#lore-and-universe

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versed helm
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But it said on Halopedia he died at 17

digital parrot
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I didn’t know if he was 17

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Ah okay prolly 17

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I just based his age randomly from what I know

unique rune
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I don't really mind it either way, since I figure it's not too much of a stretch that the Skirmisher classification would've had some roots in Kig-Yar culture, but at the same time it would've been fine just left as a unique development of the T'vaoan's circumstances.

gilded mason
versed helm
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Ah I see that now

digital parrot
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What was noble sixes title?

gilded mason
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Otherwise it'd mean ONI took him when he was two years old

digital parrot
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Him and master chief have it

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Rated “something”

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Super deadly or something

gilded mason
versed helm
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I wondered how be did so much by that age lol

digital parrot
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Hyper lethal that’s what it was

gilded mason
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John and B312 are not unique

digital parrot
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I thought him and noble six were the only designations with hyper lethal?

gilded mason
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No

versed helm
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It seems they were perceived to be

digital parrot
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I remember seeing something like that in lore

unique rune
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It's been retconned

versed helm
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Yes I've seen that too

gilded mason
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Though they should've gotten rid of the term entirely

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It's really silly.

unique rune
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Bungie originally wrote it as B312 plus the implication that 117 was also rated as hyper-lethal

digital parrot
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Ah okay

unique rune
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343's gradually written things to broaden its scope

digital parrot
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Okay okay gotcha

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I don’t know much lore from halo five onwards

versed helm
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Dr. Catherine Halsey stated that B312 shared a "hyper-lethal" rating with only one other Spartan

unique rune
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Just limiting it to B312 and 2552 John is... a little silly and kinda reductive

digital parrot
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I just like reading the lore from the stuff

versed helm
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Their rating, not the fact that they were hyper lethal

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Whatever that means lol

unique rune
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I mean, the "hyper lethal" rating was just a really juvenile and cheap way to try and hype up Noble Six

gilded mason
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^

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Basically a way to get players to want to play as him

unique rune
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"no we swear he's a Certified Cool Guy™️ just like the Master Chief"

versed helm
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Marketing

gilded mason
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Yup

versed helm
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So they tried to engrain that marketing in the lore lol

gilded mason
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Sadly

versed helm
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I'm literally going through the 16 hour saga on youtube of all the video stuff

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So I've been digging in to try and put the timeline of everything together

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naturally, theres some questions haha xD

digital parrot
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If you could link the video that would help me!

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I need to catch up

versed helm
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Are we allowed to link stuff here, I'll happily link it

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There's also a playlist version where they break it down into 'episodes' if that's easier

digital parrot
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That works

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I need to see it all

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Only book I read was about the mono lisa

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That was crazy

versed helm
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I read the first 3 books like.. almost 20 years ago

digital parrot
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Yeah I read the book when I was like 12 13

versed helm
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That's it. I bought newer copies, gonna go through them again once I watch all this crap. Need a good framework of the entire timeline, then gonna plug in the all the details

versed helm
digital parrot
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Have you played the campaign yet?

versed helm
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I've played some of it

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but not all

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And you?

teal steppe
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Where did blue team and Osiris go after halo 5?

clever elk
# teal steppe Where did blue team and Osiris go after halo 5?

We don't know about Osiris, but we do know that Blue Team went back to Reach to get more of Halsey's research, which would later heavily influence Halo Infinite (I won't say how since I don't know how this channel would work with spoilers for Infinite)

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Also.
Theory: Installation 08's firing in Halo 3 failed due to it being incomplete.
Evidence: Flood in HW2, Master Chief surviving even though he didn't make it through the portal

gilded mason
clever elk
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How do you get "redirected mid-transit"?

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and, if I remember correctly, there was another slipspace portal that happened after the events of Halo 3. I may just be dumb though and misunderstood this

gilded mason
lunar drum
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Why is flood being in HW2 evidence? The Halo rings firing doesn't kill the flood.

clever elk
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No it kills their food. The Halo Rings are designed to annihilate the nervous system, which is what the Flood uses to take over things

vestal grove
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^

clever elk
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We could see in Awakening the Nightmare that there was still a crapton of flood in High Charity (which is still a little confusing because Chief blew up High Charity at the end of the Cortana mission)

vestal grove
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The idea is to starve them out.

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It's sort of like a war of attrition...

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At this point at least.

clever elk
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Exactly. Without the host's nervous systems then the flood would basically be able to do nothing

lunar drum
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The question wasn't how the ring works. It is why it is evidence.

vestal grove
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Lol, forerunners go burrrrr.

digital parrot
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Y’all remember when chief was almost infected by the flood?

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But Cortana saved him

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Crazy read

vestal grove
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I'd have to revisit that. Something about the hivemind or something...

clever elk
lunar drum
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I don't think it would leave them alive. The point is to kill the food. You realize the brain is part of the nervous system right?

clever elk
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The infection form in the combat forms would still live though

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They wouldn't be able to control the host though

left vortex
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Serious answers only

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Where do Space ships dump their human waste

gilded mason
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Probably just into space

clever elk
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Or maybe recycling it, possibly using it for compost (yes, this is a thing. People use waste as compost even today)

left vortex
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Compress it into a hard ball and fire it out the MAC

clever elk
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I thought you said serious answers

blazing sage
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MAC is serious business

vestal grove
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Oh, you know... thinking about MAC cannons and stuff...

versed helm
radiant dove
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is the proto gravemind we find in ce what led to the gravemind in 2?

gilded mason
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Nope

hallow siren
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Are there any confirmed images on what Precursors looked like? Or is it all Fan art on what they "might look like". I've seen some images but they can't be as big as a gravemind can they?

The images I've seen are all different. None are the same.

gilded mason
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Gravemind in 2 was active for a a very long time

gilded mason
clever elk
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we know that the Flood Outbreak on Delta Halo had been active for a very, very long time

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the protogravemind in CE was destroyed when Chief blew up Alpha Halo (another name for Installation 04), or even before that when the Truth and Rec got destroyed

rose tartan
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Hey folks, I'm working on a video essay script and I had a lore question since based off my memory and general knowledge I couldn't quite remember if Noble 6 had the personality I remembered. Would Six, in an alternate scenario go against Chief if ordered to, similar to how Locke did, but say because he was ordered to by ONI during the events of Halo 2 - 3 when the alliance was forming. Or does that not fit his personality at all?

left gazelle
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Idk ask him

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Oh wait

gilded mason
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He doesn't really have much of a personality, so who knows.

rose tartan
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Bit tough to do isn't it?

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I was wondering because I'm thinking of a "what if" type scenario for a part of this. We know he was a headhunter and a kind of "private assassin" for some higher up at ONI or somewhere else. Do you think if ordered to by ONI he would kill/attempt to kill the Chief? Especially since this IS the same faction responsible for ||killing most of his old team as well as the reason Reach was lost||

clever elk
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there were a couple quotes and gestures that hint at some personality for 6.
"I aim to please" (End Cutscene for Sword Base)
Holding Jorge's dogtags in the starting cutscene for Exodus and in the ending cutscene for New Alexandria
"That's a one-way trip." at the end of Long Night of Solace

rose tartan
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Right and I thought about that

acoustic aspen
rose tartan
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I feel like it wouldn't be totally out of character for him to feel some kind of anger towards the Covenant and find it to be a load of BS that he's now supposed to join forces the very group responsible for so much that Six has seen first hand.

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I know it was the Arbiter and the start of the Swords of Sanghelios at first but I'm just saying Covenant since the Brutes and Truth were really the only ones not to switch sides.

clever elk
# acoustic aspen It also kills off graveminds. per the books.

And that makes sense since the entire aspect of the gravemind is the fact that they have all the knowledge of the things that makes up the gravemind. Since halo destroys nervous systems, that includes brains, which is most of the reason graveminds are so smart, other than the Primordial stuff

rose tartan
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And the grunts well, they just go with whoever's strongest

clever elk
rose tartan
gilded mason
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Though hopefully Six would be smart enough and have enough foresight to know that the Covenant separatists would be the only reason humanity won't go extinct.

vestal grove
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Hopeful is a good word for it.

rose tartan
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I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't sound crazy for including a "what if ||Noble Six didn't die in Reach||" because I have 4 variations for how this could end, 1 with Chief being killed (in a very specific scenario), 1 with Chief and maybe the Arbiter killing Six, 1 with Six basically saying "hey Chief, ONI suck, l'm not going to kill you" and the last one being Arbiter convincing Six.

gilded mason
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Though why would John be the assassination target in this scenario, anyway?

rose tartan
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Well it IS ONI

unique rune
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B312 is such a non-character that you could really go any direction you wanted with it. None of his dialogue really communicates any kind of bigger personality or character traits.

gilded mason
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^

vestal grove
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ONI plays the deepest games, no?

clever elk
gilded mason
clever elk
vestal grove
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It's more a zen thing than a logic thing... maybe?

rose tartan
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And maybe they see the alliance being something they don't want because the covenant could end the war just as soon as they earned the humans trust. Remember how ONI ALSO weaponized a virus to specifically cull the Elite and Kig-Yar population after the alliance was formed?

unique rune
gilded mason
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What I mean is, John really doesn't have much to do with the alliance. If he dies, it'd still go on.

vestal grove
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Well, wouldn't have Sanghelios become too powerful if not for that virus, eventually going down the line where the Covenant rebellion would've never happened?

rose tartan
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I imagine the arbiter may lose it if he found out

rose tartan
unique rune
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It's still super weird to me that John and Thel are so often depicted as being really close despite not really being shown interacting with each other much.
Like I guess they might've done some hardcore team-building exercises in the month-long trip to the Ark, but outside of that...

rose tartan
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I imagine it would go something like that

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at first at least

clever elk
rose tartan
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"Chief"
"Arbiter"
"Good talking to you, I'll be going now"

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Also I do find it weird, they tell us, rather than show us. Something that I learned in my high school writing class is that it's something you never you want to do, though admittedly it's not as easy to avoid as you might hope.

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Unless it's a video game, movie, or TV show

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That's why you see so many people on Youtube complaining when there's an exposition dump without us being shown anything.

final hound
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A head nod is enough to consider them as close as they could get to anyone really

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They don't seem to be the 'open up about their emotions' type

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I just assume most of the time theyre fighting side by side, and co op is often the canon

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Good example is Johnson and Chief. Chief hardly expresses any emotions towards Johnson, even if you could tell they are close because Johnson is so lively. But Arbiter, being more like Chief, means neither really convey the bond outwardly, but theyre both aware of it while being there

clever elk
final hound
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Yep, it took a heavy moment like that for chief to display anything lol

rose tartan
final hound
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Saame

clever elk
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absolutely

final hound
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Its honestly tied now though

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With spoiler

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Infinite moment

clever elk
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I'd say that moment and any moment where Chief is in a Tank is my favorite chief moment

final hound
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||Chief talking about Cortana to the Pilot||

rose tartan
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You do see his shoulders sag and you really get a sense that he's on the verge of tears, but then he remembers what he is and that he has a job to do. He lifts himself back up and finishes the fight.

fiery chasm
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Random question what's everyone's favorite halo game?

final hound
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3

rose tartan
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3

final hound
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W

rose tartan
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Reach is very close

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very very close

clever elk
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(don't bash on me) 4

final hound
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After 3, its 2

final hound
fiery chasm
final hound
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I think the only one i think of as objectively bad is 5

clever elk
final hound
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And even that had some good moments

clever elk
fiery chasm
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Ya same

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It was bland

rose tartan
final hound
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4 is just decent to me, its less than 1,2,3, reach, but a solid story

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The mystery is fun

clever elk
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I enjoyed the asthetic of the Promethean weapons, though I wished they had a little more variety than they did. THey were just reskinned Covenant or UNSC weapons

stable flower
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^

final hound
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Same, but i didnt really like the promethean design of top heaviness

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Otherwise i like everything else

stable flower
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They're nerfed for gameplay purposes

clever elk
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I'm pretty sure the Lightrifle in 4 did more damage when you zoomed in though, so that was a little interesting

final hound
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True

final hound
fiery chasm
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I hated the promityian flying things

clever elk
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not just that but i think it took less shots to kill a watcher

final hound
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Hmm

clever elk
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the Watchers were dumb. they were way too overpowered

final hound
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Oh the watchers were annoying lol

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Fr

rose tartan
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I will say this, while I almost hate 4, it has without a doubt my favorite villain, I just wish his lore wasn't only in the books because for people that just play the games and don't care much about the lore, they're just like "who's this schmuck? Why should I care?" But then you have lore nuts like us where we're here in awe at the sight of the Didact and realize just how dangerous he is.

fiery chasm
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Ya really

final hound
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Oh HELL yes

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I love didact

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I love forerunner stuff

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So when didact came out

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It was amazing

clever elk
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I was disappointed with the final part of 4, with the pulse grenade and the quicktime against the didact

rose tartan
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I LOVE the Forerunner trilogy.

fiery chasm
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Yaaassss

rose tartan
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The Forerunner era is to me the most interesting part of Halo

final hound
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I was like

fiery chasm
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I made my own halo lore group with some of my friends

final hound
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😭

rose tartan
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I mean minus the Precursors because their level of existence is just mindblowing.

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And we know so little

final hound
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Didact is awesome, but he shouldve been the final final boss

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Of the entire saga

rose tartan
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I mean they are nigh-godlike beings and we know so little

fiery chasm
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We covered a lot of the halo lore

final hound
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If they planned it out properly, didact wouldve been the true final boss

rose tartan
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If they planned it properly more people would've had a reason to care about the Didact..

final hound
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True lol

unique rune
clever elk
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technically he still could, since he was composed, so he could still return, just not physically (except maybe as a Promethean)

fiery chasm
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Does anyone else want bungie to release pre ce halo

clever elk
fiery chasm
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No it was the ot ce

rose tartan
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I remember playing through 4 with my friend last year and the whole time I was like "You have no idea how significant it is that The Didact is in the game, like it's insane how awesome this is and how important of a character he is!" and he was just like "huh?"

fiery chasm
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Og

versed helm
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The Mac Halo?

final hound
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Again that was me lol

fiery chasm
unique rune
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Finishing Infinite's campaign has made me want to replay 4's, honestly.
Might get started on that later.

clever elk
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I recently beat Halo 4 on Legendary

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I chose 4 since I was most familiar with it

fiery chasm
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I played 4 on 360

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Originally

clever elk
fiery chasm
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Then I got mcc

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I played it after mcc

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Came out

rose tartan
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Anyways, time to replay Reach so I have a better feel for the game before finishing this video essay

final hound
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Halo 5 is the only halo ive only touched once

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Every other halo ive beat at least 5 times

clever elk
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Can anyone explain to me about the Promethean Soldiers in Halo 5? Like, what are they?

final hound
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🗿

fiery chasm
final hound
clever elk
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I remember seeing the term "Armiger" but I have no idea what they are and why they exist

final hound
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I completely forgot promethean soldiers even existed

fiery chasm
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Lol

final hound
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Thats how little i cared for 5

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The only part i remember is sanghelios

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😈

clever elk
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I haven't played 5, but I've seen walkthroughs of it

unique rune
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They're pretty much just another type of Forerunner combat machine. Not really much more to their lore beyond it.

clever elk
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ah ok

fiery chasm
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Before I played reach I watched spoilers on YouTube I regret it

fiery chasm
final hound
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I miss reach

fiery chasm
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Remembering Reach

clever elk
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are the Crawlers also like the Soldiers? I've never found out because they're never mentioned like anywhere

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and watchers too I guess

final hound
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The crawlers are composed dogs imo

unique rune
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Crawlers are similar in that they're simple AI not created from any kind of composed souls.

tame citrus
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All the prometheans are composed humans and aliens turned into slaves basically

clever elk
final hound
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Your chihuahua got composed? Crawler time

clever elk
tame citrus
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Lol

unique rune
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Watchers are apparently split off from the soul of the Knight that generates them, if I recall correctly.

tame citrus
final hound
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They should have different breeds of crawler for every breed of dog imo

clever elk
final hound
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Pug crawlers would surely be intimidating

clever elk
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though I definitely think it should have taken more time for them to regenerate the knights and the knights shouldn't have been as tough

fiery chasm
final hound
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I think i remember someone making a summary on why it was tough

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Tougher than usual

clever elk
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that would make killing the Knights more viable to kill first, since the watcher would be tempted into reviving, putting it in one spot

final hound
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Forerunner weapons lacked the same punch as plasma on shields

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So you'd basically be forced to sponge them

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Which makes sense

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Personally i never liked the idea of forerunner weaponry being non power weapons

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Hardlight should be op

fiery chasm
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Imagine if plasma acted like real plasma in the campaign

final hound
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Lol

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Lots of people burning

fiery chasm
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Ya

final hound
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A single plasma bolt would be potentially deadly to non shielded targets

clever elk
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I also enjoyed the concept of the Prometheans since there would absolutely have been other methods that the forerunners tried to deal with the flood, and we had to deal with the consequences of such attempts

fiery chasm
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I have a question is the insinarater hardlight to?

clever elk
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Incinerator?

fiery chasm
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Sorry

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The insinaratiton cannon

unique rune
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The Incineration Cannon fires some kind of antimatter particles

fiery chasm
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Ook

unique rune
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Pretty sure the Binary Rifle is similar in that regard

clever elk
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I'm not even going to ask how that works

unique rune
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Forerunner space magic

fiery chasm
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Imagine how expensive the promotion military was

weary heart
fiery chasm
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Sorry promethean

final hound
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They fire positronic lightning something or other

unique rune
weary heart
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ok

final hound
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Which is basically just anti matter

clever elk
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Anti-electrons

fiery chasm
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But how the heck do you collect those!!!???

unique rune
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Forerunner space magic

don't think about it too hard

final hound
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Bruh, forerunner tech is silly

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They can activate supernovas

fiery chasm
final hound
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And create solar systems

fiery chasm
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Bro

final hound
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Theyre insane

clever elk
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When anything doesn't make sense: "Forerunner Space Magic"

final hound
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💀

fiery chasm
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Imagine 2560 humans fighting foruners

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We would be crushed

final hound
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Yeah it makes a lot less sense when you learn about the forerunner lore

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Didact got taken out by plot

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And plot alone

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Nothing in the covenant or human arsenal would destroy the Mantles Approach

fiery chasm
final hound
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Broken

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Just like the didact

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He was one of their premier generals tbf

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But imagine that most of the other ones are somewhat as capable as him

fiery chasm
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Has anyone seen the halo infinite legendary ending

final hound
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I havent finished the game yet

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But i heard that

fiery chasm
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O

final hound
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||atriox is shown||

fiery chasm
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Can I tell you?

final hound
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Yeah i dont mind spoilers

clever elk
final hound
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Oh i see

fiery chasm
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Ok cool

clever elk
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The legendary ending does something else

final hound
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Is it ||precursor||

clever elk
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No

final hound
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Hmm

fiery chasm
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Basically it's the big foruner

clever elk
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?

fiery chasm
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Ai

clever elk
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Oh

fiery chasm
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That was soppost to combat the flood

clever elk
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There's 2 lol

fiery chasm
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Not the one that went rogue

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It was being made again

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Yes

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Offense bias

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It was being activated by atreox

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Apparently he didn't die

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I hope I dident spoil anyone's campain run

final hound
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I just want to know why atriox is supposedly ||dead throughout the whole campaign||

fiery chasm
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Who know

final hound
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Even though ||we all know he wouldnt be||

fiery chasm
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I mean it looked like him

final hound
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Yeah, but idk why they made a point of trying to make it seem like ||atriox was dead||

fiery chasm
final hound
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I guess its their way of ||not killing atriox in this game alone? Perhaps||

final hound
fiery chasm
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I mean it looked like him and he had a burn scar on him from supposedly ding in infinity

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Dieing

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Also do you think that they should of brought back the falcon from reach or do you thing it was the right chose to bring the wasp back

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In halo infinite

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Just your opinion

celest stone
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I thought they were gonna bring back the Hornet

fiery chasm
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Really

pulsar grail
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nah bring in the halo wars vehicles for forge

fast jay
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Lmao that would quite the show

dense pulsar
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Did all the Spartan 4s get smoked?

versed helm
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idk

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im really mad 343 cant make it into halo infinite

versed helm
tired terrace
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I honestly expect hornets to make it into the game soon actually

versed helm
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yeah

tired terrace
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Coop doesn’t make much sense when everybody has to take their own wasps like that

versed helm
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yeah true tho

left light
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Falcons would be perfect to have the whole squad together.

unique rune
untold wasp
opal gazelle
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and the specter only existed so Arbiter could have warthog sections in campaign

vestal grove
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What about the Elephant?

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slaps Could prolly fit... Idk, 50 spartans on that bad boy.

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The M312 Heavy Recovery Vehicle, and commonly known as the Elephant, is a heavy UNSC Marine Corps Mobile Assault, Support, and Recovery Platform. It appears as a unit in Halo Wars and as an ally-controlled vehicle in both Halo: Spartan Assault and Halo: Spartan Strike.

left light
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Plus it might also be the fact given their forces are scattered and having to fight using gorilla warfare having mobile operational bases like elephants and mammoths would be very proficient.

vestal grove
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I see.

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Well thats great news, one of my favorite vehicles in the games I think.

minor sky
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Whats up with the Monitor redesigns in Infinite?

left light
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what I think 343 should do is make it where banished constantly try to retake your bases every once and awhile you can upgrade them with turrets then just marine unit's and have ODST's command spartan squads have stealth mission's as we see in the deceased field there's ODST's, ONI etc

minor sky
pale coral
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It'd be like fallout 4 all over again

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If I recall correctly that got pretty negative reviews from fallout fans

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the whole base system

left light
left light
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Then again DLC and updates are a thing only time will tell.

vestal grove
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@pale coral It sounds like Fallout 4, but actually reminds me of Total War: Warhammer's new take on sieges.

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Since the siege battles are tied with the campaign anyways... or they could be remade in Forge.

left light
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I was trying to think of a certain game but I think it could be handled well if it's not downright annoying like settlements, I think it's best for the future to decide that, I think 343 might add new valor like spartans-IV's, ODST's and new vehicles plus guns.

unique rune
minor sky
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Given how Locke's fate is a bit up in the air, I'd love some DLC that takes place before Infinite with Locke doing some behind enemy lines stuff. Idk, I figured that would be neat

left light
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So I was thinking about how easy the Banished hit the Infinity and it hit me. Halo Infinite says it had a crew of 7,150.

To put into context why thats important, pre-2558 it had a crew of 17,151; post-2558 it had a crew of 18,262.

Infinity was severely understaffed as in the lore many spartans which infinity has 300-500 at a time onboard might've been elsewhere fighting.

swift shale
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Is there a book i missed? What happened between Halo 5 and Halo Infinite. How did Atriox get off the ark? I think it was the ark. gonna have to replay HW2 to remember.

vestal grove
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I think the last book I remember reading was uh... either Fall of Reach or Ghosts of Onyx.

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The ending to Onyx was something else- in every sense of the word.

still ferry
gilded mason
tawny sparrow
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Yknow, I just had a thought, it kinda makes sense that the flood didn’t show up in this game. In HW2, we see that Atriox is smart enough to leave the flood alone, and humanity certainly doesn’t wanna deal with it, and Cortana wouldn’t unleash it on what she’s trying to take control of unless every single species rebels, which the grunts didn’t. And even then Cortana realizes that the flood can “infect” AI too since she spent that stint of time on high charity. Flood would’ve been awesome to fight, but kinda makes sense they didn’t come back… yet

dense pulsar
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Too many Spartan IVs will be dead at some point

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ONI will go "Spartan IVs weren't that good. time for Spartan Vs. Get the kids ready"

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The Spartan Vs will be like Spartan IIIs but with II augments and armor

unique rune
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I mean they don’t really need the augmentations from the S-II program

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S-II augmentations would be a step back, if anything

versed helm
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Mmm, I disagree. I think the S-II’s were the best

peak veldt
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What's the meaning of the forerunner symbol that's the Marathon logo in the Bungie Halos and legally distinct Marathon logo on the non-Bungie Halos?

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Guess not just Bungie Halos. It's on Halo 4 too and means reclaimer.

desert hawk
#

whats the in lore explanation why spartan armor has different colors

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in real life most armies have the similar color scheme for uniformity

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Plus i dont see how really bright colors can help with camouflage.

peak veldt
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Feels like Halo explains it away with team designations, ranks, specializations.

left gazelle
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Cause it looks cool

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All Spartans same color = hard to tell who is who

vestal grove
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You think Master Chief would have tried painting with watercolors if he wasn't so busy saving everyone?

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"Para los gustos, los colores."

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Or... "gustibus non disputadum".

left gazelle
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MC was trained to kill, not paint.

vestal grove
#

I can keep going...

left gazelle
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What would he even paint anyway

vestal grove
#

But its futile in your case.

#

Who knows?

peak veldt
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He would paint a "Mom" tattoo on his shoulder armor but instead of Mom either Cortana or Halsey.

vestal grove
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Last one: the pen is mightier than the sword, and we know he at least did some writing back home. Calamus gladio fortior.

left gazelle
#

Pew pew bang bang aliens

steel stone
#

I'm hoping we get to see more Spartan 2s in the future they are always cool to watch, Halo Wars 2 cutscene when you saw the 3 doing flips was I always imagined Spartans to be like.

#

Looking at Reach's scenes you never see them do cool stuff like that even though they appear to be wearing better armor.

versed helm
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What did the forerunners call the ancillas that were most powerful like Mendicant Bias and the Custodian

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Was it Acheron

versed helm
vestal grove
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He'd walk into the room wearing a Freudian-slip dress lmao.

versed helm
radiant dove
#

I just finished halo 2 and started halo 3 I thought we were on the forerunner ship how are we on land now?

versed helm
versed helm
radiant dove
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Oh lmao okay thanks

versed helm
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Took a piece of the the forerunner ship to help with his descent

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No worries

stable brook
#

Is the weapon johns ai daughter? Or the Halsey daughter I'm confused

fiery chasm
#

The weapon is a exact copy of Cortana

lament hornet
#

Weapon is an AI made from Halsey's brain scan, just like Cortana
So really, they're sisters

stable brook
#

Wait are they played by the same voice actor?

lament hornet
#

Yes, it's Jen Taylor

fiery chasm
#

Yes

stable brook
#

Oh...

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Damn so 343i want to get rid of her being evil by making her a clone.

lament hornet
#

I would recommend reading Shadows of Reach

left condor
#

Hey guys, as a PC-only player I was pumped when the MCC was released for Windows so I got to work on playing all 3 major Halo games. I never even considered Halo 4 because I remember it got a lot of hate back in the day when it was released. However, I just started playing the 4 campaign a few days ago and realized: holy smokes this game is really good, wtf were all these people smoking? Just me? Am I crazy?

fiery chasm
#

No I like it to

lament hornet
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It's my favourite of the campaigns in MCC, it's sublime honestly.
Best Chief and Cortana, writing is on point, voice acting. Bliss

stable brook
#

I wish they added romance to halo between sanghelllueieieieie and a spartan. Or an ai with a rouge Spartan. I want MasterChef to punch a child and then call Cortana telling her there having kids. iF ONLY.... Rip John 117 plus his kids

lament hornet
#

...

pulsar grail
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what

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i mean wasnt vale together with an elite

fiery chasm
#

In halo 5 a elea like commander palmer

stable brook
#

See this is what I mean I want to remember this but they don't make it obvious enough because Cortana was to thicc and caught me off guard. They need to do a little better

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Also i didn't know vale was with an elite

minor sky
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I'm not finished with Infinite, but I love Chief's reaction to the monitors

tired terrace
# left condor Hey guys, as a PC-only player I was pumped when the MCC was released for Windows...

Visually the game is the most realistic looking out of any halo game, and the story was really good and introduced massive things into the universe. But, huge but, it is when everybody became really unhappy with the changes in art style. Elites looked like brutes, shotgun from cod, etc. And gameplay wise it’s pretty doo doo. If you hide behind a wall, the ai will never ever find you and will never even try to either.

versed helm
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the shotgun in 4 and 5 looks like a spaceship lmao

tired terrace
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And the sounds in 4 are not good

minor sky
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Gotta give 343 major credit, the Promeathians in 5 were a major improvement

minor sky
pulsar grail
fiery chasm
versed helm
fiery chasm
#

Ya cindof

spring spindle
warm lotus
spring spindle
warm lotus
#

That’s pretty funny actually

spring spindle
warm lotus
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Lmfao

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Well I mean the forerunners did collapse like the British empire

versed helm
pulsar grail
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why do i remember chief backsmacking one

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with the back of his hand

acoustic aspen
desert hawk
versed helm
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No hate to you though

acoustic aspen
#

Hear me out though... the suit has sensors that allow for smell/touch etc... the suit also takes care of his personal needs... so technically Cortana used to be... intimately aware of the chiefs functions.

versed helm
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just why

warm lotus
spring spindle
warm lotus
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And I am banned again

spring spindle
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<cortana isn't real>

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like clapping a fleshlight lol

warm lotus
#

Rip @acoustic aspen my man got muted

spring spindle
warm lotus
#

F

spring spindle
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it's all fun and lore until we start talking spartan sexuality lmao

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on another note, thanks to whoever corrected me a few days ago about boren's syndrome being made up. i didn't realize that they had ret-conned First Strike so that it was just an ONI coverup for Johnson being so badass that he just didn't get infected lol

warm lotus
#

Interesting

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Oni is just as evil as the covenant

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Ngl

bronze schooner
#

Or enslaved people

spring spindle
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who knows, maybe they have destroyed planets lol

versed helm
bronze schooner
fiery chasm
bronze schooner
#

Also the Covenant started the war

spring spindle
warm lotus
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They prob nuked planets if the covenant took them over and didn’t glass them

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So yeah basically destroying planets

spring spindle
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well, semi-normal

warm lotus
#

The nuke was basically equivalent to a glassing beam

versed helm
spring spindle
bronze schooner
#

Ah

versed helm
spring spindle
#

Maria-062

opal gazelle
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@loud fjord Backwards messages?

nimble laurel
#

It's funny how salty people can get when their locke fanboys in your opinion take away the watered down crappy halo 5 fight. what spartan Comes out on top chief or locke

loud fjord
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like "welcome child" or "lineage confirmed"

opal gazelle
#

apparently Reach has those messages too

loud fjord
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i have no clue why they didn't just say it flat out, cause one could say the AI in the terminals was rampant or something.

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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and if humans were foreunners i think bungie would have told greg bear that when he was working on the triology.

#

some behind the scenes information on this would have helped, but its not like the writer's room is logged for us.

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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like halo 4 could have still worked if didact was human who just mutated himself into flood and wanted to just conquer humanity instead.

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i assume he would have talked to the older writers for info and i doubt the book wasn't being worked on for less than five months

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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yeah, and bungie was working on halo till 2010 with reach

twilit kite
#

How many times has a NOVA bomb been used in the war?

ember bane
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to many times

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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i suppose that's possible, but i think Greg bear would do his research before writing a trilogy of books on a species and that would include looking at story bibles etc.

opal gazelle
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Which likely included 343's plans for 4.

loud fjord
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true, true, but 4 could have worked just as fine with didact being human and just altered and in armor

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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not the game writers, i have no clue how it got so out of hand.

opal gazelle
loud fjord
#

like give Nylund a comeback to halo

nimble laurel
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Or even troy denning both writers are good in my opinion

left vortex
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I mean, Halo 4s writing was actually really good

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Especially the Chief Cortana interactions

loud fjord
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i usually dislike the transition from 4 to 5, they just ignored the interesting parts

left vortex
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It didnt feel like they really dropped the ball until 5

nimble laurel
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To me the only problem with the writing is the retconning of everything

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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Jul' Mdama got interesting in escalation...and then offed casually.

left vortex
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5 brought back the closed thread from 4, and then brought in q bunch of book lore without explanation

left vortex
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They shouldve leaned more into covie remnants in 5, because that was what a lot of the lore seemed to be building up to

opal gazelle
nimble laurel
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@opal gazelle I'm hoping they avoid that in the series

left vortex
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Instead they lean too much into the forerunner side of things with deus ex Cortana, instead of treating the didact as last of his kind

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The end of the overbearing forerunners, to contrast to the fanatics they spawn wherever they go

opal gazelle
loud fjord
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Covie civil war would have been more fun to play through, kig yar pirates, brute packs clashing with Sangheli and maybe prophet splinters trying to take out the didact to keep their political clout

left vortex
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If the banished was a broad term to cover the covie eqiivalent of the insurrection, that would be better

radiant dove
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How come every time the flood come in a ship they crash

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I thought they are intelligent

left vortex
nimble laurel
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Depends on how many flood the more there is the smarter they get @radiant dove

left vortex
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You know, the ones that explode?

radiant dove
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oh yes forgot about them

left vortex
#

Im sorry for talking like Johnson in this Halo server

nimble laurel
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@left vortex you really think this server could stop Johnsons profanity 🤣🤣

left vortex
#

Anyway, crashing a large [johnson word] ship causes general confusion, mass damage, and death

opal gazelle
loud fjord
left vortex
#

Like iirc Jul sent a massive force to the shield world, majority of his personal forces level

nimble laurel
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@opal gazelle and once their on the surface only two ways to go glassing and nuking the site from orbit only way to be sure 🤣🤣

opal gazelle
#

how many did Atriox leave on the Ark?

left vortex
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Like 4 or so commqnders right?

nimble laurel
#

Something like that

opal gazelle
left vortex
#

Wasnt there an explanation that they need something from zeta to jumpstart the damaged network?

nimble laurel
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@opal gazelle yeah but the banished was a very large organisation including pirates and mercenaries so it was quite easy for atriox to split his forces

left vortex
nimble laurel
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@left vortex true I agree with that myself

loud fjord
#

I do love how easy it is for a post schism faction to form in halo, it's like if you have a gun and an idea you can form an army

left vortex
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I early said I would want the covie version of the Insurrection, in that they have similar goals but at the end of the day they qre mostly fragmented

nimble laurel
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@loud fjord they weren't post schism it's explained in halo wars 2 the covenant had to enemies the banished and humanity and they didn't come close to the banished

loud fjord
left vortex
#

Like I said, the banished was formatted to big

pure escarp
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Are ||locke and palmer dead||? ||You can see hyperius aka spartan killer, using both their helmets on his armor (his helmet looks to be made up of palmers)||

left vortex
#

The insurrection worked because it was an idea that cropped up time after time without any large leadership

loud fjord
nimble laurel
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@loud fjord sorry my bad

loud fjord
#

No I should have specified more

opal gazelle
left vortex
#

||put in story jail because no one really likes them||

junior summit
stuck star
#

||Anyone know what happened to the Arbiter?||

opal gazelle
stuck star
#

||And anyone know what happened to the Swords of Sanghelios?||

bronze schooner
unique rune
#

kill characters because “no one likes them”
mmm yes lazy writing 101

spring spindle
#

tf are you people talking about, I love Locke.

#

Not a huge fan of Palmer though

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Locke singlehandedly changed my mind about S-IV's being crappy wannabes when he cracked chief's helmet in that fight

left vortex
#

worst fight in series
"made me respect the IVs"
What?

bronze schooner
nimble laurel
#

@bronze schooner exactly locke ain't on the same level as a spartan 2

spring spindle
bronze schooner
spring spindle
left vortex
bronze schooner
unique rune
#

I mean. Chief still won. People need to stop pretending Locke vs Chief should’ve been some comically one-sided smackdown.

spring spindle
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Much better impression of S-IVs than Palmer gave with her "thought you'd be taller" line

bronze schooner
unique rune
#

That line isn’t even that offensive, I still don’t get why people take so much issue with it.

spring spindle
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not saying they're equal to S-II's at all lol. MY point was just that Locke was a cool character that managed to make me hate S-IV's a little less

nimble laurel
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@spring spindle chief got nerfed just to make locke look like he was on the same level

unique rune
#

It’s just meant to be friendly ribbing that also emphasizes the reputation that Chief has.

spring spindle
versed helm
spring spindle
versed helm
bronze schooner
loud fjord
spring spindle
spring spindle
nimble laurel
#

Locke as a character needed more development but in my opinion they should have done a game like odst instead of splitting halo 5 between characters

versed helm
#

Go watch the fight between Locke and chief again. Then go watch the one between him and Atriox . Those punches alone would kill a man, let alone Locke

spring spindle
unique rune
#

This whole attitude of “Spartan-IVs stinky bad” that always comes with “Chief should’ve broken Locke’s spine and crushed him into meat paste with a single flick of his finger” is so tiring.

versed helm
#

Let’s not forget that a 14 year old John killed 3 ODST’s

bronze schooner
bronze schooner
unique rune
#

The S-IVs are physically inferior on account of not being augmented from brainwashed prepubescent children, but, like, that doesn’t automatically mean they’re complete and total pushovers.

spring spindle
loud fjord
#

I'd like to have Locke around just from some minor ribbing

unique rune
#

It’s ridiculous.

versed helm
spring spindle
loud fjord
#

None of them but buck felt developed

spring spindle
#

Yeah because people were crapping all over Osiris the minute they found out their job was to arrest Chief

bronze schooner
spring spindle
#

they never got a chance to be developed

nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord that I can agree on because of halo 3 odst people knew the character

unique rune
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They’re still physically enhanced supersoldiers wearing super advanced power armor, the gap between an S-IV and S-II isn’t going to be so dramatically different that Chief could’ve sat on Osiris and immediately killed them all.

spring spindle
loud fjord
#

I honestly have to mentally remind myself the differences between Tanaka and Vale

spring spindle
bronze schooner
bronze schooner
loud fjord
#

See I just read that and then forgot it.

nimble laurel
#

@bronze schooner they took locke from nightfall then all of a sudden he was a spartan headhunter

loud fjord
#

Like I can remember Sgt stacker more than them

versed helm
#

The Gen 2 Armor was significantly less advanced than the Gen 1. They brought the IV’s abilities to be somewhat on par with the gen 1. They didn’t have as advanced augmentations

versed helm
bronze schooner
spring spindle
versed helm
loud fjord
unique rune
#

Well. More that Buck’s voice actor was available and Thorne’s wasn’t.

spring spindle
versed helm
bronze schooner
loud fjord
spring spindle
loud fjord
versed helm
nimble laurel
#

@bronze schooner or they could have also used grey team

loud fjord
unique rune
#

Sending S-IIs after Chief would be an absolutely terrible idea. Spartan-IVs and normal UNSC rank and file would already have enough qualms going after the Chief, but sending the closest people he has to siblings after him?

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They’d question those orders and be even more likely to go “hold on, what?”

versed helm
nimble laurel
#

@unique rune yes but who would be best suited to get thru to chief

versed helm
#

They only have each other, and Look at Mendez and Halsey as parental figures

bronze schooner
loud fjord
#

I'd have sent s3s after chief

unique rune
#

Most S-IIIs were dead and the 300-odd surviving Gammas pose a safety risk without their smoothers, especially since they’d be operating outside of regular UNSC space. S-IVs were their best option.

versed helm
#

I thought only a handful or so survived, cause weren’t the III’s basically cannon fodder?

loud fjord
#

Gamma company wasn't sent on the mass death mission since onyx happened

unique rune
#

Only a small handful from Alpha and Beta Companies survived. Gamma was only active very late in the war so most of them were never sent on mass suicide missions.

versed helm
#

Ah I see… yeah Iknew Alpha and Beta,

loud fjord
#

I wonder if ONI has any secret spartan classes, Halsey wondered if they did.

versed helm
versed helm
loud fjord
versed helm
loud fjord
#

Yeah. 💩

nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord did black team not get killed fighting the diadact I'm sure it was in one of the comics

loud fjord
#

That was so dumb

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Like there aren't many S2s so stop wasting them as offscreen fodder

nimble laurel
#

Think of my head there what a few consisting of blue team, red team, grey team, naomi, is omega still alive. Not counting the wash outs like osman and thst

smoky crescent
#

what am I supposed to notice in the canon fodder elite's armor

loud fjord
unique rune
#

Same place that MCC H2A’s Orion armor comes from.

smoky crescent
nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord thanks couldn't remember

smoky crescent
#

Orion is significantly more iconic

loud fjord
#

I'm just glad we got SPI

nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord wish the devs would hurry up and give us a halo wars 3 lol

loud fjord
#

Not sure if that'll happen anytime soon

nimble laurel
#

You know what I find funny is how the cut scenes from the wars games were always that much cleaner than the main games

loud fjord
#

Halo wars also lost its main antagonist to the main series, Atriox got promoted

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That's like a green arrow villain headlining a superman movie

nimble laurel
#

True which is annoying because atriox was the perfect counterpart to cutter and red team

loud fjord
#

I'd hope halo wars 3 would have a banished leader, a created holdout, unsc/or maybe a pmc faction, and maybe a different covy splinter as options

nimble laurel
#

Mind you I've still got to read divine winds to find out how cutter and red team are doing at the ark but doing shadows of reach first plus you also have the keepers of the one freedom that could be another faction

snow forge
#

I have a question... So Chief was floating in space for ~6 months? Was he in stasis? Does the Mjolnir suit have some form of life preservation in situations like that?

I'm just struggling to "buy" that he was able to be brought back "online" after 6 months in the vacuum of space.

loud fjord
snow forge
cyan path
#

Speculation is that the new gen armor has a built in cryo system that’s been upgraded to avoid the burn/fusing of skin to armor

nimble laurel
#

Survival mode suit could have had some state of stasis mode if it was upgraded with forerunner tech

snow forge
#

both solid explanations. Thanks @cyan path and @nimble laurel

loud fjord
snow forge
loud fjord
#

"Must have triggered survival mode."

snow forge
cyan path
#

Do we know if the ODSTs were phased out since becoming a Spartan is more accessible to the general public?

loud fjord
#

All good fam

nimble laurel
#

@cyan path still odsts around

snow forge
loud fjord
#

Some became 4s

nimble laurel
#

Not all if them took the deal so to say because why phase out a bunch of mother fracker snake eaters lol

loud fjord
#

Plus across all UNSC there are plenty more odsts than spartans

snow forge
#

Buck would like a word lol

loud fjord
#

Buck was able to solo hunters before becoming an S4, dudes hardcore

nimble laurel
#

Plus without odsts who would you have hating on the spartans

gentle ore
snow forge
nimble laurel
#

Yeah but them worms are nasty lol

snow forge
#

Buck doesn't think so!

autumn shale
#

Is the gravemind forklift certified?

snow forge
autumn shale
#

It probably has infected one guy with a forklift certification

autumn shale
loud fjord
gentle ore
nimble laurel
#

That's because like all odst's buck has more than a few screws loose what sane person jumps into their own coffin and get shot from orbit to ground lol

loud fjord
#

He wasn't drifting at light speed

snow forge
#

ODST was the best of the OG halo titles in my honest (unpopular) opinion

gentle ore
cyan path
#

I’d always assumed the infinity jumped to location of zeta then was attacked by banished already there

nimble laurel
#

@snow forge you my friend are off your meds lol

loud fjord
snow forge
nimble laurel
#

@snow forge AMEN

cyan path
nimble laurel
#

@cyan path marrying said spook is worse lol

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@snow forge in all honesty though I loved odst it just felt more grounded as you weren't playing as a walking tank if you get what I mean

gentle ore
loud fjord
#

And they're all lost on a ring in space together with lots of weapons

autumn shale
#

So the chief is the only spartan who has a personal AI?

loud fjord
#

A lot of s4s have em according to multiplayer

gentle ore
autumn shale
#

I mean a smart AI

nimble laurel
#

@autumn shale maybe maybe not

loud fjord
#

None that I can't think of Jerome with isabel doesn't count

cyan path
nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord and cannot say about the other surviving teams either

loud fjord
#

Maybe Iona with black team counts, but that wasn't a one on one thing

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Those are the only smart AI pairings I can recall

gentle ore
#

Yeah Iona was intentionally paired with Black Team for their mission. Though she didn't have a specific Spartan she was assigned to among Black Team

loud fjord
#

I am not remembering that all of black team is dead.

cyan path
#

Do we know what happened to Roland. The infinity ship ai?

gilded mason
#

Nope.

nimble laurel
#

Think it was only three spartans that got a specific neural interface and that was John, Victor and naomi

snow forge
loud fjord
#

Jerome had one in hw2 with parts from the local ark.

snow forge
loud fjord
snow forge
#

again, my bad lol

#

but that govt agent is thicc ™️

nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord yeah I forgot Jerome housed both serina and isabel for a bit

gilded mason
#

Fred and Linda also housed Smart AI for specific missions.

minor sky
#

I just realized, the Skiff and that Forerunner Pistol never made it in

unique rune
#

The Skiff actually kinda appears in the form of wreckage scattered across the map. It’s almost a little weird to see them.

cyan path
snow forge
nimble laurel
#

@snow forge only one decent oni agent in my opinion was the lovely Veronica dare lol

loud fjord
#

Eh Locke seemed chill

#

They just tried to force his hype

nimble laurel
#

@loud fjord true he was chilled and a good leader as you said though forcing him ruined him and the headhunter armour in my opinion was a nice design

pastel light
#

you guys remember this gem

#

Halo Landfall

minor sky
#

I hope we see Locke again

#

I feel like there is more they could do with him, now that they have some decent writers (sorry Brian Reed)

cyan path
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H5 would have been better if it were split into two campaigns. Each from the perspective of one team

gilded mason
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Shields aren't impervious.

loud fjord
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Carter was stuck in a stationary position piloting the pelican as opposed to Emile and 6 who could dodged as well.

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plus he was injured in the cutscene already when auntie dot asked him to respond, before Six moved to the front of the pelican

summer shale
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The banshee fire shot through his seat, there's blood sprayed on the cockpit window

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Spartan 3s also have much lower quality armor and shields compared to 2s

gilded mason
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They have Mark V Mjolnir, just like the Spartan 2s got later.

loud fjord
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Carter was already wounded before the cutscene began, the banshee's firing through the back was just icing on the cake.

dense pulsar
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I think Infinite could have worked better if it was a game about being a Head hunter

summer shale
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How so?

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At this point most of them are dead

dense pulsar
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It doesn't necessarily need to be set at the current point in the story but the open world lends itself to hunting down specific targets. I got a taste of what being a head hunter would feel like with the targets though I'm not sure how they would stretch that for an entire campaign unless they did what MGS V did

summer shale
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Oh I see

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That would be interesting

dense pulsar
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There could be a mix between rebels you have to take out and Covenant

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Maybe even bring Noble 6 back to give him his "Making organizations disappear overnight" game

summer shale
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I didn't realize they continued the headhunter program with the spartan IVs so it's definitely possible to encounter some

rare plover
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I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but I assume the Mark V Armor is worse than the Mark VII Armor - Is there any good reason why a Spartan IV would want to wear an outdated Armor besides Nostalgia?
It feels kinda weird to wear an older Armor in this new Training Program (I mean Multiplayer)

spring spindle
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what seperates the marks in terms of their variants, I'm not sure. from what I've seen in game, the only part of the Mjlonir system that the 'Mark' applies to is the helmet and shoulder pauldrons

dense pulsar
spring spindle
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^that too

rare plover
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right, tysm for the quick responses :)

dense pulsar
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A real life example of this is US Navy ships, the Navy is still rocking ships from the 70s and 80s because it's more cost effective to make upgrades to their systems than decommission them and build an entire fleet of whatever the newest class of ships is

spring spindle
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or how all the branches are still using M2 .50 cals from the 70s and 80s

spring spindle
dense pulsar
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I just want playable Elites and Brutes

cyan path
spring spindle
rare plover
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What about the ODSTs, did they get phased out because of the IV's or do they still have a place in the UNSC?

dense pulsar
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Well, to my understanding, there's certain pre-requisites to becoming a Spartan in the form of genetic markers

spring spindle
cyan path
rare plover
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I'm not too familiar with the IV's

dense pulsar
dense pulsar
rare plover
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Depends on the augmentations the IV's get I assume, and how good the technology has become

cyan path
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The ability to become a Spartan was drastically increased for 4s and 5s allowing a larger candidate pool

dense pulsar
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Lore wise, it seems like the IVs have a worse performance rate than the IIs and IIIs

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Are we even on Vs yet?

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I think the next step is advancing cloning technology to make 1:1 clones of existing IIs

rare plover
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I assume IVs are worse because they dont start their training at like 6

cyan path
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The weapons only as good as the soldier behind it

dense pulsar
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IIIs were also trained as children but their missions were specifically suicide missions

cyan path
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3s we’re more orphans and kids picked off the streets and with LOTS of psychological damage

dense pulsar
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IIs seem like they had dangerous missions but were generally more geared towards important operations in an already existing battle

cyan path
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Less effective training and equivalent I’m assuming to those trained for DDay.

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3 weeks basic and handed a rifle

dense pulsar
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IIIs from what I can tell had missions consisting of "Go to a place the Covenant thinks is important and take it out" really high risk missions for seemingly high rewards

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I would say the Spartan IIIs were probably better trained than the IIs

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They just had cheaper gear and way deadlier missions

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The Spartan IIIs lost two whole companies in two separate missions

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I think the casualties would have been way higher with normal UNSC forces

cyan path
dense pulsar
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I'm not sure what the results would be if you gave a company of Spartan IVs the same mission

cyan path
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The gen1 IIIs were also trained in a less cohesive manner. Kurt made sure to change the way the 2nd gen was trained to work more as a team

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The 4s imho were more human than previous editions which made them more prone to human error. Big egos being one of them.

twilit depot
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Can we talk about spoilers

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In this chat

dense pulsar
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As evil as it is, it seems like starting them as kids works best for making Spartans

cyan path
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|| before and after text

twilit depot
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Oh ok

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I just found out there was litterially a spoiler chat 💀

rare plover
cyan path
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IIs we’re a scalpel while IIIs were a hammer

dense pulsar
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I still think it Noble 6 got off of Reach, him and Chief would be smoking massive amounts of Covenant pack on the first Halo ring even if you sent them on separate missions

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The big thing is, 6 more than likely outranks Master Chief. All of Noble team were officers

unique rune
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I mean, yeah, he was a lieutenant during the Fall of Reach.

final hound
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Keep in mind by "anyone" i mean anyone who can pass the physical requirements

summer shale
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Six does outrank chief

cyan path
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Fred also outranked chief in H5 but still deferred to MC when it came to leasing blue team

rare plover
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whats the difference in 4 and 5?

final hound
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Which is probably like 0.000001% of humanity anyway

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Kinda like how not everyone can be present day SAS or navy SEALs

unique rune
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We're still on Spartan-IV

final hound
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Spartan 2's prerequisites were far more strict (and pretty evil considering what they did)

dense pulsar
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Well, it seems like to even be considered for becoming a IV, you already had to be ODST/special forces

rare plover
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requirement to become spartan IV is to beat halo 2 laso

final hound
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It says s5

unique rune
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Still Spartan-IVs

final hound
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Oh

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Maybe i got the armor type confused

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Nvm

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The armor is mk 7

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Not the spartan gen

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I misinterpreted the armor generation for spartan generation for some reason

final hound
fiery chasm
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Haha once I searched s 5s

dense pulsar
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PoV: You're the prophet of regret and a human in green armor just walked into the same chamber as you

fiery chasm
rare plover
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Do IVs still get augmented?

unique rune
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Yes

final hound
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Yes but

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The augs are far less dangerous and intrusive

unique rune
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They aren't as intensive as the S-II or S-III augmentations but they're still enhanced compared to normal humans

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Though there's a lot of other stuff they receive that previous generations didn't

final hound
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In a way they are also less profound, but more modern, so the proficiency of the enhancements isnt too far behind the gen 2

fiery chasm
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I think it was about 6 weeks of surgery

unique rune
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Various organ implants and replacements to help them in the field etc.

final hound
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But most likely the Gen 4 spartans are going to have a lot more variability in performance vs Gen 2

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Since Gen 2 were all more or less the same caliber of super soldier gods

fiery chasm
final hound
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With a few being just that much better than the rest, or worse (master chief being an example of the former, and red team being the latter; washouts)

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Whereas Gen 4 prerequisites are slightly more flexible

fiery chasm
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Be13 was the one who nuked a planet right?

final hound
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Hmm im not sure tbh

unique rune
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Uhhh. Who?

fiery chasm
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And he killed billions of sangelly

unique rune
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Are you talking about Gray Team and Operation SUNSPEAR?

fiery chasm
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Probs

stable brook
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you guys think in the in halo game after ten years old cortana might emerge in the copy?

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cortana is an ai she has to be smart enough to download herself somewhere just incase she gets deleted

spring spindle
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he'd be like what, 60 in 10 in game years

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not too many 60 year old soldiers in active duty, even if they are specially augmented

stable brook
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I think the chief would retire after seeing cortana again and they both die where they both started. Cortana and mastercheif in a battle ship and they both sacrifiace themselves. and boom HALO:re do the healer

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good title imo

unique rune
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Just let Chief retire and join the Diplomatic Corps or something like he considered in Shadows of Reach. Self sacrifice or going out in some big blaze of glory would be such a boring way to go about it.

velvet frigate
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spartans dont retire, they got missing from work

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go*

spring spindle
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considering the insanely violent life he's lead, though, he might actually have to go down in a big blaze of glory for it to make any sense

stable brook
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The dude should retire and start a 401k.

spring spindle
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nah he needs to retire and become a movie star like The Rock or something

stable brook
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its about drive....

spring spindle
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NO

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god now i'm just imagining that whole song in Steve Downes voice

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(please someone make that)

stable brook
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picture this, all spartan listing to this while going to war. I can see 343i putting an easter egg with a grunt listening to it.

rare plover
# spring spindle he'd be like what, 60 in 10 in game years

I finished reading Fall of Reach yesterday and there it was mentioned IIRC that he's been fighting for 25 years I think - and that he was taken by ONI at the age of 6, making him 31 at the events of Reach to Halo 3 - Halo 3 to 4 he's been in cryo for IIRC 4 years so if one ages during cryo in this universe he'd be 35 during the events of 4

Unless I am wrong about that

How much time did pass between the end of 4 and infinite?

unique rune
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John was born in March of 2511. He'd chronologically be 49 in May 2560 when Infinite is set.

spring spindle
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^

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so 10 years plus that would make him 59

versed helm
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Dont worry, Johnson was 79 when he died. He aged well

unique rune
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He's probably biologically closer to his early 40s given how much time he's spent in cryo.

spring spindle
rare plover
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If they did I recon the Spartan 2 Augmentations also have something for longevity

spring spindle
unique rune
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Spartans aren't infertile

spring spindle
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i thought they were?

versed helm
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Theyre asexual

spring spindle
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ah

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yeah thats the mixup i had

unique rune
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The augmentations had a chance of suppressing any desire they'd have to... procreate.

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It's not that they can't have kids, they just might not have any inclination to do so.

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But it was also just a chance of suppressing it, not a guarantee.

gilded mason
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^

digital parrot
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Would he pass on his badass genes is what I’m wondering

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Lmao

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Prolly man

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He gets his power from built up testosterone

spring spindle
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yep^

rare plover
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honestly i dont see the chief retiring

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i dont see him die in battle like noble 6 either

spring spindle
rare plover
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I kind of see him continue to fight until his body literally can't do it anymore

digital parrot
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That’s true. I wonder what kind of chemicals they were pumped with

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Some hardcore hormones to grow like a minimum two feet higher lol

spring spindle
rare plover
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Augmentations give 343 creative liberty to work with

vestal grove
final hound
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Chief has spent a lot of time in cryo and in space for the duration of his service

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And both limit the effects of aging that would normally happen on Earth

spring spindle
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sure... do we have an exact number of how much time Chief has spent in cryo over the course of his life?

final hound
final hound
spring spindle
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i mean we can for sure subtract the 4 or 5 years he was stuck on FUD, but besides that I'm not sure we can start taking off decades

final hound
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And we also dont know if the augs would have an affect on physical performance

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Its possible a spartan 2 would have a longer prime

rare plover
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Average life expectancy coudl've increased in general also

final hound
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And if they wished, could write it into the story

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Yes

digital parrot
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Yeah imagine the healthcare in five hundred years

final hound
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Oh yeah, also that

swift shale
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chief is about 50 years old, minus 5 for how long he was in cryo after halo 3, so 45. AND he was genetically altered by the Librarian to be more evolved as a Human, so itd be safe to say his life span has also increased because of it.

digital parrot
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Life expectancy prolly 90+ now

final hound
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Im not sure if its canon but i once heard that human life expectancy is 110 to 120

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In 2552

digital parrot
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And he was augmented so there’s that

tired terrace
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He gone become doom guy and be humanity’s savior whenever they need him

spring spindle
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sure you can live that long, but how long can you fight

final hound
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Not from anything official, i heard it from a guy talkint abt lore

final hound