lore-and-universe

[burnt pulsar]

Just stop with these cringy things please

“For a brick he flew pretty good”

[unique sand]

Sgt. Johnson took the halo story in 1-3 from a 8 to a 10 single handedly

[vale thicket]

Add a point to odst casue he made a 2 brief Appearances

[dawn sapphire]

That’s fair

[stable flower]

MC goes AWOL nearly every time the UNSC goes to a Forerunner installation

[storm dome]

Sgt. Johnson - I KNOW what the ladies like...

[burnt pulsar]

“Dear Humanity…”

[storm dome]

We regret being alien bastards. We regret coming to Earth. And we most definitely regret that the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!

[burnt pulsar]

“OOH RAH”

[stable flower]

I'm sure he'd know what Angela Bassett would like if he lived long enough to hook up with her

[radiant temple]

how do elites eat?

[last anchor]

Same as we do, just with four jaws.
Presumably they tear into the meat with their mandibles and remove digestable chunks, or have some kind of hard crushing plates in their throats that mash it up more.

[radiant temple]

wont it just fall out the bottom of their mouths?

[last anchor]

Considering they're more reptilian than mammalian in biology, its possible they dont even really chew but digest wholesale, like a snake

Nah, their throats can open.

Also they can rotate their mandibles down to hold it in place presumably, the lower two seem fairly flexible.

[radiant temple]

thank you

[cosmic jay]

wow, that's... okay...

[last anchor]

Alien biology.

Or, perhaps, xenoanatomy

[autumn shale]

Is halo cryptum worth buying?

Im trying to learn more about forerunners

[terse lava]

I would say so, it does well as a novel

[upper coyote]

Question, Anyone vividly remember the scene in halo 4 where the Liberian gives the Chief the gene upgrade?

[gilded mason]

Why do you ask?

[upper coyote]

Some people I know are asking "Why didn't the Liberian just give the gene upgrade to the whole species when they were re-seeded?"

is it because that now that Chief has the Gene upgrade, his brain can no longer be used to make an A.I?

[gilded mason]

Ah. She said she did, it's just that apparently it was supposed to be introduced slower. For some reason.

[upper coyote]

Cause that is essentially what the Composer does?

[gilded mason]

Never heard that theory before

[upper coyote]

If it was introduced too early, then Humanity wouldn't have been able to make A.I's, A.I's are created by scanning the neural structure of a human brain and using it as a digital "framework" in a process known as Cognitive Impression Modeling. This process destroys the original brain tissue, so the brain to be used is typically obtained after the host is dead.

(pfft gifs don't work here)

[carmine sleet]

I don't think the thing the Librarian did would somehow make it impossible for Chief's brain to be used to make an AI the way the UNSC does

[upper coyote]

Human A.I tech was seeded by forrunners

It is the same process but on a larger scale for the Composer

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[upper coyote]

I was just replying …..using the reply feature.

[carmine sleet]

You can turn off tagging

[upper coyote]

No idea how

[gilded mason]

Right side of the pop up is a big "@ ON"

[upper coyote]

either way, this is kinda far from the point i was making

[fossil eagle]

Audible just told me that the Halo: The Rubicon Protocol book just got delayed from April to June.

[gilded mason]

It was delayed, yes.

[fossil eagle]

I will never recover from this.

[carmine sleet]

Given that we had to wait an extra year for Halo Infinite, I'm sure you'll live waiting a few more months for a book

[violet echo]

HALO IS DA BEST

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hh

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[spiral schooner]

If y'all didn't know the comics on sale on comixology

I bought 11 of em it's pretty good

[burnt wigeon]

Hey everyone. So I've never read any of the books, but I'm thinking of buying some audio books and starting to dive into more lore. Is there a specific order anyone would recommend doing them in? Or should I just pick and choose.

[naive horizon]

do you think the harbinger is a precursor?

the plot is looking like a repeat of history so idk

[tacit charm]

no

[carmine sleet]

Definitely not, she doesn't match any of the descriptions we've had of the Precursors and if she was one, there wouldn't even be a conflict on Zeta Halo since Precursors are basically god-like

[severe gust]

Ok, there is one thing that I’ve been wondering about for months.

Yknow the legolo? How they can pilot stuff like huge scarabs and use giant armor plates to be hunters??

If you got Enough legolo worms together, could they use Mjolnir armor??

I think they could. Those hunter armors are probably heavier. But I don’t know, can someone confirm that?

[terse lava]

They are gestalt creatures, when they combine together they become more intelligent. Each worm is also capable of acting like muscle, giving them the ability to lift the heavey armor we see them in. As for piloting scarab, we see in a h3 MP map, they are directly inserted into the chassis of the sacrab

[severe gust]

Right. So if u got enough together to match the muscle mass of a Spartan, and insterted directly into the mjolnir armor, could they pilot it???

I’m pretty sure they could, since they would at that point, be matching a Spartan 2.

[terse lava]

I would say no, in that they are too big to properly fit in the armor as a gesalt being, and would lack the neural link needed that helps the armor work

[severe gust]

All right, but, they don’t have a neural link with a system that’s WAYYY bigger. Such as a scarab.

And they seem to pilot it just fine.

And again, together, those things can be really smart.

[versed helm]

They also lack key abilities spartans use
Like Spartan time (Connected to the suit via neutral link)
A Spartans single strongest attribute is their obnoxiously/nearly impossible reaction times/speeds since the suits can instantly input commands from the brain to the suit, so the suit moves before even your muscles receive a signal

At this point you may as well just give a normal Hunter an overshield since their normal armor is a lot more useful to them than Spartan armor

[severe gust]

All right, I guess that makes sense.

[terse lava]

The Lekgolo eels in scarab are purposely bound to the walker thaks to Covenant technology.

Its not that just slid right in

[severe gust]

Wait their eels????

I thought they were worms.

[terse lava]

Eels, worms, both terms have been used

[severe gust]

Oh.

[versed helm]

I mean you can't classify aliens by our animal metrics but individual lekgolo are enormous lol
Apparently Lekgolo just means "Assembly of snakes" lol

[terse lava]

Yep

[severe gust]

Huh.

Did not know that.

Wait, does that mean the banished have the same legolo tech for their own scarabs!!

[terse lava]

Thats out of lore, what the actual word means

Yes the Banished do

[versed helm]

My bad i meant the latin name Humanity gave the Lekgolo, that means 'assembly of snakes' lol

[terse lava]

Its noted the Lekgolo colonies within their scarabs don't last long, as the Banished scarabs are amped up in power

[severe gust]

How dare they treat my worm boys like that.

[ruby plover]

Yes you are correct

[severe gust]

I’ve always loved them.

[terse lava]

@versed helm tswana for "one hundred"

The Lekgolo are pretty interesting

[versed helm]

Brute noodles

[severe gust]

YEahhhh, noodle boys.

[terse lava]

Fun random fact, Lekgolo blood smells similar to fresh tar

[ruby plover]

Nice

[versed helm]

What do they taste like is what I wanna know

[noble elk]

I was just wondering

At the start of halo 3, when chief crash lands in the jungle, how long did he lay there until the arbiter and Johnson found him?

When the forerunner ship reached earth, johnson and arbiter were still on delta halo at that moment right?

Seems like it would take them both a while to get to earth and locate chief

[mighty perch]

i guess he must have been laying there for a bit

[unique rune]

Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter got back to Earth before the keyship reached Earth and 117 fell through the atmosphere.

[noble elk]

I see

[naive horizon]

the problem is that forerunners managed to kill them + precursors have an established resentment for them. also precursors can choose their form so any description is meaningless

precursors are established as being entirely killable

[tacit charm]

you should honestly be asking how did arby and gang get to earth before chief did

[naive horizon]

also if that's the case then that same logic applies to the flood wouldn't you say?

ok apparently cursing is bad

lmao

Nah but anyhow the story so far is very reminiscent of mendicant bias(cortana) vs offensive bias (the weapon)

a precursor being in the bunch wouldn't be out of line

[unique rune]

Killable or not, the Precursors were so far beyond even the Forerunners that no faction in the current period of the Halo universe would remotely begin to stand a chance against a single one of them.

[naive horizon]

the flood

literally just that

forerunner tech has been established as being able to kill one

the primordial was killed that way after all and even captured on plenty of occasions

the forerunners' whole story was about how they killed all the precursors

an ancient human and the isodidact did a pretty decent job against one

[cursive geode]

What’s the elites name that had a clan and was a very powerful elite and the prophets feared him because of the power that he has

[naive horizon]

Also there's a downed guardian in the gameplay showcase, the era of that tech was able to kill precursors, if that's something able to be destroyed then i don't see why a precursor couldn't be destroyed

besides if we started using this kind of logic, halo 4 shouldn't have been possible considering what kind of stuff the didact was capable of

halo's kind of about overcoming unbeatable odds

[naive horizon]

xytan jar wattinree

[cursive geode]

Thanks

[unique rune]

“Overcoming unbeatable odds” is one thing but you’d really be messing with any sense of power scaling in the universe if one man in relatively primitive power armor can reasonably challenge the closest thing Halo has to reality manipulating gods

[naive horizon]

again

the flood are precursors

[unique rune]

They’re a corrupted form of Precursor that never reached even a fraction of the Precursors’ power in the course of the games

The Flood outbreaks that get dealt with in the current time period in Halo never got bigger than a single Gravemind and usually were dealt with before even reaching that stage

[cursive geode]

I feel like elites are like samurai they fight with honor and they use the energy swords and their main weapons and wear armor that shows the ranks just like how samurai do when a samurai increases it’s rank his armor becomes more expensive and it shows how skilled the person in that armor can be just like how elites wear their armor

[burnt pulsar]

Yes they are definitely based off of samurai

[burnt pulsar]

You also forgot to mention that they always had some sort of civil war against each other like samurai

[cursive geode]

Oh yeah that’s right

[unique rune]

I get the feeling none of those traits are unique to samurai.

[humble yacht]

Halo legends strikes again, lol

Yes

[loud fjord]

Many nations throughout history have had swords, more ornate armor based on rank and honor obsession, the focus on swords wasn't even a samurai thing since they usually focused on using bows, the adoption of firearms is what caused the whole katana obsession as a romanticized view of the past.

[cursive geode]

And that is true I do look at it that way and elites can be compared to many things

[terse lava]

Heck, if anything the Sangheili are more in line with European knights than samurai.

[twilit linden]

Lol. I’ll stick with the Spartans and it’s lore in general

[untold wasp]

but they have the honor thing so maybe both mixed

[unique rune]

you say that like honor didn’t play a part in a variety of cultures

[halcyon raven]

lore that futuristic guns are trash

makes sense

[untold wasp]

oh ok

[humble yacht]

Saiyans love honor

[unique rune]

Dang, I can’t believe Sangheili culture was based on Dragonball

[humble yacht]

Dragons are kind of like Dinos

Flying Dinos

[terse lava]

Fire breathing flying dinos

[unique rune]

Publication order is a good way to start but you don’t really need to strictly follow it. A lot of the novels can be grouped together which gives you a number of good starting points.

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

[burnt wigeon]

@unique rune I'll check it out.
Thank you.

[sly hawk]

The flood HATE forerunners

[terse lava]

Well everyone hates the flood, so the feeling is mutual

[sly hawk]

but they hate them to the point that if metaphorically, the flood had a gun with 2 bullets. and they were in a room with the reclaimers, the forerunners, and the sanghelli. they'd shoot the forerunners twice

[burnt pulsar]

The flood would infect all of them not just kill the forunners

[sly hawk]

at an outbreak level maybe, but if a gravemind was around they would target the forerunners first. then the rest

[burnt pulsar]

Or are Dino’s land dragons

[burnt pulsar]

They would target all of them not just forunners as seen many times in Halo CE

[sly hawk]

there were no forerunners in CE though?

nor was there a gravemind

[burnt pulsar]

Sentinels they count as forunners as much as Prometheans do

[terse lava]

They really don't, they are just machines.

[sly hawk]

yeah no. those are constructs, the flood isn't stupid. they know even if they killed the sentinels they cant use them for biomass. however if i proper flesh and blood forerunner was around they would 100% focus it.

[terse lava]

I doubt they would these days, outside of possibly bring a bigger threat at that moment. The Precursors/Flood already got their revenge

[burnt pulsar]

If they could infect a forunner ship I think a small robot could be infected

[terse lava]

With the logic plague sure

That happened plenty during thr forerunner flood war

[burnt pulsar]

Not just that but the flood can infect non robotic vehicles

[sly hawk]

thats like saying they are gonna infect a gun.
a ship has onboard ai, thats infectable. a small robot does not have anything of significance

[burnt pulsar]

A robot has a built in AI

[terse lava]

As I said, they can infect a sentinels sure, but not in the same way as an organic or a vehicle

[burnt pulsar]

They could infect a gun just it can’t move so why would they do that

[terse lava]

You....you can't infect something like that, have an infected bring control it sure but not "infect" a gun

[burnt pulsar]

Also the flood would target someone with more knowledge anyways

[sly hawk]

a simplistic ai. theyd get as much use out of one as chief does, aka a sentinel beam, MAYBE some armor. but nothing of significance, a flood "infecting" anything none living is about that same as a marine picking up a weapon from the ground.

[burnt pulsar]

You could have flood biomass build around a gun

[sly hawk]

yeah, but they gain nothing from it is my point. its like light armor at most.

[humble yacht]

That would just ruin the gun

[terse lava]

Thats the same as an infected tentacle holding it, its just thr flood holding the gun

This is getting silly...

[humble yacht]

Gun no fire.

Y not?

Gunk in the barrel

[burnt pulsar]

And the flood could leave it broken making the gun useless and so any reclaimer couldn’t use it

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[terse lava]

What..just happened there Chim?

[humble yacht]

What do you mean?

[terse lava]

Right before the bot post, you had said something

Then thr bot post replaced it

[humble yacht]

I told the bot to tell him not to ping me

[terse lava]

Ah

[burnt pulsar]

But a sentinel has a lot of variants from the standard to the big one in H2

[humble yacht]

Bruh you did it again

[burnt pulsar]

Lol sorry

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[terse lava]

Heh

[burnt pulsar]

And also there is that one really big sentinel in HW2

[terse lava]

The retriever

[burnt pulsar]

Yea

[terse lava]

Still wish they kept the original strato-sentinel name on that one....

[burnt pulsar]

If the flood had infected enough sentinels they could make they’re own vehicles by using the sentinels

And maybe even infect a planet and make a keymind

[terse lava]

They had the numbers to not concern themselves with actually creating their own stuff

And the logic plague infected machines when needed

[burnt pulsar]

But if they needed a thicc sentinel they could make one

And also if the flood infected a guardian they could use its emp to shutdown enemy ships

Imagine if the flood infected a warden body too

[sly hawk]

Technically i guess? but why would the flood bother creating their own when they have the ability to commandeer others? That is their entire strategy.

[last anchor]

Well I mean, theres that weirdass hybrid from the Infinite Succor thats some kind of farm animal with a dozen MA5s molded into its arms so

Also, yeah, the Flood doesnt need machines. Everything living is theirs to command and twist as they need.

[sly hawk]

Thats some oni omega type stuff. yuvk

[last anchor]

They're like the Tyranids from 40k if the Tyranids were even more terrifying and faster acting.

[burnt pulsar]

If there is no stuff to command then they could make they’re own

[last anchor]

WHY

[sly hawk]

they literrly rather go dormant

[terse lava]

@last anchor thought that was more a mutated human, and the example did cross my mind yes, but its still just thr guns being merged into the biomass

[last anchor]

Whatever they twist is superior to anything the Forerunners could make.
Have you not witnessed the combat forms on Delta Halo?
I saw one of those things leap five stories into the air to come bash my skull in

Also sentinels...kinda suck.

All the ones in the Library get merc'd real easy by flood forms with plasma weapons.

[burnt pulsar]

Which variant?

[last anchor]

All of them.

They're ment to be rapidly deployed expendable combat drones.

[burnt pulsar]

Not the retriever that is one thicc boy

[last anchor]

Retreivers are rare

[terse lava]

Thick*

[last anchor]

We've never seen them outside the Ark.

[burnt pulsar]

Doesn’t mean the flood doesn’t have any

[last anchor]

Also, yes, thick. Please, if your going to try and convince us your idea has some viability, type correctly.

[burnt pulsar]

Two c’s are needed for that kinda thick

[last anchor]

No. They aren't.

[terse lava]

I figure thr halos do have some retrievers themselves, but only activated for massive repair

[last anchor]

Actually...in HW2 we're on 09 when we see the retreiver right?

[terse lava]

Such as we see in Primoridium

Yes

[last anchor]

That tracks then.

[terse lava]

So there ya go

[last anchor]

It probably got woken up cause the Banished and UNSC are just goin bonkers on the rings surface

"Oi! GET OFF ME LAWN"

[terse lava]

Funny how spark never bothered getting his

[burnt pulsar]

Then anders yeets a whole part of the ring into space

[last anchor]

Thats standard.

Spark did it with an entire 100 km section in one of the terminals.

07 sent bits of itself into the sun to make it around the wolf-planet in Primordium.

[terse lava]

Was it 100km?

[last anchor]

Im guessing

Its a pretty good sized chunk.

[terse lava]

Ok

True

[burnt pulsar]

Also why can’t spark just die already he’s returned from two halo rings exploding

[terse lava]

He's gone now

Though not dead

[burnt pulsar]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[terse lava]

Currently guarding a shield world

[burnt pulsar]

Ima get in my frigate and shoot him with a Mac round to make sure he’s gone for good

[terse lava]

Because he was once a human who was made into a monitor to save his life, and post halo 3 ended up helping some human scavengers

I like that they expanded him, it rounded out his character quite well

[burnt pulsar]

Ok then ima need two frigates

[burnt pulsar]

Other than the fact that he killed Johnson

[terse lava]

Least he has more personality than the chief

[burnt pulsar]

He needs to die because of Johnson

[terse lava]

In that regard, hes already dead

[burnt pulsar]

Ok then ima call the doomslayer to help me finish him in hell

[terse lava]

The "program" that was 343 Guilty Spark was killed by Chief. The mind of the human, Chakas, survived.

[twilit linden]

Gotta love the ancient human race for that part

[burnt pulsar]

Should’ve burnt the remains too

[terse lava]

Why? The program is gone

Only thing left of it are the memories Chakas can access

[burnt pulsar]

Then we need to delete them

Halo 6 343 this is how you end it by making chief fully wipe out any memory of spark

[terse lava]

You are weirdly obsessed with this aren't you

[burnt pulsar]

He killed Johnson that’s all I have to say

[terse lava]

Eh

[unique rune]

blame Bungie for lazily trying to up the stakes in Halo 3

[twilit linden]

I’m anxious to see where this is going to lead lol

[terse lava]

Johnson's death didn't really make me.feel sad, as it was kinda expected

[burnt pulsar]

Come on he was too iconic too kill off

[twilit linden]

Johnson did what he needed to do as a Soldier. Just like any other soldier would do

[terse lava]

^

[twilit linden]

Even if it meant dying to save someone or an entire race

Sounds like real history talk lmao

[burnt pulsar]

He didn’t really have to die for chief to kill spark and save the human race

[terse lava]

No reason to kill spark if Johnson didn't die

Anyway, its like Nova said, Bungie wanted to raise the stakes, and killed off Miranda and Johnson

[burnt pulsar]

Spark would’ve still been angry that they were trying to activate it and destroy the ring

[terse lava]

Thats on Spark for not offering another solution

[twilit linden]

It’s because of his programming

[burnt pulsar]

Why didn’t they just go with someone like lord hood or even Chief or Cortana

[twilit linden]

Oh I agree with you on that. Who knows why they did that to Johnson or Miranda

[burnt pulsar]

I mean if they wanted to end the halo trilogy then kill off Chief

[terse lava]

@burnt pulsar no one cares about Hood as he's more a background character.

[twilit linden]

Lord Hood isn’t really that much important though. Cortana yes. But not Hood. He’s only important for ONI & the UNSC

Lol exactly

[terse lava]

And Thel is spared because, he had actual character build up

[burnt pulsar]

But if you kill off lord hood who would take his place?

[valid hemlock]

The second on command proly

[burnt pulsar]

But that would change the whole flow of halo 3 still if you were to kill of Miranda how would that effect the bigger picture

It didn’t

[terse lava]

Neither would killing off Hood

No emotional weight there

[valid hemlock]

Let's keep it like that

[burnt pulsar]

If you were to kill him off the entire story would change due to him having a certain way of ship combat if he was gone someone that was much more aggressive could’ve taken his place

[sly hawk]

He's supposed to retire soon, also there are many other competent leaders.

[terse lava]

Also..he played absolutely no true role in the game

[twilit linden]

Watch they’ll “retire” chief at the age 60 or 61 years old

[terse lava]

Appeared for a few scenes, that's it

[burnt pulsar]

Yea letting chief deliver back the covenants bomb and also letting Miranda keys go to delta halo in H2

[sly hawk]

Cheif is literally already that old though

[twilit linden]

He’s in his mid to late 50s right now

[burnt pulsar]

If anything he’s gonna die in a fight

[fast terrace]

What about Arbiter will he be in Infinite

[twilit linden]

Exactly

[sly hawk]

Phyiscally, not date wise, he was in cryo alot.

[burnt pulsar]

No sadly

[burnt pulsar]

Nope date wise he’s 50 his physically age is In his 30s

[fast terrace]

Why

[burnt pulsar]

Idk

[terse lava]

@burnt pulsar that's nothing impressive, just a higher rank guy. As I said, there is no emotional weight to him dying compared to the others

[valid hemlock]

No lol, physically he's prolly on his 30's something around that

[twilit linden]

Can’t count cryosleep lol

[terse lava]

@fast terrace because this is a Spartan story, focused on thr Chief and your multi-player spartan

[burnt pulsar]

Also they already have two elites that play a big role

[twilit linden]

That’ll be the best ending is fighting to the death. It’s a Spartans life & a good way to go down into history

[terse lava]

Not seeing any big role for them in Infinite

[burnt pulsar]

I mean it kinda seems like Chief is soon gonna die just by how powerful the banished are

[terse lava]

Powerful?

[burnt pulsar]

Like in numbers and guns

[terse lava]

They are just pirates and mercenaries

With limited ships

[untold wasp]

the banished?

[twilit linden]

If that happens. 343 will probably pull a King Leonidas reference from Ancient Greece history with Chief

[burnt pulsar]

But they can take down most of the UNSC forces that were on the infinity just by looking at the trailers you can see that the banished have taken town many frigates and other ships on Zeta halo

[terse lava]

Not terribly impressive when the Covenant were able tonwipe out whole fleets and melt worlds

[untold wasp]

the covenant never was close to beat the banished

[burnt pulsar]

But could the covenant wipe out the banished no

[unique rune]

I mean, they probably could have if they cared.

[terse lava]

Easily

The Covenant was a vast empire, they are not going to focus on some little group of pirates

[unique rune]

HW2 plays up the Banished as some threat that the Covenant couldn't touch but in reality it's more just like they were just a mild thorn in their side.

[burnt pulsar]

Also many teams of assassins were sent to kill Atriox but he persuaded them

[terse lava]

The Banished were never a threat to the Covenant

[burnt pulsar]

At first no but as they kept growing they outlived them

[terse lava]

sigh this is why I hate Isabelle, hyping up the Banished as she did

[burnt pulsar]

I’m saying that the banished outlived the covenant and also the banished didn’t force species into joining them they hired them and some just joined them

[terse lava]

They kidnapped and bred Unggoy

[burnt pulsar]

Also unlike the covenant the banished have some human rebels in they’re side

[terse lava]

The Jiralhanae treated them as toys

Or ate them

[unique rune]

...The Banished only outlived the Covenant because the Covenant collapsed after their leadership was all killed off and most of them learned the central unifying thing of the empire was entirely wrong.

It's not because the Banished are more powerful or far reaching, they just got lucky things turned out the way they did.

[burnt pulsar]

Also the colony were on the banished side

[terse lava]

...and?

[burnt pulsar]

I know that but at this point they are as powerful as the covenant

[untold wasp]

the whole covenant did

[burnt pulsar]

And worse

[terse lava]

Indeed, but don't act like the Banished didn't

[unique rune]

at this point they are as powerful as the covenant
They really aren't, but okay.

[untold wasp]

ik they both did

[burnt pulsar]

They are basically napoleonic France right now and the covenant were the republic of France

[terse lava]

The Covenant was 3400 years old and had thr most powerful navy in thr known galaxy,, the Banished will never reach that level of power

Think more Roman Empire

[untold wasp]

i mean they lost to a guy in a green suit with strength 100

i am not saying the covenant was weak

[burnt pulsar]

Not really because Rome fell because of themselves the covenant fell because they’re leader was gone

[unique rune]

The Covenant fell because it was built on falsehoods and crippled by infighting

Not because the Jolly Green Giant shoots at them good

[terse lava]

Even with its fall, there are likely sections of the empire still intact, unaware of the schism

[burnt pulsar]

Rome fell because of barbarians so they are different

[terse lava]

Bungie themselves did compare the Covenant and the Jiralhanae to the Roman Empire and the Germanic tribes that besieged it

[burnt pulsar]

But a more accurate one would be the the crusaders they fought for they’re religion just like the covenant except they’re leaders fought for power exactly like the covenant

The pope didn’t care for his religion he just wanted power in those days

[burnt pulsar]

Also the Roman Empire was more graceful than the covenant they let people worship whoever they wanted

And also the covenant didn’t copy a previous religion like Rome did

[terse lava]

Just saying what Bungie said it all, as the Covenant don't really have a direct comparison to anything in human history

[burnt pulsar]

But the crusaders were probably the closest

[terse lava]

Likely

[wanton sail]

does halo involve politics?

[distant flicker]

The actual ring itself or the franchise as a whole?

[wanton sail]

both

[terse lava]

Well, the Halos were made due to a political battle between the Forerunner Builder rate and the Warrior-Servant rate

[wanton sail]

havent played any game yet

just asking

[misty pecan]

wait is the anubis set also made by the sangheili?

Anubis helmet description
"The ANUBIS is unusual in that its structural frame and core electronics are “grown” inside Sangheili assembly forges though final assembly and integration uses traditional fabrication techniques."

[wanton sail]

sry for all the trouble lol

[hardy vine]

Can someone give me a summary on the banished? Like who and what are they?

[humble yacht]

I recommend halopedia

https://www.halopedia.org/Banished

[unique rune]

It’s some kind of collaborative effort. The Halo 5 version of Anubis also mentions Sangheili tech being used in its construction.

[distant flicker]

Nah ur good

[unique oyster]

So I'm a complete noob as I just downloaded halo master chief collection. My question is what order do I play it in to understand the story

[gilded mason]

CE, 2, 3, ODST, Reach, 4

[untold wasp]

reach or ce first imo

[unique oyster]

I'm probably gonna play reach first

then ce

[twin zinc]

im planning on reading the halo novels, which one do i read first

[strong tinsel]

Id say ce first

[humble yacht]

CE isn’t a novel

[humble yacht]

Depends on what you want to read about

What do you like most about halo

[twin zinc]

i dont really know

i just love halo in general

[terse lava]

Release order of the novels works well enough

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[humble yacht]

There’s so many novels tho it might be better for them to focus their attention

No spoilers

[upper coyote]

How is that a spoiler???

it was just in the trailer

that just released??

[twin zinc]

just give the order in which they take place

[humble yacht]

You can look up a list of order on google

[twin zinc]

ive played all halos except halo 2

[humble yacht]

The earliest chronological books are the Forerunner trilogy

[twin zinc]

which i wateched a full length playthrough of

[upper coyote]

Chimera, how is that a spoiler?

[humble yacht]

If it’s in the trailer then fine but maybe take that topic to #485883236430512168 anyway since some people don’t watch trailers

[terse lava]

Sometimes I forget there even is a spoiler chat

[upper coyote]

Then I would ask that, that be put in the channel line.

Cause any person would guess trailers are ok to talk about

[versed helm]

I would really like it if Cortana can touch john 117 again like halo 4.

[burnt pulsar]

I would really like it if you were to rephrase that

[hardy vine]

Reach,ce,2,3,4

[versed helm]

[tacit charm]

[hearty peak]

🤨

[swift seal]

I am uncomfortable with the vibe we have created in the studio today

[fiery tartan]

ce,2,3,reach,4

[hearty peak]

Me who played the games in chronological order:

[versed helm]

I can only play them in release order

also I'm not really sure about any of this lore but you know how in reach Cortana is upgraded by or derived from or whatever from a forerunner artifact

Halsey goes on about how knowledge from it could be vital, but does it ever actually matter

like did it just make her a slightly better a.i or was it something more specific?

[gilded mason]

She is not.

She was simply studying a Forerunner artifact

[versed helm]

Ohh, that makes more sense i guess. Still, do her studies show anything important that we get to know about?

[gilded mason]

Ye, basically, the Forerunner ship she was studying had navigation data that she was decoding. After she finished, she paired it with other Forerunner map data from a Forerunner site a couple weeks earlier. Combined, they formed a slipspace path to Alpha Halo, which she had the Autumn travel to.

[versed helm]

ok thanks

[keen snow]

Yeah, halo reach and the books took a bit of squaring of the circle to figure out how they both fit into each other; halo cannon did a good video that got both all neatly lined up (it spoils the reach game and fall of reach pretty hard, along with a few other peices of halo media I think... so spoilers beware)

[noble sedge]

So

Alt unoverses are now canon

How do you all feel about the possibility that the existance of Lost Light crew is probably canon in a different universe?

[last anchor]

Lost Light?

[unique rune]

I assume they mean the Lost Light from IDW's Transformers comic series.

[humble yacht]

Bad spelling aside, what’s canon?

[safe agate]

Canon is what is "Official" in a story or franchise. For example, Star Wars Episodes 1-6 are canon in regards to Star Wars.

[gaunt oak]

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[humble yacht]

:/

That’s not what I meant

[safe agate]

My bad, only read that message not what was above lol

[humble yacht]

Why is someone saying alternate universes are canon?

[safe agate]

Because they can be thanks to marvel and such

They made it plausible for new worlds to exist within exisitng worlds

[humble yacht]

We’re talking about halo here

[safe agate]

Yeah I know, but I'm saying that since Marvel made it such a big thing to do

[humble yacht]

Maybe I should posit the question to the person who made the confusing statement

[safe agate]

Everyone's following suit

Like a trend

[humble yacht]

Cause you def aren’t helping, lol

[safe agate]

Lmao I'll just shut up

[humble yacht]

Whut you talking bout

[burnt pulsar]

Me who played the games in order of when I got them

[quick cairn]

Ooh, someone's poking the bear that is the Star Wars fanbase.

[gray sedge]

Star Wars Cannon is a complete mess (due to amount of time it had existed and the amount of retcons) I am a fan of Star Wars but you should not give it as an example of a cohesive cannon

[gray sedge]

I have called everyone I know and we are ready to barbecue him on a stick

The mission is in our hands now

[gray sedge]

Anyone have an interesting lore point to discuss

Oof

[terse lava]

multiverse theory as shown in Marvel and whatnot doesn't exist in halo

[gray sedge]

I agree

Until evidence says otherwise I won’t go out my way to assume a multiverse

[thorny falcon]

I mean fractures are technically Halo's multiverse though right?

[gray sedge]

True, but those are more of a multiplayer item gimmick and less of huge problem about sorting what piece of halo media belongs to what universe

[verbal star]

Theres a lady in my head who calls me stud muffin.

[gray sedge]

Heretic, These words are cursed

Prepare to die

[static notch]

Hey what's up guys, I'm looking for a video I saw a while back. I believe it was on YT, it touched up on Project Orion. It was like a movie, and it was cartoon as well. I can't find it anywhere.

Does someone know what I'm talking about? 🤔

[gray sedge]

Nope sorry man

[static notch]

🥲

No problem, thank you anyway. 😁

[dry mica]

I'm back baby

[dusky tide]

Cool The Orion & Mirage Armors are part of the Lore, Now Where does the Xbox & Nerf Weapon Skins Fit in?

[dry mica]

dude flaming armor isnt and neither is the samurai armor... I think its cool they had a promotion with nerf to make the skin lol. I bought the nerf shotgun for my kid and its just cool

[dusky tide]

Ok.

[dry mica]

I think I know just about all the lore and im going to ask, just because its not in there it cant be in the game?\

[dusky tide]

K

[quaint hearth]

How do Spartans eat without a face?

[unique rune]

sheer willpower

[terse lava]

It just phases into them

[swift seal]

They don’t

The feed off covenant fear

[burnt pulsar]

A spartan would be full after chasing one grunt alone

[swift seal]

Fr

A Spartan would be full after standing near a grunt

[burnt pulsar]

Actually a spartan would be full after blinking within 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles from a grunt

[swift seal]

A Spartan would never have to eat again immediately after their augments are finished, purely because of the covenants portrayal of them

[burnt pulsar]

All a human has to do is read about the chief and they would explode from being fed too much

[swift seal]

I’m just waiting for someone to yell at us for not talking about lore

[burnt pulsar]

Lol same

[twilit linden]

☠️

[versed helm]

what year in game was the gen 1 mark v recon armor distributed to spartan IIIs?

[verbal star]

I doubt anybody would do that Spartan

[burnt pulsar]

There is no ingame thing the games barely have anything to do with the lore and story it just is the main line of a family basically but to that question idk I used too know but when the halo content drought happened I forgot everything

[burnt pulsar]

Chief finally @versed helm wants to give you some hands

I told them that you are a supersoldier and you could break a concrete block in half but they wanted to fight you still

[versed helm]

Master chef prevented the smelly homeless cult from activating the onion ring in cooking evolved

[burnt pulsar]

And also gave a music composer a microwave with extra radiation

[tacit charm]

i mean ye possibly but halo is confirmed to have a multiverse of some kind as shown in the forerunner trilogy

[versed helm]

Killed or injured realllly bad.

[tacit charm]

no he outright just kills two

not intentionally ofc

[versed helm]

yeah, was self def

[hushed seal]

Controversial Opinion: Sgt. Stacker is more of a badass than Johnson is

[reef sleet]

whomegalul

[main lagoon]

Does everyone already know that in the halo 5 legendary ending it’s cortana humming her theme, pretty sure everyone knows that

[versed helm]

No, he was working out and something happened with the exercise equipment and the ODST guys thought they would rough him up. Per the book

[gilded mason]

You're both right. First they tried to rough him up, and after breaking one of their noses, they all got commanded to go to the boxing ring, where John killed two of them.

[versed helm]

Thanks 🙂, forgot that part

[gilded mason]

Seems like it, since it was orbiting a rocky planet.

?

[tacit charm]

because he knows

[gilded mason]

They are canon.

Well, they don't pay attention.

They're simply different phenotypes

Like how humans have different looks

For 4/5, those looks were decided to be used, even if not every member of a species would look exactly like it

In game, this is because it takes time and effort to make a bunch of different head models for Elites. So it is assumed many Elites look different from each other in actuality.

Just like Thel

Because using other models and getting them to function in games takes time. Time that could be better spent elsewhere

Not that easy, no

[tacit charm]

oh really

[gilded mason]

It's mainly through osmosis

[tacit charm]

what is the output of every mac

[gilded mason]

5

[versed helm]

Looking forward to the new encyclopedia coming out next year.

[tacit charm]

@versed helm oi

https://i.imgur.com/mmzkiNK.jpg

click on the link

[astral flax]

Question what does it mean when a planet is glassed like reach?

[fathom cloak]

im pretty sure its a form of covenant weaponry where they blast a planet with multiple strong cannons that eliminate all life from an area, making it look like glass in the process (hence the name “glassed”)

they can control how much of a planet is glassed as well, the covenant glassed half of the brutes’ planet to end their rebellion (im pretty sure)

[tacit charm]

burning dafaq out of a planet

though let me make this clear the cov cant actually glass an entire planet without investing a krapton of resources and/or time

[astral flax]

Ok thank you

[strong tinsel]

I think you mean grunts

[versed helm]

Would Oddball be considered as a sport in Halo lore?

[scarlet hinge]

Glassing is a term used to describe the process of plasma bombardment. Plasma is focused via use of gravitational lenses, then fired down upon a planetary surface. The prolonged bombardment vitrifies the soil and everything else on the ground, heating it up and rendering it akin to glass

[idle lintel]

guess it only affects the upper layer of a planet so it can be reverted maybe

[scarlet hinge]

pretty much - glassing takes a long time, so bombardment is mainly concentrated in areas of higher industrial/military importance

affected worlds can be effectively "de-glassed" over time, a lucrative industry in the postwar era which sees industry dig away at the glass in preparation for re-terraforming

the glass itself can usually be used in industrial applications

this subject in particular is dealt with a lot in HuntTheTruth and H5; there's some uncomfortable implications about the fact organisations like Liang-Dortmund and BXR are digging away at melted people and cities to sell on for profit

[vagrant lagoon]

Wouldn't it be cool if Jeff Steitzer was an actual character in universe? Like part of the UNSC or an AI or something?

[versed helm]

I never thought about the melted people thing. Ah jeez

Is it true that a lot of the gravemind's dialogue is famous poems

[humble yacht]

No

The gravemind just tends to speak in prose

[versed helm]

Johnson had natural regeneration from the Orion project do Spartans 2’s have that?

[gentle ore]

Technically he already is. His announcer voice is officially canonized in-universeas the War Games announcer for Spartan training ever since Halo 4 decided to fold multiplayer into the canon.

[vagrant lagoon]

So he's just like, some announcer guy for the Spartan games?

[scarlet hinge]

he is

[hardy vine]

If he want to understand the story easier, reach first. It’s like watching Star Wars prequels first

[scarlet hinge]

in Halo 4, if you go on the level shutdown and look at the computers in the starting area you can interact with them

[versed helm]

ive been playing the multyplayer beta for a while

and

[scarlet hinge]

and the Infinity's War Games AI tells you about upcoming war games matches

and it's Steitzer

[versed helm]

WEARING THE CHIEFS HELMET WHILE PLAYIG HALO 3

[scarlet hinge]

that was actually the intent in Halo 2 https://www.halopedia.org/Cut_Halo_2_weapons#Forerunner

[versed helm]

cool

[scarlet hinge]

halo 2 was in development hell for a long time

they cut more than they shipped

yeah

so that's pretty much it

they didn't have a particular reason beyond time

[onyx umbra]

yes

non that I know of

none

[twilit linden]

ODST was canon

[sullen ridge]

yes

games are all canon

[twilit linden]

Just the chronological order is messed up lol

[sullen ridge]

yes

[onyx umbra]

yea pretty much dont know if some of the shows are though

[sullen ridge]

nightfall is

all of em are canon

[twilit linden]

Nightfall. Forward Unto Dawn is canon

[onyx umbra]

ah ok

[sullen ridge]

odd one out in halo legends isn't canon

rest is

halo legends is a series

[onyx umbra]

oh did they say the floor will be in Infinite?

flood

[sullen ridge]

nothing said about flood in infinite

[onyx umbra]

damn bro

would be cool to see engineers again

[twilit linden]

You guys are making me jealous. Jk. Can’t wait for Infinite

[sullen ridge]

reach too

one more week

[onyx umbra]

can't wait for the story for the game

[sullen ridge]

ugghh

if you got a good network can cloud gaming if you got an Xbox controller

[twilit linden]

Lol

[versed helm]

Light Yagami vs UNSC/ONI?

[sullen ridge]

good luck knowing names

[spiral forge]

So far for the multi-player customization only the fracture event stuff is not canon, but what of the HCS stuff? Like the free coating and emblems and all that.

[humble yacht]

I don’t think those pro gaming teams exist in halo canon

[untold wasp]

Ya I don’t think there is time to do team battle against each other when there is a alien threat trying to destroy humanity

[gaunt tiger]

yes

[versed helm]

I hope not..

Did Jorge call dr Halsey mom?

[unique rune]

no

[humble yacht]

He said ma’am

[versed helm]

Ok

[versed helm]

Thanks

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[stable flower]

Jorge only sounds like he's saying mom because of his accent

[burnt pulsar]

Not just any accent but a British one

[burnt pulsar]

Big MAC

[strong tinsel]

B R I ' I S H

[wispy prawn]

What happened to mike from halo 3 ODSTs Sadie’s story I know Sadie and Virgil/quick to adjust went to Luna

[unique rune]

We dunno what happened with Mike after that. Hasn't even been mentioned in any new media since ODST.

[stable flower]

I don't think 343 wants to use him anymore

[unique oyster]

Is halo 5 on PC?

I want to know the complete story

Or is there a book on halo 5

[versed helm]

Halo 5's campaign is only on xbox. But you can read the story on Halopedia or watch a playthru on youtube

[stark fractal]

So it’s been established that grunts and jackals are used for biomass by the flood because they’re too small to be combat forms, but then the halo wars make it so they can be turned into combat forms which confuses me as to what the flood do with jackals and grunts

[unique rune]

It’s more of an “under normal circumstances Unggoy and Kig-Yar don’t get converted to combat forms” than it is an absolute rule.

Most of the time they’ll still be used for biomass, but if the Flood thinks it’s appropriate for whatever reason then they can still make use of them as combat forms.

[stable flower]

Halo Wars allows them to be infected for gameplay reasons. A lot of things in that game exist in it for gameplay reasons, like Jackals using the Carbine and Type-51 Beam Rifle, or the Ghost being in it despite not being encountered by humanity until 2532. The Spartans having shields was initially for that reason before 343 needlessly retconned them as being prototypes.

[bronze schooner]

Wonder if on Chief’s list of Spartan II’s, Red Team is still marked alive and not MIA even though they are MIA

[humble yacht]

You only mark someone Kia when their kill is confirmed

For the UNSC, all of SoF is listed as MIA

They just simply disappeared

[gilded mason]

Subtitles show he said "ma'am"

https://youtu.be/bIJtBMcf-lY?t=1864

[gaunt tiger]

ok nvm

[mellow moat]

Spartans never die, they're just missing in action. I dunno, it's likely they are listed as MIA though

[unique rune]

They sure wouldn't be listed as alive, considering the Spirit of Fire was designated lost with all hands in 2534.

[burnt pulsar]

Can a glassing beam Be fired horizontally or is it just vertically?

Because it would be really effective if the banished put a glassing beam on a scarab for AA purposes and also siege purposes

[unique rune]

The focus cannons mounted on Covenant excavators like the Scarab are essentially just small scale applications of the same tech as shipborne energy projectors, so...

[burnt pulsar]

Yes I knew that a scarab beam is a baby glassing one but can a full on glassing beam be fired horizontally

[unique rune]

I mean I feel like the bigger problem with sticking an energy projector on a Scarab is power supply, not whether or not it's able to fire at different angles.

[burnt pulsar]

Yea but the banished have plenty of power to go around since now they have control over Zeta halo and they used to have control over the lesser ark

But the only thing stopping them is UNSC remnants on Zeta halo

[unique rune]

...But how are they supposed to feed it into the Scarab without burning the thing out or just flat out causing it to explode?

[burnt pulsar]

Just by feeding it directly to the beam and also they could just make a giant projector anyways that could withstand the power also they could just get a ship with a glassing projector still intact and put it on its side

[unique rune]

A Scarab is like 3% of the size of a CCS-class battlecruiser, and you're trying to mount a cannon larger than the Scarab itself onto the walker, and then supply it with enough energy to power a battlecruiser?

[burnt pulsar]

If you enlarge the scarab it could work

[unique rune]

Enlarge it by like 3000%, sure, but at that point why are you even bothering with a Scarab?

[burnt pulsar]

It’s the closest thing to a walker with a glassing projector

[unique rune]

You have warships in orbit capable of using their own energy projectors, and the Scarab's own focus cannon and anti-aircraft guns are going to be able to deal with most things on the ground.

There's nothing to be gained from trying to mount an energy projector to a Scarab. Trying to make any of it work would be a waste of time and the final result would be less functional than either a Scarab or warship individually.

[autumn shale]

So ancient humans were bigger and stronger than modern humans?

[chrome kettle]

I mean

Not bigger

But they could walk miles and miles without even having one drop of sweat on their forehead

They were most likely more dense, if you ask me, more stout than anything else

[bronze schooner]

If you turn the ship vertically, then yes

[tacit charm]

chad humans

[quaint hearth]

Are humans and brutes the same?

[gilded mason]

They are not.

[humble yacht]

He knows

[gilded mason]

I figured he was asking if they had a common ancestor or something. Seen people earnestly ask that before.

[quaint hearth]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Brutes kinda look like a relative to humans, and their technology is closer to humanity's than it is to the Covenant's.

[humble yacht]

I think you are too trusting, lol

[gilded mason]

Ha, told ya

Anyway, Brutes used to be more "bear"-like, in earlier games. With their inspirations being bears and rhinos

[humble yacht]

I’ve seen this guy’s posting habits before, I think it was bait

But w/e

[quaint hearth]

bruh it was a legit question

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[cedar surge]

Mendicant bias better be hinted at in halo infinite

[empty fable]

so im a newer fan but ive got a question about the spartans, between halo 2 and halo 4 master cheif doesnt remove his armour, this infers he didnt defect or urinate, do spartans 2s need too and what about food and energy(nurtients)

[fossil eagle]

Haruspis has been hired by 343 Industries as a community writer.
This is such happy news, but I can't help but grieve the loss of his blog.

[dense pulsar]

Iirc, they have stuff in their suits to help them with that

[empty fable]

yeah alright, makes sense, also whats the diffrnce between spartans 2s , 3s and 4s, i know that halsey child solderied the 2s but how are the 3 and 4 made?

[dense pulsar]

Spartan 2s are like the full product and consistently the best from what I can tell but the pool and success rate for making them is small and inconsistent because it takes years to actually train a spartan 2 from childhood and then you might lose them during the augmentation process

[gilded mason]

3s were 5 year old war orphans that were coerced into going into ONI's van. And then had the same stuff that was done to the 2s, but safer.

4s are all adult volunteers with safe but less effective augments

The armor makes up for it, though

[dense pulsar]

Spartan 3s are somewhat the same but they're younger and specifically are children orphaned by the covenant. They have a higher success rate but they're stuff is cheaper because making a Spartan 2 is wildly expensive so they focus more on tactics than really good augmentations

[gilded mason]

The 3s' augments are basically just as good as 2s', just cheaper thanks to a couple decades passing since the 2s augments.

The main expense was the Mjolnir armor, so most didn't get that

[dense pulsar]

Iirc, it costs millions for just one Spartan 2

Like hundreds of millions

I'll say the average cost is like 150 million for just one

The first class of Spartan 2s had like 33 people in it

It would cost 4.95 billion dollars to augment them all

[humble yacht]

Augmentations weren’t the pricy part

The armor was

The augmentations were just to make the Spartans able to use the armor

Without dying

One suit of MJOLNIR cost the same as a starship

[gilded mason]

Captain Rich's brows shot up. "I've never seen these figures before MJOLNIR suit construction, maintenance staff, and recent upgrades to their microfusion plants. Christ! You could build a new battle group for what Halsey is spending."

[dense pulsar]

It costs the gdp of a small country to outfit a single class of Spartans atleast with the armor

[humble yacht]

So the “cheapness” of the spartan 3s came from the spi armor, not the augmentations

[dense pulsar]

I think the real question is if the price tag was worth it

You at the very least get Master Chief out of it but from what I can tell, his success is chulked up to forerunner technology magic in lore

[humble yacht]

Not really

He has protag power, when it comes down to it

[dense pulsar]

I mean, at the end of the day, humanity didn't get wiped out but things were looking iffy

[empty fable]

ok next question why were the first ones 2's were there 1's

[tacit charm]

johnson was a giga 1

[gilded mason]

Project Orion was retroactively called the Spartan 1 Project in-universe

[tacit charm]

btw neat pfp ostral

[gilded mason]

thank

[empty fable]

and halo infinite will take place on the halo at the end of 5 right?

[gilded mason]

Yeah. Zeta Halo.

[tacit charm]

i could answer that for you

oh nvm

thought it was spoilers

[gilded mason]

lol

[empty fable]

naw

[gray sedge]

Santa elite lol

[tacit charm]

Selite

[gilded mason]

Yeh, he's in the Christmas spirit

[empty fable]

i played alot of 5 i dint know the story and watched a vid on the whole story

[tacit charm]

ok then

whats the domain and how did cortana come back

[gray sedge]

Jingle bells, jingle bells, shoot plasma all the way, oh what fun it is to ride on a pile of dead bodies

[gray sedge]

343 killed off Cortana then didn’t

No other explaining needed

[empty fable]

i still dont fully understand alot of things hence im talking in the channell

cortana is a bad guy now though

coz she like took over most ais and the guardians

[swift seal]

UNSC Spirit of Christmas

[cedar surge]

Ngl i feel like they shouldve kept cortana out of the picture for a while longer and use the didact for halo 5

[empty fable]

yeah

what is he conformed dead yet or not

[cedar surge]

No

The didact has been "contained"

When you defeat the didact in halo 4 he doesntactually die

[empty fable]

who is "containing'' him?

[cedar surge]

He falls into the slipspace rupture under the composer

He gets sent to gamma halo

The composors forge

He fights with blue tean and stuff

[empty fable]

where is the zeta halo is that like a halo ring

[cedar surge]

He and the chief end up in the halos control room

@empty fable lemme finish 1st

[empty fable]

aight

[cedar surge]

They fight over the rings activation index

Since chief was naking the didact think he would fire the ring to kill the didact

Then the monitor of the ring

Ejects rhe control room

Teleporting the chief out

And causinf rhe control room to crash into the composors forge

And the didact getting composed by the composors there

So hes not dead

Hes just contained for now

And hes probably in the domain somwehre

[cedar surge]

What

I dont understand

Zeta halo is one of the original halos that were made during the forerunner flood war

[wet flume]

does master chiefs suit really jerk him off when in stressful situations?

[cedar surge]

._.

Mate tf

[sullen ridge]

nothing said about that

and why

[wet flume]

bruh anseer the question

[sullen ridge]

look it up

[wet flume]

is it cannon

idk if its cannon

[cedar surge]

Ur weird mate

[sullen ridge]

no

[wet flume]

oh

[cedar surge]

Abt what

[unique rune]

it's not canon and any book pages that mention it are fake

[sullen ridge]

this

about this lol

[cedar surge]

Oh

Yeah no thars wird

Thats weird

Mate

[sullen ridge]

these the same people asking whether spartans getting laid too

[cedar surge]

I will be furious

If there isnt any mention of mendicant bias or the primodial

In halo infinite

[cedar surge]

Uh huh

[sullen ridge]

a wall carving that's just cussing out Faber

[cedar surge]

Eh

Maybe

[sullen ridge]

some remnants of the ancient humans that lived on zeta maybe

[cedar surge]

But im interested in that conversation the ancilla and precursor had for those 43 years

[sullen ridge]

that would be very interesting to know about

[cedar surge]

Granted the chances of that happening are slim

[cedar surge]

At some point tho the chief should "die"

[dense pulsar]

What does a Cortana controlled universe look like

[cedar surge]

I have 0 idea

Cortana probably has the logic plague so idk

[gilded mason]

She does not.

She's just rampant

[cedar surge]

Dude

Its history repeating itseld

Itself

[sullen ridge]

it's not really

Cortana isn't in a state like mendicant was

[gilded mason]

And the short story "Human Weakness", which detailed Cortana's time with Gravemind, shows she never got the logic plague.

[cedar surge]

Im kinda seeing a scenario where the flood comeback

[sullen ridge]

Cortana was deteriorating and those rampant fragments that were on mantle's approach got to the domain and then she got that janky God complex

[dense pulsar]

Is the goal to kill organic life, subjugate it and make them too busy working so they're not fighting or what?

[cedar surge]

@sullen ridge ok

[sullen ridge]

police them

[cedar surge]

Yep

[sullen ridge]

guardians can emp entire worlds

[cedar surge]

But the halo infinite opening cutscene tho

Man

Like the actual 1st cutscene

Has me on my toes

@sullen ridge ngl tho halo 6 better deliver

[sullen ridge]

might have to go spoiler chat for it

[cedar surge]

Considering how bad halo 5 was lacking in story wise

Ik

Thats why im not saying what happens

[swift seal]

So is the "real" Cortana (the one we interact with in the trilogy) dead?

[bleak plinth]

No since she is purple and as u can see in the videos she is clearly alive

[stable flower]

If she was then that would be disappointing

[sullen ridge]

if you also watched that trailer ||it was clearly a flashback to a moment that happened between chief and Cortana like the flashback where Halsey gave him Cortana||

[bleak plinth]

ye

[warm ice]

hey i have a qiustion (sorry for my einglish i dont speak einglish) with the samuri event thing i only had there chalnges to complete is that a bug?

[gray sedge]

Wrong channel mate

[warm ice]

oh sorry im new

[sullen ridge]

there were enough challenges for 7 ranks

[naive horizon]

do you fellas believe the flood will return?

cause considering the ring's lore and the "going back to roots" thing

seems like it would be bad writing to not have them lmao

[gray sedge]

In a DLC probably

[naive horizon]

As long as it returns

because it would be dumb not to have them

[gray sedge]

True

[naive horizon]

but at the very least i hope we'll get to explore some flood research facilities/palace of pain

imagine the lore and audio logs etc

[gray sedge]

The only problem is the fact that the game is Rated T

And the main reason 1-3 were not rated T was the flood

[naive horizon]

it would be so damn amazing to for example hear the interrogation of the iso didact and the primordial

yeah the rating is worrying

weeeeelll

halo wars is actually rated t

and look at what's in it

[gray sedge]

You know what’s funny over here in the UK and EU the rating has been the same since the begging

[naive horizon]

so maybe not honestly

[gray sedge]

PEGI 16 (a T equivalent)

[unique rune]

If you ask me it'd be a poor writing decision to try and shove the Flood into the main campaign.
Don't need another faction that pretty much has no relevant stakes in this conflict to draw attention away from the two main antagonist groups.

[naive horizon]

the ring's lore though

also we're just seeing the trailer here

[gray sedge]

Flood would make a great DLC but the main campaign should focus on its antagonists

We have 10 years

[gray sedge]

Lore should not get in the way of Plot and Gameplay

[unique rune]

Yeah, as a side campaign I don't think it'd be terrible even if I still don't think it's a great idea.

But as far as the main campaign is concerned, I really don't want the Flood to just be hamfistedly worked into the UNSC/Banished/Harbinger conflict.

[naive horizon]

hasn't that always been the case though?

truth and the flood for example

the main focus was stopping truth while the flood being a massive issue aswell

[gray sedge]

Flood was always the secondary antagonist

But we already have a secondary antagonist in the form of the Harbinger

[naive horizon]

Yeah so in this case i really doubt it would change any of the formula already established

well, again that would tie into what i said a while ago

you can fuse the harbinger and flood

aka the primordial and the flood

hatred of the forerunners and humanity idk

[unique rune]

I sure hope that doesn’t end up happening.

[naive horizon]

it's not really out of the question for me

well tbh there's already repeats of history

cortana (mendicant bias) the weapon (offensive bias)

on zeta halo

[gray sedge]

Flood would make a great horror DLC pack but they would confuse the main campaign if not down right

[naive horizon]

well we don't know the story

but you're right

[unique rune]

Parallels are all fun and good but I don’t enjoy the uninspired prospect of them just being “wow it’s exactly like a thing that happened before”.

[naive horizon]

it depends on how the story is structured

[gray sedge]

Infinite story is about reducing complexity and adding mystery

[naive horizon]

The main fear in CE was the covenant controlling halo because they were going to use it to destroy humanity

[gray sedge]

Yes and it works

[naive horizon]

the main fear in infinite is the banished controlling halo because they want to destroy humanity

[gray sedge]

Along with the flood as a secondary threat

[naive horizon]

again why would this not work here

it's the same structure

[gray sedge]

But the problem is the secondary threat is the Harbinger who is basically taking the place of the didact from 4

[naive horizon]

I have a feeling the trailers don't show what's really going on

atriox for example

[gray sedge]

I would enjoy the flood but they would have to work hard in order to make it work

[naive horizon]

i seriously doubt atriox is not in the game

[gray sedge]

Spoilers for game trailers/demos ||If they did actually just kill atriox off screen I would be angry||

[naive horizon]

that would be dumb

but no

i doubt it

he'll be back

i think they're saving him up

[gray sedge]

I mean it would waste a character

[naive horizon]

something in character for him would be escharem getting destroyed and then the flood being a threat

[gray sedge]

But he will be back probably

[naive horizon]

the one thing that would be in character for him there would be to focus on the flood instead of humans

cheesy i know but maybe we'd see an atriox and chief temporary alliance or cease fire

keeping him out of the spotlight as the main antagonist would make this work

[gray sedge]

Another thing I want to know is what happened to Arbiter

[naive horizon]

I think we might see something of him in infinite

[gray sedge]

By all assumptions he is dead in infinite along with Halsey and Lasky

[naive horizon]

either actually him or just his weapon

god a back to back scene again

imagine that

i'd go wild

[gray sedge]

As much as I would enjoy the return of these characters a lot of evidence points to them SPOILERS FROM GAME INFORMER ARTICLE || being killed in infinities destruction by a banished surprise attack||

[unique rune]

The Arbiter is probably still back on Sanghelios dealing with things there. I can't imagine why he'd go to Installation 07 with the UNSC.

[gray sedge]

Unlikely since most characters in the wider halo universe are Missing, Dead, or Status Unknown

Infinite appears to be a fairly standalone plot

[naive horizon]

read that book that came out after 5

his stuff is done

the civil war is over with and he even talked to chief about "fighting this new foe together"

at this point why WOULDN'T he

also buck reunited his old odst team

[unique rune]

Because the Created are on Sanghelios too?
He has his own problems to deal with on his home planet.

[naive horizon]

osiris is gone

[gray sedge]

|| if that is the case Arbiter is dead and that’s it, no way he survived infinity getting destroyed||

[naive horizon]

the created are done with remember

there's even a dead guardian

again what is there to beat

it's all done with

[gray sedge]

We can all accept Locke was brutally killed

And we all celebrated

[unique rune]

They're only dealt with because of whatever happened at 07 before Infinite's campaign. For all we know he stayed on Sanghelios while the UNSC went to 07.

[naive horizon]

and this makes it unlikely that he would show up because...?

you think they wouldn't ask questions on why it's done with?

i mean im not even saying it's going to be the case

just using simple logic

[gray sedge]

We would ask questions but my assumption is that we won’t learn of the status of most halo characters, and the ones we learn of are gonna be missing or dead

I would rather arbiters fate remain a mystery so he can be used again in lore

[naive horizon]

Arbiter dying off screen would be silly

and you know 343 don't want to risk angering fans that way again

they learned the hard way with 5

like with jul mdama's death

[gray sedge]

I would not mind a scene of self sacrifice or some cool way of going out

[unique rune]

I'm just not seeing any reason why he would go with the UNSC to Zeta Halo.
Even if they told him their plans to stop Cortana I could reasonably see him opting to stay and fight on his homeworld instead of risking everything for a plan that might not even work.

[naive horizon]

dead in a cutscene at the beginning

[gray sedge]

Or rookies death in a random book

[naive horizon]

ok again lemme quote

"now, as allies, i am confident we can face this new threat together once more."

he said this to chief

that's why he would

he said this after reminiscing about fighting alongside eachother in halo 3

what else can this mean

Halo: Bad blood

[unique rune]

That statement is vague enough that I really don't see it as "I will fight right by your side" and more just "you have my support".

[gray sedge]

||infinity being destroyed confirms the game will not start on a happy note in the slightest with, Halsey, Blue team, Osiris, Lasky, and possibly even Jun dead||

[naive horizon]

team osiris has been disbanded

[gray sedge]

Still its members exists

[naive horizon]

Buck and dare recruited old members from alpha 9

cept for rookie

rip rookie

AAAAAH

[gray sedge]

Rookie got a taste of boolet

[naive horizon]

are you fr

[stable flower]

Got a taste of the book more like it

[naive horizon]

some of these restricted words shock me

[gray sedge]

What is you opinion on Arbiter appearing in infinite’s main game or campaign

[naive horizon]

one of the big issues fans had with 5 is the lack of arbiter being used

i feel like a good thing to pay attention to is what the fans backlashed at and what 343 are changing

[gray sedge]

People would rather he not be used than sit sidelined to a new character

So I think he will be: Unused, Dead offscreen, or have a full appearance

Maybe even a DLC about his missions

[naive horizon]

Arbiter dlc fighting the flood

i'd pay for that

[gray sedge]

Most fans of Bungie halo would, and 343 halo fans wont be turned away by it

[naive horizon]

by the way arbiter's armor being changed in 5 doesn't make a lot of sense

it's like

a traditional armor being drastically changed

idk to me that seems weird considering how elites are obsessed with tradition and honor

[gray sedge]

Prob will be reverted

Like most art style changes

[unique rune]

It's a new set of armor meant to pay homage to traditional Arbiter and kaidon body armor. Not a modification of his Covenant-era Arbiter armor.

[gray sedge]

He could easily dust off his covenant era armour and wear it again with no lore penalty (343 can use whatever design they want and it would not mater)

[naive horizon]

tbh it's not even covenant era

it looked like that before the covenant even arrived

[stable flower]

I'm doubtful honestly

[unique rune]

Anyway, I feel like the idea of Arbiter v Flood DLC would be pretty underwhelming in terms of storytelling potential.
Like one of the key things that makes Thel who he is is that he's willing and able to try and be a mediator and resolve things peacefully if he thinks his enemy can be redeemed.
The Flood just... doesn't really present that opportunity.

Feral stage Flood is pretty much just mindless space zombies and coordinated stage is pretty much unnegotiably evil.

If they really wanted to do something special with Thel I think it'd be far more appropriate to have him against Jega or some other Banished character.

[gray sedge]

Arbiter v jega DLC would be great but all sign point to him being killed in battle like all other banished bosses

[naive horizon]

oh right jega!

i somehow forgot about that

[gray sedge]

Jega is cool but will prob be killed by cheif

[naive horizon]

We'll see honestly

I should probably stop speculating too much

[gray sedge]

Main problem is chief lacks mercy

[naive horizon]

cause im building disappointment levels

there's no way the game could live up to that

[gray solstice]

People's issues walking into games is setting super high and usually kinda unrealistic story expectations

[naive horizon]

Yeah

[gray solstice]

then being upset it doesn't go to the letter

[naive horizon]

im noticing that in myself

[gray solstice]

mans just tried to post a twitch link

[naive horizon]

Well at the very least, i want to explore some palace of pain

i'm sure that'll have to be there

the flood have a low chance of appearing but we'll probably see some flood lore tied to zeta halo

[gray solstice]

I mean, we may see like DLC content based around the flood tbh

[naive horizon]

awakening the nightmare type of deal

that kinda ruins it though

having the marketing based on the flood is kinda meh

one of the fun parts of the flood is the surprise

my ideal scenario is the CE style introduction

ties in pretty well with the whole mystery aspect too

the atmosphere in that level was off the charts

having a level like that in infinite and for example having an infected spartan boss would be chill

also have you read that lore on how the unsc and elites contained flood on zeta halo years prior to infinite?

that just confirms that they're on the ring in some capacity

oh damn and it's the swords of sanghelios that did it @unique rune