lore-and-universe

[near crest]

What were they doing in HW2? they were in another halo right?

[stable flower]

Nope they were introduced in HW2.

[near crest]

I know that, but what I mean is why were they on a Halo? or was that in the Ark?

[stable flower]

Oh yeah, they were on Installation 04C after it was constructed by the Ark and attempted to use it

[near crest]

Why did they wanted to use it? Sorry, I never played HW2, I just know very few things about them

[stable flower]

As a weapon to use against the UNSC. They don't seem to know that it will wipe them out too

[near crest]

That makes sense, I just hope the whole Guardians thing gets solved too

[dark spoke]

Yeah, as bad as halo 5’s story was, they should resolve all the things that were introduced in it

[stable flower]

Amen

[worthy basin]

indeed

[bronze schooner]

Do the Halo rings also kill the people on the ring?

[stable flower]

I believe the newer ones like 04C do

[versed helm]

How stinky do you think chief suit is? Guy has been running around in it for maybe months, or years at a time without taking it off

[carmine sleet]

That doesn't make sense, Atriox knows what the Halos do, he wouldn't be so foolish as to just fire one as it would wipe out his own forces within the radius of the blast

[lofty hollow]

I doubt they’re using the rings as a weapon and more so using it for salvage and reverse engineering

[stable flower]

I was just going by the SOF crew's words

[versed helm]

I'm a newbie. I don't have time reading comics, so is there any video/post that summarized the story of Haloverse?

[tacit charm]

tldr version of the entire halo series, dont do drugs and dont get too much into religion

[sullen ridge]

also watch out for crazy ai girlfriends

and don't forget

del Rio was right

[rich mulch]

try "the complete halo saga in 22 minutes" on youtube. It's not perfect but at least you'll have an idea.

[versed helm]

Fun fact:- human waste is used as backup power.

So yes you can po and pee in the suit.

Man Iam loving the elites in Halo Infinite.

I wished they were more like The Joker though.

Who'd win?

Master Chief or Joker?

[calm rock]

Chief

[versed helm]

Chief vs Batman?

I mean Comics Batman ofc.

The one who can defeat Darkseid.

[dusky glen]

Manifesting for seeing allied Elites in Infinite...

[versed helm]

I meant the Banished.

[dusky glen]

Yeah I agree that banished elites are cool. but I also hoping to see sword of sanghelios elites as well

Even though it's unlikely...

[versed helm]

Yeah. I remember Halo 6 leaks XD

[versed helm]

Where does it go tho

[versed helm]

It becomes battery power.

Stored in the legs probably.

Imagine Chief meeting Atriox...

And Zetsu tears him in half.

[dusky glen]

Was that one a fake?

Or real?

[versed helm]

No when Halo 6 theories were called Halo 6.

[dusky glen]

Ahh okay

[versed helm]

Nope turn 6 sideways, it looks like infinite

[junior timber]

Just need two six's and flip them, then you'll get a infinity symbol

[calm rock]

Or take a 8

[versed helm]

What is the in universe reason for the phasing out of gen II MJOLNIR and the creation of gen III?

[spring elbow]

the training

and also stealing kids to make them slaves of grand army of the republic ... what ?

imagine stealing kids from their homes and loving families just to train soldiers with great genetics .. spartans II gen were just slaves born for war .. they don't know nothing about normal life or anything beyond war

[versed helm]

I’m not talking about Spartans

[spring elbow]

oh ...

[versed helm]

I’m talking about their armor

[spring elbow]

more power & strength

Gen IV spartan is as strong as Gen II spartan because of his better armor

[humble yacht]

Gen refers to armor

Different generation Spartans are just Spartan-II/III/IV

[lunar drum]

^

[humble yacht]

Gen 3 armor provides better protection and more advancements

Better shield shaping, on board nanobots, better equipment mods, better outer plating, etc

[versed helm]

Really though you’d think that gen 2 with all its flying crap would be preferable

[gaunt oak]

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[humble yacht]

Lorewise, there’s no reason jetpacks wouldn’t be compatible with gen3

[lunar drum]

Would rather have better protection than having jet packs though. But I bet you can still put the jetpacks on those.

[lunar drum]

This.

[versed helm]

Does this men gen 2 is an objective failure considering its lifespan

[lunar drum]

I wouldn't say so.

[humble yacht]

No

[lunar drum]

Gen 2 was better than Gen 1.

[versed helm]

Then why was it replaced so quickly and why were so many of its design choices like less armor reverted

[humble yacht]

Changing times

Technology advancements

[versed helm]

Was more armor a direct result of promeathen combat?

That would make sense

[humble yacht]

Probably not

[versed helm]

In response to banished or created forces?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Probably not in response to any one thing in particular

[versed helm]

Hope the visual guide will patch things up though I’m not really complaining because the art direction for gen 3 is much better in art design compared to gen 2

[carmine sleet]

Sometimes a generation for something is going to be shorter than other generations, just depends on what the advancements are that determine if something is a new generation or not

[unique rune]

Yeah, like, Mk.V was only in service for about a year before getting replaced by Mk.VI.

[manic bridge]

I think the Mk 5 and 6 platforms were phased out so quickly is because post 2550 there were so many advancements being discovered so rapidly. For instance, more latchkey discoveries of forerunner technology, better ability to reverse engineer Covenant equipment, etc.

Another example is how the Infinity coopted forerunner tech so quickly and it was only finished being created like 4 months after the war

[lunar drum]

Pretty much

[versed helm]

HiddenXperia is saying that Halo Infinite's campaign is FIRE! 🔥

[humble yacht]

Let’s keep any discussion of the campaign from preview reviews to #485883236430512168

[carmine sleet]

The Infinity was in development before the war ended, starting in 2544. The Forerunner engines were a development that happened post war in 2553

[hoary sigil]

Good afternoon gentlemen, what lore is being explored today?

[lunar drum]

Wasn't that in earlier Gens as well? The auto biofoam injector?

[humble yacht]

He making a joke about the game being rated T and not having blood

[lunar drum]

Ahhh okay. r/whoosh

[humble yacht]

But yes MJOLNIR has had bio foam injectors since gen1 mark vi

Also Spartans apparently have increased healing speed

[lunar drum]

Makes sense.

Didn't Chief heal from some pretty bad plasma burns in SoR?

[humble yacht]

Yes

[stable flower]

Nanobots, son!

[humble yacht]

The nanobots repair the armor

But chief’s body has increased healing on its own

[lunar drum]

Part of their augmentations. And I think the 4s also have lung filtration now no? 4s were more about survivability since the armor makes up for the strength difference.

[humble yacht]

The SIVs lung augmentation is bs and I don’t like to talk about it

[lunar drum]

Well alrighty then lol

[obsidian thistle]

Breathing the methane xD

[humble yacht]

Why you tag me

I said I didn’t want to talk about it

[versed helm]

is there flood on installation 07?

@obsidian thistle u probably know

[spring elbow]

I thought we destroyed flood no?

[versed helm]

flood is never truly destroyed tbh

[humble yacht]

There is flood in containment on zeta halo

[versed helm]

look at hw2

[versed helm]

don’t most rings have containment for the flood?

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[humble yacht]

Yes. Except for newly made rings

[versed helm]

what do you mean by newly made? weren’t all rings created around the same time? since the forerunner are now extinct?

[humble yacht]

Please disable pings when replying

The ark makes replacement rings

[versed helm]

apologies, i forget that’s a feature

[pine comet]

Including two proto-graveminds right?

[stable flower]

The Flood outbreak that stemmed from Delta Halo was stopped, as that was the largest modern outbreak.

[humble yacht]

Think it’s more like 20

Or 12

[pine comet]

👀

Maybe they should have a group hug in the infinite campaign

[humble yacht]

Maybe they should stay in stasis

_>

[lunar drum]

I agree with Chimera. Flood should stay out of the campaign. At least for this game.

[pine comet]

That would be the biggest disappointment

[humble yacht]

It’s one of my biggest hopes for the story

No flood

[spring elbow]

ye flood is a little bit annoying now

[pine comet]

Gameplay wise I'd understand if they weren't cause of the T rating and all the leaning towards children but with all the lore behind it I'd still be disappointed if they didn't make an appearance

[lunar drum]

This game should be about the banished. Not the flood.

[humble yacht]

T rating has little to do with it

Hw2 was T and had flood

[pine comet]

It wasn't detailed with it as 3 though

[humble yacht]

It’s less about how they’re featured and more about the narrative vacuum they represent

[pine comet]

I'd want infinite to be about the banished as well, as they should be a main focus

There's just spilling potential with flood it's hard to just ignore

[humble yacht]

Can’t really have banished be the main focus while flood are in play

Even the banished recognize the flood as a threat. Everything takes a backseat when the flood show up

[pine comet]

Could have some kind of cameo mission that takes care of the outbreak more quickly

[humble yacht]

Sure, but that would just be fanservice

[spring elbow]

maybe if flood shows up after we deal with banished .. then maybe .. but not earlier

[pine comet]

Or perhaps if they want to continue the campaign for 10 years as well it could be an expansion like hw2

[spring elbow]

cortana's secret weapon if everything else fails

[sullen ridge]

i doubt Cortana would unleash a galaxy consuming parasite just because she doesn't get what she want

it would be more likely that she would manage to get her hands on more dormant forerunner tech

[humble yacht]

Releasing the flood would defeat the purpose of what she was trying to do

[pine comet]

As much as I would like to see them, it would be pretty redundant if Cortana released them on her own volition

[humble yacht]

There are all sorts of issues if she did that

[pine comet]

Wouldn't be a way to control them either

[rain timber]

what if its a corrupted flood of sorts like a "freedom" flood if you will its an ok idea but as you said "would defeat the purpose of what she was trying to do"

[pine comet]

I don't think the corrupter would become the corruptee

[rain timber]

true

[last anchor]

The Flood are single minded and unstoppable. Only thing you can do is burn them out

[rain timber]

lol i got a warning for calling myself dumb with a donkey next to dumb

[warm thistle]

We don't know 100% Cortanas plans all we know is what she's told us for all we know she could have been given the logic plague back in H3 and she's kind of like a sleeper cell trying to reawaken and revive the flood, but I agree it doesn't make A LOT of sense and won't happen. But it's a narrative direction they could go if they want

[rain timber]

makes sense

[spring elbow]

but in H5 cortana told us she wants to make humanity like john .. I understand that as making every human being spartan

[rain timber]

she would probs try and make something to fight for but ultimately end with alot of lives lost

also aint that guy from halo wars coming to the game because the brutes are red now

[warm thistle]

And her twisted way of thinking may be "to make every powerful and strong we must infect them with the flood"¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spring elbow]

in H4 she did something to herself but she should be cured by now .. or is she?

[rain timber]

nah she isnt defo

shes still corrupted cause she summoned the guardians in H5 or i think it was her i cant remember, its been to long

[spring elbow]

thats because she waas now cured and could do long term plans

[rain timber]

true

[spring elbow]

she got connected to the foreruner thing

[rain timber]

OH YEAH

sorry force of habit

[spring elbow]

its okay .. also I didn't play H5 just watched the videos and read the wiki 😄

[limber ember]

Cortana was thinking herself to death and her connection with the domain gave her infinite processing power which essentially cured her, however my theory is that the Cortana we face in H5 was one of the ejected rampant fragments from the fight with the Didact.

but yeah, she's thinking on the scale of centuries and aeons now and with that kind of big brain, some things like morality and personal freedom become more vague in the interest of "the greater good"

which is worse:
letting someone kill themself and others, but they get to choose to kill themselves and others

or

stop the killing, but force them to stop killing

that's her conundrum

[spring elbow]

cool theory

[versed helm]

sup yall wat u talkin bout

[spring elbow]

about cortana

[versed helm]

cool

[gray sedge]

Existencial dread cussed by Cortanas apprent eternity in 5

[versed helm]

sounds like fun but very painful

[gray sedge]

There is something that halo 4 Cortana causes in most that I can’t mention without being banned by the bot

[versed helm]

im imagining a combo of cortana and the banished teaming up because cortana "being very blinded to her own making" would think they are the strongest force to teach Spartans how to fight effectively

for starters the brutes are banished red and if they are in the game and cortana is here aswell then we could see something happen, reading the history of this topic ive found a theory i think would make sense in some sort of way

so lets talk abou the banished for a second,

NAME: THE BANISHED
DATE OF ORIGIN: LATE 2540
CONSISTS OF: REMAINING COVENANT FORCES, TELEPORTATION TECHNOLOGY AND INSANE LEADERSHIP
LEADER: ATRIOX
REASON OF LEADERSHIP: REVOLUTION

[gray sedge]

Epic

[versed helm]

there we go

[marsh tapir]

Did master chief ever eat pizza

[spring elbow]

I don't think he ever eat any food

[marsh tapir]

Then how did he live

[versed helm]

atriox is the leading commander of the banished, a mercenary organization that broke off from the Covenant Empire to rebel against it and rose to power after the conclusion of the Human-Covenant War.
Cortana, UNSC Artificial intelligence (SN: CTN 0452-9), is a smart artificial intelligence construct. She was one of the most important figures in the Human-Covenant war, and was also John-117's partner in various combat missions, she is also blinded by power

[gray sedge]

Idk

Probably on a day off or something

[gray sedge]

He ate military rations most of his life

[spring elbow]

yes

[marsh tapir]

Ah

[gray sedge]

Assuming he got one idk

[gray sedge]

Bigger question is what songs Chief listens to

I know Johnson and some of blue team listen to rock music form the twentieth century

[gray sedge]

Your name is Gordon Freeman and you have a clone-trooper PFP

I am ready for redcores Essay

[versed helm]

atriox would eventually find out about the flood through cortana or by something picked up on a radar somewhere, thinking they can be used for his purposes, he will free them and half of the banished will be corrupted by the flood, a more sentient flood than the original flood, would be for talkative to the banished, trying to trick and get atriox to the floods main hive to "collect data on flood forces to control them more" the sentient flood would start moving on more banished forces, corrupting more, while this is happening cortana is talking to atriox about how bad this idea is because of the history of the flood saying it could consume him with hatred towards god knows what but he does so anyway and moves on with the plan, he contacts his heads of department and tells them about the sample, they get to work and just in time for the sentient flood to arrive, the sample is from a piece of master chiefs armor back from halo 2 or 3 its become a worshiping thing for the flood so because atriox would have it he would be able to use them to his advantage

remember this is a theory/ small story of sorts because i think ive told more than i need to

[onyx depot]

what do i need to know for when i play the halo infinite campaign without having played halo 5?

[unique rune]

atriox would eventually find out about the flood through cortana or by something picked up on a radar somewhere, thinking they can be used for his purposes, he will free them and half of the banished will be corrupted by the flood
...

No.

[versed helm]

its a theory

[pine comet]

This is a wacky theory

[versed helm]

or a head cannon

[unique rune]

Did you forget how angry Atriox was with Voridus for letting the Flood trapped inside High Charity's wreckage loose?

[versed helm]

idk

[unique rune]

Why in the world would he intentionally set them loose on his own forces?

[versed helm]

oh yeah

[gray sedge]

Cortana went rouge and plunged galaxy into chaos, taht is all you must know from that turd of a campaign

[onyx depot]

Okay

[versed helm]

as i said tho its a theory, wacky but makes a little sense

[gray sedge]

Mate how long has it been since you last slept

[versed helm]

AGES

id say 4 days

[unique rune]

It makes no sense considering it literally falls apart at the first sentence

[versed helm]

true

he would find out more about it though

[gray sedge]

I canteen that by how many essay long theory messages you are making

[versed helm]

oh well

[unique rune]

He would find out more about the Flood and it would immediately make him even more disinterested in getting involved in the Flood.

[versed helm]

also true

[spring elbow]

also

how does master chief survive everything ?

[versed helm]

i get the idea now jesus nova

[unique rune]

By being good at not dying

[pine comet]

No offense but there is no sense in any of this

[versed helm]

ik

its wacky

[pine comet]

Wacky is being nice

[versed helm]

its [insert language here]

i kinda knew that after nova ranted

[versed helm]

also i still cant believe i remembered this

[night blade]

he's a main character

[versed helm]

he using plot armor at this point

[gray sedge]

Cortana said it best, He is a lucky green super soilder

[spring elbow]

btw songs in the credits are beautiful

[versed helm]

not to be a buzz kill to legit everyone but can we please put master chief to rest for a bit

[versed helm]

yes

[spring elbow]

Shame what happened to the forerunners

[versed helm]

i think they are alive and in hiding somewhere because this would have to stay classified

[spring elbow]

well

Didact was forerunner

[versed helm]

hmmmmm

[spring elbow]

so was Librarian .. I think they all died but not sure

all that was left were personality imprints

[versed helm]

makes sense tbh

[gray sedge]

Forerunner as ugly as heck

[versed helm]

yea the forerunner by what we know are wiped out

[spring elbow]

they tried something with immortality but they failed and when they tried to get back into normal forms it failed again so thats why they ugly

[gray sedge]

Forerunners one day: I am ugly I have had enough of this pandemic, time to nuke the universe and choose a bunch of apes with less hair than usual to succeed us

[spring elbow]

😂

[gray sedge]

And let’s not choose the 7ft mandibled dinosaurs, or the hyper intelligent Darth Sidious lookalikes, and for some reason let’s not choose the gods of the universe(grunts)

Anyway any random lore facts anyone has

[stable flower]

Gold Sentinels are officially named Eliminators now.

[marsh tapir]

Cortana is 7 years old i think

I dont remember

[versed helm]

she is 11 by halo infinite

which one? the one in Halo 2/3 is thel vadam

[odd oxide]

What's the other one

[versed helm]

halo wars 1 arbiter is ripa moramee

[odd oxide]

There is another one...

It is very obscure..

[versed helm]

there’s been many lmao, you need to be more specific

you can’t just say “the arbiter”

[odd oxide]

You can see it in the OG halo 3

[versed helm]

thel vadam is the only arbiter in halo 3

[odd oxide]

The arby's birth name

[versed helm]

there’s only 1 arbiter at a given time

thel vadam is his birth name

[odd oxide]

It is Shirley

[marsh tapir]

Ah

[versed helm]

nooo that’s just an easter egg

[odd oxide]

But it's true

#839990968128110643 message

[versed helm]

7 is the age ai’s start going through rampancy

[versed helm]

first, shirley is referring to ripa moramee, and it’s a “claim” not true by what we know

the easter egg is from “Naked Gun series which also appears in the movie Airplane!: "Surely you can't be serious!?" "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley!"”

[fair hazel]

Oh hey guys guess what?

Halo: Divine wind can be discussed today

outside of spoiler

[stable flower]

Looks like the SOF is never leaving the Ark

[sinful remnant]

Guys I have a doubt, if the forerunner shield worlds protected the diadect from the Halo array blast, why didn't the other forerunner hide in the shield worlds AND fire the array? Seems like they would have wiped out the flood AND survived?

[gilded mason]

The last Forerunners were outside the Halo's range anyway, so it was moot point.

[sinful remnant]

So then the forerunners are alive?

[gilded mason]

Some might be. The last ones to survive left the galaxy or hid themselves away. So it's possible a few of them survived to the modern day.

[sinful remnant]

Do you have a source where I can read more about these? I thought they all died

[gilded mason]

Forerunner trilogy, a couple stories in Fractures, and kinda-sorta a part in Point of Light.

[brisk current]

I thought they were confirmed dead in Halo 4 when the librarian was talking to Chief

[gilded mason]

I don't think so?

[sinful remnant]

I was just reading the wiki, apparently some of them survived and went to another Galaxy. Turns out that even the precursors might have some survivors

[brisk current]

interesting

[versed helm]

Ten.

[versed helm]

I don't think the flood is in the campaign at all...

[versed helm]

Nope.

Imagine Flood Battle Royale...

The circle is the Flood.

[versed helm]

Who'd win? The Flood at its peak? Or The Doomslayer?

[gilded mason]

At its peak would be an easy victory for the Flood.

[versed helm]

The Doomslayer and the Night Sentinels?

[gilded mason]

I don't know much about them

[tacit charm]

flood because out of his universe where god does not reside, doomguy sleep

[last anchor]

Capable against Demons, nothing more.
None of their armor is sealed. Most of them walk around with exposed skin.

Infection form spam would do what it does.

[scarlet linden]

So I needed a little help regarding MasterChief's Armor : I know that Mk 7 prototypes has Nanobot repair modules to repair damage to the suit, so does the Gen 3 suit Chief wears have them?

I also heard that his thigh Armor got slagged a little bit on SoR from Banshee Plasma fire, so how was it repaired?

[thick oriole]

actually doomguy would be woken up when he was needed, and if a flood outbreak was happening and it needed doomguys attention, he'd probably win.

[versed helm]

I wonder if Elephants (as in the animal, not the vehicle) still exist during the events of Halo. If not then I guess the Halo rings really screwed them up

[sullen ridge]

that's pointed out in the rion forge novels

elephants probably still are in use on some planets but probably not that much anymore by the military itself as troop transport wise since the introduction of the mammoth

Oliphants (civilian version) are probably still in widespread use

[thick mason]

Flood at peak would definitely win

[sullen ridge]

flood at it's initial stage would lose

[thick mason]

Oh mb wrong reply

[sullen ridge]

but flood that's space traveling

[thick mason]

Yeah initial stage is pleb stuff but peak?...... That is a different type of demon

[sullen ridge]

if flood can go intergalactic

doomguy loses

especially with how they evolve

[thick mason]

And flood is smart af

[sullen ridge]

doomguy isn't used against carriers

yeah after enough assimilation

they could prob figure out how to use carriers

and i don't see doomguy surviving energy projectors or shivas

[thick mason]

And we haven't talked about the small flood thing i forget their names but the ones that crawl

Doom guy is unshielded to them

[sullen ridge]

infection forms?

[thick mason]

Yes

[versed helm]

Huh, looks like Mammoths did exist in the Halo universe on Installation 00 but had 4 tusks & white fur

[sullen ridge]

doubt he survives getting swarmed without shielding and a/or a flamethrower

[thick mason]

Sounds like a mix between prehistoric elephants and snowy mammpths

[versed helm]

Yeah, Elephants did have like 4 tusks back during (I think?) the Miocene

[thick mason]

I imagine they were used the same as modern elephants but the extra tusk were replacements in case a tree broke it due to thick trees

[versed helm]

Master Chief vs Itachi Uchiha?

[scarlet linden]

Ez

Anime breaks Physics rules like a bakery cracks eggs every morning

Anime physics make no sense at all

Not until you get into forerunner stuff

And even Forerunners tend to make sense once you have watched Animes like Dragon Ball and Naruto

[terse lava]

@versed helm elephants are still around, if I recall, they were advertises at the nature reserve in ODST

[valid hemlock]

top 10 characters that could beat Thanos (even with the infinity gauntlet)

[strong tinsel]

The ring sorta makes sense since it spins

[noble fjord]

Why was Noble 1 leader and not George

[noble fjord]

What doesn't make sense is why a device designed to wipe out all sentient life is also designed to be inhabited and cultivate life.

[carmine sleet]

Elephants are definitely about, and the Halo rings being fired isn't important to if they're still about as they weren't fired after the first activation which is long before even our current real life year

[carmine sleet]

To help with conserving life

[strong tinsel]

Ye sort of

The rings were also technically a sanctuary for the study and presevation of multiple species

[stable flower]

That's kinda ironic

[fair hazel]

Those aren’t mammoths

[proper spoke]

if halo infinite is taking place somewhere in 2560 then why in the map Streets are retro arcade machines used if those machines are like 580+ years old. Idk I’ve been thinking about this

[stable flower]

Human tech is known to be very craptastic in the Halo universe. They don't even have flying cars.

[proper spoke]

I think that’s to make it look like this future seems possible

idk I’d just think in the future arcade machines would be more… advanced??? idk how to put it

[terse lava]

Always found that random marine in HW quite accurate to this, "its 2531, and we still don't have flying cars!"

[stable flower]

Did John intentionally crash the Banshee at the beginning of The Maw?

[pulsar grail]

Yes

[honest trout]

No

It was damaged already

[crimson roost]

It was intentionally

[honest trout]

Not if you read the book

The steering cuts out at the last second

[crimson roost]

I haven't read the book
But it looked intentionally
But you are maybe right

[honest trout]

👍

[rough spire]

Didn’t look intentional to me👀

[unique rune]

They don't even have flying cars.
I mean, probably for the better, considering flying cars are an absolutely terrible idea.

[radiant hamlet]

Hear me out guys, master chief is green now just hear me out here, green is a colour and what else is a colour, Red so MASTER CHIEF IS THE IMPOSTER 😱

[dawn isle]

Could anyone summarise how humanity is in a war and is losing against the brutes?

I feel like people and multiple sources have tried to skip over this event.

[stuck perch]

Do you guys think the flood will be in infinite?

[dawn isle]

it WILL be in infinite.

It was shown in the campaign previews and trailers.

[carmine sleet]

The Flood definitely has not been shown in campaign previews or trailers for the game

[dawn isle]

Yes, it is.

Edit: It’s will probably be planned for a future expansion after the game release.

It isn’t in the trailers, however it will probably be coming.

[gilded mason]

Got a timestamp for where that was said?

[dawn isle]

Not in a video.

[gilded mason]

Where at, then?

[dawn isle]

Wait, let me change the phrasing of my statement.

[humble yacht]

You think the flood will come in an expansion, you’re almost certain

That it?

[dawn isle]

essentially, yes

[gilded mason]

Ah...

[dawn isle]

cannot confirm nor deny that the flood is coming, but the chances are very, very high.

no one can for now.

[humble yacht]

Fancy way of saying “hope”

[dawn isle]

does anyone have an answer?

every video that i have seen that covered the time gap between infinite and halo 5 briefly skimmed over this

[humble yacht]

Play infinite to find out

[gilded mason]

Because Covenant tech is better than UNSC tech for the most part, this was a single battle, and there could be other circumstances to them winning this battle, like the Harbinger

[dawn isle]

yes but are the brutes

primarily ground based

[gilded mason]

They have ships

[dawn isle]

alr ty

[hybrid rampart]

God I hope the flood comes back

[humble yacht]

Big nope from me

[marble parcel]

I mean it’s most likely gonna happen since they were in Halo Wars 2 fighting the banished. I think it’d be interesting, especially since there are a bunch of new flood forms.

[gilded mason]

Why would them being in HW2 mean they'll be in Infinite?

[marble parcel]

Well the banished are in infinite, so to me it’s not too big of a stretch to assume they’ll be in the game later on.

[sullen ridge]

you didn't play awakening the nightmare did you

only reason they were there is remnants on from floodified high charity and an idiot breaking the containment field

[gilded mason]

^

[marble parcel]

Yeah I played it. But think about it, all it would take is one flood spore getting onto a banished ship for them to spread. The flood have survived worse than what happened at the end of awakening the nightmare

[sullen ridge]

getting off of the ark is not as simple as you'd think

besides they're on the ark

Sentinels there are trillions

flood ain't getting off that anytime soon

[gilded mason]

A single lich left the ark, and none of the people on it were infected.

And then the lich went right back to the Ark afterwards

[marble parcel]

So how are the banished in infinite if no significant amount of banished left the ark?

[gilded mason]

Because the Banished on the Ark were a small sample of total Banished assets

[sullen ridge]

shadows of reach explains that

and that too

[marble parcel]

I wouldn’t really say small.

[sullen ridge]

they got on the ark with barely any forces through an ark portal

[marble parcel]

Yeah initially, but over time they’ve built up a pretty large force there.

[gilded mason]

Small or not, it wasn't the entire Banished there, which is the main point

[sullen ridge]

banished were cut off too at the time of hw2

[marble parcel]

Didn’t know that, but I’ve never read shadows of reach.

All I’m sayin is why would 343 go through the time and trouble of adding a new iteration of the flood to HW2 just to never have them appear ever again? Specially since we’re fighting on a Halo ring. Seems like a good setting for such a thing.

It would’ve been like them having the banished appear in HW2 just to never give them a spotlight in the mainline games.

[unique rune]

All I’m sayin is why would 343 go through the time and trouble of adding a new iteration of the flood to HW2 just to never have them appear ever again?
Because Halo titles just kinda... do that sometimes?

Halo 3's Flood pure forms have never returned in any capacity. None of Halo Wars' unique Flood forms ever got brought into the FPS titles.

[inner basin]

Fan service for the most part

[last anchor]

Which is a massive shame IMO

[marble parcel]

I could be wrong, but I always got the impression that the flood forms with all the yellow sacks and stuff on their bodies were 343’s take on pure flood forms.

And yeah, though the majority of content from HW games that never appears elsewhere are the vehicles.

But overall, if somehow the flood did return, what would y’all think of it?
I think it would be cool, but I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks about it

[still halo]

So are the flood back?

[sullen ridge]

no idea

[gray sedge]

I would enjoy the flood

[still halo]

Would be cool to sss them back at some point, possibly a dlc campaign or new map

[sullen ridge]

the flood coming back in small bits sure but not make them a completely changing factor

a mission about a mini outbreak that you can contain pretty quick would seem OK

but reintroducing them as a dominating factor again would be meh

[still halo]

I mean maybe potentially like a tower or outpost has been experimenting with the flood deep underground or something and the banished took it over only to discover the flood and be infected

[marble parcel]

I agree to some extent. I don’t think they should be as big a threat as they were in Halo 3. Maybe have them be similar to how they were in Halo CE where they were only at protogravemind intelligence?

[versed helm]

sup

[versed helm]

I’m thinking of replaying every game before infinite should I start with reach or h1

[spring elbow]

Reach if you want to follow the story

[tacit flame]

I just thought of something, why doesn't Master Chief catastrophically explode upon death? The MJOLNIR armor has a built-in fusion reactor, which would theoretically melt down from plasma fire overheating it.

Plus, I would assume that the reactor is regulated by the neural interface as well, so the death of the Spartan would cause the reactor to melt down.

That would be an interesting way of destroying a Scarab, just throw a Spartan at it, if the Spartan succeeds, the Scarab dies, if the Spartan dies, the Scarab still dies.

[versed helm]

Do Brutes count as furries

[gilded mason]

Sure

[vivid oyster]

Bahahah

[versed helm]

Oj mu god theu do

Oh i cant type

1 am got me feelin like

[last anchor]

Fusion reactors, despite their fictional depiction (looking at you, Stackpole in Battletech) dont usually explode when breached.
Their internal systems are, for the most part, actually rather stable.
More than likely, if a reactor does suffer a breach, it will merely vent through whatever hold it has in it, releasing a directed burst of ultrahot hydrogen/helium gas, and then proceed to shut down as it runs out of fuel.

Also, no, the reactor isnt connected to the neural interface. The "overload" system is manually triggered mainly as an asset denial feature to ensure the MJLONIR kit and the Spartan inside dont fall into enemy hands (see; Grace on the Unyeliding Heirophant and Freds cast off armor in Last Light).

From wikipedia;

"Fusion reactors are not subject to catastrophic meltdown. It requires precise and controlled temperature, pressure and magnetic field parameters to produce net energy, and any damage or loss of required control would rapidly quench the reaction. Fusion reactors operate with seconds or even microseconds worth of fuel at any moment. Without active refueling, the reactions immediately quench."

[noble fjord]

OK let's be realistic here

Odds on Osiris surviving Infinite?

I don't hate Locke and would hate to see him just gone

[last anchor]

Probably fairly high considering they, like Blue Team, are off-screen.

Buck will live, hes not with them anymore, hes with Alpha-9 again and therefor safe

Lockes probably the only one in danger and again, we have no confrimation hes dead.

Just that a Brute has a Hunter-class helmet.

[noble fjord]

as safe as you can be in the current state of the Halo universe

[versed helm]

whats yal opinions on the scaled down jorge cover skin for infinite, personally make it a little taller and slightly more bulky, keeping close with lore but still no advantages or disadvantages

[bronze schooner]

People who only play multiplayer may not like that because it would be too big of a hitbox

And not wear it

[unique rune]

I just don’t like that it doesn’t have the field pack Jorge had.

[proud bison]

Has anyone caught the name of the elite that says “Welcome to my tower, Master Chief”?

I’d love to read up on him later.

[unique rune]

He’s called Chak ‘Lok.

[humble yacht]

Wrong channel

[nova comet]

Oh shoot ur right

[patent dagger]

Is there a lore explanation for where Jun went after Reach? I feel like I'm ignoring something.

[gilded mason]

He became one of the heads of the SIV branch

Discussed in Initiation and New Blood

[patent dagger]

Yeah, I knew that, but I wanted a bit more info.

[gilded mason]

Second message will help ya, then

[patent dagger]

Didn't read anything associated with Halo 5 :troll:

[tacit charm]

in a cave

along with the rest of noble

[patent dagger]

lmao

[south matrix]

Since Atriox is more powerful than the a Spartan 2. How will he fair compare to somebody like Thanos

[tacit charm]

hmm

he becomes thanos' bich

[south matrix]

I saw how he defeated the 3 Spartan 2s in Halo Wars 2

Not sure if he will have an equal match to fight against

In other universes

Not sure if Darksied can fight against Atriox

[tacit charm]

wat

iam genuinely curious why you think that

[south matrix]

I just want to know the limits of his abilities

So at least I can place a fair question on how well will he fight against other beefies

[tacit charm]

well

unless you're using the time where darkseid worked at a mcdonalds and got mugged respectively

its not even close

[twilit granite]

peak thanos legit could snap the entire banished away lmfao

[fiery nacelle]

atriox is a military mastermind hes not inherently godlike or superpowered

he would lose to someone like darkseid or thanos ez

he is very strong tho, I think the easiest way to look at it is Atriox is like batman

hes not op just for the sake of being op, he is smart, and very strong because real factors

[south matrix]

How will he fair against Bane or Kal-El (Superman)

[tacit charm]

depends which bane

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-no-stop-gif-21382215

as the woman banged a random dude's body that is being possessed by her deceased boyfriend said - kal el no

[fiery nacelle]

lose obviously

unless he got his hands on some kryptonite

then I would say he wins 100 percent

[south matrix]

How about Optimus Primal?

The Maximal Transformer that transforms into a Mecha-Gorilla

[hearty peak]

Optimum Pride

[wild vault]

I literally just finished watching a video about that show

[south matrix]

ah

[south matrix]

LMAO

[fair hazel]

No memes

[tacit flame]

Ah, so that's why a cloud of green gas comes out of the Spartan's back on death? It's the fusion reactor venting its contents?

[unique rune]

Green gas…?

[winged trail]

did the halo 5 armor get retconned or something

for spartan 4s

[unique rune]

No.

GEN2 armor from 4 and 5 has just been replaced in Infinite (thus far) with the newer GEN3 platform.

[winged trail]

i like that the new armor resembles the mark V

just improved

the armor in halo 5 was really ugly imo they looked like toys

[unique rune]

Quite frankly I’m still bothered by how bland a lot of the GEN3 armor looks.

I like the new Mk.VII helmet a lot, but the rest has all just looked very… dull. They’re not really bad, just very safe and uninteresting.

Especially unhappy with the redesigned Anubis-class helmet.

[winged trail]

will look better with attachments or accessories

was naomi the first one to wear the vii

they need to make the helmets universal

with all platforms

[unique rune]

Naomi’s Mk.VII GEN1 armor is the first suit known to have been fielded, but it’s arguably possible that some earlier prototype could have seen use before she received hers.

[winged trail]

ah

[last anchor]

You're thinking of the methane burst when you melee a grunt Im pretty sure

[terse lava]

Thats blue methane though, not green

[last anchor]

I swore it was green.
Maybe Im thinking of the Carbine

[valid moat]

so since multiplayer is canon, does that mean certain spartan 4s canonically wear mark v b armor or is armor customization non-canon?

[terse lava]

I assume however people make their spartan or Sangheili look, would be their canon appearance

[unique rune]

Spartan-IVs canonically can request older generation Mjolnir components that have been updated for compatibility with GEN2/3 systems. Off the top of my head I can’t recall any named S-IVs who do, but it would be canonically possible for them to make use of updated Mk.IV or Mk.V[B] components.

[halcyon remnant]

what generation of Spartans are the new recruits in Halo Infinite

[deep pewter]

IVs

[pine comet]

Those would still be IV's

I don't know if I see the UNSC having a Spartan V program anytime soon

[deep pewter]

There’s really no need for a V program

[stable flower]

I wonder what Vs would even be

[valid moat]

spartan vs would have to be either a return to war crimes OR an improved iv program

[dawn isle]

canonically possible but logically it’s not

[obsidian thistle]

Hmmm

Yea

They can aha

Halo 5: Guardians had this with the older helmets!

Its why us at Halopedia have a section on how its compatible on GEN2 hardware/software. (Though noting it was largely replaced) https://www.halopedia.org/CQB-class_Mjolnir#GEN2_overview

[humble yacht]

saves the UNSC some money so there's some logic to it

[gray sedge]

Elites after destroying east Africa- Another Glassing another day

[gray sedge]

The logic is a software update ain’t that hard in the 26th century and angry Spartans are something no one wants to deal with

[gaunt oak]

Do not tag Admins or Moderators unless immediate action is needed. If you see anything that does not abide by these rules and guidelines, please tag a Moderator to bring it to their attention.

[gray sedge]

OH GOD THAT WAS A MOD

I am ready to be banned

[sullen ridge]

i love the smell of plasma in the morning

[gray sedge]

Fresh brute on the Barbecue

Wort - Haw

🤠

[versed helm]

the mastur cheef destroy big space ring

Why does this have no slowmode but general has a 45 second one

[gray sedge]

Well done you explained the CE plot

[gray sedge]

Less people use this chat

[versed helm]

barely anyone is talking in general rn

45 seconds is a crime

[gray sedge]

Infinite early drip pushed 343 to increase slow mode for ten seconds to 45

That is when it happened

[versed helm]

Alright at least it'll slow down eventualy

[gray sedge]

Anyway any L O R E to be discussed

And random overthinking to do

[versed helm]

lore bad, spinkr quad kill good

[gray sedge]

Quad kill is when you feel like Chief in the novels

[haughty kayak]

Can somebody please confirm if this meme is lore accurate

Dang I can’t post it here

[valid hemlock]

No, the suit doesn't do that

[haughty kayak]

I know what you’re talking about and no it’s not that

[valid hemlock]

Then cool, what's the question

[haughty kayak]

Well it was a meme about serial designation for some of the spartan suits

But I don’t know where to post the image

[gilded mason]

Do you have a link to the image?

[haughty kayak]

No But I have it saved to my phone

[gray sedge]

Oof

[haughty kayak]

It was about the Jerome-092 and Douglas-042

[gilded mason]

Send the image to me, then

[gray sedge]

What was the meme

I shall know

[gilded mason]

It was a meme poking fun at people saying that Jerome looks cooler than Douglas, while the image in the background shows them both looking exactly the same.

[sharp olive]

What is a good starting point for halo

Like what games should I play to get familiar with the games lore

[gilded mason]

CE > 2 > 3 > ODST > Reach > Halo 4 > Halo 5

[sharp olive]

Alright

Thanks

[fervent gull]

YouTube works too for lore

[marble hinge]

I wonder whatever happened to nicole-458 a spartan 2

[sullen ridge]

damn go by chronological order in game

and do reach, ce,2,odst,3,4,5

[valid hemlock]

Nah, it's way better (imo) doing it on release date, you get more familiarized with the sandbox and enemies

[reef owl]

I like Ostral's suggestion

I'm also looking to familiarize myself from scratch

[humble yacht]

trapped in another dimension with kung fu fighters, iirc

[valid hemlock]

That's an oddly piece of lore if I say so myself

[humble yacht]

well it's odd that a Halo character would appear in a dead or alive game

[valid hemlock]

not that odd, as thel vadam himself appeared in killer instinct

[humble yacht]

not the same arbiter

the Arbiter in killer instinct is kinda a mish mash of other arbiters

[valid hemlock]

you get it tho, odd that halo characters end on figthing games but not that odd

[humble yacht]

it's because halo is popular

don't think too hard about the canonical justifications, they're separate from actual halo canon

[valid hemlock]

yeah sure, don't really think people would scratch hard their heads looking for something that connects master chief with fortnite

[unique rune]

I still have trouble not associating the Chief's Mk.VI GEN3 with Fortnite.

[versed helm]

This is stupid but how do you train like a spartan 2?

Gym wise and diet

[fiery nacelle]

I think its something like 3 hours of morning cardio thats all I remember from the books

thats every day

[unique rune]

Maybe try getting kidnapped for a secret government super soldier project as a child first

[versed helm]

What about weights?

[versed helm]

God I wish

[fiery nacelle]

I don't know but John can flip a warthog

try maybe 500-700 pounds for most weight exercises as your bare minimum/warmup

[versed helm]

Yes Based

[versed helm]

Alright

Planning to train with weighted vest

[fiery nacelle]

good luck and I am not a doctor so if u die not my fault

[versed helm]

And running with it

[versed helm]

Thanks

Too bad I'm like 1.8 m

Not tall enough for a spartan

[storm dome]

https://www.halopedia.org/Palace_of_Pain

[fluid plover]

reach was set before CE

[gilded mason]

And?

[fluid plover]

nothin

just sayin

[gilded mason]

I know. They asked what order to play, not what was chronological.

[versed helm]

Wish halo odst 2 comes out

[fluid plover]

lol odst 2 would be wicked

imagine odst 2 on zeta halo

[humble yacht]

Odst 2: buck makes a sandwich

[fluid plover]

cant have the same group though

[compact hinge]

Spartan 4's are just ODST's in power armor change my mind

[unique rune]

I mean, clearly you aren't going to change your mind considering you worded it like that.

[storm dome]

Spartan IVs are like Dollar Tree Spartans.

Or Great Value Spartans.

[stable flower]

They have kinda overshadowed ODSTs TBH

[stable flower]

I wonder how much worse the rivalry between ODSTs and Spartans has gotten since the latter got their own branch.

[compact hinge]

Given some ODT's became spartana IV i suopose it lowered

[stark anchor]

Whoever design the architecture of the forerunners in bungie or 343, the ones in the trilogy are amazing. The beacon tower is iconic as ever but i want to point out the concept art of the citadel. The one in halo 3. It looks like a gothic cathedral but advanced and futuristic thing. Its beautiful

[west wedge]

When was the last time engineers were mentioned

[stark anchor]

There's flying buttress that just make the building/architecture so medieval

Not sure when its mention, but last appearance, Halo wars 2

[gray solstice]

So random thought, how did the CSO in H:Reach get down to the surface undetected.

[unique rune]

Plot-induced stupidity

[gray solstice]

Like its a big fat plot hole right?

[stable flower]

The UNSC is known to be migraine-inducingly stupid at times

[gray solstice]

Figure cherenkov radiation which would be massive

The fact its a 29km long mass

How in the hell does that slip past

[unique rune]

I try not to think about it anymore because it’s not worth getting upset over

[gray solstice]

LMAO

[fair hazel]

Let's not discuss such things here.

[versed helm]

Do we have any information regarding the God or god's that are worshipped by the covenant species prior to their new belief system? Or is it entirely post-covenant?

[obtuse edge]

They always believed the Forerunners to be demi Gods

They said God's, but it was said a couple of times demi Gods, and that's more realistic

They regarded them gods once they went on the great journey

As they went from such a technological species that were basically demi Gods to actual God's in the covenant's eyes

[gray solstice]

The Sanghelli worshipped the Forerunners, the Lekgolo are pretty vague but its accepted that they held some reverence for the Forerunner technologies, the Unggoy don't technically have any recorded history at this point regarding their religion, and the Kigyar are largely atheistic in principle serving for monetary gain rather than religious purpose.

[unique rune]

Most of it has been related to their time as part of Covenant, or after the Covenant’s fall, but there’s been some info on the various client species pre-Covenant beliefs.

The Jiralhanae apparently had some religion based around Doisac’s lunar cycles as well as worship of totems and idols.

We have the most information on Sangheili mythology (probably unsurprisingly) relating to deities like Urs and Fied, among other things.
There’s that whole thing about the Ballad of Kel ‘Darsam originally introduced in Shadow of Intent.

[gray solstice]

Its kinda weird tbh, they were known to revere the forerunner structures with fervor, yet had their own religious pantheon in the background.

Only reason we know of the Sangheilis reverence of the Forerunners as gods prior to the formation of the Covenant is in the Sangheili-San'Shyuum war

[drowsy mesa]

ODST are more disciplined than spartan 4 tbh

[limber dagger]

Yeah, since they are consenting adults, it's pretty likely they are gonna develop some sort of superiority complex. I think they are probably more disciplined in actual combat however. Most of them probably are ODSTs that made the transition. Weird how there are certain civilians that can go straight from civilian to spartan with no other real military experience.

[strong tinsel]

Every unsc personnel member has some form of augmentation

[sullen ridge]

among other odst's yes, it's known that a lot didn't get along that well with non helljumpers

[humble yacht]

Considering some of the most prominent SIV were former ODSTs, I don’t think that’s accurate

Both divisions have your Romeos and your DeMarcos

[dusky glen]

I wonder what's the reason the Banished hates humanity. But iirc someone said that they also allow humans to join their ranks?

[humble yacht]

It’s not fully clear

When Atriox first formed the banished he said he didn’t have any personal gripes with humanity

But after the spirit of fire ruined his plans, he might have developed some animosity towards humans in general

[dusky glen]

I hope that explained in the campaign. I also thought if he does accept human in their ranks, it would be an united Insurrectionist forces, and we have to fight them at some point

[humble yacht]

Lol that’s not gonna happen

Remember the banished are pirates, they steal from anyone, including innies

[dusky glen]

and also scavengers as well

[scarlet hinge]

Atriox has no beef with humans

however, the clans in the Banished can set their own rules

Escharum doesn't like humans and doesn't permit them in his ranks

[humble yacht]

He did in SoR

[scarlet hinge]

in Divine Wind they clarify the issue further - Pavium and Voridus' clan actively had humans in it

a lot of humans on the ark started to defect to the Spirit of Fire, however

[humble yacht]

Welp thanks for spoiling

Lol

[dusky glen]

oof

[scarlet hinge]

it's a very minor part of the book, FWIW - not much to do with the actual plot

my bad though - wasn't aware it was still a no-go here

[humble yacht]

It’s not a no go but still

Would have been nice to get warned

I’m still reading

[scarlet hinge]

ah, my bad

[hallow siren]

I want to comment something on #483759756566069258 but I need clarification first. How many versions of the Mjolnir are there? 7? How many do we see in game?

[dire quarry]

Seems like they are on Gen 7...I believe we only see Gen 4 and up in game.

Gen 4 belonging to red team before they got their shielding upgrades among other things I believe?

Master Chief starts with Gen 5 which was similar but had the energy shielding and portable power etc

If I'm not mistaken

[scarlet hinge]

you're mistaken yeah - Mark IV was issued to all Spartan-IIs in 2525

back then it wasn't called Mark IV, as that system wasn't a thing yet

instead, Halsey and ONI were rapidly developing new prototypes and custom-made equipment on the weekly

in the 2530s, the project was retroactively named Mark IV for budgetary reasons (to Halsey's chagrin)

Mark V issued in 2551, with teams like Noble beginning to use the Mark V (B) stuff in this time

Mark V as you'll be most familiar with used in CE was issued to 117 in late August of 2552, and Mark VI was issued to him two months later in October

Energy shielding was sporadically tested on the Mark IV testbeds throughout the war including Red Team's armour and the Grenadier permutation (the one used by Jorge)

the major upgrade that Mark V had was the integration of a liquid crystal layer that let the suit host a smart AI inside it

[scarlet hinge]

here's a full list of every MJOLNIR variant;

https://www.halopedia.org/Category:MJOLNIR_armor

[hallow siren]

Right now in Infinite. There's just Mark VII & Mark V B

[dire quarry]

That's just because they want us to pay for all the cosmetics

[humble yacht]

They’re on Gen3

Within each gen, there are different “marks”

[lost yoke]

The Chief´s new armor is a Mark VI Gen 3 or a Mark VII Gen 3?

[scarlet hinge]

GEN3 Mark VI

the whole delineation with how they catagorise this stuff is pretty much entirely subject to how they wanna make stuff for multiplayer/branding, so there's only a tenuous thread of consistency in-universe

part of the reason they're renaming a lot of the GEN2 ones in Infinite is because it got too difficult to track internally

there's also a couple times when names get swapped accidentally like Operator and Aviator in H4 - which are called Pilotand Mongoose(or sometimes BMX) in the files

which makes sense, given how Operator looks more like a fighter pilot helmet and Aviator resembles a dirt bike helmet

[gray solstice]

Think of the Gens as the Smartphone and the MK the operating system, gens move up giving higher hardware allowances for the operating systems to be built off of.

Whenever a model hits the height of its modularity and upgradability, the inclination is to well

Make new hardware to support new modularity and upgradability

[scarlet hinge]

somewhat

GEN1 -> GEN2 is the start of Mjolnir becoming more privatised and modular, along with focuses more toward lightweight construction

realistically there's not much reason why the Mark system should really continue after this point, beyond being Iconic™️ (and this is somewhat lampshaded in-universe too)

[gray solstice]

Because if they gave a mythological name to the suit Chief iconically wears, people would probably find a billion ways to be upset about it

[scarlet hinge]

the big changing factor though is that corporations begin construction hundreds (IMO, way too many) of suits to start earning contracts from the UNSC

[scarlet hinge]

pretty much, sadly

[strong tinsel]

Technically 9

[gray solstice]

So I just adorn my Master Chief thigh highs, and cry internally in the overly complicated armor system

[strong tinsel]

Mk 1 to 7, gen 2, gen 3

[gray solstice]

What

The GEN3 is the baseline model for the MKVII

[scarlet hinge]

Marks I-III were never employed by Spartans

they predate the program entirely

[strong tinsel]

They sorta count as mjolnir

[scarlet hinge]

they're not really relevant to discussions of it as it would be thought of in a modern context

[gray solstice]

The GENs dont count as MJOLNIR versions so much as MJOLNIR templates.

For which the MK print armors are built off the gen chassis

[scarlet hinge]

(the in-universe reasoning behind how the Mark system came about is fun to boot; it's all based on some fan misinterpretations back in the day)

the best way to consider it is akin to console generations, really

the 7th gen consoles include the PS3, X360 and Wii

the 8th gen included the XB1, PS4 and Switch

it's just like that but much bigger

[gray solstice]

Gen2 is the only GEN chassis without its own MJOLNIR MK variation now that I think about it.

[strong tinsel]

What about gen 3

[gray solstice]

Since MKVI was built on Gen1

Then upgraded

GEN3 has MKVII

[carmine sleet]

Mark VII was originally Gen 1

[gray solstice]

Was it actually?

Oh wait, because of Naomi

So that means the only model with an original MK variation is GEN1.

[lunar drum]

Pretty much

[scarlet hinge]

Mark VII was also testbedded across a few GEN2 variants

Navigator, Decimator and KEYSTONE all hosted technologies used in the Mark VII project

[humble yacht]

GEN2 was mainstreamed over mark vii gen1 due to cost effectiveness, iirc

[gray solstice]

So I did wonder this actually

With all the more common variations of MJOLNIR, the colossal level of overlap in some of the functionalities

Like after a point the UNSC should have asked "why the heck do we have 140 variations of the same armor system"

[humble yacht]

Same reason why Apple has 14 variations of the same phone

[limber dagger]

Different functions for different specialties.

[gray solstice]

There's alot of overlap in function if you look into them

like 4-5 EOD type variants exist

[limber dagger]

Yes of course, but they have minor differences that are better suited to very specific specialties and missions.

I'm honestly surprised Spartans don't entirely switch suits more often depending on their mission.

I think the iPhone analogy is best. They all make calls and send texts. Basic functionality is the same. The differences are in the details for different use cases.

[gray solstice]

Looks at the 7 flight variants

Internal sobbing

[unkempt harness]

fard

[limber dagger]

Also, considering many MJOLNIR variants are made by private companies, I'm assuming there are a bunch of variants made just because they have the funding for it, rather than an actual explicit need for the version from the UNSC. Companies are just making variants to try to sell them to the UNSC and hope they stick for some mission/ use case

The inefficiency of government spendings/ funding is absurd.

You would think that saving money would get you a pat on the back. Nope, all it means is that you get less money the next time you request it.

[gray solstice]

Like, is this why we still fund regular mongooses and not just deploying entirely gungooses?

Like heck

[stable flower]

"You know how expensive this gear is, son?"

[unique rune]

not just deploying entirely gungooses?
To be fair, it's not like every application of the Mongoose is going to need guns. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gungoose is just a modification package that can be fitted in the field with relative ease.

[gray solstice]

In jest of course, but yeah no it's kinda weird how spending in the UNSC went down

[lunar drum]

Is the UNSC contracting multiple companies to make MJOLNIR? If so, then doesn't that make the armor less secret? I would expect for the UNSC to make that as secret as possible.

[gray solstice]

why lol

[lunar drum]

Because it's MJOLNIR armor? Because it's their most technologically advanced equipment to be used by a single person?

[gray solstice]

I forget, was the prototype suit from HALO Legends canonized?

[unique rune]

They've worked with other companies on MJOLNIR development since the Mk.V platform, with variants like Commando and Air Assault being designed by Chalybs Defense Solutions and Ushuaia Armory respectively.

[unique rune]

Yeah, it's officially designated as the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mk.I Armor Defense System.

[gray solstice]

Then that is technically the most advanced equipment to be used by a single person.

Well in terms of armor function

To my understanding, it makes sense that they divided up the specialization workload between other companies, rather than seek to try and make all these innovations with a smaller staff and workload capability

Spread out the task and see what the flock can establish

[unique rune]

Pretty much. GEN2's spiral development model allows for more frequent and constant iteration. In a lot of ways it's very similar to Dr. Halsey's original plan to constantly develop MJOLNIR armor and gradually roll out improvements before budget restraints forced her into the "Mark" designation system.

[gray solstice]

Heck, MJOLNIR was originally going to have a shoulder mounted projectile launcher

[versed helm]

Is there a reason Spartans/Chiefs shields aren't like General/Field Marshal Elite grades?

[unique rune]

Human tech limitations probably

[versed helm]

Shielding could be considered pretty new for Humanity, although they have been experimenting with it for decades after the start of the HCW, it wasn't until 2551-2552 when they succeed and applied it into MJOLNIR armor.

Human Technology is not as advanced and it seemed to be impossibme to adapt to energy shielding.

[frozen moth]

didnt they reverse engineer shielding from a kig-yar gauntlet they recovered?

[versed helm]

Mhm.

But it took a very long time for them to crack it successfully.

[versed helm]

If you ask why their shielding isn't as powerful, as said before, it's thanks to technological, engineering and scientist differences and difficulties between Human and Covenant-like technology.

There's a clear lack of knowledge and advance with Humanity about this, apparently.

[frozen moth]

i wonder how the shields actually fair against gun and plasma fire, outside of gameplay

[versed helm]

It's known that the next generations and versions of the MJOLNIR have upgraded shielding as time passes.

[versed helm]

Any sort of heat applied to the shielding or certain type of power destroys it.

At first it was thought that only plasma and energy could take down shielding.

But as seen with, let's see.. Hellbringers?

They were the best UNSC infantry forces thanks to their flamethrowers, which destroyed shielding in a few seconds and burned their opponents with efficiency.

This implies that constant high temperatures such as fire or plasma are the most efficient ways to take energy shielding down.

Plasma also melts and burns for several seconds, serving as afterburn, however, I don't know if this affects shielding.

[frozen moth]

always amuses me how lorewise plasma will boil you inside out

and in game the plasma pistol is like being tickled

[versed helm]

Yeah.

Gameplay mechanics.

Best way to avoid getting melted by plasma is directly remove any affected piece, in my opinion.

If you're hit in the titanium light chestpiece, remove it the fastest you can.

If not, that thing is hitting your skin and melting through.

[pulsar grail]

gungoose in infinite looks strapped on and stuff

[scarlet hinge]

hellbringers aren't just flamethrower guys

they're the UNSC's NBC troops

they handle all aspects of chemical, biological and nuclear operations

[versed helm]

I know.

[wispy prawn]

What happened to the forerunner key things from Spartan ops

[versed helm]

Well nuclear, I wouldn't say nuclear.

And they didn't handle but were major participants.

Energetic, incendiary, biological, thermobaric and chemical weaponry and gear.

[unique rune]

Confiscated by a Forerunner AI at some point in the Escalation comic series

[versed helm]

Does the UNSC Air Force even have an actual jet fighter of some sort? All I ever see is VTOLs of various kinds

[lunar drum]

They have the Longsword, Sabre, and Broadsword. Though I think the Sabre is mainly a space superiority fighter

[versed helm]

Sabre is not part of the Airforce.

Since a few hundred were produced and used on the best naval combat teams.

Attached to important ships or locations.

[lunar drum]

Then the UNSC Air Force wiki is incorrect. >_>

[versed helm]

I realized that they did used Sabres.

Lol

Something new to learn.

[versed helm]

Then yes you stand correct, my bad.

[lunar drum]

It's all good lol

[versed helm]

Thought they were rarely used as I said.

Only used by best pilots into important locations or ships.

[versed helm]

As said by Marius, they regularly used the Longsword, Broadsword, Shortsword and the Wombat.

[wispy prawn]

Ok thx

[versed helm]

That’s neat, dunno why they would use the Longsword for fighter stuff tho

[versed helm]

Technically it's an Interceptor/Striker Fighter and a mix of a Heavy Bomber.

Pretty useful mostly to well uh.. Bomb things from the sky?

Air Force is meant to be in majority air superiority in terms of combat so.

Hey you know how fast a banshee moves?

Depends on the type.

Just the regular

But I don't know the exact.

If I stand correct, they move very fast. According to Halopedia, they more around 60 mph/100 kph.

Though they obviously decrease a great amount of speed when striking and attacking.

[unique rune]

The model that the UNSC calls the Type-26B is officially given a top speed of 108 km/h but the Covenant's general disregard for consistent categorization and extreme tendency for variation even within identified patterns means they can be all over the place.

[versed helm]

60/100 is very much a yikes

Yeah.

The spacial banshee is times faster.

A freaking WW2 plane could kill a banshee lol

Unless it’s the space one

Well, depends.

Banshees aren't weak in terms of armor.

[unique rune]

Unless WW2 guns can punch through Covenant nanolaminate plating I seriously doubt that

[versed helm]

Yeah.

Nanolamite is a very resistant material.

A plane would clearly struggle.

Who said anything about shooting it?/s

But I gotta say, UNSC's only advantage is aerial combat.

And ground

Because let’s be honest the wraith as a tank sucks

UNSC's fighters are better than the Covenant's.

[versed helm]

The wraith will shred titanium vehicles with a center hit, it's a mortar tank.

UNSC doesn't stand a chance against Covenant infantry.

The Scorpion is much more suited to destroying things like the wrait tho

As for the infantry you are correct

Covenant species outclass Humans in one or more aspects.

[lunar drum]

Unless it's Spartans

Then only a few species outclass. Spartans are on par with Elites.

[untold wasp]

The covenant can take out Spartans but it is a bit more difficult I think

[lunar drum]

Sure. But it takes a lot.

[untold wasp]

Unless they are sniper jackals

[lunar drum]

Marines can also take out Brutes and Hunters.

[untold wasp]

It depends on the skill of both troops

[versed helm]

Grunts? Easy to breed, fast learning, very strong and resistant, fighting one in melee is just your death.

[versed helm]

Spartans are stronger and faster but Sangheili are also very strong.

A spartan can easily dodge and beat them.

[untold wasp]

I feel if the covenant has more communication and understanding of everyone they could beat the unsc easier

[versed helm]

Kig-Yar are faster, have claws very sharp to damage metals, a good sense of smell and better accuracy/eye than humans.

[untold wasp]

Since the prophets didn’t really care , like for the grunt rebellion, instead of making peace, they decided to glass their planet which is a coward move imo

[versed helm]

Jiralhanae literally are Humans with feats that reach the tops.

Most lack intelligence.

But several count with it.

[untold wasp]

Monkey

[lunar drum]

Idk about that one. Brutes are incredibly strong. Stronger than augmented Spartans

[untold wasp]

Strong, but dumb

[versed helm]

They are times faster than Humams, stronger than Spartans.

If you use cloaking tech, they will detect you via smelling.

They can smell you from very - very far away.

Most are tribal but there's proof that some are sort of medieval.

They remind me to Vikings in general.

[untold wasp]

Berserker

[versed helm]

You don't want to fight a Jiralhanae, no no.

Two punches, even one, are needed from a brute to kill a shielded enemy.

They will destroy the shielding and shatter the armor, obliterating bones and organs without difficulty.

Elites are similar but less stronger and more agile.

T'Vaoans are, SPEED.

[untold wasp]

Bye for now

[versed helm]

Cya.

[versed helm]

They can run at 72 kph.

[honest timber]

Yeah but they only get to show that supremacy if the Covenant doesn't have complete air control with dozens if not hundreds of ships in orbit lol

[versed helm]

True.

Covenant just deploys waves and waves of ships to fight squadrons of UNSC fighters.

[honest timber]

Whole war was an uphill slug-fest where the enemy had numerical and tech supremacy. The only advantage they lacked was homefield since the UNSC was almost always on the defensive.

[versed helm]

Mhm.

[lunar drum]

Well until Grey team nuked Sanghelios

Though that was after the war lmao

[gilded mason]

They did not nuke Sanghelios.

[lunar drum]

Sorry, Glyke

[gilded mason]

👍

[lunar drum]

I knew it was a Sanghelli world lol

[versed helm]

so why did the covenant send ground forces to new alexandria instead of just glassing it like they did later? were they looking for something?

[stable flower]

In case there were Forerunner artifacts

[gray sedge]

It’s a genocide, they wanted to make sure they got every single human they found would shipped home in a wooden crate

The Human-Covenant war was essentially a massive fight for the extermination of the human race

Because humans being reclaimers means that the covenant races are not meant to succeed them. Essentially according to the covenant religion all should bow down to humans or forsake covenant beliefs

Basically humanity disproved the religion

Anyone

Oof

[somber bridge]

Lol yeah

[gray sedge]

Remember halo is about a bloody genocide of all earth life

Anyone have anything lore based to discuss

Please

[keen sleet]

e

[versed helm]

it wouldve been easier to just glass the entire city then. by doing a ground assault they gave people a chance to evacuate

[honest timber]

Yeah, but like someone said earlier they were always on the prowl for some forerunner loot.

Can't be destroying any obnoxious talking orbs on accident now can we

[wispy prawn]

True

[noble fjord]

I wonder

Did the gravemind send Chief and Arby to their respective locations on purpose? Why not send Arbiter to High Charity instead?

[gilded mason]

He probably figured Chief being there would cause more chaos needed to get In Amber Clad to the target.

[humble yacht]

The Arbiter still wasn't convinced that the Covenant were his enemy

he needed to see the brutes murdering his people

if he had been transported directly to HC, he may have hesitated in front of the prophets

then boop, dead

[stable flower]

I imagine he'd be unable to tell which Grunts are friendly and which ones aren't.

[versed helm]

It's quite easy

They either shoot or not

[austere stone]

i spent awhile explaining halo lore in a friend discord and lemme just say; can we just take a moment to appreciate how deep halo lore and its universe is? everything from the history and rebellion of grunts, the precursors, mantle of responsibility and humanity, the flood, schisms, religious blindness, an actual second humanity rebirthed, and everything else aside from the games story? amazing

[versed helm]

Its prettt cool yeah

[tall temple]

https://tenor.com/view/cortana-halo-gif-20067665

Random question but I've seen this shot of Cortana a few times now and its been bugging me I was wondering if anyone knew exactly where it's from? Because it doesn't really look like halo 4 or 5 Cortana to me and I can't recall seeing it in game

[humble yacht]

it's either h4 or legends

probably h4

[valid hemlock]

is it even on the games? i don't think so

[unique rune]

I think it's from Forward Unto Dawn, actually.

Either that or one of Halo 4's ads.

Yeah, opening scene of Forward Unto Dawn.

[humble yacht]

you mean Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn? 😉

[unique rune]

Don't do this to me

[humble yacht]

you did this to yourself

[tall temple]

Oh right I haven't seen that before

[versed helm]

Think it’s from an e3 trailer?

So I just finished Halo 5's campaign

[tacit charm]

good for you

did you question why and how buck became a spartan from seemingly out of nowhere

[stable flower]

Or who MC's teammates are?

[versed helm]

all this and more are probably answered in books

Our spartans have seen the craziest things

[gloomy dew]

so whats up with this story mode ?

[agile plinth]

From a lore standpoint, what armor cores do we think will be in Infinite? We've only got MKVB and MKVII right now. (Yoroi is a Fracture so I'm not sure it counts.) I really want MKIV and kits for Red Team, MKV most likely, and how in the world is MKVI not in the game? I'm sure it will happen at some point, but still...anyways, any other options we could get that I am forgetting?

[autumn glen]

There might be forerunner and covenant based cores. Specifically the armor is influenced by what humanity learned from those two sources.

I think theres something like that already, spartan armor developed alongside elites

not in infinite tho, yet

[unique rune]

I imagine they’ll probably do at least another GEN1 core to represent H2/3 Mk.VI. Maybe another for CE Mk.V.
I’m personally hoping for a GEN2 core.

[quasi stump]

quick question: does hunt the turth take place before or after thursday war?

[gilded mason]

Way after

Takes place a little bit before Halo 5, while Thursday War is in 2553

[quasi stump]

now i know what to focus on now, thank you

another question, after what book do i start listing to hunt the truth?

[sullen ridge]

think it was around new blood

[fiery nacelle]

must be legends or something that isnt a halo game

[tacit charm]

he did but it should require 15 books to understand the content of one game

[humble yacht]

You don’t really need to know how bucks became a spartan to understand halo 5

That’s like saying you needed to understand how Chief became a spartan to understand halo ce

[tacit charm]

well ye im mostly referring to the other stuff in game

[humble yacht]

The only thing the novels and outside media do for halo 5 is character intros

No book or comic sets up the story for halo 5

Hell, halo 4 doesn’t even set up the story of halo 5

[tacit charm]

im referring to this image https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_5:_Guardians#/media/File:H5G-connections.png
with the exception of mcc and the two promotional material hunter/hunted and hunt the truth you should not normally need extra materials to explain (not enhanced though you could debate otherwise) one game. i also forgot halo tales from slipspace (i think) that shows what happened to cortana after 4

[humble yacht]

But none of that is meant to say that stuff explains halo 5

It’s showing how that media connects to Halo 5

Like I said, the primary connections those media provide are character intros, which really don’t have much to do with the actual story of h5

Does it really matter if you watch nightfall to get introduced to Locke before playing H5? I don’t think so. Nightfall doesnt really give us anything integral to Locke’s character that shows up in H5

It’s just kind of a b movie that says “this character did this”

Also, Tales From Slipspace were released after halo 5, so that couldn’t be required reading

You can definitely argue that halo 5 did not do a good job explaining elements of its own story within the context of the game (ie what happened to Cortana), that’s a fair assessment. But to say you need all this extra media to understand halo 5 is an exaggeration.

[limber dagger]

Beyond all else, I think Halo 5's complete disregard for who the rest of Blue Team even were was it's biggest failure. How many people do you think there were that honestly had no idea any other Spartan's existed before Halo 5? Obviously, Reach introduced us to different Spartans, but still. I'm sure there was a very large number of people who saw Kelly, Fred, and Linda for the first time in a game and went "who the heck are these people?"

No explanation of who these people were, whatsoever. Just they obviously know John and seem to be friends.