#lore-and-universe

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devout laurel
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Appo chill

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Talking about Spartan 1s? The ORION project?

devout laurel
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They aren't actually called 1 though are they

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its 1.1 right

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for some reason

mortal socket
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i was born before halo 3's release date

humble yacht
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lunar drum
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No I'm pretty sure they relabeled ORION as Spartan 1s.

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devout laurel
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aah

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I know James is 005. But he really should have been 007.

humble yacht
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Might have been too on the nose

lunar drum
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Is the point :)

craggy sierra
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Punch whoever thought it was too on the nose in the nose

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Though it is funny that they have two J names as 005 and 006.

devout laurel
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Lets assume peace finally came to the halo universe, would retired spartans be able to live normal human lives? cuz they're indoctrinated and pretty much turned into alien killing machines

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James 005 and Jay 006

humble yacht
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Randal did

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Mostly

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And some others.

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Whats her face that replaced the director of ONI

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She was part of Kilo Five

humble yacht
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The spartan who tested chief’s original mark vi armor had aspirations of retiring and starting a family

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Serin Osman

devout laurel
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Nice to know they're not completely stripped of their humanity

lunar drum
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They can be rehabilitated. Even Fred shows a lot of humanity.

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And Kurt as well when he was training the S3s.

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gilded mason
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Nope

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Never were

lunar drum
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Is it just a low drive then?

gilded mason
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One of the augments had a risk of low drive

humble yacht
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potential side effect

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Not guaranteed

lunar drum
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Ah okay. I thought I remembered Naomi talking to her dad about not being able to have kids.

gilded mason
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Guess that was just her personally.

humble yacht
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One could argue that the mental conditioning was more effective at making them not really think about things like that

lunar drum
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Thats actually a good observation.

hearty peak
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Is it true that Chief saved humanity in his 40s?

lunar drum
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Chief is currently in his 40s. So yes.

hearty peak
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Damn

devout laurel
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u tell us master chief

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lol

humble yacht
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Chief saved humanity in his 20s, 30s, 40s, and will again in his 50s

lunar drum
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Chief was born in 2511 and it is 2560.

devout laurel
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chief as a child is shown in halo 4's prologue right

lunar drum
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I want to say yes but I'm not sure.

terse lava
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It's him

hearty peak
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It was definitely him in that cutscene

devout laurel
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If it is, we can picture a basic image of what he looks like now

tacit charm
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nah it was fredchiefsmirkle

lunar drum
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Chief looks like Pablo Schreiber.

hearty peak
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Irc, there is a texture of his face in Halo 2 or 3

terse lava
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What if, Del Rio is an older chief, thus why he demanded Cortana?😛

tacit charm
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He demanded that potato Chip

small geode
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Couldn't be, Del Rio lacked a spine, wasn't able to stand up straight

devout laurel
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chief finally takes his helmet off and over time he has grown a dumbledore beard and hair down to his knees because he hasn't had a haircut in so long

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hearty peak
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What would've happened if Halsey was on UNSC Infinity in Halo 4

small geode
humble yacht
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Under chief’s helmet is the mayor from animal crossing

devout laurel
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she would've repaired cortana and halo infinite would've never happened

hearty peak
tacit charm
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she would die from the crash to requiem

small geode
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Under chief's helmet is CSGOMister

hearty peak
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We all know that there is a cat under his helmet

small geode
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Oh ohoho no no no

devout laurel
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its commander shepard

small geode
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IT'S A RAT

hearty peak
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Halo 3 Rat

small geode
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Yes!

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devout laurel
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am i a bad person for shooting the rats

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lmao

small geode
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Good ol' ratatouille

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devout laurel
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a ring eh

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a halo ring?

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Halo: Hell confirmed

small geode
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a... Hello?

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😄

devout laurel
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mass effect cross over when

small geode
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That'd be a deadly combination

devout laurel
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brute v krogan

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whos winning that

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Tartarus vs wrex

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Does tartarus have his hammer?

humble yacht
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Does wrex?

devout laurel
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they can both have hammers

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(krogan hammers exist)

lunar drum
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Hmmmm. I think Tartarus would win. But I'm not entirely sure how strong Krogans are. Brutes tend to be stronger than Spartans. Plus Tartarus is seen to be an expert in melee combat.

small geode
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Think Wrex would win

devout laurel
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Krogans can lift up ship debris with one arm to give u perspective

humble yacht
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Krogans are mass effect’s super hardy warrior race

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They headbutt to say hello

devout laurel
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lol yeah

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N7's are mass effects spartans

humble yacht
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Sort of

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Less augmenation

devout laurel
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well...

hearty peak
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What about Halo X Destiny

humble yacht
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But ME has biotics which halo doesn’t really have an answer for

devout laurel
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shepard is an exception, he has augmentations

lunar drum
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Shephard is basically a cyborg at this point lets be honest.

devout laurel
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Nah he just has minor implants tbh

small geode
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Dude's a walking microchip factory

hearty peak
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Talking about implants, what kind of implant Captain Keys had

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Since Chief took something from his head in CE

unique rune
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Keyes had a command neural implant

small geode
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The regular mandatory "Command Neural Interface"

devout laurel
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Hood has it to

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u can see it

lunar drum
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It was a CNI. All ship commanders have one.

unique rune
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More or less just an upgrade of the UNSC's standard neural laces for command personnel

lunar drum
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Its actually pretty common.

small geode
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It's a required implant for UNSC ship commanders.

hearty peak
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So they store important info

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Alr

small geode
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Data codes, nav data, receiving telemetry. It's also the only thing that has the clearance to initiate a self-destruct sequence for a ship.

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Hence why Chief needed Keyes' CNI to start the auto-destruct on the pillar of autumn

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Secondary being that it stored also the locations of UNSC colonies and worlds, not something you want the proto-gravemind to have.

hearty peak
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Got it

small geode
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You've got one too

versed helm
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Wait

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did someone join just to say that 343 bad because Halo Reach changes book stuff

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isn't reach a bungo game lmao?

small geode
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What, when, how?

humble yacht
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Don’t worry about it, it’s over

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Is it over 9000?

devout laurel
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do jackals even speak any language, or even able to learn?

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they seem more like tamed animals than a completely sentient race

humble yacht
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Yes

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They can speak English

hearty peak
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Jackals speak in PTSD

devout laurel
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I've only ever heard growls lol

lunar drum
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Pretty sure I've heard Jackals shout "what the ****" in game.

small geode
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They do have a language

humble yacht
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They may not speak in the games but in the lore, jackals are capable of speech, and some even know English

small geode
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Apparently they have an ochlocracy or "government by a mob"

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If you read the book about Johnson there is plenty of Jackal stuff in it.

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I thought the jackals were usually led by a matriarch?

small geode
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They are a matriarchy.

humble yacht
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Jackal queens are big and fat iirc

hearty peak
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Why does Halo 5 jackals look like dinosaur

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devout laurel
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There's a covenant race i'm confused about, they aren;t listed on the wiki, they look like jackals with red manes, they're seen in halo reach

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what are they?

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Skirmishers?

devout laurel
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Ah, subspecies

hearty peak
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Those flying enemies?

devout laurel
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i think so

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No

hearty peak
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Ah

small geode
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The jackals and skirmishers are a subspecies of "Kig-Yar" which is confusing

gilded mason
devout laurel
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so they're just jackals ok

gilded mason
devout laurel
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yeah i thought the kig-yar and the ones i mentioned were different

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they don't look the same to me, at least not totally

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ye

gilded mason
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Don't use that wiki, by the way

devout laurel
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T'voans yeaaaahh those ones

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i thought they were separate species

gilded mason
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It's not as well-maintained as Halopedia

hearty peak
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Jackal sniper is the first place

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I would watch Warden fight 5 Jackal Snipers

devout laurel
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Realised a bit ago that the didact and the harbinger from mass effect have the same voice actor, at least they sound the same.

wheat dagger
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Canonically, what happened with the Skirmishers from Halo Reach?

versed helm
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They appear in comics and novels

glossy vapor
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So the halo 5 subspecies can talk...does that mean that some jackals will talk and others wont in infinite?

devout laurel
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Really hope they use the Broadsword music again

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flying through the didacts ship with that music, one of my favourite missions

shut dew
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343i:
"have questions about the lore? just use halopedia, lol"

terse lava
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@shut dew pretty sure that was simply dropped all the way, as it makes no sense

vale pendant
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In Halo Legends its explained that humans and covenant would be briefly united against the flood

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is this true?

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dont remember both sides setting aside their war to fight the flood

honest trout
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Most likely after the war

devout laurel
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did u guys ever notice in halo 4 master chiefs almost 1ft growth

honest trout
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Yeah he goes from same as Palmer to like a foot taller

devout laurel
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at the start hes barely taller than palmer, by the end he towers over her, its cuz of the librarian speeding up evolution, really cool detail that can be easily missed imo

honest trout
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(I have problems with the phrase “speeding up his evolution” scientifically) but oh yeah that’s a better reason than it looks cool

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Evolution is for a species not an individual guys

devout laurel
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Well it is to do with the librarian interaction

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ik that much

honest trout
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Oh yeah it wasn’t a problem with you it was with the script writers

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That’s pretty cool

terse lava
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@vale pendant it was from Cortana's view, as she had been trapped on High Chairty. She only knew that chief and thel had been enemies thr last time the two met. As we saw in h3, besides the separatists, there was no alliance against the flood

unique rune
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its cuz of the librarian speeding up evolution
That’s… not what happened.

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Halo 4’s cutscenes and cinematics generally have scaling issues when actually compared to official canon measurements. (e.g. almost none of the vessels we see should even be visible when compared to the Mantle’s Approach’s enormous official 370km height)

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John is 7’2” in armor at the beginning of the game and he’s still 7’2” by the end.

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The height disparity between him and Palmer in the epilogue might just be an error on the animation studio’s end, but I imagine it was more likely intentional to convey the reputation that surrounds the Chief.

hybrid juniper
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Palmer just weaksauce. She was wearing high heels in first intro, duh

shut dew
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She's a metahuman who can make people grow taller or shorter with words, calling it now

devout laurel
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Just finished halo 4 for the billionth time and I forgot how good it was to see chief get a fully worked on personality, something i dont think bungie would've done if they kept going If I'm honest

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343i do great work

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Need to play halo 5 then wars 2 to finish playing the timeline....again lol before infinite releases 🙂

terse lava
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Well Bungie's goal was.more gameplay then lore

stable flower
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^

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Is there an lore explanation for why the Covenant use a different Shade turret every game?

craggy sierra
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Honestly there probably is but literally no one cares

fair hazel
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There's just many shade turrets

unique rune
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the Covenant was big and absolutely terrible at standardization

stable flower
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I assume different fleets have different equipment (Regret's being a prime example)

gusty star
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That’s also a factor

woven plaza
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yoooo guys

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wait this isn't really a lore thing

versed helm
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I find it Interesting the didact was opposed to the Halo array. Bit of a twist the warrior types are against a super weapon in a story 😆

versed helm
versed helm
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So the whole "humanity is older than we think" part of the universe. Is that common knowledge? Taught in schools after the war? Or Is it something ONI keeps hidden?

limpid meadow
fallen horizon
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Now hypothetically speaking. Can a Ghost fly in space?

unique rune
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You could probably try, though I imagine it’d be about as easy as steering a bottle rocket.

fallen horizon
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Master Chief leaving the ring on a Ghost and riding it off into space would be pretty funny.

normal fjord
fallen horizon
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Master Chief. You mind telling me what you're doing on that Ghost? Sir. Spinny spin. Weeeeeeeee.

last flame
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Chiefcopter go brrrr

versed helm
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Lightyear, starring Master Chief

hearty peak
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The Didact is Master Chief's father

honest trout
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No

fallen horizon
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Isn't Cortana Master Chief's mom in a way?

versed helm
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Not really

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Well she is made from the brain of a clone of Halsey and Halsey did sort of kidnap them...

fallen horizon
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Yeah Halsey is the closest thing to a mother the Spartan 2's had I guess.

unique rune
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I’d consider Cortana to be a sister of sorts more than a mother

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Since she’s one of Halsey’s creations and not actually just Halsey.

fallen horizon
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Ye true.

boreal bane
fallen horizon
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Very pog

fair hazel
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Yay!

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the shoulder angel is such a cool concept

obsidian thistle
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Love seeing obscure lore terms become more common! :D

last anchor
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For 10 years I have waited for SPI. 10 YEARS.
It’s on an S-II and in Halo 3 instead of Reach but it will do for now

tacit charm
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i mean

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you had eva

fair hazel
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Not the same

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I hope it gets added to infinite as well, but woohoo

loud kestrel
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hey whats the proper tag for a spartan?

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like lets say Spartan Helljumper who is an SII and number is 45 how would u arrange that?

fair hazel
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What do you mean spartan helljumper? That's not a canon category

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a spartan-II is usually refered to as

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S-###

loud kestrel
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a spartan named Helljumper

fair hazel
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Um

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Thats a very odd name

loud kestrel
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nickname then lmao

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idk

fair hazel
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S-045

loud kestrel
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S-045 Helljumper

cobalt quiver
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How far would H2's story have gone if there were no cuts?

fair hazel
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Have you seen the storyboards?

keen warren
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Can Lekgolo be infected by the flood?

hollow holly
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joe

wispy prawn
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there used as mass for graveminds

keen warren
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I know that the Lekgolo form a colony, but I was wondering what would happen if some of them were exposed to flood spores (are those still in lore?).

wispy prawn
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Flood spores are canon

unique rune
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The colonies they form, like Mgalekgolo/Hunters, can't be infected in the same way that humans or Sangheili are, but the individual worms can be absorbed as biomass to build up other Flood forms or spread around the environment.

tacit charm
wispy prawn
deft gust
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Anyone got a good chronological list for the books?

honest trout
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Halopedia should have one

versed helm
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Is the forerunner saga ten years old this year

wispy prawn
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I got you. There’s different sections for different story’s I’m currently reading bad blood in the alpha nine section. Thank CIA391 one of the mods he sent it to me.

signal ether
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so part of the Forerunner saga is 10 years old, but the entire saga won't be 10 years old until 2023

keen warren
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was an honor guard since we weren't supposed to get on Halo in the first place.

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It was probably named that as a nod to the armor.

unique rune
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Flavor text for it seems to indicate that it was designed and prototyped to some extent for Project ORION.

signal ether
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yes, the Orion armor is a kinda what if scenario, the ORIONs would have worn it if it could actually be made, but it never truly came to fruition

versed helm
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The more I read about the books setting up infinite the more I am excited to see the story. I Read a breakdown of point of light and shadows of reach

odd anvil
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The helmet for the Mark 4 armor in it says "It was once worn by the master chief" is it the same helmet as he wore it in the beginning of the human covenant war or is it just a different helmet from the 1 he wore just the same type/kind of helmet?

versed helm
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There's a Mark 4 armor somewhere?

carmine sleet
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In Halo 5, you can use Mark IV

carmine sleet
# odd anvil The helmet for the Mark 4 armor in it says "It was once worn by the master chief...

You definitely aren't wearing Chief's Mark IV in Halo 5 multiplayer

Helmet Description: A battered Mark IV helmet once worn by the Master Chief is the last thing that SPARTAN-IV candidates see before beginning their grueling evaluation and preliminary augmentation cycle.
From Halopedia, it talks about a Mark IV helmet Chief wore being one of the last things S-IV candidates see before getting their augments. The helmet could be possibly twenty years old and it's unlikely they'd just be equipping Spartan-IVs with the exact helmet Chief once used

versed helm
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Ah sadly Guardians ain't for PC

odd anvil
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It would have been cool if it was thanks for clearing up the confusion

versed helm
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Hmm I'm curious

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as there are a few Promethean weapons in Infinite that we know of

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will they appear or is it simply the Banished using salvaged stuff from encounters with them

unique rune
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Some of the recorded audio that 343 revealed in an older Inside Infinite sounded like it could be used for Prometheans, so I could see them returning.

But I suppose we won’t know until later on.

steep charm
versed helm
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Neato

versed helm
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Am i getting it right that the banished don't hate humans and even have mercenaries and criminals in their ranks ?

humble yacht
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There was never confirmed cases of humans directly in banished ranks

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There was a point where it was said the banished had business dealings with human crime syndicates, and at one point it was also said Atriox had no personal prejudice against humans and was open to the idea of letting them join

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But it’s not like there were ever official human banished members

versed helm
humble yacht
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Not really

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Shadows of reach details can be openly discussed

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Also the identity of those humans has been known since way before SoR

versed helm
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I'm not reffering to the Ferrets alone

humble yacht
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🙊

versed helm
versed helm
humble yacht
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Yea but that was before humans started impeding his personal goals

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It’s like humans were bugs outside his house before hw2 but then hw2 the bugs got inside his house and started messing up his house

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Before he could ignore them but now he can’t and he doesn’t like what they’ve been doing

versed helm
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An intelligent character like Atriox would be smart enough not to generalize all humans for what the UNSC Spirit of Fire did. If anything their tenacity should make him want to hire more humans AGAINST the UNSC.

If he really cared about his Brute brethren so much, why would he forgive the Silent Shadow in Hunting Party who murdered his crew? The Elites have done far worse to his Brutes than the humans ever did.

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In short it does not make sense I can see him seeing them as a rival

gilded mason
humble yacht
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Well halo is also no stranger to randomly shifting character mentalities to suite whatever it needs to suite

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Also I don’t think it has to do with caring about his fellow brutes

versed helm
versed helm
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It's from Divine Wind

versed helm
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The last book that came out and is a sequel to Shadows of Reach

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sure it wont spoil the game so sure

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I'll tag you then

tall valve
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"People need heroes, Chief. Let's give them hope. So smile! While we still have something to smile about!"

  • Sergeant Johnson
gilded mason
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hope
Oh god...It keeps appearing.

warm acorn
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Are the Insurrectionist still active?

gilded mason
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Yeah

warm acorn
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Do you think they would side with the Banished cause they hated the UNSC for a long time?

versed helm
gilded mason
versed helm
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Are Innies just salty about paying taxes hypecat

stable flower
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The UEG ain't care about them so you can't blame them

gilded mason
versed helm
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That just sounds like propaganda

steep charm
versed helm
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I hope we see blisterback

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I have literally not read a single chunk of Halo lore where the Innies were right lol

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Maybe I'm missing something from the comics though?

gilded mason
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Mainly from reference books. And a part of Cole Protocol implies horrible conditions.

versed helm
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I'd probably be more sympathetic towards them if most sources didn't just go with the

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"Oh yeah they terrorists mate"

gilded mason
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Unfortunately, Halo tends not to be too self-aware about the kind of things it can perpetuate.

humble yacht
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Innies may not like the UNSC but they also don’t like aliens

versed helm
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Hell Innies don't even like other Innies

gilded mason
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Understandable, really. Some of 'em are pretty weird.

versed helm
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Well yeah

gilded mason
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And evil

versed helm
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I mean you have Venezia that seels plasma guns to everyone for giggles

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but you also have those farmer guys chilling in Bad Blood

gilded mason
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Yeh

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And those non-violent Innies in Hunt the Truth

versed helm
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Never got to watch that

gilded mason
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It was pretty good

versed helm
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Wasn't it super unrelated to the game too?

gilded mason
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Had some references in season 2, but other than that, yeah

versed helm
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Damn it got 2 seasons?
I thought it was just a couple LA trailers

gilded mason
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Whole audio drama series

versed helm
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Probably better than the other LA shows

stable flower
blissful bloom
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Innies must be eradicated.

versed helm
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Cortana probably did that already

gilded mason
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Probably made more Innies pop up, inadvertently

versed helm
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Should have made hotter robots, humanity wouldn't rebel against that

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But Promethean Knights? Eh

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Hmm that reminds me

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did like ANY Forerunner AI agree with Cortana bar the Warden?

gilded mason
versed helm
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Like a full fledged AI

humble yacht
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Warden didn’t really agree with her

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He was made to agree

versed helm
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Well that means no so far did on screen

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figures that would tell her something

humble yacht
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Well the guardians follow her

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Each guardian has its own custode AI

versed helm
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Aren't Guardian's pre-programed like basic robots?
At leats that is what I got from Bad Blood

humble yacht
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And they’re sentient enough to choose their face

stable flower
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I take it the Grunts now have a strong military under the Created

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Not all the grunts submitted

stable flower
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I mean just the ones at Balaho

humble yacht
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Seemingly just the ones on Bahalo

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We don’t exactly know how much of the grunt population that accounts for

steep charm
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Didn't Cortana want everyone to disarm?

humble yacht
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Yes

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Well

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She wanted everyone to submit

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Agree to her rules

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In exchange for subservience, she gave Bahalo technological advancements and a better ecosystem

steep charm
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So you could still have an army and be ready for war? It'd be funny to see Grunts with forerunner weaponry in Infinite

stable flower
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Grunts have a lot of allegiances. They were the only non-Sangheili species in Sesa's Heretics, on both the Loyalist and Separatist side during the GS, part of the Elite-run Swords of Sanghelios, used by the Banished, and now most of them are under the Created. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some working for the UNSC (since Engineers are now part of it, according to the PA on Infinity)

humble yacht
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I don’t think the Bahalo grunts are preparing to go invade other planets

gilded mason
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They were the only non-Sangheili species in Sesa's Heretics
There were jackals as well, judging by the terminals

humble yacht
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They probably have guns and stuff still but likely only for self defense

steep charm
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Yeah alright

humble yacht
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Besides, disarmament is likely in reference to WMDs like nukes and glassing beams, not individual plasma pistols and stuff

stable flower
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Oh I forgot about the Jackals. They seem to have killed them all off before the Covenant raid.

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Now that I think of it, some of the random weapons lying around the mine might have belonged to the Jackals.

gilded mason
viscid trout
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The heretics, i would assume.

steep charm
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The Jackals being killed out of fear that they'd betray the Heretics for personal gain doesn't sound very far fetched actually
Or they just rebelled initially because they saw staying as a death wish

gilded mason
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I'd rather just go with "Bungie didn't have time to make more custom models for heretics" or wasn't sure how to balance jackals on those levels.

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Since other justifications are fairly "All members of a certain species are exactly the same"

versed helm
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It's always the Jackals innit?

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Wonder what happened to the drones lol

gilded mason
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😔

steep charm
carmine sleet
versed helm
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Wasn't it said that the Covenant bypassed dozens of Inner Colonies in order to get to Reach?

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So how many colonies were left unscathed by the end of the war?

gilded mason
versed helm
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Forseti was left untouched and it had like 500 million people

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What would Cascade's population be?

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Also, isn't it kind of strange that nobody else in the Covenant wanted to continue what Rho Baratumee started when he wanted to find Maethrillian?

gilded mason
#

Maybe they did, but were simply lower-profile

versed helm
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Probably

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I wonder if whatever is left of Maethrillian would have some of key to defeating the Created

gusty star
#

Kantar 'Utaralee supposedly did continue it

still fossil
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If Master Chief killed someone (UNSC) on the Pillar of Autumn (Actually possible in Halo: CE) Cortana would send marines to take down master chief, thus Halo 2, 3, 4, 5, and Infinite would've never existed.

gilded mason
#

Goin' somewhere with this?

eager pine
#

Stolt better be alive still

spiral jewel
#

Dumb question: what Halo rings are closest to either Alpha Centauri or Lambda Scorpii/Shalua?

gilded mason
spiral jewel
#

👀

How did I not realize Alpha Halo/I04 was nearly on Cybertron's doorstep?!

keen warren
#

Maybe it's in one of the universes where Galvatron successfully flew Cybertron away to some far-off sector.

spiral jewel
#

Perhaps Galvatron wasn't crazy enough to take on the Flood (all jokes aside, he probably knows that they're about as powerful as his former master, Unicron)

wheat dagger
#

Canonically what happened with the Vultures from Halo Wars during the events of the main saga?

unique rune
#

They were... around.

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Er, actually, no.
Apparently Canon Fodder had a real answer.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/canon-fodder-feet-first

The Vulture had largely disappeared from UNSC inventories due to irreplaceable combat losses by 2545, but Materials Group is currently evaluating the possibility of restarting production (albeit with the benefit of improved materials and incorporation of new technologies).

stable flower
#

Shame the coolest things were used only early in the war.

broken solstice
#

hello

keen warren
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We were on the brink of extinction.

valid hemlock
#

you get reminded in two games we're losing and getting completely obliterated

valid hemlock
#

"to war" is deep lore, you just can't appreciate miranda's elite thought process smirkle

elder fulcrum
#

Is it true Elites cant pronounce P and B?

gilded mason
#

They can, it just requires special care.

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“We don’t know that, and neither does the Arbiter—or Hood. Communications are what the humans call patchy.”

‘Telcam, who was unusually fluent in the primary human language, pronounced the word with care. It was hard to form a human P when trying to compress four lips.

versed helm
#

So I'm guessing time dilation isn't a thing in Halo?

last anchor
#

Not really, considering all FTL travel involves slipspace
Which doesnt HAVE time in it. The period expereinced between entering and exiting it only exists inside the ship itself, which continues as time normally does.

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But inside slipspace technically its not in time.

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Or, rather, I should say, if ships were able to punch up to almost 1 C of speed it would be an issue, but none of them do as slipspace allows it to be sidestepped

versed helm
#

Ah. Still there's like colonies and stuff. And Chief being asleep so long. On earth it would be much longer than what it is in game. I was just noticing this reading Mythos and it's never brought up

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But it's also like never brought up in any sci Fi besides like Forever War and others focused on it. Even the series I'm reading now brings it up but it never seems to really play a part in anything. Just more acknowledging it

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It's kinda hard to really comprehend and write around I think.

fair hazel
versed helm
#

Master Chief Secure Rite Aid

versed helm
#

Country roads starts playing

valid hemlock
# fair hazel War.

It was all a decoy location to give the unsc more time before the covenant took the command center supercool

tidal fossil
velvet rose
#

how many known spartan-|||'s are alive

humble yacht
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More than a handful

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Potentially all the spartan 3s Halsey took to onyx are still alive

violet sleet
#

So, what the hell were breaker trip and kickstand?

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I can't find anything on them

unique rune
#

Operation names made up for ONI Files videos just as worldbuilding elements

warm acorn
#

Other than ODSTs

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How many actual Marine soldiers eventually become a Spartan later on?

humble yacht
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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We don’t know the background of every spartan iv recruit

violet sleet
unique rune
#

I sure wouldn't expect anything else

violet sleet
#

Understandable

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3 hours of useless research lol

versed helm
humble yacht
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Spartans make up a minority of infinity’s total crew

versed helm
#

I don't see the relation between those two statment's?

humble yacht
#

What does infinity crew have to do with the number of spartan 3s being alive, in your mind?

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Infinity crew is about 20,000 total people, the spartan compliment on infinity was about 1400 iirc

last anchor
last anchor
versed helm
#

Ahhhhhhhh

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I read Fordon's message wrong

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"How many known that spartan IIIs are alive" is what I read.
Ugh that's what I get for less sleep on a Friday

lunar drum
humble yacht
lunar drum
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In comparison the SoF was 2.5 klicks long, had a crew of about 12,000 and Serena could take care of it for a good amount of time by herself. So not too far fetched for Chimera's suggestion.

versed helm
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Honestly as sci-fi universes go, that's pretty typical

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Only Wh40k and Star Wars have du m m y high crew numbers

fair hazel
#

And 1400 isn’t a number from anywhere pretty sure

last anchor
#

It still feels odd to me, but I just like dummy high crew numbers myself because STONKS so

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I'll take her as she is.

humble yacht
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Well all I know is that I used to think that every infinity crew member was spartan and someone corrected me

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The spartan number was much smaller than the total crew

last anchor
#

Oh by far.
I wish every member was a Spartan, that'd be cool. But...not exactly realistic.

carmine sleet
#

It'd be odd for a ship that big to be crewed with nothing but Spartans

fair hazel
#

Roland was like "You know I can drive her solo" or something like that

gilded mason
#

Why in the world did 343 delete all of the previous Waypoint threads? There was a lot of good lore posts archived in it.
Edit: Somebody said that the threads will be added back, though I can't verify at the moment. That true?

fair hazel
gilded mason
humble yacht
gilded mason
#

Trying to open a no longer existing Waypoint page borked my browser and now nothing can open, so nope.

fair hazel
#

You should ask @obsidian thistle for info on stuff. But they did say the forums would be wiped

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For archived forum stuff

humble yacht
#

Posts will be imported at some point

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Obviously there are still kinks being worked out

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Relearning to navigate will be a pain

obsidian thistle
#

Thats the old Waypoint Universe Articles!

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(Got a few fixes and quality of life fixes to go there. But its all there)

gilded mason
#

Nice

obsidian thistle
proper spoke
#

any news on the whole Paramount+ series?? nearly forgot it was a thing

versed helm
#

@proper spoke still on track on releasing next year

proper spoke
#

when could we expect a sneak peak?

versed helm
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Don't know. Hopefully soon

patent dagger
#

i wanna confirm

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what is a flood factory

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these people in my RP server are talkin about a flood factory which breaks lore in every way imaginable

steady frigate
#

Wort?

unique rune
#

Flood… factory?

patent dagger
#

'flood factory'

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in what way does that NOT break lore

unique rune
#

I’m more confused by what exactly that would entail.

Is it supposed to be like a hive type form like the ones seen in Halo Wars 1 and 2?
Or is it something silly like a human facility dedicated to somehow manufacturing Flood forms…?

carmine sleet
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Aye, if they would explain what they actually mean, it'd help us understand what you're on about, Voridious

patent dagger
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(there's a factory thing we have in our map

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(they're using that :|

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(so its a factory factory

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(why am I speaking with the parentheses-

carmine sleet
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Yeah no, the closest thing that we ever saw to a factory that produces the Flood was the Mona Lisa but that ship was being used to research the Flood by ONI for if it was viable to turn into a bioweapon, not to mention the ship was destroyed. There is no factory that mass produces the Flood

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There are Sentinel factories though

patent dagger
#

(yeah, I knew that, just wanted to verify so I can send an image of someone else agreeing so they shut

gilded mason
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lol

patent dagger
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(thanks

unique rune
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Yeah, a Flood factory in that sense would be an… absolutely terrible idea.

patent dagger
#

yep

carmine sleet
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Almost as bad as the secret Flood fleet some people seem adamant is coming

unique rune
#

I can’t imagine why any faction would want to try such a thing.

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Except maybe, I dunno, the Governors of Contrition or some weirdo sect like them.

patent dagger
patent dagger
carmine sleet
fair hazel
#

The heretics did unleash some flood

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One weird scenario where I could see is, created's forces being dominant across the galaxy let's say. Then the banished is around and a big threat, UNSC personel secured. So John unleashing the flood in a twist of events upon the banished. Prompting a large created force response on the ring to wipe the flood, and they have the means with the prometheans. So not only is the banished dealt a big blow but it's a contained blow.

velvet rose
#

what's the averge IQ score of a grunt

versed helm
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Same as the average Warthog driver in MP

velvet rose
#

as of now i've only encountered quite good drivers

versed helm
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I wish I had your luck

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I had drivers who stopped in front of tanks and spartan lasers

carmine sleet
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That's why I prefer driving over being a gunner. Hate when they park me in front of a Wraith and then complain I didn't kill it fast enough

versed helm
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Yeah but when you drive the gunner shoots worse than the AI

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Also I need that sweet seasonal challenge

carmine sleet
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Fair. So do I because I want to get as many points so I don't need to worry too much about running out

scarlet quiver
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I dont think a grunt could understand human words problems 😂

velvet rose
versed helm
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Bruh

velvet rose
#

today also a dude in halo 3 literally didn't want to drive in the hog just because i was on the turret CSGOMister

and when he finally decided to drive it,he stopped every 20 meters or so

cerulean ether
#

i wanna know some juicy Flipyap lore

versed helm
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He possibly has the same crown Truth wore

carmine sleet
#

That's YapYap, not Flipyap

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And even then, YapYap is known for making stuff up

patent dagger
versed helm
#

I'm playing with Europeans

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Well at least I think it's Europeans, given the North Europe server

versed helm
#

But he has the crown

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Possibly

stuck star
#

Is there still a Noble Team in the Halo universe today and if so is Jun the new Noble 1?

versed helm
#

so im trying to make my spartan on halo 5 look like an odst. would it be lore accurate if i used a dark green visor, or should i stick with a dark blue?

versed helm
stuck star
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@versed helm
Nice Profile Pic

versed helm
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Thanks

velvet rose
#

did any of the odst's from halo 3:odst become a spartan

just asking

gilded mason
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All of them

versed helm
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Yup! All did

gilded mason
#

Except for the dead one

versed helm
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All

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Except Rookie ||he gets freakin domed||

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He's sleeping with the fishes (literally)

velvet rose
#

oof

versed helm
keen warren
#

We don't know what happened to Dutch.

woven plaza
keen warren
#

Whatever happened to the Yanme'e?

gilded mason
gilded mason
versed helm
gilded mason
#

Many returned home
Though it was an odd thing to say, since...what counts as "home"?

versed helm
#

They home system I reckon

#

Their*

gilded mason
#

After all, there are yanme'e settlements on many worlds, and Malurok was specifically noted to have a Yanme'e population that lives and works with the Elites that also live there to make the planet more powerful in the post-war galaxy.

keen warren
gilded mason
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And that sort of "they went home" thing works even less for other species, since we're talking potentially many millions of grunts, jackals, etc. leaving homes they know on other colonies to go back to their homeworlds, which probably can't even support such massive influxes of people now needing support that doesn't exist. Instead of them staying in systems that they're already at and built a life on.

velvet rose
#

what's up with chips dubbo

keen warren
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Sly Marbo accidentally broke into the Halo universe and on his way out a sliver of him was left behind calling itself Chips Dubbo.

terse lava
#

Sad that I get the reference

keen warren
#

Nothing sad about knowing that.

velvet rose
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why aren't the covenant dropships from halo CE used anywhere outside of that game ?

gilded mason
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Because Bungie/343 didn't feel like using them (outside of H5 Warzone)

velvet rose
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343pls bring the magnet-shaped dropships back

woven plaza
#

tuning fork 🙏

upper crystal
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any 1 know where the arbiter is during halo infinite ? is he still alive

keen warren
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He was alive in 5 so I assume he is still leading his people.

craggy sierra
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He's leading the homefront defensive on Sanghelios against the Created

stable flower
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I believe Spirits were slowly phased out of service towards the end of the war and replaced by the Phantom.

keen warren
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That's the lore reason. I'm sure they just ran out of time to model them in 2.

unique rune
dire stag
#

Question: In H3 The Gravemind refers to chief as “The son of my enemy” and later on Guilty Spark refers to chief as “The child of my makers.” and “Forerunner”. I’ve heard old theories of Chief being the IsoDidact but just curious what the official meaning of the quotes are

gilded mason
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Those old theories were always wrong.

dire stag
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I figured that much

gilded mason
#

Officially, Graveboat could simply be referring to humans being Reclaimers.

dire stag
#

That’s what I thought until Guilty Spark’s quotes. Unless he’s referring to the fact that humanity came after the forerunners

gilded mason
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Mix of that and Spark not being all there, I imagine

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Of course, the line was probably meant to be interpreted as-is, back in 2007, since everyone at Bungie had different ideas about the Human-Forerunner Relation back then.

warm acorn
#

Are the Sabers still being used by the UNSC?

dire stag
gilded mason
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Yeah. During H3, some devs thought they should be directly Forerunners, and others thought otherwise.

dire stag
#

So it was 343i that set in stone what forerunners are then?

gilded mason
#

Sort of. In that they were continuing what the terminal writers went with.

stable flower
#

Did they change it so that non-human beings can activate installations now?

gilded mason
#

Don't think so

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Or rather, they probably could, if they bypassed enough of the intended code.

red finch
#

Well

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Its a genetic thing

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Even spark needed a human

gilded mason
#

He would never dare go against protocol

red finch
#

Until he did

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thunder

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Wait no

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Nvm

honest sinew
#

Poor Tartarus was so dumb

red finch
#

Tartarsauce be like dead monkey hours

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Then his nephew be like

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Arg

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Me also dumb

honest sinew
#

Thel gave him all the evidence he needed to prove the prophets betrayed them and he still tried to light the ring. His brutes just blindly follow and don’t know how to pilot ships.

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Lol

red finch
#

I recently put tartarus through a ai generator and it was funny.

keen warren
#

What was the A.I. like?

red finch
#

Well, I mean I made an A.I art app process a png of tartarus

keen warren
#

So, not something that generates A.I.s, got it. How did the picture turn out?

red finch
#

Good, gonna use it for some dumb Halo 2 MS paint meme thing if it ever comes into fruition

stable flower
honest sinew
vapid inlet
#

Hey guys so when did master chief (or spartans I dunno) get the grappling hook? Infinite or beforehand? Just finished the unsc archive trailer

unique rune
#

John presumably got it whenever he was issued his GEN3 armor.

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So at some point between February and October 2559.

vapid inlet
#

man thats so sick

covert dawn
#

It's interesting to see how long the grappling hook went from being developed to getting used in the field

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2549-2559 that's about 10 years, i wonder if it was being improved by the unsc or they slept on it until they were desperate for new gear and started pulling up old files after the created took over

crimson acorn
covert dawn
#

If they could get the prototype suit project back up and running imagine what an army of those things could do

crimson acorn
#

Were sabres ever actually mass produced?

#

Ooh yeah, the one shown in Legends?

unique rune
# crimson acorn Were sabres ever actually mass produced?

They were not, but enough were manufactured that a number of them are still in service at various UNSC installations.

Some of its tech did make its way into upgrade packages for other UNSC fighter craft like the Longsword and Broadsword.

velvet rose
#

was del rio fired from the unsc

unique rune
#

...Sort of?

#

Well, really, no.
The UNSC removed him from his command post on the Infinity but he was never actually given a punitive discharge or dismissal.
He ended up retiring and pursuing a career as a senator in the UEG.

stable flower
#

He was relieved of duty because FleetCom didn't take too kindly to him abandoning John on Requiem

pulsar grail
#

So Lasky will have to do

vale pendant
#

so if the ark is outside the firing range of the halos and safe, why didnt the forrunners like move people there, fire the rings, then colonize again?

cerulean ether
#

cani become a spartan 2?

#

pls

velvet rose
versed helm
#

How did the flood on high charity survive the firing of installation 08

humble yacht
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

It’s never been explained adequately

#

The gravemind got burned away but somehow combat forms didn’t

versed helm
#

I guess maybe because it wasnt complete the firing of the ring only killed some flood.

#

And the sentinels put up a quarantine

humble yacht
#

That’s what people say but it doesn’t really make sense

#

How could an incomplete firing kill the most powerful flood form but weaker forms are ok

versed helm
#

I dont know. Im just throwing out theories

#

It also spared the covenant. That isnt a spoiler thats been known since shadows of reach

humble yacht
#

It just sucks that these questions weren’t answered in ATN. It’s part of the reason I really don’t like the dlc

versed helm
#

Yeah hw2 has a lot of conviences that are never explained

hybrid juniper
#

My guess is since the ring was incomplete it was able to kill anything that had no shielding and the Gravemind happened to have some of his biomass outside of high charity. Inside high charity, the gravemind could have realized what was going to happen and potentially put some flood forms in some kind of temporary stasis, (like a cryo pod or something) or since the ring wasn't complete it couldnt penetrate the hull of high charity

humble yacht
#

Ngl that seems pretty flimsy

vale pendant
#

so im really currious. with the ending of halo 3, what was bungies intention with the legendary ending?

#

i mean we know what 343 did as story, but was this what bungie somewhat planned?

#

are there details on what bungies plan would have been with the implied legendary ending on h3

humble yacht
#

We don’t know

#

Bungie brainstormed ideas for a halo 4 but those plans turned into Reach

vale pendant
#

ah okay

craggy sierra
#

There's some concept art Bungie made of early Halo 4 plans that had robotic enemies. Nowhere near the look of the Prometheans but I do think they were going to probably take the story in a similar-ish direction. Granted it would've probably been done without trying to develop chief's character like 343 did.

last anchor
#

Its also possible that the construction of High Charity helped preserve some of the internal material. And of course, the majority of it was converted to Flood biomass, which is just living building material more or less, ergo; no actual nervous system to be effected

valid hemlock
#

not eating smirkle

#

me big brain supercool

last anchor
#

Presumably the same as any other species; the spores eventually go into hibernation of some form and can then be far easier to dispose of.

humble yacht
#

Yea but we saw combat forms flooding out of HC when the shield broke

#

Combat forms retain the nervous system of the host

last anchor
#

Some of those were Voridus's team so theres that.

#

But there were a LOT more than should have come from that two/three man squad its true

humble yacht
#

The numbers were too high to have all been fresh conversions

#

Yea

last anchor
#

My guess is that the construction of High Charity plus the interior being mostly Flood Biomass helped shield those forms.

humble yacht
#

That’s weaksauce to me

last anchor
#

(Shrug)
Best I got, mate.

humble yacht
#

Forerunners had to build entire special planets to effectively shield from the halo effect

valid hemlock
#

blame bungo, i suppose...?

stable flower
#

I guess that's why the combat forms' bodies didn't decay overtime

humble yacht
#

According the the forerunner trilogy, the forerunners spread a compound across flood infected worlds before firing the rings. This Solute dissolved the dead bodies left behind after the firing, turning them back to their base molecules, to prevent ecological destruction from all the rotting material that would have been left if they didn’t clean up

minor sky
#

Man, the next 72 hours or whatever is was called, kinda/sorta sucked

humble yacht
#

We see in the games that a pod infector can revive an intact combat form but I wonder if the same can be said of a combat form that had been hit with a halo

last anchor
#

Perhaps with time.

#

High Charity has been on the Ark for several years by the time of Halo Wars 2.

#

The Flood work FAST; they infected and converted all of High charity in a few MONTHS did they not?

humble yacht
#

With time what?

#

Also I’m pretty sure HC was converted in a matter of days, weeks at most

versed helm
#

not gonna lie seeing noble six die after all he did made me depressed

keen warren
#

Not even having an on-screen death for Rookie bummed me out but at least you were expecting it on Reach.

hearty peak
#

Rookie died?

versed helm
#

i got attached to everyone,very well written characters ,genuinely sad i lost everyone

gilded mason
hearty peak
#

Damn

#

At least Buck is doing fine

keen warren
woven plaza
#

big turning point for Alpha-Nine

crimson acorn
#

shot in the back of the head wasn't he?

keen warren
#

After having his knee blown out by the same woman.

crimson acorn
#

damn

versed helm
#

can someone more experienced in halo lore tell me why did the UNSC leave noble six to die like that?

keen warren
#

Technically it's all Mickey's fault.

#

The Rookies death, not Noble Teams.

hearty peak
keen warren
#

He's the playable character.

crimson acorn
#

They can't come back for him at that point, reach was dead

versed helm
#

cause it just baffles me that they would leave their best spartan behind like that

crimson acorn
#

It would have been a waste of resources for 1 spartan who they weren't even sure was alive

keen warren
#

If you want a decent answer it's because the Spartan III's were meant to be trained and die.

#

The UNSC could always train more.

hearty peak
versed helm
gilded mason
#

Hyper-lethal was just a dumb marketing term. 343 later reintroduced it to say all spartans are hyper-lethal.

versed helm
#

so noble six was just a spartan like anybody else? nothing special about him? they kinda hype him up in the campaign

keen warren
gilded mason
#

Actually, she never said it was John

keen warren
#

I should have said it was implied.

#

Didn't type it out my bad.

gilded mason
#

Halo Canon actually has a great video on that awful term. One moment.

#

There ya go

keen warren
#

That was my least favorite part of Halo Reach.

#

It also wouldn't make sense to have Six on the Pillar of Autumn due to lore.

#

Game lore, not book lore anyway.

#

Who else appeared in Halo First Strike? I remember Lisa but I can't think of the other two Spartans.

gilded mason
keen warren
#

He wasn't as heavily augmented as the II's either.

humble yacht
#

I wouldn’t quite phrase it that way. 3s got basically all the same enhancements, just the majority were drug induced rather than surgical

wispy wasp
#

But they were much safer and more practical, correct?

gusty star
#

Actually I’m pretty sure it was changed to all of the IIs being hyper-lethal

humble yacht
#

safer in that they didn't kill the subjects, yes

humble yacht
keen warren
#

I said that because I don't consider the use of drugs augmentation. Enhancement yes, augmentation seems more mechanical to me.

humble yacht
#

augmentation is just a fancy term for changing

#

specifically, changing to make something greater

honest sinew
#

Nylund tells the story so well about how the Spartan II’s became what they were

proper tangle
craggy sierra
#

Besides, most of his service record was even censored from his own squad. Why would a random ship captain know anything about him beyond a Spartan 3 who was sent to drop off the package?

astral dust
#

Are there any sources that are on Atriox or the Banished in general? Or a book about a brute or anything?

#

I've been drawn to brutes haha

humble yacht
#

Rise Of Atriox comic

astral dust
#

Thank you

honest sinew
#

Atriox = the only brute with a brain

humble yacht
#

Pavium has a brain

#

He thinks logically

#

Voridus, on the other hand…

stable flower
#

Escharum has one too

#

He was one of the few Brutes who saw through the Prophets' lies

woven plaza
#

i hope the whole 'brute monke' meme doesn't make people go "wtf brutes aren't all dumb as bricks wtffff?"

unique rune
#

The Halo community still struggles with the idea of the various Covenant client species not being insane monocultural societies who all follow the same exact ideologies so I wouldn't get my hopes up

#

Though part of that is arguably the fault of some of Halo's media itself

humble yacht
#

Bad guys dumb smirkle

woven plaza
gilded mason
humble yacht
#

Elites are basically vegeta

gilded mason
#

A vegetarian Vegeta...

versed helm
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is atriox leading the banished* on zeta halo?

gilded mason
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It has been stated that Escharum is doing that.

woven plaza
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no(t as far as we've seen yet)

humble yacht
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Escharum is the Tartarus of the banished smirkle

versed helm
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Escharum is the steve urkel of halo

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and who is Steve Urkel?

humble yacht
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Omg

stable flower
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I wonder who will be the Voridus of Escharum

humble yacht
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Hyperius

scarlet gyro
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How big is the banished anyways?

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Do they have their territory with planets, shipyards, factories and stuff or is it all commisioned/stolen?

tacit charm
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they have a cso, big enough

stable flower
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They seem to have lots of cells/sub-factions, like the one Escharum leads

last anchor
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Packs, yes. The Brutes are a pack species.

patent dagger
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kids are the most incompetent pieces of #### ive witnessed in the last 3 years
this 13 year old keeps being stupid in my halo server 😭
breaking everything
and breaking halo lore
and physics itself

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like dog when did the URF get so fast

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and have incredibly high amounts of units at there disposal

versed helm
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URF?

velvet rose
versed helm
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military sci fi halo is best halo

spare girder
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Few Questions: I'm a pc gamer and I never played Halo 5 because I couldn't, and heard lots of bad things about it. I am a bit confused as to what the "state of things are" before playing Infinite.
I have tried watching videos and reading but cant find a ton of answers..was hoping some of my fellow nerds can help me. So some questions I have:

  1. Is Cortana REALLY alive and the same being? Or is it just her program was segmented and corrupted? Or do we not know?
  2. What is the state of the UNSC? I know there was something about Cortana turning AIs against them. Is that galaxy-wide or just around Meridian? Is the UNSC still strong and powerful or completely crippled?
  3. What is the state of Earth? Kind of similar to question 2, is Earth still chilling ok? Or is humanity F***ed? Like how widespread is this.
    Because damn..If Cortana is the same person and evil...and the UNSC is all dead, and Earth/humanity is basically destroyed. I'm officially depressed/angry lol.

Idk about you guys, but Halo 4 was confusing for me, but I THINK I get it. 5 on the other hand... I never got into it and im afraid to. Looks SO confusing lol.

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Basically, I need people to give me a "State of the Galaxy" speech. If I posted this in the wrong channel, I apologize 😬

keen warren
# spare girder Few Questions: I'm a pc gamer and I never played Halo 5 because I couldn't, and ...
  1. It is the same Cortana, she's been cured of her rampancy and as of five believes A.I. are the true inheritors of the Mantle of Responsibility, meant to take care of the universe and any who oppose to their rule shall be brought to heel while those who accept their protection are given boons like the Unggoy home planet being terraformed to not be terrible again.
  2. UNSC is doing well, their fleet is starting to be bolstered by Covenant and Forerunner hybrid technology ships and they are recovering. Cortana convinced some A.I.s, not all of them.
  3. From what I can remember, Earth's status is not brought up in Halo 5, it's just a giant action scene with little exploration. If I could guess not having read the books, I'd say it's fine and they're working on terraforming the glassed part.
woven plaza
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gonna disagree with 1 sorta. It's unclear if it's 100% the same cortana or one of the rampant fragments from 4

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unless that's been clarified

keen warren
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I think it was clarified in the E.U. Not sure about that though, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

woven plaza
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to add on to 2. the biggest example is the UNSC Infinity, which at the end of 5 goes on the run, being the UNSC's biggest and most powerful warship

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but, the UNSC as an organization is rather crippled, post-5

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basically, humanity isn't dead but subjugated

keen warren
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I couldn't tell what was happening in 5.

woven plaza
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Cortana in 5 doesn't want to kill humanity (or the other races) but control them. End conflict and whatnot

keen warren
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That's what I was trying to say.

woven plaza
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as for 3. Earth is subjugated

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one of the few (known) planets to willingly accept Cortana's offer is Balaho, the homeworld of the grunts

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for them, the status quo sucked so much that Cortana's offer was a huge step up

spare girder
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Yeah i remember reading something about the grunts dealing with Cortana. Which I thought was funny

woven plaza
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5's story had a lot of missteps, both in some of the ideas and the execution, but it's canon. If you just want to catch up on the lore, you could probably just check out the article on halopedia

spare girder
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And I would hope that it's just a fragmented section of her...would break everyone's hearts if it was the exact same cortana from 1-4 lol plus wouldnt make sense to me personally

woven plaza
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yeah i like the fragment thing more. Makes more sense, forerunner magic or otherwise

spare girder
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I wonder how much infinite will have to do with 5 story line, or if they will try to stray away from that as much as possible and just focus on the new ring world

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only time will tell. Thanks for your guys' answers. Im pretty pumped regardless

woven plaza
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well, at the least it'll continue from after Halo 5 (not directly after though, there's a bit of a gap)

spare girder
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yea like a year and a half or so?

unique pine
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@spare girder "It’s so shiny! Me seem to member things looking preeeeeetty bleak there for a while, with me an’ all the other Unggoy spendin’ years just mostly running away from green demons, or mean boss flappy-mouths who just wanted to make sure we got shotted at first. But now… well now the blue lady helps us. I meen, it’s weird and confusing and all because she used to help the green guy be mean to us, then she was mean to the green guy, then nice to us… I don’t know, she’s definitely the most confusing blue lady I’ve seen – I mean, she’s really the ONLY one I’ve seen, but whatevers. Anyway, she must have feeled bad for us getting’ kicked around all the time cause now she sends us stuff to eat and things to be builded…"
— Hamyap on the Created occupation of Balaho

spare girder
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😂 They finally catch a break....Looking forward to a Grunt boss fight level some day

keen warren
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What game was it where John snuck up behind a grunt and scared it with "Boo."?

spare girder
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2

unique pine
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Wort wort wort

spare girder
keen warren
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That's the cutest Halo moment I've seen so far.

unique pine
# spare girder 😂 They finally catch a break....Looking forward to a Grunt boss fight level so...

Oh believe me, you will. Because from what I know, the Created are helping rebuild and terraform the homework of Unggoy. And that’s not all, they gave them access to unlimited resources such as food and build materials. Unggoy no longer need to focus on their survival and are actually looking forwards to their future for first time in a long time. I have read somewhere that their military is starting to mass produce a powered armour suit for Unggoy. So you better be ready for that

keen warren
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At least 343 is giving a good reason for grunt enemies, unlike Bethesda's use of Super mutants.

versed helm
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Alas having the URF as a worthy opponent towards the UNSC isn't exactly "lore accurate" as the URF is mostly random cells across all of the galaxy that just want to be left alone, they don't even help each other lol

versed helm
patent dagger
versed helm
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May I take a peak?

novel herald
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Hi all, i saw on amazon a new edition of the Halo Graphic Novel, i never read it, was wondering if there is a collection of books which includes it

neat harness
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So...
uhhhhh
Why we cannot use the sword on CE? (in a canonical way)

humble yacht
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There is no canonical reason

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It was merely a gameplay limitation

pulsar grail
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i thought it did have a canonical reason, o well

humble yacht
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In the game, the sword self destructs, and that’s used as the “reason” why we can’t use them. But in the lore it’s not like covenant weapons self destructed like that

versed helm
craggy sierra
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Probably because First Strike was written before Halo 2

terse lava
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Also likely just model varients

humble yacht
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Yeah I would say that in that case the lore was modeled after the gameplay for whatever reason

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I mean you can absolutely assign a lore-based reason behind the function. Built in self-destruct security feature, it goes unstable before we can pick it up, etc, but at its heart it’s a gameplay mechanic

viscid trout
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I just rationalize whenever a fuel rod gun blows up that one of your shots accidentally hit something important that made it explode.

terse lava
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No...its just a safety feature

crimson acorn
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Seems like a dumb idea to make a gun that can so easily blow itself up unintended

sick wren
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plus a fair amount of covenant tech shuts down if its user is killed

viscid trout
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Huh...weird

sick wren
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i mean its stated that most covenant tech just uses "brute force" in a sense to make all their tech work

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they take the shortest and easiest way of making anything work, even if its horribly inefficient

unique pine
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Does any novel continue the Halo the Cole Protocol?

sick wren
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no not really

elder swan
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Actually not unusually strange for people to use weapons in real life that injure or kill the user

sick wren
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the odd thing is that most novels take place during the beginning or end of the war

unique rune
sick wren
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oh yeah after they nuked a planet out of existence

versed helm
sick wren
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yeah i know but alot of books take place during the early years of the war

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theres some books that take place during the mid years, but compared to the others, its kinda hard to cover everything in a 30 year long war

craggy sierra
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There's not that many focused on the back end of the war.

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For the most part stuff in the middle doesn't need much expanding on cause it kinda was just the events of Reach going down planet after planet

sick wren
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true

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the games cover the back end pretty well

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the only game that covered the early war parts was "wars 1"

wide pendant
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Just wondering which book talk about the precursor said that "humans were next to hold the matal of responsibility" currently finsheding up the 3rd book of the forerunners, and heard that the reason the forrunner killed the precursor race for they were not pick to hold, but was picking others and hasn't said anything about humans. 🤔

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Re reading the books for the up coming game, is why I ask to think about that new boss we gonna fight soon.

humble yacht
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That stuff is in the forerunner trilogy

unique pine
terse lava
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Nor is it precursor

unique pine
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The forerunners when they learned that they were not to hold the mantle after having prepared and been groomed for millenia went mad because it went against everything they stood for and believed in, it was a part of their beliefs, culture, principles, religions etc etc

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It is like a part of them, so when they learned they were not chosen, they rose up against the creators and backstabbed them. The precursors could have fought back and beaten down the forerunners very easily without any effort, but they did not. They were not accustomed to using violence, they were so surprised, shocked and upset that they did not even fight back, they just let the forerunners kill them mostly without any resistance. It is like a parent is shocked that his child would take a knife and stab the parent in back, but the parent wont fight back because he is trying to process what just happened and yet does not want to hurt the child

terse lava
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Not being chosen was not the only reason, the Precursors also planned on outright erasing their entire species

humble yacht
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Well

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The forerunners thought that’s what they were planning

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It’s not like they heard from a precursor “hey y’all, you been great progeny and all but we’re letting the younger race inherit the mantle. Oh and also we’re annihilating your race in a month, so, get excited for that!”

terse lava
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Thr closest thing to say otherwise would be the gravemind, and he's not about to admit that. That would be justification for the Forerunner's actions against the Precursors

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Best to tell them they did it out of only jealously, to make them despair

humble yacht
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Jealousy and fear

terse lava
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Yep pretty much

versed helm
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If there was no sort of flood presence on a ring, would a species like humans be able to live on a ring?

humble yacht
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Yes

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Rings can support intelligent life

woven plaza
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Humans were on one of the rings... before the Didact composed them

rugged creek
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If an Elite was to be cooked and eaten, would it be considered red meat 🥩 or something else due to the fact that Elite flesh is purple and likely has a different chemical composition from Earth animals?

woven plaza
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best guess is saurian = lizard = tastes like chicken

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grunts canonically taste like lobster btw

tepid barn
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Yes

terse lava
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Always found that last one a tad weird. Isn't it just random marine banter, or actually something in canon?

woven plaza
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probably quasicanon

keen warren
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Or an attempt to animalize them.

versed helm
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Do moths exist in the halo universe?

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I sure hope not

keen warren
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Why?

wispy prawn
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Good question

keen warren
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I'm sure if you're talking about the insect they are, Earth is still around.

urban walrus
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They better

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Moths are actually kinda cute

crimson acorn
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What’s with the white Officer elite when going back to Sword Base in Reach’s Oni: Sword Base level?

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Is he anything special lore-wise? Or is he like a reference to anything?

remote spruce
crimson acorn
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Ah so he’s a non-conformist BOB?

unique rune
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Nah, there’s just some BOB Elites that come in random armor variations in white.

stable flower
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The BOBs in that level have a chance of randomly appearing as white non-Rangers.

last anchor
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I thought you couldn't eat Unggoy meat cause of the methane they breath

empty bridge
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aggile skimmers

honest sinew
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Toxic lobsters

versed helm
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The Red Lobster (rare)

cobalt quiver
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Besidea shadows of reach, are there any other required readings for divine wind?

humble yacht
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Not really required but reading the novels involving the Ferrets might help

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Would at least let you get to know them and the Keepers

sick wren
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the keepers are just pissed at every one now.

potent dagger
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Is there any lore that talks about what happened to fireteam Osiris after halo 5 and possibly during infinite?thinkingchief

cobalt quiver
sick wren
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buck is based

unique pine
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how many human soldiers were in service during the war against covenant?

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it has to be tens of millions at the very least

humble yacht
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More like billions

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Remember that modern day human population is almost 8 billion. In halo humans inhabit multiple worlds, many with populations similar to that size

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Iirc human causalities in the war was somewhere around 30 billion

unique pine
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yeah, but I think most of them were just civilians

humble yacht
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Probably, but still

versed helm
unique rune
chilly shuttle
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Is it worth playing Halo 5 to get caught up on the story for Infinite?

fair hazel
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If you’re able to it’s good to experience

chilly shuttle
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Alright. I'm watching a "movie" of the Halo Wars 2 story, since I absolutely suck at RTS games, so I'll start Halo 5 after that's done.

humble yacht
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Technically hw2 takes place after halo 5

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Might make more sense if you watch H5 first

chilly shuttle
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Fair, but I'm already pretty deep in the vid...

humble yacht
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You done goofed

chilly shuttle
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Kinda? Hasn't spoiled anything from 5 for me.

humble yacht
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Like I said, some parts of hw2 will make more sense if you know about H5

chilly shuttle
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At least so far.

sick wren
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mah dude its not that hard of an rts

chilly shuttle
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And yeah, I know most of the broad strokes of H5's story.

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I'd just be playing it for the full details.

sick wren
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trust me wars is one game where going easy is understandable awakening the nightmare ptsd comes back

chilly shuttle
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What's Bad Blood?

sick wren
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book

keen warren
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Bad Blood is the book that explains who the Halo 5 Spartans are.

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They don't do a great job of explaining it in-game.

sick wren
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ie. they don't explain at all

chilly shuttle
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I know Buck's the same guy from ODST.

keen warren
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I'm trying to be as nice as possible to Halo 5 but it's hard.

chilly shuttle
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Ohhh...

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Now, I'm starting to see why you guys said I goofed.

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Hi, Cortana.

keen warren
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The gameplay is good but the story is lacking in some parts.

chilly shuttle
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And now, Halo 5...

unique rune
# chilly shuttle What's Bad Blood?

Short novel that details what happened with Buck and Alpha-Nine after ODST.
Covers him becoming a Spartan-IV and why he was part of Fireteam Osiris.

humble yacht
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New Blood covers him becoming a Spartan IV

unique rune
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Oh whoops

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Right

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Bad Blood is post H5

humble yacht
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Bad blood covers breaking ||Mickey|| out of jail

chilly shuttle
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Gotcha.

woven plaza
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At most, new blood explains why Buck is a S-IV now

keen warren
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Did I swap that with the comic? Where do you find the origins for the others then?

humble yacht
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Each member of Fireteam Osiris is introduced in a different piece of media

keen warren
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So much extra reading.

humble yacht
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Locke: nightfall
Tanaka: escalation
Vale: Hunters in the Dark
Buck: halo 3 odst

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It’s not like you need to have been introduced to the characters previously to really understand them, tho

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At least not in the context of halo 5

chilly shuttle
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Locke's a bit of a you-know-what.

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I mean, then again, he's ex-ONI. Seems to be a common thread with those people.

carmine sleet
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Locke's one of the very few ok former ONI agents, he actually cared about saving people regardless of where they're from. It's why he was so mad when one of his teammates killed one of the scavengers on the Alpha Shard

cobalt quiver
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Did the covenant and/or banished officially refer to the Huragok as Engineers?

humble yacht
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I imagine that was the English translation for whatever they actually called them

carmine sleet
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And if there was no direct equivalent word, the closest word possible

terse lava
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There may have been a different covenant term for them, but "Huragok" was the forerunner name for them. Don't see them daring to change it

keen warren
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Don't the humans call them engineers because that's what the Huragok did for the covenant when first encountered?

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From when the Spartan (I don't remember is it was John or someone else) saw them taking apart a car.

trim summit
trim summit
keen warren
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It was the book, couldn't remember which.

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But it was the first time the Huragok were encountered.

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I've always assumed that's where the human name came from at least.

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Like the Unggoy being the grunts of the Covanent so they were called grunts by the troops.

uneven crater
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after halo cryptum

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when the rings fire

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what happens to iso didact

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and offensive bias

keen warren
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Iso died I assume.

uneven crater
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to the ring?

gilded mason
uneven crater
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really?

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where do i read about that

gilded mason
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He presumably died of old age by 2552

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Halo Fractures

uneven crater
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oooo okay

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i read the forerunner trilogy and it kind of just ends with the rings firing

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but i got fractures which i'll read next

terse lava
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Yep its the story, "Promises to Keep" and an un named story in the back as well

versed helm
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Cortana looks like MasterChef mum.

terse lava
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Well she made from the scan of a cloned brain of Halsey, who the Spartans saw as a mother-like figure

crimson acorn
keen warren
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That puts the great picture in my head of Halsey was sitting in a lab talking to her brain with some googly eyes stuck to it while Cortana was being made.

humble yacht
mortal socket
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excuse me?