#lore-and-universe

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obsidian thistle
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Oh it was intended.

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xD

last anchor
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As there was a Warthog-like vehicle in the game Star Hawk that had the title Razorback.

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But maybe they did actually go all the way back to ILB

obsidian thistle
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343i go back to ILBs all the time.

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They nab parts they like from it.

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The easiest thing for me to find not from Infinite is "Alt Burgundy".

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That first appeared in ILBs then later Smoke and Shadow.

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The Colony of "Minister" also first appeared in ILBs and was the one of the first ILBs refs in a 343i lead project appearing in Evolutions. And later being the homeworld of Jerome-092.

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So to say 343i doesnt look back at ILBs would be heavily wrong aha.

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@last anchor

viscid salmon
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SPDR came out of ilb.

obsidian thistle
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Thats too obvious lol ;D I was going for obscure cause it shows a good picture of how deep it goes

viscid salmon
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It's actually quite interesting that 343 leans into it as a source of info.

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Professional Moons League spin off when?

obsidian thistle
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I am a fan of the Galactic Grifball League.

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(Gosh I so love thats a thing, I'd honestly watch that)

last anchor
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I was wondering about that honesly. If its in the game is it canon?
Or is it one of those dubious canon things like the old FOTUS descriptions

empty portal
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Went back and played the original trilogy. Back in the old days, it feels like Bungie had some different plans for the series that got retconned later, was wondering what you guys think

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First, why have chief enter cryo on such a short ride from Reach to Halo? Felt more like they were going for a mythological warrior feel there

gilded mason
last anchor
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The trip from Reach to 04 took ~two weeks.

empty portal
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Do you think they had any further plans for chief or they just wanted to be cool? Lol

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Because it's basically just Doom guy otherwise, which is a big inspiration for them clearly

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Low key kinda wish they made it Doom guy mythos like

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But Chief is legendary in his own way so it's all good

unique rune
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it feels like Bungie had some different plans for the series
Sometimes it feels like they didn't have plans at all

obsidian glacier
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Bungies big problem is that there ambition was always much bigger then there capabilities

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Halo 3 is a prime example of that

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So the world building got screwed over a bunch

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The only games that didn’t mess up in my opinion were CE and ODST

empty portal
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Too much content cut on the ark?

obsidian glacier
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Yup

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All there plans to flesh out the forerunners cut

empty portal
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I do remember when 343 took over and I got disappointed with the direction they took the background lore

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Humans definitely were plan to be the descendants of 4Runners at one point

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Lol

obsidian glacier
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Eh

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I don’t think so

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I think that’s one of the few good lore decisions 343 has done

unique rune
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Bungie had evidently had the idea towards the beginning but gradually they shifted towards making them separate

obsidian glacier
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It was a good direction to take the forerunners

empty portal
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I'm not complaining nowadays

unique rune
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By the time of Halo 3 and its associated marketing material Bungie had pretty definitively separated the two

obsidian glacier
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Yeah

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343 just fleshed it out

empty portal
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Though I'd have to say why the 4Runners decided to not reseed themselves

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Little silly

unique rune
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I think it makes enough sense

obsidian glacier
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Because they thought they messed up too bad to deserve to be reseeded

unique rune
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They'd largely failed in their duty to protect the galaxy

obsidian glacier
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And instead did humanity since they were the actual receivers of the mantle

empty portal
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My other thing I found going back through the games that struck me as odd where the ruins and Halo 2

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Why are there a bunch of stone structures encapsulated in 4Runner structures on a pseudo volcanic crater

unique rune
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Preservation

empty portal
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That seems to be the official explanation

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But again it feels like they had bigger plans for that storyline

unique rune
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I wouldn't be surprised if they just thought it'd look cool and wanted to leave it open-ended for speculation

empty portal
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Bungie in a nutshell

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When left to their own devices, you get destiny 1 lore and that lmao

viscid salmon
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"I've seen things... seen things you little people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium... I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments... they'll be gone"

cunning mural
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Does anyone have a full time line for the books

humble yacht
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Halopedia does, I’m sure

cunning mural
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Ok thanks

obsidian thistle
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What sorta timeline ya after? @cunning mural

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If its a book order.

cunning mural
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Yes

obsidian thistle
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I never recommend canon order unless you are very experienced in the fiction to want to go that route. Its not as fun as you are jumping round plotlines like nothing on Earth lol

cunning mural
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Ok

obsidian thistle
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I personally recommend the "series" approach.

cunning mural
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Thanks

obsidian thistle
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Allows you to start at a few places and not worry about.
•Jumping around plotlines
•Reading 20 books to one you wanna read.

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Just dont start at the Forerunner Saga

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Its a great read. But thats what I'd dub deeper reading. You'd wanna be into the fiction to a degree to read that and understand it

cunning mural
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I'm almost done with the fall of reach and I was wondering what to read next

obsidian thistle
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Well the original 4 books give a pretty good narative.

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And do give a great framework of understanding for the rest of the novels

cunning mural
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Boring 4 books?

obsidian thistle
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Autocorrect turned on xD

cunning mural
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Oh

versed helm
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wow thats a lot of info on ILBS! thanks guys :))

stable flower
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Is there an in-universe reason for why Arbiter can hear marines talking over the radio in Sacred Icon?

hard stratus
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Who the heck is ally and why is he in every halo level

unique rune
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...Who?

hard stratus
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Ally

unique rune
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Do you have any more descriptors of whoever this is beyond whatever this... basically not a name is?

dawn knot
hard stratus
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Ally

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When you go over a marine and there holding a weapon it ask if you want to switch weapons with ally

dawn knot
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😐

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Really?

hard stratus
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Yes

versed helm
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Ally is just another word for friend.

hard stratus
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Oh

unique rune
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Teammate, comrade, etc

hard stratus
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Oh ok

pastel cargo
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🇱

twin obsidian
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Has Serin Osman and MC ever interacted with each other? If yes, hows the relationship and in case they don't, how would they behave?

slim thorn
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Only during their days as a child where John teases Serin for eating leftovers.

obsidian thistle
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Ah its so nice to have a new piece of Anvil Station fiction

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Honestly dont get enough Human and Elite working together fiction

wispy wasp
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I really hope we get to see more of anvil in infinite

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Or at least what became of it

versed helm
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Oh you said we don't get enough of it yeah we don't my bad

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I thought you said Why can't we get humans and elites working together

fair hazel
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That piece was really good

unique rune
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The wait for today’s Canon Fodder is gonna kill me

last anchor
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Same

soft whale
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Anyone know when the Canon Fodder article is dropping?

humble yacht
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Sometime today

soft whale
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😐

last anchor
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The wait continues XD

coarse axle
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What's Canon Fodder?

unique rune
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Lore articles published on Halo Waypoint

coarse axle
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Oh that's awesome I'll have to check it out

unique rune
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Used to be a regular weekly thing, now they just go up whenever

versed helm
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halo waypoint is still a thing?

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i thought it was a 360 app that died

coarse axle
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No Waypoint as an app did die out I think but the website is still very much alive

versed helm
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oh okay :)

fair hazel
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We wait on for it.

boreal bane
fair hazel
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Yay! I read it

limpid meadow
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So much good info in there!

obsidian thistle
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I am blown away with how there is toy lore incorporated into Infinite

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Thats a first in terms of a obscure toy doing that

viscid trout
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Which toy is it?

obsidian thistle
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That Mcfarlane Golden Master Chief one from... I wanna say 2007.

fair hazel
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What piece of toy lore

obsidian thistle
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Project Rebirth

ripe crow
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Halo oblivion spoilers ||is nizat about to become an arbiter...?||

obsidian thistle
fair hazel
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Ah project rebirth, yeah it was also in legacy of onyx

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with all the i love bees references and this, its so good

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i thought the H2 O2 poster was in turf but it wasnt, it was just somethign similar

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I tought this was

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https://www.halopedia.org/Oh2-Hnzu

Halopedia
Oh2-Hnzu

Oh2-Hnzu was a collection of stores found throughout Old Mombasa. They appeared to be small convenience stores, usually located on street corners.
At least two locations were situated in Liberty Street, both of which were abandoned during the Battle of Earth. Neither location was damaged during the battle, though one of them was dangerously clos...

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Looking over for the poster, but I found a haller street, likely named after "Originally it was called the Bamburi Nature Trail, but has recently been renamed Haller Park in honour of Dr. Rene Haller in recognition for his work made in conjunction with Bamburi Portland Cement Company for transforming their abandoned quarry into the ecological wilderness it is today."

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I can't find the poster but there's so much detail

versed helm
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I still wonder how ONI is either going to cover up or explain the Portal at Voi if civilians starts asking questions

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There's also a Haller Park in Budapest

viscid trout
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I think people already know where it leads. Considering that's where the final battle of the war took place.

fair hazel
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Except that haller one is related to stuff in kenya

wispy wasp
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How did they cover up the reason the sangheli had to glass Africa?

gilded mason
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They said the Covenant did it

wispy wasp
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Ahh, ok

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I can't imagine they can keep the flood hidden from humanity forever

stable flower
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It must suck dying right before the war ends

versed helm
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Sacrifice

paper coyote
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Id like to access the ostral archives please

warped vector
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Are the books worth the read things like new blood interested me a lot

versed helm
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Yeah sure

viscid trout
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Probably worth it so some idiot dosen't try and make a bioweapon from it like oni failed to do.

versed helm
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Lololo

fathom valley
viscid trout
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Eh. Kilo five has...more issues then others, depending on your opinion of traviss. Which...varies greatly between people.

fathom valley
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Im a touch biased when it comes to ODST's, so

viscid trout
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And of course, whether you or not you think k she went overboard with her...hatred of halsey.

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The problem isn't the odsts. It's tracis's...well...ego which can bleed in sometimes.

versed helm
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heyo, i got a quick question :)

fathom valley
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Ah, I see
Not sure if Ive noticed it, but these days keeping the artist separated from the work is no stranger to me, sadly

fathom valley
versed helm
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out of the ones i picked out, what book should i read first?
kilo five saga
broken circle
new blood
forerunner saga
bad blood
battleborn

viscid trout
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Hers is a bit...harder to seperate from her work.

fathom valley
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My vote, New blood. Then Bad Blood is the sequel
Gotta love Buck

versed helm
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buck is my mannnnn

fathom valley
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He's a good un

versed helm
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wholesome boy 🙏

fathom valley
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Those two are very good, and shine a nice spotlight on him, which is pretty great. Not to mention the rest of Alpha 9

fathom valley
# versed helm wholesome boy 🙏

Its got some powerful stuff in there, plus ODSTs
The audio book is quite good to, if thats your thing.
Whatever you choose, hope ya enjoy

versed helm
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How useful were nukes against Covenant ship shields?

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thank you :))

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oh one more little lore question

fathom valley
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Sure thing

versed helm
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do we know how the flood got into the shield world in halo wars 1? or is it suppose to be a mystery?

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It is a shield world

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and shield worlds were suppose to be bunkers that the didact made right?

fathom valley
fathom valley
versed helm
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yeah

versed helm
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also why did they store the flood on the halo arrays? isnt that like the exact opposite of what they wanted to do lol

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They wanted to study and make a cure for the flood

fathom valley
versed helm
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I believe they also kept them there to keep them there, contained

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With the monitor

fathom valley
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But yeah, largely research facilities and whatnot

versed helm
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makes enough sense to me :)

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Didact had a cure, prometheans

fathom valley
wispy wasp
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Wasn't it also to prepare those that came after them for the flood?

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In case the flood did return

main rivet
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The idea is the Flood were extragalactic in origin, so there was no point deleting the samples. They would come back regardless in an infinite timescale, so better to continue research.

obsidian ginkgo
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Best Spartan 2...........Go

austere umbra
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Do you guys think a grave mind stopped Cortana deletion

dense finch
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I dunno about 2s but my best 3 is always gonna be Gentle Giant Jorge

cinder trench
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Jorge is great

dense finch
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Gentle Giants are not a thing you think about when it comes to Spartans so Jorge really sticks out for me as a top favorite in that regard

austere umbra
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Gentle giant with a minigun

dense finch
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Yup

cinder trench
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Kat

austere umbra
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Yea

dense finch
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Actually, is it a minigun or just a heavy machinegun?

austere umbra
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A medium gun

dense finch
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Lol

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Kat was cool but she kinda struck a nerve with her personality as a sassy know it all

cinder trench
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Yeah

obsidian ginkgo
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Jorge was 2

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thats y he was so chonk

cinder trench
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His missions were fun

unique rune
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Actually, is it a minigun or just a heavy machinegun?
The M247H is considered a heavy machine gun by the UNSC.

molten trout
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Hey can anyone explain me precursors created forerunners and humanity?

keen fulcrum
unique rune
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That’s… not really true.

keen fulcrum
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Wait how

unique rune
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The Precursors didn’t create everything, for one.

keen fulcrum
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Well they did create our universe tho as far as i remember

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🤔

unique rune
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They did not.

keen fulcrum
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Oh

unique rune
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The birth of the universe predates the Precursors, they simply went from galaxy to galaxy and seeded various systems with life.

keen fulcrum
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I see

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But they created all the species in the galaxy tho did they not

unique rune
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Presumably

keen fulcrum
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I see

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Thanks

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🤔 good to know more stuff

austere umbra
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Do you guys think a gravemind could of deleted Cortana, I think it's possible because Cortana wanted to activate the ring, and that will be a big no no for the flood

humble yacht
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No

austere umbra
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Ok

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Sorry for the dumb theory

dense finch
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I find it funny that a halcyon cruiser is as big as the og Battlestar Galactica

shadow saddle
covert dawn
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I hope we find out what happened to the marines ghost saved on algolis cuz as it stands it seems his sacrifice was for nothing if they got killed along with the heart of midlothian😕

unique rune
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I mean I don’t think it would make much difference if we got concrete confirmation on what happened.

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“Hooray, they all lived, this information isn’t going to be impactful on anything else going forward”

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And sometimes sacrifices end up being for nothing.

covert dawn
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Yeah but ghosts sacrifice was so meaningful because he did right by his fallen platoon by saving the survivors of Algolis

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It would be more meaningful if they made it out

versed helm
covert dawn
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||gave his life thinking he just saved the planet, we should all be so lucky||

versed helm
humble yacht
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Then he would have died like daisy

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Tragically witnessing his own failure

versed helm
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Daisy

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Salute Emoji

covert dawn
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Fuel rod elites go brr

versed helm
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I wonder if Anvil Station will be used in a future book or game's campaign

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Seeing as how it's not niche lore anymore

covert dawn
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Depends if they decide to shift their focus to the present timelines after infinite hits

versed helm
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Do you think Cortana disbaled Anvil?

covert dawn
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We might get some more lore with mcc but i don't see anvio station getting much exposure beyond that

covert dawn
versed helm
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I think it'd be cool if in-lore, MCC's multiplayer takes place on Anvil, 5 takes places on Infinity and Infinite's takes place in that Sergeant Johnson Academy

covert dawn
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I thought it would've been cool of mcc tied into infinite by testing early verisons of the new armors in the game

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Basically we could've gotten a season where spartan 4's are starting to upgrade to gen 3

versed helm
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Well, we know Anvil is used for testing early prototypes of MJOLNIR variants

covert dawn
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Cool way to hype infinite without spoiling anything while we were in the content drought

versed helm
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One of it's uses

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Talking about multiplayer, sucks we didn't get a map in Halo 5 that was set during a Guardian escaping it's slumber

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I like maps where stuff is going on in the background

dusty pilot
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In Halo 2, didn't Tartarus threaten Miranda?

gilded mason
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Correct.

stable flower
covert dawn
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Idk if there was ever a solid answer but i came up with a cool theory why the arbiters armor changed from silver to gold in halo 3

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The arbiter from halo legends showed the armor as gold but we know that all the arbiters that wore it after out of shame had it silver, after the great schism thel could've changed it back to gold to symbolize that he wasn't a pawn of the prophets anymore and that the mark of arbiter wasn't of shame but from that moment forward it was restored to a position of honor among the sangheili

gilded mason
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The modern Arbiter armor isn't gold

covert dawn
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Halo 3 and halo 5 the arbiters armor is clearly gold

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I'd attach images as proof but can't

gilded mason
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Halo 3, it is still silver, the lighting in certain parts makes it look gold, but it isn't

covert dawn
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Then why is it gold on halo 5

gilded mason
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And in H5, he isn't wearing Arbiter armor, he's wearing Kaidon armor

covert dawn
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It's definitely not the same color as halo 2 in 3

gilded mason
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The texture files literally still have it silver

covert dawn
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In halo 2 regardless of lighting it looked silver

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Doesn't make sense how that would change for 3

gilded mason
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All that's confusing people is the reflections in some parts of the game

covert dawn
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Any toys of the arbiter from halo 3 be it figures or mega construx are gold aswell

gilded mason
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Because they were confused as well

covert dawn
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So looking into it makes it seem like the arbiters armor has dull bronze to it

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That might explain why it looked gold in some lighting

gilded mason
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There you go

covert dawn
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Still if they ever wanted to explain why halo legends has it gold they have an option to go with the honor vs shame explanation

versed helm
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I like how they named a military academy after Sergeant Johnson, he deserves it in all honesty

covert dawn
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Mark 7 helmet coming to halo 4

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Wish it was halo 3 but meh

loud kestrel
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my halo reach armour looks so boodazz in mcc

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i say that in a certain way because it would be otherwhys deleted by the bot

obsidian ginkgo
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wat i wanna see in infinite is some precursor tech

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my theory for cortanas "deletion" is that maybe when going to installaion 07 she may have been captured by a fragment of mendicant bias.

obtuse oyster
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The campaign has a lot to juggle in terms of Halo 5 story threads and the banished, so if mendicant bias makes an appearance it might be a big reveal at the end

covert dawn
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I hope we get halo 3 esque terminals of mendicant communicating with us

austere cairn
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CE in a nutshell:
Hm haha hamlo ring go boom

iron monolith
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yes

regal goblet
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Has anyone read point of light in like a 25% thru and they will have to juggle things there as well

obsidian ginkgo
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well they want to continue with the game for 10 years adding steams of content. so i think they will let us visit different parts of one of the dopest and oldest rings we know of

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burh lets go the palace of pain

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yer point of light is aight

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rions books are interesting coz of a different perspective. but i personaly hate Chakas with all my being

regal goblet
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The only reason I read them was to find out what happened they are the type of books I can re-read Bc they were just okay compared to others

austere cairn
stable flower
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Would like to see a spin-off game with Rion

regal goblet
elfin idol
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Cortana doesn’t dies, she just leaves master chief

mental sphinx
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d

obsidian ginkgo
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john story must be coming to a close soon. they cant keep milking his name if they keep going forward in the timeline. hes gonna have to die some how or some way. spartan 2s werent designed with long full lifes in mind.

versed helm
obsidian ginkgo
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Luck wont make him immortal tho, but hey he could become an AI or some forunner tech might pro long it

ivory summit
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John-117 was born on march 7 2511, Hes been in cryo more times then hes washed his armor. But then again the Libarian unlocked his genes in halo 4 so more then likely hes got forerunner type life. However, due to his augmentations he will likely remain in his peak physical condition for up to several decades longer than a normal human

versed helm
obsidian ginkgo
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forunners were not imortal they had long lifes, but didnt live forever.

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and his augments might hind more than help during aging

ivory summit
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no they didnt live forever but those genes unlocked and his augmentations should keep him going along time.. More so him then the other spartan 2's due to the genes

obsidian ginkgo
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the libreian didnt realy improve his genes more like unlocking his gias, which gave him access to many things that were implanted in his gene code.

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all im saying is i dont think he will push 100 years old

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and if we talking about the most in there prime spartan 2 it might have to be red team

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they might out live them or even grey team

ivory summit
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he could and prob will push 150 easy. Might even getting close to his retierment may place him in cryo for emergencies.

obsidian ginkgo
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still having all those augmentaions and changes to your boby at a young age, bone adaptaions and gene therpay. helped him "Grow up faster" at a young age.

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and if his age effects him like it does normal people that means deteration which would make some of his augments potential kill him from the inside out '

ivory summit
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maybe

obsidian ginkgo
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but then again we dont know

ivory summit
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but the libarians gene unlcoking could have extended his lifespan

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The forerunners have an extended lifespan with armor on seeing as the main reason they built the composer was to have immortality. so even though they can live for thousands of years they do indeed die which is evident by the lack of any elder Forerunners spoken about in either novel.

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but consider the Didact and the Librarian have both been alive for more than 10,000 years, as 10,000 or so years (give or take)

obsidian ginkgo
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humans are forunners and forunners are humans. yes. but the composer turns them into data. more machine than human

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the didact isnt a full forunner more like and abomination and the liberain is a unique forunner of a different rate

ivory summit
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just examples lol.

unique rune
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I mean, as far as we know, Forerunners have near indefinite lifespans when supported by their armor.

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Neither the Didact nor Librarian were exceptions to this.

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humans are forunners and forunners are humans.
That's... not quite true. Hasn't been in quite a number of years.

last anchor
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We are connected but we're not entirely sure how just yet

obsidian ginkgo
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humans and forunners are similar in stellar age.

ivory summit
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LMAO, But then again didnt the humans start burning the forerunner worlds without telling them why? if humans and forerunner came together in the beggining halos would have never been needed

obsidian ginkgo
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yer but if the forunners didnt kill papa precursor they wouldnt have had to burn the planets

unique rune
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Once ancient humanity had grasped the situation with the Flood, it's not like they really had the time to tell the Forerunners why they were razing their worlds.

last anchor
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The Flood spreads too fast for that. If you dont catch it at the start, it can run rampant

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We see this in Awakening the Nightmare.

obsidian ginkgo
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i mean you cant really kill the flood permanently

humble yacht
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Rampancy is for AI smirkle

unique rune
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Booooo

ivory summit
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LMAO

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yes the flood spreads way to fast but it takes seconds to send a voice msg or auido man a text lmao...

obsidian ginkgo
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forunners are just basicly space elves i reckon

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they think they are the friggin best, live long, have the best crafted tech, and are arogant af

unique rune
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Huh. Cmdr. Arygna has a prosthetic leg. Didn't notice that.
Neat.

obsidian ginkgo
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A dope game would be getting to play as sgt johnson during the harvest campagin and onwards

ivory summit
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Or maybe between halo 1 an 2. covering johns journey from instulation 4 to reach to covenant space station. 🙂

obsidian ginkgo
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or getting to do space battles as the chad himself captain keys and his rise thought the ranks.

ivory summit
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I do wonder if we will see Ellen Anders from halo wars 2. In Halo Infinte due to the events at the end.

primal sleet
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Now I know there is probably some youtube video out there, but can someone please explain the current situation with guilty spark, it confuses me

ivory summit
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i havent read up awhole lot on Spark. but i do know hes somewhere with Forges daughter. im all ears for anything else 🙂

primal sleet
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isnt he some promethean guy?

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like in a soldier body

ivory summit
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yes he has a promethean body now

primal sleet
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weird

slim thorn
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It's an Arminger

ivory summit
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Novels is in order smoke and shadow, renegades, point of light. I havent had the time to sit and read lol.

slim thorn
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Spark lost his body after Chief destroys it, and he borrows Rubicon until Rion enable to guide him to get a new body of Arminger.

primal sleet
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so is spark still evil or what?

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cause he's rolling around with forges' daughter

slim thorn
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When he's with Rion, no.

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Spark almost got captured by ONI.

ivory summit
primal sleet
slim thorn
primal sleet
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considering its a spinoff

ivory summit
primal sleet
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but infinite will prolly stick with chief and arbiter might come in if we are lucky

slim thorn
primal sleet
slim thorn
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Considering Ferrets will encounter SoF and Captain Cutter soon enough.

ivory summit
slim thorn
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They can use SoF as homestay for a while.

pine sage
primal sleet
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although, keith david did tease it

pine sage
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i wonder what else might go down.

primal sleet
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Id love to see half jaw come back

slim thorn
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Quite a pity that Thel didn't join

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Because I would like to have them fight side-by-side again.

ivory summit
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i kinda hope we have a chief full campaign lol.

primal sleet
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He's definitely a character with potential

primal sleet
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elites may come in dlc

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like an elite focused campaign

pine sage
primal sleet
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yeah he is

ivory summit
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now tell me if im wrong, but didnt they say halo infinite will be a game to build on for along time? using dlc to bring side stories and other goodies?

primal sleet
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I could see his character specializing in flood containment

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or something like that

gilded mason
ivory summit
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i really hope we see some flood its been a hot min

primal sleet
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maybe im wrong

pine sage
gilded mason
primal sleet
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And rtas had some sorta encounter with an ONI ship or somthing like that last time we saw him

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At least i think so

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im rusty with my lore lately

pine sage
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and i'm still pretty far behind book-wise

gilded mason
pine sage
gilded mason
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Not really

primal sleet
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I doubt the swords of sanghelios will help out in the base campaign

gilded mason
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The SoS at least has things under control, production-wise

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(Before the Created, at least)

pine sage
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they have no huragok to repair what little they DO have, not to mention the depletion of war material while dealing with sangheili rebels

gilded mason
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Sangheili know how to repair stuff

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Not to mention, that aspect of the lore seems to be...murky

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The Huragok thing, I mean

primal sleet
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They are forerunner made creatures

gilded mason
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Since later lore has more and more huragok around to do stuff

primal sleet
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thats all i know

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also the halo rings cant kill them

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thats it

gilded mason
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Not to mention, it was impossible for them all to just "disappear" as Traviss wrote anyway.

pine sage
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when the peophets left, huragok disappeared. The UNSC is about the only known faction that has any number of them right now. And there's still that lifeworker huragok floating around

gilded mason
primal sleet
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Ya know what i want?

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More hunter lore

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I love the hunters, they are so badass

pine sage
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And with the ones the UNSC have, many of them came from onyx and have been being used to upgrade UNSC ships with whatever forerunner tech they could, prodominantly shielding, slipspace drives, and slipspace communications all last i checked

pine sage
primal sleet
primal sleet
ivory summit
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Has their been any mention of what cortana is doing? or have i missed something.

pine sage
primal sleet
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or something like that

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that confused me too

ivory summit
gilded mason
pine sage
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that's because those fans never read the books

primal sleet
ivory summit
pine sage
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human brilliance reverse-engineered kig-yar shield gauntlets into personal shields for the spartans. It was "special" and in some cases superior to some sangheili shielding as remarked in the books by one sangheili who grew obsessed with trying to kill John during the events of the first halo.

primal sleet
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I played through ODST with my buddy, and after we finished the game, he loved that engineer, i think its his favorite halo character

primal sleet
gilded mason
primal sleet
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like dual wielding jackal shields

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closest we got was the hardlight shield

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but that wasnt as cool

pine sage
# primal sleet like dual wielding jackal shields

no i mean the MJOLNIR's energy shielding was achieved through reverse engineering kig-yar shield gauntlets. Prior to this, when using the MK IVs, spartans would grab the gauntlets from dead jackels and use them.

primal sleet
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Ah i see, got a little mixed up there

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I thought they reverse engineered sanghili armor though

pine sage
primal sleet
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I see

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Didnt know they were similar

pine sage
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couldn't exactly drag a dead sangheili to an evac or even just the combat harness

gilded mason
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And things were usually tamper-proof

primal sleet
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I thought both shields were completely different

gilded mason
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Nope, similar tech

pine sage
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employed differently

primal sleet
primal sleet
pine sage
primal sleet
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Spartans do some crazy things

pine sage
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anywho off to bed with me, later all

primal sleet
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Night

pine sage
gilded mason
pine sage
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and, while not to the same degree as MJOLNIR, the sangheili combat harness does augment the wearer's strength

gilded mason
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Ye

primal sleet
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It does?

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Didnt know that either

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I thought I knew a lot more than i did

pine sage
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yes. gotta love the halo encyclopedia.

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anywho night, for reals this time

primal sleet
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So does it enhance like physical strength

gilded mason
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Yes, a bit

primal sleet
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Good to know

gilded mason
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I imagine higher "rank" ones enhance it more

primal sleet
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I should probably study to get a drivers permit

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but halo lore is more important

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Maybe if i show up with this info, they'll just give me a permit

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lol

unique rune
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I don’t think any sane license-granting individual would pass people based on Halo knowledge if the drivers I get in BTB are any indication.

primal sleet
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I'll roll up and tell them that i know nothing about driving, but im a halo lore professional

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and they'll just give me a license right there

ivory summit
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now funny thing could happen, based on that im 31 and have had halo for 20 years. What if you showed up in a halo shirt etc, and the instructor you had was a halo fan. and he didnt test you about driving he did on halo knowledge

primal sleet
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Unless he asks me about elite harnesses

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but I know now

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I also know a bit of zelda stuff so ill hope for that too

ivory summit
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nice

primal sleet
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Well, Nice chatting with you guys

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Im off

ivory summit
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have a good night

dense helm
austere cairn
austere cairn
austere cairn
covert dawn
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Halo 3 odst in a nutshell:
smooth jazz

fair hazel
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those are some very off comparaisons

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I think an interesting detail i noticed is that the weapon's suit seems to look a lot like, welel partially, like an, upsidedown, spartan gen 3 front plate

primal bone
gilded mason
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The Fall of Reach

pine sage
primal bone
# pine sage fall of reach

Thank you. I remember the Mjolnir crration but I didnt remember how they used to pick up the gauntlets

molten trout
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hey how did cortana got teleported to domain never got that part was she in the didact's ship system in halo 4 ending and teleported herself by mistake?

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also can someone explain me domain in simple words

pine sage
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The domain is a forerunner information network. Cortana found a way to access it while in the systems of the didacts ship. She simply escaped into that before the nuclear blast destroyed those systems

primal bone
native lily
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Hasum help me!

primal bone
native lily
primal sleet
pine sage
primal bone
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Anyway, what I didnt understand was: because the Domain was neurophysical, when the Halos exploded, the Domain was destroyed. So how come Cortana could touch it?

limber dagger
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So to answer your question, it basically slowly "grew back" and recovered similar to how the rest of the galaxy did over time. It's intertwined with the fabric of space itself. As spacetime healed, so did the Domain. This is my interpretation, at least.

ivory summit
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Anyone think Bornstellar-Makes-Eternal-Lasting. Would make an appearance in something upcoming? Would he still be alive? Since forerunners can live long time?. Last bit information I can find about him. (Bornstellar would survive the activation of the Halo Array and later oversaw the re-seeding of humanity on Earth, sharing a few last words with Riser. Later he would marry Chant-to-Green and have a son together.

Over 100,000 years later, a record referred to as the "Bornstellar Relation," supposedly containing a testimony or archived personality of Bornstellar, was discovered by the UNSC on Onyx)

limber dagger
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The problem with adding those characters tho is that people who are new to the series or dont keep up with the lore would have no idea who he is or why he is important.

ivory summit
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True, that it is true a lot wouldn’t know who he is or how important. An AI would be nice. I really wished the games and books would reach a point to where they are on the same page.

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I wonder did bornstellar take Offensive Bias with him? Not much is given besides halo 3 legendary

pine sage
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I'm still wondering how guilty spark survived to end up with a promethean body

humble yacht
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ONI sent a team to the ark and the team found his monitor ball

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they took it back to their ship and plugged it in. Spark transferred his mind into the ship before his monitor ball fully shut down

primal bone
pine sage
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Tough stuff to survive 3 spartan laser blasts to the face

limber dagger
# primal bone Harispus was like the legendary judge right? I'm not sure if I'm remembering rig...

Yes, but I may be getting the actual person who the Domain petitioned wrong. It was either Harispus himself, or it was to Catalog. Regardless, the Domain is certainly alive and sentient in and of itself, whether that be via a hive mind of knowledge, similar to the Flood, or as an individual "being". The whole Forerunner/ Precursor philosophy is difficult to understand. The Domain is also said to contain "100 billion years worth of knowledge", most of it originating in the "time before the stars". Now whether that means it has been around for literally 100 billion years, or has a collective 100 billion years worth of knowledge (think a business who says their employees have 100 years of combined experience) is unknown.

primal bone
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And I really don't remember a time when the Domain actually asks to do something to anyone.

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It was mostly that it wanted to convey something but couldnt

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I mean, for some reason "part" of it survived in Genesis

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which will imply that in Genesis there was some kind of precursor buildings that werent affected by the Halos

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so I'm not sure

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Halo 5 really messed me up

limber dagger
# primal bone I'm not sure about that. In Silentium it openly says that the Domain was gonna b...

It said they thought it was going to be destroyed, but it obviously wasn't. It was certainly damaged, and still may be, but it wasn't completely destroyed. And it does extend beyond Genesis. Remember the cut scene on the Oni ship at the beginning of Halo 5? Cant remember the name, but that vision of Cortana that John had was transmitted thru the Domain. The Librarians "Gifts" to John in Halo 4 included an ability to access the Domain. But yes, the Domain itself does directly petition someone in Silentium to testify at Faber's trial. It was denied because the Forerunner legal system did not recognize the Domain is a citizen/ sentient being.

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I only listen to the audiobooks so I dont have a page number, but ill check Halopedia to see if they mention it.

limber dagger
# primal bone And I really don't remember a time when the Domain actually asks to do something...

"When accessed by a Juridical looking for information on the Precursors, the Domain itself requested to testify to the Juridical, who disbelievingly asserted that the Domain was in no way a sentient being. Haruspis rebuked the Juridical for his ignorance on the nature of the Domain, just before the Domain itself overwhelmed the Juridical with knowledge. "This is taken directly from Halopedia. Source is listed as Silentium pages 13-15.

pine sage
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Sweet

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So it was the only sentient entity to survive the firing of the array

limber dagger
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Well, besides those that were stored away for conservation, yes

versed helm
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How does Master Chief escape from Fortnite and return to Infinite?

stable flower
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I hate Fortnite: Butthole Coil

versed helm
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That's inappropriate

ivory summit
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Tossing some things out bear with me. 1:) Maethrillian since last the isodidact had last been their is it worth to say since the covenant hadn’t located it would still be a treasure trove of forerunner technology? 2:) Since John had beat again, the Didact was imprisoned in the Domain, reflecting on memories of his wife would that mean Cortana may release him, and if so would he join her or fight alongside humanity? 3:) In the Path Kethona their was a fleet of ancient Forerunner warships, haven’t heard much more about them but if it’s forerunner technology it’s built to last any idea if those where found or could they still be there?

fathom valley
ivory summit
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Fort nite Chief isn’t cannon, it’s just a skin

limber dagger
# ivory summit Tossing some things out bear with me. 1:) Maethrillian since last the isodidact ...

1.) The Covenant may have found it, but I doubt it. The war would have gone much worse i they had and were able to actually use it. 2.) The Diadact would likely side with humanity, at least temporarily, because it is likely he would not accept AI rule over the galaxy. 3.) Yes the ships are almost certainly still there, but we arent going to hear anything about this most likely because Path Kethona is actually the Large Magellanic Cloud, which is a satellite galaxy of the Milky Way. Humans don't have the slipspace tech to get that far out.

ivory summit
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That is true the war would have lasted longer due to the covenant beloved it was the throne to their gods, diadact was tricky due to his relationship to humanity and the librarians failed hope of him helping humans, and his beef with John. I did think the infinity could make it their since it’s slip space drive is forerunner design.

pine sage
# limber dagger 1.) The Covenant may have found it, but I doubt it. The war would have gone much...

Didact went nuts more than normal because he wasnt connected to the domain via his cryptum due to the firing of the array. His time there might actually mellow him out.

Cortana doesnt have a hate erection for humans so she wouldnt be likely to release him.

Also, how far is that satellite galaxy compared to the ark, humans can get to the ark in a matter of months without the portal even before the slip space upgrades.

dusty pilot
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I think the next story of halo should take place in the Andromeda Galaxy in 2593. Spartans are a low priority as the banished and covenant have been gone for decades. Halos are discovered in Andromeda newly built as if the forerunners just left. A new alien conglomerate appears tabd they got the appearance of CE Beta Elites and the other strange looking creatures they had planned. Imagine if this were a future thing.

fair hazel
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... No.. there's a lot of narrative places for halo to go and that definitely doesn't fit.

dusty pilot
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Let's leave it up to the writers honestly. We aren't the ones to determine the story.

limber dagger
# pine sage Didact went nuts more than normal because he wasnt connected to the domain via h...

They got there via the giant forerunner portal at Voi. They didn't just take off an go, they didn't know it existed there yet. Without the portal, Humans did not have the tech to go that far. Ancient Humanity probably could have though. But at any rate, The ark is "262,144 light years from the galactic center" and Path Kethona (IRL Large Magellanic Cloud) is 160,000 light years from the galactic edge. I'm basing my statement on that fact that the Librarian characterized the journey she took there as "unusually long," even for her specialized Forerunner ship

gilded fossil
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Hello! I'm new here, but thought of the Connection between Masterchief being John 117 and the biblical passage John 1:17. I think this is the right channel to bring this up in. After brief digging on the Bungie forum and reddit, there was some speculation about John 117 being a christ-like figure, even "coming back from the dead" out of cryosleep for Halo 4's prologue. Has anybody else given this thought or have thoughts on this?

limber dagger
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I always connected John's number to the fact that Bungie is known to have loved the number 7

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What does the biblical passage say?

gilded fossil
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"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

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Moses was compared to a covenant of the old ways with Christ ushering in the new

limber dagger
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Im not religious, so I guess i dont know the symbolism.

gilded fossil
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Have you heard of Noah and the ark?

limber dagger
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Yes

gilded fossil
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both in Halo and that story there are Flood(s)!!

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Cleansing humanity maybe? Idk a lot of the halo lore

limber dagger
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Haha yes, I know there is biblical symbolism in the story. Just never paid close attention to it i suppose.

pine sage
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And the ones that were sent didnt have the drive upgrades if memory serves

limber dagger
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Hmmm. Just seems odd. Idk how Humans would be able to get there in a few months when it took the Forerunners years to get only slightly farther

pine sage
#

. Was the librarians ship a smaller or a larger one.

limber dagger
pine sage
limber dagger
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I mean, we are talking Forerunners at the height of their technology tho. Also, the human ships going to the Ark from Earth were not all that much larger. Idk, seems like a bit of plot hole to me more than anything lol

unique rune
versed helm
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Could there be any Earth nations that are still independent of the UEG?

pine sage
limber dagger
# pine sage Light frigates are more than double the size.

Yes, and 10 million years less advanced lol. I'm speaking in relative terms here compared to some of the other ships in the stories. Being 600 feet instead of 300 feet is irrelevant when there are ships 300 miles tall lol. Idk man, I know you are correct canonically speaking, im just saying that it seems like a plot hole that doesnt make much sense. We cant compare 26th century human ships that havent been upgraded with forerunner tech to purpose built, state of the art forerunner ships built at the height of their civilization. It's like comparing a horse and buggy to an aircraft carrier lol.

pine sage
versed helm
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Do any sangheli or Covenant races live on Earth?

gilded mason
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Yes

versed helm
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Or have lived on Earth?

gilded mason
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We know of some living in Rio de Janeiro

versed helm
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Brazil baby

primal sleet
primal sleet
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Think about it, the covenant destroy reach

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And then the unsc go to the middle east to kill religious radicals

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Even if technically new mombasa was home turf, but I think thats what it was supposed to represent

fair hazel
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That’s stretching for sure

pine sage
humble yacht
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2:) Since John had beat again, the Didact was imprisoned in the Domain, reflecting on memories of his wife would that mean Cortana may release him, and if so would he join her or fight alongside humanity?
She wouldn't free the Didact, for one thing, she and the Warden don't consider composed essences true "created" and therefore undeserving of the Mantle. For another thing, she'd have to worry about him usurping her authority

pine sage
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plus warden was showing signs that he may rebel against cortana at some point given his growing frustrations regarding her favoritism toward john vs other humans and how she kept holding him back from what he wanted to do.

humble yacht
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the relationship between warden and cortana is not super clear. while in H5 he seems to clearly disregard her orders to stop attacking Chief, in Dominion Splinter, we she that she literally hacks the Warden to get him under her control. So there are two main theories about why he seemingly disobeyed her in H5:

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  1. it was all a ruse and she told him to make it seem like he was disobeying her to trick the chief
  2. the Warden is loyal to cortana but still retains some autonomy about how he goes about performing his duties
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either way, i don't think he'd ever actually betray her, because I don't think he can. at most, he could do something she wouldn't like

primal sleet
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i still think it might represent it a little tho

limber dagger
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"Thou shall not betray Cortana" or something like that...but thats just my conjecture. It seemed like the Warden WANTED to disobey her, but literally could not.

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limber dagger
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Dang...rekt

pine sage
limber dagger
pine sage
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fair enough

limber dagger
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It would be interesting if that was the case, but that's such a specific subject that I doubt it's a question that would be answered.

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Personally, the only thing I want to be answered at SOME point is who in the actual hell were the people/ species that crash landed on INSTL 04 sixty thousand years after the rings activation.

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Beating a dead horse, I know, but God I've always loved that little story.

pine sage
limber dagger
pine sage
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meaning they were outside the array's range

limber dagger
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I.E. Outside the galaxy.

pine sage
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or maybe they entered the galaxy close to when the array fired and the ship was adrift till it crashed

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hence the lack of any answer when hailed

limber dagger
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So many questions

pine sage
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was that specified?

limber dagger
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Yes, Spark specifically characterized it as "short range in nature" and that there was likely a larger support vessel near by.

pine sage
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hence why i said adrift. it could have been elsewhere in the galaxy when the array fired

limber dagger
pine sage
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depends on the power source. we're talking highly advanced here. maybe ancient human holdout that had been in hiding since the war with the forerunners? And forerunner ships are still serviceable after 100k so it it really that farfetched?

limber dagger
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no, not particularly, but if it is that advanced, then why maintain a life support system for a dead crew? The distress signal, sure, but a fresh atmosphere?

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The hull architecture was said to match "7 different known species"

pine sage
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well if the crew died when the array fired, no one there to shut off the life support.

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and it was never confirmed which known species could have designed it

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and it's unknown if ancient humans used AI at all

limber dagger
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Yeah, I guess I'm just assuming that some sort of AI would be present as that tends to be the case with the space faring species in Halo. I doubt it would be a strictly manually operated craft.

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But yeah we do not have any info on that.

pine sage
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covenant didn't use AI. well not till later in the war when they copied captured ai over and over.

limber dagger
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They did use advanced computers, just not A.I. in the way we think about it.

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except for what you just mentioned.

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Who knows. There is so much back and forth we could do.

pine sage
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well, and the one in the forerunner keyship that laid out the mistranslation that started the war

limber dagger
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Lol yep. Always loved the irony of the Heirarch names.

pine sage
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truth the liar, mercy the merciles, and regret the unremorseful

limber dagger
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Truth's Ascension to power was based on a lie. Regrets career defining moment was a regretful, pre-mature invasion of Earth. And Mercy was shown none at the end of his life.

pine sage
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in theory anyway.

limber dagger
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Yep, billions dead because of an ego issue.

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Also it would destroy the basic tenants of their religion as they knew it at the time, but still. It was all a lie.

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gotta go for a bit

ivory summit
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Wouldnt the Warden have to fall in line persay to the diadect?

ivory summit
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Is Exubearant still aboard the Infinity?

humble yacht
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No

ivory summit
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thats good to know, makes me wonder did she go back to genesis?

versed helm
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Is it weird that I felt sorry for Mercy since Truth left him for dead

ivory summit
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no not really i did wonder why didnt truth help mercy. It was kinda sad. And i personally wouldnt have given the flood the knowledge he had.

versed helm
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Refresh my memory if you please, wasn't Mercy like the oldest among the 3 Hierarchs?

wispy wasp
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Yeah, mercy, truth, and regret were the highest ranking prophets

ivory summit
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i think he was the oldest of the last 3 hierarchs.

gilded mason
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Correct

ivory summit
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he was also true to his name showed little mercy

versed helm
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Like he held high positions within the Covenant even before Truth and Regret were even born

humble yacht
versed helm
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Lets say I was a member of the SoS that still worshipped the Forerunners as gods, would that be strange or no?

gilded mason
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A little bit

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As Thel was pretty open about telling everyone they were not gods

humble yacht
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That was more Jul’s Covenant

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They still treated the forerunners as gods

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Except for jul, of course. He knew the truth

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And lied about it anyway

versed helm
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are members of the SoS that still worship the Forerunners as gods

humble yacht
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I would

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That sort of fanaticism is what led them to be betrayed by the prophets

versed helm
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Are there any humans that worshiped the Forerunners other than those ancient humans that worshiped the Librarian?

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Also, what planet would be good to hide from the Created?

humble yacht
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I’m not sure enough humans know about the forerunners to worship them

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Rossbach’s World

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It’s literally where Hood and Serin went to hide

versed helm
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I was about to say either Venezia or Sanghelios, maybe Paxopolis

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Speaking of Paxopolis, it is an interesting place that I hope we get to see in future media

humble yacht
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Sanghelios was literally under attack when we left it

versed helm
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Oh

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Still not sure about Venezia

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Didn't half of Sanghelios get EMPed?

fresh sandal
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all of it probably

humble yacht
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Half

fresh sandal
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o

versed helm
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What about Meridian?

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Or Forseti

humble yacht
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Did you not play halo 5?

versed helm
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No, but I read enough info on it

humble yacht
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Meridian was also under attack by the created

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Sloan joined the created

ivory summit
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Blue team was reunited 🙂

versed helm
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I still wonder why a Guardian was even buried on Meridian

humble yacht
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Randomly selected by forerunners

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Or maybe humans were drawn to it because forerunner stuff was there

ivory summit
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they were burried on randomly selected worlds because they were useless against the flood. if i remember corectly

humble yacht
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Either way the guardian predates humans settling Meridian by 100k years

versed helm
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I wonder if the Forerunners used the Guardians during the Human-Forerunner wars

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Would a NOVA bomb be able to take down a Guardian?

ivory summit
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I think they were used to police systems possible weapon against prehistoric humans due to the emp blast, I dont think a nova bomb would hurt it

humble yacht
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Maybe

versed helm
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What about ramming a starship into a Guardian at full speed

humble yacht
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Probably not

ivory summit
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hmm maybe the infinity? but only going full speed and possible firing mac guns as well. it might do something?

versed helm
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Possibly, since the Infinity was seen ramming a Covenant ship without any visible signs of damage

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What about using the Huragok to take down a Guardian

ivory summit
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not really

humble yacht
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Yes that works

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The guardian would just let a ship get close enough to ram it

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It has a laser defense grid

versed helm
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Oh yeah, what happened at Sydney

ivory summit
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i do wonder if there could be anymore cryptums lying around burried long forgotten with some forerunners. 🙂

versed helm
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So is there any way to take down a Guardian

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They seem way too OP

ivory summit
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John could prob do it.

humble yacht
versed helm
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Or that

ivory summit
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wrap it up like a fruit basket and let them have it

versed helm
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Would the Mantle's Approach be able to take down a Guardian?

ivory summit
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that im unsure due to it would prob be more advanced then the guardians but im unsure.

fair hazel
fair hazel
worn barn
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We’re we ever told what material guardians were made of

main rivet
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Presumably the same Forerunner alloys they mention at other times.

ivory summit
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I do wonder has there been any mention of James-005 since he was struck with a needler outside gamma station? He was pretty much flung from the explosion. Begs to question could he still be alive?

unique rune
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I don’t believe anything has gone into 005’s fate beyond MIA presumed dead.

versed helm
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He "could" be alive, if the writers so desire it. It's only known that "Scans conducted after the battle were unable to find him" and that's it. It wouldn't be very original, but they could pull a Randall again, say he fell into the atmosphere, survived the fall (haha) and was rescued by locals or something

unique rune
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After the Fall of Reach I can’t imagine anyone would’ve been able to find him in a timely manner, assuming he didn’t didn’t get killed by something else before everything was over.

versed helm
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But you'd have to write in a lot of stuff for it to make sense. As in, who could've rescued him while the planet was under siege, why didn't he immediately return once he was able to, what happened between then and whatever scenario you decide to reintroduce him with, and make it make sense considering the "current" year and the fact there's no mention whatsoever ever since

wispy wasp
ivory summit
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I did figure he could have survived the fall or been able to latch on a floating UNSC ship. And John had them scan for him but it wouldn’t make sense with all the debris and covenant plasma with the nukes planet side to register anything on scans

main rivet
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I think it'd make more sense for him to get picked up by someone else and then like Kurt used as their own personal Spartan "off the books". But at some point the number of Spartans who do never die starts getting ridiculous. Better to let them go.

frozen heron
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The geas/genesong that the librarian activated in the Chief was only shown to have granted him

-A familiarity with operating Forerunner technology and control interfaces.
-Immunity to the Composer.

There's nothing else revealed yet, right?

gilded mason
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And possibly Domain compatibility. Maybe.

short plank
humble yacht
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Through some forerunner specific psychic channel

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Perhaps a shared link to the domain

versed helm
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Telepathy maybe?

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So what other uses does Pluto have for the UEG/UNSC besides putting a bunch of space stations and other facilities in orbit above it?

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Thoughts?

dusty prawn
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Can we talk about how Chief's luck increased to such a degree that the very first thing he sees after he uses his last bullet to shoot the container is a fresh magazine for his pistol. Save it for the next fight Chief, geeze

inland fulcrum
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Master Chief is the embodiment of good luck

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I'm dying to know the lore of what started the war between the unsc and the banished (aside from halo wars 2)

last anchor
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There wasn't really a war persay, my guess is the Banishes where somewhere the UNSC was also (since for the most part they've both been trying to hide from Cortana) and inevitably conflict brewed (see; the Banished on Reach intrefeiring with Blue Teams mission to CASTLE)

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POSSIBLY the UNSC attacked them to prevent the activation of Zeta Halo (if that ancient trailer is anything to go by)

versed helm
versed helm
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Chief: is lucky.
Also Chief: Loses everyone he grows close to, his best friend becomes evil and his childhood was ruined.

boreal breach
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Actually, most of the Spartan IIs we get to hear think about this subject actually are thankful to the SPARTAN project for turning them from "confused 6 year olds" to warriors.
(The 6 year old part is from Linda. I reread Shadows of Reach yesterday)

last anchor
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Chief himself admits hes glad that they turned him from a school yard bully into something useful

main rivet
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It’s pretty common for child soldiers to be pretty positive on the experience.

viscid trout
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I mean nothing has indicated that what the gameplay trailer said has changed. The unsc still lost something. Probably the main fight against the created even if cortana was put out of the fight. One way or another.

pine sage
stable flower
ivory summit
pulsar pivot
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Would shooting the Tanks of of Grunts be Bad for the Environment since yk Methane

dawn knot
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I'm fairly sure we devised a way to help fix the environment of methane by then

pine sage
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not if it combusts

versed helm
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I think if you're fighting grunts there's bigger threats to the environment around, namely glassing...

pine sage
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if unggoy invade, could we win as we are now. Not the rest of the covenant, just the grunts.

versed helm
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Nop, slight chance we could, remember they brought the elites to their knees had to glass their planet, otherwise they wouldn't have been subdued

pine sage
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So essentially there's no covenant species we could solo against as we are now? well crap.

versed helm
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The engineers 😂😂😂😂

pine sage
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they wouldn't even invade. If they came with an invasion ship and that ship crashed with only the huragok surviving, we're looking at a new global superpower the likes of which would have no match for the country the ship crashed in

versed helm
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Jokes aside, i think the only species we could, are the hunters

pine sage
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the lekgolo? you've gotta be joking

versed helm
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Without the assistance from the covenant in designing their armours and weapons, they are just worms

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But i could be wrong

pine sage
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yeah, worms that each technology and survive in space

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eat**

versed helm
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Tbh, cant win vs any, the technology they have is way too advanced

pine sage
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and none who we can take advantage of their physiological weaknesses...

versed helm
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The easiest one would be vs grunts, they are mostly ground units so one can say that as long ad they dont have the fuel rods en masse, it is possible to win

pine sage
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well en masse we would employ high yield explosive ordinance to bring their numbers down. Though the war can't be allowed to hit the 4-5 year mark due to their rapid large breeding and short childhoods

pulsar pivot
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Yeah Grunts will Own with their Numbers

pine sage
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for urban environments, IEDs would be king to wipe out large numbers in one go and mop up the rest with small arms fire. vehicle wise i'm sure our tanks could bring down even the goblin mech since the energy shielding is only in the cockpit and nowhere else. Grunts don't have any long range units so they can be picked from large distances as they approach. We would have tactical superiority as far as the range in armaments.

Grunts only have the ghost and goblin, only ordinance they use is the fuel rod which sticks out and would make them priority targets as well as any sitting on any turrets.

Numbers are one thing but they don't have the range to really support those numbers

versed helm
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It is debatble really, still think the casuality rate will be too high for us, while they will keep on breeding far faster than we breathe

pine sage
# versed helm It is debatble really, still think the casuality rate will be too high for us, w...

the breeding is why the war would have to be relatively quick to begin with. Something that can be done with liberal use of explosive ordinance. Blow up more of them than they can readily replace. Send in sniper teams as the recon/vanguard to take out turrets and fuel rod grunts before going in with the main force. Or just hit them with artillery fire first before going that route.

And ALL of this is ignoring one major aspect that they seem to all share. they tend to scatter and run when SHTF. Shock and awe tactics would be VERY useful toward forcing a surrender.

versed helm
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That is quite true. If we were invading them then i would say no chance to win, but since they invading us they wont have the same ferocity they showed vs the covenant

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So i guess u could say that the grunts are the only species we csn win vs

pine sage
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Well even if we invaded them, one shot from any of our conventional weapons would light up the immediate area due to the highly flammable atmosphere

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one suicide bomber and we win through sheer devastation

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though it would be kinda cool if there wound up being a peaceful first contact between humans and sangheili. Imagine if they learned about the Greek Spartans or Japanese Samurai

versed helm
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Yeah well, i dont think the sangheli can be tricked so easily by some measly prophets

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But yea, dont think they would be aggressive for no reason

main rivet
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It's worth noting that Grunts are cowardly and panicky when we meet them in game partially because they're badly-trained cannon fodder in the Covenant. There's nothing stopping them from being organized into a much more effective force, and if it came down to defending their world I'm pretty sure they'd be much, much tougher.

karmic pasture
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Maybe if they actually trained the Grunts they would be more useful.

unique rune
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Presumably that isn't worth the extra cost it would incur to the Covenant.

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They're already pretty good at overwhelming the enemy with just sheer numbers alone.

versed helm
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Spartan B312 is Noble 6 right?

gilded mason
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Yeah

versed helm
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Ight

void oar
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I never understood why we never fought elites in ODST

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Actually in tairayi plaza why were the elites and brutes fighting?

versed helm
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I guess since most elites were gone with Mercy, Truth made them kill the elites earlier on Earth

viscid trout
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Yeah, seems like the schism happened earlier for the earth elites. Or maybe buck woke up after the death of mercy

versed helm
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That's probably what happened

gilded mason
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(Probably one reason why he left so suddenly)

versed helm
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Or maybe cuz us unsc boys hit him hard OOH RAH!😎

obsidian thistle
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That Conduit is the only thing I can imagine being able to open it lol

pine sage
carmine sleet
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ODST takes place before the events on Installation 05 happens

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It's just that Truth ordered the Brutes he sent to Earth to take over, leading to the first of the conflicts between the Elites and the Brutes in the Great Schism

pine sage
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Its actually about parallel. ODST picks up on october 20 2552, when the conflicts were just starting and picking up where halo 2 left off on earth.

The elites were starting to wonder why humans were never given an invitation as many were beginning to respect humans in combat.

versed helm
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For any of u that have read the Halo books, which do u recommend to read the most? Besides Halo Flood, fall of reach and first strike

pine sage
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Contact harvest

versed helm
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Any other that u would recommend? I see that ur a fellow lore enthusiast

unique rune
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I mean I would personally recommend all of them

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even if the Kilo-Five trilogy is still a bit controversial
better to read it and form your own opinion of things than parrot some loud guy on the Internet

versed helm
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Ofc, i always make my opinion of things when i plat/read/ do them myself

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Thank you all!

unique rune
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The novels are generally pretty good in their own ways. Some personal highlights for me were probably Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent.

Denning’s books have had a pretty good track record as well

inland axle
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Define pretty good

main rivet
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I tend to think that most of the Halo novels are at least entertaining.

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In terms of weakness from an actual story or prose standpoint, I think Buckell's work is towards the bottom of the barrel, Shirley's Broken Circle reads like a rewrite of his BioShock book set in space, and David's contribution for Hunters in the Dark is among the worst work of his I've actually read.

versed helm
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Can u pls let us know why it is it so bad? The hunters in the dark, i was curious about it.

main rivet
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There's a lot of just walking around, a lot of stuff that doesn't really fit in with the Halo aesthetic, a lot of the characters aren't memorable or are memorable for the wrong reasons, the antagonist's plan doesn't make a lot of sense, and the events of the book are largely irrelevant and mostly ignored.

carmine sleet
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Halo Wars 2 would not be able to be set on the Ark if it wasn't for Hunters in the Dark

main rivet
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Obviously people's tastes vary—I know a lot of people who like Covenant stuff love Broken Circle, for example, where I find it largely derivative. Hence why Emperor Nova's suggestion of deciding for yourself is a good idea.

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You don't need to know anything from Hunters in the Dark to get HW2.

carmine sleet
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Right, but you said the events of the book are "largely irrelevant and mostly ignored". You're implying that every other writer who's ever worked on a Halo project ignores the existence of the novel despite the fact that HW2 proves that to be untrue

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Not to mention the fact there's a difference between not needing to know what happens in something that came before and flat out ignoring what came before

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Like you don't need to play Combat Evolved to play Halo 2, but the story of Halo 2 definitely does not ignore the events of the preceding game

main rivet
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They ignore the whole "hey remember when a cyborg and a crazy AI lit the Halo rings again and chucked boulders and assorted wildlife at them" bit. They ignore the damage done to the fleet that is not an issue in Halo 4, etc.

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It's a pretty superfluous story (which is fine, they don't all need to be monumentally important), but it's also just not that engaging.

carmine sleet
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Halo 4 was released long before Hunters in the Dark and it makes logical sense they'd fix up the Home Fleet after the events of Hunters in the Dark anyway

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And they didn't need to talk about details like that in Halo Wars 2 either, since the main focus was that the Banished were on the Ark and needed dealing with, which again, if it weren't for Hunters in the Dark, the Ark wouldn't have been a location for writers to use

main rivet
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I don't know how that's relevant for Halo Wars 2.

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What was required for it to be a setting?

carmine sleet
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They go to the Ark in Hunters in the Dark to stop the Halos from firing, and also open up the Ark to get repaired at the end, we see the repaired Ark in HW2 as well as the remains of the science facilities set up on the Ark by the UNSC as well as the AI, Isabel, who was sent with those scientists. None of that would've happened were it not for Hunters in the Dark existing

main rivet
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That's not necessary in the slightest.

carmine sleet
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Again, you don't need to read Hunters in the Dark to understand HW2, but it goes against your claim that people ignore that novel

main rivet
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Humanity sticks research installations on every Forerunner spot in the galaxy.

carmine sleet
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They wouldn't have been able to have research outposts on the Ark were it not for Hunters in the Dark

main rivet
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Ok, we're just going in circles. There's nothing in Hunters in the Dark that had to be there in order for Halo Wars 2 to take place. You apparently disagree. There's no point belaboring it.

carmine sleet
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You ignored the valid points I made on the topic because it didn't line up with what you want

main rivet
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It'd be the equivalent of saying Hunters in the Dark had to be written to explain how humanity is on Installation 07 for Infinite.

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It's irrelevant.

humble yacht
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If Hunters in the Dark didn't happen, Tragic Solitude would still be alive and would not have let the Banished infiltrate the Ark unchallenged

carmine sleet
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That is also true

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Granted, I don't think anyone would be able to infiltrate the Ark if Tragic was alive given their plan to just wipe the galaxy out

void oar
main rivet
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Tragic Solitude was irrelevant. The same way Despondent Pyre is likely irrelevant.

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He was randomly a no-show in Halo 3 so few people would be asking where he was in HW2.

versed helm
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It started on oct 20

main rivet
void oar
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Oh ok

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Thanks

main rivet
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The entire idea of Truth specifically and deliberately planning the Schism seems like something that really only got solidified after Halo 2.

versed helm
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Truth already had plans in motion to remove the elites, as u can see from the book halo first strike at the end. The survivors that lived after chief and company wrecked the unyielding ship, he had tartarus murder all pilots and survivors

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So in a way, he had it all planned out to remove the elites for good

pine sage
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Before the events of halo 2

versed helm
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This happend after halo CE and before halo 2

main rivet
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Killing the pilots was much more about the Forerunner crystal macguffin than Truth's political goals.

void oar
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I forgot, why did truth want to remove elites anyway

pine sage
versed helm
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Cz the elites held a lot of political sway in the council

pine sage
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That's my guess anyway

main rivet
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It'd been stewing for decades.

versed helm
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Thats what happened jormun

main rivet
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Bungie's background suggests specifically that Truth had to go with his plan because otherwise the council would select new hierarchs.

versed helm
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If u noticed, the prophet said: ur kind never believed in the promises of the great journey

main rivet
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So there's a sliding scale of when he decided to pull the trigger, with that being the latest.

void oar
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Right

versed helm
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So in a way they could have the whole covenant turn against the prophhets

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But mr truth greedy as he was did the uno reverse card on the elites

void oar
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And then he got stabbed in the back literally

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How ironic

versed helm
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Yep

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He also knew the connection humanity had with the forerunners and wanted them gone

humble yacht
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So did Regret

pine sage
versed helm
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Yep, exactly that. As u said, all the powerful elites that could have swayed the council to expose the truth vs the prophets, were sent on suicide missions

pine sage
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And with truth afraid they might learn of the mistranslation in forerunner glyphs that started the war, truth sought to have them slaughtered

versed helm
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One such arbiter ( the guy that killed noble 6) got killed very soon after that

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Cz he was so powerful all races feared him, there is a vid about it on YT

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Sry if this isnt the place to send, but i just joined yesterday

pine sage
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There was no arbiter in halo reach. All the sangheili were in modern armor. The last arbiter was during the events of halo wars. He was thels immediate predecessor

versed helm
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Could have sworn there was and it was this guy. I saw this vid a long time ago, so the memory of it is foggy

pine sage
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You're talking about the fleetmaster

versed helm
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Have to rewatch it all, but correct me when i am wrong ^^

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Possibly.jorm, have read threads where players have referred to him as an arbiter

carmine sleet
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I believe it's a common misunderstanding in the community that the Elite that stands in the foreground of the scene where Six dies is either Thel or an Arbiter despite how neither of those are possible, Thel was chasing the Pillar of Autumn, and the Elite seen was wearing what looked like an Ultra's armour

main rivet
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There's no indication that Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was at Reach.

versed helm
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Not thel, some diff arbiter. But could be wrong

main rivet
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And yeah, the implication is there was no Arbiter at the time.

pine sage
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Truth didnt like that the sangheili liked to think critically about a situation essentially. They arent as blindly fanatic as the jiralhanae for as fearfully compliant as the unggoy

versed helm
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Would have been an epic twist if the elites turned on the prophets before the great schism, as in finding out beforehand that the humans are in a way related to the forerunners

pine sage
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If they'd paid attention early on and noticed that humans could just touch forerunner tech and it works while they themselves had to have huragok fannagle it to get it to work, then they would have turned on the prophets long way early on in the war.

versed helm
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Yeah..would have been a suprising turn of events thats for sure

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What bugs me though, is the last mission on Reach, John got cortana way before that happened, so i wanna know which one is the canon one

humble yacht
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huh

pine sage
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Yeah that kinda irks me. Because he should be in orbit with Linda around that time

humble yacht
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both cortana are canon

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because she can fragment herself

versed helm
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Hmm..it is possible that the cortana that got delivered was a fragment? But doesnt make any sense to me tbh

pine sage
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In fact, with the book, the autumn was in orbit throught all of the fighting

humble yacht
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that's literally what happened

versed helm
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They only dropped down in reach when the ship was heavily damaged as far as i remember, chief already had cortana way before that

humble yacht
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Halsey kept a fragment of cortana to analyze the forerunner data. when Noble 6 delivered the fragment to Keyes, he took it back to the autumn where it would recombine with the rest of cortana

versed helm
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Hmm i see

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Now it makes sense

humble yacht
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Cortana had the ability to make copies of herself before she was assigned to chief

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she got it by absorbing some covenant ai

pine sage
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No, the copy program was acquired during first strike. Smart ai can split a part of themselves off, it's not a copy.

versed helm
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I assumed that she learned that after halo 1 during the capture of the covenant ship

humble yacht
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Black Box can sort of do it too but not as well

versed helm
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Yes, from the covenant smart AI, as far as i remember she said this is the first time she saw a smart ai from the covenant

humble yacht
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well reach retcons this because she had the copy ability before first strike

pine sage
# humble yacht only cortana can make copies/fragments

Not true. Any smart ai can split off a fragment of themselves and leave it somewhere and bring it back later to assimilate the gathered data.

Cortana acquired the copy program by tearing apart the covenant ai in first strike. She first used that program on the massive covenant station to gum up the system.

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humble yacht
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the only smart AI we've seen using this ability are Cortana and Black Box

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in Shadows of Reach we see that Kalmiya left subroutines of herself behind after final dispensation but this is a separate thing

versed helm
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Think Kalmiya was Cortana' older sis?

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Or am i wrong?

pine sage
humble yacht
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Kalmiya was a prototype smart AI Halsey made

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humble yacht
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please disable pings when replying

pine sage
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Sorry

humble yacht
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in the case of Cortana, fragment and copy are interchangeable terms

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Cortana's fragments retain her personality and abilities

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while Black Box's fragments were considered "dumb" processes that had limited functionality compared to Black Box itself

versed helm
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Sorry for asking, what is Black Box? I have never encountered this so far

pine sage
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Kilo 5s AI

versed helm
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Ah gottcha ty

humble yacht
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BB is an ONI AI that literally looks like a black box

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it doesn't use a human avatar because it doesn't like humans the same way other AI do

versed helm
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Ah, noted. Thank you both for explaining it to me.

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As for the cortana thing, it is possible that halsey made a small fragment of the real cortana that has the routines and what not to opearate the autumn

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While chief getting the real thing way back

pine sage
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When an ai leaves a fragment they leave a literal part of themselves in the system they leave it in. When cortana made a copy, the only ai to do so, nothing is left behind, it's a literal clone. The AI she ripped it from was a captured UNSC smart ai that was so badly degraded from a long line of copying copies it isnt funny.

She originally made one to pay attention to other issues on the unyielding heirophant. The copy wound up making copies and giving them assignments and it kept going from there.

Cortana didnt lose anything when the station was destroyed and the copies with it.

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Black box lost a fair bit when it came to his fragment that wound up getting corrupted from the damage that the recording unit suffered.

native lily
exotic adder
native lily
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@exotic adder my children still need a father

versed helm
native lily
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U single???@exotic adder

native lily
exotic adder
native lily
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Yes i don't have much time to work cuz i have to feed them all. And u probably understand that dog food becomes costly.. so I'd need you for support😓@exotic adder

obsidian thistle
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Did someone ask who Black-Box is? :D They are an AI who shows themself as a Black Box. XD

https://www.halopedia.org/Black-Box

Halopedia
Black-Box

Black-Box (AI Serial Number: BBX 8995-1), commonly referred to as "BB", is a fourth-generation "smart" artificial intelligence construct built by the United Nations Space Command. He is under the supervision of the Office of Naval Intelligence and was the personal assistant to then-Rear Admiral Serin Osman during her command of Kilo-Five, a high...

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I honestly love that

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One of the best characters from the Kilo-5 trilogy

viscid trout
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course that's not much of a high bar when you conider....certain factors.

obsidian thistle
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Well I will say K5 has a lotta great characters.

versed helm
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Black-Box: "A blue-lit cube "

obsidian thistle
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Holograms ;)

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They may be "blue" but its a Black Box

versed helm
obsidian thistle
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They are also voiced by Peter Serafinowicz. :D

versed helm
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That names does sound familiar

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Yes, I asked about Black Box. Thank you!

obsidian thistle
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No worries! :D

versed helm
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I like the way they look

obsidian thistle
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It was one of the more original AI designs lol. Before Butler and Lumu came along that is

cobalt quiver
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Any comics that feature the banished, or take place around HW2?

frozen lagoon
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havent played halo 2 in a bit so this may be answered, but why do the covenant go after the sacred icon on 05 right away but didnt go for it on 04? did they not know where it was on 04? did they not know about the icon until spark told them?

humble yacht
humble yacht
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Iirc the covenant didn’t learn about the index until they interrogated Guilty Spark in halo 2

ivory summit
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I did have a thought what if the Cortana we all know from halo 5 is just one of the fragments (like from the end of halo 4) that has gone mad(corrupted by the domain?) and has the good Cortana locked up tight inside the domain with no ability todo anything but watch.

versed helm
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Hardly but a good thought

pine sage
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like using the copy program from the covenant AI and using it to separate herself from her true self before imprisoning the latter? Having a cortana copy still around could possibly explain why the weapon's self deletion didn't happen.

versed helm
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If that is the case then that is a major plot twist

pine sage
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it would be. Let's see how well this theory ages

versed helm
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Yup

pine sage
ivory summit
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🙂

novel pier
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Master chief does the first ring boom boom kill a profhet stops the halo rings from firing stops the didict (idk how to write his name its the guy from halo 4 the bad guy yea this guy ) finds cortana only for him to get betrayed locke saves him master chief sees arbiter and doctor holsey and the end for now see u in halo infinite

main rivet
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The self-deletion can be explained by how Cortana herself disabled her deletion subroutines, no Covenant AI copying stuff needed.

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The question then becomes who developed the Weapon.

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Because if it was Halsey, she would almost certainly know that "the plan" wasn't going to work like they wanted it.

versed helm
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So what 20th century war was Crow's Nest built for?

last anchor
unique rune
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So what 20th century war was Crow's Nest built for?
Cut dialogue in Halo 3 says the second World War, but not being present in the final game it's not really canon.

wispy wasp
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how close was the end of the human covenant war for both sides?

main rivet
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In terms of extinction? No one was critically threatened.

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Even humanity still had many far-flung colonies, etc. if Earth had fallen.

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As it turned out the UNSC was a more resilient military/political organization than the Covenant.

wispy wasp
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how about covenant side?

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because halo 3 makes it seem like the fleet on earth was basically all that remained of it

unique rune
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Yeah, that's... rather far off. What we see in 3 is just what's left of Truth's fleet after Operation: FIRST STRIKE and whatever stragglers remained from the High Charity defense fleet.

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The actual, full extent of the Covenant isn't known as far as I'm aware but it's pretty safe to say they still had a considerable spread of assets, all of which would eventually find its way into various remnant groups after the fall of the Covenant.

wispy wasp
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ahh, ok

versed helm
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Plus, they were most likely fighting other interstellar empires besides humanity

stable flower
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Don't forget about their civil conflicts they were dealing with while fighting humanity.

austere cairn
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I'm playing halo reach, ce 2, odst, 3, 4, and 5 today in canon order (id do halo wars but its not my cup of tea)

warm seal
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ive been wondering do UNSC teach kids and people about the world wars cold war etc?

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or bOUT THE DINOSAURS

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sorry caps

tepid vault
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Probably, they do it today so why not in the future?

warm seal
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i mean its like a 600 years deffrence

tepid vault
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Well, dinosaurs are awesome as heck why forget about them