Like the coloring, shading, and inking is fine
#lore-and-universe
last anchor
And several other ones besides, including portions of Earth itself (see the new map Bazzar, in the rebuilt section of Old Mobasa)
minor sky
Ah, ok
Just wanted to double check
Also, it is canon that A.I. are able to time travel in some form like in ilovebees, right? Iirc Frank did say the Arg was canon
unique rune
Elements of i love bees are canon but the bits about time travel are more a result of anomalous circumstances than they are a regular ability of AI.
minor sky
Ok
fickle turret
hey does anyone know a good website to start learning halo lore?
unique rune
Halopedia probably wouldn’t be a bad place to check out
fickle turret
ok thanks
fickle turret
@unique rune thanks alot for the website it is very good and im learning quite alot
final cedar
Rq, wasn't it said somewhere that the Cortana we see in H5 was a Rampant splinter of the original Cortana that came in contact with the Domain?
Like literally a single rampant splinter that managed to survive?
gilded mason
More a collection of those splinters that combined into one
Talked about in the comic Dominion Splinter.
final cedar
Aight, thanks
gilded mason
👍
woven plaza
What are the lore implications of Laser Broom technology existing in the Halo universe
unique rune
Humanity has apparently engineered a cleaning method that sounds very inefficient
woven plaza
right but what are the socioeconomic implications
last anchor
Probably the same as standard brooms in our world.
unique rune
my immediate assumption is that it sounds like a silly trend that does little to actually improve the appliance
kinda like the whole ‘smart’ device thing we have going on now
last anchor
Beamish has a standard mop in Forward Unto Dawn. Take that as you will.
torpid lily
What happened to maethrillian after the fall of the forerunners
wispy wasp
the universe is gigantic, it took the covenant thousands of years just to find the first halo ring
languid tundra
I heard that there were some surviving forerunners after the halo firings (excluding the didact) this true or nah?
gilded mason
Yes
woven plaza
they're in self imposed exile in [other galaxy or something idk]
craggy sierra
Idk
I think incinerating floor dust instead of having to futz with a dust pan's way easier
languid tundra
aah
bro imagine a game where you discover this lost colony of forerunners
rio 2 type stuff
terse lava
Well, we know Forerunners kept tabs in the galaxy, mostly humanity. Whether that means some eventually returned from their ancestors' exile is unclear
woven plaza
if they were keeping tabs, they sure did a bad job at it
craggy sierra
Any hypothetical colony would probably not even be fully aware of their own heritage at this point
woven plaza
"uhhh, Weird-hyphenated-fancyname, it looks like the reclaimers are getting massacred, what should we do?"
"Idk Dust-of-fallen-ancients it'll sort itself out"
terse lava
I would figure the remaining Forerunners would keep what heritage they still had at the end of the war alive, if only to teach a "don't follow in our footsteps"
craggy sierra
100,000 years is a long time, even for them
empty cloak
are halo and destiny in the same universe
gilded mason
No.
zealous herald
yo just got a halo funko now i have a add on i wonder when ill be able to use it
terse lava
Likely when Infinite is released
zealous herald
wonder when that will be
terse lava
Holidays
hexed tulip
cortana
humble yacht
There was no rebellion in the UNSC
Are you talking about the insurrection?
Ueg tried strong arming outer colonies
Outer colonies said no
Tensions rose
War was about to break out
Halsey made Spartans to kill insurrections before they began
Like taxes and crap
Ostral typing up a novel, lol
gilded mason
A particularly fun example of the UEG/Outer Colony relations is when a company basically enslaved the colonists on the planet with wages that only worked in the company, trapping them there. Ad when they revolted, only then did the UEG respond. To stamp it out.
gilded mason
Ostral typing up a novel, lol
lol
humble yacht
Or transcribing the halopedia entry
gilded mason
😎
humble yacht
Or he just has a halopedia tab open at all times
gilded mason
Nah
wintry igloo
The fact onyx is as big as a solar system is more unbelievable then Halo that can destroy all life.
I mean, you need tens of thousands of planets, even more to make the outer shell.
tacit charm
The fact onyx is as big as a solar system is more unbelievable then Halo that ca...
not be be a nerd here but onyx is not the size of the solar system its much smaller than that (2au in diameter)
while yes you may need a few thousand planets that aint an issue with a civilisation that can manufacture planets on a whim
south matrix
Who came up with the idea of Spanker as the name for the rocket launcher?
In real life basically
wintry igloo
@tacit charm why do they say on the books it's a solar system size then??
tacit charm
where?
dr halsey legit says it was twice the diameter of the distant between the earth and the sun or 149million km
or i.e 2au
i think you might be confused with the size comparison where it says sol but pretty sure that was referring to the suns other names not the entire sol system
heres the quote
"We start with this so-called sun." She pointed straight up and then gestured to the data
on her screen. "Spectra and energy output are consistent with a G2-type dwarf, one of
slightly smaller dimensions than Sol.
"Next, you will note the curvature of this world, concave, as seen through Linda's sniper
scope." She tabbed to a new screen and it sketched the star and a curve that arced to
complete a full circle.
"Extrapolating, I calculate a diameter of one hundred fifty million kilometers—two
astronomical units, or a radius equivalent to the distance of the Earth orbiting its sun.
wintry igloo
Listening to audio book"halo legacy of onyx" where they mention it's a "size as a solar system" perhaps they just mix up the size in different books
tacit charm
either it was an exaggeration with no actual understanding of the actual size of the sol system, typo or u heard wrong
because halsey does confirm above it was 2au
unique rune
I mean if the line says “the size of a solar system” it could just mean it’s big enough to encompass a small solar system, not necessarily ours.
tacit charm
i mean wen onyx transitioned back into real space it encompassed three planets inside it
minor sky
One of Cortana's lines, "There will be no more sadness. No more anger. No more envy," appears to reference Marathon's stages of Rampancy; Melancholia, Anger and Jealousy, respectively
Cortana should of said this in Halo 5 when she was taking over
fair hazel
It was used in halo 3
humble yacht
A Bungie game
fair hazel
Well it’s like people saying they wouldn’t use the reclaimer symbol from bungie
When they did
humble yacht
343 changed it
minor sky
Bungie still owns that
I mean they could probably get away with it, as it would still be vague enough, as she could be both reffering to the galaxy as a whole and/or her end to Rampancy, granted I am no lawyer or a legal expert in the slightest so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gaunt oakBOT
scarlet topaz
Why is it that chief can walk outside in space on Forward unto dawn, first Halo 4 mission
humble yacht
Because the MJOLNIR suit is air tight
tacit charm
rather odd question im just going to assume u have not played halo 4 yet or you r asking y can chief can just walk outside immediately with the sudden change of gravity
scarlet topaz
rather odd question im just going to assume u have not played halo 4 yet or you ...
I have played all games atleast 50 times, I mean when he goes in space he can just walk and jump mid space
How is it that he likes, sticks to the Forward unto dawn
tacit charm
magnetic clamps or theres still some artificial gravity outside the ship
scarlet topaz
magnetic clamps or theres still some artificial gravity outside the ship
I think magnetic clamps then, bcs Grunts and elite do fly away in space after being killed
humble yacht
MJOLNIR has mag boots
versed helm
According to my like on the video I do
last anchor
Who came up with the idea of Spanker as the name for the rocket launcher?
Someone at bungie presumably, since Im fairly certain its a Marathon reference, alongside many other things in CE.
Notably, its never called that in-game or in any of the supplementary material, in every Nylund book its refered to as "the Jackhammer".
No ones come up with what it could stand for
And the lower-case r has frustrated people for years
torpid lily
What was humanity’s first colony outside of the solar system
versed helm
The moon/Mars
torpid lily
The moon/Mars
Outside of the solar system
unique rune
Yeah, no, definitely not Arcadia.
Colonies are classified between Inner and Outer by the date they were established, with Inner Colonies having been colonized by the UEG as part of the initial wave of space colonization, while Outer Colonies came afterwards.
Arcadia is part of the Outer Colonies, so it would’ve been part of that later wave.
versed helm
Outer Colonies means out of the solar system right?
humble yacht
Outer colonies means colonies outside of UEG-controlled space
gilded mason
Outer colonies are still UEG-controlled, they're just much farther away.
unique rune
If I’m reading Halopedia’s info right, Reach was among the first extrasolar colonies, if not the first.
ashen rivet
that explains why is the most important military planet
gusty echo
why do i get vibes from any scene of master chief
gilded mason
Vibes?
gilded mason
Yeah, but what kind of vibes, I mean
unique rune
intense vibration
gilded mason
Wowza
versed helm
Like lighting struck my finger and I felt nothing
humble yacht
Probably because of nerve damage
frigid tiger
hey, how should i call the Recon Helmet from H3 since there are multiple of them over different games? Should i say something like Mark VI Recon or just H3's Recon?
versed helm
Recon
humble yacht
R3con
gaunt oakBOT
versed helm
Didn't need to tag me
obsidian thistle
hey, how should i call the Recon Helmet from H3 since there are multiple of them...
Mark VI Recon would work if you wanna be technical. But saying H3 Recon works also.
frigid tiger
ok thanks ^^
worldly crystal
I have a question.. if Spartan-B312 is a lone wolf, why was he assigned to noble team.. the UNSC didn't know the covenant were on reach
unique rune
Because Noble had a hole in their roster that needed filling after Thom-A293 was killed during the Battle of Fumirole
south matrix
The Commando look more like Kriss Vector at the back.
worldly crystal
Because Noble had a hole in their roster that needed filling after Thom-A293 was...
But there were other Spartans that could have filled the role, why a lone wolf
unique rune
because Bungie said so
frigid tiger
i agree with Emperor. There would've been plenty of other Spartans III's and II's to be in this role but Bungie decided to give you another Hyper-Lethal with a pretty blank personality and backstory to support the connection to the player
tacit charm
But there were other Spartans that could have filled the role, why a lone wolf
because he good
unique rune
The in-fiction reason probably would’ve just been that the rest of B312’s service record would’ve been enough to excuse their independent streak in a team setting.
Though I feel like Noble’s composition has more issues that stick out than B312 being a noted lone operator.
tacit charm
he may have been also one of few spartans at the time where he wasnt preoccupied with a mission is currently prepping for a mission, he is a lone wolf used by oni as basically their own personal assassin/pilot so he aint going to be that busy unless oni says so
worldly crystal
That makes sense
tacit charm
also cause he good
ancient citrus
he may have been also one of few spartans at the time where he wasnt preoccupied...
Jun?
versed helm
in halo reach whenever noble 6 destroyed the covenant ship why didnt any pelicans pick him up
ancient citrus
Coz other ships were tracking poa? And they have to make a quick escape... ig soo
6 did destroy the nearest one... But that wasn't the only covenant ship on reach at that time
In ce starting... Cortana quoted that covenant ships have been tracking autumn after it left the planet...
humble yacht
Thel’s fleet followed the autumn
Thel’s fleet was also the last to show up at reach
unique rune
in halo reach whenever noble 6 destroyed the covenant ship why didnt any pelican...
Because space is big.
Like.
Really, really big.
Finding any survivors of UPPER CUT in the immediate aftermath of the operation would’ve been real hard, what with the slipspace jump frying local comms on top of the big new incoming Covenant fleet.
woven plaza
ok does "Hyper-Lethal" actually mean anything I keep hearing it tossed around and it seems like just some fluff word
unique rune
It’s a silly thing Bungie came up with to play up B312’s capabilities in advertisements leading up to Halo: Reach’s release
The ad had Halsey mention that only one other Spartan had achieved the rating of “hyper lethal vector” but thankfully someone at 343 realized it was dumb and it’s been since used to describe all Spartans.
woven plaza
sniperlethal vector
brazen grail
All Spartans from II-IV are competent, but there's definitely quite a gap if you're comparing Spartans like in Fireteam Majestic to Blue Team. I wouldn't have minded the "hyper lethal vector" thing too much but that definitely probably applies to more than just Chief and Noble 6. The rest of Blue Team I'd imagine would be deserving of such a title
unique rune
I just think the whole “hyper lethal vector” rating is kinda dumb and juvenile in its entirety
honestly most of B312’s backstory reeks of this to me
minor sky
Reading Shadows of Reach, I really love the bit near the end of chapter 14 with Chapov, where John starts to realize his role as the inspiration for the next generations of soldiers, where he now knows that he is now the "wise old leader"
woven plaza
i mean, no offense to the in-lore version™, but B312 is literally Your Halo OC that's super duper cool and punches ayyliums and doesn't afraid of anything
the whole point of B312 was to be your self-insert Spartan
minor sky
I just think the whole “hyper lethal vector” rating is kinda dumb and juvenile i...
Aren't all spartans given the title of Hyper Lethal?
unique rune
Yeah, as of the Official Spartan Field Manual (IIRC) it’s been used in reference to all Spartans.
gilded mason
I just think the whole “hyper lethal vector” rating is kinda dumb and juvenile i...
Yeah...wish it was just removed entirely instead of granting it to all spartans
unique rune
But in general it just feels like a silly thing to say.
unique rune
i mean, no offense to the in-lore version™, but B312 is literally Your Halo OC t...
For what it’s worth, the parts of B312’s history that we know of really don’t feel that far off.
“lone wolf super dangerous private ONI hitman who was part of a secretive aircraft project”
It’s all a little… gratuitous.
obsidian thistle
Thel’s fleet was also the last to show up at reach
Actually we have no idea when it arrived. One of the "weirder" things of the fiction thanks to Halo Reach making stuff unclear
Could of arrived at any point from that Fleet in LNoS to right before the Autumn fled.
The wiki was still using the TFoR date cause we never considered we never knew till this year.
(Is fixed but still its a right headache)
stray violet
As part of a playthrough I'm doing of Halo: Reach on Legendary, I wanted to write a short piece on how the novel The Fall of Reach connects with where we’re at in the story. The comic adaptation of the novel actually divides the story into three parts, and I bring this up because the third part is about what the Master Chief is doing right before the first Halo begins, which crosses over somewhat with the game.
A friend of mine and I recently played The Package, where Noble team goes to Sword Base to recover Cortana (or a fragment of her, as established in Halsey’s journal). The date and time the game gives for this is August 29, 2552, at 26:16. I guess Reach has longer days than Earth. In the comic, John-117/Master Chief receives the MJOLNIR V armor seen in the first game as well as Cortana. He also undergoes a test with his new armor. The comic records Master Chief's exploits as having happened earlier in the day compared to Noble Team's mission.
Once we finish up the campaign, I’ll post more about what happens on August 30, 2552, which is a very eventful day in the Halo universe.
Remember Reach, Spartans.
chilly marsh
As part of a playthrough I'm doing of Halo: Reach on Legendary, I wanted to writ...
I believe ever day on Reach is 27 hours.
woven plaza
what are the sociopoliticaleconomic implications of Sedran Red Fruit on the lore
tacit charm
they are communists
woven plaza
the fruit?
tacit charm
yes?
woven plaza
you don't sound too sure
woven plaza
it's a highly integral part of Halo lore
"The fruit is served in slices on the Full Stack Ground Pounder with Cheese, a burger served by Have S'Moa, a restaurant and petting zoo on Gannick 22."
tacit charm
you can argue they are communists since its equal for everyone (even though communists never worked like that)
woven plaza
the fruit?
tacit charm
depends the demand for it if its scarce well ye everyone going to want that rip off tomato though considering its on a burger pretty sure nobody is going to being begging for a tomato
yes
woven plaza
well i mean if it serves a similar culinary purpose to tomatoes that makes it a substitute good to tomatoes
tacit charm
also this one of the oddest question i have encountered about halo
woven plaza
you weren't here for the laser broom one
tacit charm
?
woven plaza
anyways due to the near-extinction of Moa after the Fall of Reach, one has to wonder if Sedran Red Fruit are only substitute goods to tomatoes in the context of burgers or not
and specifically moa burgers
tepid barn
sniperlethal vector
linda*
last anchor
As part of a playthrough I'm doing of Halo: Reach on Legendary, I wanted to writ...
Reach's day are ~26 hours long, yes.
humble yacht
Imagine if they remeasured seconds on reach so that the days were still 24 hrs long
wispy wasp
Why did energy swords and fuel rod cannons only have a dead mans switch on alpha halo?
gilded mason
Bungie might've not had time to make them usable weapons at the time.
wispy wasp
Because i recall halo: the flood mentioning it, and i just thought it was kinda odd that it was seemingly the only encounter where that was used
Because it clearly wasn't used during the fall of reach at least according to halo reach
gilded mason
The writer there talked about it because it happened in the game
wispy wasp
That's also fair
humble yacht
Even the fall of reach came out before the game, the game was still written first
Nylund used the game’s story (among other things) as reference material
minor sky
Why did energy swords and fuel rod cannons only have a dead mans switch on alpha...
The Full Rod did become usable in the Gearbox Halo CE port in multiplayer
wispy wasp
i was moreso curious about if there was a lore reason to why it was seemingly only present in that conflict
wispy wasp
iirc moa existed on other planets
craggy sierra
They were exported to other planets from Reach
Also we technically had a species of bird on earth called moa
humble yacht
The have s’Moa restaurant and petting zoo kept a sizable population of moa
The eventual plan is to take them back to reach to repopulate
minor sky
The have s’Moa restaurant and petting zoo kept a sizable population of moa
So the Moa burger is still a thing that people can get in lore
gaunt oakBOT
versed helm
The eventual plan is to take them back to reach to repopulate
LETS GOOO
desert saffron
Hey guys I've always had a question- wouldn't mjolnir be basically bullet-proof irl? I ask because it only takes a burst from an assault rifle to kill a fully-armoured spartan in multiplayer. Or is it just for gameplay?
unique rune
Gameplay
Though the MA5 series rifles we usually see in game fire FMJ-AP ammunition, so it’s not entirely just gameplay handwaving.
void oar
Idk why but the AI feel like a mix between smart and dumb AI
gilded mason
Dumb AI can be very human-like
Like Wellsley. He was Dumb, but could be mistaken for Smart
humble yacht
One of the new AI descriptions is something like “more personable than any dumb AI has any right to be”
Humans getting better at faking emotion
pallid comet
Humans getting better at faking emotion
Humans are GODS at faking emotions
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
Not all
pallid comet
Most
gilded mason
Some unknown amount
humble yacht
It’s unclear how many
pallid comet
Roland didn't
humble yacht
Too many voices to count
pallid comet
Or is he dum
humble yacht
Roland is a smart AI
gilded mason
Roland is a Smart AI
humble yacht
I win 🙂
gilded mason
aaa
pallid comet
Ok
humble yacht
The time you took to press the shift key slowed you down
gilded mason
Truly
pallid comet
The time you took to press the shift key slowed you down
Yup. Ninja'd by 2 seconds
gaunt oakBOT
pallid comet
Ok, now shut up
humble yacht
Please disable pings when replying
pallid comet
Pardon?
humble yacht
When replying, please disable pings
gaunt oakBOT
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gilded mason
And now you know™️
pallid comet
RIP
humble yacht
And knowing is half the battle
pallid comet
The other half is doing
humble yacht
That’s not part of the reference
pallid comet
I don't really care. 🙂
terse lava
"G.I. Jooeee!" There, the reference is complete
pallid comet
Bro you were so late. XD
terse lava
Not by much, only a few minutes
pallid comet
And now you were AFK
gilded mason
What do you mean
ivory crow
Don’t they make “smart” AI from the brain tissue of dead people?
terse lava
Yeah, all smart AI, are created in a process that kills the brain. This why they are only made from decased people
terse lava
Now if you made a dumb AI of yourself, sure. You could keep it
humble yacht
Halsey only survived because she didn’t use her actual brain
She used a clone brain
cobalt saddle
That seems like a good idea
terse lava
Not really, she couldn't just clone the brain itself. She made clones of herself, of which only a handful survived, then harvested the brains
ivory crow
She used a clone brain
That’s it! Thank you.
I’m excited to see what happens with Cortana/The Weapon in Infinite but am bracing for sadness.
humble yacht
Not really, she couldn't just clone the brain itself. She made clones of herself...
Semantics. Clone brain, brain from a clone, it’s the same thing
terse lava
It was in response to him thinking its a good idea
terse lava
I admit, for the longest time I thought it was indeed just the brain itself, but apparently not
humble yacht
Wasn’t flash cloning originally used for replacing organs
Certainly they didn’t clone whole bodies every time they wanted to make someone a new kidney
limber dagger
Certainly they didn’t clone whole bodies every time they wanted to make someone ...
yes thats correct. it was for emergency organ transplants i believe
limber dagger
Not really, she couldn't just clone the brain itself. She made clones of herself...
Nah man she literally just cloned her brain. She also flash cloned a liver for kelly in First Strike I believe.
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
Nah man she literally just cloned her brain. She also flash cloned a liver for k...
Incorrect. She cloned herself entirely and augmented the clones so their brain growth would be accelerated
The bodies, as a result, were severely deformed
limber dagger
Where does it say that? It only ever refers to brains as flash cloned brains.
humble yacht
Fall of reach
gilded mason
Halsey's journal, too
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
The brain is a more complex organ than other things
limber dagger
Hmmm, didn't know that. I wonder she needed to clone her entire body for that specific organ.
gilded mason
What Dee said
limber dagger
Yeah of course. I just assumed that if they are able to clone livers, kidneys, lungs etc that it was possible to flash clone a brain as well. All good, I stand corrected.
I just didn't remember any mention of the actual bodies in FoR
terse lava
Eh the brain is crazy complex and is not fully understood
humble yacht
So true
gilded mason
bestie
ripe steeple
Now if you made a dumb AI of yourself, sure. You could keep it
That would be enough for me
I just need a friend
humble yacht
There’s a reason the brain is among the first organs to develop. Takes a long time to get right
limber dagger
Yep, it also uses more total caloric energy than anything else in the body IIRC.
ivory crow
Brains do be complex
terse lava
Indeed, look at thr San'Shyuum Grey matter
ivory crow
To continue the talk from #general-chat (although I’m sure it has been discussed many times), since the flood came from the precursors doesn’t that mean lore-wise the flood can’t really ever truly be gone? Because didn’t they turn themselves into dust to come back later?
Or am I misunderstanding the source of the flood?
limber dagger
To continue the talk from <#471722331820130326> (although I’m sure it has been d...
No you aren't, but it is a simplistic answer. The only reason the Flood still exists today is due to the fact that the Forerunners preserved specimens for study. The only way to eliminate them is to destroy every single individual. So yes they "can" be destroyed, it just isn't really possible to do it without activating the Array again.
ivory crow
Got it, that makes sense. Thank you.
limber dagger
Got it, that makes sense. Thank you.
Keep in mind that this is also a very simplistic way of putting it (what i said to you). There is still speculation on exactly what the flood is and how its related to the precursors. We know it came from degraded Precursor powder, but it also may have been intentionally designed. All the questions aren't answered yet in the lore.
vernal eagle
i can be a good spartan v
pulsar pivot
Ok
subtle basin
How was the flood created
craggy sierra
Ancient aliens turned themselves into stardust and then people fed it to their dogs
ivory crow
The real question is: did the dogs enjoy it? You know, before they turned into horrible monsters.
humble yacht
At first the dust made the pheru more domesticated
subtle basin
Ancient aliens turned themselves into stardust and then people fed it to their d...
Understandable have a great day
sinful tartan
If a Fireteam consists of 4 people roughly, and you are Lone Wolf while you are alone
what would you call two people that work together? Fireteam as well? Or is there a group name for just two people that is Halo Lore Friendly?
worldly crystal
Sometimes lone wolves work in pairs
ashen rivet
i don’t think i would like myself replicated as an AI
pulsar pivot
If a Fireteam consists of 4 people roughly, and you are Lone Wolf while you are ...
That's a Duo
Ah crap Ping
Sorry
minor sky
So, it was Mendicant Bias who was responsible for the Spirt of Fire being moved to the Ark?
limpid meadow
We don't know at this time.
Mendicant could be the culprit, maybe it was Offensive Bias, maybe it was Rion Forge (my favorite theory!)
minor sky
So its all speculative
humble yacht
I hope it wasn’t MB or OB
minor sky
Also speaking of Halo Wars, if we ever do get a 3rd game, I want to have a Flood Campagin or something, like having you be a gravemind and slowly infesting the ark, it could be really interesting and lead to a new take on the gameplay
Then again, maybe the Flood shouldn't show up and we should just continue the fight between the Banished and the Spirt of Fire without something else getting in the way
brazen grail
No Halo Wars 3 at the moment unfortunately. But I'm interested if Divine Wind gives us at least any sort of update or info on the SoF
main rivet
We were supposed to get a Flood campaign at one point.
They weren't included as a playable faction in the first partially because of time and partially because they didn't just want to turn the Flood into the Zerg, which is a reasonable consideration.
And yeah hopefully especially with HW3 not likely, I'd love for Divine Wind to feature them. I get that the Ark is big and Ferret Team is small but it'd be kind of ridiculous narratively-speaking if they aren't at least included in some respect.
brazen grail
In some capacity, yeah. It'd just be strange for the ferrets to not connect or contact the SoF at some point at all whether it be after Castor is dealt with or before
What are they gonna do, just hold up on the Ark by themselves forever when there's other UNSC forces on the Ark and above?
gusty echo
I don't know why I always feels so many vibes anytimes I watch this also I never get bored
Tell me why Spartans
finite laurel
343 elites are ugly af
cobalt saddle
How can a MAC gun (like in halo 2) have a limited range in space? Its space! Theres no friction.
Im confused
cobalt saddle
I know but if you watch the cutscene the mac range is limited
humble yacht
According to who
terse lava
If you mean the display during the arrival of Regret's fleet, that barrier is the effective range of the defense grid. If you're in it, you likely won't be able to move out of the way before the MAC hits. So its not that the range itself is limited, only the effe time distance
limpid meadow
The range limit of a MAC is it's effective range. The further away a target is, the easier it can maneuver out of the way of a projectile.
So while there's technically now maximum absolute range, there is a max effective range.
limpid meadow
Probably. I know Mass Effect had a couple planets with left-over impacts from ancient mass drivers. It'd be cool to see something like that in Halo.
versed helm
I don't know if this is the right place to ask but... YOLO.
A squad of Covenant members (before halo 4) is lead by a Major or Ultra?
limpid meadow
It depends on a lot of factors.
terse lava
As in, the original Covenant? Depends on the species and size of the group
limpid meadow
A squad can be lead by Elites, Brute, Drones, Jackals, Skirmishers, or Grunts, depending on the make up and size.
versed helm
It depends on a lot of factors.
If I wanted to write a fanfiction about a Sangheili that leads an assault squad on a planet before the events of Halo Reach itself (I wanna create my own prequel) which class do I choose? Ultra or Major?
humble yacht
Either
limpid meadow
Basically: the leader needs to be a higher rank and higher on the Covenant caste.
I'd probably recommend a Major in that case.
humble yacht
Depends on what the rest of the squad includes
versed helm
Depends on what the rest of the squad includes
Grunts, of course, other Sangheilis too. Let's just say a squad as that of the Arbiter when he hunted the Heretics
terse lava
An assualt squad would likely consist of spec ops, so a spec ops officer would be your best bet
brazen grail
Some squads like Files or Lances can be commanded by Brute or Elite minors though if I'm correct
gaunt oakBOT
limpid meadow
Correct
Squads can even be led by Grunts (if the rest of the squad are also Grunts)
terse lava
Yesh but he mentioned this would be an "assault squad"
So sounds more spec ops/ Silent Shadow
versed helm
An assualt squad would likely consist of spec ops, so a spec ops officer would ...
Let's pretend that this is an assault squad among many others. Not some sort of CIA operation. Like normal human infantry divided in each squad that take a part of field under their rule and then advance
limpid meadow
"Assault" could be anything, really.
brazen grail
That's true
versed helm
What I described though?
terse lava
Well he did clarify now
limpid meadow
You could go with a Minor or Major, honestly
I suppose it main depends on what you want the Elite to do (other than command his squad)
versed helm
That I know but there is this guy that leads the squad and I dont want fanboys coming to me saying "NO, ANOTHER CLASS LEADS THE SQUAD!!!!!!!"
terse lava
Yeah, either rank works, though if its some rather important mission, a major would likely be better
limpid meadow
Like, if he's going to be interacting with other Squads and you want him in more than a Sergeant-style role, then I'd go with a Major
humble yacht
Don’t worry too much about what other people will think
It’s a fanfic. It doesn’t have to be super accurate
terse lava
Yep
limpid meadow
And the rules of Covenant squads really aren't that well defined.
Like I said before, so long as the leader is a higher rank and equal to or higher on the Covenant caste compared to the rest of the squad, you're basically good.
versed helm
It’s a fanfic. It doesn’t have to be super accurate
Considering I will touch subjects such as throwing off the lore by delaying the technology advancements and time periods along side time travel and transformations, I do want the first chapters to be decent before a shaistorm comes.
But a Major should do in the end
humble yacht
Please disable pings when replying
versed helm
Sorry
terse lava
Time travel?
versed helm
Well, a Major will do. Thanks for the help.
versed helm
Time travel?
Yeah, it's complicated
terse lava
Huh, ok
versed helm
Thanks for the help
humble yacht
Time travel?
It’s a fanfic, don’t worry about it 
terse lava
Eh fair, halo already had that happen once anyway. Sort of twice i guess
limpid meadow
And honestly, I think both instances were handled pretty well.
versed helm
Eh fair, halo already had that happen once anyway. Sort of twice i guess
You wanna the whole plot? Heh, it'll help you understand my project
humble yacht
Probably best left to DMs if interested
limpid meadow
I like to chalk up the instances in First Strike to the nature of space-time and relativity
terse lava
Never said it was bad per say
limpid meadow
As for I Love Bees, an AI is basically information, so it going back and forth through time doesn't really seem that crazy to me.
versed helm
I like to chalk up the instances in *First Strike* to the nature of space-time a...
A comic? Never read them.
terse lava
No, book
limpid meadow
First Strike is a book
terse lava
Come to think of it, would the end of Silentium count? With Alpha halo reporting echos of the array firing?
Before they even fired
limpid meadow
I wouldn't say so, no
humble yacht
As for I Love Bees, an AI is basically information, so it going back and forth t...
I dunno, the idea of data functioning differently from matter in terms of space time does seem pretty far fetched
limpid meadow
That's more to do with the nature of time on a quantum level, I imagine.
humble yacht
Come to think of it, would the end of Silentium count? With Alpha halo reporting...
I’d attribute that to something more along the lines of a tachyon burst
terse lava
Suppose that would be more accurate
limpid meadow
I dunno, the idea of data functioning differently from matter in terms of space ...
It is far fetched, but I personally just build on the idea that quantum particles can travel through time and extrapolate from there.
versed helm
It is far fetched, but I personally just build on the idea that quantum particle...
Technically it's possible to time travel, I just can't see how the particles of our body would survive the exposition of eventual energy or whatever it's required to time travel
Assemble and reassemble maybe?
humble yacht
Depends on which version of time travel you use
limpid meadow
The instance I'm referencing there is of an AI traveling through time.
terse lava
Wait, wasn't it two AI
limpid meadow
I think it was something like 2 or 3 fragments, plus a Covenant AI
It's the same principle though.
obsidian thistle
I Love Bees is the only case where time travel cant be explained out.
Big note: We dont know if the Artifact that caused it was Forerunner. If 343i wanted the Deep Space Artifact could be a mystery alien artifact.
limpid meadow
They could, but I doubt they would. The intent is clearly that it's a Forerunner relic. But hey, who knows?
terse lava
Come to think of it, wasn't that relic activating what(at the time) brought Earth's location known to Truth thanks to Seeker?
cobalt saddle
Hey what came before the Precursors?
dusty pilot
Transformers.
cobalt saddle
…
unique rune
preprecursors
cobalt saddle
If humans have inferior weapons than Forerunners, does that mean Precursors had better weapons than Forerunners?
Probably not. There was no Flood
humble yacht
Precursors had Star roads
And constructs made out of thought
They died and revived for fun. They didn’t need weapons
limpid meadow
Come to think of it, wasn't that relic activating what(at the time) brought Eart...
Unconfirmed, but that's my current headcanon. Maybe another mystery for the Encyclopedia to solve.
terse lava
Perhaps, makes sense too
As for the Precursors, while we have never seen an actual weapon, we know they crafted prisions of crystallized space time to contain threats they couldn't(or wouldnt) defeat
weak shale
dusty pilot
And his weapon is the pencil pickaxe from that one guy in fortnite.
soft mango
hey bookworms, which halo novels cover shipmaster? @ me when someone has the answer for me. Thanks a lot guys! :D
gilded mason
hey bookworms, which halo novels cover shipmaster? @ me when someone has the ans...
If you're talking about Rtas, he has the comic The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor and the book Shadow of Intent
obsidian thistle
But just get Halo Fractures
@soft mango
That had Shadow of Intent in it plus more
gilded mason
Yeh
obsidian thistle
More stories is always better
wintry rock
is red vs blue cannon?
obsidian thistle
wait is there a paperback version or a hardcover?
There is only paperpack and digital.
Hardback isnt so common with Halo
frosty walrus
So why did some elites stay with 'the covenant' in Halo 4?
Is it an entirely different faction or something? I thought elites got booted out by Truth in H2 and the covenant destroyed in H3
atomic marsh
Is it an entirely different faction or something? I thought elites got booted ou...
It's sort of a new covenant, no ties to the one in previous games
unique rune
Is it an entirely different faction or something? I thought elites got booted ou...
It’s a separate Covenant remnant faction. Just because Truth didn’t want them in the old Covenant empire didn’t mean all Sangheili were cool with being friendly with humanity.
craggy sierra
So why did some elites stay with 'the covenant' in Halo 4?
The elites have a population of about 80 billion spread out across the galaxy, all rooted in a 3000 year old ancient and devout religious sect.
I think it'd be more upsetting to the story writing if all of them did just immediately accept the fact their religion and beliefs were false.
Also lets be real, Halo needs its enemy roster
unique rune
not really relevant to the lore channel
modest compass
The elites have a population of about 80 billion spread out across the galaxy, a...
My problem with what happened with the Elites after the end of Halo 3 isn't that they're having trouble accepting that their religion and beliefs were false, it's that they seem to be completely incompetent at running a society with the Covenant gone and no longer have any ships, don't know how to farm, like, at all apparently, and are just generally unable to do a lot of basic things that they should be able to do. Civil war? That's cool. I'm fine with that. Not being able to scrounge up two or three ships when they use to have millions? That's weird.
ivory crow
So why did some elites stay with 'the covenant' in Halo 4?
I think for the same reason some people are religious and others are not. I’m sure some of the elites still wanted to believe in the religion even after everything happened.
gilded mason
My problem with what happened with the Elites after the end of Halo 3 isn't that...
That was mostly retconned later on. Later lore talks about them already having farmers beforehand, having scientists, etc.
gilded mason
The elites have a population of about 80 billion spread out across the galaxy, a...
The elites have a population of about 80 billion spread out across the galaxy
Huh, remember where you saw that? That seems incredibly low.
modest compass
That was mostly retconned later on. Later lore talks about them already having f...
Thank the Forerunners for that. There are definitely aspects of Kilo Five that I really liked - the Insurrectionist stuff I really enjoyed - but its treatment of any aliens that aren't Jul or his wife was very disappointing, and its depiction of the Elites and Brutes especially was not something I liked
gilded mason
Agreed.
supple stag
Can I have some background on the SPARTAN-IV's? I know that the II'S were kidnapped by Halsey(ONI too, I think-?) and that stuff and I know that the III's were created as expendable soliders but I have no clue as to what the purpose of the IV's was.
gilded mason
Basically ethical spartans
The augmentation tech had advanced enough that not-quite-as-strong variants could be used on adults
mellow flame
They serve the same purpose as the previous generations.
humble yacht
IVs are adult volunteers
ivory crow
Legitimate question: are the Spartan IV’s as good as the Spartan II’s or even III’s?
gilded mason
They can be
humble yacht
The program was created by Musa and Jun because Musa saw the necessity for more Spartans
mellow flame
Legitimate question: are the Spartan IV’s as good as the Spartan II’s or even II...
Spartans IIs currently consist of "the best" Spartans, but they have a significant amount of more experience than any other soldier in human existence. Chief however, is far from the strongest, fastest, or smartest spartan. He is however, the luckiest Spartan.
supple stag
The program was created by Musa and Jun because Musa saw the necessity for more ...
Wait, Jun-A266 had something to do with the IV's?
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
Yes
mellow flame
Spartan IIIs and IVs definitely have the potential to be better, but in general they're not, because they don't have hundreds of operations under their belts like S2s do.
wispy wasp
i mean weren't the s3s basically used as cannon fodder?
supple stag
Yeah-
humble yacht
Spartan 3s were sent on missions that were considered suicide missions
That’s not to say they weren’t strong or badly trained. They were better trained than the IIs
They just had worse armor
supple stag
And they were smaller compared to the II's if I'm not mistaken-
mellow flame
I'm pretty sure that plot point was supposed to showcase commanders treating S3's like they would S2's (not understanding the significant difference between the two, resulting in many losses that wouldnt otherwise happen if they were an S2).
humble yacht
Being somewhat shorter is meaningless
supple stag
Well yeah- nvm
mellow flame
Spartan IV (Fully armored) stand roughly their natural height plus 4 inches and have a reinforced endoskeleton.
mellow flame
He's 6'9 with the armor, 6'5 without.
humble yacht
Where are you getting your info
mellow flame
Halo 5: Guardians Limited Edition - Bonus Item: Edward Buck Dossier Card
Also, common sense.
humble yacht
Link a screenshot
mellow flame
If 6'9 was without armor, then with armor would make him 7'1.
1 inch shorter than Chief, a Spartan II.
The heights that 343 gives are almost always "in-armor". Augmentation for S4s only grant about another 2-3 inches, and then the armor itself adds another 4 inches.
Buck himself in New Blood even describes S2s as gods, and S3s as the children of titans. S4s can easily pass as regular people.
humble yacht
You could solve this by just posting a link to a photo of the card
humble yacht
Lol
mellow flame
humble yacht
True. But he’s didn’t quote that line quite right
mellow flame
children of titans are gods though
theyre demigods
tacit charm
no in greek they're gods
humble yacht
Buck called IVs demigods, IIIs gods, and IIs Titans
mellow flame
"When I say walking gods, I mean the Spartan-IIs. Like the old Greek Titans in the way that they live among us but are literally head and shoulders better in every way. And they’re just about as hard to kill. The fact we lost so many of them during the Covenant War tells you something about how horrific that conflict was. The soldiers in the SPARTAN-III program were more like your standard gods of myth and legend, the Titans' kids. Hermes and Apollo and Aphrodite and such. If the Spartan-IIs are more powerful than you can imagine, Spartan-IIIs are probably just inside your limits. The Spartan-IVs—my new designation—are like demigods then, the offspring of the real gods. Think Hercules. We can pass for regular people most of the time—something folks would generally have a hard time mistaking the earlier generations for—but inside, we're far more than that." - Spartan Buck, New Blood, page 113.
humble yacht
As I said
tacit charm
its says they're demi gods
humble yacht
Yep
tacit charm
The Spartan-IVs—my new designation—are like demigods then, the offspring of the real gods.
humble yacht
But also buck’s assessment wasn’t based in science
It was based on his own outlook, which is naturally influenced by his history with Spartans as a normal human
mellow flame
You do understand S4s are shorter than S3s and S2s right?
tacit charm
and?
mellow flame
That means Buck, Palmer, and the lot of them don't stand over 7 foot in armor.
mellow flame
Name one
tacit charm
idk his name in spartan ops the lead of fireteam majestic
the bald one
the one who escorts halsey
humble yacht
The problem with your assessment, hex, is that the weight is obviously out of armor weight
tacit charm
demarco?
mellow flame
Locke...?
tacit charm
no
mellow flame
Locke is the lead of Osiris
humble yacht
It’s unlikely height would be in armor height and weight out of armor weight
tacit charm
oh wait i said osiris woops
gilded mason
DeMarco was the lead of Majestic, yes
humble yacht
Thorne escorts Halsey in SpOps
tacit charm
hah
humble yacht
Iirc
tacit charm
ye that guy was pretty damn tall
you can actually see his height differnce wen he stands next to palmer when returning to the infinity
mellow flame
It’s unlikely height would be in armor height and weight out of armor weight
That's blatantly the case, because then S4s would be the same height as S2s and S3s (based on those dossieres), contradicting alot of lore.
gaunt oakBOT
tacit charm
if was by a few inch but hey tall nonetheless
they would be
like demarco
also not all spartans are 7 + ft tall
humble yacht
Well tell you what, if you can get grim to confirm your theory then I’ll believe you
tacit charm
idk the spartan 3s name but she was like 5'4 ft tall
ok maybe not that short but it was 5 something
gilded mason
Here's what Buck says about his post augmentation height in New Blood:
By the end of it all, I was several centimeters taller than I’d been when I enlisted with the UNSC.
So not that much taller, it seems
humble yacht
Several is a very broad term
tacit charm
also theres kurt the biggest outlier ive ever seen for spartan height that dude 8.2ft tall and was only in spi amour
gilded mason
Is it? When I hear "several", I think of, like, 3-5 cm more
humble yacht
3-5 sounds more like “few” to me
But again, why would the dossier list weight out of armor but height in armor?
That’s not helpful
gilded mason
Oddly, Waypoint does the same
humble yacht
And also it’s inconsistent
humble yacht
The dossier and the waypoint entry probably use the same source
gilded mason
And we know the armor adds 4 inches of height in John's case.
humble yacht
Sure
Ultimately it’s a minor thing, if we can get hard confirmation either way then fine
mellow flame
idk the spartan 3s name but she was like 5'4 ft tall
Your thinking of Lucy-B091, whom was 5'3 at the age of 12.
tacit charm
Btw what happens if we dread on you dont dread on me
humble yacht
Whether IVs are 3 inches taller or 7 inches taller than before their augments, they still gain height, which was my original point
humble yacht
Btw what happens if we dread on you dont dread on me
A snake bites you
tacit charm
i mean they do pretty sure a comic even shows it
tacit charm
A snake bites you
was that a threat
mellow flame
My original point was S4s are shorter, and quotes some random article stating s4s are roughly their natural height in comparison to the other gens.
gaunt oakBOT
mellow flame
Im actually surprised a female spartan candidate was even 5'3 at the age of 12.
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
Hell no
mellow flame
Alright, pretty sure they're placeholder names anyways.
stable flower
Im actually surprised a female spartan candidate was even 5'3 at the age of 12.
Must've had tall parents
main rivet
Women develop faster. If she hit puberty early that height isn't really a surprise.
rancid forge
Exactly
mellow flame
Must've had tall parents
I'm surprised because that's very short for a 2552 female spartan candidate.
humble yacht
Not that surprising for a 12 yo. It’s not like spartan candidates were freakishly tall before augmentation
atomic marsh
True
limpid meadow
Nice!
It was no Evolutions, but it was good in its own right! We need more Halo anthologies, in general. They're great!
versed helm
I fairly enjoyed them
last anchor
More lore is always welcome
terse lava
Indeed, though I wish it wasn't so human focused. Still waiting on a story that may delve more into the Covenant's faith
minor dock
.
white lodge
But again, why would the dossier list weight out of armor but height in armor?
Maybe because armor ways so much??
gaunt oakBOT
pulsar pivot
Indeed, though I wish it wasn't so human focused. Still waiting on a story that ...
Hopefully infinite will give us a Covenant or Banished Dlc
last anchor
Awakening the Nightmare was FIRE
valid hemlock
Ayo, i got a question from halo 3, in the tsavo highway mission what are all the metal scraps supposed to come from??
gilded mason
The space elevator
valid hemlock
Oh, i see, thanks
stable flower
Of plot holes
I wish they had one from the UNSC's perspective (like a GTA TLAD/TBOGT type setup)
woven plaza
Awakening the Nightmare was FIRE
i really need to finish awakening the nightmare
versed helm
Do Lekgolo worms believe in the Great Journey?
tacit charm
play halo 3
craggy sierra
I don't think Halo 3 answers that question
humble yacht
Individual worms don’t really have the capacity to think, let alone believe in something
ornate hinge
I wish they had one from the UNSC's perspective (like a GTA TLAD/TBOGT type setu...
ODST kinda made it
tacit charm
some hunters believed in the great journey or at least an idea of an afterlife which may explain y some joined truth
atomic frost
mongolito
humble yacht
some hunters believed in the great journey or at least an idea of an afterlife w...
The hunters joined the covenant because the covies threatened to nuke their world if they didn’t stop eating forerunner stuff
tacit charm
ye ik i meant some hunters held religious beliefs of the after life which may have influence their decisions on which side to join
harsh bear
Is atriox still on the ark or did someting change btw
gilded mason
He's back in the galaxy
brazen grail
He's no longer on the Ark
Escharum picked him up on Reach after Atriox opened a portal from the Ark to Reach.
dreamy crag
Wait I don’t keep up on the lore but could that mean he might show up in infinite
brazen grail
Eventually, yes. But don't expect much of him in the main campaign. He'll be mentioned though. They want to focus on Escharum and the other members of the Hand of Atriox as a way to expand upon the Banished and build up towards Atriox.
dreamy crag
I would expect that when you hear this badazz killing machine is on your territory Atriox would meet him face to face
brazen grail
Eventually for sure. But my interpretation is that they don't want to waste their strongest card right away. Fighting him at the end of the main campaign and killing him would be a waste in my opinion, especially when this game is going to continually be supported, probably campaign DLC included.
So that's probably why they introduced the Hand of Atriox, which will be to expand upon the Banished and learn more about them leading up to the big faceoff
But that faceoff will probably be in a big DLC arc down the line. For right now it's all Escharum
dreamy crag
I want a grunt in power
brazen grail
Would be funny if a grunt was a high value target boss
like he's feared by the UNSC and is a ruthless killer
terse lava
Your thinking of Yayap from the Flood novel
dreamy crag
Your thinking of Yayap from the Flood novel
Yea
versed helm
Grunt in power
That's how we be
terse lava
Only if there is enough methane
void oar
What was that slip space crystal that tarturus found? It was mentioned in shadows of reach
fair hazel
It’s from first strike
versed helm
Tartarus is dead tho
viscid salmon
Creeping through SOR bit by bit
Story is still superlative
Good writing, good characterization of BT, lechatelierite.
brazen grail
Good book overall. I always find the enemy chapters to be far more entertaining. Just something about it
viscid salmon
Yeah seeing things from the Brute factions is interesting
brazen grail
Always up for learning more about the Banished
viscid salmon
But the swordsman snitching to Papa Atriox is always funny.
Because it works.
Man they're terrified. I love it.
viscid salmon
Well Atriox vis a vis escherum that is to say
Actually the Elite is my favorite since he seems to go against the type
He's sneaky and intelligent
Willing to use words to fight
Unusual.
brazen grail
Inslaan Gadogai?
brazen grail
I find it interesting how skilled he truly is. He talked about how he could kill Castor and then the sniper aiming at him before he even knew what happened
viscid salmon
Quizzing the Brutes on their logic
brazen grail
And how he could've taken out half the troops on that lich even without his sword before he died. And he's unarmored
viscid salmon
Last scene with then I read was on the glass dome.
brazen grail
Oh my bad. Forgot you said you were creeping through it
viscid salmon
That's OK I read partway through, realized something was off, and ignored the rest.
But yeah, their flow is nice.
This is the first I'm reading into the Keepers though so it may take a bit more time to understand their logic.
I dont want to run to the wiki
I sort of have them pegged down right now.
brazen grail
Well they've had two books before this
viscid salmon
I know. But everyone said SOR was the one to read before Infinite.
brazen grail
Yeah
viscid salmon
So, well, sacrifices must be made.
brazen grail
Right. I'm personally excited for Divine Wind which will be a continuation of the Keepers and their journey
Some interesting possibilities
viscid salmon
I have a lot to catch up on literature wise
brazen grail
But there's some interesting things in SOR that I believe may tie into Infinite. For one, I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that the Ravaged Tusks or Legion of the Corpse Moon could be in Infinite in some capacity
viscid salmon
I was wondering that myself just now
brazen grail
They even got descriptive with how both Chieftains looked
viscid salmon
May not necessarily be strictly just Banished for all we know.
I do like how the militias were messing with them though.
brazen grail
It'd be interesting if some of the Keeper forces were in Infinite. But there's some developments that you may want finish reading
viscid salmon
As I will.
I'm definitely more than halfway though the book.
The landing of the army seems to be borked as of my reading.
That's where I am rn
brazen grail
I think you'll enjoy it
versed helm
Good writing, good characterization of BT, lechatelierite.
yep im half way through it
versed helm
I do like how the militias were messing with them though.
yeah
obsidian thistle
Halo Wars 2 DLC notes
•If its got a Phoenix log its likely canon. Read those!
•Units are canon.
••Units may not work in the same way in-universe. (Gameplay =/= canon)
••Units may not be present on the Ark. But do exist or at least on paper exist. (See Phoenix Logs)
•Leaders are canon. But the ones who are dead are still dead. (ie Forge, Serina, and Ripa are not back from the dead)
••Even if a leader is "dead" their units are still canon.
Oh and Spearbreaker is canon.
So yea Goliaths are canon! :)
@woven plaza
boreal bane
gaunt oakBOT
versed helm
giant wow
lament hornet
Kurt Ambrose was 8'2" in his SPI armor. Absolute giant.
versed helm
wow.. who is Kurt?
lament hornet
Kurt-051 was a Spartan II from Green Team, who helped spearhead the Spartan-III program - You'll know about him if you read Ghosts of Onyx. otherwise:https://www.halopedia.org/Kurt_Ambrose is a good overview
humble yacht
When it came to height, Kurt really blew away the competition
timid oar
is there much of a UNSC Naval force in the lore? Been wondering since presumably only large spaceships can go from atmosphere to orbit without boosters, so you would think a lot of the planetary defences would be naval based
maritime force i should say
inland jackal
We need more sangheili mythology lore
woven plaza
So yea Goliaths are canon! :)
yet another thing i hope to see in infinite then
brazen grail
Seeing a Colony-type Hunter leader in Infinite would be awesome
inland jackal
That would be nice
harsh bear
Is YapYap from Halo Wars 2 canon, if so that would be something fun to maybe encounter in halo infinite
gilded mason
The character himself is canon, I think. As for the events associated with him, they're most likely just him daydreaming or something.
terse lava
Thinking that too, he exists, but his rebelling faction is his imagination
brazen grail
I don't think YapYap regardless would be in Halo Infinite though. No way for him to get to Zeta
I did like some of the units though. The Banished grunt goblins were nice and would make for cool boss fights
terse lava
Maybe I guess, have them hop into battle to support Sangheili or Jiralhanae
brazen grail
And let's see some Brute mechs like the one Decimus had
inland jackal
Wonder if blamite has other natural colors than pink
unique rune
body armor
woven plaza
And let's see some Brute mechs like the one Decimus had
call it a hunch but i feel like that was a one-off
brazen grail
call it a hunch but i feel like that was a one-off
Maybe. But we know the Banished loves to use weapons and vehicles of all kinds of old and new creations.
woven plaza
idk how do i put it
brazen grail
And this canonically has no merit, but we have seen 2 separate instances of other exosuits and mechs for the Banished in some Megaconstrux sets. At the very least, it means the idea is there
woven plaza
like decimus was the second in command or w/e
brazen grail
I get that. And that was definitely a big mech. If there were other mechs in the Banished, they wouldn't be quite as robust as his was
woven plaza
I get that. And that was definitely a big mech. If there were other mechs in the...
yeah i'm thinking more like different configurations of reavers
viscid salmon
is there much of a UNSC Naval force in the lore? Been wondering since presumably...
We know that there is at least some presence. The aircraft carrier on the Mombasa Queys being direct evidence.
And according to some radio snippets, maritime naval elements exist on Reach as well.
Reach's article on Halopedia gives 1209 (T)
I'm naturally assuming that's maritime.
Spaceships are expensive yo.
woven plaza
it's kinda like the warhammer 40K situation where yes, there are navies on the planets at times
viscid salmon
Why wouldn't there be? Spaceships need life support, some form of artificial gravity, and slipspace cores.
A boat is just a floaty can.
I think people very commonly write off terrestrial naval combat in science fiction.
We need a Halo version of the USS Texas flooding ballasts so that they can shoot further.
stable flower
Don't they have agricultural ships to supply food?
viscid salmon
Well yeah, private freighters exist in plenty of numbers. Mostly automated.
torpid lily
What are some books I should start with?
versed helm
Fall of Reach or the Forerunner Trilogy
viscid salmon
The OG trilogy is nice. My hot take is I liked The Flood
Then it's First Strike after that. A direct continuation of The Flood
void oar
Who was rookie replacing in alpha-9?
Like I believe he was a replacement for one of the members who died
also what was the point of alpha nine boarding the solmen penance? I doubt their pods would've penetrated the ship
lament hornet
Who was rookie replacing in alpha-9?
Rookie was a replacement for Baruti "Gramps" Komen, who perished during the Fall of Reach.
versed helm
https://youtu.be/Fb-ppUn3fkw I think this explains how Linda was in that bio chamber than the master chief in halo reach
Don't know
tacit charm
i mean it was an easter egg but you can make the argument it was linda
obsidian thistle
Linda was not in the cryo pod in Halo Reach
And canonically John cant be in it either.
Its purely a symbolic easter egg
versed helm
@obsidian thistle pal I just showed a video of how
This is literally in a comic
The guy explains everything
@tacit charm also if you remember in the halo anniversary there is a screen with Linda's number on it as a Easter egg
I mean we all can have a debatable argument but the comic shows and it's Canon
The guy literally explains
tacit charm
I mean we all can have a debatable argument but the comic shows and it's Canon
ye me and pretty sure CIA knows about the event in the FoR comics but that cryo pod in halo reach was just an easter egg
carmine sleet
The video shared is by someone who is notorious for getting facts wrong about the games and lore. Plus, given that CIA helps run Halopedia, I'm inclined to trust them when it comes to facts about Halo
lament hornet
<@228305216611549196> pal I just showed a video of how
- It's an Easter Egg.
- Marcus Lehto in a Dec 2010 issue of Game Informer, confirmed it was Master Chief in that non-canonical pod, not Linda. Purely there as a means to "have us feel his presence on Reach."
- Linda was infact, canonically, on the Pillar of Autumn. The easter egg in CEA was nodding to that fact.
Not canon, just like Halo CE's legendary ending. CIA has edited and worked on over 13,000 articles on Halopedia. I'd put his knowledge on the lore, over Halo Follower, who is notorious for spreading false info. Lol
And if you don't know who Marcus is; He Co-created the Halo universe and is ex-Creative Art Director at Bungie.
teal spoke
anyone know how to get the Master Chief Petty Officer in the halo universe?
or is it the same as irl?
versed helm
I wonder what Earth could've looked like at the height of ancient humanity's interstellar civilization
Before their defeat at the hands of the Forerunners
west rune
I wonder what Earth could've looked like at the height of ancient humanity's int...
Imagine covenant tech but not purple thats how I imagine it
versed helm
@lament hornet well at least I tried lol
solid lion
Jun is if I remember
versed helm
Noble 6 was a assassin
tacit charm
is jun a headhunter
yes
torpid lily
how would you guys feel if rookies death were retconed
terse lava
It..hasnt been retconned
gilded mason
They're asking how we'd feel if it was
torpid lily
It..hasnt been retconned
im asking as a hypothetical
graceful umbra
What is this channel for?
terse lava
Ah, in that case, suppose rather indifferent. Didn't care much about him dying, seeing as he was more a blank slate then even N6
Its for talking about the secret Krabby Patty formula, you didn't know?
graceful umbra
humble yacht
What is this channel for?
Read the channel description to find out!
versed helm
man.. what is the meaning of halo ODST legendary ending?
the engineers and convenant?
versed helm
Ah, in that case, suppose rather indifferent. Didn't care much about him dying, ...
I remember thinking "wait what? Damn, that sucks" and then i moved on
spiral jewel
As of 2560, when it comes to the SPI armors that the Spartan 3s + Kurt-051 had, was the SPI armor
A) been totally abandoned by the UNSC?
B) has it either been merged with the Mjolnir Gen 2/3 platforms ?
or
C) is the SPI still receiving new models... ?
narrow warren
anyone know how to get the Master Chief Petty Officer in the halo universe?
Seeing how it is a real rank in the real U.S. Navy, I would assume that it works much the same. Has a lot to do with Time in Service as well as what your current billet allows for a rank.
tacit charm
As of 2560, when it comes to the SPI armors that the Spartan 3s + Kurt-051 had...
a) no , b) yes gen 1 and maybe gen 2 c) possibly
lament hornet
As of 2560, when it comes to the SPI armors that the Spartan 3s + Kurt-051 had...
A) We know of Beta and Gamma Spartans that continued to wear SPI armor. With the destruction of Currahee Special Assembly Plant 2 on Onyx, where SPI was manufactured, no more are being built.
B) SPI isn't MJOLNIR, no.
C) There was Mark II SPI that rolled out which Gamma Company wore in 2552. As of 2558, SPI as a whole is being phased out of use.
ocean matrix
man.. what is the meaning of halo ODST legendary ending?
the engineers and conve...
The meaning of the Legendary ending other than it’s quite literal depiction of Truth finding the Ark, it’s on a symbolic level a representation of the final circle of Hell where Lucifer (Truth) would reside and it being cold and devoid of all life much like it’s description in Dante’s Inferno where the final circle is reserved for traitors and those farthest from God (which in Halo’s context world certainly be Truth and the Engineer traitors assisting him).
All of ODST is really just a clever retelling of Dante’s Inferno with a beautiful Halo makeover.
craggy sierra
I don't remember the part of Dante's Inferno where he walked around for 3 hours finding audio logs not being involved in the main plot.
humble yacht
i'm playing devil's (heh) advocate but maybe that could be like how Dante listened to the wailings of different damned souls in the different levels of hell
versed helm
What has humanity done to planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune?
versed helm
Thank you Ostral
gilded mason
Halopedia is a very useful resource.
lament hornet
Halopedia is a really solid 2nd-souce for lore.
(Don't touch Fandom, CIA isn't called CIA for no reason 
)
obsidian thistle
🤔
I aint Halopedia! Halopedia is a community of Halopedians who want to record information and want to do what they can for the community! :D
Its more apt to say I am a Halopedian. One who is an admin community guy ;)
alpine cipher
I replayed Halo 3 and I started to wonder, was the grave mind you interacted with in the mission Cortana starting or was a key mind?
gilded mason
Graveminds are the final stage of keyminds
alpine cipher
I thought it went Proto-Gravemind > Gravemind > Keymind
gilded mason
Nah, as of HW2, it was clarified that keyminds are simply Flood forms that can act as coordinators for lesser Flood forms
alpine cipher
I thought those were the abomination flood forms
There was a Keymind during the Forerunner-Flood war
gilded mason
Abominations are keyminds, yes
humble yacht
keymind is an umbrella term referring to any flood form that commands/coordinates other flood forms
alpine cipher
I thought they were more of a mobile Proto-Gravemind
I thought Keyminds formed when the Flood reached the trans-galactic stage
gilded mason
Nope
alpine cipher
Are Hidden Xperia’s lore videos outdated now?
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
Graveminds are the highest level of keyminds
humble yacht
Then what about the gravemind on H2?
what about it?
gilded mason
lol
alpine cipher
The lore changed since 2019
gilded mason
This has been known since 2017
gilded mason
;)
humble yacht
i thought it was a 2018 dlc
alpine cipher
I haven’t read the new halo novels yet, so I don’t know the newer lore
humble yacht
i forgot HW2 released so early in the year
the "new" lore pertaining to keyminds is from a game, not a book
gilded mason
You're out of time!
alpine cipher
But back to my question, was the H3 gravemind at the final stage of development
humble yacht
there is no size limit to graveminds, they can always keep growing
they don't transform to something new, tho, they just are bigger graveminds
alpine cipher
Ok, but I thought that with the knowledge consumed from thousands of worlds the flood would become something greater
ocean matrix
I don't remember the part of Dante's Inferno where he walked around for 3 hours ...
Well no, but like someone pointed out Sadie’s Story is symbolically the nine circles, they are even categorized as such. Not to mention you are getting guided through New Mombasa (which is constantly referred to in game as “hell on Earth” since it’s the only spot the Covenant are focusing on primarily) by Virgil who was Dante’s guide in the book.
humble yacht
they're the flood
they're arguably the greatest threat and most evolved lifeform in the galaxy
humble yacht
that still is a thing
alpine cipher
When I was talking to my mom about the flood, she compared them to the Borg from Star Trek. Is she right in that connection?
ocean matrix
Nah, still the same, the fun thing about the Gravemind is his final line directly to Master Chief where it expresses sadness and confusion as to why someone would want to stop it. In the Gravemind’s point of view what it’s doing is a blessing.
ocean matrix
When I was talking to my mom about the flood, she compared them to the Borg from...
Pretty much.
When ever I think of the Flood I always compare it to The Thing .
alpine cipher
Nah, still the same, the fun thing about the Gravemind is his final line directl...
When I replayed the mission Cortana without IWHBYD it was nerve wracking.
alpine cipher
When ever I think of the Flood I always compare it to The Thing .
I would think slither would be more applicable
ocean matrix
When I replayed the mission Cortana without IWHBYD it was nerve wracking.
The level aged like fine wine. I used to hate it now I love it because of all the lore bits scattered around.
alpine cipher
Yeah
humble yacht
the flood and the Borg are not the same
alpine cipher
the flood and the Borg are not the same
But similar
humble yacht
sure, they're both hive mind archetypes, but that's about where the similarities end
gaunt oakBOT
alpine cipher
sure, they're both hive mind archetypes, but that's about where the similarities...
It’s also about where the Borg’s goal is to assimilate all life into its mind
humble yacht
please disable pings when replying
alpine cipher
Ok
humble yacht
the Borg's goal is to take advantageous aspects of other species and incorporate it into themselves to make them better
ocean matrix
There’s a fun novel someone wrote that is about The Thing but the whole book is told through its perspective. It’s actually quite sad since in its eyes, humanity is the enemy and it doesn’t want to be alone. I would love a novel from the Flood’s perspective since what little we have on that is so few.
humble yacht
the hivemind nature of the Borg isn't one mind, but rather several minds all linked together, the Collective
that's why individual borg units had specific designations
and also why Seven of Nine complained about feeling lonely when she was first disconnected from the Collective
alpine cipher
That is true, but I didn’t say they were the same
ocean matrix
I always thought it was weird we never got a huge Hivemind boss but it wasn’t until later I realized how silly of a concept that would have been since every Flood you fight is the Gravemind. To single it’s form to one central being would downplay its very essence.
humble yacht
they aren't that similar
alpine cipher
But they can be compared and contrasted
humble yacht
you'll find more differences than similarities when you really compare/contrast them
alpine cipher
My point in which that they share similarities still stands, even if they have more differences
humble yacht
that's like saying humans and elites are similar because they're both sentient
you can find surface level similarities between a bunch of things
alpine cipher
Would you like to compare Humans and Sangheili?
humble yacht
no
alpine cipher
Ok
versed helm
I saw that some people say Jerome may be a important Spartan soldier in further game series.
What do you think of it?
gilded mason
I don't see it
versed helm
you think Jerome is just a cameo?
gilded mason
No. But I don't think he's important
gilded mason
Because he just seems like a side character
gilded mason
No. Other spartans have used AI before
gilded mason
Yeah, Fred, Linda, and Naomi also had AI.
versed helm
oh where can I find it? I never heard of it thanks
gilded mason
Last Light for Fred, Lone Wolf for Linda, and Kilo-5 for Naomi. (I forget how long Black Box was in Naomi's armor, though)
versed helm
oh wait.. Linda was in Pillar of Autumn, Halo: Combat Evolved right?
gilded mason
Yes
versed helm
i remember it when i played it another spartan was there sleeping ig she died in halo 1
unique rune
She was "killed" during the Fall of Reach. Got stuffed in a cryotube and was resuscitated later on.
gilded mason
(Also, spartan character importance shouldn't be dictated by how similar they are to John, anyway)
versed helm
yea that's true
versed helm
Last Light for Fred, Lone Wolf for Linda, and Kilo-5 for Naomi. (I forget how lo...
thanks man you know a lot
gilded mason
Thanks
versed helm
and I saw the new Cortana? in Halo: infinite trailer.
I was curious if she will replace Cortana
gilded mason
Hopefully not
versed helm
hmmm so you mean John will recover Cortana?
Cortana is malfunctioning tho she is too old
versed helm
haha yea i am quite cuirous.. how they will deal with the situation. since Master chief's new mission is the deletion
humble yacht
i also don't see what's so special about jerome
gilded mason
Same
gilded mason
😎
humble yacht
i hope the Weapon doesn't replace cortana, but I also don't want the actual Cortana to die or be redeemed
i want her neutralized in a way that she's not totally gone but still in the back of our minds
like when Batman puts the Joker in Arkham
ocean matrix
Well based on what was said The Weapon or as I call her Sister (since technically she is Cortana’s sister) her sole purpose and design is to delete Cortana and then immediately delete herself.
humble yacht
the weapon was not designed to delete cortana
she was designed to impersonate her for the purpose of capturing her, at which point she would be delivered to the Infinity for deletion
ocean matrix
Hmm in the trailer she said that was her objective or maybe I misunderstood
humble yacht
upon successful deletion of Cortana, the Weapon's deletion protocols would activate
i think you misunderstood
ocean matrix
Ah that sounds right.
My mistake
Oh yeah I’m watching it again, haha yeah it’s been a minute since I saw this
versed helm
Who released Floods?
I remember that I met them in Halo:CE first time but I don't remember how they could still exist after the Halo activation
humble yacht
the covenant released them in CE
versed helm
wut
humble yacht
halo installations all had flood research facilities and samples so that they could study for a cure
the covenant didn't let them out on purpose
they'd never been to a halo before, they didn't know what was what
versed helm
ok i mean.. the forerunner was gone then who studies the samples?
gilded mason
The monitors
versed helm
oh the things like Guilty Spark
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
so Guilty spark wasn't bad boy
gilded mason
He was a...misguided boy
versed helm
in my memory, he was weird devil
humble yacht
Guilty Spark wasn't evil
he was just antagonistic
that's what happens when your goals don't align
versed helm
okay. makes sense. Did he die after Halo:CE?
ivory crow
He comes back in some of the newer books and makes friends right?
gilded mason
Yeh
versed helm
lol immortal
terse lava
I'm glad he didn't die (not at the time I completed CE the first time I admit) he had a good redemption arc and finale
ivory crow
I also like him quite a bit and feel the same.
stable flower
Yeah he's a book character now thanks to 343
terse lava
Nothing wrong with that
loud kestrel
whats a guilty spark??
gilded mason
A major character in the first three Halo games.
stable flower
The first major villain in Halo actually
tacit charm
one very annoying ball in the halo bungie trilogy
versed helm
I am listening to HALO CE OST on youtube. and omg so much nostalgia from 2002..
I never felt something like when I played Halo first time in my life. no other games gave me the feeling in my entire life.
deep lagoon
I am listening to HALO CE OST on youtube. and omg so much nostalgia from 2002..
...
You're so absolutely right!