Do we know what happened to Admiral Hood after the Human-Covenant War?
#lore-and-universe
mint flume
tacit charm
he got drunk
earnest topaz
Collected a pension.
mint flume
Excuse my French
I’m pretty sure everyone was extremely into reproducing after that as well.
fair hazel
What?
fair hazel
he got drunk
It sounds funny but it’s not really that untrue
versed helm
I mean, what else is he supposed to do after retirement
fresh sandal
i don’t think he exactly retired but currently i think him and Serin Osman are hiding out on Rossbach’s World if i remember correctly
bc of the whole Created conflict
fresh sandal
and osman copes with the whole thing by jogging, meanwhile lord hood just drowns his sorrows in booze
one sec ill check for ya
i think it’s one of those short stories straight up called “Rossbach’s World”
mint flume
I appreciate it, Spartan
fresh sandal
no problemo
it’s specifically one of the Fractures short stories
versed helm
Is it in one of those tales from slipspace collection
fresh sandal
“Halo Fractures: Tales from the Halo Canon”
versed helm
Ohh
stable flower
When the power goes on in Crow's Nest in Halo 3, someone says "Shielding failed. They're down and charging." What does that mean? They use shielding to power the base?
shut dew
prisma steppe
Any canonical explanation why John is so resistant to mental breaks?
gilded mason
I assume it's simply good stress training.
viscid trout
Or he's just seen a lot of that stuff.
fresh lantern
is rvb canon to halo
strong shoal
for halo infinite multiplayer, are the spartans we play as spartan-IVs?
tacit pecan
is rvb canon to halo
No.
north birch
is rvb canon to halo
Unfortunately not :(
sullen ridge
for halo infinite multiplayer, are the spartans we play as spartan-IVs?
yes, also equipped with the mk 7 armor
strong shoal
gen 3 right?
lament hornet
Correct, S-IV wearing MARK VII GEN3 (Not including the myriad of armor cores)
strong shoal
cheers
spent the past couple weeks getting into the lore
mark and gen armour is a little convoluted
but i'm enjoying it all :)
worldly crystal
is rvb canon to halo
It's sad that it isn't
prisma steppe
Or he's just seen a lot of that stuff.
:/
gusty star
It’s really not sad, considering it’s primarily a comedic series
sweet barn
Anybody knows if there is a (audio)book that covers halo 2, like The Flood did with halo ce?
versed helm
No The Flood was a unique case.
sweet barn
Okay, tnx tho
Any interesting books to try?
I got
Shadows of reach
The flood, obviously
Fractures
Bad blood
versed helm
Smoke and shadow, Renegades and Point of Light
unique rune
Broken Circle is worth a read
versed helm
The Rion Forge trilogy is the best Halo literature to date
sweet barn
Tnx I'll make sure I'll try them👍
versed helm
Sounds good. Kilo 5 trilogy is essiential groundwork for the postwar era
Hunters in the Dark and Envoy are good as well
Honestly, i would suggest you read each book in order of release since some books borrow characters, settings and reference events from past Halo books. You will get the most enjoyment and understanding if you read it all in order of release
sweet barn
Understandable and I did notice that once I listened to fractures with what happened to Jun and the other Spartan IVs what was referenced in bad blood
versed helm
Mhm! Fractures has a lot of stories that are prologues to books that came after
It's also the only way you can read Saint's Testimony and Shadow of Intent in print format
sweet barn
Speaking of S.O.I. is there any other book with R'tas Vadum
versed helm
Also an interesting note. The Halo ring on the cover of Fractures is Installation 07 and the cover make it appear to be broken. And in Halo Infinite, Installation 07 is broken. Kinda cool foreshadowing
Ummmm, no. Rtas Vadum does not appear in any other novels
I mean he does appear in the Halo Graphic Novel
But that's it
sweet barn
I know right, I heard that point being made on YouTube too by the iconic one
That's sad hope they will bring him back at some point, fingers crossed he will show up in infinite alongside arby
versed helm
I doubt he will show up in Halo Infinite
With the way the SOI was described it's slowly falling apart. The Banished could easily overtake it
versed helm
Honestly, a Prelate would be cool
As a boss enemy
Even tho i highly highly doubt the banished want to make friends with a san'shyuum
sweet barn
Indeed
versed helm
Althought, i think a prelate is on the cover of Divine Wind. So either that's a rogue prelate or a member of the Banished
Guess we'll find out in... 17 days
gusty star
Or it’s part of the contingent of Covenant loyalists present on the Anodyne Spirit
versed helm
Hmmm that's a good point
sweet barn
Sorry, what's in 17 days?😅
versed helm
Might be how those Brutes actually remained loyal
And stayed in the ship for 7 years
Or 8
I forget
versed helm
Sorry, what's in 17 days?😅
The Halo book, Divine Wind releases on October 19th. Its a sequel to Shadows of Reach but has narrative connections to Last Light, Retribution and Halo Wars 2
sweet barn
Definitely gonna put that one on the list too then
versed helm
Troy Denning imo doesnt do sequels too well. Retribution and Oblivion are very meh so I dont have too much expectations for Divine Wind. It does have the possibility to be something good
It's set on the Ark so I'm probably going to enjoy it
sweet barn
I'll keep that in mind,
And read well (or listen well if it's an audiobook)
Well work calls been fun have nice day people
versed helm
See ya around Spartan
sweet barn
Same to you spartan
fair hazel
I like those books
wet quarry
Hmm
terse lava
I do wonder how much Divine Wind will actually touch on the nature of the Great Journey, seeing as they went through the trouble to have covenant loyals survive on the keyship, along with an apparent San'Shyuum prelate
velvet rose
how heavy is master chief's mjolnir armor
terse lava
2000 lbs if i recall
velvet rose
jesus how is he even walking in it
terse lava
Its powered by a fusion core, and is neutrally linked to his mind
small geode
Plus if you look he has these nodes grafted in his skin
terse lava
Believe that's just part of the suit. His augmented bones do help though
They had normal humans test the suit, and it broke their bodies
velvet rose
honestly,seeing a single spartan lifting up a entire warthog with another spartan in it in halo 4 mountain dew commercial i am not surprised that master chief can walk in a armor like that
terse lava
Think it's more impressive, even with all that, he has still been shown struggling g against Sangheili and Jiralhanae
small geode
It's as impressive as taking a free fall through the atmosphere and surviving
gentle ridge
The dirt halo evolutions short story is fantastic
Didn’t like Cole protocol
But that short story is just fantastic
tacit charm
how heavy is master chief's mjolnir armor
half a ton
tacit pecan
jesus how is he even walking in it
Because he's augmented, just like every other Spartan. Even without their armor on, they can lift 3 times their respective body weights, which is already heavier than normal humans thanks to the augmentations.
velvet rose
Because he's augmented, just like every other Spartan. Even without their armor ...
so technically that one spartan lifting an entire warthog with another spartan in it in that one mountain dew commercial is technically possible to pull off lore-wise ?
velvet rose
now i can understand why hitting enemies with your weapon kills them so quickly
tacit pecan
Then again, lifting a 3 metric ton car with a fully armored Spartan in it, who also weighs half a ton in their own armor, might be stretching their lifting capabilities a bit.
tacit pecan
now i can understand why hitting enemies with your weapon kills them so quickly
Chief once killed an Elite in a single punch in lore.
wild crest
i like frogs
random lantern
Do infection forms/pod infectors have hard parts like claws or a beak?
tacit charm
if they want to sure
humble yacht
Do infection forms/pod infectors have hard parts like claws or a beak?
They have sharps tendrils that can slash open the titanium alloy tech suit of MJOLNIR armor
random lantern
They have sharps tendrils that can slash open the titanium alloy tech suit of MJ...
Is that the part in the Flood novel where one almost infects the Chief but Cortana saves him at the last second?
gilded mason
Yeh
random lantern
Oh
terse lava
Still funny how its never explained how any flood cells didn't enter his body
random lantern
It was early on in the lore so presumably the flood super cell lore wasn't fully fleshed out. Presumably the infection form didn't have time to fully pump him full of FSC and his superior Spartan physiology allowed his immune system to handle what little flood cells entered, plus he immediately disinfected the wound.
That's the only reasonable explanation I can think of.
terse lava
I know, but it came out the name year as First Strike, 2003
Where it said Johnson had inactive/dead flood cells within him
random lantern
You got me there.
humble yacht
Iirc this was before the Mona Lisa short story where the flood were given “zombie” properties where a bite or scratch would be enough for infection
fresh sandal
mona lisa was a very interesting one
ONI didn’t know about the flood until after the events of Alpha Halo right??
bc i know spirit of fire encountered them @ etran harborage but obviously they went missing after that
random lantern
I think the flash of the energy shields fired any cells. But idk
The infection form's tendrils had pierced his skin.
bronze schooner
I think that’s only for if there’s flood spores in the air (Like in Halo 2 Quarantine Zone ) and someone has an open wound
To be infected by cut or scratch
fair hazel
Not 2000 pounds, John weighs nearly 1000 in armour
random lantern
Speaking of Flood spores. In the game the infection form acts as the "brain" or the "pilot" of a combat form - if it’s destroyed, the combat form is offline. So how come there can be combat form created from Flood spores?
tacit pecan
Not 2000 pounds, John weighs nearly 1000 in armour
Over 1000. The armor is a half ton on it's own.
?
craggy sierra
Over 1000. The armor is a half ton on it's own.
Well he did. Not anymore. The newer gens of armor since then are a fair bit lighter.
tacit pecan
Is there anything to suggest that Chief wears a Gen 2 armor?
gilded mason
Is there anything to suggest that Chief wears a Gen 2 armor?
In Halo 5, yes.
https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/782402924353757184
craggy sierra
It's even newer gen in Halo Infinite
gilded mason
Yeh
craggy sierra
Something like that.
tacit pecan
Ah, cool.
Always liked the look of the MK VI armor.
Glad he went back to looking like that one for Infinite.
And the armor looked amazing in H2A
fresh sandal
Glad he went back to looking like that one for Infinite.
im glad they actually made him look like a tank again
tacit charm
pretty sure gen 3 or at least chiefs variant weighs in the 400ish kgs
fresh sandal
chief is a chunky boi
random lantern
I can’t wrap my head around all these MJOLNIR marks and gen.
fresh sandal
it takes a good while to memorize them, along with the armor variants and their compatibilities
random lantern
I assume the main difference is the underlying tech suit?
random lantern
What’s with Mark V and Mark V[B] and how come Noble Six can wear a Mark VI helmet on a Mark V[B]?
fair hazel
Gen 2 mark vi is the tankiest look I’d say
warm acorn
I wonder what Mark VII armor looks like
tacit charm
you dont need to wonder just search it up
fresh sandal
no one tankier than Jorge
tacit pecan
carmine sleet
I wonder what Mark VII armor looks like
strong shoal
mark vii armour looks awesome. i think chiefs armour in infinite is the best one to date; he looks so much like a walking tank. the tech suit as well looks better imo compared to the weird pebbly/chainmail look from h4/5, and the green armour plates look so much more like armour than weird lumps of metal on him
versed helm
pretty sure gen 3 or at least chiefs variant weighs in the 400ish kgs
Nah we only have a wieght for Mark V which is below 500 kg
GEN 3 probably weights less though?
strong shoal
gen3 is 400kg (source: shadows of reach book)
humble yacht
surprising, it looks like it'd be heavier than gen1 mark v
sweet barn
So how's life everyone?
swift atlas
I feel like Chief looked the most like a tank in halo 4/5 based on the fact of the thickness of his armor. Halo 2/3 looked as if the armor was too thin, but infinite balances it out; not too thin not too thick
wispy wasp
what is the mark IV mjolnir image of master chief on halopedia from? (oh it's halo forward unto dawn)
last anchor
Speaking of Flood spores. In the game the infection form acts as the "brain" or ...
Infection forms are just the most convinent and quickest way for the Flood to aquire biomass from sentient beings.
Spores dont neccecarily produce combat forms. They just introduce raw Flood Super Cell into a host body and things happen from then on out.
There is no SET form for the Flood you see. It changes, adapts. Twists whatever it comes into contact with like a proper galactic horror.
Check out some of the crazy fully canon forms from Last Flight of the Infinite Succor
random lantern
Infection forms are just the most convinent and quickest way for the Flood to aq...
But in that case why the need for infection forms to "pilot" combat forms? Why can the infection form just ditch once its job is done and move on to another delicious victim?
warm acorn
Speaking of Flood, why Grunts and Jackals aren't getting infected by the flood?
last anchor
But in that case why the need for infection forms to "pilot" combat forms? Why c...
They do. If you shoot of a combat forms arms in Halo 3 (and maybe 2, not sure), the Infection form leaves the host and comes charging at you manually
And again, infection forms are just the simplest way for the Flood to take over a sentient being. The brute force approach.
last anchor
Speaking of Flood, why Grunts and Jackals aren't getting infected by the flood?
They do. We just never see their combat forms in a maineline Halo game because of asset limitations.
Nothing is immune to Flood infection, except maybe individual lekgolo worms, but those arent really sentient individually.
random lantern
They do. If you shoot of a combat forms arms in Halo 3 (and maybe 2, not sure), ...
But that’s if you destroy the infection form. The combat form is now "depiloted".
swift seal
They do. We just never see their combat forms in a maineline Halo game because o...
I think there was an explanation in The Flood about grunts and jackals not acing any combat forms because they were too weak, so they just become carriers or raw mass
last anchor
No, if you destroy the infection form, the body falls and another infection form can reanimated it as we saw in 2 and 3.
If you blow off its limbs and make it immobile, then the infection form leaves the body and assaults you on tentecal-feet
random lantern
Nothing is immune to Flood infection, except maybe individual lekgolo worms, but...
Theoretically Yanme’e might be immune to infection forms since they (probably) can’t pierce the exoskeleton. Individual Lekgolo can be "eaten" and become Flood biomass.
last anchor
An infection form cut right through the techsuit of MK V MJLONIR without issue.
Admittedly this was after Chief got ganked with a wrench but still
last anchor
I think there was an explanation in The Flood about grunts and jackals not acing...
That was McKay's theory yes
We see them in Halo Wars though
random lantern
No, if you destroy the infection form, the body falls and another infection form...
Yes but that’s what I mean. People infected with spores would have no infection forms but still be walking around doing Flood stuff. So if you shoot off an infection form that’s in a combat form the combat form should still be active.
last anchor
Again; if they're spore infected they dont turn into the standard combat form.
A combat form with an infection form is its own thing from a spore infected combat form.
Shooting an infection form stops the combat form because the infection form is driving the host
It takes over their nervous system and injects Flood Super Cell into them, as we saw in Floodgate
humble yacht
Nothing is immune to Flood infection, except maybe individual lekgolo worms, but...
They aren’t immune, they just aren’t suitable for combat forms so you won’t see pod infectors trying to convert them
Any biological cell can be converted to a flood cell on an individual level
terse lava
@random lantern I suspect an Infection form is typically more reliable, typically able to infect faster then mere spores. Another reason could be that spore based combat forms may not be as efficient over a greater distance unless the protogravemind had its focus on them.
random lantern
That’s a good lore
terse lava
The two examples I can recall off the top of my head of spore combat forms are Bero 'Kusovai, who fought Rtas 'Vadumee in Last Voyage, and a female marine from Mona Lisa. While both subjects were in the same vessel as their protograveminds, the former had the proto actually watching the fight. Bero proved as dangerous as he was in life, while the latter, the proto was not,, and she acted like a feral animal, bitting the marine who held her.
@random lantern I wouldn't say its lore per say, just my own thoughts on the matter
last anchor
We havent seen spore infected forms other than those two instances
I should also note that during Last Voyage, we see what I can only describe as a "gun beast"; an infected wildlife animal from the nature preserves with dozens of guns fused into its limbs.
The Flood does not follow any set rule. The Flood adapts, it twists and changes
It is the force of natrue incarnate
stable flower
They do. If you shoot of a combat forms arms in Halo 3 (and maybe 2, not sure), ...
Yes it occurs in 2 as well, but only Elite combat forms release infection forms, human ones just die.
last anchor
Huh, interseting
humble yacht
Infections from inhaling spores are slower likely do to the kinetics
Less starting material means full conversion takes longer
woven plaza
i did find it very odd that Pavium and Voridus took off their masks in the middle of a flood infested battlefield
versed helm
They’re just built different
covert dawn
If the superintendent hypothetically become a personal ai in infinite it would be cool if the in-universe lore was Sadie became a Spartan and it was developed for her personally as a thanks for being Virgil's handler after the war
covert dawn
Again; if they're spore infected they dont turn into the standard combat form.
I think there's a book with 2 forerunners inhaling the spores and turning into combat forms
gilded mason
it would be cool if the in-universe lore was Sadie became a Spartan
I'd rather not. At this point it feels like every human character in Halo is becoming a Spartan lmao
covert dawn
> it would be cool if the in-universe lore was Sadie became a Spartan
I'd rathe...
Seeing her again would be cool
Plus with humanity facing extinction again and the spartan program being safer and easier to augment humans that's probably why so many are joining
gilded mason
It just becomes boring
covert dawn
It just becomes boring
That i agree with, especially with spartan ops. Hopefully infinite changes that
woven plaza
Seeing her again would be cool
Bad Blood
covert dawn
Bad Blood
Yeah that was 3 years ago and she was only a small part, not to mention she's never appeared through actual gameplay yet
terse lava
@gilded mason Thel returns in infinite, as a spartan
gilded mason
lmao
swift seal
Truth returns as a prelate
modern cave
i forgot that alien guy name tho but how the spartans became nice to him? weren't they were foes?
gilded mason
What?
swift seal
Thel?
modern cave
Like the arbiter
yes that
what happened till the spartans working together with him and his army?
gilded mason
In Halo 3?
swift seal
In short, the prophets betrayed the elites and he also found out that the Great Journey was a lie so he was pissed about that so he helped Johnson and Miranda game end Tartarus and stop a halo ring from firing
After that they thought he was pretty chill
swift seal
i forgot that alien guy name tho but how the spartans became nice to him? weren'...
Oh wait do you mean in H5?
gilded mason
You were extremely vague
Anyway, Thel created a new government called the Swords of Sanghelios, and pushed for peace between species. The UEG entered an alliance with the SoS since it's a friendly alien faction and they'd be dumb not to get more allies.
woven plaza
what happened till the spartans working together with him and his army?
specifically, whatever forces were with The Arbiter and R'tas (the Shipmaster from 2 and 3), entered a temporary alliance with the UNSC during 3. Afterwards, a definite subset of that group had a more formal treaty with the UNSC, as the Swords of Sanghelios
some Sangheli did not like this arrangement, and rebelled against the Arbiter (see: Halo 4/5's "Storm" Covenant)
tacit pecan
> it would be cool if the in-universe lore was Sadie became a Spartan
I'd rathe...
Well Halsey did say that Spartans were the next step in Humanity's evolution.
terse lava
Speaking of rebellions, fun fact, the Sangheili who wear green storm armor in h4/5 used to be allies of Thel
pulsar grail
barely notice the colors due to the lighting and the fact i shred and bounce
swift seal
I didn’t even know there was green storm armor until I watched a video about it
After I had played H4 like three times
bronze schooner
I only noticed Green Storm in 5
random lantern
Does Master Chief, on some level, resent being made a Spartan? In Halo 5 Cortana says something to the effect of "I’m giving people the chance to be something more" and Chief replies "like Dr. Halsey did to me", making it sounds like he has some resentment.
gilded mason
Nah, he's glad he was made a Spartan, with how much he's done for humanity. However, he doesn't want what happened to him happen to anybody else.
versed helm
Which pretty much goes for most of the 2s bar the washouts that survived
random lantern
Nah, he's glad he was made a Spartan, with how much he's done for humanity. Howe...
That makes sense
versed helm
Is their a lore reason why plasma pistol can’t disable vehicle anymore?
humble yacht
It’s not a bug, and asfaik the plasma pistol never had that ability in the lore
gentle ridge
What is Kelly’s top running speed
Because John has hit 70kph
Her top speed is 62kph in onyx
Lol
humble yacht
John hit that speed and tore his tendon
It’s not sustainable
I’m sure if Kelly was ok injuring herself she could top that
gentle ridge
No he didn’t
This was in halo 2
And there’s no proof she could
Also pretty sure his torn tendon had to do with being shot at. And I’m also thinking that wasn’t as fast as her speed in onyx. Chiefs top speed isn’t beat
Also
This chick in this short story
Wants the chief so badly
Biting her lip lmao
Also, the headhunters story is such a huge continuity mess it’s unreal lol
There’s like at least 40 or so Spartan threes alive lmao. This is after torpedo
Shielded and cloaked Spartans. It basically has to take place after fall of reach to make sense
versed helm
It’s not a bug, and asfaik the plasma pistol never had that ability in the lore
Both the charged shot and the plasma nade can disable stuff, right?
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
@versed helm no, only the charged PP shot, grenade launcher, and power drain
humble yacht
And now the shock weapons in infinite
But that’s not necessarily a canonical ability
Could merely be a gameplay mechanic
terse lava
Makes sense i guess, and yeah, the PP one is obviously just gameplay
fair hazel
I very much doubt that it’s only been all a gameplay mechanic all those years.
And no callum, all the stuff makes sense. Pretty sure you got the wrong speed too. You just don’t know about things and say it doesn’t make sense because you don’t know about them.
humble yacht
Well you actually read the novels so if it was a lore-based ability then what’s an example?
The real question is whether an overcharged plasma shot was ever used in lore before 2007, that would be the proof positive or negative
terse lava
I guess you can argue the PP charge shot is canon, in the sense it would just melt the front of the vehicle
humble yacht
Maybe
terse lava
But yeah, nothing before 2007, as that was its first appearance in h3
humble yacht
There are four novels that came out before halo 3 when the emp mechanic was introduced, I’d say if it was anything but a gameplay ability then the emp function should appear in at least one of those books
fair hazel
Not necessarily. There’s a lot of books where something exists but doesn’t show up. And of course, stuff gets added on afterwards.
Gameplay isn’t 1:1 to canon. But it’s not like you can’t look at how something is in the game and say. It’s not like that at all in lore simply because it isn’t in a book.
terse lava
Best I am finding is a citation from first strike on pg 116
covert dawn
Which pretty much goes for most of the 2s bar the washouts that survived
Honestly the spartan washouts were probably the luckiest, they had no idea the covenant even existed and the ones that did survive either died thinking humanity was doomed or survived only to never rest as humanity continues to face struggle after struggle
tacit pecan
No he didn’t
He literally tore his Achilles tendon. What do you mean he didn't?
fair hazel
They died painful deaths ..
versed helm
So from what I chcecked
Kelly can casually go +40km/h for a long while. Other 2s can match that speed but not for that long and not as eaisly as her.
versed helm
Honestly the spartan washouts were probably the luckiest, they had no idea the c...
Well an S2 is now the head of boogeyman inc
fair hazel
John only exerted himself to produce that result on one occasion.
Kelly constantly goes fast
versed helm
John only exerted himself to produce that result on one occasion.
Yup
Tfw at least 50 pages of Shadows of Reach are John going
"My kneeee"
He took a skewer shot to the knee
He used to be a spartan like you
steep charm
You see those aliens from Sanghelios? They've got glowing swords. Glowing. Swords.
gentle ridge
And no callum, all the stuff makes sense. Pretty sure you got the wrong speed to...
I know what I’m talking about unlike you.
Explain to me how beta Spartans make sense when they all died in operation torpedo bar two. Stated. Explain to me how in between beta and gamma we have at least 20-40 Spartan 3s. It makes no sense
terse lava
Something, something, slipspace.
fair hazel
Not every spartan-III from alpha or beta companies went into those suicide missions.
Several were pulled out. Some of them became headhunters and others used here and there.
gentle ridge
Except that it’s stated multiple times every alpha is dead and only two beta survive
Doesn’t that suck
I’m reading evolutions right now. It’s saying Spartan three backup is going to come in after headhunters
And that there’s like 17-some higher number I can’t recall headhunters. Plus like, I can’t even remember, enough Spartan three fire teams that there will be like 20-40
You can’t reconcile it
terse lava
Hm, there a date stated? Could easily be before said ops
gentle ridge
Bro
fair hazel
You know I read all the books right? You’re missing information. Also you’re getting a lot of numbers wrong.
gentle ridge
Operation torpedo, the Spartans are twelve
gentle ridge
You know I read all the books right? You’re missing information. Also you’re get...
Lol bro I have the book open in my face looking at it
gentle ridge
Hm, there a date stated? Could easily be before said ops
They are twelve in torpedo. So unless headhunters are unaugmented? Not possible. Also? The headhunter *was 12 in the past. He isn’t now
fair hazel
Like I said. Not all of the Spartans went into operation torpedo and prometheus
gentle ridge
And Spartans are public knowledge
fair hazel
Not all of them were 12.
gentle ridge
So that’s like 2540s
fair hazel
Carter was a much older one for some reason
gentle ridge
Because reach writers don’t know their own lore
Anymore than Jun is somehow an alpha when they all died
fair hazel
And not all books have this omniscient forever information
gentle ridge
Wtf does that mean
fair hazel
Because reach writers don’t know their own lore
That’s another issue
terse lava
Well, there is this fun little word, called "retcon" not the first time halo has done that
gentle ridge
Ok and it doesn’t make any sense
You can’t say it’s all canon
And it makes the early books flat out not canon
Try and square the circle of the fall of reach and halo reach and you can’t
I’m reading halo evolutions right now and I’m seeing issues everywhere
terse lava
I sometimes miss those early ones, the Covenant controlling vast swaths of the galaxy, and having ships that melted ever cm of a planet
covert dawn
Well an S2 is now the head of boogeyman inc
And a washout at that lol
fair hazel
They are canon. You don’t seem to accept the reality that not all the IIIs were into operation Prometheus and torpedo.
gentle ridge
“With four pumping strides that gouged deeply into the jungle loam she accelerated to her top speed of sixty-two kilometers per hour.”
Excerpt From
Halo: Ghosts of Onyx
“Barely half a second had passed and he was already ten meters away.”
Excerpt From
Halo: Evolutions - Essential Tales of the Halo Universe
20 metres per second
70kph.
Next time you tell me I got the wrong speed. And tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. Maybe make sure you do so you don’t look ridiculous lmfao
gentle ridge
They are canon. You don’t seem to accept the reality that not all the IIIs were ...
Because onyx says they are dead
And their function is not to be headhunters
terse lava
Don't forget as well, despite Onyx and Headhunters never show spartan III in anything but SPI armor, you get little noble team in fancy armors
gentle ridge
Well done ado you’re totally right
And also have actual camo
And shields
The headhunters do
Why wouldn’t threes get that lol. No shields for Spartan twos? I’m never going to believe that
terse lava
That camo was limited on time, and a prototype if I recall
versed helm
Honestly speaking though
terse lava
Yeah
versed helm
Alpha Company could been eaisly just 300 members
As Jun and Carter were pulled out earlier because the Army wanted they own spartans
gentle ridge
Also Carter being old makes no sense. They need them young.
terse lava
It was.likely too expensive to just give to a bunch of cannon fodder
versed helm
ergo, they weren't Alpha Company. They were Special Warfare group 8
gentle ridge
As Jun and Carter were pulled out earlier because the Army wanted they own spart...
The only way to my mind to reconcile it is you say they’re washouts
But they aren’t
And Carter is too old to exist
Spartan grandad over here
With shields lmdao
terse lava
Remember that the SIII were nothing more but bodies to buy time, expendable
gentle ridge
Shaking my head man
gentle ridge
Remember that the SIII were nothing more but bodies to buy time, expendable
Yeah.
versed helm
Gee it's almost as
fair hazel
John’s top speed was 105 kilometers per hour.
gentle ridge
Lol
versed helm
they have like 5 spartans total
gentle ridge
Had budget
versed helm
and they aren't cannon fodder
gentle ridge
Mate halseys mjolnir proposals made oni wince
terse lava
The SIII are cannon fodder, that was their entire purpose
gentle ridge
John’s top speed was 105 kilometers per hour.
That’s crazy what’s that from
fair hazel
Onyx only presents the information of spartan-IIIs from both operations. Just like black team was pulled from the numbers. And doesn’t appear in fall of reach.
fair hazel
That’s crazy what’s that from
Fall of reach
gentle ridge
The SIII are cannon fodder, that was their entire purpose
What part?
versed helm
The amount of spartans is retconned every other book
versed helm
The SIII are cannon fodder, that was their entire purpose
Yes, to Ackerson and ONI
terse lava
Yea
gentle ridge
Also. Unfortunately for you all halsey has no idea Spartan threes exist in onyx
versed helm
the Army who got Noble team clearly did not use them as such lol
fair hazel
Spartan-IIs had shielding asked early as 2531. Red team from halo wars had such suits. What happened to all of that? Unknown.
gentle ridge
It makes no sense
gentle ridge
Spartan-IIs had shielding asked early as 2531. Red team from halo wars had such ...
Declared a game mechanic
versed helm
Spartan-IIs had shielding asked early as 2531. Red team from halo wars had such ...
It was a gameplay mechanic
terse lava
Her journal states she thought noble was a 2nd class of SII,
fair hazel
False.
terse lava
Oh?
gentle ridge
Her journal states she thought noble was a 2nd class of SII,
Still a problem
versed helm
Didn't she think Noble was something called project ARTHEMDIES?
gentle ridge
She thinks her Spartans are the only ones
fair hazel
The unsc has been experimenting with various forms of camouflage during the war.
gentle ridge
So basically the events of onyx can’t happen
And neither can fall of reach
So you have to just say it’s not canon
To even pretend you have consistency.
fair hazel
No…
gentle ridge
Yes.
terse lava
As for the shields in HW didn't thr developers state that was simply for gameplay balance?
fair hazel
Still a problem
How is it still a problem?
gentle ridge
She thinks her Spartans are the only ones
I already explained why
fair hazel
As for the shields in HW didn't thr developers state that was simply for gamepla...
No it is written as canon.
versed helm
No it is written as canon.
It isn't though
He got orders to protect her
because Mark IV doesn't have shields
gentle ridge
Autumn wasn’t on reach.
unique rune
As for the shields in HW didn't thr developers state that was simply for gamepla...
Originally it was just a gameplay mechanic IIRC but 343 later just went and said “prototypes dude”.
terse lava
Would you happen to have a source man? First I have heard anyone declaring it canon
gentle ridge
He got orders to protect her
And then vanished into thin air
terse lava
Ahhh, alright
fair hazel
It’s in the halo wars guide.
gentle ridge
Originally it was just a gameplay mechanic IIRC but 343 later just went and said...
Lol please show me
fair hazel
Prima guide
versed helm
Idk where Jun goes exactly but halopedia will have an answer, maybe
terse lava
Hm, will have to check my.copy then
fair hazel
Same place we got Rion forge from.
gentle ridge
He’s not in the book. I’m sorry it makes zero sense.
versed helm
I'm pretty sure they don't have shields till HW2 when they just mix GEN 2 stuff
fair hazel
You don’t seem to realize the halo wars prima guide is not halopedia…
humble yacht
Best I am finding is a citation from first strike on pg 116
What’s the citation
gentle ridge
You don’t seem to realize the halo wars prima guide is not halopedia…
Almost like I’m not talking to you lmdao
fair hazel
I'm pretty sure they don't have shields till HW2 when they just mix GEN 2 stuff
False but they do mix their Armour components then
gentle ridge
Almost like I literally quoted the person im@talking to
terse lava
Thats the problem, I am unsure as my copy of the book lacks anything on that page@humble yacht
gentle ridge
As someone who recently tried to get back into halo. It’s just such a headache. You’re trying to make things line up, make sense, and they just don’t.
versed helm
Anyway
fair hazel
Halopedia doesn’t decide canon.
You didn’t quote grunt but I didn’t see grunt’s reply
versed helm
as the qoute from Halsye's journal goes
Are they all SPARTAN-IIs?
Or, as I supect from their inelegant
personas, are they substandard versions
of the SPARTAN-II? Perhaps from a
parrallel program (JAVELIN?), or some next-
gen venture piggybacking on the last three
decades of my work.
Time permitting I'd pursue this, but all the
pieces are almost in place for Operation:
RED FLAG.
My curiosity, for once, must wait.
gentle ridge
Lol
versed helm
She thought Noble was some wannabe S2 related stuff or anything else
versed helm
She only learned about SIIIs in First Strike
and in Glasslands figures that Noble was S3s too.
fair hazel
Halopedia is a very accurate source based encyclopedia
gentle ridge
These rando Spartans show up in halo reach and she’s ok with it
versed helm
because it certainly is only full of qoutes
fair hazel
After meeting noble team. And finding ackerson’s files stuff. She puts two and two together. And decided to go to onyx as well.
gentle ridge
Not after meeting noble team
versed helm
I took it from a thread on Waypoint because this topic is deader than the Drones in games.
fair hazel
What do you mean by she’s okay with it?
fair hazel
Walking what back
gentle ridge
Bruh
versed helm
She literally says she doesn't have time to bother with it.
fair hazel
Yeah she isn’t sure until then
versed helm
Because you know, a planet invasion.
fair hazel
But she suspects stuff
unique rune
honestly I just wanna know how 052 ended up on Noble
surely NavSpecWar wouldn’t have let a Spartan-II go without a fight
gentle ridge
The hoops you need to jump through to pretend it makes sense
fair hazel
That’s literally in halo first strike after she’s in castle base…
gentle ridge
Ok
versed helm
Maybe he was too big for Navy standards
gentle ridge
So she has time to hack j to ackersons stuff
versed helm
eat too much crayons
gentle ridge
Not time to look at noble six
The Spartan she knows exists and isn’t hers
MAKES SENSE
lol
fair hazel
What’s she going to look at?
gilded mason
No it is written as canon.
And, in a few cases, we decided to go against canon to make a better game/experience (e.g. the Spartan’s shield and sound).
gentle ridge
Are they all SPARTAN-IIs?
Or, as I supect from their inelegant
personas, are the...
Maybe this bro
Maybe this
Idk maybe the other half of the conversation we are having
Lmao
fair hazel
She can’t like open waypoint and look up “noble six” and actually find results
terse lava
@gilded mason thought so
gentle ridge
Ok but she can look up Spartan threes
Lol makes sense
On the other side of human space
Okkkkkkkk
fair hazel
Prima guide states canon. Further later reinforced by. I think grim? I forgot.
gentle ridge
Prima I would agree does state canon
fair hazel
Lol makes sense
Uh… no she can’t simply do that…
gilded mason
This is from the devs' own mouths
fair hazel
Yeah well maybe that was those devs original intention back then
gentle ridge
She can make the effort to hack into ackersons files. Then move based on conjecture. But then can’t figure out where noble six is from lol. Makes sense
gilded mason
Yeah well maybe that was those devs original intention back then
Yes, that is the point.
fair hazel
Cia mined a lot of nice info from the guide
terse lava
Dumb stealth Sangheili
versed helm
Dumb Honor Guard
gilded mason
Such a dumb scene
terse lava
They weren't honor guards
versed helm
not wanting to damage the Forerunner side
gentle ridge
His hand gets held down by a mere man
He gets tackled to the ground
Just remember we are supposed to believe elites are Spartan level
Just think to what John did to odst at 14
terse lava
Ripa wanted to "toy" with his prey, look where it got him
gentle ridge
He wasn’t toying
terse lava
He was
fair hazel
Yes he was
gentle ridge
Ah yes I toy by stabbing you in the back while invisible
versed helm
insta killing him via neck snapping
gentle ridge
Gets tackled to the ground and held down
Disarmed
Through shields
Explain that one.
How does forge not bounce off
fair hazel
Shields aren’t bouncy castles…
versed helm
Because he has strong legs
gentle ridge
Read the halo books
tacit pecan
That's not how shields work
gentle ridge
Not how they work
fair hazel
Read the halo books
I have.
gentle ridge
Shields don’t repel objects
versed helm
Ripa wanted to "toy" with his prey, look where it got him
Why don't you say that to his face 
gentle ridge
What an interesting take
fair hazel
Ripa’s chatacter flaws got him killed
gentle ridge
Again. You have to basically put blinders on, and invent canon to reconcile it
terse lava
Ripa's armor lacked shields
gentle ridge
I toyed with my enemy by stabbing him in the back
terse lava
He had only active camo
versed helm
Ripa's shields lacked shields
gentle ridge
Why didn’t forge shoot him in the face then
🤣🤣
And it took multiple rounds to get through his sword
fair hazel
I don’t know if really yes or no but. John forge unloaded his M6C on ripa was fine
tacit pecan
Why don't you say that to his face <:uny:474383778782117898>
His face is the last thing you see
gentle ridge
Clearly he has shields
terse lava
He doesn't
gentle ridge
Bro
versed helm
Ah yes
gentle ridge
John has to shoot him multiple times
I merely toyed with my enemy by trying to stab him in the back while he couldn’t see me
Merely toyed
terse lava
Yeah, he's still wearing armor, that was able to stand up to the bullets
versed helm
and throwing him around
gentle ridge
Merely toyed as I recoil from physical blows
versed helm
Yes
versed helm
Elite's don't have much issue with overpowering humans in any case and he could have eaisly killed him
gentle ridge
The jackal merely toyed with the enemy as he shot them in the head
gentle ridge
Elite's don't have much issue with overpowering humans in any case and he could ...
Evidently not
terse lava
Ripa was known for his ruthlessness, not as a great fighter
versed helm
instead he just throws him around and gives lectures lol
gentle ridge
14 year old John saw odst in slow motion
terse lava
He even failed to a coup against his own kaidon
gentle ridge
Ripa dies
versed helm
Cool
terse lava
Not wrong, again, he's a criminal made arbiter
gentle ridge
He’s also like 8+ feet tall
versed helm
Didn't Regret take him out of prison because he needed a m o r o n for the Arbiter role lol?
terse lava
Yeah
versed helm
Anyway I think you all putting too much thought into all of this
gentle ridge
So now we have to mark it out like ripa is less effective than like the random elite John fights in first strike
versed helm
books, games and gameplay never were consisted in terms of lore
gentle ridge
Putting too much thought in making the universe make sense
If you have such non existent values in what canon is you may as well say ghostbusters is canon
terse lava
He is less effective time then most, just dumb muscle by Sangheili standards
versed helm
Like the OG Fall of Reach book had Elite's as a newly found enemy within the Covenant
Which clearly isn't true
versed helm
Yeah for like
gentle ridge
And ignorant writers get away with not caring
versed helm
2 seconds before everyone retconned it
gentle ridge
And you all accept it
versed helm
Yeah because I'm not holding onto a singular book for it's lore
versed helm
It's just one
gentle ridge
You mustn’t be able to read
versed helm
Literally only Fall of Reach stated the Elite's as a new species
gentle ridge
Because I’ve given many examples of issues
Unless you think elites is the only halo continuity issue
And like I said. It’s even in halo evolutions
versed helm
All your issues have been mostly explained or retconned
gentle ridge
Not one single one has
You need to change the writings of the old books
To make it make sense
I know the elites was changed in reprints
I never argued it
versed helm
Many things were changed in reprints of many books
fair hazel
I don’t even know if I should bother… the lack of comprehension… and critical thinking skills…
gentle ridge
I don’t even know if I should bother… the lack of comprehension… and critical th...
Lack of critical thinking
terse lava
Thats what a retcon is
terse lava
New info overrides the old stuff
gentle ridge
Just blindly unthinkingly blundering through the universe
Why even post in the lore channel
versed helm
Honestly the Halo Expanded Universe wasn't even that important till 343 decided to make it so around 2011 I believe
gentle ridge
When nothing makes sense
versed helm
Prior to that it was just random stories to fill in the gaps for those who care
gentle ridge
Honestly the Halo Expanded Universe wasn't even that important till 343 decided ...
I don’t pretend to know
But you have a responsibility to represent a cohesive universe
Otherwise don’t bother
See the “canon” I love bees lmao
gentle ridge
Except
versed helm
like every good universe does?
versed helm
They do
versed helm
What issues does FoR has that had not been retconned to this day via one thing or another?
versed helm
Yeah I'm too lazy to read thourgh all that BS
versed helm
I remember you mentioned the Autumn being on REach
terse lava
Not wrong in that regard, while the re-prints changed when Sangheili were first found, other problems from the original one still remained. Its unfortunately not perfect
gentle ridge
Not wrong in that regard, while the re-prints changed when Sangheili were first ...
It’s not only just not perfect but it’s broken
You can’t have the game and the book
One or the other.
versed helm
it was retconned that the vessel was sent down to pick up the Cortana fragment from Six
terse lava
That was my implication, yes
gentle ridge
it was retconned that the vessel was sent down to pick up the Cortana fragment f...
Ok so the book isn’t canon
Simple
terse lava
As for the game, meh, never cared for Reach's story or Noble team
gentle ridge
As for the game, meh, never cared for Reach's story or Noble team
I think my bias is known. I just want it spelled out in ink. Just say it’s not canon, you know?
Makes it easier
versed helm
The Halcyon light cruiser is still like 9 million tons though
gentle ridge
Not in fall
It’s barely over 10,000
Which, as much as I love nylund and think he’s head shoulders knees and toes the best halo world builder, makes no sense
versed helm
that's such a very star wars thing to moan about
gentle ridge
Nice ad hom
versed helm
Then again SW is pretty s t u p i d about ship stuff anyway
terse lava
You can thank Bungie themselves for that, as they ignored the book
gentle ridge
You can thank Bungie themselves for that, as they ignored the book
The rest of the book is good
And it’s hardly the reason
The reason is they don’t care
versed helm
Yes
terse lava
Yeah, they didn't like stuff added to their "baby"
gentle ridge
My friend tells me bungie didn’t want a universe but Microsoft forced them. No idea if it’s true
terse lava
They hated halo wars
gilded mason
Yeah, it's true
gentle ridge
Lol well I don’t blame them
gentle ridge
Even if I love halo wars
versed helm
You mean Halo Wars 1?
gentle ridge
Yes but here you all are, picking up the pieces and trying to make a universe make sense where it’s creators don’t care if it does
terse lava
Yes, HW1
gentle ridge
It’s why I will never read a Star Trek book
gilded mason
Ensemble.
gentle ridge
It was the dudes who made age of empires
versed helm
Yeah
terse lava
Ensemble Studios, and later Robot
versed helm
It’s why I will never read a Star Trek book
Oh I don't think those are even canon within their own book verse
versed helm
That's also a very Star Wars fan thing to say lmao
Stuff doesn't have to be canon to be good and fun within a universe lol
terse lava
Don't forget the fan favorite, "forerunner=human" something again, bungie couldn't settle on
gentle ridge
Ok these ad homs are really cute. You aren’t saying anything though
Nothing intelligent
gentle ridge
Don't forget the fan favorite, "forerunner=human" something again, bungie couldn...
Yeah
versed helm
I'm saying that you one of those people that only cares about canon instead of the story value.
gentle ridge
You can’t have a story if there’s no canon
versed helm
I can
gentle ridge
Otherwise the prequel to halo is Jurassic park
unique rune
I mean
you totally can
gentle ridge
No you can’t
versed helm
Literally soo many things did that lamo
gentle ridge
If there’s no continuity there’s no story
versed helm
Star Wars did that
DC and Marvel do that
gentle ridge
Don't forget the fan favorite, "forerunner=human" something again, bungie couldn...
Actually excited for reading forerunner trilogy. Even if I hate the retcon
gentle ridge
Star Wars did that
DC and Marvel do that
The films are in continuity
terse lava
I read it long ago, it was good
gentle ridge
You seem really obsessed with Star Wars when no ones talking about it
versed helm
I'm not talking about the films
more like a loooooooooot of non-canon stuff that was made
terse lava
Star wars is just a classic example, as more people would be familiar with it over star trek
gentle ridge
Ok no one cares
The eu is canon to itself
At least tried to be
And the issues make the universe worse
Like halo
versed helm
🤔
terse lava
Star wars was rather loose with their Canon back in the day.
gentle ridge
Very thoughtful post
gentle ridge
Star wars was rather loose with their Canon back in the day.
It at least tried
To mixed degrees
It’s why tcw sucks like halo reach sucks
Doesn’t even try
versed helm
Star wars was rather loose with their Canon back in the day.
Eh they had a few different tiers
unique rune
I just try to think of canon as a flexible historical record instead of a perfect unchanging rigid structure
If I cared that much about the latter I'd have given up on Gundam or Macross years ago
Real world history is subject to flexing and bending and stretching and pulling depending on varying interpretations and new information
versed helm
Most of the issues came from old Marvel stuff that was written in the 80s
terse lava
Kinda, famous example i recall, was Luke and co finding storm trooper helmets thousands of years old. Plot later is time travel stuff sent a squad chasing them back in time
versed helm
and TCW because Filoni stole arcs from the EU and made them worse
gentle ridge
Even if you lie
gentle ridge
and TCW because Filoni stole arcs from the EU and made them worse
It was worse than that
And it’s the same in reach
terse lava
@versed helm true, there were the tiers to it
gentle ridge
Let’s just not care about canon and do what we want
What would you all say if chief was a girl in halo infinite
gentle ridge
I guess you’d all accept it
versed helm
was made so that Filoni and Lucas can just retcon stuff
gentle ridge
Because 343 says jump and my observation is the average halo fan says how high
Frankly
versed helm
What would you all say if chief was a girl in halo infinite
Yes, retconning the gender of the main character out of nowhere is the same as retconning numbers for stuff lol
gentle ridge
Nice straw man
versed helm
That's your argument though
gentle ridge
Very unimpressive display
Not like the whole battle of reach is retconned
You’re slavering at me like
Heh
versed helm
They changed the dates, stuff from the book still happens as it happened
versed helm
for the most part
gentle ridge
Changed the dates
terse lava
I find it interesting, you said earlier that "we are responsible for the lore," saying you were trying to pick up the pieces as well, and yet some of your speech here makes you sound like you are somehow belittling us
gentle ridge
Changed the time frame
gentle ridge
I find it interesting, you said earlier that "we are responsible for the lore," ...
I’m belittling someone who’s being frequently dishonest
I even said I’m really no different than you all
I’m here right now
Trying to make it work
terse lava
But you've used plural terms multiple.times
gentle ridge
The difference is im@not afraid to say it doesn’t make sense
versed helm
It sounds like quite the contrary
gentle ridge
But you've used plural terms multiple.times
Because there’s more than one of them
versed helm
Yeah because you just want them to not make sense don't you?
terse lava
Not bothered bybit, just an odd curiosity I took notice of
gentle ridge
Lol
versed helm
So you can get angry about it
versed helm
a casual guy will just say that Jun hid in one of the many UNSC bunkers and get on with it
gentle ridge
Mate you’re just the definition of consume product
I got called lacking in critical thinking
It’s so funny to me
versed helm
Because your thinking isn't critical mate
it's just whining about minor, very minor things
gentle ridge
A casual guy will invent canon for bungie because they’re too lazy
Yeah mate you’re really doing well
Lol
versed helm
that can easily be explained lol
gentle ridge
Stunning performance
terse lava
To be frank, a casual guy wouldn't care about lore
gentle ridge
Just hide in a bunker
On a planet that’s glass
Critical thinking champion over here
versed helm
Yeah they did that in SoR
gentle ridge
Reach just has bunkers everywhere I guess
versed helm
where do you think the Viery milita got Havoc nukes from?
Yeah because it was the second biggest place for humanity
making literally every sort of war equipment?
gentle ridge
Critical thinkers be like. I will literally close my eyes and pretend the issues don’t exist
terse lava
They did do that, the idea of the Covenant fully.glasding thr crust of a planet was retconned long ago
gentle ridge
😂😂😂
Reach has bunkers = reach has infinite bunkers lying around
And Jun even though he had a bunker was like
No halsey
I won’t stay here
Because
versed helm
They did do that, the idea of the Covenant fully.glasding thr crust of a planet ...
Honestly glassing a planet so that literally nothing underground exists anymore would take a lot of time
gentle ridge
Uhhhhhh
versed helm
Then go
gentle ridge
Uhhhh
I GOTTA GO HALSEY SEE YA
Critical thinking champ known as petrus
Unstoppable
versed helm
Reach has bunkers = reach has infinite bunkers lying around
I'm pretty sure we have irl military instalations that are still lost to this day
versed helm
so saying that a number of bunkers with stuff survived on Reach isn't a stretch by any means
Yes
gentle ridge
You’re just making it up
gentle ridge
Slippery snake at play
versed helm
most well known for killing members of the Solo family
terse lava
Rather hyperbole, but anyway the older lore had them burning away the surface. Anything underground might survive sure, but would have been trapped
gentle ridge
The critical thinking genius is like
Let’s invent one
Instead of having Jun stay with halsey
Makes perfect sense
unique rune
I mean. I'm pretty sure there's spots where you're just supposed to fill in the blanks as a viewer/consumer/whatever.
"wow gee they never explain who polishes the wheel rims on the Batmobile, continuity ruined"
fair hazel
@gentle ridge don’t be antagonizing to other members.
versed helm
I mean. I'm pretty sure there's spots where you're just supposed to fill in the ...
Yeah that's like
literally it
gentle ridge
I mean. I'm pretty sure there's spots where you're just supposed to fill in the ...
Wheel rims and jun vanishing are the same thing right enough
So basically
Don’t think
Just consume
versed helm
Well Jun isn't a key character
unique rune
Jun goes to CASTLE Base with Halsey and finds some way to get off Reach.
It's not really that much of a stretch.
versed helm
History changes
I mean yeah
gentle ridge
Lmfao
gentle ridge
Conpcet
versed helm
like when the sovier archives opened up in the 90s
versed helm
and people learned that most of the stuff surviving third reich personell wrote was just straight BS
terse lava
Eh another popular retcon, that black armored Sangheili chief fights in Frst Strike was met to be Thel originally. But that didn't stay canon either
gentle ridge
What planet is this dude on
Anyway
You don’t like canon
It’s ok ✅
Said all I have to say really
versed helm
I'm giving you a simple explanation on why modern history too is always changing as more sources show up.
It's not quite the same as retcons, but history isn't a thing set in stone at all lol. That's just bluntly untrue.
versed helm
Eh another popular retcon, that black armored Sangheili chief fights in Frst Str...
Isn't there also some special Elite in The Flood?
gentle ridge
The events of halo ce happened as they did
terse lava
History can be re-written of course, as new facts come up
humble yacht
The events of halo ce happened as they did
Not really because now Fireteam raven exists
terse lava
@versed helm a spec ops officer named Zuka 'Zamamee, he was hunting down thr chief, and is the reason a few events in thr game happen
versed helm
Isn't he also in CEA?
terse lava
Yes
humble yacht
What was he some random spec ops elite in Keyes or The Maw?
terse lava
He is met to be the Sangheili you fight after fleeing the engine room in The Maw
humble yacht
So elevator elite
terse lava
Yep, they made that guy Zuka
humble yacht
The one I always rocket instantly
gentle ridge
Wait, in halo ce? That’s not him
humble yacht
What an unceremonious end
terse lava
Yes, earlier
terse lava
Yeah
terse lava
Not the worst, but not the best
But yes, the one you encounter at the elevator is met to be Zuka
gentle ridge
Flood has simultaneously one nicest and most cowardly elites
That rando chancellor is like such a decent guy
So nice for no reason
terse lava
Councilor?
gentle ridge
Whatever
He’s cool
And dies for cringe reasons
When coward elite shows up he’s like hey bro how are you I hope you’re well
terse lava
That one who was beheaded by the Minister for failing to contain the flood?
gentle ridge
Yes. And I don’t think it was that reason
And also, that dude was the prophet’s translator. Or was that another dude
terse lava
It was, the Minister claimed Soha had promised to keep the flood contained, and failed that task that ks to the humans
That was another guy, a minor
Bako was his name
terse lava
He never was no, just an assistant to the Minister
gentle ridge
So he died for no reason
versed helm
The Forerunners could put some clealer signs on the contaiment stuff
terse lava
The one executed was named Soha
versed helm
The security can't be that good if human's can just randomly storm in lol
gentle ridge
Pretty sure that they were stopped from effective flood countermeasures too
Not allowed to bombard
terse lava
More so the covenant didn't know the flood was on the ring. They thought the parasite had been purged from the universe when the forerunners went on their great journey
gentle ridge
Yeah but they knew at some point
versed helm
More so the covenant didn't know the flood was on the ring. They thought the par...
Didn't they meet the Flood earlier though?
gentle ridge
And weren’t allowed to damage the ring
fair hazel
@versed helm also let’s pick historical examples a bit more suited for the server. Just a friendly nudge.
humble yacht
Didn't they meet the Flood earlier though?
Don’t think so
gentle ridge
That conversation is over
versed helm
<@456226577798135808> also let’s pick historical examples a bit more suited for ...
It was the best I could come up with.
gentle ridge
And he was wrong anyway
humble yacht
Alpha halo was the first halo the covenant found since they formed
versed helm
Don’t think so
So where did The Shipmaster smell that stentch before?
terse lava
@versed helm yes, that was shown to them eventually, but they still didn't expect it on the most holy forerunner relic ever
humble yacht
So where did The Shipmaster smell that stentch before?
During the alpha halo conflict
gentle ridge
So where did The Shipmaster smell that stentch before?
Wasn’t he on halo 1
fair hazel
Late reminder. Anyways let’s carry on.
humble yacht
Also remember to disable pings when replying
versed helm
I thought he wasn't
fair hazel
During the alpha halo conflict
Particularly when he boarded the ship
humble yacht
He was on a ship fighting flood near alpha halo
terse lava
Mhm, he never went to the surface
humble yacht
It’s how he lost his mandibles
versed helm
Oh
fair hazel
The infinite succor
gentle ridge
Headache after headache
humble yacht
Well
terse lava
That one is not a headache at all
humble yacht
I don’t think the covenant in wars ever saw the flood there
gentle ridge
Cole protocol says that an elite losing blood is like one of the most dishonourable things
Elite medics have no honour
terse lava
It shows other stuff happening around the ring besides focusing on the human in green armor
gentle ridge
Oh but not half jaw
versed helm
Yeah that was even a thing in 5
gentle ridge
That’s ok
terse lava
@gentle ridge Sangheili are not a mono-culture. Various families, keeps, planet's, will hold different views
versed helm
Where Mdamas forces use some guns that cause a specific kind of damage, so that Arbiter's forces try to get themselfes killed in combat instead of getting healed
gentle ridge
<@533364309342814219> Sangheili are not a mono-culture. Various families, keeps,...
Except that’s not the excuse given
It’s spoken like a mono culture
fair hazel
The temple wraith description:
"In the distant past, Zealots alone had the terrible responsibility of destroying parasite-tainted Forerunner gifts that ran amok after activation. Masterwork Wraith with hardened armor, improving handling, and a faster rate-of-fire for the plasma mortar."
gentle ridge
And keep in mind it’s the arbiter who does it
terse lava
@gentle ridge the excuse given is from the view of the Vadam family
Rtas is not from that bloodline
gentle ridge
Arbiter makes no comment
And
Again
It’s stated in book like it’s not a clan thing
It’s species wide
humble yacht
"In the distant past, Zealots alone had the terrible responsibility of destroyin...
Why would the forerunners be storing flood outside of halo installations, smh
terse lava
It certainly is not
gentle ridge
It is in the book
terse lava
From the view of the Vadam family
gentle ridge
Nope
terse lava
A single bloodline
gentle ridge
It isn’t
terse lava
Ok, show me the exact quote
gentle ridge
And I cited my source
terse lava
Burden of proof is yours
versed helm
Why would the forerunners be storing flood outside of halo installations, smh
It's just big brain energy
gaunt oakBOT
versed helm
They should have just let the Engineer's in charge