lore-and-universe

[snow hill]

So… forerunners am I right?

[fair hazel]

Yes, since 9 days ago

[humble yacht]

good thing this channel is (mostly) well behaved, I can ignore it and avoid spoilers

[sullen ridge]

has there actually been an actual date for the rubicon protocol outside of the somewhere in 2022 one

[upper cradle]

I wonder just how extensive our cooperation with the Sangheili has gone. I know refugee camps exist on Earth (for some reason) where Elites and Jackals both live

[glad flint]

I saw Halo book talk and was instantly reminded of polygons synopsis of every halo book https://youtu.be/WEWEdIcx1DI

[gilded mason]

SoS and UEG scientists work together to research, create new tech, etc., joint SoS-UNSC groups drive out piracy and stuff from systems, the SoS is going around reconnecting worlds lost during the war back into the UEG, and they even live and learn together on some colonies.

[upper cradle]

Ahhh figured, thank you muchies

[sullen ridge]

that one sangheili controlled planet that went poof

[gray sedge]

Hey guys if Human were able to join the covenant, what rank and role do you think they would take

I am interested to see people’s opinions on this

[keen snow]

If you toss aside the whole reason why the Covenant was more happy to turn all our stuff into radioactive glass, it probally would be in the lower castes, probally a mix of administration and cannon fodder soldiers a bit above the grunts. We weren't on a world absolutely littered with forruner junk like Elites, and we weren't desperate like the Brutes were when the covenant rescued them from their nuked world... so we wouldn't exactly join willingly, as if the insurrectionists were unhappy with the UEG... they'd be pretty freaking livid about being absorbed into a massive empire with a state religion

[upper cradle]

Probably nothing but menial work.

[gray sedge]

I think we would be above grunts and jackals but below elites and brutes

Jackals are tall but incredibly skinny

[keen snow]

at least above the grunts, we're taller than them and somewhat less cowardly

[gray sedge]

Jackals are greedy and cowardly, grunts are basically a slave race

Despite not much physical combat ability a human would have the respect of elites and maybe even brutes

Due to a high level of intelligence (jackals are shown to not be the brightest and brutes have a short temper)

I fell like most humans would be working in science or engineering rather than frontline combat

[unique rune]

Humanity would probably just get wedged between Kig-Yar and Jiralhanae for the sole purpose of being useful when activating Forerunner doohickeys

[stable flower]

Jackals are a race known for piracy

[gray sedge]

A main factor in rank is the respect elites have for a race

Humans have concepts like honour, faith, and respect

Many things that elites would find admirable

[unique rune]

I mean I imagine that would probably depend on what point humanity were to be absorbed into the Covenant

[gray sedge]

The only problems stopping humans accent to high ranks like brutes and elites is Physical Strength and The fact we are quite rebellious and humans revolts would happen

[gray sedge]

True

[gilded mason]

The fact we are quite rebellious and humans revolts would happen
That's not really unique to humans

[hot galleon]

Question anyone know the full lore of Halo?

[unique rune]

Halopedia knows most of it
go check that

[hot galleon]

Bettt

Thx mate

[gray sedge]

But still could be a threat to potential covenant ranking

The main problem is physical strength

[unique rune]

Well I mean

vague gesturing towards Unggoy rebellions

[gray sedge]

(Technological advancements ain’t a problem since brutes were in the Stone Age due to a nuking)

[gray sedge]

Unggoy have no respect

[gilded mason]

It's completely possible humans might simply become a fringe species

[sullen ridge]

nuked themselves into the stone age a few times

[gilded mason]

They pay their taxes to the Covenant and get largely left alone

[sullen ridge]

and unggoy do have respect

just as they aren't really all that dumb as they seem to be

[gray sedge]

Just very little since they are practically slaves

[sullen ridge]

just that the covenant treated them so bad they didn't really respect them that much

yeah

[grim marten]

What was up with the elites in halo 4/5? I heard they were classified a pirates. Is that true?

[gilded mason]

They were part of Jul's Covenant

A post-war faction that calls themselves "The Covenant"

[gray sedge]

And the only roles humans would see in the covenant military (the only thing an unmodified human can do a fist fight with is a grunt or maybe a jackal) is tacticians and field engineers

[gilded mason]

Probably, yeah

[gray sedge]

They are elites who are loyal to a warlord

[gray sedge]

Again this scenario would only ever happen if the prophets never talked to mendicant bias

[grim marten]

Okay that makes more sense now that I have some more information on it

[gilded mason]

the only thing an unmodified human can do a fist fight with is a grunt or maybe a jackal
And probably not. Grunts can rip the arms off of Spartans, and jackals have shown extreme strength before.

[gray sedge]

Jackals (except skirmishers) are extremely skinny and lanky, and despite having the strength very few grunts know how to fight and use their strength

[gusty star]

Yeah they aren’t, just most of the ones in the games are like 8 years old

[unique rune]

I mean, just because they’re skinny doesn’t mean they’re weak

[gilded mason]

Jackals (except skirmishers) are extremely skinny and lanky
We still literally see jackals bat aside 500 lb objects like it was nothing

[unique rune]

You see a Jackal tackle and kill ONI seccurity personnel first hand in Halo 4’s campaign

[gray sedge]

The physical strength of a jackal really depends on what devs and writers feel like, sometimes they are tough and nails and and time they can’t fight in hand to hand

[gilded mason]

And a book talks about a civilian's encounter with one. It grasped her arm so hard it was crushing her bone

[gray sedge]

So despite being malnourished jackals can crush bone

Wonder how strong they would be if they eat

[gilded mason]

Who says jackals are malnourished?

[gray sedge]

Or maybe they physically can’t put weight on

Again a human could beat a drone in combat but they lack a skeleton

And engineers are harmless

[unique rune]

I’m… pretty sure a human would struggle to beat a Yanme’e in combat. Punching would probably do very little against their exoskeletons.

[gray sedge]

But Spartans (lets say humans join covenant after spartan II creation) would have full respect by covenant

[gray sedge]

Depends on thickness

Which we don’t know

It is hard to gauge how humans would do in covenant

[gusty star]

Are you just making stuff up

[gray sedge]

I was commenting on appearance

[unique rune]

Their exoskeletons are heavy enough to limit flight in low gravity and low atmospheric density. So I’m gonna go with them being pretty tough.

[gray sedge]

But again hand to hand is not how most military forces fight

The main weakness in the war was technology

[gilded mason]

Wasn't your point physical prowess?

[gray sedge]

It was

[unique rune]

So now we’re getting into “flying enemy with built-in body armor and a plasma gun” versus “man with rifle that shoots boolet”.

In which case Yanme’e still wins.

[upper cradle]

Well, apply more boolet.

[gray sedge]

I said that’s the main limitation since ritual combat and militaristic culture are integral to both brutes and elites

[gray sedge]

The thing that would determine human ability in covenant forces is if they can wield covenant weapon and armour (or maybe design new weapons and armour with better technologies)

Culturally they would be limited due to lack of ability to win ritual hand to hand combat

[gray sedge]

We see humans take out buggers frequently on games so I doubt the exo-skeleton is bulletproof

[upper cradle]

Well, the games are different from author-made books.

Since gameplay and code translate differently than full on writing something.

[gray sedge]

Games are still a part of lore

And humans talk about shooting them

[unique rune]

Games are fudged for the purpose of making gameplay actually fun

[upper cradle]

Yeah, the games 'gameplay' should not be a solid stone to set a point of view from.

Since it constantly changes game to game.

[gray sedge]

Also in terms of physics buggers could not fly if they were bulletproof

[unique rune]

Their exoskeletons aren’t gonna be bulletproof but they’ll probably take a bullet better than human flesh tends to handle blobs of plasma

[stable flower]

Getting shot with a single plasma bolt is said to easily incapacitate a human

[unique rune]

Also in terms of physics buggers could not fly if they were bulletproof
They use antigrav pods to fly because they’re too heavy to fly naturally. Physics is irrelevant

[gray sedge]

Getting shot with a single bullet will incapacitate most

You forget how powerful a bullet is

[stable flower]

Yeah, especially the calibers the UNSC use

[gray sedge]

A single well placed shot can kill and most shots not on limbs will at least incapacitate

[sullen ridge]

anti material rounds in a sniper

why not

[gray sedge]

Like I mean if we assume the exoskeletons are made of chitin like on earth it will be easy to shoot through

[gilded mason]

The earlier discussion does make me wonder about what sorts of things Halsey could get up to with the Covenant's technology backing her. Possibly after her "greasing the wheels" with a San'Shyuum minister or something.

[gray sedge]

Not just Halsey most human scientists and engineers would make tons of new inventions with covenant tech

[upper cradle]

I wonder if we're downplaying Human adrenaline

[gray sedge]

True

[upper cradle]

A shot to an arm won't incapacitate you, it'll simply remove that arm from your ability to use.

But you'll still be walking.

[unique rune]

I just assume Covenant client species would have similar biological systems and make that factor irrelevant for comparison

[gray sedge]

And human under effects of adrenaline can do amazing feats of strength

[gilded mason]

Issue is more that San'Shyuum don't like people making unsanctioned tech, as even Elites have advanced scientists.

[unique rune]

Humans are physically pathetic compared to Covenant client species on average

[upper cradle]

Humans are physically pathetic, but we're stupidly stubborn

[gilded mason]

Not unique to humans

[upper cradle]

It's still a trait, dont disregard it

[gray sedge]

But mentally they are in a high regard (grunts barley use their intellect, brutes have a very short temper, jackals are often greedy cowards, buggers are bugs

Grunts are smart

Just don’t use it

[sullen ridge]

not allowed to *

they keep them dumb

since they are supposed to be cannon fodder

[gray sedge]

And are socially conditioned to not act on moments of intelligence

[sullen ridge]

they can easily learn multiple human languages are for a large part knowledgeable about sangheili common

[gray sedge]

They are quick learning but their use as slaves outweighs the benefits of allowing them to be smart

[sullen ridge]

keep them dumb and throw them at anything a few million at a time

they breed like rodents anyways

[gray sedge]

Humans ain’t good slaves due to our slow breeding

So we would have a chance

[stable flower]

Does Halsey know about the Flood?

[sullen ridge]

humans would have a pretty good place in the covenant really weren't it for the whole genocide

[unique rune]

Yes

[sullen ridge]

yes Halsey will 100% know

[unique rune]

She knew

[sullen ridge]

the flood been on earth already too

[unique rune]

What with the report on Flood immunity and Johnson ‘n all

[sullen ridge]

they sent teams to other rings as well

to check up on things

[gray sedge]

I could imagine them as a set of Engineers, Scientists, Military Tacticians, and (in the case of Spartans and ODST’s) a special forces solider (Spartans rival elites and brutes in strength)

[sullen ridge]

a spartan can take on a chieftain one on one

high ranking elites too

they are at least on par

ODST's are nothing to scoff at either

[gray sedge]

Like an elite spec ops commander would rather take a squad of ODST’s than a squad of grunts in my opinion

Grunts are often cowardly and small, jackals just want paid

Spec ops elites would love to have ODST or maybe even basic marine teams if you take in mentality

[sullen ridge]

so i was going through things again on halo 5 for a legendary coop run and the ending really is zeta

[gray sedge]

So in your opinion what comes first in cannon; books or games

[sullen ridge]

games go first

books after games

books are to fleshen out game stuff

and add some new stuff too

spin-offs are nice too

but sadly not stuff we're likely to see in the games

[gray sedge]

The only problem with the games is gameplay often makes exceptions to lore for fun but that happens in every game series

Yeah games come first

[gilded mason]

Also, making books beholden to games just makes the universe stagnant.

[stable flower]

BTW getting shot with a Spiker is hella painful

As seen in Landfall

[gray sedge]

But the problem is in book lore Halo 3: ODST could never happen

[valid hemlock]

Getting shot is pretty painful on its own

[gray sedge]

Every brute weapon is a war crime

I mean who here has hope that in halo lore rookie killed several brutes

I mean ODSTs are not to be laughed at

And in the game you mainly encounter low level brutes

[unique rune]

I prefer to think he only took out a couple and spent most of the night sneaking around them because he’d be smart enough to know that taking on a Jiralhanae is a pretty bad idea for an unaugmented human

[sullen ridge]

mean they can also damage a spartan pretty badly

[gray sedge]

I mean canonically The Rookie uses silenced weapons

He would easily fight brute patrols from the shadows

[unique rune]

Sound suppressed weapons are realistically still super loud

[gray sedge]

But we are talking about 2552

[unique rune]

He’s not gonna be silently killing anyone even with them

[sullen ridge]

you think that silencers have at least improved 500 years into the future

[unique rune]

400 of those years were spent in relative peace with little need for advancement in weapons tech

[stable flower]

UNSC still uses 20th-century cartridges 500 years into the future xD

[upper cradle]

The Rookie moves like a real G, just like lasagna.

[sullen ridge]

ehh

[stable flower]

Remember the Inner Colony Wars?

[sullen ridge]

rainforest wars

[gray sedge]

Inter-planetary Wars

[sullen ridge]

altho only lasting 8 months

really humanity is humanity

don't expect too much peace

[gray sedge]

All these wars happened in a century or two

[upper cradle]

Also we do have the 'if it aint broke, dont fix it' mentality. So thats why we've been using familiar ammunition types. It just...works

[gray sedge]

Silenced tech will have at least advanced to a decent level

[stable flower]

Also they're still using the M319 after nearly 300 years

[sullen ridge]

Jovian Moons campaign
rainforest wars
mars campaign
interplanetary war
inner colony wars
insurrection

[gray sedge]

Because stealth is always an advantage

[gray sedge]

All these wars had guerrilla aspects so sickening tech will have advanced in them

Cartridges not advancing has an easily explanation

When you set up your supply chains to interplanetary and eventually interstellar distances

Updating a supply chain is very hard

[sullen ridge]

scorpion been introduced in 2218

[gray sedge]

So creating new projectile for old cartridges is easy since most weapons will still fire the basic un-upgraded cartridges

[gray sedge]

Tank is tank

[sullen ridge]

tank beats everything

[gray sedge]

Like the scorpion holds its own against wraiths and banshees (the wraith is hardly a main battle tank) not only in gameplay but in cutscenes and dialog aswell

It is a case of it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[sullen ridge]

the wraith is mobile artillery

and yeah

it has been improved over the years

[upper cradle]

I still don't like the fact its only a 90mm cannon firing Sabot rounds (I guess just regular APDS and not APFSDS?)

But it does great against Covenant stuff so no issue really

[gray sedge]

The Covenant basically mills everything out of the same high strength alloy metal

[upper cradle]

Yee they do

[gray sedge]

Ships, Guns, Armour, vehicles, and more

[sullen ridge]

pretty sure unsc uses apfsds on most stuff

[gray sedge]

While the UNSC uses the best tool for the job on most cases

But the covenant is excused on the fact they have to arm way more than him out does

[upper cradle]

I'm not sure if the Scorpion does fire APDS, or APFSDS. Since the shell it fires has an explosive filler

Might be HEAT or APHE or something.

[sullen ridge]

apds doesn't have explosive filler either

[gray sedge]

The metal for grunt harnesses and pistols must take up a huge amount of high charity

[upper cradle]

Thats what I'm saying lol

[sullen ridge]

heat would make the most sense

maybe heat-fs

[upper cradle]

That is just HEAT yes

Its just fin stabilized

[gray sedge]

Despite the assault rifle being a peashooter in gameplay in lore it has full metal jacket AP rounds

[sullen ridge]

the answer being loaded with fmj aphe

[upper cradle]

Okay

So I found an answer

It fires Tungsten shells for anti-armor and Canister shells for anti-infantry

I don't know how Tungsten explodes so I'm gonna assume its something futurey

[sullen ridge]

but it still has explosive filler according to stacker and Johnson

[keen snow]

I allways figured that they need 7.62 on full auto just to chew through the sterner stuff a lot of the covenant is made up of

[burnt pulsar]

What have I missed

[sullen ridge]

7.62 fmj ap

[keen snow]

Same reason asteroids cause a big explosion when they hit something... they're moving at ludicrious speeds

[sullen ridge]

shrapnel

but it is said that scorpions still fire he

[upper cradle]

big explosion moment

[sullen ridge]

just shrapnel doesn't cause an explosion

[upper cradle]

So Tungsten rods with explosive filler lmao

[sullen ridge]

something along those lines

[upper cradle]

Wild

[burnt pulsar]

I mean there already is a sniper round that is explosive and made from tungsten IRL

[keen snow]

Cause sometimes you can't settle for ruining the bad guy's day, you have to wreck his week, month and everything else in a 5 meter radius

[upper cradle]

Yup

[sullen ridge]

HEIAPS?

[burnt pulsar]

Decade,century,and year

[sullen ridge]

raufoss .50 bmg ones?

[burnt pulsar]

Also gotta destroy the drip

[versed helm]

So what other Forerunner McGuffins could be buried on Earth besides the Portal at Voi and that weird Forerunner device we saw in I think Spartan Assault or Strike?

[burnt pulsar]

Don’t know the exact name watched a video of the sniper round in action though

[sullen ridge]

if it's about those they got a tungsten penetrator, they aren't fully tungsten

[keen snow]

Don't think too much, ancient humanity and the forerunners kind of hated each other's guts

[sullen ridge]

RADEN 30mm got APSE which is somewhat along those lines too

so the scorpion could be using armor piercing secondary effect shells

[burnt pulsar]

Yep and one sent the other into a prehistoric age

Of technology that is

[keen snow]

Or put on Zeta Halo... those poor saps would have been better off being nuked from orbit

[burnt pulsar]

And then the Ur diadact had to ruin humanity even more

[sullen ridge]

composer go brr

[burnt pulsar]

Or the rings firing

Also what’s the type of Frigate in one of the new infinite maps

[versed helm]

And speaking of the Ur-Didact, how could the Logic Plague work on organic beings?

[sullen ridge]

unknown but it's new

[burnt pulsar]

I mean it worked on the iso diadact too

Maybe the flood just like diadacts

[sullen ridge]

Panama has no designation as of yet

and it also has a completely new type of Mac as well

[burnt pulsar]

Yea I saw that it looks more like a rail gun than a MAC

[sullen ridge]

upgraded with forerunner tech

[keen snow]

That's the ship we've seen in infinite's multiplayer?

[burnt pulsar]

Also I wonder who is the Harbringer of the truth

[burnt pulsar]

Yes

[sullen ridge]

yes

[keen snow]

Neat

[burnt pulsar]

Isn’t that the same one that gets shot at but the AA cannon misses

[sullen ridge]

yep

that's the Panama as well

[burnt pulsar]

I don’t remember if they’re the same map

[sullen ridge]

not the same

[upper cradle]

Well, we don't know it is the Panama yet right? We can't get an angle to look at it properly ingame

[unique rune]

Nah, people have gone close up in theater or something

Both have Panama written on the hull

Though, weirdly, the model on Deadlock uses Halo Infinite's UNSC insignias while the model on Highpower uses H4/5 insignias.

[stable flower]

Would the Scarab be considered biopunk?

[unique rune]

I'm going to go with no

[upper cradle]

Ah, okay. I'm glad its a regular Frigate like the others before it

Such a beautiful design, but the center mounted MAC cannon kinda confuses me

[edgy radish]

Anyone have any theories on why Zeta Halo is such a mystery?

[sullen ridge]

Panama resembles Charon, paris and stalwart class ships but maybe the mac is not in the upper or lower boom for once

[sullen ridge]

could have a lot to do how it was an important setting during forerunner flood war

first of all it's one of the original 12 rings

it's where mendicant bias interrogated the primordial for half a century

ring also went missing for 43 years

[edgy radish]

Installation 00 is still active isn’t it?

[sullen ridge]

yes

the ark

it still works

[edgy radish]

Okay so more Halo rings can be made

I remember it being damaged, but I couldn’t remember to what extent

[upper cradle]

So long as the material world in the middle of it is intact, they can keep churning out rings

[sullen ridge]

zeta halo isn't so damaged that it's unusable

there's always a replacement kept in the forge at all time

so probably a new one being manufactured now since the one anders used took off

[edgy radish]

I need to be brought up to speed, I haven’t read any of the novels or comic books and I feel like I’m missing stuff

[upper cradle]

There's a lot of lore and side lore. What are you missing in particular? There's...so much to go over

[edgy radish]

I’m rusty on the Banished, never played the Halo Wars games, but I have an understanding of them

[upper cradle]

They only existed in Halo Wars 2

And now Halo Infinite

[sullen ridge]

banished started out as a splinter group who ended up not wanting to be a part of the covenant ideology anymore

eg with atriox who got tired of seeing other jiralhanae be sent into battle just to die

atriox himself was meant to die as well and not survive

untill the prophets sent out a squad to kill him

which of course got killed by atriox and other brutes

they raided covenant depots etc and used guerilla tactics

and became sort of a mercenary group that ended up growing too large for the covenant to handle

they ended up on the ark sometime around 2559

[edgy radish]

What year is the current Halo set?

[sullen ridge]

infinite is

may 2560

think it was may

March or may

[edgy radish]

Okay so the spirit of fire is still over the lesser Ark

Do we know what forces where at 07?

[sullen ridge]

August 2058

there were abt 4k unsc personnel

no idea how much engaged the banished over the ring

safe to say at least a battlegroup

maybe a fleet

of unsc

but they most likely got caught pants down in a 3 way conflict

[edgy radish]

I guess I need to understand why people are on 07

You said it went missing, but then just showed up?

[sullen ridge]

that was during the forerunner flood war

mendicant bias interrogated the primordial on zeta

back when it still was a 30000km ring

the interrogation lasted almost 50 years

[edgy radish]

So is it no longer a 30,000km ring? I don’t understand what you mean by that

[sullen ridge]

lemme explain rq

originally you had 12 rings

which were 30000km diameter

created on the greater ark

the greater ark being like installation 00 but even bigger

11 of those rings got destroyed

because if too much mass goes through slipspace at once accidents happen

the only surviving ring was installation 07

then afterwards 6 smaller rings got made which were deadlier

installation 07 got upgraded

[versed helm]

Is there seven rings? Isn't 2 destroyed

[burnt pulsar]

Alpha halo was destroyed

[sullen ridge]

alpha halo got destroyed

then replacement got destroyed

and the replacement for the replacement got taken by anders

[burnt pulsar]

Chief really be blowing up alpha halo’s

[sullen ridge]

can't do Johnson dirty

had to send him out with a bang

[burnt pulsar]

Also anyone know who that monitor in halo infinite’s campaign overview trailer is?

[burnt pulsar]

So alpha B and alpha C

[sullen ridge]

maybe despondent pyre

pyre got that 117 in it's serial number too

however i didn't see the monitor at all ngl

[versed helm]

It's that weird ball the skirmishers were trying to rip apart

[sullen ridge]

oooh

i c

with the skimmers

yeah

good chance it's pyre

tho nothing on how it looks

[keen snow]

and she yeeted that hula hoop into the wild blue yonder by the ark's ball of magical teleportation

[humble yacht]

She didn’t do that

The ark did it

That ring was leaving with or without Anders

[edgy radish]

Is Roland the only AI that didn’t submit to Cortona?

[gilded mason]

No

He's simply the only AI we spent time with so that we know his answer

[keen snow]

I haven't actually finished halo wars 2 yet, just know the human campaign ends with some hula hoop yeeting.

[edgy radish]

I know we still have Serina and Isabel on our side?

[gilded mason]

Serina's kinda dead

And I didn't include Isabel since I wasn't sure if she even knew about Cortana.

[edgy radish]

Oh yeah, she is gone huh

So Isabel and Roland lol

[humble yacht]

More than kinda

Lol

[burnt pulsar]

Yea she chose death herself

[stable flower]

Isabel knows about the Banished but doesn't know that Reach is glassed

[burnt pulsar]

No she would know about that because Reach being glassed was right before humans saw halo after the rings fired

[unique rune]

Isabel didn't even exist until 2556.
She probably knows about the fall of Reach considering it was a pretty big deal but it's arguably possible that it wasn't considered necessary information for her.

[keen snow]

Isabel would know about both, Serina would know about neither

[split heron]

@nocturne bridge @shrewd viper

so you were both saying

[nocturne bridge]

Halo kills living beings, flood needs living tissue to survive and spread. Kill all living beings and you stop the flood.

[split heron]

Gotcha

[nocturne bridge]

And then it got complicated.

But thats the point of the rings

[split heron]

Imagine being infected by the flood though

that would suck

[nocturne bridge]

Eh, theyre just zombies really.

Well, zombie hivemind

[split heron]

You didnt read the lore for Halo 2’s flood?

[gilded mason]

Issue is that if you get infected while a Gravemind around, your mind suffers in what's basically Hell for eternity.

[split heron]

The flood infects all living beings making them nearly immortal and also collecting others into a Hivemind which starts as a Gravemind i believe and the lower class infected feel pain and suffering until death

[nocturne bridge]

I did not read anything outside of the game and its story itself.

[split heron]

It’s like dead space without the gore!

[nocturne bridge]

Halo 1 had a proto gravemind

[split heron]

225 is about to prove me wrong im waiting

[shrewd viper]

The precursors were the creators of life in the galaxy. They created humanity and the forerunners, alone with other species. The two became super advanced and the precursors would hand the "mantle of responsibility" to humanity over the forerunners. Forerunners got mad and decided to genocide precursors. The few remaining precursors transformed into powder. Humanity eventually found this powder and tried to turn it back to a living thing and it instead turns into the flood. Humanity will now destroy any and every planet which has any sign of the flood on it, be it their own, forerunner, or anything else. The forerunners saw this as them trying to expand into their territory, so they go to war. The forerunners eventually win while exhausting much of their resources, but the flood still remain. The forerunners last resort to stop the flood was to wipe the galaxy clean of life and plant new life after. The halos did this

[split heron]

oh my god he wrote a small book

[nocturne bridge]

This is what I mean by "it got complicated"

[shrewd viper]

😂👍

[nocturne bridge]

And a little bit convoluted

[split heron]

I gotta give my man a double kill because my last 2 braincells have died

[nocturne bridge]

Ive been playing Halo since it came out and I cant keep up xD

[split heron]

same

[split heron]

everybody gangsta till the quiet kid at school hits a running riot

[nocturne bridge]

Rings bad, blow up rings 👍

[split heron]

Jewelry stores: HEY

[split heron]

kek

[runic locust]

Kurt death made me cry

[versed helm]

Halo 8 MasterChef is a car

[burnt pulsar]

You had brain cells?

[dreamy patio]

Hey could anyone give me a rundown of the jungle wars?

[runic locust]

Obama

[dreamy patio]

Obamna

[stable flower]

The UN, Koslovics and Friedens fought over ideological differences in the rainforests of South America and caused a famine.

[dreamy patio]

What are the second two factions?

[stable flower]

Space commies and space nazis respectively

[dreamy patio]

Heckin commies

Also, is the colony from Hw2 still a thing or did it die

I forgot

[unique rune]

Colony as in the Hunter pair?

[last anchor]

They're still leading the Banished Lekgolo as far as we can tell.

[versed helm]

explained it perfectly, great work : )

[tacit charm]

tl dr jealously bad and drugs bad

[stable flower]

Halo rings go BRRRRR!

[tacit charm]

that too

[burnt pulsar]

Wait till HiddenXperia joins this server

[burnt pulsar]

Huh sounds familiar

[stable flower]

That part of Halo lore is criminally underexplored

[split heron]

LMAO

[untold wasp]

lol

[tacit charm]

if you're talking about abola boy that guy writes some detailed response which is commendable but also annoying when you're trying to not fall asleep

[untold wasp]

i wonder who is the monitor going to be in infinite, since all the rings have the monitors

[unique rune]

Installation 07’s designated monitor is 117649 Despondent Pyre. They probably aren’t going to appear in Infinite’s campaign since they hadn’t made their presence known to humanity in previous exploration of the ring.

[stable flower]

Oh yeah, they were afraid of researchers finding them. Doctor Mann thinks he heard about what happened on Alpha and Zeta Halo so they don't want the same to happen to their ring.

[versed helm]

Why couldn't bungie let noble six live

[real cypress]

i feel like noble six dying really made the Spartans more human

[noble zenith]

Yep it also just showed how bad reach really was towards the end with all the dead Spartans around him

[tropic nacelle]

Other than the fact that the first few halos were already made without any reference to him, or the spartan 3's at all, it would have been difficult

[zenith epoch]

wasn't it that most to all of the Spartan 3's got wiped out on Reach?

[unique rune]

No

Most of Alpha Company was killed during Operation: PROMETHEUS
Most of Beta Company was killed in Operation: TORPEDO

Both of which took place several years before the fall of Reach

Gamma Company was still in training at Onyx at the time

[versed helm]

So from what I can surmise, the supposed "cure'' that ancient humanity developed during their war with both the Flood and Forerunners didn't really do anything but it gave the illusion that it worked

[gilded mason]

Yup

Or rather, the Flood themselves tricked everyone into thinking it worked.

[unique sand]

Yeah I was about to say that the gravemind at the time made that plan to make it so the forerunners thought the humans had a cure to stop the two forces from uniting

[versed helm]

Is it even possible for an ancient human to access the Domain?, like didn't one of the Forerunner Trilogy books describe the Domain as being somewhat lacking in ancient human knowledge?

[unique sand]

Ancient humans were poised to take the mantle of responsibility instead of the forerunners

It's what made the forerunners turn on the precursors and in a roundabout way create the flood in their anger

Ah I read that wrong

[versed helm]

Lets say that you were a Forerunner that was alive during the events of the Forerunner-Flood War and you had two options laid out before you, serve the Master Builder or ally with the Librarian

Which one would you choose?

[solar vale]

yes

[versed helm]

Personally, I'd go with the latter

[sullen ridge]

serina decomissioned herself a few years prior to hw 2 because she sent well over normal ai usage span and it caused some things to happen on the SoF

[lament hornet]

Serina was decommissioned in 2537 after 7 years of service, which is standard.
HW2 takes place in 2559.
Bit more than a few years, I'd say

[sullen ridge]

still that small flood outbreak happened because she didn’t properly act to destroy it

[lament hornet]

Absolutely. Due to her onset symptoms, she elected to wish to study the flood form as it infected Violeta Maldini. Eventually turned into a carrier form and used her knowledge of cryo codes to awaken more personel to infect. She snapped out of it just long enough to wake Anders and Jerome.

Very sad end, that's for sure.

[unique sand]

Master builder is the didact right? I'd side with him, giving up and suiciding the entire galaxy was extreme extreme

Like it was their last resort because they messed up the whole war (which is why humans should have got the mantle in the first place cough)

[sullen ridge]

no the master builder and the didact aren't the same

but Faber was also a huge prick

that they had in common

it was the master builder who had the rings created for their exact purpose

[unique sand]

Basically all the forerunners are dogwater

Human supremacy

[idle lintel]

lore time:3

happy lights

so basically the flood is the last precursor

[paper sinew]

just read past the keyes loop in fall of reach

i think im hooked

[idle lintel]

because what the forerunners did to them because they gave the mantle of responsibilities to humanity instead of them

its funny kinda

i also heard a stuff that Chief is the reincarnation of the same soul who activated the Halo rings

[misty dagger]

Hey so it's been a while since I've played the halo 5 campaign (and I'm not very active on social media) but if I remember correctly Cortana runs off with the Guardian and all the AI pledge their allegiance to her. Is there any news on if we'll be fighting these rogue AI or is infinite solely about the banished? or do we still not have this information yet?

[naive horizon]

343 debunked it

it was just guilty spark going rampant

[idle lintel]

yeah

rampancy is not possible for someone like guilty spark

[naive horizon]

but...it's literally part of his lore

[strong tinsel]

Mendicant also went rampant once

Thats sorta the reason offensive won

[edgy radish]

@sullen ridge was it ever explained why we never heard about the Banished until now?

@idle lintel any AI can go rampant according to lore

[weary orbit]

we've heard about them in halo wars 2

[edgy radish]

I guess I’ll allow it because it gives us a new enemy to fight 😂

[versed helm]

So I know Jeff Steitzer is a Wargames AI in Halo lore. I thought he was only on the Infinity. I assume every map in Infinite is set in the academy given how that's the primary setting in the multiplayer storyline. Did the academy somehow get a copy of that Wargames AI or was he transferred?

[upper cradle]

I'm not sure just how deep we have to think about that considering almost nothing lore-wise was really said

It seems the Academy doesn't really use live-fire simulations like Infinity did and uses regular Academy grounds or Zeta Halo to fight in

[unique rune]

If we ever get an answer it’ll probably just be a copy of the announcer AI, but I doubt it’s something that’ll ever get touched on.

[edgy radish]

That’s outside my knowledge, the Halo MP lore is always something I was behind on

[strong tinsel]

Who has the highest kill count in halo?

[upper cradle]

Master Chief and Noble Six?

[elder zodiac]

Most of six info was blacked out

[upper cradle]

If you're counting in a general sense probably the covenant with Billions of Human lives lost

[untold wasp]

i would say chief since he is older..?

[upper cradle]

I only count Six because they are both classified as Hyper-lethal vectors

[untold wasp]

ya

[upper cradle]

so getting up to that classification probably takes a lot of bodies

[elder zodiac]

Destroyed half of the arbiters fleet before the first halo. That alone would be enough.

[edgy radish]

I’m excited for Infinite, they say it’s a much more personal story and we’ll see a different side of John

I still can’t believe MS and 343 tried to push MC out of the spotlight in 5 🤦🏻‍♂️

[untold wasp]

it would of worked if it was like reach or odst type of thing

imo halo 5 had potential but dropped

[unique rune]

117’s and B312’s kill counts are probably pretty small compared to other things we’ve seen

Adm. Whitcomb and Lt. Haverson obliterated a Covenant fleet 500 ships strong
Gray Team destroyed the Sangheili colony of Glyke
Then there was that whole thing with Adm. Cole’s last stand at Psi Serpentis

[upper cradle]

Well, the question we were asked was kinda vague if im to be honest lmfao

Just that 'who has the highest kill count'

Without really giving a criteria as to who or what

[edgy radish]

I blame don mattrick for everything bad that has ever happened to Xbox

[untold wasp]

technically the highest kill count is the guy who ordered the firing of the halos

[edgy radish]

@untold wasp the biggest fault of Halo 5 was trying to push MC out and claiming for it to be the “biggest hunt in humanity’s” history

None of the marketing for Halo 5 added up and it almost felt like it was offering us a different game than what we got

That was always my biggest complaint

[untold wasp]

i agree

[unique rune]

Halo 2 pretty much did the same thing but everyone likes to conveniently forget about that

[untold wasp]

the arbiter is one of the best characters anyway

[unique rune]

“defend the Earth from the Covenant threat something something”

spend only two missions on Earth
half the game is focused on new Elite guy off doing Covenant things

[untold wasp]

and he was pretty important to the story, more than osiris (excluding bucke)

[edgy radish]

Yeah, but Halo 2 had a good story

Halo 5 does not

That’s why we let it slide

[versed helm]

Still should count other game if it has the same issue as this game

[untold wasp]

especially with the anniversary version

[neon moss]

I think halo 5 was supposed to be a spin-off, something like halo reach but they put Chief in due to how badly halo 4 was received

[edgy radish]

Halo 5 was just wrong on all sides, it tried to force us into liking Osiris. It gave them this incredible intro, then gave MC and Blue Team a 2 minute intro where they fly through space and threw a window. The main reason we play Halo is for MC and that game botched it. If anything it should have been pegged as an ODST style spinoff

[humble yacht]

4 wasn’t received badly

[edgy radish]

I liked Halo 4

[versed helm]

It was an okay game in terms of review right?

[unique rune]

I mean, I liked the Osiris and Blue intro scenes in equal measure for different reasons.

[humble yacht]

At least not in the story department

[neon moss]

It wasn’t? I thought there were people who were saying how the didact was like a Bond villain with his monologues

[humble yacht]

Fan reception for the story was also good. Fans didn’t like the multiplayer

[edgy radish]

@unique rune as characters, I don’t hate Osiris or anyone else they introduced in that game, but the story itself was a huge letdown

[humble yacht]

Overall a minor critique, also remember to disable pings when replying

[unique rune]

Osiris’ is cool and flashy and chaotic dropping into an active warzone, while Blue’s is a quiet, clean low profile insertion.

[untold wasp]

4 was ok, but they should of had another villian, since the didact only appeared in that game

[neon moss]

Ohh I see

[edgy radish]

https://youtu.be/gMxTfCTltUc

Like we never got this

This wasn’t the version of Locke we received

[untold wasp]

i feel halo 5 would be better if it continued fighting the diadact

[elder zodiac]

Isn't that 117 before reincarnation when he was a deidact?

[humble yacht]

There was H5 concept art for a composed didact

[stable flower]

Didact was Reeded off

[elder zodiac]

Guilty spark said he had asked that question before

[humble yacht]

That’s just a fan theory, not factual

Guilty spark was also crazy

[neon moss]

They can still bring the didact can’t they? He’s just composed atm

[humble yacht]

They could

They probably won’t

[untold wasp]

i dont think they can un composed him

[humble yacht]

Robot body

[neon moss]

Yea like an armiger or a monitor

[untold wasp]

that would make the didact look cool

[edgy radish]

The Didact is still technically alive isn’t he?

[humble yacht]

Technically

[neon moss]

He is, in “digital” form.

[edgy radish]

He’s in the domain the last I saw

[humble yacht]

Based on precedent he should be stuck in the Composer’s Abyss

Domain-adjacent

[edgy radish]

Explain that for me?

I know his story continued in a comic, but I never red it

[humble yacht]

Composed entities get stored in this place called the Abysss

Blue team walks through it and sees thousands, maybe millions of composed souls writhing around in agony

[edgy radish]

So everyone the Didact composed in Halo 4 is there

[humble yacht]

Also when Warden and Cortana first meet, she asks him about the Composed and Warden says they are here but he doesn’t allow them into the Domain. He expresses disgust towards them because he doesn’t consider them real created

[edgy radish]

So the composer deletes you after it makes a copy of your soul and stores you in the domain for further use?

[untold wasp]

yup

[edgy radish]

Makes sense

[untold wasp]

control c control v

[humble yacht]

I wouldn’t say it makes a copy

[edgy radish]

That’s fair, the warden is now dead and cortona controls the domain?

[humble yacht]

No

[neon moss]

I wonder how it feels like to be composed. Do you feel like your body atomizing?

[humble yacht]

Warden is fine

[humble yacht]

It hurts

[edgy radish]

I thought she killed him at the end of 5?

[humble yacht]

Nope

Remember he has millions of bodies

[untold wasp]

ya

[humble yacht]

He doesn’t care about losing a few

[edgy radish]

Nah I don’t remember lol

Anything after 3 I’m pretty iffy on

[wet notch]

how many spartan 2s are active as of infinite?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Red team, blue team, gray team

[wet notch]

how many spartans are in grey team

[neon moss]

Omega team too

[humble yacht]

Probably 4

[neon moss]

Grey team is 3

[edgy radish]

I had 3 kids by the time Halo 4 came out, so I’ve been pretty busy over the years @humble yacht 😂

[wet notch]

so there’s like 11 active ones?

oh 10

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[elder zodiac]

Hmmm

[neon moss]

Naomi, Maria

[humble yacht]

Maria retired

[neon moss]

Oh yea

[untold wasp]

still a spartan tho right

[wet notch]

also why wasn’t chief with blue team during the new mombasa thing in halo 2? im pretty sure i read somewhere that blue team was defending the city/planet after the chief left

[humble yacht]

Blue team was on onyx

[untold wasp]

he was on in amber clad

[neon moss]

Can we count serin osman?

[hallow siren]

Just out of curiosity. Are the Guns operated on UNSC Ships & Covenant for that matter operated by a gunner crew? Or is it computer operated. (Example: The Scene from SW lll: Revenge of the sith batte of Coruscant. When the Venator & the General Grevious ship shot at each other, the guns operated by clones on 1 ship, droids on the other. Another example is the Gunner screws operating the 1st Death stars AA Guns during the trench run.
Are UNSC ships guns operated by a gunner crew like that?

[wet notch]

yeah ik i was just wondering why blue team wasn’t with him

[humble yacht]

Both

[untold wasp]

idk

[humble yacht]

Human crew or ship AI can use the weapons

Halsey took the rest of blue team to onyx

[elder zodiac]

I'm sure their on station until boarded

Then ai would take over bombardment.

[neon moss]

She only took Kelly. Fred and Linda only went to onyx to respond to Halsey’s signal

[edgy radish]

The most recent thing we know of Halsey and the lot are at the end of Halo 5? There haven’t been any mention of what happened after that?

[untold wasp]

also wasn't linda in ce?

[hallow siren]

I remember the mission in halo reach where Elite Ultras were operating the plasma turrets shooting at the UNSC Savanah

[neon moss]

She is. In cryostasis

[wet notch]

also didn’t jerome destroy the banished flagship? how is there another carrier now in infinite like on that one multiplayer map

[untold wasp]

but wasn't she basically player 2

[humble yacht]

Easiest answer would be multiple carriers in the banished army

[humble yacht]

No

[untold wasp]

oh ok

[humble yacht]

Canonically there is no player 2

Not in CE

[neon moss]

There is. Mister chief and master chief/s

[wet notch]

is the UNSC aware at all of the spirit of fires continued existence or the activities of red team

[humble yacht]

Not really

That might change after Divine Wind

[unique rune]

They were split up after they got back to Earth. Linda and Fred gave a report on Op. First Strike while John dealt with propaganda things. Then John went with the In Amber Clad to chase the Solemn Penance while Fred, Linda, and Will stayed behind to continue fighting on Earth before heading to Onyx.

[wet notch]

what is divine wind

[humble yacht]

A book

[wet notch]

hope we get to see or at least hear from red team in infinite

[versed helm]

I hope all the remaining spartan 2s meet up

[untold wasp]

how many are left?

[wet notch]

i think like 12-14

[neon moss]

I wonder how they’ll react when they meet each other again considering they saw each other as brothers and sisters

[edgy radish]

@wet notch we just destroyed the carrier over The Ark, but we sorta left the Banished stranded at that moment

[wet notch]

i hope they do to begin with, afaik there hasn’t been any mention of such a thing occurring in infinite but i would love it if it happened

[untold wasp]

well not stranded, i mean they got to zeta halo

[edgy radish]

Yeah, but we don’t know how

I hope we find out

[humble yacht]

Read shadows of reach

It tells you how

[neon moss]

Yea. It’s really sad cos the last time they all gathered together was during operation red flag

[edgy radish]

At the end of Halo Wars it seemed that the SoF was still there fighting them

[wet notch]

i rlly hope they reunite chief with at least blue team or red team in infinite

that would be the greatest campaign moment in years for halo i think

[humble yacht]

Wouldn’t bet on it

[neon moss]

I just hope they don’t axe blue team off screen

[untold wasp]

why would they

[wet notch]

they kinda hyped it up at the end of wars 2 though so i don’t think it’s too much of a stretch

maybe a dlc or sequel idk

[humble yacht]

Hyped what up?

[wet notch]

spirit of fire reconnecting with the unsc

[humble yacht]

All the end of hw2 did was show a guardian intercept Anders’ ring

We have no idea what happened to her

[neon moss]

Well they did with black team, and the didact so it’s not out of the realm of the impossible

[wet notch]

they wouldn’t kill off blue team off screen

i think they understand how important they are as opposed to the likes of black team

and for those who don’t follow the lore extensively they probably thought the didact died at the end of halo 4 anyway

[humble yacht]

For people who don’t follow the lore, it’s not like blue team is all that important

They’re only famous because of the books

How many halo players actually read the books, I wonder?

[elder zodiac]

Please post a list of lore books if possible

[untold wasp]

i dont even know where to find them

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[edgy radish]

I read the plot summaries lol

[humble yacht]

Google is your friend

[untold wasp]

and didn't even know they existed until like earlier this *year

[edgy radish]

But with that being said I knew about Fred and Linda way before Halo 4

[elder zodiac]

Youtube helps but their is too much fan theory and personal opinion clouds the story

Like the one about the only promethazine left alive and his explanation of the flood for example

*promethian

[edgy radish]

Yeah that’s the hard part about getting info from YouTube, a lot of it is opinion based

I’ve never heard any mention of them?

[neon moss]

sorry I didn’t know that was a spoiler

[unique rune]

That name was sourced from leaks IIRC which we aren’t supposed to be discussing on this server

[edgy radish]

Anything from Halo 6 is a spoiler

[humble yacht]

Back to regularly scheduled programming 🙂

[edgy radish]

Anywho, you guys think we’ll get to fight Atryox

[lunar drum]

So. When did Halsey learn of Spartan 3s?

[unique rune]

After reaching Onyx.

[lunar drum]

But she met Noble Team on Reach?

[unique rune]

She knew someone was making more Spartans after meeting Noble on Reach but wasn’t sure what project they belonged to.

[humble yacht]

Don’t think too hard about it, lol

[tame steeple]

Yea I started reading them, but I know not a lot of people do

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[humble yacht]

It was a rhetorical question, it’s a minority of the entire halo fanbase

[stable flower]

Probably not, judging by how 343 handles characters

[tame steeple]

I think we probably will but who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lunar drum]

I guess it was an oversight?

[humble yacht]

More like bungie didn’t care enough to make reach fit preexisting lore

[lunar drum]

Ah okay

[stable flower]

I always thought Reach should've been stretched across other colonies then the last part would be on Reach

[sudden flower]

johnsons last words were dont let her go i wonder if they will reference this in halo infinite campaign

[unique rune]

Probably not, judging by how 343 handles characters
I mean, it’s not like Halo has a history of making fun or interesting boss fights. Any in-game fight with Atriox would just be “shoot him a lot”.

[edgy radish]

I imagine boss fights will player out like how we used to fight Hunters back in the day

Shoot, shoot, hide, grenade, recharge shields, shoot, shoot, run out of ammo and have to pistol them to death

[humble yacht]

As long as boss fights don’t have long periods where you can’t damage the enemy, should be fine

[edgy radish]

So far reception has been positive based on what I’ve seen from those who’ve played it

So fingers crossed

[valid hemlock]

Wym? You didn't like the such engaging and exciting fight with tatarus?

[unique rune]

I just find it silly to frame Halo’s weird relationship with fighting major enemies as a 343 issue when it’s really just a result of how the games have been designed from the beginning

[humble yacht]

It’s not a 343 issue, it’s a Bungie issue

343 made the best boss encounter halo has seen so far

[edgy radish]

They still have those issues today, in Destiny

[humble yacht]

Warden was a better boss fight than anything in halo 2

Granted, warden fights were pretty simple and overused, but as a boss unit warden was miles ahead of Tartarus or Regret

But also boss mechanics are outside the scope of lore discussion, so

[edgy radish]

The best Halo boss fight was punching the prophets to death 😂

[sudden flower]

the best halo boss fights were blowing up scarabs

[humble yacht]

I wouldn’t really call scarabs boss fights

But again, not really a “lore” topic, lol

[upper cradle]

Lets talk about lore instead

[edgy radish]

So the UNSC Infinity and Spirit of Fire are the two main active ships right now?

[strong tinsel]

The best scarab in halo was the banished scarab

The halo 2 scarab maybe 2nd place

Or the super scarab

[upper cradle]

I'm sure there are more ships out, but the Infinity is

eh

I think its spoilers since the Campaign isnt out but

The Spirit of Fire is probably still on the Ark but we have no word on it, just that Captain Cutter is still there continuing the fight. I can assume that since the Banished are on Zeta Halo they probably lost...

[loud fjord]

well i doubt that all the banished were at the ark, Atriox probably was juggling mulitple places at once.

[humble yacht]

They werent

As Shadows of Reach shows, plenty of Banished were still in the Milky Way

[stable flower]

Banished have different cells, led by War Chiefs who possibly have some degree of autonomy

[lunar drum]

The fight between the Banished and UNSC is still ongoing on the Ark.

Chimera, are we able to talk about Divine Wind in this chat yet or is it a spoiler zone still?

[humble yacht]

Technically you can chat about it here

Lemme call Ericky to watch this channel so I don’t see anything about it

@fair hazel watch them

[lunar drum]

You need to read the book then lol

[fair hazel]

Oh hello

Books been out for over a month so. Yes. Chat chat divine wind

[humble yacht]

I am reading it

[strong tinsel]

Read it faster

Jk

[lunar drum]

Was just gonna point out that covenant remnants are also on the Ark in the fight against the Banished and UNSC.

[fair hazel]

Read it as fast as me. Where you read things before they come out

It’s honestly cool seeing the 3 way fight

The pure chaos of that scene

Very rts like

[lunar drum]

I just hope we can get a Halo Wars 3 from it lol.

But yeah the 3 player chess game is great to read. Pitting each faction against the other.

BTW in HW2 didn't Isabella update Red Team's armor? Or are they still using Mk 4 with experimental shielding?

[fair hazel]

Their using this hybrid type thing Armour from what they got

[humble yacht]

They found gen 2 parts on the ark

And retrofitted their armor with that stuff

[lunar drum]

Ah. So it's a mish mash.

[humble yacht]

Yep

I will say what I’ve read in DW so far made me think about slipspace again and now I think it’s possible that Jorge’s body is floating out in regular space somewhere

[lunar drum]

Maybe? But I doubt he is alive anymore.

There is also the thing of him being right next to the bomb no?

[humble yacht]

I didn’t say he was alive

[lunar drum]

True. Just me tacking it on.

[humble yacht]

His body (I.e. corpse) is either stuck in slipspace or floating in some random part of the galaxy

But it’s now clear that ships don’t need a slipspace engine to exit slipspace, they can exit accidentally if they navigate improperly

This also gives a little more explanation into how the aft section of the Dawn exited slipspace early

Tho we still don’t know how the ship broke in two

[lunar drum]

It's been awhile since I played Reach. But did the ship try to jump and that's what caused it to explode? Or did Noble plant a bomb?

[humble yacht]

Noble team turned an unmounted slipspace drive into a “bomb”

Basically it just opened a portal in the middle of the super carrier

[lunar drum]

Ahhhh okay. Kinda like in HW1.

[fair hazel]

But being exposed to slipspace isn’t great.

Exposed unprotected

And the air on the ship will only last so long. And good

Food

[humble yacht]

What is now more confusing is how Denning describes passage of time in slipspace vs how previous information described it

[versed helm]

Could have reach be saved if chief was out of cryo sleep to help noble six?

[humble yacht]

No

Chief wasn’t in cryo during the fall of reach

[fair hazel]

In pretty sure it’s guided by 343’s info

[humble yacht]

He was already there

[versed helm]

i may have misunderstood the story then,why didn't he help then? he wasn't mentioned during the campaign

[humble yacht]

He was off doing his own thing

[versed helm]

oh ,was it mentioned anywhere? cause i want to read about it

[humble yacht]

Read The Fall of Reach

The very first halo novel

[versed helm]

thank you so much ❤️

i didn't read the novels ty

[misty pecan]

lore wise whats the difference between air assault and odst? I saw some meme on the subreddit about average odst vs air assault, and I dont get it. Who is air assault?

[sly hawk]

The army/airforces special forces. versus ODST's being the navy/marines special forces.

[misty pecan]

oh ok so its just army navy rivalry?

[sly hawk]

basically.

[versed helm]

Why did Cortana turn evil?

[sly hawk]

She didn't, she went crazy. Probably due to the logic plague.

[humble yacht]

Probably not due to that

[gilded mason]

Yeah. There was that whole thing throughout Halo 4 about her going rampant. That's the most obvious reason why she's not acting like her previous self.

[humble yacht]

And all the fragments that made it to the domain were rampant personality spikes

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[humble yacht]

So you have a bunch of emotionally troubled Cortanas gaining immortality

Without her better qualities to reign in her impulses

[humble yacht]

Tbf she didn’t have evil intentions. Her ultimately goal was promoting a safe and secure society

She executed it poorly tho

If i were her, I would have at least offered the galaxy a chance to submit on their own. Or even better, veiled the plan so it didn’t look like a full blown takeover but secretly it would have been

[gilded mason]

Yeah, the latter seemed like a much better way to go about it.

[edgy radish]

I think the thing she realizes, is that no matter what happens there will be no peace, the galaxy is riddled with one battle after the next. I mean how many times has humanity started over? We’re on what the second or third reboot?

[patent burrow]

Was the main reason Cortana went rampant because of the grave mind? I thought it was but someone told me different, can anyone help me lol

I'm not sure if it was because of the AI expiring over time or the grave mind overloading her AI between 2 and 3

[unique rune]

Her being tortured by the Gravemind between 2 and 3 would've contributed to it but age was the primary cause of her decline.

[patent burrow]

Excellent thanks

[burnt pulsar]

Does anyone know the lore on the Kodiak in HW2

[unique rune]

https://www.halopedia.org/M400_Kodiak

[burnt pulsar]

So it’s basically a scorpion on steroids

[unique rune]

Not really. That'd be more accurate if you were describing the M850 Grizzly.

The Kodiak is a self-propelled artillery unit and not an MBT like the Scorpion.

[burnt pulsar]

But my real question is how did the spirit of fire have them and how did they have so much other stuff that they shouldn’t have

[unique rune]

1. It's not known when the Kodiak first entered service with the UNSC so it's entirely possible that the Spirit of Fire could have had some on board prior to the events at the Etran Harborage.
2. If they were introduced later in the war, they could have been sourced from blueprints or other data stored at UNSC facilities across the Ark, which we know Isabel had access to. Short of producing some core MJOLNIR components, the Spirit of Fire has some fairly extensive manufacturing capabilities.

[versed helm]

Didn't one of the Forerunner Trilogy books describe the Domain as somewhat lacking Ancient Human knowledge and memories?

[untold wasp]

What is the music in halo 2 when they first enter the arbiter mausoleum

[molten grove]

So what exactly are the "Halos"?

[unique rune]

ancient Forerunner megastructures designed to kill off sentient life as a last resort measure for stopping the Flood

[humble yacht]

Giant ring worlds designed to kill sentient life

[molten grove]

Basically, machines of death?

[wraith thorn]

Has a Spartan ever actually been infected?

[gilded mason]

Not yet.

[wraith thorn]

Like, has the CORRUPTOR code- aw.

[humble yacht]

Basically

[molten grove]

Dang

But, if these installations were made to destroy everything, then why do they have environment?

[humble yacht]

Not fully sure

The rings were also used as containment zones so that could be part of it

Could have also been an aesthetic choice

[molten grove]

Forerunners make machines of death to kill live

Installations have the environments which make them possible to live on

[gusty star]

Considering specimens preserved during the Librarian's conservation measures are seen roaming on Halo rings' surfaces, they likely added the environments to allow these specimens to thrive.

[wraith thorn]

What became of Offensive Bias?

[molten grove]

But that still doesn't make any sense, if they made these rings to destroy every sentient live, and Flood can infect anything

[gilded mason]

Unknown

[wraith thorn]

Hmmm....

[unique rune]

IIRC the environments built on the Halo rings were supposed to be some sort of concession related to the Mantle.
Something like "okay yeah we are killing everything in the galaxy so we should at least try to make up for that by making the superweapons inhabitable".

[molten grove]

Then I believe the Flood would infect the specimens on the installations

[gilded mason]

Not if the Flood were properly contained by the Monitors

[molten grove]

Hm..

Not really that deep in the Halo lore

If you want to know, my first Halo game was Reach

[humble yacht]

Then how do you even know about the flood? Lol

[molten grove]

I've played Halo 3

[humble yacht]

Oh ok

That’s good

[molten grove]

Well not really, watched bunch of Halo vids on YT

[humble yacht]

That’s less good

[gilded mason]

Oh

[molten grove]

I mean, I haven't played the campaign yet

[humble yacht]

Halo 3 is on PC now, there’s no excuse, lol

[earnest notch]

What’s the name of arbiter’s new armor in halo 2 anniversary and halo 5

[humble yacht]

Kaidon

[molten grove]

I'm installing Halo 3

[sly hawk]

She did though.

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[humble yacht]

Not really

She didn’t announce her intentions until after she already started killing people

[molten grove]

Cortana must be a crazy girl then

[humble yacht]

When someone offers you a choice with a gun to your head, it’s not really a choice

[earnest notch]

I look up that Kaidon is an ancient elite armor for thousands of years so I’m guessing arbiter/ Thel Vaadam upgraded the kaidon armor with modern Sangheli tech

[molten grove]

I mean, Arbiter was a heretic

And their armor was meant to be old

[versed helm]

So whats going to happen now that Spartan Locke is actually Master Chief and Sarah Palmers son

[gilded mason]

Master Chief will finally go to Locke's baseball games

[molten grove]

Because the Prophets actually wanted them to be dead

AKA Sending them on suicidal missions

That's why they have the Kaidon armor

[humble yacht]

Precursors had nothing to do with arbiters

[gilded mason]

Prophets, not precursors.

And Arbiter armor is different from Kaidon armor

[versed helm]

My lore question is why weren't there any Brutes working for Jul Mdama

[gilded mason]

There might've been. We just didn't see any in 4/5

[humble yacht]

Jul was an extremist, just not a zealot

Like most other elites, he did not appreciate being betrayed by the prophets and brutes

[versed helm]

So why are there Elites that feel fine working with the Brutes in the Banished

[gilded mason]

Because they happen to be Elites that don't see it as a dealbreaker

[humble yacht]

The banished is a secular group

While Jul himself was secular, his covenant was not

[versed helm]

Technically many Sangheili hate the Jiralhanae and many Jiralhanae hate the Sangheili on the Banished.

[humble yacht]

Also it helps that Atriox was a fearsome figure, he probably had strict rules about infighting

[versed helm]

This is even seen in Atriox's comics.

[versed helm]

^^

[ruby plover]

Ok so at the end of Halo Reach we hear "your body, your armor, belong to reach" or something like that, but if so where does the Master Chief come from?

[gilded mason]

What do you mean

[ruby plover]

in the first halo game

[humble yacht]

Reach isn’t the first halo game

[ruby plover]

no but in Halo: CE

[humble yacht]

It’s a prequel but it was made way after halo CE

[ruby plover]

that what i meant

im tired and cant spell

[gilded mason]

What does CE have to do with "your body, your armor, belong to reach"

[versed helm]

That would be Halo Wars 1 chronologically but CE in Releasement order.

[humble yacht]

Master Chief doesn’t have anything to do with Halo Reach

Except for a non canon Easter egg

[ruby plover]

i mean if Noble 6 died, who else would be the master chief, at first it thought it was him but i hadnt finished reach yet

[gilded mason]

Noble Six looks nothing like Master Chief and is called...Noble Six

[ruby plover]

thats what i mean

anyways

the question is where master chief came from

[humble yacht]

Master chief is a rank

Also a totally separate character

[versed helm]

?? Noble 6 has nothing to do with John 117

[ruby plover]

ik

[edgy radish]

*117

[versed helm]

too slow

[edgy radish]

Lol

[humble yacht]

It doesn’t really matter where Chief comes from, just like it doesn’t matter where Noble 6 came from

[edgy radish]

Noble 6 was a new character

[gilded mason]

^

[edgy radish]

It was meant to be a player character

[ruby plover]

if so then how does the rank get appointed

[gilded mason]

Like all ranks

[edgy radish]

Promotions?

[humble yacht]

By superior officers

Just like any other military

[versed helm]

Master Chief Petty Officer is a real life Military rank

[ruby plover]

What are the prerequisities for getting the master chief rank

[gilded mason]

A superior officer recognizing that you deserve the rank.

[ruby plover]

pretty basic then

[humble yacht]

Military ranks are awarded based on a combination of seniority and deeds

[edgy radish]

According to the a former Navy-veteran online, he say's you advance by the following; Qualify-Master your trade-Lead well-work outside your rating-march to the beat of the drum, but march faster than the beat-

So Master Chief has done that in every rank he's held up until MCPO

[versed helm]

Chief is known as John S-117.

He's an Spartan Two of the Spartan II Program.

[ruby plover]

Sierra 117 ik

thats common knowledge

[versed helm]

Noble Six is known as B312, a Spartan Three of the Spartan III Program, Beta Company.

Both are different characters, with B312 being a Headhunter 'LONE WOLF' Operative Spartan of the ONI.

Later this one was sent to serve under command of the Army in the Unified Ground Special Forces in Noble Team.

[twilit linden]

Kinda looks like a mess in here for lore lol

[wraith thorn]

Nah. It's actually legit.

I've gotten a couple things answered. I've fallen into a lore rabbit hole and this channel has been pretty helpful.

[twilit linden]

Good

[wraith thorn]

But I've bene like, following the deeep history

Forerunner and precursor lore

[misty pecan]

Is sangheili a learnable language? I’ve seen a sangheili alphabet online, and I’ve seen some sangheili words translated, but is there a word book or known linguistic rules of sangheili which could be used to learn the language irl?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[restive spire]

They tore you apart up there lmao, I get what you were asking tho, like you thought they were both the same at one point I assumed

[robust hatch]

haha master chef saves world the end - halo plotline b like jk

[gray sedge]

How many war crimes has Chief committed?

I am serious does anyone have an idea of how many Red Cross violations he has

[loud fjord]

Doubt the Geneva convention applies to aliens

[unique rune]

I'm... pretty sure the Red Cross isn't responsible for overseeing war crimes and even if it was, I don't think any kind of human laws of war are applicable to the genocidal alien hegemony.

[gray sedge]

But still

If aliens had human rights

[loud fjord]

the prerequisite for that is for the other nation to agree to the terms of war, so they'd have to really cut down on the whole genocide thing.

[gray sedge]

Bruh you get my point, if the rules of war applied to the covenant how many war crimes would be committed by chief

[loud fjord]

You're not getting my point, they'd only be warcrimes if they agreed to the proper terms of war, which in turn makes a paradox.

also its been probably updated in the last five hundred years of lore

[gray sedge]

I get your point but this is a hypothetical situation

[unique sand]

STILL less than the covenant on themselves not even taking into account their genocidal war against the humans

And even then I don't think the Chief has committed any warcrimes at all

[unique rune]

I mean I don't think the Chief has actually done anything that would constitute a war crime.

Just referencing the Geneva Conventions, most of them aren't really applicable to the things he's responsible for or even the Human-Covenant War in general.

[gray sedge]

The more I look at it the more I realise the only war crime he may have committed is use of nukes and flamethrowers

The covenant have no medics, women or children in harms way to murder

So it comes down to weapon technicality

Due to a lack of civilians and POW’s

[loud fjord]

I can't recall him using flamethrowers on non flood

[unique sand]

^

And even the nukes it's hazy

[gray sedge]

Again it is hazy on weather he used it on covenant or not

Again elite policy of no medics really decreases the war crime count

[unique sand]

But yeah as far as war crimes master chief basically O the covenant ♾

[gray sedge]

Why the frick did the UNSC pardon the arbiter

He killed over a billion people

Changing sides does not undo that

[loud fjord]

cause his forces teaming up with them prevented the end of all humanity?

[gray sedge]

He also killed over a billion people

[unique sand]

I need a citation on Thel Vadamee killing a billion people

[unique rune]

He's also the leader of a pretty major Sangheili-aligned (read: former Covenant) faction.
They'd be stupid to do something to get on his bad side.

[gilded mason]

H2A terminals

Wasn't him personally, it was from him commanding ships a that glassed population centers.

[gilded mason]

Also this

[gray sedge]

As much as I love the Arbiter, the random mention that he murdered over a billion makes the character a lot less likeable

[gilded mason]

And he's been doing a lot to attempt to fix his past transgressions.

[gray sedge]

Around a billion if you count high charity

[fading isle]

I mean the other few Billion would have died if he didn't so yeah

[gray sedge]

Chief and arbiter probably have quite similar kill counts if you count grunt kills and glassing

They are both cold blooded killers in lore but in game and story they are likeable

[unique sand]

See arbiter killed people with glassing, MC pulled the trigger on every kill

Whether that's bomb trigger rifle trigger or drive trigger

Even then arbiter probably wasn't the most deadly admiral in the covenant fleet. You don't start a new galactic order by starting a second war with a newly leaderless warrior race which is the only friendly alien race in humanity's history after breaking from the covenant with covenant splinter factions, the praetorians and the banished still lurking around

The banished now having forerunner tech and recruiting human insurgents

Which are still dangerous to the UNSC

[loud fjord]

And he could have killed more if the sangheli glassed more than africa, turns out sometimes you gotta make nice with the guy who is extremely good with war even though he did you wrong cause he's willing to help you fight the theocratic monsters that will cause all life except those on the rings to die, that and the space cancer that wants to mutate all life in a zombie apocalypse on steroids. Is Arby forgiven? Hell no, even Hood knows what Thel did was wrong, but if you just continue the war you're probably gonna hurt yourself in the long run.

[burnt pulsar]

Add another 2 billion from him destroying around 350 covenant ships

[sage pendant]

hi im new anyone here know about Daisy 0-23

[gilded mason]

Did you want info on her?

[sage pendant]

yes and no i know abaout here i just asking

HER

[dawn sapphire]

I’m quite sure master chief is a bad soldier because he’s gone AWOL and stuff right?

Like he’s badass

But a bad soldier

[deft harbor]

Guys i found some leaked that halo 7 is gonna be about master chief getting fat and retiring and that he tries to buy all of the halo 7 limited edition 2xp pringles and Spartan Palmer takes his place and we play as her for the rest of the game

[twilit linden]

Chief is no where near close as a “bad soldier” and he went AWOL due to Cortana which also had shown light to a lot of people especially those who were against him that eventually sided with him.

[unique sand]

You can't call a guy who asks for permission before dropping a one liner, before riding an enemy bomb out of your ship crashing that bomb back into the enemy ship and then jumping all the way back to a friendly ship a bad soldier