#lore-and-universe

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viscid trout
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Apparently the precursors decided they wanted to experience getting wiped out, no I am not kidding, they actually decided that hey, might be a fun experience to get wiped out. Least that's what I heard,

slim thorn
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Another is the Forerunners were provoked when the Precusors intend to have the humans inherit the Mantle of Responsibility

humble yacht
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That’s not really a reason why they lost

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That’s just the reason for the war

tacit charm
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they let them

tidal crystal
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Huh well thanks for the info guys!

tepid barn
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Yea the “strongest” or you can say the species with the most knowledge is the precursors Halo wise

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Well they would be the strongest in the Halo verse

torpid lily
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How long was the period between the firing of the array and the reseeding of life

terse lava
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A few years, the forerunners monitored the galaxy after the firing of halo. Once it was considered safe, humans were reseed first, then the rest of life over thr following centuries, with thr San'Shyuum being last

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@torpid lily

torpid lily
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Thank you

terse lava
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Welcome

prisma steppe
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Why are there plenty of San Shyuum within the covenant council but none within the military

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And why are they all old

undone otter
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if a spartan gets infected by the flood the unsc is aloud to nuke the facility with any lethal weapon

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i speak faxs

terse lava
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@prisma steppe the Covenant's Writ of Union declared that thr Sangheili would serve as the military and protectors of thr San'Shyuum. Thr San'Shyuum in turn, would advance technology. In the early years however, there were some San'Shyuum who still served in a military role. As for age, they researched life extension technology, also the fact they are heavily inbred

prisma steppe
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So are there worlds filled with specifically san shyuum civilians that just hang out? None of them want to join the military?

main rivet
# tacit charm they let them

I wouldn't say "they let them", given that only some of them proceeded with "let's dehydrate ourselves and come back as <s>a pizza</s> Flood.

main rivet
prisma steppe
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“Less than 1000 after the fall of high charity” according to the Halo 3 Limited Edition Bestiarum

terse lava
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@prisma steppe the book, Shadow of Intent, comments on how there were vessels fleeing high Charity, that were capable of carrying thousands.

tacit charm
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they have in the past died for fun and in this scenario it was just more like wat should we do? meh just let them piss on us and find out

tacit charm
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but yes anything from a condor gunship to a nova bomb is allowed use against flood infected Spartans

slender rock
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Does anyone know if any new information has come out regarding a mysteries species in Halo called the 'Meddlers?' Ever since I've seen that terminal video from Halo CEA I've wanted to know more! However, I don't think they've had much more information come forth since.

gilded mason
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We know nothing more of the aliens that crashed on 04 in the CEA terminals, and I doubt we ever will. (Though I don't think any official source has ever called them 'meddlers'.)

carmine sleet
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I don't think we need to know more about them

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Let there be some mystery in Halo

gilded mason
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Ye

carmine sleet
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And isn't meddlers less of a term referring to a single species and more just used in general regarding those who trespass on Halo rings by Spark?

gilded mason
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Yeah

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I think Spark first talked about "meddlers" by seeing the Covenant arrive on 04 and being like, "Oh, some meddlers, hmph."

carmine sleet
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Aye, yeah, thought so

tacit charm
lethal urchin
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but seriously, 343 GS said in H2 "Oracle? Great Journey? Why do you meddlers insist on using such inaccurate verbiage-"

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to the arbiter

tacit charm
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meddlers in that context just refers to the actual word of meddlers not another species

humble yacht
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There are meddlers and then there are The Meddlers

tidal crystal
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Do we know if all the events in halo come from our like timeline? Are all the events like WW2 canon in halo?

prisma steppe
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The world as we know it according to the lore began after the first firing of the halo array and the reseeding pre-human history

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All dates and times are within the same timeline we are experiencing now

languid tundra
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I bet that spartans are really good at guitar hero
They have heightened refleces and reaction times

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Just imagine buck being the top player of all time and breaking records

remote spruce
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dance dance revolution stonks

versed helm
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They'd break the machine, as well buck would need a giant guitar to play gh3

tidal crystal
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Wouldn’t Spartans like just kill everyone in any activity? Whether it’s physical or mental? Like with their reflexes they could clap at any video game and their physical capabilities are just unmatched

woven plaza
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Does the UNSC have a Central Reserve Bank? What are the socioeconomic implications of this?

remote spruce
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that is a very good question i don't think there's an answer

versed helm
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Spartan War Games kind of answers it

prisma steppe
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I thought it was mostly physical and psychomotor prowess

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and not as much intellectual ability

steel stone
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I just noticed the original Halo 2 Flood Juggernaut looks just like the Flood Carrier form but just with longer arms and legs..

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Is there a connection between the two? or just a coincidence?

prisma steppe
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lazy artists

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They both explode when shot, so its reasonable to say that a juggernaut may stem from a carrier or they are otherwise related.

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"In the book The Art of Halo there is a concept sketch of the Flood Carrier Form that looks just like the Juggernaut."

unique rune
# prisma steppe and not as much intellectual ability

It kinda depends from generation to generation. Spartan-II’s candidates were supposed to have been pulled from those who were both physically and mentally promising, while also needing to match specific genetic markers for augmentation. Plus they received a pretty thorough education as part of the S-II program.
Spartan-III had looser requirements and required an expedited training period so their education was less in-depth in most respects but they still had to be pretty sharp.

prisma steppe
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What intelligence means in this case has not be addressed either

unique rune
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Spartan-IV’s candidate pool is a little different so it’s a weird combination of previous service feats, mental prowess, and other factors so it’s just kinda.
Spartans are generally going to be on the more intelligent end of the spectrum.

steel stone
languid tundra
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I think im gonna write a fanfic where all the dead IIs who were killed by augmentations were flash cloned and augmented again

prisma steppe
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I am not a psychologist, but its safe to say that these are all different and some people have more of one than another.

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I noted the ones that are probably the most relevant.

unique rune
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I mean, yeah, I’m not going to disagree with that.

prisma steppe
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Especially with the manner in which the augmentations are administered. Is it supposed to be a neuroplasticity enhancement? Only certain parts of the brain? Better blood flow to the brain and in turn a boost to mental awareness and processing speed?

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I don't know if any of these are mentioned in the lore.

humble yacht
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It’s a mixture of increased blood flow and altering the myelin sheaths, iirc

prisma steppe
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Neat. If you find the source I'd love to read more about it.

humble yacht
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Halopedia provides that info

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Just search Project Aster

prisma steppe
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So in the case, enhanced myelin sheaths are going to allow for quicker retrieval of information and snappier thinking.

unique rune
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The super-myelinated sheaths or whatever it’s called goes back all the way to The Fall of Reach novel.
And then subsequent generations all have their own variations on the concept.

Don’t remember where blood flow stuff would’ve first popped up.

prisma steppe
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High blood flow would deter mental fatigue and increase awareness.

humble yacht
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The increased blood flow is what they did to the capillaries

prisma steppe
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hell yeah I love that someone at least noted it

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lore good

tidal crystal
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I love how full discussions can come from the simplest things

unique rune
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Sometimes I still wonder how Maj. Vaughan’s customized M41 SPNKr is supposed to work, with how the launch tubes are meant to be entirely disposed of after firing.

humble yacht
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Get the scientists working on the tube technology, immediately.

covert dawn
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So by firing the halo rings didn't the forerunners do exactly what the flood wanted? If they had infected the entire galaxy they would've just starved or moved onto another galaxy and starve again basically resetting the universe

gilded mason
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Using the Halos, life was able to grow again in the galaxy, that would not have been possible if the Flood infected everything

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And at that point in time, anything infected by the Flood would have been tortured in a hellscape for eternity

unique rune
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The Flood wanted to join all life together in eternal suffering. Activating the Halo Array denied them that. Or at the very least delayed it.

gilded mason
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Yup

covert dawn
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I think as the flood the precursors still wanted unity for all life but in a twisted way

gilded mason
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As Nova said

covert dawn
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Yeah basically suffering instead of peace after the powder got corrupted

tame steeple
slender rock
tame steeple
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👍🏼

ocean ibex
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The librarian cataloged hundreds of species that have not yet been encountered by humanity or the covenant

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So anything is possible

jolly jay
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Wasint there that one guy in the beggining of nightfall? Ive only watched it once, not a fan but I thought they intraduced a new species at the beggining.

main rivet
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The Yonhet, yes.

versed helm
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I wonder if we'll ever see Luro Taralumee make a return since he's still out there somewhere

tepid barn
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ig

versed helm
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So I am at the end of The Duel and ngl, I like the look of Haka's armor

terse lava
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Its not bad, I like it

versed helm
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Still sad to see Fal die though

unique rune
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It's a cool looking set of armor but I gotta say the resemblance to samurai armor is a little... comical.

gilded mason
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Agreed

versed helm
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Yep

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I'm still wondering about the year 2589

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So what could've happened in between 2561 to 2589?

tepid barn
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probably short firefights between us and the insurrectionists

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or killing remaining covenant followers idk

ocean ibex
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A lot could’ve happened, one of the notable events being master chief’s funeral

tidal crystal
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Do we have a Canon death of master chief yet?

gilded mason
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No.

covert dawn
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Master chief's technically died twice with halo 3 and 5 marketing but both were debunked in-universe

carmine sleet
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That means he didn't die

bronze schooner
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He never will die

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He’ll just go MIA

gilded mason
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He'll hopefully retire so that other protagonists can be used

bronze schooner
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Like all the other Spartans under his command (With addition of the Pilot, ONI, and ODST from First Strike)

toxic light
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I don’t think chief would be willing to retire based on his character

bronze schooner
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All he knows how to do is fight and kill

gilded mason
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He would. He's thought about doing so in Shadows of Reach

bronze schooner
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I don’t think it would work out for him

gilded mason
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Sure it would

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He knows more than just killing

bronze schooner
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He’s been fighting constantly since the Covenant fist invaded

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A little before but he had a break I think

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I don’t think Chief knows how to have a civilian life

terse lava
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Doesn't mean he can't change to civilian life

carmine sleet
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There are non-combat roles in the military too

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Though I believe Chief wants a change of pace so he can experience a life that isn't just fighting

prisma steppe
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He wants his cortana babe before he retires

versed helm
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Are their any halo novels or comics that I should check out before infinite anyone can recommend?

tacit charm
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halo shadows of reach

versed helm
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Pretty much anything that has happened recently

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Oooo thanks my man

prisma steppe
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Reason?

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Are lekgolo affected by the flood

bronze schooner
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Singular, they are deemed not good enough by the flood

prisma steppe
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Get out of jail free pass

bronze schooner
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They still can be killed by the flood though

prisma steppe
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Are there any instances of hunter forms being “killed” and the left over lekgolo worms reforming into another hunter

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I’m assuming that when one dies the entire colony isn’t necessarily kaput

main rivet
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Not necessarily, but we don't really see that in the games.

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Also, in terms of combat, it might be that the massive amount of damage need to be done to "kill a Hunter" means the remainder of the colony can't really survive on its own.

prisma steppe
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They cannot survive as singular worms?

main rivet
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Presumably they can, since we know the Covenant used individual worms, and I imagine whatever their form before Covenant contact and the necessity of fighting they weren't really running around in large masses like we see.

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But Lekgolo physiology is really not explained.

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Perhaps there's an issue with violently being separated from the larger gestalt; we know they they basically combine their intelligences when linked, so maybe pulling the plug in a nonvoluntary way has bad side effects?

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While the games aren't super-strong evidence, it's not something that's discussed even in the books when facing Hunters.

bronze schooner
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Then

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According to CE

main rivet
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Given that such a weak spot is never seen again in the series, or remarked on in the books, it's safe to say we can ignore that evidence.

bronze schooner
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Then again, the rounds used in the CE magnum are armor-piercing high-explosive

main rivet
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Yeah but the Hunters shrug off explosives most of the time, and given that the Hunters are made of independent worms it doesn't really make sense they'd have a "weak spot" insofar as no worm is more vital than another (as far as we know.)

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(I do wish the 1HK spot came back, though. Turning them into just bullet sponges is less fun. If they'd just redone the animation so it wasn't so easy to cheese, I think that would have upped the difficulty without removing a skillful option.)

bronze schooner
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There may be a superior worm kept near the back or neck and that’s what the “Weak spot” is

pulsar pivot
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Like a Queen or King of a Colony?

bronze schooner
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Well a colony is comprised of a couple hunters

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So not just 1

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Because Bond Brothers

ocean ibex
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Flood hunters are basically impossible

humble yacht
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Hunters are affected by flood, just not used for Combat Forms

woven plaza
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wait did i post something in here
gah i'm up too early methinks

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guess not
ANYWAYS

spiral jewel
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I know that there would be some conflict with some of the augmentations they already have, but is it possible for a Spartan 1 and 1.1 to receive the Augmentations that the Spartan 4s have (plus ownership of personal Mjolnir set(s) )?

prisma steppe
woven plaza
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still

regal topaz
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I feel like this isn't as well known as I thought it was as I told several people and they didn't believe me. Do y'all know that Miranda Keyes is the daughter of Captain Keyes and Doctor Halsey?

unique rune
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I think it’s fairly well-known here specifically.

valid hemlock
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yes, you can check it on the halopedia

unique rune
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Definitely not something made obvious by any of the games themselves until Halo 5. I don’t think the books were ever especially clear about it either

regal topaz
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I've told several people and they thought it was a big surprise or that I was lying. I thought it would be more well known honestly.

humble yacht
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Isn’t there a pic of Miranda in halsey’s lab in Reach (the game)?

regal topaz
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I don't know about Reach but I think it's in Halo 5

unique rune
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I don’t remember ever seeing one in Reach. Halsey’s Journal from the Legendary edition was the first explicit confirmation of the whole situation IIRC

regal topaz
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As soon as I heard that Captain Keyes was the one to go with Halsey to look at John-117 as a kid I always thought Halsey was the mother of Miranda.

gaunt oakBOT
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tacit charm
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oh

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not in game but in the halsey's journal theres both a drawing of i guess current miranda and little miranda

regal topaz
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The cutscene you're thinking of is Halo 5 where it does a flashback to her lab in Reach and we see a picture of Miranda on her desk.

versed helm
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Lab on reach, picture of Miranda in Halo 2

pulsar pivot
prisma steppe
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Yo wtf lol

swift locust
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it’s in a book or 2 isn’t it?

rocky mesa
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Who's seen RvB?

prisma steppe
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More like 30%

gusty star
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This is also not the channel to discuss it

prisma steppe
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You’re really cool

honest trout
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it is in a book, halsey mentions it in silent storm

near knoll
woven plaza
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it's not like it's gotta be one or the other
they could have more efficient lights and more dense batteries

near knoll
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when it runs out they from what i can tell, if i'm not being stupid undo the screws holding the foregrip in place and take it out, then recharging the Battery, which probably is WAY faster in 2560? whenver infinite takes place. i forgot already, i have reason to believe that it may also be a weight distribution thing

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the smaller the battery the lighter the gun, and guns are heavy enough on their own

woven plaza
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well i mean that's the whole thing about density, even assuming that whole foregrip isn't the battery, my unscientific guess is that it should be a bit higher capacity than 2000 mAh

spiral jewel
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As of 2559, I wonder how Maria-062 and her family is holding up with the Created running about and causing Mayhem

( "Maria-062 - Character - Halopedia, the Halo wiki" https://www.halopedia.org/Maria-062)

carmine sleet
gilded mason
versed helm
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I wonder where Miranda Keyes would be in the post-war era if she wasn't killed

covert dawn
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Probably still in command of a ship by the time the guardians emp'd everything

prisma steppe
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No RvB is all canon

versed helm
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No way it’s canon lol

tacit charm
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yes but actually no

lethal urchin
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they showed up in H3 and H4 after all

prisma steppe
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Facts

tacit charm
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i mean werent they just easter eggs

prisma steppe
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I think calling it an Easter egg is more of a coping mechanism for those who don’t want RvB to be in the lore

tacit charm
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but it isnt canon

prisma steppe
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cope

tacit charm
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denial

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delusional

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derange

prisma steppe
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Textbook stage of grief

terse lava
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It isn't canon, relax

prisma steppe
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It takes courage to realize the truth

terse lava
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Eh, know its just trolling but curious, what makes you think its canon?

humble yacht
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-_-"

prisma steppe
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The appearances of characters from RvB in Halo 3 and 4

gusty star
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Wow

terse lava
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Well that was a boring answer, what a waste

humble yacht
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What do you expect from droll trolls?

terse lava
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Used to more elaborate answers that almost make the trolls sound convincing. Those are entertaining to tear down

prisma steppe
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I mean it’s like asking “why is the arbiter canon”

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He’s in the games and extended media

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Ask boring questions get boring answers

humble yacht
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Let’s avoid spreading misinformation going forward

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Even as a “joke”

prisma steppe
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^

gaunt oakBOT
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tacit charm
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the arbiter is canon? watcortuna

prisma steppe
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This further proves my point

tidal crystal
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What happens if Spartans have kids? They would probably be like normal I guess right?

unique rune
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Presumably. The augmentations weren’t induced through genetic modification so they wouldn’t likely be transmissible.

burnt jetty
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Genetic Modification

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^^ But they were genetics, and genetics are exactly what's passed on, these genetic codes are now the Spartans Normal genetics... I feel the S3/S4 not as much as they're more like a steroid modification. Some of this Genetic code would be passed on... so Spartans (and Orions) would likely pass their traits along, creating a new breed of sapien... Just my thoughts...

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If they had any urge to breed at all... being brainwashed warmachines...

unique rune
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But they were genetics
They… they weren’t, though.

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Carbide ceramic bone grafts aren’t going to influence genetics. A platinum pellet implanted in the thyroid isn’t going to be genetically transmitted to offspring. It’d be like getting a pacemaker or titanium hip and expecting your kids to have one.

humble yacht
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Gene therapies, telomere lengthening

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There’s also the potential for any of the chemical augmentations to have unknown affects on the germ line, which could then get passed down (tho those wouldn’t necessarily be positive effects)

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The children of Spartans wouldn’t be super human, but they could very well have minor differences from children born to non-Spartans

rocky mesa
versed helm
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I guess you could kinda talk about it in general

rocky mesa
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Ok, thx

gusty star
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Yeah, general

swift tulip
versed helm
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so, snickerdoodle said in the last community update "i get goosebumps whenever i see REDACTED"

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I wonder if the Spartans who saved Agryna will be main characters in the multiplayer storyline

stable flower
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It was nice of them to name the academy after Sgt. Johnson.

chilly marsh
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Or something close to that

versed helm
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Sick where can you see that?

tame steeple
tame steeple
craggy sierra
tribal sundial
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I think it'd be cool for the insurrection to ally with the banished and some UNSC Regiments from the outer colonies to defect

humble yacht
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The Innies don’t exactly approve of what the Banished want

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It’s not like their interests align

bronze schooner
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Once the Covenant fell, many innies went back to shooting the UNSC

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And the Banished hasn’t touched them

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Because they’re on the Ark, 02, and somewhere else

humble yacht
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We don’t know where all the banished are

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They could be in many places, the Ark and zeta halo (I07) are merely two known locations

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They were on reach too

bronze schooner
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There’s also the Silent Shadows unheard from in a while

versed helm
tacit charm
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it means ONI Secure Contains Protects

minor sky
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So, does the whole "Covenant invade London" like in that trailer make sense with the lore or not?

fair hazel
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Why would it not? The covenant invaded earth not just one place. And multiple cities

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Just because you don’t hear about one part the conflict doesn’t mean it breaks canon somehow.

tacit charm
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it depends wat time it took place

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cause out of the cruisers accompanying regrets fleet one one survived and went to clevelend

fair hazel
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…. You know truth’s fleet arrived right after right?

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You played ODST right ?

tacit charm
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though if it happens a bit later than that then ye it could make sense i mean they also invaded cuba

fair hazel
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Like the day after. The fleet was there

tacit charm
vital kernel
tacit charm
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ye ik

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the fleet arrived around the time of the rooftop mission

vital kernel
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yes

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nphd???

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i dont remember the name itself

tacit charm
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ye

vital kernel
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call me insane but odst has the best story/gameplay in the series

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before ce of course

tacit charm
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meh

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its alright

vital kernel
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wtf do i mean gameplay

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gameplay is the same as h3

tacit charm
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wat

vital kernel
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halo 3 odst\

tacit charm
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i meant the story of odst was fine

vital kernel
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cant put it above ce

tacit charm
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i can

vital kernel
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ce made fps' what they are today

tacit charm
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while thats true

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the gameplay is just really outdated and laso is the worst in ce

vital kernel
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embed fail

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nice

tacit charm
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huh?

vital kernel
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nothing

vital kernel
tacit charm
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do laso

vital kernel
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halo 2

tacit charm
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when you're done tell me wat a good game it was

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halo 2 laso is much easier than ce

vital kernel
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are you high

tacit charm
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no

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ive done all the lasos

vital kernel
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the instant kills from the knights and the low ammo count

tacit charm
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in h2 theres only legitimately 3 actual hard levels everything else was kind of easy

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then back smack the knights

vital kernel
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i would i if i could without slamming my xbox controller against the ground

tacit charm
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then get good

vital kernel
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damn

tacit charm
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or watch halo completionist's guide

unique rune
chilly marsh
unique rune
torpid lily
minor sky
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And I wasn't 100% sure if those claims were accurate or not

versed helm
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Shaw and fujikawa must’ve become rich as hell

covert dawn
# unique rune Some of the visual assets used in the multiplayer cinematic are a little anachro...

My theory is that it's a simulation with spartans taking the place of odsts during the battle of London like spartan strike. It explains ehy the covenant have modern banished armor and vehicles since the unsc would want spartans to train against what they're actually gonna fight. Laurette is in the simulation because it's based on her own experience during the battle and helps introduce her to the spartans. Otherwise it could actually take place after halo 5 with the brutes being cortana affiliated hence the blue armor and they are patrolling the city. Laurette's appearance changed drastically in short time due to the augmentations and she rose to commander quickly because of how many spartans were lost on zeta halo.

gloomy latch
last anchor
# covert dawn My theory is that it's a simulation with spartans taking the place of odsts duri...

Not a bad idea, but maybe its not even a simulation, its just how the Spartans listening to her tell the story are seeing it in their mind.
I can see Laurette walking the line, telling her tale of how she came to be here to fire up her recruits, but none of them were there, they only know the Banished...so they fill in the holes she leaves with their own memories of what they HAVE known, who they fought as Marines or whatever else.

unique rune
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Honestly, I don't really like the idea of treating it as a simulation. The 'asset conservation' excuse is a little annoying but it's... fine. It's whatever. The whole point is that Cmdr. Agryna has seen first-hand what Spartans can do and it really stayed with her. Justifying it with the Spartan Strike route removes that.

The use of Banished-style Jiralhanae armor doesn't bother me that much considering the Covenant would've likely had an incredibly wide variety of combat armor being fielded at any given time. The Banished are already pretty much a band of scavengers picking up whatever Covenant leftovers they can get their hands on, I'm sure it wouldn't be that big a stretch to say the armor dates all the way back to the Covenant era and has just been modified slightly in the years since its fall.

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The little anachronistic tech bits are annoying but ultimately they don't significantly impact the core intent of the cinematic.

covert dawn
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I just think it's weird that if asset conservation is the reason then why is it halo 5 covenant phantoms and banshees instead of the banished ones we actually see along with the halo 2 styled odst drop pods

unique rune
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The Banshee model is hard to discern in the cinematic but it’s definitely a variation of the 26B, not Halo 5’s Type-54. It might even be the Kaelum Workshop model just redressed in purple to obscure the fact that it’s technically the wrong design.

covert dawn
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Also i think the spartan strike route doesn't remove that because even if the spartans weren't actually there it represents that even when spartans were almost extinct the unsc still fought on with everything it had like the odsts and if they could win the day with that then the spartan iv's have more than a chance to make a difference for humanity

unique rune
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And if it really is asset conservation, then there’s probably a good chance the Type-57 Phantom is going to appear in Infinite in some form.

covert dawn
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The forge is supposedly gonna be huge so i wouldn't doubt it could appear there but it's a wierd choice that they would prioritize including that over the classic designs that players would enjoy using more

dawn knot
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It's either forge

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Or it's a key MP or campaign section

unique rune
# covert dawn Also i think the spartan strike route doesn't remove that because even if the sp...

I mean. The whole point is that the Spartan name means a lot to the Commander. It’s pretty evident in the writing and delivery of her lines in the cinematic.

What is a Spartan? A Spartan is a symbol. Hope, where there is none. In times of darkness, we are hope.
Without the idea that Spartans were the ones who saved her from a very unfortunate set of circumstances, these lines lose a fair bit of their significance (and even relevance) in regards to Agryna’s backstory. If she were rescued by ODSTs or Marines instead, these lines wouldn’t hold nearly as much weight.

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She’s there training the next generation of Spartans because she knows, personally, what the appearance of the heavily armored, towering form of a Spartan means to people.

covert dawn
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I think it's just dumb 343 hasn't addressed this at all yet

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I like to think that there's a reason behind the design choices but they've shown with halo 4 they can really be that lazy so idk

unique rune
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https://axisstudiosgroup.com/work/halo-infinite/

Focusing on the recollections of Spartan Commander Laurette Agryna, the trailer delves into her own heroic journey as a young girl caught in the crosshairs of a battle in the centre of London 2552 AD, her rescue by Spartans and her inspiration to become a Spartan herself.

covert dawn
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Oh shoot 2552 confirmed

unique rune
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I really don’t see any point in trying to retcon them into not being Spartans. The particular assets used could be a result of any number of reasons but ignoring the minor technical anachronisms, there is no particular reason to forcibly make things different for the sake of canonically justifying odd visuals.

covert dawn
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So if it was spartans in 2552 it would've had to have been blue team or other spartan 2's or maybe 3's but it would've made the trailer even more heart felt if spartans we already know and love were given a sendoff in the trailer before we stepped into their shoes

covert dawn
unique rune
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There is a difference between laziness and making compromises.

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The asset reuse is weird and a little annoying, but ultimately it is very inconsequential.

covert dawn
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If it was inconsequential there wouldn't be so much controversy over it, they probably wanted to focus more time on the game than the marketing but bungie's attention to detail with halo 3's marketing is what made the believe campaign so successful

unique rune
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…What controversy?

covert dawn
# unique rune …What controversy?

Bruh what are we literally discussing right now, ever since the trailer released people have been discussing if the models used were appropriate or not

unique rune
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People take the visuals far too literally at face value and just miss the forest for the trees. As far as I care, that’s a failure on an overly nitpicky audience for missing the point of the cinematic.

covert dawn
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Nah this is the introduction to halo infinite's multiplayer, if there was one cinematic for them to get right it was this one

unique rune
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I mean, for all we know, the use of Mk.VII armor and other elements was a conscious decision to help emphasize the notion that our player-customized Spartans are a part of the bigger Halo universe.

covert dawn
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Still 343 knows how much fans care about the lore and if they saw how people weren't fans of halo 4's opening cinematic having the wrong models and still said duck it then that's on them. They could've explained it further if they wanted to but they haven't so if fans wanna nitpick than nobodies stopping them

unique rune
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Ultimately, does it matter that the Phantom shown is technically a model that shouldn’t exist for another 5 years? Does it matter that the Banshee might be the wrong type? Does it really matter that the Mk.VII armor is there a few years early for whatever reason?

The core message of “Spartans are hope” is still very clearly conveyed by what is going on in the cinematic.
The Halo games never have been and never will be perfect, all-encompassing canonical views of the Halo universe.

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I can get being annoyed by the “errors” but there’s a point where I think obsessing over them benefits nobody.

covert dawn
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It's not obsessing over them per say but after the content drought we've been through we're just used to over-analyzing every little thing that comes our way. Thankfully with infinite's release that's gonna change big time but until then we really don't have much else to focus on until the flight

fair hazel
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Uh there has been a bunch of news lately, drought?

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And reusing assets isn't something just said as an excuse, it's really what tends to happen a lot so yeah

main rivet
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Sometimes you've got to treat Halo canon as a running plot summary rather than getting hung up on the details.

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"She was saved by Spartans from Covenant" rather than "She was saved by a Spartan wearing ASCLKASOFIDF armor from Covenant that are wearing a XLAISDFUOI combat cuirass from the Banished blah blah blah"

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It's good to have someone minding the details (they should just hire Stephen Loftus already, but maybe he doesn't wanna move to Seattle) but as a fan focusing so hard on minor stuff lies madness.

fair hazel
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Also about people saying “they should know it’s not lore accurate”. They know. Hiring people to point that out isn’t going to help. It’s sometimes about dealing with the production realities.

versed helm
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it seems strange that sangheili are under a feudal system of sorts

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in a sci fic environment

fair hazel
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Why

versed helm
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technological advances are more or less tied to cultural advances

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in halo 5 they put that joke with a love poem. That could be explored in future game

humble yacht
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Lol, no

versed helm
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I played halo ce till the winter part and then watched the rest. I watched the cutscenes in halo 2 and 3 but didn't play the games. Did the story got worse in halo 4 and 5?

tacit charm
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depends who you ask

versed helm
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I think they are exhausting the possibilities by having games take place in a halo

unique rune
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I… what.

versed helm
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there are 7 haloes. After they explore them all, where to go?

tacit charm
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the ark

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the shield worlds

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literally any other colonised planets

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maethrillian

unique rune
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Space is a really big place.

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Whole lot of things to see and do.

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Not to mention we’ve only really explored bits of 2 rings thus far. Infinite is the first Halo FPS title to set foot on a ring since Halo 3.
Plenty of room to expand on things.

waxen fox
versed helm
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cortana being a villain gives skynet feelings

versed helm
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when I saw how halo 3 ends I was like "I wanna go to sanghelios to meet the arbiter's homeworld, family and culture"

tacit charm
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when i saw halo 3's ending i was like how many sequels we getting now

versed helm
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they can make as many as they want. The thing is that to produce huge worlds, dramatic soundtracks and cast professional actors costs money and time. You can't produce a game like halo in 2 years

gilded mason
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You can't produce a game like halo in 2 years
Yeah, you just need ten months. ;)

fair hazel
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WE went to sanghelios in 5

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halo 4 has an amazing story

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the halo story isn't contained on each individual ring, halo is expansive

wispy wasp
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Are the differences between the 2010 and 2019 versions of first strike that major?

unique rune
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Don’t think so. 2019 print should essentially just be a reprint of the 2010 release.

wispy wasp
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ok, I saw that it was a bit longer than the 2010 version and also because i accidentally got the 2010 version

bronze schooner
gilded mason
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No, just a rerelease

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Basically does a few minor edits

humble yacht
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Newer edition

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Like how textbooks do

covert dawn
# fair hazel Uh there has been a bunch of news lately, drought?

Content droght means gameplay and cinematics for us to get our grubby hands on. We haven't gotten a mainline halo game in 6 years and only a few campaign cutscenes/gameplay in that time so aside from the flights yes infinite's been in a bit of a content drought

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Which I'm fine with since it means we're getting a semi-finished game but now that after a year coop and forge are still delayed I'm really scared to think what infinite would've looked like if it released a year ago

fair hazel
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There’s been plenty of content to discuss since the last game about the universe.

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And lately we’ve had news.

covert dawn
craggy sierra
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Hopefully griffball is dead and Infection is absolutely not worth any amount of marketing

humble yacht
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I can’t think of any halo that broke down a list of what playlists the game would launch with as part of the marketing

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But that’s not relevant to lore

prisma steppe
covert dawn
humble yacht
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Back to lore discussion

covert dawn
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covert dawn
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So judging by what we've seen so far what do you guys think is the fate of the infinity by the time of infinite

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I don't think it's destroyed otherwise we would've seen some of it's debris

gilded mason
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"Destroyed" would be nice, though

humble yacht
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That’s what I say about Sanghelios postums

gilded mason
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Was waiting for you to arrive with that.

covert dawn
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I mean sanghelios did go dark in bad blood, if the swords continued to resist i could see cortana going the alderaan route

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Are guardians capable of destroying a planet?

gilded mason
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Not that powerful

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Mainly for "EMPing" things and has some moderately powerful laser weaponry

humble yacht
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The amount of energy needed to crack a planet is vast

gilded mason
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Yup

humble yacht
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Guardians do have personal laser defense grids to protect them from enemy ships, but that wouldn’t destroy a planet

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Maybe a city or two

covert dawn
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I think it might be under siege, if the unsc was completely alone at zeta halo then something big must've been happening to take all of the swords attention

gilded mason
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Though you could also say the same about Earth, eh?

covert dawn
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Well then again "i thought we were going home" does imply earth might have been reclaimed unless the pilot was just talking about the infinity or something

humble yacht
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The pilot may not be aware of earth’s situation

craggy sierra
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Is he even from earth?

humble yacht
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Could have been part of the original zeta halo exploration team

craggy sierra
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I don't think Halo's actually ever prominently featured a character in the games not from earth besides chief who's history of not being on earth is irrelevant to him anyways.

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Like everyone in the UNSC with a name is just from earth

humble yacht
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Really?

craggy sierra
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Johnson, Keyes, Lasky, Halsey. Like everyone in the games at least.

gilded mason
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Lasky and Halsey aren't from Earth

humble yacht
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Was Johnson from earth?

craggy sierra
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Well I'm off to insert my own foot into my mouth

unique rune
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Johnson was, yeah.

humble yacht
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Palmer?

craggy sierra
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Johnson talks about it in H2

gilded mason
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Palmer's from Luna

humble yacht
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He just said “haven’t seen her in years”

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That just means he could have visited

craggy sierra
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"since before I shipped out to basic"

humble yacht
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K

gilded mason
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Contact Harvest clarifies he's from Chicago

humble yacht
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That’s better confirmation

craggy sierra
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Or something like that. But he was there until he went to basic training.

humble yacht
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Where’s buck from?

unique rune
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Draco III

humble yacht
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That doesn’t sound like earth

unique rune
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It most certainly is not Earth

humble yacht
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I’m 85% sure Locke isn’t from earth

unique rune
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Grunts and Jackals ate some of Buck's family there
Good fun

gilded mason
humble yacht
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Where’s cutter from?

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Crap I’m asking dumb halopedia questions now

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Cutter is from reach!

gilded mason
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yup lmao

humble yacht
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Anders is from Arcadia

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Jerome is also not an earthling

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Waffle, eat both your feet

main rivet
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It definitely doesnt matter much in most stories, but it's definitely not true most characters are from earth.

grim sphinx
versed helm
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it'd hilarous if they added a cat or dog in the universe and then an alien meets a cat and asks "what is this?"

stable flower
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Are Spec Ops Elites specifically trained in throwing grenades or is that just a CE thing?

humble yacht
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It’s just gameplay mechanic, it’s not lore-based

covert dawn
unique rune
oblique juniper
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its just teleportation bro

covert dawn
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Well a covenant carrier's slipspace jump heavily damaged new mombasa so a guardian doing a slipspace jump right next to earth could do a decent amount of damage

versed helm
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is transluminal speed in halo akin to star trek?

oblique juniper
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transluminal ma nuts lol

unique rune
unique rune
# versed helm is transluminal speed in halo akin to star trek?

If I’m understanding Star Trek warp drives correctly, not really. Slipspace travel operates on the basic “crumpled paper ball” concept where a ship effectively takes a shortcut through an alternate dimension to otherwise bypass an incredibly long travel distance. The ship still travels through slipspace and sub-light speeds but the shortcut results in its overall travel time being technically faster than light.

versed helm
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uhm, speaking of star trek, halo takes place 500 years in the future. Star Trek 200 years

terse lava
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Ok?

versed helm
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I think that 500 years to develop long distance travelling makes more sense

unique rune
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I mean. Modern humanity in the Halo universe first developed FTL capabilities in the late 23rd century.

versed helm
tacit charm
covert dawn
tacit charm
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i dont agree with being overwhelmed even if the banished had 50 cas or 100 ccs it still would barely put a dent in the infinity's shield, but i do think the banished might have used some sort of forerunner devices and was able to destroy her escorts resulting infinity to retreat

gilded mason
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A single energy projector was able to completely disable the Infinity in a split-second

tacit charm
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well so far looking into cov shield and energy projector power output its true though

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also the infinity was caught with its pants down when that occurred

gilded mason
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Not like it wouldn't have shields in that situation

tacit charm
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apparently it did

gilded mason
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Yes, so if one projector could do that, more would absolutely wreck it

tacit charm
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also have a theory it may have been a superheavy energy projector tbh

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but it was caught with its shields down

gilded mason
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There is nothing that implies it had no shields in that scene

tacit charm
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apparently it was, so ive been told

gilded mason
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Did they tell you why?

craggy sierra
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The Infinity isn't invincible

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It's just big

gilded mason
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Yeah

tacit charm
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no some guy on hidexp just said it was and didnt remember why

gilded mason
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The HiddenXperia server?

tacit charm
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ye

gilded mason
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I see.

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The most obvious answer to this is that he was misinformed or deliberately was trying to play up the Infinity.

tacit charm
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he did say before the chapter it did state something about the shields not being up though im kind of too lazy to read spartan ops 2

gilded mason
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I heard the argument before, so I went through the chapters

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Nothing was said about shields being down

tacit charm
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hmm ill check eventually cause there is no way a normal energy projector at least with the same power output of a ccs or cas can do that

gilded mason
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Sure it can. Because we saw it happen

tacit charm
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shields could of been down also later in that comic juls fleet should of definitely of been able to take out the infinity if that were case while the infinity was being glassed on for several hours

gilded mason
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Because writing for these things is inconsistent. (And it looks like from the pages that the beams were either misses or grazing hits)

tacit charm
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actually that was when those ships just emerges later on you do see them hitting the infinity

gilded mason
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Had a look, and I saw one possibly get a hit

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But later pages had more ships involved with Covenant fighting them instead of the Infinity

tacit charm
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it did hit the infinity also u r telling for several hours they would miss their energy projector shots and other weaponry on board

gilded mason
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Sure

tacit charm
gilded mason
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Honestly, they shouldn't have written the Infinity in that situation in the first place

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But they did, and it had to survive for later stories

tacit charm
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again if a station with the same output of a cas or ccs was able to disable the infinity then why was jul so hesitant on a. fully deploying his fleet at the moment when the ships were still attacking the infinity why did he just initially form a defence line. and b. the halo 4 essential guide did state juls cas to be outmatched in arsenal by the infinity

gilded mason
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tacit charm
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also aside from maybe artistic licencing we didnt see the shields of the infinity flare up

gilded mason
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Shields are never shown in the comic

terse lava
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Well now this is a humorous read

gilded mason
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For basically anything

tacit charm
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i didnt know the comic was that bad/lazy

gilded mason
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There's a reason it's commonly laughed about

tacit charm
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i liked the inconsistence asf zealot designsPrideChiefv2

terse lava
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Yeah,, those comics are usually frowned on by the Fandom. Lets not forget thr famous scene of Halsey, tricking a contender class ancilla, the best thr Forerunners had

tacit charm
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convoluted plot about the absolute record and how halsey manage to hack a forerunner ai

gilded mason
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From a questionnaire terminal, even

terse lava
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I like to think thr contender was literally bored, and allowing her to "win" before leaving on a pre-planned departure

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It honestly makes more sense, unless someone can bring a convincing argument for the other. Which there isn't

tacit charm
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halsey is the librarianlumukle

terse lava
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Yeah, and chief is related to Born stellar, somehow/s

covert dawn
# terse lava Yeah, and chief is related to Born stellar, somehow/s

Wait a minute if he's bornstellar that means he's kinda the isodidact and if he's kinda the isodidact that means he's kinda the didact and if he's kinda the didact that means he's kinda married to the librarian and if the librarian is kinda Halsey then that means the didact who's kinda the isodidact who's kinda the chief is kinda married to his kinda mother figure

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In conclusion, sweet home alabama...kinda

tacit charm
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ye we know

terse lava
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And the gravemind is the father

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And grandfather

covert dawn
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So what does that make us?

gilded mason
terse lava
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Sorry Guns. Thats classified @covert dawn

stable flower
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Ol' Gravey. Wish we could've fought him.

terse lava
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@gilded mason nonsense

covert dawn
runic musk
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I have an odd Noble Six PC idea

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But I wonder, how silly can a spartan be without pranking everyone before something really bad happens?

gusty star
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🧐

steep charm
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"Colonel Holland, I may have disabled Relay Station Visegrád for the Vine."

versed helm
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I don't know if this has already been hinted but a threat of universal proportions could be some human villaian trying to be immortal with the aid of some tech out there

fair hazel
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Uh. How is that uncovers so threat

unique rune
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That just sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon plot.

versed helm
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This is just the plot of rise of the tomb raider

last anchor
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Del Rio wanting to live forever

gusty star
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Lmao

stable flower
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Seems like they just aren't gonna use Holland as a character anymore

versed helm
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I think they could make a joke about flat earth

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just for the lul

covert dawn
gentle shadow
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No more returning to Reach

prisma steppe
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I love reach

covert dawn
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The duality of man

dawn knot
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Toxic is typing...

covert dawn
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I agree with Feral i wouldn't mind another reach game

covert dawn
dawn knot
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He's someone here who I heavily associate with hating reach

covert dawn
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Bruh it wasn't a bad game for all the criticism

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I had a fun time playing it even if it retconned some things from the books

prisma steppe
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I loved Halo Reach despite it being so different

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I think its place in the lore is fine too despite it being somewhat different from other media

covert dawn
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I loved the little details like the whole story going on in the radios scattered across the maps

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Long night of solace remains in my top 5 missions aswell

stable flower
spiral jewel
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In the first 4 missions of H4, wouldn't John-117 have been using the MA5C, M6C , and the BR55HB , as that's what would've been on the wreckage of the Forward Unto Dawn at the time?

gilded mason
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Yeah, but it'd be a waste of resources for 343.

next jacinth
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even though humanity lost the battle for reach there was still hope that noble 6 gave them

woven plaza
versed helm
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sangheilies building giant statues in their home planet is a human thing

gilded mason
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?

versed helm
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in halo 5 they built what seem to be temples, but temples in the way that hollywood movies do

gilded mason
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A lot of things in Halo look awful to traverse in real life.

versed helm
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the sword of sanghelios mission has an environment that resembles Tomb Raider

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but with forcefields

gusty star
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Are you okay

fair hazel
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I just replayed through the level. A lot of it seems like places that once held purposes, some look big courtyards that make me think sangheili warriors trained there, but many in ruin both by time and the blooding years, leading to harder access and navigation, sacred sites scattered about, routes cut off and some opened up

woven plaza
fair hazel
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One that’s not a religious based one like sunaion

woven plaza
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well I recall Hilot was described as a more modern/forward thinking sanghelli state on Sanghelios so maybe a city located within its borders

tame steeple
tame steeple
tame steeple
tame steeple
# unique rune Space is a *really* big place.

Tbh, I absolutely love Spartans, ODSTs, and the UNSC as a whole, even the shady stuff ONI has done I’ve found interesting. But, I think it would be cool if at least one game they could have it where it doesn’t involve any humans. It could be about the Sangheli, or Prelots, or even some species we haven’t seen before, but the Halo franchise is so big and could easily be sooo expanded on

versed helm
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the halo universe does feel cinematic but I'm pretty sure that a halo movie would be really bad

tame steeple
tame steeple
gilded mason
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I'm not part of that server.

tame steeple
tepid vault
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GUYS I JUST HAD A BRAINBLAST

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I HAVE SOLVED CORTANA’S HALO 5 MOMEBT

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ITS THAT PURPLE MONITOR, SHES BEHIND IT ALL

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SHES SCREWING WITH CHIEF’S HEAD AND STUFF THIS IS INSANE IVE TURNED A THROWAWAY CHARACTER INTO ANOTHER GULTY SPARK

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Anyways

versed helm
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cortana being a villain feels skynet

unique rune
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Or... we could just go with the reassembled rampant fragments thing that's pretty much the official explanation for Cortana's current state.

tepid vault
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Well yes, but wouldn’t it be funny to make an unexpected plot twist that makes sense? Idk I feel smart with this

unique rune
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Why would it make any sense for Exuberant Witness to do any of that?

gilded mason
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<@&471731957529575445>

boreal bane
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Got it thanks

tepid vault
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Weren’t forerunners like ambitious jerks? Surely someone like the warden was pushing it too, he has SOME sentience right? Basically a tag team of a big robot you thought was dumb and a throwaway character you didn’t expect to return

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They did attack those weird god things that became the flood because they didn’t get the mantle and whined about that

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I guess the warden thought they needed a long awaited resurgence of power

unique rune
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Weren’t forerunners like ambitious jerks?
Some were, some weren't.

Monitors didn't have much greater ambition beyond protecting and maintaining their installations unless rampancy set in.
And even then the latter has basically just manifested as an extreme of those two goals in the examples we've had.

tepid vault
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But the warden is different I guess, we don’t know how he was made he could be forerunner turned promethean. Maybe influenced by the didact or some crazy imperialist

unique rune
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031 wouldn't have any good reason to manipulate anyone into...

I'm still not sure what the end goal of any of this would be.

tepid vault
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Maybe convinced exuberant to follow

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Or we just bring back the didact palpatine style but that sounds bad

woven plaza
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so is Exuberant Witness just chilling on the UNSC infinity?

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alongside a random Unggoy Storm?

tepid vault
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Idk why she’d leave her installation

woven plaza
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bored

unique rune
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She stayed on Genesis.

gilded mason
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I think Bad Blood said she went back to Genesis.

tepid vault
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Idk if monitors get bored

unique rune
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They can get very, very bored.

woven plaza
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clearly they do

tepid vault
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Bored? Skill issue

woven plaza
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considering exuberant witness made herself a small petting zoo

tepid vault
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Dangit

woven plaza
unique rune
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Spark got to a point where he pretty much just ejected chunks from Installation 04 for fun.

woven plaza
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000 Tragic Solitude went crazy

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and then doublecrazy after the battle of the ark

tepid vault
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Maybe that’s why exuberant got imperialistic

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Wait this is such a stretch but hear me out

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Rampant pieces of cortana just get sucked into exuberant and it’s basically just made her into what she is now

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It’s so complicated but I hate to see throwaway characters in halo

unique rune
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...No.

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Cortana's remaining rampant fragments found their way into the Domain. From there they were reconstituted into something resembling Cortana and then she took control of the Warden Eternal.

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There's absolutely no reason to rope 031 Exuberant Witness into this mess for the sake of some convoluted plot twist that doesn't even logically fit into an end goal.

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I don't even see why Exuberant would be considered a throwaway character. She's crucial to Halo 5's story and once she's played her role, it's not like she's unceremoniously killed off or anything.

woven plaza
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cough Jul cough cough

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sorry got some colo stuck in my throat

tepid vault
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I just wanted to see some resurgence of forerunner villains that were actually forerunner. BUT on some other hand I made some OTHER thing where the warden isn’t some easily manipulated dummy

woven plaza
#

Reminder that canonically, Spartan Edward Buck made a joke about coleslaw to Arbiter Thel Vadam

tepid vault
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Imma throw a bunch of crap to the wall and hope it sticks don’t mind me

covert dawn
woven plaza
tepid vault
#

OKAY so What If…? Jul was composed before he died

covert dawn
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I really hope the logic plague ties into rampant cortana

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It would be awesome to see her weakening the galaxy for a new flood invasion from another galaxy but i know it won't happen

woven plaza
tepid vault
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We have ourselves…

  1. A fully forerunner influenced covenant
  2. Some cool design
  3. A pivotal villain to the promethean ranks
  4. Basically replaces what cortana is doing but him doing it makes more sense
  5. Spartan ops people aren’t sad
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This is a what if don’t yell at me

unique rune
#

I'll be very disappointed if the Logic Plague is involved in the whole thing behind Cortana.
Blegh.

covert dawn
covert dawn
tepid vault
#

Okay now What If…? Warden betrays cortana and she dies

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Again

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We would get

  1. A WARDEN THAT AINT SOME MANIPULATED BABY
  2. Fleshed out character, he needs more
  3. Again, a forerunner villain that makes sense
    Idk what else
unique rune
#

It was teased in a loot crate awhile back
I still don't really consider that a teaser.

covert dawn
unique rune
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The canon of the LootCrate info is presented as in-universe speculation.

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It's not stated as absolute 100% fact.

tepid vault
#

Okay what else

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Hmmm

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OH I KNOW

covert dawn
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I'm not saying it's confirmed at all, 99% it won't happen but the conversation presented in that loot crate mentioning logic plague as a possible cause is canon

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Sorry bud but your opinions can't change fact

tepid vault
#

What if buck’s gang was the replacement for Osiris, they all became Spartans

unique rune
#

A possible cause from the view of characters who don't have the full perspective of things.

tepid vault
covert dawn
unique rune
#

I'm not denying that the LootCrate data tries to say that it's a plausible cause.

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I'm saying that it's not a teaser of anything.

covert dawn
#

It presents logic plague as a possibility which it absolutely could be

unique rune
#

What we do have that is concrete info on Cortana reaching the Domain and taking over is that she was formed from very blatantly insane and unstable rampant fragments of her former self.

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Logic Plague is a potential source but it's not one that I like, nor do I think it lines up at all with previous canon.

tepid vault
#

Whats the logic plague I forgor

covert dawn
#

Regardless what you think I'm excited to see how it plays out in infinite

versed helm
#

if they ever show baby aliens, couples and houses, it's going to be hard to create something believable and feasible

covert dawn
#

Mendicant bias is a good example

unique rune
# tepid vault Whats the logic plague I forgor

Logic Plague is a blanket term for a way that the Flood causes a sentient being to work towards the Flood's goals.
It can manifest in a number of ways. Usually it's used against artificial intelligence because they otherwise can't be infected.

versed helm
tepid vault
woven plaza
tepid vault
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Nothing happens it’d just be funny

covert dawn
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I'm not strong enough

tepid vault
#

Romance in halo?!?1??!! Cringe!!!!

covert dawn
tepid vault
#

Not if we stomp on em all the time

covert dawn
tepid vault
#

Wait

unique rune
#

Yeah, and?

tepid vault
#

What if

unique rune
#

That doesn't mean I have to like it.

covert dawn
unique rune
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So what's your point?

covert dawn
#

It could happen

unique rune
#

Yeah, I know it could.

covert dawn
#

Literally my only point

versed helm
#

Ever since Bungie left to make Destiny, Halo took a different direction

tepid vault
#

The jul mdama composed thing made the organic troops try to look for or reconstruct a composer

covert dawn
#

Then i think we're done here good sir

covert dawn
#

Partnering with Activision was a mistake

tepid vault
unique rune
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Sure, it could happen, but nothing official on it has been outright stated.
Even if it did happen, that wouldn't exempt it from criticism.

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If that's the direction 343 ultimately goes with, so be it, whatever.

tepid vault
#

Shoulda just made a new myth game lol

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That actually brings the question

covert dawn
tepid vault
#

Why didn’t bungie spearhead halo wars? They could do games like that so what happened for Microsoft to look for another company?

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Oh y’all heard of that new game about an rpg with guns

covert dawn
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Plus they wanted a company with more experience in rts

tepid vault
unique rune
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Why didn’t bungie spearhead halo wars?
Bungie didn't like the idea of other people working on their IP.
The Fall of Reach novel almost got canned because of it.

covert dawn
unique rune
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Eric Trautmann managed to negotiate a deal over the whole thing and get the novels published as planned which is part of why we're still here.

covert dawn
#

They were working on an mmo too but it was canned along with sadly the company

tepid vault
#

Did the people behind ensemble make that other company that’s basically just ensemble but nobody knows about them?

covert dawn
tepid vault
#

Yeah Microsoft really did them dirty

covert dawn
#

Yeah it sucks they had some good talent

tepid vault
#

Welp back to alternate universe ideas

covert dawn
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2009 just wasn't a good year for halo projects, i think the movie and chronicles were also scrapped that year

covert dawn
tepid vault
#

What If…? The banished was still the banished but it’s instead a jackal pirate armada

tepid vault
#

I think the UNSC would have either looked for the rest of blue team to handle it or something

#

Wait did the ring get destroyed?

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Or did chief just die to a rocket flood

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Well if chief died with the ring either the flood would hit them hard or the covenant would complete that great journey

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If he blew up the ring but died yeah blue team would probably step in

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Hmm

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What if

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Guilty spark never died, going mad and escaping to find something to kill the humans

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Imma just throw these out because they’re cool

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What if…? Master chief was an insurrectionist

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Everyone’s screwed probably

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Or

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What if Innies won and had to deal with the covenant now

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I’m talking to a wall but I don’t care

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What if the elites won the war against the San shyuum?

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Actually imma think on this one

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Bye bye brick wall

covert dawn
#

What if Alpha Nine found flood remnants in the voi exclusion zone, would the glassing leave any corpses for the flood to assimilate or would it be a simple mop up

lethal urchin
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it would be a mop up

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all biomass in the VEZ would be rendered inoperable to the flood by glassing

uncut kernel
#

hm

covert dawn
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Actually dropping them in would be the smartest choice, even if they did get infected the flood would have no way of spreading further. Once the unsc lost contact they could just nuke the area

lethal urchin
#

in retrospect I dont think we should trust that glassing would eliminate all available biomass as, well, the covenant have a poor containment track record

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i think A-9 was most likely dropped in or got there on foot and walked inwards

modern cave
#

i'm confused where the part of master chief and his teammates. were they family once?

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in halo 5

carmine sleet
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Not a traditional family

gilded mason
#

They are basically an adopted family

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They grew up together in Spartan 2 training

carmine sleet
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Basically they were all kidnapped as kids and raised together to be super soliders

modern cave
#

so who's master chief's true family?

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if those 3 people with him are not master chief's official family

gilded mason
#

His birth parents on Eridanus II are dead, I believe

woven plaza
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if the innies won against the UNSC i assume after some years of fighting, they'd either be wiped out or constantly on the run

carmine sleet
gilded mason
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Indeed.

woven plaza
#

i hope we see Blue Team and Red Team in Infinite

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even if it's down the line

stable flower
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I hope we get a better portrayal of them than in 5

covert dawn
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Oh and also the little girl from the starry night trailer survived aswell, forgot about her in hunt the truth

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It's possible then that his parents did escape but we'll probably never know one way or the other

obsidian thistle
#

Well we dont know if they are dead or not. 🙂 Johns parents are accounted for up to 2528. (4 years after their "official" death.)

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Source: Hunt the Truth Season 1 - Episode 2

tame steeple
tame steeple
tepid vault
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What was the sanghelli government like before they fought the San shyuum?

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I assume it’s a bunch of warrior tribes

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Or something

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Or well not tribes but like combat centered society

tidal crystal
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Yeah pretty much

narrow mountain
#

Is it explained somewhere in the lore how master chief was able to fall from space at the beginning of Halo 3 and survive seemingly uninjured? Did he hijack an escape pod?

void oar
#

Did the primordial weave his conscious into the fabric of the universe?

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Basically lives eternally in the background?

unique rune
narrow mountain
marsh harbor
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someone has a papercraft of the halo 5 helmet

unique rune
#

Re-reading Uprising and I swear the weirdest part of this comic to me is seeing the disparate bits and pieces of Forerunner structures from CE, 2, and 3 used to flesh out the interior of the Anodyne Spirit.

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I think there's even a piece from H2 High Charity used.

marsh harbor
#

what no hablo ingles solo lo entiendo un poquito

craggy sierra
#

They don't want to beat the entirety of the UNSC and there's literally no way that would be feasible and they know that. They just wanna be left alone and not forced to live under the UNSC government.

wispy wasp
#

I mean noble six is able to survive the fall from the carrier and most of red team at supersonic speeds from atmosphere too

gilded mason
#

For Six, he had a reentry pack for that purpose.

wispy wasp
#

Ahhh ok

unique rune
#

Y’know I always call it a door but I’ve never actually checked what exactly the chunk of debris is.
Maybe I should boot up 3’s campaign just to check.

humble yacht
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I thought it was a wall panel

unique rune
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It’s just kind of a… nondescript chunk of Forerunner metal. The shape kinda looks like it could be a door but it could just as easily be some random wall panel.

wispy wasp
#

I mean don't you see doors like that on the ark?

unique rune
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I don’t think so. Most of the doors you encounter on the Ark are more like the ones found on Installation 04 in CE.

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The keyship debris is sorta door-shaped but there’s like a buttress-thing on one side that Chief seems to have held onto during the fall.

wispy wasp
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Yeah, maybe the forerunner just built escape doors into their ships

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I gotta check the two again then

versed helm
#

is there a problem with halo and scale of things? Sangheilli on cutscenes are much bulkier and larger than humans, yet in game they appear to be about the same size of humans

gilded mason
#

is there a problem with halo and scale of things?
Yes

versed helm
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Especially if you're a new player, stuff looks wack

versed helm
#

the only thing that I liked in CE was the elite charging at you

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Elites charging at you after "RRAAAARRGGHHH"

fair hazel
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@vagrant spindle Let's keep it to actual lore discussion thanks

vagrant spindle
#

Is there any weakness to the flood?thinkingchief

remote sun
prisma steppe
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Thats the point of the halo array

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Kill the food source and wait to restart life

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refresh

covert dawn
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Forerunners would've held the maginot line if they had this modern technology

serene fjord
#

I finally beat Halo 2 on legendary, and being stuck on Gravemind and High Charity made me realize how terrifying Truth's speeches over the intercom are. It's amazing how full of deceit and hidden intent they are. Truly masterful writing

terse lava
#

Personally I am amused at how he is maintaining is calm composure. Sure, part of its likely he's getting away from the flood, but for all he knows thr keyship may not launch properly

serene fjord
#

Well that and the flat out lies about Mercy being there with him, ensuring everything goes smoothly

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It's one of the most terrifying things to me

terse lava
#

Never struck me as terrifying at all, he can't say Mercy was nabbed by the flood

tacit pecan
dawn knot
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How comes if the halo rings only destroy sentient life

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Plants survive

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And flood can feed on those

gilded mason
#

They kill anything with a nervous system

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And I don't think the Flood can properly propagate without them

dawn knot
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And why do games treat rings as the final solution

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When it could very well take years for flood to starve

gilded mason
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That's why reseeding only took place years after the rings were fired.

dawn knot
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I mean for example in halo 3

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Everyone is already doing tributes when the ark is still very populated with flood

gilded mason
#

Though in the context of pre-HW2, it'd be fine, since any base flood form left would have no hosts available to it to gain intelligence, so they'd be left trapped to starve eventually

stable flower
#

The Flood that came in on dispersal pods in Halo 3 are probably still running around

gilded mason
#

Base ones, sure. Though they're no threat on a world with no viable hosts

tacit pecan
#

I'm pretty sure the Ark had plenty of sentient life forms for the Flood to feed on.

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Hunters in the Dark described a bunch of different animals.

gilded mason
#

They'd all die if the ring fired properly, pre HW3

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And HitD had a very wonky view about how the rings worked.

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The author thought animals weren't sentient, and it ignores that the rings destroy nervous systems, so those animals would die anyway.

vocal pasture
#

ive played all the games, and im just now reading the books, im about halfway through Fall of Reach, what are some absolute MUST reads?

versed helm
#

I was day dreaming a bit. How about a storyline that involves a human baby being sent to sanghelios to escape destruction of a human populated planet?

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it would be about some human scientist with some connection to some sangheilli

ocean ibex
vocal pasture
versed helm
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the idea more or less is about expanding on that poem joke in halo 5

vocal pasture
versed helm
#

in halo 5 there a poem recorded by an elite expressing his love towards Palmer. Before ending the elite is interrupted by a grunt and the elite threatens to kill him

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the baby idea in fact isn't new. It's how superman begins his life on Earth

vocal pasture
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either way id read it

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especially in comic form

versed helm
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I didn't read about spartan

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but the storyline could include a virus hidden in the baby. One of parents could have done it with some genocidal purpose, an act of revenge

versed helm
#

dang, I really love the Halo legends: Homecoming

covert dawn
#

Yeah Daisy had a really good story, I'd love another halo legends if they ever considered it

versed helm
tacit pecan
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They're short films drawn in an anime style.

carmine sleet
#

Halo Legends was made by a bunch of anime studios, such as Bones, Toei Animation, Studio 4 °C and a few others

covert dawn
versed helm
#

so, in fanfic net there seem to be over 5k stories

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about halo

carmine sleet
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People love to write their fan fiction

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Which is fine since it shows they're passionate about the series

dawn knot
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Except when it gets weird

versed helm
#

weird how? mix themes that doesn't belong to halo universe?

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I just wrote down a list of about 20 - 30 things for a halo fanfic

dawn knot
versed helm
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shipping? fanfic going official?

gilded mason
versed helm
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oh, I guess some ppl want to see love

versed helm
#

certain things in halo are nonsense. If sangheilli shun doctors, how can their medical technology be more advanced than human?

gilded mason
#

Later lore goes back on that. And I just go with it being only certain cultures that shun them if it ever pops up again

versed helm
#

I was thinking on a "dwarf" Elite. Due to some genetic disorder he is shorter than usual and also, he wants to study medicine rather than die in battle. It would be a character that goes on to study medicine with humans.

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I'm obviously thinking on post-war time

gilded mason
#

Sounds good

stable flower
#

When did the UNSC start discovering Forerunner structures?

ocean ibex
#

A long time

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The UNSC knew that there was something under new Mombasa for decades

covert dawn
wispy wasp
#

they had technology advanced enough to completely skip pass powerful human defenses and yet didn't

carmine sleet
#

I don't think they considered it heresy to jump in atmosphere. Pretty sure it was just something considered too dangerous to do until Cortana was able to do it in First Strike and then Regret's ship in Halo 2

versed helm
#

when halo 1 was writen, did they write it as a one game only story?

carmine sleet
#

Yes

ivory crow
#

I’m sure they made CE they couldn’t have predicted how big the franchise would become.

limber dagger
versed helm
#

just noticed that the way they designed the sangheili is wrong. Their mouths are wrong. They woluldn't be able to talk in human form with those split jaws

limber dagger
versed helm
#

their mouth is always open like that because it's incomplete, full open at the bottom

limber dagger
lusty folio
wispy wasp
limber dagger
lusty folio
limber dagger
wispy wasp
#

it could've also just been both too

limber dagger
limber dagger
versed helm
wispy wasp
limber dagger
#

Although I always thought it was a little weird how there are at least 2 different occasions in the games when a human is needed to activate some important forerunner artifact and the covenant knows this, but no one seems to ask why lol. Seems a little weird that these powerful artifacts will only work for humans if they are an affront to the Gods, aint it boys?

versed helm
#

JK Rowling spent years writing a set of rules. I guess the writers of halo forgot to make a list of rules and philosophies

limber dagger
#

See there is the issue....one writer is able to maintain consistency thruout a story. When you have 25 different people writing over 35 different novels, there are gonna be issues there.

versed helm
#

maybe the same thing has happened with MTG

wispy wasp
#

it also doesn't help when you can write books with consistent laws and properties when you got bungie being bungie

tacit pecan
#

I remember one of the book writers was said to not know too much about the Halo universe in the first place when writing their book.

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Which just seems odd.

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Shouldn't you know about the existing lore before you go writing in new ones?

gilded mason
#

Ah, speaking of Traviss?

tacit pecan
#

I believe that was her.

#

The writer of the Kilo-5 Trilogy

steel finch
viscid trout
#

Think that’s her thing with any book she writes. She dosent read the lore at all. Pretty sure the reason why was super dumb

#

Think it was something like “it’s my job to write the books, not read them” or something equally as pretentious

terse lava
#

Think it was more she didn't want her views on the characters changed by existing lore

viscid trout
#

And look what happened when she did that.

ripe rapids
#

quick unrelated question

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ive been reading some of the earlier halo books, and was looking up how the covenant found reach

#

when was Operation: Red Flag mentioned by name?

#

its rlly more of a small irk for me; i understand halsey laid out the plan but didnt necessarily name it

#

unless i glanced over it

viscid trout
#

Simply put she knows how to write...but her views of the characters tends to jump to wild conclusions

limber dagger
# ripe rapids when was Operation: Red Flag mentioned by name?

I believe it was mentioned by name in The Fall of Reach. As to how the Covenant actually found Reach, the book does not specifically say. We just get a "They found Reach" line in the book and the invasion is on from there. I may just be completely forgetting something, but I believe it is possible that the Covenant were actually lead to Reach via some deliberate violation of the Cole Protocol. I only say that because of one of the core bullet points (https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/6/6e/DD_REDFLAG.PNG) from CINCONI was to purposely lead the Covenant to a colony world rich with Forerunner artifacts. At the time the plan was made, Reach was one of the few colony worlds left that fit the bill. Hood refused this idea, calling it "tactical suicide", but Parangovsky wasn't exactly known for backing down from an idea. So, it's either the Covenant were lead there purposely, or they just happened to find it like they did with numerous other colonies. Here is the Halopedia page for the Op. It may clear some things up for you: https://www.halopedia.org/Operation:_RED_FLAG

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That was all just pure speculation, of course. It's just based on the planning for the Op.

tepid vault
#

I’m just gonna say all IWHBYD dialogue is canon and you can’t stop me

#

Anyways

limber dagger
# tepid vault Anyways

I mean, you aren't wrong. If it's in the games and hasn't been retconned by 343, then yeah, its canon lol

tepid vault
#

Apparently it’s canon that grunts share human media so how many do you think have watched RVB or at least own an Xbox or something
(Yay it’s canon, arbiter can have a fanboy)

#

Wait so does that mean it’s canon that cortana takes diction?

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*dictation

#

I’ll assume so

limber dagger
tepid vault
#

Yes

limber dagger
#

I mean....i guess that makes RVB canon in some way???? The current day and age is canon as well since the whole of Halo has been said to take place in our universe.

terse lava
#

They are not canon

ripe rapids
tepid vault
#

So grunts might see RVB to be a masterpiece in filmmaking

#

9 methane tanks out of 10

ripe rapids
#

i couldve sworn halsey just explained the phases of red flag to the spartans

#

just didnt mention it had a name

#

altho it might be becuz the book is slightly diff?

limber dagger
ripe rapids
#

idk if they added stuff

#

ah prolly First Strike then

tepid vault
#

How many covenant species actually feed from a food nipple, grunts do it and I think elites too

#

What’s a food nipple?

ripe rapids
#

also to me i think that maybe ONI realised that the Covenant was tracking the PoA and decided to use the situation to its fullest potential

#

wait no not PoA

ripe rapids
#

food nipple i read tasted pretty awful

tepid vault
#

Ah

#

I thought some elite said he ate from it

ripe rapids
#

as to how it looked i think it was kind of like a baby bottle

ripe rapids
tepid vault
#

Hm, considering how grunts are like 13 and not even educated I guess they’d eat from it

ripe rapids
#

not sayin that other species couldnt have eaten it

tepid vault
#

I guess if you’re taking a punishment you eat from them

terse lava
#

Food nipples are pretty much mass produced for yhr Unggoy with that horrible protein sludge.

tepid vault
#

How DO elites eat?

#

Is it like bugs

#

I think it’s like bugs

limber dagger
ripe rapids
#

o

#

wait didnt a tracking device plant itself on the ship keyes was commanding before?

#

i assumed it was the covenant trying to gather more info

limber dagger
#

Yes, that was at Sigma Octanis 4 I believe

#

Maybe thats how they found reach?????

#

Ill have to go thru the book again.

terse lava
#

Its one way

#

Originally before Halo: Reach, that was how they found the planet. And knew to send a large force

#

After that game, the first fleet you encounter, those led by the supercarrier, found Reach through other forerunner relics

ripe rapids
terse lava
#

As the fleetmaster was.seeking out thr fabled forerunner capital

limber dagger
ripe rapids
#

maybe they crossreferenced it with the data they received from the tracking device and decided that Reach was worth taking?

terse lava
#

"They"? You mean the Fleetmaster of the first fleet?

ripe rapids
#

ye

terse lava
#

@limber dagger they didn't like sharing, they really didn't like halo wars when it was shown