lore-and-universe

[lunar drum]

Can the government abduct you if you are a ward of the government? 🤔

[violet notch]

So do all Installations have quarantined Flood samples? Or just the Halo arrays?

I think it's just the Halos. Since those would be the best place to put it. Right next to the only weapon that can stop it if it gets out.

[stable flower]

I think the Line Installation had Flood samples

[lunar drum]

Im arguing about semantics at this point.

[violet notch]

Oh wait. The shield world from Wars 1 had them too didn't it?

Makes you wonder why the hell the Forerunner would keep so many Flood alive if firing the Halos was such a desperate attempt to stop it in the first place?

I get keeping a few alive for study on the off chance they'd be encountered again, you need information and possibly a cure.

But so many?

There should have just been 1 dedicated facility for the post-firing studies, and plop it on or near a Halo just in case.

But not litterally spread the plague all over the galaxy by putting samples on so many facilities.

[hybrid juniper]

I don't think those were thrusters I think it was just from entering atmosphere

[violet notch]

Doing basically what it was trying to do in the first place for it.

[unique pine]

After October 28, 2558, the Unggoy on Balaho allied themselves with Cortana and the Created, and they were granted with nearly limitless resources: ships loaded with advanced technology arrived, new agricultural support stations appeared in orbit, awaiting eager workers to feed the desperate masses below. This gave the chaotic conditions of Balaho a semblance of stability and order, as well as a new purpose. With their pressing requirements – food, shelter, medicine – met, Balaho's finest designers and crafters set out to work tirelessly to build their future.

What tf is going on with unggoy post war

[stable flower]

Unggoy are like that when it comes to allegiances

[hybrid juniper]

It actually increases friction with air just spread out more

And then when the air brakes fell off velocity rose again and it started burning

Idk

I don't think so

I think UNSC just uses air brakes

[ornate pilot]

Hey guys, I’m trying to get into the halo lore that explains a lot of the characters in 5 and all the happenings leading up to infinite but feel like I don’t even know the first place to look. Any recommendations on how to get caught up? I’ve played all the games but feel like I’m still missing a lot

[honest trout]

I would recommend you start with halo: the fall of reach

[hybrid juniper]

Play the games, read fall of reach, read contact harvest, read hunters in the dark, and read Shadows of reach, and then the new book that just came out.

Read the flood if you want to but it's just halo ce for the most part

Yeah

[ornate pilot]

Ok, will do. Thanks for the tip

[ornate pilot]

Definitely, thanks man. Appreciate that

[hybrid juniper]

Were just gonna have to agree to disagree.

[ornate pilot]

Thank you!

[hybrid juniper]

Also watch Halo Canon, he's not right 100% of the time but he is most of the time and it's a good way to get a broad understanding of something you might not understand

[tacit charm]

read the wiki

[unique pine]

the prophets of covenant believed that the humans were descendants of forerunners even to their last dying moments?

[humble yacht]

Kind of

The high prophets did believe that humans were either left behind forerunners or descendants of left-behind forerunners, which is why they hated them. The very existence of humanity invalidated the core belief that their gods (the forerunners) all transcended to godhood.

If some forerunners didn’t transcend then that would bring into question whether or not transcendence was even real or that all of the covenant could do it

[unique pine]

that makes sense with what I know from the games and novels, even prophet of truth said it before his death, ''your forefathers''

[humble yacht]

Yes

And this all started because of a mistranslation

[gilded mason]

"Oh, great Oracle, why did you tell me that the humans were your makers?"

<I THOUGHT IT'D BE FUNNY>

[latent thunder]

Master chief go BRRRRRRRR

[unique pine]

it doesnt help that the covenant found the halo rings soon after encountering the humans, believing them to be in human space and that the gateway to the ark was on earth, and the portal on Reach

it made the prophets' beliefs only more and more firm

[blissful karma]

Spartans never die

[quartz prairie]

Green guy go pew pew

[deft coral]

Has anyone read Divine Wind yet?

[gilded mason]

Yes, it can be talked about here: #485883236430512168

[tight wing]

Hey a guys

Are there lore people awake? I have more burning questions!
So in Halo 2, we know the Covenant were digging for the Ark at Africa, right?
What was humanity doing while they were digging?
We know the ODSTs rescued a Heragok to try and find out WHAT the Covenant were digging for. But did the UNSC never try to stop the Covenant from digging in the first place?

[gilded mason]

They didn't really have the resources to try until the events of Halo 3.

[tight wing]

So they just had to sit and watch basically.
Maybe repel some forces that came too close, but they pretty much let the Covenant do their digging

[tight wing]

What came at Halo 3? Aside from the Chief that is.

Did more back fleets arrive from neighboring planets?

[gilded mason]

They planned the frigate/longsword attack run for after all the anti-air was destroyed that'd prevent it. And I guess John's touch-down coincided with the planned assault.

[tight wing]

That's the mission you do right?

Chief takes out the AA guns, but as he does so, High Charity appears

Is that the attack run you're referring to?

[gilded mason]

High Charity is way later in the game

Are you thinking of the cruiser after the attack run fails?

[tight wing]

I'm thinking of the AA gun you have to turn off when you're at Voi, but then as you do so, High Charity slipspaces in

What is the longsword attack you're referring to? Where was this mentioned?

[gilded mason]

That's not High Charity. That's just a cruiser

We see HC much later and explore it to find Cortana, remember?

[gilded mason]

We literally see longswords and frigates in the cutscene attack the keyship at Voi. That's what I'm referring to.

[tight wing]

Oh my bad

I totally misremembered that

But yes, Chief destroying the AA guns is what allows Hood to launch the airstrike in an effort to destroy the ark.

But then Truth escapes using the ark, and thats when the flood arrive.

Am I following properly?

[gilded mason]

Ark portal, not the Ark itself, but yes.

[last anchor]

So, apparently the new Hydra model has "URNA Seattle Complex" written on its grip, which I find interesting.
Im sure its a reference to 343s real world location, but I wonder what the lore reasoning is.
Does Charblys have a production facility in the Seattle area then? Are they one of the companies involved in the afformentioned "shadow wars" of Halo 5s flavor text?

Also unless Im mistaken this is the first time in-game we've heard reference to the URNA

[last anchor]

Inside Infinite also features a manufacturing icon of two unicorns crossed, which I cant help but imagine is 343s in-universe logo

[stone wharf]

Guys, I was poking around in the Halo Subreddit, getting a discussion going etc. And I was pleasantly shocked and surprised with the amount of people that actually want to see Chief get absolutely bodied by Atriox when they inevitably have their first encounter

[last anchor]

Its the inevitable response; Chief is the protagonist, so they wanna see him loose because no one expects that.
That being said:
A) We already saw that with Atroix fighting Red Team, and despite his apparent casualness, he proceeds to do everything he can to never face them again in combat. Im pretty sure he realized just how close he came to having his face removed, and has no intention of facing another Spartan in CQC

and B) Atroix isnt on 07. Presumably he's...off somewhere else if I had to guess, I lost track of him after Shadows of Reach.

So its not likely. And Reddit is Reddit.

[stone wharf]

That being said though, if they were to meet. Idk, say Chief’s encounters and subsequent dispatching of Hand of Atriox members, a group which is presumably comprised of his most fearsome lieutenants, were to force his hand and compell him to intervene personally, I think it could spell doom for the Chief. The guy’s a master tactician who could easily set a trap and catch him off guard with an enemy he’s never faced before, one that knows how it feels to be the monster their war created. I never finished Shadows of Reach, but from what I remember, Atriox took the portal from the Ark back to Reach and his return has since been logged by ONI so he could be anywhere.

I for one think it’s necessary for Atriox to go in this direction since they really need to capitalise on how menacing he truly is, especially if they’re gonna move forward with Banished as the new Covenant in Halo’s future. And what better way to show that than to have him best humanity’s savior? I’m just thinking that if he was able to do that to three Spartan IIs who were in their prime, then Chief doesn’t really stand a chance.

[tawny mirage]

The lore makes no sense at times but you should talk more about Banjo Kazooie lore

[silent juniper]

Did Red Team canonically have shields during their fight? I know in gameplay they have shields but since only Mark Vs were supposed to have shields would Red Team have had them at all? It wouldn't make the biggest difference but... Gen3 armor is also supposed to be a hell of an upgrade to Gen2 or Gen1. In the end we'll have to see where it goes, I also feel like Atriox is the type to live and fight another day in the end as opposed to going down swinging.

[stone wharf]

I have no idea, it certainly didn’t show during their encounter so maybe it’s just a case of dissonance between the gameplay and the story. As for Gen3 and how it’d hold against Atriox? I didn’t think of that, I suppose it could possibly help Chief out during the battle but even then, big guy’s not gonna make it easy for him. I think if nothing else, Atriox will emerge victorious but be forced into a retreat when backup arrives for the Chief.

[tired prairie]

🤔

[tacit pecan]

No. Red Team is using the Mark IV armor, which did not have shields. And at no point during the Spirit of Fire's drifting would they have had the chance to upgrade to at least Mark V.

[humble yacht]

Red team upgrades their suits with spare GEN2 parts lying around when they arrive on the ark

Parts left behind by the spartan iv security teams that the banished took out before they got there

[stable flower]

There were SIVs in the Ark Security Detachment?

[humble yacht]

There had to have been

Otherwise why would GEN2 parts be lying around

[tacit pecan]

Where is it said that they upgraded using GEN2 parts?

[humble yacht]

Somewhere

[stable flower]

I always thought Red Team was upgraded by Isabel or some other explanation for their in-game upgrades

[humble yacht]

I never played the game I just read the synopsis

[versed helm]

Is odst cannon?

[tacit pecan]

Yes, ODST is Canon.

[stable flower]

Yes. It's a grey area between an expansion pack and a full game.

[versed helm]

Oh, was it reach then?

[tacit pecan]

There's in-game upgrades, and there's actual upgrades mentioned as part of the story.

I've played HW2 and I don't remember seeing anywhere that Red Team upgraded their armor.

[tacit pecan]

Was what Reach?

[humble yacht]

It was mentioned in a canon fodder

[fair hazel]

Red team had shields since halo wars 1

[humble yacht]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/the-art-of-war-s

[terse lava]

Protypes apparently

[tacit pecan]

Halo Wars 1 takes place before they get shields for the armor.

[stable flower]

Originally it was a gameplay reason, but they later retconned their shields as being prototypes

[terse lava]

^

Yeah...idk why they did that

Nothing wrong with the "just a gameplay feature"

[humble yacht]

You’d think that

Especially considering how fast and loose Bungie played with the canon

[terse lava]

Quite

[humble yacht]

Maybe it was ensemble who wanted it to fit into canon, who knows

[terse lava]

Hm? Was quite certain it was 343 when they took over

Ensemble, and later Robot never did that

And Bungie...well we all know how they felt about Halo Wars

[tacit pecan]

As core components of Mjolnir powered assault armor cannot be replicated by the Spirit of Fire, the Spartans of Red Team will look to take advantage of GEN2 parts recovered from UNSC outposts, ingenious reverse-engineered solutions developed by Serina, and deft modifications made by Isabel to stay in the fight.
I see...

[tacit pecan]

Out of all the things in Halo canon that make no sense, that makes the least amount of sense.

[humble yacht]

Bungie was still running halo when HW1 was made

[terse lava]

I wouldn't say that anymore these days

They were yes

Thus my statement

Bungie did not like Halo Wars

[humble yacht]

Right

So I don’t understand why you mentioned 343

[last anchor]

Pheonix Logs

[terse lava]

Oh, because I was under the impression it was 343 who did the "red team had proto shields"

[humble yacht]

Oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse lava]

Where's with Esemble and Robot, "just a gameplay festure guys"

[tacit pecan]

Sounds like a 343 thing to do.

[terse lava]

....man I miss Esemble

[tacit pecan]

Ensemble seemed like chill dudes from the vidocs I've seen.

[terse lava]

They were

[tacit pecan]

I'll have to give those another look sometime.

I know I've read almost all of them.

[terse lava]

Those are an enjoyable read, a shame that wasn't done to such detail with HW

Always love some covie lore

[humble yacht]

I would have never guessed

[terse lava]

I know right? Big news i say

[vapid inlet]

hey around halo 3 and halo 3 odst was it assumed master chief was the only spartan left?

or were there others in novels or something

[sterile prairie]

there were definitely others around

[waxen blade]

pretty sure jun was alive

and well

[vapid inlet]

oh yeah jun lol

[sterile prairie]

but i'm not sure if their existence was available to public knowledge

[vapid inlet]

ahhh gotcha

[waxen blade]

if you guys didn't know noble six actually outlives keyes

noble six died on august 30th 2552

and keyes died on like

september 21st

[sterile prairie]

didn't noble 6 die on the same day keyes left reach

[vapid inlet]

wait wow

[waxen blade]

no he was alive for a month

[sterile prairie]

canon or headcanon

[unique rune]

...How would B312 outlive Keyes if September comes after August?

[vapid inlet]

omg no freakin way

[waxen blade]

he dies after the entire events of ce

[versed helm]

^^^^^

[waxen blade]

wait

[sterile prairie]

im so lost, i can't tell if archvile is being sarcastic or not

[vapid inlet]

wait but isnt the lone wolf mission right after the ship takes off?

[sterile prairie]

exactly

[waxen blade]

sorry I forgot the order of the months lol

[vapid inlet]

oh hahaha

[sterile prairie]

and keyes doesnt die until a while after

[versed helm]

bruh

[sterile prairie]

oh

lol

[waxen blade]

bruh

I actually forgot the order of months

I forgor 💀

[vapid inlet]

lmao

was gonna say, a month of just full on fighting for survival sounds cracked

[sterile prairie]

lmfaooo

[waxen blade]

I was thinking 6 was just roaming reach until then

[vapid inlet]

ye fair

wait were there even any human survivors on reach?

like at all

[waxen blade]

probably

[vapid inlet]

ye anyway i was just wondering because in halo 5 master chief gets his old squad back or something

where the heck where they lol

[unique rune]

I'm trying to think through this question and it's... honestly hard to say, with all of the additions to the Spartan-II roster over the years since.

At the time 3/ODST were written, yes, John would've likely been the last Spartan to actually be confirmed active in the field.

Blue Team had gone off to Onyx and pretty much disappeared for a pretty long stint.
Red Team would still be MIA and drifting with the Spirit of Fire.
Gray Team would've been out of UNSC contact at that point.
Maria-062 was still retired/reserve.

But additions like Naomi-010 and Omega Team (Leon-011, Robert-025, August-099) make it hard to say because we don't know what they were up to at the time of the Battle of Earth.

[vapid inlet]

oh yup nevermind

[vapid inlet]

Ah i get it thank you

[unique rune]

Dunno where Black Team was either. So, yeah, back in '07 John could probably be accurately described as the 'last' Spartan-II, but additions to canon over time have changed that.

And this is before even getting into Spartan-IIIs. Feel like that would be a real headache.

[vapid inlet]

spartan-IIIs were introduced in reach?

or no

[unique rune]

Spartan-IIIs were properly introduced with Ghosts of Onyx in 2006. Halo Reach was the first time any appeared in-game, though.

[carmine sleet]

And it is important to note that by the time of Halo 3, there is allot of S-III Gammas fighting somewhere

[vapid inlet]

yeah ok i guess im missing a bucket load of information from other media lol

ohoho the pin seems to have a lot.

[stable flower]

The Keepers aren't allied with the Banished anymore, right?

[gilded mason]

As soon as they took that lich, the alliance was over.

[wide osprey]

I'm reading Ghosts of Onyx right now actually! I have a SPARTAN-IV character for a story so I've been lore binging

[stable flower]

I'm starting to wonder how many troops the SOF crew have left by Divine Wind

[versed helm]

Not a lot but not so little they don't have a chance. And remember, they have three spartan 2's. That has to count for something

[south matrix]

Why did elites sounds like Exile from a forgotten xbox game "Tao Feng"?

[pulsar grail]

didn't like most of their troops and vehicles get glassed by the banished

[dusky zenith]

you guys know that silent shadow elite that got betrayed by his own team how tf did he survive and get a new arm

it even shows in the trailer i think

[carmine sleet]

I don't think Jega's the same Elite that got betrayed by his team in the story which showed a team betraying their leader to join the Banished

[dusky zenith]

well it realy confuses me then who is jega

[carmine sleet]

He's a new character introduced in Infinite

[dusky zenith]

amazing

left arm is a prosthetic arm similar to Kat's from Halo Reach but with Banished upgrades and changes. He probably ripped it off a spartan and used it as a replacement. Either way, HE'S A BADASS!!! Just like Xytan 'Jar Wattinree. Hopefully he turns out to be an amazing character and some juicy lore about his arm and history with spartans appears in Infinite also he says "say good hi" witch probly means that elites cant pronounce the B letter

[carmine sleet]

We hear Elites pronouncing the letter B in a bunch of media

And I doubt he took the arm off of a Spartan

[dusky zenith]

lets just be honest the way Imperial Admiral elite died to a dumb grunt is kinda sad

do you think rtas 'vadum is gonna be in halo infinite

[carmine sleet]

Doubt it

[honest sinew]

I think it’s possible as an NPC in the campaign

It would be cool if he and Thel were allied NPC’s that control a certain portion of halo

[humble yacht]

It wouldn’t really make sense for them to be there

For one thing, as far as we know, the SoS and the Banished aren’t engaged in combat with each other. And also, the SoS has to deal with the guardian at Sanghelios, as well as the leftovers from their civil war

[honest sinew]

Well It’s a ring and I’m sure sanghelios is at war with the banished

[humble yacht]

There is nothing to suggest that they are

[honest sinew]

I thought most of that war had blown over by this time but that’s a good point

The only thing is SoS is allied with UNSC

[carmine sleet]

They're definitely not on friendly terms with the Banished but I doubt Arbiter is actively trying to wage war with them right now

Since, you know, the current crisis is kinda more important to focus on

[honest sinew]

Right. The ring is a key strategic position just like the rest

[carmine sleet]

Which the Arbiter isn't at because he's on his homeworld dealing with the Created threat there

[honest sinew]

Still don’t know why the banished chose that one in particular

True

A unified Sanghelios is strong AF. They’re the only reason why the covenant were undefeated.

[tacit charm]

honestly im still waiting to see the infinity one shot a cso and going up against a guardian

[versed helm]

To the older topic

I reckon we could see some friendly elites as there were a couple SoS on the Infinity

[swift kelp]

Elites are taller than most spartans I doubt a spartan prosthetic would fit on him

[main rivet]

I think the bigger issue is trying to adapt a working prosthesis made for an entirely different species to Elite physiology sounds like a lot more work than just making one for him from scratch.

[craggy sierra]

The plot mcguffin Auditorium

[honest sinew]

Ah gotcha

[terse lava]

Cone to think of it, have we even been told how the Banished even came across the halo?

[humble yacht]

No

[mellow thorn]

Theyre just there from what ive seen.

[woven plaza]

I feel like Infinity's elites would be more diplomatic/noncombatant
then again in the context of Elites there might not be such a distinction

[honest sinew]

So far what I’ve gathered is the Auditorium is what the banished are racing you and the UNSC for control of. Some say that it could grant the ranks of the banished with the same powers over the installations as the reclaimers and that’s why they are after it. But with that being said, I still don’t quite understand why they would want that since Atriox doesn’t believe in the Great Journey and rather resents it because of all of the men he lost pointlessly. I guess it’s just like nukes. No one wants to use them but it’s useful to have them so no one can use them to threaten you.

[woven plaza]

It'd be interesting to see the various Infinity peeps outside of the books or lore blurbs

[hard hawk]

Since Grifball is a gamemode that keeps on returning as some sort of event, Does that make Grif and other RvB Characters canon in the Halo Universe? (He's also an outfit for Xbox 360 Avatars.)

[gilded mason]

No.

[hard hawk]

Okay, thanks for the info.

[carmine sleet]

Red Vs Blue is it's own separate universe, even if it looks like Halo

[humble yacht]

There is a canon combat sport in halo, tho

Ricochet

[woven plaza]

can lekgolo be defeated with salt

serious question

phantom ping detected

[versed helm]

Yeah I wrote the Rubicon author but forgot her usrname may be tagged as a slur lol

The Rubicon Protocol*

[woven plaza]

Good ol' non-spartan Kelly

[versed helm]

Anyway it was in a reply to your previous message that she's writing a book that tells what happened in between the UNSC getting it's butt kicked and Infinite

[cobalt quiver]

If the armada the size of the one that invaded Reach invaded Earth, would Earth stand a better chance?

[gusty star]

Where has it been said that it takes place before Infinite

Because it could take place concurrently

[unique rune]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/parallel-threads

As you may have been piecing together throughout previous trailers and information drops, Halo Infinite’s campaign begins roughly six months after UNSC forces were ambushed at Zeta Halo. During that time, the UNSC has been mounting a resistance on a shorn fragment of the ring, desperately trying to hold out long enough for hope to arrive. In Halo: The Rubicon Protocol, you’ll get a unique glimpse of humanity’s struggle to survive amidst a growing Banished occupation that takes place in that period.
I mean. The wording pretty heavily implies it’s set in the six months before the game.

[gusty star]

Oh no that actually confirms it not just implies it

[versed helm]

Nope

Although earth would not be fully glassed right away since the ark portal was in africa.

[unique pine]

Only a part of Africa was glassed to stop the flood

[gilded mason]

They're saying they'll leave parts of Earth unglassed since they wouldn't want to damage Forerunner tech.

Though the Covenant don't glass entire planets, either way

[unique pine]

Parts of earth? Who said that?

[gilded mason]

Although earth would not be fully glassed right away

[unique pine]

From what the sources and canon say, only a part of Africa has been glassed

[gilded mason]

The subject was a hypothetical Earth invasion with a fleet the size of Reach's.

Nothing to do with the Flood

[versed helm]

Yes

Earth's forerunner ties saved the human race

Well it was one of the things that saved it

[honest trout]

“Luck”

[versed helm]

Memes

[north galleon]

Fal 'Chavamee is op

[woven plaza]

ahem

Del Rio/Sentzke/Giraud dream team

[fair hazel]

Giraud you mean?

[woven plaza]

ah yeah, ty

[stable flower]

So who leads the Banished on The Ark now that Atriox is on Reach?

[torpid lily]

Was alpha halos range able to reach earth?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[torpid lily]

Okay thank you

[humble yacht]

Earth was within 25000 light years of alpha halo? Wow

[gilded mason]

Yup. 04 is actually the closest Halo to Earth.

[humble yacht]

Small galaxy

[torpid lily]

Crazy how a huge ring world wasn’t found before

But I’m sure humanity was busy with other things

[gilded mason]

Remember, space is big. It'd be the equivalent of finding a microscopic needle in a ten-story haystack.

The only reason it was ever found was because Cortana discovered coordinates to it.

[torpid lily]

Was threshold discovered before them?

[gilded mason]

Nah, they were both found at the same time

[stable flower]

It's pretty ironic how the first Halo ring humanity discovered is within range of Earth

[warm acorn]

Forge World in Halo Reach is the Alpha Halo right?

[unique rune]

No

It's a simulated ring environment
Not officially identified as a specific installation

[gusty star]

But most likely it is an exact replica of a real location, as all the maps in multiplayer are

In this case the location it’s based off of is most likely Alpha Halo

[unique rune]

Sure, but it’s not canonically been stated to be Installation 04.

Or any specific ring, for that matter. For all we know it could be a composite of sites from different installations, or a location shared across multiple.

But there ultimately is no official word on where exactly it’s supposed to be from.
I know this sounds pedantic but I just think it’d be a bit misleading to assume that it is from one of the rings designated as Alpha.

[gusty star]

I suppose that makes sense, but it I think the foundation for it that they added terrain structure from other rings to is implied to be Installation 04.

[fair hazel]

In fireteam raven, the area looks very much like forge world area

[gusty star]

That's one of the hints that it is based primarily off of 04

[vapid inlet]

Is the didact gone for good in the end of halo 4?

[fair hazel]

No

[gilded mason]

We see him again in the Escalation Arc "The Next 72 Hours"

[fair hazel]

He's contained in the domain

[gilded mason]

Which is where this ^ happens.

He got composed.

[vapid inlet]

Oh daaaaaaamn

[gilded mason]

So he's still "alive" but 343 deemed him to be "extraneous" to the story and wrote him out of it by doing that.

So he still might come back one day. Or he might not.

[vapid inlet]

Wait is the domain the thing cortana was using in halo 5?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[vapid inlet]

Ah ok

[fair hazel]

It is an ancient repository of knowledge in a way. It has an interesting nature of changing at certain occasions

[vapid inlet]

Speaking of cortana, is there info on what happened to her?

[gilded mason]

All we know is in the trailers

[vapid inlet]

Ahhhhh man can't wait for infinite

Finished mcc

Halo wars 2 comes next right?

Well, after 5

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[fair hazel]

You know what?

Orion forge really should be the one to impact the spirit of fire

Either be the one who sent them to the ark. Or “rescue” them somehow. Help them.

Narratively speaking

[woven plaza]

do i detect autocorrect at work

[gilded mason]

What do ya mean?

[woven plaza]

I realized pins probably meant Rion Forge

[gilded mason]

Orion is her full name

[woven plaza]

I was sitting thinking "who the heck is Orion Forge"

huh

[gilded mason]

Pins really likes using Orion instead of her preferred nickname.

[fair hazel]

Orion is a cool name to be fair.

[gilded mason]

It is.

[fair hazel]

Well I didn’t say Lucy Orion Forge.

[gilded mason]

Oh yeah. There was a "Lucy" in there, wasn't there.

[velvet rose]

How do spartan visors work ?

they aren't transparent at all,yet spartans can see everything just fine

the mcc animated visor cosmetics (VISR augments as the game calls them iirc) make it even more confusing

and (some) halo online helmets that were added in mcc don't even have a visor (example: HIVEMIND-class mjolnir)

[dusky zenith]

guys what happens if a spartan gets infected

[velvet rose]

like by flood ?

he simply turns into a combat form

[terse lava]

Along with the UNSC, if they are aware of it, will nuke and MAC round the while area

[unique pine]

no, a spartan just becomes combat form, nothing special

[tacit charm]

think he's just referencing corruptor or protocol for flood infected spartans

[tight wing]

Dregg?! You're in this Discord too?

Also, yes, Spartans aren't any different from normal schmucks like you and me

[tacit charm]

im in alot of halo discords

[vapid inlet]

are the flood done for completely in like halo 4 and 5?

[tacit charm]

theres most likely still some outside the galaxy, no not on the ark but across neighbouring galaxies

[unique pine]

during the human-flood war and human-forerunner war, the flood retreated and left the galaxy

it is said that the flood went to the nearby galaxies and.. ''converted'' them before returning to the galaxy to finish the forerunners off

[humble yacht]

where does it say that second part

[tacit charm]

either in h3 or forerunner saga when gravemind was talking to the chief or library

otherwise

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, I don't see anything about them going off to infect other galaxies on Halopedia

[tacit charm]

it was somewhat implied by the end of h3 where he tells the chief of consuming bones of galaxy though that can also be easily interpreted as being the milky way and not other galaxies

then there's the conversation the grave has with the librarian in silentium

[versed helm]

Finally my copy of Divine Wind arrived

soo I will be able to join the lads in the spoiler chat

[wispy prawn]

Ever wish cryo was real so you could wake up in 2022 summer and have forge and co op campaign

[humble yacht]

cryopreservation is real

you can even pay to have your body frozen if you want

of course you have to be dead first

[primal thunder]

And who knows if they could even wake you up?

I don’t buy it

[gaunt oak]

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[woven plaza]

the whole idea behind current day cryo is literally kicking the issue down the road until someone else figures it out

[primal thunder]

Right, but now there’s two problems to solve. The thing that killed you, and whatever they did to freeze you. I don’t personally believe that anyone who’s been frozen to date has a great chance of waking up, but that’s just me and I could definitely be wrong.

[woven plaza]

yeah it's pretty much two problems for future people to solve

1. whatever made you go for cryo

2. making you re-alive

[primal thunder]

Exactly

I love that terminology btw 🤣

[fair hazel]

Today is a good day for lore fans!

[silent juniper]

Happy Birthday Fall of Reach

[terse lava]

Is it? Just got off work, what i miss?

[carmine sleet]

Fall of Reach released on this day 20 years ago

[terse lava]

I did notice that yeah, I just assumed in celebration, there had been some type of lore dump I was unaware of

[versed helm]

Ah yes. The bible

[viral mortar]

Hey I just finished Halo 1 CE and was wondering if someone could explain this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4UfN4KHak
So if they did this before and it didn't work since the flood came back, why would Monitor think that doing it again would work?

[unique rune]

The Halo Array worked as intended. The Flood only came back in the Milky Way galaxy due to failures in containment protocols.

[viral mortar]

Oh interesting...

so I guess I'll find out more in the upcoming games about that too?

[unique rune]

If they fired the rings again, it'd still wipe out any Flood infestations not specially protected against their effects.

[unique rune]

I would say so, yes. Halo 2 goes a bit more into it.

[viral mortar]

nice thanks

[unique rune]

Though CE does kinda introduce the containment failure thing, since the Flood only got out on Installation 04 because of the Covenant's tampering.

[viral mortar]

yeah that I got, something like the covenant ventured into somewhere they shouldnt have but just wondering what exactly the flood 'is' or originated from or why it was even locked up or something - but i just wanted to make sure i didnt miss anything in halo 1 so far. but dont tell me hahah, i appreciate you kept it spoiler free so far

[honest trout]

If you want to know where the flood came from, you could read the forerunner trilogy (or look it up on halopedia)

[viral mortar]

oo ok dope thanks

[stable flower]

I wonder how the Banished felt when the Great Schism started

[humble yacht]

they probably laughed

[last anchor]

"This says The Bibble."
"YOU QUESTION THE WORD OF THE MIGHTY NYLUND?!"

(If I could post tiktoks on here I'd do that for the meme I made of just that)

Thats exactly what they did.
Atriox: "Its free real estate"

[honest sinew]

They gained a lot more followers from that. Those that disagreed with how half of the council was off’ed but also didn’t take kindly to joining the humans’ side would very likely join Atriox and the banished

Truth was a fool for betraying the elites but hell…he knew where the arc was and figured he would only need mindless soldiers like the brutes to blindly help him light the rings.

[versed helm]

Are you playing the series for the first time

[wispy prawn]

He betrayed the elites because they were catching on to the fact that the great journey is fake. The brutes followed him without question. Truths plan was to light the rings and be the only one in the galaxy alive, well besides the rest of the prophets from high charity that went for a shield world but he would rule over them. In the video we see of the four runners lighting the ring there in that room imagine they light the rings and have to go on a walk to be outside to die from rings. That would be so difficult.

[stable flower]

Truth needed followers with more brawn than brains

[craggy sierra]

Not really

Truth's plan kinda hinged on his following not having the capacity to call him out

[honest sinew]

Like I said, mindless soldiers aka brutes

Atriox is kinda smart though lol. He left.

[woven plaza]

hopefully we get to see another side of the brutes with Infinite

[craggy sierra]

I mean brutes are as smart as any other species in terms of engineering and battlefield tactics. It just gets filtered through incredibly aggressive personalities and pack mentality.

[stable flower]

Banished left cause they were tired of being used as cannon fodder, then the GS comes around and the Brutes become the leading military race of the Covenant, so they probably went like "Oh man, we should've stayed"

[unique rune]

…Would they, though?

Atriox and his followers left because they didn’t care about dying in the name of a religion they didn’t believe in.

Even after Truth had the Sangheili displaced, those Jiralhanae would still essentially just be pawns in a plan they wouldn’t have cared much for.

They’d probably jump at the revelation that everything Truth was going on about was a lie and have one hell of an “I told you so” moment.

[velvet rose]

are grunts edible

[craggy sierra]

Anything's edible if you're determined enough.

[velvet rose]

🤯

[versed helm]

I want to see a brute scientist in a lab coat and wearing glasses

[carmine sleet]

So long as that Brute also sings Gilbert and Sullivan

[versed helm]

Ala Uriah from Half life 2 episode 2

[craggy sierra]

It's hard to think about because of how 1 note the games can depict the races but every one of them has their shares of engineers and scholarly types. No society stays afloat off of war alone and the covenant races are no exception to that.

And like Brutes themselves mastered nuclear technology before the covenant found them...they just ended up nuking themselves back to the stone age with it.

[velvet rose]

skill issue

[versed helm]

So I’ve always found it interesting. Would the Covenant been the only things left alive on the Ark with whatever human forces were there?

I feel like that would make an interesting spinoff Halo game. Playing as a human guerrilla fighter on the Ark after the rings had been fired back in the Milky Way.

[merry moss]

Na Allegro znajdziesz :)

[versed helm]

I did in fact buy Bad Blood from Allegro

But the rest? Cheaper to buy from Amazon lol

Oh wait, some are there and don't cost THAT MUCH

Still, I'll get them from Amazon or Worldofbooks

[merry moss]

Są na allegro, wystarczy szukać.

[wispy prawn]

Only the people in the control room where truth was will live everyone outside that building will die

[merry moss]

Czasami na polskim discordzie sprzedają

[versed helm]

Dang. There goes my cool Halo spin-off game.

[wispy prawn]

So technically Johnson would be the last human alive

For like three seconds before that brute punches his head in

[versed helm]

Do you think it would be a cool spinoff though? If those human and covenant combatants kept fighting it out. I imagine the humans (being male and female troops) would create small underground civilizations and the Covenant would probably create large cities.

I think it would be something like ODST kinda

Different factions of marines and ODST that are semi-disconnected. Some marine forces warring against each other for a unified goal with the threat of Covenant patrols always putting a shadow over you.

[wispy prawn]

But if they did a spinoff game it could be a possibility. Maybe one group of marines escape the building after the rings fire the prophets believe all are dead imagine you make it out across the bridge and you see the Chief and arbiters armor on the ground lifeless.guilty spark helps the marines escape well in the back ground the new instillation 04 debris falls. Well the humans attempt to gear up for a fight

[versed helm]

Reminds me of Predator a bit lol

[wispy prawn]

Yeah

[versed helm]

I imagine it would be a little fun.

[wispy prawn]

Say that’s how it starts then the prophets move to build there citys. But there’s more onyx is a shield world there’s humans there at the time I think? they could probably detect the blast but not be harmed.

It could do what ODST did best despair and hope

Truth wins. But he doesn’t know there are still humans alive

[versed helm]

It would be a really interesting Halo game.

Where you do more sneaking and recon than actually fighting

[wispy prawn]

Yeah fighting amongst yourselves well trying not to be seen because if a single human is seen truth will now. And you will be hunted down

[wispy prawn]

Onyx could send out a signal similar to the one master Chief would send out at the end of halo 3. But would only get to the human forces after they spread for a decade and there living under covenant city’s you could play as a battalion of marines that have to escape from earth populated by prophets because they keep the ark portal running and worship it. Then over covenant loud speakers you hear “Humans live Humans are here” and phantoms come down from the sky. For the first time in the game besides any silent assassinations you do it’s a all out war.

you escape the planet somehow idk and make it to onyx undetected explain what happened and prepare for a fight

[wispy prawn]

But back when the rings were fired Johnson never died. In fact neither did the flood. When the rings were fired truth was giving a speech and the dumb ape 🦍 holding Johnson got distracted and Johnson made a run for it. Truth receives word that there are flood in the building but half-jaw destroyed his fleet and the rings killed all the phantom pilots so his last chance for escape is Keys pelican. Johnson is inside turning stuff on when truth realizes and makes a float for it making it in and leaving all the brutes and grunts to die he decides not to make his presence known. Johnson heads for the portal when he makes it through there truth starts breaking in but Johnson realizes and Opens the hatch and flys straight up making truth fall out but he has his floaty chair so he’s fine. Johnson Just Flys to a secret world war two bunker not the one near voi

[carmine sleet]

How would the Halo rings have killed the Phantom pilots on the Ark, which we know is out of range of the array?

[wispy prawn]

Installation 04 was at the arc

Blew its self to pieces but it was there

[carmine sleet]

Installation 04 was destroyed in Combat Evolved, Installation 08 was the one at the Ark and it wasn't linked to the rest of the array

[wispy prawn]

Oh my bad

[carmine sleet]

And if it was able to kill the Phantom pilots, everyone else on the Ark would be dead as well

[wispy prawn]

I thought it was a full on take the name and everything replacement

everyone will live in the control room

[carmine sleet]

Even the Citadel did protect you from the effect of Halo's fire, the window was broken. Kinda hard to protect from something like a Halo if there's a large hole

[wispy prawn]

True

But I think it was like a forcefield otherwise truth wouldn’t have fired the rings

[carmine sleet]

Installation 08 wouldn't have fired when Truth activated the array

[wispy prawn]

Yeah you’re right

Just fun to think of the possibility

[vapid inlet]

Hey there's no power difference between the spartan generations right?

[wispy prawn]

Kind of twos which were trained earlier kidnapped at six years old but threes and fours joined by choice they didn’t have the early training and it wasn’t done by Halsey who made the Spartan 2 program

[vapid inlet]

Oooo so they got that extra mental edge i guess

[wispy prawn]

Yeah I don’t really know much about the augmentation side of things but I do know that

[vapid inlet]

and experience

[wispy prawn]

Yep

[versed helm]

Alright real talk

[wispy prawn]

Doing combat at like 12 years old

[vapid inlet]

Yeah makes sense. Badass stuff

[versed helm]

Why’re a lot of the guns in Halo bullpup design?

Also anyone else not like the design of the new Halo shotgun?

[unique rune]

S-IIs and S-IIIs are more or less comparable out of armor. The latter mostly received SPI armor, which augmented their strength less than the Mjolnir issued to the S-IIs, but was better suited for stealth operations.

S-IVs have weaker augmentations compared to the prior two generations but their GEN2 Mjolnir armor is meant to compensate. An S-IV in GEN2 is supposed to be on par with a -II or -III in GEN1 Mjolnir.

[honest sinew]

SIII’s main niche were that they were ALL vengeful soldiers. They purposefully were handpicked from colonies that had been glassed by the covenant just for the sake of fueling their drive for vengeance against them. SII’s just followed orders like machines but they were stronger and had little to no emotional ties that would hinder them in any way

[tacit charm]

when looking at spartans based on their argumentations no Mjolnir theres an obvious discrepancy between the s1 and s4 when compared with s2/3.

s2 and s3 are somewhat equal in terms of strength though if i had to pick s2 beats out s3 slightly

[honest sinew]

If you include the early age training s2’s had that might put them a slight notch above them in strength and conditioning

Not by much though

[humble yacht]

Bullpups are a more efficient gun design. By putting the magazine and chamber father back, it extends the length of time the bullet spends in the barrel which means more time getting force applied by expanding gas from the firing which means a faster bullet

I think

[honest sinew]

I guess they both just have different incentives to fighting. S3’s may not be as useful against rebel colonies as they were against the covenant just because they were pretty much engineered to hate and destroy covenant emotionally and physically

[tacit charm]

you seemed so confident in your answer

[unique rune]

I thought the logic behind bullpup configs was that you could have roughly the same barrel length in a considerably shorter gun

[humble yacht]

Maybe

[unique rune]

Either way I’m sure it was just one of those things Bungie thought looked cool and seemed futuristic so they just really got into it

[humble yacht]

It is true that bull pup config has some benefits over classic config

[wispy prawn]

Does anyone know when onyx was discovered?

[carmine sleet]

2491

[wispy prawn]

Oh dang

Earlier then I thought thanks

[neat moth]

Spartan 3's were deployed as suicide troopers and as headhunters. As headhunters their operations were focused on both suicide missions against covenant and against Insurgents that did not comply with the seizefire agreed upon after war with the covenant begun.

all about those HVT kills.

INteresting bits in Halo Reach campaign mission Nightfall are the subtle hints of the Insurgents that were planning something there with their hidden guns and questionable presence in the area when covenant had taken over.

ofc they are more than happy to take UNSC aid once covenant spots them trying to recover their supplies.

Insurgents would remain S3 and ODST enemy during the war until humanity was at it's last leg. Mainly due to alot of insurgent movements treating Covenant as nothing more than UNSC boogeyman to keep them in line. Not unlike how Banished called Flood a Covenant boogeyman on the ark until they learned better.

[versed helm]

Were civilian zones for the UNSC and Covenant restricted? Like could and elite or grunt legally walk around New York without being shot? Not by civilians (which would proboly happen anyway) I just mean by authority

and of course I mean after the war

and before cortana

[wispy prawn]

Good question never thought about that. I’m pretty sure they Stayed on their own planets though

[versed helm]

i'd assume it would take a few decades or even more for society to even accept that

just legally though

[neat moth]

I mean it would take more than 4 years for covenant species and humanity to actually mingle together.

The tensions from the near genocidal war are far too tense for civilians of both ends to mingle without issues.

ONI doing top secret ops and experiements against elites and such to make sure that they can never repeat history again didnt help the relations either.

These actions are extremely relation hurting against elites who are all about that warrior honor stuff.

[fair hazel]

There were ex covenant species living on earth

[gilded mason]

He's asking if there were designated "zones" on Earth for them that they can't legally leave.

[versed helm]

Not even ONI is vile enough to lock someone up in NYC

[fair hazel]

There were ex covenant species living on earth

[warm acorn]

Imagine if they treat Grunts as pets

[valid hemlock]

Grunts' average height is 167cm and weight is about 100kg, i don't think you could even consider a grunt as a pet

[last anchor]

Covenant asylum seekers in Rio Di Jinaro for example.

Also, no, Grunts are average about 5 feet tall.

They are not short to a normal human

[versed helm]

im asking if there was segregation bro

[pale zenith]

cutscene with friendly grunts when

[gilded mason]

He seemed to ignore me clarifying it for some reason lol

[fair hazel]

Connection issues

Im laughing now

[empty nimbus]

In glasslands or the Thursday war there’s a human colony that has brutes and jackels that drive cars and are just in public with everyone else

[gilded mason]

Venezia isn't part of the UEG, so their rules wouldn't exactly apply.

[last anchor]

There was also the Rubble earlier on.

[neat moth]

Grunts are pretty on par compared to a human. the reason they are small in games is because you are a towering Spartan II.

and because they are always paired with the taller more prominent elites and brutes.

I'd imagine grunts would be one of the easiest covenant species to befriend given their playful and curious tendencies.

[woven plaza]

Venezia, but that's a special case imo

[woven plaza]

Hyper-lethalImportant Canon question: Are Grunt Riders canon

[wispy prawn]

Brutes are space apes 🦍

[wispy prawn]

Very good question

I don’t think so but maybe

[obsidian thistle]

Yes

Think of it like this.

Gameplay isnt canon. (So units dont siphon health off other units LOL) Neither is MP itself. (Which is a shame as the game weirdly brings up War Games in a Pheonix log)

But if there is a Phoenix Log its canon unless its brutally obvious it isnt.

The multiplayer locations are canon. The units and their variants are canon. (Bar their gameplay functions)

I was talking about Halo Wars 2 to be exact.

[woven plaza]

I assumed MP was wargames-style canon

[obsidian thistle]

In Halo Wars 2 its just outright nothing. Lol

[woven plaza]

then again i don't see Pavium allying with Commander Jerome to take down Isabel and Let Volir even in wargames

[obsidian thistle]

Yea the Phoenix logs say this in a TLDR way....

The SoF crew use War Games after Isabel helped set it up.

The Banished just throw forces at stuff

[humble yacht]

What’s that from

[woven plaza]

#485883236430512168 moment?

or did the period expire

[gilded mason]

On Nov 19

[teal ice]

Gravemind: I am a timeless curse. Join your voice with mine, and sing victory, everlasting.

[humble yacht]

timeless chorus*

[teal ice]

Oh.

[vapid inlet]

When did master chief wear gen 2 mark vi armor?

[gilded mason]

A little bit after Halo 4

[vapid inlet]

Ahhh ok

And in infinite its gen 3 right?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[stable flower]

Would love to see him with Mark VII

[vapid inlet]

Which looks sick as hell btw

[gilded mason]

Yeah, would have been nice

Always liked his Mark V way more than his Mark VI

[versed helm]

I liked 4s armor the most

The design anyway

[vapid inlet]

I'll be honest, I can't find much difference between V and VI. Well from the images online anyway

[gilded mason]

Mark V:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E--FhL5VEAgQDBR.jpg?format=jpg&name=orig

Mark VI:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/d/d9/H2A_CinematicRender_John-117-3View.jpg/revision/latest

[vapid inlet]

Oh yup that'll do it

But ye they're all awesome anyway lol

Halo 4 mark VI looks different just because of 343's redesign on it right?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[unique rune]

Oh how I wish the Anniversary version of Mk.V looked more like Lehto’s remake of the design

[gilded mason]

I know, right?

So much better.

[neat moth]

I wish CE anniversary looked more like lehtos original work in general.

But here I am shooting on invisible trees that are wider than the model.

Gen 1 mark IV is always gonna be my favorite. I just love the athletic stylenand red teams shoulders having the centurion helmet is just a chefs kiss.

[wheat dagger]

There is any cannon explanation for the all drastic differences between the Marine armours from Halo 2 to Halo 3 and 3 ODST and Halo 1-Reach?

[versed helm]

Budget cuts

[carmine sleet]

Budget cuts isn't the reasons, it's just different sets of armour exist

Also important to note that in Reach we mainly fight alongside army and not marines

[craggy sierra]

In CE they were just wearing bootleg aliens marines cosplay

[steel stone]

In CE they looked very weird, had alright armor design its a shame they dropped it in the Anniversary version.

[craggy sierra]

I mean they were literally basically the marines from the Alien movies but with a DBZ scanner slappted to their helmets

[honest sinew]

100%. From the identical cryosleeps to the helmet recordings to sgt Johnson being based off of sgt Apone from Aliens. Cigar and all 😂

[steel stone]

I know, was never a fan of how they did CEA, feels very fanmade if you ask me.

[steel stone]

Was talking to my brother about that, says Halo took alot from Aliens, watched the movie myself think I saw the Pelican and YEP has Johnson.

[versed helm]

I've always wanted a proper remake of CE especially after what they did with H2A

[steel stone]

Halo 2 Anniversary, damn....that is a remake I cant describe how good it was done.

Its on par with Zelda Ocarina 3DS, cant see myself going back to the original unless its the only thing I can play at the time

[versed helm]

Yeah, agreed

[carmine sleet]

H2A isn't a remake though, it's a remaster

[versed helm]

Sure, but CE needs a remake

the flow of combat and the quality of life stuff is much improved in H2 and on

same story same script just a different game

CEA was literally built on-top of CE and just kept running like that

[versed helm]

Exactly, they made it prettier at the expense of gameplay

[covert dawn]

So i have one of those halo nmpd mega bloks troopers with the riot shield and it got me thinking

Could a riot shield actually stop plasma?

A real world one probably not but criminals at some point in the halo universe must've gotten their hands in covenant weapons so earth police forces having plasma resistant armor would be plausible

[humble yacht]

Nah

What makes you think covenant weapons were easy to come by for any human, military or otherwise

Remember that the covenant were largely dominating the war, if anyone was leaving stuff behind on battlefields it was mostly humans

Not to mention that humans didn’t understand how covenant weapons worked so there would not be continued use for scavenged covenant weaponry beyond what was left in it, if anything

[covert dawn]

With how long the war lasted it's not impossible kig yar pirates or scavengers of deserted battle fields could've gotten them in the hands of criminals or innies and taught them how to use em. Like in halo forward unto dawn we see them figure out the carbine relatively quickly

Plus even if they didn't then with how late into the war it was even law inforcement like the nmpd would probably have some plasma resistant tools with how likely covenant invasion was

Like the peacekeeping cyclops for instance

[wheat dagger]

Police Departments seems to be the first respondents during the Covenant Invasions (we see the same during the Arcadia Invasion in Halo Wars) so probably they had some anti-plasma equipment and tools, a plasma resistant riot shield seems to be an interesting an useful first response tool, specially taking in count the police tactics more based on closing streets and mounting barricades.

[covert dawn]

Oh yeah i forgot about the arcadian police good point, i wonder if we'll ever get to see more of the non-marine defenders of the halo universe. Halo reach didn't have any police in new alexandria which was surprising but the new halo infinite map shown off today has some references to the nmpd which i thought was cool. Maybe even some indication to how they're handling things without Kinslers corruption now

[wheat dagger]

Probably the Police Department at New Alexandria was already obliterated by the covenant or on retreat alongside the civilians and the rest of emergency services of the city at the point when Noble 6 arrives. (It was being sieged during 3 days right?) but probably was during the first hours of the attack, the first ones to respond against the brutes was the SWAT and RIOT units of the "NAPD". Also, yest, it could be interesting to see more non-marine or UNSC planetary defenders, specially civilian ones like in Halo Reach or another branches of the army like some kind of hypothetical space coast guard like the one on COD: Infinite Warfare.

Also, it could be interesting to see firefighters, EMTs, rescue teams, and another emergency services deploying during the covenant invasion to relief on civilian evacuations

[covert dawn]

If we ever go back to earth in infinite it would be a good time to have them appear, with the fall of cortanas created it'll be interesting to see what's happened in the aftermath

[tacit charm]

honestly i forgot swats were shown in sadies story, they sucked

[covert dawn]

They basically just appeared to cap the crazy dude and dip lol

[tacit charm]

ik

they still sucked lol

[covert dawn]

The fall of nmpd hq probably happened quickly with the covenant boarding the landing pads and making their way up the levels from ground floor

The comms room sadie passed by probably didn't even get a chance to evacuate depending on how quick the covies were in taking the skies

Although a full battle of new mombasa is something I'd like to see with the nmpd hornets, cyclops, and transport hogs making appearances

[wispy prawn]

I need some help. It’s my birthday today and I got
1.bad blood
2.Fractures
3.Ghosts of onyx
4.Retribution
5.Devine wind
And I have no idea what the order is or if I need other books to understand these.
I have read
New blood and shadow of intent

[woven plaza]

is Master Builder Faber a sigma male?

[woven plaza]

since you've already read new blood, read bad blood, then fractures or ghosts of onyx, then retribution, then divine wind

i think

[wispy prawn]

Thank you

[gilded mason]

Yep. And Divine Wind is the last part of
Last Light -> Retribution -> Shadows of Reach -> Divine Wind

[obsidian thistle]

If you want to enjoy Fractures "slightly" better. Read the Forerunner Saga first

[wheat dagger]

Also, probably Kingsler wasted officers protecting himself and his interest instead of deploying an effective defence of the police station

[wispy prawn]

Ok thanks

[obsidian thistle]

As Fractures is for all purposes a capstone for that part of Halo fiction.

[gilded mason]

And Ghosts of Onyx carries on from
Fall of Reach -> The Flood -> First Strike -> Ghosts of Onyx

[obsidian thistle]

This may help

😛

An official list of Halo media that may or may not have influenced by Halopedia 😉

[gilded mason]

Though it can ignore things like the SoR -> DW connection

[covert dawn]

Is fractures where defender of the storm is from?

Love that story

[gilded mason]

Ye

[wispy prawn]

Thank you so much

[covert dawn]

Ooh they're in for a treat then

[covert dawn]

Yeh a decent amount were killed going underground to check on Sadie's dad and defending kinslerd train

[obsidian thistle]

I do however still say that groupings do keep the main narratives alive. The SoR - DW connection is more akin to a cameo the old Star Wars EU did a lot.

Not saying thats a bad thing to be very clear

[wispy prawn]

I don’t have last light is it really important?

[obsidian thistle]

It starts the Ferret series of novels. So I say so lol

[gilded mason]

I disagree in this instance. We get introduced to the characterization and motivations for a lot of characters from SoR that carries over into DW like the entirety of Gadogia.

[wispy prawn]

Dang ok thanks it’s only 13 bucks so not that bad

[feral turtle]

Is the spartan fireteam from h4 spartan ops still around/in any recent halo media?

[obsidian thistle]

Gameplay - Crimson = No

Cutscenes - Majestic = Yes if you count Escalations and appearances of characters in one off books.

[long mist]

I’m just getting into Halo, can someone give me a little paragraph of basic lore or just too long?

Don’t really care if you spoil anything if someone does send a paragraph

[honest trout]

Check out halopedia website

[long mist]

👍

Thanks

[honest trout]

Np

[mortal socket]

Wouldn't Jorge actually be alive since Kat did say that the bomb teleported half of the ship in that one accident that happened so does that mean Jorge is alive and in a random location with a portion of the corvette?

[flint marten]

Its possible, although he wasn't wearing his helmet when the bomb went off so idk how well he would've survived when he got to the other side if that is the case

[gilded mason]

The radiation and his body ripping apart from being unprotected in slipspace would kill him if nothing else did.

Outside of that, he'd soon starve to death as he'd be stuck in slipspace forever. As the point of the bomb is that it had no exit set.

[humble yacht]

the more i think about slipspace, the more i wonder if the exit point is predetermined or if you need a slipspace drive to both enter and exit

because the bow of the Dawn didn't need a drive to exit. so at the very least, pre-established routes like the portal to the ark spit ships out at the end, with or without a drive

[flint marten]

correct me if I'm wrong but slipspace is like another dimension right. So it's not like a conventional warp drive that compresses and passes you through space it instead hops you into a dimension with a shorter route and pops you out where you want to be. I think the engine would be needed for entrance and exit

[humble yacht]

slipspace is another dimension but like i said, arbiter's half of the Dawn didn't need a drive to exit

it popped out where it was supposed to despite the section with the actual drive being left behind

[flint marten]

That's true, that and chief ended up in a random, unspecified spot in space when the portal closed.

[gilded mason]

Might be because the portal set wasn't made by the ship's own slipspace engine.

[flint marten]

^

[humble yacht]

i get that for entering the portal

but in the Ark level we see that ships that enter one portal do not exit through the other

they make their own individual portals to exit, despite the route to the ark being special

[gilded mason]

I'll go with "Weird Halo 3 stuff"

[humble yacht]

it would actually make more sense if the only way into or out of that particular route was with the portals

but i can't logically justify the rebel forces knowing exactly when to exit that route on their own to arrive at the ark

[north herald]

Im pretty sure it doesn't need a drive to exit slipspace
Just as an example the drive-bomb in long night of solace, to teleport it to who knows where

[humble yacht]

there is no evidence that the drive bomb sent that section of the ship anywhere other than slipspace

i.e. that stuff is all still floating around in there

even jorge

[flint marten]

I think the engines creating portals because in halo 2 after new mombasa and 4 with the diadacts ship we see one ship creating a slipspace rupture and multiple ships going through it

[humble yacht]

yes we know that drives are needed to create the tears into slipspace

but the question is, what about out of slipspace

[flint marten]

so then it seems that the tears open on both ends when one is made

[humble yacht]

that doesn't make sense because the travel is not instantaneous

it can take days, weeks even, to travel through slipspace

it's not like the openings stay open that whole time

[north herald]

Time-space BS
remember when chief went back in time in first strike

[humble yacht]

that was a specific case influenced by forerunner mumbo jumbo

[north herald]

And we can use that point to infer there is a relationship between time and slipspace

[honest trout]

It is mentioned in contact harvest that it has happened before (I think that was the book)

[humble yacht]

if we look at a situation not involving any forerunner shenanigans, like the trip to delta halo, we see that the In Amber Clad followed Regret's carrier despite not knowing when that ship exited

it's not like you can see a ship in front of you in slipspace, especially one moving faster than you, so how did they know when to exit?

seems to me, they didn't need to know

the exit point had to have been predetermined for the Amber to end up at the same location as Regret did

[north herald]

Because In Amber Clad was in the Carrier's slipspace field and not its own
Think of it like a bug sneaking inside your car at the start of a road trip and then coming out when you open the door a state away

[humble yacht]

the amber was not that close to the Carrier

and it also wouldn't have been able to keep up with it

covenant ships have always been faster

[north herald]

It was inside the field
The field is just the bubble that it enters when it enters slipspace
Since it was able to sneak into the Carrier's portal at all means it was inside the field

[humble yacht]

see the problem is

you seem to be working under old h2 cutscene theory

you also are not considering the fact that when the Amber finally arrived at Delta halo, Regret forces had long been set up there

they beat the Amber there by days, at least

[north herald]

Or he could have just had some of his fleet there because he knew it was there

[humble yacht]

that still doesn't explain the speed disparity

also when you think back to CE

the covenant beat the Autumn to Alpha Halo, despite the fact that the Autumn left first

[flint marten]

in the cutscene the amber and regret come out of slipspace at the same time

[north herald]

For both anniversary and classic

I just checked

[humble yacht]

lol what

that's bs

that totally ignores the speed disparity

[north herald]

What speed disparity are you even talking about

Where does it say that

[humble yacht]

covenant ships are faster than unsc ships

[north herald]

Yes and IAC was in the carriers field

[humble yacht]

and their slipspace tech is better

the field doesn't carry everything in it at the same speed, it moves with the ship projecting it

[gilded mason]

Isn't the point of the speed disparity that Covenant slipspace engines are able to calculate shorter routes through slipspace? If the IAC follows the carrier, it's using the same route that was calculated by Regret.

[humble yacht]

the Amber still had to use its own engines to stay with the carrier

[humble yacht]

i always assumed they also had better impulse drives

[north herald]

I think you are assuming way too much stuff to infer anything about any delta time

The slipspace field probably just overloaded IAC's engine

[humble yacht]

but ok, the delta halo example is a bad example because the ships entered and exited through the same portal

[north herald]

There is no issue?

[flint marten]

i mean theres shrapnel from new mombasa that comes out of the slipspace rupture in H2 as well so idk if propulsion speed matters in slipspace, at least in that case

[humble yacht]

yes, like i said that's a bad example

[north herald]

Youre saying it's a bad example because it disproves it?

[humble yacht]

it's a bad example because it doesn't apply to the situation originally under discussion

i.e. is a drive needed to exit

[north herald]

Yeah and both IAC and the Carrier used the Carrier's drive

[humble yacht]

there's no way to know if the carrier used a drive to make an exit portal

it could just have easily been automatically generated based on the route

[north herald]

Yes there is. It came out of slipspace

That's how slipspace works

[humble yacht]

except it didn't work like that with the ark

[north herald]

Because it was a different kind of transportation portal

[gilded mason]

Chim, have you read DW yet?

[humble yacht]

no

[north herald]

Slipspace drives open a portal in and out of slipspace
The Ark's portal was more or less a portal directly to there, it was explained in Silentium

[humble yacht]

it also seemingly didn't work like that with the SoF, who had no active crew at the time it was mysteriously transported to the ark, presumably by an externally generated slipspace portal

except the ships don't exit through the other portal

they exit through their own individual portals

which begs the question, if a drive is needed to exit then how did Rtas and company know exactly when to hit the button to exit

[north herald]

Nah I think they depended entirely on the Ark portal

[humble yacht]

when they had never been to the ark before

watch the cutscene

[north herald]

Yes and?

[humble yacht]

they literally come out not through the big portal

[north herald]

No they came out of the portal
You don't nessicarily have to have to have a portal on the other end leading back

[humble yacht]

which means either a) the route had a predetermined exit independent of the other portal, or b) rtas and company knew exactly when to exit somehow

they did not come out of the portal

they literally make their own little exit points

[north herald]

They entered a portal, and came out of it

[humble yacht]

they didn't come out of the other portal, man, what aren't you getting

[north herald]

The portal that Arbiter took to earth/Chief took to requiem is not the same portal

[humble yacht]

they made their own exit points just like High Charity did, which explicitly didn't use the portal

[north herald]

You don't have to see out the other end

[humble yacht]

that only makes sense if slipspace routes have predetermined exit points

[north herald]

Yes and that's why debris from new Mombasa made it to Delta halo

[humble yacht]

also yes, the portal that Thel and cheif went through to get back to earth was the ark portal

they had no other way of getting back, they didn't know where they were in relation to earth

[north herald]

That's a separate portal
The portals are one-way

[humble yacht]

if the portals are one way then that is in support of my whole point

[gilded mason]

I made a small post in spoiler-chat about it, Chim.

[humble yacht]

i aint' going in there, that is useless to me

why would i elect to have something spoiled for me

[north herald]

also wasn't it in first strike that blue team used a reinforced phantom to exit out of slipspace
without the magic forerunner crystal btw

[humble yacht]

didn't read it

parts of that statement sound familiar, like the reinforced phantom

which would fit with slipspace travel requiring special shielding

[north herald]

well its more of it needs shielding for the radiation to not kill life

things can go through

[gilded mason]

Oh yeah, liches don't have slipspace drives, and were able to follow the Didact through a portal and exit at the same time, in Halo 4

[humble yacht]

well they used his whole route so that doesn't really help answer the question

he could have either made his own exit or the exit could have been predetermined based on his plotted course

[gilded mason]

Weren't you previously saying that the IAC couldn't have gotten to Delta at the same time as Regret or something?

[north herald]

^

[humble yacht]

i already admitted i was wrong there

[gilded mason]

Ah

[north herald]

the "portals" used by the Carrier, and the Didact's ship are not the same kind of portals used by the Ark

[humble yacht]

yea, one is persistent and one is transient

but that doesn't mean the basic laws of travel differ

and if it does then that's shoddy writing

even for something as fluid as slipspace, there should be some consistency

[north herald]

Im sure bungie was thinking of that when they wrote halo 3

[humble yacht]

it's also unlikely because it's not like the exit points were open during the entire trip to the ark. they open just long enough for the Shadow of Intent and the other ships to exit, then they close

[wispy prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901654151526764594/904939433952964638/IMG_1058.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901654151526764594/904939452630175855/IMG_1055.png

I got 7 books filled with lore for my birthday this will be fun

[stable flower]

Turns out there's an explanation for why John can telepathically hear Didact in H4's Shutdown level

But it's in unused dialogue

[last anchor]

Figures

[gilded mason]

They get together and make an egg.

Same as humans.

Yes.

It would have been noted if it was out of the ordinary.

I see that never happening.

Maybe. Was only a voice in H5.

[verbal scarab]

E

[wintry igloo]

Is halo retribution the first of the trilogy???

[versed helm]

Nope
It goes
Last Light > retrubition > cameo in Shadows of Reach > Divine Wind

[wispy prawn]

That was a process in the shadow of intent book

[agile zodiac]

https://youtu.be/jPPVDXU5fy4

I'm starting to think that Halo might not end up being a dumpster fire simply because the reference to Harvest.

[devout laurel]

One thing I've always disliked about halo is when they give u a new protagonist they almost instantly kill them off after

For example, rookie and six

[gilded mason]

That's just two times. One always meant to die at the end of the game, and the other killed many years later

[tacit charm]

they're both not dead though

[devout laurel]

Ig rookie did go on for another 5 years

[tacit charm]

[devout laurel]

But still

[devout laurel]

One got glassed, the other got captured by human rebels and shot in the head

[woven plaza]

Rookie hid in a cave

he got better

[devout laurel]

Lol

Six was the one who got glassed

Not rookie

[terse lava]

No one said otherwise

[tacit charm]

we never say the body ||(you can make the 10 year argument for six but rookie um i guess the bullet missed vital parts of his head lol )||

[terse lava]

...vital? It's a brain, everything is vital

[devout laurel]

Lol

[terse lava]

Either way, glad they are both dead

[gilded mason]

John: Alive
Thel: Alive
Locke: Alive
Noble 6: Dead
Rookie: Dead (many years later)

Less than half have died so far.

[terse lava]

Hm

But Ostral

[tacit charm]

[terse lava]

"I am already dead"- Thel 😛

[devout laurel]

John won't die for at least another 10 years irl time, infinite gonna be a 10 year project

[gilded mason]

People have survived getting parts of their brain destroyed, to be fair.

[terse lava]

True

[gilded mason]

I'm hoping he retires after Infinite and we can finally have other characters be playable without people throwing a fit

[terse lava]

Thats more the exception though

[humble yacht]

Phineas Gage, the mad lad

[devout laurel]

Rookie gets buried by the other ODSTS he's 1000% dead

[terse lava]

The fans will always throw a fit

[tacit charm]

guy got a metal pipe shove through his frontal lobe, only got pissy here and there

[terse lava]

I recall that story,.one of the more well known ones

Wouldn't mind seeing someone after John myself

[gilded mason]

And no "main" PC

[devout laurel]

I can see them adding new story elements every year switching protags, to some we know and some brand new maybe

[gilded mason]

Don't want it to get stale

[tacit charm]

jorge comes back and emerges from a cave in 07

[gilded mason]

That'd be nice

[devout laurel]

Spartans never die

They respawn

[tacit charm]

exactly

[devout laurel]

[tacit charm]

[devout laurel]

Yeah but u were on about rookie surviving

He wasn't a spartan lol

[terse lava]

Spartans are a penny a dozen

[tacit charm]

hes a spartan 1.1

[lunar drum]

Tbh I kind of want another game where you can customize the armor of the Protag. Making him/her your own.

[devout laurel]

I'm boring I like using the defaults

Feels right

[terse lava]

Same, always preferred the regular combat harness over the more fancy armors like flight or Zealot

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[lunar drum]

I didn't like much of 5's stuff. But Reach had some excellent armors. But still, you get to make them how you want. Which I think is cool.

[terse lava]

Only if you play as a spartan

[lunar drum]

Why not customise armor for an Elite?

[gilded mason]

Ask Bungie/343

Reach doesn't let you do per-piece Elite armor

[humble yacht]

The reach officer armor was the perfect ratio of form and function

[lunar drum]

Then in some new game they should if you can play as an Elite

[gilded mason]

343 is only gonna ride that "Only play as Spartans. Forever." train, I think.

[terse lava]

Yep

[lunar drum]

Well Halo is more about Humanity than anything else.

[gilded mason]

That's limited

We've seen that Halo isn't only about humans

[lunar drum]

I didn't say only. I said more.

[gilded mason]

And to only focus on them simply needlessly constricts it

[lunar drum]

And in no way am I saying that they shouldn't allow Elites.

[terse lava]

We have this rich universe, and focus on only one single thing. Gets.boring pretty fast

[lunar drum]

I think they should add Elites or even Brutes into the mix for playable races. At least in MP.

[gilded mason]

Yup

Like shooting yourself in the foot

[lunar drum]

Heck I'd play as a Hunter if allowed.

[terse lava]

Star wars had a ton of aliens with various stories, as did Mass Effect

[humble yacht]

Star Wars has primarily focused on humans

We got some diversity in clone wars but anakin and Obiwan were the most featured

Mass effect is better about telling alien stories but even there, the player is human

[terse lava]

I am aware, but both, more so in SW in games, allow you to play as things besides humans

[humble yacht]

I’m thinking of Star Wars games and am having trouble thinking of one where an alien was featured over human

Fallen order: human MC
Force unleashed: human mc
Battlefront: mostly play as clones/troopers
Old republic: never played so I don’t know if you could make your character whatever you want

Squadrons: human pilots that you don’t even really see cause you play as a ship

[terse lava]

Same on the last myself, seems you could play as pure sith, so thats a thing

[humble yacht]

What if a native sith is just an evil human?

Lol

Looks like the upcoming Star Wars Hunters game will feature a diverse cast of playable characters

[lunar drum]

The Old Republic had multiple different races you can play as.... but it was almost purely cosmetic. The stories were all the same.

[terse lava]

Makes me happy I never bothered with it then

[versed helm]

Native Sith can't be human as they a seperate species

[humble yacht]

I’ve never seen a native sith so I don’t know

But I could see a native sith looking like just a really pale human

[terse lava]

From what I have seen, red humanoids

Least in the game

[devout laurel]

why did the covenant suddenly stop speaking english after halo 3

is it just the storm covenant who speak their og language now

[humble yacht]

Lol

Storm covenant

[devout laurel]

Ok Jul mdamas covenant is that better lol

[humble yacht]

It’s more correct, at least

Having aliens speak in alien languages makes them seem more… alien

From a canonical standpoint it could have been because Jul’s covenant was vehemently anti-human

[devout laurel]

Pretty much what i was thinking

[terse lava]

Yeah, we see Jul speak "progress?" In an almost distasteful wsy

[versed helm]

Those are the offspring of the ruling cast, pureblood Sith used to range from simple "regular" sized humanoids to 2m+ tall brutes

[gilded mason]

I remember when 343 tried to explain why his troops spoke English in H5. It…didn’t really make any sense

[terse lava]

@versed helm yeah, but was thinking playable

[versed helm]

As for games in SW where you can play an alien?
SWTOR, Jedi Academy, Galaxies, Republic Heroes.

Probably every single RTS

[devout laurel]

idk if its just their masks making grunt voices seem so...bug like or somethn else lol

[terse lava]

Battlefront(i assume the new ones too)as well for certain gametypes

[versed helm]

Well in Battlefront 2003 you play as various races, droids and humans
In 2005 the campaign is only clontetroopers + the Jedi
2015 has no campaign
The 2017 is Iden and some human heroes

[humble yacht]

Battlefront has always been mostly troopers

The occasional alien sprinkled in

[terse lava]

Or robot

[humble yacht]

Playable bothan spy

[devout laurel]

What was that explanation

[versed helm]

Most SW series had at least a couple prominent non human characters.
It only really changed with Filoni who made only one non-human main character lol

But Republic? NJO? X-wings? Lot's of aliens

Hell one point of X-wing is the romance between a human and a bothan pilot with the bothan species trying to gain some political leverage on that lmao

[humble yacht]

Wouldn’t really count x wings since you play as a ship more than an alien pilot

[versed helm]

I meant the books and comics

But I think for the games you mostly play as Luke or Wedge

[humble yacht]

This was more about playable aliens rather than just aliens being in prominent roles

Yea, plenty of prominent role aliens in SW

But far fewer that are playable characters

[terse lava]

Yeah, if we were to do purely roles, we do have lots of books for them

[versed helm]

Star Wars Racer

[gilded mason]

That they didn't respect Jul anymore, so they didn't want to bother going along with his "Only speak Sangheili" Rule. But...they all hated humans anyway, so why would they suddenly only speak English like doing so was more comfortable to them than their own native language?

[devout laurel]

Perhaps they intended to intentionally disrespect him

[terse lava]

I kinda chalked it up to better translators

[versed helm]

I always assumed that most of his recruits came from the planet at the end of Thursday War and thus they didn't know English

[gilded mason]

That would make more sense than what 343 tried to say

[versed helm]

cause you know, everyone they have sent to war died

[terse lava]

You could argue chief's translator device were damaged from extended cryo and the later fall

[devout laurel]

I know they use those in mass effect

do they have them in halo? never heard them mentioned

[gilded mason]

That reminds me. It's funny that they played up Vale knowing Sangheili, and it amounted to her translating an inconsequential line from Jul, with himself and every other Elite speaking English from that point onward.

[versed helm]

I love that the lore behind them, from an OCC standpoint, is that Bioware figured it makes no sense that everyone speaks english like 2/3 into the development cycle.

[devout laurel]

Its a pretty simple and believable fix honestly

[terse lava]

Was amusing

[versed helm]

It is

but on the other hand it doesn't translate spanish lmao

[devout laurel]

😂

[versed helm]

SPeaking of aliens

I will now proceed to read Hunters in the Dark and see yet another Ark mission

[thick kraken]

so uh, hot take ghosts of onyx is still cannon

lmao

[gilded mason]

Why is that a hot take?

[thick kraken]

alot of 343 shills

say it is

lul

[gilded mason]

What's the context

[devout laurel]

I've not read the books, there being 32 demotivates me lol

[thick kraken]

read fall of reach and ghosts of onyx

halo reach kinda retcons it but like those books are insanely good

they came out around 2007

[gilded mason]

Fall of Reach came out in 2001

[devout laurel]

👍

[thick kraken]

yeah man

they had this lore all the way back then

onyx actually game out in 2006

[carmine sleet]

I don't remember 343i ever saying Ghosts of Onyx wasn't canon so I'm not sure you're saying that like it's some sort of big way of "sticking it" to 343i, Appo

[gilded mason]

Yeah, I don't really get it either.

[thick kraken]

alot of changes occurred during the transition and halo reaches devlopment

343 changed alot about halo in alot of ways

some good some bad

[gilded mason]

Ghosts of Onyx doesn't have to do with Reach, though.

[thick kraken]

its related to spartan 2s

lore alot of stuff

[gilded mason]

Besides some stuff about SIIIs that can be handwaved, I suppose.

[thick kraken]

alot of design changes were weird at the time

but i feel like they understand that which is why chief is back in his like older armor lol

[humble yacht]

Ghosts of onyx is still canon even under 343

343 never did anything to make it not canon

[thick kraken]

changing the way spartan 2s looked?

[humble yacht]

In what way

[devout laurel]

Changing art is not the same as retconning

[gilded mason]

That doesn't make GoO not canon

[humble yacht]

We also never see spartan IIs out of armor so we don’t really know what they look like

[thick kraken]

changes regardless

[humble yacht]

Kinda sounds like you just wanted to start some “343 bad” crap, tbh

[devout laurel]

any 1's still knockin about

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They weren’t real Spartans anyway

More like honorary Spartans

[terse lava]

Poor SIII

[devout laurel]

according to google, Robert, Leon and August are still around

Spartan 1's

[terse lava]

The clones of halo

[mortal socket]

was fist full of arrows ever canonized yet?

[humble yacht]

No

[gaunt oak]

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[devout laurel]

This is so so untrue

People don't like change, so anything after bungie is grr 343 bad

[humble yacht]

Remember not to engage trolls 🙂

[devout laurel]

Anyway

[lunar drum]

Those are S2s

[mortal socket]

yesirr

[thick kraken]

ive been a halo fan since 2005 dude im not trolling

[devout laurel]

Oh, that's wrong then haha

I'd argue 343i made chief a better character, way more personality

[mortal socket]

been with this franchise when started playing reach in 2012

[lunar drum]

Robert Leon and August are part of Omega Team :)

[mortal socket]

then halo 4

[devout laurel]

Gotcha

I've been playing halo since about 07-08