lore-and-universe

[warm swallow]

yes

[glad badger]

So when gamma company was doing a role call or whatever

some spartan 2s came around and kelly went up to a spartan 3 giving him a small punch (in a friendly way u get what i mean) to his upper chestplate.

It dented

they werent even given reall assault rifles

they were given the MA5K Carbine.

it looks like a space famas

ik the armor and rifle are supposed to be more lightweight to cut down on cost and give them more stealth capability

but like

would u rather have

2 spartan 3s with barely any combat experience helping you

Or Jorge. @warm swallow

[sage crypt]

I’d take Jorge any day of the week xD. Also is this in one of the novels?

[burnt pulsar]

The UNSC were on Zeta halo with the Swords to contain flood outbreaks

[sage crypt]

In the trailer master chief was floating through space.. how did he get there again? Or is that just for the trailers

[cosmic zinc]

its explained in the intro of the game

[glad badger]

I don’t remember where I found the Kelly thing If ur asking about that

[warm thistle]

Sounds like ghosts of Onyx

[unique rune]

They did. S-III augmentations were cheaper, safer, and just as effective as S-II augmentations.

[warm thistle]

I wouldn't say safer considering they did illegal neurological enhancements

But I guess spartan program and legal don't really go hand in hand

[unique rune]

I mean, the augmentation procedures didn't kill or mutilate half of the candidates. In my book that counts as safer.

And their being issued MA5K carbines wasn't a cost thing, it was because it would've been more suited to whatever missions they needed to carry out. Not that they were always going to be using MA5Ks.

[untold wasp]

didn't most of the odst and marines became spartan IV after the covenant war?

[unique rune]

No

Spartan-IV pulls candidates from all branches of the UNSC but it's nowhere near "most" of any of them.

[untold wasp]

oh ok

[humble yacht]

I don’t think a price point was ever put on the augs themselves

Just the armor

[unique rune]

Huh, I could've sworn I remembered seeing that they were cheaper... somewhere. But I could be misremembering.

So when gamma company was doing a role call or whatever
some spartan 2s came around and kelly went up to a spartan 3 giving him a small punch (in a friendly way u get what i mean) to his upper chestplate.
That's... straight up not even what happened. The S-III ended up with a dent in their chestplate because they attacked Kelly and got flung into a tree, not because of some "friendly tap".

SPI isn't a "bad" set of armor, it's just functionally different from MJOLNIR.

[untold wasp]

weren't both expensive anyway?

[humble yacht]

The cost of a spartan was always focused around the armor

Because a suit of MJOLNIR cost the same as a starship

[untold wasp]

dang

that is a lot

imagine the cost of all the armor in the multiplayer

$1100 feels to little, that is probably just one part of a knee pad

[humble yacht]

Y’all are talking about different things

[untold wasp]

since chimera said it is about the cost of a starship

wait

[humble yacht]

Trolle is referring to the monetization, not the lore

[untold wasp]

ohhhhh

ok

[sage crypt]

Yeah it’s probably closer to 500,000 per Spartan, but I have no knowledge of armor

[humble yacht]

A starship costs millions to make

Same for one MJOLNIR

[candid obsidian]

That’s badass 😂

[sage crypt]

Didn’t think it was that much

[humble yacht]

Now you understand why Spartans 3s needed to be “cheaper”

[sage crypt]

Right. Side note how much debt is the UNSC in?

[untold wasp]

i mean how much spartans from II-IV are there

[sage crypt]

I don’t know what they use, and what it’s worth so I just said something that makes sense to me, a filthy American.

[versed helm]

They use 'credits' (cr)

Idk how much they are compared to a dollar tho

[cosmic zinc]

they use Credits. yall ever play reach?

[untold wasp]

it is in infinite too

[cosmic zinc]

moa burgers in lore are like 9-13 credits so pretty close to a dollar

[versed helm]

... but a grenade costs 30 credits
How cheap are grenades lmao

[cosmic zinc]

"the average cost of a single M67 grenade is around 45 US dollars."

according to google

[sage crypt]

It’s been so long since I played reach I don’t remember anything but the campaign

[warm thistle]

So a Cr is pretty much a US dollar

[cosmic zinc]

pretty close yeah

[glad badger]

But their armor

[cosmic zinc]

atleast close enough that any difference is negligible

[sage crypt]

It’s got my favorite campaign, considering it shows how bad a covenant invasion would truly be

[versed helm]

oh wow so me throwing a Spartan laser down is me throwing away 218,000 dollars
noice

[sage crypt]

Adios

[unique rune]

What about SPI? It still does its job.

It's literally in its name that it's for infiltration, not assault like MJOLNIR is.

[warm thistle]

I mean, the UNSC has billions of tax payers so it's probably not that much

Also you gotta remeber the S-II were hand picked because of their peak generic stature, they were essentially super human before the program, S-III were just a bunch of angry kids

[sage crypt]

Right, it’s how you get a s-III like Emile

[unique rune]

they were essentially super human before the program
They really weren't.
They had some physical and genetic advantages but for the most part the screening was done to make sure the augmentations would kill less of them.

[untold wasp]

if they were super human beforehand, how strong will they be with the augmentations and the suit

[unique rune]

S-III still had some genetic screening involved but it wasn't as strict because the augmentations were generally safer and more broadly applicable.

[versed helm]

The Spartans in Infinite are 4's ye?

[unique rune]

Yeah

[versed helm]

Disgusting

[warm thistle]

They were though, that's why Halsey picked them, because she saw how awesome they were, like look at John at 6 years old was able to calculate subconsciously which way the coin would land when Halsey flipped it, also why there were so few S-II candidates cause only 150 kids in all the colonies met up to halseys standards and even then only 75 passed

[unique rune]

Good intuition isn't a "superhuman" trait

It's not like they picked 150 candidates because they could only find 150, Halsey originally planned for 300. And if budgeting permitted I'm sure she would've wanted thousands, if not more.

Only 75 were picked because budgets kept getting cut down.

The S-II candidates were generally superior to other six-year-olds physically and mentally, but superhuman is a stretch.

[untold wasp]

will there ever be a spartan V program

[unique rune]

Probably not, unless there's some other major advancement that comes along. Even then anything like that would probably just get folded under S-IV.

[untold wasp]

breaking news: new spartan V's can now control space time

[versed helm]

Spartan V's, genetically augmented Sangheili in Wortlnir

[warm thistle]

Agree to disagree, but even at 300 out of billions is a crazy small percentage of humanity and they weren't just random kids out of a hat, they were physically and mentally superior to everyone else around them

[untold wasp]

have any elites worn spartan armor before?

[versed helm]

Sangheili armor is already strength enhancing and all that
But no because Mjolnir has never been made for them.

[untold wasp]

this question makes me want to see a grunt with spartan armor

[unique rune]

None that we know of. It'd be pretty hard for a Sangheili to fit in Mjolnir armor considering they're anatomically pretty different from humans.

[versed helm]

"Super human" is still not the way to describe them

[untold wasp]

no like, same stuff just different model so they can fit them

[warm thistle]

Yeah they can't even wear it physically, but there were probably joint human-elite combat harnesses made at Anvil, just as there were Mjolnir sets made from both human and elite input

[unique rune]

The Accord harness was designed by humans as part of the Anvil Initiative but there hasn't been anything like Mjolnir developed for Sangheili otherwise.

[sage crypt]

I’d also love to see that

[warm thistle]

"Super" definition- above; over; beyond, to agreat or extreme degree. Spartans were above and beyond regular humans, hence "super human"

[untold wasp]

the closest thing i can think of that is close is the grunt mech

well i gtg bye everyone

[warm thistle]

Bye

[versed helm]

Again they're not super human, at all, they're very athletically capable younglings with desirable genetics
Super would not be the way to describe them at all.
Gifted and superior would be.

You wouldn't describe someone as super human for having 40 40 vision.

(not to mention they couldn't chose from billions like you said, they only really chose quiet outer colonies)

[unique rune]

They actually picked from all over human space. Jorge was picked from Reach. I think one of the candidates was even born on Earth? But I might be getting it mixed up with something else.

[warm thistle]

I don't think 40/40 vision is a thing and 20/40 would be below average, however as I've said the spartans were not just simply above average they were lightyears above average, they could think at adult levels at the age of 6, they were physically superior to everyone around them. If I met a 6 year old who could do college level math and get everything correct, then yes I would call that kid super human

[strong tinsel]

Those are exceptions not the norm

Most were picked from the outer colonies so oni could cover it up easily

[warm thistle]

So anyway if we can agree to disagree on what term to call the spartan candadites (superior or super human or whatever) we can at least agree they were a special bunch of youngsters?

[humble yacht]

They had unique genetic profiles that made them more compatible with the proposed augmentations than a normal human

[twilit linden]

cough DNA comparisons to ancient humans who are linked to the greatest warriors of the human race

[humble yacht]

What

[warm thistle]

IF YOU COUGH ONE MORE TIME WITHOUT A MASK I'LL PUT YOU DOWN/s

[twilit linden]

Cough, cough, hack up a 🫁. Jk lol

[twilit linden]

Hunt the Truth?

Good series

[warm thistle]

I still am unclear on what Hunt the Truth was

[twilit linden]

Just an audio file series just before the release of Halo 5. As to why the Chief is being hunted by Locke and ONI. From another persons point of view

[warm thistle]

Is it just an audio series?

I'm interested in it but not sure how to actually experience it now that it's over, lol

[twilit linden]

Yeah

Download SoundCloud and search Hunt the Truth

[versed helm]

Is it me or is the whole plotline of the Banished wanting to fire the rings just kind of lazy?

Like we already went through that plotline in the first three games, and it doesn't make sense anymore now that the prophets are gone.

[sage crypt]

Why do they want to fire the ring? Don’t they know what it does? Or is this just another religion thing

[warm thistle]

Yeah why the banished would want to do it is just wack

[versed helm]

I heard it might be used as an WMD, as opposed to it being religous.

Which makes more sense.

[warm thistle]

Maybe they just want to control the gun pointed at the head of the universe

[versed helm]

Since the Covenant is basically dead.

It makes more sense now since control of Zeta gives them control of the galaxy in a sense.

It was confusing at first since the Banished aren't religious.

[sage crypt]

WMD?

[versed helm]

Weapon against Earth.

Since the ring can be used as a concentrated weapon from what I have heard, like a Death Star.

[tacit charm]

weapon of mass destruction

[sage crypt]

Oh alright

Thought the rings just blow up and wipe out everything

[warm thistle]

I thought that the ring just shot our a pulse in all 3 dimensions that kills everything in its effective radius, the original 12 were more like Death Star lasers iirc

Oh, crap wait Zeta was one of the original 12, that actually makes a lot of sense!!!!

[humble yacht]

Zeta was retrofitted to be like the new rings

It fires a pulse instead of a beam/cone

[twilit linden]

The Banished just wants to control everything and everyone that stands against them so they will use the rings as “hostage” and use it as a threat to everyone. Sounds like a tyrant move lol

What really set me off about Hunt the Truth is that Sullivan from Forward Unto Dawn is a scumbag ONI personnel

[warm thistle]

Sullivan?

[dawn isle]

I feel like Spartan IVs shouldn’t be hated on (except for the locke fight)

[warm thistle]

I think a lot of people don't like them cause they make spartans less epic and rare, like if everyone's special than no one is

[twilit linden]

Yeah Sully. Michael Sullivan from Forward Unto Dawn with Commander Lasky

[warm thistle]

Oh right, I've gotta rewatch that, it's been awhile

[humble yacht]

Spartan IVs are not that numerous

[warm thistle]

Compared to both 2s and 3s there's definitely more of them

[humble yacht]

Sure but it’s still less than 1 percent of all humanity

Way less

[warm thistle]

And the games give off the impression there's a lot more of them like in 4 you fight alongside no-name spartans and they go down like flies

[humble yacht]

That’s gameplay balance

[twilit linden]

Pretty much

[humble yacht]

Marines go down like flies too

And modern marines are supposed to be the best soldiers in the world

[twilit linden]

And I’ll stick to being an SII

[warm thistle]

The majority of people play the games so they see that, they believe that's what spartans 4s are like, which is a big part of why people don't like that Locke was able to go toe to toe with chief

[humble yacht]

In halo 5, blue team AI can’t kill Jack squat on their own. It’s not a reflection of effectiveness of the units in lore

Also if you watch the fight closely you see that Chief came out with a definitive win after he got serious

[naive horizon]

Nobody is stronger than chipps dubbo

[warm thistle]

That's probably partly why blue team wasn't recieved very well by the casual fan

[naive horizon]

Blue team's skills weren't well represented

[warm thistle]

Indeed

[naive horizon]

linda for example is meant to be aimbot levels of sniper

[humble yacht]

And yet, the casual fan mostly ever complains about Osiris in H5

Despite the fact that both teams have pretty much the same issues mechanically and narratively

[warm thistle]

Indeed

[naive horizon]

buck is cool tho

buck is always cool

i wonder if we'll see alpha-9 again considering he got the team back together

[last anchor]

Gameplay balance and ease of coding on the programers presumably.

If Blue was anywhere near canon competent, the player wouldnt have anything to do lmao

[naive horizon]

I know but i mean in cutscenes

[twilit linden]

Haha. And this is why the books make more sense. More enjoyable

[keen snow]

Mostly cause complaining about blue team means insulting the master cheif and his friends.. and most people don't enjoy having both lungs inside their body instead of torn out... so not a lot of people do that

[warm thistle]

Lol good point^

[humble yacht]

You joke but it shows a clear unfounded bias in the community

[warm thistle]

You think the halo community isn't biased?

[humble yacht]

It Categorically is

[naive horizon]

awwwwww

i keep forgetting

cursing is bad

[warm thistle]

We've got a mendicant bias, offensive bias we've got tons of bias

[naive horizon]

by the way do you think the harbinger is the prisoner that escaped the precursor/forerunner cell in that one reach map?

[strong tinsel]

Prob no

[naive horizon]

could coincide with the other stuff that fits with the reach maps

like the portal

[keen snow]

Though when someone reads fall of reach, they don't think 'man, I wish I could play with fireteam osiris' they think 'holy **** I wish I could play with blue team backing their leader up'

[warm thistle]

Then we get them and they're meh

[humble yacht]

Most halo players haven’t read fall of reach

[versed helm]

I wish I could read all of them but I don't have the time.

There's like 20 books at this point.

I have read the Flood and Contact Harvest.

[humble yacht]

Basically, the community doesn’t have a good reason to not like spartan ivs. There’s nothing objectively wrong with them

[naive horizon]

i have an original copy of fall of reach in a corner in my room

my dad bought it before getting halo CE back in 2001

[humble yacht]

What do you call it when you hold up that novel to a light source

Shadow of reach

[twilit linden]

And this is why I love being a Halo veteran.

[naive horizon]

by the way spartan 3s are confirmed as being on the infinity (shadow of reach)

[zenith epoch]

I still find it weird that the Forunnners couldn't figure out a more effective way to contain the Flood on the Halo Rings. Or even restrict the technology to only humanity

[naive horizon]

i hope we see jun

[warm thistle]

That's what I was trying to reason earlier, the way spartan IV are handled in game are exactly the same way marines have been handled previously, to a lot of Halo fans spartan IV are just over confident marines who think they deserve the title of super soldier

[humble yacht]

They’re heavily projecting then, lol

[zenith epoch]

Jun is the only member of Noble team to nope out of Death lol

[humble yacht]

Jun is a non combatant

[naive horizon]

so far the reasons for it being less than good is because of incompetent monitors

or just generally insane monitors

big oversight

[zenith epoch]

Still pretty capable since he's a Spartan III

[warm thistle]

I don't know if you're subtly trying to insult me but I'll take it at face value, and return a lol: lol

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[warm thistle]

I did didn't I?

[zenith epoch]

Oof. I thought I turned it off

[humble yacht]

He’s retired, his capability isn’t really relevant

[humble yacht]

Nope

[versed helm]

Spartan IVs are hated on too much.

[zenith epoch]

mb

[warm thistle]

They are, but I can get why

[naive horizon]

jun dusting off his old armor would be so cool

[versed helm]

Obviously they won't be as good as Spartan II but they are still relatively important.

I mean there's only a few thousand.

[humble yacht]

Community should be better and stop hating on things for no reason

[humble yacht]

Not even

Iirc the highest number of spartan IVs ever was something like 1200

Maybe less

[tight inlet]

Guys im sorry if I'm off topic but how did jun escape from reach? Some say he escaped with dr hasely on a pelican

[humble yacht]

Unknown

[zenith epoch]

The monitors went insane because they a level of sentience to have them operate more effectively. but that ofc is a downside. look guilty spark or pendant tangent

[humble yacht]

He did not escape with Halsey

[versed helm]

r/halo is just awful, nothing pleases those guys.

[tight inlet]

So nobody has an idea on how jun escaped? I saw on halopedia he becomes a recruiter for the spartan IV program i think

[humble yacht]

Nope

[warm thistle]

There are valid reasons out there, you just fail to listen to them lol. I personally like spartan IVs but the way there been handled so far on game is meh

[humble yacht]

Yes he became a recruiter later

No, nobody knows how he escaped

[humble yacht]

What valid reasons that don’t also apply to non spartan IVs?

[tight inlet]

I got another question, what is the strongest spartan armor? Cause i feel like it aint chief's armor, not saying its weak but it does offer great protection

[humble yacht]

Gen3 MJOLNIR

[zenith epoch]

Ppl don't like Spartan IVs just because they don't like 343. I never mind them. I actually like them, especially since Halo 4 was my first Halo game

[naive horizon]

guilty spark became incredibly lonely and penitent just seems generally dumb

[humble yacht]

Penitent wasn’t dumb, just lazy

[naive horizon]

yeah or that

[tight inlet]

Isnt the armor in infinite the gen3 mjlonir?

[zenith epoch]

Penitent was lazy and was also corrupted by the logic plague to some extent

[humble yacht]

Yes

[zenith epoch]

which made him fail his duties as the monitor of Installation 05

[humble yacht]

I don’t think he was logic plagued

But If he was, that was way after the outbreak

His own inherent laziness is what led the outbreak to occur

[limber dagger]

I have a guy trying to argue with me right now saying that NOBLE Team didn't wear MJOLNIR and I dont even know what to say lol.

[humble yacht]

Don’t say anything

Just revel in being right

[naive horizon]

what the

[limber dagger]

lol probably not going to. i get it, not everyone is a halo nerd, but this guy is claiming to know all of the lore and telling me im wrong and should read the books.

like what lol

[naive horizon]

oh he thinks mjolnir is chief's mk6 or something

[zenith epoch]

Like his lazy incompetence led to a Gravemind. which definitely got to him and he realized his mistake horribly and begged Chief to activate the ring

[limber dagger]

idk what hes getting at. he tried telling someone that Kat didnt use mjolnir and i just said "yes she did." and now hes going on tirades about how I'm wrong. I don't understand it lol. whatever idk i just thought it was funny.

anyways my bad didnt meant to interrupt

[zenith epoch]

ppl are dumb

what do you expect

[limber dagger]

thats just such a stupid thing to say lol. not you, him

[zenith epoch]

Ik lol

Most Spartan armor was or is based off the Mjolnir platform

it is the most successful armor type

[humble yacht]

I mean, there haven’t been many other alternatives

Just Hayabusa

[limber dagger]

What is the lore behind hayabusa? was it not technically MJOLNIR?

eh nvm ill just go look it up lol

[humble yacht]

Pretty sure it was made independently from MJOLNIR at first

Then they competed with MJOLNIR

[limber dagger]

"Project HAYABUSA was a UNSC powered armor program developed independently from, and as a rival to Project MJOLNIR. The program later produced a MJOLNIR variant for the Mark VI generation.[2]"

[humble yacht]

Then eventually hayabusa was incorporated into the MJOLNIR platform

[limber dagger]

so it is but it isnt lol

yes exactly

Given the mass production of GEN 2 suits now, I wonder if Spartan III's are going to ditch SPI entirely now.

[humble yacht]

Probably

[zenith epoch]

Hayabusa is like the one armor set that looks like it's from a separate universe but it's actually canon and good

[limber dagger]

i mean there arent that many left, but way fewer than spartan IV's , might as well

[limber dagger]

idk i cannot lie i am not a fan of the tenrai event armors. its a cool concept lore wise but it just is not it to me. just feels very out of place.

[humble yacht]

Iirc some of the surviving gammas were decommissioned from active duty

Given desk jobs

[zenith epoch]

it's in its own universe

[limber dagger]

I know...its an alternate universe where basically the same events happened but with different people and factions.

Which i think is a cool concept lore wise, but we arent playing in that universe, we are playing in ours ya know. idk its just personal opinion, not saying its bad. i just dont like the way it looks.

[versed helm]

wouldn't it make sense for helmets to have different huds?

[limber dagger]

yeah probably lol

[versed helm]

if they were made by different companies

[limber dagger]

made in different universes***

literally lol

this is just nit-picky lore nerd stuff tho.

[limber dagger]

and yes you are correct.

[primal stump]

Hey there! So I have a question, this is my first time playing Halo, ever. In Reach, near the end, do we find Cortana or did I misunderstood that part?

If so, does that mean she was basically made by an ancient civ?

[limber dagger]

lol no no

[humble yacht]

At the end of Reach, Halsey gives Noble 6 a fragment of Cortana she kept for studying forerunner stuff

[limber dagger]

Yes^^^

[humble yacht]

Noble 6 delivered it to Keyes who took it to the Autumn to reunite with the rest of Cortana

[naive horizon]

oo i didn't actually know that

i thought it was the whole cortana

she didn't really mention that kind of detail in reach

[limber dagger]

Yes, AI's can split off portions of themselves in order to fully dedicate themselves to more than 1 particular subject at one. They are both cortana, essentially. Once the two fragments come back together, the merge into the same AI once again. very weird to think about, but that is just how it works with these things.

[naive horizon]

wasn't that a main thing with cortana in 4-5?

[limber dagger]

A fragment won't have the full capability of the "whole" AI, but it is still extremely powerful. Fragments are broken off so a topic can be truly concentrated on, essentially.

[naive horizon]

like the cortana in 5 is just a fragment

[limber dagger]

lol we dont know yet

hoping for at least some of those answers in Infinite.

very possibly yes, but also maybe not. we just dont know either way.

[naive horizon]

i heard that this is what happened after 4 and one of the fragments got connected to the domain

[limber dagger]

Yes, that is what happened, but also, the domain made this fragment much more powerful than she ever was as a "whole" AI, so does it really count as a fragment, or is she whole again?

[naive horizon]

so i just read it and there was a short story detailing this

[limber dagger]

more philosophical than scientific at that point.

[naive horizon]

Well maybe her personality is fragmented

therefore she isn't really the cortana we know?

bringing her back at all was kind of terrible writing wise considering 4's ending

akin to bringing 6 back

[limber dagger]

Yes it was, but i see why they did it. they needed a new enemy to fight, and what better enemy than your closest friend? still executed very poorly though.

[naive horizon]

well they had a villain

the didact

he survived that

[limber dagger]

that info did not come out until much later after Halo 5's story was already set in stone

[naive horizon]

they literally had to write a whole comic to explain why he's not around in the sequel

it's really goofy

[limber dagger]

the game wasnt released yet, i dont think, but yeah that comic was made after H5's story was set.

[naive horizon]

and they certainly made concept art of a damaged didact wearing a cloak and stuff

it looked cool

[primal stump]

I am sorry If this was cleared out too, just started CE today, where was Master Chief and the other Spartans while Reach was falling?

[naive horizon]

on reach

and the pillar of autumn

[limber dagger]

The diadact would have been a great enemy for a 2nd time, but they went with the cortana story instead and just screwed it all up. it is a bit of a mess

[primal stump]

Ohh gotcha

[naive horizon]

cortana even directly quotes the didact

which to me smells like rewrites

literally everything she does in 5, replace it with the didact and its not out of character

[primal stump]

One more thing, I saw a enemy types, I think “Brutes” in Reach. Are they the same species as the gorilla guy in Infinite?

The main baddie

[naive horizon]

yes

[limber dagger]

I mean, all of a sudden the created arent the main enemy at all anymore either. We somehow beat a mass coalition of god-tier AI super constructs with no physical form that can manipulate reality now.

[naive horizon]

They are brutes

also called the jiralhanae

[primal stump]

Okay that clears up alot lmao, thanks y’all

[humble yacht]

Actually only Cortana can do that

Well black box can sorta do it too but not as well

[limber dagger]

Proabably, im just using hyperbole to make a point. I dont know how its even semi plausible we could defeat or at least weaken the Created to a point where they arent the main threat anymore in that short of a timespan.

[naive horizon]

shadows of reach shows that she's an active threat and any sort of nuclear power or even the mere mention of her name are forbidden

cause that might make her appear

eyes and ears everywhere

guess we'll find out what the banished/unsc did to deactivate her or whatever they did

the weapon still existing implies that she hasn't been terminated yet

[limber dagger]

If she really is still a threat, how in the heck are the Banished allowed to exist at all? The Banished are the exact type of thing that Cortana wants to stop in the Universe. A warring tribe with no other real motivations other than conquest.

[naive horizon]

the banished are used to fighting bigger foes than themselves

they've been doing the guerrilla tactic thing since the beginning

[humble yacht]

A ship

[naive horizon]

big ol carrier

[humble yacht]

They didn’t get there instantly, lol

[naive horizon]

high charity could do it

oh right nvm

mars

[limber dagger]

They used a portal.

[naive horizon]

convoluted writing with that hehe

there was a portal on mars

[zenith epoch]

it's cool. I understand it's not everyone's fortė, but I love the lore even though it's a separate universe

[limber dagger]

Honestly i gotta look it up, because i did not play Halo Wars 2.

I dont know which portal it was, but it was a portal

[gaunt tiger]

why are the brutes and elites uniting into the banished, brutes literally killed millions of elites

[naive horizon]

There's definitely a portal on reach that they found and they used it to bring atriox back from the ark

maybe they used that to go there in the first place?

[humble yacht]

Nope

[limber dagger]

i dont think there is any current ship tech (human, covenant etc) that would be able to make a jump that long.

[humble yacht]

Yes that jump is possible, it just takes awhile

[zenith epoch]

Mercenaries

[humble yacht]

All you really need is the location of the ark

[gaunt tiger]

k

[limber dagger]

Atriox himself did not hold any animosity towards the Elites. He is a one minded type of character. Conquest at any cost and with whoever is useful to his cause. Doesnt care who it is.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah but the brutes massacred them and betryed them with the prophets the only reason elites joined humans was that event

[zenith epoch]

Elites are in the banished because a lot of them are mercenaries. some were with the banished because they also were disregarded by the covenant

[gaunt tiger]

k

[limber dagger]

Atriox and his clan were not really a part of the great schism. there is still animosity between the two species as a whole, but the individuals that make up the banished just seem to be able to look past it. Same way the elites can fight with humans.

[zenith epoch]

Reminder, Early Banished was based off brotherhood

[versed helm]

@velvet rose Arbiter was one of the greatest threats to the UNSC

[zenith epoch]

Yeah Ik

[gaunt tiger]

what happened with the prophet specie after halo 3?

[zenith epoch]

Forgotten about to my knowledge

[limber dagger]

theoretically, i suppose. but not realistic with current, non-forerunner tech. it would take a hundred years probably.

[limber dagger]

my bad responded to the wrong guy lol. meant to reply to @gaunt tiger

maybe the infinity could do it in a reasonable timeframe with its forerunner engines and slipspace tech, but i dont think anything else could really pull it off in a realistic way.

[gaunt tiger]

i didnt ask anything about jumping XD im confused

[gilded mason]

Many ran away on a flotilla to keep from every other species trying to murder them. Rtas was planning on going after them to find out who among them was involved with enacting recent atrocities. We don't know what came of it, though.

[limber dagger]

lo no no no...i meant to say this to you"Atriox and his clan were not really a part of the great schism. there is still animosity between the two species as a whole, but the individuals that make up the banished just seem to be able to look past it. Same way the elites can fight with humans." but i accidentally replied to the wrong person.

the slipspace stuff i was talking to Chimera

[gaunt tiger]

what happened with rtas vaduum or the shipmaster?? did he join arby

[zenith epoch]

Hunted by oni

[gaunt tiger]

k

[gilded mason]

He's still around. The latest we heard from him was that he's been involved with fighting pirates alongside the UNSC and had upgraded the Shadow of Intent.

And he is part of the SoS, yes

[zenith epoch]

ONI has declared him a priority target so they're after him after he shot down two fighters that were chasing him

[gilded mason]

They were moreso just spying on him

[gaunt tiger]

uncool

I hope we will see him in one of the future games

[zenith epoch]

Well, Rtas knew Oni was up to something

[limber dagger]

i dont think we will see them in the games any time soon, if at all. i think what happened to them will be in some book.

[zenith epoch]

ONI's goals post war was to weaken the Elites by any means necessary

[naive horizon]

imagine he appears in infinite out of nowhere with the shadow of intent

[gaunt tiger]

imagine

[limber dagger]

lol that would be such a good moment and comeback. who knows what we are gonna see. really im just interested in the creature or construct that threw chief thru the tree in the infinite trailer. i saw a spoiler of what he/she/they are called which i obviously wont share here.

but it seems very interesting

[gaunt tiger]

yeah same im hyped

maybe we see this precursor or smt

[naive horizon]

I feel like that prisoner that escaped containment in that reach map is a likely candidate

[zenith epoch]

wdym

[naive horizon]

the description was something like "even the precursors and forerunners had difficulties keeping them locked down"

[gaunt tiger]

like the precursor that is stuck on zeta halo

[naive horizon]

there is no such thing

[limber dagger]

dont give any spoilers in here

youll get instabanned lol

[naive horizon]

how is that a spoiler

[zenith epoch]

That ain't a precursor

[naive horizon]

that's literally halo reach

[gaunt tiger]

I thought you asked me

[limber dagger]

i didnt say it was, i just meant be careful lol

[zenith epoch]

sorry I meant wdym for @naive horizon

[gaunt tiger]

i noticed

[naive horizon]

but yeah judging by that map and how another reach map also has the portal that atriox used to return from the ark

i think this might just be likely

[limber dagger]

which map is it again?

i remember what youre talking about but i cant quite remember the name

[gaunt tiger]

idk

[limber dagger]

but at the same time, the "prisoner" could have been the Sharqoi as well. Seems equally likely as it being the new person/ creature we saw in the trailer.

[gaunt tiger]

or gravemind ?

who is sharqoi

[limber dagger]

a species that was cut from the games but is revealed and explained in Halo: Envoy

[gaunt tiger]

k

[limber dagger]

basically, 16 feet tall walking tanks with a hivemind that makes them super dangerous and hard to control

[gaunt tiger]

kk

[naive horizon]

People surmised that the skimmers are the same species as her

i'm not sure if it's true

but they both have insect like qualities

[limber dagger]

yeah its possible. they look more insectoid like the drones tho. maybe.

tbh she looked like an AI to me. some sort of one at least.

her form was too fluid, like it looked like a hologram that was made real.

[naive horizon]

you can see her tiny mouth if you look closely

[limber dagger]

hold up

oh damn that does look very close. would make sense too. maybe she is their queen or something. looks like a cross between a san shyyum and a drone. definitely an entirely new species.

but at the same time they look almost identical to the original drones as well.

[versed helm]

I wonder why the harbinger allied with the banished

I think she plans on betraying them

[naive horizon]

By the looks of it, the banished want to use the ring to destroy the unsc/humanity

harbinger seems to dislike humans

but maybe as soon as they stop being useful she'll probably pull something

[burnt pulsar]

Doesn’t everything in halo hate humans

[sullen ridge]

even humans hate humans

[edgy radish]

Originally I don’t think Atriox hated humanity

We just pissed him off when we got in his way

Angry Atriox Brings Hell To Halo "He would tell the soldiers that they, too, are nothing but expendable. They are nothing more than cannon fodder to be thrown at their enemies. He would tell them that he doesn’t blame them for what they are. He bears them no malice. But he would also tell them that he offers no mercy. They have a role to play, just as he does, and that means that he must kill them all."

[inner basin]

I mean some Elites like humans. I mean one in particular has a strong liking to Palmer. It liked Palmer so much it wrote a poem for her

[edgy radish]

That’s from the HALO RISE OF ATRIOX #1 comic

https://youtu.be/HH77LG_D6WA

Also remember he tried to give the SoF a chance to leave peacefully, but we refused

[sullen ridge]

yet still slaughtered what were mostly scientists

[inner basin]

I mean tbf, that is exactly what Cutter replied with

[swift seal]

Why did Atriox attack the humans on the Ark?

[sullen ridge]

probably because he didn't want them there

[swift seal]

Ok but he also gave the SoF a chance to leave peacefully

[sullen ridge]

true that

but the spirit didn't have awful much chances by leaving

since you know

slipspace drive went woosh

[inner basin]

Because the SoF was thwarting Atriox’s efforts and plans

[swift seal]

Ok but by that logic the present humans were also thwarting his plans, and he minced them

Not to mention the human presence on the Ark was more of a scientific one than military

[versed helm]

So what exactly is a Forerunner Prefect?

Is it another type of Warrior-Servant?

Anyone?

[unique rune]

Unknown. All we know about Forerunner Prefects is that they were some class within Forerunner society that made use of some specialized type of body armor.

I'd wager they probably aren't a class of Warrior-Servants. Maybe Builder Security? But that's just speculation.

[stable flower]

Nevermind the fact that he slaughtered innocent civilians at Henry Lamb

[dark harbor]

Looking at the related armor set I would say it's not far off to speculate that the prefects could have been security for high level officials or possibly even special forces/black ops for the Forerunners. It gives me a very low profile feel which would be perfect for operation behind enemy lines much like the ONI Head Hunters.

[burnt pulsar]

What’s the lore on Harbringer? Is she forunner or something else?

[gilded mason]

We don't know what she is nor her deal.

[dark harbor]

I would honestly bank on forerunner or an advance promethean construct

[gilded mason]

I mean, she doesn't look like a Forerunner nor a construct

And she talks about Forerunners as if she wasn't one, so

[burnt pulsar]

Yea she seems to be a ancient being too

[dark harbor]

What if she is a precursor

[gilded mason]

That'd be a 'no' as well.

[burnt pulsar]

No the forunners made sure of that

Maybe a ancient human?

Or maybe a forunner human hybrid?

[gilded mason]

Makes more sense for her to be a new species entirely

[burnt pulsar]

Yea she seems powerful but a raw kind of power not like her suit is powering her up

[stable flower]

The Harbinger and the Skimmers are an entirely new species that's probably not even a Covenant fringe species

[dark harbor]

Does anyone think at some point, seeing as Infinite is supposed to be a 10 year game, that the flood and Mendicant Bias will play a role in the story?

[burnt pulsar]

No not likely but there probably will be a flood themed DLC like awaking the nightmare

[inner basin]

They weren’t really thwarting his plans as they didn’t really present a threat. The SoF did, especially with a Spartan team aboard

[swift seal]

so then why did he attack them

[inner basin]

Well the Flood is a possibility in DLC, or if they add FireFight give it canonicity, saying that FireFight is continued efforts by Spartan teams across the surface of the ring fighting Banished and Flood alike.

Ask for Mendicant Bias his status is unknown, he could’ve died and his messages to Chief in the terminals was him trying to atone for his atrocities against the Forerunners before he “died” but in technical terms was destroyed or self-deleted

[inner basin]

Moreso for sport/entertainment, or for the fact that he just didn’t want humans being there at this place for whatever his ambitions with the Ark were. He also may of thought that there was a possibility they could contact possible UNSC forces nearby and so killed them to prevent them from doing that (even though there weren’t but he didn’t know that). He didn’t really know if they got there by the portal (if he even knew there was a portal) or if UNSC ships were nearby

[dark harbor]

Didn't the prophets find a fragment of him though so he may be shut down or in low power in a sense but I don't think he is deleted. And I don't think he is atoning for anything since he was taken over by the logic plague.

[inner basin]

They did, which was aboard the Keyship which Truth took to the Ark, so he reunited with himself iirc. Also it may have been the logic plague, but he still fought the Battle against his creators, which is why he is atoning for his actions

[loud kestrel]

hey

uhh so lore, any idea what lore to talk about?

[real glacier]

Lmaooooo

[unique rune]

It doesn't and I hate that that whole thing is still circulating

[tame sparrow]

Hola

[unique rune]

Arguing with this nonsense isn't worth my time

[modest knoll]

whats the lore?>

[unique rune]

k

@fair hazel could we get some cleanup

[real glacier]

Bruh it was a joke

[unique rune]

Well, maybe they should get better jokes and not try to pretend that they’re canon.

[fair hazel]

They're gone. So let's get back to this

[edgy radish]

How many Halo rings are still out there?

[gilded mason]

7

[edgy radish]

4 and 5 where destroyed as was the replacement on the Ark in Halo 3

[gusty star]

5 wasn’t really destroyed, just glassed a bit. There was a replacement for the replacement that entered slip space in Halo Wars 2.

[edgy radish]

Right on

[gritty gazelle]

If they had 20 gamma company 3’s on board the infinity it would be chilling

[autumn shale]

The infinity has a sister ship right?

[unique rune]

The UNSC Eternity is still incomplete and probably will be for the time being, but, yes, it does exist.

[noble fjord]

Hypothetical question time.

Would Humanity have won the Human Covenant War if the Great Schism didn't happen?

I say there's two possible versions of this alternate universe

One where the Sangheili remained loyal to the covenant

And one where the Covenant successfully put down the rebellion before they joined Humanity

[burnt pulsar]

No probably not the covenant would probably have activated 05 due to Arby playing a key role in killing Tartarus

Both would have the same outcome too with Tartarus activating the ring and killing all life

[sullen ridge]

whole reason humanity won at all was because of the great schism and the covenant at it's core falling apart

[humble yacht]

You might be thinking of Silent Shadow

[untold wasp]

is there a hunter flood?

[humble yacht]

No

The flood tank is not made from Hunters

It’s a pure form. Hunters are not suitable for becoming combat forms because of their makeup

[sullen ridge]

flood can't infect worms

[gusty star]

No that was the Spec-Ops Infiltration Harness. The Silent Shadow are a very select sub-division of the Special Operations division that wear an experimental variant of the Infiltration harness that has yet to appear in any game.

[naive horizon]

i think they might have a hand in killing noble team

those zealots we saw might've been that

but idk

they seemed to specifically hunt noble team

[granite violet]

I would like to pay my respects to infinity Comms the most memorable character in halo 5

[cobalt quiver]

Is it stated why Cheif and blue team received Mark VI Gen III instead of Mark VII

[cyan wave]

Do we know what happens to Jun after Reach, since he left with the doc?

[granite violet]

Infinity Comms was underutilized

[sullen ridge]

a lot

[naive horizon]

yep, he's the one that started the spartan 4 program

it's pretty cool stuff

[cyan wave]

:0 is that in a book?

[sullen ridge]

he retired is one of the founders of s4

[cyan wave]

Must read

[sullen ridge]

comics i think it was

[naive horizon]

i think he's on the infinity right now

[sullen ridge]

and book

[naive horizon]

i know that spartan 3s at the very least are confirmed as being on the infinity

[cyan wave]

He's old as hell then. Dang xD

[sullen ridge]

he personally offered buck to be an s4

[naive horizon]

well tbh it hasn't been that long when you look at it

the first few halo games took place within a few weeks

which is so weird to think about

[cyan wave]

Hasnt it been like 20something years since Reach in Infinite?

[sullen ridge]

no

[naive horizon]

I don't think so

[sullen ridge]

8 years

[naive horizon]

yeah just about

[sullen ridge]

reach is 2552 infinite 2559-2560

[cyan wave]

Woah what. So much has happened in a short time omg lol

[naive horizon]

man when you think about it

if emile just stopped being cocky and looked behind him and stopped that zealot

noble 6 would be fighting alongside chief

[cyan wave]

What makes you say that? They still woulda been glassed

[naive horizon]

6 was on the pelican with keys

the one thing that stopped him was emile getting stabbed

[sullen ridge]

pretty much

[deep pewter]

Six most likely would’ve been stationed elsewhere, I doubt he would’ve fled with the PoA

[naive horizon]

he had to get on the cannon instead of emile cause he was destroyed

[naive horizon]

he was literally on the way to doing so

[sullen ridge]

aszod shipyard was the only place left to get off planet in that region

and PoA went directly to 04 after reach

there was no elsewhere in those moments

it was go or die

[deep pewter]

He wasn’t under the command of the Navy

[sullen ridge]

since reach was being glassed

[naive horizon]

6 and chief fighting together would be unfair for the covenant tbh

[cyan wave]

Emile. Being young is thinking hes badass.

Growing up is realizing hes just kind of a jerk xD

[naive horizon]

what difference does this make?

[sullen ridge]

^

even if he wasn't there was no other way out

[deep pewter]

What difference does completely different branches of the military make on command structure?

[naive horizon]

he'd be on the ring with chief

Yes what difference would it make

[gusty star]

The only one who was giving him any orders following Carter’s death was Keyes

[naive horizon]

he's still a spartan tasked with keeping cortana safe

literally the same orders as chief

[deep pewter]

And he did

[sullen ridge]

only place he could've gone to was castle and menachite mountain was quite the walk from the shipyard

[naive horizon]

hell i think chief wouldn't even have cortana (or maybe he would since they already were acquainted?)

[cyan wave]

Call me an optimest. But I think Noble 6 got out.

[naive horizon]

maybe they would both have a fragments of her

[deep pewter]

Cortana picked John

[naive horizon]

she picked 6 too

[gusty star]

Got out?

[sullen ridge]

we saw him get stabbed

[deep pewter]

She picked 6 as a courier, Chief was who she actually wanted

[sullen ridge]

literally

chief was on the autumn

or at least nowhere present

[naive horizon]

But yeah both of those spartans on board would be pretty badass

imagine him being player 2 in coop

I think they'd both be fighting alongside eachother OR 6 would be with keys' team

alternate timeline where keys gets out of the flood infestation/the worst timeline with 6 being infected

could go either way really

[clear notch]

Ayo is cheese a vegetable or a fruit im curious

[sullen ridge]

neither

[clear notch]

bru

SO SAD GAMERS

[sullen ridge]

cheese is a dairy product

[clear notch]

i think its a vegetable

[sullen ridge]

also wrong channel and kinda not the server for it

well you're wrong

[clear notch]

oh frick

yeah

i meant to post this on anotehr server sorry

i think i need glasses

[opal schooner]

... a lot

[deep pewter]

That was the point, yes

[noble fjord]

What did the prophets use to replace Elite Zealots

[humble yacht]

Other zealots

[stable flower]

Probably Brute Chieftans

[twilit linden]

They feared that the Sangheili’s would turn against them just like the Heretic’s. They believed that the Brutes were more reliable and trustworthy than the Sangheili’s

[stable flower]

i.e. more brawn than brains

[hardy light]

6 was stabbed, it could have missed the vitals, it’s not likely but it’s possible

[twilit linden]

Pretty much. Even the Spartans had a hard enough time to bring the Brutes down

I remember Chief’s first encounter with a Brute and he had issues bringing the beast down

[sullen ridge]

getting stabbed in the gut with an energy sword doesn't seem like it would have you alive long after

[hardy light]

I didn’t say he would survive for long after, even if it missed the vital organs he would bleed out

I dunno, maybe he had a med-pack on him

[versed helm]

Just thought about this, but how many spartan 3's are still alive because I know most died in massive suicide missions

[gilded mason]

A fair amount of Gammas should still be alive.

[strong tinsel]

Wouldnt the vital fluids have been vaporized by the energy sword?

[gilded mason]

Also, it wouldn't really matter if that first sword didn't hit vital organs considering he was literally surrounded by Elites and prone on the ground. He was dead no matter what.

[hardy light]

Master chief has survived some ridiculous odds, I’m not saying 6 is alive, the planet was glassed after all

[gilded mason]

He was never in a situation like that, I'm fairly sure.

[strong tinsel]

Master chief also is the luckiest person there is

[gilded mason]

Luck is just a nod to him being a protagonist

[strong tinsel]

True

[hardy light]

6 is 100% dead, I’m just saying there was a chance they survived the initial stab, besides the sword would have closed the wound due to heat

[mossy jolt]

Frederic 104 really needs more time in the Spotlight

[inner basin]

I think a Spartan-III needs more time in the spotlight imo

[versed helm]

hi

[gritty gazelle]

I heavily agree with this

Imagine gamma company off their smoothers just tearing things up

I’d love to see that

[deep pewter]

An actual Spartan III, not a nu-II like in Reach

[gritty gazelle]

So an SPI wearing III?

[deep pewter]

Yes

[inner basin]

I mean I'd be happy with either a Cat-2 Spartan-III or a Spartan-III Gamma Company team

[gritty gazelle]

Same

[inner basin]

Either would be fine, or hell, even a Headhunter Team would be cool

[gritty gazelle]

I feel 3’s are hella underrated but all their feats are in SPI compared to 2’s in full Mjolnir

[small geode]

Everybody would rather be a S3 in Mjolnir. S3 in SPI is just plain suicide.

[inner basin]

I mean a lot of people forget the fact that Spartan-IIIs augmentations are on par with the Spartan-IIs

[gritty gazelle]

I literally argue that in every comment section it’s not even funny

[small geode]

That and the frontal lobe augment that requires occasional medication.

[inner basin]

Don't underestimate SPI, it's still Semi-Powered, and in some cases is known to include Energy Shielding, but whether this was just one Binary Headhunter Team, the whole Headhunter program, or even further use is unknown

[inner basin]

That was just the Gammas, but you are correct

[inner basin]

I'm the same. I'm a Spartan-III fanatic

[small geode]

Definitely not underestimating it, but it's paper thin compared to a mjolnir.

[small geode]

Spartan III gang rise up yo.

[inner basin]

Oh yeah, the regular SPI Mark I and Mark II are definitely not comparable to Mjolnir, but the Energy Shielded SPI in capable hands is bearable. Also remember in ODST you don't have any energy shielding, just a big health bar, so if it's the gameplay you're worrying about, it'll be fine

[inner basin]

Yeah yeah!!

[small geode]

ODSTs just gotta play it different compared to Spartans. Like that time when Naomi was sprinting across to the Sangheili temple and had to make sure everything was alright before Vaz and Mal ran across the square.

[inner basin]

IIRC, Buck in his ODST days called Spartan's glorified bullet catchers

[small geode]

You sure don't to be standing next to them lol

[inner basin]

For sure. But yeah, I feel like that's just due to the resentment many ODSTs held for the Spartans, but some changed their minds after fighting next to them, and in some cases, were saved by Spartans

[gritty gazelle]

Same favorite thing in halo but will is my favorite Spartan tied with Fred

[small geode]

Master Chief sure got roasted that one time but he was still respected as a soldier. Still..

[inner basin]

Man, Will. He deserved better. The way he went out just wasn't it. Survived Reach, the Slipspace Anomaly, the Battle of Earth, just to die in such a lame way on Onyx

[small geode]

Dude took on a hunter pair, what a boss.

[gritty gazelle]

Died standing up

[inner basin]

I mean Chief proved himself time and time again, to the point in post-war where no one really wants to challenge him directly. Like Locke realised that trying to bring Blue Team in forcefully wasn't going to work, so the second time he went peacefully

[inner basin]

I mean yeah, but he didn't survive so much just to die by a Hunter after killing it's Bond Brother albeit in hand-to-hand combat

He had so much potential is what I'm saying (essentially)

[small geode]

Then we have two more S3 heroes, Dante who fought on for a little while longer after having his chest blown out and heroic Holly who stepped in front of Kelly to save her and got literally deleted.

[inner basin]

Can we talk about Divine Wind yet, or is it still for spoilers?

[small geode]

Sometimes people just die for stupid reasons. Like Sam.

[inner basin]

I feel like that's fair because humanity didn't really know how to fight the Covenant or the weaponry

[gritty gazelle]

Personally wanna of my favorite things every time I hear it

[inner basin]

I'd talk about Mark, but I'm unsure about if that's a spoiler

[gritty gazelle]

Didn’t read it but my friend spoiled me so I’m upset about certain events

[inner basin]

Me too man. I read it though

[gritty gazelle]

Crazy how that’s what I’m referring too

Literally my favorite 3

[small geode]

Haven't read it yet ;_; still stuck a bunch of books behind

[inner basin]

I won't spoil it then, even if it isn't part of spoilers anymore

[small geode]

Well I watched a bunch of vids to bridge the story for Infinite for me so I'm alright if we wanna talk about it

Even if I'm few books behind lol

[inner basin]

Nah, the reading experience is better. It's a solid book

[terse lava]

Divine Wind was an excellent read

[edgy depot]

You know, all the books make Spartans, especially Master Chief, sound pretty much unstoppable. I know the games need a way for the player to lose in order to provide challenge, but I think it'd be interesting for a game to finally tackle just how strong Spartans are.

[terse lava]

Well I mean if you did that, you'd have to make the enemy more akin to their proper lore as well

Ans that would be just unfun to play

[small geode]

You do have a lot of Spartans dying in the books. So much that one Spartan just took a brute shot in the stomach and died instantly.

[terse lava]

Think it was multiple, but yeah

[inner basin]

You can say that again

[gritty gazelle]

MC’s first encounter with the brutes

[terse lava]

Another one was able to almost choke out chief bare handed. Yet another during the battle of Earth was able to do the same to Fred, with a bullet in its head for a few moments.

[inner basin]

Look at The Fall of Reach. Also as much as I hate it, The Next 72 Hours arc

[terse lava]

All things considered, Spartans are pretty much only impressive when compared to base humans, Unggoy, and Kig-Yar

[small geode]

Naomi did have a struggle keeping down Jul Mdama

[inner basin]

I mean I'd argue they had a strong effect against the whole Covenant. I mean they did earn the nickname Demon

[edgy depot]

I thought Demon was the Covenant specifically referring to Chief.

[inner basin]

I think initially yes, but I believe it became more widespread for others. Like Grey Team got the nickname Demon 3 and Atriox called Red Team Little Demons

[small geode]

I'd say it's universal over the Spartans but most used in the games to refer to MC.

And then you have the ODSTs getting called Imps.

[inner basin]

Yep, that too, because although ODSTs aren't as strong as Spartans, they still are highly skilled compared to other Marines

[small geode]

Reading escalation rn.

[edgy depot]

Okay, I got a question. I see in trailers and clips of Infinite, the big bad (I think) of the game, one of the Banished, keeps mentioning an 'Atriox'. Who are they and should I know who they are going into Infinite?

[terse lava]

Other way around, it was used for all the Spartans, but after Alpha Halo was taken out chief earned "The Demon" compared to just "demon"

[inner basin]

Enjoy The Next 72 Hours story arc, because I sure didn't

[small geode]

Finding it funny that Lasky would be in any sort of trouble with Osman since he got planted on Infinity by ONI itself.

[inner basin]

Ahh, okay. Ik it was one way or the other

[unique rune]

Atriox is the founder and leader of the Banished and more or less the main antagonist of Halo Wars 2.

[stone wharf]

Atriox is the leader of the Banished. He was the first to rebel against the covenant and survive, leading to the formation of the Banished

[inner basin]

Watch a HW2 cutscene video if you are unable to play it yourself. I think that'd help

[terse lava]

He wasn't the first, just the only one Isabelle knew of

[gritty gazelle]

A menace to society essentially

[stone wharf]

Ah right, I forgot about Thel, though that was more him being betrayed than defying the Covenant

[terse lava]

Not Thel either

That was later

[gilded mason]

There were many others, they just died out.

[terse lava]

Not the Ussans

[gilded mason]

Yeah, they were based enough to survive

[terse lava]

And the actual first

[gilded mason]

😌

[edgy depot]

The Halo Wars series aren't traditional Halo games, correct? They play closer to something like StarCraft, right?

[gilded mason]

Yeah, RTS

[terse lava]

Yeah they are an RTS

[edgy depot]

Gotcha.

I think both are free on Gamepass. Might have to check them out.

[gilded mason]

Sanghelios RPG when

[terse lava]

Halo Wars is pretty good

I still enjoy it

[inner basin]

Soon™️

[edgy depot]

Hey, is Spartan Assault important overall? What's it play like?

[terse lava]

@gilded mason someday my friend

[unique rune]

Spartan Assault and Strike aren’t really important to anything

[small geode]

Halo Wars were made by remade ensemble, Age of Empires ya know.

[terse lava]

Sad really how the creators in Ensemble were treated by Bungie

[unique rune]

They’re more or less inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Pretty straightforward twin-stick top-down shooters. They’re pretty okay but not especially remarkable.

[small geode]

RTS studios always get the short stick.

[edgy depot]

Ah. Gotcha.

You know, I wonder how Chief would fare in Destiny. Think he'd make a decent Guardian?

[small geode]

Dude would be up there with Shaxx.

[edgy depot]

I hope we get a Destiny/Halo crossover one day.

Even if it just means cosmetic stuff in Destiny.

I wanna wear armor that looks like Spartan gear.

[gritty gazelle]

Chief would be titan 100%

Sadly coming from a hunter main

[deep pewter]

Titan is best, after all

[edgy depot]

You guys say that, but Golden Gun is where it's at.

[gritty gazelle]

Spectral blades go bbbrrrrr

[deep pewter]

Never cared for ez mode hunters

[gritty gazelle]

It’s fun like running ace of spades

[edgy depot]

I don't know who told you Hunter was ez mode, but I can assure you that|| it is.||

Cade 6 best character don't @ me.

[deep pewter]

Cayde dying was the best thing to happen to Destiny

[small geode]

Bro

The hekkin you said just now

[edgy depot]

He was the only one who's death would resonate with the fans.

[small geode]

I still wanna cry as hunter main

[edgy depot]

The other two didn't have nearly as much personality compared to Cade 6.

Anyways, Chief in Destiny would be cool. Bungie I think even included a reference to him in Destiny 2.

Which, question. Does 343 exclusively own the Halo IP? Do they share it with Bungie? Or is it like Kingdom Hearts where Bungie still fully owns Halo and 343 just makes the games for them now?

[small geode]

Microsoft owns the IP.

[edgy depot]

Ah, gotcha.

[small geode]

Bungie was down the hole for like a 1mil so MS bought them for 40mil, Bungie later wanted to get out so they agreed to do two more games, did ODST and Reach. They exchanged their freedom for the IP going to MS.

[edgy depot]

And now they do Destiny.

[small geode]

They went for a 10 year publishing deal with Activision-Blizz and then got out AGAIN to publish D2 under themselves.

[edgy depot]

Ah, so that's why D1 had so much DLC.

[small geode]

But it's also the reason why D2 has such an aggressive monetization

They're flying under their own flag and need the cash.

[edgy depot]

Makes sense.

[small geode]

Sadly it's also the reason why there won't be D3.

[edgy depot]

I was hoping there would be, once they finished up with Destiny 2.

[small geode]

They scrapped the idea around the time of Beyond Light's release.

During an interview Bungie said that there is not much they can improve on and are satisfied with how D2 is structured and it offers them a good framework for story-development in terms of expansions and new abilities.

[edgy depot]

I do feel for them. I mean, they were essentially the pioneers of Xbox and Xbox Live. Without them and Halo, the first Xbox wouldn't have made it very far in the console wars. It's because of them that we currently have the newest Xbox. But entering a deal with Microsoft and being essentially forced to do nothing but Halo for the foreseeable future isn't the best of boxes for a creator to be stuffed into.

[dapper cliff]

There's some fun goodies in the 30th anniversary thing for Bungie on the Steam store

[edgy depot]

Of course they'd eventually want out and the freedom to work on new stuff.

[small geode]

Honestly, it's a long series of coincidences.

[burnt pulsar]

Guys this is the lore and universe not general

Anyways is there any lore on the map Behemoth

[unique rune]

https://www.halopedia.org/Behemoth

[small geode]

Plenty of lore

[rigid current]

Hey, was it just

random chance that the Autumn arrived over Installation 04?

And what was this "secret mission" Halsey had planned? Did she know about the Halo Array due to the Forerunner ship on Reach?

[unique rune]

The Autumn jumped to 04 because Cortana used coordinates recovered from a Forerunner artifact from Sigma Octanus IV. Data from the Forerunner ship buried in the Babd Catha ice shelf helped her interpret the Sigma Octanus IV info as coordinates.

[rigid current]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Thanks

Also I know ONI had info on the forerunners and Ancient Humanity, and sparse info on the flood and precursors

Did they know about the Halo Array before the Autumn arrived over Installation 04?

[unique rune]

I don’t believe they did.

[rigid current]

I kind of doubt that tbh

[unique rune]

It’s possible they might’ve found hints to the Array’s existence prior to 04’s discovery but may not have known how to interpret it.

But as current canon goes, nothing suggests the UNSC or ONI knew about the Halo Array prior to the events at Alpha Halo.

[rigid current]

Fair fair

[gray sedge]

Hmm

[rigid current]

Still, they knew more than they let one

Considering The Heart of Midlothian

er wait

Not the Heart

Mona Lisa

[gray sedge]

I mean from what Halsey says ONI is in the dark about forerunner tech for a most of the war, and were only able to utilise just before 2552 (Infinity and Cortana)

[rigid current]

Yes but Halsey works/worked for ONI

I doubt she'd just give up information

[gray sedge]

They took so long to use and translate it, so the only reason they never learned of the arrays was they found 04 before ONI or Halsey found definite evidence of its existence

[rigid current]

Hmmm, fair enough I suppose

[gray sedge]

Yeah remember that ONI are not all knowing gods, they are more like the CIA or KGB.

Very knowledgeable and secretive intelligence agencies which know ALMOST everything that is going on in the world

[rigid current]

fair fair

[sullen ridge]

with their fair share of "nonexistant" missions

[keen snow]

Probally upgraded to a new combat harness with more modern tech and wasn't made by the prophets... good symbolism for the leader of post-covenant Sanghillios.

[swift seal]

If you’re talking about his different physiology it’s due to 343 not wanting to spend time making a model true to his original figure

[unique rune]

His armor is a new set meant to pay homage to historical Arbiter armor while his body is just a resource conservation thing.

The Prophets' Bane was rebuilt from an ancient Energy Sword from the 'Vadam clan's pre-Covenant days reforged with components from the sword Thel used to kill the Prophet of Truth.

Like you have to remember there's 6 years between the events of Halo 3 and 5, the Arbiter and his forces weren't just sitting around with their four thumbs shoved up their rear ends.

[edgy radish]

Following the aftermath of the Human-Covenant War, Arbiter Thel 'Vadam recovered the sword from the House of Vadam's vaults. Unusual among Sangheili, the Arbiter reforged and upgraded the blade in a way that apparently preserved its honor and history, but changed its destiny. Upgraded in the traditional Sangheili manner in his clan's own forge, 'Vadam insisted for the blade to incorporate components of the Type-1 energy sword that he used to assassinate the High Prophet of Truth during the Battle of Installation 00 in 2552. Like other Sangheili relic weapons, the Prophets' Bane was not named by its wielder, but rather by other Sangheili as 'Vadam's blade became a known instrument of change and self-determination across the Sangheili colonies. Following the sword's upgrade, the Arbiter wielded the Prophets' Bane to slay his foes in the conflicts that followed the Covenant War, including the Blooding Years that engulfed much of Sanghelios.

[burnt pulsar]

What’s the lore accuracy of Charity Falls the fan made video series

[humble yacht]

Well by virtue of being a fan creation, it’s not canon

It’s fanon

[fair shale]

Before Halo infinite what other Spartans had a ai?

[edgy radish]

As far as I knew, only Master Chief had a personal AI

The others either used the local AI, like Roland on the SoF

[gilded mason]

Other Spartans like Fred and Linda have used personal AI before, yes

[edgy radish]

But where they smart AI’s? Or dumb ones like what we have in Infinity

[gilded mason]

Smart

[dire fractal]

Cortana was a hot AI

[fair shale]

ayo 📸

And Also thanks for clearing this up

[edgy radish]

I never knew the others had smart AI myself

I always thought John was the only one

[fair shale]

Yeah

[edgy radish]

I still can’t find any sources for the mention of it

[gilded mason]

Last Light for Fred, and Lone Wolf for Linda.

[edgy radish]

But Athos was partnered with Linda on that mission, it doesn’t seem like the same as Cortona always being with John

That’s what it seemed
@fair shale was asking

[gilded mason]

They were still used, however briefly. (And John only spent a few weeks with Cortana, anyway)

[edgy radish]

I can understand the question though, for what it’s worth. They spent 4 games together

[silent juniper]

Naomi-010 interfaced with the smart AI Black Box for a time while using her Mark VII prototype armor.

[fair shale]

Hmm

[silent juniper]

Was during the earlier times of Jul 'Mdama's uprising, before the events of H4 but after H3

[gilded mason]

Yes Whoops, thought you said "Was this"

[silent juniper]

And I believe one of Red Team interfaced with the AI during Halo Wars 2

[fair shale]

Wait is rvb cannon?

[gilded mason]

It's not. Why would it be...?

[fair shale]

Idk all the references to it

[gilded mason]

They're just easter eggs

[fair shale]

Yeah

Just thought I'd ask

[silent juniper]

RvB makes references to Halo's universe and seems to play alongside it, but I think RvB isn't canon in Halo beyond potentially being a real show series to some degree. They could probably shoehorn it in if they really wanted to.

[fair shale]

Ah ok

[edgy radish]

RvB seemed more like a parody of the Halo franchise.

[scenic mortar]

So I'm curious on opinions. While the game makes it clear the Infinity probably can't take down Guardians, what about the Forerunner Dreadnought that Truth used to get to the Ark? I'm not the biggest lore expert but from what I can tell both are hyped up to be some of the most OP things imaginable.

tl:dr: Forerunner Dreadnought vs Guardian, who'll win?

[versed helm]

In regards to human weaponry, especially in the post-war era, how much of the UNSC's arsenal has already incorporated Directed Energy Weapons?

I was imagining that the Infinity would've had plasma turrets or some other type of DEW weaponry on it

[fair shale]

So is Cortana the bad guy in infinite?

[rapid hare]

its 343.... so yeah, if it makes sense or makes you happy, choose the opposite of that and there is your answer... Hopefully the campaign is as good as it looks though

[fair shale]

Ight

[tacit pecan]

Roland wasn't on the Spirit of Fire...

[tacit pecan]

That's exactly what it is.

[tacit pecan]

Jerome interfaced with Isabel, yes.

[tacit pecan]

All the promotional material has been about the Banished. Cortana is barely mentioned.

[tacit pecan]

Reminder that the Mona Lisa takes place post-Halo CE. They only know what they know because of the events of Alpha Halo.

[vast edge]

So isn't the gravemind still on delta halo?

I thought graveminds cannot move and are completely stationary

[fossil hollow]

can anyone tell me what happened wih the promitians are we gonna see them in halo infinite ?

[versed helm]

the gravemind we knew is dead

but it can always reset itself to create a new one

[tacit charm]

yes

[versed helm]

probably dreadnought because the forerunners wouldnt design something they couldnt kill

[soft jungle]

I have a question

[tacit charm]

unless that scene in h2 is legitimately just because of the plot, the infinity smacs will be able to take out the dreadnaught quite easily. if something like the MA's shield were able to be piece by two of infinity's smac (yes ik odp bombard cocoon but those odps couldnt even take out a cas) then it stands to reason that at the very least all four smacs fired at the dreadnaught would do some damage to it

oh wait

replied with the wrong answer oops

[tacit charm]

forerunner dreadnaught i guess cause it could just ram the guardian

[vast edge]

How does samuri armor fit with halo lore? It seems like a random design for a future arms manufacture to make

[versed helm]

No, its from a different timeline/'dimension' kinda like the mcc armor
Hence the name Fracture lol

[vast edge]

Another dimension? Are there any books about it?

[versed helm]

No lol

[low condor]

Welcome to the haloverse lmao

[versed helm]

To be simple, it's non-canon

[rare rover]

Why does lord hood have a piece of metal in the back of his head?

[unique rune]

It’s a neural implant/lace/interface. Standard issue for UNSC personnel, though Hood’s is a specialized command neural interface.

[rare rover]

is that what chief ripped out of keys' head?

[unique rune]

Yep

[rare rover]

yikes....i see Elon Musk is making something like that did u see that?

I would like to know how Johnson surived Halo CE? what happene?

is there any lore on that?

[unique rune]

His escape from the Flood was detailed in the original Halo Graphic Novel, where it pretty much shows he was really good at shooting and evading Flood infection.

Everything between CE and 2 is detailed in the novel First Strike.

[rare rover]

oh ok cool

i read the fall of reach

[burnt pulsar]

Shhhhhh that’s confidential

[vast edge]

More like Apple

[edgy radish]

@vast edge ```Fractures are reinterpretations of the Halo universe, akin to alternate universes, that exist separately to the core canon of the franchise. They are designed to maintain the main elements and themes of the Halo universe, but are markedly divergent due to either fundamental differences in the nature of the setting, or the way certain events play out. Fractures are designed to give fans a unique and fresh take on the Halo universe, while leaving the existing lore untouched.

Fractures universes are used to lend background lore to otherwise non-canonical in-game elements, such as the Yoroi core in Halo Infinite or Belos, Blackguard and Drengr armours in Halo: The Master Chief Collection. As such, they are often linked to in-game events, such as MCC's Season 8: Mythic or Infinite's Fractures: Tenrai event.```

[deep pewter]

Why wouldn’t ODSTs still exist?

[edgy radish]

There where ODST’s in Halo Wars 2

And I believe in the Shadows of Reach novel

[gentle ore]

They still do. You can see evidence of that in a lot of the infinite trailers where the Chief is looking at the holomap with all the IFF tags. Many of them belong to ODSTs

[edgy radish]

@versed helm you also have to remember that the Spartan IV program was voluntary based on ONI selection

[unique rune]

Spartan-IV is still pretty selective and MJOLNIR armor still isn’t exactly cheap to produce.

The UNSC isn’t going to just phase out > 60k ODSTs overnight because they have ~1k S-IVs.

[edgy radish]

That they did, but they still exists in the current time

[woeful bobcat]

getting rid of odsts after creating the spartan IVs is like saying "we have a few battleships, let's get rid of our fleet of destroyers"

[edgy radish]

#facts

[mental olive]

According to an interview with Joseph Staten, the Prometheans are "taking a long, well-deserved nap"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9qfgsoU0hg&ab_channel=GameInformer

[inner basin]

He’s probably meaning that we won’t be seeing them for a while. They could eventually pop up on Zeta Halo (depending on the events of the main campaign) in later DLC

Yes, while a number of ODSTs were recruited into the Spartan-IV program, there is still a use for ODSTs, similar to how there’ll always be a need for Marines (with ODSTs being highly qualified/trained Marines more or less hence why they fall under the Marine branch unless they’re specially reassigned elsewhere)

[teal steppe]

Is there actually a canon explanation for the design change from 4-5 to infinite?

[inner basin]

In terms of enemies, they’re other forms of those species. There’s a term but I’ve forgotten it.

As for the UNSC, they went from GEN1 Mjolnir (pre-Halo 4), to GEN2 that launched alongside the Spartan-IV program, then in Infinite is GEN3 Mjolnir (which is why the design has gone back to “classic-looking”.

Chief’s armour changed from Halo 3 to Halo 4 because Cortana did some firmware upgrades to his HUD and used a nanobot suite to change how the armour looked, giving Chief the Mk. VI MOD, which he subsequently used all the way up to receiving his GEN3 Mk. VI Mjolnir suit.

That’s about all the lore around the design changes I can think of. If I made any minor mistakes, I’ll be corrected, or if I forgot something, others will add to what I’ve said

[unique rune]

In terms of enemies, they’re other forms of those species. There’s a term but I’ve forgotten it.
Phenotypic variation is more or less what you’re looking for.

The variations between Kig-Yar are specifically noted as being subspecies but the rest haven’t ever been identified as such, so for now it’s just different phenotypes.

[warm swallow]

Wdym by well deserved rest? What happened to the promethians

[inner basin]

They weren’t really liked as enemies to fight in Halo 4 and Halo 5 by an overwhelming amount of people. Myself included

I could see them being reworked a little to make them more enjoyable to fight for when they do return

[wispy prawn]

3 more days till we get a whole bunch more lore!!

[versed helm]

https://youtu.be/1R73sgPi00E

[brisk turtle]

What's the best source to get Halo Lore??

[gilded mason]

The best source is the books and other media themselves.

[fringe robin]

halopedia

[sullen ridge]

after reading the whole bio on Cortana it finally struck me as to how the portal to the ark suddenly closed

because of the guardian near orbiting earth

[bronze dragon]

Good night Spartans Im looking for 3 Gamers/streamers to play with I'm Gold 4 I'm also live on twitch:L2icydro if anyone wanna come show support u

[sullen ridge]

wrong channel

[inner basin]

You just realised that? Well hey, at least you're in the know, now

[versed helm]

Everyone I need some help I have an assessment on the master chief (I picked) so can you send me dms of halo master chief lore

[terse lava]

Can just check halopedia's master chief page

[versed helm]

Thx man

[spiral jewel]

I got to thinking,

what if the reason or at least a reason the Banished are/were on the Ark and Zeta Halo is that... they realized how big of a threat the Created were getting and needed some way of combating them effectively

[halcyon pier]

Guys, what if masterchef is real?

[versed helm]

halo theme plays

[versed helm]

Mimsterchaf*

Also if master chief is real so would the UNSC

Plus super human soldiers like that are too advanced

Yes

But wells get to that technology one day

Yeah in 2550

Not sure

Irl it’ll probably be around 2100

Seeing how most of halo takes place around the 2500s via cryo

[unreal ridge]

i find the nanobot theory to explain the art style change stupid

[versed helm]

Send it

We need the video

[unreal ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuub6MFt7gA

i just think it was just an art change but alot of people made the theory that it was nanobots that changed his armor

[versed helm]

Ima watch it rn

[halcyon pier]

Do you guys think misterchief would buy bitcoin or doge?

[versed helm]

Both

He’s a chad

[terse lava]

@spiral jewel those on the ark are not aware of the Created

[tacit pecan]

Reminder that the Spirit of Fire had ODSTs for days and was nowhere near UNSC space to be able to house Spartan-IVs.

[edgy radish]

Homie was asking if ODST’s still existed 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stable flower]

Days? More like years

[warm swallow]

Oh i thought you meant something happened in the lore to stop the promethians

[untold wasp]

I am pretty sure they were on the ark for more supplies and zeta idk

[halcyon pier]

The arbiter killed them all

[burnt pulsar]

We already have a suit that has the same capability as master chief’s armor but we do not have energy shielding or a 7 foot super soldier to wear it

[versed helm]

Yes

Master chief is a tall based chad

[burnt pulsar]

And was estimated that they will be in service in 2020 but the Rona hit so it is delayed

And also Spain has made the smart link stuff too

[versed helm]

They are working on it so

Happy monke

[burnt pulsar]

And England has made a suit that is bullet proof while also being a flexible computer

All we need to do is make a supersoldier and make energy shields and then we have mc

[versed helm]

Yes

Let’s just give him steroids

[burnt pulsar]

Nah let’s make this authentic

[versed helm]

No

Steroids

Give him a cod bo cw mp5

For speed

[burnt pulsar]

We don’t talk about COD here this is the Kings zone

[versed helm]

Oh I forgot

CoD is not based

[versed helm]

Master chief is 7ft, my dude is I'm pretty sure the size of shaquille o'neal

[stoic hull]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[meager moat]

Master chief is 7 ft without mjolnir with it he is like 8ft

[unique rune]

He's 6'10" out of armor, 7'2" in armor.

[versed helm]

How old would Roland be by halo infinite

I don't know his date of activation

[gilded mason]

Just 3

https://www.halopedia.org/Roland

[versed helm]

So unlike BB he would still be alive

[noble fjord]

Something I wondered

Why did the Arbiter and UNSC trade weapons in Halo 3?

Like I understand giving Humans Covenant weapons. But what benefit would the Elites get from our guns

[burnt pilot]

To learn each others weapons and to show each other they are on the same side

[tulip elk]

Yes

[versed helm]

How big of a upgrade is the Gen 3 armor over Gen 2?

[clever elk]

I mean there is kind of a good reason for this other than showing they are allies. Human weapons are typically better for flesh and skin (Kinetic), while Covenant weapons are typically better for Shields (Energy/Plasma). There are a few exceptions to this, such as the Carbine being ineffective against shields, or the Sniper Rifle not caring about shields. They also have different perks that the other side might find beneficial ie Rocket Launcher Lock-On vs Fuel Rod Mag Capacity. Nearly every human weapon is reusable too, only requiring other magazines (nearly because Spartan Laser), while most Covenant weapons (from gameplay at least. not sure about the actual lore reasoning) require you to replace the weapons, but not have to bother with reloading.

[rugged geyser]

👀

[versed helm]

Lore wise Plasma is better at both Flesh and Shield damage.
That's just gameplay.

[lament hornet]

Yep; Just ask Linda what being hit by Plasma is like

[hoary cosmos]

Thinking about getting into Halo and it’s lore now because of my good friend. Where should I start?

[warm swallow]

At halo wars 1 to infinite

And then study all novels and comics

[desert badge]

Halo