lore-and-universe

[steady scaffold]

it was a mantis thing right

[low whale]

in a skunkworks site

[steady scaffold]

like related to the mantis

[low whale]

yeah it was more mech-y

[unique rune]

It was part of the development lineage that eventually led to the Mantis, yeah

[low whale]

in fall of reach it describes some prototype armour that had to be plugged into a big fusion generator

so was practically useless in battle

[steady scaffold]

yeah

[low whale]

and was used to stop training personnel getting obliterated by spartan IIs

[steady scaffold]

the mk-IV was the first power armour to be used i believe

at least in combat

the other iterations of the mk armour were powered by a wireless power station somewhere

because they were so power intensive

[low whale]

the mk4 went great for samuel

[steady scaffold]

the mk IV integrated a power plant

[low whale]

lol I think we're talking in circles now

.

[steady scaffold]

yeah

i did not read that

[unique rune]

The first three iterations of Project MJOLNIR are only tangentially related to Mk.IV-onwards.

Kinda the same situation as how SPARTAN-II was related to ORION. Kind of a successor conceptually but otherwise basically a reinvention.

[steady scaffold]

sorry

my bad

[low whale]

yupp

[steady scaffold]

orion sucked

[low whale]

though project orion was a big retcon too xD

which they excused as ONI obfuscation

which was fair enough

[steady scaffold]

johnson was orion right

[low whale]

yup

[unique rune]

Yes

[steady scaffold]

thats why he wasnt infected by the flood

[buoyant blaze]

So basically ODST = Poor man's Spartans

[steady scaffold]

in installation 04

[unique rune]

In very early canon, yes, later on his "Flood immunity" was retconned.

[low whale]

they first said he wasn't infected bc of a rare condition from being exposed to plasma grenade radiation (in first strike, the book between halo ce and 2)

[steady scaffold]

oh

i must've forgotten

[low whale]

which was then changed to project orion/"spartan I"

[steady scaffold]

ok

[low whale]

which ofc ONI told everyone was a plasma explosion ;;))

[steady scaffold]

his nervous system was so messed up the flood couldnt infect him

thats kinda metal

[unique rune]

Bungie's writing staff didn't like the idea that his ORION augmentations which were covered up as Boren's syndrome could make him immune, so it was eventually changed to him being really good at escaping from the Flood.

[low whale]

oh did it get retconned again?

haha nice

even though the cutscene definitely shows him go down 🤔

[steady scaffold]

i hate retcons

when they retcon perfectly good writing i dont liek it

[steady scaffold]

it was probably like a CE visual glitch or something

unless it was also retconned

[unique rune]

Nah, it was probably more just to do with Bungie only really planning for Halo to just be one game.

[steady scaffold]

yeah

actually

i think they originally intended for halo 2 to be the end of the franchise

[unique rune]

That was the plan once 2 was put into production.

[steady scaffold]

the ending of halo ce just asks for a sequel i dont think it was suposed to be just one game

[unique rune]

Most of the stuff in 3 was basically cut from 2's original plan and stretched into a whole separate campaign.

[steady scaffold]

imagine how different it would be

for halo 3 to never have existed

[low whale]

aight I ought to head to bed, this was fun though ^_^ I love nerding out about lore

[steady scaffold]

i do as well

i love this server

[low whale]

nice to have a talk that isn't just slagging off infinite

[steady scaffold]

what

ok

[low whale]

haha a lot of the chat in the infinite channel is pretty negative

anyways

cya

[steady scaffold]

I HAtE da MK 7 ItS so Bad SPartAN IvS SUCK!!11111 111

1

[buoyant blaze]

Mk VII is nice, change my mind

[unique rune]

I thought Infinite’s Mk.VII GEN3 was a bit boring and lacking in identity at first but it’s grown on me.

Still kinda miss the look of all the GEN2 stuff though.

[ornate hawk]

it was more or less Spartan = Rich man's ODST

[spiral jewel]

So... with Cortana out of the picture, who's now in charge of The Created? Or did she not think that far in advance?

[humble yacht]

There’s still the Warden

[sullen grotto]

warden eternal 😟

[spiral jewel]

Does he know about her death?

Something tells me that he genuinly doesn't know

[boreal current]

What do you think the odds are there was a massive rewrite for Halo 5? Sorry if im beating a dead horse but the story we got was so different from what the advertisement campaign for it suggested it would be

[valid hemlock]

Damn

Can't believe the advertisement of a game did not reflect the actual game

[tacit charm]

it would solve the mystery of the existence of other universes (not really but it does solve all our energy crisis so that's neat)

[valid hemlock]

But fr tho, don't there's gonna be a change to the story

[sullen grotto]

yeah there had to be

[boreal current]

I was more thinking about how the "Locke v Chief", "Chief going rouge" plot points were blown completely out of proportion, how the devs apparently said perspective was going to be an important theme in the plot ie both teams would perceive certain events differently(which was the whole point of the Chief, Locke trailers), how it retconned the "present day" scenes in halo 2 anniversary edition etc. I admit the last point is a very minor one

[valid hemlock]

Good

That scene in h2a was a free spoiler that was put in there for whatever reason

[versed helm]

Starting to think what if the Arbiter listen to the Heretic Leader instead of killing him lol

[fast falcon]

The Great Schism would still happen I think, but the Elites would be in a better position

[frigid oracle]

yeah

not MUCH different

mainly earlier events ig

[humble yacht]

Doubtful

The other elites hated arbiter

They needed to see their brethren slain to see the arbiter was right

[frigid oracle]

nah they needed the oracl to tell them

oracle*

[boreal current]

Or the Heretic Leader should have sent a message directly to Xytan 'Jar Wattinree. The guy had an even bigger reputation than Thel. I wonder was his death fortunate or unfortunate

[fast falcon]

Not turning everyone, especially the most devout elites would have been hard, but I think he would’ve instilled heavy doubt across a lot of other elites, enough to either make Truth jump his plan, or make some elites weary enough to be more ready for the brutes turning on them

[versed helm]

I mean if thel convince rtas that the great journey is a lie then maybe he can turn the most devoted elites

[fast falcon]

Keep in mind how divided and widespread the Covenant is tho

[boreal current]

Sesa: I could try to contact the banished....

[fast falcon]

There would be a lot of elites across space who may not get the message, may not have connections to Rtas or Thel(despite how famed they are).

[boreal current]

Yeah for example quite a few of Juls lot came from worlds that hadnt received word that the war had ended let along about the schism

[fast falcon]

So a good thing to think about is how fast word would spread across the species and what they’d all think of it

At the very least a small portion of the Covenant may defect against the prophets, centered around the Fleet of Retribution

Or wait, I think the Fleet of Retribution was only formed during the Great Schism

[boreal current]

Actually why didnt Sesa include a recording of Guilty spark outlining what the Halo array did? That would have gotten his message across

[versed helm]

Well halopedia said that the fleet of retribution broke off when the great schism began

[fast falcon]

There may have been a recording onboard his fighter or something, but it was lost with Threshold

[fast falcon]

Well at the very least they’d have an even smaller group made of Sesa’s troops and however many Rtas commanded at that time

[boreal current]

Is the Rubicon Protocol currently the only upcoming novel at the moment? How are the authors(Kelly Gay) other books?

[unique rune]

Her work has been pretty solid, at least from what I’ve read. Smoke and Shadow was an enjoyable read, if a bit short. Still need to get to Renegades and Point of Light, but I’ve generally heard good things about them.

[ornate hawk]

it wasn’t until Truth ordered for the Elites to be killed that they realized the Great Journey was a lie

so either Rtas or Tartarus would’ve been ordered to kill him/just killed him on their own accord

[glacial oracle]

It actually wasn't until some time during did they discover it was a lie. Initially, the Elites begun the Great Schism with the objective of cleansing the Covenant still believing in the Journey. It wasn't until a fair way into the battle did they discover it was a lie thanks to the Arbiter

[regal lake]

🧱

[terse lava]

They still believed in the Journey at the start, only wanting to remove the Jiralhanae, as they were not yet aware the San'Shyuum betrayed them as well

[lusty basin]

[astral mason]

I have a question for the lore experts here

Ping me

[near tide]

@astral mason

[astral mason]

Yes infinity

[near tide]

I know a good amount of the lore

[astral mason]

Just finished halo reach and loved it so much

But I want to know what happened to all the guns and enemies introduced in reach

they weren’t in ce

And I’d like a canon reason

[near tide]

I don’t think there’s ever an explanation for that

[astral mason]

there has to be

There’s a reason why there are no Spartans other than chief in ce

[near tide]

Only chief was on the pillar of autumn

And Kelly

Although she was clinically dead

[astral mason]

Kelly? I didn’t know she was on

WAIT WHAT

But she was in guardians

[near tide]

She was badly hurt, technically dead. She was a in a cryopod

[astral mason]

Did they resuscitate her

[terse lava]

@near tide Linda, it was Linda

[astral mason]

So she was so badly wounded they declared her dead

[near tide]

Ye

[near tide]

Aha. I knew I wasn’t remembering properly

[astral mason]

And did the covenant attack the pillar because they were tracking Cortana after her departure from reach

[terse lava]

In the anniversary addition you can see her as an Easter egg in the cryo room as a vitals display

[astral mason]

cuz I know that the unsc was in a similar position to how they are in infinite

[terse lava]

@astral mason no, they did follow the POA, but arrived at halo long before the POA itself did

[astral mason]

Broken

[near tide]

A covenant fleet was at the ring and saw the autumn

A second fleet I think followed the autumn from reach too

[terse lava]

Yes, because they followed the POA

Nope

Same fleet

[sullen grotto]

i think somewhere it was just that brutes drones skirmishers etc werent on the ships that chased the autumn like werent assigned but that might not be right

[astral mason]

but didn’t the covenant deploy to reach

[terse lava]

Yes, the Covenant does have multiple fleets

[sullen grotto]

was it the Fleet of particular justice that chased and engaged the autumn?

or not i forgot

[near tide]

It was arbys fleet

[astral mason]

If, according to holland, 65% of the unsc fleet was sent to reach, then how did the covenant win if they had their forces occupying the first halo ring?

[terse lava]

Thel 'Vadam(the arbiter) led the fleets in the battle of Reach. When the POA fled, he took his own fleet, part of thr larger one, and gave chase

Thr other fleets remained at reach to clean up

[near tide]

Covenant has a massive amount of ships

[astral mason]

Did the covenant just have more forces than the unsc?

[near tide]

Way more

[terse lava]

Thousands more

[astral mason]

Then how the hell did chief tear through them like a monster

is he that much of a beast

[near tide]

Tear through what?

[terse lava]

The Covenant as a civilization was 3400 years old

[astral mason]

Halo

and the flood

[sullen grotto]

it was the Fleet of particular justice thats what its called

[lusty basin]

•_•

[terse lava]

Didn't really tear through them, just used gorilla warfare

[near tide]

It was a fraction of the covenant forces that were actually on the ring

[terse lava]

Mhm

[near tide]

Plus chief is stronk

[astral mason]

True

[sullen grotto]

i mean he didnt fight like every single ship or soldier just where he needed to be

[terse lava]

Strong*

[astral mason]

Another question for you godly lore experts

[lusty basin]

The covenant also had a planet that literally was a massive ship

[terse lava]

Yeah, the Covenant at halo didn't consider the chief a massive threat, until the raid on the Truth and Reconciliation

[astral mason]

where did halsey go after evacuations were undergone on reach and new Alexandria AND how did the covenant not find the secret passage at the ONI base noble team was dispatched to

[lusty basin]

Idk honestly

[near tide]

I think she hid under sword base

[terse lava]

She and the other spartan 2s were eventually rescued by Chief and the other survivors from Halo

[sullen grotto]

castle base if im not mistaken they just chilled there until i think john or something rescued them after halo ce

[carmine moss]

there were back passages out of sword base. i htink old mineshafts

[astral mason]

So they stayed after reach fell AND after CE

how did they survive

[near tide]

Oh yeah castle

[astral mason]

It was sword base

[near tide]

Hid and cautiously fought the covenant

[sullen grotto]

just hid i think because the surface got glassed idrk honestly

[astral mason]

trust me, I finished reach less than 9 hours ago

[lusty basin]

During the fall of reach halsley and June went to a secret base to hide

[near tide]

Halsey hid under castle

[astral mason]

SWORD BASE

[near tide]

Although she was in sword at first

[astral mason]

Oh

She switched?

[near tide]

Pretty sure

[lusty basin]

And then went to another because they destroyed sword base

She switched

[near tide]

Lore between reach and the books is a bit weird

[lusty basin]

Ya

[terse lava]

Yeah, Bungie didn't care much for EU lore like books

[astral mason]

What halo books should I read

Gimmie a list

Dm me

[terse lava]

Really best to start in release date

[astral mason]

I’m doing a whole playthrough of the halo saga

[terse lava]

So Fall of Reach

[lusty basin]

I love this one called a fist full of arrows but it isn’t canon yet so :/

[astral mason]

I need books for the eras of reach’s fall and infinite/guardians

[terse lava]

That was a good fan comic

[astral mason]

I haven’t touched 2-3

[sullen grotto]

man i thought that would've worked

[lusty basin]

Gives good backstory

[indigo ingot]

Who is the younger San shyum that narrates the Halo 2 terminals

[sullen grotto]

but yeah sword got pooped on and destroyed so she ran to castle base

[terse lava]

A random scribe

[astral mason]

I got another question for y’all cool mens

[terse lava]

Hm?

[sullen grotto]

speak

[lusty basin]

Yes speak

[indigo ingot]

Talk

[astral mason]

I’m typing

[sullen grotto]

vocalize

[terse lava]

Give him a minute

[astral mason]

Patience is key

[lusty basin]

==••==••

[astral mason]

ONI HQ was evac’d right?

where did they resettle

after reach’s fall

and who the hell shot kat

Damn needler round

[sullen grotto]

good question and the field marshal killed kat

[indigo ingot]

Btw Craig is probably Canon

[sullen grotto]

i think

[lusty basin]

She didn’t have her shield on

[astral mason]

But don’t elites hate jackals

[astral mason]

I know from the glassing beam

[astral mason]

He is

[near tide]

Noble team have kinda ironic/poetic deaths

[sullen grotto]

grunts hate jackals and vice versa elites are indifferent i think

[terse lava]

Earth mostly, and a Sangheili Field Marshal(possibly the same from the first level) shot Kat

[astral mason]

Go to the top of the tower on Zeta halo

[near tide]

Lone wolf dies alone

[astral mason]

So sad

Six noble six really die

[near tide]

Brains of the operation is shot in the head

[indigo ingot]

Smart girl gets headshot

[astral mason]

Or is he MIA

[indigo ingot]

Yes

[terse lava]

He's dead

[near tide]

Leader goes down with his ship

[indigo ingot]

Creepy knife guy gets stabbed

[near tide]

Melee man dies to an energy sword

[astral mason]

We know

[near tide]

Sneaky sniper disappears

[astral mason]

I’ve heard this all already

[lusty basin]

In halo infinite, no one knows if Huns alive or not

[near tide]

Demolitions expert blows up lol

[lusty basin]

SPOILER ALERT

[astral mason]

and jun the ghost disappears

[lusty basin]

IF NO CAMPAING PLAYED YET DONT RED

[indigo ingot]

Huns?

[terse lava]

Nah Jun last we know is alive, was in charge of the spartan 4s later

[lusty basin]

JUN

[indigo ingot]

Oh

[astral mason]

Huns, member of red team

[indigo ingot]

He probably is

[astral mason]

led by legendary mister chief

[indigo ingot]

Like living on earth

[astral mason]

Jen 177

[lusty basin]

the space station gets blown up by its AI

[indigo ingot]

In the northern hemisphere

[sullen grotto]

prayin juns alive

[lusty basin]

Same

[astral mason]

Is it just me, or does reach seem scarily similar to rogue one?

[terse lava]

Not really

[indigo ingot]

Seriously during every attack on earth (that I know of) only southern Africa and Sydney were attacked

[lusty basin]

I mean it does kinda

[astral mason]

soldiers going on a mission to deliver an important asset to save the galaxy

And they all die

[lusty basin]

Everyone dies

[astral mason]

😶

[lusty basin]

All the main guys

[astral mason]

Yeah

[near tide]

I like the feeling of reach and rogue one

[fast falcon]

I mean a suicide mission with the members being elite and dying off one by one isn’t that uncommon a trope

[near tide]

But I love last stands and such

[astral mason]

Reach is a great game

[lusty basin]

Que the halsley ending after Death Star blows up planet

[astral mason]

lmao yeah

rogue one style

[lusty basin]

Ya

[versed helm]

can anyone answer me a important question

[lusty basin]

?

[terse lava]

Possibly

[astral mason]

Ado

[terse lava]

Hm?

[indigo ingot]

They should make a Halo infinite campaign where they finds his old armor and re tells the tales of previous arbiters to younger sangheli and it's basically the Halo 2 terminals but you actually play as the arbiters in Thoes sceneries like during the taming of the hunters and grunt rebellion and stuff

[astral mason]

Can I request more lore

[lusty basin]

Ado is the lore master

[indigo ingot]

Dlc

[astral mason]

I need more lore to quench my thirst

Please ado

[lusty basin]

Read fist full of arrows

[terse lava]

I can answer what questions I can, but I would recommend looking over at Halopedia

[lusty basin]

Online

[astral mason]

ooh ok

[lusty basin]

It’s good

[terse lava]

It has all the known lore properly categorized

[astral mason]

Was Locke at ONI hq when the attack happened

[terse lava]

No

[lusty basin]

No

[near tide]

No

[astral mason]

Where was he

[fast falcon]

Elsewhere

[astral mason]

but WHERE.

[terse lava]

Implied to either be on Zeta or another mission elsewhere

[astral mason]

wait

Zeta halo?

[lusty basin]

No he was on infinity

[fast falcon]

I’m hoping he’s on Zeta. I wouldn’t mind a dlc with him

[terse lava]

Yes, the location of Halo: Infinite

[lusty basin]

When it was attacked

[astral mason]

how?

[lusty basin]

He survived

[indigo ingot]

Guys I'ma start grave mind on laso and I'll tell u when I die

[lusty basin]

But was defeated by hyperious and tavorious

[astral mason]

no like how was he on zeta halo during reach

[sullen grotto]

he was on something called operation breaker trip but we literally dont know anything about where or what it is

[terse lava]

@astral mason he wasn't during Reach

[lusty basin]

WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT @astral mason

[astral mason]

Where was he during reach

not during infinite

[lusty basin]

Ooooooooo

[terse lava]

Easy there Cash

[sullen grotto]

who locke?

[astral mason]

sorry for not being specific

[gusty star]

You never specified that

[lusty basin]

Halo 5

[terse lava]

@sullen grotto the main protag from halo 5

[lusty basin]

O i agent

O I

[astral mason]

ONI

[lusty basin]

Oni

[astral mason]

there you go

[sullen grotto]

yeah ik i just didnt know if they were talking about him

[terse lava]

Ah ok

[lusty basin]

Gosh auto correct

[astral mason]

Like I was saying

where was Locke during reach’s fall

[sullen grotto]

probably doing some oni stuff

we dont really know

[cosmic zinc]

not a spartan. probably a low level oni agent

[fast falcon]

Likely writing up a report on why they oughta kill Thel

[lusty basin]

He was a hit man trying to kill arbiter

So

[astral mason]

Are ONI agents Spartans? Or was Locke just fit for hunting chief

[lusty basin]

He made a bio for him

[sullen grotto]

he became a spartan

[lusty basin]

Like in infinite

[astral mason]

With augmentations?

[lusty basin]

Yes

[astral mason]

or just a human

I see

[lusty basin]

Aug

[sullen grotto]

in halo nightfall he was not then in halo 5 he volunteered to be one

[fast falcon]

Spartan IVs can be pulled from any branch of the UNSC, but he was an ONI agent before being added to the program

[terse lava]

During the Fall of Reach, we do not know where Locke was, but he did at the time make a profile on Thel 'Vadam and recommended his assassination

[sullen grotto]

or was chosen i forgot

[astral mason]

so they’re like assassins trained similarly to black widows

[lusty basin]

Chosen and he agreed

[astral mason]

I can’t stop getting lore

[terse lava]

@astral mason at the time he was just an ONI agent

[astral mason]

I see

Are you getting tired of my questions yet

[terse lava]

Nah your fine

[sullen grotto]

i am not

[astral mason]

Ok good

[lusty basin]

No it fuels me

[astral mason]

That’s good

Now for more questions

[lusty basin]

•_•

[sullen grotto]

rubbin my hands in anticipation rn

[astral mason]

How did lasky get infected? Didn’t we rescue him from the covenant cruiser

[sullen grotto]

infected?

[astral mason]

flood

[terse lava]

Lasky was never infected by the flood

You are thinking of Captain Keyes

[astral mason]

the flood?

YEAH

My bad

keyes

[terse lava]

All good

[sullen grotto]

oh yeah keyes he got f' d

[astral mason]

But didn’t we rescue him

[lusty basin]

He was brought to a location probs

No he does

Does

Dies

[terse lava]

He was infected because after you rescue him he leads a mission into a supposed covenant armory, which in reality was a locked down flood facility

[sullen grotto]

he went to the 343 guilty spark level, flood saw he had too much knowledge to be a combat form so they stuck him in the proto gravemind

[astral mason]

Oh

[sullen grotto]

thats why he was back on the truth and reconciliation which was taken over by the flood

[astral mason]

How did Cortana know

[lusty basin]

They took his nuerolink so they don’t learn about earth

I think

[terse lava]

She was on the control room of halo

[sullen grotto]

^

[astral mason]

I see

[sullen grotto]

got all da knowledge

[astral mason]

Couldn’t she have just blown it up from there

[terse lava]

They didn't take his neural link, chief did

[astral mason]

Or did the index have everything

[sullen grotto]

chief ripped it out of his head

[lusty basin]

Chief I meant chief

[terse lava]

She couldn't do anything besides watch Chief

[fast falcon]

The halos don’t seem to possess a self destruct function either

[sullen grotto]

that's why we punched keyes in the face

[fast falcon]

If they did, Spark likely took all precautions to block it from Cortana

[lusty basin]

I love how chief mentions Keyes in halo infinite

[astral mason]

When

[lusty basin]

It shows he cares

[sullen grotto]

i literally gasped when i heard keyes

[lusty basin]

Cared

[terse lava]

As she said herself, "ive spent the last 12 hours couped up in here, watching you toady about, helping that thing(spark) get set to slit our throats"

[lusty basin]

In halo infinite in a mission

[astral mason]

now I remember

The echo by Cortana

[lusty basin]

It shows that chief still remembers him and cared

[sullen grotto]

one of the forerunner levels the weapon asks who the echo was and chief tells her it was "captain jacob keyes" "died on the first ring we found" or something like that

[lusty basin]

Didn’t mention how doe

[astral mason]

Well I don’t think they wanted to elaborate considering the weapon didn’t know about the flood

[terse lava]

Pretty much

[sullen grotto]

yeah he didnt say how he died

[lusty basin]

Ya ya I know

[astral mason]

And she would have budged for more info

if he mentioned it

[sullen grotto]

the weapon my beloved

[lusty basin]

•_•

[astral mason]

dollar store Cortana

[terse lava]

Huh......oook

[astral mason]

ado

[terse lava]

Hm?

[astral mason]

can I friend you

[lusty basin]

Ye

Didn’t ask me ok

[sullen grotto]

also does it bug anyone else that alpha halo is 04 and not 01 like alphabetical order

[lusty basin]

…

[astral mason]

Can I friend YOU, cash?

[lusty basin]

Sure

[astral mason]

awesome

you too nicko

[sullen grotto]

sure

[terse lava]

Heh

[astral mason]

Ado

I need more lore

is it true that master chief’s armor

[lusty basin]

I literally screamed at the legendary ending

When he said defensive bias I got goosebump

[astral mason]

@terse lava Is it true that chief’s armor…. Jerks him off

[sullen grotto]

literally went 👁️ 👁️ but in the good way

[sullen grotto]

😳

[astral mason]

It’s in the comics ok?!

[terse lava]

@astral mason no, it's not

[astral mason]

I need to know if it’s canon

[lusty basin]

Uhhhhh

[astral mason]

ok good

[sullen grotto]

what kind of comics 👁️

sus

[lusty basin]

Comics!?!?!??!?!?

[astral mason]

Chill

[lusty basin]

Are

Sus

[astral mason]

it’s a certain series

Ok now for the actual lore

[lusty basin]

I think in the last boss fight

Forgot her name

[sullen grotto]

harbinger?

[lusty basin]

Yes

It says something was helping

Is

Us

[astral mason]

Bro really forgot the last bosses name.💀

[lusty basin]

To defeat her

[astral mason]

That’s how forgettable she is

[sullen grotto]

might be offensive bias since it was deployed to seal the endless away

[lusty basin]

I think it is defensive bias

Helping us

[astral mason]

escharum felt like more of a final boss than that floating salamander

[sullen grotto]

😭 😭

true tho

[astral mason]

I hope we get a rematch with atriox

Chief deserves it

[sullen grotto]

i hope we dont kill atriox soon

want him to be a staple of the series as a villain

[astral mason]

He needs his own dlc story

halo wars 2 did a lot

But we need MORE.

[lusty basin]

I think there should be an odst dlc

[sullen grotto]

honestly loved seeing chief get his snot rocked by atriox

[lusty basin]

They mention there are helljumpers in audio logs

[astral mason]

We needed to see it

we need to be reminded that chief can be beaten

[sullen grotto]

yup

[astral mason]

That he’s human

[sullen grotto]

people always want him to be like god or something and never be beaten

but hes just a spartan

[lusty basin]

Bro he got thrown around like a doll

[astral mason]

Doomguy style

[sullen grotto]

well

THE spartan

but yk

[lusty basin]

Who would win doom guy or chief

[astral mason]

How much does the mjolnir suit weigh? 2000 pounds?

[sullen grotto]

i think like 990 something

[sullen grotto]

hm

[astral mason]

Doomguy. Hate to say it but he’s a literal god creature

if you want the realistic answer

[sullen grotto]

probably doomguy hes just so strong

[lusty basin]

Yes doomguy is a literal god

That kills demons

[astral mason]

Chief would put up a great fight but he’d lose

[lusty basin]

Yes@astral mason

Also atriox is voiced by the guy who plays Locke in halo 5

[sullen grotto]

whoever that va is they're awesome

[astral mason]

I need more reach content

season 1 is amazing but I need some sort of return to reach type stuff

give us a cinematic

for s2

[sullen grotto]

i recently got the battle pass so im only like level 5 or something 😭 in infinite if thats what ur referring to

ive been grinding the campaign

[lusty basin]

It’s so hard to lvl up

[sullen grotto]

a few times

[lusty basin]

I hate micro transactions

[sullen grotto]

i did like 5 challenges and somehow leveled up 2 levels

well more like 1 and a 1/8

but

yk

[astral mason]

Back to lore?

[sullen grotto]

go for it

[astral mason]

Alright

Got the nickname and all

[sullen grotto]

also i just noticed how close in name rtas vadum and thel vadam are ok go ahead

[astral mason]

Time to summon the lord Zealot Ado

[lusty basin]

I loved halo reach did their multiplayer and how they unlocked armpit

ARMOUR

OMG

[sullen grotto]

😭 😭 😭

[astral mason]

@terse lava

[lusty basin]

I HATE AUTOCORRECT

[sullen grotto]

armpit

[astral mason]

Ah yes

[terse lava]

yo

[lusty basin]

😢

[terse lava]

What's up

[astral mason]

The halo reach armpit

ado

My dude

[terse lava]

Hm?

[lusty basin]

I hate myself

[terse lava]

Yes?

[astral mason]

I’m typing

What happened to new Alexandria after reach fell

[lusty basin]

What is ur guys favorite halo lore

[astral mason]

Noble team so far

[lusty basin]

It got glasses

[sullen grotto]

glassed

wiped out

[lusty basin]

Glassed

[sullen grotto]

with basically 95 percent of reach

[astral mason]

Hiroshima-style?

[sullen grotto]

yeah

[astral mason]

Damn

[terse lava]

@astral mason was eventually rebuilt

[astral mason]

so who glassed reach

[lusty basin]

Woah changed name

[sullen grotto]

new new alexandria

[astral mason]

covenant?

[sullen grotto]

yes

thels fleet if im not mistaken took part in it

[astral mason]

When does the epilogue take place

Infinite?

[lusty basin]

Farther

[terse lava]

Yes the Covenant glassed thr city

[sullen grotto]

in infinite its like 2560 something but that was all of infinite

[lusty basin]

It looks but I full

[astral mason]

so you’re saying the reach epilogue that far in the future

That the current game is 20 years away

[sullen grotto]

its farther than 2560 if im not mistaken

1 sec

[astral mason]

2582

know it already @sullen grotto

[lusty basin]

It looks gorgeous

[fast falcon]

I think he took off following the Autumn before they got deep into the glassing tho

[terse lava]

2589@astral mason

[astral mason]

Oh

I was close

[fast falcon]

Although the major cities were glassed first before the Autumn took off

[sullen grotto]

i mean in h2a it showed reach ablaze when his fleet broke off and chased the autumn

[lusty basin]

Where the heck did you come from@fast falcon

[astral mason]

Chief woulda been like almost 70

you think he made it that long?

[lusty basin]

And he is still kickin butt

[sullen grotto]

probably not he probably died in battle

[lusty basin]

He’s like 60

And still killin it

[sullen grotto]

hes in his 40s i thought now

[astral mason]

I genuinely believe that the death of master chief will be the biggest event in gaming history

[terse lava]

John was born in 2511

[sullen grotto]

or even 50s

[astral mason]

49

[fast falcon]

I doubt they’d ever attempt to actually kill John

[terse lava]

They will

[astral mason]

You never know

Everything ends

[terse lava]

They have too eventually as his VA is getting old

[astral mason]

what’s a VA

[fast falcon]

Like I mean kill off and keep him dead for good

[terse lava]

Voice actor

[lusty basin]

Imagine getting ur whole fleet destroyed by one man

[astral mason]

oh

Stevey is already 70 😩🥺

[terse lava]

Yep

[sullen grotto]

man he is??

wow

[astral mason]

he sounds and looks like he’s 40 tho

[terse lava]

Indeed

[astral mason]

Dude aged like fine wine

livin the life

[terse lava]

Agreed

[astral mason]

Agreeing Elite Noises

[sullen grotto]

the day steve downes dies is the day i i dont even know

[terse lava]

Wort

[astral mason]

wort wort wort

[sullen grotto]

wort wort wort

[astral mason]

AHH WUBBADOGH

Elites or grunts

Answer wisely

[lusty basin]

Both

[sullen grotto]

gruntys

[terse lava]

Sangheili

[lusty basin]

Idc both

[astral mason]

Choose one cash

you have to

[lusty basin]

Fine

[astral mason]

I choose elites

[lusty basin]

Grelite

[sullen grotto]

cringe

[lusty basin]

Grelitew

[astral mason]

Choose grunts or elites

[sullen grotto]

the unggoy is where its at

[lusty basin]

Fine

😥😥😥😥

😰

[fast falcon]

Elites are cooler, Grunts are more iconic imo

[terse lava]

jeopardy theme

[fast falcon]

Would love to see a lasting Grunt character tho

Like a wisecracking Grunt Mule who follows you into battle and carries extra guns

[sullen grotto]

omg

grunt mule marines

[lusty basin]

Grunts are funny but elites are cool

[sullen grotto]

someone make that a mod

[astral mason]

We need friendly grunts

[lusty basin]

Grunt backstory is sad

[sullen grotto]

sometimes i feel so bad about killing grunts i leave like one alive

and just bilt

bolt

[astral mason]

Same

[terse lava]

We were to have them in halo 3, but Bungie was worried players would get confused in the heat of combat

[fast falcon]

I want a Swords of Sanghelios dlc so we can get like an alien version of a FOB with grunt troops who can follow you

[terse lava]

Thus why only Sangheili

[astral mason]

Just give them different designs and turn off ff

[terse lava]

Tell that to Bungie

[sullen grotto]

in halo 2 you have friendly grunts when playing as arby

[fast falcon]

For a while I actually wondered what John thought about most Grunts being child soldiers, but then again so was he

[sullen grotto]

zamn

[astral mason]

Sure like they’ll listen, they gotta add more loot boxes to destiny 3 when it comes out

[terse lava]

Don't think they are child soldiers, they just age faster than humans

[lusty basin]

The covanentwere so menacing and we’re so fleshed out

[sullen grotto]

getting punched by a grunt must hurt so f rucking much

[terse lava]

An Unggoy teen in a post war book was 8 if I recall

[astral mason]

Can we talk about halo reach’s music for a sec?

Crap was so good

[terse lava]

Eh, still prefer halo 2'd track

[astral mason]

I came in my pants when the guitar riffs played during nightfall

I have yet to play h2

[lusty basin]

Bro the halo odst music doe

[astral mason]

I only played the first mission

[lusty basin]

Halo reach and odst are soooooo good

[astral mason]

Please don’t talk about h2 or 3/odst as long as I’m around

[terse lava]

For the dumpater fire of development it went through, Halo 2 is pretty good

[astral mason]

I only know that Johnson dies

[terse lava]

Not in halo 2

[astral mason]

I know

[terse lava]

All I'll say

[lusty basin]

Bro odst music is fire🔥🔥🔥

[astral mason]

H3 he dies to one of the monitors

[lusty basin]

I don’t trust monitors anymore

At all

[unique rune]

Reading about the development behind CE and 2 always makes me question how Bungie ever managed to ship a functioning product.

[lusty basin]

Halo infinite monitor turned on us

[sullen grotto]

rip despondent pyre

[astral mason]

Yeah rip

he redeems himself in the end tho

[terse lava]

To be fair chief was planning on destroying his tower

[lusty basin]

Despondent pyre was awesome in lot perspective

Lore

[astral mason]

Yeah

[sullen grotto]

same she died so quickly

sahame

shame

[lusty basin]

But still

[fast falcon]

I hope we see Exuberant Witness again

[astral mason]

She was lame

[lusty basin]

I hope we see mendicant byus

[astral mason]

Wait no

[terse lava]

https://www.halopedia.org/

@astral mason there ya go for later

[astral mason]

Thx

[terse lava]

Welcome

[lusty basin]

I’m out

Peace

I’m going to bed

[astral mason]

Cya cash

[sullen grotto]

i also should probably sleep

its 2 am 😭

[terse lava]

Ditto

[astral mason]

I’m gonna do an all nighter

[lusty basin]

Midnight for me

[astral mason]

2 am for me too

[lusty basin]

Bue

Bye

[astral mason]

Bye

[sullen grotto]

cya

[terse lava]

Don't get too buried in halopedia

Goodnight

[astral mason]

You bet I will

[sullen grotto]

get buried in it

become one with the lore

[astral mason]

I will

but I have more questions

[terse lava]

Well he wanted to avoid spoilers, thus.my caution

[astral mason]

Why did Keyes have a chip in his brain

[sullen grotto]

actually don't know

[terse lava]

https://www.halopedia.org/Command_neural_interface

[sullen grotto]

probably for smarts and crap idrk

[unique rune]

Just a standard thing for UNSC personnel.

[astral mason]

Oh

[unique rune]

Everyone from Marines to Spartans has a neural implant that serves a variety of functions.

[sullen grotto]

ah yeah thats why chief took it so the flood course find earth by learning how to fly ships

[unique rune]

Chief needed Keyes’ CNI specifically so Cortana could override some things on the Pillar of Autumn.

[astral mason]

I love halo

Why did chief stay in cryosleep while reach was literally getting taken over

Didn’t they need him

He woulda saved them all

[indigo ingot]

How did the flood on Delta Halo not starve if they were locked away for thousands of years with only sentinels being in the library complex Besides the flood

[astral mason]

Yeah how

[unique rune]

They needed to get out of the system ASAP. One Spartan wouldn’t have done much against a Covenant invasion fleet of 300+ ships.

[astral mason]

But it’s master chief

THE master chief

[terse lava]

@astral mason he wasn't in cryo, he was in space fighting on an orbital station

[astral mason]

Then why didn’t they redeploy him to reach

[sullen grotto]

probably wildlife im guessing because the funny gravemind used tentacles in that one lake

[astral mason]

why was he stuck on a space station

Did they not know his power

[sullen grotto]

uh oh convoluted lore moment

[terse lava]

His orders, he had most Spartans sent groundsidrz he and the others helped in space

[unique rune]

He was on the station to deal with nav data that hadn’t been wiped in violation of the Cole Protocol.

[terse lava]

@sullen grotto how

[astral mason]

Wait chief ordered them to stay and the others to help at reach?

[terse lava]

Yes, he had to divide his forces

[unique rune]

By the time John had wrapped it all up, one Spartan was lost to space and another was clinically dead, and he would’ve been too late to do anything for Reach.

[astral mason]

Is cole protocol some sort of torch and burn protocol

[indigo ingot]

Yeah but it's basically just biomass and it's not very efficient either given nothing goes in or out within like a 5km radius

[sullen grotto]

if i remember the correctly the fall of reach and reach reach clash with where John was

[opal gazelle]

oh boy here we go

[terse lava]

@sullen grotto not at all thankfully, the chief in cryo shown in Reach is purely an eastrr egg

[unique rune]

It’s a set of regulations meant to delay the Covenant’s advance through human space.

[indigo ingot]

Like you can see the Sheild wall on the level regret

[astral mason]

I see

[unique rune]

Stuff like clearing navigation data and making random slipspace jumps when escaping to obfuscate the locations of Earth and the other Inner Colonies.

[astral mason]

So it’s like throwing the covenant off course by destroying their path

[indigo ingot]

Ok but what if humanity surrendered and joined th covenant

[opal gazelle]

we were never offered

[terse lava]

It's denying them information to locate other worlds

[sullen grotto]

thats why the covenant followed the autumn cortana put in coordinates thay werent random and covie slipspace is usually faster or was faster in this case thats why the they met the covenant at alpha halo

[astral mason]

Not possible, thr covenant hate humans

[indigo ingot]

I know humanity tried to make peace but other species desecrated forerunner artifacts or were hated by the covenant and are still in like the hunters or grunts

I think the drones too maybe

[sullen grotto]

the word reclaimer was mistranslated as reclamation and humans are reclaimers, the prophets didnt want to admit lies and mistakes so they basically started the human covenant war because of it

[indigo ingot]

None of the members of the covenant joined peacefully

Even some splinter groups accepted humans and rebels

[unique rune]

Humanity’s status as Reclaimers screws up Covenant beliefs to their very core. It just straight up wouldn’t work out.

[sullen grotto]

the san shyuum and the sangheili created the covenant after they fought a war, signing i think its called the writ of union? forming the covenant

[indigo ingot]

They could lie saying humans are evolved forerunners

[unique rune]

That… wouldn’t do anything to help matters.

[terse lava]

@indigo ingot the reason humamsnare not offered a place was because a fragment of a Forerummer AI Mendicant Bias, after receiving data from the soon to be Hierarchs, Rgret Truth, And Mercy, claimed humans were forerunnera. This flew in the face of the Covenant's faith, which claimed all who believed in the Great Journey would ascend to godhood when the halos were activated

[sullen grotto]

that would put the prophets out of power because the whole religion was basically "omg forerunners so poggers"

[terse lava]

The three kept it a secret from the masses and declared war

[indigo ingot]

Ok but the covenant would have a wet dream if the forerunners joined them

[unique rune]

The whole core belief of the Covenant was that the Forerunners ascended to some higher plane of existence via the Great Journey initiated by the Halo Array. To call humanity “evolved” Forerunners would imply that some were left behind, which just isn’t compatible with the Covenant’s misinterpretation of the Great Journey.

[terse lava]

Yep

[indigo ingot]

Yeah

[astral mason]

Forerunners were botched by 343

[terse lava]

If the Covenant was made aware of that, it would fragment

[astral mason]

Just to make a new enemy type

[terse lava]

@astral mason no, bungie

[astral mason]

what no

[terse lava]

Bungie did that

[astral mason]

Bungie made them a mystery

[terse lava]

Yes

Halo 3

[astral mason]

I’ll play it and see

[indigo ingot]

So jul m'dama's covenant couldn't believe their eyes when they found the didact

[astral mason]

Ado do you play on pc or Xbox

[unique rune]

Jul’s Covenant doesn’t quite maintain the same set of beliefs as the original.

[terse lava]

In CE and 2, they are implied to be humans, but Bungie in h3 were split on the idea, ultimately setting them as aliens

[astral mason]

Oh

[astral mason]

Do u play pc or Xbox?

[terse lava]

Yep, 343 just went with it after

[indigo ingot]

I know that but most of them have the same general belief by worshipping the forerunne

[terse lava]

Eh don't play so much these days

[astral mason]

can we play reach firefight if you’re down

[terse lava]

Sadly have to pass on that, but I thank you for the offer

[indigo ingot]

Then again jul phrased the artifacts on requiem as the treasures of the forerunners as if he was a jackal

In the terminal

[opal gazelle]

Not really. You can read the terminals as them being humans and that 343 quote at the end is pretty blatant. Wasnt retconned until the forerunner books if I recall

[unique rune]

Well, yeah, Jul doesn’t really care about the hokey religious stuff surrounding the Forerunners.

[astral mason]

You’re fine

[unique rune]

He just knows their technology is powerful and would be very useful in his crusade against humanity.

[terse lava]

@opal gazelle the librarian in the terminals addresses humans as a separate race, along with the halo 3 marketing campaign, IRIS, and the comic that showed humans as your typical hunter gatherer

[sullen grotto]

juls covies are basically a cult more than covies

[astral mason]

Still the covenant

[terse lava]

In name alone

[astral mason]

yeah

[terse lava]

They were just one among a hundred factions

All calling themselves the Covenant

[opal gazelle]

they actually dont. I went through them and it could be read as her indexing other forerunners or it could be some other alien race and "theyre special" is more out of a respect for life

[terse lava]

You'd have to do some pretty good stretching for that

[opal gazelle]

Not really, the Terminals dont give many details

[indigo ingot]

I Believe the first mention of Halsey in game was Halo 3 odst in oni alpha base where there is a reach memorial and there's a plaque that says something along the lines of Catherine Halsey was one of oni's top scientists and was a major contributor to the Spartan program, she was last seen on reach and has not been found and is beloved to be dead, may she rest in peace 2492-2552

[astral mason]

She ain’t dead

Second time she faked her death

[unique rune]

https://www.halopedia.org/ONI_memorial

[indigo ingot]

I know its oni

[cerulean dust]

Help me understand the various different UNSC cruiser types

So there’s the Paris-class frigate, which I believe the rest follow in form/shape.

The ones above Reach during the Sabre mission I believe are Paris-class frigates

The one crashed on Zeta Halo next to Outpost Tremonious I believe is also the same type

[astral mason]

Yep

[cerulean dust]

There’s another kind that’s similar in shape but not quite the same

What is it?

[astral mason]

Not sure

[cerulean dust]

I believe it might be the Stalwart-class

[low whale]

I disagree with this, it was always framed that humans were the inheritors of it all, not the forerunners

In the CE novelisation especially

Which I'm pretty sure came out with or even before CE?

*checked and it came out in 03, sorry

But definitely under bungie

[cerulean dust]

On the subject of the forerunners, who exactly are the Endless?

I picked up what I could from the audio logs in the various beacons and listened to them in order, but they’re cryptic.

[low whale]

They're a race that somehow survived the halo firing

So during the forerunner's cleaning up and repopulation of the galaxy they found them alive and kinda pissed off

Because their survival might have meant the flood could escape the arrays the forerunner's invited them to a treaty conference on the moved-closer zeta halo

Then shoved them all into the cylixes

Kinda rude tbh

[cerulean dust]

“Oh yeah congrats on surviving a universal genocide, check out this cool floaty space bed”

[low whale]

Haha yeah that's it

[lyric cobalt]

Do elites have genitalia?

[low whale]

Presumably

AFAIK they're never described

Sangheili lay eggs is all I can remember if it lol

[lyric cobalt]

Lay eggs… The males or female ?

[left gazelle]

They have genitalia, they just aren't outside their bodies

[lyric cobalt]

Thanks

[low whale]

The females

I hadn't really thought about it but I guess some kinda shark arrangement, where it all tucks away haha

[lyric cobalt]

It’s just biology. They’re alien after all. I suppose they’re sort of human in how they reproduce

[modest quarry]

[left gazelle]

Nah I remember hearing that they have cloacae

[low whale]

Why do you need to know this 🤔@lyric cobalt

[modest quarry]

Every time I come back to this channel there’s been at-least 1 person asking about genitalia in some shape or form.

[lyric cobalt]

I’m curious if it was ever established how elites reproduce

[low whale]

Fair enough lol

But yeah I don't think it's been said beyond egg laying

[lyric cobalt]

So they’re reptiles

Birds?

[left gazelle]

Not birds, but reptiles definitely.

[low whale]

They're aliens, they don't fit into those categories really

But close to reptiles

[left gazelle]

They're practically lizards

[low whale]

Oop got a warning for saying the s word

[left gazelle]

For simplicity sake

[modest quarry]

Their evolutionary counterparts would be lizards sure, but desert lizards. After all, Sanghelios is primarily a harsh desert like planet with caverns and caves.

But to classify them actually as lizards, it’s too simple. They’re depicted as a very unique and resilient race.

[left gazelle]

Well what other real world example are you going to find

The analogy of lizards serves its purpose in illustrating the reproductive process

[modest quarry]

Oh you’re still on about reproducing

[left gazelle]

Well that's what the whole conversation was discussing, so yes

Otherwise you would be correct

[modest quarry]

Sure

[low whale]

Reproduction varies a lot between reptiles anyway so it's not super helpful haha

[left gazelle]

[astral mason]

Wort wort wort

[low whale]

I see

[astral mason]

wort wort wort

I miss the old elite sounds

[coral swift]

Wort wort wort

[versed helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrHfdkY2V1M

[winter creek]

A

[sullen grotto]

A

[ornate hawk]

i would say the closest comparison to Elites would be monitor lizards

both live in hot habitats

both are fast for their size

both lay eggs and are carnivores

[tacit wasp]

Elites are like turtles 🤔🤔

[low whale]

nah I wouldn't put them very similar at all, closer to velociraptors or something than any modern reptiles

[ornate hawk]

nah the jackals are more like velociraptors if anything

kinda like a strange mix of velociraptor and bird

[low whale]

elites really don't have a good parallel haha

monitor lizards breathe with their neck muscles they're not much like an elite

[ornate hawk]

look i just say monitors were the closest comparison not a perfect one lol

[split heron]

balls

[sullen grotto]

wish theyd done more with escharum

[sullen grotto]

i agree

[split heron]

escharum served in HW2 he needed to die he seen too much

[sullen grotto]

escharum is a boomer

[split heron]

he didnt fight chief back then but he called himself the strongest like bruh 💀

[sullen grotto]

i wonder who'll control the banished now

[split heron]

the banished will die off like the covenant are now

get it?

die off?

[frigid oracle]

no

[frigid oracle]

probably another chieftain

like the grunt comms officer says

[sullen grotto]

is let volir still kickin? or did he die

[frigid oracle]

think hes alive

hes not really mentionned

but also i think the banished are gonna stick to brute leaders

[sullen grotto]

actually i forgot that campaign spoilers ||atriox is still alive||

[frigid oracle]

yeah but ||he seems disconnected from the rest of the banished ( legendary dialogue), if not then he'd 100% be leader||

[sullen grotto]

||i hope he comes back and is like "im back" because him just abandoning the banished seems so out of character||

[frigid oracle]

very true

||maybe he could be a boss fight for once||

[ornate hawk]

i mean there wasnt much more they could do with him

he was 90 years old, with the average lifespan of brutes being 80 years

[fair sparrow]

Mister Chief of course

[frigid oracle]

oh yes

mister chief will rule the planet

and the world and everything

[fast falcon]

The monologuing is annoying but I started to like him more when bits of his actual character shone through

There was one audio log where he talks about Doisac I think that was actually kinda touching

[terse lava]

He did have a rather unique view, seeing as he was an adult even by the time the Covenant found Doisac

We've only had that two other times. And he does seem to care about his people

[fast falcon]

I didn’t like Jega that much but Escharum’s relationship with him was really cool too, we haven’t seen an elite and a brute interact with respect like that in the games

I wonder if it wasn’t just the fact that he was dying that made him want to go out, but rather how he saw his own race pushed to near extinction now too that’s pushed him to want to die and to fire the ring

[lone spade]

||Atriox is still alive,so||

[frigid oracle]

spoiler tag

[lone spade]

Oh,sorry

[near tide]

That would never happen

[boreal current]

Wouldnt it have been funny if Vale mentioned the time she helped save the galaxy from being wiped out in response to Cortana bragging about "her spartans"

[near tide]

Which time

[boreal current]

The time she helped stop the Ark monitor from triggering the arrays in response to the Ark almost getting destroyed. It happened in Hunters in the Dark

[near tide]

Tbf the spartan II’s have stopped the array from being fired multiple times

[humble yacht]

really just chief

[near tide]

Still was Cortana’s Spartans

[boreal current]

That was the thing that bothered me about her speech. Didnt she only interact with the other spartan 2s on the way back to earth from the first Halo? It seems odd she's so attached to them. Also on the matter of chief he stopped them from firing twice i think

[fast falcon]

Tbf twice is I think the highest amount so far I the series, tied with the Arbiter there

[pliant sparrow]

So is earth still a thing or did chief saying, "All of it" when weapon asked about earth confirm that cortana glassed Earth.

[near tide]

She is made from Halseys brain

[lone spade]

The Covenat doesnt accept humans

Because the forerruners did choose the humans as their sucessors,but the covenant dont accept this,so they want to exterminate the humans

[near tide]

Only the prophets even knew that

The rest of the covenant were told it was because humans didn’t worship the forerunners

[indigo ingot]

The story of yiyap the grunt is quite sad

[lone spade]

And its strange because other races were heretics but also entered the covenant

[near tide]

Not all of them

Sangheili also worshipped forerunners

[indigo ingot]

He went in hiding with a spec ops elite and while the spec ops elite was sent to kill the demon yiyap loaded a ghost with a spare methane tank and a days worth of food onto a ghost and drove into the sunset away from the pillar of autumn and for the first time he felt true happiness, unfortunately it would be his last a few minutes later when the pillar of autumn blew up

[near tide]

Yayap*

[indigo ingot]

Yeah

They were sent into hiding cause the council would kill them if they failed to kill the chief twice so they changed their names

[pliant sparrow]

well they both went to the nipple academy

[indigo ingot]

If there were only 18 arbiters then why are there so many caskets in the mausoleum of the arbiter

[untold wasp]

Probably empty

*Some are

[unique rune]

...Where'd you get that there were only 18 Arbiters?

[tired terrace]

its probably reasonable to assume that many of those caskets are arbiters that predate the covenant