#lore-and-universe

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warm seal
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but we do teach about medieveal which was 600 years ago so maybe

tepid vault
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Yeah, also considering how the wars were like soft spots in history and just overall pretty interesting stories humanity would keep it to their hearts, although they may think of it differently

warm seal
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yeah i mean we studied alexander the greats tactic and his wars was 100 of years ago so maybe the UNSC studies our tatics

tepid vault
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I mean, it’d be dumb not to

warm seal
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imagine rommel as a A.I

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if halo 5 cortana was a guy it would be hitler

fallen wigeon
warm seal
# fallen wigeon fax

cortana:chief i love you

me wanting to massacre grunts cause im a psychotic monster:SHUT UP

fallen wigeon
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wait...

warm seal
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what

fallen wigeon
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...

warm seal
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grabs out shotgun WHAT WAS THAT

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DUDE im also a psychotic in irl

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but also seeing hcief get beatened by locke made me mad

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i grew up with master cchief being this badass unstopable being

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and seeing a new guy kick him around was just sad

versed helm
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The Chief vs Locke fight was downright ridiculous, it was like watching two toddlers fighting over a piece of candy rather than two super-soldiers trying to beat the yoink out of each other

tepid vault
versed helm
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They could've done so much better with Halo 5, yet they yoinked it up

pine sage
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spartan 2

unique rune
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  • literally anyone who’s played halo 3
    I'm... not sure why that's an impression someone would get from having played Halo 3, considering there aren't any scenes in that game involving Spartans fighting each other.
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Chief doesn't really demonstrate any particularly notable physical feats over the course of the campaign either outside of not dying after falling from the Anodyne Spirit.

pine sage
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Well considering it's a battle hardened spartan 2 with more battle experience than all of osiris combined vs Locke who should barely be able to keep up due to the gen 2 suit. Chief was holding back BIG TIME

versed helm
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chief needs a world of cardboard speech lol

unique rune
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I mean, I don't think it's entirely fair to assume it'd be a wholly one-sided beating the way people make it out to be.
We don't really know the full extent of how the effects of Proj. ORCHID compare to those of CHRYSANTHEMUM, not to mention how armor functionality plays into it.

GEN2 is able to bridge the gap so that a Spartan-IV is as effective as a Spartan-II in GEN1, but for all we know, its effects might not scale up for Spartan-IIs. There might be a point of diminishing returns where a Spartan-IV and Spartan-II are pretty comparable in GEN2.

main rivet
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Yeah, I've never felt most of the arguments about that fight are really that relevant.

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The issue is one of basic choreography and blocking.

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Frankly if they'd made it look like a Monty Oum fight that would have been just as ridiculous going the other way and wouldn't have resolved the same issues surrounding it (everyone else not doing jack to help, etc.)

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(And that's not even getting into the issue part of people's complaints is not the fight itself but that it's the culmination of the "hunt" part of the story that they wanted more from.)

versed helm
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so i should read escalations after 4? it takes place after 4 and before 5 right?

pine sage
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Power may be comparable but we also have to factor experience. John is the most experienced, having more than all of osiris combined, plus far more thorough training. And I dont know if Locke can boast the same, but john has gone hand to hand with armored sangheili on multiple occasions and come out on top. I'd say it would still be one sided in chiefs favor.

ivory summit
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CTN 0453-0 (The Weapon) Another flash clone of Dr Halsey Brain? Better question who is her voice actor sounds familiar but I can’t place it any clue?

humble yacht
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Jen Taylor

ivory summit
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Oh wow 😳 now that is interesting. It would make a lot of sense

versed helm
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@ivory summit apperantly yes, if u watched the video jormungand sent it is all explained there what happened with castle base and the stuff in it when they returned to reach

unique rune
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John is the most experienced, having more than all of osiris combined, plus far more thorough training.
I feel like that’s overstating it a bit, and undervaluing the experience that Osiris’ members have. Locke was a skilled enough freelance assassin that he caught ONI’s attention, which I think speaks well enough to his abilities. Chief may have a pretty thorough history of combat but it’s not like Locke wouldn’t be able to hold his own in a fight

versed helm
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I agree. Any trained assassin that was sent to hunt thel deserves respect

pine sage
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Well assassin isnt a job where one hits his target face to face. But because it was a one on one fist fight with no element of surprise, chief would be as a serious combative advantage. Lock was trained as a spartan 4 on top of his ability as an assassin but with the advantages of the latter gone he'd have to fall on the former which, while extensive, wasnt as extensive or thorough as that training went for a fraction of the time the 2s were training.

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And there is still the experience given that john had been fighting in the war since it began and from a young age.

humble yacht
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even given chief's greater experience and his status as a spartan 2, it's not like he could knock out locke in one punch

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the fight ended in chief's victory

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nobody is saying locke should have won, we're saying that it was never intended to be (nor should have been) a super one sided fight

versed helm
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Even though assassins are trained to strike from the shadows, they are also trained very well in hand to hand combat. While Chief is the alpha that he is, he aint invincible, nor is he the strongest hand to hand combatant. He is the type of guy to be the master of every trade, but does not mean he is the best in everything.

humble yacht
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the phrase is "jack of all trades, master of none"

versed helm
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Yes, but seemed too cliche to use it 😆

carmine sleet
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Situations like this are why that phrase even exist in the first place

main rivet
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Fans arguing about power levels is the worst part of almost any fandom 😛

versed helm
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Kind of, but hey, we are all interested in different things. If they like giving arguments on some characters power lvl thats their thinf

obsidian thistle
humble yacht
versed helm
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I like Locke as a character, he gave some fresh air to the game. Always playing as the chief gets repetetive. Look how reach, odst turned out. Imo every game is a great game as long as u have fun. At the end of the day they are created for our entertainment. But to each his own i guess.

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Nooo chief didn't snap his neck bad game

humble yacht
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the idea that bad characters need to die is extremely flawed and shows immaturity on the part of those who wish for such things

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"bad" as in poorly written/received, not "bad" as in evil

versed helm
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They can die, just send them out on a good note or for a reason of the story

carmine sleet
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That'd still be killing them off because people think they're bad

humble yacht
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death should not be used as a throwaway tool. these kinds of people want characters they don't like to die so they can not think about them any more. but character deaths should have meaning, should be used to evoke emotional responses or propel forward the narrative in meaningful ways

versed helm
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Locke jumps in front of a sniper jackal to save chief, then chief gets hit and dies because jackal sniper

carmine sleet
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That'd be a horrible way to kill off Locke

versed helm
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That's the point lol

humble yacht
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It's almost a catch 22 because since the community received locke so poorly, no matter how 343 kills him off (if they choose to), it'll feel like pandering

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same with Palmer

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I don't necessarily think these characters should be exempt from dying but I can't think of any way these characters would be killed off in a way that didn't feel like 343 caving to the criticism these characters recieved

versed helm
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I honestly feel like more people will appreciate Locke if he dies anytime all because he would be dead

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Be like "ohh noo he could've been so much better I liked him"

carmine sleet
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I'd feel like they're wasting potential by killing him right now

humble yacht
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that's not a good reason to appreciate a character, nor should 343 go that route to simply try to appease fans

versed helm
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I just wonder what happened to him

carmine sleet
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We'll find out once Infinite releases no doubt. Like, I highly doubt he's dead

humble yacht
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we'll find out this holiday

versed helm
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It'll be our Thanksgiving thanks/Christmas present from 343

turbid lintel
main rivet
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Yeah, I feel like given how much they're leaning into Infinite being a "jumping in" point it'd be surprising if we actually did get any Osiris stuff. They already shuffled Buck off in his own book.

versed helm
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Halo Infinitely changing the lore

craggy sierra
versed helm
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Noooo he could've been such a good character

obsidian thistle
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Honestly I am amazed he didnt die at the end. Or was stuck with Chief.

loud igloo
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any lore experts that can help me figure out who this mystery person is in the 4th terminal of halo 2? very specific i know but im going crazy. it looks like an odst or spartan sitting in the rafters during the meeting with the heretic elite and guilty spark

craggy sierra
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I'm amazed at most things in Halo 3's story writing. Most of them in not good ways.

obsidian thistle
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Bungie was very much on the "Finish the Fight" trend with Halo 3 so media around the game cut threads like Ackerson being alive and so on.

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Ghosts of Onyx even stopped the Elites being a major threat post-war

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And locked away major EU characters lol

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Honestly its been fun to see how 343i worked around that tbh

obsidian thistle
pine sage
loud igloo
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@obsidian thistle it kinda looks like it could be a ranger elite from reach but it has the whole glowing helmet look that all unsc stuff has, blurry af but the gun in his hand looks like an smg

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ive been on this for like 40 minutes now

obsidian thistle
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Just checked. 100% a Heretic Grunt

barren prairie
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I just checked the Awakening The Nightmare page on Halopedia, and saw this little tidbit of info I was previously unaware of.

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I would rather have had this than weird Flood sidestory.

versed helm
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So from what I see in that image, Phaetons, whatever those floating sentinel things are, and Promethean Knights and Crawlers

barren prairie
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It was part of a scrapped pitch for DLC/Third Halo Wars.

versed helm
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Wait, I also see Cryptums

barren prairie
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Obviously the rule is don't read too much into concept art but I would have infinitely preferred a DLC about the Created invading the Ark and fighting the forces of the Banished and UNSC over two bumblebro Brutes accidentally'ing the Flood

versed helm
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Same tbh

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So what were those floating robot things?

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And I see the Warden Eternal standing in front of what appears to be some sort of machine that dispenses Cryptums

slim thorn
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Probably a replica or smaller version of Guardian?

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But if that happens, then Created Conflict will also goes as far as Installation 00.

barren prairie
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I don't see how it wouldn't.

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If I were Cortana, and I'm not, I'd send a few Guardians real fast out to the Ark simply to check on it

slim thorn
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But Cortana may order Warden Eternal to smash what was left of the High Charity

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Considering it was a nightmare for her

main rivet
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I can't imagine the Ark would be a major priority for Cortana, just because (as far as she knew) there was nothing relevant there in terms of threatening her versus power bases in the milky way.

obsidian thistle
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Someone gaining control of a Halo Installation which can be used to wipe out any biological element of Cortanas forces seems pretty important lol

craggy sierra
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Yeah but no one really wants to do that except maybe Castor...but he's an idiot.

main rivet
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Yeah, most of the galaxy has neither the knowledge or means to do anything with a Halo if you gave them one.

barren prairie
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literally can only be used by human

main rivet
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I'm sure the Created would have shown up at some point to the Ark, but I can imagine they had bigger priorities in the < 1 year since they started their whole regime change.

stable flower
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I don't think Cortana can access the Ark

humble yacht
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not digitally but she can always send a ship there the long way

limpid meadow
mossy ingot
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I got a Q is spartan nicole 458 canon?

carmine sleet
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The version of her seen in Dead or Alive is based off of a canonical character but we don't know much about Nicole in the canon

versed helm
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Were the survivors on Guilty Spark aboard Victor 933?

main rivet
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Which survivors? The ones Chief meets at the end of the mission?

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It’s unlikely given they mention they lost contact with the rest of the mission and were wandering around, the transmission from V933 suggests they were directly part of Keyes’ group and they went somewhere to hold out. I don’t necessarily think they cant be the same group but the circumstances don’t seem to match.

obsidian thistle
carmine sleet
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Hopefully she wasn't a I. Wouldn't mind them giving us actual info on her in the future

versed helm
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Who was t he odst (from halo 3 odst) that turned into a rebel and got rookie killed? Was it romeo or dutch?

fathom valley
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Micky

versed helm
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Oh wow..i always thought it was romeo or dutch, thank you bud good to know

fathom valley
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Yeah, surprisingly Romes was a good little, if mouthy, solider.
Dutch ended up retiring, for the time being, after Rooks untimely departure.
And No problem

humble yacht
limpid meadow
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At the moment, because that's her backstory as we know it. Class-2 never happened, canonically, however.

versed helm
versed helm
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Is Dr. Tilson a promethean now since she got composed?

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Good question, she was composed in a grotesque way, i think she and every other person in there save the chief was composed to create more promethean knights

carmine sleet
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There was nothing more grotesque about how she was composed compared to everyone else, the focus was just on her in that shot

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She is most likely a Promethean Knight now, maybe even one that we've killed

versed helm
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Meant to say the others and herself but yh

obsidian thistle
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Well less move. More make the page a non-canon page and then make a Nicole page on the Spartan with zero details.

humble yacht
versed helm
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Guess we may never know, unless they make some data pads in future games about it and certain events in halo4

limpid meadow
main rivet
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One of the good things about the Spartan IVs and moving decisively into the post war era is we get to avoid having to try and squeeze new Spartan blood out of the stone, as it were. “Actually they just told the other Spartans they were dead but got rehabilitated” and similar retcons never reallllllyy worked perfectly.

stable flower
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I wonder if any Covenant were still on Ivanoff when it got Composed.

main rivet
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Presumably. There's not really much time from when Chief last engages some to the cutscene.

obsidian thistle
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Unfortunately its really hard to say. We do however know a contingent of Covenant went down to Gamma Halo during all that commotion however.

terse lava
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Always figured they were composed, along with the humans

reef cobalt
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where can i find the order of the halo novels so i can read them in order

random pilot
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Craig is the primordial

pine sage
reef cobalt
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thanks

frozen heron
pine sage
frozen heron
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I thought it was after Mendicant Bias revealed to the San Shyuum that the covenant teachings were wrong, humans were chosen to inherit the Mantle, and the Prophet of Truth (then Minister of Fortitude) ordered humanity to be wiped out so that the covenant would never know the truth. Then some time later, the Harvest space station Tiara made long-range radar contact with the Covenant cruiser Rapid Conversion , the latter of which promptly took it out.

split marten
carmine sleet
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I hear it's always better to go from Fall of Reach and through the novels in release order than start with the Forerunner trilogy

last anchor
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As have I

versed helm
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Read release order

silver zephyr
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Anyone know all the Halo books involving master chief? Wanna maybe read them before Infinite so I have all knowledge bout who I am playing as

gilded mason
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Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Silent Storm, Oblivion, and Shadows of Reach. Think that's all the ones with John.

last anchor
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Wow. I forgot hes in so few...

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Also, hilariously, of those, only two were written by Eric Nylund. The last three were Troy Denning and the middle one was...some Marine, I think

craggy sierra
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This all feeds into my theory that chief is the least interesting thing in Halo.

wispy wasp
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It's almost like there is way more to the halo universe than the chief

gilded mason
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I apologize, Waffle.

craggy sierra
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Sans is Ness

dawn knot
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Minecraft Creepers are a plant

gilded mason
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John's secret is that he puts toilet paper rolls underhang.

last anchor
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Hes so lucky hes boring.

versed helm
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So what other species could the Covenant have waged war upon?, like before their first encounter with humanity at Harvest and the ones we see in the games

rancid viper
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A lot of the species the covenant waged war upon actually were recruited into the covenant I’m pretty sure

fair hazel
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I prefer linda but I’m still invested in John

pine sage
pine sage
silver saddle
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The monitor in the keyship/dreadnought (Anodyne spirit) was a fragment on mendicant

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Of*

pine sage
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It was? Huh.

versed helm
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Are there any differences between the older and newer versions of "The Flood"?

obsidian thistle
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Yes

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I personally recommend the 2019 version if you want a cleaner experience

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But if you are wanting the og but flawed version I'd get an og copy. If only to compare aha

versed helm
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Thanks. I think that I will read through Bungie's version.

obsidian thistle
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Note the 2019/10/11 versions have extra content

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@versed helm

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Like enough to connect dots and often forshadow future content

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The most you lose out is stuff that didnt fit in at the end of Bungies run (IE a lotta term changes) and a shower scene being removed lol

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(No one knows why that was removed lol.)

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(That and all the Marines John meets in the campaign were called ODST in the og release, this was fixed to Marines in the 2010/11/19 releases as it legit didnt fit the game and any other depiction of the campaign events LOL.)

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I did say the og release was very flawed lol

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More useful for comparing when the updated version fixes the mistakes

versed helm
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Those issues do not particularly bother me. Thanks for addressing them, though.

main rivet
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Release order is always the way to go, but some people just really love chronological for some reason.

obsidian thistle
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I honestly stopped suggesting both

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Start points are better!

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Lets people find what they wanna get into

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No one is gonna say you gotta read the Star Wars novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye first.

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They are gonna suggest stuff like the Thrawn Trilogy. And other similar start points!

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(Plus... in my research a list of 18 books with no grouping made people uneasy and feel like getting into Halo was a commitment than something to be enjoyed)

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(31 books in order is a even bigger commitment lol, remember that Unraveled video LOL)

dawn knot
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I never found or read the third book in the aftermath trilogy

obsidian thistle
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And thats another reason I like start points. It allows readers to find stuff they may wanna get into or not. And if they dislike or cant find a book. They have another area they can move too.

edgy rivet
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Right. Here's something that's grinding my gears. Cortana. Halo 4. 8 years old, ai go ape after 7, fair enough, but weren't like 7 of those years just her doing nothing but sit there on a floating forward until dawn? It's like 500 years in the future, surely they would have developed a 'if not doing anything, sleep until needed'

rich mulch
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maybe in that 500 years they barely developed the smart ais?

edgy rivet
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Pretty sure if they figured out that ai go bad after so many years they'd put in protocols to lengthen their life via either making them sleep, like humans do, right?

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More so cortana was I'd say an advanced ai compared to her counterparts, and 7 of those years sitting on the fud, surely she could have just went into hibernation, cancelling out the years she wasn't doing anything

rich mulch
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we don't know how they function, it's sci fi

edgy rivet
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As compared to ai who would surely be active in their 7 years, Halo Reach - 3 is only like... A couple months in length?

humble yacht
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you also have to consider that cortana went through other situations that taxed her more than a typical Smart AI gets taxed in their life

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  1. processing all that data from I04 made her unstable and halsey had to remove that data from her memory so she could think clearly
  2. the gravemind flooded her with the memories of the dead in order to accelerate rampancy in her
edgy rivet
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That is a good point, forgot about the gravemind stuff

humble yacht
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besides, it's worth noting that there is no set amount of time listed for normal rampancy. we know the 7 year limit is when deterioration starts, but it's not like we know it takes a year for rampant AI to fully die

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for all we know, normal rampancy could be a very fast pathology, with death occurring mere days/weeks after initial onset

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the fact that cortana managed to hold out an extra year could be a testament to her being in low power mode for 4 years

versed helm
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Airplane mode activated

humble yacht
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that's different

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airplane mode is just so that the phone doesn't send out any signals, it doesn't mean its using less processing power

primal bone
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Hello, I'd like to know where can I read about the Orion Project, also known as the project for Spartan I's

humble yacht
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First Strike

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maybe a little bit in Contact Harvest

primal bone
edgy rivet
gaunt oakBOT
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pine sage
edgy rivet
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Oh damn, throws it off even more. I thought she was 'born' in 2552?

pine sage
dawn rover
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Anyone ever see a good tool for generating a 3D map of a solar system? 2D is fine too I guess

People have said I should try Stellaris

Universe Sandbox seems even better but I don't know how to add nything like an asteroid belt

obsidian thistle
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Created November 7, 2549. Was stuck in the dawn from December 11, 2552 to July 21, 2557. So 4 years, 7 months, 10.

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That is a long time stuck thinking about nuthing but stuff she already knew.

pine sage
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On top of what the gravemind did to her

main rivet
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It's probably better to think about rampancy in terms of mean time to failure or similar ratings for equipment. It's not like you hit the 7-year period and you're done, it's just escalating odds of problems. In "Saints Testimony" they bring up that the "lifespan" before dispensation is deliberately short to preclude any problems from possibly appearing.

obsidian thistle
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Still need to meet an AI that reached Metastability.

main rivet
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And obviously Sloan and Juliana demonstrate a rampant AI can still be serviceable for considerable lengths after that cutoff.

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I'm not sure if metastability really exists in Halo.

humble yacht
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metastability doesn't apply to rampancy in halo anymore

main rivet
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Yeah, it arguably never applied. It was just fans filling in gaps based on Marathon.

humble yacht
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it carried over from Marathon initially but was redefined for 343's usage

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inb4 "um actually"

obsidian thistle
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So glad we removed that section on Halopedia ages ago. xD Was truly a mess.

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(IE I agree with ya lot)

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😉

humble yacht
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bungie played fast and loose with the term rampancy

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going so far as to call Chief "rampant" if you kill keyes on the bridge

obsidian thistle
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Saying this "While a metastable AI can be considered to be the holy grail of cybernetics research" was not particularly the best in terms of factual reading on Halopedia ages ago LOL.

versed helm
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Should've kept his magnum loaded

main rivet
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That's presumably a leftover from when Chief was actually a cyborg.

humble yacht
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he's still technically a cyborg

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you don't need to be half robot to be a cyborg

obsidian thistle
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(But ya know what they meant lol)

humble yacht
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it's obvious that bungie hadn't settled on a lot of lore yet when writing CE

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they called chief a "mark v" instead of saying he wore mark v armor

versed helm
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A machine

obsidian thistle
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They didnt even think a sequel would happen.

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I do wonder what Bungies original post Halo plan was.

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Before Halo 2 was thrust upon em.

versed helm
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Master chief gets lost in space then he gets thrown into a mysterious planet with a British flying forerunner trying to wipe out humanity

main rivet
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I'm not sure it was really "thrust" upon them. They wanted to go back and do things better than they had for CE.

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The "Halo 2 sucks in and kills every other project" stuff was certainly not the intent, of course.

carmine sleet
versed helm
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Mods

proud steeple
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I just watched noble team get destroyed

versed helm
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Rekt

proud steeple
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f

candid pecan
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although there were actually plans for a sequel that were scrapped

wispy wasp
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bungie didn't want to have to make another trilogy

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or at least more than they had to

humble yacht
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so yoroi is not canon

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or at least, not considered a "canon" reward

obsidian thistle
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Well it never said it wasnt "canon" 🙂

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More "lean into things further afield"

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Which could mean anything from

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"Crazy war games exclusive set made by a mad man" like Timmy and Olive lol

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To as said "non-canon"

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To also being a "very exclusive set"

humble yacht
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Sounds like it may come from another dimension or something

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Fractures

obsidian thistle
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So much to interpret lol

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From that word alone

fair hazel
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More details required, build more blogs.

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There's some nice manufacturer stuff

obsidian thistle
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Armory TEDTL S. A. B. apparently made GEN3 Mark VII? Huh always thought it was the Misriah Armory due to preexisting sources saying so.

viscid salmon
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UEG broke up the monopoly at long last.

obsidian thistle
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A Halopedian noticed it uses a logo deviation of the "Materials Group".

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Which is another group that worked on the GEN3 Mark VII.

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Sooo

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I suppose it may be a sub-division of Materials?

viscid salmon
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Huh. A subdivision of a subdivision.

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Where did they notice the logo? I'm looking at a picture of a Mk VII and I'm not seeing it just yet.

unique rune
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I think it's supposed to be Teotl SAB.
Thought Teotl might be a location but apparently it's a Nahuatl word with... divine associations.

obsidian thistle
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When I say logo btw

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I mean that one

fair hazel
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Wait, I'm sorry, I thought you just posted this on the spoiler channel

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@spiral jewel
"Dumb question CIA and Ericyboo...

As of 2560/2561, is the idea of Gen 3 Mark 4 Mjolnir even possible ?

I know Mark 5, Mark 5B and Mark 6 are compatible with the Gen 3 platform, but I wasn't sure if Mark 4 was compatible or not... though, as of 2560, I'm not sure who'd still be rocking Mark 4, aside from Red Team obviously."

spiral jewel
fair hazel
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I don't see why there couldn't be a mark IV variant for gen 3

long gulch
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i'm in constant pain

spiral jewel
long gulch
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So why does the covenant use grunts as their cannon fodder.

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is it because they can literally reproduce like bunnies/

fair hazel
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unggoy do reproduce fast, and were also relegated to low roles. Have you watched the alo anniversary terminals?

carmine sleet
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I have a feeling Mark IV will most likely make a return in Infinite, simply because it's a fan favourite

versed helm
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what does Cortana mean when she says it was the coin's fault in the last halo 3 terminal?

carmine sleet
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She's referencing the coin that Halsey flipped when she first met John

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Basically, if John hadn't guessed correctly which side it would land, he might've not been recruited for the S-II program

rancid viper
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Wait does chief’s suit actually

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Ya know

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Do the thing

gilded mason
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Of course not.

rancid viper
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As in the uh

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The not safe for work thing

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Idk if I can actually state what it is

gilded mason
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It does not.

rancid viper
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Wasn’t that in one of the novels or am I tripping

gilded mason
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I'm surprised that is still circulating around.

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And no.

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It was never there.

rancid viper
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Ah

versed helm
dusty prawn
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I thought it was obviously a joke to be taken lightly

dark granite
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is the fall of reach worth listening to before i play CE?

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or like at all?

versed helm
dark granite
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cool

versed helm
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The Halo CE manual provided context back in 2001 but good luck finding that nowaDays

obsidian thistle
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Its the weakest source tied directly to a game lol

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Halo 2 on the otherhand holds a lot better in the manual department lol

versed helm
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I've only read the 3, ODST and Reach manuals

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And Halo Wars 1

fallen carbon
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Anyone read the Forerunner trilogy books?

ocean sluice
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Spartan 1s (Orion): 100% Enhancements, 0% Tech (That i know of)

Spartan 2s: 50% Enhancements, 50% Tech.

Spartan 3s, 40% Enhancements, 60% Tech

Spartan 4's, 20% Enhancements, 80% Tech

versed helm
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Spartan 3s, no wonder they can't sprint for more than 5 seconds

humble yacht
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What do you mean by “tech”? Because most spartan 3s got worse armor than the spartan 2s. That’s what made them cheaper: the SPI armor

versed helm
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What were the enhancements of spartan 4s? Just steroids?

humble yacht
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Halopedia is your friend

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It’s a lot more than steroids

carmine sleet
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Some organs were replaced last I checked

versed helm
humble yacht
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they didn't say anything about cheaper

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safer? yes. compatible with adults? yes. cheaper? probably not

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besides, the cost of making a spartan never had much to do with the augmentations. it was about the armor. because back in Chief's day, a suit of MJOLNIR cost about as much as a starship

versed helm
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Oops sorry about the ping

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My bad

humble yacht
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because of the armor

gaunt oakBOT
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versed helm
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Here's a thought, what if the unknown ship that crash landed on Installation 04 was nothing more than a figment of Spark's imagination, like do we see that sarcophagus that was built around the ship again?

obsidian thistle
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Well... other Aliens appear and just outright leave I04. And other mystery aliens have appeared in Halo.

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So the crashed ship isnt impossible

last anchor
#

100,000 years is a long, long time.

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Plenty of time for other races to rise and fall and appear and vanish.

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Remember; the entire recorded history of the Star Wars Legends verse existed within a shorter timespan than that Im fairly certain.

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And of course we have stuff like the Yonhett

light sleet
pulsar pivot
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If Nova Bombs were so effective how come we only see 2 of them go off in the known halo universe

unique rune
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They're probably expensive, and usually when you're defending territory you don't want to destroy said territory along with the enemy.

pulsar pivot
#

Kamikaze

unique rune
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Not really a good idea to regularly use those kinds of tactics against an enemy who you don't even know the full extent of.

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Especially in a war for survival.

last anchor
pulsar pivot
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It was a Joke

gentle violet
#

it is

last anchor
# gentle violet it is

We still going on about this one?
Someone find the kid who made that one up and force feed him the entire contents of Fall of Reach. Like, physically.
The entire book.

last anchor
# pulsar pivot It was a Joke

Mmm. Probably not best to ask a question that can be taken seriously or as a joke in the lore tab of the main Halo server Id say.

gentle violet
pulsar pivot
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Touche

last anchor
fallen carbon
boreal bane
fair hazel
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Rubicon Protocol !

humble yacht
#

New novel basically is Fall of Zeta

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Lol

last anchor
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Wait what?

fair hazel
last anchor
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Didnt they just put a Canon Fodder out?
...KG writing SPARTANS?!
Oh this outta be good...

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Wonder if Rubicons a reference to the ship Spark hijacked.

fair hazel
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My wondering too

last anchor
#

Considering how big a part KG played in tying up the thread of the Rubicon that Bear left hanging I presume it must.

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Emerson Tactical Systems

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New production company!

carmine sleet
#

Emerson was first mentioned in Halo 5

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They're the people behind the Void Dancer armour

humble yacht
#

seems like spark would cut off communications

fair hazel
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Oh I found the art without the text

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Beautiful

last anchor
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Man, they're really goin hard on the Pacific Northwest look with the pines and the smaller shrubs.
Looks like Olympic National Park.

last anchor
humble yacht
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sloppy job on spark's end

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smh

last anchor
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They also picked up the ships signal when it crashed, but Rion beat them to it first.

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To be entirely fair, Spark did kinda eat a laser to the face (or, technically, several). So he probably wasnt exactly 100% thinkin right.

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Theres a question for the lore nots; how many laser shots does it take to crack a monitor casing?

humble yacht
#

technically 2

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we saw damage as early as chief's 1st shot, which was technically the second laser

last anchor
#

True.

versed helm
unique rune
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Man, I am still not particularly happy with the GEN3 Anubis helmet design.

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Kinda neat that they're still going with the Greek letter designations for Mk.V variants.
Little weirded out by it reusing Chief's H4/5 visor design though.

gilded mason
unique rune
#

Yeah. Good to see that bit from the Halo 5 helmet flavor text is being expanded on.

stable flower
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How many novels are we gonna get?

gilded mason
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What do you mean?

humble yacht
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There’s no way to answer that question

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Halo novels will continue to be produced so long as there is a market for them

last anchor
#

Considering most of them hit the best seller list, and the fanbase is large enough to support them, we'll probably reach a Star Wars style critical mass eventually where the mere profit of one is enough to cause a new one to be written.

fair hazel
#

They do hit the best seller lists?

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I have no idea what the sales and financials are

last anchor
#

Well a lot of the covers have "New York Times Best Seller" on them.

dawn knot
#

Everything does

dawn veldt
#

I feel like every book has the New York Times sticker tho, I’m not as big of a reader as I once was

wispy wasp
#

Can't you legit buy the "new york times best seller" title?

main rivet
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You can game it.

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As in, coordinate everyone buying your book at the same time to goose its ranking.

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I don't doubt the books that charted on bestseller lists were actually best sellers though. MS isn't trying to goose their own stats, they just want to sell the books.

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I hadn't heard recent Halo novels charting on bestseller lists until Shadows of Reach.

light sleet
last anchor
#

They still making money either way or they wouldnt still be making them.

fair hazel
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It is isn't it

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i really want them to be profitable well for all the reasons necessairy

last anchor
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That, I dont think will be an issue truly.

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Say what you will about "best sales" and "best game" or whatever, if the produt sells enough to make a profit, we'll keep getting more.
Fine by me.

austere cairn
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So I heard the flood originated from the precursors that turned to dust

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Aaaand, I also heard they went out of the galaxy and now I can't stop thinking how the flood could have (over the course of a hundred thousand years) consumed countless planets and their inhabitants

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Which makes me question, why have a gravemind in a halo ring, couldn't they have just put it on a remote planet so it can't be destroyed?

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But since from what I understand, the gravemind was destroyed on the ark (dont know if it true but I'm going with it) and if the flood returns I assume its possible to make another gravemind on zeta halo or another planet/ring
Idk, just thinking

austere cairn
#

In halo ce anniversary when the 2 unsc cremated wake up the masterchief the one typing on the keyboard uses ctrl+alt with a bunch of random letters, I know this because I just watched it

humble yacht
#

to make a gravemind, you need a lot of biomass

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remote planets probably don't have enough living things to make a gravemind

fair hazel
#

the gravemind happened on the local infestation

last anchor
#

There can be multiple graveminds as well. When multiple form, they grow larger, becoming key minds, incredibly powerful coordinators of the Flood.

last anchor
austere cairn
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dang

gilded mason
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So a Gravemind would be the most advanced type of Keymind

hoary fossil
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What is zeta halo?

last anchor
#

Instillation 07. Last of the OG Halo Array, currently one of the Secondary. Probably the most troubled of the Halo instillations.

last anchor
gilded mason
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Yeh

lone pelican
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Ok! So I finished the Audio log storyline on ODST, what I don’t get is that last part with the marine in the data hive, why was he hostile after I found the last audio log, what happened to Sadie and her cop friend?

gilded mason
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Sadie and him left the city by train

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The cop was hostile because he was sent to make sure her dad was killed by Kinsler, as he worked for him, as said by his dialogue.

lone pelican
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Oh snappers, I didn’t realize, so then she’s alive at least too, well at the time of the game

gilded mason
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Yes.

humble yacht
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Sadie lives

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Later she works for ONI

lone pelican
#

Is she ever mentioned in any other halo game?

gilded mason
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Nope

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Though she was in later books

lone pelican
#

Sssiiiiiick, and roookie did the little whistle!

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This it the greatest moment ever

teal spoke
#

Whats the lore of the headhunters?

obsidian thistle
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Depends on the Headhunters

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If your talking about them overall.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Headhunters

Halopedia
Headhunters

The Headhunters are a covert group of Spartan-III special operations squads, later reorganized to include Spartan-IV operatives as well. Two Headhunter teams participated in a failed mission on an unidentified Covenant-occupied moon, with notable members including Jonah-B283 and Roland-B210.

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There I suppose you can learn about most bar 1 who doesnt have a page yet. (But that ones lore is, they exist and were at Gamma Halo and they saved another Headhunter. The end)

torpid lily
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idk if this is a dumb question, but how did the gravemind actually die

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i understand that it destroyed with the activation of halo

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but wasnt it on the ark?

bitter current
#

I believe
Flood-e-fied High Charity on the Ark has further storyline in Halo Wars 2

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*Flood in general

wispy wasp
#

Why is it that unsc operations are all in uppercase

bitter current
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because they're all acronyms

unique rune
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I’m… pretty sure no named UNSC operation has been an acronym.

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Making something out of RED FLAG or FIRST STRIKE would be incredibly contrived and sound really stupid.

Especially since FIRST STRIKE was practically named on the fly.

bitter current
#

wait

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I thought you meant like

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ONI, ODST, UNSC

weak lynx
#

so what happen to Halsey after halo reach? and why is she in prison by the time of halo 4?

viscid trout
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Oni

unique rune
ocean sluice
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Headhunters are like the spec ops of spartans

weak lynx
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so she went to some shield world to save Spartans, ok.

versed helm
#

So what could've happened to Harvest after the war?

unique rune
#

Probably not a whole lot. Maybe undergoing deglassing and recovery operations like Meridian or Reach if someone thinks it’s important enough.

versed helm
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Considering that it's the planet where the war started

tulip ravine
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anyone think flood is gonna be back in infinite

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?

gilded mason
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Nope

tulip ravine
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yeah, same unfortunately

gilded mason
#

Fortunately, for me

tulip ravine
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lol, do you not like playing against it?

gilded mason
#

The Flood would just be extraneous in Infinite

tulip ravine
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I guess, they are already dealing with cortana and the banished

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im just hungry for more information on them and the precursors

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i just hope infinite is well received so we can get another halo game and get a final conclusion with the flood

wispy wasp
#

What happened to johnson and arby between 2 and 3?

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wait, i can just look this up

dense gorge
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nope nope nope nope plz dont

wispy wasp
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too late, lmao

bitter current
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What happened?

native stirrup
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he ran out of blunt

strong sage
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Sooo uhhh i was wondering is it possible we might encounter Red team on infinite? Or they got stuck on a diff Halo instead? I forgot tbh

humble yacht
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Red team is on the ark

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Still fighting Banished there. It’s possible they’ll show up in the next book

strong sage
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Is it possible that as well we might link them up in the game? Considering its a 10 year development

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I always got confused arks and with halos lol

humble yacht
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There’s no way to tell what will happen with infinite over the period of the game’s life

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But I’m pretty confident we will not be going to the ark in the main story

bitter current
#

Halo Wars 2 campaign could be very closely related- well actually it already is, related to infinite.

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I've just gotta buy the flood DLC and finish that campaign

humble yacht
#

It’s not that closely related

main rivet
#

Yeah I'm kind of confused the log line for the new book doesn't mention SoF in any way. Maybe they're just leaving it out because it's not really important to the Ferret team books, but I don't see how you can go to the Ark and not have them involved.

foggy forge
#

Whats the difference between unsc army and marine corps?

versed helm
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Army is generally land based, navy is aquatic (and Space), Marines are both

tacit flame
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ok so, in the halo reach mission; "The Package", the player sees a Forerunner ship of some kind, is it possible that the data recovered from the ship could be what allows the Infinity to be built?

carmine sleet
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The data from that ship isn't responsible for the Infinity

tacit flame
#

just Cortana?

carmine sleet
#

Cortana wasn't made using data from that ship either

tacit flame
#

wait yeah

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ok so what is so important about that ship

carmine sleet
#

The data recovered from the ship, along with data recovered from an artefact from Sigma Octanius, allowed Cortana to plot a "random" jump leading to Alpha Halo

tacit flame
#

o

carmine sleet
#

Additionally, the Starfire VISR system was created using data from the same ship

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Outside of that, it's gonna take years for the UNSC to decrypt all the data

tacit flame
#

Starfire VISR?

carmine sleet
#

It's one of the visor options in Halo 5

foggy forge
#

Im kinda confused, in halo reach noble 6 is given cortana who then gives it to captain keyes, but in The Fall Of Reach the Master Chief had Cortana before that...

carmine sleet
#

The version of Cortana seen in Reach was split off of Cortana to help with handling the data from the ship under Sword Base

primal bone
#

Hello, Im reading Broken Circle and, at the start (37% of the book), they found a Lumminaire (in french). I dont understand what they found. Was it a Monitor?

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In english they call it "Luminary"

craggy sierra
#

The dragon quest 11 protagonist?

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Guess the covenant are DQ fans

versed helm
#

Can't blame them

versed helm
#

Before the Schism, had any Covenant members helped humanity or was friendly to humans

humble yacht
#

Not really

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I suppose there was Henry on the Mona Lisa, but that was an extenuating circumstance

versed helm
#

Henry, lost but never forgotten

main rivet
versed helm
#

I wonder whatever became of Sigma Octanus IV after the war

primal bone
last anchor
#

Once Cote Di Azure was no longer a glowing smoking crater they probably sent in reconstruction efforts to rebuild it

fair hazel
pine sage
#

honestly, with anders encountering a guardian, would it be possible that the Created found out about the conflict on the ark and simply intervened?

humble yacht
#

Unlikely

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It’s most likely that the guardian detected something moving through slipspace and yanked it out

pine sage
#

Cortana did say she was going to force peace and she did have control over the guardians. I don't think it would really be a stretch for a guardian to be sent to the ark

humble yacht
#

It would be a long trip, and she doesn’t necessarily have a reason to be suspicious about it

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Also, the ark is outside the galaxy. Not like there is life there to monitor

pine sage
#

there is. The UNSC personnel of the sprit of fire and the Banished. And the spirit of fire crew sent the newly forged Halo ring out to where 04 is because there was a UNSC comm beacon within range in that area. Cortana would learn of the new ring via the guardian and how it got sent out. That would bring up some curiosity, i think.

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Because the ring was MANUALLY sent out.

humble yacht
#

I meant planetary populations of life

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Cortana knows that the ark makes rings, that’s not exactly news.

pine sage
#

yes but the replacement ring [the second replacement by the way] wasn't sent automatically, but manually. And even if her info on the ark is otherwise out of date, she'd know that there would be a modern UNSC presence on it to start with.

#

definitely something to think about.

humble yacht
#

It would have been sent automatically

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The ark doesn’t need someone there to tell the ring’s where to go

pine sage
#

except Anders is the one who took control and sent it out herself

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Manually

humble yacht
#

so actually

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i just read through the transcripts of the level. Anders didn't do anything about the ring's destination. all she did was disable its firing mechanism and plant a signal beacon. And she did all that before the ring took off, which it did automatically and she had no way of stopping it

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also, she found a way to detach sections of the ring to get rid of the banished, but that again is separate from affecting its launch

pine sage
#

ah

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so i misunderstood

waxen anchor
#

Is there any lore as to what happened after Halo Wars 2’s ending

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Like what happened to the SoF and the remaining Banished forces

humble yacht
#

in shadows of reach, escharum opens a portal to the ark on reach and atriox comes through. castor and his Keepers then go through to end up at the ark

waxen anchor
#

bruh spoiler

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ok

humble yacht
#

sor has been out long enough to discuss it openly

pine sage
#

so basically the spirit of fire crew is still dealing with a lot of crap. Hope they end up getting reinforce or, better yet, relieved.

waxen anchor
#

yeah but i was asking if there was any lore on it

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not what the lore was

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its okay

pine sage
#

i haven't read it either, honestly

viscid salmon
#

When in doubt, ||spoiler tags|| always work

versed helm
#

||not wrong||

void oar
#

What halo ring is tempest set on?

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The multiplayer map from halo reach

viscid salmon
#

Good question. Could be any one of them really. Same one I imagine Forge World is on. If I had to bet? 04.

unique rune
#

Seems to be unspecified, officially.

void oar
#

Yeah I thought it was forge world ofc but isn’t forge world just apart of installation 04 or just a non canon name?

chilly marsh
carmine sleet
#

What's your source on it being on Zeta?

unique rune
viscid salmon
#

Well... Forge World appears in Fireteam Raven.

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If, and this is a big if, they're the same, well... there you go.

chilly marsh
#

I may have gotten the books mixed up

#

You said Tempest right? Not Rubicon Protocol?

viscid salmon
#

Tempest is a multiplayer map in Halo Reach

chilly marsh
#

OH

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I thought it was an upcoming halo book.

viscid salmon
#

Nah, this is older stuff

chilly marsh
#

Well to answer your question the location of the map is unknown.

chilly marsh
viscid salmon
#

If Forge World is the same as the level in Fireteam Raven, then we know that the ring, at least in that map, is Installtion 04

chilly marsh
#

Looking at it now, it says “Unknown Halo Installation.”

viscid salmon
#

"Implied"

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Well, we also have a Firefight map for sure set on Installation 04

#

And considering the epilogue, Reach is very much connected with that ring

chilly marsh
#

It’s possible

viscid salmon
#

Nothing is confirmed, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's Alpha Halo

carmine sleet
viscid salmon
#

"Epilogue is the eleventh level of Halo: Reach's campaign. It does not contain actual gameplay, instead only a cutscene depicting the arrival of the UNSC Pillar of Autumn at Installation 04, similarly to the opening cutscene of the Halo: Combat Evolved level The Pillar of Autumn."

#

Lone Wolf is it's own level entirely.

carmine sleet
#

I know

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Also, are you trying to figure out if the Firefight map Installation 04 is set on Installation 04? Because the name alone is confirmation enough. The cutscene of the Autumn arriving at Alpha Halo has nothing to do with confirming if the map is on that ring

viscid salmon
#

It does established the thematic link. I always assume that maps in Halo CE are set on 04. I always assume maps set on rings in 2 are Installation 05. 3 on the Ark.

#

In Reach, only other ring we see is 04.

#

I don't particularly care if it's officially unconfirmed. It makes most sense to me it's the ring in CE.

#

On the flip side, rings have different biomes.

carmine sleet
#

Not every map in CE is set on Installation 04 though

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Like Boarding Action

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Or that one map filled with teleporters

viscid salmon
#

Ones with rings very likely are. I assumed my argument had context in that a ring had to be present.

#

Only one that really throws a wrench in my assumptions is 5.

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Since maps are explained through Waypoint entries or level descriptions to be on Installation 04 or 05

carmine sleet
#

So we're told where those maps are set. I don't see why you need to assume anything their locations

viscid salmon
#

Well, there's nothing to assume with them as compared to other rings, and 5 doesn't revolve around rings as a groundside location in the campaign per se. 5 is an exception to my line of thinking.

versed helm
#

Did the ark have its own Monitor?

viscid salmon
#

Absolutely.

gilded mason
#

Yeah

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Tragic Solitude.

viscid salmon
#

Not only that ||he used to be a living Forerunner||

versed helm
#

Idk some idiot keeps telling me its Mendicant.

carmine sleet
#

Most monitors used to be living Forerunners, with some exceptions

versed helm
#

I see.

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But because of the Ark's more significance over the Halo rings,Does the Ark's monitor seem,to put it vaguely,Different?

viscid salmon
#

Well he's repentant.

versed helm
#

Different, as in it's body,is it a different Model/Shape?

humble yacht
#

No

versed helm
#

I see.

humble yacht
#

Tragic solitude had a basic monitor shell, as far as we know

viscid salmon
#

This isn't an invalid question as Monitors do have different appearances depending on function.

versed helm
humble yacht
#

So far the only monitor we’ve seen with a unique shell to other monitors is the monitor of the absolute record

viscid salmon
#

But I agree with Dread.

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No, I mean Tragic is very broken up over what happened with the Flood and the Forerunners in general.

versed helm
#

Ah,I should have used "Shell".

viscid salmon
#

Part of the reason he took the job was to repent for his sins.

#

His apparent sins.

versed helm
viscid salmon
#

No, I mentioned Tragic, not Mendicant.

humble yacht
#

It’s not like he remembered any of that as tragic solitude

versed helm
#

Mendicant Bias.

viscid salmon
#

000 Tragic Solitude

versed helm
#

Oh nevermind.

viscid salmon
#

Well at least for a little while he did.

#

Maybe a little kernal of it remained, even if he didn't know what it meant. We know it comes through a bit in the terminals.

humble yacht
#

By the time hunters in the dark happens, all he cares about is the ark

#

And getting revenge on the humans

versed helm
#

Oh yeah one more thing.

#

Halo 3's Legendary Ending displayed the Dawn,drifting towards Requiem,Was that done by Bungie or 343?

humble yacht
#

Bungie

versed helm
#

That is,

#

just shocking.

humble yacht
#

Not really

versed helm
#

Never expected Bungie on the whole Shield World thing

humble yacht
#

In 2007 it wasn’t requiem yet, it was just some nameless forerunner planet

carmine sleet
#

I think the idea back in 2007 was more just "Hey, here's a Forerunner world", not necessarily a Shield world

versed helm
#

So it wasn't planned to be a shield world?

carmine sleet
#

We don't know

versed helm
#

Rather to be another Forerunner encounter by Chief

versed helm
humble yacht
#

Bungie left it somewhat open ended just to show that chief would continue to have adventures

carmine sleet
# versed helm Unfortunate.

It could've just as easily have been a world covered in Forerunner structures and you didn't need to tag me

viscid salmon
#

Huh. From what I'm gathering, both 000 and Mendicant both muscled in to the terminals.

versed helm
#

I mean apologies.

humble yacht
#

Tragic solitude didn’t have to muscle in

versed helm
viscid salmon
#

What I mean to say is that I thought it was one or the other.

#

Guess it was both.

#

Because well, Mendicant is listed by number.

humble yacht
#

Tragic solitude is the one who blocked spark’s access

viscid salmon
#

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing now.

humble yacht
#

Mendicant bias left secret messages to Chief in the terminals

viscid salmon
#

I'm reading through the terminals.

#

As for the fragment, apparently it was brought back to the Ark by way of the keyship

versed helm
#

As of Halo 3 Warthog Run,

humble yacht
#

Mendicant bias was fully reconstituted in halo 3

viscid salmon
#

Yeah it says they rejoined there I see.

versed helm
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Mendicant Bias was the one who did some things with the Ark's Genetic Blah blah thing which helped Master Chief's efforts escaping.

humble yacht
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No genetics

versed helm
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He just did something

viscid salmon
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Nah he kind of just acts like a tough guy every now and then.

humble yacht
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The implication is that Bias controlled the way the ring platforms fell so there was always a path

versed helm
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Like interfere with some of the Ark's protocols or something

humble yacht
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Also dude, you gotta disable pings when replying

viscid salmon
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Every time you have to do it.

versed helm
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Aight aight man'

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Got the message man.

viscid salmon
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It sucks, but you've got to be on that if you're replying to mods.

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Or Slip.

versed helm
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Oh dang.

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International Swears is also included.

viscid salmon
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Just remember, this is a Microsoft-blessed Discord.

versed helm
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Yes I get it.

humble yacht
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Keep it about lore, please

viscid salmon
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Really?

gaunt oakBOT
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Do not repost content that a Moderator has removed or post about moderation decisions. If you have a question or concern about a moderation decision, please send them a Direct Message.

versed helm
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Aight.

viscid salmon
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What I apparently was going to say is that don't use any language that you wouldn't use in a formal scenario.

humble yacht
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Keep it about lore

versed helm
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Best that you keep this out of lore.

void oar
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Why do the banished look different in halo infinite compared to their halo wars 2 appearance?

humble yacht
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We don’t know at this time

viscid salmon
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Think of it like this: they're scroungers.

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Scavengers

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That sort of thing defies a standardized form of design

humble yacht
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One possibility is that infinite is after when the banished started consolidating all the other covenant splinter groups under their banner

void oar
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Right but only after a year?

humble yacht
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Yep

void oar
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That seems way too quick

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Especially with the created stuff in the background

humble yacht
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Well the banished in halo wars 2 isn’t all the banished

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There were plenty more

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Doing other things while Atriox was at the ark

viscid salmon
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On a practical level, it's hard to also be standardized over such a wide area of space.

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It's easy to suspend disbelief on something like that I find.

unique rune
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The Covenant's equipment was never particularly uniform to begin with, so a group that spends most of its time picking up their leftovers would probably have a hard time trying to do standardize everything.

viscid salmon
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And the Banished steal from everyone.

void oar
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What’s left of jul mdama’s covenant probably joined the banished

viscid salmon
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So I find it quite possible that Banished over different areas of space can be different but kind of similar.

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Eh, I don't know about that.

void oar
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Wish we could see the banished fight some other covenant remnants

humble yacht
viscid salmon
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Jul's Covenant was very zealous.

gilded mason
void oar
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Eh maybe the desperate ones

viscid salmon
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Doesn't really fit the straightforward approach of the Banished I think.

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There are plenty of other splinter factions the Storm Covenant could have left for.

humble yacht
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Those elites were also probably still anti-brute

void oar
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Remember Decimus had a secret thing for the forerunners

viscid salmon
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Secret though

gilded mason
void oar
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I thought they hated brutes

gilded mason
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Apparently

humble yacht
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According to what

gilded mason
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I'll double check real quick

void oar
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I heard somewhere Jul hated brutes

viscid salmon
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"...and were also depicted in a UNSC Tactical Simulator using a few Jiralhanae as infantry."

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That's all I found.

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That simulator being Spartan Strike

gilded mason
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Ah yes.

viscid salmon
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Now, a simulation however isn't quite as indicative of actual combat makeup.

gilded mason
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So I guess all we have to go on is: is the simulator accurately retelling events?

viscid salmon
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Is any story ever truly accurate in a retelling?

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Or is it gussied up?

gilded mason
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(Though I don't see why it would add another entire species to a faction for no reason)

humble yacht
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Did spartan strike precede halo 4 or come after?

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Chronologically

viscid salmon
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'57

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That's the same year as 4, right? Hold on.

gilded mason
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Apparently during the events of Halo 4

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Right as John got to Ivanoff

viscid salmon
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That means Jul's Covenant was already in full swing.

humble yacht
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In that case I call it a faulty simulation

viscid salmon
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I wouldn't put it past programmers putting Brutes in just for kicks.

gilded mason
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Seems odd

viscid salmon
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Reality be darned and whatnot.

void oar
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Or simply

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Jul’s covenant worked with a very small number of brutes

viscid salmon
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"Remember kids, nothing is impossible, but it is not very likely."

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Your typo made me smile.

humble yacht
viscid salmon
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Jul's Covenant? No way. Now Jim on the other hand, he's an accepting guy.

uneven lion
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Agreed

void oar
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I hate auto correct

uneven lion
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ikr

viscid salmon
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That was most certainly a happy accident tho

void oar
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Not for me

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Yikes

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Jim from the office…..has a religious cult tashi

uneven lion
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“Jim’s covenant is the newest faction for Halo Infinite”

viscid salmon
void oar
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*Staple

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Keepers of the one staple

viscid salmon
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In any case

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I don't know, I think if Jul did take on Brutes, it would just make things a bit awkward for someone so caught up in zeal.

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Atriox is a bit different since he walked first

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He was fed up with the overbearing faith and said, "Hey, malcontents get in free".

humble yacht
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Jul couldn’t even make peace with his own people, how he supposed to do that with brutes

viscid salmon
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Brutes associated with the Covenant were also extremely religious, and that may have led to faith clashes if he brought too many of them in.

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At the end of the day, Jul 'Mdama was a chump who thought he was bigger than he was.

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He may have started strong, but finished weak.

gilded mason
viscid salmon
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Who was it? Linda? Was she the one who said Jul was no Prophet?

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I just don't think he had the presence to be a true unifying face of his Covenant

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It's why I think Atriox and by extension guys like Escherum work well as generals

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They don't need to be holy. They just need to lead their men.

void oar
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Do servants of the abiding truth and keepers of the one freedom have similar beliefs?

humble yacht
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Not really

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The keepers stick to the covenant beliefs

gilded mason
humble yacht
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The servants switched back to pre covenant traditional elite religion

gilded mason
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It's very much a cult of personality thing goin' on there

viscid salmon
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Maybe that the Forerunners are gods as a unifying concept.

viscid salmon
gilded mason
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If only lol

viscid salmon
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"Hand of Atriox" sounds like a quasi-religious order now that I think about it.

humble yacht
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I don’t think so

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Sounds more like a “hand of the king” thing

viscid salmon
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I mean it's obviously not, but I can see the cult of personality thing.

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White Hand of Saruman sounding thing.

humble yacht
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Sure but not a holy cult

viscid salmon
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Nah, Atriox would hate even the implication of that.

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Probably kill whoever said it too.

humble yacht
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He is certainly treated larger than life because of how he survived insurmountable odds on more than one occasion

void oar
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Atriox’s chosen and hand of Atriox

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Hmmm

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Sound like they serve a similar role

humble yacht
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Except that Atriox didn’t choose the members of his Hand

viscid salmon
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Could just be like a champion of Atriox sort of thing.

humble yacht
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Escharum did

void oar
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Oooh

viscid salmon
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Like formed in his name.

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Look, I get it's not a religious cult.

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But forming a group in a dude's name in absentia has twinges of it.

humble yacht
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He’s treated more like a famous pirate captain

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His men fear and respect him but not because they think he’s close to god

viscid salmon
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Now Pirate King I can buy 100%.

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He's still an idea, but a secular one.

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I was going to make a Big Brother comparison but I don't know if that's accurate.

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He does have eyes and ears everywhere in the Banished.

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I mean, I would too if your entire species' culture has ritualistic dueling to the death for power at any given time.

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He's pirate king for life.

versed helm
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So why does every depiction of Mars we see show it to still be a barren wasteland even though it was said to have been terraformed into essentially a second Earth?

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Thoughts?

stone prawn
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i just finished I love bees audio drama... i've hear everything from the ARG but never knew it was an audio drama lol

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heard*

white shore
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My only request for 343 is Space Diaper Customization... I mean Belt/Waist Armor choices. In a lore perspective which kind do you think would be most comfortable...

versed helm
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So what would happen if Truth, Mercy, and Regret never became Hierarchs at the beginning of the war with humanity?

foggy forge
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Do the Banished have any system of government over conquered worlds?

simple vessel
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What do marines do in their free time

obsidian thistle
obsidian thistle
foggy forge
obsidian thistle
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Hard to say. Atm there is a common goal. And thats what we have. It depends on the "colony" however it seems. As there is thrall colonies of Grunts.

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I will say

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I'd consider getting the Halo: Official Spartan Field Manual

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Sets the framework of stuff that may be expanded in Infinite and so on

wispy wasp
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Why were brutes completely absent from halo 4 and 5?

dark granite
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i think im going to give up on The Fall of Reach

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i do not like this book

carmine sleet
humble yacht
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But the only potential source claiming brutes were in Jul’s covenant at all was a simulation. It’s not like anyone actually ever saw brutes on Jul’s covenant first hand

dark granite
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am i the only one that thinks the pacing in fall of reach is wack?

limpid meadow
pine sage
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Brutes were used for labor on sanghelios when fighting broke out. Wouldn't be out of the question to say some would have served jul

halcyon tartan
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Quick question for you Lore guys. In Halo 2 you rescue a couple of Marines while on high charity. Do we know what happens to them after we move on to save Johnson and Miranda?

obsidian thistle
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They likely died unfortunately

halcyon tartan
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Oof

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We rescued them just for them to turn out to be bullet sponges RIP

main rivet
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Canonically all those marines you save in 343GS die too, them's just the breaks.

pine sage
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They're just your backup in the game till they get killed.

main rivet
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At least with Halo 2 since there's no "canonical" novelization you can pretend they might have found a way off High Charity. But yeah it seems unlikely.

halcyon tartan
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Imagine being rescued by THE Master Chief!
Only to be ditched when the flood appears

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Hell. If 343 published a book that mentioned that group I'll buy it

carmine sleet
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Chief didn't ditch them. They likely just died while helping Chief fight his way through High Charity

craggy sierra
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Just assume ever marine you meet in a game dies

fair hazel
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Stacker

lucid depot
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Hey how did arbiter leave the ship on halo 3 but chief stayed which ended up starting halo 4, never thought about it until now

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What's the lore not shown In the games

uneven lion
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It might have been due to the fact that Forward Unto Dawn split in half as the portal collapsed

unique rune
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Yeah it pretty much shows you in Halo 3. Thel heads up to the bridge while Chief stayed in the cargo hold. Forward half of the Dawn makes it through the portal as intended, aft end somehow exits slipspace and drifts.

gilded mason
unique rune
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Shhh we don’t talk about that part

gilded mason
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lol

timid skiff
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guys, what was the first time the UNSC humans learnt about ancient humanity? and what was the first thing they found from the ancient humanity?

carmine sleet
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Arby just somehow teleported to the front to avoid being stuck in the aft section, we just don't ask how

gilded mason
gilded mason
timid skiff
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imagine being a human in 2552 and then you learn your race had a glorious past of a interstellar empire

timid skiff
versed helm
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So whatever became of the Pheru?, did they go extinct?

humble yacht
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yep

versed helm
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That's a shame

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Cryptum basically described the status of Faun Hakkor, an ecological dead zone

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I wonder what other worlds throughout the Milky Way Galaxy are ecological dead zones

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So if Bastion was built to resemble Earth, is it possible that it might've been seeded with Earth biota?

terse lava
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Perhaps

versed helm
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The banished being a faction that is open to humans,yet likely humans rejected the Banished due to their violent behavior and their merciless blood,were there any Humans in the Banished?

gilded mason
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Probably, before Infinite/SoR changed things.

humble yacht
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even back before Atriox developed a disdain for humans (likely more due to HW2 than SoR), it was never said that humans were in the banished. at most, the banished were simply open to working with criminal enterprises

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the only suggestion that humans could have been a part of the banished is that Atriox didn't harbor a particular prejudice against humans like the Covenant did

gilded mason
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likely more due to HW2
I mean, would that mean if the SoS was at the Ark instead of the SoF, he'd get rid of all of his Elites afterwards?

humble yacht
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we don't know atriox is the one seeking removal of all humans

gilded mason
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SoR showed that he hates humans and Castor apparently figured he'd have to sacrifice them because of Atriox.

humble yacht
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yea, after humans ruined his Ark campaign, I could see how he'd be pissed at them

gilded mason
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Doesn't really make any sense

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Considering his previous characterization

humble yacht
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it's not like he loved humans

gilded mason
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He spent a whole issue of Rise of Atriox telling enemy humans he bears no ill will against them for killing his fellow brutes.

humble yacht
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he was, at best, neutral to them as a whole

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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maybe it hits different when they go against his personal interests as opposed to when he's just ordered to fight them on behalf of some faith he doesn't really believe in

gilded mason
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Again though, could you see him getting rid of all of his Elites if the SoS was at the Ark instead?

humble yacht
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i could see him getting rid of all the SoS

gilded mason
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What about every Elite?

humble yacht
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probably not, but its not like the banished are going around killing civilians indiscriminantly

gilded mason
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No, but he wouldn't even entertain the idea of allied humans in SoR.

humble yacht
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Atriox drilled in on the Ferrets because he didn't expect Castor to be trying to board them on one of his ships

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its not like SoR gave us a deep dive into that animosity he displayed; it was a rather brief moment. and his beef in that moment was more directed at Castor than the humans themselves

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kinda like if you bring you pet over to my house and the pet ruins my couch. i'd be more mad at you

gilded mason
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Castor started across the terrace, not acknowledging the cluster of Kig-Yar, Unggoy, and humans behind him. If Escharum had spoken the truth about who would be arriving with the Lich, it was better that they stayed out of the way until the time came to board. The Kig-Yar and Unggoy, Atriox could tolerate.

The humans, though, Castor would be forced to sacrifice.
Castor knows Atriox well. And if he thinks this about his temperament even before anything has gone "wrong", then that is telling. And I doubt Castor would know that Atriox's opinions on humans have "changed" after events on the Ark that he is not aware of.

humble yacht
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castor is also a religious zealot. atriox has no interest with sacrifice

gilded mason
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Not ritually sacrifice.

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More of a "Disgusting humans. Kill them, Castor, they are an affront to my presence" sort of deal

humble yacht
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well, it wouldn't be the first time a character was basically rewritten

gilded mason
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Yes.

humble yacht
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still, even pre-SoR atriox wouldn't have necessarily let humans join the banished, even if he tolerated them

gilded mason
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There's no reason for that line in the Manual if he didn't allow them entry.

humble yacht
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for one thing, the manual is written from the perspective of a UNSC agent (ONI, i guess)

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even the best ONI intelligence on the banished isn't going to have a complete understanding of atriox's motivations

gilded mason
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Yes, but there's no reason from a narrative-perspective to say that if it was not true.

humble yacht
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for another, iirc the manual talked about the potential for humans to be in the banished, not simply a confirmation

gilded mason
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It also talked about Lekgolo joining the banished, potentially

wispy wasp
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isn't halo 4s depiction of the foward into dawn like semi-cannon or something?

humble yacht
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you mean the shape of the ship?

gilded mason
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The ship that is there is a canon one. It's just not what the Dawn actually is, in canon

wispy wasp
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oh, that's what it was then

humble yacht
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they play fast and loose with the interior to make it more suitable for a game level, just like bungie did with the PoA in The Maw

wispy wasp
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damn, the unhalved version of the halo 4 foward into dawn looks so wack

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it's a completely different ship

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actually, it's somewhat similiar

humble yacht
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it's more in line with PoA style ships

pine sage
versed helm
humble yacht
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It makes sense because they literally need humans for their ultimate goal

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Hard to start a great journey without one

main rivet
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(As is, the missile you fire doesn't fit in the 'new' Dawn either... so why bother, again?)

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So much of the cool reception to Halo 4 was down to tweaks they didn't need to make (changing established sounds and look and feel, even down to the typefaces they used for the interface.)

pine sage
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i just hated the jarring art style and how FUGLY the new pelicans are.

main rivet
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I like them as gunships, but as transports they seem odd (sealed cockpits, etc.)

pine sage
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i like the old pelicans better

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and we're getting back to the old pelicans in infinite

craggy sierra
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I really don't get having that much of an emotional reaction to style changes between game sequels

pine sage
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the style change was really jarring especially with the sangheili

craggy sierra
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So was windwaker's and I lived through that

pine sage
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not a legend of zelda buff. Halo's more my speed

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i wonder if the pelican dropship is possible with today's technology, though

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I'm still waiting for gun manufacturers to try to tap into the nerd market by trying to make some of the UNSC weapons

craggy sierra
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They won't cause literally every UNSC gun is terribly made

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Also the BR is literally just a FAMAS with an ACOG so that already exists

versed helm
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Is there any particular reason why everyone human(Except Sara and the Pilot) has morphed into Americans?Or are there still mixed races(French,Somalian,Guyanese,Cambodian,etc.) just developed American Accents?I'm just curious if something happened.

humble yacht
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Jun, Jorge, and Kat didn’t have American accents

stable flower
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UNSC needs more domestic energy weaponry

versed helm
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Well I guess I'd Include them.But other than that Hungarian Girl and the pilot,

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It lacks interracial people.Thats whats lacking most Human World Governemnt

versed helm
humble yacht
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Interracial is the wrong term to describe people

viscid salmon
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But there are very much different cultures.

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And after 500 years, new cultures are likely to form.

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Also... Johnson exists.

stable flower
viscid salmon
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Or are we just saying national culture?

versed helm
viscid salmon
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Considering it's an American game made in America I think I can understand there just being one culture out of pragmatism from a developmental standpoint.

versed helm
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Im ment like,

viscid salmon
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Also Lian Devereux and Zheng Hao Lopez

versed helm
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French people having French accents.

viscid salmon
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Junjie Chen

stable flower
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There's Chips Dubbo, Mendoza, and Perez.

viscid salmon
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Languages would likely depend on the country that settled the planet.

stable flower
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Also Paolo J. Jimenez

viscid salmon
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The entirety of the freaking Rubble

stable flower
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^

viscid salmon
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Space is big ight?

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There's more than enough room for cultures to form in two to three hundred years.

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Also Srin Osman is Turkish.

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A commonly spoken language is not necessarily a culture.

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Also, English seems very likely the Pilot's second language.

versed helm
viscid salmon
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Possibly

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Or from a planet that has a culture where Spanish or a similar Romance language is spoken.

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Oh my God, what if he's Ignacio Delgado

versed helm
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Unlikely.

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Which brings the question,

viscid salmon
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No yeah, that was 20 years ago.

versed helm
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Is Holly Tanaka Japanese?

viscid salmon
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Japanese in what sense.

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She wasn't born in Japan.

versed helm
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Is his ancestor Japanese?

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Her*

viscid salmon
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Tanaka is a very common Japanese surname.

versed helm
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I have problems with Pronouns.

versed helm
viscid salmon
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Uh.

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Hold on.

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Halopedia explicitly states African and East Asian

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There's a family photo on her article if you really want to know.

versed helm
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Damn.

pine sage
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i wouldn't mind seeing the Reach shotgun

stable flower
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It's pump-action. And a lot of weapons that are not variants of a parent weapon are identical to others (M90 and M45 TS, M7 and M20/PDW, M6 and M40)

pine sage
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it's also top-fed. A mechanism that isn't common

viscid salmon
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But not unheard of. The Neostead 2000 says hello.

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Now that is a unicorn.