lore-and-universe

[final hound]

Thanks to augs

[digital parrot]

Is there any lore that shows a Spartan past his or her “prime?”

Like when age is an issue

I don’t believe so

[final hound]

Out of universe, they could do it as a plot explanation

[digital parrot]

No idea tho

[swift shale]

Spartan's haven't lived long enough to be able to reach that yet

[spring spindle]

^this

[final hound]

This

[digital parrot]

They never die, they are just missing in action

[spring spindle]

i get Chief is lucky, but man if this dude lives to be a 90 year old soldier whilst simultaneously signing up for every suicide mission available, that'd be pretty nuts

[final hound]

We dont know if spartans will feel the same affects of age

[tired terrace]

Infinite is only set 35 years after the human covenant war started

No Spartan has simply grown that old yet

[digital parrot]

True

[swift shale]

I'd say its safe to say that due to the augmentations, and the stuff librarian did, Chief could potentially keep fighting for another 30 years.

[digital parrot]

Was buck augmented in any way? As a Spartan 4?

[final hound]

Oh and also we dont exactly know the ambiguous details of what the librarian did to his physiology in H4

[digital parrot]

I don’t know much about Spartan 4’s

[final hound]

His accelerated evolution is a fun little plot point to use

Could keep him fighting in his prime for a while tbh

They have all the explanations they need to keep him alive and fighting

[digital parrot]

I forgot about that part in five

[swift shale]

I'm still salty that his hight at the end of Halo 4 isn't cannon. Just a visual "Wow" factor.

[digital parrot]

What the librarian did

[spring spindle]

yeah I guess... ngl and maybe i'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind them coming out with a new main character

[digital parrot]

Or four

[final hound]

Yea lol

[spring spindle]

or just letting you make your own custom spartan in future campaigns like in Reach

[digital parrot]

Reach was kinda a stretch

They let you choose male female etc armory

But lore wise I believe noble is male?

[final hound]

Oh nah, im fine with that too. Im merely speaking objectively on what they can use to keep their main character in the business

[digital parrot]

Honestly growing up with halo 1 and chief, it’s hard to imagine another character

But I wouldn’t be opposed

[final hound]

Yeah idk what that was about either

[digital parrot]

“I thought you were taller”

[final hound]

Im one of the people who didnt have a problem with that quote

[digital parrot]

Man hit puberty a second time just for halo 4 ending

[final hound]

I know its bc "military diction"

And palmer was just trying to be ironic and cute

[rare plover]

I reckon Palmer was trying to do banter

[final hound]

Yes

[digital parrot]

Haven’t heard Palmer

[final hound]

Exactly

[digital parrot]

What’s she doing?

In all this mess

[final hound]

Shes the commander of the spartan 4s on infinity in h4 and 5

[loud fjord]

probably complaining about egg heads somewhere in space

[final hound]

Or were you asking what happened to her in infinite?

Cause idk either

[digital parrot]

Yeah that’s what I was asking

[final hound]

Ah

[digital parrot]

How augmented are the Spartan 4s?

They are the more expendable ones I believe

So prolly not that “supreme”

[spring spindle]

when H4 came out I know I just saw the S-IV's as posers, and that comment made it seem like she was unimpressed with what was clearly a superior specimen. in hindsight, though, it really wasn't that bad.

[swift shale]

Spartan 3s were the expendable ones. Spartan 4s were the elite ground pounders.

[final hound]

@digital parrot

[modern gale]

pretty sure theyre more than 3s, less than 2s

[final hound]

We had a convo on that which starts there

[digital parrot]

Ah okay gotcha

Reading it

[final hound]

4s arent necessarily "expendable", that was 3s like rekkit said, intended to die

But 4s are just

[spring spindle]

are you sure about that? i thought the 3's had the same augmentations as the 2s, just sort of cheaper sources

[final hound]

The evolution of what the program became

[digital parrot]

4 are just enhanced soldiers?

[modern gale]

yk what i think youre right

[final hound]

Now theyre just a really really powerful special forces branch

[digital parrot]

I know Spartan 2’s were the supreme ones even before augmentation

Higher skill and reflexes

[final hound]

That anyone can join, should you meet the requirements

[modern gale]

3s are expendable due to usually having SPI or weaker MKV

[rare plover]

I mean considering how known spartans are by now you can't really justify making a Spartan Branch for suicide/black ops anymore

[modern gale]

4s arent expendable but are very numerous due to being volunteers

[final hound]

3s had a more rushed aug process

And selection process

[spring spindle]

they also didn't get the same amount of training for the same amount of time than the II's

[spring spindle]

correct

[final hound]

But 3s had a qualifier known as CAT2's

Which Noble team was

[modern gale]

yeah 2s were kidnapped 3s were orphans

6 year old super soldier vs 10 year old

[final hound]

And those spartan 3's were capable of being selected for 2s

Had they been verified during that time

[digital parrot]

I believe Spartan two requirements were already geared to a supreme being?

Like they already had advanced body behaviors

Reflexes etc

[final hound]

Thats kind of what they are tbh

[digital parrot]

But an Orphan could

[modern gale]

yeah they were basically the physically and mentally gifted weirdos

[spring spindle]

maybe the only reason why the II's are better than the other spartans is just because Halsey hand-picked them to have been genetically superior before they even received augmentations

[digital parrot]

Yeah for real

[final hound]

2s are just better

[digital parrot]

Yeah rai that’s what I thought

[final hound]

In every way than the future gens

[final hound]

This

[modern gale]

agreed

noble six shoulda died on the ship instead of Jorge

imo

[final hound]

CAT2 spartan 3s are the closest to spartan 2s

[modern gale]

actually, six was hyperlethal

so hyperlethal 3 vs spartan 2 is a good matchup

[digital parrot]

He was hyper lethal and didn’t go through the same augmentation

Should have been him as Locke lol

[final hound]

Honestly yeah, i still dont necessarily agree with people when they argue that Noble 6 is better than Jorge simply because hes labelled as so effective per being hyper lethal by virtue of how the brass sees him

[spring spindle]

I mean honestly seeing them clear out a Covenant army on Kamchatka or whatever in the opening scene for Halo 5 improved my opinion on them quite a bit. I know everyone hates that game, but I did like the fact that it's really the only time we actually get to see Spartan teams in action (reach doesn't count since there weren't really any action scenes involving all of Noble)

[final hound]

Noble 6 might be more effective at his operations, but honestly Jorge would probably win in a 1v1

[digital parrot]

Man had size

Ha was like a foot taller right?

Maybe foot and half?

Picked six up like baby weight

[final hound]

Oh yeah. I dont hate the idea, i honestly like the whole spartan 4 idea. Just seems like something the military and political entities would naturally do

A less proficient and more open market evolution of the legendary 2 program

[modern gale]

thats a hard tossup tho

[final hound]

Yea lol

[spring spindle]

My question is did the later Mjlonir need to be modified so the IV's didn't kill themselves in it, or are their augmentations really just as good as the II's in being able to wear Mjlonir

[modern gale]

ngl I wanna see a full on six vs jorge explored in depth

[spring spindle]

like can a S-IV wear GEN1 MKV Mjlonir?

[final hound]

Eh, id say so simply on virtue of being a 2. Eh, also depends on what kind of fight. Jorge obviously wins a fist fight

[modern gale]

maybe? I feel like their weaker augmentations would make them incompatible size, strength, and durability-wise

[final hound]

But 6 is probably the better shot

[final hound]

Questionable

Maybe even not necessarily an all encompassing thing

Maybe some of them can

While others cant

The programs watered down and variable after all, im betting there are some who could def pass the requirements of the old program

[unique rune]

Their genetics make them slightly better but for the most part the screening was necessary to make sure the augmentations didn't kill all of them.

[final hound]

While there are others who would never have been able to

[unique rune]

I feel like people play up the "superior genetics" part of the S-IIs a bit too much when most of it was just to make sure the augmentations would work at all.

[final hound]

Newer mjlonir is definitely fitted better for everyone

[final hound]

Agreed

Which is why i try to leave it open

I believe some wouldve passed the qualifications, others not so much

Because thats the logical assumption to make imo

Its not like spartan IVs are worthless lol

However, the genetic superiority is still a valid thing for the most part, after all, the selection process was just so strict, and on top of that, they were practically trained from birth

While they had a lot more going for them, its illogical to write out the spartan IVs as being incapable of standing near/next to their predecessors in quality

[spring spindle]

i mean it does make sense that their superior genetics would be the reason they're superior to other spartans lol. if they all receive more or less the same augmentations, but one group was custom tailored to have the most effective ones (that carried the risk of a higher attrition rate), then yeah the logical conclusion is the S-IIs genetics are what make them superior to other spartans

[final hound]

This

[unique rune]

Right, but I do think people put that whole "superiority" thing on some ridiculous pedestal that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

[final hound]

I respect it, but dont view it as sound when people take it too far

Vis a vis, when people think a spartan 2 would just solo every 4 in existence

Or something like that

[unique rune]

Sure, there's going to be discrepancies between generations, but it's not to the extent that people make out S-IVs to just be "ODSTs in power armor".

[final hound]

The average spartan 2 could probably take out 1 to 3 spartan 4s before it becomes overwhelming

Thats my opinion

[spring spindle]

right, S-IV's are definitely more than that. again, the opening scene of H5 comes to mind...

[clear beacon]

This^ Jorge is via. augmentation superior to N6, but when it comes down to actual combat effectiveness in a legitimate battle environment, N6 is more capable.

[final hound]

Depending on the spartan 4s

[final hound]

💯

[clear beacon]

Doesn't mean Jorge wasn't valuable, he just did what he thought was right and even he recognized just how capable of a soldier N6 was.

[final hound]

I also am of the opinion that most of blue team would beat 6

Linda has the best marksman feats in the mythos

😈

[tired terrace]

At the time what Jorge did was right

[final hound]

Oh yeah, definitely

[clear beacon]

I think all s-2's could beat any S-3 in a 1-on-1

[final hound]

Agree

[clear beacon]

maybe a 1v2

[final hound]

You're valid 😎

Hell, even game mechanics wise, reach was the first game to change the dynamic of how it plays

Weaker melee, slower accelerations and jump height

Etc

Although thats just game perspective

They also left ODST flawed

🗿

[clear beacon]

Aya, I don't think it reflects how powerful the S-3's actually are

even in in the halo games we dont see chief running at 40 km/h

[final hound]

I think there is some authoritative intent there

[clear beacon]

when he's perfectly capable then some

[final hound]

But its not necessarily reflective

[rare plover]

Are there any S-III's left ?

[clear beacon]

Yee

[final hound]

Yes

[clear beacon]

Tom, Lucy are alive

[hardy light]

May I remind you Noble 6 was deemed “hyper lethal” something most spartan II’s were not

[clear beacon]

Correct, but I think one of the encyclopedias ret-conned that deeming all the spartans hyper-lethal

[final hound]

Getting back to this, that label applies to combat scenarios

[tired terrace]

Most Spartans also are not the main character

[rare plover]

I reckon that this hyper lethal rating goes cross spartan gens otherwise theres not much point to it existing

[final hound]

Not necessarily how they would perform in an octagon for instance

[spring spindle]

The Ferret Squad from Last Light I think (don't tell me if they die i haven't read the newest books)

[clear beacon]

Katana Squad is still alive I think

they weren't talked about much

[final hound]

As in, 6 might get the job done more effectively, but that doesnt mean a spartan 2 wouldnt manhandle him physically

[hardy light]

I believe chief and 6 are the two most dangerous humans in the lore

[clear beacon]

They are.

[final hound]

Indeed

[spring spindle]

Well, Six was. Now he's burned into the Planet Reach lol

[final hound]

Lol

[clear beacon]

D:

Remember Reach my brothers

[fiery moss]

What’s y’all’s perspective on post infinite or post zeta

[clear beacon]

Pog

[final hound]

W

[fiery moss]

😂boi

[clear beacon]

I mean

Infinite is great imo

[hardy light]

this may be controversial but: I reckon 6 could have beaten Locke in a one on one

[clear beacon]

I think so too.

[final hound]

Let it be known that Fal Chavamee is the most dangerous non ecumene era creature in the mythos 😎

[clear beacon]

He has more experience.

[final hound]

Fal chavamee solos your favorite halo character

😈

[spring spindle]

Ok but Kurt could've beat John in a one on one

[clear beacon]

That's the primary reason why the Locke v Chief fight didn't make sense. Chief had been training/fighting since the age of six. The Spartan-IV's on the gen.2 platform are physically equivalent to Spartan-2's, but Chief has decades more experience.

[clear beacon]

No.

[final hound]

Honestly thats ... idk maybe

[clear beacon]

Actually

Hmmmm

[swift shale]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[final hound]

Stop the cap meme

[spring spindle]

Dude Kurt is literally just an unlucky version of Master Chief

[clear beacon]

I don't think Kurt has the genesong that Jhon has.

[spring spindle]

definitely not since he's dead

[fiery moss]

Anyone know anything about preleps?

[clear beacon]

😐

Dont do my man like that G

[final hound]

I think chief kinda rekt him once he got serious. But the fight in general just looked terribly choreographed

And i doubt either of them were necessarily going their hardest

[tired terrace]

But if haka was equally skilled wouldn’t he also solo anybody

[spring spindle]

hey i love kurt just as much if not more than the next guy, but he is also dead as hell and we have to accept it

[final hound]

Theyre both soldiers on the same side

[clear beacon]

Right, they werent trying to kill each other.

[final hound]

Exactly

[tired terrace]

Chief takes everything serious

[final hound]

Neither wanted to necessarily damage the other one

[clear beacon]

He punched a nuke 🙏

My man went out

[fiery moss]

Aye y’all talking about the supreme lethality of characters so fr does anyone know about preleps? 😂

[final hound]

Not killing his own fellow personnel

[final hound]

Oh god

The prophets

[clear beacon]

There really isnt any lore on them

[final hound]

Lmao

[spring spindle]

See that's what we could have a non-Chief Halo game, one where you play as Kurt fr

[fiery moss]

Ye 😂😂

Ik but like..

[clear beacon]

I mean go make ur own headcanon g

[final hound]

To be fair, all we ever see is old decrepit prophets. They did fight the sangheili, and they stand like 7 feet tall

[fiery moss]

Nah I put that in here because I’m lowkey curious on your views of em

[spring spindle]

they could make a game about pretty much any spartan and it'd be lit.

except Musa... that'd probably be boring and depressing

[final hound]

Also, the prophets are easily stronger than even humans

[clear beacon]

They used Forerunner technology for most of the war, the Sangheli didn't

[fiery moss]

But are they more lethal then Spartans

[clear beacon]

Doubt.

[final hound]

Yeah i know, they had the definitive tech advantage

[final hound]

Hell no lmao

[fiery moss]

Based off of what evidence

[tired terrace]

The elites had forerunner technology

[final hound]

Although thats just opinions. But by virtue of them having zero feats

[velvet frigate]

the prohpets were pensioners

[final hound]

Theyre likely? worse

[tired terrace]

They disagreed with the prophets religiously in that they believed they should not use it

[clear beacon]

We don't really know much abt their lore and you would think that if they were as powerful if not more than spartans, they would send them instead of Silent Shadow to hunt them down.

[fiery moss]

Why not vise versa

I last resort

[clear beacon]

😐

The spartans were the biggest thorn in the Covenant's side, they would want to dispose of them asap.

also Royal Guards were last resort I believe.

[spring spindle]

wait are you guys talking about prelates? or preleps? lol

[tired terrace]

For most sangheilis, humans are not worthy of having a name at all except Spartans which they only called demons

[final hound]

If you take a look at how an old decrepit Truth holds a Brute Spiker with only two fingers in Halo 3 after he kills Miranda Keyes with it, you get the idea that a young prophet would probably easily crush a human with his bare hands

[fiery moss]

Aye I’m j sayin 😂 based off the little lore we know. Few were submitted to torture and training much more extreme then Spartans. They also are known to be more rare then Spartans 2s according to Joseph staten

[final hound]

Im sure a prophet could kill a grunt or jackal even

In terms of physicality

[spring spindle]

the one prelate we know of was killed by a horde of drones... i doubt they could beat a spartan lol

[clear beacon]

^^^

[final hound]

💀

I think prophets would likely just fall short of Sangheili in terms of physicality

[clear beacon]

Even spartans struggle against elites in terms of strength sometime.

[final hound]

Ofc

Bigger question, who wins

Grunt or Jackal in hand to hand

[clear beacon]

Grunt

[final hound]

Is there really any species of covenant a human could even fight fairly?

Maybe yanme

[minor sky]

Doesn't matter, Goku's stronger

[fiery moss]

Nah 😂 Joseph staten wrote a statement to hiddenx saying that the only currently pupblic known prelep was pre creation also saying that it was a failed attempt. And 3 successful preleps were deployed and the outcome they had in battle was in short terms amazing

[final hound]

Maybe

[clear beacon]

Grunt and Jackal

[final hound]

💀

[clear beacon]

Drone

Pepelaugh

[final hound]

Nah, no way, grunts destroy humans

[clear beacon]

Nah

[final hound]

Bruh

[gilded mason]

Grunts are strong enough to rip Spartans' arms off.

[final hound]

Grunts are legit way stronger than us

[clear beacon]

Show me

I'm not aware of this

[gilded mason]

Spartan Field Manual has Thorne warning new spartans not to underestimate Grunts , as he saw such a thing occur.

[clear beacon]

idk I think you could just kick off the methane breather

[fiery moss]

Ye fr 😂

[final hound]

Idk about a spartan, but in lore they rip humans apart in cole protocol

[final hound]

Thats crazy

[clear beacon]

wow

wait inside their amor?

[final hound]

Yall are crazy for underestimating grunts, they evolved on a planet heavier than earth. They stand around 5'0 to 5'7 ish

And theyre way heavier than a human

[spring spindle]

little crab people

[gilded mason]

And Jackals are able to bat away 350 lb Prometheans with their shield

[final hound]

Its like us trying to fight an orangutan

[clear beacon]

According to the wiki, the strength of grunts varies

some cant carry anything heavier than a plasma pistol

while others are indeed very powerful

so I guess it's a coin-flip

[spring spindle]

depends on how often they hit them gym whether they get the plasma pistol or the fuel rod cannon lol

[clear beacon]

It's been shown that the intelligence of grunts isnt consistent

[gilded mason]

Just like humans!

[clear beacon]

so I would assume physical strength is the same

[clear beacon]

LOL

True

[final hound]

Lol

They also have an obvious exoskeleton

Which makes them more durable than any jackal or human

[clear beacon]

^^

Teeth too

[final hound]

Yep

[clear beacon]

in contact harvest one human got pretty much disembowled by one

by being bitten

[spring spindle]

my favorite part in that book is when tartarus turns that one grunt into "a blue smear on the ground" after hitting him with a gravity hammer

[clear beacon]

teehee

aw

turn em to paste

[final hound]

Lol

[spring spindle]

wish there was more gore in the games like there is in the books

[final hound]

Brutes are a whole other level, insane

[spring spindle]

would love to make an elite's head "collapse inward" from a sniper bullet lol

[clear beacon]

dark but, I get u

The games dont show just how depressing the lore is sometimes

and how dangerous they are

[final hound]

I had a debate with my friend on how a brute would destroy wampas in star wars. He didnt believe it until i pulled the height and weights

[spring spindle]

I think that's a line from The Flood when it was talking about a Marine sniper taking out some elites

[clear beacon]

there's a deleted animation from halo 3 where brutes can rip off the arms of marines

[final hound]

By lore they double and quadruple the weight of wampas

[spring spindle]

oh yeah i remember that from the vidoc

[clear beacon]

They can also break the necks of elites with one hand

like

cronch

[final hound]

Fr

[ember veldt]

Didn't Lord Hood escape from Earth with Pangonsky and Black Box when Cortana attacked Earth? Why is she negotiating with him in Infinite then?

[clear beacon]

I don't know if the fates of a lot of smaller characters have been shown yet.

We don't know what happened to Blue Team after the Infinity went down.

I'm also pretty sure Locke is dead

but its never explicitly stated

[spring spindle]

I'm still pissed Red Team didn't make an appearance in Infinite... they just chilling on the Ark or something?

[clear beacon]

I would assume so

they still don't have a SSD

[ember veldt]

I thought it was in that collection of short stories in a book that Hood and Pagonsky escaped from Earth on a Prowler because Black Box warned them and kept a Prowler off the radar for them and scrubbed the location of an old ONI safe haven from the databases for them to hide at.

[clear beacon]

What book?

[gilded mason]

Fractures

[spring spindle]

so out of all the communications equipment that was left behind in the human outpost on the Ark, they still haven't managed to send out a signal for someone to come get them?

[clear beacon]

There's a new fractures?

I'm a bit behind on the newer stuff

[gilded mason]

It's the only book called "Fractures"

[spring spindle]

Really good book. I like all of the short story collections tbh

Was tales from slipspace the other one? or is that the comic

[ember veldt]

No. The Ark is WAY beyond the edge of the galaxy, to the point where the only way to/from it is by way of Forerunner Slipspace portal or specific Forerunner Slipspace tech.

[gilded mason]

The comic, yeah

Other short story book was Evolutions

[spring spindle]

sure but humans already have outposts there by the time SoF/ Red Team arrives... so they set up a bunch of outposts with no way to communicate back to Earth?

[gilded mason]

There was a portal to Earth until it got shut off somehow following the Created thing

[ember veldt]

They did - through the portal in New Mombasa. When Cortana arrived and EMP'd Earth then attacked, the Portal shut down. Hence why they didn't get reinforcements when the Banished attacked.

[spring spindle]

hmm maybe i'm getting my timelines confused but didn't SoF show up at the Ark a few years before Cortana went rogue? shouldn't they have had time to call for extraction?

then again it does take time for signals to travel across galaxies

[ember veldt]

No. They show up a few months after Cortana goes rogue, but a couple of months before Atriox leaves the Ark for Reach and Zeta Halo.

[clear beacon]

I apologize for any ignorance on my part, I'm still reading the books

[final hound]

Ohh yeah, the brute action figure had his helmet, i remember seeing that

[clear beacon]

Hyperius*

[final hound]

Aw in game too?

[clear beacon]

Aya

[final hound]

Damn lol

[spring spindle]

actually yeah you're right, because the Legendary ending for HW2 ||shows the guardians appearing and whatnot||

[final hound]

Hopefully palmer didnt die too

What about the rest of osiris

[clear beacon]

It's also speculated that the head piece that Hyperius is wearing was from Palmer's helmet

But it's not confirmed

LOL

[final hound]

🗿

[clear beacon]

I felt so bad for pressing enter

[final hound]

Lol

[spring spindle]

That kinda sucks... Red Team has basically been sitting around doing nothing for most of the past 30 years lol

[clear beacon]

I was typing that and then you say that and then I went 😮‍💨

[clear beacon]

teehee

One thing cool I want to say is that in the trailer for the Halo tv show we see a colony in astroids

I believe thats The Rubble from The Cole Protocol

So it would be swag af if we get to see something from Gray Team 🙏

[stone arrow]

Sorry if I'm butting into anything, but I have a question about the design of the MJOLNIR armour: What are the two ridges on the back for? I can't seem to find any details on it. Is it part of the powerpack, or something else? Does anyone here know?

[clear beacon]

Thrusters I believe.

[vestal grove]

I forgot what they were for... thrusters for landing.

Yes.

In case they had to jump from the drop pod before it hit the ground.

[spring spindle]

yeh it'd be great if i could experience cole protocol without having to drone through buckell's crayon scrabble

[clear beacon]

Chief's MK.7 armor has limited maneuverability in space so I think that's what they're for.

[spring spindle]

i thought that was the mini fusion reactor?

[clear beacon]

They were absent in the mark 6

[clear beacon]

He's talking about the things that spike up.

The reactor is there tho

[stone arrow]

Alright, thanks gents. Been wondering about that for a while.

[unique rune]

Nah, it's definitely not a Scout or Celox-class helmet, despite how similar the top looks.

[vestal grove]

Hm, also I think I remember them being used for maneuvering in zero g.

Like when he threads a needle to get back onto the ship- I forget.

[clear beacon]

In the recent podcast thing made, he talks about how he was testing his armor's zero-g maneuverability

[clear beacon]

Idk I don't really see it either I'm just saying it's speculated. I think that a brute's head would be much bigger than a humans, even a spartan's.

[unique rune]

Yeah, if I recall correctly most of the speculation was just based on early pictures of the Mega Construx micro figure.

[final hound]

Ah yeah took a look at that

It doesnt necessarily look like it

Though that does seem to be lockes helmet

[unique rune]

I can definitely see why people would think it, but better views of the helmet pretty much shut down the possibility that Hyperius' isn't wearing anything from Palmer.

[clear beacon]

It is, a grunt at one of the propaganda towers says it in in Halo Infinite.

[unique rune]

His shoulder pauldron is definitely made from Hunter-class gear though.

[final hound]

Smh, if they killed locke off screen to hype a random brute for a one time encounter

That would be dumb

[final hound]

Rip

🗿

[versed helm]

A grunt at one of the propaganda towers

[clear beacon]

It's Locke's helmet.

[final hound]

Yeah the grunts in the propaganda towers are liars but thats his helm

[clear beacon]

I want to know what the Sangheli are doing.

The Arbiter specifically.

[final hound]

Same

We need more sangheili civil war

Arbiter dealing with any pro covenant sentiment

[spring spindle]

Yeah like we help them win the war (that we started) so they need to help us with the Banished lol

[final hound]

🗿

That we started, lmao

[clear beacon]

Well they don't really have much motive to help humanity.

[final hound]

ONI is evil

Tbf its also understandable tho

[clear beacon]

In the books, ONI was constantly feeding the civil war between them.

[clear beacon]

Aya.

[final hound]

I know lol

But its just messed up

Even if it makes sense

[spring spindle]

yeah i know i was mainly joking lol but it would be cool if Chief called up arby and just was like "I need a favor"

[final hound]

Its something that we would definitely do irl

[clear beacon]

They are friends. It would be so swag.

[final hound]

Fr

[clear beacon]

Like imagine in an expansion for the game and Chief is about to get killed, then Arbiter de-cloaks and kills his attacker

that would be hot af

[final hound]

😈

Yes

[spring spindle]

That cutscene at the end of H5, with the hybrid Elite-Spartan strike force rolling into battle on Liches was pretty sweet and I want more

[clear beacon]

no server emotes sad

[final hound]

Agreed

[clear beacon]

What 343 has done with Halo's story is great imo

they pretty much re-laid a foundation they can build off of

[final hound]

Indeed

[spring spindle]

Agreed. It took them a while to get the gameplay down, but I've always like how they respected the lore more than Bungie

Bungie, who basically retconned the entire Battle of Reach just because they were too lazy to read their own books lmao

[clear beacon]

Well I think they were trying to continue what bungie was doing but they couldn't get it right, so they're deciding to do their own thing.

[clear beacon]

*While respecting the lore made by Bungie

[spring spindle]

Yeah I was a bit disappointed with how they picked up Halo 3's Legendary ending and turned it into H4, wondering if 343 were actually following the direction that Bungie was going when they made that ending

[final hound]

Yeah bungie shouldve worked more in line with the book imo

But i enjoyed the supercarrier

[final hound]

I figured that was always what Halo wouldve been going for tho

Considering it was the legendary ending

[spring spindle]

Right i'm not saying I'm disappointed that they picked up from Bungie's ending. I'm disappointed with how they picked up from Bungie's ending. meaning may have gotten lost over text

[final hound]

I doubt bungie had anything else besides big metal planet structure thing though

[final hound]

Ahh

Well, im betting it was always the shield world, but as far as didact goes???...

People were already speculating it was a forerunner shield world before reach even came out

[spring spindle]

that's what i'm saying. if all bungie left was big metal planet thingy, whose to say that they weren't thinking of bringing back the flood or something

[final hound]

Yeah fr

[spring spindle]

there was tons of flood in the shield world that SoF found

[final hound]

I hate that there hasnt been any flood since

I loved the flood, apparently thats an unpopular opinion tho

[spring spindle]

same man. i really think that might have been 343's biggest mistake in the direction they've taken the story

[final hound]

Or at least it seems ppl hated the flood for some reason

As far as i hear, yet i never see anyone talk about how they hated the flood

I only see people say they miss it now

[final hound]

Agreed

[spring spindle]

i was never satisified with the answer that all the flood were completely wiped out on the Ark. how many other forerunner installations throughout the galaxy were studying flood?

[gilded mason]

I don't think anyone ever said all Flood everywhere was destroyed at the Ark.

[final hound]

Why would a think tank not have a contingency either?

[gilded mason]

Just the Delta Halo outbreak

[final hound]

The gravemind definitely wouldve had a contingency

[spring spindle]

exactly. wouldn't have sent all forces to the Ark and put all eggs in one basket.

[gilded mason]

Bungie wanted to wrap things up and so decided Gravemind sent everyone to the Ark. Silly, but that's what they went with

[spring spindle]

sure but it just doesn't make sense that they would go back into hiding when both the humans and the covenant were in the middle of rebuilding after a long war

so why haven't we seen any

except the little ark outbreak in HW2

[gilded mason]

Because the outbreak was taken care of. There's still Flood in storage or otherwise trapped in places, but no risk of them getting out at the moment

[final hound]

Bleh

Bad writing

At least following the greater lore theyve created

Gravemind isnt necessarily anything special if all you do is play the games and thats it

Just a big bad tentacly evil monster

Kinda like the didact situation

[spring spindle]

again bungie never cared much about their lore tbh. the extent of the story of any Bungie Halo games usually stays confined to whatever the main character's immediate mission is, and not much about what's going on around them

[final hound]

Exactly

[balmy pulsar]

Myriad the hunter pair takes out 2 fireteams of Spartan IVs? 8 of the original Spartan IVs.. really?

Cool it with the lore improvisation 343. Seriously, chill. No one believes this garbage. Can’t believe that line actually made it into this story 😂

Some of the writing in this game is so elementary and nonsensical.

[unique rune]

What original Spartan-IVs...?

[solemn sierra]

I just wanna see that Spirit of Fire DLC with Red Team

[final hound]

I just looked up what people thought about that and saw this link to a posed discussion:

What do you guys think about the boss hunter pair taking down 2 Spartan IV teams? Chief rocks up and beats them by himself but the spartan teams couldn’t even take down one?!

someone said this:

"To be fair my Chief beat them by rolling up a Scorpion and shooting from so far away they couldnt fight back..."

💀

[balmy pulsar]

They don’t say. They’re vague. They don’t realize that almost all the Spartan IVs are accounted for in the books, and that the Banished came into the timeline way later than most of them were still operational. Red and Blue team are pretty much it by this time period. Even the Spartan IV on Noble team was one of the last and he died at Reach

[unique rune]

…Those aren’t Spartan-IVs.

You’re thinking of Spartan-IIs.

[gilded mason]

lmao

[final hound]

Lol

I guess that goes to show what i was talking about earlier too

Reinforces it

[balmy pulsar]

Are the 4s not accounted for? Noble 6 was one of the last 4s

[final hound]

That the spartan 4 program is def gonna have the most variance

[gilded mason]

Noble 6 is a III

[final hound]

In performance

[unique rune]

Noble Six/B312 was a member of Spartan-III Beta Company.

[final hound]

Yeah hes a S3 CAT2

[versed helm]

Noble Team is mostly comprised of IIIs

Except for Jorge

[final hound]

The only 2 is jorge

Indeed

[swift shale]

All of Noble team were spartan III's, only Jorge was a Spartan II.

[final hound]

Lol

Wreck be getting his spartan gens confused

[balmy pulsar]

Right, ok so How does a hunter pair kill 8 4s?

Justify it, really

[gilded mason]

Because Hunters are very powerful

[final hound]

Because 4s arent like 2's

[versed helm]

ambushed

[final hound]

And hunters are insanely strong yes

4s vary in quality now that its no longer this exclusive program

[balmy pulsar]

4s are still no joke. Guarantee the covenant fielded way more hunter pairs than the UNSC did 4s

[hardy light]

4’s are weaker than the other spartan gens, also rapid fire hunter go brrrrrr

[final hound]

Ofc, 4s are no joke at all

[swift shale]

How so?

[final hound]

Look at what their best can do

[gilded mason]

Look at the conversation up above

[final hound]

Osiris takes down a small army

By themselves

[unique rune]

Hunters have taken out individual Spartan-IIs previously, it’s not that big of a stretch to think that an especially lethal pair might’ve taken out a team of S-IVs with overinflated egos or really bad luck.

[final hound]

Agree

[balmy pulsar]

No he’s right I crossed my 4s and 2s. But my point still stands that the lore is jacked

[final hound]

He mixed up the 3s and 4s

No big deal really

And yeah, hes moreso focused on how hunters took down 8 spartans (4s mind you, but still solid)

[swift shale]

Oh i see. I thought he was talking about me tbh. typing wreck in stead of rekkit. happens a bit. my B.

[balmy pulsar]

Just seems like shatting on the Spartan program for a single pair to kill 8 of any Spartan type. Like really

[hardy light]

Even normal hunters could decimate unprepared Spartans

[gilded mason]

^

[final hound]

Eh, in my opinion it just raises those hunters

Doesnt really dismiss 4s

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[final hound]

Not all hunters mind you

But those ones

[unique rune]

Does their profile specify when Myriad killed the S-IV fireteams? I don’t remember for sure if it was supposed to be during the same operation or on separate occasions.

[final hound]

(All hunters are already a huge threat)

[gilded mason]

Beings other than Spartans can be powerful and strategic

[balmy pulsar]

Has everyone played to the part I’m talking about or am I spoiling anything?

[unique rune]

Because I know there’s another HVT who took out like, 4 ODST squads in a single op and I’m not sure if I’m getting things confused.

[final hound]

No idea, i killed the hunters without listening to the dialogue, but i can read their file

I remember killing them

[hardy light]

I had no trouble beating the myriad pair, then again scorpion go brrrr

[final hound]

Their weaponry was insane btw

I could definitely see them killing 8 4s based on game mechanics

[swift shale]

Keep in mind that they weren't normal Hunters. Dudes had automatic cannons forget what they are called. Normal Hunters dont.

[final hound]

They were fielding significantly upgraded gear compared to normal hunter

Yes

[balmy pulsar]

I killed them from a distance with 2 marines helping with rockets and snipers, playing on heroic. They were dead before I was considered as entering the area. Just made me scoff when our ai said that part about the 4s

[swift shale]

So yeah, I can easily see how a pair of hunters going BBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT with their cannons can wipe 2 Spartan IV teams

[final hound]

Nah, if you cheese it, sure, if you get up close they pretty much insta kill you

At least on legendary

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[hardy light]

The first time hunters whipped out the auto cannons I was terrified, I never died to hunters tho

[final hound]

Lol same

[unique rune]

Really hoping Halopedia gets updated with more info from Infinite soon so I don’t have to boot up the game any time I want to check something.

[balmy pulsar]

How is it cheesing? The map is huge and they give you any weapon if you earn it. So strategy = cheesing? Maybe the Spartan 4s should have cheesed it

[swift shale]

I was driving to a target, Weapon goes "That elite is dangerous and not to be taken lightly. He is very dangerous." enter scorpion tank

[final hound]

I was also kind of in a warthog so i was a larger target

But they exploded me instantly

[final hound]

💀

[balmy pulsar]

So you’re not playing fair unless you melee a hunter pair to death? 😂😂😂

[final hound]

? Uh

Its cheesing game limitations

[balmy pulsar]

MC + 2 marine grunts > 8 Spartan 4s, got it

[swift shale]

Scorpion tank > Every enemy in the game. lmao

[pulsar grail]

tank beats everything

[final hound]

Youre looking at the confines of the game and then looking at the 8 spartan teams in lore

[unique rune]

The first time I went up against Myriad was on Legendary and I was running really low on ammo for some reason with no vehicles at all. Boy was that a pain.

[final hound]

Obviously the spartans couldnt cheese it

[swift shale]

Rock paper scissors tank.

[final hound]

💀

[balmy pulsar]

Explain, be specific. Someone rolls in with a tank and that’s legit but me sniping and using rockets is cheesing 😂

[hardy light]

as far as I can tell the 4’s we’re unprepared and it was 2 separate occasions

[final hound]

Who said that was legit? You? Both of those methods are called cheesing

[balmy pulsar]

That would make more sense if it was 2 teams different times, not 8 at once

[final hound]

Both are methods of getting it done in a more ideal way

[balmy pulsar]

The game said it was legit when it let me engage them from that distance and with guns it gave me

[final hound]

Yeah no duh 🗿

[swift shale]

Please upload a video of you fighting them legit please. For our amusement and to ensure your dominance

[final hound]

I never said i fought them legit, so no, you do it

I also cheesed it with a marine sentinel hog

[balmy pulsar]

Yes show us you meleeing them to death on heroic or legendary so we can see just how legit you are 😂

[final hound]

The hell are you talking about lmao

[swift shale]

SSSSOOOooooooooooooo your going to disregard how people have done it as cheesing knowing you did is as well?

[final hound]

How legit i am? Are you like, mentally slow or something? I never once made a claim that i took them down on foot💀💀

[balmy pulsar]

When you tell someone they cheesed it because they used a specific weapon or method you are asking to get called out ok it

[swift shale]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-blasphemy-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638722

[hardy light]

I used a needler, and just spammed nades and swapped weapons when I was out

[unique rune]

Whatever the case, a pair of Hunters killing two teams of S-IVs would probably have happened under wildly different circumstances from what Chief had to deal with.

[balmy pulsar]

Elaborate

I mean I get that MC + anything pretty much wins but still

[unique rune]

I mean, in the game you can call in a tank or endless numbers of rocket launchers in part because it’s basically a big open field with wreckage strewn about to scavenge from.

[final hound]

Actually no, i was stating a simple observation about the confines of the game and methods that can be used to make the fight comfortably non existent. You got pissy and offended because you took a simple term like "cheese it" as a slap to your little ego as if i was calling you a bad player or something lmao

[unique rune]

Under other circumstances maybe it’s impractical to drive a tank up to their doorstep or constantly throw rockets at them.

Maybe it’s in a confined space where a tank can’t fit.

Maybe they’re out of reach out of normal UNSC logistics.

[final hound]

Because i definitely never said "cheesing" makes anyone a bad player nor said its such a bad thing to exploit mechanics or use something like a tank

But your ego cant handle that

I definitely didnt fight them legit

I used a sentinel hog loaded with marines

Outside of their hit registration

[balmy pulsar]

You keep trying to explain it away but you still haven’t been able to define exactly what makes something a cheese

[final hound]

Its funny because i explained with pretty full well right there lmao

[final hound]

Oh you want me to explain the meaning of "cheese" to you in game connotation?

[balmy pulsar]

I’m sure we can think of plenty of “we’re screwed” scenarios, if that’s your meaning

[final hound]

Easy enough if you want

[balmy pulsar]

You’re dodging the question with mental gymnastics. Just explain exactly what makes this event in the game we are speaking of cheese or not cheese

Define it

[final hound]

Cheese means exploiting a feature that would make a scenario more comfortable for the player so as not to do battle in a mechanically bog standard sense

[final hound]

Its funny because you apparently cant read

I literally just said id try to explain it

Then you go on to say im dodging you

🗿

Like okay

[balmy pulsar]

I’m regards to this hunter pair event in the game, what is the extent of strategy someone could use before it’s considered cheesing? Can you define it?

In **

Were you the kid in school who was constantly changing the rules in games to always win 😂

[final hound]

Considering its open world? You define the strategy. Under normal circumstances a hunter encounter by someone passing through would be done with whatever available weapons are on hand and in the area

[swift shale]

I vote to disregard futher discussion with @final hound. Troll is being a troll and its best not to feed. Circular arguments are Circular.

[final hound]

Changing rules? Def mentally slow

Whatever lmao

[final hound]

Lmaoo

Please do

Neither of you seem to be able to read

I never even figured you were a part of the discussion but apparently its trolling now😂

[balmy pulsar]

I’m other words in a sandbox game with access to all kinds of weaponry, angles of attack, approaches, etc - there is no such thing as cheesing an event like this. There is only strategy and preference. Understood 👍😂

[final hound]

Also explain why the "argument" is circular? Or did you simply say that because it sounded good?

[balmy pulsar]

😂

[final hound]

With prep and planning involved, yes, you can fight with whatever your heart desires. Staying outside of hitbox range to exploit a distance mechanic is cheesing regardless of how you want to perceive it. That hurts your fragile ego so hard

Because the word "cheese" is very offensive to ppl with fragile egos

Never thought id encounter someone who had a problem with that word, considering gaming communities are chalk full of people literally trying to learn cheesing methods

🗿

[balmy pulsar]

Lmao outside the hit box zone? What are you on about? The marines with me were dead by the end of the fight, we were getting bombarded the whole time. Is that why you say it’s a cheese, because you think I wasn’t even in range to get shot at? Lmaoooo

[final hound]

You're so mad and offended at something so basic that it hurts

[final hound]

You said you sniped them and they never fired at you once lmfao but go off sis

[balmy pulsar]

Now you’re def trolling

[swift shale]

Best not to feed. They go away when they don't get validation.

[balmy pulsar]

This is literally the actual quote. Tell me where it says I didn’t get hit once

Dude calling everyone mentally slow is literally on the short bus

[final hound]

Is this so confusing for you

[final hound]

"Before you were even considered to enter the area"

[balmy pulsar]

Apparently it is very confusing for you, you’re not able to read 😂

[final hound]

Unless youre telling me the game somehow registered you as not entering the area

And yet the hunters were peppering you from beyond that?

If so, miscommunication??

Youre insane if you cant see how that makes one think you werent hit but go off sis

"Snipers", "before entering the area"

[balmy pulsar]

Telling people they can’t read when you fail basic literacy, calling people sis, really guy 😂

Maybe play on heroic or legendary and you’ll see how far away elite mobs shoot at you

[final hound]

Yeah def couldnt read, thats why i read it and told you exactly what you said

Go off sis

[balmy pulsar]

You literally made up your own quote to prove a bs point and it didn’t work, and got called out for it

[last anchor]

I smell confrontation.

[final hound]

I have, maybe if you knew how to read we wouldve been able tocover that

[final hound]

This person got their ego hurt because i used the word "cheese"

No big deal really

[last anchor]

Is it lore related?

Im going to guess no

[final hound]

It was

Used to be

[balmy pulsar]

You interpreted the game not triggering dialogue from the distance I was fighting at to me not even getting hit once - your words not mine 😂

That’s on you

[final hound]

Yeah i def interpreted it as that

[swift shale]

oh no its the po po

[final hound]

It is on me 💀 i never said it wasnt. I figure the game would register as such

[balmy pulsar]

Yeah well this game is still buggy so it’s not all that hard to understand right??

[last anchor]

Wow, I leave for a day of work and this happens.

[final hound]

Is it hard to comprehend that someone would think the game would register you in a fight if youre getting hit by hunters

💀

[balmy pulsar]

No it is not hard for me to comprehend how you would fill you opinion with assumptions 😂

[final hound]

No its totally impossible to understand, apparently you dont know what the word miscommunication means

[final hound]

Yes because its illogical to think a fight wouldnt register as a fight if youre getting hit within their hit zone and detection ranges

Totally delusional lmao

Youre inane

[swift shale]

We are agressively arguing if it is lore accurate if we cheese the enemy

[last anchor]

Yes.

Yes it is.

Spartans are trained to fight and win by any and all means neccecary

Ergo; cheesing is not just accepted; its required.

[final hound]

Lol agreed

[last anchor]

Spartans "do the impossible" do they not? Mendez himself said that.

Remember the first time Chief and the IIs faced a Hunter pair; they dropped a ROCK on them.

[final hound]

Even if the impossible includes me taking a team of 5 marines outfitted with special sentinel beams to cheese a hunter duo

😈

[last anchor]

The Laserback is canon, nothing will convince me otherwise.

[final hound]

I love you and your perception of lore

[versed helm]

eh

[swift shale]

Laserback?

[last anchor]

Razorback with 5 marines armed with Arcane Sentinel Beams

[final hound]

A razorback with lasers

Yep

[last anchor]

Even on Legendary the contstant damage stream from five sources with pinpoint accuracy is terrifying

[swift shale]

Haven't tried that yet...... loads up Halo Infinite

[last anchor]

I have seen this thing melt Phantoms

[gilded mason]

The issue started when somebody didn't think it was possible for the HVT Hunter pair to kill two SIV fireteams at some point, since they, in-game, killed the hunters just fine.

[final hound]

Only thing better at killing vehicles than that is skewerback

[unique rune]

meanwhile me over here taking on every HVT with a Battle Rifle

[final hound]

But the laserback is better for mobs

[final hound]

💀

[last anchor]

So Ive noticed.
Seems to be a case of mistaken generation, yeah.

[final hound]

I have videos of the lazerback if anyone wants to see how fast they kill in dms😈

[last anchor]

Considering the whole point of the IVs was "theres a lot of them and we wont ever know how many because then we can make the player one"

Still mad they killed Black Team instead of IVs.

[last anchor]

Commando, lot of the time, they're all over the map for some reason. Brutes LOVE EM

[final hound]

Yeah i wasnt even trying to offend anyone by the use of the word "cheese" but apparently thats a bad thing to say in some gaming circles (??)

I cheese plenty of fights

[gilded mason]

Yeah, I don't see cheesing as a negative

[last anchor]

Maybe he's a Destiny player. Boss cheese anyone?

[final hound]

Lol

[last anchor]

But again; look at it this way. If a Spartan sees a way to win asymetrically, maintain both their life, and the lives of their allies, AND complete the mission...shurly they would, right?

[final hound]

Ofc

Cheesing is life

[gilded mason]

The main thing is, the hunters would obviously think that way as well, and thus kill the fireteams if their skill and power was greater.

And if the environment was a good setting for them

[last anchor]

Also, IVs die all the time so.

I dont think they killed those IVs ON Zeta either

[final hound]

Ofc ofc, its unfortunate the hunters were able to cheese the mechanics and stay outside of the spartan's hit detection zone though

[last anchor]

The profiles mention the HVTs having done stuff well before this (see several the Brutes whos kill counts includ ecivilians during the HCW)

[final hound]

If not, those spartan 4s wouldve lived

[last anchor]

Probably.
Plot says otherwise sometimes.

[gilded mason]

lol

[last anchor]

Again, see Black Team.

[final hound]

Luckily chief has no such hit detection zone, i think he needs a nerf

[gilded mason]

I say fortunate. 😌

[final hound]

Agreed

Only cause theyre spartan 4s

But i didnt say that in public

[last anchor]

IVs are expendable.
You start killing IIs and IIIs and Im gonna have WORDS

[final hound]

As a feat, it just makes chief look better 😈

[gilded mason]

Any dead spartan is good in my book

[final hound]

Chief > hunter duo > 8 spartan 4s 😈

[versed helm]

Aren't IIIs just expendable as well

[final hound]

We have a sangheili spy 😈

[gilded mason]

Yeah

To both

[final hound]

Unless its a CAT2

[last anchor]

Not even then. They are precious murder children and must be protected

[final hound]

Lol

[versed helm]

Actually aren't IIIs just the most expendable Spartan generation

[gilded mason]

Yes

[final hound]

CAT2 aside yes

And CAT2 was only actualized because they discovered not every 3 was as expendable as they had hoped

So thus, every s3 was expendable to ONI

But i prefer Orca's thought process here

[finite laurel]

i have one question is trailblazer jus recon GEN III?

[unique rune]

Pretty much

[finite laurel]

they look pretty similar

[unique rune]

Armory description says it was developed from MJOLNIR/R, an alternate name for the Recon lineage.

[steel stone]

I looked at a good number of the Gen 3 Mark 7 stuff its just the Halo 5 armor stuff but with a classic touch, id say very nice.

[final hound]

How do we get trailblazer? Is it already available?

[last anchor]

Its in the battlepass I believe

[final hound]

Ooo

[finite laurel]

I do got to say tho MK VI in halo infinite looks FIRE

[final hound]

I need it

[unique rune]

Pretty sure it's one of the later unlocks in the battle pass, yeah

Somewhere in the 70-80 range IIRC

[final hound]

Cant wait to wear that. Pretty sure griffin had it on

[finite laurel]

yeah

[unique rune]

Griffin seemed to just have Mk.VII. It was... Makovich who had Trailblazer?

[final hound]

Griffin was a good spartan leader from the audio and his words to chief, Rip

[unique rune]

No, wait, not Makovich.

Must've been Stone then.

[final hound]

Oh really?

I thought i remember it being griffin

[steel stone]

I swear the dead Recon spartan had another name

[unique rune]

Yeah, it was Stone who had Trailblazer.

[final hound]

Ohhh wait

No

It was a female spartan who had trailblazer

So yeah idk

[final hound]

I see, didnt remember her name

[steel stone]

Makes me wonder if we may come across any Spartan in the game that may have the Mark 5 or some cool looking armor

[final hound]

Mark 5 is really old now 😂 so idk

Would be cool tho

Maybe someone preferred the classics

An appreciator of antiquities

[unique rune]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see one with Mk.V Zeta at some point.

[steel stone]

According to the lore stuff the older armor has been given current gen upgrades so. Remember the old Halo wars Spartan armor, can easily wear that as a Spartan 4 in Halo 5

[final hound]

Ah nice

[steel stone]

Zeta is really good looking as well, sad its helmet is nowhere to be found except the shoulders at this time

[final hound]

I thought the mk5 core was original reach armor

I didnt know it had lore behind it in terms of being retrofitted

[steel stone]

Reach Mark 5 was wearable in Halo 5 and some parts in Halo 3 as well

[ivory stump]

What's the story in the Memory Agent podcast?

[stable brook]

I miss cortana. maybe in the next halo they are gonna explore A.I because of what cortana did. People are gonna be against the weapon in the future. It might get to a point she might start thinking like the evil cortana. I mean she is a copy. I think mastercheif is gonna have to defend the weapon. poor girl. the would be intresting. Also do we really have to wait ten years for the next halo because of the multiplayer? or theey might have dlc campaign.

[autumn shale]

I think halo canon has a video about it

[gilded mason]

Also do we really have to wait ten years for the next halo because of the multiplayer?
There'll be expansions. And Cortana went...the way she did because she was a rampant shard of the base Cortana.

[stable brook]

Do you cortana?

[gilded mason]

What

[stable brook]

do you miss her/

?*

[gilded mason]

I miss her CE/2 self, at least

[stable brook]

im guessing in halo infinite I hope they have a battle pass a.i and cortana is one them

[last anchor]

I wouldnt hold your breath

The multiplayer AI are dumb AI like Dot from Reach or the Superintendent from ODST (hence why you get him in game)(

[olive dragon]

I have a theory that Halo Infinite implies the entirety of the Halo Universe is an open time loop. In other words chiefs actions in the sequel to Halo Infinite or in the DLC will cause a time loop that will inadvertently cause the rest of the events in the lore before returning to his own time. The monitor of Zeta Halo says the rings on the Zeta Halo predate the forerunners implying them to be precursor or something else. It is heavily implied that the Endless can mess with time in some way (Unless they mean time as a stand in for legacy which in that case the theory blows up). The evidence is scant other than the monitor speculating on the forerunners being doomed to repeat the same mistakes. I know the evidence is scant, but I think this is a neat idea and have not seen anyone else bring it up so do with it what you will.

[silk adder]

So...who is medicant bias?

[olive dragon]

Mendicant Bias was an AI designed by the Forerunners to fight the flood, but after containment of the initial outbreak and capture of the first Gravemind he was infected with the logic plague. He then defected to the Flood before being defeated by his "brother" offensive bias. He was locked away on the Ark and then helped chief subtly during the Halo 3 campaign

In short he is a really powerful AI who would command fleets and armies optimally

[versed helm]

hi I just got into Halo and am playing Halo Infinite, what did Cortana do that was bad?

also who is she

[olive dragon]

She went into the Domain and was corrupted by something there. She then attacked the sentient races of the Galaxy with forerunner tech.

[gilded mason]

I feel like you should start with Halo CE to have better context on...everything.

[versed helm]

I kinda just got it because I thought it was fun I didn't know how indepth the lore was tbh

[olive dragon]

She was a ship borne AI who was put into chiefs armor during CE due to the Mjolnir systems being similar to that of the Autumns

and the Cole protocal

protocol***

[versed helm]

interesting

[olive dragon]

basically do not allow the Covenant to obtain ship borne AI because they will discover Earths location as well as UNSC battle tactics

[gilded mason]

But anyway, Cortana's mind went corrupted from age-related issues and then turned the entire galaxy into an authoritarian police state.

[versed helm]

what a meanie

[olive dragon]

Indeed

[versed helm]

Good theory

[stable brook]

How many rings are left?

[gilded mason]

7

[stable brook]

ostral is the weapon the child of john? or halsey

because playing infintee felt like daughter and father time. it's wierd.

Does john pay child support?

does he have a 401k?

[gilded mason]

She was made with another of Halsey's brains.

So Cortana's sister, basically.

[stable brook]

damn john is really babysitting cortana sister.

[split flax]

7, not including the ark and the ring inside the ark.

[tulip elk]

It's still Cortana, just a copied and not compromised.

Think of Cortana as like a factory reset.

[autumn shale]

A guy I know literally thinks cortana is immune to rampancy and what happened to her in halo 4 and halo 5 is a different thing

I'm not even sure if he plays halo

[swift shale]

Copy of cortana. Which begs the question, did halsey make another clone and kill them for the brain to make it?

or did the AI production process change?

[gilded mason]

She already had the brain available. Cortana was made from one of several clones she made of herself. And the plot of Shadows of Reach was going back to that planet to pick up the other ones that were left on ice there.

[nocturne spade]

Yeah Weapon is basically a virtual copy of a clone brain that didn't make the cut originally.

[hybrid ermine]

Does MJOLNIR suit can provide the Spartans with nutrition?

[nimble laurel]

How about this just imagine cortana took out the weapon and replaced her and used a dumb ai to make it seem that she's gone and your running g around with the original trojan horse style lol

[autumn shale]

Who put the master chief in the soder

[versed helm]

I’m pretty sure she just cloned her brain, which is why it was so unethical. She made X amount of cloned brains, but only 2 survived

[cedar lance]

Real talk, cause I don't know, tf happened to Jun in reach? Like where he go

[weak coral]

he goes with dr halsey to baby sit her and pick her up some mcdonalds on the way back to Anywhere But Reach

they start the Spartan IV program

[cedar lance]

Ah alright, better be eating that mcrib with the szechuan sauce

[nimble laurel]

Hypothetical
chief finally finishes the fight do you think
A. He will be forced to retire with the highest honours.
B. Stay in active service as a spartan trainer
C.take on a command role within the spartan branch

[bronze schooner]

Ways

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm sea turtles mate lol

[bronze schooner]

D. Takes another nap in a cryopod until they can peel him out for something again

[loud fjord]

The flood hunter is not so easily felled, maybe he was actually on earth like he was in ODST.

[teal sphinx]

The forerunners were monke

[vernal notch]

He and Stacker somehow left together

[bronze schooner]

They captured the Truth and Reconciliation so maybe a couple got in a Spirit and flew out before MCKAY BLEW UP THE ENTIRE SHIP JUST BECAUSE OF A COUPLE FLOOD INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY SEARCHING FOR THEM AND KILLING THEM

[split flax]

Chief is only in his 40’s... hardly retirement age.

[bronze schooner]

Especially for a Spartan

[stable brook]

Damn he's that young

[near juniper]

People forget he’s usually in a cryo tube lol

At least in the game timeline

Subtracting the five years he spent in the Dawn he’s 44 years old

Biologically

[nimble laurel]

@true garnet use #485883236430512168 that's your best place for answers

[true garnet]

Thank you, I apologize for any inconvenience

[nimble laurel]

@true garnet it's all good mate no worries

[clear beacon]

He's biologically probably early-mid twenties

The augmentation process has the spartans age quite a bit slower

[steep drum]

Yall ever wonder how uncomfortable it must be for someone like Cal-141 to fit all that hair into her helmet. I mean seriously does she just fold it into a pile or smth lmao

[clear beacon]

dont think abt it too hard

LMFAO

Most spartans have their heads shaved

[steep drum]

Ye

Meanwhile Cal be lookin like Rapunzel

XD

[clear beacon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Legends technically is canon (excluding spartan 1337) but there are many liberties taken

[steep drum]

Fam 1337 is always canon

He’s the ultimate spartan

lmao

[clear beacon]

Origins 2 cant be canon either

many things in it are just flat out wrong

even if it's a baller short 🙏

[steep drum]

Yap yap the destroyer should be canon

[clear beacon]

I think he is

[steep drum]

g o o d

[versed helm]

Xalanyn

[unique rune]

Ehhh, it's canon enough in the sense that it's framed as Cortana trying to make sense of information she's picked up over the years. It's not all going to 100% align with what we know as outside viewers, but I think it fits fine as an in-universe perspective with only some of the details.

[steep drum]

Ngl everyone teaming up to fight the Flood is badass

[clear beacon]

It is, but it didn't happen lmfao

[steep drum]

Ik ;-;

pain

[clear beacon]

cortana was there

[steep drum]

Halo What If when 343

[clear beacon]

Low-key want to know if there are any romances in the spartan squads 😳

[steep drum]

same

[unique rune]

Some of Black Team's members had a bit of a thing going on at one point.

[clear beacon]

I havent read the black team comic

[unique rune]

Bloodline is pretty solid. Would recommend.

[clear beacon]

Willdo

[steep drum]

I got most of my lore info from lore youtubers

I have no cash money lmao

[clear beacon]

Yeah I get it

I did too

but they skip a lot of the minute details

like learning about the Sangheli culture and diet

that was pretty swag

or getting a taste for the different personalities of blue-team

[steep drum]

Ye

[final hound]

Old message but i agree

Shes so sweet and wholesome that it hits you, esp when she asked chief 'why dont you trust me'

She acts like an intelligent newborn

its not that he doesnt trust you, hes trying to protecc

[flint ginkgo]

i am starting to wonder with the upcoming TV series, are they gonna start making new spartan II characters that is not part of the established ones

[final hound]

Hm, spartan 2s are meant to be rare, so idk

Its possible

Only 25 were left on reach

And nobody knows how many survived, main s2s aside

[stable brook]

Wait how rare sparten? I thought they were kinda everywhere. I thought they just get augmented and train and straight to battle.

[twilit linden]

☠️

[final hound]

Theyre .. pretty rare big chief

Depends on the generation as well

It all started with an ORION project (which Sgt Johnson was a part of), which is hailed as the predecessor of the SPARTAN project

It failed

Next came the SPARTAN II project

Marketed as a big success, they used malicious methods to select the best candidates; kidnapped prepubescent children

[stable brook]

Is MasterChef Spartan 2

[final hound]

Chief is a spartan 2

Yes

[stable brook]

Wow

[final hound]

There were only 75 candodates of the 2 program

And only half survived (capably) the augmentation process

[stable brook]

I heard the Spartan 3 is where people volunteer to be augmented and to become Spartan is that true?

[final hound]

Then by the time the covenant attacked Reach, only 25 spartans were known to be active

[stable brook]

Like lock

[unique rune]

no

[stable brook]

Oh

[final hound]

Now there are only 14 known active spartans iirc

[unique rune]

Spartan-III was created using war orphans who "volunteered"

[final hound]

Locke is a Spartan 4

[unique rune]

Spartan-IV is consenting adult volunteers

[final hound]

Yes

Spartan 3s are an expendable version of 2s

With significantly weaker field gear

SPI armor vs Mjolnir, augmentation that was rushed, less training, however they were still nearly as capable as 2s. Some even performed on a similar level as 2s. They called the proficient ones CAT2s

[stable brook]

Do they still make mjolnir armor?

[final hound]

That was noble team

[final hound]

Yes

[unique rune]

MJOLNIR is pretty standard equipment for Spartans at this point.

[final hound]

Now come 2557, the covenant lost the war

[unique rune]

Spartan-IIIs broadly weren't issued MJOLNIR because it was expensive and they'd inevitably be sent off to die anyways.

[final hound]

The spartan 4 project is now trying to move away from any bad publicity of the previous projects human rights violations and such

So now its open market, less invasive augmentations, significantly more modern combat armor

[unique rune]

Post-War MJOLNIR production is cheaper and more efficient and not given to those who would ultimately be killed en masse in suicidally dangerous operations.

[stable brook]

So the girl in the cutscene for halo infinite in the training area. Would she be considered a spartan 3? She was aware ophran and volunteer to become a sparten.

[unique rune]

No

[final hound]

Shes a 4

[unique rune]

Agryna is a Spartan-IV

[final hound]

Spartan 2s and 3s are no longer in production

Everything after 2557 is a S4

3s werent as rare mind you, there were several hundred per company

[stable brook]

Interesting. I'm enjoying the lore a lot then i thought.

[final hound]

But they were still more rare than 4s

Welcome to Halo lore

😈

It gets really complex when you start to research forerunners

[stable brook]

@final hound in reach why was MasterChef in cryo sleep?

[final hound]

It ties into the novelization, lindas also on board

It kinda retcons some stuff mind you

Bungie said game takes precedence

[stable brook]

You know anything about grunts? What's there back story and why there fighting? I remember hearing and watching a video where grunts home planet was destroyed

[final hound]

Their planet was glassed when they rebelled against the covenant

They also had to send an arbiter to take care of it

The grunts are dismissed as slave labor for the most part

The covenant really mistreated grunts

Their story is sad

When they rebelled, it was a huge threat to the covenant, as there were trillions of grunts

[wary bay]

Too sad 😦 ungoy deserve rights too

[final hound]

They glassed their planet to kill their spirit

[final hound]

Indeed, unggoy are too wholesome for the covenant

[stable brook]

Btw what happened with civil war with sangilieeeeee in halo 5?

[final hound]

Do you mean what happened in the end? Or how did it start

I know it was fueled by humanity meddling

They wanted to make sure their "allies" stayed in check

After Halo 3, they knew there would be nothing upholding the fragile alliance outside of the Arbiter being honorable

[fossil hollow]

i have a question : i know we hear a grunt talking about it in halo infinite's campaign but is spartan locke dead ?

[final hound]

Unfortunately nobody knows the answer to that

Theres a brute spartan slayer who wears lockes helmet on his shoulder pauldron

So it looks pretty bleak

[stable brook]

I hope he's okay. He was interesting. Saw his movie.

[final hound]

Same

It would be a mistake to just kill off osiris

Just bc the game itself wasnt the ideal halo

[topaz sierra]

HOT topic

will infinite get a sequel