lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

how old was masterchief

[unique rune]

John was born in 2511, so that would put him at only about 15 at the time, chronologically speaking.

[versed helm]

Are you implying the UNSC used child soldiers? I'm sorry, as a representative of ONI Section 2, I must dispell these false claims. John was 20 at the time of the Battle of Circinius IV

[versed helm]

how

its impossible

[unique rune]

…Why is that impossible?

[versed helm]

how can he be so tall

he has a deep voice

oh....

Voice modulator in his helmet?

[unique rune]

I mean. The Spartan-IIs had already gone through their augmentation procedures (also roughly concurrent with progress of puberty), and they were wearing MJOLNIR armor.

[versed helm]

hes way of thinking also idk

its very confusing

[brazen grail]

It's more grizzled than deep

[unique rune]

hes way of thinking also idk
They’d been drilled into the military since the age of 6.

[versed helm]

Why did the covenant start a war with humans

[gusty echo]

Well it's mystery too

I think earth looks like halo

[versed helm]

Oh ok

They’re both round

[gusty echo]

The climate of halo is similar to earth that's why prophets who were the king of covenants ordered them to attack

[unique rune]

That is wrong on so many levels that I have no idea where to even begin

[gusty echo]

Cool pfp

[versed helm]

Halo 1 has trees a lot like earth

[gusty echo]

Play from halo ce

[unique rune]

I’ve played it like 8 times, what’s your point?

[gusty echo]

At mission 5 assault on control room Cortona also says it's look natural it's not artificial too

[unique rune]

In the game they never say why the Covenant is after humanity.
All of those details are shuffled into the game’s manual.

[gusty echo]

Aren't u confused from where to began

[unique rune]

…No?

[gusty echo]

Lol

[versed helm]

Maybe humans are reclaimers and prophets got jelly

[unique rune]

The Human-Covenant War began nearly thirty years before the events of Halo CE. It has nothing to do with the shape of the Halo rings.

[gusty echo]

Maybe

I think it's reclaimer stuff

[unique rune]

Maybe humans are reclaimers and prophets got jelly
That’s… not far from how it actually worked. The High Prophets of the Covenant found out that everything about their religion was false, with the whole thing about the Great Journey and reclamation being misinterpretations.

Humanity were the Forerunners’ chosen Reclaimers, which was information that would’ve broken the Covenant and caused the hierarchs to lose any power that they held.

The declaration of war against humanity to eradicate them was a measure to keep that knowledge secret.

[versed helm]

Ah ok like dictators killing dissidents to keep power

Willing to kill everybody like the kool aid cult

[unique rune]

Kinda, yeah

[gusty echo]

So why they attacked at human at first place

Jealous

[unique rune]

A Grunt panicked and fired at humans during first contact at Harvest, resulting in negotations breaking down.

[versed helm]

I would be

[gusty echo]

Wait a sec

So a grunt is the reason war started

[versed helm]

Grunts aren’t very good as grunts IMO

[gusty echo]

Grunts are cowards they are stronger in no.

[unique rune]

So a grunt is the reason war started
Sort of. War was probably inevitable given what Covenant leadership knew, the Grunt just accelerated the process.

[gusty echo]

LMAO

Just a little accident

[versed helm]

Wait so first contact wasn’t when the covenant sent the transmission in fall of reach saying human destruction was the will of the gods?

[unique rune]

Correct

[versed helm]

Was that a cover up?

[unique rune]

The transmission came after the initial Battle of Harvest.

[lavish garnet]

Why do I feel like this conversation is just baiting?

[gusty echo]

We r just talking how war started

[versed helm]

I’m learning a lot thank u emperor

[gusty echo]

Why everyone dislike halo 4 armor

As for me I like the halo 4 armor more than any armor of master chief

[versed helm]

I disliked it because it didn’t look like a set of Halo armor

Did it change in cryosleep between halo 3 and 4

Yes

Was that the firmware upgrade cortana mentioned

That wasn’t spam, bot

I just repeated the word “yes”

Cortana is a wizard

[gusty echo]

Well I like it because when I run,fire or do any activity I feel like a super soldier

[unique rune]

I think the firmware update line is supposed to be in reference to the change in how Chief’s helmet display looked

[versed helm]

Oh ok

[gusty echo]

When u do spirit in halo 4 the sound is so Cool

[versed helm]

I don’t like doing spirits

Isn’t it just the sounds of bags tussling

I love spiriting

Spriting is the coolest feature of halo gamer spartan man

Halo is a pretty cool guy

[rain imp]

The name's Halo. John Halo.

[versed helm]

John green petty man officer

[brazen grail]

Thanks. It's my boy Escharum. It's not Craig though

[potent sky]

youre stoned

[cosmic portal]

Captain Lasky is a homie

[void oar]

isn't installation 04 technically not the first halo ring that humanity has found in the 26th centuray

wasn't there a team that fled a colony in august 2552 and found installation 03?

[gilded mason]

Ugh, that discovery was awful.

[humble yacht]

Gamma halo was found after alpha halo

[gilded mason]

Possibly not, depending on how long the travel time took.

[humble yacht]

2 months

[gilded mason]

Ah, wait. Nevermind, it actually did give a date for arrival time

[humble yacht]

They found it in October

Derp

[gilded mason]

So you are correct.

[humble yacht]

It’s like I looked it up first or something

[gilded mason]

I did as well, but it turned out the source I got it from didn't include the arrival date on the source.

[humble yacht]

Inferior sauce

[versed helm]

What do the beam towers on halos do

[drowsy mesa]

Energy transport, data transport

[versed helm]

Ok thank u Urdidact

[clever kernel]

How does spartan armor in Halo 4 make one stronger? It doesn’t have an servo motors or controllable frame at all. It’s just a skin-tight, metallic body suit (like just chain mail) and heavy armor attached to the bodysuit. Like the armor doesn’t cover up too much stuff, even. The shoulder pads are like jutting out. I liked the tech armor because it was reasonably Bulky to have electronics in the under suit or stuff that helps one move quicker. The 343 armor is just pieces of metal? So is it the gen2 techsuit that augments the body? Does the techsuit have really skinny electronics or motors? Does it have some sort of material that can be electronically or hydraulically controlled? Because other wise it would just be the spartan that is doing all the moving.

[unique rune]

It doesn’t have an servo motors or controllable frame at all. It’s just a skin-tight, metallic body suit (like just chain mail) and heavy armor attached to the bodysuit.
Well, I mean, MJOLNIR from Mk.IV onwards has always been like that.

The iterations used by Spartans have never used servos or mechanical frames for amplifying user strength. They've all relied on a liquid metal crystal layer in the body suit for that.

[humble yacht]

For GEN2 armor, the tech suit has all the strength enhancement stuff

[unique rune]

And just in case it wasn't clear enough, this is something that dates all the way back to The Fall of Reach, not some new 343 era GEN2 special thing.

[humble yacht]

The tech suit is an extremely advanced piece of technology.

[silver saddle]

I believe it uses piezoelectric materials aligned for specific deformation along a predefined axis. So when an electric current is pushed through it creates and almost infinite feedback loop of force multiplication to the pre-defined axis points. It's mentioned in Halsey's journal from the reach collectors edition. I may not have gotten some of the exact specifics correct, but that's how it gets around using actual motors and frames

Piezoelectric materials exist today, and when an electric current is applied to them they deform slightly, and the opposite is true as well, when they are deformed they create a small electric current. I don't think we have the technology today to make something on the scale of MJOLNIR armour, or make it nearly as efficient, but that's the basis of the tech

[void oar]

also spartan IVs are augmented but it's not intense

I'm pretty sure it's gene therapy type of augments

[humble yacht]

It’s intense

Organ replacements, telomere lengthening, bone hardening, retinal implants

Increased muscles

[void oar]

I'm pretty sure that was for IIs

[gilded mason]

It's for IVs

[void oar]

IIIs also went under chemical agumentations

oh

[drowsy mesa]

S-IIs also have gene therapy

[humble yacht]

You can look up each generations’ augmentations on halopedia

[obsidian thistle]

Soon to be for each class once I finish my write ups of each 9 classes. (That 9 may be lowered and heavily as Delta Company didnt get augmented as we know it lol)

[last anchor]

The suit effectively moves the meat within it as fast as the wearer can think it through the neural interface.
When John first put his MK IV on, he thought about saluting, and his hand moved so fast it literally bounced off his helmet because it reacted even before he was done THINKING the motion.

[versed helm]

That sounds like a system that could backfire. Like, if a Spartan was juat thinking of shooting it would happen even if a civilan was right in front of her?

Or am i interpreting it wrong

[lime osprey]

Muscle memory is a powerful thing

[pine sage]

they all essentially had to re-learn how to move around while in the armor to get used to it. In fact, one could argue that even well into old age, a spartan could don his or her MJOLNIR and keep fighting as if they were still young because of that feature.

theoretically, as long as the spartan retained their mental faculties, they could keep fighting until the day they died.

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure Spartan brains are more resiliant than normal humans considering the amount of times Chief throws himself off of things or out of things, and never seems to suffer concussions.
Something about constant neuroplasticity wouldnt shock me

[pine sage]

Not the case with the Gammas. Too long without their smoothers and they literally go nuts.

[last anchor]

Gammas dont usually wear MJLONIR so thats not an issue.

Most of the surviors were folded into the Ferret teams right?

[tropic forge]

The Ferrets that was just the one team.

[pine sage]

singular, but yes. However, if they were able, they actually could use the MJOLNIR system. They could eventually be issued new MJOLNIR

to replace the SPI suits they currently use.

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure the ferrets are larger than just Fireteam Lopis.

Its a whole thing now, multiple Gamma teams operating similarly.

At least thats how I read the end of Last Light

[pine sage]

there's only a few gammas that survived, the rest of the 3s involved are from earlier companies. The 3s were left with Lopis to form the ferret team. They have worked in conjunction with blue team.

[humble yacht]

I thought the surviving gammas were removed from field duty

[pine sage]

no, there are only 3 surviving gammas. Ash, olivia, and mark. They're teamed up with lopis in, far as i can tell, the only ferret team

[humble yacht]

Halopedia makes it sound like there are more than 3

[unique rune]

There’s only like 4 IIIGs that we know of. Most of Gamma Company is pretty much unaccounted for save for a select few.

[humble yacht]

At least 4 gammas are directly named

[pine sage]

they're officially listed as KIA and were reassigned to what would become their current arrangement because the smoothers needed to keep them sane are illegal and ONI feared knowledge of them would go public otherwise

[humble yacht]

The three in the ferrets, yes

But others were reassigned to other roles and non combat roles

The ferrets just don’t know what happened to the others

[unique rune]

The survivors of Saber, sure, they’re listed as KIA but active as Ferrets. The status of Katana and whichever other S-IIIs is still up in the air.

[humble yacht]

Then another gamma become a solo operator for ONI

[pine sage]

out of the 5 that were directly named, only 3 are alive

[humble yacht]

Spartan G065 is still alive and is not one of the three ferrets

[unique rune]

Gamma Company was 330 Spartans strong. Including Gladius, we only know the fates of 11 Gammas total. That leaves another 319 potentially out doing who knows what.

[humble yacht]

According to Glasslands, an unknown number of gammas were grandfathered into Spartan Branch or transistioned to non combat roles

[pine sage]

unknown gammas or unknown 3s in general?

[gaunt oak]

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[humble yacht]

Halopedia says gammas

[pine sage]

only a few individuals made it into the dyson sphere within Onyx. Unless other gamma teams deployed before the covenant got there, they're all dead

[last anchor]

They did.

[pine sage]

oni's requisitioning a LOT of smoothers, then.

[last anchor]

The only Gammas left on Onyx were the "top tier" groups finishing up the top of class exerciszes
Kurt even laments that the Covenant should have shown up two week searlier, when there were 300 Spartan-IIIs on base

Im pretty sure ONI makes them themselves so

[pine sage]

unless they sent bulk teams on more suicide missions

with the missions that 3s got sent to during the war, the survival rate is obnoxiously low.

[last anchor]

They ran out of the need for that after the Covenant War ended so presumably not.

If theres some hardened target that the UNSC needs knocked out these days, they just send Infinity

[pine sage]

well the war was still going on when all but the top class got deployed

[last anchor]

And then it ended a few months later

[broken belfry]

hello fellow lore nerds, expect u all probably hardcore lore nerds

[last anchor]

It varies in my experinece

[broken belfry]

meh i kinda know stuff

mostly micalanous, but it is more than my friends who play

[fair hazel]

I’m hard core generally

[broken belfry]

cool

who is the captive from the halo books found by the didcate?

[fair hazel]

The primordial. A precursor

[broken belfry]

first gravemind as well

very good, u know ur stuff all my friends stare at me like i just asked a question in arabic

[fair hazel]

I watched a video earlier today about rebellion vs unsc and it got on my nerves

[broken belfry]

was wrong?

cause i hate having my freinds explain a new halo game and me having to explain the correct bg

[fair hazel]

Well his consciousness was spread

[versed helm]

I want to spread my consciousness

Sounds trippy

In halo 2 when cortana said the forerunner ship had a formidable AI, was that mendicant bias?

[rain imp]

That is correct.

Or at least a fragment of him.

[versed helm]

Thank u

[versed helm]

Is the story of mendicant bias’s rampancy in the halo 3 terminals an allegory for rationalism undermining essentially religious institutions that prop up society?

[versed helm]

Maybe the mantle symbolises morality, which does not materially exist, leaving a scientific mindset to only describe behaviour as dictated by evolution rather than prescribe it based on principles

Or maybe it’s just a space zombie tricking a robot idk

[main rivet]

I think you're reading a bit more into it than you should.

[versed helm]

Ok thank u

[main rivet]

You could read the Forerunners' belief in the Mantle as religious, sure, but in practice they function more like a secular cult of reason.

The Gravemind's "appeal" to others on the basis of "Flood good" is much more religious crusade in rhetoric, down to the "join with me and sing everlasting" stuff.

[versed helm]

Ya that’s true

[main rivet]

Speaking broadly the Halo universe absolutely lifts a ton of religious stuff (like 'Halos', the Ark, the Flood, etc.) for use in its universe, but I wouldn't say it really incorporates it thematically. It's just there for some evocative language, etc.

[proud nimbus]

H Y P E R L E T H A L

[versed helm]

What do those Y shapes and symbols in visr mode in ODST mean?

[main rivet]

They're communication between Engineers.

According to Staten they're basically allegorical or metaphorical stories.

[versed helm]

Cool I wish I could read Engineer

[main rivet]

I don't think anyone's "deciphered" them, and I'd hazard I guess they aren't really meant to be deciphered in a literal sense either.

[versed helm]

Mysterious

[lavish garnet]

Have I watched too many youtube videos, or were the flood originally used as a cosmetic agent for pets by Humans? Where was that cited originally?

[humble yacht]

Ancient humans had domestic animals called pheru

The precursor powder they found made the pheru more friendly so ancient humans fed it to them. Over time the pheru started growing tumors and when they started eating these tumors, they started to get more mutated

Eventually humans started exhibiting these same growths and cannabilistic behavior, and that was the easiest form of the flood

[lavish garnet]

Thank you - where did that come from? A novel or one of the terminals?

[silver saddle]

The forerunner trilogy of novels written by Greg Bear

[lavish garnet]

Thanks - been a while since I read them, and seen so many youtube videos lately, was unsure if this was something they just made up

[last anchor]

Nope, that is legit the origin of the first recorded Flood outbreak

[pine sage]

So even the most advanced humans were idiots. "Dunno what this is but it calms my pet so ima use it"

[main rivet]

They'd tested it and it seemed otherwise inert.

The problems didn't manifest for a while.

[half island]

Spartan = good, Covenant = bad, Arbiter = aight

[broken belfry]

flood= aww hell no

[violet notch]

Do you think the Flood would have a chance to infect the Star Wars galaxy? Or do you think the SW galaxy is too advanced and militarized to fall to it?

The Halo galaxy is a lot more realistic in its levels of relative military coverage.

Whereas the SW galaxy has armadas capable of covering large swaths of the galaxy.

Do you think that would give it an edge to resist complete Flood takeover?

Or do you think it actually might be a liability?

[humble yacht]

Flood would take SW easily

Droid army would be the only potential defense but they suck

[violet notch]

Do you think the sheer ease of transportation through the galaxy would be the biggest factor?

Because that's also what allows the SW galaxy to patrol so many systems with such large fleets. That level of firepower could easily tip the balance in their favor.

[humble yacht]

One of the hallmarks of the clone wars was the republic was stretched thin in the outer rim

[violet notch]

Compared to the Halo galaxy though, even the thinnest the SW galaxy gets in places is still massive. Comparatively speaking.

[shut dew]

What would you think of an unofficial roleplaying guide for those who want to create Halo OCs?

[humble yacht]

Sounds unnecessary

[versed helm]

What’s a halo oc

[gilded mason]

As in, a character that you create that logically fits into Halo's universe.

OC: Original Character

[versed helm]

Oh ok thank u

[pine sage]

I think the flood would win because it would be a surprise situation. One planet on the outer rim goes dark, no one noticed and by the time someone does there's likely a few ships sent to neighboring worlds.

Then comes the fighting and itll take time to even determine what puts them down large scale while planet after planet gets infected

[violet notch]

But word would spread fast.

[pine sage]

After a couple worlds fall, sure.

[violet notch]

If this were an era where the Jedi were at their height, then they'd probably figure out the patterns after a few planetary losses. And at least devise a method of containment.

[humble yacht]

The forerunners couldn’t contain it

[violet notch]

If this were an Imperial era, then the Empire would just bombard the planet from orbit, and/or destroy the planet altogether.

[humble yacht]

The Jedi wouldn’t fare much better

[violet notch]

The forerunners didn't have the fleet size that about any SW era has.

That's the biggest difference.

[humble yacht]

Uh

The forerunners were the foremost power in the galaxy

[violet notch]

The SW galaxy's numbers are ridiculously over the top.

[humble yacht]

Their fleets probably dwarfed the republic and empire

[violet notch]

I don't know. The scale in the two fictions, just doesn't match up to what you're saying.

[gaunt oak]

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[violet notch]

... I was just directly responding to you.

We're in mid conversation.

[gaunt oak]

To disable the ping/tag when replying, please click or tap the "on" button at the right hand side of the chat box in order to turn it off.

[violet notch]

I get that but... chill out

[humble yacht]

Rules say to not ping mods

[violet notch]

It's not like I was in some other random channel and just pinged you. We're in the middle of a conversation in the moment. And I hit reply.

Context mate

[humble yacht]

And I’m just informing you to unping replies going forward

[violet notch]

I know. I just didn't think of it.

[humble yacht]

Well that was your reminder

[violet notch]

And honestly, I didn't even know you were a mod.

[humble yacht]

Now you do

[violet notch]

Yes, I see the orange name color.

But that didn't come to mind until just now.

[pine sage]

Forerunners spanned the entire milky way. Slip space travel may have been slower but not prohibitively so. Plus each host taken by the flood brings knowledge from that host. Each planet that falls, including military installations, gives the flood a decisive edge. Every ship or station that falls to the flood guarantees a victory against forces they were coordinating with.

[violet notch]

In any case... back on topic.

[humble yacht]

Well hopefully the reminder sticks with you going forward

[pine sage]

Add a gravemind or two in the mix and empire would be SOL

[violet notch]

The Empire is more willing to sacrifice any and all to attain victory.

They'd Death Star a planet or two without a thought.

[humble yacht]

The forerunners were willing to kill everyone to beat the flood

[violet notch]

And they did, lol

[pine sage]

They also weren't willing to deploy droids on a large scale. The flood would force them to

[humble yacht]

Flood could potentially compromise droids with logic plague

As stupid as it is

[pine sage]

If the ai in the droids were sophisticated enough

[humble yacht]

Or not sophisticated

Apparently even sentinels and lower AI fell to the flood during the war

It’s a dumb ability, it changes to be as powerful as Greg bear needed it

[pine sage]

Flood couldn't sway the prometheans that were used. And the composed humans used to make them had no sentience

Not post composition anyway

[violet notch]

What would be absolutely terrifying is if the Flood gathered enough medichlorian biomass to create a force sensitive Gravemind.

[humble yacht]

Well the prometheans were specifically designed to be anti flood

So it’s possible they had programmed protections

[pine sage]

Force sensitive gravemind would be game over

[humble yacht]

Neural physics is halo’s force

[violet notch]

Neural physics is Halo's telepathy

But the Force is more than that.

[humble yacht]

Neural physics built Star roads

Structures that defied conventional physics and reality

[pine sage]

Did it enable the use of clairvoyance or telekinesis

[humble yacht]

It made the domain

[violet notch]

Halo's expanded universe gets more and more ridiculous as I learn about it.

[pine sage]

Does it allow one to sway the minds of others

[humble yacht]

Yea

Logic plague is probably a neural physics ability

[pine sage]

Then why couldn't the gravemind sway ship captains into its territory for mass infection

[humble yacht]

Gravemind swayed Didact into refusing to use the halos and to cause discourse in the ecumene

[tacit charm]

Hello There

Ok got question can the covenant in a short amount of time say a week or month be able to glass the entire square inch of surface of an earth like planet or glass most of it

[violet notch]

They can glass a planet in hours.

[humble yacht]

The covenant doesn’t generally bother glassing the entire surface area

Vaporizing the oceans causes enough damage

[gilded mason]

Pretty sure this was gone over elsewhere, but no.

[violet notch]

Shipmaster's fleet "glassed half a continent" in mere moments in Halo 3. And that's with fewer ships that he probably had at the height of the Covenant's power.

[gilded mason]

He did not glass half a continent

Hood was being his usual exaggerating self.

[violet notch]

Fair. He might have been hyperbolic.

[gilded mason]

We see in H3's epilogue right next to Voi that nothing looks particularity glassed.

That's the quickest way to see he was hyperbolic

[tacit charm]

ye ive been looking into covenant weaponry and shielding or their capabilities in general it seems to suggest otherwise

[humble yacht]

Otherwise of what

[tacit charm]

they cant glass entire surface of a world, that came out wrong

[humble yacht]

They can if they want

But it’s largely unnecessary

[gilded mason]

Yup

[tacit charm]

they could it just takes a really long time and a crapton of resources tho

[gilded mason]

Yes.

So as said, pointless.

[humble yacht]

Reach was mostly glassed over the course of a day

[tacit charm]

my question is not if they could or couldnt glass whole worlds its if they can do it in a short time span

[gilded mason]

Post-Reach lore says they cannot

[tacit charm]

would be nice if u had citations

[humble yacht]

Soon after reach, the covenant splintered in a big way

[gilded mason]

Halopedia went over this with you.

[tacit charm]

wait were you there

[gilded mason]

Yes

[tacit charm]

oh

ye that was fun

[humble yacht]

But at the height of their power, a fleet like the Fleet of Particular Justice could glass a planet pretty fast

[tacit charm]

didnt someone say that glassing half a planet was an exaggeration

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[humble yacht]

That was like a few ships

[tacit charm]

so not really a valid point

[humble yacht]

No

A full fleet has dozens of capital ships, minimum

[tacit charm]

they glassed a portion of africa yes but obviously not half of it

[silver saddle]

It's listed somewhere that a typical CCS battle cruiser can glass 1acre every 15mins

I think it's on the halopedia page for glassing

[tacit charm]

its on data pad 10 for halo reach

[humble yacht]

4 acres an hour

[silver saddle]

Oh sorry

15 sec0nds

So 4 acres a min

[tacit charm]

i cant use that info cause it was gathered right at the very beginning or a year after the war began but thats not to say the calculations they used were entirely wrong tho

[humble yacht]

Well a planet like earth is about 37 billion acres

[silver saddle]

I mean, there are no other Canon sources for how quickly the covenant can glass something

Just the land coverage of earth is 146million km squared

[humble yacht]

The fleet that glassed reach was 50x the size of the fleet at earth in halo 2, so about 750 ships

[tacit charm]

i mean the assembly did do the calcs and it would take 30 years to completely glass the entire surface of an earth like planet

[humble yacht]

750 ships could glass about 3000 acres per min

[silver saddle]

I bet larger ships like the CAS and CSO would be faster aswell

[tacit charm]

wasnt the fleet around 300 to 500

[humble yacht]

Hood said the fleet that took reach was 50x the size at earth

Cortana counted 15 capital ships at earth

[tacit charm]

ummmm maybe depending if the cas or cos can withstand a single hit from the reach odp smacs

[gilded mason]

That was another Hood hyperbole, it seems. Apparently there were about 315 Covie ships at Reach on Aug 30

[tacit charm]

well tbh the dude has been know to exaggerate things before

[humble yacht]

Well then use 315

[silver saddle]

We saw regrets CAS just ignore an entire battlecluster of ODPs in halo 2

[humble yacht]

That’d be a glassing rate of 1260 acres per min

75600 acres per hour

Lol, I don’t think this math checks out

[tacit charm]

oh boy that halo 2 misconception heres the thing and i said it in another server the cas never got hit by the odp if ur thinking about the line we jon perlman says concentrate fire on the cas it doesnt necessarily mean oh the cas shrugged our shot hit it again it just means prioritize ur target to the cas

[gilded mason]

What.

[silver saddle]

That's about 305 square km per hour

With 315 CCSSS

[tacit charm]

ye i checked the script for halo 2 never does it say nor indicate besides maybe this and another line that the odp successfully shot at the cas

[gilded mason]

The main argument is that Cortana said she will not fire until it gets inside the killzone. Cortana then says she's now firing the MAC. And then she says that the CAS bullrushed to Earth, with us even seeing it appear right overhead of the MAC

[tacit charm]

you mean this line ""Registering all hostile vessels inside the kill zone. Thirteen cruisers, two Assault carriers. I'm going loud!" then the following cutscene/

[gilded mason]

Yes

If they're in the killzone, that would be the distance where the Covies cannot reasonably move out of the way, especially against an AI, correct?

[silver saddle]

I would assume, and with an ODP I bet that's a huge range

[tacit charm]

u do know the carrier can just simply move out of the way from where the gun is facing in fact we see the carrier flying idk its space so im going to say behind the smacs

[humble yacht]

Maybe kill zone means the range at which a direct hit would pierce shields and hull

[tacit charm]

its space so itll be infinite

unless stopped by another force

[silver saddle]

It still has travel time though...

[fair hazel]

The halo reach data pads may not be accurate..

[tacit charm]

ye ik thats y i chose to ignore or take their calcs with a grain of salt

[gilded mason]

It's all in the vacuum of space, so there'd be no range limit besides ships moving out of the way of it.

[tacit charm]

i should also not here the reach and earth odp r not the same model

the one at reach is vastly more powerful than the one at earth

[humble yacht]

Earth’s gravity could still affect mac rounds

[gilded mason]

True

[humble yacht]

But sure, maybe kill zone is the range at which a ship couldn’t change course fast enough to avoid a shot

[gilded mason]

Different ships would have different levels of armor and shielding anyway, so "Cannot move away" would be a more uniform designation, anyway.

[humble yacht]

By that logic, different ships have different levels of speed/maneuverability

[gilded mason]

True

[pine sage]

Dont forget that prior to the CAS getting through, the Cairo and Malta platforms were already destroyed making a hole in the defense perimeter

[gilded mason]

Yup

[humble yacht]

Gosh darn perimeter holes

Always letting things through

SMH

[pine sage]

Sorry, the athens and Malta, you were on the Cairo

Cairo was already firing on other targets when the CAS flew by

[gilded mason]

Actually, she was ordered to concentrate her fire on the carrier

[pine sage]

Regret had plot armor at that point

[gilded mason]

Yeah, I'm sayin' that CASs, or at least CASs of Regret's caliber, have good enough shielding/armor to tank ODP shots

(For a time)

[main hill]

Oh god I haven’t talked here in forever

[pine sage]

According to the lore, ODPs were the only thing that COULD one shot the covenants best capital ships

Otherwise it would take coordinating and staggering the mac shots of several large UNSC capital ships to take even one out

[terse lava]

Yeah, usually equaled out to 3 MACS for one covenant ship

[pulsar pivot]

ODPs?

[gilded mason]

Orbital Defense Platform

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

Wait dont those have their own Mac Cannon

[gilded mason]

ODPs are orbital MAC cannons

[pulsar pivot]

Oh so they are a Deadlier MAC Cannon

[tacit charm]

thats supposedly for the cruisers but i think that number originally came from the halo encyclopaedia which to say that is canon is like saying locke has a character

[terse lava]

@tacit charm it originated from the earlier media, like Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, and First Strike

[tacit charm]

anyways there maybe a number i could theoretically put for cov ship shielding tho, in the scene where the infinity rammed the cheaper version of the cruiser the ke outputted was at 169.35 megatons but thats not saying that is the required amount of energy to destroy or down the shields of the ship

[tacit charm]

do u happen to know which pgs that says 3 hits just wondering

[terse lava]

Not off the top of my head, no.

[tacit charm]

[terse lava]

What?

[tacit charm]

sry thats the closest thing i got to a sad face lol

[terse lava]

Oh, looks more like a challenge

[tacit charm]

anyways time to relay this info back to the halopadeia discord lets see wat people think of the number

[terse lava]

Where are you even getting that number from?

[tacit charm]

its from the scene where the unsc rammed the cruiser in spartan ops

wait i even said where it came from

[terse lava]

Well yes, but I mean the calculation for your number itself

[gilded mason]

How did you calculate that.

[tacit charm]

KE

[violet notch]

ODPs are the big space stations you fight in in Halo 2. Cairo Station is an ODP.

[tacit charm]

kinetic energy formula

[gilded mason]

How did you get those numbers.

[unique rune]

like saying locke has a character
Well, I mean, he does.

[pulsar pivot]

I know

[tacit charm]

KE = 0.5mv^2

[gilded mason]

Where did you get the numbers to plug in to that formula.

[tacit charm]

the mass is 907 million tons from warfleet and the speed was from that scene we saw it go 5km/4s = 1250m/s or 1.25km/s

[gilded mason]

How did you get that speed.

[tacit charm]

saw the scene in 0.25x

i thought it was 5 seconds initially but turned out to be 4 so k

anyways i like to note that wasnt a ccs cruiser that was just an armoured cruiser which isnt as robust as the ccs nor does it have the firepower tho im not sure if its just referring to the amount of weaponry on board or just theship in general

[terse lava]

Well we do know the RCS had more armor then the CCS, as shield technology was more limited back then

[tacit charm]

[terse lava]

Yes?

[tacit charm]

kind of needed the energy outputted in the shielding im not working out the amour on the ship since that can practically be taken out by anything

i honestly dont know why they couldnt just say oh the ccs is just a more refined version of the armoured version

[terse lava]

The CCS is the successor to the RCS

[tacit charm]

ik

oy ye not to mention on onyx 14 hornet/30 megaton mine was enough to destroy 12 cov ships and leaving 4 heavily damaged so hmm

[void oar]

So the halo 4 and 5 design for the covenant species always existed as phenotypes?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[void oar]

Yikes

Btw @gilded mason do you work with covenant canon?

[gilded mason]

Nope, though I used to interact with two of the members of it.

[void oar]

Oh

Bc I thought I saw your name being associated with them

[gilded mason]

Oh?

I did give them research sometimes.

[void oar]

Oh

Plus your pfp is familiar

[gilded mason]

My drawing of my character, Orta.

[void oar]

I like it

[gilded mason]

Thank ya.

[void oar]

Yep

[pine sage]

coloquially referred to as super MACs. Infinity is actually outfitted with 2 of them as her main forward guns.

[wispy wasp]

What is it that covers master chiefs raid on the anodyne spirit?

[gilded mason]

Uprising

[wispy wasp]

Ok, thanks

[pine sage]

never went through any of the comics

[languid tundra]

If two spartans get under the covers and pop out a kiddo, will the spartan DNA carry over to the kid and make the kid an augmented kid?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[languid tundra]

why not

[gilded mason]

Because the way they were augmented wouldn't pass those changes along to reproduction.

[languid tundra]

interesting

[pine sage]

However the kid will inherit the traits that made the spartans candidates for the program to start with. Though the ones who were picked based on genetic traits were the 2s.

[gilded mason]

Yes

[pine sage]

the 2s were quite literally the best of humanity before they were taken which is why they were taken

[gilded mason]

More that they had the correct genetics to survive the augmentation

Not necessarily the best genetics humanity had to offer

[languid tundra]

would the more standard hereditary stuff (metabolism, immune system, phenotype traits) still carry over?

[gilded mason]

If it wasn't augmented in, yeah

[languid tundra]

ah

I would imagine that surgeons would need stepstools for operating on spartans seeing as how gigantic they are. The stepstools would lift up the surgeon so they can see the spartan's body better

Either that or they lower the bed

[violet notch]

I think the augmentation made most of them infertile. If not completely, then it at least damaged them enough that fertility is a lot more difficult than it would have been.

[languid tundra]

Welp

[gilded mason]

It did not

They had a small chance of losing interest, but that's all it was. A chance.

[languid tundra]

but this is just a guess

[craggy sierra]

you...don't normally operate on people when they're standing up

[languid tundra]

no no thats not what im saying

im saying that while the spartan is lying down, the surgeons probably can't see anything well over the sides of their ribs

[humble yacht]

spartans are not that big

they're about the size of basketball players

[craggy sierra]

Spartans are not drawn by Rob Liefeld

[humble yacht]

is that who drew Gears of War characters?

[languid tundra]

look man idfk im just the guy in a suit of armor wielding a DMR

[craggy sierra]

Captain America

[languid tundra]

i'm not an egghead

well i mean i am but not in biology

[humble yacht]

i dunno kinda looks like marcus phoenix to me

[dawn knot]

Do you know those inflatable arms form SpongeBob? He found a full body version.

[topaz lantern]

what about the scaling of the weapons lmao, they were made for general use

[violet notch]

What is this unrealistic body standards for men I'm seeing? Lol. Kidding aside. This looks absolutely ridiculous.

[fair edge]

Ha

What is his chest

[unique rune]

Finished re-reading Ghosts of Onyx. Man I’d forgotten just how rough Kurt had it with his work on the Spartan-III program.

[pine sage]

like how they went over his head for the gammas' extra augmentations?

[unique rune]

Well, no, Kurt was the one who had those augmentations added after seeing all of Alpha and almost all of Beta die, which is more what I was referring to.

[loud zenith]

Dude that chest is so out their and not even proportional I’m surprised that marvel hired the artist…

[violet notch]

I'm surprised Marvel hires most of the artists they do these days. The writers are pretty questionable too lately. But I digress.

[pine sage]

Whatd I miss

[versed helm]

My fav comics artist is adi granov. Would love to see him do a halo piece. Look at how he does iron man and you’ll see what I mean https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/47/e8/4a47e834556d3f7c753ef55b204a749a.jpg

Apparently he did a draft comic in the original pitch for the first halo graphic novel, but he didn’t end up being involved in the final published thing 😞

Also would have loved to see bungie’s first pick for writer: Alan Moore of watchmen and v for vendetta fame

[viscid trout]

There is a reason why one of the lyrics to linkara's them is "iefield, your not an artist."

Amd st least it ain't miller.

[craggy sierra]

Rob Liefeld was like 90s/early 2000s

[last anchor]

The coloration looks it

[main rivet]

I presume Liefield's a personable guy because he definitely wouldn't have gotten work if his personality was as poor as his art.

[last anchor]

Also Im pretty sure stuff was a lot less intense back in the day. This was before the MCU existed after all

[viscid trout]

I think k it's better to blame the higher ups at DC and marvel comics then the mcu. Especially considering ... the new titans or whatever it was called.

For the uninitiated....that one was...hard to tell who it was for.

[last anchor]

Something that theoretically exists based on raw data but didnt actually exist in meatspace?

[viscid trout]

What? Well to give you an example..one of the characters in that comic got his power from "internet gasses." ...... and two other characters are called safe space and snowflake.

And no, he isn't named that cause of ice powers, I think.

[last anchor]

I know what you were talking about, yes.
I meant they thought it up because they had raw data that hinted this is what people WOULD like, but no one bothered to run double-checks and operate in meatspace long enough to see if it was true.
Raw corporate reactionism.

Something Im proud to say that 343 seems to avoid with great ease.

[viscid trout]

I really have to wonder why anyone 3ven if the data would support it, wouldn't look at so ething like "internet gases" and think "hey, maybe we should get some quality control in here...like..badly."

Like dear god it shouldn't take someone with a data sheet to use their brain to see that this was gonna turn out stupid.

[tacit charm]

Ok not really a question but some estimates ive made if the cov can glass the entire surface of a world

if 14 hornet mines were able to destroy 12 ships during the onyx then 30 x 14 = 420, 420 divide 12 = 35 megatons or if you want to make the argument then 30 x 14 = 420 divide by 9 = 46.66 megatons this all assuming this ship were made up of only destroyers and no heavy cruiser not to mention if 420 megatons is required to destroy the fleet heck it can even be lower and this could have been an overkill . Now im am going to high ball the feat for the covenant and just assume again assume it would take 420 megatons to drain the shields of a ccs cruiser, if the cas produces 10 times more energy outputted than the cruiser and for the sake of simplicity the cso is by a factor of 100. The cas will be 4200 megatons or 4.2 gigatons for the cso it will be 42000 megatons or 42 gigatons. First of all the odps at reach would actually be capable of annihilating the cso and other capital ships maybe the unyielding hierophant might be different.

As for the glassing beam im going to multiply by 5 which for the cas will be at 21 gigatons and cos will be 210 gigatons which is honestly the limit I can go for any covenant ship. Doing the math for how much ships are required to glass the surface of a planet like earth again being 310 teratons wen u divide this number with the cas it will require 14761.9 cas to glass only the surface of an earth like planet. The cos will be 1476.1 cos. Again I high balled everything in this scenario. There is also the fact than the energy projectors usually drain all or most of the energy in a Covenant ship for a brief period wen used thus explaining why we rarely see a covenant ship or any fire more than 7 to 20 seconds. Yes the number above assumes the cas are glassing whole worlds but even if you divide the number in half meaning just half a planet is glassed then that would still be 7380.95 cas which is still a lot of ships the cov has to conjure up for only half a planet and even if we want a quarter of the planet that’s still a lot of cas 3690.475. even further down to glass 1% of a planet with cas fleet would still require 147.619 ships all this not considering that reach has more land mass than earth which would require more ships to glass to a significant effect

[versed helm]

That's too much for my brain

[obsidian thistle]

Well to be up front (and to reiterate something a Halopedia staff member said not long ago to ya on another server)

The numbers wouldnt multiply/divide so on like that. There would also be variables that ultimately create a lotta factors that mean we can never accurately estimate those things without knowing a scenario to every degree.

Plus due to Covie ship classes having potientially a lotta patterns and mutations of those patterns. Any numbers we do come up with can vary on all that. A CCS ship could have a extremely weak beam but better defences, but another CCS mutation could flip the tables on paper.

Ultimately as long as the variable exist. Any data we come up with will be flawed.

(Plus one reason I think mutations and patterns were put into the fiction is to explain away oddities when a ship class does something that isnt expected of it. Giving writers an out at any moment.)

[unique rune]

I just feel completely lost on what any of these calculations are supposed to achieve

[viscid trout]

So one fandom can go "mine is beet er then yours cause the numbers are bigger!" When someone inevitably enters a versus debate,

[obsidian thistle]

Its an attempt to work out how many covie ships (and I think how long) are needed to glass a planet. But unfortunately due to untold variables we have no way atm to make those estimates accurately.

And even then that numbers would rarely divide/multiply that way also causing a major issue. :/ There would be loss/increase pending on random stuff and data we have no info on.

@unique rune @tacit charm

[unique rune]

I see.

Ultimately to me it just feels like one of those things that's flexible depending on what the writer is trying to do, so looking for hard numbers just won't ever get you very far.

Plus we could always end up with the problem with the... I think it was the Panzer IV?
It was some WWII-era tank comparison where people would make a point like "you need 4 Shermans to effectively fight a Panzer" when in reality it just usually turned out that the numerical advantage was useful for most situations so there was no reason to not use 4 when available.

[obsidian thistle]

Yea when plot is involved. A writer could just say the best ships for glassing are ready to go, the planet is the easist thing to glass, the conditions are right, and zero deets will change throughout. All for a rapid glassing.

But all what I said will never be the case, the ships will vary, the planet will vary, the conditions will vary, stuff will change throughout, and each ship will do stuff different. (be too high, too low, use too lil power, use too much, just outright stop)

Ultimately whatever is more fun to read is better than hard stats. Regardless of me liking them lol.

[unique rune]

Wonder if we'll ever hear more about various Covenant sects like the Governors of Contrition. Flood cult is certainly something... interesting.

[gilded mason]

Would be nice if they pop up in the new encyclopedia

[unique rune]

Yeah, I'm definitely hoping that it's one of the things the upcoming encyclopedia might expand on.

[tacit charm]

hmm intriguing

so inconclusive

ik my answer up there was not the most accurate thing hence y i kept on saying assuming it was a high ball estimate on two of the most powerful (in terms of firepower and durability) cov ships, as i said i high balled everything in that argument but for all we know the numbers could be way less also this isnt my whole argument it was only a snippet because the damn thing was so long.

[unique rune]

Huh. I’d never noticed the CCS-class battlecruisers in The Package have two sensor vanes like the original CE/2 Elefen-pattern model.

Placement of the vanes is a little off though.

[ashen abyss]

Has any thought why Chief is in the same rank from Fall of Reach to this Infinite?

[gilded mason]

Because there's no reason for him to go higher

[ashen abyss]

Doesn't he get a promotion from Master Chief Petty Officer

[gilded mason]

It's the highest enlisted rank, so nah

[ashen abyss]

But Johnson was superior in rank

[gilded mason]

Yes

[ashen abyss]

Does spartans have separate ranks?

[gilded mason]

If the Spartan is in the Spartan branch, then yes

If not, they have the rank system of whatever branch they're in

[ashen abyss]

ok

[obsidian thistle]

The Package designs are a case of "Are they even canon or just artistic license, and if canon are they a new pattern/mutation of CCS or a brand new ship class."

We know the Covies liked using the overall layout of the CCS for their ships

Honestly we also have a issue with 1 perplexing thing

https://www.halopedia.org/Resplendent_Fervor

This article assumes the flagship of that fleet was the assumed CAS aha. Could have been one of the unassuming assumed CCS if Luro really liked it

(Yes overthinking stuff sucks when ya realise stuff like that)

[humble yacht]

Johnson was in a different ranking structure. He was a marine. Chief is naval special forces

[worthy narwhal]

I wonder if we will ever see the founding documents of the covenant and religious scripture, that would be a nice book

[pine sage]

the light cruisers are a spitting image but miniature versions of the CCS

[violet notch]

Do you think there's a Great Journey holy book or Bible of some kind?

[main rivet]

From what we've seen the Covenant don't appear to have a single "holy book" a la religions of the book on earth.

[unique rune]

Yeah, I figured as much. Just thought it was a curious little note that whoever created the model went with a two vane design.

[last anchor]

Theres plenty of oddities in the Package really, stylistic or otherwise.
See; Every Covneant species having luminous green blood, Fred blocking an Energy Sword with his laser and it not instantly melting through the weapon.

[main rivet]

Halsey deaging twenty years 😛

[versed helm]

Didn't they kill the King of Camelot in the Package

[last anchor]

Along side probably the most unfortunatley numbered Spartan-II yes.

Interestingly, Arthur's father showed up again in Kilo-5 of all things

[versed helm]

Huh

[versed helm]

Why does Kelly have such a different accent from the other Spartan IIs if she was raised with them from a young age?

Because it would be weird to hear her in 5 be all English and then in the next game she's simplified English

[rich mulch]

nanomachines changed her voice while she was sleeping, son

[versed helm]

Ok makes sense thank u both

Armstrong did it

I don't really think they'd give an explanation on why but that's my guess so take as is

[unique rune]

Why does Kelly have such a different accent from the other Spartan IIs if she was raised with them from a young age?
Accents form pretty early on and are really hard for people to 'lose'.

By the time the S-II candidates had been abducted, they probably would've been pretty set in their speaking habits.

[versed helm]

They should've all talked like Chief Mendez

[unique rune]

...Why?

[versed helm]

He has a funny voice

[unique rune]

That's... not how vocal cord development works.

[rich mulch]

thanks for clearing that up I was wondering why I didn't sound like mendez since he has a funny voice

[versed helm]

Are there Marxists in halo lore

Hopefully not

But since halo lore is kinda also this world the idea is real in it

[unique rune]

The Koslovics of the Halo universe’s 22nd century followed some variety of communist ideology so I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to think Marxism still had some form of influence.

[versed helm]

Interesting

[versed helm]

Thank you, just what I was looking for

[languid tundra]

i wonder if retailers in the UNSC ever make their consumer goods (Shoes, shirts, ipads, books) in a much larger size so that it can be of a 'normal' size to spartans

cause a regular book in spartan hands is T I N Y

[versed helm]

If spartans use those type of things

[languid tundra]

i mean i just want to see a spartan browsing around in your local old navy trying to pick out if he should go with the blue and green polo, or the green and blue one 😂

[versed helm]

Jun wore a tux

[languid tundra]

i always enjoy installation00's videos on the science of the surgeries

and the 3s didn't even have surgeries, they just get their augmentations intravenously

it's like going to the clinic and getting a round of chemo done

[versed helm]

That trailer always freaked me out

Like Carter's augmentation

[gilded mason]

They did, actually. Just wasn't a majority of their augments

[languid tundra]

i'd actually prefer the 3 augmentation to the rest. I'm perfectly comfortable with it being 90% needles

[versed helm]

What's the ship in the Halo 4 map Adrift? is it the spirit of fire

[gilded mason]

It was a mining vessel. So nah.

[languid tundra]

mother of invention

[gilded mason]

https://www.halopedia.org/CAA_Heavy_Burden

[versed helm]

Oh, I see

[versed helm]

@versed helm it is not the spirit of fire but the Forward unto dawn, it was also mentioned in halo 3 and on the thermal of the beginning of halo 4

[gilded mason]

It is not the FuD. I already posted a link to what the ship was.

[versed helm]

Bruh.....

That word is banned?

[terse lava]

Plenty are here

[last anchor]

Full coverage for safety reasons.

[versed helm]

Hopefully a mod sees i was just saying a user's name and takea back my warning but it's fine if nothing happens

[last anchor]

They'll check probably

[versed helm]

Hope so

[unique rune]

Oh huh I’d forgotten that helioskrills were first named in The Cole Protocol.

[stable flower]

It also mentioned Mongooses being storable in SOEIVs

[unique rune]

I mean.
That bit isn’t terribly important to me.

Unless someone in Infinite crams a Mongoose inside an SOEIV it would never cross my mind.
And even then I wouldn’t particularly care if it was intended to be a reference to The Cole Protocol because sticking an ATV inside a metal box isn’t really anything special.

Not in the way that a whole unique set of MJOLNIR armor appearing in a mainline Halo title being named in reference to a Sangheilios-native predator that was first mentioned in a book nearly a decade prior is special.

[last anchor]

343 going fo rthe DEEP LORE XD

[unique rune]

343 has a tendency for going for some pretty obscure references. There’s a few lines of Halo 4’s S-IV NPC dialogue that references events that The Cole Protocol touches on, like the Fall of Madrigal or the Scyllion riot. It’s pretty cool.

[unique rune]

343 if you’re listening I want to be able to bludgeon an army of Grunts with a Mongoose in Infinite

[unique rune]

Maybe a little morbid but Bonifacio’s demise was incredibly satisfying to read.

[versed helm]

Why do brutes have Roman names?

[main rivet]

Just a motif. Same reason Elite's names are almost always structured the same way, or Grunts are a lot of repeating syllables and onomatopoeia.

In practical terms it helps a lot with identifying characters.

I assume it was partly a joke, like the Prophet's names often being the inverse of their actions or personalities—the brutish and savage enemies being named for a classic "civilized" people.

[versed helm]

I mean in the halo universe, why do humans call them by human culture names instead of alien language names

Or does the brute language just happen to be almost Latin

[main rivet]

Exactly what is the actual language of the Brutes versus translation choices isn't really made clear.

[versed helm]

In real life, is there an extinction event that occured 100,000 years ago Bungie used for setting the time frame for the Halo rings firing?

I feel like that's too close for an extinction event to occur but I only know about the Cambrian and Cretaceous extinction events

[terse lava]

There have been five mass extinctions, the last one being what wiped out the dinosaurs sixty-five million years ago. The one from one hundred thousand years ago I believe was more a bottleneck for humanity, rather then the whole world

[humble yacht]

What extinction event was that?

[terse lava]

Eh may be off actually, as I recall the main culprit blamed is the Toba eruption, and that was seventy to seventy-five thousand years ago

So Bungie could have been attempting to use that one

[last anchor]

There is mentions of the K-T blip, which was found on many different planets by xenoarcheologists, but until the Halos were discovered it was merely noted as an oddity with no real explanation, and many presumed it was merely coincidence.

The blip being a gap in the fossil records I think

[versed helm]

is the k-t gap real

[last anchor]

Presumably not, but we havent been to other planets to check soooo

[versed helm]

oh yeah, lol

[main rivet]

The K-T extinction event is real. That’s what killed the dinosaurs.

In halo, the arrays firing is represented by the Ross-Ziegler Blip (named after studio head Bonnie Ross.)

According to the fiction it wasn’t discovered until the 2300s and no one really knew it’s significance until the events of 2552.

But realistically it’s pretty impressive that a record actually existed.

Geologic time is long, people will never be able to precisely tell you what Tuesday the asteroid hit the earth .

Case in point everyone grew up knowing the dinosaurs died out 65 mya, nowadays it’s usually rounded to 66.

Even if the reseeding took hundreds of years that literally might not show up in the geologic record.

[obsidian magnet]

I once asked why there are only Brutes in the Reach mission Exodus and someone told me they sent in the heavy Calvary

Not a single Sangheili

[dawn knot]

They sent brutes to cities beacuse brutes eat and torture civilians

[unique rune]

I mean. Unggoy and Kig-Yar do that too if given the chance.

[versed helm]

Elites were too busy looking for artifacts

[keen mulch]

A question. after the human-covenant war there was a lot of human casualties, therefore few humans after this, as they did to repopulate the colonies or how they did so that the human race had several members.

[tame belfry]

The outer colonies and Earth got trashed, but the middle colonies were left mostly intact

[keen mulch]

So many humans were left, even if I imagine that projects were created to discourage humans to procreate

[lethal cave]

Is it just me, or does Palmer wear fingerless gloves? I swear they look that way in the Spartan Ops vids.

[obsidian magnet]

I also asked a good friend of mine online how Spartans can go without eating/drinking and he gave me this explanation about the augmentations stabilizing homeostasis and the hormones that control your hunger, plus the amount of time you are cryogenically frozen which pauses those hunger-moments or something

[versed helm]

Chief probably ate during CE, 3 and 4

Maybe even 2

[violet notch]

In the novelization of CE, we see that Chief did get some downtime between a couple of the missions.

Video Games often skip over stuff like that for pacing. But it's assumed that it just happens off-screen.

[obsidian thistle]

The novel also skips over a lotta the mundain stuff.

No one wants to read that Chief walked through another similar pathway for the 30th time lol

[minor sky]

I remember hearing that Bungie was very against that book and only let new characters show up as long as they were killed off before the book finished

[unique rune]

Might just be the armored sections GEN2’s gloves making it look that way. Palmer’s are fully enclosed, but the pieces of armor on the finger are white like the rest of her outer armor which might create the illusion of them being fingerless.

[main rivet]

Not particularly with The Flood, but Bungie wasn't a big fan of the EU stuff in general.

[minor sky]

Ah, my bad

[violet notch]

I can understand why. The EU stuff tends to get very exaggerated.

[green sluice]

If I remember correctly, Bungie was really fixated on keeping the universe as mysterious as possible

[violet notch]

Mostly because each author finds the need to out-spectacle the rest, and artificially boost the stakes just to make their narrative more dynamic.

[green sluice]

Can't exactly blame them for doing that since books needs to sell 😛

tho you aren't blaming anyone

[violet notch]

But it leads to Halo's serious problem with power-creep.

[austere river]

Power-creep? what does that mean?

[main rivet]

Eh, I don't think that's really a problem in Halo.

[violet notch]

Every Forerunner Macguffin is bigger, badder, and more epic than the last. And this goes on, it starts to diminish the impact of the original namesake of the series.

[unique rune]

Ehhh.

I’d definitely disagree with that.

Most Forerunner findings in the novels are pretty mundane compared to the weapons of galactic mass genocide.

Usually when the novels try to go high stakes it ends up involving the Halo array somehow instead of making up some other never before seen Forerunner superweapon.

[violet notch]

What was the name of the one that had giant disk-like platforms? That's the one I'm thinking of.

[unique rune]

Isn’t that the Forerunner capital of Maethrillian?

[violet notch]

Another annoying thing is how the novels want to over explore and over explain things.

The Flood was a mysterious pathogen of galactic proportions. And part of its terrifying appeal was its Lovecraftian uknowningness. It was just some extremely deadly Eldrich force. The novels' need to illustrate everything's origins led them to inventing a whole new more ancient race. Which felt like they were trying to out-forerunner the forerunner. And then it just got dumb when they tied it to the Flood. And made the Flood... kinda stupid IMO.

And the need to out-forerunner the forerunner really kinda downplayed the original Forerunner mythos a bit.

So it's not just the creeping scale of the super-techs that are annoying. But the constant piling on of superficial lore.

It really gets a bit annoying in just how much it makes the original source material seem petty by comparison.

[craggy sierra]

This isn't a bad thing

[violet notch]

Yes it is.

It's called power creep

And it steals the wind out of anything that came before.

[craggy sierra]

I meant the part about abandoning the namesake of the series

I think the power creep is dumb but I also think it has to end eventually

[limpid meadow]

For reference, the Precursors weren't invented for the Forerunner Saga, they were first hinted at and mentioned in Halo 3 bonus materials.

There's a reference to them in the H3 terminals and the Halo 3 Bestarium

343 just fleshed out what was already there.

[craggy sierra]

Lets be real, even if power never started creeping, Halo 2 pretty much straight up said "there's more to this universe than space zombies and death rings" when it brought in political overtones to the covenant's proceedings in that game but that side of the galaxy has been worfully underserved in the games in favour of more power creep.

[limpid meadow]

As for power-creep: while a serious issue in many series, I don't know that it's necessarily present in Halo just yet. Halo started with the galaxy-ending super weapon and we've yet to encounter anything that was a larger threat than that.

[craggy sierra]

It still wouldn't be true to Halo's name sake to focus stories on the more mundane political squabbles plaguing the galaxy since the war but it'd be a helluva lot more interesting.

Cause you could have more complex and nuanced story telling, characters and protagonists with intrinsic motivation and philosophies that play into the conflict, and have so much more material to work with.

[humble yacht]

There’s power creep with the ancient races

Forerunners were interesting because while the covenant considered them gods, we as players understood from as early as CE that they weren’t gods and were actually quite fallible

But then Greg bear comes in and mainstreams precursors as actual gods. Or at least something close enough that they’re effectively gods

Even forerunners themselves got a power creep, because nothing about the H3 terminals suggested they had telekinesis or effective immortality while in their armor

[last anchor]

To be fair, we didnt really know what their armor could do...or even that they wore it all the time. That came with the books

[terse lava]

We did get hints of that id day, seeing as the librarian asks the didact if he has learned anything in 300 years of war

[versed helm]

As of humanity's attempt of successful attempts of colonizing the moon(I'm talking about pre 2400s),did they terraform the moon?Or actually,any Planet without a n oxygen atmosphere.

[terse lava]

Just commected bio domes

[versed helm]

Damn.

Would be nice if we fought in a zero g environment with no o2,just floating around and blasting grunts while you see your allied Marines fighting with enclosed helmets instead of exposed

[terse lava]

That was shown in the Fall of Reach

[versed helm]

I ment in gameplay.

[terse lava]

Eh sorta got that in reach and 4

[versed helm]

Aight aight fair point.

[limpid meadow]

The H3 terminals suggest they have long-lives, with the Didact and Librarian implied to be at least 300 years old. A far cry from the over 10,000 years they now have lived (over 100,000 for the Didact), but still, it was there.

The Forerunners do not possess telekinesis, simply the ability to manipulate gravity. That's what's happening in Halo 4, and it really shouldn't come as a surprise from a civilization that has been shown to have master gravity manipulation and can build constructs that last 100,000+ years without damage. It's really not that big of a power-creep and you imply.

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[humble yacht]

I know what it actually is, I’m talking about effective appearances

[limpid meadow]

Woop, sorry, didn't mean to tag

[woven plaza]

In halo 3 odst, those phantoms have a lot of dangly things on the underside, what the heck are those? They don't get seen again, afaik.

[limpid meadow]

In which case I'd point to the fire-power the Dreadnought took in Halo 3 without a scratch.

[humble yacht]

Something to do with huragok production plants, I think

[woven plaza]

I mean the forerrunners made not one but two sets of galaxy-nukes (Lesser Ark Halo Array and the Greater Ark Halo Array) so some grav-manipulation isn't too wild

[limpid meadow]

They're Huragok pods.

[woven plaza]

lotta huragok pods

[humble yacht]

It’s one thing for ships and weapons to be insanely powerful. But when the people themselves start to get dbz levels of power, that’s when it starts to get a little ridiculous with power creep

And the precursors are even worse

[limpid meadow]

I simply can't agree given what we've seen of their technology and the threat of the Flood as detailed in the Halo 3 terminals.

[humble yacht]

Well people like and dislike different things

[limpid meadow]

I love the idea of the Precursors. They're incredibly powerful, but they remain off screen for the most part, which is where such beings belong.

[humble yacht]

Because you can’t kill a god with a BR

[limpid meadow]

If Precursors start appearing in the games (excluding the re-appearance of the Flood, of course), I'd agree with you about power-creep in regards to Halo.

To be clear, I can agree that it's there, but not that it's an issue at this time.

[humble yacht]

But even the idea of them is lame to me. When a being is so trandenscental that it can shed its body whenever it wants, there’s no real beating it

And if it can’t be beaten then what’s the point of even featuring it

It’s the Superman issue

[woven plaza]

so for Halo: Infinite, I realized something

https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/community/CANON_FODDER_Franchise/cf-tovarusconcept-960eb82ecf9a47509c35a93a3ed87446.jpg https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/community/CANON_FODDER_Franchise/cf-hyperiusconcept-3abec560076f42fe90a58cb656878089.jpg

I guess Pavium and Voridus are too busy on the Ark to be a pair of brute brothers with different designs/personalities

[humble yacht]

Yes

Tho voridus might be dead after his most recent failure

[craggy sierra]

Halo 4's got ya covered

[brazen grail]

Would be interesting if Hyperius and Tovarus are indeed the Hand of Atriox equivalent of a Voridus and Pavium kind of duality

[versed helm]

Did the Covenant have just one universal language they used to speak to each other or did they learn every single species language?

[humble yacht]

Sangheili may have been the main language

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

Ah

Thanks

[humble yacht]

I bet that pissed off the brutes

Having to learn Dino

[obsidian thistle]

There was numerous languages and dialects however. But a version of Sangheili was the primary one

343i have in the past made it that at least Sangheilios was diverse. If that didnt lead to numerous languages. I'd be very surprised

Some also learnt English

[brazen grail]

There's quite a bit of stuff on Sangheili. I'm hoping that they give us some more info on the Jiralhanae though in the future. There's not very much there.

[obsidian thistle]

Oh we have "seen" the Brute language before

[versed helm]

(grunt)
Best quote by a brute

[brazen grail]

Well I'm just referring to in general. There's not much history in comparison

[obsidian thistle]

The story "Hunting Party" in Tales from Slipspace has Brutes speak Brute

(Cant translate it however)

Its random symbols.

I asked lol

[brazen grail]

Those symbols are very similar to ones we see from the Covenant actually

They're even decals in Halo 5 forge

But yeah. There's very little in terms of Jiralhanae lore, especially in comparison to Sangheili. To be fair, the Sangheili have been more of a focus than Jiralhanae in the past, but that's changing with Halo Infinite.

[gilded mason]

We need a kiggie protagonist, really.

[brazen grail]

Would be cool to see one as a boss of sorts

[humble yacht]

Speaking brute is easy

Just punch someone

[brazen grail]

Correct answer

[versed helm]

Big monkey eat little monkey, don't be little monkey

[limpid meadow]

If I recall correctly, I could swear it was said that the Covenant spoke a Sangheili dialect, implying that the language they spoke had some differences from main-line Sangheili. Don't quote me on that though, as I couldn't tell you where I got that.

[brazen grail]

The Brutes take great pleasure in punting grunts into the void

And speaking of Brutes, Pavium's name doesn't really fit his character, or should I say, the suffix doesn't

[limpid meadow]

That's the case for several Brute names.

[versed helm]

I think it's neat

[limpid meadow]

The "-us" suffix and its use remain unclear in how universe it is.

Maybe the new encyclopedia can clear that up.

[brazen grail]

The "um" in his name is recorded for personnel affiliated with the Rh'tol skein, and Pavium doesn't have the traditional and primitive attitude like Tartarus or Jovus does. He's intellectual and adaptive, befitting more for Vheiloth

[scarlet hinge]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/factions/covenant

The official language of the Covenant is an advanced dialect of Sangheili. It is spoken by all species within the Covenant and for many has replaced their native language after the events of the war. The architecture of the Covenant, though some loose connections with the Sangheili, was predominantly San’Shyuum in nature and design. Even the military vehicles were based almost entirely on San’Shyuum structural aesthetics early on, informing much of the Sangheili’s designs in the years to follow.

[limpid meadow]

There we go!

[gilded mason]

Yup, thank ya

[versed helm]

I want to learn sanheili

Is it on duolingo

[brazen grail]

I'll help ya. Wort Wort Wort

[versed helm]

Will be in 550 years

Wort wort wort

I’m getting the hang on this

[limpid meadow]

blarg!

[brazen grail]

There you go! Now just say that and start screaming random blurbs

[gilded mason]

Wohrby

[dawn knot]

Yug yug yug

[vital hinge]

hi

[minor sky]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but 343's stance on what is and isn't canon is along the lines of "canon until proven otherwise", yes? no? maybe?

[humble yacht]

No

Wouldn’t say that

[terse lava]

More so "all is sweetness/canon"

[violet notch]

Halo's canon is pretty strict. If it ain't from a licensed source, it ain't canon. Pretty much full stop.

The only exception maaaybe are any retcons. They're very loosely canon, but they've been retconned via excuses and reasonings that undo their original meaning into the retconned meanings.

[humble yacht]

There aren’t many instances of straight up retcons. But 343’s stance on canon is basically that all canon is created equal. There’s no hierarchy like with Bungie

Books, games, tv, etc, all canon

[violet notch]

Personally I prefer tiered canons.

[craggy sierra]

That was what we had in the Bungie days and it was not great

[violet notch]

On the contrary. It meant that I could safely dismiss the tomfoolery in the novels.

Again though, it's just my preference.

I prefer the purity of the original sources.

[versed helm]

Halo is based off a book tho

[craggy sierra]

The issue is most of Halo's tomfoolery is in the games

CE wanted chief to be a robot and Reach had the unbelievably stupid hyper lethal thing

[versed helm]

I prefer him being a guy

[violet notch]

the novel's origin story of the Flood is stupid

[versed helm]

Inatead of robot

[violet notch]

and you can't change my mind about that

[craggy sierra]

I mean who cares about that now anyways

[humble yacht]

What, the flood being precursors?

[craggy sierra]

That was like a decade ago and we beat the flood last time they appeared. The universe has pretty much moved on now outside of when it wants to pull some cheap nostalgia bait out of its rear end.

[violet notch]

no

[humble yacht]

I still care about that, it ruined flood for me

[violet notch]

the Flood being "oopsie, I fed my doggo some nono food"

They went from being a cosmic Eldrich horror, to nothing more than a poisoned pet.

Stupid

[versed helm]

Until you realize they are actually the remants of an ancient race called the Precursors which use the coolest tech ever called star roads and created humans and forerunners

[humble yacht]

The cosmic eldritch horror and the pet thing came out in the same book

[craggy sierra]

I mean like I said I can't be bothered to care anyways since there's not much to do with them after Halo 3 regardless.

[violet notch]

They were pretty much a cosmic Eldrich horror from about day 1 in CE

[humble yacht]

Before Greg bear, the flood was just a misunderstood organism trying to grab some lunch

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[violet notch]

bah, again, I was just replying

[humble yacht]

Again, rules

[violet notch]

I know I know

[craggy sierra]

Gravemind was definitely eldrichy

[violet notch]

I just don't think of it when replying

[humble yacht]

Not all tentacles are eldritch

Looked more like Little Shop Of Horrors to me

[craggy sierra]

No but speaking through with the unknowable knowledge of the cosmos and trancending time kinda are.

[versed helm]

Hahahahahaha. No they aren't in Halo CE. They were basically a scarier version of headcrabs. Halo 2 is when the real crazy like stuff happens

[violet notch]

They were made out to be the one thing the Halo was built to destroy in a desperate last ditch effort.

Give them some credit where credit is due

[craggy sierra]

Honestly I think they were less scary than head crabs. HL1 can and will jump scare you with those things in vents

[versed helm]

Headcrabs are more annoying than scary

[humble yacht]

Eldritch horrors have a psychological aspect to them

[versed helm]

It's the zombies that are scary

And Half-Life 1 hardly uses the zombie enemy

[craggy sierra]

Like say communicating telepathically?

[humble yacht]

Cthulhu isn’t just scary cause it’s a giant monster, it also drives you insane if you look at it

[gaunt oak]

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[craggy sierra]

And commanding millions of troops via a hivemind consciousness?

[humble yacht]

I don’t mean psychological as in it can talk

Or that it’s got psychic powers

[violet notch]

Dude, you really need to stop taking it so seriously when it's mid-conversation.
If he or I pinged you randomly in another channel, then that's another story.
If we pinged the whole modlist with the role, then that's also another story.
But this is a little pedantic IMO.
Chill.

[humble yacht]

Or you know, just take the reminder in stride and don’t do it again

[craggy sierra]

Didn't it make a bunch of forerunners kill themselves? That seems pretty lovecraftian.

[humble yacht]

The rules aren’t changing just because you don’t like it

[violet notch]

That's not what I said.

[humble yacht]

That was post Bungie

Sure, in the forerunner trilogy they’re very eldritch

[violet notch]

I didn't say I didn't like it or that it needs to change. I'm only saying that I think you're over-applying it.

[versed helm]

Pings are meant to alert mods to bullying and trolling. It's just a button click to turn off the ping and Dread has never been upset about it

[violet notch]

But I'll stop now. I've already said my peice.

[humble yacht]

Rules apply to everyone equally at all times

Just follow them

You’re the only one getting upset at getting a simple reminder to turn off pings

[violet notch]

I'm not upset.

[humble yacht]

Though since you have been reminded before, eventually you’ll run out of freebies

[violet notch]

Okay, now I feel like that was a threat. And is undeserved. Seriously. Chill. I'm not upset. I'm not complaining about that rule in general. I'm just saying, relax.

[versed helm]

Bruh

[humble yacht]

Giving you a reminder isn’t being unrelated

Just turn off pings when replying in the future. Simple

[violet notch]

I will. But if it happens to slip my mind in the heat of a fast-typed conversation. Do not mistake it for some malicious intent. Please?

[humble yacht]

If it skips your mind you’ll get a reminder. Don’t complain about reminders, because that makes you seem to have malicious intent

Literally the only reason we’re even on this topic, lol

Anyways, I prefer pre-Greg bear flood

[versed helm]

I prefer pre-flood halo ce

[humble yacht]

I don’t get it

[violet notch]

He's saying he prefers just fighting the Covvies (I think)

So basically, Reach

[humble yacht]

Smart if true

Flood suck

[versed helm]

She* Me a girl

[green vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-mcc-master-chief-spartan-hop-gif-20187968

its canon

[versed helm]

Does anyone have that drawing of the Keyes Loop they can send me? Halopedia isn't loading for me

[obsidian thistle]

Here ya go @versed helm. No idea why the wiki wasnae loading for ya. Data didnt show any slowdown.
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/b/be/Keyes_Loop.jpeg

[versed helm]

My Internet was being slow but I fixed it

I miss the naval combat of the older Halo novels

[fair hazel]

I want more naval combat in halo books

[fathom valley]

It’s good stuff, the shirt story about Preston Cole has some great moments for naval combat

[versed helm]

The naval combat stuff went over my head

Couldn’t get past how Eric nylund saying straight lines were arcs

[humble yacht]

depends on perspective

[woven plaza]

It's not the ship that's arcing, it's your m i n d 🤯

[wispy wasp]

The keyes loops was so cool to read, especially because of how the book previously setup the unscs disadvantages in naval combat

[versed helm]

Even with the visual notes I find it hard to follow 🙁

I’ll never achieve my dream of being a unsc naval tactician

[violet notch]

Here's the Tl;Dr;

Two Frigates shot at Keyes.
Keyes dropped a nuke behind him as he rushed around the shots.
In the rush, Keyes ran by the Frigates and rammed the Cruiser.
The Frigate shots, chasing Keyes, hit the Cruiser.
Keyes shot backwards to finish the Cruiser off.
Keyes Tokyo-Drifted around the star.
The nuke he dropped went off and crippled the two Frigates.
Coming around the star, Keyes shot back at the Frigates, finishing them off.
The Carrier had long since bugged out.

[versed helm]

Ok that makes sense and is pretty badass

[upbeat finch]

I apologize if this isn't lore, but how exactly does plasma work?

[humble yacht]

Irl or in halo?

[gilded mason]

In Halo...this is basically what we know about it:
https://www.halopedia.org/Plasma

Frank O'Connor has said that the plasma the Covenant uses isn't like the real life plasma, as well

Frank O'Connor, during his tenure as Bungie's head of public relations, stated that the plasma used by the Covenant is not plasma as current science knows it, but something "far more dangerous, arcane, and destructive."

[viscid trout]

....huh...thats uh...thats a thing that was said

[versed helm]

So I bought another copy of Halo Reach a few days ago and I finished the campaign again, and ngl, it was okay but it felt depressing

Especially the New Alexandria mission

Thoughts?

[wise estuary]

Its supposed to be depressing, so it accomplished what it set out to do

[versed helm]

Yep

Since I think by the time of that mission, it was basically hopeless to save Reach

I wonder who that Elite Field Marshall was though

[wise estuary]

the one that shoots Kat? I like to think that hes one of the 3 you fight at the end of The Pillar of Autumn, but probably not

[versed helm]

Still would've loved to see a campaign DLC in which you go through the Fall of Reach from John's POV, essentially a video game adaptation of the Fall of Reach book

[wise estuary]

I mean Reach was basically made as a middle finger to the book so that would've never happened lol

[versed helm]

True, at least we get to see Chief in cryo

I like the book more anyways

Imagine being a civilian during the Siege of New Alexandria, trying to get onto an evac transport

[wise estuary]

you probably just die

[versed helm]

Or end up getting on one of those evac transports but it gets shot down like 6 Echo 2

I also wonder whatever became of Sergeant Major Duvall

Actually never mind, he most likely died at some point during the Fall of Reach

[limpid meadow]

Maybe the encyclopedia can finally address this. I feel like both 343 and Bungie have ignored that idea, but who knows?

[gilded mason]

That'd be cool.

Man, that thing can't come soon enough.

[spiral jewel]

Was watching I00's latest video, and got to thinking, what exactly happened to S-095
https://www.halopedia.org/Caleb_Aagard?

What's their current whereabouts?

How are they faring in the Created era, assuming that they weren't slain by the Covvies?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If halopedia doesn’t have info in them during the current events, it means no one has written about them

[unique rune]

I can't imagine there's really much to say about him either, considering he lived on an Inner Colony that isn't known to have suffered from a Covenant attack.
So life's probably just proceeding as normal for him.

[limpid meadow]

It would be fun to see Caleb in a future story, I won't lie.

What if he ended up joining the UNSC and became a Spartan-IV? That would be an interesting twist of fate!

[main rivet]

I'd totally forgot about it until it got brought up on our last podcast episode, but the precognition bit about Caleb is interesting, especially when combined with Kurt's "vibes", and I wonder if Nylund was trying to go somewhere with those breadcrumbs.

[unique rune]

Spartans can see faster /s

[versed helm]

Plasma exists?

[gilded mason]

In real life? Yeah.

[versed helm]

How is it used?

[gilded mason]

Don't know much about that, myself. So here ya go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

[versed helm]

Oh, so it's basically electrical energy????

[craggy sierra]

TVs used it for a while

Honestly kind of a shame plasma panels died

They had zero input latency unlike LCD panels

[gilded mason]

The only plasma TV I ever saw was one that was hard to see unless you looked at it straight on. Was that typical with them?

[craggy sierra]

Not really. My parents still have one and it's fine. I spent hours gaming on that thing sitting like 60⁰ off to the side of it

[gilded mason]

Ah, righteo

[craggy sierra]

Their color depth is kinda limited tho. Also they're heavy af.

So it's not a surprise other panels took over but like...I could feel the input delay on some LCD panels by comparison. Anything I had on Wii became nigh unplayable after moving to a new TV.

[red kite]

How did the UNSC beat the flood

Like how

[gilded mason]

They kinda didn't, really

[red kite]

What do you think about the Delta Halo Gravemind theories

[gilded mason]

CE: John blew up the location an outbreak was at
H3: John and Thel blew up another local infestation.

[red kite]

Exactly

[gilded mason]

Theories?

[red kite]

The theories that he’s still active on Delta Halo, beneath the quarantine zone.

[gilded mason]

Ah

Depends on how thorough the Elites were when they glassed the ring

I imagine Thel told them about the location

[red kite]

Perhaps

I’m excited to see if we get any proto-graveminds or even graveminds on Zeta halo

Of course, if we do get flood, it’ll be toned down quite a bit.

[gilded mason]

I imagine we might see Flood specimens contained in labs, but I doubt there'll be anything more than that

[red kite]

With the T rating

[red kite]

Yeah

It’s a bit sad to me that the best chance we’ve ever had for flood in 343 is probably just gonna be a cameo

[terse lava]

At this point, would feel out of place sadly having them. We already have a mishmash of a story going in, and lore saying the flood is shockingly contained well, seeing as it was all gone on the surface by the modern era

[spiral jewel]

I wish we could get names to all those nameless Spartan 2s that , aside from Service numbers... there's no information on. Like S-001 through S-004, S-007, S-116, S-118 for example

[minor sky]

Reading through Escalation and I gotta say

||DeMarco got a pretty good death||

[minor sky]

Find it hard to believe that all the Skirmishers died after Reach

[versed helm]

Are they the same species as jackals or

[rich mulch]

yep same species

[tacit charm]

not all of them died there are still some left during post war era

[rotund lintel]

How likely is it that a Spartan-II was assigned to Spartan-III Gauntlet, Red and Echo teams? Similar to Jorge's assignment to Noble team.

[tacit charm]

kurt did it in ghost of onyx

[craggy sierra]

I'd say that's a good thing since we've seen all the story we have to offer. As for Delta Halo the elites glassed the hell out of the entire ring and probably returned after the war to glass it some more.

[limpid meadow]

They didn't. There are plenty of Skirmishers around after the war, with no hint at any sort of mass-dying. The idea that all the Skirmishers died during the fall of Reach was reported by a new outlet or two back in the day, supposedly reported to them by a Bungie employee. However, if that was ever canon, 343 seem to have ignored it.

[brazen grail]

There are Skirmishers in the Banished. They were on Reach in the Shadows of Reach book

[viscid trout]

Alright! Glad to see them getting some love at least! Think I can say 343 did a good thing there.

Always did like the skirmishers. Hopefully we see a few in infinite as well. That would be cool

[main rivet]

Yeah the idea the Skirmishers died out in Reach is basically press misinformation.

Same with how we ended up with Storm Covenant for a while.

[carmine sleet]

I have a feeling we won't see Skirmishers in Infinite, as much as I'd like to see them back

At least not in the base campaign anyhow

[main rivet]

I don't really think they offer much, to be honest. They're more mobile jackals... so you could just make more mobile jackals?

[carmine sleet]

Which is basically the Jackal Ranger

[main rivet]

Yeah. Gameplay-wise, they don't occupy a very distinct niche.

[carmine sleet]

Like, I think if they were to bring back Skirmishers, they'd need to act as some sort of inbetween between the Jackals and the Elites gameplay-wise

[main rivet]

Lore-wise, the only interesting bit we've gotten with them is Chol Von and we haven't heard from her in years.

(And if I'm not mistaken, I dont know if they even really confirm she survives the end of Mortal Dictata either. Her story just gets dropped.)

[carmine sleet]

She's alive, we just don't know what she's up to now

[brazen grail]

Well there was that interesting bit about Sig Raan as well

[craggy sierra]

You not a Nor Fel person?

[versed helm]

So we know that the prophets planned to invade Earth to get to the ark in Halo 2 but of course Truth went too early and got ambushed. Is there any specific reason he went to Delta Halo?

Also what is the significance of Standby mode for the Halos? I thought you could already remote fire the rings from the Ark if I’m not mistaken

[humble yacht]

Regret went too early

[versed helm]

Surely there won't be many humans on Earth right?

10 billion people

u h o h

I still wonder how the UNSC was able to evacuate billions of people while the planet was under siege

[gilded mason]

It wouldn't be physically possible, so I really just wish 343 either retconned the Bestiarum numbers, or actually followed through with Earth being just completely decimated.