lore-and-universe

[gilded mason]

Probably not much, since it was barely glassed.

Just a small area of Voi

[versed helm]

Hood said half a continent

I think he didn't know what he saw

[gilded mason]

He was just exaggerating for effect, I imagine. To get his point across.

[versed helm]

Honestly pretty funny

[deft musk]

So does anyone know anything more about the Insurrectionists

[craggy sierra]

Like what?

[carmine sleet]

There's allot to the Insurrectionists so being specific would be helpful

[bronze schooner]

There’s the ones that Johnson and his team beat the hell out of in a tire shop

The ones that said they were gonna shoot a nuke at master Chief

Tons of different groups

Basically for all innie groups, they didn’t agree with the UEG and wanted to split away and secede from them

Some were more extreme

Some just wanted their planet free from the UEG while others wanted many planets

[craggy sierra]

Apparently UNSC does not approve of farmer independence so they kidnapped kida into super soldier program to hunt down a civillian militia.

[bronze schooner]

Yes

[craggy sierra]

Because that's the type of level headed response that totally does not give ample justification for wanting nothing to do with the UNSC

[bronze schooner]

Doctor makes killing machines murder civilians who have opinions

[craggy sierra]

Something something literally 1984

[deft musk]

The new colonial alliance to be specific

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[deft musk]

Yeah sorry about that

[glad parcel]

Are Hunters used for food by the covenant sometimes?

Like the worms they have

[carmine sleet]

Not according to anything we've seen so far

[glad parcel]

Then how do they get food

I also read that the elites use Wheat?

[gilded mason]

The same way humans get food?

They grow it and hunt it

[glad parcel]

That doesn't explain the terrifying motives a jackal has

[gilded mason]

Some jackals are vicious, correct.

[glad parcel]

Aren't they literal animals which can rip apart humans like nothing

Yeah

Okay

That's all

[carmine sleet]

Jackals are sentient like humans, that doesn't mean they can't rip a human apart but they're not savage beasts with no intelligent thought

Plenty of Jackals are pirates, for example

[gilded mason]

And another subsection make an honest living

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

Like Elites, they've got a society that is more complex than what we see in the games

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

Are there any jackals with the swords of sanghelios?

[versed helm]

I think the Innies themselves aren't all connected. Like, there are multiple factions all vying for the same goal but distance, modus operandi etc keep them apart

[inland jackal]

No, but probably used as food in some back alley corner store

[inland jackal]

I have a question, is there any Sangheili superstitions? Like how some people consider the number 13 as a bad number, things like those

[tacit charm]

injury even if not that significantly life threatening = so you have chosen death

[inland jackal]

Yeah I know that one

[bronze schooner]

How the hell do Sangheili say certain words without having a tongue or full jaw

Do they have a tongue in their throat or something?

[gentle ridge]

Finished broken circle

Wasn’t a bad book at all

Not nearly the best, or my favourite imo

I will say the author has the best knowledge of English of the ones I have read

Enjoyed it a lot

Apparently the next book I have to read is new blood

Yuck

Not looking forward to it

Hate Spartan fours

Is this the book that murders a certain character

Oh it is. I hate what I’ve heard of this book.

[carmine sleet]

Why do you hate the Spartan IVs?

[humble yacht]

I can guess why

[carmine sleet]

My guess is it's no doubt something like "Palmer made a joke about Chief's height" or "They're not as serious the other Spartans"

[gentle ridge]

What a stupid guess

I am just not a big fan of all of a sudden humanity is able to make Spartans far easier than ever before

[inland jackal]

Nah they aren't real spartans because they aren't brainwashed by ONI

[gentle ridge]

I think it’s hilarious that Parangovsky one upped both halsey and Ackerson

But I truly despise Spartan fours

For much the same reason I hate the unsc infinity

Humanity got devastated by the war and now they’re more powerful than ever

[inland jackal]

Yeah, kinda odd

[gentle ridge]

Spartan threes and twos took years to make

How long is a Spartan 4? A fraction of the time right

[carmine sleet]

The IVs are all consenting adults, meaning that they didn't need to spend the time training them for years before augmenting them

[gentle ridge]

I also think it’s dumb to have Jun be their leader. Pretty sure ambrose was picked for specific traits he had. Jun merely survived in a unit he could not have been part of to begin with (lol)

[gentle ridge]

And that’s bad

3-D printing Spartans is silly and makes humanity too powerful

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me and child soldiers ain't exactly something you want to defend

They didn't 3D print any Spartans

[gentle ridge]

to defend

As if I am

I will if you want

Because that’s a silly straw man

[carmine sleet]

You said it was bad they were consenting adults, my that fact, you seem to be for child soldiers

[gentle ridge]

Do you know roughly how long it takes to make a Spartan 4?

[gentle ridge]

Genuinely a thoughtless post

[carmine sleet]

Again, didn't need to tag me

[gentle ridge]

You think I’m in favour of child soldiers

[gentle ridge]

Don’t need to do what?

Anyway

No. Spartan 2s are expensive and take years to make

[carmine sleet]

I've told you twice now to not tag me, please stop

[gentle ridge]

Stop what?

[tacit charm]

bruh

[gentle ridge]

The fact you need children is a limiter on how to get them

And we can go even further than this

2s and 3s can only be select members of the population

3s less so

With a Spartan 4 you can just make, as far as I can tell, any adult a Spartan 4

So in effect you’re just 3-D printing them

[carmine sleet]

So they're not allowed to advance their technology and procedures to actually be more ethical in how they make super soldiers?

[gentle ridge]

Lol

It’s just one straw man after another isn’t it with you

I just said 3s are actually less dangerous

[carmine sleet]

Also like, not any adult is brought into the S-IV program, they select members of the UNSC that have proven themselves to be good enough to become part of the program, they don't just go to anybody

[gentle ridge]

Do you not see the leap from 2s-3s being costly, difficult, and then 4s being adult members of the population.

“That are good enough”

So it’s less genetics and just skill

[tacit charm]

i mean

[gentle ridge]

When was the first Spartan 4 made

I know the project was in the works before the war ended

[tacit charm]

the leap from spartan 2 to 3 was huge once there was only like a few dozen spartans then there was hundreds to be sent into the meat grinder

[unique rune]

S-IIIs would’ve been just as effective as the S-IIs if MJOLNIR wasn’t so abhorrently expensive. That was the main cost barrier for S-III because the augmentations were said to be cheaper and less prone to killing the subjects but just as effective

[gentle ridge]

Fraction of the cost

Stated in onyx

No mjolnir like that dude said

[tacit charm]

ye they were still effective

[gentle ridge]

No one said they weren’t

Point is, 2s were far more expensive

So that’s why they could only afford half a class

[carmine sleet]

Being more expensive does not mean it's better;

[gentle ridge]

😑😑😑

Thanks bro

Never said it was

And keep in mind too, 300 Spartan 3s in a class, no mjolnir

Spartan 4s, 150 in a class, all mjolnir

After humanity was devastated. Makes sense

[carmine sleet]

Where did you get that number from for the IVs?

[gentle ridge]

The wiki

[carmine sleet]

Which wiki?

[gentle ridge]

I have no idea if it’s accurate

The halo wiki

[carmine sleet]

Again, which wiki? There's more than one

[tacit charm]

was it halopedia or halo alpha

[gentle ridge]

Halopedia

[craggy sierra]

coughs in Spartan 3s

[gentle ridge]

Literally not true but ok

Still had stringent parameters to follow. Mjolnir was part of the cost of the project

[carmine sleet]

There is nothing on Halopedia about there being only 150 per class of S-IV so clearly you didn't get that info from that site

[gentle ridge]

https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-IV_program

Size:

300-500+ [3]

First class: 145
Second class: 145+

What does that say

Like i said, no idea if it’s accurate or not

[unique rune]

Grab some orphan kids, screen them for genetic compatibility, train them, pump ‘em full of drugs. The fact that they managed to spit out nearly 1000 Spartan-IIIs while also fighting a losing war sure doesn’t seem like it was a challenge to produce them.

[carmine sleet]

You said 150 and it clearly states more than 145 for the second class so we don't actually know the number. Especially since there is clearly more than just 300ish S-IVs

[craggy sierra]

They were able to literally replicate the Spartan 2 augmentations across a much larger candidate pool with a 0% fatality rate literally less than 2 decades after the highly lethal spartan 2 augments

[gentle ridge]

Oh no, 145, such a big disparity between that and 150

[craggy sierra]

Seems natural that after another 20+ years they could break away from having to use kids

[gentle ridge]

Not really

Bruh the bot sucks

And more of the funding was into Spartans with them in things like Mjolnir

Whereas IVs have both

And are going to be genetically further away from what’s optimal compatibility

Because the ideal candidates are either dead or became 2s and 3s

[craggy sierra]

Yes but if you'll recall, after the war, we were now allies with the aliens who literally mass produced power armor for their entire millitary. We probably managed to drop the price on that a bit.

[gentle ridge]

I have no problem with 4s being an eventuality

[carmine sleet]

So you think they shouldn't be able to augment consenting adults despite the fact there was clearly advancements from previous Spartan programs showing they were able to augment a wider pool of people and instead should've just kept it being kids being made into super soldiers?

[gentle ridge]

So you think

So you’re saying

[carmine sleet]

The eventuality arrived sooner because they have managed to get the necessary advancements

[gentle ridge]

I love how obsessed you are with thinking I am ok with child soldiers

Ok, so we can just use the term technological advancement to sweep the leap under the rug

[unique rune]

…Aren’t Spartan-IV augmentations fine-tuned specifically to be tailored to the individual?
Kinda reduces the need for specific genetic markers and screening.

[carmine sleet]

You literally said it was bad they made consenting adults into super soldiers and defended them using kids

[gentle ridge]

I suppose if they turned every human into a Spartan four that’s ok

defended

You are obsessed and it’s hilarious

[craggy sierra]

Besides it's not even like Spartan 4's are that prevelant. It's a few hundred strong and they mostly exist to free up a lot of the writing constraints Halo has with its cast.

[gentle ridge]

The point was that a 2 takes a lifetime to make

A 4 is how long? You still haven’t told me

[carmine sleet]

So now you're choosing to specifically ignore actual advancements that exist in lore

[gentle ridge]

Tell me again how I like child soldiers

“Actual advancements that exist in lore”

The point is it’s bad lore

[carmine sleet]

How long it takes doesn't matter if you constantly ignore the fact that they actually advanced technology and the procedures

[gentle ridge]

If 343 made everyone a Spartan that would “exist in lore”

Would you be ok with it lmao

Do you just unthinkingly accept whatever is placed in front of you

[tacit charm]

tbf the unsc did goof up with the first variation of a spartan 4

[gentle ridge]

Yes it does

[carmine sleet]

Again, please stop tagging me

[gentle ridge]

Ok so Spartan 5s take five seconds to make

[gentle ridge]

Ok

Would you be ok if a Spartan 5 took five seconds to make

As long as it’s an “advancement”

[craggy sierra]

Again they managed to replicate the Spartan 2 augs with 0% fatality in a little over a decade from the original spartan program

[gentle ridge]

Still took decades to make a Spartan

I literally never said I wasn’t ok with things being improved

[craggy sierra]

Also what are you getting on with how long it takes to make? After their augments where they literally had most of their skeletons replaced, chief was up and judo slamming marines in like a month

[gentle ridge]

Decades, for cheaper Spartans

took decades to prepare

Literally took years

[craggy sierra]

Okay spartan 4's took decades to prepare too

[gentle ridge]

Lol no they don’t

I think it’s silly to have Spartan 4s that can just be anyone

[unique rune]

It took years because they started with literal six year olds who don’t have an inkling of what warfare is.

[gentle ridge]

They chose them for a reason at six

[craggy sierra]

Except they weren't prepared in a training camp. They were prepared in literal live fire tours of duty in the millitary where they survived the war and earned commendations on their service records to make them worthy enough for the role of a Spartan

[gentle ridge]

And you are smart enough to know that I hope

[carmine sleet]

In many ways, what was learnt from the S-II and S-III programs helped with the creation of the S-IV program, almost as if they actually used that knowledge to actually make things better for later generations

[gentle ridge]

Ah so every marine is a Spartan in training. Cool

Interesting

[carmine sleet]

Not what I said at all

[gentle ridge]

Wasn’t talking to you

[craggy sierra]

I mean they can be if they perform well enough

[gentle ridge]

Now I am

Ok so Spartan 5s could take three seconds to make and you would all accept it

[carmine sleet]

Ok that's at least six times you've tagged me after I told you to stop

[gentle ridge]

To stop what?

[craggy sierra]

What are you even talking about

[gentle ridge]

Yes or no. In twenty years the Spartan five takes five seconds to make. Is that ok?

[unique rune]

What are we even defining as “to make”

[gentle ridge]

To augment. To produce

Plus they get mjolnir 10

[craggy sierra]

They would not make a Spartan 5 out of a soldier who has no service record of note

[gentle ridge]

They can program the neural chip

Anyone can be a Spartan

Is that ok yes or no

[unique rune]

It’s not like S-IV training and augmentation is an instananeous progress. War veterans don’t just grow out of the ground like weeds

[gentle ridge]

Yes or no

[carmine sleet]

A neural implant can't enhance someone's strength, that's not how it works

[gentle ridge]

Literally not what I said

Yes or no

As long as it’s in the lore it’s ok right?

[craggy sierra]

The types of people who got Spartan 4 offers were people like Buck and Alpha Nine who had several successful tours of duty, single handedly captured intel from a covenant occupied city, and managed civvilian evac programs from a city literally getting glassed on Reach. All that without even being a Spartan

[gentle ridge]

Yes or no

Simple question

[craggy sierra]

No because what you're talking about is not a thing that has happened in lore or will happen in lore

[gentle ridge]

Yes

Or no

Thank you

[carmine sleet]

You got your answer already

[craggy sierra]

I just answered

[gentle ridge]

To everyone else

So it’s ok when 4s are just good soldiers

Ok

You asked me why I hated them

I told you

They’re still stupid

Not that I expect 343 to care about continuity

Look at the infinity

[craggy sierra]

Good soldiers who've literally served in the millitary for years if not decades

[unique rune]

So by that token was the original ORION Project stupid too?

[carmine sleet]

343i have shown way more care for continuity than Bungie have

[gentle ridge]

Johnson is barely superhuman but nice try

[carmine sleet]

Not all super soldiers are obvious in how strong they are compared to other humans

[craggy sierra]

The entirety of ODST was basically a bunch of normal dudes pulling off a mission you'd normally only expect a Spartan squad to be able to pull off.

[gentle ridge]

That’ll be why byrne almost killed johnson

Because Johnson is superhuman

Lmdao

Totally comparable to Spartan 2s

And 4s

[fresh sandal]

this convo is hurting my brain what is even going on

[gentle ridge]

Don’t read it then

[tacit charm]

why spartan 4s suck

[gentle ridge]

Convo has run it’s course

Tbh

Said my bit

[fresh sandal]

it’s entertaining so ill continue to read

[gentle ridge]

Ok

[tacit charm]

same

[gentle ridge]

Detest the halo 4 and beyond era

[unique rune]

I mean I only asked because ORION was also a supersoldier project but anyway

[gentle ridge]

But that’s for another day

[modest basalt]

I feel like you guys are fighting right now but I wanted to ask if anyone knew if the ring that halo infinite is on is Installation 04 or not, or if the flood have been doing anything in the books

I don’t know if you guys read the books or not I’m not sure. but hello. I just got here.

[craggy sierra]

Halo 4's got a great story

[tacit charm]

its zeta

[gentle ridge]

It sucks

[modest basalt]

aww, bummer

[gentle ridge]

Ok but it’s not the same as a Spartan 2

Or 3 or 4

[tacit charm]

halo 4 was good but the didact oh boy that man dragged alot of things down

[gentle ridge]

Took like 200 years to get to work lol

[modest basalt]

thanks for answering though man, I kept hearing it was 04 and got overexcited

[gentle ridge]

I hate the forerunner retcon

[carmine sleet]

I was asking for why you didn't like S-IVs and you complained about the fact that the universe isn't stagnant in terms of progress despite the fact that the universe has already shown that things have progressed and improved

[gentle ridge]

Oh no you tagged me

Gonna cry now

[carmine sleet]

That's a reply, not a tag

[gentle ridge]

isn’t stagnant

[craggy sierra]

I mean so did truth in Halo 3 Halo's gotten good villain writing right exactly 1 and a half times.

[gentle ridge]

Again

Not what I said

And says a lot about you

And your intentions

[carmine sleet]

What?

[tacit charm]

true

[gentle ridge]

That you repeatedly misrepresent me

Say I want child soldiers one more time

I’m going to say I do just because you’re saying it

[humble yacht]

@gentle ridge FYI what slip is talking about is when you reply, you ping unless you turn the @ to off

[gaunt oak]

To disable the ping/tag when replying, please click or tap the "on" button at the right hand side of the chat box in order to turn it off.
For users on PC, if you hold Shift while clicking reply the tag will be automatically turned off.

[gentle ridge]

Ok

Conversation ran its course.

[tacit charm]

forgot the halo 2 truth was manipulative and everything was as he foreseen and stuff while h3 truth was muhhahah i will destroy you :/

[gentle ridge]

Halo was my fave franchise and I loved the books. I just don’t like the post 3 direction generally, that’s all

I even have issues with 3

Having read fall of reach and such

Byrnes gonna get a warning for swearing in contact harvest

Johnson would be banned here

[carmine sleet]

The ratings of the games and language in the novels has no baring on the rules here

[craggy sierra]

Johnson literally never swore

[modest basalt]

I liked most of it in general, but I feel like Cortana was sort of.. handled better in 4 than in the other ones? she was less of a damsel in distress to me. wasn’t waiting to be saved or constantly stressed out and forcing quips. felt more like a person.

[gentle ridge]

Ok I don’t care

[humble yacht]

He swore a couple times, nothing major

[gentle ridge]

Halo 2 lol

[modest basalt]

I like the idea of Cortana being rampant too, but I’m not sure how it’s supposed to work with two of her, now.

[fresh sandal]

that was just mild language

[craggy sierra]

He usually even cuts himself of and self-censors.
"That's it you mothers, run!"

[humble yacht]

The Weapon is not Cortana

[craggy sierra]

He's the implication of swearing

[modest basalt]

oh, that’s good to know!

I thought she was just a fresh slate version

[humble yacht]

No

[modest basalt]

it’ll be interesting to see the dynamic with her and Chief then

[carmine sleet]

I'm excited to learn more about The Weapon. Definitely hope she gets an actual name so we're not just calling her that all the time though

[modest basalt]

“hello THE WEAPON”

[fresh sandal]

i was just about to say the same thing

The Weapon is a cool placeholder/codename but learning her actual name would be nice

[modest basalt]

wonder what it would be

[humble yacht]

She probably doesn’t have an actual name

A) to not humanize her, and b) because she was designed to be temporary

[unique rune]

Gonna just refer to her as CTN 0453-0 from now on

[modest basalt]

that’s fair

[humble yacht]

The UNSC outlawed smart AI after the created, the Weapon was made under special exception

[fresh sandal]

fair point but it would be nice if she does

i know smart AIs can choose their appearance but i can’t remember if they can choose their own name or not

[humble yacht]

Probably

Halopedia says Cortana chose her own name

[fresh sandal]

wonder if that’ll be the case for The Weapon
but only one way to find out i guess

either way, very excited to see what role she plays in the whole story

[slim spire]

I'd like her name to be a corruption of Joyeyse to be a part of the same reference Cortana herself is

[tacit charm]

[fresh sandal]

:0 i can’t bring myself to do that

the temptation is there but no i can’t

[humble yacht]

It’s entirely possible that the Weapon was designed to be capable of less free thought compared to a standard smart AI

To prevent possibility of her going rogue too

[fresh sandal]

considering that she was supposed to be deleted after her mission finished, i wouldn’t doubt it

[warm acorn]

Is there a history where old firearms become obsolete and it was replaced by standard UNSC guns?

[humble yacht]

What

[fresh sandal]

not sure but there is a guy in Shadows of Reach who had a Desert Eagle which was interesting

[warm acorn]

I mean this IRL current firearms like Beretta Pistols, M4 Assault Rifles and many more iconic guns

they're all gone in Halo universe

[humble yacht]

Yes in the fictional halo universe most of those guns have been replaced by UNSC guns

[warm acorn]

it was replaced by UNSC firearms

[humble yacht]

They aren’t gone just phased out

Do you see people today using flintlock pistols?

[fresh sandal]

probably put in museums or something

[humble yacht]

No, except in collections or in special cases

[fresh sandal]

unless you’re the guy who brought a Deagle to Reach :3

[humble yacht]

Old guns can still kill

[fresh sandal]

and he was very determined to test that out

i wonder how old guns would fare against shielded armor

[humble yacht]

Probably not too well

Just like how flintlock guns probably wouldn’t pierce modern day ballistic vests

[fresh sandal]

one of my favorite things about Fred-104 was when he told Veta Lopis that her pistol wouldn’t even scratch his armor

“i’m wearing 3 layers of armor” vs. dollar store pistol

[bronze schooner]

I hope we see Sergeant Major Duvall in Halo Infinite and get to know he survived and evacuated Reach

[carmine sleet]

Why specifically him? He's such a minor character that it'd be odd to bring him back in Infinite

[inland jackal]

For the people that know

[mint flume]

I just wanted to pose this. I just started reading the books and finished First Strike (mindblowing). Do you think 343 would ever bring James-005 back? He drifted into space when John-117, Linda-058, and himself were engaged in orbital combat above a covenant cruiser. His file still reads MIA...

[unique rune]

I doubt it. The possibility is certainly there, since he did genuinely go MIA, but I feel like the circumstances for his survival would end up being a little too contrived and/or convenient.

[wispy wasp]

how long would he even have been able to survive if was just adrift in space?

because i doubt he could even survive if he fell back into atmosphere

[craggy sierra]

I doubt power armor has infinite air supply

[unique rune]

I think MJOLNIR only has about a half hour’s supply of air if I’m remembering things right

[craggy sierra]

idk but that feels right

[mint flume]

yea in the book John has an inner dialogue moment about how James most likely had half of an hour of oxygen. I only pose the question because how many SIIs are still active? it was 30 something now there is only 11 i think

[craggy sierra]

Something like that

Not like Halo really needs Spartan 2s specifically to tell stories

[carmine sleet]

It would basically be a rehash of how Kurt survived if they tried to bring James back

[mint flume]

oh of course not I just want some of them to have a happy ending is all. their lives have been so rough and arduous, it would be fitting to see a reunion of some kind

[jovial heath]

Did you know the mamper cheib armour really got moss on it and there armour is made of stone as the original color of the armour was orange

[carmine sleet]

Not everyone gets a happy ending

[carmine sleet]

Chief's armour definitely isn't made of stone, nor was it originally orange

[inland jackal]

I think he took some infusions

[jovial heath]

Man cheese was once a friend with Allen until Allen was mean and stole his pet plant

[inland jackal]

Yeah this a troll

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me and you're just making stuff up

[mint flume]

I have been playing since 2004, I understand this. Somehow Humanity will attain the mantle, I just don't know what a Halo ending with Humanity's victory would look like. It's fun to speculate

[jovial heath]

Sorry

I will stop

[jovial heath]

Maybe it look like a normal human setting on a planet with no aliens

[carmine sleet]

Also didn't need to tag me but honestly, I hope nobody attains the mantle, it's a very bad concept that basically pushes for one species to rule over all others opposed to actually working cooperatively with people

[jovial heath]

Isn’t the mantle of responsibility just a concept

[mint flume]

Yea the human's course of action to the forerunners technology is basically to blow it up so yea the mantle is pretty dumb when you think about it 😆

[jovial heath]

Well if it is too dangerous it’s a good choice

Also shouldn’t they keep at least one ring in case flood come back

[carmine sleet]

Humans blowing Forerunner tech isn't related to them inheriting the Mantle, they just happen to keep doing that

[mint flume]

Yes I agree with you

its interesting to think about the history of how the mantle concept came to be. It is a Precursor concept, so there must be importance in its practice to a certain degree. Does that mean that whoever holds it is meant to rule over the other species like a hierarchical system, or just act as a protector of sentient life? I don't think we really know the answer

[jovial heath]

Me when masmtper chug blow up my house for being a bit old 🥺

[terse lava]

The forerunner's view of the Mantle was to shelter life, and keep biodiversity a thing. Their way of protecting other species however, prevented those of each from advancing on their own

The precursors meanwhile, were more hands off, seeking only to experience every facet of life imaginable, as they believed it enriched thr universe, which they saw as a living thing to an extent.

[stable flower]

There was an MP40 in Uprising

[cobalt quiver]

what exactly did gravemind do to cortana on high charity

[versed helm]

Logic plague

[gilded mason]

Attempted to convince her to join his side

[bronze schooner]

Tried to find out her secret

[craggy sierra]

Literally no

[versed helm]

Ah my mistake then

[craggy sierra]

Logic plague is you literally just have a debate with an AI for half a century until it begins to understand your cause and side with you.

Gravemind was just torturing her with data overload for information

But yeah Logic plague is also something its victims tend to recover from after being removed from the flood's influence. Not worse. So if there was any plaguing involved Cortana would've probably just deleted the key in Halo 3 and said "lmao get tentacled nerd" when chief found her.

She would not help him kill the flood and then decide 4 years later to help the flood.

[humble yacht]

That was one example of the logic plague. It’s not The same with every AI or person

That being said, Cortana’s actions after getting rescued go against what a plagued entity would do

Intelligences with logic plague further the interests of the flood, either intentionally or unintentionally

[woven plaza]

back when catalog was running
did anyone bother to ask the current status of Offensive Bias?

[gentle shadow]

No one knows, probably offline

[versed helm]

His function was meant to just defeat mendicant bias, so it’s likely he probably shut down after ensuring that the flood were defeated

[versed helm]

Question how old is noble six

[unique rune]

B312 doesn’t have an official birthdate.
Though being part of S-III Beta Company they probably would’ve been in their early-mid 20s at the time of their death.

[bronze schooner]

Around 22

[gentle shadow]

Early 20s

[versed helm]

I don't think that really would've happened

[woven plaza]

confirmation from Catalog would have been nice....

[mint flume]

Cortana, even in the books, would remove some of her subroutines to deal with medial tasks. It is possible that Cortana devoted certain subroutines to deal with the Gravemind while aboard High Charity. I think there is a possibility that one of the fractured Cortanas at the end of Halo 4 was the crafted subroutines Cortana fabricated in high charity to converse with the Gravemind. This is a bit of a stretch, but its kind of cool to consider. What if the part of Cortana that was meant to deal with the Gravemind, is the Rogue Cortana that entered the domain, and is now a part of The Weapon. Again it's a stretch so don't take this personally if you have a different opinion, just some food for thought 🙂

[inland jackal]

Mmm interesting

[humble yacht]

It’s not just one Cortana that made it to the domain

It was several

[mint flume]

Oh thats cool I always thought it was one

[humble yacht]

Also given the advanced intelligence of the gravemind, it would likely take the majority of her professing power to resist influence and attack

Not something she could relegate to a simple subroutine

That would be like letting a newbie fireman tackle a 5 story fire solo

[mint flume]

Yea you're right. Just thinking about Mendicant Bias in the Halo 3 terminals on how he had to take centuries of contemplation to become regretful of his actions during the Forerunner flood war. Yea its like a New Mombassa Police Officer against the Silent Shadow 😆

[gaunt oak]

Do not tag Admins or Moderators unless immediate action is needed. If you see anything that does not abide by these rules and guidelines, please tag a Moderator to bring it to their attention.

[mint flume]

my bad

[humble yacht]

The time between modern halo and the forerunner flood war was approx 100,000 years

Much more than centuries

Literally millennia

[mint flume]

so thousands of years 👀

wow

DUde i love this franchise so much

[inland jackal]

Same

I wonder how halo would be after chief's story ends, will it continue? Or stop there?

[humble yacht]

It can and should continue

Plenty of stories to tell other than Chief’s

[inland jackal]

Yeah but who will we follow?

[humble yacht]

Who says we have to follow any one person

Also, new characters are a thing

[inland jackal]

Yeah that's a good point

[mint flume]

Unpopular Halo Opinion, we really need another ODST

[spring dagger]

what i find interesting is that, to my knowledge, the cortana that we oppose in H5 was just a fragment that encountered the warden, not the whole cortana, since she was fragmented in H4

[gilded mason]

The comic Dominion Splinter shows that all the fragments that went into the Mantle's Approach's system re-merged once they made it to the Domain.

[humble yacht]

There’s nothing that says the rampant fragments that made it into the domain didn’t reform into a single rampant Cortana

[spring dagger]

ok see i missed that detail

i knew they encountered the warden

[humble yacht]

I highly doubt there are multiple rampant Cortanas leading he created

[spring dagger]

i didnt know they remerged

[humble yacht]

I don’t remember that panel

[gilded mason]

I don't have the comic on me to confirm it lol

[humble yacht]

This panel?

[gilded mason]

Maybe?

[humble yacht]

Nothing about that panel suggests to me they reformed

Tho I do agree that is the most likely outcome, I don’t think we explicitly see it

[gilded mason]

Yeh, fair enough.

[humble yacht]

I just feel like if each fragment got restored to a functioning iteration of Cortana by the domain, the potential for divergence between them all could threaten her overall plan

Would they share power equally? What if they get into a situation where they argue about which fragment is more of the original?

[cobalt quiver]

Is Zeta halo the biggest one?

[inland jackal]

Yeah

Since it's from the first array, but the 4runners sized it down to match the "newer" 6

[carmine sleet]

I thought it was made smaller because of damage done to the ring during the Forerunner-Flood War?

[inland jackal]

Well it got smaller anyways

Maybe my mistake doing that from memory

[terse lava]

Both right, it was sized down thanks to the damage done in the events of Primordium, although there was likely fine tuning later

[inland jackal]

Thanks Ado

[terse lava]

Welcome Nizat

[plush loom]

Who would win? Two ORS class or One CAS class

[modern cave]

what is this panel?

[vernal eagle]

im not hating on red team but halo wars took place 20 years before Reach and Halo and they were wearing mark 4 Mjolnir armor, but halo wars 2 that took at the same place and the same time as Halo 3. in wars 2 they're still wearing mark 4, what the heck do these guys even upgrade TELL ME

[humble yacht]

Halo wars 2 takes place several years after halo 3

The spirit of fire was lost in space for 20+ years, they missed out on a lot of the new stuff that came out

[bronze schooner]

HW2 took place 9 years after Installation 04

Event

[carmine sleet]

Where did they get the idea that HW2 happened at the same time as Halo 3?

[humble yacht]

Pretty sure it’s more like 7

[humble yacht]

Who knows. Why do people still think Mjolnir does that thing to Spartans? Or that Chief has isodidact’s geas?

[versed helm]

I hate that I know and don't know the second thing

[warm acorn]

What the heck happened to those Dual shield Jackals from Reach?

They don't appear on Trilogy and later Halo games

Where did they go?

[humble yacht]

You mean the Skirmishers?

They’re still around in the lore

[versed helm]

Aren't some of them in the banished?

[fresh sandal]

yea they were on reach in SoR

w/ the banished

[gusty star]

Probably were to ignorant to notice that there was more than one Ark conflict.

[atomic vector]

Has anyone given confirmation that the hexagons on the ring are like a repair sequence or something?

[humble yacht]

No

[bronze schooner]

Halo wars is 20 years before Inst 04 and Halo Wars 2 is 29 years after Halo Wars

[humble yacht]

Halo wars 2 is in 2559

Halo CE is 2552

7 years

[inland jackal]

Yeah, 7 years apart

[bronze schooner]

Halo Wars lied to us then

It says “20 years before Halo Event”

Halo wars 2 says “29 years after spirit of fire went missing”

Unless the events of Halo Wars took 2 years

Or at least 1 and a half

[humble yacht]

Halo wars 1 is 2531

[gilded mason]

"28 years since last known contact", actually.
HW1 was in 2531, so that + 28 = 2559
Seems to check out

[humble yacht]

Quick maths

[bronze schooner]

Yeah I just remembered it said 21 years before halo event too

So never mind then

[gilded mason]

👍

[bronze schooner]

👍

[tacit charm]

👍

[lavish garnet]

[wispy wasp]

Are spartans assigned armors or are do they choose the pieces themselves?

[unique rune]

Probably a bit of both? Armory descriptions seem to imply that there’s a degree of individual choice when it comes to armor selection.

[humble yacht]

Originally they all got the same armor

As armors got more specialized, Spartans could choose bits that suited their skills more

I.e. Linda getting helmet with enhanced optics

[versed helm]

Is the halo evolution movies Canon and how good are they

[unique rune]

They’re mostly canon. Visuals have some flexibility and Odd One Out is entirely non-canon.

[gilded mason]

Think they're talking about the Evolutions motion comics, not Legends.

Unless they misspoke

[humble yacht]

Well

Evolutions is all canon

Legends is all canon except odd one out

But canon refers to how the events played out, not necessarily the finer cosmetic details

[tacit charm]

for the most part the halo evolutions movie or clips when i watched it is canon though info about the story revolving around the elite on a glass canon is a bit questionable to me since in halopedia it says there were hundreds of ships yet i only counted 18ish in the clip

[unique rune]

Oh, yeah, duh. Misread that.

[jolly rapids]

https://www.sporcle.com/games/Thebiguglyalien/halo-covenant-terminology

im embarrased

44%

https://www.sporcle.com/games/Thebiguglyalien/halo-character-picture-click 92% 😎

[torpid lily]

How lore accurate is the halo 3 poster with arbiter standing behind the master chief

[devout ravine]

after playing halo 3 i wanna dropkick guilty spark

[tacit pecan]

Well you do blast him with a laser.

[versed helm]

After you, your "homie" and your homie get blasted with a laser

[tacit pecan]

Man that fight is easy.

Even on Legendary.

[versed helm]

Halo has always had a weird way with boss fights

[tacit pecan]

stares at the Warden Eternal

[versed helm]

Don't he'll fire an exploding black hole at you

[tacit pecan]

yes

[prisma steppe]

its a laser orb nerd

easiest boss fight to date

are the Gúta in Halo Reach even considered a boss fight

[tacit charm]

hardest boss unironically is regret who on laso takes like 600 punches

[broken tinsel]

o

[sour ibex]

Just started listing to the Glass lands audiobook on my way to and from work everyday, it's very good this is my first newer halo book I've gotten ahold of.

[hardy gull]

If the halo rings were square what would the ark look like?

Asking the real questions here

[versed helm]

A cube

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/e/e4/Borg_cube_orbits_Earth%2C_remastered.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/749?cb=20130424025909&path-prefix=en

[south matrix]

Is the Mangler from Infinite the direct successor to the Mauler from Halo 3?

[humble yacht]

Not really

[final haven]

just got halo: fractures

really excited to read it

[tepid barn]

That was surprisingly easy to dodge tho

[versed helm]

It would flow towards you sometimes

[woven plaza]

at most i'd say it's a "spiritual" successor but i think it'll play differently

[humble yacht]

The mangler is a revolver. The mauler was a one handed drum loaded shotgun

Just because they both have rotatety things doesn’t mean they’re related

[inland jackal]

Yeah

[visual hinge]

Anyone have an Iceberg Chart of the lore?

[minor sky]

Ok so, I have a really dumb question here, I feel like there is some really basic lore I am overlooking, but, How did the flood survive after the Halo Array went off/what was the Flood doing on the Halo?

[visual hinge]

I know a few reasons.

[gilded mason]

The base forms were kept on the arrays for the monitors to study

[minor sky]

Ah, ok

[visual hinge]

1: Shield worlds were safe.
2: Labs had some flood for research
3: Some of the basic forms didn't have nervous systems

[gilded mason]

The Forerunners knew that a cure/what-have-you was imperative if their worries were true and more Flood would eventually come from outside the galaxy.

[tacit charm]

that and its most likely the flood has spread outside the milky way galaxy so ye

[visual hinge]

There is no cure.

The forerunners were dumb to do that.

[gilded mason]

They didn't know that at the time

[visual hinge]

They were told by the Primordial that there isn't, and who knows the flood better than a precursor?

[tacit charm]

the universe itself?

[humble yacht]

Why would they trust that thing

Of course it would tell them there’s no cure, even if there was

[woven plaza]

they didn't store flood in any shield worlds right

[humble yacht]

Not that we know of. Tho it didn’t stop flood from infiltrating some

[terse lava]

There likely could have been some, but the rings were the main storage ones we know of

[tacit charm]

wat about the shield world in halo wars

[inland jackal]

Yeah that was in my mind as well
🦆

[humble yacht]

The flood broke into that, iirc

Etran harborage was a storage site for a bunch of forerunner warships. Would be pretty dumb to store flood on a site where they could potentially steal spaceships

[hollow shadow]

Sum up halo story in 2 sentences

Bet you cant

[hazy mantle]

Spartan good, do big shooty pew. Alien bad don't drink alien cult koolaid.

[south matrix]

What about the Commando, is it the successor to the DMR?

[quasi basalt]

Aliens and zombie things bad, spartan save universe and good

or

[quasi basalt]

strong man shoots and kills aliens to save everyone

[woven plaza]

can you scramble a flood egg
||and what are the socioeconomic implications of this on the wider halo universe||

@calm rain unggoy eggs might taste like crab eggs, since unggoy apparently taste like crab

thanks random Halo Reach soldier

[calm rain]

XD Ye, thanks random Halo Reach soldier who most likely died after filling up on a delicious balanced alien breakfast.

[carmine sleet]

A random trooper is most likely not going to actually know what they taste like

[woven plaza]

but it was some random trooper who told us

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[calm rain]

Oh god, with their overpopulation problem, they would totally turn into the Chicken equivalent for the Covenant or the UNSC...XD

The also worst part of that is they have some deep moral sentience to themselves meaning if the Covenant did do that..oh boy..

[terse lava]

Well we know the Jiralhanae happily would eat Unggoy if they wanted too

[pulsar grail]

space crab

[unique rune]

No. The VK78 was first employed by the CMA in 2495.
Also being a machine gun it holds a fairly distinct role from a designated marksman rifle like the M392 and M395.

[cerulean marlin]

is there a list for the order i need to read the books in im going to bed now but will check back later would be a great help thanks 🙂

[chilly shuttle]

Quick question.

Is anything from Halo Legends canon?

[carmine sleet]

All of it but Odd One Out is cannon

[tacit charm]

the one where master chief look alike that goes super Saiyan isnt canon

[versed helm]

No, it is not canon

[tacit pecan]

Odd One Out isn't. Everything else is.

[woven plaza]

What is: UNSC General Order DS8831A-1

[tacit pecan]

Not sure. Where'd you get that?

Closest match I could find is that it's the order for everyone to read the Cole Protocol and follow it to the letter.

[obsidian thistle]

Where is that?

Cause my records dont say that

[woven plaza]

appears when you try to venture oob on behemoth

[carmine sleet]

That's something new most likely

[obsidian thistle]

Ah ok with a lil investigation.

It seems to be the normal out of bounds message. Where a lil War Games lore was injected into it.

If I were to guess its an order to not leave the match by running out of bounds. Or to not go into certain areas of a War Games sim.

[woven plaza]

yeah I could totally see say, the spartan's armor getting remotely disabled for staying oob of a War Games match too long

[ivory crow]

Is multiplayer still a battle sim in canon?

[humble yacht]

yes

[ivory crow]

Neat

[wispy wasp]

is there any lore to UNSC order order 0518831a-1 ? (it's the text that appears when you are in soft kill zone)

[torpid lily]

How cannon are mark v designs in the new book covers

*lore accurate

[empty bridge]

is cindershot new to halo

[versed helm]

I’m pretty sure it is

Although a lot of the weapons in infinite, at least the banished weapons, are remakes and modified versions of previous weapons i.e mangler being an updated version of the mauler

[pulsar grail]

cindershot be lookin like a forerunner weapon

[carmine sleet]

The Mangler isn't an updated Mauler, the two are very different

[versed helm]

Mangler is like a pistol, kinda, and the mauler was basically a pitiful shotgun

[carmine sleet]

They're both pistol-type weapons made by Brutes and that's really it in terms of similarities

[versed helm]

Yeah

[humble yacht]

Not sure id call a weapon “pistol-like” just because it’s one handed

Sawed off shotguns can be one handed, too

[viscid trout]

Well I'd p3rsonal,y consider the mangled to be more of your traditional revolving barrel magnum myself. Probably the equivalent to a .50 magnum or...whatever its called.

[humble yacht]

.357 magnum

And yes, the mangler is like a revolver, but the mauler is not, even though it has a rotating drum magazine, it’s more similar to a AA12

[fair hazel]

Read a bit above your message

[versed helm]

what if there was a forerunner tech that could send planets through portals?

[humble yacht]

Considering that halos can go through slipspace, it’s not unfeasible that a shield world could too

Since they are artificial planets anyway, it means they were put where they are by the forerunners, which means there was a time when they weren’t there, so moving them shouldn’t negatively affect the gravitational forces of solar systems too much

[versed helm]

I think that the design of a halo suffers from "flat earth" concept. When you look at the sea from a very high ground can you easly see the curvature of the earth. Halos on the other hand are a "negative" curvature.

[tame steeple]

Actually I’ve heard that a lot so that’s more like a popular opinion, and one I 100% agree with!

[carmine sleet]

That is from like 4 days ago

[versed helm]

what is different in ODST?

[carmine sleet]

You don't play as a Spartan, you're playing as an ODST

Well multiple since you play as different members of the squad Alpha Nine

[swift seal]

That’s not flat earth that’s inverse earth

[versed helm]

lol

yeah

[mint flume]

When Lt. Haverson shot the engineer 😢

[woeful herald]

Yo anyone know if the flood can fly?

[craggy sierra]

Like...outside of operating space ships and aerial vehicles?

[unique rune]

Halo Wars had the Bomber form and Swarm, while Halo Wars 2 introduced the Seeder and Burster. I think those are the only known airborne Flood forms.
Vehicle operation aside.

[swift seal]

What do you mean by this?

The flood can learn to pilot vehicles with the help of a centralized intelligence, they could also fly if they infected a flying organism, and a pure form could likely be manipulated to achieve flight as well

Also sorry for the ping

[woeful herald]

Na u good thx for telling how they can fly

[swift seal]

Ye

[terse lava]

We do see flying flood forms in halo wars as well. Native life infected by the parasite, and in halo wars 2, a variation of thr common infection form is capable of flight and infecting the pilots of aircraft

[untold needle]

Are their any variation of the energy sword?

[unique rune]

A fair bit

It’d be easier for me to just link the variant section on Halopedia’s Energy Sword page than to detail them all here.

https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Type-1_energy_sword#Variants

Just realized it doesn’t mention Ripa ‘Moramee’s custom set of swords.

[humble yacht]

Don’t forget the energy flower used by the famous kaidon Mario ‘Itsamee

[versed helm]

is halo an alternate universe apart from the real world?

because it has ancient humans and the precursor, which aren't part of the real world.

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[versed helm]

it seems that in halo human language is english

what about the hundreds of languages that exist on the real earth?

[gilded mason]

We simply don't see them often since Halo is made by a company that uses English

[terse lava]

Mhm, the others still exist

[stable flower]

Hungarian being one of them

[tacit pecan]

English is the primary Language for Human use, but obviously the others are still around and used.

You'll hear plenty of Sanish in CE from certain Marines.

[topaz spade]

Do I read halo retribution first or halo fractures?

[hasty nebula]

what's the language the villagers use in Reach?

[fresh sandal]

hungarian i believe

[tacit pecan]

Right.

Jorge even speaks it.

[fresh sandal]

yeah reach has a pretty heavy Hungarian background

[hasty nebula]

Oh I see thanks

[fair hazel]

I mean… it’s fiction so… it can’t be part of the real world by definition.

[warm acorn]

If the three prophet hierarchs are dead after Halo 3, then who's gonna be the new prophet hierarch to rule the entire covenant?

[vivid citrus]

Here is the thing, there is no covenant
There was some group that followed kind of (maybe someone who know better the lore can correct me) but other than that not much

[bronze schooner]

The Covenant fell after Halo 3 then was reformed by Jul Mandama

[zealous current]

@bronze schooner its the fake version of the covenant

[bronze schooner]

Still called the covenant though

[zealous current]

Kinda there not prophets

[bronze schooner]

True, it’s more of just a single leader

[zealous current]

The 2 covenant war was very quick

[bronze schooner]

Wasn’t it just 2 or 3 years long?

[zealous current]

Yea I think

The banshed is better then the covenant

[vivid citrus]

I'm interested to see more about the banished, looks a very interesting group seeing from Halo wars 2 and I have to read the books too lmao

[zealous current]

The banshed is my favorite enemy in halo soo I grad they are back in infinite

[terse lava]

The Covenant empire for thr most part fractured into hundreds of small factions. Many of them still.call themselves the "Covenant"

[gusty star]

You did not just ask that.

[worldly crystal]

I thought it was the banished... Not the banshed?

[unique rune]

The Banshee’d

[worldly crystal]

Oh

[unique rune]

I’m kidding, it’s the Banished

[versed helm]

lol

I mean... Earth's history in halo, does it follow world war, ice ages, etc?

[humble yacht]

Human history in halo is congruent to human history irl aside from the origins of the species

[fresh sandal]

everything from humanity building the pyramids in egypt to the band Queen

[versed helm]

Then everything changed

[fresh sandal]

minus queen

kelly-087 keeps that alive apparently

[fair hazel]

When the plasma nation attacked..?

Someone ought to do a video about Kelly but with Queen music

[stable flower]

It's more like the Covenished at this point

[fresh sandal]

a kelly highlight reel with “We Are the Champions” in the background

idk why but the fact that Kelly canonically is a fan of Queen just makes me happy

[humble yacht]

Halseeeeey! (Ooo, oo oo oooooo!)
Didn’t mean to you cry,
If I’m not back from the Ark by tomorrow,
Carry on, carry on

[fresh sandal]

• Kelly Mercury, 2559

[tidal fog]

is there a pin somewhere that gives us the books in order?

[fair hazel]

Order of publication or chronology?

[tidal fog]

hmmm. both tbh. im looking into the books and would like an ideal "order of reading"

i checked the pin

and there are like

200 books :P

[gilded mason]

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

Read 'em in publication date order

[tidal fog]

ty

[wispy wasp]

what about with the different trilogies?

read them in or out of order?

lol, i looked up what order to read the books in and they have halo the flood as the 8th book lmfao

[gilded mason]

Were you looking at a chronological order thing or something?

[wispy wasp]

no, because they have fall of reach as the first book

[gilded mason]

Huh. Got a link to what you were lookin' at?

[wispy wasp]

https://www.windowscentral.com/halo-novels-you-cant-miss

[gilded mason]

Huh.

That is...a pretty bad order

[wispy wasp]

yeah

[unique rune]

"optimal order"

How in the world did they pick these
With a roulette wheel?

[zealous current]

?

[bronze schooner]

I recommend instead reading Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike back to back

Not spaced out like that

Also why is harvest AFTER reach?

[wispy wasp]

I don't know

Yeah those books all happen back to back from each other

i still find it funny thay first strike has more about the fall of reach than the fall of reach

[bronze schooner]

Yes but it’s more near the end of Reach’s fall and after it did

[remote sun]

First glassing?

[versed helm]

is glassing a halo exclusive term? does it come from glass? melting sand = glass

[swift seal]

Yeah

The covenant blasts plasma beams at a planets surface until it’s completely melted, effectively making it unfit for life

[terse lava]

In- universe, it originated from a secret group of AI called "The Assembly" who thought it would help galvanoze humanity

[swift seal]

in theory

[swift seal]

That was a data pad from H: Reach right?

[tacit pecan]

Yes.

[stable flower]

Would Mombasa's environment be considered cyberpunk?

[terse lava]

@swift seal yep

[swift seal]

This was an addition to my reply, not Ado’s

[terse lava]

I wouldn't say so, no. It doesn't really fit thr "cyberpunk" look one typically sees

[ocean matrix]

I don’t know Mombasa seemed pretty Cyberpunk to me. Granted it was all deserted, but under different circumstances, it would certainly be.

Another reason why ODST was my favorite.

Sadie’s Story was god tier

[swift seal]

Yeah the only two issues I have with ODST are:

1. Why on god’s green earth is an ODST able to beat a brute soldier to death with their bare hands
2. Weapon model inconsistency

And by that I mean size relative to enemies and chief in H3, not design

[ocean matrix]

Should they be able to beat a brute…no, BUT unless I’m mistaken ODSTs are somewhat augmented, no where near to the extent of a Spartan but certainly stronger than your standard marine.

As for the other stuff, eh gameplay.

[ocean ibex]

Odst’s are not augmented at all

[swift seal]

They are elite, yes, but they haven’t been modified

And even Johnson, who’s basically a proto-Spartan, couldn’t even move a brute when he punched one

[ocean matrix]

Ah my mistake

[terse lava]

As for beating a Jiralhanae, gameplay of course

[swift seal]

Yeah true

Will always be weird to me though

[terse lava]

Halo as a franchise would be impossible if it ran on true lore

[swift seal]

Fair enough

[ocean matrix]

I couldn’t remember, well ODSTs are just really that cool haha.

[swift seal]

Indeed

[tacit pecan]

Buck stabbed a Chieften in the neck. Several times. Doesn't matter how many bullets their armor can take, that's still killing it.

[tacit charm]

eh it can be used in stuff like star wars too if you wish to do so

[ocean ibex]

Didn’t chief nearly die trying to fight a brute hand to hand?

[terse lava]

@ocean ibex yeah

Same with Fred, even after Linda sniped it in the head

[ocean ibex]

Huh

Was it shielded or something

[terse lava]

Nope, just h2 style

[zealous current]

Brutes gameplay

[terse lava]

It lived for a few seconds after the shot. Only dying once it registered thr blood dribbling down its fate e

[zealous current]

H2 brute is hell

[craggy sierra]

gameplay

[swift seal]

I agree, it’s the fact rookie can just go into fisticuffs with one and come out on top that makes no sense to me

But all in the name of gameplay

At the end of the day that is the most important part

[tacit pecan]

Sarah Palmer (as much as I hate her) has some words about that.

When she was an ODST she went toe-to-toe with a Chieften and won

[swift seal]

what

I guess that’s why she’s a Spartan

[tacit pecan]

Literally is.

Because she was recruited by Jun after that mission ended.

Alright technically she killed it by running it over.

But she was up close to it and lived

[swift seal]

That’s crazy

Is this in a book?

[tacit pecan]

Comic.

Initiation.

She goes up to it and fires an MA5 point blank.

When that fails, she overturns a Warthog with a grenade.

Then gets in it and slams down.

No more Brute.

[swift seal]

She really be exploiting the physics engine for that one

[tacit charm]

if ur referring to the one time you fought a brute in that comic she did fight it yes but won by just ramming it with a warthog

[tacit pecan]

Man, it's almost like I mentioned that already.

Alright technically she killed it by running it over.

[tacit charm]

ye my bad didnt see that part

though she wasnt recruited just by beating a chieftan

[blissful ether]

Didn't the Banished singlehandedly stopped the flood from spreading in Halo Wars 2?

[tacit charm]

they had sentinel help

though even then i still found it a bit contrived that they were able to beat the flood considering the arbiter had alot of trouble with them with alot more resources at hand

[ocean ibex]

No, they had to activate the ark’s defense systems, otherwise they would’ve been wiped out

[blissful ether]

So it was both the sentinels and the banished

[fair hazel]

The veracity of that information is highly suspect as it may be but glorified in universe fan fiction

Sentinels did a lot

Also. A kills a kill. Palmer was resourceful.

[worldly crystal]

I don't think ODSTs are augmented.. I read somewhere that an ODST is the best you can become without messing with your body

[fair hazel]

Not augmented.

And ODST gameplay is very spartan lite.

Would have been interesting if they did something interesting instead gameplay wise

[past olive]

question, when was the lore actually changed so that Forerunners and Ancient Humanity were 2 different things? I have been aware of the difference for a long time already but I also know Bungie in CE intended for Forerunners to be ancienct Humans, so does anyone know when it was specified they were 2 different things?

[bronze schooner]

I think in the book “The Flood”

[humble yacht]

Internally is unclear but externally by halo 3

[pallid comet]

Wort wort wort is the best quote

[swift seal]

agree

[boreal bane]

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1443274100688961537?s=19

Halo (@Halo)

In the latest issue of Canon Fodder, we take a closer look at the lore behind some of the sandbox elements featured in our #HaloInfinite Technical Preview!

Come and get your fiction fix: https://t.co/I7jOPPjcsY

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Twitter · Sep 29, 2021, 5:58 PM

[versed helm]

https://imgur.com/a/82hNuEt

screenshot i took of a terminal on Bazaar

[wispy wasp]

I know generalkidd did a video on it

[versed helm]

ok great to know

[wispy wasp]

But from what we know it doesn't have any meaning

It's just gibberish

[viscid trout]

Well to be fair with the halo wars 2 flood, it was stopped before it could for, a grave wind. And even then it was by the skin of their teeth. As for the article. I find it interesting that the brutes were once more technologically advanced then just...glorified spike throwers

[versed helm]

found the link to the generalkidd terminal video on Bazaar https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nMpixAOWSc

[fair hazel]

That doesn’t seem really have much relation to the lore @versed helm

Yay canon fodder!

Kinda ugh that they’re using the M808 though

What is a tectonic fabrication seam? Hmmmm

[viscid trout]

Given that I'm assuming they mean tectonic plates, mayhaps either artificial fault lines or landmasses?

[versed helm]

i didn’t see a better place to put this type of content sorry

[fair hazel]

In the context of a halo. Tectonics? Hm. The map was raised above with the pillars

This is for the lore and universe discussion.

[versed helm]

hidden messages in game isn’t lore?

[fair hazel]

Those are Easter eggs. They don’t have to do with the story

Unless it’s a story related one

[versed helm]

it’s not been decoded so we wouldn’t know. anyways sorry to mess up ur flow here or whatever. maybe a different channel would be better suited but i don’t see one.

[fair hazel]

#483759756566069258

[steep charm]

The Infinite Forerunner guns aren't Builder-Security? Headcanon obliterated, thanks 3v4.
And Behemoth being Zeta is very cool ay

[viscid trout]

To me that was clear when I first saw the heatwave. And the cindershot reveal proves it. The way they shoot and handle. Its clear that they were weapons, pure and simple. Makes me wonder who's using them as well.

[stable flower]

Wonder why the Sentinel Beam's laser is purple? Isn't that the color used by the ones on Shield Worlds?

[unique rune]

I mean, not necessarily

Sentinels in the first Halo Wars at the Etran Harborage used blue beams.

[terse lava]

The sentienl beam's color has nothing to do with rank or anything. CE-3 were orange, withn"sentinel majors" in h2 having blue beams

[unique rune]

Halo 2 has the two varieties of Aggressor Sentinel that fire yellow-orange and blue beams. So it's not like specific colorations are locked to certain locations

[terse lava]

Oh, the h2 ones also have that smaller constructor green beam too. You see one using it on the seraph in the gas.mine

[woven plaza]

I hope Catalog comes back online

[woven plaza]

it'd be interesting if we saw Builder forces and Warrior-Servant forces (Promethians? Promethians 2.0?) on Zeta Halo

[steep charm]

Seeing Knights/Armigers alongside Sentinels would be pretty cool yeah

[dawn knot]

Would they be controlled by zeta Halo's monitor?

[woven plaza]

Sentinels and other staples of Builder Security I absolutely expect to be controlled by Despondent Pyre

Assuming Cortana is still active, I'd expect any Warrior-Servant forces on Zeta Halo to be controlled by her

[humble yacht]

Probably means they were for Warrior Servants

[humble yacht]

Also purple beams have higher energy than red/orange beams

Oh, lol, the fodder literally says heatwave was a warrior servant gun

Kinda lame that they seem to purposefully avoid the term Promethean

[woven plaza]

I suppose they want to ease people into a possible return of Prometheans

[humble yacht]

They should just say Promethean then

Be proud of their contribution instead of ashamed

[steep charm]

You seem to discredit the pride it takes to add the name of your creations to the AI color customization menu

[woven plaza]

ngl on that note I do wish we'd gotten more Halo 4 content in MCC

honestly i liked that the Warrior-Servant stuff had a different look compared to the (presumably) Builder stuff we've seen

[tacit charm]

How durable are covenant ship shielding?

[shut dew]

The need for 343i to be ashamed of anything related to Halo 5 is disheartening

[woven plaza]

what happened to the governor of Harvest? The one who wanted peace with the covenant before the whole war thing happened

[humble yacht]

Very

[tacit charm]

[main rivet]

I kind of like the intimation that before they nuked themselves to hell the Brutes were living in a galvanic, steampunk world.

[zealous current]

I happy that the brutes are back thanks 343

[terse lava]

While u am not greatly fond of them, I did enjoy that bit of lore we got about them in Canon fodder

[ocean ibex]

Enough to tank several Mac cannon shots from cruisers

[woven plaza]

i like how 343i's set up the banished in general tbh

While they probably aren't as powerful as the Covenant was at its height, the Banished are far more pragmatic

[zealous current]

Yea same

[woven plaza]

far more ruthless

[tacit charm]

i would like a source

[woven plaza]

Atriox isn't "above" working with the Elites or anything like that

and in fact one of Atriox's Hand or whatever it's called is an elite

[zealous current]

The elites are better but the brutes are perfect for halo infinite

[tacit pecan]

Atriox also doesn't rule out working with Humans. Which you would be hard to believe given that when he gets to the ARK, the first thing he does is kill all the humans.

And when Spirit of Fire shows up, the first thing he does is attack.

[zealous current]

If the banshed and the human be frembes be of contact

[woven plaza]

He doesn't even rule out working with those who stick with the covenant religion (Keepers of the One Freedom)

and all that makes him that much more dangerous

[tacit pecan]

What?

[unique rune]

Atriox also doesn't rule out working with Humans.
You'd think that, but then Shadows of Reach went and said "nah".

[tacit pecan]

I haven't read Shadows of Reach yet.

I don't even think I own it.

[woven plaza]

I thought he tolerated [whatshisface's] human followers

(who're actually Veta Lopis the Spartan-III ferret team)

[tacit pecan]

Did Team Katana ever get free?

[zealous current]

If the banshed and human team up 2 fight Cortana i will hate that

[tacit pecan]

Or are they still in those weird stasis things described in Ghosts of Onyx?

[unique rune]

A Catalog post on Waypoint some years back confirmed they'd been successfully freed from the Forerunner stasis pods.

[tacit pecan]

Cool.

[unique rune]

He was pretty unhappy over Castor having humans within the Keepers.

[craggy sierra]

You can get more ruthless than murdering entire populations and burning planets to being uninhabitable?

[brazen grail]

It's interesting for sure. They're saying the Banished is the most ruthless faction Chief has ever faced. They'll have to win lots of people over with that statement

[craggy sierra]

Not really?

[brazen grail]

Yes?

[craggy sierra]

That's probably only the most surface level concept of a faction that only insane people care about. At the end of the day all they need to do is be well written. They don't need to be "the most" anything.

[brazen grail]

Well that's what 343 is saying. The most ruthless faction, Chief going up against his most formidable opponent yet, all that

[craggy sierra]

Cause lets be real, if people are out there being like "Oh man the Banished and Escharum had great characters but I couldn't get behind it because they weren't the most ruthless faction" then you're talking to an insane person.

[brazen grail]

I think it's just more about backing up claims for some people

[craggy sierra]

Those people are stupid and need to learn to understand marketing better.

[brazen grail]

That marketing isn't always honest?

Pointing to you Halo 5

[craggy sierra]

Marketing is a game of extremes. It is not about conveying nuanced characterization or story telling. It's about building hype and making everything seem the biggest it's ever seemed only in that moment.

[brazen grail]

Fair point

[ocean ibex]

Ok I was wrong, the ccs in tfor tanked a full shot from the frigate

[stable flower]

The Banished feel more like an attempt to put the Covenant back into the story without them actually being the Covenant

[craggy sierra]

I mean what're 343 going to say instead? "The banished are space pirates who're flying cobbled together junker ships but hey, they got moxxie so you gotta respect em"

[brazen grail]

Well ideally they don't want their creation to literally just be called the covenant by people.

I've already heard people say that though. "Can't wait to kill some Covenant in Halo Infinite!"

[craggy sierra]

I think the word covenant is just synonymous with "alien" when people talk Halo.

I don't think they're expecting the millitant religious establishment to be up and kicking without issue.

[terse lava]

I like to think there are still chunks if the empire still held together. Either by lack of news, or necessary needs

[stable flower]

Like the hermits on the keyship

[craggy sierra]

I mean yeah it was a 3000 year old galaxy spanming religious order. Of course there's still places following the extremist doctrine.

But there's no leadership, any violent religious millitants are being hunted by both elite and human millitaries, and who even knows what the hell their economy and supply chains look like after the war.

[terse lava]

Wasn't even thinking that, just average covenant soldiers and citizens. What made you jump to the worst?

[bronze schooner]

Imagine there’s just some outpost in 2560 and they still haven’t gotten word of the Great Schism or discovery of Halo

[terse lava]

I would fully expect it, with how vast the empire was, and we are told at their hight, High Charity could still lose contact with planets/sectors for decades

[bronze schooner]

Also what happens when you let unggoy use communications

[stable flower]

Probably some Elites still loyal to the Covenant somewhere out in space, unaware of the GS

[fair hazel]

Well look at what happened with hesduros

And the covenant on the anodyne spirit

Also. Remember. The scattershot was used by builder security.

And the sentinel beams on requiem were purple as well

[woeful glade]

Here’s some grunt lore/ fact thing
The grunts backpack/cone thing is a meth tank so they can breathe and half of their home planet has been glassed and ignored by the elites and others

[fair hazel]

Methane *

[swift seal]

No the grunts are just sky high at all times

[neon mirage]

Na bro

The grunts are just constantly doing meth

[versed helm]

Jul's Covenant was the largest faction that followed the doctrine, right?

[bronze schooner]

Mixed with meth

Grunts don’t know the difference

[terse lava]

@versed helm if you mean the Covenant's faith in the Great Journey, no. Jul's covenant( except Jul himself, as he was faking everything) simply worshipped thr Forerunner as gods. We know of two factions that still follow the Covenant's faith the Keepers of the one Freedom, and a faction led by Luro 'Tarlumee( the gold fleetmaster from Halo Legends: The Package

[versed helm]

Don't the Servants of the Abiding Truth count as well

[humble yacht]

No because iirc the servants follow a pre-covenant sangheili faith

[terse lava]

Correct

[craggy sierra]

They didn't even really fully follow it as it was before. They never had an end goal of firing the rings and Jul himself was not even religious. He was just manipulating beliefs for personal gain and a petty vengeance war effort.

[versed helm]

Sigma male grindset

[lost yoke]

Hey, I have a theory about the possible return of the Didact:
He was being composed by more than 3 composers at the same time so he will return but not on a physical plane because he is now on a digital plane and he could ally himself with Cortana or put himself in against her for the control of the Mantle of responsibility, he could even form a small alliance with John, Because in the comics he treats him with some respect, something like when you join with the Gravemind in Halo 3 to stop the Prophet of the Truth. (I'm sorry if there is any misspelling, English is not my first language)

[terse lava]

That theory has been thrown around over the years

[versed helm]

I have a question is Zeta Halo the halo that professor Anders created in halo Wars 2 🤔

[unique rune]

No

The ring in HW2 is Installation 09, newly constructed after the destruction of 08 in Halo 3.

Zeta Halo/Installation 07 is the oldest Halo in the current array, being a refit of one of the rings from the older 12-installation senescent array.

[carmine sleet]

Important to note that Installation 09 is a replacement for Installation 04, Alpha Halo

[cold osprey]

why my message deleted

[fair hazel]

Not pertinent to the channel and a likely troll attempt.

[cold osprey]

im not trolling, but i do believe it to be true

[fair hazel]

Not pertinent to the channel anyways even if it were true

[versed helm]

I thought it was the ring from halo Wars because it takes place in 2559 and infinite in 2560 😂

[carmine sleet]

Nope, it's not the ring from Halo Wars 2

[woven plaza]

what does sedran red fruit taste like

[unique rune]

Probably similar to some variety of tomato

[woven plaza]

reasonable

i kinda want to imagine while it tastes like some kind of tomato, it's got a different texture or something

maybe a crunchy (think raw onion) tomato?

[swift locust]

adding anew ring in halo wars 2 is interesting, since that's such a close timeline to infinite, and infinite is all on the zeta ring (so far as we know)

[craggy sierra]

Not really

Halo's a lateral universe with several stories happening at any given time. Not all of it is feeding back into a singular conclusion.

Halo Wars 2 is jus another Halo story

[cobalt quiver]

What do those beam emitting towers do on the arrays?

[ocean ibex]

We don’t know actually

[stable flower]

I've been wondering about that since I was young

[tidal juniper]

@cobalt quiver Well, Bungie's Marcus Lehto said they were for communication, firing from one side of the ring to the other side of the ring. You can get his quote on the Halo CE's Garish Goblin speedrun react video at 15:26. Marcus was one of the creators of Halo's universe and Halo's Creative Director, in case you didn't know.

[gentle ridge]

Do you mean the blue plasma things

The book says they amplify the power of the halo rings

[stable flower]

I always thought those were the things hitting POA in that one cutscene

[tidal juniper]

I have no idea what the books or even 343 want those beams to do. I'm just putting here what I know, the original idea for them anyway

[lone wolf]

Fun lore fact to ruin everyone's day:
Brutes are bears, not apes.
"Jiralhanae, named Brutes by humans, are a large, muscular pseudo-ursine sentient species"
Ursine: relating to or resembling bears.

[gilded mason]

I'm in full support of them being rhino-bears again. I just wish it'd actually happen.

[hoary cedar]

Definitely has a ring to it... rhino-bears

[gusty star]

They’re more so rhino-bear-gorillas.

[gilded mason]

That reminded me of the Phoenix Log art that literally just had a traced picture of a real gorilla in it for the Brute. 😔

[tacit pecan]

No, those are boarding craft.

[versed helm]

The story of halo infinite, if they add too much they create a problem for themselves

[calm rain]

Yo 343, tell me the lore of these leaky pipes on Live Fire man, was the UNSC not able to hire a plumber on dial?

[sand violet]

That's the smash reveal

[versed helm]

I think the Catalog already denied him acess to the domain?

Not sure why it let Cortana in though

[lethal urchin]

Because cortana used (Facts and Logic) like how she influenced other AI's?

[versed helm]

I'm pretty sure a human smart AI isn't on the same level as Forerunner aIs going full capacity

[terse lava]

True, even their basic, personal AI, had capabilities not even a smart AI could do. Playback a forerunner's memories in front of them like a movie, save personality imprints and reboot their forerunner in cases of extreme mental trauma. And of course preserving the mind of a forerunner on death.

[viscid trout]

I'm going to assume it has so,etching to do with the librarian.