#lore-and-universe
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irl glassing would sound cool
True
just wont be fun to be headshotted straight after it
Being glasses is definitely not cool, you'd be flash fried by the plasma beam, if you're lucky maybe there will be something that resembles a corpse left over afterwards but it's not something that you'd want to have happen to you
Agreed
She was asking the Cortana fragment which member of Noble Team she wanted to guard her and get her to the Autumn. By this point, she had also already chosen the Chief as her partner over the other available Spartan-II's.
Yup
Yee
If i'm lucky it'd be instant or near instant, and I wouldn't have time to feel a thing
Is blamite salt a suitable cooking ingredient?
I don't think blamite keeps on exploding into smaller chunks for eternity
Blamite Salts might be like table salt, aka more stable
Could it still send the cook into the ER if they oversalt your soup?
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im gonna oversalt the earth
Just because something is a salt doesnât make it edible..
Just because something isn't edible doesn't mean I'm not gonna eat it
What...the
Just because itâs inedible doesnât mean I canât eat it
You can eat everything, some objects only once
what happen to all the other monitors
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
i'm here
just because it says do not eat doesnt mean im gonna listen
Just because halo lore isnât edible doesnât mean that I wonât devour it.
what if captain keyes was actually alive and he faked his death cause he is the gravemind dont take this seriously
That managed to hurt my brain until i read the don't take this seriously part

im sorry lol
im just imagine keyes face as a gravemind
would be the scariest thing to see
Scarabs are just Australian spiders that can shoot lasers
Scarabs are just giant glorified pickaxes 
Theyâre the Covenant equivalent of bolting a Bofors AA gun to a bucket-wheel excavator
what degree does master chief have?
I'm sure he's pretty smart, since yk he's a really good leader
He never went to college
He was abducted as a child
But yeah heâs pretty much a genius
ah right, but don't spartan-II's learn lots of stuff?
I mean they're crosstrained on more vehicles than I think normal marines are.
But that's kinda it
Yeah read The fall of Reach if u want more info. They are all intelligent:)
There was a AI named deja (was that her name?) teaching them
lol imagine if every spartan was a 1000x smarter than halsey
What happened to Keyes after the events in Halo 3?
miranda keyes?
Captain Keyes
Oh wait
the captain on Halo 3 was Hood
gosh i suck at remembering the names of NPCs
I'm not sure what happened to hood after halo 3, he probably got promoted to a higher rank or something
ah yes he somehow gets promoted higher than the highest rank in the unsc that hes already achieved 
what's up. I need a halo lore expert hahah I have some questions
Did the covenant fear master chief?
Kinda sorta not really?
Depends on the individual, the warrior races saw him as a threat, while the lower races truly did fear him.
I mean they knew enough of him to give him a title as the demon. I don't think anyone besides grunts actively fear him more than any other combatant in combat.
Even then I think they called all Spartans demons
They did, chief simply got the title of The Demon, after alpha halo
That could though also just be chalked up to the Covenant as a whole believing the rest perished on Reach
what do you think will happen to cortana?
Eh who knows, hopefully leave the story as she should have in h4
Iâm going to guess 1/3 of h2âs campaign
Shush Chimđ id say though perhaps Uprising, plenty of allies and vehicles to have fun in. From a pure narrative standpoint, hard to beat 343 GS
Those are levels, not really campaigns
Yeah, did misunderstand that at first. For an entire campaign....would say a toss up between Thel's story and halo 4. One shows someone's road to redemption, while the other expands on that idea of Cortana bring more then just a simple AI
H4âs is also good because it shows that Chief is capable of failure to a degree
He doesnât always escape unscathed
I think Halo 4 is NOTHGING compared with 1-3
but again I haven't played it in a while
Comparing a single campaign against 3 all at once is a bit unfair, no?
Only about half of those three campaigns are any good anyway
So just the ones with Thel? While thrbhorse bones may be dust now, 1-3 didn't add much of anything to character build for chief, it was all Thel
I didnât enjoy the events of Halo 4 very much, but I do enjoy the lore as a whole. I think the return of the forerunners was interesting.
One of the appeals of chief is that you don't have a wiki full page of info on his personality that you can read for days
I am aware he's essentially just an empty suit for the player. I simply find that dull
So just the ones with Thel?
I was mostly thinking CE and the Arbiterâs half of 2.
Thel is present in 3, but itâs generally not very significant.
One of the appeals of chief is that you don't have a wiki full page of info on his personality that you can read for days
âŠIs being completely devoid of meaningful character actually a point of appeal?
Blech.
In a power fantasy, yes.
Ew
Maybe not. Halo 4 is amazing after all and takes the cake. Although you do need some foundation for it to be impactful. Itâs a sequel after all
Bungieâs philosophy on player characters is largely empty shells for player insert but that doesnât mean itâs the best philosophy
Imo Halo 3 has so much going on and yet it doesn't feel epic most of the time
I find empty shells boring, I want my characters to have character
not to that extent
imo it does feel epic most of the time
specially the final mission
It's the definition of epic
Level 5 is the first one to feel epic. Level 6,no epic. Level 7, epic. Lebel 8, epic. Level 9, no epic. Level 10, epic. 4/10 is not most. Jesus i sound like such a nerd
Halo 3 does have epic action sequences that largely cover for its weak narrative
When in doubt throw a scarab at the player
Fun to play through in the moment but when you stop to think why people are doing what theyâre doing, you start to see the cracks
Like the first 1/3 of the game is pretty much filler, it doesnât really progress the story meaningfully
Hyping up the Ark so much and we barely explore it
Tsavo highway is literally just âget from point a to point bâ with stuff in between
tbf
All of 3 and parts of either 1 or 2?
Makes up for it by being a vehicle mission. Fun times on the highway level
the ark is a biiiig installation and pretty much a flatish earth so wow what an intersting place to be explored
Itâs one of my least fave levels in H3
Better than cortana at leaat
At least cortana has a narrative reason
True
The payoff at the end of the level is better
Iâm confused as to why we fight so little flood though
Gameplay
Honestly, the only level in Halo i actively hate is Sacred Icon.
Crowâs Nest is such a waste of a mission
Merge the functions of Sierra 117 and Tsavo Highway and skip Crowâs Nest entirely and you wouldnât miss a whole lot
But it still feels..
What if the campaign started at the Storm?
I suppose you could try and justify it as the gravemind was merely letting John through because he wanted to find out what secrets Cortana didnât reveal
Good calcium
Compare this to "Your deaths will be instantenous, while we shall suffer the progress of infinitude"
dies a few months later
i mean
I just imagined something dumb
I doubt they will be a threat
sure
⊠Really? Swears are filtered?
The universe is vast. Why focus on one troublesome galaxy when you have a whole universe to feast kn
UghâŠ
What's the plural of Flood anyway? Floods? Fleed?
Nevermind, Iâm going elsewhere
Space zombies
anyways
I think necromorphs are scarier
still think its highly likely flood has infected a majority if not all the cosmos and we're boned
If master chief dought necromorphs, they wouldnt be as scary
Horror depends on the survivability of the protaginist
When humanity is ripe
Ugh
Necromorphs also present a psychological infection
When Halo Divine Wind releases where can i discuss the books plot
There will be an open spoiler channel
Ah yes halo divine windâŠ
Ok thanks chimera
Canât wait to read it đ
Me either
Although i am more excired for rubicpn protocol
Wonder what Denning does with the SoF
Hope he doesn't take the Solo route
Wouldnât that be cool if somehow I could hold the book in my hands todayâŠ
Isn't it out next week?
I wonder what kind of space food do the humans eat that doesn't belong from Earth.
How much you wanna bet the sof doesnt show up until the last chapter so denning could do a cliff hanger ending lol
Having read a lot of his books from Halo and SW, that doesn't seem like hos style
It comes out the week after next week
Unless 343 directly told him not to involve SoF too heavliy
This reminds me off a funny thing
As the author's surname is literaly G a y, they put her first Halo novel in the LGBT best seller list on Amazon XD
Yeah i heard about that
Fried grunts
Jk
đŠ
I love my lobster with CH4 (methane)
Oh wowâŠ
Is that a prelate in the back?
Yes
I'd beat it in a fight
Some stores sell them early.
I walked in. Looked for it. Found it. Got it
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Well luckily you are a mod and so I can trust you wont spoil it
I hope its a good read
Thatâs the part that sucks about getting it early. Lips shut. No one else to discuss.
Then dont read it until the 19th
I wonder if Castor will meet his end
It would make sense for him to die in this end
This book i mean
Donât look at me for clues haha. Iâll have it finished before I sleep for sure.
Or maybe he does the ultimate troll and actually activates the rings
Iâll find out soon enough đ
Plot twist, Key of Osanalan isn't just something made up by James Ackerson when he was a kid and is found by Castor /jk
So the spartan laser power is actually one petawatt
Does that mean if i get 10 buddies with spartan lasers we have 1/10 of the suns power in our hands lol
So apparently one spartan laser has more power then the entire earth right now lol
wait what?
Yeah apparently a spartan laser is charged by one petawatt
10 petawatts is equal to 1/10 of the suns power lol
So it's 1/100th the power of the sun.
Yeah
Math am i right
The laser itself is not that powerful ingame but the charge or battery for the device is 1 petawatt
Imagine if the laser was the equivalent of one petawatt
Thats more power then the entire world right now in one shot
Then again i dont have the blueprints for a spartan laser
What books do I need to read to understand divine wind? Iâve read shadow of intent so I know what prelates are.
Last Light, Retribution, and Shadows of Reach all relate to it.
Thank you Ostral!
đ
When does the book come out?
19th, I think
Ok thanks again!
So about Roma 143 what guns did she prefer?
Since she was a spartan 2 I'd say anything that works lol
Trying to find every/most spartan 2's preferred weapons
what does chief like
Pretty sure Chief's standard loadout would be an AR and a Magnum lol
one petawatt converted to joules is no where near 3.8 x 10^26 J, in saying that a petawatt is close to a megaton nuke
Missed a few zeros lol
Thx for the info honestly
Yeah i missed a few zeros
What is master chief's favorite food
lotsa spaghetti
More like when was the last time chief ate something
where did you get the info the spartan laser produced 1 petawatt of energy @icy stratus
Itâs finished.
The fight?
Reading
Oh same thing
only a few weeks away
So close
Guessing it was pretty good?
Maybe. đ Now I got to wait đŠ
Hm, well bummer that I won't be buying it for a long time
That sucks...
No book store nearby
Oh how come?
It is worth it for me
How far away was your book store?
well there's multiple, I just went to one I hadn't gone in a while as opposed to some I have gone to lately
Well you have it lucky then I guess
Again. Lucky
But now I'm lonely and I have to wait anyways with knowledge in my head
Only a week more isn't it?
I suppose
I like going to get new books, it's a thing that only happens once every few months usually
for halo
Try Randall Monroe
And reading a brand new halo book, having the fiction reveal itself upon my eyes, as I try to savour it and enjoy it for as long as possible. Trying to take it in, wanting to know what will happen but at the same time not wanting it to end
Who's that
You know of the webcomic XKCD?
Nope
A person who made around 3 books now, with one of them talking about very complicated things with only the top 1000 common words in the English language
Probably
Another one talking about extremely odd scenarios
Like what happens if you hit a baseball ball with a bat at the speed of light
Other than infinite, march will be my next similar experience
Yeah, can't really think on much I would want this Christmas season. Some new books would be nice, better then spending it on Infinite I suppose. Have been wanting to try getting into some classics like the Xeelee
Is the Size of Wall-E's Axiom (Colony Starship) bigger than the UNSC Infinity
Itâs isnât one petawatt of energy. If that was true then one shot from the Spartan laser would destroy Long Night of Solace. I read somewhere it produces 1.21 gigawatts of energy
Because I still struggle to look at the dimentions from the lore at Wall-E's universe
of course both carriers are 400 years apart in technological advancement
Did a little search, best i found was it was 1km in length
Eh, I can't say thats a confirmed thing
What would happen if 343 added a lore accurate light rifle?
I believe that it'll be the length of a commando and smg combined
since it'll be that long
just did a rough check. the Axiom according to your findings is actually smaller than the SOF
@swift atlas to gameplay? Would 1 shot everything
because I just watched the breakdown of UNSC Infinity by Installation00
I found my answer on some sub reddit thing that happened to ask how large the Axiom was
And wondered if there's any ship in different universes that could stand up or are able to had a fair fight with the finity
There are very, very many that can crush Infinity like a ripe melon in a car press
In terms of sci fi universes, the UNSC is rather unimpressive
I'm not too sure what Star Wars and Star Trek has to offer. Of course the Convanent and Forerunners can outsize and outstrength the Infinity
But surely Star Wars Technology is millennia ahead
It is advanced enough, although terribly stagnant
I see
Yeah, it was pretty good
I like halo 2a armor not fives though
it made arbiter seem like a knight
No it isnât
how long has the star wars timeline been
isnât the covenant more advanced than the unsc by like 400 years?
A few thousand years
but they still lost to a supersoldier with a blue waifu
You mean they lost because Truth made all the Elites turn against him
iâm talking about ce when he blew up the first halo
not like the whole war
shouldâve specified
That's also because they had to focus their efforts on containing the Flood.
And Thel was involved in a power struggle with the prophet assigned to the fleet
The loss in CE basically just amounted to chief and Cortana going unnoticed because of flood.
Wrong reply
I keep doing that
TRUE
Shame he wasn't arrested earlier
halo 1 was foehammer halo 2 was johnson and 3 was johnson and arbiter 4 was laskey and 5 is no one cause halo 5
You forgot Rtas
oh yeah i did
5 is no one cause halo 5
I dunno, Exuberant Witness was pretty fundamental in getting all that stuff on Genesis sorted out.
Even compared to the UNSC, star wars is flashy but a lot of tech stuff can be said to be lacking
you right i take it back
i mean yeah they might have good tech but i swear something always blows up or gets hacked by a robot
Which character would you like to return in Halo Infinite?
Mine would be Rookie from Halo 3 ODST
But in Infinite, he is now a Spartan just like Buck
Hard for a dead guy to become a Spartan
@warm acorn yeah, that guy died in a book
Oh
Yep
As for character return, perhaps the Unnamed Shipmaster from The Return short story in Halo: Evolutions. Plot was around the proper time period, and we haven't heard from him since that book
Except when it comes to hyperdrive technology. Thatâs where Star Wars blows Halo and Star Trek both out of the water.
Depends on which faction and also star wars's hyperdrive has certain limitations
hyperdrive lanes
Indeed, the Forerunners were able to be more impressive themselves, and the Covenant were not slouched either
Did I miiss the fun stuff again
Also, which version. Legends hyperdrives were more realistic and had limitations. Canon basically has nothing to it, they're near instantanious and without required direction (see the jump from Krait to Canto Bight and back, well over 90,000 light years, done in under 24 hours)
(Random weirdness with Discord there, moving on)
Dont think thats canon for anything.
Spartans just end up being muscular as a result of their augmentations.
There is work done on the muscles and bones after all, they lengthen them by a couple inches at least.
Theoretically there'd be no way to tell a Spartan apart when they were in armor, and the Nylund descriptions indicated that, aside from someone like Halsey who had been with them for decades, no one could.
Wasnt any external numeration on the armor either.
Yeah its a weird fact
Yeah, somehow I doubt that.
No not to what you said lol
Legends is the non canon stuff so.....
Aff.
So I guess that would technically make hyperdrives more advanced...but Interdictors are still a thing in canon thanks to Rebels so you CAN block it using a mass shadow.
Whereas as far as we can tell, mass shadows do nothing to slipspace as long as you have a powerful enough bore-engine to handle the calculations.
See; First Strike, New Mombasa.
Also, sorry if I accidentally tagged you earlier.
I do have to wonder what would happen if they gave a hyperdrive to a Smart AI considering the raw computing power they're capable of...
I don't mind being tagged when people are trying to talk to me usually
But let me make you jealous now. Guess what book I read earlier?
Rubicon Protocol?
That comes out next year
Well I guess its not the Halo Encyclopedia update since that comes out in March of next year too.
New Star Wars book?
Did you forget about what book comes out in nine days?
I did actually, but thats probably cause my life has been completely turned inside out due to the approaching holidays
And my inability to get to any nearby bookstore in any reasonable time limit
Oh right, Divine Wind is next isnt it
Good, was honestly more excited for that than I was for Rubicon oddly enough.
tbh i would lowkey like to see jun in infinite even if itâs just a mention
He is mentioned.
He's on the sniper tower on Live Fire
dope
who would yâall want them to bring to infinite?
Tom and Lucy.
Kurt, at least in name.
Veta and/or her Ferrets
Naiomi and Kilo-5
Some mention of Ben Jiraud would be cool. Or Petra Janek.
FERO's wayward psychopathic Innie friend, totally forgot her name.
maybe but are you spartan material
if only the one petawatt one shotting the cso was confirmed, anyways ik its not petawatt it actually says 1.21 on the butt
of the gun
Itâs a reference to back to the future
Imagine being overwhelmed by a banished brute, then Jun picks it off and he has his grand reveal
With that op reach sniper he was gonna have
Where did the idea of Kig-Yar having brittle bones come from when:
- We see them routinely jumping out from phantoms at like 20ft in the air
- All species are able to run much more quickly than humans, and can tackle one at such speeds with no problem
Cause we just fling them in game heh
well, if i recall correctly, Yanmee have trouble flying without a lift harness or something, so I would think the Covenant built something similiar to the boots in Portal for the Jackals
But is there anything confirming this or is this just fanon conjecture? We've seen examples in the wider universe where they take a lot of punishment that'd render them useless if they were as fragile as suggested
I'm not sure if there is anything official but there is a lot of things in Halo that happen not because they make sense, but to make gameplay cooler
Because we have plenty of on-screen and in-text feats for their species that contradict the idea
There's no boots worn by Jackals to enhance their bodies, nor do they have energy shields like what we see Elites using
Note to self, make fanonically accurate jackals mod
well, san shyuum can genetically modify themselves to become prelates so maybe there's some gene therapy going on for the Jackals
I think it would've been disclosed by now if that were the case
If they did have brittle bones, it'd be an easy thing to find on their Halopedia page, given it's not mentioned there, seems like it's not canon they have brittle bones
In lower-gravity environments, Yanme'e are capable of using their wings for actual aerial maneuvering, but the weight of their exoskeletons prevent them from flying.1- When the Covenant discovered this natural ability, scientists extended their flight capabilities by fixing gravity-dampening modules to their bodies. The module adjustment gave the Yanme'e the ability to take flight freely, and the species proved to be impressive fliersâparticularly on worlds that had less gravity than Palamok.7- Yanme'e are also impressively strong, despite their frail appearance. They can also be seen lifting their enemies off the ground to impressive heights.24-/26-
Sources from the 2009 Encyclopedia, Waypoint page for Yanm'e, New Blood, and Crow's nest from Halo 3.
You are right. Not with harnesses, but grav dampening modules
It's another one of the halo's many fanon misconceptions that people want to be canon, as far as I know
The thing with the Drones is a canon thing, yes, but the 2009 encyclopaedia ain't exactly known for being the most accurate
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/yanme-e-drones
You're right about that, but their Waypoint page states that aspect about gravity dampener modules is part of their canon. Don't see anything that contradicts this, unless Halopedia is outdated.
Let me check!
Don't rely on waypoint anymore, according to 343i, always use halopedia
Where do you think I got the information from? Copy-pasted from Halopedia, and added citations to sources.
- Waypoint pages will still be sourced.
- Even if the pages vanish. We at Halopedia will source archived versions. (More on that around Wednesday if all goes to plan
) - If any mistakes are there on the wiki. Just toss them my way! I love a good puzzle to solve.
Very excellent to hear CIA, don't think I'm not aware of your immense contribution to the site! Glad you saw this convo when you did, I'd have tagged otherwise đ
One of the Wiki Staff there I am aha. Always investigating ways to make stuff easier on y'all.
me not being able to tell who's Jerome Alice and Douglas during Halo Wars 
Its all in the emblems, weapon choice, small body language, and voice
In Halo Wars all of Red Team have unique emblems that blew a few back on the Pedias minds when they were spotted.
Are there any good screenshots of the emblems?
I know Jerome has the Spartan on his shoulder but I don't recall seeing Alice or Douglas' emblems
Give me a small mo
I have a image saved somewhere
Yea barely anyone knows Alice has a Emblem
Douglas wears a stylized version of the Spartan-II patch
Jerome wears a Spartan helmet
And Alice... well no idea on why its a skull
You can see the skull if you look however ;)
(Gosh just noticed the 2nd smaller one)
Awesome! Thanks! Good to know what each of theirs is now
Sorry for the late reply, but in academy when you beat your high score or beat the drill the girl Spartan( forgot her name) says, âJun himself would be proudâ
Agryna
Thanks. I knew it started with an a. I thought it was Anita at some point. lol
biggest L
Like thinking the master chiefs name is jack
lol when I first started halo I thought his name was Blake or Michael
My dumg butt saw his name in a monitor on CE:A and thought that I was the only one who knew his name. XD
lol
Lol
Serious question, what do you think is the Covenantâs view on homosexuality/same-sex relationships?
Looking at the Design or the halo Infinite commando
Is it inspired by the Kriss Vector?
Because the back section of the weapon resembles the Kriss Vector
Sangheili probably support it
Jiralhanae I doubt
grunts
uh
are grunts
kig yar i doubt they do lmao
-SAN SHYUUM: Due to heavy breeding control and the Roll of Celibates, occasionally San Shyuum might enter same-sex relationship. There is a slight taboo associated with it, and it can occasionally be used as blackmail.
-SANGHEILI: Itâs an unwritten long tradition for warriors away from home to become close to a "brother" while on campaign. While not encouraged, commanders generally see it favorably as a way to build camaraderie and get the warriors to fight harder because their lover is in the fight.
-JIRALHANAE: Generally seen as taboo, a Jiralhanae in a same-sex relationship will be teased, unless they have the strength to assert themselves as alphas.
yeah those are about as i expected
Where did you get this information?
places
I invented it, itâs headcanon
oh
Please indicate that when posting, this channel is for actual lore
i thought it was real smh
Yeah, we want to avoid that sort of confusion
What if you had told a friend about that like it was real? It would start to spread
Head canon is never real canon
Hence why itâs head canon
Roses are red violets are blue IM READY HOW BOUT YOU
(Dies)
Only headcanon/fanon I seen that became canon are those that stem from the Encyclopedia 2009 scenario, very "fun" stuff, the rare times ARGs interact with people IRL, ship designs (just the designs), and that one time an author used Halo Nation and got the wrong lore and boom we are stuck with the Engineer rate.
If it becomes canon then itâs not head canon anymore
But all canon starts as someoneâs head canon
Pffft true.
Also, the weirdness with Fistfull of Arrows, which was never explicetly stated as canon, but which at least one person said it should be.
Understandably so.
If they let that one in they'd have set a precident that could get undesirably messy
tbf no elements of that have made it into canon.
They referenced it via tongue and cheek out of universe. But no lore itself has made it into the fiction.
(Well I lie. ONE single thing made it in)
Yeah. They said they wished they could or something like it.
I wonder when. The canon fodder is coming out
Fireteam is a gameplay mechanic found in Halo: Reach. With it, the player can recruit up to five UNSC Army, Militia, Marine, Air Force pilots, and ODST troopers found through the campaign. These troopers will then follow the player throughout the level, and their status is shown in the player's HUD next to the motion tracker. Each friendly comba...
Grim being a CPL is a direct reference to Fistful
Where he was written as one there.
(No other fireteam soldier has CPL in their name.)
I thought Fistful came out afterwards.
8 names were added when MCC added Reach.
(Would of been 9 but one was removed. We saw that 9th one during a stream)
@last anchor đ Hope that explains it
Ohhhh. Updates. Nice.
What was the removed name?
I'd assume it is the name right under for sgm p. Hintze with the call sign ANGR
I got a question my dudes
Is masterchief the best spartan? like the most lethal to existance?
Nope
who is?
And overall better rank
he has the rank of master chief. But why Linda
also Ostral what are your thoughts on Halo 5
do you think that linda in infinite will be wearing a mjolnir like armor
since it's gen 3
...Yes?
Linda is a good spartan but not a fan of her armor
btw still salty they killed rookie in a book
Why wouldn't she be wearing Mjolnir in Infinite (If she does appear in the game)? Mjolnir is standard for Spartans
Go linda go linda go
idgaf it's canon that Kat was killed by a halo 2 jackal sniper
So you meant the Mark IV or V Mjolnir permutation?
We already saw linda in gen 3 armour
mark 4 I think
V is what John wears in CE, IV is the kind you see in Halo Wars.
There's also a lot of mark IV variants
didn't linda wear the IV one?
Before the fall of Reach, though I'm pretty sure she was given Mark V during it, I think.
Why wouldn't it?
to be fair, the highest ranking member of Blue team would be Fred-104
Wasn't she in reach while it fell?
Fred-104 (massively) outranks John-117
and the spartans were literally having o downtime
So was John.
Yeah but he was in pillar of autumn for most part wasn't he?
Both Linda and John were only fighting on the last day on the invasion
Halo Reach and its consequences have been a disaster for Halo's Lore/Timeline
idc Halo Reach is one of the best Halos
Not really
I'd say Halo reach is neons above Halo 5 and 4
isn't reach's story partially just to mess with the books because of how much some people at bungie hated the extended lore
even in gameplay Reach was superior. Only true fans remember the invisible elite in first mission on legendary or trying to get the achievement of not dying to fall damage trough assasination on that 1 elite.
Like halo reach is fun and all, and I enjoyed playing it but iirc, it really messed with the timeline presented by Fall of Reach
like brutes not being mentioned in the books
yet appearing in the game
Is Halo Wars worth it for the lore?
I mean it's good but it's self contained
Halo Wars 2 is more connected to the main lore
play both
anyway I hope we see ODSTs in infinite
they are badass
there's something about not being as protected as spartans that make them cool
I nearly started chocking on my food after I read that
Only true fans? No gatekeeping
It's called a joke dude, it's halo gmers joke
I don't like reach gameplay, slow and bloomy. But storywise, it has issues
I respect that
I personally loved it.
Specially the camera work.
One of the best scenes in halo is where they are engaged by the elites and carter sends 6 and 5 to track them down
I don't think that's one of the best in halo
I personally think it is
I still remember my dad walking in with halo 3 and halo reach in hand
I remember in Halo 3 last mission I would wait for the falling floor to almost reach me to make it look more epic
but imo Reach is one of the best Halos
specially because of the stakes and atmosphere of it
there is this unhopeful atmosphere all troughout
What. It's canon
Hahaha
See that guy might seem like he is laughing but it's actually a PTSD episode
He played Halo 2 on veteran or legendary
Crys
i played every halo on legendary lmao
Then you know Kat got killed by a Jackal
i mean, no, but okay
Yeah he is just hidden in the cinematic he appears behind the in the dark
anyway enough jokes
it still hurts me she died like that
it was a needle rifle from a zealot-
Hey listen here you fu-gets one shot sniped across 3 different buildings with full cover
Mombasa streets on legendary in a nutshell
Well itâs called outskirts but you know what I mean
Really thr only thing worse are the sniper flood forms in QZ
Even if you have a vehicle, the rocket flood will make up for it
palmer?
in ce i was in two betrayals trying to just run away from the flood and the rocket one always comes outta nowhere
also i also think kat got killed by a halo 2 sniper jackal
Nah, had that been the case, all of noble would have fallen right then and there
Kat was killed by a Zealot
oh then idk
Agrina
I think itâs spelled with a Y
oh yeah he wouldâve got 2 collats and then sniped carter and emile last
Spartan agrina is the one that says that Iâm pretty sure
I canât spell it but yeah itâs agr-e-na
Laurette Agryna
Thanks for the correct spelling
yo what if rookie just got shot then he just stands up and says âyou recharged my shield thanksâ
I mean... did you check the page xD
Sorry, I kinda didn't have much time at the time I asked that so I have not checked it yet
Have they announced any kind of early podcast/mini series like they did for 5, like hunt the truth
Till??
The book comes out
Ah
sorry im kinda dumb
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question for the group...i checked halopedia but couldnt find the answer
but
what happened to Captain Del Rio after he went on a "Family Vacation"
If he survived the Created Uprising he's probably being his usual slimeball self
He got sniped by a sniper jackal from halo 2 on legendary
WISHFUL THINKING AND I LOVE IT
i kinda sorta imagined him in the Midnight Facility
as a political prisoner of the Office of Naval Intelligence
but killed by a legendary halo 2 sniper jackal sounds nice too lol
I dont think talking crap about the chief is an offence
yeah, there's no reason for him to be in jail.
Let alone the Midnight facility.
He was already court martialed for leaving Chief behind on Requiem.
That's bad enough for his career.
del oreo didnt really leave chief behind on requiem chief more or less on his own accord went awol to stop the didact
Del orea?
*oreo
I'm surprised at how people say Del Rio is somehow this super incompetent failure. His decisions aren't necessarily perfect but he doesn't really do anything supremely incompetent or illegal. And he's technically right in regards to Cortana, considering how one mission after her outburst she's already starting to fall apart seriously enough that it affects the mission (like when she almost traps the Didact at the end of Shutdown, leading indirectly to the composing of Ivanoff station and New Phoenix).
He meant Del Rio
Illegal? Of course not.
Incompetent? "Recon? We don't need Recon. This is a blow through op"
"You were sent on a scouting mission while the ship was under attack?!"
That doesn't seem like something terribly incompetent, if they have some troops to spare it can't hurt to know what's going on?
While the biggest ship in the UNSC's arsenal is under attack by an even bigger ship and several thousand Covenant soldiers, is a terrible time to go on a recon mission.
Also please turn off the ping.
It's not necessary.
sending recon out isnt dumb per say, its sending out marines rather than you know using drones to do so
ive lost track of where this conversation is going lol
Yeah but they have like thousands of Marines, and they're going against ships, not ground forces.
There's ground forces, too.
I donât think del Rio should be hated but he wasnât portrayed well. The UNSCs biggest most powerful ship is commanded by some one who is yelling at our boi chief. Just because the player is attached to the chief made del rio unlikeable. As a military personnel he should be barking commands. Johnson was barking commands at marines he just never Yelled a angrily.
Plus at that point IIRC the Covenant ships are basically falling apart from lack of maintenance while the Infinity is the most souped-up ship the UNSC ever produced.
Yeah. Juls forces were already damaged from being sucked in the gravity thing.
And the Infinity has like a couple battalions worth of soldiers and marines I'm pretty sure sparing a few platoons for recon isn't quite Custer levels of incompetence.
But again, they weren't just under attack by Covenant. The bigger threat here was the Didact and the new enemy that was the Prometheans.
He was portrayed as they intended
Huh
Well, I mean, you arenât really supposed to like Del Rio.
Well I certainly didnât sooo
Technically nothing he does is wrong, heâs just more like an annoying middle manager more concerned with his position than an âinspiration to his menâ type of leader like Jacob Keyes.
Facts
Am I supposed to like Sarah Palmer? Because I don't.
Same bro if you read new blood halo book sheâs a little more likable because you see her as an ODST but still meh
Del rio is purposefully introduced as someone were not supposed to like because heâs antagonistic to the chief
Palmer just seems to rub some people the wrong way with her brassy demeanor, which isnât a reason imo not to like her
Both del rio and Palmer are some of the more realistic characters to be featured in halo, compared to, letâs say, Johnson
But I guess some people donât really want realistic characters and would rather have fun characters who are quotable or likeable
Yeah
For all her attitude, Palmer has never impeded the chief. The opposite, in fact
Don't forget, Del Rio taking off also allowed for the infinity to help later. Does anyone really think the ship could have done much inside Requiem?
In hindsight, they apparently could've, according to Cortana. Though it is very understandably not a risk most people would want to take.
Well, certainly Chief would have had a better chance keeping the Didact on requiem with a whole capital ship at his back as opposed to just a pelican and a dwindling AI
Sure, he won in the end but not before the Didact left, got the composer, and murked a bunch of innocent people
The infinityâs dorsal cannons could have kept the cryptum at bay and stopped it from entering the Mantleâs Approach
honestly if there's anything that made me dislike Palmer it's not her 1 line of banter with the green robot man
it's Spartan Ops
H I N G E H E A D S
Spartan Ops, Initiation, and Escalation made me not a fan of her, yeah.
Though H5 made her better, ironically.
like there's far worse things she's done than tease MC
like her throwing an actual hissy fit over Halsey escaping
and even then I don't hate Palmer, I just don't care for her too much one way or the other
Halsey is a war criminal and actually dangerous, Palmer had good reason to be upset over her escape
Moreso that she had so little control over herself that she smashed UNSC equipment over it.
Thatâs what I mean about realistic
Think about all the gamers who throw their controller or something in a rage. Itâs a very human response
And that makes them dislikeable.
That's not exactly the point.
If youâre just going to blanket say that any display of lacking control makes a character dislikeable then I say you lack nuance
Your point was that people can have realistic reactions to things, right? I'm saying that in real-life, people can be disliked as well.
Well yea but having bad traits doesnât make you a bad person
But it can make you disliked.
And characters with negative traits arenât bad characters
I don't think she's a bad character, I think she was a dislikeable character.
But again, I think context for behaviors is key
Del rioâs responses seemed out of place because they were exaggerated compared to the situation. At least up until Chief directly disobeyed him
Del rio dismissing chiefâs recon request when chief obviously has better understanding of field ops shows he was more concerned about his ego than mission success. Palmer breaking stuff because Halsey escaped isnât ego, itâs legitimate frustration, possibly even fear
Thereâs no point in trying to explain things, tho, people feel how they feel
Yes.
Idk, Palmer breaking stuff as a result of a VIP war criminal escaping seems like an unhealthy reaction from a career military woman whoâs a Spartan and commands other men and women. Itâs more the kind of thing Tartarus or Ripaâ Moramee would do.
On an unrelated note, how does one "decomission" a Halo ring?
Oh, I thought they destroyed all Flood samples and destroyed/disabled the bits of Halo that kill people.
Never really went into depth with it, so they might do those things as well.
I have the comic Initiation, and I have read New Blood. Didn't make me like her any more.
THIS
Not just Hingehead, but also labeling all the scientists "eggheads".
Like wtf, Palmer?
You know they term is not one she came up with?
And itâs military banter others use?
It feels degrading.
That term is used in halo reach as well you know?
where?
I just made an amazing realisation. In Reach, you only start fighting Brutes in the last half of the campaign, and theyâre first introduced going after a city which would be mostly civilians. Perhaps Truth wanted to use the Elites to soften up Reach and suffer casualties to make them weaker for the upcoming schism?
I think youâre looking at that too much
How powerful is the incineration cannon in lore?
@swift atlas as it's bio says, it.was able to clean away small spore mountains( a regular one can grow 50km high and hundreds wide)and or areas believed to hold a gravemind lairs
Wow. So one shot or a couple would end all existence?
One.
No, though could see three of them ending the main bulk of the gravemind in halo 2
probably a couple
Probably used the brutes to kill civilians because elites wouldn't like that as much for their honor. Whereas brutes would be happy to do it.
Facts probably
Until I can talk about it with people. Well people better read it fast
speaking of promethean weapons the boltshot and binary rifle would have to be my ultimate favorite loadout...stupid?? probably...but i mean you like what you like lol
My favorite loadout is an SMG and an AR tbh
Anyways I think Spartan 3's are just the coolest spartans
Was thel vadam (the current arbiter) part of the covenant fleet that destroyed reach?
Yes.
damn, I'm not sure if I forgive arbiter for doing that stuff to humanity, I mean I want the elites and humans to be allies but still yk they did stuff to humanity
Everyone makes mistakes. đ
Lol true, also the prophets were lying to the elites
they were just following the prophet's orders, so technically it was the prophet's fault
Many humans still don't trust the Elites. But it's better to be reluctant allies for the future than to remain enemies.
Indeed.
Ripa will always be best arbiter
I want pre covenant books
I hope we get an explosion in novels after infinite launch
You guys who will read the new book. Please read fast.
I better expect you
I read all the books im a teacher mf
Youâre getting divine wind right?
mayhaps
Then I guess I wonât be excepting you.
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Like the saying goes. So lonely at the top
what if i dont đł
If you donât read it.. on day one hours after itâs release. Then Iâll be impatiently waiting still
ohhh i just remembered something and im angy
What ?
Just remembered I have a job đ©
Also sometimes Iâve thought about doing a book reading marathon. But Iâd need a lot of time⊠what would happen if I read all the halo novels nearly non stop. Like two a day. That may be too much reading.
I would pay to see that
Some twitch stream donations everyone reading halo books marathon stream? Haha
I would give you 50% of my pay just to watch that
ive read 8 halo books in last month and half. 4 more till infinite
its really fun reading though them. i recommend it
Speaking of books
did they move Divine wind? It was meant to come out on 19th
But my order was moved to the 29th
what are the two betrayals on the level two betrayals? (I know one is guilty spark)
I think itâs supposed to represent how both chief and spark betrayed each other from their own perspectives
oh
They ate the moa from reach
Thatâs probably on the end of your store
Moa Burger pringles exist btw
Theyâre good
Spark betrayed Chief, Cortana was betrayed (Somewhat) by Chief maybe?
Bloody Amazon betrayed me then
I was betrayed by my own grenade.
Do we know of Spartans born on earth
Think there's at least one known about
Iâve read about ten in the last two months. Ups and downs, but Iâve enjoyed it
Any idea who?
Reading kilo five
Thereâs some bruh moments
But I am not hating it
Jul is pretty cool tbh
I heard he dies in seconds in one of the games
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Lol
Waste
Karen traviss is doing a republic commando again. She hates halsey so much lol
At least Randall
It wouldâve been nice irony if the Spartans were purely from the colonies
Another scumbag thing the unsc has done
Exactly
Due to certain factors, I am canonically dead in the halo universe
Lol
Two betrayals name does stand on thin reasoning
Despite the name "Two Betrayals," only one betrayal occurs: 343 Guilty Spark's turning against the Chief. Though it is possible that the Chief and 343 Guilty Spark can be looked at as betraying each other, or that it is referring first to Cortana 'betraying' the Chief by refusing to activate Halo, then to Guilty Spark.
huh good point
It's absolutly funny how ONI command in Kilo Five is soo butthurt about Halsey
when they told her to do all the stuff and gave the reources in the first place lol
But hey, good thing - Blue Team stayed in character and didn't give a single care about who they were before the Spartan program.
how do hunters even see
Because of their combined neural nets' sensitivity to their surroundings, Mgalekgolo can think and work as an effective combat unit without even using verbal communication. They can also locate their enemies even without directly "seeing" them, such as when they are facing the opposite direction.
A Mgalekgolo is formed physically, and neurologically, by a group of Lekgolo, to become a single, collective hive-mind community. They can sense and detect their surroundings due to that.
so they have spidey sense
In a simplified way, yeah đ
They did
I've been betrayed by my own marines countless times... Even when I supply them with the best weapons
The covenant should've thought of that by now
Don't trust marines fool
Especially when they have concussion rifles
And I swear they're suicidal with rocket launchers
Today even, I gave a ODST in exodus a rocket launcher... I heard an explosion later on and went to investigate.. and found his body next to it, with an explosion mark on a wall near him...
Tell me lore and universe... Why do they do this?
Their goals are beyond your understanding.
AI behaviour within the gameplay is not indicative of anything in the canon
it should be
Halo is a game where automatic weapons can't do headshots...the relation between gameplay and canon has basically never existed
That must make halo 5 the more canon-accurate gameplay
Or infinite
i wish it was canon whenever a marine gets plasma grenade they just run into another group of marines and explode them
They do tumble off cliffs because they canât take off their backpacks and make fine red art on the wall
In lore
I think if a plasma grenade gets stuck to a Marine or ODST helmet, they should throw their helmet like in Day at the Beach
That would be a cool function in Infinite
They would throw it at chief
So Karen traviss is backing up the general disfunction of elite society without the covenant
The idea elites donât have doctors, donât allow surgery. Can hardly farm or do anything without covenant labour
Itâs actually consistent to Cole protocol and what it puts forward.
Not consistent to some other stuff
Like half jaw lol
They canât even work their own technology Jesus
Oh and they use Brutes as slaves
Is Chips Dubbo one of the strongest marine ever existed?
Traviss usually writes in her small bubble
Kinda like Republic Commando and the Jedi not giving two s h i t s for the Clones lol
Nah, that goes to Corporal Charles whoâs an ODST Bullfrong that just falls to his death when jetpacking across a 10 ft gap
The Marine/ODST AI could use a buff in general
no wonder there wasn't any in the Halo 5 campaign
@gentle ridge the stuff they put to paper has largely been ignored. Sangheili have weapon makers, engineers, farmers, and everything else a functioning society already has
It's just Traviss being Traviss
Yeah, she's famous for not researching universes she writes for
Also how does it make it suck? Having Sangheili that incompetent is what would ruin thr universe
i remember that! that was in reach and it was hilarious
Basically youâre telling me that this book isnât canon because this is key to Juls entire motivation
Also
Where does it contradict?
What came before this book that said different?
I don't remember how much was written about the Sanghelli and Covie species planet's in general before the novel timeline wise so idk if it contracitds anything
So basically itâs not her fault
Nobody said it isn't canon lol
Literally the events of the book are rendered non canon
The various weapons and combat harnesses shown in h5 and MCC, for starters
Did those come out before the book?
wack
Well in the end they do sort of
Again, Traviss is infamous for not researching for what she writes
||Kill Jul in one cutscenes lol||
what are we talking about
iâve been reading but iâm honestly so confused
Sad
Yeah I'm confused about this a bit too
Bruh
How is it hard
The book paints a picture of the sorry state of elite society
Julâs partial motivation is that it needs to change
And Iâm being told that everything out forward isnât an issue
Elites canât even repair ships or build their own
And donât give her fuss, because itâs consistent. The prophets build the tech
I'm pretty sure most of Covie vessels were relaint on Engineer's
Engineers and prophets
so yeah they sorta were short on people able to fix stuff
If you've been tasked with writing within a universe and you don't do the research, it is the fault of the writer for not doing the necessary research
We also have the fact, the Sangheili were able to upgrade 3400+year old ships to modern standards
Technician is clearly implying older lore like all the pre 2010 books
Well I asked
And no one said anything
I am well aware of what sheâs like
She hates halsey and it shows
She did the same with the Jedi too in her star wars novels
Indeed, which is why I am so confused as to why Callum reacted to what I said in the way they did
It clearly doesn't bare Covie lore in mind that much lol
Alas Cole Protocol and Contact Harvest came out prior to that and as far as I'm aware, Elite's had not much issue with running their own turf
Iâm still waiting on you to give the example technician
My biggest issues aside from some weird character stuff in this book
Has to be the complete butchering of how ftl travel and coms work
And I donât think itâs even her fault but I donât know
It actually breaks the entire war to be honest
Contact harvest established that long rang comms arenât sorted yet. Masers can only go so far. Ftl coms is as fast as the fastest ship
Not anymore lol
You know that example you wanted of her not doing her research before writing? You've just given yourself one
The funniest retcon in Kilo Five is
There's no point me searching for one when you've just come up with one regarding how she handled FTL communication
Bruh
Didn't need to tag me
my favorite line is âgive me that chipâ i just imagine chief with a bag of doritos in his hand
Are you gonna cry?
I just said
I donât think itâs her fault
Or am I to blame her for mentioning noble six?
is this an argument cause i canât really tell?
The example was specific to elite society, you tried to brush it off as her not knowing. So please, give me the example
So that's where all the cross promotion comes from eh?
yes, what do you think he drinks mountain dew of course
Which totally ruins the war
You complained that the novel was inconsistent with both preestablished lore and lore that came after, you never specifically asked me for an example related to the Elites specifically so don't try and make me out as being the one in the wrong here
Damn
When did you ask me for an example specific to the Elites?
Almost like I was talking about something in particular
đ”âđ«
ask you specifically
i have a theory, what if johnson actually got shot by a halo 2 jackal and not by 343
What?
Is the most charitable I can be
You are making zero sense now
you replied to me
âwhat?â Lmfao
Amnesia
Are you ok
Please stop tagging me
Are you finished crying?
And me saying you are making no sense is not meaning I have lost memories
You canât answer what you pretended you would answer. Itâs fine
I guess you canât read
We donât need to linger on it
I did answer, you aren't happy with the answer you were given and are now trying to antagonise me
this whole conversation is confusing now
itâs like watching my parents argue over who has the better car
You seem like youâre perpetually baffled at everything around you
Me so confused me know understand lmfao
Long story short: the elite situation isnât her fault
But I totally get issues with her general attitude
who cares
itâs not a worry in yalls lives
Lore and universe channel
yeah but arguing over it makes no sense
Arguing over lore
In the lore channel
Almost like halo fans care about that stuff
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yeah itâs crazy, but no need to argue respect others opinions simple
Very high tier intellect of perpetual confusion and general ignorance
She didn't do the research required, meaning that it had to have been her fault for lore in her books to be inconsistent with the lore of everything before
Still waiting
Tell me what it doesnât fit with
I want to note that at no point in this, have I insulted or shown any disrespect to you while you have done so on multiple occasions. I have asked you to not tag me multiple times and you have continued to do so
I hear that world hunger can be solved if you had the ability to answer a single question.
So please
ye
Cool Divine Wind comes out next week
Billions are begging
Is it true a Spartan gamma murks a Spartan two in the book lol
whoâs the dude who keeps saying ye lol
The second coolest mf here after me
ye
that was a funny joke
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