lore-and-universe

[tacit charm]

all episode except the one with the spartan 1337 is canon to halo

[versed helm]

ah yes the 1337 one was weird to me..

[craggy sierra]

It is called the odd one out

[viscid trout]

Shame. He was pretty cool

[sudden mica]

Did you not play halo 3? He survived the rings explosion and realized he fulfilled his responsibilities, so he took on a new goal to help chief-kinda.

[versed helm]

Don't you mean two

You're forgetting the samurai one

[versed helm]

I played it long time ago and i forgot almost everything

[sudden mica]

Oh, lol

[versed helm]

I like spartans
Because they have something i wanted to have

[sudden mica]

A pet goose?

[versed helm]

What is that

[sudden mica]

Just kidding with you

[versed helm]

Ok

I didn't get it anyway

[sudden mica]

it was pretty bad

[versed helm]

Why

😎

[tacit charm]

if you're referring to the duel or the one about the arbiter that is canon in fact i think it was frank o connor himself or someone high up that says the spartan 1337 was the only one that wasnt canon though he wished it was (that last part is not really important just a fun fact)

[versed helm]

Bruh that's some BS because you literally see a elite wearing samurai armor

[tacit charm]

and?

[versed helm]

And it shouldn't be canon dawg

[tacit charm]

this was hundreds of wars before the human cov war

wat

[versed helm]

It shouldn't be canon

[tacit charm]

i dont have an emote of smh

it is canon

its just the design of his suit

in fact halo 2 terminal you even see him

and the same arbiter

again everything besides 1337 is all canon

bruh

[unique rune]

Some of the visual depictions in Legends are a bit flexible in terms of canon but the events of The Duel are canon.

[tacit charm]

well its only the second cortana story otherwise its accurate to canon as it should be

[versed helm]

I have a question

Did Miranda ever find out chief killed her dad?

And did she know she was shaking the hand that caved his skull in and ripped his brains out?

[ivory crow]

I think if she did, and knew what the context of him doing so was, she probably would have thanked him for basically mercy killing him. I wouldn’t wish that fate on anyone.

[cobalt saddle]

he didnt kill him the flood did and the cheif just showed mercy

or he was just doing his job

hey what happens when a slipspace bomb detonates?

does the things inside go somewhere else?

or do they just.... vanish

[gilded mason]

It goes into Slipspace, and it doesn't come out

[cobalt saddle]

hmm

ok

[midnight loom]

well no

some stuff is shielded from slipspace

some is not

i would assume the stuff that isnt shielded just vanishes, or just just destroyed into its component particles

because slipspace is just space balled up and with lots of holes in it

[gilded mason]

Things that aren't shielded just get hit with a load of radiation from being inside slipspace, I'm pretty sure

[midnight loom]

i thought the shielding was for keeping them existing in thrid dimension

[gilded mason]

Not as far as I know

[midnight loom]

chief has armor, doesnt it protec from radiation?

yet he still had to stay inside the orange guys shield

[gilded mason]

Don't think so.

[midnight loom]

huh.

weird

i guess so then

but isnt matter 3rd dimensional?

slipspace is 0

[tacit charm]

no

[midnight loom]

?

[tacit charm]

its around 12ish dimensional

[midnight loom]

wait what.

[tacit charm]

it was either 11 or 12 i dont exactly remember the number

[midnight loom]

i thought it was explained by greg bear that slipspace is a tiny ball

[tacit charm]

tiny ball of wat

you mean unsc producing micro black holes for slipspace

[midnight loom]

yes

i thought slipspace was a tiny ball of the universe or the space around them at least with passage ways

[tacit charm]

slipspace is a separate dimension not a tiny universe or anything like that

[gilded mason]

https://www.halopedia.org/Slipstream_space

[midnight loom]

o

[gilded mason]

This would be helpful

[midnight loom]

ohhhh

ok

thanks

[gilded mason]

👍

[versed helm]

is point of light the book leading to infinite?

[humble yacht]

not really

there is a brief mention of Zeta Halo, but it's mostly it's own thing

Shadows of Reach thus far is the novel that most leads into infinite

[versed helm]

it is the newest halo novel isn’t it?

[humble yacht]

no

[last anchor]

Second to newest, Point of Light is newest

[versed helm]

i was meaning point of light lol

i’ve read shadows of reach, just haven’t been able to get point of light yet

[last anchor]

Dont worry about it if your more interested in tie ins to Infinite, Point of Light just ties up a bit of other stuff.

[torpid lily]

How long would a person usually live in the 2500s if they weren’t killed

[versed helm]

I believe human life expectancy in 2550s is 110 or somewhere in that area

[unique rune]

Waypoint's official average life expectancy says 80-90 Earth years

[versed helm]

They put everything into space exploration instead of medical care

UN moment

[ashen meteor]

Lol

Spartans be like inmortals

[loud kestrel]

or the opposite

u know they are the ones thrown in front of alien armies a lot

[terse lava]

I may be wrong, but think he may have met "immortals" in the form of the classic persian army

[versed helm]

Wasn't Mars described as being blue and green like Earth?, if so, then why was Mars still depicted as being a desert wasteland in Halo: Uprising?

Artistic license?

[unique rune]

Probably just an oversight

Probably also doesn't help that the first source to claim that Mars resembled Earth after being terraformed was published a good while after Uprising

[versed helm]

I still wonder what Mars's population in the Halo universe could be given that it was one of the first planets that was colonized by humanity in the late 21st century

Probably in the single digit billions

Thoughts?

[versed helm]

is there any spartan 2 who got back to their parents?

[west rune]

Naomi I guess

Is john 117 the only spartan to have a energy sword duel with a sanghielli?

[humble yacht]

Probably not

[hybrid ermine]

Does halo have in game explaination why CE magnum is so OP?

[humble yacht]

Explosive rounds

[limpid meadow]

All M6 pistols in the games use the same M225 explosive rounds.

[versed helm]

do you thnk Jerome will be in halo:infinite?

[terse lava]

Only if thr SOF ship appears

[versed helm]

i think it has to appear.. isn't it?

[gilded mason]

Why would it

[versed helm]

Master chief will have to escape new broken Halo ring with big ship

or there will be soldiers from SOF

[gilded mason]

Nah, it's not needed

[versed helm]

well but if you see the new trailer..

there's even new ai

hmm i am quite curious where it comes from btw

[terse lava]

Yeah...likely from the Infinity

[versed helm]

infinity..?

[terse lava]

The UNSC Infinity? The large human ships shown off in halo 4, spartan ops, and halo 5?

[versed helm]

i thought Cortana was the ai there

[terse lava]

No

[versed helm]

oh

[terse lava]

Cortana's original ship was the Pillar of Autumn, as it was for the mission she was created to partake in, Red Flag

She was only on the Infinity while chief woman briefing people on the didact

[humble yacht]

UNSC currently don’t use Smart AI for ships

For obvious reasons

[versed helm]

so there's no AI for infinity

[humble yacht]

Not currently

[versed helm]

mysterious.. where the new ai came from then

[humble yacht]

The Weapon was made specifically to defeat Cortana

[humble yacht]

woman briefing

[versed helm]

do you think that ai is thew new cortana for the further series?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

You’ll have to wait and see

[versed helm]

yea i mean she looks okay but i think i will feel weird if cortana is gone in further series

feeling big void

[terse lava]

Gotta love that auto correct, was met to be "was"

[versed helm]

haha

[humble yacht]

No, don’t you see

[gilded mason]

I'd feel the opposite. She had her big sendoff in Halo 4, continuing to parade her likeness around would just be weird for me.

[humble yacht]

It makes total sense

Chief needs to brief women, because unlike Johnson, he doesn’t know what the ladies like

[versed helm]

but still master chief wants to recover her tho

he wants to save her

[gilded mason]

Well, sometimes you can't have what you want

And saving a (remorseless) genocidal killer would be a bit weird

[humble yacht]

The irony of that statement is lost on so many halo players

[terse lava]

@gilded mason "the Developers decided to have you fade out respectfully and your legacy praded throughout the community. But ultimately the terms of your fate are up to me"- Microsoft

[versed helm]

ah right.. the genocidal killer............

[humble yacht]

Tbf, I don’t think she’s genocidal. I just think she doesn’t consider millions dead an unacceptable amount of collateral

[boreal breach]

Bit late, but I feel like Roland needs a friend here.

[gilded mason]

True, yeah. Though a bit of a relationship flag.

[humble yacht]

Sure

[versed helm]

roland and the other female ai who is partnering with Jerome

[terse lava]

Which is a pretty bad view, not going to win hearts that way

History repeats that whole dictator thing

[humble yacht]

Her morals have shifted to such an extreme version of consequentialism

It’s not realistic to follow her and see the good out of it

[terse lava]

@versed helm Isabelle

[versed helm]

yea that one Isabelle

[gilded mason]

Isabelle looks like an old teacher of mine, so seeing her sort of weirds me out.

[terse lava]

Odd

[versed helm]

lol

[humble yacht]

The Ark is currently isolated from the rest of the state of the halo universe. It’s not like the SoF crew knows about the Created situation

[terse lava]

Ugh, the "Created" what a lousy name

[humble yacht]

Or rather, they don’t know that the UNSC has recalled usage of smart AI

[versed helm]

that makes sense

if they were in deep space long time

[terse lava]

That awkward moment when the Covenant was apparently right on their AI views

[humble yacht]

Meh

The covenant tortured AI and broke them

That’s not better

[versed helm]

i want 343 focuses on side off stories a lot too

[terse lava]

Being that was only one

[versed helm]

i don't want to see Halo series ends after Master chief story :/

[terse lava]

Don't recall that fate for others

And they did have smart AI in eons past

[humble yacht]

The idea that children/progeny usurp and ultimately cause the downfall of their parents is a very traditional theme in mythology

[terse lava]

Yep

[humble yacht]

But it’s not like you tell people not to have kids because of it. You just hope you raise them right

[terse lava]

Correct

[versed helm]

What does Master chief feel about the Spartan 2 project?

I saw some stories that Spartan 2 members have mental issues from what happened to them when they were young

[gilded mason]

He feels glad that it happened to him specifically, since he likes he gets to help people, but he doesn't want anyone else to go through it.

[versed helm]

so he doesn't even think of his real family

i guess he got brainwashed very well then

[terse lava]

If I recall, he has some memories of his family, and he definitely remembers his childhood crush. A girl named Petra he saved from drowning and promised to marry and protect. He would encounter her again decades later during the Battle of Earth as she served as a marine, keeping a picture of the young John with her

[versed helm]

Where did you find it sir?

[tacit charm]

its from tales of the universe however the canonicity of the encounter has been put up to debate it really depends if you take halo 2 gameplay/story more canon than halo evolution

https://www.halopedia.org/Parisa

[barren plover]

Add craig as a easter egg

[hybrid ermine]

But m6 halo 2 seems not

[lament hornet]

Toa's right. M6 Series standard-issue rounds, is 12.7x40mm "SAPHE, labelled as SAP-HP in-game.

[last anchor]

Same ammo, different pistol model.

M6C through H2 so far.

I do remember there was a moment in the Reach Beta where people thought the one from it was the M6B for some reason, but it was later revealed to be the M6G with the optional scope still installed

CE is the D "Officers" model
2 is the C model
3 is the G
ODST is the SOCOM variant of the C
Reach is the G with x2 scope
4 is the M6H
5 is the M6H2.

in-game effectiveness does not refer to in-universe effectiveness.

[limpid meadow]

^^^

In the games, gameplay is king and take priority over canon accuracy.

Always keep that in mind with Halo

[last anchor]

If it wasn't, the game would probably be rated whatever the game equivilent of NC-18 is, considering what Covenant weaponry does to the landscape, buildings, and whatevers caught in the blast.

A Wraith mortar excavates a 20 foot wide glowing crater in the grown with each hit, vaporizing topsoil down to whatever they actually call plasma produced glass

Needlers are, obviously, horrifically devistating (thank you, Forward Unto Dawn, for displaying that even if it WAS a discression shot)

Even UNSC weaponrys pretty brutal. 8 gauge shotguns like the M90/T45 line are used in our world by police to STOP TRUCKS.
7.62mm is a battle rifle round, utilized in stuff like marksman rifles and some snipers. 9.5mm doesnt exist but is presumably insanely powerful.

And of course, the afformentioned 12.7x40mm SAP-HE, because sometimes you just want that enemy to not have organs anymore.

[frozen lagoon]

roughly what age in halsey's life is cortana equal to

[viscid trout]

No idea. Considering how time might work in the domain....nut probably older th3 halsey in ai years,

[terse lava]

Would say Cortana resembles Halsey in her early-mid 20s

[last anchor]

The Weapon seems to be younger than that interestingly

[ebon coyote]

okay so im replaying the Halo REACH campaign and im curious...was REACH restored to its former Glory or is it "just another Colony"??

as to why im asking here is because i heard it was the best place to ask since the repository of information in this channel is ENORMOUS

[humble yacht]

As of 2560, plans to recolonize reach are on hold due to an invasion by the banished followed by the Created

[ebon coyote]

...wait how did the Banished get there?? werent they removed from "Anders Halo" prior to it (and hers) departure??

[humble yacht]

There’s more banished than just the ones at the ark

[ebon coyote]

ahhhh okay that makes sense

im sorry im "new" to the lore and the reason i say "new" is because i havent been able to to download let alone read all the Halo Novels so i would say ALL of my information is slightly if not completely out of date

my information ends where Halo: the Ghosts of Onyx Begins

[humble yacht]

Have you tried going to a book store

[ebon coyote]

i suppose i could spend an entire day at a library just binge reading

i hadnt thought of that actually

we DO have a barnes and nobles nearby

think they would have the novels??

[humble yacht]

Only one way to find out

[ebon coyote]

very true

if i have anymore questions may i still ask them here??

[humble yacht]

sure

halopedia is also a great resource for basic info like when and where certain things happened

[ebon coyote]

i shall check that as well

[vast geyser]

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/halo-matt-forbeck/1121116307 you can check stock at local store

[ebon coyote]

my apologies for the warning thing i didnt realize it was bad

my apologies

anyways um thank you for the information @sinful pollen

its appreciated

🤗

and thank you as well @humble yacht

🤗

[gaunt oak]

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[ebon coyote]

ahhhhhh okay

so no pinging unless its like really important

kk

sorry

thanks again

oh okays

i mean its not like i could point and say "hey dude thank you and your awesome" lol so my apologies

see put me in a tactical situation i think i could figure my way out but stick me in a social setting...im a deer in headlights lol

[vast geyser]

ur fine bro

[ebon coyote]

anyways thanks again if i have anymore questions i shall try halopedia...then if im still confused ill ask yall for help 🙂

🤗

[versed helm]

jeez cheez... guys halo soundtracks are amazing. It's incredible this franchise has whole a lot of insane qualities in many aspects

[ebon coyote]

agreed

which one did you like most??

my choice of music simply depends on my mood at the time of playback...so to say i have favorites would be accurate but to say that i have a particular favorite for each mood would be more precise...but a harder selection process lol

[versed helm]

it's hard to say.. man...
there are so many good soundtracks through all series.. literally..
maybe

1. Spirit of fire
2. Under cover of night.
3. Winter Contingency
   etc...
   but i think winter contingency is the best soundtrack for me

[ebon coyote]

i see

out of that list i would select Winter Contingency

🙂

[versed helm]

Winter contingency makes me feel the feeling against covenants in Reach planet.

[versed helm]

good taste 😛

I thought you are mushroom from Supermario @ebon coyote

[ebon coyote]

🙂

...maaaaaaaaaaaaybe

😛

[versed helm]

i am confused why Microsoft doesn't make Halo blockbuster movies

it could be amazing series like Marvel

Halo has amazing soundtracks and characters.. and stories side off stories..

[ebon coyote]

it does seem like a missed oppurtunity

[versed helm]

hmmm

i know that they are trying to make live-action footage and dramas.. but not "movie"

[ebon coyote]

but i mean we have the books and at least in my opinion the movies RARELY outshine the books

simply because in a movie you see all the action and dialogue laid out in front of you but in the books it allows one to be much more shall we say imaginative

[unique rune]

There have been a couple attempts at Halo movies in the past but they've generally fallen through at some point in production

[ebon coyote]

and its even better for gaming because you actually get to immerse yourself in teh characters and become invested in them

[versed helm]

is there some reason?

[versed helm]

yea i feel that too but it's also amazing to see halo stories with high quality scenes

I felt this when I saw Halo ODST live-action trailer

[unique rune]

Financial stuff mostly, it seems
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_film

[versed helm]

ok let me check

[ebon coyote]

video gaming kind of equates to LARPing for me the only difference of course being while video gaming your giving yourself to the character as opposed to actually becoming the character...if that makes sense??

🤷

[versed helm]

@ebon coyote I mean I understand what you mean

I like FPS games because they make me feel like I am inside the world

[ebon coyote]

🙂

[versed helm]

who is the most important worker in halo franchise?

[humble yacht]

all of them

[versed helm]

ok..

Heyo

I have the books

Anyone else have them?

You know sometimes I can’t decide if Catherine is a terrible or great person

I was shocked that the bungie guy who presented Halo:ODST trailer in E3 also did the same job for Halo: infinite. I didn't know if that is the same guy..
becuase his appearance changed a lot :0

Yeah

I was shocked by it too

even his voice changed a lot like wth

It is the same guy isn’t it?

seems like his entire career went with halo franchise :0

yea it's the same guy he was younger surely.. when halo odst

Makes sense

I have a question for you

Or a couple rather

?

Some basic questions to know your serious

Who is Catherine Halsey?

didn't you play halo game

[tacit charm]

some lady

[versed helm]

Yeah bro I played all of them

And read all the books

then you sure know her bro..

[tacit charm]

[pallid sigil]

Lol

[ebon coyote]

shes in the books too

[versed helm]

Halo is awesome

hmm btw Dr.Halsey wasn't even in Halo:CE story right?
I wonder when I knew her first time hmmmm

I have been playing for 8 years

[pallid sigil]

I only have been for like 4 man

[tacit charm]

she was first in fall of reach and first strike

[versed helm]

what about game?

https://tenor.com/view/red-team-halo-halo-wars-gif-22616025

[tacit charm]

reach

[versed helm]

i am confused how i knew her

Bro Haley’s is the reason John is alive

Halsey*

why I feel like I knew her from 2002 when I played Halo:CE first time.. weird.. memory got f up..

[pallid sigil]

Why did the elites have a new look that is my question

[versed helm]

Uh?

Halo

Stuff

[pallid sigil]

Halo 4 and 5 got destroyed

[versed helm]

i don't think so... John is alive until humanity lasts..

[tacit charm]

different phenotypes

[versed helm]

john doesn't live for Halsey

he lives for humanity

[gilded mason]

Elites can come in a variety of appearances.

[versed helm]

I know

Elites have 3 ranks

Or 4

Darkwolfie. I am confused why you asked me about Dr.Halsey if you know a lot of things already

https://tenor.com/view/halo-dance-gif-15826110

I wanted to know if you know

Ig you tried to test my knowledge

yea that's what i thought..

Yeah

Sometimes I feel like I go deep into the story and people are like , what?!

So I was testing

well I like the story behind halo games

so it's fine for me

Same

[tacit charm]

would be nice if anyone on this server knew about or has worked out mac yields

[versed helm]

Eh

wats that

[tacit charm]

macs?

[versed helm]

and I think we all will be spartans in the future when VR is common in society right?

[gilded mason]

What?

[versed helm]

with super realistic graphics

You know the only thing that hasn’t really changed are the warthogs through the whole series so far

I can't wait that time ..

[versed helm]

i mean.. they have different branches and models now tho

Yeah

Like the gauess or rockets

[versed helm]

Agree

yea also reach showed us the new version just for transportation

I’m excited as hell bro

but actually I think if 4 Spartan 2 soldiers are in Warthog then it can't move. because they are so heavy

Also people are always shocked when they hear how young I am and how much I know with the halo universe it makes me kind of mad

or it will get so slower

[versed helm]

i mean no one asked your age here tho why are you introducing yourself here lol

[pallid sigil]

Reach had much more weapons and vehicles even with halo 5 with different kinds of weapons reach had ligit new weapons and the best possible game except for halo 3 ruby rebalanced

[versed helm]

I don’t know just thought I should get it out there so no one asked

[versed helm]

well I love Halo reach but i don't like the graphical aspect..idk it seems odd to me

Halo 3 and halo reach graphics were not for me

I hate when people refer to Combat Evolved as CE for some reason

It’s just a pet peeve of mine

when I was in halo 3 forest maps, I felt like everything is just light papers

[pallid sigil]

Poor noble 6 had to go through be ing called a hyper lethal spartan I feel bad he worked alone and died alone not even a friend..

[versed helm]

yea i like the reach story. it was amazing

personally, I really think someone should make the halo reach film version

[pallid sigil]

You are right

[versed helm]

also I loved halo reach all the live-action footage

i am not sure if you remember the footage reach people are living normally but then suddenly everything goes hell at the end of the trailer after the Convenant invation

for the last halo 3 terminal where mb writes "you are not worthy. not yet" is that in reference to the legendary version of the terminal?

it felt like i am watching a movie

How serious are you guys about halo lore?

[pallid sigil]

Carter: THE CONVENANT is on reach I repeat the CONVENTANT IS ON REACH after we fought a whole firefight

[versed helm]

not too.. i mean if it's too much serius it's somewhat.. weird..?

[versed helm]

That’s true I suppose but I am very serious

well.. that's you then..

True

I have some fav quotes from halo characters.. u guys have anything?

I do

wats that

“Finish the job noble” explosion

oh the Carter scene?

It bring a tear to my eye

I have another one

well Emile said something to Carter at that time.. I forgot it tho

hit it hard..? ig idk

[pallid sigil]

Your on your own noble. Carter out bonks into scarab

[versed helm]

“What, you gonna stand there all pretty looking”- The Sargent

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-halo-oorah-gif-15782884

[ebon coyote]

hey look man...shouldnt we go and kill some more aliens??

[versed helm]

oh hmm i am curious if Spartan soldiers don't feel fear

[pallid sigil]

"Well then they must love the smell of green" Sergeant johnson

[versed helm]

Yeah they do

they do?

but i never saw they feel that tho

they just die

[ebon coyote]

BLASPHEMY

spartans never die

[versed helm]

ok ok ..

[versed helm]

You hear ones voice crack in fear

[ebon coyote]

they are just missing in action

[versed helm]

mia

[pallid sigil]

KIA NAH

[versed helm]

Isn't it pain? not fear

[versed helm]

A bit of both

well..

Is no one going to talk about how in ODST a soldier is getting hit in throat with a gravity hammer and survives?

[pallid sigil]

Oh that's simple

Use the sniper to block it

[versed helm]

Oh yeah

[pallid sigil]

Some how making him live

[versed helm]

Makes sense but it still hit him

He was also hit with the blade part

Also the ODSTs who saved him are legendary

what are you guys talking about..?

[pallid sigil]

ODST

[versed helm]

Odst
Skyline

I played it but long time ago

When they fight the chieftain

And the sniper dude gets injured

Romeo

[pallid sigil]

Dude halo 2 is so insane tho

[versed helm]

hmm i recently found that ODSTs don't like Spartan soldiers

[pallid sigil]

Use energy sword to fly across the map

[versed helm]

In the books ODSTs are freaking fearless

John 117 killed 3 ODSTs for the strength test

Yeah he did

and he wasn't punished

But they hate Spartans in general

oh really

i didnt know that

No one really knows why

i assume that they thought they are the best soldiers in the army..

[humble yacht]

it's because they took their jobs, largely

[versed helm]

but then the stronger ones appeared... so maybe that's why?

true cause they were there first

poor

they thought they are the best

The Spartan project tore them up

yea that makes sense

[pallid sigil]

Dude the top 5 scariest levels?

[versed helm]

Cue the first map

but the important thing is... if there was only ODST humanity couldn't win in the war

The meeting thebflood map in CE

[pallid sigil]

Cortana in halo 3

[versed helm]

Spartans made humanity wins

ONCE A HELLJUMPER ALWAYS A HELLJUMPER

[pallid sigil]

Spartans are just stolen kids for war

[versed helm]

most of them

isn't it only for Spartan 2?

No

[pallid sigil]

Except for spartan IV

[versed helm]

The first and second gens

oh

The third was volenterry

Mostly

hmm weird

[pallid sigil]

Jorge is the only spartan II while everyone else is spartan III

[craggy sierra]

They really weren't

[versed helm]

then I assume Spartan 2 is the best Spartans.. because they had trained from their childhood

John is here! Get into formation!!

[native grove]

Mostly

[versed helm]

lol

[versed helm]

Yes Spartan 2 are the strongest and most skilled

and most of them MIA too

[craggy sierra]

You can't ask a kid to join the millitary to get revenge for their parents at the age of 6. They do not have the proper judgement for that.

[native grove]

lol

[versed helm]

Not MIA just blown to dust

strongest soldiers were in the most dangerous missions and MIA

[pallid sigil]

John-117 is a spartan II he is one of the hyper lethals

[versed helm]

it's natural somewhat

[pallid sigil]

Except for noble 6

[humble yacht]

hyper lethal
uh oh

[craggy sierra]

They're all hyper lethal

[unique rune]

...Not really.
Spartan-IIIs were augmented and trained pretty much just as well as the -IIs. They just received largely inferior armor for cost reasons.

[humble yacht]

we got another one who fell for the marketing

[craggy sierra]

Every spartan, every generation, all hyper lethal

[versed helm]

the problem of Halo games is that they can't describe how fast Spartan 2 soldiers are

[humble yacht]

trained harder, actually

[versed helm]

Not natural they are hyper stimulated and ejected with growth hormone 56 percent of gen 2 died during the process which is why gen 2 is rare

do u guys remember the Halo 5 scene Locke Vs. Master Chief...
I was like.. WTH ? why they are so slow in fight????????

[native grove]

yes when i play the games it feels slow compared to how fast i really run

[ebon coyote]

lets face it the only way to kill a 2 is to glass him or her from orbit...

[pallid sigil]

Or nuke?

[versed helm]

i totally agree with u man

[versed helm]

In the books they move at lightning speeds

[ebon coyote]

they will bend spindle break and or mutilate the enemy on the ground

[versed helm]

did you guys see the Halo legends animation Package?

if you see this animation, you can see how actually they can fight

[native grove]

well thats a bit of an exaggeration

[craggy sierra]

Uh...no. chief nearly got killed multiple times on his career by grunts.

[pallid sigil]

John-117 scares a grunt "boo"

[versed helm]

True, but you have to remember this is a hyper stimulated Exo skeleton

it's not really lightening speeds but it's super fast

[craggy sierra]

And the grunt was so scared that Bungie forgot to animate him

[versed helm]

it';s something we never saw in our real life

[versed helm]

“Blurring speeds” - the books

[pallid sigil]

Poor grunt

[versed helm]

i watched the youtube video explaining the Spartan 2 soldiers strength

it's just mind blown

they are on another level

[unique rune]

Uh.
What video.

[versed helm]

their physical reaction time is just crazy actually

[humble yacht]

i think i know

[versed helm]

i will leave the link wait..

[ebon coyote]

yall can call me whatever whatever but i personally cant play Halo Combat evolved because of the death screams of the grunts

[humble yacht]

no don't

just say what it is, lol

[ebon coyote]

i mean its tugs crazy hard at my heart strings

[craggy sierra]

Or just who made it

[native grove]

another way to kill me is trow me into a black hole

[pallid sigil]

Spartan II have sixth sence it feels like

[versed helm]

Nope because you have travels through one many times

[craggy sierra]

No that's called motion tracker

[versed helm]

https://youtu.be/HaqeZ8FY_vc?t=310

[native grove]

snap even i did not know that

[versed helm]

Actually it’s a hyper stimulated EXO skeleton

[ebon coyote]

grunts are kinda cute too they are like the Halo version of Minions...SO. CUTE lol

[versed helm]

I heard normal people can't wear the Spartan suits am i correct?

[craggy sierra]

I don't think you know what a sixth sense is

[unique rune]

Grunts are cute until you see them without their rebreathers.

Also until you hear that they eat people.

[versed helm]

Bro don’t underestimate grunts! They are ruthless enemies willing to commit sadoku to kill you

[ebon coyote]

they eat people?? i thought only jackals did that

[pallid sigil]

How to make fun of grunts.. grunt birthday party skull activities

You monster

[versed helm]

That is only jackets

Grunts eat people?? never heard of it

jeez

No only jackets

i thought grunts are cute

Jackels*

oh

[ebon coyote]

jackals and elites are always so satisfying to murder (yes that scares me more than just a little to say that out loud lol)

[unique rune]

Grunts, Jackals, and Brutes are all mentioned as eating humans at one point or another in Halo media.

[versed helm]

No they are ruthless warriors not to be reckoned with

hmm

intersitng

[versed helm]

My bad

"Demon!!!"

[pallid sigil]

To many grunts because they breed too fast

[native grove]

did you guys know that all the wars and stuff happened because of a virus and i have a feeling that thats what might happen to earth

[versed helm]

they breed too fast..

lol

because of virus? what do u mean

[ebon coyote]

you know they say those who uh...hump and dump alot have great healing properties lol

[pallid sigil]

Flood?

[native grove]

yea

[versed helm]

it happened because floods invaded colonies

[native grove]

forgot the name

[versed helm]

Yeah but it wasn’t a virus it was a intelligent virus THAT TRAVELD LIKE A VIRUS but not a virus

Covenant vs human war happened because they invaded human colonies

Planet reach

[gilded mason]

What is happening here

[unique rune]

I don't know and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

[versed helm]

No it happens because of the precursers

[ebon coyote]

no i would say that religious fanaticism resulted in the Human Covenant war

[humble yacht]

alot of incomplete knowledge

[versed helm]

but that's what Convenant had

[versed helm]

I have been researching for 8 years bro

[gilded mason]

It's like a feedback loop

[limpid meadow]

Technically, everything happened because of the Precursors

[ebon coyote]

hides behind dont dread on me

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[versed helm]

I just said that

The precursers did it all

Precursors?

[native grove]

btw guys how the hell can i go thorough black holes but almost die a bunch of times because of inferior reasons

[versed helm]

wait.. this is something i never heard.. before

[versed helm]

They are an ancient race that created all life

[limpid meadow]

Precursors are ancient beings that seeded the galaxy with life. They seem to pre-date the universe, too

[versed helm]

how do u guys know it? I never saw them in halo games!

[versed helm]

That’s what I said but more detailed that was a good explanation

[limpid meadow]

It's from the books

[versed helm]

that's shame.. only for books

[native grove]

how do you exist before the universe i mean it makes no sense

[versed helm]

I got the books

[gilded mason]

The books hold a lot more information than the games do

[craggy sierra]

Like the 30+ books that exist outside the games

[pallid sigil]

Halo wars 2 was weird because why didn't master chief just turn off the firing mechanism in halo combat evolved if Anders can easily do it

[craggy sierra]

Specifically the forerunner trilogy

[versed helm]

4 important ones

[limpid meadow]

The universe isn't all that exists

[versed helm]

creator of all life.. wth? is it then God? lol

[limpid meadow]

It was the UNSC's first encounter with a Halo.

[humble yacht]

because anders didn't have to worry about a monitor trying to kill her

[native grove]

well thats out of what my brain can comprehend

[versed helm]

Toa you are freaking awesome dude, taking the words right out of my mouth

[craggy sierra]

Pretty much

[unique rune]

Oh neat my local library system approved my purchase suggestions for Renegades and Point of Light.
Still a no go for the Spartan Field Manual. Blast.
Ah well.

[limpid meadow]

Nice!

[pallid sigil]

Like how does anyone know anything when they go into cryo sleep

28 years

[native grove]

Who else has the original x box and the first halo game

[versed helm]

I do

i sold them..

years ago

because it didn't work anymore

[versed helm]

They have monitors that display info on the people inside

I bought it in 2002

[limpid meadow]

A discussion of collectibles might be better suited for the #halo-gear channel

[versed helm]

okay

sir

[unique rune]

Think I'm probably due for a re-read of the Forerunner Trilogy soon...

[pallid sigil]

People get so triggered that running is a thing now

[limpid meadow]

Same. Been far too long

[versed helm]

Toa you are awesome you are saying everything I’m trying to say

[native grove]

mine still works like brand new

[versed helm]

Precursor .. Forerunner... different ancient kinds...

[limpid meadow]

Basically, yeah

[versed helm]

you manged them well then sir good job

so.. lol did precursor create Forrunners too?

Yes

[limpid meadow]

Precursors are first hinted at in Halo 3's terminals and the Bestiarum, but only really fleshed out in the Forerunner Saga

[versed helm]

They created all life existing in the halo universe

[pallid sigil]

Precursor is just a gravmind but even smarter

[limpid meadow]

The Precursors seeded all life in the Milky Way

[versed helm]

now.. i feel like halo lore is going too far..

[pallid sigil]

This is the usual

[versed helm]

That’s just what we know bro

i am not sure.. if the creator theory fits stories..

[limpid meadow]

Oh, it goes even deeper my friend.

[versed helm]

Toa I wouldn’t go into detail it would take to long

[limpid meadow]

The Precursors are also partly why the Flood exists. The Flood are corrupted Precursors, technically speaking.

[versed helm]

I know all of the crap (so far)

[pallid sigil]

"For a brick he flew pretty good" Sergeant Johnson will be remembered

[versed helm]

you mean the gravemind

The flood is the precursers in a different form

[craggy sierra]

You're like a decade late on this lore.

[versed helm]

i mean.. i usually enjoyed the lore through games

[limpid meadow]

More or less, yeah

[versed helm]

The flood has different stages corresponding to its infect ivory and

Everyone one it infects

yea i dont know the details but precursor thing .. i am not sure if this is what i expected abotu halo story

[limpid meadow]

If you ever want a quick catch-up, the book Halo Mythos is a good one. Covers everything from Precursors to the doorstep of Halo Wars 2

[native grove]

Didact was like the only bad egg the other enemies where just like misleaded and other dum ressons but Didact was a real bad egg

[versed helm]

The amount of pain described in getting trapped in a pre- gravemind is absolutely insane

[versed helm]

thanks i will check them out

[native grove]

now i have to go back to sleep hopefully not for a decade

this time

[versed helm]

We will wake you when foward off to dawn (again) lol

[native grove]

lol

[versed helm]

i mean why i feel weird about Precursor is u said it's flood
and flood was just primitive swarm aliens to me from halo:CE

[native grove]

bye

[craggy sierra]

Don't get lore and story confused

[versed helm]

but they were the creator of all life.. ;=;

Yes and no

[versed helm]

okay sir..

The precursers are flood and flood are corrupted precursers

[limpid meadow]

More or less, but this is all deep-background lore.

You don't need to know about it to enjoy and engage with Halo's core story

[versed helm]

what do you mean by "corrupted" here?
like politically corrupted?

[versed helm]

Toa what’s crazy is how much agony and pain is described when getting trapped in a flood cycle

[versed helm]

They turned bad

[limpid meadow]

Very true

[versed helm]

It’s kind of scary to thing of the pain really

Sometimes in a regular flood getting infected can leave you alive

really? lol

[limpid meadow]

Long story short: the Precursors, to escape a genocide by ancient Forerunners, turned themselves into dust that would, they hoped, be reconstituted after the danger had passed. Instead, it drifted through space for millions of years, degrading and decaying, becoming the seeds of the Flood.

[versed helm]

i thought they are just like zombies

dead bodies

So it breaks your spine and snaps your bones all while you alive and grows and alters your arms and legs as your agonizing existence continues as a flood with no (real) control over your body and you feel all of the pain

[humble yacht]

the transformation process is painful but it kills 99.99999% of the infected

[craggy sierra]

That only happens if the parasite that takes you is weak I believe

[humble yacht]

only one known case of someone surviving transformation

[versed helm]

It’s very rare to live but it has happend

holy.. halo gets serious too much now ;=; i didn't know thats happening to people

it's somehow "horror" genre then

[craggy sierra]

That was like 2002 lore

[limpid meadow]

The Flood itself is very much horror itself.

There are stories of the Library giving people nightmares back in the day

[craggy sierra]

Existential horror more than standard horror

[limpid meadow]

And if I had a nickle for every time someone asked for a Flood-based survival-horror game, I'd have a ton of nickles

[versed helm]

Before you die you go through extremely agonizing pain as it blasts noise through your eardrums as you let out in pain as all bones in your body break and your body grows as you meet your death after what could be minutes hours or even years until you die

[humble yacht]

what?

no, the death is pretty instanaeous

[versed helm]

Depends on what type

[gaunt oak]

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[humble yacht]

nobody but jenkins was conscious of what their body was doing

[limpid meadow]

The Flood transformations in H3 aren't instantaneous

[versed helm]

Yeah but you still feel everything

[craggy sierra]

All types except for that one dude who was taken by a weak parasite in The Flood

[humble yacht]

please disable pings when replying @versed helm

you feel the transformation but when your dead, your dead

[versed helm]

Yes

Very true

[humble yacht]

your consciousness gets uploaded to the Flood but that's a separate aspect

[versed helm]

Yeah that’s a whole different story

hmm then generally they just die right after the infection

its better then ig

Mostly after a couple of minutes

[humble yacht]

more like seconds

[versed helm]

but can we save people who got infected ?

[humble yacht]

no

[versed helm]

Nope

even 1 second?

infection time 1 second

The only thing you can do is blow them to bits

No it takes seconds or sometimes minutes

Sadly

[humble yacht]

pod infectors transform hosts in seconds

[versed helm]

Yes

like lets say flood infected a hand and u cut the hand quickly right away

[humble yacht]

the only time infection has been on the slower side has been when elites inhaled spores

[versed helm]

Nope you bones are already snapped and you would be to distracted as the flood enfolded your body

oh okjay lol

[humble yacht]

pod infectors don't go for the hand

they go for your chest or back

or head

[versed helm]

that makes sense

is there any spartan soldier who became flood?

[humble yacht]

no

[versed helm]

good

[humble yacht]

but there are simulations of that

[versed helm]

Ok in the seconds you are alive you would feel everything in your body deform and break as your eardrums burst from the high pitched white noise driving you mad and then death

[limpid meadow]

Not that we know

[versed helm]

simulations?

Yes

[limpid meadow]

There are protocols in place in case that should happen

[humble yacht]

there are also anti-Spartan Flood protocols

[versed helm]

oh that's cool 🙂

The anti Spartan flood protocols are freaking nukes

[unique rune]

Flood combat forms where the infector lodges itself in the victim's mouth still make me very uncomfortable.

[versed helm]

i'ts disgusting 😛

[humble yacht]

the Infected Head spartans in H2A infection

good stuff

[lament hornet]

Very lovely nod to Halo's Aliens inspirations

[versed helm]

Anti Spartan flood protocols require a special unit (Spartan Hazard Unit) to terminate infected personal emmdietly and if they fail they resort to nuking the last known position

is it because an infected spartan is too strong or what?

Ok so

When a person is infected they learn everything that person knew so the flood would know how to work weapon systems and the armor by it’s self with a lot more speed and strength

[gilded mason]

It might be because if a Spartan was able to get infected, it's a symptom of a much greater infestation than previously thought, or something.

[versed helm]

oh right.. that!

and also spartans are related to a lot of secret missions

Yes

i assume spartans will be infected easily too just like normal humans

So they know the whole layout and where teams come from and the protocal to kill them so they will prevent the protocal which could cause death to millions

The Spartans are very hard to infect

[gilded mason]

This would imply nukes would be dropped whenever any important personnel is infected, correct?

[versed helm]

Their helmet is sealed tight

Yes

[humble yacht]

spartans are only hard to infect because they are better at killing

[versed helm]

i think floods can just break the visor easily

[limpid meadow]

This is most likely it. Reading over the verbiage in the Field Guide, it implies the nuke is a last resort after sending in a Spartan.

[humble yacht]

pod infectors are perfectly capable of breaching MJOLNIR

[gilded mason]

And really, we've got a lot of infected Elites, and they're of comparable-ish skill to Spartans

[lament hornet]

Read The Flood, an infection form leapt onto Chief and tore the bodysuit near his neck. Cortana zapping it off is the only reason our lad wasn't infected.

[versed helm]

Yeah of course nukes are last resort but if the squads get killed boom nuke is getting dropped and no one is getting out even the allies would get nukes

They will drop a nuke on their own people if the Spartan infected is nearby

[lament hornet]

Having to initiate the CORRUPTER broadcast, is something you hope you never need to have happen due to the extreme consequence of it.

[versed helm]

I have the flood

The fall of reach

And the first strike

All are connected I bealive

Does Dr.Halsey know about Precursor

Yeah bro

I mean duh

Ish

i guess she is the only one who knows the deepest truth of halo universe then

[limpid meadow]

Probably not

[versed helm]

oh?

They know a bit

But not a lot

[limpid meadow]

ONI knows about the Precursors, but Halsey probably doesn't.

[versed helm]

True

[versed helm]

wow ONI!?

[versed helm]

Chill bro

how could they know it... more than Halsey knowws..

[limpid meadow]

Yeah. They recovered some Forerunner logs with mentions of them.

Those logs/records make up the fictional basis for the Forerunner Saga.

[versed helm]

We were talking about the infected Spartan protocal and what happens

[limpid meadow]

So basically: everything in the Forerunner Saga of books is known to ONI (as an organization, not on an individual level).

[versed helm]

i feel like ONI will try to contact Precursors then

Can’t

[limpid meadow]

They can't. Precursor are all dead or gone.

[lament hornet]

They're free to contact 'Precursor' all they want, just go find the Flood.

[limpid meadow]

Not counting the Flood, of course.

[versed helm]

they all gone?

Yeah that’s a death wish

how can it be confirmed?

[lament hornet]

Yes, Precursors are surmised to be long-dead

[versed helm]

maybe there's some precursors in the deep space

https://tenor.com/view/haloflood-flood-halo2-halo-haloflooddog-gif-20064162

[limpid meadow]

It honestly can't be confirmed with absolute certainty, but they aren't around in our galaxy anymore

[versed helm]

Watch the link to see what the flood does

[versed helm]

it's just choking

[limpid meadow]

The Librarian did make an effort to bring back the Precursors as they once were. We finally got to see that effort plant its seeds in Halo: Point of Light

[versed helm]

Nope

It’s cutting into his throat

And trying to infect him

[versed helm]

great!

[limpid meadow]

It'll be millions and millions of years before that effort pays off, however.

[versed helm]

well i dont wannat watch it more then

[versed helm]

Lol

[versed helm]

That’s halo for ya

oh but maybe human is precursor?

[limpid meadow]

They aren't

[versed helm]

That doesn’t make sense

i saw a video that human and forerunner had war in ancient time

[limpid meadow]

Humans and Forerunners share a common ancestor, though.

[versed helm]

Yeah

humans were so advanced

[limpid meadow]

They did, yeah

[versed helm]

so ig they could be precursor

They nukes us and we restarted life

[limpid meadow]

They aren't

[lament hornet]

On the topic of Precursor - Given Installation 07 was the last place where the Primordial resided during the Forerunner-Flood war. I'm hoping we get data and further info on him, during the campaign. Would be such a missed opportunity otherwise

[limpid meadow]

Fingers crossed!

[versed helm]

Installation 07... Halo infinity? right

The covident nuked is and we had to restart life

Us*

[lament hornet]

Installation 07 = Zeta Halo, the ring we're on in Infinite, yeah

[versed helm]

oh then i guess you are right .. 343 will try to show gamers about Precursor story then

and the further stories could be related to Precursors

[lament hornet]

And of course, the other significant factor, of it being the last remaining ring from the long-gone greater array. So much history is there

[versed helm]

We know a lot about it though so I doubt it

i mean but genuine gamers dont know it like me

[limpid meadow]

There's something kind of funny how Installation 07, currently the old of the Halo rings, was once Gyre 11, implying it to be one of the newer rings within its line.

[versed helm]

True

Honestly I’m so confused I spent most of my research on the flood and the UNSC so I don’t know about the rings and stuff I know that they are weapons and that’s it do you guys know where I can find more info?

[versed helm]

i hope i can feel HALO CE vibe 😛

[limpid meadow]

Halopedia always has more

[gilded mason]

Yup, Halopedia is a nice and quick reference

[versed helm]

Alrighty then thanks guys

[lament hornet]

Probably the best second-source of Halo lore you can read up from (First being the books, obviously)

[limpid meadow]

The book Halo Mythos that I mentioned earlier is another great resource.

[versed helm]

Halo rings were created by Forerunners to wipe out Floods

[limpid meadow]

Correct

[versed helm]

i think that's everything about Halo rings

I’m going into cryo so wake me up when I’m ready bye guys

"to wipe out floods"

[limpid meadow]

That's their primary purpose but not their only function.

[versed helm]

Gets in*

see ya darkwolfie

[limpid meadow]

And depending on what you're looking to learn, there's even more to know.

[versed helm]

i mean.. they were built to be weapon

i assume no more about it

[gilded mason]

Sure, but it's not all they're used for

[limpid meadow]

Weapons, arks for life itself, possibly more.

[versed helm]

ah right the ark.

[humble yacht]

Research facilities

[versed helm]

but actually it doesn't make sense forerunners built those facilities in Halo rings

[limpid meadow]

I wasn't referring to the Ark there, but just comparing the Halos to arks (as in Noah's ark)

[versed helm]

building research stuff in a weapon..

[limpid meadow]

The rings also hold indexed samples of life from 100,000 years ago and can restore it as necessary

And yeah, Flood samples are kept there to study

The Flood is an extra-galactic threat, so destroying all samples of it would doom whomever came after.

[versed helm]

meaning we may see Floods again in halo infinite..

[humble yacht]

Hopefully not

[limpid meadow]

It's always possible, but I don't think it's likely.

[gilded mason]

Yeh

[limpid meadow]

Maybe in the years to come, but not this year.

[versed helm]

oh is it released this year? i thought next year lol

due to the quality issues

[limpid meadow]

Nope, this year. Probably November.

That was last year

[versed helm]

great!! that's a big news to me thanks

I recently watched halo wars story videos

and I think halo infinite will include halo wars story

the female doctor Anderson? she went to installation 07 at the end

[humble yacht]

No she didn’t

[versed helm]

ok but she went to some halo ring

something like warp

[gilded mason]

09, yes

[limpid meadow]

Installation 09, another repalcement for Installation 04

[humble yacht]

The second replacement for Alpha Halo

[versed helm]

now puzzles.. there. Anders will find precursor things there
and master chief may escape from installtion 07 and get a new journey towards 09

[humble yacht]

Anders

Ellen Anders

[versed helm]

ok thanks

[limpid meadow]

Professor Ellen Anders

lol

[versed helm]

Wasn't it said that Anders sort of hated Halsey?

[limpid meadow]

Sorry I can't hit enter as fast 😛

[humble yacht]

She earned that degree

[limpid meadow]

Yeah, in Halo Wars: Genesis, I believe

[humble yacht]

She deserves to be recognized

[versed helm]

why hating the genius scientist? lol

i thought she would rather respect her

If I had to work with Halsey, I'd probably hate her too

as a scientist

[gilded mason]

Halsey's a hard person to like

[limpid meadow]

We don't know, but Anders worked with Halsey at some point and they had a falling out.

Very true

[humble yacht]

Halsey kidnapped a bunch of kids and experimented on them

Then made clones of them so their families wouldn’t go looking

[gilded mason]

I don't think Anders knew about that

[limpid meadow]

Well, technically she didn't experiment on them. She knew what was likely to happen going in.

Definitely not

But Halsey is hard to like even without the child kidnapping and torture

[versed helm]

i mean that thing about Halsey.. the result of her job saved humanity in the end
that's why Anders can keep her research in her life meh

[humble yacht]

It was experimentation because the outcomes were not always as expected

[versed helm]

if Halsey didn't research Spartan projects then Anders coudln't exist anymore after the invasion

[humble yacht]

Just because Spartans saved humanity doesn’t mean their creation was highly unethical

That’s like saying it’s ok to kill 100,000 people if it helps you figure out the cure for cancer

[versed helm]

that's true too but i am saying we can't ignore the achievements just

[humble yacht]

You can’t use the achievements to justify either

[gilded mason]

Anyway, Anders not liking Halsey is understandable. Halsey's actions with the Spartans justifiable, or not.

[versed helm]

i mean i think it's complicated imo i can't just blame everything of a person if there was some benefits

[humble yacht]

You can acknowledge that some good came out of a bad situation without glorifying her

[versed helm]

yea that's the good point

[humble yacht]

Anders recognizes Halsey as probably the smartest person in the galaxy, but it doesn’t mean she has to like her

[versed helm]

yea that's correct

How’s Halsey smartest? Just because she made the Spartan program doesn’t make her the smartest in the damn galaxy.

[gilded mason]

Smartest that we know of.

[versed helm]

she isn't smartest but she is the one who did the biggest impact on humanity's future

Not even smartest that we know of.

The lore and expanded universe just doesn’t allow it.

[humble yacht]

Halsey is also the primmenent human expert on forerunner tech

[versed helm]

why I feel like Halsey will die in the game later..

[gilded mason]

Do you know of anyone smarter currently alive in the lore?

[humble yacht]

Iirc she is also a PhD and an MD

[versed helm]

I think Halsey will pay her guilty later

[versed helm]

No, but there’s the whole of ONI etc.

with death

and regretting the Spartan 2 proj

[gilded mason]

ONI isn't necessarily smart. Just ruthless.

[humble yacht]

ONI went to her for the spartan project because they knew she was the best

MJOLNIR was her idea

[versed helm]

so Halsey suggested kidnapping children and ONI accepted it? or was ir ONI's plan

Didn't the idea for both the Mjolnir armor and the Spartan program come from the Librarian's imprint?

[humble yacht]

It was Halsey’s idea

She needed kids for the procedure

[versed helm]

oh Halsey's idea...... bro.. now i think she is psycopath then

[gilded mason]

She laid out suggestions on how to accomplish ONI's goals, and they said "Yep, sounds good. Go do that."

[versed helm]

lol wth

all of them are crazy then

[gilded mason]

They were willing to do anything to keep control, and power.

[versed helm]

A state within a state

[humble yacht]

Halsey isn’t insane. She just has a different set of morals

[versed helm]

how can someome think of "kidnapping childrens" to make them "soldier" geez
it's like Nazi's biology experiement thingy

[humble yacht]

Because she wanted to avoid large scale civil war

[versed helm]

Is that journalist dude still locked up within the Midnight Facility?

[humble yacht]

Yes

[gilded mason]

Nazis were less scientific with their experiments. It was mainly to just make them suffer, if I remember correctly.

[versed helm]

What was his name again?

so she is a person who thinks forced scarifice is glory for the big things

[humble yacht]

Benjamin Girard

Halsey wasn’t interested in glory

[gilded mason]

Yeah, she truly thought it was the only way to stop mass death.

[versed helm]

What other prisoners are currently incarcerated in the Midnight Facility?

[humble yacht]

Halsey had good intentions. Her actions were just very cruel and unethical

[gilded mason]

A San'Shyuum is also there

[versed helm]

she could just develop Spartans in halo 5

[gilded mason]

Hm?

[humble yacht]

No she couldn’t

[versed helm]

not kidnapping kids

[gilded mason]

SIVs already exist

[versed helm]

training professional soldiers

So where could the Midnight Facility be located?

[humble yacht]

At the time of the spartan 2s, adults were not capable of becoming Spartans

[gilded mason]

"Somewhere"

[versed helm]

Spartan 1 tho

[humble yacht]

The augmentations were not compatible with adults

Not real Spartans

They were just slightly better humans

[versed helm]

What if all of humanity's scientific and technological achievements were the result of the seeds that the Librarian imprinted in humanity's genes?

[humble yacht]

The inefficiency and ineffectiveness of the spartan 1s is why Halsey thought up the spartan 2 program

[versed helm]

there should be some big story for Spartan 2 soldiers then.. i mean their deepest place in mind

not just showing "super lethal aspect"

[gilded mason]

Not sure what you mean.

[versed helm]

i am sorry i meant halo game should describe Spartan 2's background story

because it just shows "heros"

something like drama genre

[gilded mason]

Halo 4 and a bit of 5 went into it

[versed helm]

yes b ut i believe it's not from Spartan soldier
just third person story

[humble yacht]

A halo game isn’t going to have you play as the Spartans when they were kids

[versed helm]

Anyone?

maybe in the future

i mean i find that can be very interesting

[gilded mason]

It seems possible

[versed helm]

putting deeper feeling on halo game stories

[gilded mason]

After all, if there was no geas, humanity's development in Halo would have been way different.

[versed helm]

i personally dont think so.. because humans were advanced in the ancient universe era too

so they are just smart species itself

[gilded mason]

Though who knows how long it took for them to develop to that state

[versed helm]

yea that can be true too.

i think 343 will talk about that kind of things more on further story

Also, why do I still have the feeling that some Forerunners are still out there somewhere?

[gilded mason]

Hopefully not

[versed helm]

i don't want to see the romance between cortana and chief in halo inifnite

it was enough in halo 4, 5

[gilded mason]

Because they are. Just probably not in this galaxy