lore-and-universe

[viscid salmon]

Actually it's pretty much how the M90 works. Top feeding from dual tubular magazines.

DTM series is chambered for 20 and 10 gauge

And one did not have a pistol grip

[pine sage]

see? they could capitalize on some of the nerd market

i'd LOVE an M90 shotgun in 12 gauge

hell, if it were real i'd have it as my first shotgun

[viscid salmon]

I'll have to make a sketch of it.

[versed helm]

is there any media that takes place between 3 and 4?

[viscid salmon]

I think Glasslands has a part that takes place at the Voi Memorial.

[unique rune]

There’s… quite a bit of material that fits in between 3 and 4 chronologically.

[versed helm]

oh okay

didnt know there was that much

[fair hazel]

yeah there is, several stories, especially a number that take place right before, close to, or during the created uprising

the guardians

[rough parcel]

Chakas suks, change my mind

[craggy sierra]

Nah it's okay to be wrong

[rough parcel]

that doenst change my mind at all

[foggy forge]

Y tho

[rough parcel]

hes a cool guy in the forunner saga, then he become a huge donkey after he becomes a monitor

[naive dust]

Hey guys, could anyone explain to me what last happened with cortana in Halo 5? And who the new AI is is The trailer?

[pine sage]

New ai was made to contain cortana pending deletion

[craggy sierra]

He stops being a donkey in Renegades

[foggy forge]

He did kill sgt johnson true

[dusty prawn]

Japan is in East Asia

[hollow sentinel]

https://youtu.be/9P2Tv8RC-V4
is this actually mendicant bias or is it the primordial?

i wouldnt expect an AI to sound like that, i know its like a hidden message but

[gilded mason]

Seems more like MB

[versed helm]

Are odsts still active?

Or are they all S4s now?

[humble yacht]

Yes.
No.

[versed helm]

Ok

Thank you

[wispy wasp]

How well do the unsc guns in halo stack against real life guns?

[dawn knot]

Most halo guns suffer from poor design, but that's ok because it's just a game

[wispy wasp]

How so?

[dawn knot]

Easiest thing to talk about the the rocket launcher

At least the h5 version is more practical

You loose a lot of material each reload + only 2 rockets for all that space

[wispy wasp]

Wait, you throw out the entire tube?

[unique rune]

Pretty much

[wispy wasp]

That just doesn't make any sense

[unique rune]

Eh, I used to think it was silly but I don't think it's that much of a stretch considering we have real weapons like the AT4 where the entire thing is supposed to be disposed after a single firing.

[wispy wasp]

Maybe i just have very little gun knowledge then, lmao

[craggy sierra]

Also most of the Halo guns just don't have sights on them. That's not super great.

[pine sage]

aside from the MA5 series, which ones don't have sights? i'm talking exclusively UNSC weapons here

[craggy sierra]

Every single one of their pistols

The only non-semi or non-burst weapon to have proper sights was the shotgun...a weapon that is designed to be inaccurate.

[pine sage]

well game mechanics don't take into account the actual ballistics of a shotgun.

and we ARE talking 8 gauge buckshot

[craggy sierra]

It's just weird. A gun designed to not require high precision irl was one of the few guns to get proper sights in Halo

[pine sage]

well, M6 series do have sights. Well, M6C which is the halo 2 variant.

[main rivet]

Given the smart-link capability of the weapons I'm not sure sights are really that important.

[rough parcel]

most of the UNSC guns link up with helmet feeds via neural links giving them cross hairs,sights,ect

[dawn knot]

What about the people who don't have helmets?

Marines don't have chips

[versed helm]

So where does the UNSC get the titanium needed to build new ships after the war since Reach was glassed?

They probably have other colonies that they can obtain titanium from

That and maybe they recycle old ships and scavenge wrecks

Didn't ONI try to reverse engineer the hull plating of Covenant spacecraft but they failed?

[balmy fern]

I know nothing of Halo lore. Teach me, prophets.

[versed helm]

It all starts with ancient humanity, traveling the stars

[balmy fern]

👀

diedact right?

[versed helm]

Ur-Didact to be precise

[fair hazel]

Space has soooo many planets

There's bound to be resources in a loooot of places

[craggy sierra]

Idk, that'd putting a lot of faith in both software and hardware to not break.

If anything happens then you're basically just left with a gun you can't aim.

[foggy forge]

Couldnt that also happen to the ammo counter on AR's? Like if it got damaged the number wouldnt show up.

[topaz spade]

Just got done reading fall of reach again, I read it 13 years ago

Great book

[main rivet]

True, but frankly given the concession to gameplay that exists to justify humanity in 500 year still having bullet-firing guns, I think "well they're still ballistic weapons but they've got amazing and reliable electronics" is reasonable.

Not like we're regularly hearing about malfunctions or issues with that.

[craggy sierra]

Well that's the dumb thing. Guns don't need ammo counters but they do need a way to aim them. Halo's weapon design forgoes any amount of practicality to create a larger area for failure that probably can't be solved with normal field maintenance.

[craggy sierra]

All of those electronics and HUD displays are tied to the helmet normal troops wear...which can be damaged.

[foggy forge]

I think halo guns didnt have aiming capabilities for balance, you use guns like the smg and ar for closer combat and you used guns like the dmr or BR for longer distances

[craggy sierra]

Get a piece of shrapnel into that DBZ scanner from Halo CE and I guess you just can't use guns now

[foggy forge]

In game i mean

[pine sage]

Well out of those, the BR55 is one of the better designed UNSC rifles along with the DMR

[topaz spade]

actually the only weapon in the unsc arsenal that is realistically practical is the dmr

[bleak summit]

I had a thought this morning. As Infinite's MP is "in canon", and if the Infinity is out of commission, how will they explain the varying locations, killing & respawning, etc. that Arena offers? In 4 & 5 the War Games were explained as being a simulation aboard the Infinity.

[craggy sierra]

I keep saying it but the BR is literally just a FAMAS

[pine sage]

With an ammo counter

[topaz spade]

the br is chambered in ammo that most closely represents the russian 9x39 ammo which designed around being perfect for close range sub sonic weapons

which is very very very impractical to be shot out of a mid range weapon platform

makes almost no sense actually because the bullet travels very slow

[pine sage]

And what about the M6C pistol? That one has sights that can be used

[topaz spade]

it's chambered in a round bigger than what desert eagles shoot

lol not something fun to shoot

also doesn't help that it's the size of an smg

huge for a pistol

[pine sage]

The rest of the M6 series are meant to shoot with both eyes open. They do have a notch at the rear of the protrusion where the front sight would normally be so that you can line it up

The protrusion just houses the camera for sighting with the HUD from the look of it

[main rivet]

Well we've got the new training grounds stuff which presumably isn't on Infinity, hence there's some other location they could be doing war games stuff.

[bleak summit]

I agree. The Academy makes perfect sense to me. But is there a simulation facility there that they were able to build amidst the Cortana/Guardian threat?

B/c we've seen that there are other locations in MP we'll be going to

[viscid trout]

There probabky is a Sim for the academy. They are all the way out in the frontier after all. Wouldn't make sense for them to waste fuel and risk tense lives going back and forth like that.

[main rivet]

If they stuck it on some formerly uncharted area AIs don't necessarily know about, in some ways it'd be safer than Infinity (which, while mobile, is also likely a priority target for Cortana.)

But we don't really know what the wider state of humanity is at this point.

Dunno how you even necessarily recruit people in the current status quo, let alone operate your fleet logistically.

[viscid trout]

A bit ospf smuggling, a bjt of espionage, and probabky a whole lot of luck.

And prowlers. Lots of prowlers as well. And of course little bits of resistance here and there that do add up in the long run.

[unique rune]

But is there a simulation facility there that they were able to build amidst the Cortana/Guardian threat?
Well, to my knowledge there’s nothing that we have that says AJJ couldn’t have been constructed and operating prior to the Created uprising.

[viscid trout]

Thst as well. Heck for a we know, that was built sometime before chief even woke up! It did look like it had some age to it, given the weathered paint on it.

[versed helm]

What about carrying on Research & Development during this whole Created fiasco, I imagine that it still goes on onboard the Infinity

[versed helm]

Also, was Mamore ever attacked by the Covenant during the war?

[lone saddle]

i walk into the halo universe's discussion room and instantly see you, one of the major characters in my 2nd favorite universe

[versed helm]

I forgot what was the lifespan of dumb AI Ik that smart AI have a seven year lifespan

[gilded mason]

Dumb AI have no capped lifespan

[humble yacht]

Yea since dumb AI don’t think like smart AI, they can theoretically last forever

[finite laurel]

343 kinda messed up the time line since cortana is made of halseys tissues she goes through rampancy in about 8 years and cortana was first put into duty in 2549 but is alive until halo infinite which taked place in 2560 meaning cortana is 11 years old and past her age rate

[gilded mason]

Did you forget about the entire plot of Halo 5, or

[finite laurel]

Ehhh

Last time i played ho 5 campaign was 2019

[versed helm]

Cortana "dies" in Halo 4

Well her good parts died

[gilded mason]

The main plot that they tell you is that being in the Domain prevents rampancy from worsening.

[finite laurel]

Ohhhhh

I forgot about that

[gilded mason]

She talks about it almost every time she's onscreen

[finite laurel]

But i have one question

[versed helm]

The domain, chief, think

[finite laurel]

Since she has control of a halo ring does she have the guts to fire it and kill cheif?

We see that in halo 5s legendary ending

[gilded mason]

Why would she?

[finite laurel]

Exactly

Meaning the unsc are being scared for no reason?

[gilded mason]

?

She still has Guardians and Prometheans

[unique rune]

I mean, there's more reason to be a bit scared by the Created uprising than the Halo rings thing.

[gilded mason]

And all the other Smart AI

[versed helm]

She has giant system policing robots
No one should be scared

[unique rune]

What with the giant metal robot bird things capable of disabling pretty much any tech they have

[finite laurel]

But the unsc has handled worse in my opinion sich as the flodd

*flood

[gilded mason]

Not really

The UNSC barely ever handled the Flood

And it was always a small infection to prune

[finite laurel]

Without the elites help they couldnt

[unique rune]

Their encounters with the Flood usually ended in "oh crap the only solution is to blow up the entire facility".

[versed helm]

Boom

[gilded mason]

And it was usually the Elites who did that, anyway.

[versed helm]

Glassin'

[finite laurel]

But you cant realy kill the Prometheans because there files will be reconstructed into a new body

[humble yacht]

Not necessarily

[finite laurel]

So you are right of the unsc being scared of cortana

[humble yacht]

When you destroy the Knight, it’s data is left behind and eventually dissipates

[finite laurel]

Huh

[humble yacht]

Unless a watcher revives it

[finite laurel]

I never knew that

Also a queston about rtas 'vadum (shipmaster)

Is he the only elite to hold the position of spec ops commander

So far?

[humble yacht]

I’m sure there have been others before him

[finite laurel]

True

[gilded mason]

It would be strange if he was

[humble yacht]

Multiple fleets probably had spec ops teams

[finite laurel]

Another qurstion how did he lose his 2 left mandibles

[humble yacht]

A flood infected elite cut them off

[finite laurel]

Dang

Hes a cool character

[versed helm]

When did we last see him?

[finite laurel]

Halo 3

[humble yacht]

He’s been in a book since halo 3

[finite laurel]

Realy which one?

[humble yacht]

Shadow of intent

[finite laurel]

So are grunts immune from being infected by the flood since they dont breathe oxygen?

But they have a nervouse system

[humble yacht]

No

[versed helm]

Pretty sure they can be

[humble yacht]

Grunts get infected like everything else

[finite laurel]

I feel they would be used for carrier forms since the are very fragile and weak

Same with kig yar

[olive edge]

Talking about grunts.....I have a question: are they really "meanacing" in cannon?

Menacing*

[versed helm]

Can be

[finite laurel]

They are TERRIFYING without their masks

[humble yacht]

To a standard human, they’re tough

To a Spartan, they’re not scary. Their guns are scary

[finite laurel]

There the same size as me

5 feet tall

[olive edge]

I've seen them....

[versed helm]

Halo heights are so surreal

[olive edge]

To a human they're almost same height right?

[humble yacht]

I can’t remember they’re average height

[finite laurel]

Their like 5'2

[olive edge]

This guy practically said it and I was asking ._.

[finite laurel]

So how many NAMED arbiters have there been i know 3 ripa moramee fal chavamee and thel vadam

[gilded mason]

That's it

[finite laurel]

????

Realy

[versed helm]

Bruhh

[finite laurel]

There is like 19 of them isnt there

[gilded mason]

I'm saying none of the others have been given a name by writers.

[finite laurel]

Oh i see

[humble yacht]

There have been many arbiters over thousands of years but most are nameless

[finite laurel]

Also what was that elites name with a scar his eye from spartan ops

[gilded mason]

Gek 'Lahar

[versed helm]

Gek

[humble yacht]

Gek. Lol

Dumb name

[finite laurel]

Lol

Very dumb name

[versed helm]

Did he ever wear a helmet?

[humble yacht]

Not in the game

[finite laurel]

Hear me out tho

[terse lava]

There are odder Sangheili names then "gek." Though I find it funny his name is just one letter away from "gekz" the currency of the Covenant

[finite laurel]

343 jackals look dope

[gilded mason]

Yes

[terse lava]

I disagree

[gilded mason]

I'll forgive you one day.

[finite laurel]

Lil raptors

[terse lava]

I like my alien birds

[finite laurel]

The vultures

[terse lava]

If I wanted alien dinos, I'd play Nanosaur(old PC game)

[finite laurel]

The classic design will never get old

Also what happened to the skermishers

[terse lava]

They are around

[finite laurel]

In the covenant?

[terse lava]

Of course

Even after it fell apart, they are still doing Kig-Yar things

[finite laurel]

Why arent they used for combat anymore

[gilded mason]

They are

[terse lava]

They are

[finite laurel]

Realy?

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[terse lava]

Of course

[finite laurel]

Why dont they appear that much then?

[gilded mason]

Because game devs don't want to

[terse lava]

Studio choice

[finite laurel]

I like thier design

[terse lava]

Same reason no Jiralhanae in h4

[finite laurel]

But there was one in a cutscene

A chieftain

[gilded mason]

A non-ingame model

[terse lava]

Yeah, not in campaign though

[versed helm]

Halo 3 trailer reference

[terse lava]

No, I doubt that. Just likely there for the "epic moment" style of it

[finite laurel]

Also was prophets bane made with the same energy sword that silenced truth?

[gilded mason]

Apparently

[versed helm]

Yes

[finite laurel]

Thats cool

But how do they make it that beautiful gold color?

[versed helm]

Science

[finite laurel]

Like a lightsaber?

They use a crystal that determines its color?

[terse lava]

No

[finite laurel]

Oh

Like if they used a needler shard the blades would be purple?

[terse lava]

They are powered by power cells in thr handle, and a magnetic field to shape the plasma into the blade

They actually do that yes

[finite laurel]

I know that

[terse lava]

We now have a sword with needler needles embedded in it

[versed helm]

Acupuncture

[finite laurel]

How did the make bloodblade then?

[terse lava]

Different power cell settings

[finite laurel]

Interesting

[terse lava]

Same with the others.

[finite laurel]

Imma get off peace be with you spartans

[versed helm]

See you

[terse lava]

Wort

[hollow sentinel]

guys whats the single largest forerunner or precursor structure?

is it onyx?

[gilded mason]

Onyx seems like it could be the largest Forerunner structure, yes

[hollow sentinel]

alrighty

[finite laurel]

Hello im back

[alpine nova]

I have a question regarding Shadows of Reach. Would this go into the #485883236430512168, or are the events in the book common knowledge now?

[gilded mason]

It's fine to talk about here, as more than one month has passed since its release

[alpine nova]

Fantastic!
I have some confusion regarding Sword Base & Castle Base:
Both attain similar attributes and descriptions which have caused me to confuse the two.

• Halsey's lab in Halo Reach is 2,000 feet underground, while Halsey's lab in Castle Base is 2,000 meters underground.
• Both bases have a large forerunner artifact nearby.

I understand there can be changes in lore sometimes. So are the underground facilities beneath Sword Base and the Highland Mountains canonically the same, or are they entirely separate?

[fair hazel]

They’re different

[carmine sleet]

The facility under Castle Base is for a large Forerunner portal that leads to the Ark, not too dissimilar to the portal seen in Halo 3

Sword Base is built above a crashed Forerunner ship filled with ancient data

[versed helm]

Does the Arbiter speak English?

[pine sage]

yes.

over the course of the war some sangheili actually learned the language. though the 4 mandables make speaking it troublesome if the novelized events of the first game are anything to go by

[carmine sleet]

They also can't say the name Phillips properly because they can't properly make the P sound

[versed helm]

Cool thanks

[pine sage]

On the flipside humans can learn sangheili dialects but due to the lack of the 4 mandibles sound like children just learning to speak.

[balmy fern]

👀

[foggy forge]

Lmao

[pulsar pivot]

So neither will be truly Fluent

[pine sage]

No they're fluent they just SOUND like they're just learning because neither will ever truly have any real ease of speaking the language of the other due to physiological differences

[main rivet]

I mean it's arguable you're not truly fluent if someone can always mark you sight-unseen as non-native.

[versed helm]

In the beginning of Guilty Spark, John's motion tracker detects Flood forms as friendly units. Would the suit normally register them as enemies or did John have to manually change it?

[pine sage]

The flood forms he was picking up had Marine IFFs

Cortana likely changed it

[main rivet]

Cortana wasn't around to change it.

[versed helm]

Cortana remained in the Control Room.

[pine sage]

True. He must have or the tech detects when the person who has it attacks other friendlies

[main rivet]

The Flood forms are also Covenant-based, so "they were just marine IFFs" doesn't hold either."

Really it's hard to explain any of the opening part of the mission logically though when it's there for mood for the player.

[versed helm]

To be fair, I think those units were former Marines.

[main rivet]

If the Flood were already escaped and out why would he only meet them in the bowels of the installation.

[pine sage]

They'd only just woken up and needed to feed and reproduce. The ones that were already out were probably from newer infection forms while the older ones stayed behind

[alpine nova]

Thanks for clearing that up for me 👍

[gentle violet]

Hello, I was recently reading Halo Silentium for the second time

In the end, when the UR-Didact composes the humanity that was in the Halo ring in the installation 00-A, according to what I read it is also implied that the didact composed the last civilian forerruner along with the last Warrior-Servants to make them prometheans

am I wrong?

[main rivet]

I don't recall him composing any Forerunners against their will.

[torpid lily]

How was chief able to stab his knife into the lich then hang onto the knife at the final cutscene in “shutdown”

[honest trout]

He is VERY strong

[torpid lily]

But is the knife that strong 😳

Pretty expressive holding a 1 ton robot with just a handle lol

***Impressive

[honest trout]

UNSC would give their supersoldiers good equipment I would think

Wouldn’t want them to die because the handle came off of the knife right

[main rivet]

Also just don't think about it too hard.

Otherwise you'll realize that Chief would have crushed Johnson's arm and pulled him down when he was trying to get up at the beginning of Halo 3.

[ripe sage]

just leavin this here

https://twitter.com/HighbrowHalo/status/1410681102499516417

Highbrow Halo (@HighbrowHalo)

#HighbrowHalo

Staffan Sentzke: Somebody kidnapped my child and replaced her with a clone!

ONI:

Twitter · Jul 1, 2021, 7:25 PM

[gilded mason]

"What a story, Staf."

[grave swift]

Honestly, one of the few redeeming things about those books for me lol

[west rune]

Who has more combat experience the chief or the arbiter?

[gilded mason]

Thel

He's done it for decades longer.

[covert temple]

I’d like to say that I requested the grapple hook forceable implemented. You can ask him. He knows me:)

And it looks freakin sik

[rose verge]

a

[cerulean mauve]

||halo man dies||

[viscid salmon]

100 pages into Shadows of Reach and I'm very impressed with Denning's take on John's character

The dry humor, the occasional break in composure for a quick laugh; seems like his post-3 personality mixed with his usual stoicness.

[stable flower]

What if humans went to the Threshold Gas Mine? I wonder how that would've played out.

[viscid salmon]

Actually, Denning does the teammates very well too - a collection of special forces guys technically all on the same level as one another.

[honest trout]

Yeah denning is one of my favorite halo authors

[edgy vale]

I wanna ask, about Offensive Bias, what did happened to him past the events of the maginot battle, I don't recall anymore info regarding his status

Was he simply discharged and decommissioned a la how the weapon was supposed to be, or did the forerunners just store him somewhere else for future emergency?

[gilded mason]

Don't think it was ever said.

[fair hazel]

I still find it funny how there’s some people who looooove the kill five trilogy. And some who really don’t like it

It’s a very polarizing boom

Well trilogy

[edgy vale]

You mean hating on 4/5?

[carmine sleet]

They're talking about the trilogy of novels, not Halo 4 and 5

[edgy vale]

Ahh my bad.

[raw nest]

General Chat got a bit too wild... How are yall?

[brazen grail]

Good

[raw nest]

Nice to hear.

[brazen grail]

Well this is a lore chat. Whatya want to talk about?

[raw nest]

Anyone think we'll get new lore - such as a new character?

[brazen grail]

Oh for sure

We've seen a couple already, or well, the bad guys like Escharum, Hyperius, Tovarus, and Jega Rdomnai. As for the good guys, not as many name drops yet

[raw nest]

Oh! I've been so behind

Time to do some reading. 4th of july weekend and no one else is at work besides me - yay xD

[brazen grail]

Yeah you've got to look out for those canon fodders they drop on Halowaypoint. They've been giving us some names there, mainly the bad guys

[raw nest]

Nice tip.

Hm - want to tell me anything? Any interesting fact on the new baddies?

[brazen grail]

Well you've asked the right person. Big Banished fan.

[raw nest]

Noice.

[brazen grail]

So all the bad guys we've seen so far, Escharum, Hyperius, Tovarus, and Jega Rdomnai, are all part of the Hand of Atriox which seems to be Atriox's top lieutenants and skilled warriors. Escharum, is Atriox's mentor and the second in command of the Banished, and seems to be the head of the hand, if you will. They've said Jega Rdomnai is loyal to Escharum, so it leads me to believe all the other hands are no exception since he's the second in command. Speaking of Jega, he's the only known Sangheili Hand of Atriox so far, and is the first to be recruited into the hand. His history is blurred in rumors and whispers, and very few Banished personnel even know of him. He seems to be experimented on, has a robotic arm, and may have even been Silent Shadow (not confirmed though) in the past. They say he's hunted Spartans before, and he will do so again. The other two hands are brothers, Hyperius and Tovarus. One seems to be more savage and brutal, having war trophies on his armor from Spartans he's killed or defeated, while Tovarus may be the more intelligent and wise old brother. But we don't know much about Tovarus. What we do know, though, is that those 2 Brutes aren't a big fan of Spartans. And given they're both Hands of Atriox, they can definitely tussle with any Spartan out there, along with all of the hands.

[raw nest]

Holy...

Tovarus is the one to be feared.

A Smart Brute.. is a dangerous brute.

[brazen grail]

Well if Tovarus is anything like Pavium in intellect and ferocity and wisdom, he's going to be incredibly dangerous

[raw nest]

Brb.

[brazen grail]

But all of them need to be watched out for

[scarlet quiver]

Yup, im excited for Tovarus

[unique rune]

Never thought about it before but Infinite's kinda got a bit of a thing going for prostheses, huh.
First 'Rdomnai with his arm, then Spartan customization is getting on it.

[scarlet quiver]

And his bro bro

[brazen grail]

Oh for sure. I'm excited to see what all of them bring to the table

Personally, I'm a big fan of Escharum

We're talking about Atriox's mentor, not just another Decimus

[scarlet quiver]

I am as well, but i totally feel the brother dynamic they put in place with T and P.

Seeing how chief maybe interacting with them first.

[brazen grail]

I wonder if it means we'll fight them twice. Maybe your first encounter is a double boss fight with Hyperius and Tovarus, but they're too strong to be taken on at once. So Chief gets wooped and later in the game, he has to separate them if he wants to kill them. Regardless, killing any single one of these guys just in a 1v1, even for Chief, is going to be incredibly difficult, I feel

[scarlet quiver]

Oooo
That actually sounds solid

Divide and conquer

[brazen grail]

Essentially. It's a necessity when you're talking about the single greatest individual warriors and tacticians in the Banished

But I'm also interested to see what Jega Rdomnai's role is

Personally, I believe that he's going to be the one who is assigned to try and kill him from the shadows. While Hyperius and Tovarus may fight Chief head-on, Jega will be the one to lurk in the shadows and try and catch Chief off-guard. It's a hard thing to do, but if anyone can do it, it's Jega. Even though we don't know much about him, he seems to be probably one of the most skilled Sangheili out there, and given that Jega has the weapons he has, the robotic arm, possibly other enhancements, if Chief is caught off-guard by Jega, that's going to be a tooth and nail fight for him.

[scarlet quiver]

🤔

[raw nest]

Oh - that sounds very good. I hope thats the direction it goes

[brazen grail]

Whatever happens, these boss fights need to be difficult for Chief. All of them

[raw nest]

Yeah, a lot of formidable and even stronger opponents this time around - imo.

[scarlet quiver]

I wonder when they will bring in chiefs age and deteriation, when he cannot keep these fights up

[raw nest]

Yup, I hope so too. I tend to play on heroic and legendary - so, if they're that strong I'll needs help.

@rocky merlin - Yeah, I feel that's going to be in another game. Possibly after this.

[scarlet quiver]

They did bring up that he has been thinking about retirement in the last book

[brazen grail]

They should really do this. We've heard that the Banished is the most ruthless faction Chief has ever faced, and that he's about to go up against his most formidable opponent yet. It's something Chief honestly can't do alone

[raw nest]

Exactly @brazen grail. I feel it's time for a new character introduction to help the life of the game.

I sadly don't ever want HALO to be over.

[brazen grail]

Well I think it's more about showing the struggle more than anything. Chief can't just have a stroll in the park and kill all the Hands of Atriox in the main campaign. That's a bad look

[raw nest]

It's the one game, as I've gotten older, that I still have immense joy to play and watch and read about

and God of War.

[brazen grail]

And it's why I think that some heroes such as some of the other Spartans need to die, showing that this fight is going to be a hard one

[scarlet quiver]

Ah but i love blue team

[raw nest]

Chief definitely needs to be hurt so bad that he retires or dies.

[scarlet quiver]

I cannot think of one i want to die

[brazen grail]

That's the problem though

[scarlet quiver]

Best NOT be another comic book death write off

[brazen grail]

It's a tough subject because Blue Team has been in so much media, but only one game. And they didn't get enough character development in the one game they were in.

So if they kill one, everyone is going to riot even though they've existed for so long

[sand sundial]

They were just in Halo 5 and there roles did not have any significance

[brazen grail]

Because their introduction into the main series was weak

[sand sundial]

They should have just been on missions even chief couldn't do alone

[brazen grail]

It's a tough one like I said because they said they're going for a simpler story. I'm not sure how Blue Team is going to get the narrative development they need while also building up characters like the pilot, and whoever else they introduce to help Chief out

But a DLC where you play as Blue Team would be really helpful to focus on character development

[scarlet quiver]

Oh another spartan iv team i bet

[raw nest]

Oh, that sounds nice.

[sand sundial]

Spartan locks helemt is on that brute from the image on the web

[brazen grail]

Maybe Fireteam Taurus

[scarlet quiver]

Man if i hear locke say one more time "wait chief, im here to help..."

[brazen grail]

Sure is. But it doesn't quite mean he's dead. Some 343 guys have said to not look into it too much and that they wouldn't intentionally spoil a plotline

[sand sundial]

i know

[brazen grail]

But it almost definitely means he got brutally demolished by Hyperius

But survived

[sand sundial]

it could be like a build up to something

when chief is like on the brink of death and laskey or lock swoops in

[raw nest]

https://ibb.co/55NnkHC

[sand sundial]

I do hope Laskey is not dead

[brazen grail]

Ideally? I think each individual Hand of Atriox should kill or at least defeat one Spartan to solidify their position of power and strength in the Banished

[sand sundial]

he was the father figure to chief

[sand sundial]

They are gonna be semi boss or boss characters

[raw nest]

@sand sundial That is on a mega block

[brazen grail]

Each Hand of Atriox is a main villain essentially

Those are definitely main main bosses

[sand sundial]

its not only on megablox iits on a in game picture as well

[brazen grail]

Ones like Okro Vagaduun are probably your minibosses

[scarlet quiver]

Well the tartarus fight at the end of 2 was not that exciting, so hopefully they learn from that

[sand sundial]

remmember the silent shadow looking guy we see

[brazen grail]

Jega Rdomnai?

[raw nest]

I meant thats what I saw.

Oh yeah - do we even see more of him? know about him?

[sand sundial]

nope

there is lore on him

[brazen grail]

Oh you mean Okro Vagaduun?

[raw nest]

He's pretty damn cool

[sand sundial]

I forgot the name

[brazen grail]

Inslaan Gadogai?

[sand sundial]

I have too much lore

[raw nest]

Apparently he's confirmed to be in Infinite

[sand sundial]

I cannot remmember

[brazen grail]

Oh you mean the ones Atriox recruited?

[sand sundial]

Atriox's chosen

[brazen grail]

Oh those are Brutes

[raw nest]

Wait - wut?

[brazen grail]

Pavium was going to be one before Voridus messed it up

[sand sundial]

Not all brutes

[raw nest]

Jega - yup thats the shadow one

He'

[brazen grail]

Well we don't know any Atriox's Chosen that are Elties

The Hand of Atriox, though, there is one Elite

[raw nest]

The Hand of Atriox - yup!

That's where the shadow elite Jega is

[brazen grail]

Yep.

[sand sundial]

you guys know abou tthe brute flagship?

[brazen grail]

Of the Banished?

[sand sundial]

Its in scenes of infinites trailers

yes

[raw nest]

I do not

I'm behind on lores. Just now catching up on some stuff.

[brazen grail]

Oh that. We don't know what kind of ship it is. But it's definitely Banished

[sand sundial]

go look at the e3 halo infinite multiplayer trailer

[brazen grail]

I think someone saw that there's actually 2 of them, and one of them is in the distance

[sand sundial]

you will find in the corners of your screen

[brazen grail]

If there's 2, it's some sort of new Banished ship class

If there's only one, it may be the Karve

[sand sundial]

oh yeah that second one just below it

we all gotta play halo together I wanna see if your Skills are as good as your lore

[brazen grail]

Yeah we don't know what ship that is but it's Banished. We saw them drop the drop pods from last E3 so they definitely have ships

[raw nest]

LoL

[brazen grail]

I mainly play MCC BTB. Pretty good at it

[sand sundial]

I play Mcc

[brazen grail]

BTB?

[sand sundial]

I love BTB

its sooo fun

[brazen grail]

So do I

[sand sundial]

So much people

[brazen grail]

I play all of them except CE and 2 classic.

[raw nest]

BTB is chaotic greatness.

[sand sundial]

ok

Tell me when you guys can play

HOw old are you guys btw?

[raw nest]

I haven't been on since - Janurary?

[sand sundial]

Bruh

[brazen grail]

Later today for sure. Just DM me on discord and we'll see about a time

[raw nest]

lol

[sand sundial]

how old are you guys?

[raw nest]

I'm old...

[brazen grail]

In my 20s

[raw nest]

I just hit 30

[sand sundial]

Im 18

lol

[raw nest]

Bebeh

Grunt. lmfao

[brazen grail]

Well let's get back to lore before the mods get onto us

[sand sundial]

I have been playing halo since I was 12

don't even

[sand sundial]

veteran

Whats your fav halo game?

[brazen grail]

Story wise, 2

Multiplayer wise, 3

[sand sundial]

halo 3 was a masterpiece

[brazen grail]

Peak Halo right there

[sand sundial]

back in bungie era days

I mostly play halo reach and 4

[brazen grail]

Reach and 4 are also fun. I enjoy their BTB

[sand sundial]

halo 4s story was trash

Laskey was the only good character

[brazen grail]

People liked 4 story, but for me, it felt more like a comic story for some reason

[sand sundial]

It kinda did

what platforms you play halo on?

I play xbox

[brazen grail]

Xbox

Series X

[sand sundial]

Send me your gamertags I need to friend you so we can play together

you guys wanna get in a call lol

later

when we are playing halo?

[brazen grail]

Sent friend request

[sand sundial]

or should we just try to teust each other

[humble yacht]

let's try to keep this channel about lore, please

the lfg channels are for finding/scheduling play sessions

[brazen grail]

Sure thing

[sand sundial]

Got it

ok ima go over there lol

[raw nest]

Whoops. My bad. Got a call

[brazen grail]

Well let's keep it lore-related.

[raw nest]

Yes - for sure.

[brazen grail]

You got any questions?

[raw nest]

Jega - how do you think prosthetics will play a role here?

Because it looks like now even the spartans have them

[sand sundial]

Hmmmmm

[raw nest]

I didn't notice prosthetics being used until now - unless its in a lore i've missed. which is a bunch

[brazen grail]

Well If I recall correctly a Spartan's robotic arm is able to punch through some serious stuff.

So Jega's arm is probably no exception

It may increase his strength or punch

Kat, for example, had a robotic arm in Halo Reach if you remember

So it's not the first case of robotic arms being used

[raw nest]

OH YEAH!

lol, forgotten all about it

[humble yacht]

i don't think the prosthetics will play a mechanical role

i think they'll be aesthetic only, even for Jega

[brazen grail]

No not a mechanical role. Just for customization

[raw nest]

Oh for in game - I think so too

[brazen grail]

It's possible it can be just for aesthetic for Jega for the most part, but it may showcase how it's increased his strength or something

[raw nest]

But lore wise - I think this will be more mechanical

His mouth looks similar to the other Elite .. cant remeber the name

[sand sundial]

same

[brazen grail]

Rtav Vadum?

[humble yacht]

jega's character blurb doesn't sound like he relies on brute strength but rather stealth and precision

i don't see him getting into a fist fight with chief

[raw nest]

Idk, his sword wielding hand is the prosthetic hand.

[brazen grail]

Oh for sure. But I'm just saying that his robotic arm as a result of his arm being torn off somehow is just a bonus to his capabilities

[sand sundial]

Shipmaster they outnumber us three to one, Then it is a fair fight burn there mongrel hides!

[raw nest]

Yes! Rtas

His mouth was mechanical

[sand sundial]

If it was not for the arbiters council I would have glassed your entire planet

[sand sundial]

nope

[raw nest]

His mandibles

aka Half Jaw

[sand sundial]

he had a mandible missing

it was not mechanical

[brazen grail]

Well Rtas had part of his mandibles cut off. Jega seems to have it either cut off or replaced with just a different color for design, or it actually is a mechanical mandible replacement

[raw nest]

But it was replaced with mechanical pieces -yes?

[sand sundial]

he lassed it to the flood

[humble yacht]

That's Rtas

[sand sundial]

lossed

[humble yacht]

we talking about Jega

[sand sundial]

I do not know who jega is

[raw nest]

Jega also looks like he has mechanical mandibles

[humble yacht]

Jega is the red and black elite in Infinite

[sand sundial]

oh

[humble yacht]

he likely does

[raw nest]

The black/grey dude with red swword

[sand sundial]

The silent shadow one

[raw nest]

Yup.

[humble yacht]

he may have been silent shadow, it's not confirmed

[sand sundial]

if yall don't know who the silent shadow are ima be pissed

[raw nest]

Jega @ Aceme

[brazen grail]

Also, have you guys noticed how tall Jega seems to be? We don't know his exact height or what, but his Jazzwares toy has him about the same height as the Brutes, when even slouched down. So he may very well be 9 FT if not taller standing straight up

[raw nest]

Oh - that's true too. not confirmed

[sand sundial]

not confirmed

[raw nest]

Yeah, Jega is huge

[humble yacht]

i don't think the toys are necessarily to scale

[sand sundial]

nope becuase in megablox the marines are taller than chief

explain that

[brazen grail]

Well didn't they say those Jazzwares toys were supposed to be scaled to how they'd be in the game?

Megablox are different.

[raw nest]

Megablox is just megablox lol

[humble yacht]

most toys are made at a standardized height, like 6 inches or something

[raw nest]

They have tiny brutes

[humble yacht]

to scale toys are generally labelled as 1:100 scale or something

[brazen grail]

Neither. Brutes

[raw nest]

0.o Wut

[brazen grail]

I'm not a big UNSC fan in general. They're cool and all, but I've always preferred the bad guys more

[raw nest]

Haha - true. I can get with that.

and I meant Wut - cuz that persons message vanished.

Who was that pilot in in the trailer? have we seen him before?

Sorry - like i said - im way behind./

[brazen grail]

Nope. First time

[raw nest]

ok - brb - gunna grab lunch

[brazen grail]

He's going to be an important character in Infinite though

[raw nest]

had a feeling.

[raw nest]

Hello again.

[brazen grail]

Hey

[raw nest]

Tell me more! lol

[brazen grail]

Ask away @raw nest

[versed helm]

Does anyone else besides me feel sorry for the Grunts?

[gilded mason]

Many people, yes.

[versed helm]

Considering how the Covenant ended the Grunt Rebellion

By glassing parts of Balaho

I wonder what's going to happen to the the ones on Balaho once the Created are defeated

[brazen grail]

Well it's going to be interesting to see what they do with the Created grunts in general. I could've almost sworn 343 said somewhere that the Created grunts were like the new Elites or something

[gilded mason]

I don't recall that.

[brazen grail]

I could've sworn I heard that somewhere. But I can't confirm for certain they said that

But we do know the Created grunts have plenty of resources now

[raw nest]

Man, I love the Grunts.

Their dialogue in game is always the best.

[versed helm]

Plus, those battlesuits of theirs

[brazen grail]

Some cool Banished grunt designs, like the grunt mule

[raw nest]

OMG YES! The Grunt Mules look insane.

[versed helm]

is the 2001 version of 'The Fall Of Reach' better than the 2019 version?

[raw nest]

Lol, sorry I tagged you in General Avin

But this guy needs answers!

[main rivet]

@versed helm There's newer content and edits that fix mistakes and adjust the continuity in the revised versions.

[versed helm]

the revised version aren't available in the place where I live :(

[pine sage]

Like the self die grunts in halo 3. "Please enjoy my bright, blue, BALLS"

[raw nest]

Ues @pine sage - also cool name -God of war fan? or just norse mytho?

[brazen grail]

What needs answers?

[pine sage]

Anime fan. Check out the series jormungand.

[brazen grail]

@raw nest I'm mainly a Banished lore guy. I know quite a lot all-around, but when it comes to the Banished, that's where I know the most

[raw nest]

Ah ok.

You seemed pretty well rounded.

Figured you know some what about the books.

[brazen grail]

What was the question?

[raw nest]

Oh about the book

is the 2001 version of 'The Fall Of Reach' better than the 2019 version?

[brazen grail]

Well that's more personal preference

[raw nest]

I did give him an answer based on forums

[carmine sleet]

The 2019 version is a reprint of the 2011 version which basically features changes to make Fall of Reach fit in better with media released since its original release

[brazen grail]

And there's been inconsistencies with them

[last anchor]

Mostly its just additions to change stuff.
Probably the biggest one is the adjustmetn of the dropship that deploys John and the trainees into the frozen wilderness being an Albatross instead of the much smaller pelican.
Because even I cannot imagine how you pack 75 children into the back of a Pelican, they're big, but not THAT big.

Abliet the idea of John standing outside and loading them in Tetris style ala that one epsiode of the simpsons does apeal to me.

[viscid salmon]

I remember back in the day I saw someone make a Pelican with a troop bay expansion in place of the regular magnetic boom. I think at the time this may have been what people thought held all the kids.

I think it was on Halo.bungie.org. Obviously fan made but at the time there wasn't much other explanation.

Actually Halopedia lists that conjecture as well.

Found the image

https://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_pelicandropship/images/Pelican-TroopPod.jpg

An Albatross makes a better degree of sense. It's a cargo craft, so go big or go home when it comes to hauling.

[main rivet]

I'd say the bigger overarching thing was that they massaged a lot of the talk about the Covenant. In Nylund's original concept Chief didn't meet Elites until literally the Fall of Reach, and the entire caste structure was barely understood.

Obviously they backfilled the Brutes in later too, but even Halo: CE didn't really suggest engagements with most of the Covenant was that novel.

There's always early installment weirdness like that. Halo's pretty unique for a sprawling billion dollar entertainment franchise that there's so few retcons, all things considered.

If they'd just ignored the timestamps on Halo: Reach there wouldn't even be that many consequential ones.

[viscid salmon]

Well thats the problem with using timestamps isn't it?

You're locked in down to the minute.

I like it in Halo since it makes it so easy to coordinate the plots and events, but it does mean when someone messes up you notice.

[main rivet]

Yeah I've never got why they put them in the novels since it just introduces a source of problems you really don't need. And in Reach aside from the Pillar of Autumn on Reach issue basically everything could have been swept under the rug if you changed like two lines of dialogue and removed the timestamps altogether.

(Not to mention how needless the choice to have the fall of Reach be a month long is, given how little it impacts the story or characters.)

[viscid salmon]

Part of me thinks a month long campaign makes sense from a military standpoint. If I had a choice, I would pick the longer option over the planet falling in just, what was it a day in the book?

[unique rune]

Less than a day, if I didn't misread anything.

The Autumn jumps out of system only about two hours after the Covenant fleet was detected in system.

[main rivet]

The human stronghold getting wiped in a day is kind of the point.

(Thematically, at least.)

[dense falcon]

To the avid bookworms: Is Halo: Last Light worth reading for the lore? I'm 42% complete with it (Chapter 13) but at this point I'm getting a bit bored, I'm wondering if it's worth to keep up the read or just read what happens on Halopedia and move on to the next book

[gilded mason]

Not much "lore" to squeeze out of it unless you're going to read Retribution, though as you figured, Halopedia would help with getting the essentials anyway.

So I'd say go for that if the book ain't hookin' ya.

[fair hazel]

I personally find it hard not to finish halo books

[sacred birch]

Hey guys! a cousin of mine is writing a novel based on the franchise. He is so young, yet talented. I am aware of copyright stuff but idk if there is any way to approach 343 or Microsoft to make the project, something tangible.

[fair hazel]

No @sacred birch

[dense falcon]

Believe me, so do I, but out of the 10 digital books that I own, 8 always leave me with a "Omg what happens next" sensation or a "Someone's about to die", Last Light and Cryptum have lacked that constant action other books have had

Cryptum was just an Indiana Jones moment and then a tour around the galaxy until the ending, correct?

[fair hazel]

Hm, i just really enjoy them and finish them quite fast.

cryptum was an adventure

[dusty pilot]

what if, and hear me out, Keyes DID keep his pistol loaded and squeezed the trigger long enough to get 3-4 shots on chief.

[versed helm]

The pillar of autumn goes full anarchy mode

[proper spoke]

unsure if I would put this here or not but what are all your opinions on the halo movies? like nightfall or forward onto dawn, etc

[humble yacht]

They ok

[versed helm]

Nightfall was alright
Forward unto Dawn was awesome

[edgy vale]

Going back through Reach I can't help but wonder why for such an important point of defense, Reach was so easily breachable, considering it's status as the gateway colony at the forefront of Earth's defense

Not saying the covenant didn't had the advanced technology that they indeed had to be able to covertly shutdown the relays tbw, but I just thought reach detection system was severely outdated/subpar for what was needed of it

[proper spoke]

"slip-space rupture detected" intensifies

[edgy vale]

Stuffs that wake you up at night

[proper spoke]

now you know why its set as my alarm clock

[versed helm]

Would be horrifying to wake up with your phone going off then looking outside your window to see a huge Covenant cruiser outside your window

[proper spoke]

one side of me would go "dang thats so cool" and the other will be "dang we all bouta die"

[edgy vale]

Then you realise the radiation flare is now at 40 million roentgens

[versed helm]

This calls for the good old AR-15

[edgy vale]

picks up weapon

5 minutes later

gets shot in the head by a needler

[versed helm]

You'll live they just pop off after 3 seconds and your entire body is fine

[edgy vale]

Wish I can say that to kat :(

[versed helm]

I always hated that about halo 3

Just getting shot with the needler once

Let's say in the head

The needle just stays there

Inside

And out

Then it pops and you're still alive some how

[edgy vale]

The usual dev oversight

Also might just be that kat was playing on legendary

[versed helm]

She's supposed to be the brain

[proper spoke]

more like no-brain ahaha- im sorry ill leave

[edgy vale]

Im both laughing and crying internally reading this

[unique rune]

Not saying the covenant didn't had the advanced technology that they indeed had to be able to covertly shutdown the relays
It’s not even an issue of the Covenant being technologically superior for me, it’s just that Reach comes off as painting the UNSC in a really weirdly incompetent way to me. Like, the Fall of Reach novel establishes that the UNSC has sensor posts that can detect and identify Covenant ships inbound from slipspace by silhouette alone and yet… somehow any entire Covenant fleet managed to sneak onto the planet that’s supposed to be humanity’s greatest military stronghold and land troops undetected.

I don’t think the game’s campaign ever really even highlights why Reach is supposed to be so important either outside of some dialogue from Jorge.

[last anchor]

This is half the reason I love it so much.
And the retcons that do happen are minor and, overall, justified.

[last anchor]

It doesnt. It just says "this is Reach, its important"
In the same way that it never explicetly states Noble are S-IIIs

Oh man, the ungodly RAGE when people found that out.

[bitter current]

So wait if I'm following correctly, Harvest was what ignited the war and how soon after that was the events of Reach?

[last anchor]

Harvest was in 2525.
Reach fell in 2552

Exactly 27 year slater

[bitter current]

Wow that's quite a long time

[last anchor]

The Covenant had to burn their way through 800+ colonies. And the UNSC held ground on many of them.
Additional, even covenant slipspace is slow.

FTL just means FTL, not instantanious.

Think old-school hyperdrive in Star Wars

[bitter current]

Enough for a generation of Spartan IIIs to be formed then I guess, lol

[last anchor]

When you recruit at age 4 to 6 yes

[edgy vale]

Also since we're talking about S-IIIs

Any reasoning why Emile and Carter was picked up above the normal age group

Considering they were already 8 and 11 respectively

When they were taken in

[last anchor]

Probably wide drag net.
ONI took whoever they could find that fit the bill.
Kat even still had parents when they found her I think.

[steady rock]

Just finished the Fall of Reach! I have been a big Halo fan, not much of a reader. Finally decided to try out the books, and it was so good! I’m excited to continue the story!

[edgy vale]

Uhmm idk how much hate 5 gets here, but I genuinely hope 343 don't just discard away Locke and his team, I hope they would go back on the idea and try to do things right

Personally I really liked the idea of having someone else to be sort of lead the story forward as how it was supposed to be with Locke I imagined, it's just that the execution and development was so undercooked it felt extremely rushed that it end up the way it was which wasn't great overall

[inland axle]

You have a entire galaxy for your setting

Chief is special, but ODST and Reach have the right idea of using like...

Another point of view

In a war

[wintry igloo]

Man, I just finished the 3th book Halo Dictata, man the ending was sad... I'm going to miss B.B what a guy.

[pine sage]

ODST has an 08th MS team feel. POV of frontline grunts rather than a main hero.

[main rivet]

Yep, this is part of it for me as well. Literally the second-largest ship we've seen in Halo somehow manages to reach the surface of Reach undetected, despite the fact that it's crawling with ships and cloaking is treated as putting out intense amounts of heat to boot.

Bungie managed to make everyone involved look like more of an idiot.

The choice to have Spartan-IIIs was also super weird just because Reach wasn't their home. Jorge's stuff hits hard because he's the only one who a) doesn't act like a weird robot, and b) actually has a connection to the planet.

reach was Bungie zagging instead of zigging on people's expectations when they heard "Halo: Reach" and just not doing a good job of it.

[pearl bison]

Reach wasn't perfect by any stretch, but you can give them props for depicting the UNSC military structure and conflict against the Covenant in a more realistic manner than before

[unique rune]

I mean, sure, I could do that, but for me that’s just largely inconsequential set dressing for a core that has a number of glaring flaws.

[versed helm]

We also had the Arbiter levels in Halo 2

I like those levels more than the Chief levels tbh

[main rivet]

I like Uprising and Great Journey way more than Gravemind and High Charity.

But the Heretic/Flood levels aren't particularly fun to me.

[brazen grail]

Gravemind was good. High Charity, not as much. I liked Delta Halo though

[versed helm]

The Chief missions were more fun but the arbiter missions were better written

[stable flower]

Arbiter missions had more enemy variety

[versed helm]

True

[scarlet quiver]

For me its like, take halo 2, you were on moving scarabs, large forerunner structures where you are cutting cables and falling to an elevator, and just all sorts of locations where the map is mobile are extremely interactive and affects the gameplay.
But with infinite being on zeta halo, i just dont see that, incorporating the map to affect your play like in halo 2 in those massive ways.

[stable flower]

Halo 2 took place across multiple settings; Earth, Threshold, Delta Halo, High Charity. I wish we saw more of that in the newer games.

[scarlet quiver]

Yes, mich agreed, and for me, more maps that affect the game play.

[craggy merlin]

It would be cool to go to more covenant worlds. Like brute or grunt planets.

[viscid trout]

Let's focus more on zeta halo right now. Sure thst would be interesting..but do we have a reason to go there right now. The anwer...we dont. Right now zeta halo is where were gonna be doing most of the work for infinite, where a major event has happened. Is happening, and will happen. Sure it would be cool to visit those places...but not now. Not when zeta is the source of a mystery that could greatly effect how the galaxy works.

[unique rune]

You say that like Halo 4 and 5 don’t have varied environments.

Every Requiem mission on 4 is wildly different from the last, 5 drags you across at least four different planets, each with multiple different settings.

[viscid trout]

And while 4 did mostly take place on requiem, it did have some variety. And 5 we went to an ice wprld, an abandoned oni research station, a glassed world being excavated, sp the home world of elites, and a forerunner planet thst shots both the guardians, and an entrance to the domain. As well as the old covenant city, sunaion. It had variety.

We can say that halo 5 had a lot of flaws, but it's locations were not one of them.

[main rivet]

Yeah I don't really think of locations as a problem in any campaign for me.

[stable flower]

I didn't say that, and I mean locations, not specific environments.

[unique rune]

I mean, even then.

The Dawn, Requiem, Ivanoff Station, the Mantle’s Approach.

Kamchatka, Argent Moon, Meridian, Sanghelios, Genesis.

4 and 5 still provide a pretty fair spread of locations.

[craggy sierra]

4's certainly a lot more varied than reach and its 18 brown rocky quarries

[unique rune]

If anything 2 is the outlier in its locations in no small part because it’s almost two separate campaigns that intersect like, once.

[inland axle]

how

[unique rune]

I mean. Have you played Reach recently?
Like half its campaign is just running around in brown-grey rocky cliffs and canyons.

You get a brief reprieve going into space and then getting stuck in New Alexandria, but most of New Alexandria is also either brown-grey or on fire.

[inland axle]

Sounds like it's a torture to see the same setting

I wonder why

[unique rune]

I'm... not sure what point it is you're trying to make.

[raw moon]

so i have a question, whats the thoughts about the VK78 commando? I find it a bit odd that the UNSC would be using a CMA rifle

[unique rune]

The VK78 wasn't necessarily a CMA-exclusive weapon this whole time. As far as we know it's entirely possible that the UNSC also adopted the Commando for their own use.

[craggy sierra]

Why wouldn't they?

We still use remington shotguns today which were first designed 70 years ago. Hell I'm pretty sure Halo's shotgun is based on a remington.

[unique rune]

Not to mention it'd be really weird if the UNSC just tossed all of the CMA's gear out after taking over.

[craggy sierra]

Believe it or not the process of shooting small pieces of metal very fast isn't something that need significant innovation.

[raw moon]

true, i still find it a bit odd

at least it looks nice, reminds me a lot of the RC-101 from titanfall

[drifting beacon]

So how do you guys feel about Ferain's H5 helmet redesigns? https://ferainart.tumblr.com/post/167498675408/halo-5-helmet-redesigns-a-little-project-ive-had

[unique rune]

Ehh.

[gilded mason]

Pretty good, though some look kinda same-y

[unique rune]

I'm not a huge fan. They're fine, but they just feel a little lacking in identity.

[drifting beacon]

Well, that's sort of the point

They're meant to be modular, and have shared parts to ease logistics

Do Gungnir, Tracer, Locus, and Mako all need to be separate helmets, or can they be mission modules and up-armour kits bolted onto the same base helmet

https://64.media.tumblr.com/97c971dc668fb383caeef990a0002243/tumblr_ozfjp1XdYO1u7yodgo1_1280.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/64f86af008b6e8f1dde94ba413a605f9/tumblr_ozfjp1XdYO1u7yodgo2_1280.jpg

[humble yacht]

I think having different models for different specialization is fine

Fits the theme of multiple manufacturers

[drifting beacon]

Fair

I do prefer the more simplified look though

[unique rune]

I think it's also worth noting that a fair few armor permutations present in Halo 5 aren't even like full scale production models.

Many are still just proof of concepts undergoing testing.

[raw moon]

im not that big fan of the redesigns

[unique rune]

And then once you get into stuff like Olive or Timmy they don't even exist outside of War Games simulations.

[drifting beacon]

I'm not a fan of all of them, EOD isn't perfect, but I like the concepts

[simple vessel]

I like the elite redesign of the armor but if they kept the halo 2 anniversary elites and put on the halo 4/5 armor it would look cool

[drifting beacon]

They've still got the traits that make them what they are, and that make them unique, but they're toned down and more realistic

[simple vessel]

But the armors look like they just slapped random crap on it and called it a night

[drifting beacon]

Achilies still has the chops and plume, but it's more streamlined, it looks heavy duty and it feels like it has a reason to be there

It's an homage, rather than a straight-up reference

[humble yacht]

At the end of the day, feelings towards armor designs are personal

Not everyone is going to like those redesigns

[drifting beacon]

Yeah, that's fair

[raw moon]

i dont mind halo 4-5s look

[drifting beacon]

Some people like the more outlandish, stylised designs, I just prefer the more rugged suits

[raw moon]

im not the biggest fan of most of them but i dont mind them

i just wish there was more armours with ammo pouches / grenade pouches

[drifting beacon]

That's what I liked about Reach

Sure, the lore says that Spartan Armour has magnetic sections and that it has hidden compartments

But goshdangit, actual pouches just makes more sense

[raw moon]

yep

[unique rune]

Quite frankly at this point my biggest issue with GEN2 armor sets is the how the skins/color schemes are set up

[versed helm]

Were there any other Forerunner Builders that held the title of Master Builder before Faber?

[edgy vale]

Afaik Faber was the only one

Might need to recheck but I think he was the only figure in the ecumene to hold that title

[edgy vale]

Faber-of-Will-and-Might (often shortened to Faber),[1] most commonly known by his title as the Master Builder, was an immensely powerful but exceedingly corrupt Forerunner Builder.

So this confirms my prev statement

[lavish garnet]

Morning guys - someone point me in the direction of Halo novels in chronological order, and one that is currently up to date?

[ivory arrow]

Ok wait pls

Wait chronological order or release order sorry for asking i want to be sure

Halo: Forerunner Trilogy
Halo: Contact Harvest
Halo: The Cole Protocol
Halo: The Fall of Reach
Halo: The Flood
Halo: First Strike
Halo: Ghosts of Onyx
Halo: Evolutions (spans from about a year before covenant war to six years after

Here is the chronological order for the novels

[ivory arrow]

Bro i wrote the chronological order for the novels

[unique rune]

Bud, you left out like half of the novels that have been published over the past two decades.

Anyhow.
Doesn’t seem like it’s 100% up to date but there’s probably something useful here.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/halo-canonical-order-thread/4db4825a-caa9-421a-87b2-dd7aa9548d56/posts

[ivory arrow]

What i remember this novels what guys what have i missed from halo

I have to play halo from halo 3 but i know the lore as my username says I am a huge nerd

[unique rune]

I don’t know if you checked out from Halo almost a decade ago but you missed like 24 novels in that list of yours.

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

[ivory arrow]

Oh shiiii.. i have to read the lore of 24 novels now i thought the lore continued only to the games after halo 3 but do you know something as a huge nerd i have to do it

[lavish garnet]

Thanks guys, much appreciated

[ivory arrow]

It's my pleasure bro

[unique rune]

i thought the lore continued only to the games after halo 3
…I have no idea what that even means.

[ivory arrow]

I wanted to say that i thought that there were no novels after halo 3

[carmine sleet]

Oh, there are plenty of novels that released after Halo 3

[last anchor]

Id say more released after Halo 3 than before

[humble yacht]

Not surprising, given what Marty said about bungie’s opinion on contracting external authors to contribute to the lore (they didn’t like it)

[austere stone]

ah dang i can’t send pics but the dialogue on page 117 of shadows of reach is a cool one and i didn’t even notice the page number till after i took the picture

the part where the reach militia have a desert eagle, which goes to show that that hand cannon indeed is reliable

makes me wonder what a .50 cal shot to a spartan would do

[river nova]

The m6d is chambered in 12.7x40 so it's technically a .50 cal

[viscid salmon]

Apparently make a Spartan spin around with a headshot.

[last anchor]

This has been known since CE, yes

[versed helm]

Was Miranda Cortana’s sister?

[main rivet]

no.

[obsidian thistle]

Well.... it honestly depends how you view it @main rivet.

Clone logic usually dictates that a clone is the offspring of whoevers dna was used. And as Halsey cloned herself to make Cortana. One could say yes she is Mirandas "sister".

But thats being pedantic.

[river nova]

Yes I know. I was giving the other guy an answer for what a .50 cal would do to a spartan

[austere stone]

i got the reference tho cuz head shots in ce would give u a spin animation which idk if any other game has that death animation still

also that makes halsey a mother of three “children”

as kalmiya is cortanas “older sister”

[main rivet]

Given that they're clones of Halsey's own brain Cortana is much more Halsey's sister than kid.

[humble yacht]

brains are used to generate a smart AI matrix, but it doesn't mean the AI itself is a clone of the donor

[obsidian thistle]

There is so much we can analyse for this discussion aha.

[last anchor]

Its fascinating

[coarse maple]

Hello all. Wanting to get into the Halo books. Can anyone recommend which series of books to for sure go for versus which to stay away from or pointless to read? For example was told to stay away from battle born series.
Thanks!

[humble yacht]

Tbh you can’t just blindly trust people’s opinions

People like/dislike different things, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t investigate everything yourself

I wouldn’t say stay away from any of the novels. Instead, read the synopses and decide for yourself which story arc interests you the most, then read that

[prime tendon]

Why weren't spartan III's a bigger part of the spartan program

[unique rune]

What do you mean?

[prime tendon]

Like there was only about less than 500 of them

Or at least that's what hiddenxperia says

[unique rune]

There were three companies of ~300 each.

They made up a pretty sizable chunk of Spartans during the Human-Covenant War, considering there were only about 30-odd Spartan-IIs active for most of the war.

[autumn glen]

didnt each company get sent on a suicide mission tho?

[unique rune]

Alpha and Beta were lost in Operations Prometheus and Torpedo, respectively.

Most of Gamma's status is unknown but presumably they mostly survived the war.

[edgy vale]

I know I'll probably search this myself in the end but

Anyone knows the drastic shift in recruitment

For Spartan-IVs compared to the IIs and IIIs specifically

And did the recruitment program end up being handed over to the UNSC instead of ONI

[unique rune]

Anyone knows the drastic shift in recruitment
For Spartan-IVs compared to the IIs and IIIs specifically
Well, some people realized that kidnapping and brainwashing children to be single-minded killing machines is a little ethically questionable and improvements in technology made recruiting and augmenting adult subjects more feasible.

And did the recruitment program end up being handed over to the UNSC instead of ONI
Spartan Operations handles Spartan-IV candidate recruitment internally after it was spun off into its own branch of the UNSC, independent of the Navy.

[viscid trout]

Probabky for the best that it's out of oni's hands as well.

[versed helm]

If the Forerunners called the Large Magellanic Cloud Path Kethona, did they ever have a name for the Small Magellanic Cloud?

[edgy vale]

Path Kethona Jr. ;)

[wintry igloo]

So I just finished Mortal dictata. the cole protocol i heard it was a bad one. So not sure what books i got left that is good to read

[viscid salmon]

I disagree; I found Cole Protocol to be alright. It was an interesting scenario to see Humans and aliens having a somewhat cordial relationship, rocky as it was.

[unique rune]

I quite liked The Cole Protocol when I read it, though it’s been a few years since then. I should really get on with re-reading it.

[edgy vale]

Cole Protocol.. iirc it's been only enacted once right?

During the outbreak on Mona Lisa

[carmine sleet]

Cole Protocol is enacted every time the Covenant attacked any UNSC ship or planet and they know they cannot push them back

Which was basically most battles

It was only once Earth was found that the Cole Protocol became pointless to use against the Covenant

[vernal umbra]

Hello guys massive legend here

My fav was the kilo 5 trilogy

Cuz humanity got that shield world and all

In onyx

What novels do u guys like and why?

[gilded mason]

Broken Circle, Shadow of Intent, Some of Evolutions, some of Fractures, and the alien portions of Silent Storm and Oblivion. Because I enjoy aliens more than humans.

[vernal umbra]

Broken Circle was really good

In evolutions i am at the mona lisa part

Haven't read the rest of the novels you mentioned but will read when i am free

[versed helm]

I loved Broken Circle

Especially Mken and Zo, those two are my most favorite San'Shyuum

[scarlet quiver]

Could use more lore of other non human species.

[last anchor]

Agreed

[wintry igloo]

The books I've read are
Mortal dictata
thursday war
glasslands
point of light
Shadow od reach
Silentium
Cryptum
Primordium
Contact harvest
The flood
The fall of reach
ghosts of onix

I just got "Hunters in the dark" is that a trilogy? And which other book is recommended?

[gilded mason]

I just got "Hunters in the dark" is that a trilogy?
Nah, stand-alone.

And which other book is recommended?
Broken Circle, Last Light, Retribution, Smoke and Shadow, Renegades, Evolutions, Fractures, Silent Storm, Oblivion.

Also, I'm surprised you read Point of Light before readin' the previous two books in the trilogy.

[wintry igloo]

@gilded masonwhat are the other two?

[gilded mason]

Smoke and Shadow, and Renegades

[wintry igloo]

Owwww oops... guess doing those two first hah

Ahh i remember why because renegades isn't on audible for some reason :/

[craggy sierra]

That's odd

I thought it was

Guilty Spark's VA even did the narration for it

[vestal scroll]

has anyone read the forerunner trilogy

is it good

[terse lava]

It is pretty good, although the second book is a bit tiring at times.

[main rivet]

Really depends how much you like classic "hard" sci-fi, I think.

[tame steeple]

Unpopular opinion, Miranda Keyes is better than Cortana

[merry flume]

you know, i agree

[tame steeple]

👏🏻

[fair hazel]

Better??

[viscid salmon]

Forerunner trilogy is hard?

I never got that impression.

[versed helm]

Hola??

de q hablan

[main rivet]

Not really in terms of actual content, necessarily, but tone.

Bear's work is much closer to Asimov et al than the military sci fi of the vast majority of Halo novels.

[obsidian thistle]

There is a lotta terms that are never explained however

So much the first book got a glossary made for it. (I am still hunting for the elusive physical copy with it in it)

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Cryptum/Glossary

[viscid salmon]

I can agree with that. Forerunner books have a Foundation edge to it. Sprawling vista's and numbers you'd rather not think about.

[lethal cave]

Just finished Point of Light.

I can't be the only one who thinks ||reseeding the Precursors, even outside the galaxy, is a mistake, right? Like, if it was up to me, I would've destroyed Eden; not launched it. And to hell with the Mantle too, it's caused more trouble than good.||

[craggy sierra]

Everyone's realized the Mantle's been a bad idea since the forerunner trilogy/Halo 4

[lethal cave]

Tbh I've thought it was a bad idea since it was first named.

[craggy sierra]

The mantle is the act of lying to yourself about how being a space dictator is good for people

[lethal cave]

Pretty much, yeah. Good to see someone shares my thoughts on it. Hopefully Infinite will dive into this more, given Zeta Halo's history.

I posted this on the Halopedia server too and they like the Mantle there lol.

[craggy sierra]

I mean that's kinda what seems to be what's literally intended by the lore

I don't think the mantle was ever meant to be viewed by the audience as a positive thing

It's a governmental structure the galaxy put blind faith in and ultimately lead to war after war even before the flood entered the scene and then summarily ended in all of life getting nuked

[lethal cave]

I dunno.

Like I said, on another server, they seem to be defending it pretty hard, or at least the stuff at the end of Point of Light.

Like I said tho, IMO, reseeding the Precursors in such a way is just a recipe for disaster, and more of the control that the forerunners went wrong by enforcing.

[craggy sierra]

This assumes the precursors know anything

[gilded mason]

Uh, you misinterpreted what we said.

We never said we liked the Mantle

We didn't even talk about it

[craggy sierra]

Humanity never just walked out of the re-seeding process with space ships and artillery. No species from it did.

[gilded mason]

We just said we shouldn't literally kill Precursor eggs

[lethal cave]

Oh, I guess I misinterpreted then

I still wouldn't have launched the ship tho

[craggy sierra]

Culturally and motivationally any possibly re-seeded precursor would know nothing of their heritage

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[lethal cave]

They wouldn't know their heritage, but I thought it worked like a geas, where they'd sorta subconsciously redevelop it? The Librarian spoke about how Living Time would create them again, and how she thought she was healing it by doing this.

[craggy sierra]

On the bright side this convo gave me the one possible way I wouldn't hate seeing precursors re-introduced

[gilded mason]

I think she's just talking about how patterns repeat throughout history

[lethal cave]

I doubt we'll ever see them in a main game or something.

This is something that manipulates growth on a scale of millions of years.

[lethal cave]

I interpreted it more literally, but I see how you could take it that way

[craggy sierra]

Well yeah. But the thing is so much discussion of precursors returning has people assuming they'd show up harbouring the timeless knowledge of the cosmos. Having a species just roll up to any story and be like "sup, we're god and we created everything you know as a backyard eugenics experiment" is kinda not great.

[lethal cave]

I agree.

And IMO, rebirthing them in the way described in PoL is just a continuation of said moral flaws. Basically doing the same thing the precursors and forerunners did

[versed helm]

How did Guilty Spark learn English?

[gilded mason]

Probably from hacking into the Pillar of Autumn

[versed helm]

The Autumn’s data seemed new to him at the end of CE, after speaking perfect English for hours

[gilded mason]

Yeah, a bit odd, but we have the first terminal showing him reading PoA data when first encountering 'em.

[versed helm]

I guess he found enough to get the gist without the history banks he found at the end of CE

[lethal cave]

Forerunners have such a knowledge of Living Time that they can calculate the evolution of language as easily as that of species. This seems to be built into most of their systems, as we've seen it in terminals and even Onyx sentinels. It even finds equivalent metaphors in the languages it translates.

He probably just used that.

[versed helm]

Far out

[versed helm]

I'm listening to the Primordium audiobook again right now

Gamelpar's death was depressing

I still want to see some concept art of what Marontik looked like

[spiral jewel]

In the context of Halo Reach and Halo CE, is it possible that John-117 actually had the Tactical/LRP accessory for his Mark 5 Mjolnir? As a dumb question as this may seem

[unique rune]

I mean… sure?

The Mk.V armor carries a set of pouches along the midsection so I guess if you wanted to think of it that way.

[ancient void]

So how did the Covernant loose to UNSC?

They are more advanced than the UNSC?

[unique rune]

The UNSC got lucky and a lot of things went horribly wrong for the Covenant.

[ancient void]

So for the flood can we survive the invasion?

[unique rune]

No

[ancient void]

Why

[unique rune]

Unless it was a very small, early stage Flood attack, humanity probably wouldn’t last long against the Flood considering how easily and rapidly the infection can spread.

[main rivet]

Humanity didn't beat the Covenant, the Covenant lost to itself.

[ancient void]

By how?

[unique rune]

Did you miss the whole big Great Schism civil war thing?

And the part where they found out their entire religion was built on misinterpretations and falsehoods?

[main rivet]

The Covenant was always a very shaky coalition, and they never really created an trans-species identity. Basically the only things keeping them together were the promise of the Covenant religion, and the threat of war if they left.

For more information: http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/glimmer-of-a-dying-star-2/

[ancient void]

I did see the Great Schism that civil war thing just by playing games I could not get enought info.

[silver saddle]

Part of it is also that the Covenant rarely innovated anything, they reverse engineered some forerunner stuff. But for the most part there was a large stigma against messing with forerunner tech. And the overwhelming numbers advantage usually lead to their military leaders not being very tactical. While humanity constantly innovated during the war and change up their tactics as much as they could, just to survive.

But in the end humanity just held put long enough for the covenant to fall apart on its own

[brazen grail]

Yep. Like mindlessly sending in Brutes to die in the front lines. No tactics, no nothing. Just wasting them like a magazine for their "holy religion"

They did it for a reason too. They didn't want them to survive very long, because then they'd catch on like Atriox did.

[silver saddle]

Also the prophet of truth found out that the entire covenant religion was a lie, and that humans were the inheritors of the forerunners and that's why they never tried to incorporate humans into the hegemony. Instead opting to exterminate them

[brazen grail]

They really had so many of them blinded. And some are still blinded by it, like Castor. But unlike the Covenant, the Keepers of the One Freedom actually incorporated humans into their ranks

[main rivet]

Increasingly unpopular foreign wars have toppled plenty of real governments in history, not surprising it'd be the final push in a fictional one.

[unique rune]

Erm. Was the part where the Arbiter’s Sangheili allied with the UNSC not enough to get the idea across?

[silver saddle]

To be fair to denniswang the games don't really do a great job of explaining how the covenant didn't just completely steamroll humanity during the 35+ year war

[unique rune]

They’re not really subtle with how the Great Schism crippled the Covenant either though.

[silver saddle]

Yeah, it's fairly clear how the covenant fell apart. But I don't think it's crazy to ask 'how did the covenant lose to the UNSC' because the covenant are always depicted and faster, better equipped (usually), have overwhelming numbers and is more technically advanced

Which has many more factors to consider, right?

[unique rune]

I mean, not really. Without the Great Schism the Covenant probably would’ve continued to steamroll humanity and eventually defeat them.

[silver saddle]

Agreed, but it's easy to see why some people are unclear on how the war was dragged out for so long

[unique rune]

The UNSC “winning” pretty much all comes down to the Covenant falling apart at the exact right time.

[brazen grail]

I mean, they nearly succeeded twice in activating the rings with the great schism going on. Just imagine if they were still united

[silver saddle]

I still don't really consider the end of the war as the UNSC "winning" just the covenant losing lol

[brazen grail]

Yeah. The UNSC didn't end the Covenant. The Covenant did. But everything around the Covenant, such as before the Great Schism, with the formation of the Banished, came back to bite the UNSC. And now look where they're at. Banished has control of the most dangerous weapon in the universe and the UNSC is on the backfoot

[limpid meadow]

Gonna be real interesting to hear how the Banished got so powerful so quickly.

[brazen grail]

Well, 343 covered their bases when they said the Banished has forces across the entire orion arm of the galaxy

We know they have a supercarrier now

Major influence on Doisac

Plus other worlds, human criminal enterprises, other fleets spreading influence, etc.

They probably were really bolstered due to the events of the Great Schism

[silver saddle]

It's probably not that difficult to snag a bit of equipment and supplies from remote covenant outposts while their focused on trying to stamp out humans and also find more HALOs

They're *

[scarlet quiver]

Yep yep. That is how i imagined they built up.

For them creating another entity to focus on after the covenant, the banished was a good make and a good way to go.
The prometheans though...😝

[unique rune]

I mean the Prometheans are more akin to the Flood than the Covenant in terms of their role in the story.

I’m still a little iffy on the Banished, honestly. I like the idea of a powerful Jiralhanae-led faction in concept and I think they had a pretty cool aesthetic established in HW2, but the execution just comes off as a little… spotty.

[brazen grail]

The execution in Halo Wars 2 main campaign was not the best

And it's because they introduce an awesome faction and have one old ship with an ungodly amount of plot armor push them back

[main rivet]

If the cutscenes hadn't basically shown the Spirit of Fire actively fighting the carrier, it would have been more reasonable.

[brazen grail]

Exactly. They should have done it like how the marketing showed. Atriox does something to destroy a UNSC push, Cutter rethinks and counters. Back and forth. Know your enemy. But it just felt one-sided

[main rivet]

Yeah, I think that's my major complaint with the game (besides that it took place on the Ark that visually looked nothing like the Ark we knew): the "know your enemy" stuff was more present in the ads than the game. Cutter and Atriox get very little back-and-forth.

[limpid meadow]

To be fair, we never explored much of the Ark in Halo 3. Much of Halo Wars 2 is set in different parts of the Ark than we'd visited.

That said, I do wish it had looked a bit more familiar.

[drowsy mesa]

Like Zo Resken said in Halo: Broken Circle, it were the "three vectors of chaos"

1st vector: Humanity. 2nd vector: The Flood. 3rd vector: the Great Schism

[jolly rapids]

https://youtu.be/WEWEdIcx1DI

dam no embeds

😔

[obsidian thistle]

That video has been seen by a lotta folks here already xD

[jolly rapids]

ah