lore-and-universe

[leaden cypress]

Oh no

[spiral forge]

Since the manufacturer for it is the UNSC, so it's not like the cat ears and is just a joke type thing.

[leaden cypress]

Megawatt

[spiral forge]

What sorta purpose would a coating like that serve for a spartan?

Who knows!

That's the fun of it.

You can decide. :>

[leaden cypress]

Your genius is not understandable

Realising this has just made me realise we are stupid for falling for this, since it is not halo accurate or halo lore

[spiral forge]

No idea what you're on about but okay

[uneven pivot]

hello

[leaden cypress]

Hello

Care to join us in our convo that cat ears aren't halo accurate nor the Christmas skins?

Not that it's important but it's not halo, that's all

[split flax]

It’s not halo right.

But if halo wants to compete with other games, it needs cosmetics.

People now don’t want grimy cosmetics. They want tacky and bright. That’s the trend.

[unique rune]

The Christmas color coating is silly but is it really anymore offensive than people using weird color combos like seafoam green and rust?

And it's not like Halo is a stranger to silly and dumb armor permutations, like, oh, I dunno, the literal exposed human skull seated inside Reach's Haunted helmet.

[split flax]

True lmaoooo.... legendary flames.

[leaden cypress]

Wouldn't that be halo accurate? A Spartan losing his helmet and dying without it, minus the flames cayse that was cool

[split flax]

Multiplayer doesn’t have to be lore accurate.

[unique rune]

...How is that "accurate" in any way.

[leaden cypress]

Spartans death

[valid hemlock]

The halo 3 piece armor with the katanas on the back

[unique rune]

ah yes a literal skeleton is running around in power armor shooting at other colorful space marines

[leaden cypress]

:/

[left gazelle]

Hey maybe he's magical, you never know

[leaden cypress]

I see your point

[split flax]

Flames, because that was cool.

You just proved the point of why cosmetics are in the game.

[leaden cypress]

I'm sorry :(

[spiral forge]

Eh, to some extent it does, seeing as the H4-5 and Infinite MP is supposed to be war games training simulations

[leaden cypress]

My clan does do bct in one of the maps

The one with the 3 brute dummies

[split flax]

The premise behind multiplayer isn’t to be behind the lore though that’s what campaign is for.

[leaden cypress]

Yea ok

[spiral forge]

But to a degree it does have to be.

[fast falcon]

The war games detail is more of like a neat little connection they decided to make

[split flax]

^

[leaden cypress]

Training for the banish wacks

[fast falcon]

Especially since before then it was always just random Spartans murdering each other

[leaden cypress]

Lmao never heard it like that

[split flax]

Same for cod, does war zone have a lore and story line? Yes.

Do people still run around with bright pink clown outfits? Yes.

[spiral forge]

That's one of the things I really dislike about CoD nowadays.

I mean, don't get me wrong Halo has some wacky stuff too, but it at least tries to fit in.

But in Black Ops Cold War for example, half the skins they've released lately don't even look like they could've existed in the cold war. I'm not saying it has to blend in perfectly but at least make it not shatter immersion.

[split flax]

It’s how you make money tho

Why get rid of it if people are buying it

[spiral forge]

I'm sure they can do better than add a bunny suit. Which mind you, they did.

[split flax]

I’ve bought a bunch of dumb skins

Cause I think they’re funny and memey.

[fast falcon]

I hate it admittedly but that’s sadly become the dominant business model in gaming

[spiral forge]

The issue arises when that sorta stuff starts to influence how the game feels.

MW 2019 isn't even a modern shooter anymore

[split flax]

Content creators make money off of being comedians.

[spiral forge]

It's random arcade nonsense

[split flax]

What’s better than beating someone as a Santa Claus

[spiral forge]

Beating someone while keeping the stylistic integrity of the game?

[split flax]

Most would disagree though.

[spiral forge]

You can have silly things, but most games tend to take it way over the edge.

[split flax]

Want realism go to arma, which wishes they made as much money as cod.

[fast falcon]

You can still do that

[split flax]

But we’re off track here, mods gonna get mad

[spiral forge]

Uh...

CoD exists in the Halo universe!

There, back on track. :>

[dense pulsar]

CoD is canon to Halo

[split flax]

But I do understand what you’re saying dude, but we’re in the Tiktok fortnite generation now. Games gotta go with the trends

[dense pulsar]

Infinite Warfare is a Halo prequel

[leaden cypress]

Then why not make a game stand out?

Everyone complaint about bf2042 bot being close to what they were bringing out

[spiral forge]

Gonna go fire the Halo rings before they can make things worse brb

[leaden cypress]

Skins wise

[leaden cypress]

Want some help?

[dense pulsar]

It's more than just the skins. It's the personality of the operators

They're all cocky or make quips

When presumably they just came back from a warzone

AND

[leaden cypress]

So give them cocky and quips suits

[dense pulsar]

Their world is still very much in disarray

[vocal bolt]

But who plays cod yo get Immersed

[leaden cypress]

A skin with bulky as.our like George

[vocal bolt]

To*

[split flax]

People want just normal infantry as well that aren’t tacky.

It’s because they don’t have both, they only have straight tacky. No normalcy.

[dense pulsar]

Yea

I play Battlefield to feel like another cog in the machine, not a marvel character

[leaden cypress]

I love anything military or war wise

[vocal bolt]

Same

[leaden cypress]

But halo, the greatest thing all these years bringing stuff like vat ears is what's going to ruin multiplayer

[fast falcon]

That feels like a stretch

[unique rune]

I don't think the multiplayer is gonna be ruined by some guy who I can barely see through the gunfire wearing two little triangles on top of their helmet.

[fast falcon]

If anything the lack of customization beyond stuff you have to buy feels like it’ll do more damage to the game than the customizations themselves

[leaden cypress]

The stuff that follows the cat ears, like skins

Not the ears exactly

[unique rune]

If I had a nickel for every time someone claimed "[X feature] is going to kill Halo" I'd be able to buy out the franchise and run it into the ground myself.

[spiral forge]

I think events might be able to help. But they'll have to be far more common.

And provide more.

This Christmas event is going in the right direction with the utility thing and the shoulder pads.

Plus coatings.

And armor emblems and all that.

[leaden cypress]

I like the mark 6 B suit

[fast falcon]

I really think the challenges need to be reworked a lot

[leaden cypress]

Wish I could get all the stuff for that instead of the mark 7

[spiral forge]

I also think they should introduce more cores.

Like a regular Mk. V one.

Or a Mk. IV.

[leaden cypress]

What's the red team suit?

What Mark is it?

[unique rune]

Mk.IV

[leaden cypress]

Oooooh yea

I want one if them

[unique rune]

Er, well, it was.
Up until the events of HW2.

Now it's some sort of hybrid GEN1/GEN2 Mk.IV set.

[leaden cypress]

George isn't a variety isn't it?

[spiral forge]

Mk. IV gen 3 would probably look hella nice

[leaden cypress]

Like cat, Carter, emile

[unique rune]

what

[spiral forge]

I just hope they make the different sets easier to get.

[unique rune]

Jorge-052 is a Spartan-II, if that's what you're asking.

[leaden cypress]

No he's not a Spartan suit you can equip like the other 3

[unique rune]

Uh, no, there's an armor kit in Infinite for Jorge.

[leaden cypress]

Where do I get it?

[unique rune]

In the battle pass, probably

[leaden cypress]

That's what I was asking but ok

[spiral forge]

I really hope those classic armors are easier to come by than in H5.

I was so tired of seeing Mk. IV in that ugly sage green because the only people who had it were no-fun roleplayers.

I mean seriously it would've looked a million times better in any other color

White and blue preferably...

||Totally not because that's what I rocked||

[left gazelle]

Ok

[versed helm]

Well google didn't help me.

Yeah I got nothing from it.

[left gazelle]

Nobody would've been able to tell you anything more outside of "a few million" anyway.

[versed helm]

Just you wait, someone here will have it down to the exact number.

[left gazelle]

Well, good luck with that

You don't think that same person would've edited the Halopedia site with their newfound information?

[cinder tide]

Quick question, what year did Master Chief get kidnapped and whatnot?

[unique rune]

John and the other Spartan-II candidates were abducted in 2517.

[hushed seal]

Could someone explain why Master Chief was in the cryopod at the end of Halo Reach? I never read Fall of Reach so I was just curious, considering he probably wasnt on the autumn for that long and having to be woken up anyways later

[versed helm]

Non-canonical appereance.

Just an easter egg not involved in the lore other than being on the Autumn.

[hushed seal]

ah okay, then how long was he in the cryopod?

[versed helm]

Uhh

I forgor

[versed helm]

19 days.

[hushed seal]

makes sense

I wonder why tho lol

[versed helm]

Slipspace travel isn't an instant travel.

Long travels in slipspace take over 6 months but are of a very great and big range.

[hushed seal]

hm yea
idk I guess Keyes or MC didnt want Chief to be awake and decided yea you get to go sleep while everyone else has to be up and do their job lol

[fossil hollow]

so how do the cat ears fit in the lore it just seems random for a manufacturer to make that sort of stuff

[hardy drift]

money

[glacial oracle]

At best I can imagine its purpose is something to do with audio that the Spartan receives but beyond that idk

[tulip moss]

Nope just money

[leaden cypress]

That actually makes sense

[glacial oracle]

S H

[tulip moss]

Lmao hi guys what are we talking about

[leaden cypress]

Cat ears

Now

[glacial oracle]

Purrfect Audio

[novel barn]

UwU

[plush axle]

OwO

[novel barn]

oωo

[unique rune]

The short version is that they pretty much don’t. Just a not-really-canon customization option that exists for fun.

[rare plover]

the way i see it in lore there's these items and our spartans can like "request" them to be fitted in the armor and since it might not be a big deal the armorer is like "yeah sure whatever" and puts it on

atleast thats how I justify alot in my headcanon

[autumn shale]

What's the reason behind the different gear marines use in halo 4

[versed helm]

Maybe the gear evolved over the time

[unique rune]

New post-War BDU. Not like their gear was consistent over the course of the Bungie Halo titles either.

[versed helm]

Will we ever see blue team in infinite because an audio log between halsey and laskey talks about them

[unique rune]

Only 343 knows at this point.

[versed helm]

Ok

[wise bone]

Surprisingly we have been copying cats irl for a while. There are new eye surgery techniques that replicates cats natrual night vision. Not perfect mind you but my gf left the eye doctor able to see better in the dark. So you'll be surpised what we can learn from cats besides spartan cat girls

[fossil hollow]

the unsc started using nano tech to create armore spartan and marine

[unique rune]

That's... not true in the slightest.

[wise bone]

Halo infinite's armor was forged. They made a trailer about it.

While on the subject of that, i have a question. The video of master queefs armor was molded and then placed in a room full of speakers. Do we have any detailed lore about how the newer spartan armor (gen3) was made?

[unique rune]

Doesn't seem like there's been anything aside from the Step Inside teaser.

[tidal imp]

Spartan-IV: Yeah I’d like to request my armor come with cat ears

Requisitions: Sure, let me just write that down

Call Jun about psychological recruitment standards

[rare plover]

:D

[wise bone]

jun enters the office but isnt in the same room as requisition guy

Jun: oh hey, i heard you need to talk about something?

Req: Yeah, i just feel like there too many spartans asking for cat ears looks out door to see jun

Jun: i see no problem with it jun is wearing cat ears

[ancient dawn]

Nonsense his core isn't compatible :abom:

[wise bone]

Who said he's wearing armor?

I didn't 😉

[versed helm]

Can someone help me understanding the end of Halo 2 connecting to halo 3? I'm guessing Halo 3 begins when Chief jumps off the ship he was on at the end of 2?

[versed helm]

Well the reality is that this 'requests' exists but they are in nearly all occations never done. If a spartan is assigned an armor set, this one will stay with the armor until this one is assigned another, as I said, they can request another armor but this request will in most cases never be accepted.

'sir i don't like my Recruit armor, can i have a commando one?'

'no'

[unique rune]

More or less, yes, 3 starts with Chief departing from the Forerunner keyship. Though there’s actually about a month’s time between the end of Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3

[versed helm]

A month full of Chief beating Jiralhanae to death, a good month where he had to fight opponents who were pretty dumb but stronger and as fast as him.

Oh huh okay! I understand

Was just a bit confused by the abrupt ending lol

[versed helm]

Wait nevermind, it lasted 9 days.

Thankyouu

Chief was stuck inside that ship fighting covies during 9 days.

Shiittt

[unique rune]

Oh, huh, I must’ve gotten my times mixed up.

[fast falcon]

So here’s something I’m curious about and would like to see what others would say, but who are the five strongest/best aliens fighters in the Halo series. So not counting Spartans or other humans, just Covenant races

[gilded mason]

Rtas would be up there, most likely. Possibly Rojka as well. Only based on the few aliens we see do stuff.

[fast falcon]

Thel is def top 5, Rtas is likely too. I’d say Atriox and Tartarus too for sure

[versed helm]

I've skipped to the Mission Floodgate where you're trying to find the crashed ship in Halo 3 has I've played through it a bit earlier this year, I'm not skipping any plot points am I? Can't remember

[unique rune]

Not much other than the Chief crashing on Earth and then blowing up an anti-air gun before Truth activates the portal and the Flood-infected cruiser shows up.

Sierra 117, Crow’s Nest, and The Storm don’t contribute much to the plot individually and really didn’t need to be full separate missions.

[wise bone]

I would say Fal 'Chavamee might be up there, one of the best swordsmen of his time and able to best the #2, at the cost of his own life.

Rtas 'Vadumee and Bero 'Kusovai are also top contenders for this aswell since they are modern sword masters.

[spiral jewel]

While we don't know much about the Covenant fringe... is it possible that there were some species that happened to be aquatic and or amphibious in nature , but were able to live on land.

(Think something along the lines of the Mon Calamari, Nautolans , Quarren, Selkath and the Karkarodon for example)

[astral mason]

where spartan locke

[worldly iron]

So watching Nightfall and the dude Lockes team chases in the beginning who trades for the bomb, I wasnt aware there is other alien species outside of the Covenant?

I mean species that werent shown in the covenant.

[unique rune]

For the most part we've only ever seen the 'core' client species of the Covenant.

Yonhet like Axl are part of what was considered the Covenant fringe, which hasn't really been explored much.

[worldly iron]

Right his species never been shown much so I didn't even know they existed till I watched that film recently.

[stable brook]

Has there been any forerunners that fell for one of their creations?

❤️

[versed helm]

foreigners

[stable brook]

Ohh that makes sense@versed helm

[hollow island]

yo where locke at?

[mental plover]

Ded ded

[stable brook]

What how?

[solemn otter]

Just finished reading Cryptum today. The precursor's face description somewhat matched the Harbinger. Could the Harbinger be a precursor or related to them?

[spring lodge]

Not necessarily dead; just lost his armor is all

[leaden cobalt]

It's believed that he lost his armor in a battle with Hyperius

[spring marten]

He dead

To me atleast

[left gazelle]

You're entitled to your opinion

[gaunt smelt]

what do you guys think is in the cylixes in the post credits scene'

of infinit

[quartz garnet]

Could Arbiter beat Chief?

Cause of the response to Lock being able to go toe to toe with Chief and not much of a negative one when Atriox beat him

I was wondering what other characters would lore-wise be able to defeat Chief

Like Physically

Didact and Gravemind are there obviously

[gaunt smelt]

maybe?

[buoyant blaze]

https://youtu.be/_-DmQlP14GQ?list=PLhmZKofvYQDadTxS6yBxrKdrxHyfvu5pT&t=214

Does this have anything to do with the available chest armors from the shop?

[gritty gazelle]

Fred, Kelly in some situations, Linda in certain situations, imo Kurt and as controversial as it is I believe 6 could

[ocean dirge]

idk man why would a brute just make his helmet part of his armor i’m pretty sure he uses it as a trophy and if so he or someone else probably killed him

[unique rune]

Yeah, the chest accessory is a reference to Daisy-023’s bear charm thing.

[buoyant blaze]

Thanks for the reply! I haven't followed any of the halo lore, just something I'd found poking about on youtube

[leaden cobalt]

There was a megacontrux set that had Locke in his nightfall attire and besides Locke himself is a professional assassin like Hyperius I could easily see where I Hyperius could respect that and let him live

[leaden cobalt]

That Halo Legends was sad tbh, but they better have 1337 charm piece next time😂

[stable brook]

Just found out John had a thing for a.i i wonder what led to that..

it was Craig

[hasty lotus]

HI

[tidal imp]

Were it so easy

[sweet fractal]

What is rope made of?

[buoyant blaze]

Nylon rope is made of Nylon 😄

[sweet fractal]

Oh really?????

It's totally not in the name

[buoyant blaze]

Shouldn't you be asking yourself what type of rope it is?

[sweet fractal]

I did for like an hour

[gusty star]

??

[swift seal]

Found out where??

[humble yacht]

nowhere. it's not true

[spare turtle]

Can some explain the lore up to infinite for me

[leaden cobalt]

I wish I could send an image, but just search up mega contrux ho agent Locke

[gusty star]

No it was just your message was so grammatically unsound that it was impossible to infer any message from it

[strong tinsel]

Yes

[somber cobalt]

The didact, technically. it was cortana's rampancy that won the fight

[swift seal]

That’s what I was hoping lol

[gusty star]

Probably Castor, Das Bhasvod, Atriox, Thel 'Vadam, Xytan 'Jar 'Wattinree, Inslaan 'Gadogai, etc.

[somber cobalt]

I would love to see a bout between chief and the arbiter

[worldly iron]

Atriox did beat him 1 on 1

[spring elbow]

well master chief is not that strong .. hes only lucky and well trained

[gusty star]

Ik im just stating those that can beat him

[fast falcon]

I mean Spartan IIs are pretty strong all things considered

And pure strength isn’t all that matters in a fight. I’d rather be will trained than strong any day

[gilded mason]

I'd include Rtas in that list as well.

[gaunt smelt]

cough cough plot armor cough cough

[spring elbow]

yes

[fast falcon]

Nah Spartan IIs mentally are complete war machines

Like their entire mentality is to be driven to win and complete their objective

[gaunt smelt]

legit whenever cortan reffers to chief's "luck" she jjust means his plot armor

[shy niche]

Wait
Canonically, how long did Noble 6 fight after Noble team died? Some say three hours, some say days, weeks even

[gaunt smelt]

i dunno

[gilded mason]

The game literally has a timestamp during the mission. Just a few hours.

[gaunt smelt]

💀

[shy niche]

Oh

[spring elbow]

thats why they have AIs .. cuz all they can do is to kill others .. but they there is normal life and they can't do that

3 hours is still long time considering he is fighting the whole army alone

[fast falcon]

Uhhh the AIs are meant to make them deadlier, not more human

[mental plover]

cough cough luck cough cough

[spring elbow]

to keep them mental stable

[fast falcon]

In fact they didn’t all have AIs, they rarely carried one and only when a mission required it

[fast falcon]

That’s not the point of the AIs. Chief was one of the few Spartans who carried an AI so often. Most of the time they don’t have AIs on them

[gilded mason]

Well, we have no idea if he was fighting all that time. He could have simply been trying to be stealthy until he finally got cornered at the time of the epilogue.

[fast falcon]

Cortana was given to chief not as a mental aid, but to be a hacker and guide during operation red flag

[spring elbow]

yes

[spring elbow]

does that mean my knowledge is false ?

[fast falcon]

Yeah

Very rarely did a Spartan carry an AI

[spring elbow]

😩

[fast falcon]

And a point of their training was to turn them into that mentality, so having an AI designed to do the exact opposite for their mentality seems counter productive

[gaunt smelt]

its called plot armor bruv

[mental plover]

luck

[gilded mason]

In-suit AI were simply to help out tactically, give better reactions times, and be a portable, well, AI. And Cortana was given to John in that situation simply because it'd be tactically expedient during RED FLAG

[fast falcon]

^

[gaunt smelt]

so say for an elite fireteam there'd be one smart ai for all 4?

[fast falcon]

Basically an AI is meant to increase their effectiveness on the field and help coordinate with any other parts of the plan

[gaunt smelt]

sort of like dot for noble team?

[fast falcon]

Cortana just happened to end up helping John mentally by giving him an emotional attachment that wasn’t another war machine

[spring elbow]

cool

[fast falcon]

It depends on the situation and mission. Dot I’m not sure if she was only assigned to Noble team or if she handled other things(plus it’s worth noting she was a dumb AI compared to Cortana, a smart AI)

And Dot was only like mission command for them, she wasn’t on the field or in any of their armour

[leaden cobalt]

Smart Ai's are also way more versatile when it comes to being able to handle tasks out of their field like Isabella during Halo Wars 2

[spare turtle]

Is the flood dlc from Halo wars 2 canon

It probably isn't but I know nothing about the Halo lore

[brisk sage]

ATTENTION: This is lore now. MUAHAHAHAhahahahaha
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/ro3655/friend_and_i_constantly_debate_which_is_better/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[fast falcon]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be

[past marlin]

Its canon that Master Chief's mother was a catgirl

[potent garnet]

Hey guys, anyone able to tell me how many Spartans are left?

[quick slate]

like total?

[potent garnet]

A rough estimate. I'd assume not many Spartans are left, especially 4s due to what info was given in audio logs

And campaign

[cosmic zinc]

some got left behind on reach. its assumed palmer was left behind as well.

[quick slate]

All i know there are about 2-3 Spartan Is left

For Spartan IIs i would say somewhere under 20~

[cosmic zinc]

11

[potent garnet]

Oh I was a little confused on what you meant lol. Not horrible but kinda sad to think about imo. I assume 4s are just... Gone

[quick slate]

what about Red Team and Omega?

wait

[cosmic zinc]

Red team, Gray team, Blue team, and Naomi

[quick slate]

is Omega Canon?

[potent garnet]

3s were basically suicide IE Lives traded for time?

[cosmic zinc]

iirc thats all the remaining II's.

[ashen atlas]

They’re still being trained. I’m pretty sure your multiplayer Spartans are canon as well

[quick slate]

Omega team is online, 14~ Spartan IIs

[potent garnet]

Ah that's true, is our Spartans considered 4s?

[ashen atlas]

Yea

[potent garnet]

I'd assume yes

[quick slate]

Sim Spartan IVs

For all i know

[potent garnet]

How many would you think that put Spartan 4s? If they were Spartans in training?

[cosmic zinc]

i missed omega but i thought that team was just 3

[quick slate]

they are spartan IIs

[potent garnet]

I like the lore but not very caught up on it and love Halo in general. I appreciate the info y'all

[cosmic zinc]

no i meant 3 spartans

[quick slate]

ANd they are comprised of 3 current members

Robert, August and Leon

14 Spartan IIs + 2-3 Spartan Is

[cosmic zinc]

where was this?

[quick slate]

wdym?

[cosmic zinc]

like where did you find this info? what book or game. I dont recall Omega being that large

[quick slate]

your number, 11 + Omega, 3 = 14???

[quick slate]

??

[cosmic zinc]

oh LOL. i thought you were saying omega team was 14 members

yes haha

[quick slate]

Oh ahahaha

I checked wiki and there are 3 ORION candidates alive

That we know of

[spring lodge]

It’s The Endless in yhe cylixes

[quick slate]

Then you have about 330 alive spartan IIIs

and then you have atleast 300 Spartan IVs

500+ At the most

So you dont have many spartans to work with really

840~ Spartans currently alive if you takr it to the highest @potent garnet

[potent garnet]

Ah thanks for the info!

[cosmic zinc]

a lot died in 6 months vs the banished ofc and not all were on the infinity obviously

[quick slate]

Fun fact: Without Noble Team's sacrifice on Reach, the world wouldve been infected by the flood!

[potent garnet]

Also to include what Cortana did

[quick slate]

Leonidas go kabom

[cosmic zinc]

yeah 74 trainees and possibly jun... 😦

[quick slate]

Lets hope not

[cosmic zinc]

agreed

[quick slate]

766 spartans left after that?

[cosmic zinc]

i dont know if they are counted in official numbers due to trainee status

[mental marsh]

Does anyone know how many Spartans there are before infinite

[quick slate]

lets keep it at 840~

[quick slate]

@mental marsh

[mental marsh]

Ye thanks

[cosmic zinc]

purely an estimate tho

no official numbers afaik

[quick slate]

What doea afaik mean

Im not internet smaer

[cosmic zinc]

as far as i know

[quick slate]

ah

Its abit saddening that 14~ spartan IIs are left now

[cosmic zinc]

lot better numbers then i would have thought after over 40 years

[quick slate]

They had 33 after the augmentations, correct?

[cosmic zinc]

yeah 75 candidates and its said about half died. We have 33 named iirc.

[potent garnet]

I feel like Spartan 4s are the last Spartans tbh

Unless some major big enemy pops up, more serious than flood boi

[quick slate]

they are what the ORION Project was supposed to be

[potent garnet]

Spartan 4s are willing and picked from the ranks aren't they?

[quick slate]

And also, Spartan IIIs were near on par with Spartan IIs, just that the UNSC didnt care to spend enough money on equipment

[rose coral]

The Spartans 4 were just made to mop up the rest of the covenant

While chief was stranded

[quick slate]

Spartan IVs are basically what tbe ORION Project goal was

[potent garnet]

Mhmm

[quick slate]

They arent the best of spartans, but they are still leagues better than your average soldier

[rose coral]

They’re just easier to produce that’s all

[quick slate]

So basically

Spartan IVs are adult volunteers across different branches of the UNSC

[potent garnet]

I mean, safer and more advanced augmentation

Compared to what IIs went through

Or

[quick slate]

Safer, but not better

[potent garnet]

Not more advanced ig

[potent garnet]

Safer yes

[unique rune]

33 survived the initial wave of augmentations, though some of the washouts were later rehabilitated and then reaugmented successfully like Jerome, Douglas, and Alice.

[quick slate]

BUT their armor and equipment were made to compensate

[potent garnet]

If I remember correctly they rely on armor a lot more than 2s

[potent garnet]

That's right, thank you

[quick slate]

So is 14~ Spartan IIs alive a good number?

[quick slate]

IIs and IIIs were very alike, IIIs couldve surpassed IIs IF they were given better armor and equipment

but money budget haha

[potent garnet]

They were just lives to buy time weren't they? IIIs that is

And money

[quick slate]

There are 330~ Alive

[potent garnet]

Yeah but two whole companies were sent on suicide missions

[rose coral]

Anyone else excited for the Rubicon Protocol?

[quick slate]

"Make units better with new technology. Make more of them. And make then cheaper."

[potent garnet]

Alpha and Beta companies were both destroyed par the ones pulled out

[potent garnet]

I'm not disagreeing they were suppose to be cheaper

[quick slate]

600~ Spartan IIIs were sent to suicide missions, and died

[potent garnet]

But they were also sent on suicide missions

[potent garnet]

Mhmm

[quick slate]

Plus Noble Team, 606

Thom was a member of noble

[potent garnet]

I mean, imagine this, if they weren't sent out on suicide missions... Would it be a better outcome or worse?

Did those missions accomplish what UNSC wanted?

[quick slate]

Reach probably wouldnt have fallen as fast

[potent garnet]

True

[quick slate]

BUT it was doomed from the start

[quick slate]

ONI wanted them to do so to stop Inurrectionists

I think?

nope

Covenant

[potent garnet]

I thought it was to buy time against the covvies

Yeah

[quick slate]

Alpha and Beta died against the Covenant

Spartan IIIs - "Disposable Heroes"

[potent garnet]

Ye

[unique rune]

Probably not. The missions that Alpha and Beta Companies had been sent on were considered critical to humanity’s survival and would’ve been nearly impossible otherwise.

As much as the deaths of around 600 Spartans sounds like a waste, it probably would’ve taken thousands of regular UNSC personnel if they hadn’t sent off the -IIIs.

[tidal imp]

The III missions were suicidal to the point of wiping out the companies (mostly)

But they did accomplish their goals

[fast falcon]

And many of those operations may not have even been doable with so many soldiers and needed a small team

[potent garnet]

Well atleast they were lost for no reason

[tidal imp]

They weren’t lost for no reason

The UNSC were that desperate

The missions the IIIs went on were considered ‘must accomplish’

[potent garnet]

Yeah

I know what you mean

It's a sacrifice that was needed

[tidal imp]

Some IIIs were however pulled from their companies for demonstrating outstanding skill or talent

And were used in special teams or assignments

Like the Headhunters

Or Noble Team

Those get Mjolnir

[potent garnet]

And I mean 600 for potential thousands and still accomplish the mission at hand

[tidal imp]

The IIIs were desperation Spartans though

[potent garnet]

Yeah

[tidal imp]

The IIs were the dirty secret that became heroes for fighting the Covenant, and the UNSC would prefer no one actually asks why they existed before Harvest

Or who they recruited

The Is, Orion Project, was an expensive and unsuccessful/underwhelming experiment

The IVs are the Orion Project but public, and with the knowledge of the other Spartans to avoid the pitfalls of failed augmentations

(Except for that first batch of IVs, where too much augmentation was done)

[potent garnet]

Uh I don't know the history on first batch, I'd have to look that up

[tidal imp]

First project is under ORION

Sergeant Johnson was a member

https://www.halopedia.org/ORION_Project

[potent garnet]

Oh

Yeah

Okay

[leaden cobalt]

Ilsa Zane flashbacks

[tidal imp]

Aka, why other Spartans are told their bones are now nearly unbreakable

Because the walking science experiment got the actually insanely unbreakable bones

And crippling psychosis

[leaden cobalt]

I kind of wish we got more of Ilsa tbh

I would have preferred if Halo 5 had been a spin-off where fire team Osiris had to hunt her instead along with innies

[spare turtle]

Are Spartan strike and assault Canon?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[spare turtle]

If I played every Halo game in chronological order (even the spin-offs) which order would I play them in

[fast falcon]

Halo Wars, Halo Reach, Halo CE, Halo 2(up until the mission the Arbiter), Halo ODST, finish Halo 2, Halo 3, Spartan Assault, Halo 4, Wars 2 and 5 are concurrent I think, and then Infinite

Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake

[potent garnet]

Where does 4 fit in?

Or does it just not

[fast falcon]

Edited, accidentally put 5 instead of 4

[potent garnet]

Ah!

Fair

Is Wars 2 worth it?

[fast falcon]

Well how do you feel about RTS’?

[unique rune]

Wars 2 is set a few months after 5, but otherwise I think that order would be correct

[potent garnet]

I loved the first one

[fast falcon]

I think you might enjoy it then. Gameplay wise it’s good, I feel it lacks a few smaller elements that Wars 1 had and doesn’t have as diverse a story, but it’s still entertaining and I think works good as an introduction of Atriox

[potent garnet]

Alright I'll check it out, thanks

[tidal imp]

Save image as…

Also weird place to advertise, in the lore channel

[dawn knot]

@fair hazel

[unique rune]

No

The Great Schism doesn’t happen until the events of Halo 2

[hushed seal]

1337 isnt canon so it doesnt really matter

[worthy sleet]

So the fact that the master chief got his armor modified by nanotech is now inaccurate right?

[leaden cobalt]

You mean in Halo 4?? Pretty sure that's the only time his armor was modified by nano technology, but not sure of if it's now not canon

[gaunt smelt]

odd, those symbols dont look like the endless but ok

[leaden cobalt]

Anyone else forget Jul' Mudama's covenant was a thing or how becuz of Halo 4 and 5's art style there were more races to the Kig-Yar, Unggoy, and Sangheli?

[glacial oracle]

As far as I know Jul' Mudama's covenant is simply the entirety of the covenant now... or whatever is left of it anyway.

As for the race additions, there has been multiple Kig-Yar races since Halo Reach and i was unaware of different Ungoggy or Sangehli races.

[leaden cobalt]

Basically the Unggoy and Sangheli designs from Halo 4 and 5 lore wise became their own races within the spieces since they are remarkably different in design

[glacial oracle]

Ahhhhh im on the same page. Just misunderstood what you were initially saying. It was strang that they brought it and switched it out again but im happy with the final change. While i didn't mind th previous designs I do prefer this one.

[leaden cobalt]

Same

I def prefer classic elite designs and Halo Wars 2 to Infinite's😭

[vast edge]

Did the Weapon really have the audacity to name herself "Cortana" after the original did so many many atrocities including a genocide?

[gilded mason]

Don't worry, turns out she's really gonna name herself Anatorc. 😎

[glacial oracle]

She didnt give her name.

[vast edge]

It was heavily implied. After Cortana gave Weapon her blessing, Weapon looked at Master Chief for permission when considering a name for herself

[unique rune]

I mean, it didn’t really imply anything to me.

Her name is still pretty much open ended at this point.

[glacial oracle]

Not at all, the root of the theory is misconception. The Weapon was asking Master chief for permission to name herself not to adopt Cortanas name. This ties back to how Cortana chose her own name

[untold wasp]

it is most likely cortana tho

[glacial oracle]

Really isn't ngl

[unique rune]

Yeah, I don’t think there was much evidence that would suggest that.

I don’t think she’d want to name herself Cortana either considering what happened in the campaign anyway.

[glacial oracle]

Unlike Cortana, the weapon almost always asked Chief to do something before doing it. This is because despite being a clone of Cortana the two are different. The act of choosing her own name parallel to Cortana merely represents her becoming a individual and breaking away from cortana. Not going toward sher.

[vast edge]

Ok we can all agree that Weapon is a retcon of Cortana

[glacial oracle]

yas

[untold wasp]

👍

[unique rune]

Uh. How?

[vast edge]

People hated Cortana in H5

And she was meant to replace Cortana

Ezparza: "What do we call you?"
Chief: "Any ideas?"
Weapon: "Well..."
Weapon: [Looks to Chief] "Do you think it would be OK...?"
Chief: [Nods]
[Music builds]
Weapon: "...You sure?"
Chief: "You get to choose your name"
Weapon: [To Ezparza] "....I think I might have the perfect one"
Ezparza: "Aright! Here we go!" [He still doesn't know her name but goes along with it as if this is how a conversation goes]

How is this not implying that She chose "Cortana" as her name?

[unique rune]

Because none of the dialogue suggests that she picked Cortana?

“I might have the perfect one” doesn’t mean anything other than that she feels pretty comfortable with whatever she picked

After her existential crisis and attempt at self-deletion when she learned she was a copy of Cortana, I seriously doubt she’d want to try to make herself seem as similar to the original at all.

If anything she’d want to distance herself from the original as much as possible. Taking on her name would be the last thing she’d want to do with that in mind

[vast edge]

What other options would their be? The art of storytelling is to "Show don't tell". They have been showing us that Weapon is a retcon of Cortana throughout the campaign. And I agree it's strange how she was horrified to learn that she is he same as cortana and then want to take on Cortana's mantle

[unique rune]

People hated Cortana in H5
And she was meant to replace Cortana
That’s… not really a retcon. Retcon would imply her existence is somehow changing some previously established info.
The Weapon is a retread of elements of Cortana, sure, but she’s pretty distinctively not altering anything about the latter’s backstory.

What other options would their be?
Even a semi-competent creative team could come up with a whole lot of things.

The Weapon doesn’t retcon anything (at least anything major) about Cortana. What the campaign shows us is that she’s supposed to be a second chance for the Chief and even the original Cortana to make things right and not repeat previous mistakes.

[spring spindle]

the only way chief could not repeat previous mistakes with this new cortana is by deleting her when he's told to this time

[tidal imp]

Chief didn’t stop the deletion

The Weapon did

[fast falcon]

I thought that was Cortana who blocked it at first ngl

I thought she said something about disabling her deletion protocol when Atriox deployed the weapon and she set up everything else

Also on the convo earlier about her name. I don’t want it to be Cortana but I’ll admit I think there’s a chance it is, just with how vague the convo is set up

[boreal current]

What do you guys think of the insurrection? I understand their goals but I think their priorities(and timing) and general attitude needs work

[fast falcon]

I feel it’s a little hard to give a blanket statement on the insurrection because I don’t think they’re really one united group, just a variety of groups fighting against the UNSC without connection

[tidal imp]

There are many insurrection groups

And most of them stopped fighting the UNSC when the Covenant made it clear early on they would eradicate all humans

After the war was when the Insurrection came up in force again

Also many Insurrection groups tried the peaceful approach already with the UEG

[fast falcon]

I feel the fact that since so many different groups rose up without coordination against the UEG definitely implies that they were doing something really wrong

[tidal imp]

Anyone who led any coordination tended to disappear

The UNSC took very proactive measures

Project Orion and the Spartan-IIs were not made for the Covenant

[gilded mason]

I think he meant that since they all rose up independently, it shows that the UEG really dropped the ball fairly universally in care for the Outer Colonies

[tidal imp]

Oh that

[boreal current]

I just find a lot of the groups tend to be overly smug and I think they should have waited until humanity has fully recovered and the many covenant splinter groups have been dealt with before resuming their campaign(that said i know it makes strategic sense). Dont get me started on the idiots who tried allying with the covenant

[gilded mason]

In their defense, at least it was at the very start before they really knew that wanted all humans dead

[tidal imp]

If one wanted to split off, post-war chaos was the time to make the move. The UNSC would never tolerate it afterwards. Plus the Covenant splinters were receptive to alliances and trading

The Covenant at first weren’t known to be fully genocidal. Very quickly afterwards when the Insurrection groups tried to make contact did they learn that, and go all in with UNSC defense

Many UNSC recruits were ex-insurrection

[spring spindle]

I'm talking about waaaaay back in H4 when he was told to hand her over for final dispensation or whatever

and he straight up said
"no"

[twilit nacelle]

Ugh, Del Rio

[tidal imp]

Which is also why there are even Spartan-IVs with insurrection sympathies. (Records being spotty post-war means even ONI couldn’t filter out all recruits from insurrectionists.)

[spring spindle]

i hate del rio too, but bottom line is none of this stuff would probably be happening with the banished if chief had just listened to everyone telling him his old AI was dangerous (which turned out to be true)

[tidal imp]

Without Cortana in that case, the Didact would have composed Earth

[twilit nacelle]

Exactly

[tidal imp]

Del Rio was not going to try to stop him

Until getting back to earth

When it would be too late

[twilit nacelle]

People always seem to forget that. Cortana was instrumental in defeating the Didact

[spring spindle]

maybe, maybe chief would've found a way to do it without her. plot armor is pretty strong

[twilit nacelle]

In fact, Cortana’s rampancy specifically is the only reason Chief survived

[tidal imp]

Chief would either be still on the Infinity, or left behind with no AI to do any hacking

Which he needed to interface with Forerunner equipment

[boreal current]

Or if Chief, Johnson and the Arbiter took a single dropships worth of backup if only so they could fly back to the forward unto dawn rather than drive through an overly convenient path

[spring spindle]

i don't really buy that. chief has accomplished plenty without cortana. i don't believe she was reason he was able to defeat the didact

[tidal imp]

Chief can do a lot of things

Hacking into networks is not one of those things

[spring spindle]

other AI can

it's not like they would've dispensed cortana and left chief with no AI

[tidal imp]

There is no other AI he could have access to on his own

[tidal imp]

Del Rio totally would

[twilit nacelle]

Chief was being force choked and dangled over a slipspace portal by the Didact. It was Cortana’s rampant fragments who were able to distract and restrict the Didact long enough for Chief to break free

[tidal imp]

They only have Roland as smart AI, and he’s the Infinity AI

[spring spindle]

who knows if the battle would've ended up in the same situation had cortana been deleted back on the inifinity

[twilit nacelle]

There’s no denying that Chief is powerful and capable on his own. But the Chief and Cortana duo is capable of so much more

[spring spindle]

i'm sure there are other smart AI besides Cortana and Roland in the UNSC?

[tidal imp]

Not on board the Infinity

When it was out there

[spring spindle]

i mean we can send data across the solar system today... doubt it would be hard to transfer an AI ship to ship...

[tidal imp]

Smart AI are very rare

[twilit nacelle]

You can’t argue against what we see happen with just complete hypotheticals though

[tidal imp]

They had NO communications

[boreal current]

What are the odds of the Didact appearing later on in Infinite?

[lone spade]

Didact canonically die on a halo comic

[spring spindle]

i mean the idea that the only way chief could've possibly won is with cortana is kind of a stretch, hence the use of hypotheticals

[spring spindle]

true

idk, maybe stick roland in his head

[tidal imp]

Del Rio would never allow that

They need Roland for the ship

[spring spindle]

well del rio didn't "allow" him to walk off with cortana either

[tidal imp]

Chief isn’t in a position to take Roland

[twilit nacelle]

Chief wouldn’t be able to steal Roland by force

Even Lasky would be like “hold up now”

[tidal imp]

Chief already had Cortana

[spring spindle]

I mean there's an awful lot of claims of what chief "can't" do in here right now lol

[tidal imp]

And the Infinity needs Roland

It’s one thing for the crew to decide to ignore Del Rio wanting to arrest Chief. It’s another to not stop the unlawful theft of a shipboard AI

[lusty ferry]

Roland’s probably one of the most important AIs in the galaxy rn the infinity would never let masterchief walk off w him, like ever.

[spring spindle]

not saying it would be logical for him to walk up into the infinity and rip out their ai

but i'm saying if he had to get rid of his AI and had nothing else to work with, i'm sure they would've figured something out

maybe a temporary stay in his head

or a make a copy or something

[lusty ferry]

Chief can operate just fine w/o an AI

[spring spindle]

thats what i originally said

[tidal imp]

But he cannot hack systems

[twilit nacelle]

You can’t just make a copy of a smart AI if I’m correct

[boreal current]

Are you talking about Escalation? Wasnt Chief not convinced he was dead? Also apparently someone from 343 confirmed he was alive. Actually just checked and according to the wiki he's imprisoned in the domain(the source is a Halo 5 toy)

[tidal imp]

It’s even established in the intro of Halo Infinite

[tidal imp]

Correct

[lusty ferry]

Lmao. Reminds me of the first mission of halo infinite

[tidal imp]

Exactly

And that was just a Banished ship system

A smart AI would be very necessary for Forerunner systems

[twilit nacelle]

Unrelated but I always forget that Chief is literally an evolved human after 4

[spring spindle]

he was doing fine with no AI on the Ark all throughout H3

[twilit nacelle]

He never had to fight a Forerunner on the Ark

[tidal imp]

He didn’t need to hack anything for that

[boreal current]

Guilty Spark helped

[spring spindle]

i guess doors were just opening for him because they were afraid of spartans then?

oh yeah

[tidal imp]

Because Guilty Spark opened them

[twilit nacelle]

He had marines, elites and the Arbiter with him at most times and Guilty Spark helped

[spring spindle]

ok so opening doors he probably needs an AI

shooting forerunners in the face, i don't think so

[twilit nacelle]

Has that even been elaborated on besides his immunity to being composed?

[tidal imp]

That’s sort of an important reason to have an AI

You can’t shoot a forerunner in the face if you can’t get to him

[spring spindle]

i mean i'm sure explosives do about the same thing

the banished figured out how to blast through forerunner metal with that laser cannon thing

they didn't need AI

[boreal current]

Didnt they have help from the Harbinger for that?

[tidal imp]

That mining laser is certainly not portable for Chief

[spring spindle]

i'd also be willing to bet it's not the only tool capable of doing it

i'm sure they could make it smaller

[tidal imp]

And how much time do you think the UNSC has to do so?

When Didact shows up and starts Composing Earth

[twilit nacelle]

Again, hypotheticals aren’t great arguments against observable events in the universe

[spring spindle]

it's the 2560s, I doubt R&D takes very long at that point in the future

[toxic gulch]

Bassus was a pretty cool chieftan

[tidal imp]

You know what doesn’t take long to do?

Compose Earth

[spring spindle]

you're missing my point. if there is something capable of opening forerunner doors without AI, then chief does not need AI.

period

he figures it out

[tidal imp]

What can open doors faster than an AI, and is man portable?

[spring spindle]

that's like his whole thing

[lusty ferry]

The forerunner’s had automatic sliding doors

[spring spindle]

no matter how hard the odds are stacked against him, he gets the job done

[tidal imp]

Not always on his own

[spring spindle]

with or without AI

[lusty ferry]

The ark was their fanciest installation ofc they weren’t gonna force the reclaimers to hack through every door on it

[twilit nacelle]

There’s plenty of times where Chief has needed an AI for something that he can’t do

[tidal imp]

Cortana literally was instrumental in each Halo game of the original trilogy

[spring spindle]

sure he might need help, but circling back my original point is that he should've deleted cortana on the infinity and figured out some other way to stop the didact

[twilit nacelle]

Chief isn’t so OP that he can function and succeed independently at all times

[tidal imp]

The tools weren’t available

[twilit nacelle]

He didn’t have the time, and he also didn’t want to

[tidal imp]

There were no other good options

The Infinity could have maybe stopped Didact without Cortana if they pressed the attack immediately, but Del Rio wasn’t going to try

[spring spindle]

now that sounds more like an assumption than an observable event in the known universe

[twilit nacelle]

In Halo 3 for example, Chief could not have activated 04b without the index that Cortana had

[tidal imp]

Chief is on the Infinity, he just allowed Cortana to get deleted, now what?

What exactly does he do next?

[spring spindle]

idk, i'm not a halo writer

just saying, he wouldn't have been utterly helpless

[tidal imp]

And why?

How would he solve the problem?

[spring spindle]

The same way he solves every problem, by shooting it in the face

[twilit nacelle]

He tried that before with the Didact and it didn’t work

He tries it after and it doesn’t work

[icy abyss]

Does anybody know where I can find info about the enemy ranks in campaign? Like grunt minors and elite majors?

[spring spindle]

then he tries a different gun

[twilit nacelle]

Bruh you’re just being intentionally difficult at this point

[spring spindle]

i'm not. if you think that chief couldn't have figured out some way to defeat the didact, with or without cortana, then you have missed the point of the entire halo series tbh

idk how he would've done it. he just would've

[twilit nacelle]

That’s a great counter argument that totally blows our logic and in-universe events out the water

[tidal imp]

If Chief was left to his own devices, Halo would have fired in the first game

[twilit nacelle]

Exactly!

[tidal imp]

He would have done what Guilty Spark asked

And everyone would be dead

[twilit nacelle]

He was, as Cortana put it, a ‘barbarian’ in CE essentially

[spring spindle]

how did he stop an ancient galactic parasite that devoured an ultra-advanced, galaxy spanning race? because bungie wanted him to. that's the only reason why said ancient parasite would be stupid enough to send all it's forces to one spot to be wiped out more easily

[twilit nacelle]

Not saying he’s dumb but he completely went along with Guilty Spark

[spring spindle]

how does he stop said forerunner after he awakes from his cryptum? idk, plot armory stuff

[twilit nacelle]

He stops him with Cortana ☺️

[tidal imp]

Plot does however state Chief cannot hack systems

Chief can shoot stuff, he needs others for hacking

[boreal current]

Actually how did the gravemind get High Charity to the ark in the first place? Didnt the keyship power most of the city?

[tidal imp]

Or transportation

[spring spindle]

i'm not arguing against that. but there are plenty of AI they could stick in his head that aren't well past the point of rampancy

[tidal imp]

None but Roland are on the Infinity

Of the smart AI class

[twilit nacelle]

Cortana’s rampancy was actually a key component of Chief’s victory against the Didact, I’d like to point out

[spring spindle]

now we're back to square one lol

[twilit nacelle]

If he had any other AI, they may have just been disintegrated, like he thought Cortana was when the console was shot

[spring spindle]

if Halo ever does some kind of multiverse thing, they should definitely do a thought experiment for if Halo had just deleted on Cortana on the Infinity

[tidal imp]

Earth gets composed, Didact establishes his control of the galaxy

[spring spindle]

i really believe Chief would've figured it out because that's just the whole concept of his character

[twilit nacelle]

Earth - gone. Prometheans - have loads more added to their ranks

[tidal imp]

Halo was never just the Master Chief

[twilit nacelle]

It really isn’t. Chief is shown throughout the series to need the help of others

[spring spindle]

yeah that would possibly make sense if Halo wasn't a game centered around Master Chief accomplishing impossible goals against impossible odds

[tidal imp]

Centered around, but not solely about

[twilit nacelle]

He isn’t self-sufficient and he isn’t a complete one-man army

[boreal current]

And Jul gets his revenge. I wonder what he did to convince the Didact to give him authority over Requiem and the Prometheans

[spring spindle]

nah. ya'll just lack imagination lol. luckily chief does not which is why he would've came out on top

[tidal imp]

Up till you said this I actually thought you might have been trolling

But if you really believe that…

How does one find one word banned, then end up using it again accidentally lol

[twilit nacelle]

Again, what a great counter argument Rai

You sure showed us

Even if Chief could have done something else (which he couldn’t) that just makes for a bad story anyway

[tidal imp]

Plots use consistent abilities

Chief’s is being a consistently good soldier

But he is not a tech expert

He isn’t going to hack any systems or make discoveries into why a device does what it does

That’s not his expertise

[fair hazel]

High chairing made a stop near nars and used their knowledge to make a direct jump to the ark

However high chairlift did not make the journey fully intact so it crashed

Cortana was instrumental in saving earth and stopping the didact

If they hadn’t humanity would have all been composed

[potent sky]

this is why Cortana exists or at least was created

[tidal imp]

Pretty much

Cortana was made as part of Operation RED FLAG, to assist in helping the Spartans take over a Covenant ship.

[frosty whale]

A multiverse where reach survives would be awesome

Or atleast noble team

[leaden cobalt]

Or what if the covenant never existed and the Spartans we're now used for their intended purpose

[tidal imp]

The Spartans would be known as those war criminal indoctrinated supersoldiers used by a tyrannical UEG if the program ever got leaked later

The Spartans were never intended to become public knowledge, only the Covenant war got them publicity as the UNSC needed heroes for morale

[leaden cobalt]

And that would be a more grim take on the Spartans from war heroes to ONI's little helpers

[pearl igloo]

I'd argue that the spartans would encounter the forrunner structures at some point. Then it would become a series about the flood and the remnants of the forrunners. And whatever these endless things are that 343 just came out with

[crisp tusk]

Been reading the novels for 2 years now and just finished Last Light

Gonna start the year with Shadow of Intent

Oh you cant share images here

Sad

[pearl igloo]

Thats odd... Using visual [help] would really help with discussing lore

and apparently you cant use certain words even if it has nothing to do with diseases

[rich palm]

Can someone explain The Endless to me? All I got from it is the harbinger is one of them

[pearl igloo]

It's implied that they may be a rival civilization to the forerunners and may be immune to the activation of a halo array

At least, as I understand things

The campaign of halo infinite is rather tight lipped about them

At the very least they seem to be competing with humanity for the "Mantle of Responisibility" Which is a concept that basically has to deal with one species looking out for the preservation of life in the universe, however they decide to do so. The Forerunners interpreted it as enforcing peace under them, while the Precursors, the race that came before the Forerunners, seemed to have a policy that life would have both war and peace as part of the natural order of things.

[quick slate]

what were the spartans original purpose?

[pearl igloo]

If I remember correctly, they were originally created as a super soldier program for wounded veterans (See Sargent Johnson who was an original Spartan). I know that Spartan IIs were made to deal with insurrectionists, rogue colonies that tried to leave the UNSC

[tidal imp]

Take down insurrection through assassination, abduction, and other forms of wet-work

[pearl igloo]

Yes, sabotage, securing pivotal sites, ect...

[quick slate]

I want a Halo game where you fight insurrectionists instead of aliens

[unique rune]

I feel like that get kinda repetitive fast, as much as it’d be cool to finally see Insurrectionists in a game.

[tidal imp]

Technically, you meet insurrectionists in Reach

The humans you meet up with in the mission with Jun

Who aid you

They didn’t have a cache of sniper rifles for hunting wild game…

[pearl igloo]

Yup. The first level was also investigating insurectionists and then the covenant arrived

[unique rune]

Part of what makes Halo campaigns what they are is the distinctive enemy types that all play pretty differently from each other. Meanwhile entirely human enemies would basically all just play like skinny Grunts without really having much sandbox variation.

[quick slate]

You have a point

[pearl igloo]

Jackles at best. Specifically sniper jackles.

[quick slate]

I want a horror Halo game

[pearl igloo]

CE

The first Halo is a horror game. Just look at the Flood

[quick slate]

Like a true horror game

[pearl igloo]

I will agree though that I loved odst. The series has more potential than just being spartans or the arbiter.

[ancient grove]

Well, The Keyes mission from CE could be horror

[quick slate]

I want a brute campaign

[pearl igloo]

Halo wars 2 dlc?

[quick slate]

An fps campaign to be more specfic

[pearl igloo]

Theres a brute campaign there

ah

[quick slate]

I loved Awakening the Nightmare

But i want to play as a Banished brute or something on Zeta

[tidal imp]

I liked how pragmatic it showed the Banished were

[quick slate]

Or what Atriox did after the attack on the Infinity

[ancient grove]

Like Arbiter in Halo 2?

[tidal imp]

Flood get released, Atriox immediately abandons his planned assault on the UNSC to focus everything on the Flood

[quick slate]

He aint stupid atleast

[pearl igloo]

I think there's a lot of potential as a tabletop game, as dificult as that might be. There's plenty of races you could choose from, abilities to specialize in...

[quick slate]

he got his priorities straight

Flood > UNSC

[pearl igloo]

Brutal, not stupid

[tidal imp]

Also he specifically told the Banished Brute commanders do not go into that wreckage

and what do they do?

[quick slate]

Open it up and release the parasite

[pearl igloo]

Well, one of them did. the other also told him not to go in

[tidal imp]

Then they tell him no we got it under control now

and Atriox rightly does not believe them

takes no chances with Flood

[quick slate]

It goes to hell and a proto-gravemind appears in the span of them releasing it

[pearl igloo]

Hey, why did the brutes take off thier rebreathers in the ending cutscene? I saw tons of spores floating around them

[quick slate]

Plot hahahaha

[tidal imp]

Rule of Cool

[pearl igloo]

I know, but it needed to be called out

[tidal imp]

Lots of movies do the same thing, but in those cases it is because we hired a big name actor, we are getting our money's worth of their face

[pearl igloo]

I'd love to have a game where a flood outbreak happens relatively slowly, with a single patient zero infected via spores, just to show how dangerous even exposure can be and how quickly it could spread from there. There's your idea for a halo horror game 343. Make us a better deadspace.

[quick slate]

What about a reverse horror Halo game?

[pearl igloo]

Where you're the flood?

[tidal imp]

reverse horror

The further you go into the game, the more happy and cheery the game gets

at the end, your gun shoots bubbles

[quick slate]

Wrong reverse

[tidal imp]

There's a party at the end where Johnson and Keyes arrive

[quick slate]

Where you are the terror

Be the flood and spread the infection

[pearl igloo]

Dlc comes out and you have to fight what you created in the campaign

[quick slate]

You lose at the end anyway hahahah

[pearl igloo]

Yo... why are almost all the spartan 4s we've seen so unprofessional?

They take their helmets off in combat zones, disobey orders, and supposedly even go awol when they should be on duty. You'd think anyone who did that would be cut from the program.

The most professional ones I've seen were that nameless fireteam with Lasky in halo 4 and Buck.

[chrome oasis]

I mean… when people are in dire situations, about to die let’s say, its difficult to follow rules by the book

But compared to Spartan 2s and 3s… I get what you’re saying

[tidal imp]

IRL, the rules of professionalism are relieved when out of dangerous situations for many special forces

Removing helmets in combat zone though, that's just the Hollywood Effect IMO, the trend of 'we need the audience to see the face of this character'

[pearl igloo]

Oh, I get the rules of professionalism thing. We've heard spartan 4s talk about keeping women company when they should be on duty though

[tidal imp]

Both of those cases were indoctrinated soldiers trained from childhood

They are not good role models for healthy soliders mentally at times

Spartans like Fred are the exception

[chrome oasis]

Yeah they’re are absolute extremes
Definitely not role models

[tidal imp]

You mean the sarcastic line in the opening of Spartan ops

You know that was a joke right?

[pearl igloo]

We've seen that one guy..
What's his name... there was a spartan in a cutscene that has his commanding officer telling him, repeatedly, not to break ranks as he goes gung-ho on covies with a shotgun

[tidal imp]

a bad one granted

[tidal imp]

and he got injured for that and reprimanded

[pearl igloo]

Point is that it should have never happened. I'd have expected them to be vetted for things like that

[tidal imp]

ODSTs, which many Spartans are recruited from, were not known for their good behavior to begin with

[unique rune]

In training I’m sure it’s supposed to be drilled into him, but like, tell a former ODST that he can practically fight like one of the “invincible” heroes of the Covenant War…

[pearl igloo]

If petty marines can hold themselves to not do things like that, I'd expect a Spartan to know better.

[tidal imp]

Former ODSTs are probably especially the sort of personality known for taking risks

They signed up to drop out of orbit in pods that sometimes killed them by defect

[pearl igloo]

Just saying, given the previous itterations, even the Spartan I s, it gives the program a bad rep.

[tidal imp]

Spartan-IIs had rule breakers too you know

Grey Team for example

[pearl igloo]

They did. And a lot of them died.

[tidal imp]

Grey Team didn't

[undone stirrup]

Aren’t spartan 2s and 3s the only one who were trained from childhood?

[undone stirrup]

Sgt johnson was technically a spartan one

That’s why he survived the flood attack in the first game

[tidal imp]

Besides, if we want examples of renegade marines, Sergeant Forge is an example

[pearl igloo]

I'm just saying, we've seen spartan 4s work well and like the super spec ops soldiers we can be. It's only the dysfunctional ones that seem to have screen time. Remember Palmer? She has petty jealousy towards the chief when they're both supposed to be spartans.

[unique rune]

Just saying, given the previous itterations, even the Spartan I s, it gives the program a bad rep.
Sure, but it’s just something to expect when you can’t brainwash your candidates to be emotionally stunted death machines.

[tidal imp]

He'd be higher promoted and an officer canidate if he didn't keep getting in trouble

but the man took down an Arbiter and was able to fistfight a Spartan pretty well

he'd be a prime Spartan-IV canidate

(Being a 1.1 helps)

[unique rune]

She has petty jealousy towards the chief
Uh. What.

[tidal imp]

Palmer is not jealous of Chief lol

[pearl igloo]

Do you not remember all the comments she makes about him?

[tidal imp]

Which comment did she make that showed jealousy?

[pearl igloo]

And perhaps rivalry is a better word than jealousy. Point is, it's not the level of professionalism I'd expect from someone in her position

[tidal imp]

what rivalry lol

[undone stirrup]

I never felt that

[unique rune]

…Is this still about the “I thought you’d be taller” line.

[undone stirrup]

I always felt she was just sort of poking at him

[pearl igloo]

Exactly

[undone stirrup]

Also yes, I’m pretty sure

[tidal imp]

That idiom literally means 'You have such a badass rep you can't be real'

[unique rune]

Yeah, pretty much.

[tidal imp]

I thought you'd be taller is telling someone they are larger than life

it is a compliment

[undone stirrup]

Exactly

[tidal imp]

Are people upset that Palmer complimented Chief?

[pearl igloo]

Deflect it all you want, that doesn't say military to me.

[unique rune]

I mean, the Marines in CE say a similar line to Chief sometimes and no one ever makes a big deal outta that.

[tidal imp]

If you think the military is serious all the time, I have bad news for you

[pearl igloo]

Are we going to say it's alright for upper military ranks to act like lower military ranks?

[tidal imp]

Technically Palmer outranks Chief

[pearl igloo]

I don't think it is all the time, I do think it is in combat situations

[tidal imp]

I say technically because in Halo most characters defer to Chief out of respect

[undone stirrup]

I would call it unprofessional if they weren’t in the field, but that sort of thing happens, even in real life

It’s really just banter, in my opinion

[pearl igloo]

My point is, we are not shown "the best of humanity" in the few spartan IVs we've seen.

[undone stirrup]

That is a good point

[tidal imp]

The Spartan-IIs to be honest don't reflect that either

Except Fred IMO

[pearl igloo]

Jorge was good

[tidal imp]

Fred is the most human Spartan

Jorge also was good with that

[unique rune]

Kurt as well. Kurt was cool.

[tidal imp]

Most of the Spartan-IIs are far too stiff, more machine than man in personality

actually that isn't even fair comparision, the smart AI have more personality at times

[crisp tusk]

Palmer used to be an ODST before turning into a spartan, we know most trooper based on media like halo legends and the kilo five trilogy among others that they do not like spartans alot (mostly because they were replaced as the most elite units among the corps), but as far as saying that she hates the chief is pretty wild for me, ODST do tend to be rude and sarcastic but thats just part of their nature and do not only apply for spartans, you can notice that in Halo 3 ODST with the way Alpha Nine interacts with each other and other characters, I would also recommend reading Kilo Five by Karen Travis where you see an actual team of 2 ODSTs and a Spartan 2

[undone stirrup]

And, if I’m being honest, as fighters I have found spartan IV’s kinda disappointing compared to II’s or III’s they go down much more easily

Not saying they go down easy

Just saying the’re not as tough

[pearl igloo]

I didn't say she hates the chief, I said she was petty towards him at times.

[undone stirrup]

Perfect explanation

[tidal imp]

Sorel's last stand with a screwdriver is the sort of thing you'd expect from a II

[undone stirrup]

For sure

[worldly iron]

If I haven’t read many of the novels yet which are the most important ones to read first ?

[tidal imp]

and Buck was practically near II level before being augmented

[pearl igloo]

I will say that, even from just audio logues, the Spartan 4s in infinity acted like spartans

[tidal imp]

Truly if he was any better, he'd be a Spartan

[undone stirrup]

That is also a good point, but buck Is just an all around badass, especially if you read the books

[pearl igloo]

Even to the point that they cut mid conversation to give tactical info

[worldly iron]

Was buck in halo 5 done bad I hear things but never played halo 5

[tidal imp]

Also remember the Banished are far more dangerous than the covenant

[crisp tusk]

Depends alot on what you want to learn tbh

[tidal imp]

in terms of troop ability

[undone stirrup]

He was one of the few good parts of halo 5

[tidal imp]

Even the grunts panic less

[pearl igloo]

Buck was buck. He did what he could in his situation and wasn't in charge

They did a fairly good job of keeping him in character

[undone stirrup]

I agree, never played the game, but I watched the cutscenes to get a good feel for the story

[pearl igloo]

"You know, when they find out, they're all going to hate us" that's such a great line of his

[worldly iron]

That’s a tough one lol dunno. I started with contact Harvest maybe the original trilogy, cole protocol? Go from there ?

[crisp tusk]

Spartan 4s do have more freedom in terms of behavior because they had a life outside of the corps, 3s and 2s know nothing of that and for me it makes sense we see a more human side from them

[undone stirrup]

I wish they made a short game about his experience on reach

It would have been so good

If they tied it in to the reach mission

[pearl igloo]

I don't mind off the battlefield. I do want to see behavior worthy of spartans on the battlefield. Even Halsey said some were more suited to the program than others. She wanted to call the IVs something different, like maybe Titans.

[tidal imp]

Halsey is also insane

literal mad scientist

[pearl igloo]

He's in reach

[crisp tusk]

Contact harvest is reaally good, I honestly recommend getting the kilo 5 trilogy and both ghosts of onyx and fist strike, those are the ones I liked the most out of the original 6 novels

[undone stirrup]

Is that a question?

[tidal imp]

Halsey is not a role model for human social behavior

[pearl igloo]

She is also kind of the expert on all things Spartan.

[crisp tusk]

I started reading thr novels about 2 years ago and tbh most are average af

[tidal imp]

She's also arrogant enough to consider herself the expert on all things human

[pearl igloo]

And I don't think Halsey is insane. I think she's traded a lot of her morals for survival

[worldly iron]

Sounds good thanks I’ll look into that

[crisp tusk]

Yw

[undone stirrup]

I’m going to assume it is. @pearl igloo Have you played reach?

[tidal imp]

Halsey's behavior was crazy before the Covenant even appeared and made it about survival

[pearl igloo]

You talk to Buck in reach

[undone stirrup]

Yes

[pearl igloo]

So he's in Reach

[tidal imp]

ONI know she is a mad scientist, and her own peers used to assume her inquiries about augmentation and genetic engineering were hypothetical

because they would cross extreme moral boundaries, even in test monkeys

[undone stirrup]

In the level where you fly around in a falcon, you escort his pelican

[tidal imp]

which they assumed she was using

[pearl igloo]

Survival amongst human kind is still survival.

[tidal imp]

the UEG thinking separatist groups are humankind level threat was their own arrogance

[pearl igloo]

That's a rude thing to call the 2s XD

[tidal imp]

You know what I refer to

Halsey asked about augmentations and the colleagues she contacted assumed she was planning animal research.

If they even remotely suspected human experimentation was involved, especially non-consenting kids, they would not have helped

[pearl igloo]

Human kind always points the finger at each other when devoid of external threats. The few legitimate terrorist groups did do some rather extreme, if minor in the grand scheme of things, damage

[tidal imp]

It isn't survival though

the Covenant was survival

[undone stirrup]

It was still immoral and cruel, taking those kids away from their parents and replacing them with short lived clones

[tidal imp]

Of course it was, many many things were immoral

That's my point

Halsey crossed many lines

[pearl igloo]

Noone is saying she hasn't, least of all her

[tidal imp]

She only started thinking about those lines more seriously in her old age

[pearl igloo]

One dad managed to find his daughter again

[tidal imp]

And after being told about what a terrible person she was by several others

[undone stirrup]

Also, despite seeming cold and uncaring, spartan 2s still maintain moral and humanity, as most still remember their childhoods before they were taken, even if it is a distant memory

[tidal imp]

including some ex-Spartans

[tidal imp]

Some more than others

[undone stirrup]

Although maybe some spartan have a little less humanity than other, like some of the headhunters

[tidal imp]

Who are recovering mentally, but slowly

[undone stirrup]

Did anyone here watch halo legends?

[pearl igloo]

Back to my original point, I'd just like to see more of the behavior we've come to love from spartans out of the IVs. I'm not saying be robots, I'm saying have the sense to leave your helmet on.

[undone stirrup]

And see that episode where the spartan tracks down their family?

It was in an anime art style

It kind of proves Spartans still yearn for their old live sometimes

[crisp tusk]

Halsey did a lot of wrong things that were not even close to necessary during the spartan 2 program, for instance, it was her idea to flash clone the kids intead of just taking them (which caused a big big insurrectionist problem) also the fact that she cloned herself to make an smart AI is kinda creepy, specially when that AI got so attached to John, ONI did have a big involvement in terms of perms and budget, but the entire formula of taking 6 year olds to train them was something coordinated and supervised by Halsey. Later during the covenant war she literally abducted Kelly by taking an insurrectionist ship and flying to onyx, by the sole purpose of finding what the Spartan 3 program is, then she gets to work on the infinity and boom she escapes with Jul Mdama to later get rescued by Osiris. Point is, she is considered a war criminal by both the UNSC and ONI but her work has made her hard to put into jail given that she has helped humanity depite the extreme measures

[pearl igloo]

Well.. Humans usually think about what they may have missed out on- Holy walls of Text!

[crisp tusk]

I do agree shes not insane

But god she made some. Sus things

[pearl igloo]

Halsey's intelect has been pivotal. in her younger years, yes, she was seduced by seeing just how far she could push the limits. there are many people out there like that, though I dont mean that as an excuse

In many senses, at the begining, her concerns about survival were directly for herself.

[tidal imp]

Halsey also has a bad habit of discarding people

including family

Though she later regrets such detachment

She broke down on finding out Miranda Keyes died, having never reconciled with her.

[versed helm]

What happened between halo 5 and the start of infinite?

[pearl igloo]

A lot of things that happened in books and some that havent been clarified

[versed helm]

A h

Anything important I should know

[pearl igloo]

Bad guys from Halo wars 2 have replaced the covenant

[untold wasp]

wait halsey was miranda's mom?

[tidal imp]

Yes

[untold wasp]

never knew that

[quick slate]

What happened to Spark after he became a monitor again?

[tidal imp]

Miranda took the name Miranda Keyes however because she hated her

[quick slate]

and is the flood in the Ark still alive?

[untold wasp]

wait a minute

didn't chief, arbiter and johnson used the premade halo to destroy the flood on the ark? then how is it still there in halo wars 2?

[quick slate]

High Charity

[untold wasp]

wouldn't the halo blast still kill those ones too?

[quick slate]

They were still alive in the events of "Awakening the Nightmare"

they were contained in these weird domes

[untold wasp]

by the sentinels

[quick slate]

All i know its some forerunner tech

If i recall, in the end of Awakening the Nightmare another contained dome and probably a chunk of High Charity inside

[untold wasp]

so technically the flood still exist on the ark and the other flood containment on the other halos (?)

[crisp tusk]

Yes

[untold wasp]

ok

[quick slate]

Zeta probably has live flood specimen somewhere

[pearl igloo]

I dont think all of the halos do... but I wouldnt be suprised if Im wrong about that

[quick slate]

Alpha and Delta did i think?

[untold wasp]

i think it was in one of the terminals where the halos had the containment facilities

idk if all of them have it

let me rewatch the terminal again

[pearl igloo]

All of the halo rings seem to have an auxilary function. Some studied the flood, others did other things

[quick slate]

i saw some clips with flood sillhouettes in the big tablets

In Zeta

[pearl igloo]

The function of Zeta halo seems to be the containment of these... "Endless"

[quick slate]

The Ark still has flood from what i know

[untold wasp]

also what was that ship that crashed on spark's ring in the terminals?

[quick slate]

Lets just hope the flood dont escape the Ark

[quick slate]

The Pillar of Autumn??

Alpha Halo was Sparks ring

[untold wasp]

in the terminals, a unknown ship crashed and there was nothing left remaining, it wasn't the pillar

[quick slate]

Welp i gotta read the terminals ahain

[unique rune]

It was just a ship created by some unidentified species that crashed. There's really not much info on it and I doubt we'll ever get any.