#lore-and-universe

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humble yacht
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But in the context of the original trilogy and the covenant, that’s not relevant

languid tundra
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I just found something in halo: oblivion thats gonna blow bungie purist's minds

If you were upset at palmer saying "i thought you'd be taller" to chief in H4, wait until you hear a militia officer in halo oblivion say "yes ma'am" to chief in the same joking manner palmer did

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and guess what

chief laughed

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chief laughed at the militia officer's joke

strange sun
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now thats epic lore

humble yacht
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Oblivion is a 343 book tho

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Why would that blow Bungie purists’ minds? That would just make them double down

languid tundra
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oh

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yeah i didnt think that through

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but that joke still makes me laugh

undone cobalt
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Just read someone very accurately describe the MA37/40 as the AK-47 of the Halo Universe

wispy wasp
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is chief the only human to have gone onto high charity and lived to tell the tale?

plucky mist
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considering you rescued marines on High Charity during the Gravemind (I think?) mission in H2 and assuming some survived, no.

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I could be misremembering any event afterwards that would prevent it

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well the flood did infest it right after

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so yeah they probably did not survive

obsidian thistle
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A earlier version of Ranger mjolnir may have beem involved though

wispy wasp
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You mean we don't know who did it or there story, we just know it happened from armor lore?

carmine sleet
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It's a bit of both if I recall. Now someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think there's a short story where a character hints at having been to High Charity. Given when the story was set, it couldn't have happened during or after Halo 2

terse lava
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Yeah, that's from Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss. The main guy notes the differences between Jiralhanae, commenting on how some resemble the clean, shaved ones he saw on High Charity.

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Personally, I think he thought he was on High Chairty, but in truth was on a smaller station elsewhere

wispy shard
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Just me or does the lore on the human population (and even the alien populations) seem weird, like 200 million humans left but we don't see people really care

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Only thing I could think is the 200 million was the population of earth during the invasion because of evacuations, or something like that.

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Also only 320 million grunts but 8 billion elites?

grizzled bough
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I had an idea for a another halo ring. It would be called installation 10 or Sigma Halo. It isnt a full halo ring however. It is a half ring and was created by a forerunner scientist who believed that the flood should be studied instead of destroyed. Him and his followers created the half ring to study the flood and try to create flood that could be controlled, as they believed it could help forerunner society. The ring can trap space objects and allow the flood on them, so that the flood can eat all life on the space object (probably planet or moon). An accident happened and promethean's invaded to arrest the scientist and contain the flood. The scientist was arrested and executed, but the secrets of sigma halo were hidden somewhere, and sigma halo was kept under control until the the forerunner had to activate some of the rings. Now I am coming with ideas for a fan game and I want this half ring to sort of be the plot but I need to know if it could exist in halo lore and isnt inaccurate.

lavish garnet
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Hey gang - quick question. Currently playing Halo 2 again, and start of the Gravemind mission you see Truth addressing the covenant. But you have an Unggoy stood watching him through some kind of box, thats sat right in front of him projecting an image. Why/what is that? Not that I expect this to be contained in lore, but you never know

wispy shard
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@lavish garnet Always thought he was the cameraman

lavish garnet
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AHHHHHH - I like that.

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Well, it seems a bit big for a camera?

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Thats put that whole scene in a new light for if thats true. Like a press conference

wispy shard
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I assume its some weird covenant camera thing for broadcasting across high charity, and since it is the council chamber itself it might look that way for aesthetic or religious reasons.

grizzled bough
lavish garnet
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yeah, it makes sense now that its been pointed out to me.

white lodge
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Did Halo take a lot of stuff from the movie “Aliens” and use that?

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There’s a character in the movie that looks an awfully lot like Johnson, the Marines helmets in the movie looks like the Marines helmets in Halo, the drop ship they use to fly from space to the planet looks sort of like a pelican (although less so than anything else listed here), and they have movement detectors that look like the ones in Halo, except they’re on something they have to carry

unique rune
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Yeah. Bungie wasn’t very subtle about how much Alien inspired them.

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Some of the examples on this list seem like a bit of a stretch to me but for the most part the connections are easy to make.

grizzled bough
terse lava
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@grizzled bough the Forerunners, specifically Faber, the Master Builder, already used Zeta Halo as a giant lab for flood testing.

solemn isle
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So flood in infinite?

terse lava
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Eh who knows, at the end of Primordium, where the events took place, the ring still had lots of flood biomass, including myiplr stasis held proto graveminds. By the modern Era though, all that is oddly gone

lament hornet
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10 Deactivated (dead) Gravemind and flood containment facilities are on Zeta, but no signs of an outbreak or any other such kind.

terse lava
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Was quite certain they were stasis

humble yacht
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There has also been described fields of inert spores on the ring

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But “inert” suggests they are not harmful or at least not active

terse lava
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Woulsnt be the first time we have ever had "inert" spores. Guessing that was from the newest book?

humble yacht
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No

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Halopedia has had that description for years

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It’s from Primordium

tacit charm
terse lava
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Ah, the way you said it, made it sound like modern humans had come across them. Not those of Riser and Chakas

white lodge
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Wasn’t sure if it was legit or I was just seeing things

lament hornet
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Johnson wouldn't exist (in the form we know him as) if it weren't for Apone.
Look into my eye 👁️

versed helm
hybrid ermine
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Im curious in 26th century UNSC is not capable creating a portable shield system(until kig yar shield captured) but capable creating slipspace first?

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And also why other marines doesnt have armor shield like spartans?

gilded mason
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Energy shielding for the UNSC is very expensive.

inland jackal
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I have the most stupidest idea

shut dew
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Go on

inland jackal
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L E K G O L O N O O D L E S

gilded mason
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Expand on that?

inland jackal
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Since hunters are eel like worms and worms are like noodles soooooo

gilded mason
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As in eating them?

inland jackal
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Yes

gilded mason
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That sounds...wildly unethical and immoral.

shut dew
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I can see that happening in integrated black markets

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Almost nobody can relate to them anyway

inland jackal
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True

shut dew
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Places Mgalekgolo ramen in possible worldbuilding idea bin

terse lava
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@gilded mason Jiralhanae Joe's noodle Empuroum

gilded mason
hybrid ermine
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Craig noodle shop

unique rune
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I feel like that wouldn’t quite work out considering how big lekgolo eels are. Unless you ran them through a spiralizer it’d be like trying to eat spaghetti made with pythons.

inland jackal
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Yeah chop em up

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I can see my OC gagging at that chiefsmirkle

kindred field
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What's happening here?

hybrid ermine
shut dew
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Someone needs to design a universal toilet based on everything we know about the covenant species’ biological characteristics

gilded mason
inland jackal
kindred field
shut dew
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I’m already picturing a tray the jackals have to spit in on the side

inland jackal
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But the lekgolo are the noodles

kindred field
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Imagine Flood Spores infecting the lekgolo worms.

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Infected Ramen.

inland jackal
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Adds to the flavor lumukle

kindred field
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Wow xD

inland jackal
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Yo we need more culinary halo lore

shut dew
terse lava
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Forerunner fruit salad

inland jackal
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Yamne'e burger lumukle

shut dew
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If they want to have human refreshments, they need to buy near beer

kindred field
shut dew
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Cuts of Human

inland jackal
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Ok ok uhhhh thorn beast steak

shut dew
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Slices of Sangheili

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Grunt Gorumet

inland jackal
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Basically Jiralhanne meals

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Or flood

shut dew
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Flood food:
C O N S U M E

inland jackal
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The flood when they see diverse life: 😡 🤬 😡 🤬

shut dew
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Skirmisher Skillet

kindred field
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Gravemind vs Godzilla vs King Kong

inland jackal
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Godzilla and Kong work together and fight gravemind

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Wait how big is the gravemind?

terse lava
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Varies

shut dew
terse lava
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A whole planet can be transformed into a gravemind, known as a keymind

gilded mason
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Ado

kindred field
gilded mason
kindred field
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Copy and Paste has abandoned me..

inland jackal
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80 meters so godzilla in godzilla vs biolante ok ok

shut dew
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What’s next after a keymind? A noggin?

gilded mason
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Gravemind is the final stage

kindred field
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Godzilla is 119.8m.

gilded mason
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Keyminds are any Flood form that can coordinate other forms, so basically the Gravemind is the most advanced keymind.

kindred field
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Okay well in height godzilla wins.

inland jackal
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And power

kindred field
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"But Gravemind can just infect Godzilla by putting it's tenticles in godzilla's mouth" 🤓

inland jackal
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Uhhhhh

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ඞ

kindred field
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Like rookie said to buck when he wanted a women with balls

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Moving on..

gilded mason
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Because many people do use it as an insult

inland jackal
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Yeah my li-ma joke was deleted when I was making the elite say "who's Steve jobs?"

shell cave
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• ඞ• •
•. •. • invis was the imposter

terse lava
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@gilded mason still works

kindred field
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Do y'all think gravemind is evil?

terse lava
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It literally wants all thinking life to eternally suffer

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So, yeah

unique rune
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relatable

inland jackal
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If the forerunners didn't throw a hissy fit, maybe the flood wouldn't exust

kindred field
gilded mason
gilded mason
inland jackal
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The flood is bad

terse lava
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Yeah, was shown in Silentium that the gravemind sought only suffering, as it views that as "sweetness"

inland jackal
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🅱ruh the gravemind is a sadist

last anchor
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I mean, its the result of the Precursors getting smacked down by the Forerunners, of course it is.

inland jackal
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Why couldn't the precursors take care of the galaxy themselves smh

terse lava
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They could

last anchor
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They just prefered to keep hands off

terse lava
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Mhm

inland jackal
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Ah ok
but why did they make a mantle tho?

last anchor
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They didnt make it. It just evolved.
"The most advanced species watches over the rest."

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The Precursors originally intended that to go to the Forerunners, but then Humanity started to show more pormise.
As a result the Forerunners threw a tantrum of Cthullu levels and basically wiped the Precursors (physical) forms out.

inland jackal
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Ahhhh oki oki oki

terse lava
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Don't forget the precursors planned on erasing the forerunners

last anchor
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This resulted in some of the Precursors reverting themselves to immaterial dust and hiding it on things, to return at a different time when the Forerunners had sat in their room and thought about they had done for a bit.
But time twisted the dust, converting it into the baseline of what we now know as the Flood.

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Oh right true...

inland jackal
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Well I know about the grinding to dust thingy
Then being fed to dogs and we know the rest

terse lava
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We have only the gravemind saying that reason is bunk

inland jackal
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Since bungo said "...my size 24 hoove" thus we can make converses for elites lumukle

terse lava
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Hm

inland jackal
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Also wonder which elite had/has the biggest ego maybe Xytan Jar 'Watinree cuz you know, he was at the top

shut dew
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Xytan needs a book about himself, even if toning down his mary sueness

inland jackal
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Yeah he does need a book

shut dew
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He’s the only one in the series ATM

gilded mason
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I'd rather not have a book wasted on him, to be honest.

inland jackal
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I kinda wish we had more info on the old sangheili religions but that's just me

gilded mason
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We might finally get it in the encyclopedia coming out next year

inland jackal
shut dew
gilded mason
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Glad they won't, but man, that'd be awful

inland jackal
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I feel like they should, but just for a specific clan and like one clan

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Like architecture and armour but not traditions

gilded mason
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Sure, a certain subset could have generalized similarities. Main issue is when people try to paint the entire species as "space Japan"

shut dew
inland jackal
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Yeah i don't want the entire species to be painted as Japan but with dinos

shut dew
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It’d be like if George Lucas painted ALL gungans as an idiocracy just because of Jar Jar Binks

gilded mason
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While I never read much of the EU myself, apparently that was a common problem for EU writers.

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Like "Most people from Corellia are usually smugglers" and things like that

inland jackal
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How to bully an elite: only use ladders

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Yo remember that silent shadow elite who doesn't wear armour?

gilded mason
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Yes.

inland jackal
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What was his name again?

gilded mason
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Inslaan 'Gadogai.

inland jackal
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Ok after seeing the book cover, that man needs to back to his keep and come back with legitimate clothes lel

gilded mason
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The cover is a bit...uninspired, yeah

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Basically just a trace with no personality added to it

shut dew
inland jackal
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If your gonna be a goat who doesn't wear armour, at least look clean lel

shut dew
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Applies to the other species too, i’m sick of that homogenization

inland jackal
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Yeah

shut dew
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Given 343i’s recent attitudes towards lore, “Sangheili always wear armor, it’s their casual wear” would show up in the encyclopedia

inland jackal
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When the drip is respectable, and the blade work is impeccable
(What did I just write...)

gilded mason
shut dew
inland jackal
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Yeah it has but I don't want broke rags I want them to be drip

gilded mason
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Even having Elite stationed on ships wear emblemed tabards when not in combat situations.

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Or Thel wearing a tunic while in his quarters.

shut dew
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Jackal casual wear is just… ew

inland jackal
shut dew
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Hunt the truth

unique rune
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give Elites jorts

inland jackal
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Yes

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Ok that's it

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343 you can't make humanity be the only ones with drip, gotta give it to the others

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I know what is more useful than ONI's torture meathods

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New Chips ahoy! Ads

terse lava
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The heck?

grizzled bough
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Is that possible?

terse lava
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Such a thing would have been put down rather fast

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@grizzled bough

grizzled bough
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Ok thanks man

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👍

terse lava
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Would say closest to what you want, would be possibly a builder security force, who didn't properly follow decontamination protocols on captured flood vessels. Such a thing happened, again with Faber

grizzled bough
terse lava
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After Faber's trial, he escaped with a group of loyal builder security forces and disgraced warrior servants. They spent years with a "small flotilla" of ships taking out flood vessels, sterilizing them, and selling them to the main military. Some however they didn't do proper cleaning on, and the new crews would be consumed by hidden flood

grizzled bough
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So I would include a group of ships with flood still existing on them.

terse lava
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Well, you could say this builder security( Builder rate private army loyal to Faber) could be one ofbthose charged with cleansing captured vessels

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Hm, let me ask some friend on this idea, they may have a better idea how to implement it

grizzled bough
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Well that sounds pretty cool to me. My main character has to engage a covenant force who are trying to use or take the forerunner ships. There happen to be hidden flood and it creates a epic battle area. I was hoping to include promethean weapons so could those exist on the ships? Also what value would these ships exactly have to the covenant? Srry I'm asking so many questions its just that I haven't read much of the halo books so i dont know much of the lore besides the games.

terse lava
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Hm, well would recommend halopedia, as they have a bountiful source of lore that could help with this. As for value, anything forerunner would be revered by the Covenant

drowsy mesa
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There's a dude in a Facebook page who's saying that the S-IVs don't have the same augmentations as the S-IIs at all.
Even if the S-IVs are weaker and the augmentation methods are different between those generations, the S-IVs have pretty much the same augmentations as the S-IIs (but weaker in strength) plus other augmentations, right? (Better reactions, be able to see in the dark, great strength)

craggy sierra
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The armor does more heavy lifting on their behalf so they're basically as augmented as needs be to get them into the armor.

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I think they got the same reflex enhancements and bone enhancements but overall strength is lesser outside of armor

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And then in armor it doesn't matter

ocean sluice
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Reach fell because it was out of reach

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Y'know, with the comms tower going offline

craggy sierra
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No

versed helm
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I think it would be interesting if there was a halo game where arbiter fights UNSC/Oni and Chief has to pick a side. Not sure if 343 would go through with this though as it would be best as an end to the series and they might have to build it up in a few games before it happens outside of the books.

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I also don't really like how they brought back cortana back after 4, kinda defeats the point of that story and I'm not sure if using her as the core part of a game again would work.

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I do hope the banished end up being cool I just don't have high hopes for them as interesting antagonists atm.

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Afaik Chief wouldn't kill other humans but they could write around it or just have him refuse to help oni.

odd anvil
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Does chief know that spark is alive

hybrid ermine
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Is there any noticable differences in mark 7 armor? like people keep saying from the new infinite trailer its mark 7 but i dont see anything that its implied as mark 7

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All i can see is the spartans in that trailer looks like wearing mark v b armor or maybe mark 6

tacit charm
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its alot stronger than the previous marks or at least much more than gen 2

wispy wasp
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Are mark 7 and gen 3 different armor?

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Or is mark 7 a part of gen 3 just under a gen 1 title?

lethal urchin
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"Around October 17, 2558, the Mark VII was used as the testbed for the [GEN3] improvements, but it remained uncertain if manufacturers would adopt the standards and cost accounting by the Unified Earth Government."

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Seems like mark VII is the most recent iteration of GEN1 equipment

carmine sleet
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Mark VII was first seen in the Kilo Five trilogy as the last Gen 1 Mjolnir, it's more recently returned in the form of the Gen 3 Mark VII from Halo Infinite and the Keystone helmet seen in Halo 4

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It's kinda like how the Mark VI and Mark V have been seen in multiple generations of Mjolnir

lethal urchin
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Naomi 010 is the only recorded user of Gen 1 Mark VII

carmine sleet
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Aye, as far as we know, no other Spartan's worn that version

lethal urchin
carmine sleet
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Aye (Also didn't need to tag me)

lethal urchin
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sorry bout that

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old habit

carmine sleet
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Roger that

tacit charm
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Ok so glassing, do you guys think the covenant with the fleet the same size as reach can glass the entire surface of a world in a week or two

carmine sleet
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Depends on the size of the planet they're glassing

tacit charm
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earth like planet

wispy wasp
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with how systematic the covenant glass planets wouldn't a fleet large enough have too many ships than needed?

tacit charm
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actually crunching up the numbers it seems like the cov fleet at reach will not have enough ships to glass all the surface of an earth like planet let alone reach

craggy sierra
drowsy coyote
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Why did buck become a Spartan

tacit charm
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rookie

craggy sierra
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Why wouldn't he?

drowsy coyote
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Cause he enjoyed being an ODST

tacit charm
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or the unconscious, non compacted head, non full of life rookie

tacit charm
craggy sierra
drowsy coyote
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What are you talking about

tacit charm
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until said state of rookie

craggy sierra
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And yeah I know he was reluctant until rookie died

drowsy coyote
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Big rip

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No ODST 2 OOF

terse lava
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Eh don't need rookie for that

drowsy coyote
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you kinda do

terse lava
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No, you dont

tacit charm
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not really

craggy sierra
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But like Spartan 4's were recruited from the most impressive service records of the UNSC and Buck was the leader of one of the most impressive ODST teams. Kinda makes sense they'd get promotion offers like that.

drowsy coyote
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I meant for the story of alpha 9 if you want to continue that

tacit charm
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then go read book

drowsy coyote
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Jun recruited him

tacit charm
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ik

craggy sierra
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Alpha nine still exists and they've gotten back together since Halo 5

drowsy coyote
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That’s cool

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A ODST 2 would be cool to see bucks Spartan origins on screen

tacit charm
drowsy coyote
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Idk where to get the book

tacit charm
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ask 343

drowsy coyote
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How? They are really busy on infinite

tacit charm
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ask unyshek

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or

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you know

terse lava
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Or just, see if your local library has the book, or order one online

tacit charm
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there is a thing called google

drowsy coyote
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Yeah

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What book was it

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Halo new blood or halo bad blood

tacit charm
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bad blood and/or new blood

drowsy coyote
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Ok

unique rune
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New Blood is the one that goes over him becoming a Spartan-IV

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Bad Blood is post-Halo 5

tough crown
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Does anyone know what happened to the iso-didact after silentium?

versed helm
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@drowsy coyote how’s heaven

versed helm
terse lava
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@tough crown He and other Forerunners, helped reseed life in the galaxy. After that, he led some forerunners to their capital world to reactivate the domain at the cost of several lives. Once this was done, he and Chant-to-Green made a new home in a different galaxy and raised a son on a farming life with simple tech.

tough crown
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Ah ok thanks!

terse lava
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Welcome

vernal eagle
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is there any one left on reach

main rivet
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I’m sure some people survived the bombardment and invasion.

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Whether or not they’d be able to survive potentially years afterwards on their own is another question. We don’t really know what the timetable for reclaiming Reach was.

vernal eagle
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i got a story for my own character

terse lava
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We actually do have a time table to an extent. By 2553, pioneet groups arrived to examine thr world for re colonization. By 2558, 121,000 humans are living on the planet

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And that reach end scene in 2589 shows more terraforming been done, and new ships arriving

lethal urchin
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Pretty sure Holly Tanaka survived the glassing of Minab

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im surprised comics provide more characterization for her than h5 tbh

terse lava
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Kinda goes for any game

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Or movies

lethal urchin
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fair, but h5 doesnt help her character besides make her give exposition all the time

terse lava
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Unfortunately

lethal urchin
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Indeed the whole plot of halo 5 as well as its writing completely defies storytelling 101

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going off topic here, it is indeed possible for people to survive for several years on 100% glassed planets

terse lava
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Uh...I rather doubt that

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If a planet has been 100% glassed, that means no water, no atmosphere, and all land melted to glass

lethal urchin
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Looking at Minab(again) it looked completely glassed to oblivion so hard that the entire planet became some sort of a Hoth-like planet

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I guess the atmosphere and water(now frozen) is still existent

terse lava
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Its glassed heavily yes, but not utterly and completely. The Covenant were able to do that in older lore, but not these days. Least since Reach

fair hazel
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I wouldn't put faith in those data pads

terse lava
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I dont

lethal urchin
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Its from Escalation Vol. 2

versed helm
stable flower
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I'm kinda bothered that Cortana doesn't mention Arbiter in Halo 4. I would think she'd refer to him as "that no-good Elite who left [John] behind".

unique rune
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That’s… a stretch.

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Considering she didn’t know the portal would’ve chopped the Dawn conveniently in a spot that separated the group… it’d be a bit ridiculous for her to accuse him of leaving the pair behind.

Not like she ever had a particularly antagonistic relationship with or attitude towards the Arbiter either.

stable flower
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Let alone any interaction with him to begin with.

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She does remember him when he shows up in HC though (from him and John being held by Gravemind) and is surprised to see he's a friendly.

unique rune
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And she’s pretty much already over it by the time they land on Installation 08.
So why in the world would she consider him a “no-good Elite that left them behind”?

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The only points where mentioning the Arbiter would really be relevant are generally in the first half of the campaign, before her rampant fits started to get especially bad. And she doesn’t really start slinging insults incoherently until those later rampant episodes.

tacit charm
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the arbiter didnt leave them behind, if anyone is to blame it would be mendicant assuming she knows about it which she would considering the chiefs encounters with the terminals were semi canon

stable flower
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I mean in one of her rampant outbursts, like she mentions Halsey

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But then again she might've forgotten about him during the four years of drifting

tacit charm
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she wouldnt

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shes an ai

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unless she had to delete the info in order for compartmentalisation

tacit charm
lethal urchin
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indeed, I doubt a CPV-class is THAT large

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I guess the goalposts for the definition of a 'fully-glassed planet' are being moved

tacit charm
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well

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the event of a fully glassed planet is unlikely to happen if it could be even accomplish in the first place

worldly crystal
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What happened to Jun after he escorted Halsey

unique rune
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He managed to find some way of getting off Reach. It’s never really been elaborated on.

silver saddle
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I could see that if the major settlements were glasses some people might say the colony was completely glassed

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Obviously very different from an actual entire planet being glassed

inland jackal
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Seeing the blur h2a arbiter cutscene
The mosulem must be freaking cold since they gotta preserve the bodies

gusty star
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Not necessarily, I don’t think it’s too far out of the question for their caskets to be insulated.

unique rune
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The majority are probably empty to begin with. With the nature of Arbiters and their missions I seriously doubt many of their bodies were in any position or condition to be recovered, let alone be preserved.

inland jackal
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Well that's good for Thel
I don't wanna be butt naked in a freezer too

light bison
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Reminder that the battle of Delta Halo had only 3 UNSC survivors, sidenote the battles of Alpha Halo, Delta Halo, and the Ark are ONI classified so most humans are entirely unaware of how the UNSC won the war and are oblivious to the last minute alliance with the Arbiter and his Elites

strange sun
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😳

stable flower
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I assume most of the UEG is unaware of the Flood's existence too

tacit charm
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actually there might be a fifth survivor though idk if he was ever confirmed to return to earth

light bison
light bison
tacit charm
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ok sixth

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the other marine was the one you were with when first encountering the scarab

light bison
balmy zodiac
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are there any good in depth lore youtubers other than hiddenxperia instalation00 and halo cannon?

and sametoken i forgot him

gilded mason
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Don't think so. Though I'd personally say to just go with Halo Canon if you were looking for a lore youtuber.

balmy zodiac
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instalation00 i find has longer more in depth videos about lore than halo cannon does
halo cannon i feel mostly summarizes the books and makes them more cohesive with the games
instalation00 i feel goes in depth on topics like the spartan augmentations the weapons species locations etc

gilded mason
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Though he's also been caught just repeating Halopedia articles verbatim.

main rivet
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yeah I have to say I'm not really sure what people get out of Installation00 videos unless they just don't like reading material that's better-presented elsewhere.

tacit charm
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i mean for I00 i dont want to go too in depth but his videos on macs, they are at best twisting the canon or just simply has incorrect info

fair hazel
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Well lots of speculation

tacit charm
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you could say that however in that video he upscales the macs because of one ambiguous performance of one smac destroying two and a half ships which is all well and good for calculations however he used the 4%c figure which while i dont blame him doesnt take into account the other much slower smacs that was also present at reach and it the actual smacs feat he used could of been those ones not the 4% version

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not to mention ghost of onyx kind of disproves the entire video

dawn needle
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Were the Banished on the Ark during, or after, the Halo 3 mission The Covenant?

gilded mason
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After, yes.

dawn needle
stable flower
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"The whole Covenant couldn't beat the Banished"
Also the Banished: Has trouble dealing with Covenant hermits on the keyship

slim spire
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Also the Banished: Apparently the only group to actually ever defeat the Flood without relying on a Halo or the Flood literally letting them win to screw with the Forerunners

terse lava
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Its why I always laugh at the Banished being portrayed as so powerful.

gilded mason
terse lava
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Think the closest we have to anyone defeating the flood are the chief, and the Covenant

ocean ibex
terse lava
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Yeah?

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But..he still died to the flood

fair hazel
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I dont think he actually faced that much flood

tacit charm
terse lava
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The flood torr him apart bad enough they couldn't even use his body. Pretty sure that counts as facing a lot of flood

frigid tiger
tacit charm
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halo the flood

pseudo tusk
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He would’ve made one hell of a spartan

lethal urchin
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In the novel his efforts inspired john to pull through and survive the library.

pseudo tusk
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I know 🙂

swift atlas
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is there a lore reason in why the assault rifle is so inaccurate. in lore linda ran out of sniper ammo and started using an assault rifle blasting enemies hundreds of meters away. why cant gameplay be like that?

terse lava
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Because its gameplay..its met to have balance override canon showings. Look at plasma weapons, how fun would it be if you/your allies/enemies all died within 1-2 shots of a plasma bolt?

swift atlas
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imagin if a near miss actually did rip off limbs of enemies. that would be the most amazing thing

terse lava
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No, not reallly

versed helm
carmine sleet
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When it comes to gameplay, making it accurate to lore would just make the games horrible to play

versed helm
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Yep. There's a lot of lore stuff that would pretty much break the game

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LOTUS mines, for example

obsidian thistle
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If stuff was lore accurate. All the marines would die in 1 shot essentially. Or 2 if they were really lucky

slim spire
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Wouldn't Halo 3 just have immediately ended when Truth activated the Ark if the games were lore accurate?

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I don't recall there being a build up to the firing of the rings after activation, but it's also been ages since I read the Forerunner saga

humble yacht
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Halo 2 established that the rings take a bit to fire

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Halo 3 reaffirmed this

gilded mason
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And Silentium doesn't say how long it takes to fire from the Ark either, from what I remember.

humble yacht
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Since the rings play fast and loose with laws of space time, it’s possible to notice the effects of the firing before they fire

versed helm
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They might play loose with space time, but I don't think they play that lose

humble yacht
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It’s from the forerunner trilogy

versed helm
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It still would take some time to charge up

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I think the only place we've seen actual, tangible time manipulation is when the Primordial was turned to dust in the time prison

humble yacht
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The pulse travels FTL so theoretically it could go backwards in time

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No there is literally a passage from silentium or one of those books where someone notices spatial distortions that were caused by the rings, but IsoDidact hadn’t pushed the button yet

gilded mason
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Yup

humble yacht
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So it was like confirmation that he would

obsidian thistle
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While it doesnt confirm when the Didact pressed the metaphorical button. It took 60 seconds after he mentioned doing it for the og array to fire.

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Source: Server 1 from IRIS

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More specific item: https://www.halopedia.org/Server#Array_Recorder_Data.txt

Halopedia
Server

The servers in Iris are a Forerunner record that provided information into the history of the Forerunners, primarily the Forerunner-Flood war. The servers are the primary start of the narrative in the Halo 3 Terminal story line.

humble yacht
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Greg should have paid more attention to H3, smh

obsidian thistle
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Tbf you "can" fit the stuff in.

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IRIS also has what I dub the Mendicant Bias issue that the Halo 3 terminals have lol

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Where you can write most errors out via MB editing it to suit a narrative

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(To what end is a mystery)

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But at this time the stuff just works. No need to use that excuse

fresh prawn
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did any species ever willingly join the covenant?

humble yacht
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The prophets, lol

fresh prawn
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well yeah lol. lemme rephrase..... with the least amount of force

slim spire
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Technically the only species that joined by force was the Grunts

fresh prawn
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hmm

humble yacht
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The hunters were subjugated by threat of force

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The elites were defeated in a war and then joined

gilded mason
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More of a stalemate, than defeated

slim spire
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The Jackels joined because there was money to be earned lol

humble yacht
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Jackals are more like contractors

slim spire
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Bird mercenaries, that's what the Jackals are

fresh prawn
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lmao nice

gilded mason
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And apparently after the Covenant realized they couldn't beat the Lekgolo, they used an Arbiter to try a more diplomatic approach instead.

slim spire
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The Hunters were apparently supposed to get the same treatment Humanity got, until an Arbiter decided to "tame" the ones that weren't literally eating Forerunner tech

gilded mason
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The Covenant quickly realized that waging a war of extermination against trillions of Lekgolo hidden within in the very structures they wished to preserve was a battle they could not win. By 784 BCE, a Sangheili Arbiter proposed they instead assimilate the Lekgolo into the Covenant

ocean ibex
humble yacht
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diplomatic
“Join us or we nuke you”. Real diplomatic

gilded mason
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It's why I said more diplomatic. ;)

gilded mason
slim spire
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The Covenant would not have been able to nuke the Hunters anyway since that would be a blasphemy with all the Forerunner relics on the Hunter Homeworld

ocean ibex
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Literally

gilded mason
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Only a certain subset of them

humble yacht
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That’s how they originally felt but by the end of the Taming of the Hunters, they were willing to do it

tacit charm
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you know considering how durable forerunner metals were how were these dudes able to consume the structures so much that it formed a ring around a planet

terse lava
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@gilded mason no reason for it not to be called on still, as it originated from the h3 beastinarium

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I think k the threat of nukes was an utter last resort if the Arbiter had failed his mission. Oddly though, I could have sworn Contact Harvest mentioned the Arbiter died in the conflict

gilded mason
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Don't recall seeing that, myself

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This is the only paragraph in the book that has the word "Arbiter[s]"

Of course the San’Shyuum believed any unauthorized contact with Forerunner objects was heresy, punishable by death, and ordered the Sangheili to eradicate the worms. But the Sangheili were ill-equipped to fight creatures that had no ships or soldiers to speak of and whose fortifications were the very things they were trying to save. In the end, a particularly insightful Sangheili commander—one of the species’ revered Arbiters—suggested it might be better to “tame” the Lekgolo and put their and habits to good use. As eager as they were to assert their moral authority, the Prophets begrudgingly agreed that the worms, properly trained, could be very useful in future reclamations, and they forgave the Lekgolo’s sins.

terse lava
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@gilded mason curious, wonder where I am mis-remembering then

unique rune
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Little bit disappointed this new Canon Fodder didn't offer any explanation for the weird mix of assets from the multiplayer intro cinematic. Would've been nice to at least get an official clarification on the whole thing.

main rivet
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Beyond "it's cheaper to do that?" I doubt we'll get it.

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I dunno if we ever really got an 'official' explanation for the Halo 4 intro, either.

gilded mason
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We did

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They said straight up that it was a resource issue for H4

main rivet
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Kind of feels less relevant when your game has had forever to ship, you're building it with cosmetics in mind, and you could honestly just rip assets from old games.

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It's not a huge thing, but it is disappointing that video games is one of the best mediums where you can have some sort of consistency and that rarely ever happens.

unique rune
main rivet
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At a macro level, I think it's just one of those minor missteps that led to all the fan anger, too. Like if Halo 4 had you in the Chief's armor until you reconnected with Infinity, they could have "put to bed the old one" and fewer people would have been asking them to just straight roll back the clock.

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(And the Dawn looking completely different remains utterly mind-boggling to me given that only the Stephen Loftuses of the world would have noticed that the internal layout wouldn't fit the old model. That was a case of them doing more work for no benefit.)

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343 I think has a longstanding habit of making unforced errors and then overcorrecting, so they end up pleasing very few people.

minor sky
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I don't think we'll be seeing the Chief's story end anytime soon, but, if we do, let him live out his dream job of being a negotiator

gilded mason
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That'd be a nice retirement for him

fair hazel
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Diplomat, that's what I theorized he would want to be one day, and indeed my theory path came true

terse lava
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Makes me wonder if either him or Thel will ever truly retire

umbral merlin
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So, Whats the motive of the covenate in halo 1?

gilded mason
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Activate Halo

lethal urchin
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Always has been

umbral merlin
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But I just got done with the part that explains what halo does, Wouldnt they know that seeing as how they knew before the USNC did?

lethal urchin
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only the prophets really knew the truth i think

umbral merlin
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Halo was designed to starve the flood

lethal urchin
#

i mean they also knew that humans were designated reclaimers

umbral merlin
#

But also

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Why the hell do the covenate not know english, Yet the grunts shout stuff like "HES HERE"

unique rune
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Some members of the Covenant had learned English.

lethal urchin
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thats for the player's convenience

umbral merlin
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Honestly i feel bad for killing grunts

lethal urchin
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to me theyre fair game once they shoot first

unique rune
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It wasn't uncommon for Unggoy to pick up on it because they're generally quick learners and often held posts that exposed them pretty heavily to human comms.

umbral merlin
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Hm

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Also why the hell did "I dont wanna take the elevator" Feel like playing doom 2016

unique rune
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But there also is some degree of player convenience involved.
Sometimes it's excused as automatic translation software, sometimes it's Covenant troops that are capable of speaking human language, other times it's just "shut up it's funnier".

umbral merlin
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I see

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But that also brings up another question

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Elites dont speak english

lethal urchin
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i think in world everyone spoke sangheili

umbral merlin
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So why doesnt the translator or whatever

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Kick in on elites

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Same with jackals

lethal urchin
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i mean documented sangheili experts exist so maybe they eventually figured out translating sangheili

unique rune
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Because... reasons.
Just don't think about it too hard.

Bungie made Grunts speak English for comedic effect and it didn't get implemented for other Covenant client species later on.

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Whether or not there is a canon explanation just kinda varies.

umbral merlin
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also i swear, if this is a yes imma flip but

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Is halo 1 just a tech demo

lethal urchin
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no

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it isnt

umbral merlin
#

okay thank god

unique rune
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I... wouldn't say so.

lethal urchin
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its a new form of combat hence the name

umbral merlin
#

........

lethal urchin
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Combat Evolved

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it changed Fps as we know it

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also tech used in h1 never gets used again

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except maybe for a couple of things in h2

umbral merlin
#

I mean

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THe grenade system feels

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exactly the same

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janky af

lethal urchin
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if you really, really think it hard all games are tech demos

unique rune
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You could maybe argue CE is a tech demo in the sense that most big platform exclusives could be considered a tech demo?

But it changed so much over the course of its development and only barely made it out the door in a complete state that I'd call it a stretch in any other respect.

umbral merlin
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the freakin systems are so jank

lethal urchin
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thats because it used to be a third person exploration game for Mac

umbral merlin
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like who had the genious idea of having elites swarm you while being supported by a tank

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no ammo drops

lethal urchin
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in fact its so rushed they didnt have time to decorate the level halo enough, thus the meme, "this cave is not a natural formation"

umbral merlin
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lol

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i dont even remember what level im on

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i have to destroy 3 generator things

lethal urchin
#

thats 2 betrayals

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I hate that i beat the level but i did not get the steam achievement for completing it yesterday

umbral merlin
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im confused on why i wasnt given an assault rifle and pistol at the start

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because thats more balanced than a plasma rifle and plasma pistol

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more predictable as well

lethal urchin
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because canonically all you had was a couple of scrounged up set of weapons following the library

umbral merlin
#

weird

lethal urchin
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also on normal you get a shotty instead

umbral merlin
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i swear i finished it with a shotgun and an assault rifle

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and it spawned me with a pistol and a shotgun

lethal urchin
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yeah

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i mostly used the pistol and shotgun most of the level

umbral merlin
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i swapped them for the sniper

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ran out of ammo 2 seconds later

lethal urchin
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why do snipers suck against the flood again

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ahem, canonically

dense falcon
#

Their organs are liquefied, so you're doing no damage unless you aim at the infection form

umbral merlin
#

also why are the spores the most broken things in the game

lethal urchin
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the small ones(?)

unique rune
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Sniper fire tends to overpenetrate and just pass through the squishy Flood bits harmlessly.

lethal urchin
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then why not the pistol too

ocean ibex
#

Even then, does the combat form really need the pod infector after the process is complete?

lethal urchin
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yes

unique rune
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Usually, yeah. The pod infector is what controls the combat form.

lethal urchin
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without it, well you have a mutilated corpse

ocean ibex
unique rune
#

then why not the pistol too
Magnum-series pistols generally don't fire anti-tank ammunition.

umbral merlin
#

why can the covenant just randomly one shot yo

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u

lethal urchin
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I think infector forms are kinda like brains on wheels

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also they grow an infection form in the body if infected by spore for uniformity i think

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so if the body gets destroyed they have options

unique rune
lethal urchin
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i believe the flood only uses spores when the environment gets altered enough

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so, instead its high level outbreaks, when they have the luxury to take their time on infecting people

lethal urchin
versed helm
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I've a question are the covenant that we know of Ungoy, Sangheili, Kig-Yar, etc, etc are these the only species in the covenant or is there more

gilded mason
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There's more

versed helm
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Ooooh do we know of any

gilded mason
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They just weren't relevant to the plot mostly

umbral merlin
#

i hate this mission because the enemys just DONT STOP SPAWNING

gilded mason
#

Just the ...yonhet.

versed helm
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Yonhet??

gilded mason
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(Hopefully they're just an outlier in a certain regard)

unique rune
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They're supposed to be the 'core' client species but beyond them we've had mention of a Covenant fringe collection of others.

gilded mason
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Or heck, just redesign them

versed helm
#

Interesting, interesting, interesting, interesting, so are any of the species that we know of or heard of been seen in the field of battle or on scouting reports or something?

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I don't know much lore but have been trying to learn as much as I can

lethal urchin
#

acktually Huragok in the official term, are also members of the covenant

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i think thats because they know they'll survive halo

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idk about the second part

umbral merlin
#

istg grunts yelling "You! Down in front!" when they chuck grenades has to be the cutest and funniest thing

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Also are elites programed to kamakazi if they get hit with a plasma grenade>

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?

stable flower
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IDK why but when I was younger I thought the Wraith and Ghost were only deployed in snowy environments. In CE, both vehicles are only used in both AOTCR and Two Betrayals.

umbral merlin
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Im not honestly sure why there werent more of them in CE, Maybe they hadnt known if people would like them?

violet notch
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Pop-Quiz:
Without looking anything up. Can you name the real names of the in-game Covenant species? Use spoiler tags so others can't cheat.
Prophets =
Elites =
Brutes =
Jackals =
Grunts =
Hunters =
Drones =
Engineers =
If you cannot remember one, just leave it blank or admit it.
Others will check your spelling too.

Again, don't look them up. Where's the fun in that anyway?

umbral merlin
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yeah one sec

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Prophets =
Elites =
Brutes =
Jackals =
Grunts =
Hunters =
Drones =
Engineers =

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ez

violet notch
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Lol, I can't tell if you're trolling or misunderstood. But I think you're trolling.

umbral merlin
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actually i legit dont know any

unique rune
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I think they're just inexperienced

umbral merlin
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so i left every space blank

violet notch
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oh!

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lol

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I wasn't expecting that.

umbral merlin
#

is it normal if you can press the trigger so fast to the point the plasma pistol fires as fast as the assault rifle

violet notch
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Lore-wise?

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Probably

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IRL semi-automatic handguns can be modified so that the trigger is forced to fire at a rate comparable to an automatic rifle. Provided that the magazine loads the chamber at a rate that can keep pace with the triggering mechanism.

umbral merlin
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is it also a normal thing to play though the entirety of CE at 1 health

violet notch
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no

umbral merlin
#

how have i managed to get to the second to last level then

violet notch
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is this a lore question?

umbral merlin
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no but

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imagine master chief is canoticlly glass

violet notch
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except he's canonically not

umbral merlin
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not in this playthrough

violet notch
#

Halo isn't like Elder Scrolls.
Elder Scrolls likes to let your suspension of disbelief allow for any play-through to be potentially canon. (Within reason)
Halo is a narrative that takes you for a ride, with more definitive stances. Granted, of course, the writing trope of armor and/or shields being however strong the writer needs them to be at any given moment, but that's a different discussion.

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So the "not in this playthrough" argument doesn't normally hold water here.

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Now if we were in an Elder Scrolls server, you might get away with that.

umbral merlin
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ah yes the playthrough where my level 69 kahjit singlehandedly killed god himself is canon yet master chief being mortally wounded isnt

violet notch
#

well.... yes.

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I think the novelization of CE, Chief almost got infected by Flood. So "mortally wounded" can be canon.

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Buuuuut, other than instances like that... I don't think he's "made of glass".

umbral merlin
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i have died 7 times to the hive as you wrote that

violet notch
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git gud scrub or u not reel cheef

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All kidding aside, at the end of the day it is still a video game. So just because you died a ton because you're playing LASO doesn't actually mean Chief died a ton too.

umbral merlin
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this isnt even modded

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its legit just me being bad

violet notch
#

On the other hand. It's completely legitimate that The Last Dragonborn could be a Khajiit.

umbral merlin
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and he killed god

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with his fists

violet notch
#

a god, but yes

umbral merlin
#

also

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chief getting trapped on the mtn dew bottle is canon o me

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to

violet notch
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lol, now you're just takin' da [can I finish this colloquialism on this server?]

umbral merlin
#

They put the mamster cheidf in the soder

solid lion
#

master chief, more like master frog

umbral merlin
#

are you kidding me i cheese that entire room to get fragged and have to restart

#

i sometimes hate halo

violet notch
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Yeah, the games are very stingy with Checkpoints at times.

umbral merlin
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that moment when you have to fight off a hive swarm with plasma weapons at 1 hp

solid lion
#

I'ma explain every halo game.

umbral merlin
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ok'

solid lion
#

how did I do?

umbral merlin
#

uh

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yes

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idki havent beaten every game yet

solid lion
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I feel old

unique rune
#

That was… probably one of the worst explanations I’ve ever read.

solid lion
#

That's the point

shell cave
#

It was the best

umbral merlin
#

I FINALLY BEAT THAT ROOM

errant tendon
#

Hey, I got a question

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Are Chief and Arbiter considers themselves as friends?

carmine sleet
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Arbiter considers Chief a friend for sure, Chief probably see him more like a work associate

unique rune
#

They must’ve been up to some crazy team building exercises in the month-long slipspace trip to the Ark because they really don’t spend much time together otherwise

carmine sleet
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Indeed. Hopefully we get a short story of them in an office on board the Forward Unto Dawn doing those exercises

violet notch
#

I'm sure Chief sees him as a respectable ally. But ultimately, like Lord Hood said, he is responsible for the deaths of millions, if not billions, of innocent human lives. Of which Chief considers it his duty to protect them.

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The newer Spartans, namely the ones in Halo 5, mention that they see allied Elites as "brothers". Owing to them a level of respect that older Spartans probably don't share.

wintry igloo
#

Just finished the halo short 'monalisa' that's some dead space right there!

tepid vault
#

I think I’m in love with the skewer

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The weapon is downright perfect

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I need all the lore behind the gun when it comes out

violet notch
# wintry igloo Just finished the halo short 'monalisa' that's some dead space right there!

The Flood have always been intended to be a very horror-like element in the games. However, when your player character is an OP super soldier, hitting the same horror notes as games like Dead Space where your guy is Engineering scrub #12, becomes difficult to achieve. You're a soldier, not a civilian, a super soldier on top of that. You should be able to take care of yourself. That doesn't mean that the Flood have 0% horror aspects. But it does hold them back from being nearly as impactful.

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When you're under-powered, threats are more threatening.
When you're over-powered, a threat is still a threat, but less than if you were under-powered.
Does that make sense?

last anchor
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Its all about perspective.
Truthfully, if you have MJLONIR at your disposal, most horror creatures become less terrifying and more even-grounded.

wintry igloo
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Man they could make such a good horror game with the flood though. Perhaps not through 117 but marines or something.

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I just wished they did a lot more with the flood. Explore it more since... well... Halo was build against the flood after all.

umbral merlin
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Yeah, halo was indeed made to destroy the flood but halo itself cant physically kill them, if it could them why would Cortana stop us? It was designed to kill anything with enough intelligence to bo considered food to the flood

craggy sierra
#

The flood are existentially terrifying on a narrative level but when it comes to making an actual game built around them, everything about how they operate is completely at odds with everything most people would consider good horror game design.

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Unless you consider Left 4 Dead to be a horror game

umbral merlin
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Lol

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Facts

craggy sierra
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The flood don't have subtlety. The closest they got to that was 5 minutes of buildup in 343 GS in the first Halo game. They are a screaming tide of corpses brandishing guns and rocket launchers who throw themselves against any opposition with reckless disregard for personal wellbeing, converting any assets in their path to their side.

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Hell it goes beyond being a tide of corpses to a hiveminded tide of corpses.

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If a single flood knows where you are they all know where you are

umbral merlin
#

If you dont kill them then you can play doom 2016s entirety in one level

craggy sierra
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They drove Tanks In Halo 2. At the point where your horror enemy operates heavy artillery it's kinda over for the prospects of them being viewed as a horror enemy

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This is also called Resident Evil 6 syndrome

umbral merlin
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Its like the combine at that point

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A military that tries to seem braindead

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To seen scary

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seem*

versed helm
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the combine is undefeatable. they are without a doubt the most op empire in fiction i can think of

tacit charm
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meh

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Downstreamers legit will use them as pets

umbral merlin
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Honestly, I wouldnt be suprised if last of us took the idea of the flood. They're just too similar

lament hornet
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The concept of humans zombified by fungi isn't a new concept. The inspiration in TLOU came from zombified bugs and other insects. Parasitic Alien lifeforms also isn't a new concept.

tacit charm
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cordyceps fungus

covert dawn
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Not to say i wouldn't want a marine or odst flood game but it would be very difficult to balance it out if with how strong the flood are lore wise, cuz one hit and you're already infected

versed helm
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Not if you're arbiter or chief (without shields)

stable flower
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Horror enemies become less horrifying when they start using guns

versed helm
#

Quick question: Spartan pilots are a thing, right?

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Spartans that are primarily aerial vehicle operators but also engage in ground combat

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Since our infinite spartans are canon, I'm coming up with ideas for mine and I have a few ideas but I don't know the viability of them and I want mine to be grounded in the universe

fair hazel
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Yes

versed helm
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Alright, thanks

stable flower
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Yes, as there are multiple armor sets for pilot roles

humble yacht
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Spartans can have a variety of specializations. Vehicle operation is but one

static stone
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B-312

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Pretty much master chief but with no luck

unique rune
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more like no personality

humble yacht
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He had about the same amount of personality as trilogy CHief

inland jackal
#

I wonder what kind of human music sangheili would like...

versed helm
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The halo soundtrack

inland jackal
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Lol

keen ravine
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Quick question, are there any dedicated Space infantry?

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as in dedicated to fight in vacuum.

unique rune
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Not really

keen ravine
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for both or just one?

inland jackal
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The only vacuum dedicated infantry I know are the ranger rank for elites

unique rune
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ODSTs and Spartans are equipped and trained for it but they’re primarily meant for ground-side or shipboard action.

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Covenant Rangers are pretty much the closest you’ll get

keen ravine
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Welp, worldbuilding it is then, Thanks lads.

inland jackal
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No problem, maybe YOU can make your own vacuum dedicated infantry

spiral jewel
#

Dumb question that I've probably already asked:

How many civilized planets have actually thrived under Created Control as of 2559/60

Iirc Ballaho was one of these, but I could be misremembering things from Bad Blood

gilded mason
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Balaho is one, yes

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I don't think we know of any more

spiral jewel
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I feel like a lot of Covenant Fringe homeworlds also thrived under the Created, but who knows at this point

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God, the Fringe need more love.

gilded mason
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Only if they're given good designs

spiral jewel
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I always feel like the Yonhet should be an aquatic humanoid species for some dumb reason. Maybe it's their physical appearance?

gilded mason
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They have a couple fish-like characteristics, so you'd be correct

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They should redesign them and go a lot farther

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I'm talkin' full Deep One or Sahuagin

spiral jewel
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I was thinking a design similar to Abraham Sapien from Hellboy

gilded mason
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His final form at the very least, though I'd prefer more extreme. At least in the facial area.

spiral jewel
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Good idea!

wispy prawn
#

I LOVE halo lore its kinda the best thing ever

versed helm
#

I’mma just say it: Xytan is a dumb character, bad fan fiction-tier.

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“He’s so special that he hasn’t lost a single battle! And also he’s super duper tall, much taller than every other Elite! Also the Prophets were scared of him! Oh oh and he’s got a super special rank that only he’s seemed to attain!”

gilded mason
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No arguments there

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I always thought he was dumb as well

versed helm
#

I still cannot help but wonder, who was the prisoner that stumbled upon The Refuge and taught the Ussans a form of meditation?

gilded mason
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We'll probably never find out

versed helm
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Yep

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I also wonder if we'll ever see the Ussans again in some future media

gilded mason
#

Man, I hope so

versed helm
#

They were an interesting faction

tacit charm
ocean ibex
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I mean

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Wasn’t he the only imperial admiral that humanity faced during the entire war?

tacit charm
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humanity never faced him

ocean ibex
#

Wdym? His flagship was torn apart by a nova bomb

gilded mason
#

Plasma pistols are very powerful in lore.

tacit charm
fair hazel
#

I’m not a fan of xytan

patent dagger
#

You gotta love it when the UNSC decides to make a decent military a f t e r the Human-Covenant war.

unique rune
#

I mean, when were they supposed to put together a “decent” military before that point?

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The UNSC had very little reason to maintain a huge military in the three centuries following the Interplanetary Wars, and had only relatively recently been putting itself back together when the Insurrection really started to gain momentum roughly 30 years before first contact with the Covenant.

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And after the Covenant started effortlessly razing human worlds it would’ve been pretty hard to muster up an effective fighting force with so little intel and significantly worse equipment.

last anchor
#

And many of their production facilities were on planets in the Outer Colonies (more or less) anyway

ornate hinge
#

is mars terraformed in the halo universe?

last anchor
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At least partially

slim spire
#

... Here's the real question, was Mars attacked by the Covenant?

unique rune
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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/locations/mars

After centuries of tranquility, Mars once again saw war when the Prophet of Truth’s fleet arrived in the Sol System in late 2552. Though the UNSC forces on the planet were eventually destroyed, their valiant defense delayed Covenant forces from pressing their assault on Earth.

ornate hinge
#

the covies were just on earth to use the voi portal

tacit charm
#

Mars was attacked

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also mars is practically earth 2.0

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in terms of terraformed surfaces

gusty star
#

So was Luna and Callisto

fair hazel
fair hazel
ornate hinge
#

was mars terraformed by the interplanetary war tho?

main rivet
#

There's nothing wrong with Xytan.

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It's really just that he's turned into this "you wont BELIEVE how awesome he is!"-type exaggeration thanks to lore videos and the like.

inland jackal
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Xytan is aight

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But yeah people over exaggerate him to basically god levels of power chiefsmirkle

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But his death was SO. LACKLUSTER! AAHH I HATE IT!

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Grunt accidentally activates NOVA bomb then
Atomized

versed helm
#

Based grunt

spiral jewel
#

At the end of Halo 2, aside from Johnson and Miranda,

how many humans were still hanging out/alive on Installation 05 post Quarantine Zone

tacit charm
#

5

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not including chief

versed helm
#

I thought chief was on the dreadnought

terse lava
#

To be fair, the Unggoy did not activate it, a Huragok did.

void oar
#

So halo now has a ghetto multiverse now?

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I’m assuming it’s nowhere like Marvel’s or DC’s?

last anchor
#

Its not canon. The multiverse is just cool stuff they wanna do that doesnt fit into anything else.

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Like how Hayabusa was, before they gave it full lore.

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It lives in the same kinda space as Kat and Emile being in Gears 5

void oar
#

Ah ok

unique rune
#

I just really hope we get some Sangheili stuff from these Fractures type things.

gilded mason
humble yacht
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Lol

terse lava
#

Would be pretty nice

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Or just straight up add arbiter armor

versed musk
#

Just have that Sangheili prodigy crank out a bunch of new Gen 3 sets 😁

tacit charm
terse lava
#

Halo doesn't have a multiverse the same way as Marvel/DC/mirror universes.

void oar
#

^

terse lava
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Its more....eccentric. the Glow, a reality only composed of photons, Denial of Locale, Shunspace, Trick Geodetics. Others are just universes consumed shortly after their own big bangs, so nothing truly forms

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At least as of now, there are no other universes with life in them

void oar
terse lava
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The last example yea

void oar
#

Like I remember hearing somewhere in the forerunner trilogy, they would “kill” premature universe by sucking their energy and killing them before they fully mature

terse lava
#

The others with actual names were other realities the forerunners were aware of

void oar
#

Those are just at a molecular level?

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The ones you listed

terse lava
#

Pretty much yeah, the Librarian noticed the irony near the end of the flood war as she arrives at Requiem to stop the didact

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The only one given detail was the glow

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The others are simply named realities

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Had they some form of life, it would have been mentioned

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Unless they say the Precursors came from another reality

tacit charm
#

heck both the forerunners and precursors have travelled to other realities

terse lava
#

Nothing says such a thing exists

jolly jay
void oar
#

alright who pinged me

inland jackal
#

Vale is a sangheili stan, change my mind.

unique rune
#

I mean.
People can be interested in things without mindless fanaticism.

jolly jay
#

Ok so I read back. It seems someone did mention a source. My bad.

jolly jay
#

Anyway do you think the Halo live action tv series well have any information on a possable mutiverse ir stricktly be non-canon?

stone arrow
#

Probably non-canon, diving into a multiverse is probably a bit too convoluted for Halo.

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But hey, who knows

tacit charm
#

and point of light

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point of light featured a forerunner tech building a universe

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and in teh introductions of star roads or i think it was precursor ftl travel it said they shed multiversal residue

lethal urchin
#

the halo series is the precusor's lab experiment gone wrong

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what else have they done

terse lava
#

Made prisions of literal crystallized time to seal away horror they couldnt/wouldn't kill

sly sierra
#

What if the grunt didnt throw his weapon to the chief? Would he have just winged it and punched one of em till they die and grab their weapon or would that have been the end of cheif.did that one grunt cause the death of another prophet? Halo 2 gravemind cutscenes is what I'm talking about btw

west garnet
#

i wanna know more about how energy shields work, the ones that go around your body (forget the specific name)

sorry for the noob question but im curious, how do you get through them? is there a way to disable them? etc

lethal urchin
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they can be temporarily disabled by heavy weapons fire

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I think theyre disabled when the armor itself gets completely destroyed

unique rune
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Personal energy shield systems like those found in MJOLNIR armor and Sangheili harnesses will go down after absorbing enough gunfire or other incoming force, or they can be quickly overloaded by an electromagnetic pulse.

MJOLNIR shield systems can be disabled by the user if necessary and their strength can be fine-tuned in specific sections of coverage like on the hands and feet to provide better dexterity. I would imagine similar armor systems would probably have similar functions.

ocean ibex
last anchor
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Thats the armor under it I believe, and specialty ammo will do its job just fine.
Shields are tough but not invincible to use Johnsons quote

west garnet
inland jackal
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Temporarily unless it's too damaged

ocean ibex
#

Nah it will always be temporary, the mkV and VI energy shields are powered by mini nuclear reactors, so if you destroy them, well..

inland jackal
#

Hehehe boom

cinder mason
#

Anyone find any info regarding SpecWarGroup3?

inland jackal
#

What's that? My dino brain only stores sangheili lore

unique rune
#

Special Warfare Group 3

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Apparently it's the UNSC Army unit that Noble Team and 3 Charlie belonged to. Commanded by Col. Urban Holland.

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Not really much else to it.

versed helm
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cool got a warning for a typo, that's really great

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phenomenal system in place here

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real cutting edge

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i digress

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Does anyone know how colonialism and ethnicity worked when humanity began to colonize other planets? Like did the english colonize their own worlds and germans others, and chinese, inidians, russians, africans, etc. each colonize other planets and their race and ethnicity and culture were dominant there? Or has this not been expanded upon yet?

unique rune
#

A number of the colony worlds that we've been able to explore have tended towards having strong ties to their founders' cultural backgrounds.

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Harvest's first settlers were largely of Germanic descent, Reach predominantly Hungarian, Meridian mainly French.

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So it did happen to some extent.

versed helm
#

Alright, cool. Adds to world building and grounds the universe a bit

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Gonna look into it more, thank you

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Coming up with an OC Spartan and trying to figure out what planet she should be from

versed helm
#

did some reading on harvest, but didn't find any info on where the Harvest refugees went to when they left

inland jackal
#

Probably to other colonies

versed helm
#

yeah I'm asking if we know which ones

inland jackal
#

Hmmm I don't know about that one

unique rune
#

Don’t think that’s ever been elaborated on

versed helm
#

so I'm free to just pick a planet

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that works

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thank you

unique rune
#

I wonder if Cmdr. Palmer uses Celox-class GEN3, given its resemblance to Scout-class GEN2.

versed helm
#

was Gen III pushed to all Spartan IVs? I imagine some spartans would still be using Gen II, in the same way Black Team was still using first generation Mjolnir in the comic book the didact was killed in

unique rune
#

I think the majority of the Infinity's Spartan-IVs are using GEN3 by the events of Shadows of Reach in 2559. Palmer was issued a set at the very least.

Dunno how widespread its adoption has been given the circumstances.

versed helm
# versed helm so I'm free to just pick a planet

Ended up going with Europa because it fits so well.

pilot
born on Europa
Europa is one of Jupiter's Moons
Jupiter is God of the Sky and Lightning
Europa is very cold which matches her white armor

terse lava
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@versed helm if you are interested, halo wiki page on the moon

versed helm
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thanks for sending, but yeah I heavily reviewed everything before choosing

terse lava
#

Alrighty

misty gull
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||Prophet: San-Shumyuun?||

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||Elite:Sangheili||

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||Grunt:Unggoy||

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||Jackal:Kig-Yar||

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||Hunter:Mgalekgolo||

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||Drone:Yanme'e||

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||Brute:Jiralinhae||

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||Engineer:Huragok||

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How'd I do???

gilded mason
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Misspelled two of 'em

misty gull
#

Which ones?

gilded mason
#

San-Shyuum and Jiralhanae

misty gull
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Thanks

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6/8 not bad if i do say so myself

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👐

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E G G

violet notch
misty gull
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Thanks man i had no idea how to do that i just put "SPOILER!!!" at the top

violet notch
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lol, yeah, that doesn't do much

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the point was so that other's couldn't simply read what you wrote

misty gull
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i know

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results hidden now

terse lava
#

Eh why not,
Prophets = ||San'Shyuum||
Elites = ||Sangheili||
Brutes = ||Jiralhanae||
Jackals = ||Kig-Yar||
Grunts = ||Unggoy||
Hunters = ||Mgalekgolo||separate eels called ||Lekgolo||
Drones = ||Yanme'e||
Engineers = ||Huragok|| (actually the forerunner name for them)
Did I win?

versed helm
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You didn't name what species unsc are

violet notch
#

||Homo Sapien||

versed helm
#

||Homo Sapiens Sapiens||*

unique rune
#

||nishum||

versed helm
#

No using slurs in this server, ||split-chin||

umbral merlin
#

Does the color of the jackals shield matter? Like does it mean hes more elite or is the shield just weaker? (halo 2)

last anchor
#

Yes. Blue shields are minors, orange is Majors

misty gull
viscid trout
#

In reach majors have red shoelds....for some reason

tacit charm
wintry igloo
#

So question about the flood. What happens when the flood wins and it devours the universe? Does it then slowly die out since there is no food for them? Or are they building world to 'farm' ?

zenith onyx
#

I did a check on something. So Master Chief was born March 7th 2511 and Halo Infinite takes place around September 19th 2561 [My source says somewhere after but I'll say September 19 for simplicity's sake because there is no NAILED IN DATE (My terrible source says)] which means. Chief's Mental age is 50 while his physical age is younger.

tacit charm
inland jackal
#

So how would covenant military leaders react to an elite being a general at a young age? Also would being 21 years old considered young for a general in the covenant?
(Cuz I'm writing a story about my sangheili fan character, so ya)

last anchor
#

Excessively young. Sangheili life spans reach into the hundreds of years (due to being warm blooded reptilian-like species, they grow slower and live longer)

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Also, to become a "general" in the Covenant military, you need to not only prove your skill in the field of combat, but also in the field of politics and religous ferver.

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Said Sangheili would need to survive all of that and then the inevitable attempted assasinations that would follow (see; how many people Thel Vadam put down during his time as just the leader of the Fleet of Particular Justice)

last anchor
inland jackal
last anchor
#

And the explanation for them accepting someone they probably still consider a child into their rank and file?

#

Actually, I need to grab Broken Circle again, there's some pretty good explanations on Sangheili culture in there

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Yeah, hang on...

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Okay lets see.

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So it says Thel was born in 2485...

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2530-2485 (or when we first see him in Cole Protocol)....

#

Huh, so hes only 45 when he leads the mission to the Rubble.

inland jackal
#

Can killing a spartan boost your rank as well? Cuz my leet is born in 2528

last anchor
#

If he could actually manage to kill a Spartan without getting turned into paste with a single blow? Probably

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By 2549 though, most of the weaker S-IIs were gone and the S-IIIs were fully in operation yet

#

I would say, instead of him killing one, hes the last remaining member of a group that Blue Team butchered their way through

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He got lucky, more than anything. Witnessed his fellow trainees charge one Spartan, thinking they could handle him in CQC, only to realize they blindly charged Fredric-104, and tasted his blades...

inland jackal
#

Well in my story my elite doesn't encounter blue team or chief till 2552

last anchor
#

Would he know its Fred though?

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Maybe he could recognize Fred when he sees him again, give some tension.

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Ala what happened between Spartan Kodiak and one of the Sangheili from Hunters in the Dark

inland jackal
#

Well that kinda messes with the plot I am already writing so no

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My story is FAR from halo lore

last anchor
#

Ah well that makes things easier

#

If its far from the lore, dont worry about it. Just write straight up

inland jackal
#

How about Xytan, since in my story the NOVA bomb incident doesn't happen, would a sangheili that reached the rank of a general so young peak his interest? @last anchor

versed helm
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The nova bomb incident

inland jackal
#

I like to call it that

versed helm
#

Me too, I like it

last anchor
#

Oh, you mean the UNSCs Strike at the Covenant Fleet?
Or do you mean the destruction of Gylke

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Glyke

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Both of those were NOVA bomb "incidents"

inland jackal
#

Like when the grunt activated the NOVA bomb

versed helm
#

Nothing is an incident, it is time

inland jackal
last anchor
#

No, thats the one from Ghosts of Onyx.
Glyke wasnt introduced until Halo Envoy

inland jackal
#

Oh oops

inland jackal
last anchor
#

Depends on how fast he heard it, considering it occured during the Great Schism and most of the remains of the Covenant had bigger things to deal with

inland jackal
last anchor
#

Timelines off mate.

inland jackal
#

AAAHHHHH

last anchor
#

The Fall of Reach happens in August of 2552.

inland jackal
#

I'm trying to say that Xytan doesn't die

last anchor
#

Oh well then he'd probably go to Onyx

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Annnddd get blown up by Kurt

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So he'd die later instead of sooner

inland jackal
#

Lol

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Well guess I won't change much then

last anchor
#

Thats usually for the best

inland jackal
#

Yup the 4v1 is staying lets gooooo

inland jackal
#

I wonder how ship masters who glassed colonies feel now after knowing the journey was a lie

humble yacht
#

There’s a story about that

inland jackal
#

Yeah, but i wanna know MORE

#

I wanna know how much an elite can bare on his soul chiefsmirkle

craggy sierra
#

I imagine most of them just shift blame onto the prophets and try to not actively think about it.

rich grail
#

Is it canon that the person who calls chief stud muffin is just a schizophrenic hallucination in his mental breakdown

viscid trout
#

What?

inland jackal
#

He's trying to say Cortana is just a hallucination due to chief facing some trauma

wispy wasp
#

Last time i checked, i don't think hallucinations cause people to flatline

last anchor
#

Yeah, pretty much.

viscid trout
#

I also don't think they cause ai rebellions.

ivory crow
gilded mason
terse lava
#

Still love that story

ivory crow
#

Thank you!

pulsar pivot
#

Have Glassing Beams ever effectively been used in space combat

gilded mason
#

They're energy projectors, so...yeah.

pulsar pivot
#

Oooh

#

I wonder if they have cut super carriers in half

river shoal
tacit charm
#

glassing beams are energy projectors though

river shoal
#

Yeah. Like playing with a Plasma flashlight. It burns where you aim it. Aiming it at the ground melts everything in its path. In space, it would be akin to a hot knife cutting through butter, doesn't matter what sort of Titanium the UNSC used.

versed helm
#

I wonder if as a contingency, the remaining humans could save up a ton of food and stay in slipspace for a long time until the population is bigger and are better trained? It's a stretch, but I think it sounds kind of interesting

pulsar pivot
#

How would they get away from the Guardians

#

Eventually they would have to stop

versed helm
#

Who knows

viscid trout
#

im also fairly certain guradians can intercept then in slipspace considering..you know...its a forerunner construct. chance4s are its designed to chase peole through slipspace as well,

terse lava
#

A guardian pulled a halo out of alupspace at the end of hw2, so expected

unique rune
#

It would be a very temporary measure at best considering basically every other major faction is better at navigating and/or manipulating slipspace than humanity

last anchor
viscid trout
#

While it was in slipspace.

last anchor
#

Aye

tidal crystal
#

Man I love this place, I just picked up the Halo Mythos book and got to say, it's a great refresher on most of the events leading up to infinite

void oar
#

Are drones/buggers/yanmee in the banished?

terse lava
#

Likely

brazen grail
#

No not that we know of. But it's possible

covert dawn
#

I'd love to see buggers return

main rivet
terse lava
#

Quite certain it is the guardian stopping the halo

dreamy pasture
#

Gotta agree, since we Saw a Guardian at the End too

tame steeple
covert dawn
#

Yeah them and the huragok were the only covenant species that could fly

stable flower
#

They were meant to be in Jul's Covenant but were cut sadly

ocean ibex
stable flower
#

So terrifying it's practically supernatural

ocean ibex
#

Still surprising that even the forerunners still had problems with radiation from slip space travel

tacit charm
vernal umbra
dawn knot
#

The one where there's the bomb

#

And Cortana likes crazy

tacit charm
tacit charm
vernal umbra
tacit charm
#

precursors

vernal umbra
slim thorn
terse lava
#

@slim thorn I am aware

tidal crystal
#

I do have a question, if the precursors were so advanced above comprehension, how did the forerunners take them out?