ripe rapids
im just speculating ive only started reading the halo books
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
No, they actually wanted to leave the planet as soon as they could get the next relic(s) for their forerunner capital mission. Rho, the Fleetmaster, knew he would be punished if he didn't leave before that second fleet arrives
limber dagger
No, they actually wanted to leave the planet as soon as they could get the next ...
Pretty sure they also believed that Reach was the human home world for a little while based on how hard it was defended. That second Fleet was 300-something ships.
terse lava
The high council did believe that, yes, according to thr shipmaster from The Return. As for that fleet, its not the full 300-strong fleet put under Thel's command
limber dagger
The high council did believe that, yes, according to thr shipmaster from The Ret...
Particular Justice was also there
limber dagger
Thel and that PJ arrived on the same day
Aug 30
I'm referring to Thel and PJ as the "second fleet" btw
terse lava
That fleet at the end of LNOS wasn't the fleet of Particular Justice
limber dagger
That fleet at the end of LNOS wasn't the fleet of Particular Justice
yes yes, i know. That was the first wave
we may be just misunderstanding each other lol
terse lava
Perhaps
limber dagger
So it looks like LNoS was part of the first advanced strike group, then a different fleet showed up on Aug 14 after LNoS got rekt by Jorge, then Thel and PJ came on Aug 30.
Had to check Halopedia because its been a while since I played thru the Reach Campaign
terse lava
Indeed, though long night wasn't a part of the strike force at all
They were doing their own thing, and ended up getting bogged down for to long
limber dagger
The advance strike group all arrived with LNoS and landed under the LNoS's cloaking system in late july. LNoS may have split off to perform its own functions, but it was definitely the flag ship of the strike group. The advance strike group is fleet of valiant prudence. https://www.halopedia.org/Long_Night_of_Solace#cite_note-4
This is backed up by Mythos as well
terse lava
Yes, the Long Night was their flagship, wasnt denying that. However, the Fleet of Valient Prudence wasn't there to lay waste to the world, or even prepare the way for that later fleet, they simply sought relics to continue pointing them to the capital
limber dagger
"Indeed, though long night wasn't a part of the strike force at all"...thought you were saying that LNoS had nothing to do with the strike group at all. But ok, now that we have that resolved, are you saying that if they recovered the artifact they sought the day they got to Reach, they would have just simply left? That the only reason the 2nd and 3rd reinforcement fleets showed up is because the humans put up a fight?
terse lava
I would say the 2nd fleet, and later the main armada, arrived thanks to the data recovered from the probe on Keys's ship. Far as I am aware that hasn't changed. But had Rho gotten what he sought, he likely would have left, yes
analog storm
So where does Master Chief being in the loop fit into the Halo lore?
brazen grail
It fits perfectly. It's why It's called Halo Infinite!
analog storm
oh, I’m referring to how master Chief entered the loop via the zero point
Or rather, via refrigerator
analog storm
lol
I’m referring to how master Chief got into Fortnite. I was wondering if there were some sort of weird ties to in universe lore for halo
analog storm
As a person who enjoys the lore of both I was wondering if someone found some goofy way to tie the two together
terse lava
Forgot that game even exists
limber dagger
im sure there has been. no offcial canon or anything though.
analog storm
I’ve been maining master Chief this season as it’s like, all sorts war / apocalypse sorta themed and I think it’s fitting that he of all people “finishes the fight”
limber dagger
i un-installed a little after the world cup after it became a pure sweat fest even in pubs. the game is taken too seriously now. its a goofy cartoon battle royal that is meant to be silly and fun, not a comp game. making it an esport and dumping 100s of millions into prize pools for 15 year old kids is the reason the game took a nose dive.
still fun to watch tho, for sure
analog storm
i un-installed a little after the world cup after it became a pure sweat fest ev...
This season is super nice. I get not liking the sweats. My friends the same way. I’ve helped him find enjoyment through challenges. Rather than playing to win or beat others just stay optimistic and focus on challenges. Most of the fun in the game for me is spent earning rewards and doing challenges for Xp rather than winning or getting elims. I know it’s a br and that’s kinda the point but when you make it something else by how you play, it’s really fun at its core
limber dagger
i used to love it along with everyone else. but if you want to continue talking about it, DM me if youd like. we may both end up getting muted for going off topic
they are pretty strict in this server
analog storm
Also if you stick to normal lobbies it’s not too terrible. But if you’re playing in competitive lobbies then yeah it’s a sweat fest
Ahhh alright, I didn’t know! I’m new to this server.
limber dagger
no problem, just a warning.
analog storm
Thank you
versed helm
Cortana being tortured by the Gravemind was kind of insane. How can an AI be tortured in the first place?
can a computer feel pain?
limber dagger
Cortana being tortured by the Gravemind was kind of insane. How can an AI be tor...
You familiar with Halo: Evolutions? "Human Weakness" fleshes out that exact story. Between Halo 2 and 3 when Cortana is in contact with the gravemind... its really good.
viscid trout
Don’t forget the gravenind has affected ai before. Mendicant bias anyone?
dawn knot
It's less infecting them
More convincing them they are right
And when you have the intelligence of billions of people
You can make a pretty convincing argument
viscid trout
As well as probably mentally torture someone as well
versed helm
are the books always tied to the game's plots? are are there stories in the books that are unrelated to the games?
gilded mason
are are there stories in the books that are unrelated to the games?
Most of them, actually
limber dagger
are the books always tied to the game's plots? are are there stories in the book...
I mean, everything ties into the games in SOME way, but yes there are plenty of books that feature characters never seen in the games etc.
fair hazel
Sometimes some events of the game do have major impacts on the galaxy which are explored in the books
hallow talon
Anyone down to relive Halo 2 or even CE with me on Xbox one. I’d love to have a full squad run through them both on legendary. Let me know my GT is Warlord402
versed helm
halo 4 beginning. How could John 117 survive in space for five years?
gilded mason
He was kind of in cryo at the time
unique rune
Super Space Refrigerator
versed helm
I didn't play halo 4 but reading halopedia makes me think that halo 4 sucked
the idea of ancient human battling the flood and forerunners trying to rule the galaxy is meh
limber dagger
I didn't play halo 4 but reading halopedia makes me think that halo 4 sucked
MP in H4 wasnt good. H4 story was pretty good.
limber dagger
the idea of ancient human battling the flood and forerunners trying to rule the ...
that is not what they were doing lol
unique rune
Yeah I dunno what you got out of that summary but that barely even plays a part in Halo 4's campaign.
limber dagger
Yeah I dunno what you got out of that summary but that barely even plays a part ...
its the terminals lol
unique rune
It's always a weird experience for me to see Halo 4's plot get so much flak when it basically just parallels huge chunks of CE's campaign, meanwhile the poorly written disaster that was Halo 3's campaign gets praise heaped on.
gilded mason
I dislike both. 😌
versed helm
Truth being a villain in 3 sounds good, but he being weaker than the flood and then one villain trying to outsmart the other. I guess halo 3 overcomplicated it
xbox 360 has less than 512mb available for games and the CPU didn't have enough power to handle complex scenarios with hundreds of enemies and huge battles
they probably had to cut down many things
prisma steppe
the idea of ancient human battling the flood and forerunners trying to rule the ...
Even though I agree, it’s deeper than that. The didact was only against the humans/covenant in this case because of the logic plague by the flood swaying his mind. The ancient humans battling the flood has always been apart of the lore.
There’s actually not much more depth beyond that in halo 4 but the pretenses make it cool
versed helm
one thing that seems to be ignored in halo universe is health. Does the lore include health?
unique rune
Player health mechanics are written off as biofoam injectors in MJOLNIR armor
limber dagger
Humans were never trying to rule the galaxy. They were running from the flood, entering Forerunner territory along the way and cleansing any planet that had the infection on it, including forerunner planets. its the reason for the human forerunner war.
limber dagger
Player health mechanics are written off as biofoam injectors in MJOLNIR armor
yeah idk it would be cool if they could think of an even halfway believable lore explanation for the health bar, but there just isn't a way to do it even in a science fiction game lol
nano-bots maybe????
versed helm
isn’t the IVs armor significantly better than the IIs armor?
sangheili being tired of war, wanting to avenge deaths. This makes them pretty human in nature
the lore talking about ancient humans having advanced tech, predating greeks, egyptians, is kinda "non linear evolution"
humanity was rebooted from scratch?
unique rune
Even before the firing of the rings they'd been reset to a primitive state.
swift seal
Damn😔
unique rune
There was a time where ancient humanity had even come close to rivaling the Forerunners.
But then the Flood came along and caused them some trouble, which set off the Human-Forerunner War, which they lost. As punishment the Forerunners devolved ancient humanity pretty significantly.
swift seal
Did the humans agree to this like some kind of reparations or were the forunners just like “no go back”
unique rune
More like the latter, if I recall correctly. They didn't have much say in the matter.
swift seal
Fair enough
I’ve always been confused about the forunner-human war. Why didn’t the humans just say “yeah sorry about bleaching your world, it had some really nasty bugs on it that are trying to assimilate every organism with a nervous system into it’s dreaded hive, maybe we could team up”
unique rune
Ancient humanity and the Forerunners didn't really get along well, so I think it was mostly just that the humans didn't think the Forerunners would believe them.
unique rune
I assume they would've at least tried the first few times, but if the Forerunners just ignored or dismissed the warnings then I could see them just going straight to planet cleansing to ensure the Flood couldn't spread.
Really need to get on with my Forerunner Trilogy re-reading to refresh my memory on the whole thing.
swift seal
If I remember correctly, there was a terminal in H4 where a human ship discovered a contaminated forunner planet, and when a ship-hand asked the captain if they should warn the forunners, he just said it would take to long and began blasting away
So maybe not A+ moral compass
unique rune
Yeah, it's like the second Terminal in H4.
The dialogue made me assume that it was pretty far into the Human-Flood conflict so I figure they would've been used to getting snubbed by the Forerunners or something by that point.
tacit charm
I’ve always been confused about the forunner-human war. Why didn’t the humans ju...
they basically did that its just the forerunner chose to say up yours humanity hence how you get into millennia long conflict
im not sure how the Maginot line could counter star roads
swift seal
Oh yeah those exist
I’ll be honest the only additional lore I know is from the H3 terminals and the “The Flood” novel
And a few HiddenX vids
swift seal
Yeah I’m trying to get through them all but school
versed helm
I think I get get. Halo 3 was supposed to be part of halo 2
halo 2 ends with "where is the ark?" And then in halo 3 they have the ark
stable flower
That's exactly it
versed helm
the original xbox didn't have enough power to have wide open worlds
so halo 3 was a chapter in halo 2 that was extended to be a standalone game
unique rune
No, Halo 3 got left out because Halo 2's development was a rushed nightmare that required tons of cuts to get out the door on time.
stable flower
My dislike about 4 is the Covenant. I know they needed something for us to fight before the true enemy of the game appears, but they feel shoehorned in at times for nostalgia purposes. Also, there's only four species (the same four species that we had in CE).
unique rune
Jul's Covenant probably could've used better explanation in Halo 4's main campaign, but I don't really take issue with their inclusion otherwise.
It's probably the one big thing I'd change about Halo 4's campaign if I could. There's some really weak and kinda forgettable dialogue that almost attempts to explain it but it never actually goes anywhere.
John-117: "I thought we had a truce with the Covenant."
Cortana: "A lot can happen in four years."
Like this exchange is... not great.
versed helm
and then they kill Jul
limber dagger
yeah they spend multiple books developing him into an awesome character and then just let him get one-shotted by Locke at the very beginning of the game. Like....why tho????
unique rune
I always figured it was some kind of harsh overcorrection in response to feedback over Halo 4's campaign and Spartan Ops.
limber dagger
Yeah the book representation of Jul and the game representation are essentially unrecognizable compared to each other.
Jul is not a religious fanatic. He is using the Keepers to a means to an end. Then we see him in H4 as a religious fanatic. He's either a very good actor or 343 just forgot about the K5 trilogy entirely.
Say what you will about K5's questionable lore status, but I feel like Karen Traviss' character building for Jul was some of the best in the entire lore.
tacit pecan
Jul 'Mdama
tacit pecan
Jul is not a religious fanatic. He is using the Keepers to a means to an end. Th...
343 ignoring established lore? Perish the thought.
unique rune
Then we see him in H4 as a religious fanatic.
I dunno if I'd necessarily call him a religious fanatic in H4. Throughout Spartan Ops he's pretty consistently shown as less concerned with Forerunners being some kind of "divine beings" and more interested in the kind of power Forerunner technology can bring him.
tacit pecan
Less religious, more a realist.
unique rune
Other than the big dumb "lmao throw Requiem into the sun" plot point I thought they made him come off as... mostly pragmatic.
unique rune
It just baffles me that 343 had a whole team of writers at the helm of Spartan Ops and at the end of the day they apparently couldn't figure out a satisfactory way to deal with Requiem so they went with... toss it in the sun.
Ugh.
They've been doing some mild backpedaling and hinting at the idea it could've survived but it still stings that it was the route they chose in the first place.
tacit pecan
I'd like to see what bull they come up with that let's a planet survive an impact with a sun
unique rune
Some kind of Forerunner space magic, presumably.
versed helm
writers that write about sci fic should study physics
tacit pecan
What specifically?
Presumably, it was what was left of a Precursor race that existed before the Forerunners.
unique rune
writers that write about sci fic should study physics
I mean, if they’re specifically trying to do hardline realistic fiction, sure.
Otherwise it’s a bit unnecessary and limiting.
tacit pecan
As the Forerunner-Precursor war drew to a close, the few remaining Precursors that were pushed out beyond the edges of the galaxy to Path Kethona sought vengeance against the Forerunners. A few Precursors were spared by the Forerunners, while others became a dust which could regenerate into their past forms. Over time this dust became so corrupted that it could only cause horrific disease and mutation. The Precursors, driven insane by the rebellion of their creations, embraced this corruption and became part of it, becoming the Flood to destroy the Forerunners as a final act of vengeance against them.[6] They sent several ships containing this powder to Forerunner controlled planets.
unique rune
You don’t need to obey the laws of the real world in a piece of work that straight up just doesn’t exist.
tacit pecan
True, but if you're going to make up laws in a fictional world, at least keep them consistent.
They evolved.
Original intent vs New plan.
Just read it here.
versed helm
physics isn't just making a real world, but understanding some concepts brings coherence too
unique rune
I mean. You can do that without studying physics.
Obsessing over our understanding of real-world physics and trying to force a work of fiction to adhere to it is unnecessarily limiting at times.
So long as your made-up universe maintains relative internal consistency I don’t think it matters at the end of the day if some feat or function isn’t “realistic”.
versed helm
I think that for a whole universe that spans multiple games they have to have a table of all laws, rules, philosophies and concepts that are are adhering to. And then, writers could follow that table without having to read or play all previous work / games
unique rune
I mean. That’s what story bibles are for.
tacit pecan
No.
unique rune
It’s a big part in developing and maintaining a major IP. Not really something you’d want freely accessible to any random person.
remote spruce
there are some vague plans listed in that
but the main thing is general secrecy, i think a good chunk of it has been published anyhow via guide books
prisma steppe
Obsessing over our understanding of real-world physics and trying to force a wor...
Only if you limit yourself. Halo gets around faster than light travel through “slip space”. At least there is regard for the fact that faster than light travel is not possible conventionally, and that some sort of workaround had to be made.
How accurate slipspace is to current theories, I don’t know or care.
unique rune
I mean, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. You can write fiction to be based on real-world principles but at the same time I don’t think sci-fi writers should have to feel like they “need” to study a field beyond what is typically covered by most education.
unique rune
It can be helpful but at the same time, fiction is a flexible medium that doesn’t need to strictly conform to reality.
humble yacht
The closest real world equivalent to slipspace would probably be superstring theory
versed helm
I was brainstorming some ideas for a fanfic. An elite that is shorter, human height, would move away from its warrior culture and pursuit a medical career. His own shorter height would mean that he wouldn try to understand why is he shorter. There could be a virus outbreak or some sort of disease that is threatening the sangheili. This shorter elite would be a key in finding a cure. The disease could also be a villanious plan by some other character.
stable flower
I feel the Auditorium is gonna be a shield world
humble yacht
I doubt that
unique rune
Still seems more like a facility on the Halo ring to me.
wispy wasp
Cortana mentions that the covenant just imitate forerunners technology and don't attempt on improving it, does that mean if the war went on long enough humanity would've outteched the covenant?
gilded mason
She was fairly wrong about that. Though even if she was correct, once the Covenant sees humanity beginning to catch up, tech-wise, nothing says they wouldn't immediately ignore that aspect of their culture and start upgrading things at a fast pace.
wispy wasp
That makes sense considering how the prophets rule the covenant
wispy wasp
Did the high prophets ever really think of chief as much of a threat? I know they called him the demon, but the prophet of stewardship didn't really think much of him until his raid on the truth and reconciliation but that was before the rings destruction and first strike
gentle shadow
Did the high prophets ever really think of chief as much of a threat? I know the...
Before the Battle of Installation 04, he was on the same threat level as every other Spartan A demon. But after he destroyed 04, he was known as The Demon.
wispy wasp
yeah i know that
i wasn't sure if that was just a name or if the prophets really did think of him as a threat
gentle shadow
Cortana mentions that the covenant just imitate forerunners technology and don't...
No, the UNSC was losing the war from the very beginning. It's a wonder how humanity held on as long as it did. But if The Covenant did not break apart, the Covenant would've won the war.
tacit pecan
And the Covenant themselves were struggling with another enemy on the side.
gentle shadow
Not really
tacit pecan
Threw everything they had at Atriox and didn't come close.
wispy wasp
No, the UNSC was losing the war from the very beginning. It's a wonder how human...
so the chief wasn't as big of a tide turner as the games make him out to be? and it was moreso the great schism that did so
gilded mason
Threw everything they had at Atriox and didn't come close.
Also, they didn't exactly throw everything they had at him. He was basically only a small-time raider, hitting supply depots and the like and then scurrying off.
tacit pecan
For 20+ years, The Banished didn't exist
Ah.
tacit pecan
so the chief wasn't as big of a tide turner as the games make him out to be? and...
Well the original trilogy takes place in the last year of the war. And blowing up that Ring changed the tide immensely.
gentle shadow
so the chief wasn't as big of a tide turner as the games make him out to be? and...
The games take place in the final months of the War, he played pivotal roles during that time but he and the other Spartans were not enough to change the tide of the war.
tacit pecan
"Spartans always won the ground"
gentle shadow
And how many planets were glassed?
gilded mason
"Spartans *always* won the ground"
Though even that has been shown to be an...exaggeration.
gentle shadow
Exactly
tacit pecan
A lot.
Because the problem was the space battles.
You can turn off the pings, you know.
gilded mason
Didn't know you were annoyed by them
tacit pecan
I'm just saying.
gentle shadow
Spartans dont often win ground battles
tacit pecan
Early lore wanted us to think that.
Since that's literally a line from the Fall of Reach book.
wispy wasp
I mean even in first strike it's shown that they could outnumbered without too much effort
gentle shadow
And then later on in said book, most spartans die during the ground battle of Reach
tacit pecan
Considering it was the Fall of Reach, that's not surprising.
It was different than any other battle.
gentle shadow
Not really
tacit pecan
Biggest fleet they'd ever seen?
gentle shadow
Considering what Halo: Reach did, terrible luck
wispy wasp
i mean, in first strike one ship was easily able to outnumber freds team
gentle shadow
Ah
tacit pecan
The game changed up the lore by a lot.
gentle shadow
i mean, in first strike one ship was easily able to outnumber freds team
Im gonna assume you just read First Strike
tacit pecan
From "The Covenant overran Reach's considerable defenses in hours" to "A siege that lasted a month"
wispy wasp
i've read the first 3 books ._.
gentle shadow
I mean, I like the fact that it lasted a month
tacit pecan
That somehow only affected only one half of the planet Reach.
gentle shadow
But that's just me liking drawn out battles
tacit pecan
Because on the other side of the planet, Master Chief was testing out the new Mark V armor.
Completely oblivious to the warzone on the opposite end of the planet.
gentle shadow
Feel like you're about to rip into the game and point out most problems with it
tacit pecan
Nah, it's too late for me to do that.
Besides, I love the game too much.
it's just difficult to ignore these story issues while also trying to keep in line with established lore.
wispy wasp
theres also the pillar of autumn
gentle shadow
Ah yes, the bugbear
wispy wasp
i still don't really get how that's supposed to work out
gentle shadow
I personally think of Halo: Reach as Bungie's middle finger to Microsoft before leaving
wispy wasp
lol
tacit pecan
Not like Microsoft cared about the lore of Halo.
There was a lot of love put into Reach.
There was a middle finger, but to who, is anyone's guess.
compact widget
@terse lava I SHALL NAME MY NEXT CHILD AFTER YOU, THIS MEANS SO MUCH TO ME!
compact widget
HOW much humans left after the war?
there were originally like 23 billion humans in the 26th century before the war
after
about 9
actually sorry 16
compact widget
i might be wrong
im a huge halo fan but ive never had the books
some people say the population of earth was reduced from 10 billion to 120 million
versed helm
hummanity would never rebuild with 200-300 million
versed helm
im a huge halo fan but ive never had the books
i dont understand why the books cost so much
compact widget
but yeah about 23-36
versed helm
is it just australia where the books ar eoverpriced
it costs 21 usd for one halo book here
as the reccomended retail price
limber dagger
so the chief wasn't as big of a tide turner as the games make him out to be? and...
While yes, Chief did himself help turn the tide of the war thru his combat actions, his real value was as a moral booster for the entire species. John is just as famous to the general public in the Halo novels/ games as he is IRL. He's an icon and the whole species really rallied behind him and looked at him for hope when planet after planet was being glassed. Without the Spartans, and not just because of their successful missions, we would have given up the will to fight most likely.
limber dagger
So long as your made-up universe maintains relative internal consistency I don’t...
I know this is a bit of an old topic, but I think Frost was looking a little too deep into the questionable physics of Halo because the Halo Universe has been explicitly stated as being our universe. So I think his point is that the physics in Halo should be fairly accurate to our current understanding of physics with some reasonable guesses at what kind of advancement we will make in 500 or so years.
limber dagger
Completely oblivious to the warzone on the opposite end of the planet.
Yeah isn't Chief running thru Ackerson's rigged gauntlet with Cortana on Aug 30, 2552 lol. Fun fact, the current version of TFoR says the date is Aug 30, 2542, which is an obvious typo that has never been changed to this day. Weird man.
limber dagger
it costs 21 usd for one halo book here
Try the audiobooks man! I've never read any of the Halo books except for Mythos and Warfleet. I've always listened to the audiobooks. Should be a little cheaper, and you get that added benefit of hearing the story as the author really wanted it to be told.
humble yacht
Huh?
limber dagger
What?
versed helm
Who?
humble yacht
Do authors commonly do audiobook recordings themselves?
limber dagger
No, but they are normally on site or at least advising while the recording is done.
humble yacht
For halo books, I don’t think the audio versions are read by Eric nylund and the other authors
versed helm
It is most common for authors to perform their audiobook themselves in< non-fiction> where the voice the audience expects to hear is consistent with the author's voices
humble yacht
No, but they are normally on site or at least advising while the recording is do...
Source?
versed helm
It would be cool to hear them read the books tbh
limber dagger
Source?
I guess i dont have one...i dont know where that info would be stored, but they obviously give their final approval along with the publishing company.
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limber dagger
Sorry for ping, my bad. So maybe im just making a bad assumption here but it stands to reason that the author of the book would want to sign off on the official audiobook of their work.
humble yacht
Just seems like quite a claim to say that audiobooks are “the way the author really wanted it to be told”
The whole charm of books is that the reader fills in the voices themselves
limber dagger
ok, ill revise....in a way that the author approves of.
humble yacht
-_-“
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limber dagger
i dude im sorry i know lol. this is the only server im in where that is a strict rule and im just not used to it.
I just personally like to listen to the books, but I know some people also want to read it themselves. I was just giving a recommendation based on price with my own personal opinion of it.
humble yacht
That’s fine, I’m just wondering where the extra claims come from
Not like you need to oversell the idea of audiobooks
limber dagger
A lot of people have never even considered them. But yeah I should have worded it better because I dont know for a fact that the audiobook is exactly how the author wanted the story to be told, but we can say with pretty reasonable confidence that it is told in a way the author approves of.
humble yacht
Maybe. Would need to ask authors if/how they were consulted about audiobook versions of their works
limber dagger
I mean, it stands to reason they would need to be on the final sign off list considering they wrote the book, but i guess it all depends on how the ownership of the work is split up between the publisher and the author.
humble yacht
Directing is a whole nother skill set from writing, that’s why the writer and the director are often separate positions
You do have some writers who also direct, but I don’t think it’s the norm
limber dagger
I doubt any of the authors actually serve as director, but I imagine it's a situation where the screenwriters (authors of the story) and directors are in constant collaboration to meet a common vision for the work.
Maybe Audible actually gives credits or has this info on the Book pages. Let me check.
versed helm
Bioshock infinite suffered from cuts and Ken Levine was said to be a bad director. He created the lore in bioshock, but the game seems to suffer from a creativity block
at the end there is a huge plot twist and puts Bioshock infinite and Rapture city under a concept of the whole universe obeying to universal constants
I saw the cutscene in halo 3 in which Keyes dies at the hand of a prophet. I was "what?"
at the end of halo 2 she was the one to grab the index in the last second. Then she dies like that in halo 3?
limber dagger
Who are you talking about Frost?
humble yacht
Miranda Keyes
Her character does get done dirty in H3
And not just because the voice actress changed
main rivet
From a cinematic standpoint there's a lot of weirdness in Halo 3. Stuff that would read fine on the page doesn't work in translation on screen.
Keyes going out like an idiot being a highlight, but so is everyone ignoring that the rings are about to kill life and sauntering around in the next cutscene, etc.
limber dagger
The games also really dont make light of the fact that Johnson was like 80 years old when he died on the Ark.
What a guy
unique rune
I still struggle to understand what was up with Hood’s whole “final stand at Earth” spiel in H3’s campaign.
versed helm
last stand, meaning that there are no other colonized planets left?
tacit charm
well humanity was at that point kind of shoved into the corner so it is essentially a last stand (ignoring the infinity)
unique rune
I get that part but in context it’s a really stupid idea. Hood wants to hole up on Earth against an incredibly powerful enemy that even the Covenant fears, an enemy that the allied Sangheili who he is basically riling up at the moment have advised him to fear. Truth’s already on the way to the Ark and for all he knows the rings could be on the cusp of killing every living being in the galaxy.
And he wants to commit the battered remains of the UNSC home fleet to attempting a desperate defense of Earth.
We go, we risk everything; every last man, woman and child.
And he says this as if digging in on Earth with his thumb up his rear is any better.
versed helm
just noticed something odd in halo 2. The Arbiter gains this title from the prophets, but they already said to him that he'll die as every other before him. Then there is that scene were he is shocked when Tartarus tells him that the prophets ordered to dispose of the arbiter.
limber dagger
Because the Arbiter lived too long. They expected him to be dead quickly
unique rune
He expected to die during a mission, just not at the hands of another member of the Covenant by order of the Prophets.
limber dagger
The Great Schism was a shock to the elites. Out of nowhere Brutes just started slaughtering them. Crazy stuff.
unique rune
He probably figured that the hierarchs would just keep throwing him at things instead of having Tartarus off him upon successfully recovering the Index/Icon.
viscid trout
Indeed. Simply put the arbiter is destined to die in one suicide mission or another. That’s how it’s always been. The brutes betraying the elites alongside the prophets is one of the major factors for the elites joining the unsc to fight against truth
limber dagger
The elites were also able to realize that the dogma was all lies. I find it very odd that there are at least 2 instances where Elites have found a Forerunner artifact and realized that they needed a Human to operate it, but still thought humans were and affront to the gods and wanted to wipe them all out
If you wipe out all the creatures than you literally know you need to operate certain forerunner tech...that isn't very smart.
fair hazel
They’ve still been able to go around with forerunner tech
Also, there’s multiple ways their religious leaders could come up and explain it
viscid trout
Indeed. Keep in mind that they were under the thumbs of the prophet for decades at this point. Sure the younger generation was wondering why they were still fighting humans...but it didn’t take until the destruction of installation 04 for their faith to really be put into question
gusty star
You mean millennia?
south matrix
What are those flood gestalt forms called
I always nicknamed them Flood Hunters
Because of their similar size to hunters
The ones you see in halo 3
dawn knot
Flood tank Forms
last anchor
Not really a gesalt either, just raw biomass capable of converting between forms.
They always eat my grenades 😦
tepid barn
Have you played Cortana In Halo 3 it has no flood don’t worry it’s also one of the easiest missions to find your way in
gentle shadow
Indeed. Keep in mind that they were under the thumbs of the prophet for decades ...
The sangheili have been with the Covenant for more than a few decades. The "younger generation" you speak of isn't young at all
dawn knot
Not really a gesalt either, just raw biomass capable of converting between forms...
A brute shot Melee can one shot the tank forms on most difficulties
gentle shadow
just noticed something odd in halo 2. The Arbiter gains this title from the prop...
This is because of Fal 'Chavamee, he is the reason why the title of Arbiter is a disgrace. If you want to see his story go watch The Duel. But like 343 Guilty Spark said, all those who were made arbiter afterwards cheerfully ran to meet their deaths.
viscid trout
I know what I meant. Look I get decades mixed up with other periods of time, alright.
gentle shadow
just noticed something odd in halo 2. The Arbiter gains this title from the prop...
Also, the reason he was shocked is because he trusted the prophets and they betrayed him.
covert dawn
Have you played Cortana In Halo 3 it has no flood don’t worry it’s also one of t...
Dude gravemind is so much easier tho. no covenant, no flood just chill vibes
humble yacht
They always eat my grenades 😦
Like literally?
humble yacht
Dude gravemind is so much easier tho. no covenant, no flood just chill vibes
The level Gravemind actually does have no flood
The next level, High Charity, has flood
terse lava
Will never understand Bungir on that choice
wispy wasp
Well i mean the start of the mission had the gravemind in it
humble yacht
It’s still poor level naming
wispy wasp
Fair, i mean twp betrayals also is a level
woven plaza
does microsoft exist in the 26th century
nothing on halopedia so i guess it's not officially in universe
i could understand not plastering a huge microsoft logo randomly in a game but i thought it'd get an offhand reference in the books somewhere
terse lava
Doubt it, its 500 years in thr future
versed helm
seems that no halo game showcases artificial arms.
Hasley is seen with one arm missing
woven plaza
Doubt it, its 500 years in thr future
companies have lasted centuries, it's not out of the realm of possibility
gilded mason
seems that no halo game showcases artificial arms.
Have you played Halo Reach?
versed helm
no
gilded mason
Kat has an extremely prominent cybernetic arm.
And you can give your multiplayer Spartan one both there and in Infinite
carmine sleet
And in expanded lore we see Vata 'Gajat, who is an Elite with significant cybernetics
gilded mason
And that one elite in Infinite also has a robotic arm
versed helm
uh, they have fingernails
gilded mason
?
versed helm
I didn't notice it before
carmine sleet
uh, they have fingernails
Which hand are you looking at? Plus, having finger nails doesn't mean someone can't have a prosthetic
versed helm
with elites having their unique sword I was thinking on a fanfic with some elements of samurai philosophy
gilded mason
samurai philosophy
😩
terse lava
@gilded mason but Ostral, all alien warriors are samurai by default. Didn't you know this?
terse lava
What about them?
dawn knot
The prime example of the fact all aliens warrior show samurai culture. Yes I know it was a joke
gusty star
uh, they have fingernails
You mean claws?
gentle shadow
uh, they have fingernails
Claws
tacit pecan
seems that no halo game showcases artificial arms.
Bro I'm gonna need you to actually play some Halo games.
Or at least watch all the cutscenes.
terse lava
Didn't even know that was now a requirement for halo
ebon coyote
hey everyone so ive been reading ALOT of halopedia as was recommended...but some things appear to be missing...so i thought i would ask some more questions??
gilded mason
What'cha got?
ebon coyote
whatever happened with Harvest...it seems that when she was lost she fell to the wayside
we took her back but thats all i can find
gilded mason
It's a dead planet these days, so there's not much reason to return to it
tacit pecan
Meridian was a dead planet, but it's got people coming back.
Given the chance, they could theoretically go back to Harvest, too.
gilded mason
Meridian might not have gotten hit as hard
unique rune
They could probably go back to Harvest, but it just depends on what value some organization sees in it.
Meridian is being deglassed because Liang Dortmund thinks it's worth the investment. Whether the same might apply to Harvest for some other group is up in the air.
terse lava
Plus, not much point in that it was a breadbasket world, turned into a winter Hellscape. Not much point in coming back to it
ebon coyote
also REACH was partially glassed but it says that only new alexandria and esztergom were rebuilt before the Banished took the planet from us
we lost REACH once it seems extremely unlikely we would invest all that time and effort in her just to lose her again
unique rune
I mean, to be fair, the Created uprising would've thrown a really big wrench into the whole process.
ebon coyote
fair enough
gilded mason
also REACH was partially glassed but it says that only new alexandria and eszter...
but it says that only new alexandria and esztergom were rebuilt before the Banished took the planet from us
I think it was only said that NA was rebuilt before 2610, no exact date before then
ebon coyote
By 2589, Reach was in a habitable state, and new human colonists were re-settling the planet. The planet was still evidently littered with destroyed ship and debris from both the Covenant and UNSC, thirty-seven years after the fall of the planet. By 2610, at least two cities on the planet, New Alexandria and Esztergom, were reconstructed.
Prior to October 9, 2559, the Banished, Keepers of the One Freedom, Ravaged Tusks and the Legion of the Corpse-Moon began to occupy parts of the planet.
idk lol i mean my lore IS SO BADLY out of data thats why ive been reading halopedia to catch up i even spent 7 hours at a library doing research lol
stable flower
I wonder how SOF is doing by the series' current year
tacit pecan
Is during?
versed helm
@ebon coyote 7 hours in a library reading about halo?
gentle ridge
So I have a question
I am reading through the books again
I’ve read about five
How do you people reconcile the continuity issues
What would you give credence to more
The book fall of reach, or the game
Like how halsey has no idea Spartans other than her own exist in first strike, but they’re in reach
I saw the wiki say that Nylund had the “halo bible” when writing and I was wondering if - outside the games, would you be more inclined to say you agreed with something that stemmed from someone who had read and used the bible, to someone who hadn’t
Do the games override the books?
tacit charm
the games > books
unique rune
When Bungie was still in charge of the franchise, game canon superseded everything else but 343 prefers to place them pretty much equally.
I personally prefer the Fall of Reach novel to the game but officially it's just sorta one of those things you have to handwave a bit because Bungie wanted Reach to overwrite the novel.
tacit pecan
Like how halsey has no idea Spartans other than her own exist in first strike, b...
Well actually, she had some idea. It's why she took Kelly.
And went to Onyx.
Because she saw something about it.
gentle ridge
She did not know they existed till after reach
When she saw the file
So before 343 took over, fall of reach was not canon?
tacit pecan
And then the books and games retconned that.
Fall of Reach is still canon to an extent.
tacit pecan
The Kilo 5 Trilogy.
tacit pecan
When one of the chapters switches to Halsey's pov, she remembers Noble Team.
unique rune
fall of reach was not canon?
Stuff that didn't conflict with Halo Reach remained canon, otherwise the intent was for the campaign to overwrite what Nylund had written.
gentle ridge
Well the entire battle of reach is not canon then
tacit pecan
Also, again, she had some idea, which is why she wasn't surprised at the sight of the III's.
gentle ridge
Halo the flood says unsc ships cannot go in atmosphere
unique rune
It's taken some minor retconning but 343's managed to mostly make them coexist without too much obnoxious conflict.
gentle ridge
It's taken some minor retconning but 343's managed to *mostly* make them coexist...
The entire battle of reach bro
tacit pecan
She had been looking into Ackerson's files, after all.
gentle ridge
Autumn was nowhere near reach when reach was attacked
And when it arrived most the fighting was over
It never took part in the ground combat. It never went into atmosphere
There are so many issues I noticed
Irreconcilable
tacit pecan
The first set of books got rewrites.
gentle ridge
I know but it isn’t enough
tacit pecan
To match with the new canon presented with Halo Reach.
gentle ridge
You would need to tear out the battle of reach entirely
gentle ridge
Hard to find
tacit pecan
Amazon.
unique rune
The newer editions don't actually change that much. Most of it is little stuff like weird numbers and other oddities present in the original editions.
unique rune
Though for some reason The Flood reprint excised an entire bit about the Chief taking a shower at Alpha Base
Not sure why that was removed
gentle ridge
I at least appreciate the attempt to make it fit but it just doesn’t
The flood doesn’t even agree with fall of reach
Here is a question: what is harvest’s population?
gilded mason
Currently?
tacit pecan
Currently 0
tacit pecan
Well you didn't specify. 😏
gentle ridge
I think you know what I meant
I can understand sorta making things work like how fall of reach says none survived harvest by just saying they hadn’t hit unsc space - even though it took like nine months for the unsc to respond
But they evacuated half the planet
In contact harvest
tacit pecan
Contact Harvest did come out later.
tacit pecan
so either it was an error on the part of the UNSC, or they didn't find out until later that they were wrong.
gentle ridge
Again, they would’ve had like seven months to get to the nearest system
Which is almost as long as it takes to go across all of unsc space
And then you’ve got halo wars lol
What a cascade of bruh moments that is
So I assume it’s held that shielded Spartans in 2535 is just a game mechanic
gilded mason
It was just a mechanic, according to the devs. Then 343 went and made it canon for some reason.
gentle ridge
No way did they??
unique rune
It's either a gameplay mechanic or "prototype shield generators". At this point I don't really care
gentle ridge
Where ?
tacit pecan
Prior to Halo: Contact Harvest, there is no indication that there were any Harvest colony survivors or that Avery Johnson was among them. Though this may have been due to misinformation, as the details on the attacks were vague, and Johnson, along with any other survivors may have yet to have been rescued by UNSC forces.
gentle ridge
`Prior to Halo: Contact Harvest, there is no indication that there were any Harv...
Seven months
I can just keep saying it
gentle ridge
Ok which the novel says takes four weeks or so
In freights
Unmanned freights
That’s the speed of the ships they fly
And even if they got halfway there, they have masers able to reach systems faster
I am not willing to believe every single freighter broke down
queen kraken
tacit pecan
That should be Johnson instead.
gilded mason
Yes
tacit pecan
Huh. Thought that was made when Bungie was still in charge.
gentle ridge
What would we say is the size of the unsc and covenant navies
I was trying to keep an eye on what the covenant brought to a fight too, on average
tacit charm
around 2000 ships for the unsc
gentle ridge
around 2000 ships for the unsc
What’s this from
tacit charm
data pad 10
tacit charm
it just estimates the number of cov ships needed to glass a planet is equal to the amount of current unsc ships
gentle ridge
Ok
tacit pecan
Data Pad 10 is a collectible in Reach.
gentle ridge
What is it
tacit charm
wat
gentle ridge
Data Pad 10 is a collectible in Reach.
That must’ve been tough
tacit pecan
What must have been tough?
gentle ridge
To just tell me
tacit charm
as for cov idk 10,000 maybe 20,000
tacit pecan
I did just tell you.
tacit charm
tacit pecan
-_-
tacit charm
this is a very odd conversation
tacit pecan
Bro you asked and I answered
tacit pecan
So why the attitude towards me?
tacit charm
wdym i answered what the data pad was
gentle ridge
It was light hearted sarcasm
gentle ridge
wdym i answered what the data pad was
😑😑😑😑😑
Ok so what makes you think there’s that many
tacit charm
tacit pecan
It's literally called Data Pad 10.
tacit charm
it just estimates the number of cov ships needed to glass a planet is equal to t...
stuff
tacit charm
2000 ships were used in the estimate so there is currently 2000 ships as of then wen it was made
tacit charm
And I literally asked where it was from
wat
tacit pecan
tacit charm
because the assembly said so
gentle ridge
Bruh I know what it is now, thank you
gentle ridge
because the assembly said so
Can you show me
tacit charm
mind melted
gentle ridge
The assembly?
tacit charm
tacit pecan
Bruh I know what it is now, thank you
Drop the attitude, it's a link to the transcript.
gentle ridge
Drop the attitude, it's a link to the transcript.
There was no attitude big guy
You just never caught on
And that’s fine
tacit charm
the assembly is a group of ai that is essentially shepherding humanity
gentle ridge
What source has them saying this?
from what I have read in books
The navy seems split into three
Covenant ministries/elite councillors/ the prophets themselves
Seems to be the naval split
tacit charm
its not in the books i said it was from halo reach
gentle ridge
You said that the unsc was from the game
Not the covenant
I never asked for a book I asked for a source
tacit charm
just to get this straight are you asking for covenant numbers or unsc numbers cause we dont have any hard numbers for the cov
tacit pecan
No hard numbers but if I had to guess, I'd say somewhere in the tens of thousands.
gentle ridge
2000 ships is pretty shockingly bad
tacit pecan
That's lowballing.
gentle ridge
No hard numbers but if I had to guess, I'd say somewhere in the tens of thousand...
Best number I’ve seen is around 5600 or so
tacit charm
Thus, assuming the Covenant possesses a number of ships equal to that of the UNSC, and assuming that all of those ships are capable of generating and discharging the required power non-stop for the duration of the process, it would necessitate the combined efforts of their ships in toto for a minimum of 30.3801 years to 'glass' the entire surface of Earth. Myriad other variables which were not applied to this equation suggest this number would be far greater
gentle ridge
So they retconned glassing then
2000 ships taking 30 years
Did whoever wrote this not read the prologue of reach
tacit charm
seems reasonable though...
gentle ridge
They glass the planet in a day
tacit charm
it is noted this could of been low orbit glassing (personally i just think its just the cov using their plasma torpedoes) and the calcs was done like a year after the war began
but
gentle ridge
Seems terrible
Do you know what size mac rounds are
160, 600, a few tons
Those are the figures
Plus the super mac is what 3000 tons?
Also I noticed
tacit charm
still doesnt change the fact unless they have an enormous as fleet similarly to high charity the cov cannot realistically glass an entire planet within the span of a week or two
gilded mason
We know the Earth ODP MACs are "multi-ton"
tacit charm
3000 were the odps at reach
gentle ridge
fact
It’s not a fact
tacit charm
We know the Earth ODP MACs are "multi-ton"
so annoying
and fires several km per second
gentle ridge
Was it even that fast?
tacit charm
that depends
gentle ridge
Lol so all the odps at earth can’t even match a damn frigate mac lol
Makes zero sense
gilded mason
Lol so all the odps at earth can’t even match a damn frigate mac lol
It's most likely that they scaled down the frigate MACs as well
tacit charm
it was 600 tons
gentle ridge
The Iroquois is 8000 tons
tacit charm
The Iroquois is 8000 tons
wat when?
gentle ridge
Fall of reach
tacit charm
thats much heavier than the smacs
gentle ridge
And it weighs more than some covenant ships
humble yacht
how many spartans does a mac round weigh
tacit charm
alot
gilded mason
4
tacit charm
yes
tacit charm
oh i misread mass for macs my bad
humble yacht
no, mass is what Carter had
gentle ridge
Contact harvest says a Mac is 160 tons
tacit charm
but destroyers weigh around a million tons i think in halopadia
gilded mason
so 2 tonnes?
Yes
humble yacht
Contact harvest says a Mac is 160 tons
that's 320 spartans
tacit charm
other than those two books the weight of a mac round is never given again
gentle ridge
Rip
Nylund is a hero
He should’ve just wrote all the books frankly
Are we really gonna believe there’s such a disparity between reach and earth orbital macs lol
tacit charm
he would be a hero
gentle ridge
Multi ton slug going supersonic. Yeah that’ll really dent a covenant ship
tacit charm
if he didnt confuse everyone for like the past 20 years wtf point four-tenths actually is
tacit pecan
no, mass is what Carter had
XD
gentle ridge
if he didnt confuse everyone for like the past 20 years wtf point four-tenths ac...
Lol did he ever come out and say it
gentle ridge
So how fast is it
tacit charm
4% speed of light
gentle ridge
Thought so
gentle ridge
Doesn’t make sense to me
humble yacht
speed of light is 3e8 m/s iirc
tacit charm
299,279,some last three digits per second
gilded mason
4% of c is about 11991 km/s
tacit charm
hence why i said round up
gilded mason
Ah, you already said that
gilded mason
Shush, you
gentle ridge
What do we have for ftl speed
tacit charm
gentle ridge
Again, it’s nylund
tacit charm
umm
humble yacht
FTL isn't actually ftl
gentle ridge
16 light years in like 13 hours
humble yacht
it bends space rather than accelerates mass beyond c
gilded mason
FTL here is just traveling into a shortcut dimension
tacit charm
apparently the pillar of autumn going from the edge of the reach system to rally point zulu in the span of 20 mins
gentle ridge
That’s not ftl
Still fast
Fall of reach has some very fast speeds
Plasma torpedo goes to like half the speed of light
humble yacht
think of it this way
tacit charm
no i think people thought it was like the actual edge of the system like somewhere in the oort cloud i think hence you get ftl eh
humble yacht
light is a car going 80 mi/hr, you are a ship going 5 mi/hr
tacit charm
unless its in for people have given lines from first strike
as a measure of distance
humble yacht
you travel 1 foot from point a to point b but the light travels 100 mi from the same point a to the same point b (lots of loops). are you actually faster than light?
gentle ridge
Oni brass gives us a speed for slipspace
For unsc ships
And covenant is given in ghost of onyx
With the speed disparity it’s a miracle that the unsc didn’t lose
It’s like 355x slower
Who would you all say is your favourite author for halo
gilded mason
Staten, Denning, and perhaps Shirley
tacit charm
dafaqs shirley
gentle ridge
Staten did harvest right
gilded mason
John Shirley. Wrote Broken Circle
gentle ridge
Such an enjoyable book. And it was his first. Mental
tacit charm
oh
gilded mason
Staten did harvest right
And Shadow of Intent
gentle ridge
Is that a full book?
gilded mason
More of a novella
tacit charm
the guy who gave us that random unidentified species attacking the elites
tacit pecan
Staten did harvest right
Yes. As well as being a main writer for Halo as a whole.
tacit pecan
Joseph Staten, aka deckard, was the lead writer and cinematics director for Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and Halo 3: ODST.
He was also partially involved in writing Halo 3, along with Luke Smith and Robert McLees.
gilded mason
We really felt that absence for Halo 3
tacit pecan
In 2020, Staten took on the role of Campaign Project Lead for Halo Infinite.
gentle ridge
I meant everything taking place after 3
tacit charm
i was talking about infinites story
gentle ridge
When I was reading the flood, the memories of the forerunner retcon came back to me and I got really annoyed
tacit pecan
Catherine Halsey makes a very brief "appearance" in the post-epilogue conversation between Mack and Sif under the pseudonym "Charlie Hotel."
Ah, I missed this detail back when I read the book.
gentle ridge
Yeah I finished the book last night
Google told me that
I was like what I never saw that
Almost finished Cole protocol
And I have to be honest
Just not that good imo compared to the others
It’s my second least favourite
I expected it to be a book about Cole and retaking harvest
Reading fall of reach genuinely makes me smile
Love that book
tacit charm
i liked the reprint of fall of reach where 343 kind of puts covenant being able to glass an entire planet in a week or two under the rug
tacit pecan
I expected it to be a book about Cole and retaking harvest
"The Impossible Life and Possible Death of Preston J. Cole" filled that role.
Not to mention the Halo Wars graphic novel.
gentle ridge
Are they novels or shorter?
I’m going by release at the moment
Not hopeful for the next book
tacit pecan
The former is a short story from Halo: Evolutions.
gentle ridge
It’s so annoying that I’ve read the original first four books. I wish I could just read the added things separately because I’m not reading the books again
Right now
tacit pecan
The latter is a short Graphic Novel that came with the Halo Wars Limited Edition in 2009.
tacit charm
isnt retconned to 350ish ships
gentle ridge
314
tacit charm
eh
tacit pecan
Well the Former was written by Nylund, so you should enjoy that.
gentle ridge
700 was the retcon and then they changed it
tacit charm
seems reasonable
gentle ridge
Well the Former was written by Nylund, so you should enjoy that.
Based
tacit pecan
I never expected to see anyone use that spelling outside of vs.
gentle ridge
Spelling it what?
I have some big issues with the flood, but I have to say, that elite councillor is like the nicest guy ever
On the ship that gets decapitated
ebon coyote
<@!294885989090983936> 7 hours in a library reading about halo?
yeah lol (apologies for the late reply im running state of decay 2 with a friend)
versed helm
didact seems to be a giant humanoid
that appearance in halo 4, he is a giant and mc is already much taller than other humans
tacit charm
you sir are as plain as a pikestaff
swift seal
didact seems to be a giant humanoid
didactic seems to be a forunner
A regular sized one
carmine sleet
The Didact is a Forerunner, there's zero doubt about what he is
terse lava
Wouldn't say regular though, as he was a Promethean, thr highest type of forerunner warrior servant
severe gust
Honest question
Could a bunch of legolo worms be able to use spartian armor?
im honestly curious.
I think they could. those worms are awesome.
unique rune
They would probably get mashed into a paste by MJOLNIR, considering they don’t really have much of a skeleton or strengthened connective tissue.
severe gust
Well, i would bring up the hunters armor those things are huge, and probably heavier then the mjolnir.
I think if enough worms got together, they could easily do it.
severe gust
Heck yeah.
The worms can easily pilot a mjolnir.
That would actually be pretty hilarious
terse breach
ya that would
severe gust
Yknow, thats a good idea for customization options.
We need playable hunter worm bois
i love them
unique rune
The armor is heavier, sure, but it was never the weight of MJOLNIR that caused problems for unaugmented personnel. Without the strengthened ligaments and tendons that Spartans receive, it was always the reactivity and amplified force of the armor that crushed and mangled them.
Maybe whatever connections exist between individual Lekgolo could be strong enough, but I wouldn’t be sure of it.
At best I think it’d just end up being a humanoid bag of eels twitching and spasming on the floor.
versed helm
ok so i gotta ask this, how are the engineers made exactly? like can only the forerunners make them or is it like the sentinels where theyre produced inside an installation? like is it possible to produce more during 4/5/infinite?
unique rune
Forerunner Builders and Lifeworkers created them originally by some unidentified means but in the current era they can be built by each other, essentially.
Groups of Huragok can come together and build new ones given enough time and access to the right materials.
versed helm
good to know, just wanted to confirm a suspicion i had
i actually wonder how sentinels and huragoks would interact with prometheans, i think it would be funny to see a watcher shield a sentinel
kinda hope prometheans are in infinite kinda just for that
carmine sleet
Depends on if Cortana's got control of the local systems on Zeta Halo no doubt
versed helm
good point, i dont know what would be cooler, prometheans teaming up with the older forerunner tech or them fighting it
carmine sleet
We'll just have to wait and see
Like, with how the story was after Halo 5, it'd be weird not to see Prometheans show up in some capacity so I'm also holding out hope they'll be there
versed helm
like imma be real here, considering infinites kinda blending artstyles now i actually wanna see Promethean's in the game somewhere, i wanna see how they simplify the design if they do
main rivet
Just remove some greeble bits and add a few harder edges and they’re pretty much there.
I don’t think the Prometheans are really that far off, compared to the other changes to the Forerunner look.
uneven crater
i got halo shadow of reach the book
is there anything else i should read before i read it?
humble yacht
It helps if you’ve played halo 5 and halo wars 2
tidal crystal
It's a great book
gentle shadow
The worms can easily pilot a mjolnir.
Ah yes, cause the worms can totally wear the body suit of mjolnir.
obtuse meadow
harsh agate
uneven crater
It helps if you’ve played halo 5 and halo wars 2
yeah played them was just wondering if i needed to know knowledge from other books
gaunt oakBOT
uneven crater
i've read silent storm and oblivion but thats all
versed helm
and if not that, then a list of the same?
i'm redownloading, but i can't recall the full list
humble yacht
you can look up a list of novels on google or halopedia.
torpid lily
Could humanity have possibly won if the elites didn’t ally with us?
Or the covenant civil war didn’t happen at all
versed helm
Covenant would've won ez dub
torpid lily
No they wouldn’t. I would’ve just intervened
unique rune
The Covenant came real close to activating the Halo Array even with the ongoing Great Schism and Sangheili-UNSC alliance.
If they didn't have to deal with an internal conflict of that scale they would've easily steamrolled humanity.
stable flower
I wonder how the Banished would fit into that
unique rune
Like a mosquito
versed helm
what did they do in halo 5 with team osiris vs team blue?
what is that?
Blue team went "rogue" after chief wanted to find cortana, cortana was doing some freaky stuff and Osiris was sent to capture blue team
That doesn't work lol
solid lion
Big bad old alien want to activate big grey ring for wife with help from midgets, some late 80s film monster, monkeys, flies, and birds but human find out the purpose of ring and have war, and a bad virus start, with humanity winning but with help from late 80s monsters, old guy awakens pug Voldemort inside a ball and uses the infinity gauntlet to turn people to orange dust and make robots out of dust, big red monkeys attack in some rts game I'm bad at while a a.i. goes sicko mode and master chief 1v1s a black guy with name name of door equipment, and halo 6 happens.
versed helm
The 4 run saga
solid lion
It's the story of the halo games
unique rune
...Sure.
versed helm
Circular ring warfare advanced
the green armor seems to be reminescent of doom
And the guns similar to Halo
carmine sleet
the green armor seems to be reminescent of doom
Green-clad heroes in games is not exactly a rare thing, Master Chief, Link, Luigi, Yoshi, Doomguy, all wear green
fair hazel
out of the blue they decide that there should be a spartan that rivals mc?
Blue team went AWOL.. absent without leave. So fireteam Osiris was tasked with bringing them back… cause you know.. it’s the military…
versed helm
Green-clad heroes in games is not exactly a rare thing, Master Chief, Link, Luig...
Yoshi wears green, he's actually just a bunch of toads in a suit
woven plaza
why do spartans play keepaway with a human skull
and what are the socioeconomic implications of this
carmine sleet
The multiplayer is a simulation used to train Spartans, they aren't actually using a real human skull
gilded mason
That's what Lasky wants you to think.
woven plaza
That's what Lasky wants you to think.
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strange sun
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tacit pecan
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versed helm
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tacit charm
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shy hedge
💀
carmine sleet
There's no Noble 7 in canon
humble yacht
But what about the limited edition SDCC action figure?
versed helm
Well then, now I know what I did not know
tacit charm
There's no Noble 7 in canon
thats what they want you to think
versed helm
Reach continues to be down with the sickness in canon
carmine sleet
But what about the limited edition SDCC action figure?
Wasn't that confirmed to be non canon?
carmine sleet
thats what they want you to think
Didn't need to tag me
tepid barn
Big bad old alien want to activate big grey ring for wife with help from midgets...
Kidnapped green chonk on steroids with luck and blue waifu win against alien
obsidian thistle
I have a few fav pieces of obscure
Seeing as that toy above is rather out there xD (non-canon that one is) lol
fair hazel
Hey cia
Someone mentioned the hydra MLRS-2 having the mlrs-1 engraved on it instead of 2
obsidian thistle
We need to update the image later. :)
And move the old one into a gallery for reference on Halopedia.
bronze schooner
Today I noticed that Gunnery Sergeant Stacker from Halo Reach and 3 was also in Halo 4 on Requiem
obsidian thistle
Yup. Twas a nice appearance
strange sun
Noble seven? 🤨
stable flower
I believe they're talking about Rosenda, who was cut.
tacit pecan
Today I noticed that Gunnery Sergeant Stacker from Halo Reach and 3 was also in ...
Stacker's everywhere except in Halo Wars
versed helm
are forerunners immortal?
tacit pecan
No.
stable flower
Rosenda was an auxiliary (for a lack of better term) member who would replace Emile if Noble went on an operation against insurrectionists
tacit pecan
They'd still be alive if that were the case.
versed helm
didact in the cutscenes seemed to have jedi powers
tacit pecan
He has telekinesis. That's not a Jedi-exclusive power.
stable flower
She hasn't appeared in anything, right?
Nope
strange sun
😔
fair hazel
didact in the cutscenes seemed to have jedi powers
Constraint fields.. standard on warrior servant combat skins
craggy sierra
didact in the cutscenes seemed to have jedi powers
Jedi weren't immortal either
woven plaza
Did the Covenant have a stock exchange
torpid lily
Yes truth actually became a prophet because he invested in Bitcoin in 2472
versed helm
Was Intrepid Eye mentioned in Shadows of Reach?
bronze schooner
Stacker's everywhere except in Halo Wars
Not in Halo 2, ODST, and 5
tacit pecan
He was in Halo 2, and ODST.
carmine sleet
If you mean the police officer that sounds like Stacker, that's not Stacker, he just has the same VA
remote spruce
stacker also appears in ODST in marine form
tacit pecan
If you mean the police officer that sounds like Stacker, that's not Stacker, he ...
No, I wasn't referring to the police officer.
woven plaza
Yes truth actually became a prophet because he invested in Bitcoin in 2472
i know you joke but i imagine given how the Prophets/San Shyuum act, I would not be surprised if at some point, the seats of the heirarchs were straight up bought
main rivet
i know you joke but i imagine given how the Prophets/San Shyuum act, I would not...
I would say the direct parallel is to figures like medieval popes—there's clearly some barter involved with getting Truth, Regret, and Mercy to usurp the previous one, if not actual currency.
covert lynx
Yes truth actually became a prophet because he invested in Bitcoin in 2472
"Is it too late to invest in Bitcoin in 2472? The answer may not be what you think!"
terse lava
There is also the tie in, that Hierarchs can choose from a list of names previous ones had.
versed helm
Perhaps it’s meant to represent the conflict between the Roman Catholic Church and the other denominations
Also, better yet, there is quite literally an event called the great schism, similar to the Christian schism
There is, without a doubt, many religious references to many different religions.
tacit charm
ancient humans and elites during halo 2
one made a cult the other believed they were perfect
carmine sleet
So is there flood cults?
Within the Covenant, there was a group known as the Governors of Contrition, which believed that not only that the Forerunners created the Flood but that it was also a perfect life form
carmine sleet
ancient humans and elites during halo 2
None of the Elites encountered in Halo 2 worshipped the Flood
tacit charm
during the events of halo 2 i.e in that timeline not the actual game
if you want to be specific ghost of onyx
carmine sleet
Most people are going to assume you mean the game if you mention Halo 2, not the events surrounding it from other pieces of lore
It'd be like me saying Guilty Spark is alive in Halo 4. While not wrong about him being alive at the time, it's misleading as it makes it seem like he's in the game when he isn't
versed helm
uh? arbiter dies at the end of halo wars. Is that death canon?
unique rune
The Arbiter in Halo Wars is a different Arbiter from the one that appears in Halo 2-onwards.
versed helm
uhm, they all have the same body, color, face
versed helm
is the voice actor the same?
tacit charm
no
gilded mason
Nope
humble yacht
Halo wars takes place like 20 years before halo 2
Yeah, you probably just weren’t paying attention to the setting and the context clues
terse lava
Yep
tacit charm
nay
gentle ridge
Is broken circle a good book
carmine sleet
Yes
gilded mason
Yes
carmine sleet
Just for the simple fact of there being a bunch of Elites living in the ruins of a shield world alone it's worth reading
gilded mason
Yeh
carmine sleet
Like, it's such a cool idea and I really hope we see the Ussans again soon
gilded mason
Same. I wanna see how they're holdin' up in this expansive galaxy
gilded mason
Correct
carmine sleet
I want to know if there's been Elites from Sanghelios who have decided to join up with them honestly
carmine sleet
Not all the Elites agreed with joining with the Prophets
gentle ridge
I’m on page 21
gilded mason
I want to know if there's been Elites from Sanghelios who have decided to join u...
That'd be pretty neato.
versed helm
I have the book rn, give me your location and I'll throw it over
terse lava
Don't forget, the Ussans also ||have Enduring Bias still||
Wonder if that will have any effect with the guardians
normal arch
could i say... rant about my spartan
by rant i mean an essay about my multiplayer spartans background and lore.
humble yacht
That’s more something for a fanfic site
This channel is for discussing actual Halo lore
gentle ridge
Is there a lore reason for why halfjaw isn’t disgraced
Cole protocol puts forward the idea that an injured elite is the lowest of the low, traditionally killed iirc
If not they kill themselves, or run at the enemy till they die
gilded mason
Because not all Elites think the same way like automatons.
craggy sierra
Because early Halo lore is kinda scuffed and paints the covenant as being a society that should not even be functional let alone space faring and dominant.
Things like that have gotten retconned to make them be less...insane.
gilded mason
Yeah
craggy sierra
They'll walk away with bruised egos. Not infection laden wounds they refuse to medicate.
gilded mason
(Even in the story he first lost his jaws, getting injured wasn't really seen as a big deal. What with the scene where Rtas got badly stabbed in a training exercise and the most people reacted to it was concern about the giant wound.)
gentle ridge
Because not all Elites think the same way like automatons.
It’s literally their culture put forward by Cole P
Hard to parse what’s true and what isn’t
Broken circle contradicts this notion too
gilded mason
Basically, just assume whatever culture or personality you see is limited in viewpoints, since we see so many contradictions to how they act.
gentle ridge
It’s just another reason I’m not a big fan of Cole protocol
gilded mason
Same, wasn't a fan of the mindsets presented in that book.
gilded mason
Things like the blood, doctors, weird-ass honor stuff, etc
gentle ridge
Keyes is about the most enjoyable aspect to me.
gentle ridge
Things like the blood, doctors, weird-ass honor stuff, etc
Right
Elite doctors having no honour
I think the book has engineers able to be medics?????
I’m just like, wtf
Enjoying broken circle a lot
Hundred pages in
Flood is far worse for continuity idiocy but I prefer it
To Cole protocol
fair hazel
There’s machines that take care of medical stuff like in hunters in the dark.
In halo 5 some sangheili hold that view but not all.
carmine sleet
I think the book has engineers able to be medics?????
There's a version of Huragok that specialises in healing biological creatures in lore, as seen in Last Light
fair hazel
The covenant didn’t seem to have those
woven plaza
The covenant didn’t seem to have those
I think Lifeworker Huragok are supposed to be super super rare, even compared to Engineers
Though given the scale of the galaxy, and the number of engineers I'm extremely sadly forced to put out of misery on the Ark, I wonder what exactly 'rare' means
i always feel baaaaaaaad when killing engineers they just want to float and fix things :(
carmine sleet
I want to hug them
woven plaza
they're probably very squishy i think
carmine sleet
Well they do float kinda like balloons filled with helium so it'd be odd if they weren't squishy
woven plaza
right but do they have rigid bits, or is it 100% floating space jellyfish
versed helm
I want to fist bump one
fair hazel
@obsidian thistle Is there a page for the halo 4 teams? The different animals depending on the team in multiplayer. Too many people, even some who should know better, are under the impression that the animals have been absent from halo since halo CE-2
fair hazel
I think Lifeworker Huragok are supposed to be super super rare, even compared to...
We only know of lifeworker huragoks from that one book so, I guess the keepers are the only ones who've had them. Will they appear in the new book? I hope so
terse lava
The Lifeworker Huragok i would say are pretty rare, seeing as we have never seen one, as they are green, rather then pink
swift locust
What’s the timeline of the human-forerunner war vs when the rings were fired? Just started re-reading Cryptum and it said the human wars were like 10,000 years ago
terse lava
Yeah, the human forerunner wars lasted for 1000 years, and happened 10,010 years before the rings fired.
swift locust
cool
wispy wasp
imagine if we got wellsley
torpid lily
How much of a lasting impact did the glassing of Africa have on earth