#lore-and-universe

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frigid oracle
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yeah but for the "aged" elites

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not many were happy

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depends on point of view

fast falcon
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Sangheili and Unggoy I think

terse lava
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The Unggoy or Kig-Yar perhaps. We have seen humans and Kig-Yar work together for mutal trade and gain

frigid oracle
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grunts are probably most peaceful

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jackals mainly fight for pay

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elites many want to kill them, some don't

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brutes in banished work with humans

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more like troops tho

drowsy karma
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Unggoy seem pretty personable when not being commanded to kill humans.

frigid oracle
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yeah

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they were forced into war anyways

drowsy karma
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Kig-Yar seem okay other than pirates

frigid oracle
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mostly*

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not all

drowsy karma
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T'Vaoans seem like the least scummy of the race

terse lava
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Thus why it worked well in a trade they had with some humans in Cole Protocol

frigid oracle
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yeah

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pious inquisitor or whatever

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the ship they stole

terse lava
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Not what I was referring too

frigid oracle
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h

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ah

drowsy karma
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For the opppsite end of the spectrum, there's the pirate crew in Hunt the Truth S2 E4. Extra-nasty

frigid oracle
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lots of pirate crews exist tbh

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for jackals

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space pirates

terse lava
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Talking about Cole Protocol, where a human asteroid settlement was found by Kig-Yar. The two groups ended up trading, though this was a secret plan by the leader of the Kig-Yar and Truth to find Earth. The underlings though, were actually somewhat disappointed when ordered to turn against the humans

frigid oracle
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ohh yeah

drowsy karma
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It's rather sad that there are enough among them who want a better society to work toward common goals, but they keep being ignored

drowsy karma
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I doubt it.

frigid oracle
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nah

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but some for sure

drowsy karma
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I wonder if it's possible to create a lore-accurate Kig-Yar that is actually nice-looking? An artistic challenge for the ages🤔
Probably lean heavily into T'vaoan features with some Ruutian build. Go for "space raptor"; maximum plumage.

untold wasp
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what helmet does the tutorial spartan have, i forgot her name

drowsy karma
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Hold on

frigid oracle
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agryna?

untold wasp
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ye

valid hemlock
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huragok

drowsy karma
valid hemlock
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damn

drowsy karma
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That's just cheating

valid hemlock
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unggoy or jackals probably

untold wasp
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nah not jackals

drowsy karma
valid hemlock
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well yeah, jackals not really

drowsy karma
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I could see them easily tolerating humans

valid hemlock
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unggoy then

drowsy karma
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We never see what alien civilians are like, AFAIK

valid hemlock
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i mean, one of the first grunts that made contact with humans wanted to convert humans into the great journey rather than them being killed by brutes

untold wasp
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also wasn't there a newspaper that said grunt adopts baby in i think halo 3

terse lava
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@drowsy karma there have been a few portrayals of Covenant civilians in the books

drowsy karma
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Let me rephrase that. How much do their lives suck?

untold wasp
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unggoy, most

terse lava
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@drowsy karma Varies really, some have average lives, others cruddy. Dabab, the Unggoy Deacon from Contact Harvest had a good life in a seminary with others. Another Unggoy in that book, Flim, had a hard life from hard menial duty and was very unkind. Meanwhile in 852 BC, Sangheili working in a mining system were quite miserable under the new Covenant.

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So no, not all their lives suck

drowsy karma
astral mason
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Were there Spartan-1s

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ping me if you can answer

sullen grotto
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yes

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but

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they arent really spartans

boreal current
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Johnson was one of them

sullen grotto
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^

astral mason
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Really?

gilded mason
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Yes

astral mason
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What about their armor

sullen grotto
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they're called orions or somethin

boreal current
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Yep. The actually name of the Program was ORION Project. It was more of a proof of concept than anything else

gilded mason
astral mason
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Oh

boreal current
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The Spartan 4s are basically a mix of the best traits of the previous 3 projects

astral mason
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So that’s why johnson and chief were so close in the trilogy

gilded mason
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No, it's not

astral mason
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why then

gilded mason
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They simply worked closely with each other by chance, and that made them friends

astral mason
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I see

drowsy karma
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Because Johnson is likeable?

low whale
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yeah johnson is just cool

astral mason
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I’m playing through the bungie trilogy for the first time and im on the second halo. was thel vadam on reach during its fall or did he follow the pillar of autumn when it exited the stmosphere

gilded mason
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Latter

astral mason
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and I agree johnson is very cool

low whale
fast falcon
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The Orion program was most just a hugely intense training regime, with a few genetic enhancements which offered limited success

boreal current
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Fun fact the children of spartans 1s also inherited some traits from their parents and some of them were planning to form a group to begin a guerilla campaign against the covenant

astral mason
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Hm

gilded mason
fast falcon
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The only connection it has to the Spartan program is Halsey choosing to honour it by calling her program Spartan-IIs

sullen grotto
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also it was yesterday that i found out that when sam died he was literally 14

drowsy karma
astral mason
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Oh ok

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How does noble six’s continuity work if you can customize him

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The canon would be weird

drowsy karma
fast falcon
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Canonically they use the starter armour tho I believe, or that’s most reflected in media

astral mason
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Oh

gilded mason
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Yup, basically

low whale
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and they do die

fast falcon
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Customizing Six is really only reflective of your single playthrough

low whale
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so they're just kinda a callsign who achieved a goal

astral mason
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So he uses the mk v armor with black coating in the official canon

drowsy karma
low whale
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I think she's off farming on reach

fast falcon
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Cave farming

astral mason
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Bruh how, the covenant took over reach and he/she had no way offworld

boreal current
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Imagine he/she shows up in Infinite

Jun: How are you alive!?
Six: I have no idea!!

astral mason
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imagine if the remaining members of noble reunited

drowsy karma
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So...Jun?

low whale
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so jun?

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all the rest died lmao

boreal current
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Maybe Jorge got lucky

drowsy karma
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Yeah...really sucks about Jorge.

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He was the most heroic

astral mason
drowsy karma
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Almost....knightly?

astral mason
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Imagine if Jorge met Chief

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😳

low whale
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well they know each other from childhood

astral mason
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THEY DO?!

fast falcon
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Yeah Jorge was actually a Spartan II and grew up with Chief

boreal current
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I mean literally all the 2s are on a first name basis

fast falcon
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They’ve known each other since they were like 7

astral mason
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Thats awesome

low whale
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I think he gets name dropped in newer editions of fall of reach

astral mason
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that is so f-ing cool

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Do we have any data on the older arbiters before halo wars

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Before Thel

low whale
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there's one in Halo: Legends

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the anime anthology

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but idk how canon they are

astral mason
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Sounds canon if it’s anthology

boreal current
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Theres a few terminals on them from the halo 2 remake. Other than that the one who 'disgraced' the positions got an entry in Halo Legends

low whale
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at least 1 of them is definitely Not canon though

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so I assume the whole series isn't

astral mason
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yeah i did the terminal but I wanna know about the others

boreal current
drowsy karma
low whale
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yeah

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which very isn't

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at all

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please

drowsy karma
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Which though hilarious, wouldn't work

astral mason
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Does he open plot holes

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And ruin continuity

boreal current
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And it would mean Halsey aged poorly in 7 years

low whale
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haha yeah anime girl halsey

astral mason
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Sounds like a fever dream

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I’d want her to make my armor

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Young Halsey seems like an interesting topic to explore in the tv series

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flashbacks during the beginning of every episode, mandalorian style

boreal current
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Here's the thing she shows up in two legends episodes and she looks older in the scene that took place during the 2s training

astral mason
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Oh ok

unique rune
# low whale but idk how canon they are

The only short in Legends that is entirely non-canon is Odd One Out. The rest all depict canonical events and characters but there's some flexibility in stuff like the visuals due to artistic license.

gilded mason
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^

unique rune
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Though Haka's goofy space lizard samurai armor is... arguably established canon after it briefly cameo'd in the H2A terminals...

boreal current
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I wonder what ever happened to the other Thel

astral mason
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You mean the other arbiter

gilded mason
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No

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Thel 'Lodamee

astral mason
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Thel Va’Dam is the Arbiter from halo 2-3

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OHHH

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ok

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My bad

boreal current
low whale
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I guess he just got disposed of

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instead of offered arbiter

gilded mason
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I doubt it

boreal current
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The guy killed a spartan. He should have been given a medal or a promotion

gilded mason
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A 343 dev once said the fleetmaster was punished more than Thel was, and that guy is still alive

boreal current
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Yeah he's apparently the leader of his own faction. I wonder will we ever encounter him

astral mason
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Halo 2-3 Arbiter is probably the best character development aside from Miranda Keyes

fast falcon
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I hope we see Rtas again in a game. Haven’t seen him properly since Halo 3

gilded mason
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Indeed

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They could use Chak's VA for him

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It's fairly similar

astral mason
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Chak’Lok?

gilded mason
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Yeah

boreal current
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I hope the prophets make a return including the one who sided with the Elites. The prelates would be cool to see

astral mason
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“Welcome to my tower, Master Chief.”

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“It is where you will be broken”

gilded mason
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That is his line, yes.

astral mason
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my favorite boss

fast falcon
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This is really a small criticism but the main games haven’t had as many ship commander as the old games

astral mason
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Yeah I want another captain like keyes

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or lasky

fast falcon
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Like in the first trilogy we got Hood, Thel, Rtas, two Keyes

astral mason
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yea

fast falcon
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Ever since H4 all we’ve gotten for competent captains are Lasky

drowsy karma
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All I'm saying about "Odd One Out" is they missed out on a grand opportunity not to have Microsoft Sam do his voice

astral mason
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What do you think Microsoft is gonna do so the halo when Steve Downes retires

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I hope they try to kill Chief off for an ending to the halo universe

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Not any time soon tho

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In like 10 years

drowsy karma
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He doesn't have enough dialogue for it to be too vital to have the same VA

fast falcon
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Yeah they’d most likely replace him, as sad as the thought is

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I don’t see them ever killing off Chief tho

drowsy karma
gilded mason
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Or just retire

astral mason
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I firmly believe that if Chief were to ever get killed off, it will be the most important event in gaming history

boreal current
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Precursor: Tell me... have you nothing to say to your creator... before you strike him down?
Master Chief: ....No.

astral mason
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IMAGINE A GAME WITH CHIEF TRYING TO RETIRE

tacit charm
low whale
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he's in his 50s

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let him rest

astral mason
drowsy karma
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We finally get to see his face, and it's so scarred from battle and surgery, and altered by the Librarian's mysterious augmentation from 4 that we wish we didn't get to see it

astral mason
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Imagine a game similar to reach with the Spartans struggling to fight the banished/ covenant after chiefs death

boreal current
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He could always fake his death

astral mason
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amazing game idea

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Halo: Aftermath
A ragtag group of Spartan IIs struggle with the passing of the legendary master chief while trying to stop the banished from taking over Earth

tacit charm
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kind of

astral mason
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No but chiefs death would demotivate them

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contributing to the demise of earth

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And throwing the human species into a dark age

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i think it’s an interesting premise

tacit charm
low whale
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it didn't last time they thought he was dead

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they did great

gilded mason
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I...think John's own words would be useful here to ground things... (He's referring to himself)

“There’s a difference between being the best and the best-known,” John said.

fast falcon
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The Spartan IIs have come to terms with the fact they’re expendable too

low whale
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built Infinity and everything

astral mason
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Jorge meant a lot but this would be in like 2590-2600

fast falcon
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Like mentally they were made to be war machine and won’t even break at the loss of their own family

astral mason
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I can imagine the intro cutscene being chief’s death from the perspective of one of the Spartans in the main cast

fast falcon
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Hell they’ve already lost like 80% of existing Spartan IIs

astral mason
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yeah they would be called Theta Team

boreal current
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I forgot does the public know about the giant rings of death?

drowsy karma
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Another story like ODST would be cool too. Give the normies some screentime.

astral mason
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Exactly

fast falcon
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ODST I loved the story but it just feels weird to me, being a normal human that’s as strong as a Spartan

astral mason
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IT COULD SWITCH BETWEEN A NEW ODST SQUAD AND A VETERAN FIRETEAM

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No but my premise would be as follows

boreal current
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What about going on various ODST missions during the war with the game ending with the mc getting a visit from Jun?

astral mason
drowsy karma
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Or not even ODST. Just regular Marines

astral mason
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Yeah

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But how would they design that

drowsy karma
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It'd be like playing Swat and you'd die a lot

astral mason
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Good idea

fast falcon
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Tbh the ODSTs already don’t make sense from a gameplay perspective

astral mason
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Yeah marines would fit better

boreal current
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We could also have missions against the innies who were stupid enough to continue their campaigns during the war

astral mason
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and a scene towards the end would show a broken leader of the fire team start crying in his barracks after listening to a recording of the chief

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The halo theme starts playing and he looks out into the sunset, knowing his team is one of the only things that stand in the banished’s way

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cut to black and the mission begins

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343 hire me for story group

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Does anyone like my idea

fast falcon
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Tbh the UNSC already has the Spartan IV program which id say is more effective in the long run than the Spartan IIs, so humanity would be fine with Chief gone

astral mason
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Well he’s the only spartan listed as ultra-lethal

drowsy karma
fast falcon
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Pretty sure it was retconned that all Spartans are hyper lethal now

astral mason
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So what? Lower the melee damage multiplier and give them less max health

fast falcon
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Even then, Noble six was listed as such as well

astral mason
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Yeah and he’s noble six

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KIA

drowsy karma
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A lone Marine doesn't get to run around playing hero.

fast falcon
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Gameplay as a marine would be kinda boring for a long time

astral mason
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no

boreal current
astral mason
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but he has teammates

drowsy karma
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You'd need something more like Battlefield or SW Battlefront

tacit charm
astral mason
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Give the marines advanced AI or do Co-op and you got a fireteam

tacit charm
fast falcon
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Yeah playing as a marine I think would be neat for like a short time as an intro to the game, before the real player character steps in who’s a Spartan

astral mason
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Exactly

fast falcon
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But a whole game as a marine would be so unlike normal Halos games to feel practical to me

astral mason
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Or the game could have co-op and someone plays as a spartan while the rest play as marines

astral mason
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less

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less than a third

drowsy karma
astral mason
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For the intro then your Spartans jump in and save you

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Then you switch to their perspective

fast falcon
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I only think like the intro, just to have that perspective of a normal person under assault from the Covenant or Banished and how outclassed they normally are

astral mason
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Your UI changes

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No but hear me out

boreal current
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Didnt one marine do very well against the flood until he was killed?

drowsy karma
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Having different spawn timers for units of differing strength would allow you to play as multiple factions

fast falcon
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Now that’s starting to feel overly convoluted for a Halo game

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Would be more workable as like a side mode, a firefight type thing

tacit charm
fast falcon
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Playing as a marine or grunt is free, you earn points to unlock stronger units and weapons to spawn back with or something

astral mason
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You play as a marine, you push through a UNSC camp saving survivors when a chieftain attacks and kills your entire fireteam, titanfall 2 style. But then before he crushes you with his gravity hammer the main characters (your playable characters) hop in and save you, cut to black and your visor lights up and you start playing as your spartan

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BOOM

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Intro done

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Anyone like it?

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Rip chat 😢

terse lava
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Not sure on the idea myself

astral mason
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but it would be a solid and ambitious story to try what reach managed to succeed at

drowsy karma
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UNSC vs Banished vs Covenant Remnant vs Forerunner constructs

astral mason
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and that would only be For the intro

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no forerunners

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UNSC and Swords Of Sanghelios vs Banished/Covenant

fast falcon
astral mason
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well what if the Covenant get control again

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New prophets

fast falcon
terse lava
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Not impossible, no

valid hemlock
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It kinda is tho

terse lava
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There are plenty of remnants, including those who went to the ark

boreal current
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The prophets are holed up in some shield world last we heard

fast falcon
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But a full on Covenant revival wouldnt happen, at best it would be another group of remnants like M’dama’s group

terse lava
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But an actual revical of the Covenant proper, yeah, impossible

fast falcon
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Which I’m not opposed to, but they’d never be as big a galactic player as the OG covenant

boreal current
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Yeah the prophets kinda burnt that brigde

astral mason
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ok but let’s just settle on the idea that chief’s death killed millions emotionally, and because of that the overwhelming threat of the banished are outnumbering them reach style

boreal current
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Prelates would be interesting to see in game though

fast falcon
astral mason
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I mean REALLY died

fast falcon
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Like Chief’s death wouldn’t hit them as hard as you think it would, not enough to shake the foundations of the UNSC

astral mason
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We’ll change the setting to reach and we got a sequel to halo reach

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But try and imagine chief dying to atriox

fast falcon
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It would be a huge moral blow, but it would take a lot of stuff happening to humanity to push them back to the level of desperation they were at in Reach

terse lava
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I thinkimissed some context here

astral mason
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Scroll up, ado

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Read my pitch

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then tell me what you think

fast falcon
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Also it would at best be a spiritual successor to Reach unfortunately, there’s no actual plot to follow up from the first game

terse lava
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Ah ok

valid hemlock
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As far as i understand the whole premise is just halo reach: 2

boreal current
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What about an odst game where the drop pods are an actual feature?

astral mason
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and you’d play as a fireteam much like noble

fast falcon
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Yeah that feels very forced as far as plot goes

astral mason
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ok but hear me out

fast falcon
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I especially don’t like the idea of the Banished so easily becoming such a threat like that

terse lava
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Yeah, overall the Banished aren't crazy powerful, like the Covenant were

fast falcon
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I mean I really like the group as a major threat and a galactic player, just not as like a new Covenant

astral mason
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Ok then tell me what direction you’d take the plot from here

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keep the framework

fast falcon
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The issue is the framework feels a little convoluted to reach the point you want for the tone and setting of the story

astral mason
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desperate Spartans struggling after the death of master chief in 2598

boreal current
fast falcon
astral mason
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well it would be a sort of final stand game

terse lava
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@astral mason you can just have a team of Spartans holding out on some random colony world, if you want that doom and gloom from Reach

astral mason
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Doesn’t sound as connected

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I want this to be a successor and finale to the halo series

fast falcon
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Really don’t try and make it so far in the future and rely so heavily on being connected to the Chief emotionally

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That’s what makes it a little harder to sell for me

terse lava
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Your plot was Spartans doing a last stand like reach

astral mason
terse lava
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Yeah, chief going poof wouldn't do much to overall structure to the UNSC or spartan 4s

fast falcon
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^

unique rune
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I already dislike the forceful return to the "fighting for the survival of humanity" status quo that Infinite's campaign established and none of this sounds any better.

terse lava
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Recall John was also born in 2511

astral mason
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But he’s the master chief.

terse lava
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So?

fast falcon
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He’s still just a man

astral mason
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His file lists him as ultra-lethal

gilded mason
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Again:

“There’s a difference between being the best and the best-known,” John said.

unique rune
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"Hyper-lethal" is just useless marketing bunk

gilded mason
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^

terse lava
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"Ultra-leathal" is just a fun little word used to hype up noble 6

unique rune
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I don't get why people buy into it so much

fast falcon
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John is actually considered above average but not the best in any aspect

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Except for luck

astral mason
terse lava
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@unique rune because many grew up with Reach and their N6 spartan

fast falcon
astral mason
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Ok how about we go with ado’s idea

gilded mason
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I can't wait until John dies/retires just so stuff like this stops lmao.

astral mason
fast falcon
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Kelly is the fastest, Linda is the best sniper, Kurt is the best commander

terse lava
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You can't really build a plot around a firefight style game

astral mason
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Ok hang on

terse lava
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Its why zombies are a side thing in COD

astral mason
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WIAT WAIT WAIT

unique rune
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I hate Bungie so much for that line about hyper lethal vector nonsense. Still can't believe it's become so embedded in the community despite it originally being present in one single trailer thing. Ugh.

astral mason
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What if the game centered around blue team mourning john’s death

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It would be a good redemption for them in gaming

gilded mason
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No

fast falcon
gilded mason
terse lava
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@astral mason that doesn't make much sense

fast falcon
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Also Blue Team doesn’t need a redemption

astral mason
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Halo 5 happened

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and you know how people reacted to that game

fast falcon
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I dislike the idea of people thinking a character needs to redeem themself in some major way simply because they were the focus of some bad writing

gilded mason
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John needs to stop being deified by the fanbase.

fast falcon
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By that logic John needs to redeem himself too because of any disliked aspect of past games

tacit charm
astral mason
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I’m not saying that’s the whole point of blue team existing in this hypothetical game

unique rune
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Y'all remember how the Arbiter was redeemed for screwing up Halo 2 by being barely present in 3 /s

drowsy karma
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I like how 4 starts to acknowledge that Halsey was never really a "hero" but a political opportunist. I dislike how nothing comes of it.

fast falcon
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No but phrasing it as redemption is weird because they don’t need redeeming, as they never did anything wrong

astral mason
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True

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But they need true adaptations from the comics and books

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An accurate representation of blue team post-infinite would give a sense of mystery and a mood echoing reach

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Maybe even a spin-off to tell us what they were doing during infinite

terse lava
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Here's an idea, a plot that revolves around Thel and the SoS, dealing with the Created, and perhaps groups of Banished. Alongside them would be a few spartan 4s to help out and we can see how the galaxy aware is going

astral mason
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post-shadows of reach

unique rune
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a mood echoing reach
Blegh, yeah, nah, no thanks.

astral mason
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Do you have to ruin it

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at least tell me you don’t agree with my idea

fast falcon
unique rune
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I mean I feel like that pretty clearly communicates I don't agree with it

drowsy karma
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Hmmm....what about a game going in a direction that hasn't been tried yet in the series, but has great potential? Survival horror-y war story where you play as a squishy little normal human during a Covenant invasion?

terse lava
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@fast falcon thats what I am shooting for, and it gives Sangheili fans a boon with a focus on the SoS for once, and spartan fans still get a bone via the S4s working with the SoS

astral mason
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it’s rude

boreal current
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What about a game set during the age of the forerunners?

astral mason
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I’m so tired of constructs

terse lava
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That would be tricky with how powerful they, ancient humans, and the flood were

fast falcon
astral mason
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it would be cooler if we got dlc for infinite about that

valid hemlock
tacit charm
fast falcon
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Like I get why Infinite wanted to avoid a lot of things in their new game, but it feels like I’ve just missed so much going from H5 to Infinite lmao

drowsy karma
astral mason
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No crap

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It’s gonna have like 2 games worth of story and world building

terse lava
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Yep careful there Samurai, this place is pretty bad word sensitive

astral mason
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Yeah I know

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it’s dumb

drowsy karma
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Monitors might get zappy with their eye beams

terse lava
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It makes sense

astral mason
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but rules are rules

fast falcon
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So far I think a group of Spartans and SOS stranded on a world right after H5 with the communication blackout would be awesome

astral mason
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That would be cool

fast falcon
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Make the tone a bit heavier as it’s not some grand war story, but the small group working to survive and it’s just them and what they can collect

astral mason
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A third person halo horror game

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House of Ashes style

terse lava
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Why 3rd person

astral mason
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cuz it would be cool at certain cinematic times

fast falcon
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Have it set at some Forerunner ruins too, not a full installation but a place that can give some proper ominous feeling as the group tries to survive

astral mason
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yeah the cutscenes could be in third person

fast falcon
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And yeah this idea is mostly just for an FPS like the main games, just following a shell character like Six or Rookie

astral mason
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and it could be a decision based game

astral mason
terse lava
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@astral mason so you are after a Telltale style game?

fast falcon
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He wasn’t as bad as them because he became a staple character and lead of the trilogy

astral mason
fast falcon
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But yeah gameplay wise I think this idea works best just keeping it as close to the base games as possible, with the focus being on having a different tone and vibe in the main story

astral mason
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decisions during cutscenes and classic halo gameplay with jumpscares

terse lava
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@astral mason I am not sure that style of gameplay really would fit with halo, which is more focused on action

astral mason
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yeah but very few times

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Its really experimental

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but it could work

drowsy karma
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Nah, something absolutely brutal and horrifying.

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Like ODST but nightmarish

astral mason
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like flood imploding a human

boreal current
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I wonder how Cutter will react to finding out what his son has done

astral mason
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Spilling guts all over the floor

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Rated M For Mature

drowsy karma
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Brutes cooking and eating humans/pets/etc

astral mason
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Eh I like the idea of active flood infections though

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And at one point a decision you make in the game could determine if one of your fireteam members gets infected

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There would be multiple endings too

sullen grotto
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i want not a reach esque? idk how to spell it but dlc where you play as a Spartan on the ring before chief is found, basically reach level of inevitable death but with odst stealth and feeling of weakness

astral mason
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nah

fast falcon
astral mason
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Yeah you’re right

terse lava
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Primordial: "The cycle has repeated itself more times than you can fath..wait a minute"

astral mason
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Lmao let’s change the topic

fast falcon
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Side note, I def think had he not been abducted as a child, John could grow up to be a lot like John Shepard

astral mason
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How strong is a regular spartan-IV

terse lava
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Or dead via thr Covenant

fast falcon
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That too

sullen grotto
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idrk how to describe it but thats it 😭

fast falcon
astral mason
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Can they crush a human skull

fast falcon
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Yes

sullen grotto
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probably

astral mason
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With their thighs

fast falcon
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Easily

boreal current
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Can Leeroy jenkins a small army of covenant

sullen grotto
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since they can flip warthogs and tanks

astral mason
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Bro what

boreal current
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Honestly I hope the other species start producing counters to the Spartans

sullen grotto
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we saw that

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👁️

astral mason
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😔I know

sullen grotto
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L

astral mason
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so could there be like super-elites

drowsy karma
sullen grotto
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oh god

astral mason
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Zealots already seem like the counter

fast falcon
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The other species would need time to develop proper counterparts to the Spartans tho

astral mason
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look at how efficient they were in reach and infinite

drowsy karma
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Isn't Chief about as tough as an Elite Minor in CE?

fast falcon
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Seeing as it was legit forerunner involvement that allowed humans to make them

boreal current
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I mean they could also start producing their own powered armors. At the moment only the particularly talented/skilled members of each species can hope to match a spartan

fast falcon
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Oh they already have powered armours I think

astral mason
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Is Palmer even efficient in combat

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Or is she just a strong female plot character

fast falcon
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Also yeah she’s pretty damn effective… wow

unique rune
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Even Unggoy are no joke physically.

fast falcon
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I was actually gonna answer that seriously before you dropped that part lol

sullen grotto
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palmer could've been so cool

boreal current
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Yeah there was one Unggoy who beat a spartan in a fight. Got made a ranger because of it

sullen grotto
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and locke

astral mason
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She was wasted as well as locke

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they needed spin-offs

sullen grotto
fast falcon
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Palmer actually has great interactions with Lasky that make me like her in Spartan Ops

astral mason
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not places in a main game

fast falcon
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Plus she’s got a great VA

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I can’t hate Jennifer Hale

boreal current
sullen grotto
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honestly the one time she said that one thing to chief i thought it was just her trying to connect to basically a human legend but in a human way

sullen grotto
astral mason
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“You’re shorter than I expected” she could have gotten killed on the spot but chief is luckily a cool guy around his fellow Spartans

unique rune
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she could have gotten killed on the spot
...Why would she have gotten killed for a joke.

boreal current
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The grunt I'm talking about is very respected by his elite colleagues and he is one of Rtas lieutenants. They question adding a female elite to the crew more than they did his presence

astral mason
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But he didn’t

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do you have to question everything I say

fast falcon
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I mean, that could be said for a lot of people

astral mason
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I’m a fan like you

unique rune
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Yes, because it'd be out of character for any sensible person to kill someone over a joke.

fast falcon
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When it’s something odd like that, it’s worth questioning

astral mason
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I said it’s possible

fast falcon
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But nowhere near probable

unique rune
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Possible, maybe. Reasonable, absolutely not.

astral mason
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That’s what I’m saying

fast falcon
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This is the deification that was talked about earlier of the Chief

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Palmer is a Spartan IV, enough to be considered good enough to lead those aboard the Infinity

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Only way she’d actually get killed on the spot is if chief exploited the fact she wasn’t wearing a helmet, in a fair fight she’d likely give him a good fight

boreal current
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Also she was a member of the first class.

astral mason
unique rune
fast falcon
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Yeah definitely lol

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I actually think the fight we saw in H5 was pretty reasonable between Chief not wanting to badly hurt Locke and Locke likely studying the Chiefs training and combat styles

terse lava
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Yeah, let's not forget both John and Fred both almost died to Jiralhanae choking them to death. John almost died multiple times to Sangheili. The SII are hardly immortal

astral mason
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They’re the closest Spartans to perfection

terse lava
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And not that great all things considered, just the best current humanity can do

fast falcon
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A perfect Spartan is still a pretty damn broken individual

astral mason
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Mentally

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Socially

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but not in battle

terse lava
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Depends on the battle

fast falcon
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The invasion of reach begs to differ

boreal current
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I think people tend to forget that for the most part Spartan IVs are selected from the cream of the crop

astral mason
terse lava
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Yeah, even the default S4s are met to be the most well trained you can get

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For the most part anyway

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There have been exceptions

unique rune
#

I will say 343's made some... really bizarre choices with the named S-IVs we've gotten.

To this day I still have to wonder why anyone thought making Madsen's entry into the program a result of nepotism was a good idea. Really doesn't shine a great light on your brand new Spartan program, even if you do try to cover it up with saying it's merit-based or whatever.

boreal current
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Still confused about how Vale became a spartan

fast falcon
fast falcon
prime aspen
unique rune
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Ehh, I think her assignment to Osiris makes enough sense. They'd be visiting a number of different worlds and working with Thel's Swords of Sanghelios, her background in xenoanthropology and specializing in Sangheili culture would've been reasonable enough to have her on the team.

boreal current
# fast falcon Let alone got onto Osiris

Lets look at the team roster
Locke: One of the best ONI agents around
Buck: One of the best odsts around
Tanaka: Survived on a glassed world
Vale: A diplomat with glowing recommendations from a IV and one of the arbiters Lieutenants

fast falcon
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Yeah that’s fair

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Would’ve been nice if the game admitted to the fact she was sort of a new guy/tag along to Osiris almost

humble yacht
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The unsc isn’t without corruption and nepotism is a major issue in the real world

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It doesn’t make the unsc look good but maybe that was the point

humble yacht
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She got into the spartan program by scoring high marks in the tests

unique rune
humble yacht
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i don't even remember where it was said madsen was a legacy hire

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so probably wasn't all that impactful to first impressions for most people

unique rune
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It was from the H4 visual guide.

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One of the weird little bits from that book that's always stuck with me for reasons beyond my understanding.

humble yacht
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besides most people seem to have such a low opinion of SIVs simply because they're not child soldiers that it wouldn't make a difference if Madsen wasn't enrolled due to nepotism

unique rune
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Yeah, that's fair.

bitter valve
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Hey , does anyone know what the little imps are? My older brother told me they were drafted into the war and just kids

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I just wanna know the story behind them, they have funny af dialogue 🤣

unique rune
#

You mean Grunts...?

valid hemlock
#

i think so

bitter valve
drowsy karma
bitter valve
humble yacht
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https://www.halopedia.org/Unggoy

Halopedia
Unggoy

Unggoy (Latin, Monachus frigus, meaning "cold monk"), also known as Grunts by many individuals, are a sapient species of squat bipedal xeno-arthropodal vertebroid lifeforms from the planet Balaho. In 2142, the Unggoy became the fourth species to be assimilated into the Covenant. During their tenure in the hegemony, Unggoy were always the lowest-...

drowsy karma
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I would play through MCC fist

bitter valve
bitter valve
valid hemlock
drowsy karma
#

In the following order:
Halo Reach
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3: ODST
Halo 3
Halo 4

humble yacht
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don't play in that order

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release order is better

gilded mason
#

^

drowsy karma
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Or that

valid hemlock
drowsy karma
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Yeah, the mechanics might feel a bit weird if you follow the timeline

humble yacht
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there is also context and easter eggs that get lost in chronological order

valid hemlock
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also, who plays odst before 3?

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do these individuals exist?

fast falcon
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I think I may have done that but can’t remember lol

wise bone
fast falcon
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I got into the series with Reach and I think I played Wars and ODST before I played the original trilogy

wise bone
terse lava
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Still fond of the original, release order

fast falcon
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I wish I had played the games in release order tho

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Release order is good for a first playthrough, but chronological is fun to do when you’re not going in blind

astral mason
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I like reach way too much

split heron
drowsy karma
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It's not part of the MCC

unique rune
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haha Halo 5 bad guys amirite

drowsy karma
#

Being expected to read/watch/listen to supplemental material to know what's going on in a game-centered franchise is bad.

unique rune
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I mean, sure, but Halo 5 doesn't do that anymore than any other Halo game.

astral mason
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I’m In the middle of halo 2 and I need some context as to where Miranda was during CE

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Anyone up for an assist?

unique rune
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The whole idea that 4 or 5 "need" ancillary media to be understood bugs me because it always feels like something people who've never actually even read the novels or whatever accuse them of, and it just comes off as a disingenuous way to say "grr I didn't like this thing".

astral mason
#

Nova?

drowsy karma
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No other game had me wondering "What the hell is going on? Who are these people?" like 5 did.

astral mason
unique rune
#

I'm not actually sure where Miranda would've been during the events of CE. I'd have to check Halopedia because I'm not even sure if it's ever been brought up.

gilded mason
drowsy karma
#

I really like 5's multiplayer, especially Fiesta

gilded mason
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Nothing really of note

unique rune
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Yeah, by the looks of it it's never been mentioned.

astral mason
#

Which ship?

gilded mason
#

...In Amber Clad?

astral mason
#

Oh right

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my bad

unique rune
#

What the hell is going on? Who are these people?
I mean, the campaign is pretty blunt about the plot and characters.

astral mason
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You’ve been typing for a whole cycle 😴

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The campaign expects you to have read the books and played all the games

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A good phrase for 5 would be “advanced halo”

unique rune
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It really doesn't, though. Not anymore than any of the Bungie-era titles, even, and all of those apparently get free passes for it.

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CE never even explains to you who the Covenant is and why they're so insistent on killing humanity.

fast falcon
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If you want you can learn more about the characters in H5 through supplementary material, but it’s not needed

astral mason
#

I liked it

fast falcon
#

A lot of characters in the main trilogy were like that, especially John

unique rune
#

Johnson surviving into 2 gets a free pass even though literally all the explanation you get is "lmao is classified"

drowsy karma
unique rune
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I mean, we know what happened thanks to the novel First Strike.

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But the games never tell you that.

fast falcon
unique rune
#

Pretty much. Wasn't even until Halo 4 that the backstory behind the Spartan-II program truly ever bled into the games.

fast falcon
#

Yeah exactly

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There’s a lot of lore to explain how Chief is so powerful that’s never touched on

humble yacht
#

The action carries the original trilogy and largely masks the narrative shortcomings

drowsy karma
humble yacht
#

Spartans aren’t sociopaths

drowsy karma
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Lack of the latter is why Jorge did NOT survive

humble yacht
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John isn’t a sociopath and he survived

fast falcon
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They can exhibit sociopathic tendencies, but Spartans are mostly just intensely driven and forced into a mindset that drives them to accomplish their objective

humble yacht
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They more exhibit antisocial tendencies

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Sociopathy is primarily characterized by a lack of empathy. For all their psychological issues, most of the Spartans we’ve seen are capable of empathizing with others, even their enemies

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If anything, their ability to know how their enemies feel helps them predict their responses better and make them more effective at killing

fast falcon
#

Best example of a sociopath I can think of in Halo is Truth

humble yacht
#

Maybe

drowsy karma
#

Jorge definitely stands out in terms of empathy. John is difficult to gauge, as he is quiet and we never see his face as an adult.

humble yacht
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Sociopath and psychopath are thrown around a lot mistakenly

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John expressed empathy with ecsharum

drowsy karma
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John's kinda got the (original trilogy) Boba Fett thing going on. His helmet is his face, and his job is his personality

astral mason
#

You know I always wondered what John does in his free time aboard the Infinity

humble yacht
#

That’s just bungee chief

astral mason
#

Yeah sadly we got 343 chief now

humble yacht
#

He’s got actual character outside of the bungee games

astral mason
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I miss when he was mysterious personally

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It added to how badazz he is

unique rune
#

I don't, he was a boring brick of a man in 2 and 3. Even CE gave him some subtle character things, but for the rest of the trilogy he just stands around awkwardly in cutscenes and blurts out one-liners sometimes.

humble yacht
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Mystery and lack of character are two different things

gilded mason
#

^

astral mason
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Well Bungie succeeded at giving him hints of character while keeping him a shell for the player to experience the universe in, just like noble six

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*noble six had no character development

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correction

gilded mason
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It's a bad idea to keep him a shell if you want to actually make people care about him

humble yacht
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And thus wasn’t very interesting

unique rune
#

Noble Six would've needed character in the first place for any development to occur

drowsy karma
#

Six is implied to have a bit "darker" nature

astral mason
#

Yeah but he shows no emotion except for Jorge and Keyes

unique rune
#

Even B312's backstory is pretty much grade-A OC donut steel edge

gilded mason
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Yup

drowsy karma
#

Six is meant as a self-insert AFAIK

humble yacht
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Not a very good one

drowsy karma
#

True

#

Can't see myself as a Spartan🤔

astral mason
#

Well you guys are completely entitled to your own opinions but I personally think noble six and chiefs aren’t that far off in the bungie storylines. I’m glad we can discuss these iconic characters like civilized men though.

humble yacht
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The self insertion for noble six was largely carried by the customization

gilded mason
#

I can't stand seeing the word "iconic" anymore, lmao

fast falcon
#

Honestly Johns characterization in the 343 games is the highlight of the new ones for me

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It’s so well done and fitting for his character imo

drowsy karma
astral mason
#

it’s good, I can agree

humble yacht
#

Being able to sett your own personal look as well as male/female voice made it feel like your spartan, but the way noble 6 acts and the way they say things is hardly what I would do or say in those same situations

unique rune
gilded mason
humble yacht
gilded mason
#

freeze?

astral mason
#

Well we can agree that bungie took a bold step in letting you make yourself noble six

humble yacht
#

Nice ostral

astral mason
#

it might not have been a good one to some, but I was a bold one

gilded mason
#

I'm oatmeal... 😌

astral mason
#

Hi oatmeal

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I’m Sakura

humble yacht
#

I will say that infinite does a much better job digging into chief’s personality than 5 did

fast falcon
#

I think 4 has done it best so far tho

humble yacht
#

There’s a lot of 4 chief in infinite

fast falcon
#

5 was mostly just his team rebounding off of him

unique rune
#

I enjoyed how Chief was written in Infinite, even if a lot of the other stuff about the campaign bugged me.

drowsy karma
#

Chief seems to work best alone

astral mason
#

You know Chimera, you’ve earned my respect tenfold. Most mods I see or know are barely active on the server and barely talk in them but you act like everyone else, and for that I truly applaud you

fast falcon
#

Chief’s writing in Infinite is def the best thing about the game to me tho

humble yacht
#

You say that now but your tune will change once you get moderated

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Lol

gilded mason
normal parcel
astral mason
#

Well if I was ever a mod I’d do the same thing you’re doing rn

gilded mason
#

And even disliked not being in a team in the CE novel.

astral mason
#

it’s a great idea to get the community familiar with you

humble yacht
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Uh

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Not really

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Mods aren’t special

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We aren’t 343

astral mason
#

To me they are if they give off the same energy you do 🙂

unique rune
#

H5 Chief was… something. Whenever I think of his role in that game it immediately goes to that one idle dialogue convo he has with like, Kelly.

Where she asks about what working with Cortana was like and he bluntly says “no” when asked to elaborate.

humble yacht
#

Jesus

terse lava
#

Heh

astral mason
#

H5 Chief felt like a human mcguffin 💀

gilded mason
humble yacht
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^ chief when Kelly asks him to elaborate

astral mason
#

ADO!!! HEY MAN

terse lava
#

"Youve been my friend for decades, but forget it"

astral mason
#

I’ve missed you

terse lava
#

?

astral mason
#

I didn’t see you on for a while

unique rune
#

It lives with in my mind as one of the worst dialogue exchanges in any Halo game.

gilded mason
#

Yup

terse lava
#

Its been...only a couple hours

astral mason
#

I know

humble yacht
astral mason
#

But you’re the lore lord

humble yacht
#

^ Ado rn

fast falcon
astral mason
#

I mean no harm ignites energy sword

terse lava
#

@humble yacht now that will be stuck in my head, thanks a lot Chim

humble yacht
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Uh oh

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Someone pinged

terse lava
#

Hm?

gilded mason
#

lol

astral mason
#

Chimmy Chonga?

humble yacht
#

Naughty naughty

terse lava
#

Odd, I thought it was off

humble yacht
#

Lol you literally pinged

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Not even reply, just straight tagged me

astral mason
#

Wait you can ping mods? That’s annoying

terse lava
#

My bad

fast falcon
#

Yeah you can’t turn off ping when it’s a straight tag

gilded mason
#

lmfao

humble yacht
astral mason
#

You should deactivate it

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If you can

terse lava
#

Thought I had...

humble yacht
#

Then if there was an emergency we couldn’t act

astral mason
#

Oh

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Right

humble yacht
#

That’s why it’s on y’all to not ping us unless there is a need for it

astral mason
#

That’s annoying asf

humble yacht
#

Anyways

astral mason
#

You can’t deactivate it and you gotta trust people not to be annoying

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jeez

unique rune
#

Kelly: "I'm curious. I never worked with an AI before. Not like you did with Cortana at least. What's it like, her voice in your head all of the time?"
John: "It's... unique."
Kelly: "Care to elaborate?"
John: "No."
The most baffling part of this exchange to me is that the rest of Halo 5’s campaign idle dialogue is actually pretty solid. Well, between Osiris, at least.

And then there’s just… this.

humble yacht
#

You know what’s dumb

astral mason
#

The warden?

terse lava
#

Hm, hey Chim can you pull up that"how to turn off the ping alert" thing please?

astral mason
#

he’s dumb

humble yacht
#

Mark v and vi mjolnir had all this AI integration tech and only one spartan ever really did it

astral mason
#

WHAT?

#

all that tech and no one had the brains to use it

humble yacht
#

Halsey talking about how the fusion of AI and spartan would be the key to winning the war and she only had one sample

terse lava
#

Ha, never thought about that before

astral mason
#

smh

gaunt oakBOT
#

To disable the ping/tag when replying, please click or tap the "on" button at the right hand side of the chat box in order to turn it off.
For users on PC, if you hold Shift while clicking reply the tag will be automatically turned off.

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terse lava
#

And she likely could have made more.clone brains

humble yacht
#

Didn’t even necessarily have to be an Ai based off her

terse lava
#

How curious..

I dont have that "@on" on my screen

astral mason
gilded mason
fast falcon
#

I wonder how well Spartans being paired up with dumb AIs would work

astral mason
#

It seems useful but no one has the brains to do it

humble yacht
#

Even Roland would likely be useful in a spartan suit

astral mason
#

IMAGINE ROBOTIC SPARTANS

humble yacht
astral mason
#

That’s the next step

drowsy karma
#

The Human-Covenant War is the only reason Halsey is a hero and not hiding out in Space Argentina

terse lava
#

@gilded mason it just has the "@(your name) and the silly.emote option stuff

fast falcon
humble yacht
#

Every mp spartan gets a dumb ai

unique rune
#

...Come to think of it, one of the other things that always bugged me about H5's Blue Team dialogue was that Kelly, Fred, and Linda pretty much always address him as Chief.

they should be calling him John aaaaaaaa

astral mason
terse lava
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Would be a nice touch yeah

humble yacht
#

Remember to disable pings when replying, samurai

astral mason
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Right, my mistake

#

is that a one time thing

humble yacht
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Nope

#

It’s every time

astral mason
#

ugh

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Sounds tedious

fast falcon
#

Reverse engineering forerunner constructs wouldn’t work as easily as you think tho

astral mason
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Or they could just use the tech they have from the mantises and their other robots

humble yacht
#

Smart AI production already is similar to certain forerunner procedures for making digital entities

fast falcon
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Sentinels aren’t human shaped and have been shown to be very poor tactically, and prometheans while they can be human shaped, need a Compsoer to create

astral mason
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Yeah but it could work

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Just imagine… robotic Spartans!

humble yacht
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Sentinel are only tactically bad in the games

astral mason
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yeah but they’re not humanoid

fast falcon
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^

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The reasons they’re effective in the lore wouldn’t allow them to be effective for what Samurai is proposing

humble yacht
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Read Hunters In The Dark, a Monitor takes over a Spartan’s armor

drowsy karma
astral mason
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humanoids would have a better success rate in combat if programmed effectively by certified UNSC engineers with the right equipment

fast falcon
astral mason
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it is, we’ve seen how crappy the sentinels are, and the prometheans are efficient in combat

astral mason
fast falcon
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Halo Wars 2 actually has the Sentinels destroy a Covenant super carrier in a pretty awesome scene tho

terse lava
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Thats just a CAS carrier

fast falcon
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Ah wasn’t sure on the exact term

astral mason
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not banished?

fast falcon
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Banished I mean

near tide
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Hunters in the Dark has some massive sentinels

astral mason
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ok just making sure

near tide
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That attack Earth

gilded mason
fast falcon
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But I mean it would’ve been built by the Covenant

astral mason
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Yeah true

drowsy karma
astral mason
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I’m gonna go into cryosleep

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see y’all tomorrow

gilded mason
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They weren't Forerunner worshippers

fast falcon
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And they sure didn’t get zapped

astral mason
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👋

drowsy karma
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I'm out of melatonin. Nocturnal mode activated

terse lava
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Have a good night

fast falcon
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See ya Samurai and Bkaak

drowsy karma
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Bye

near tide
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@terse lava who are your favorite sangheili

terse lava
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As in character?

near tide
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Yes

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Or just in general

terse lava
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Tough call

unique rune
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One of these days I'm going to have to re-read Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent.

terse lava
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Those are excellent books

near tide
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Ye

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The old Sangheili stuff from Broken Circle like burn blades is fun

drowsy karma
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Kinda wish Bungie had stuck with their original design for Skirmishers, but I understand why they didn't

terse lava
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It is a nice transition into eventual energy Swords, and now we know what they look like too

near tide
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Skirmishers aren’t scary anymore

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They don’t fit the shock troop role as much as they did in reach

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Their shields are smaller now

drowsy karma
near tide
gilded mason
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Or did you mean to say 343.

drowsy karma
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I meant the concept art for Reach. Can't share images here, apparently

gilded mason
drowsy karma
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Yes! Is birb ^v^.....ish

drowsy karma
gilded mason
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Nope

near tide
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Probably 343 adding more simplicity

gilded mason
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Skirmisher was explained to be just a role, not a subspecies signifier

near tide
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I kinda want a mod that gives the banished species their real names

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Aside from kig yar calling themselves kig yar in voice lines

terse lava
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@gilded mason could argue it was just more common among the T'voan

gilded mason
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That is correct

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That's literally what was said about them lol

drowsy karma
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Blend the features of the concept and final designs and you'd have something almost elegant. I think I've found my answer to "How to make non-ugly Kig-Yar without toonifying them?"

near tide
gilded mason
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No

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T'vaoans still exist

near tide
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Oh

gilded mason
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"Skirmisher" simply isn't a nickname for the entire subspecies anymore

near tide
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They’re mixed in in the roles

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So some of the infinite skirmishers could be tvoans

gilded mason
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We were going to have a T'vaoan target before it got cut

drowsy karma
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343 seems to have dispensed with the idea that Kig-Yar females lack head plumage

gilded mason
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Pretty sure they said that the plumage for Skirmishers in Infinite is part of a headdress

terse lava
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I was thinking the "plummage" in this case, could be part of the helmet

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Dang it Ostral

gilded mason
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lol

drowsy karma
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I think it's time to make an OC🤔

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There's no hope for Ibie'shans. They'll always be uggos😆

gilded mason
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They're already cute

terse lava
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Ehhh

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no

gilded mason
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Yes

near tide
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What are ibie shans again?

drowsy karma
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Bumpkins with underbites

gilded mason
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Those cuties. 😌

drowsy karma
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The "cutest" possible Kig-Yar would be a scrawny T'Vaoan with the birdiest features available to the species

limpid valve
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So does master chiefs suit jerk him off

gilded mason
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No.

limpid valve
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Finally

viscid oxide
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Yes actually

terse lava
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No, it doesn't

empty wing
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actually yeah

dawn knot
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No

limpid valve
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Damm

bronze schooner
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It kinda does

obsidian thistle
quick slate
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how do spartans take a toilet trip in their suits?

low whale
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it sorts it all for them

glacial oracle
drowsy karma
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Stillsuit, LOL

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Must....sleep....

wise bone
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I saw a youtube video talking about jackles and there species. Basically said that the skirmishers in infinite are not the same from halo reach, (he wrote the latin names too, can be bothered to write them again). He also pointed out that all the skirmishers are female since one of the High Value Targets is a female Skirmishers and she has the same voice lines as any other skirmishers, signalling that all the other skirmishers are female as well.
With that intro out of the way.

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Are the skirmishers in halo just the female jackles presented in lore? Or is the jackle species really this complicated where we have 3 types of jackles now?

untold wasp
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i think it is mostly the female jackals as the skirmishers

wise bone
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Wrong channel bro. Definitely wrong wrong channel.

wise bone
fast falcon
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I don’t think Skirmishers are exclusively female, it’s just all Skirmishers shown in the game are from a subspecies of Jackals called the T’Voans

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Pretty sure their society is a matriarchy too

low whale
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yeah

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and u can't rlly tell based on voice

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considering they're aliens

astral mason
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I’m shocked at how self-aware the elites were in halo 2. You can clearly see the elite captain tell the arbiter “these are my elites. Their lives matter to me, yours does not.”

ivory prism
ivory prism
low whale
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not rlly like male bees

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a hive dynamic is very different to a matriarchal society

ivory prism
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I mean male bees just do nothing their whole lives and then they do the do

low whale
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that#s not what male kig yar do

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they're members of the society just unlikely to be in leadership positions or captains

fast falcon
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Yeah they’re more akin to second class citizens granted less respect and meant to fulfill more specific and menial roles to their race

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Similar to how women used to be treated and still are treated in places on earth

wise bone
low whale
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still not how bees work

ivory prism
wise bone
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So, looks like were getting close to this jackle family tree.

ivory prism
wise bone
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Reach skirmishers are a different species, that consist of male and female. While infinite skirmishers might be the queens of the OG jackles.

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Hmmm

fast falcon
low whale
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this is just going in circles

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go and read up on bees lmao

fast falcon
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Like I said it’s more they’re treated like second class citizens with different rights and less respect

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Similar to how women were treated in the past and are now

low whale
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but not how bees work

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so no jackals are not like bees chosen

ivory prism
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I just wrote a 2000 word essay for biology class on bees and their hierarchy and got 92%

fast falcon
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Did you write one on Jackals tho?

low whale
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good for you, now go and read up on jackals then

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I'm an entomologist and a halo nerd xD

ivory prism
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Yes I was talking abt bees not jakals

low whale
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but we're talking about jackals

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and how unlike bees they are

wise bone
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They live in a queen lead society, lounds like beeish to me

fast falcon
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I’m now imagining Jackals being like bees, but rather than being a hive mind, Bees are just like pirates

ivory prism
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Bc ilovebees 😏

wise bone
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Heck sounds Hyenaish too

fast falcon
wise bone
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You auto win

low whale
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jackals are more like a hyena pack dynamic yes

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which is also wholly not a eusocial hive

ivory prism
fast falcon
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In fact off I’m not mistaken many tribes in America before being colonized were matriarchal as well

ivory prism
fast falcon
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At least, the title of chief was more commonly held by women

wise bone
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There is no queen of england!

ivory prism
low whale
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yes the queen of england sits laying eggs to produce non-reproductive drones

ivory prism
ivory prism
wise bone
wise bone
fast falcon
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Ehh, monarchy isn’t outdated anyways

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Make fun of the old bag, what’s she gonna do to me?

wise bone
fast falcon
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Invade Canada?

ivory prism
wise bone
ivory prism
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Bro went straight for the kill

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Glassed the whole planet

fast falcon
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I can’t. Anytime I look at it in reminded how superior it is to US currency

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It’s waterproof, Y’know

ivory prism
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Like anywhere also beside McDonald’s land

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Has waterproof cash

wise bone
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Let me go wash my 100 dollar bill right now lol

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Oh no it disapeared. How am i gonna buy my cat ears

ivory prism
wise bone
ivory prism
wise bone
fast falcon
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Do you need more smells than that?

ivory prism
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Ahhh

ivory prism
wise bone
ivory prism
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Yes

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I love the smell of gunpowder irl

wise bone
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So. Question. What universe would the haloe universe lose too?

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I think most anime.

ivory prism
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Na chief could expect solo goku and saitama