#lore-and-universe

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wispy wasp
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I see what you mean about the double standard

steep ether
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so cortana's a communist

wispy wasp
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Yeah basically

shut dew
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Cortana is the ultimate chad, finally putting her foot down and yelling ENOUGH with epic space owls

versed helm
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What actually happened to the UEG President when Cortana took over Earth?

shut dew
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Probably ousted by a Promethean coup

versed helm
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Or dead

shut dew
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You know what could be good horror-depression material for Halo that hasn't been done?
A log from a ship permanently trapped in Slipspace, whether it be Covenant/Banished or Human

terse lava
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We do kinda see something akin to that in the Foreurnnrr trilogy. Slipspace Reconciliation got so bad, that some warships that attempted to leave a battle, ended up trapped between the main reality, and infinite others

slim thorn
shut dew
viscid salmon
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A jump you just can't get out of eh? So far as I know, there's no light in Slipspace either.

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That just makes it even more silky smooth on the human psyche

versed helm
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I say the closest we got was the Mona Lisa story

terse lava
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Mona Lisa was more akin to Desd Space

humble yacht
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dead space was better

ashen rivet
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Halsey did nothing wrong

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change my mind

craggy sierra
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She kidnapped children to stop farmers from gaining independance

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That's like ruining two lives for the price of one

ashen rivet
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ok and?

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those children ended saving humanity

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imo insurrectionists don’t have excuse of committing terrorist acts

craggy sierra
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Neither did the UNSC but they kinda started it

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Being a government entity does not make attacks against undeserved civilian bodies not terrorism.

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It's just better funded terrorism.

gilded mason
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Not to mention, there's a lot of rebel factions, with varying levels of violence they commit, while the UNSC is a single organization, so anything bad they do does reflect on them as whole, unlike the insurrectionists.

slim thorn
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There are a lot of case where UNSC defects to rebels, while only a very few rebels defects to UNSC, such as Morgan Kinsano.

ashen rivet
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she based

humble yacht
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He moral of the story is people suck

ashen rivet
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sorry but i wont forgive them because they killed the rookie

craggy sierra
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They killed one person you know literally nothing about?

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Rookie's not a character. He was a framing device for someone else's story

slim thorn
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Rookie is a guy that will listen to the entire Alpha-Nine rants all day long. Now Romeo and Mickey have to take Rookie's role to listen the rants of double couples (Buck and Dare, and Dutch and Gretchen).

stable flower
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Rookie is your basic mute SPEHS MEHREEN

last anchor
craggy sierra
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I mean...you kinda can. That's how shield worlds and stuff works.

humble yacht
versed helm
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I know the covenant only attacked New Mombasa because of the forerunner artifacts but why didn’t they glass Earth like what they did to reach if they had the chance

gilded mason
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They did attack elsewhere

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Though anyway, there was no reason to glass the whole planet, since they kinda needed it for the portal. (It'd take a very, very long time to glass the whole thing anyway)

versed helm
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Oh yeah I forgot about the ark thing

humble yacht
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They also didn’t have a fleet big enough to successfully glass the whole planet

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12 ships total, iirc. It wasn’t a fleet intended for a big fight

versed helm
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Oh yeah, they came in with a small fleet too not expecting humans as cortana said

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Man I gotta go back to my memories of playing the campaign before I ask a question

fair hazel
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and i wouldnt take thethe reach datapads as good source for their calculations

runic creek
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I’f it weren’t for the arbiter the whole planet would have been glassed at least that’s what shipmaster said.

humble yacht
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We’re talking about a different situation

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Not when the flood came

runic creek
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That brings up another question when High charity arrives at the ark it is assumed that it was from the portal in Africa?And if so I wonder how much of a fight if any did earths defenses play?

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Oooh

gilded mason
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It did not go through the Ark portal

humble yacht
gilded mason
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It arrived in the Sol system at Mars, saw the situation, and immediately jumped to the Ark using a modified slipspace jump

runic creek
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I thought that was the only way using the portal in Africa

humble yacht
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No

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That’s only if you don’t know where the ark is located

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(Also the portal is generally the fastest route)

runic creek
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Since the ark is in a unknown location far out of the Milky Way galaxy and since The forerunner Dreadknot is no longer on high Charity I don’t see how it could’ve arrived unless somehow the grave mind figured it out it’s location or gained enough biomass to remember its location? If that’s how it works?

gilded mason
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Yes, it was aware of the location through its past memories, most likely

humble yacht
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The gravemind learned where the ark was back in the war, either from Mendicant Bias or some random assimilated forerunner

runic creek
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Another question I have is did the entire covenant fleet go through the portal? And if it wasn’t the entire covenant armada where the rest waiting at earth or what were they doing? If that’s explored at all

humble yacht
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What was left of the covenant

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The schism did a number on their total forces

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All the covenant at earth went through the portal

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(The ones that survived, anyway)

runic creek
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what did the public know about what was going on in Africa?

humble yacht
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I imagine the important bits were covered up as much as possible by ONI

runic creek
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Like did the citizens of earth know that there was a portal or was that unknown at the time. Was public information just The cabinet is glassing Africa and is fighting amongst themselves

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Covenant*

humble yacht
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Voi would have been evacuated by the time the portal activated

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That or the civies were dead

runic creek
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I would like to see 343 cover news footage or public reaction to the events of halo 3 and how little they knew

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Like the forerunner’s and forerunner technology is completely unknown to the public right? I heard that somewhere before might’ve been a hidden Xperia video or halo cannon some halo YouTube .

craggy sierra
dawn knot
fair hazel
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wonder waht they made there

dawn knot
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They WERE shipyards

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And they are called dock workers

craggy sierra
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All the water in the area was gone for days if not weeks at that point

slim thorn
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If there were shipyards, then one of the possibility is like Reach's Aszod shipyard, where they construct UNSC Space Warships.

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Voi could be also a part of UNSC's shipyard.

craggy sierra
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No it was literally a traditional water boat shipyard in those levels

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The area where you fight the scarab was a wharf

wispy wasp
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Big shoutout to a large part of africa

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which is just glass

ashen rivet
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people barely knew they were being invaded by the covenant

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also the zone where the flood spread in kenya is still in quarantine

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also africa was not the only part invaded by the covenant, they also invaded antartica and mexico

gaunt smelt
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343i is real in the halo universe

ashen rivet
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i don’t think a videogame company can survive 500 years

gaunt smelt
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Its a tech company

dawn knot
terse lava
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Always found it interesting what the Covenant forces hoped to find in that crater off the gulf coast

dapper pecan
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Was the Spartan III program public knowledge like the Spartan II's or was it kept classified and people simply believed they are Spartan II's or something?

gaunt smelt
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No idea

ripe skiff
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I made a list of banished member please tell me if I missed anyone or got there status wrong

ashen rivet
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i think people believed all the spartans were the same

ripe skiff
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Nevermind it won’t let me post my list

ashen rivet
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also the ONI falsified master chief story

gaunt smelt
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Office of Nasal Interference

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ONI

ashen rivet
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the word oni reminds me to the japanese folklore

gaunt smelt
gaunt smelt
ripe skiff
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I guess if anyone’s interested I could send it in DMs

ashen rivet
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im talking about the japanese ogre named oni

gaunt smelt
ashen rivet
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let’s go back to the topic, even spartans II weren’t aware of the spartan III program

gaunt smelt
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What in the world

ripe skiff
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Since it gets deleted

wispy wasp
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When the SII were preparing to leave to do red flag was reach being invaded?

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And red flag was canceled when the rest of the fleet arrived?

wispy wasp
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Or i guess more specifically when the fleet of particular justice arrived

unique rune
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More or less

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The Pillar of Autumn was undergoing shakedown tests before preparing to depart for RED FLAG when the Covenant arrived in the Epsilon Eridani system

peak hornet
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So Im fairly new to the Halo Lore, I have just recently beat all of the Halo's on the MCC, and I have one question. Did Noble Six die? My buddy tells me that he survive for another two weeks?

dawn knot
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He died

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Your bud believes he survived the glassing, which is a misconception

peak hornet
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I thought so, at the end of reach I thought for sure he didnt avoid the last energy sword the elite was about to bring down on him

slim thorn
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Noble Six was pinned down, and he can't sustain much injury like that.

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But in the end, he kills around six elites before he was executed

last anchor
cobalt thunder
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About the noble six thing… one time me and my friend tried to beat the mission failing every time not knowing it was unbeatable

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We killed dozens each time before dying tho so I think we held off enough covenant

ashen rivet
coarse axle
ashen rivet
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Ah, the unicorn like armour with a weird description

grim copper
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Fotus

last anchor
ashen rivet
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no tactical advantage

versed helm
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They renewed this ?!

ashen rivet
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“Tested in the rough and tumble streets of downtown Kirkland, Washington.”

last anchor
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Mainly since H4 FOTUS was a Halo 4 themed console bonus code and not intended for main use. H5s is in there with the rest, so what’s in its lore is most likely full canon

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And I makes sense at least to me; we have at least 3 sets of off the books powered armor, they’d need something to answer it

viscid salmon
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The citizens of Kirkland were just as confused as we are.

ashen rivet
viscid salmon
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Hand-crafted from the finest locally-sourced materials and repurposed Forerunner technology, FOTUS-class powered assault armor has proven invaluable in Seattle's corporate shadow-wars.

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^Chest description

ashen rivet
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so is like an infiltration armour?

last anchor
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Infiltration/asymmetrical warfare/MOUT/street fighting yes

fair hazel
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i would like to see one of those non-unsc augmented soldier in ficiton

coarse axle
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That's what Spartan IIs were :^) I'm just wrong

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Only on a technicality is ONI part of the UNSC

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Kind of like the CIA except the CIA only contracts out of the military when they need to

dawn knot
trail merlin
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man i’m listening to fall of reach right now and those odst troopers have it tough man they always gotta go head to head with chief and it always ends with death 😂

shy hedge
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They do a Spartans job without the Spartan armor

trail merlin
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this is such a good book i’m on chapter 31 and it’s getting spicy

coarse axle
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Gage Yevgenny was an absolute hero

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He played life on LASO mode

carmine sleet
fringe kindle
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Does anyone know know the Lifespans of the Brutes I've been looking but i can't find much on it or is it just largely unknown

tacit flint
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What does LF.Xx.3273.> mean? I know it's the Flood, but it doesn't quite fit to letter "L"...

carmine sleet
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It's the Flood Super Cell

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The basis of all Flood biomass

tacit flint
carmine sleet
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Didn't need to tag me and the L is just part of the designation

ashen rivet
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is interesting how spark misunderstood chief with the iso-didact

versed helm
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Spark thought chief was one of the didacts?

ashen rivet
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indeed

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Because chief has the geas of the iso didact

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and spark is an imprint of chakas

carmine sleet
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Spark isn't exactly the most sane when we meet him in Combat Evolved. He didn't think Chief was the Iso-Didact, he just mistook him for the Iso-Didact in that moment

ashen rivet
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indeed

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the iso didact before activating the rings he asked to chakas
“Were it your choice, could you fire the Halo array?”

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so spark in rampant state told the chief when cortana warned about the activation and chief asked if is true
“More or less…but you already knew that… I mean, how couldn’t you? We have followed outbreak procedure to the letter. You were with me each step of the way as we managed this crisis…Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?…Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.”

main rivet
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I also don't necessarily think he has to be specifically mistaking him for the Iso-Didact, he can also just be talking about "you" insofar their status as reclaimers. Remember, he's treating them throughout as knowing way more than they actually do.

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And it's worth underlining the idea that Chief has the geas of the Iso Didact is not at all supported by the available evidence.

last anchor
main rivet
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Well, he has the instinctual understanding of Forerunner tech, which means he has a geas, but insofar as what we see those geas ≠ the embedded personalities of once-living individuals.

carmine sleet
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It's extremely unlikely Chief somehow has the Geas of the Iso-Didact like many people think

main rivet
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Is that theory entirely based on the interaction with 343GS? Because it's kind of ridiculous if so, but I guess bad fan theories and explanations travel twice as fast as good ones, etc. How we're still dealing with people legitimately arguing on r/HaloStory that MJOLNIR "relieves" Spartans, I have no idea...

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(or, for that matter, that all Spartans are asexuals...)

carmine sleet
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Hold up? People think that Mjolnir can raise the dead?

main rivet
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Lol no, they think the armor jacks the wearer off.

carmine sleet
main rivet
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It's all just misreading a passage in TFOR and turning "possible side effect" into "all Spartans had this", and then ignoring all evidence to the contrary (Maria, Randall, Black Team, etc.)

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So we've had up to 15 years of proof to the contrary and people still are arguing about it.

carmine sleet
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That doesn't remove the possibility of some being ace though, since being ace is just part of someone, like how someone being bi is just part of who that person is

main rivet
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Yeah, but it can't be used as evidence they are.

austere stone
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page 57-58 of Point Of Light gives a nice description of the new Zeta Ring, very fascinating

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i don’t wanna spoil but i hope we see sparks 343 in infinite

main rivet
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Given that he's jetting off with a Forerunner world, I kind of feel like he's never coming back in the games, certainly not in Infinite.

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Felt like Point of Light was putting a lot of work into wrapping up the arcs of Spark and the Librarian (hopefully we're done with Force ghosts telling us what to do.)

wispy bough
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@obsidian thistle Is there any lore that says Halsey is alive in 2589 and is actually on Reach delivering that speech about Noble Six?

fair hazel
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@wispy bough no. Only that we know a speech was given but there’s no confirmation when and where for sure

wispy bough
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Bless.

viscid salmon
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She would be 97 years old. I don't think such an age would be impossible to achieve in the Halo universe and still be active, but she could have given that eulogy any time between now and then.

stable flower
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Yeah, look at Parangosky

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By Halo Infinite she'll be 99

viscid salmon
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The more I think about the size of Onyx the more interested I am in its distant future.

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So much land, so many potential stories.

humble yacht
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... didn’t it blow up?

pulsar grail
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lol

fair hazel
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He’s referring to shield world 006

wispy wasp
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why did the covenant sometimes take prisoners?

carmine sleet
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For information, or what was more common for the Brutes, for food and sport

wispy wasp
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what about the ones on high charity? seems like an odd spot to keep a prisoner just for information

shy hedge
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Yeah, since I think they were also just common marines. It would make more sense if they were officers

viscid salmon
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"Having been previously located within the artificial planet Onyx, the shield world is often still referred to as Onyx.[9]"

tacit flint
peak turret
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i hope we can get a game that will revive halo

carmine sleet
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Halo's not dead

devout abyss
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Why didn't ODST gloves cover the fingers?

carmine sleet
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Fingerless gloves are cool

unique rune
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I would imagine the intent was for better dexterity as fingerless gloves are usually for.

carmine sleet
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Ok, that's true as well but come on, they are cool

unique rune
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Can't disagree with that

dawn knot
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Did the ODSTs have proper hearing protection?

unique rune
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Presumably that would've been one of the many functions of their helmets.

obsidian thistle
humble yacht
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Maybe. But when would Halsey be in a position to deliver a eulogy to Noble 6? Certainly not on Onyx, too much stuff was happening. Not while she’s in jail, i doubt she’d be thinking about it. Not while working on the Infinity, again, her mind would probably be on other things. The only time I could think when she’d be likely to deliver such a speech would be during some commemorative event on Reach

last anchor
viscid salmon
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I guess. Could just go full operator operating operationally and go sleeveless.

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In all seriousness, having finger dexterity does help. It's just that they deployed from orbit in vacuum.

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Still plenty of time between a and b for a leak or an outright breach of the pods.

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They'd live sure, but their fingers would hurt. Really hurt.

craggy sierra
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Pretty sure you ain't livin' if anything goes wrong with your drop pod

viscid salmon
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I could see small breaches happening if you catch flak.

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Not directly of course.

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Rookie walked off a mid-air collision.

humble yacht
coarse axle
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The whole of their team survived

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Also the dude in the Babysitter survived :^)

stable flower
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Those hundred or so ODSTs that dropped before them on the other hand...

steep ether
coarse axle
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Maybe that's his name idk

steep ether
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he just landed in a bad spot, Checkman died because he got hit with a asteroid and died in Heian's atmosphere

wispy wasp
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Would the orion soldiers be compatible with mjolnir?

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Or were there augmentations not chosen with mjolnir in mind?

carmine sleet
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Not likely. If they were, they would've got them to test it

wispy wasp
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Fair enough

versed helm
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So what happened to NATO by the 26th century?

coarse axle
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If I had to guess, dissolved at some point during or before the 23rd century, or at least in the extremely early stages of interplanetary colonization

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This is likely because the UN reforms as the Unified Earth Government in 2170 which would render NATO useless, or would at least absorb it and dissolve it into different sub-organizations

craggy sierra
worthy flame
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how the marines carrie the SPANKer ammo

craggy sierra
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Hammer space

unique rune
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They Just Do™️

last anchor
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Presumably not in large boxes like we see in the games for sure

dawn knot
fair hazel
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Which is why a design like the pilum is better

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Practical

dawn knot
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Pilum?

unique rune
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The M57 rocket launcher introduced in Halo 5

carmine sleet
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Someone agrees with me that it's a better design?

unique rune
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I think it's a much more sensible and practical design, and I used to criticize the M41 for the full tube swap being dumb, but seeing something like the real-world AT-4... it's not that much of a stretch to me anymore that someone would look at the M41 and think it makes sense.

viscid trout
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Hats always why I saw that being more used then the SPNKR. Alot more practical with easier to carry ammo. Easier to reload as well.

last anchor
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The difference makes sense if you look at the ammo sizes.
The Pilums smaller and faster to reload, makes more sense to carry it on the move.
While the SPNKr fires a frankly enormous 102mm shaped charge round that could probably blow an entire houses wall off with ease, but its heavy and bulky, so you use it for a defensive roll against stuff like large Covenant vehicles or entire building floors

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Ive always seen the Pilum being related too or a spinoff of the M19-Bs from Ghosts of Onyx, since those seem to be Stinger-like single shot missiles.

viscid salmon
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Mechanically the Pilum makes more sense as a rocket launcher.

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Carry magazines and not whole tubes.

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M41 is definitely an anti-armor design.

sly dragon
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Wow thats alot of lore...

viscid salmon
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The rockets are half the size of the ones in the M41

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50mm vs 102mm

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It's just not as marketable as the M41

viscid trout
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Still a neat weapon, though. Imo.

viscid salmon
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In my opinion, they are two rocket launchers that fill different battlefield roles.

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M41 for heavy and anti air purposes

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M57 for light anti armor and anti infantry.

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If a rocket launcher can actually ever be used for anti infantry...

last anchor
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Its a video game, you have to use a rocket against infantry

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This is why the M19 that comes out of the SPNKr explodes like its packed with broad range explosives instead of what it actually is; a shaped charge warhead

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I dont think those explode OUTWARDS on impact do they?

viscid trout
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With some of the things the unsc fight, it makes sense.

last anchor
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Well not really, considering until the Covenant came along they spent most of their time fighting equal footed human forces or the space equivilent of Middle Eastern militants.

stable flower
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It's used against Hunters

last anchor
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Yes, and what is a Hunter effectively?
I bipedal tank

stable flower
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IRL some rocket launchers have anti-personnel warheads. I assume Halo's RLs do as well (in-universe)

viscid trout
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Plus brutes. Rockets should be good against them.

last anchor
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They do, but we haven't had any of them mentioned just yet.
The Pilum presumably carries them however as its flavor text mentions experimental munitions.
And the two variants of it in Warzone are canon in some form or another. Presumably much different from the game play version for balance and engine reliability

viscid trout
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Especially the chieftains. And yeah, that as well.

last anchor
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Ironically enough we have canon confirmation of rockets being used against Chieftains. One of the Marines in Landfall uses a SPNKr to kill one

viscid trout
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Which makes sense. Cause that probably isn't even considered overkill on those dudes.

last anchor
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Not really

stable flower
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Seeing how heavily-armored and shielded Chieftans are, it's fair

viscid trout
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Amd also the fear of seeing one charge right at you.

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Like a...psycho cannabalistic roided out murder truck.

hot ibex
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oh

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no embed ;-;

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Well, if anyone has a diagram of the YSS-1000 and could send it to me, that would be nice.

unique rune
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here’s a secret:
a diagram that goes into that kind of detail probably doesn’t exist

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at best you’ll get some fanmade thing speculating on what it’s supposed to be

hot ibex
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I thought that might be the case, but wanted to ask anyway. The best I could find was an image labeled "concept art" on the wiki, which points to a similarly shaped but not the same object underneath the nose and says it's a spartan laser, but there are so many differences between that concept art and the Saber that I just cant trust that.

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My best guess was a air intake until I remembered that it's used in space, where there is no air...

steep ether
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sensor maybe

viscid salmon
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It's a spaceplane though.

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Could be used either on ascent or on the way down.

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Sensor makes the most sense to me though.

unique rune
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It could even still be a Spartan laser. But no official specifications have ever pointed it out and given it a specific function so as far as anyone knows it's just detail for the sake of looking cool.

fair hazel
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It looks like sensor suite

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and use halopedia

hot ibex
# fair hazel and use halopedia

Ah, thank you, Halopedia had some images from different angles of the Saber! One image even has some of the internals so that might help.

dusty prawn
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If they wanted it to be a spartan laser they probably would have put it in as a weapon option or something I think. Maybe what happened is it's designed after a sensor, the concept artist wanted it to be spartan laser that looks like an optical/IR sight, but when the devs put it to model in the game they just kinda ignored the spartan laser idea entirely and left it looking like a sensor. That's my theory

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Sometimes things can be kind of fluid like that. Designed because it looks cool, "oh it can be a spartan laser", and then the next team just puts it in another slightly different spot and makes it functionless.

hot ibex
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I did think the pole that pokes out from slightly left of the thing was a sensor, but never thought that it could be a sensor.
I do think it's a bit oversized compared to modern sensors, however the Saber is an experimental craft with a powerful targeting system, according to the wiki, so that is entirely possible that there is an oversized but powerful experimental sensor.

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My other theories so far would be a shield generator or a heat exhaust that turns engine heat into non-visible light to cool the engines off, since light is one of the only forms of heat transfer in a vacuum. However, if it really is a radiator, then it's placement would be questionably far from the afterburners.

runic creek
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What are the bars on the warthog for? Like on the front and back

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343 version of the warthog

versed helm
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Bumper

unique rune
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They’re for doing bar things

versed helm
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They're for lifting the warthog up and crushing the enemy with

dusty prawn
# hot ibex I did think the pole that pokes out from slightly left of the thing was a sensor...

The image with the red circle you linked made me think it was a gun, because it does seem to have almost an opening divot at the end, but maybe that's a coincidence, and also it never fires or anything. Most likely the concept art for that piece is based on a pitot probe off of a jet aircraft, which can be situated out in front on a stick so that it is unaffected by the wake from the aircraft or from shock waves when transonic. You see it on the front of many many fighter aircraft like the F-16 or just about most russian fighter jets.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0fcb13b18349ffa7c18df7aaa25cf6ac-c
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/plane-is-seen-during-the-nato-tiger-meet-2015-drill-press-news-photo-473078932-1546540354.jpg?resize=768:*

There's also a chance it is based on the other UNSC capital ship designs, as they LOVE their forward facing probes, and have them in spades. It might be a smaller version of that?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETje1NgXYAEUYtF?format=png&name=900x900
https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Forward_Unto_Dawn#/media/File:H3-UNSCForwardUntoDawnFrigate.png

void oar
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Why was rtas so cold to arbiter in the cutscene of the arbiter mission

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He said to arbiter “their lives matter to me yours does not”

gilded mason
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Because he was pretty sore about a sacred ring getting destroyed

void oar
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking

waxen anchor
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He was basically the "fall guy" for the Ring's destruction

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Even though it was some minor Prophet who prevented him from actually commanding effectively

wispy wasp
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The PoA would've been annihilated had they chose to attack it instead of boarding it

wispy wasp
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Is there any reason to why the spires seen in reach weren't used any time after?

carmine sleet
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We just haven't seen them in any media since Halo Reach

coarse axle
# wispy wasp Is there any reason to why the spires seen in reach weren't used any time after?

They were used for teleporting enemy forces to Reach from the looming supercarrier quickly and I would imagine they couldn't be utilized like they were before for a few reasons. It's unknown how long they take to set up as they are discovered being operational during Nightfall takes place on August 11/12th, which is almost three weeks after the invasion of Reach began. CE takes place over three days, they weren't invading which means they had no use for Spires, and that's even if any of the Covenant ships were outfitted to carry them and if they had any more. The Battle of Earth also takes place over a span of weeks like Reach, however, the Great Schism takes place less than 10 days after it starts which could have removed the Covenant's ability to deploy such technology so quickly.

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Since Earth is pretty much entirely populated and was the hardest the UNSC had ever fought, it also makes sense that they couldn't find a place to set them up.

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In the Reclaimer Saga, the Covenant there might not have had any, or probably didn't need them in their attempts at siding with the Prometheans and their inability to deploy them in places that mattered. In Halo 5, it's likely that the Covenant remnants couldn't make effective use of them due to the constantly changing battlefield

craggy sierra
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I don't think they teleported stuff

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Either that or covenant teleportation technology is just literally never brought up before or after again

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I was under the impression they just provided signal cloaking for the transport of supplies and troops from carrier to ground

coarse axle
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But it's not very apparent apart from one line in the game. Also I'm only providing an in-universe theory as to why we don't see them and honestly it's not that bad of a theory

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I also think the teleportation comes from the Covenan't use of forerunner technology since the only other time in a Bungie game where we see it is when Gravemind teleports Chief to High Charity

slim thorn
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The first thing to notice is the Covenant landing on Reach is in a remote zone, so UNSC can't track it well. For Installation 04, the reason they can't use spire is because it's a sacred ring and they don't want to erect such structure to ruin its sacred status.

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Not to mention the remote area is occupied by Insurrectionist / Militias.

craggy sierra
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Also...y'know...Cortana disabled their ships so they were just as grounded as the autumn was

obsidian thistle
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Seeing as the mini-Spire had a planned model that never got released

carmine sleet
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That's a shame

fringe kindle
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Is it known anywhere what Metals the covenant use for vehicles and Armour I've found Nanolaminate was used for ships is it also used for Vehicles and armour or is it unknown what metals they use for that is, Any help is much appreciated

cobalt thunder
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I feel like the covenant and unsc should’ve developed cloaking tech with all their vehicles and what not based on the other tech they have

viscid salmon
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Technically prowlers are radar cloaked.

slim thorn
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For the ground vehicle it's difficult.

last anchor
slim thorn
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Unless you want to took a reference from Mirage Tank from Red Alert 2 and 3

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Or maybe Nod's stealth tank that will only pops up when attacking.

last anchor
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Its not really useful is the problem. Active camo, while capable of fooling normal eyes, produces an insane amount of thermal energy.

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Vehicles are already thermal beacons normally.

slim thorn
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Well... Yeah, but keeping it still could minimize it.

viscid salmon
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For a ship though you could point it in a general direction, burn for a few minutes, cut the engines, and cloak.

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It wouldn't produce as much heat

humble yacht
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Prowlers are also visually cloaked

slim thorn
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How to keep the ground vehicles into a stealth ones.

viscid salmon
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The keys seem to be don't move and kill most of your systems.

last anchor
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Going dark like a submarine

viscid salmon
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Which I think would kind of defeat heavy benefits.

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It's why it works best with ships imo

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Since they keep moving when you kill the engine.

humble yacht
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existing active camo tech loses efficacy the faster the cloaked object moves

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so it would likely be not very useful on vehicles

viscid salmon
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I dont think it would be as bad on starship though.

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Not nearly as much to contrast against versus a ground vehicle.

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Of course, that's where other systems such as stealth ablative coating pick up the slack

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Reduce your signature majorly.

humble yacht
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well its that coating that provides the visual cloaking in addition to the primary radar cloaking

viscid salmon
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Is it? Halo Alpha says that it retracts sensors to make invisible to radar "similar to the way active camouflage cloaks something from eyesight."

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Let me check another source.

humble yacht
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halopedia is better

viscid salmon
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Ah halopedia has the visual cloak part.

humble yacht
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and a citation

viscid salmon
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I dont understand why there would be more than one wiki.

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It just means there's a disconnect between articles.

humble yacht
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because they were made independently by two different groups

viscid salmon
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That part I get, that seems apparent.

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But its just redundant. Stating the obvious, I know.

humble yacht
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take it up with the admins of those sites

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maybe you can convince one to shut down

viscid salmon
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I take it it's been tried on more than one occasion.

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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the internet is a free market, redundancy is to be expected

loud kestrel
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I feel like if you could cloak a dozen spartans for an extended period of time, vehicles would mean nothing in comparison.

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the most deadly weapons ever

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send cloaked spartans to hijack a covenant ship and self destruct

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although... why even have a button like that??? its just bad all around to have a self destruct

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and I know that no marines would want to do it but could they possibly make cloaked nuke ships that you fly into covenant super carriers??

coarse axle
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So you can cloak a dozen Spartans but it means nothing if they're travelling fast enough to catch up to a Covenant ship in any sort of meaningful time

loud kestrel
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I mean like if, for example a spire appears and the ships are at a stand still while unloading troops and supplies, spartans could board that unmoving ship and blow it up

carmine sleet
loud kestrel
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cause its way more effective attacked from the inside than out

carmine sleet
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Not necessarily, if you're surrounded and you launch an attack, you're going to be at a disadvantage, regardless of whether you're a super soldier or not

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Not to mention the fact that if you're trying to pull of something like that in an enemy ship, they'll have even more of an advantage

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Much better to pick off targets one by one and slowly work your way through the Covenant ship with stealth tactics

last anchor
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Unfortunatly nukes put out radiation that can be tracked. Even through cloaking fields.

last anchor
obsidian thistle
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Honestly speaking, Halo Alpha hasnt been "curated" properly since early 2019 since the team moved to Halopedia. :) @viscid salmon

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And even then the Halo Alpha was already 4 years behind in keeping content up to date. And was plagued with choices the team didnt make that Fandom pushed.

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Thats stuff based on wiki stats, and page creation and updates on both sides, and statements on both sides.

viscid salmon
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Interesting. Didn't know know about the logistical issues behind the scenes.

obsidian thistle
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What I said above is a TLDR.

viscid salmon
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Curating a wiki period is a tall order.

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Especially when other articles need to be updated to reflect new information.

obsidian thistle
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Heh you said it! XD But is fun!

viscid salmon
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Fun as in Dwarf Fortress fun?

obsidian thistle
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Fun as in "I love finding obscure stuff" fun and "sharing it so y'all have it on record"

last anchor
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We are the lore lords, lords of all lore

viscid salmon
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Ah the genuine fun.

main rivet
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There's unfortunately no getting rid of the Halo.wikia page since it's got the google-juice, and there's no way they're shutting it down even if it's moribund.

obsidian thistle
main rivet
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Yeah, but it's still above Halopedia is many many search results.

obsidian thistle
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Give it time! :)

coarse axle
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Yep! Keep clicking on it and soon it'll be above it consistently

calm lagoon
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Managed to get a Halo book that details the human and covenant ships from my college doing a book fair

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Never would’ve expected that haha

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Never realized how huge Infinity is

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Compared to the Pillar of Autumn

coarse axle
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I joke because of the Warthog run

wispy wasp
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And don't forget it has a giant empty gap splitting it in two/s

calm lagoon
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It’s nice looking at the Covenant ships as well

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I like the designs a lot

delicate notch
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Borderlands 2 - The Pre-sequel basically use cloned halo ship designs.

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How was Warden Eternals essence special to all the other Prometeans?

stable flower
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External Access Junction 4C is weird

humble yacht
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And he could inhabit multiple bodies at once, which we had not seen before

carmine sleet
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I thought Warden was also not a Promethean

stable flower
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Does the UNSC have a Human-Covenant War service medal? Sorta like the real life Global War on Terrorism Service medal?

humble yacht
fair hazel
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soldiers aren't promethean exclusive

last anchor
fair hazel
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a 7 year old could exist in a time without human-covenant war

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but in a time with the created...

calm lagoon
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I had no idea Thel ‘Vadam’s actions as a supreme commander literally wiped out over a billion people

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That is insane

dawn knot
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I mean, when you are trying to exterminate humans, good job!

fair hazel
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missed a few billion here and there

coarse axle
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Yeah I'm proud of my boy not gonna lie, but at the same time, bro what the heck

shut dew
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Well he IS a war criminal by definition

calm lagoon
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Isn’t Halsey also considered a war criminal?

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And John for going AWOL?

carmine sleet
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Going AWOL isn't a war crime

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Like, not legal but definitely nowhere near committing genocide

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That said, going AWOL is something that can be justified if the person going AWOL is doing it for a good reason

craggy sierra
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Warcrimes usually mean violations of the geneva convention. Like torture or use of chemical weapons.

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Going AWOL is treason but not covered under geneva convention

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Child soldiers are though

slim thorn
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And UNSC manages to move fast since if they can't find him soon, Blue Team may considered listed as Deserter.

wintry igloo
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been going through all the halo books, almost done with Thurday war. All the lore and information you get is insane... wish they put in more details in there games :<

main rivet
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War crimes in the context of two galaxy-spanning empires, one of whom has no concept of the Geneva Convention, seems like an ill fit to apply to the Human-Covenant War.

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The "rules" are pretty fuzzy in terms of war on our own planetary scale, anyhow, and are endlessly debated about. (I.e. was dropping nukes on Japan a war crime? Was firebombing? Was the concept of strategic bombing itself a war crime? You'll get people with different answers.)

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I don't really get the war crime concerns with Gray Team and Glyke, though. The ethical arguments are rather undercooked in Envoy, and in any case ex-Covenant members getting upset about collateral damage on a planetary scale kind of have no leg to stand on 😛

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If you're talking about morally dubious stuff there's plenty of internal UNSC and ONI shenanigans to find fault with.

last anchor
last anchor
gilded mason
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I think destroying planets and killing innocents is bad no matter who does it. 🙂

coarse axle
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War crimes are a very human idea, they do not apply to aliens

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They're only war crimes because we, humans, signed the Geneva conventions saying what's formal and informal in war

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I don't recall Sangheili being at that meeting in the 40s

carmine sleet
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I need someone to edit Arbiter into an image of that meeting now

humble yacht
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Elites do seem to have a similar sense of morality to humans

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They don’t like betrayal

last anchor
dusty prawn
dusty prawn
gilded mason
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At least we have other examples of Elites having regret over the war.

main rivet
# gilded mason I think destroying planets and killing innocents is bad no matter who does it. �...

The problem is what qualifies as "innocent" in a total war scenario. Glyke was a major military target, and from what we understand of the Covenant a huge portion of their entire apparatus is devoted to war. If it's a valid military target, does that mean it's open season on the entire planet? If non-combatants are killed, how many are "acceptable" versus "unacceptable" war crime? Even leaving aside the asymmetry of the situation (where the other side is trying to literally snuff you out entirely) it's thorny. As much as people like "rules" to war at the end of the day it's killing other beings, there's not really a clean or proper way to do it.

shut dew
coarse axle
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Atrocities =/= War Crimes, but War Crimes = Atrocities

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You say it's a bad take but I don't see how it is. You can't say they committed war crimes if they never signed anything saying what a war crime was.

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Stop crying legality if you have no clue what the law is 🤷

shut dew
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So... combatants of a foreign nation not part of the Geneva convention should be allowed to burn civilians alive?

main rivet
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Also, there's no way in hell Arby or anyone else even in the Swords of Sangheilios would consider standing on trial. They would probably sooner just turn on humanity.

coarse axle
main rivet
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Only victors who actually have control of the situation get to declare war crimes a la Nuremberg.

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Humanity's "winning" the Human-Covenant War was less "we won" and more "our enemy blew itself up".

shut dew
coarse axle
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I'm not saying it's right or warranted or allowed or anything, I'm just saying you can't exactly sue an alien race, and even if you wanted to, they'd easily argue that they were coerced into it by an even more powerful force

coarse axle
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Simple as

main rivet
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By "upper hand" they were "mostly still standing with a functioning governance apparatus", yes. But trying to do something like drag your major ally in front of a court for war crimes is a fast-track ticket to resuming the war no one can afford to wage.

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America could have saved some time if it kept marching east during WWII but no one had the stomach to fight the USSR.

coarse axle
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Yeah Humanity would have gotten chokeslammed by the Sangheili lolllll

shut dew
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It was only an alliance out of necessity, and not one out of genuine remorse and repentance for their actions.

coarse axle
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duh

main rivet
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It's kind of funny that as much as they make of Chief and his intangible "luck" humanity only survives the Covenant War because of a massive escalating set of lucky circumstances beyond the Spartans (the Schism, the destruction of the Elite fleet by the Nova bomb, etc.)

coarse axle
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Yeah John's kind of like Harry in Harry Potter. If he wasn't there, sure, the war still would have been won, but it might have gone on longer if the Schism didn't happen so soon. John just helped expedite the process significantly.

gilded mason
versed helm
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Anyone has read point of light

main rivet
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Ultimately the point is that the actual reality of what gets declared a war crime is absolutely a function of who's doing the judging and whose side won, and the concept of an alien collective going about a genocidal campaign started basically to try and keep said alien collective intact doesn't have a real analog to an Earth war.

gilded mason
shut dew
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Not yet

versed helm
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What is that weird humanoid robot thing? Is it gUILTY sparK?

coarse axle
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I want to read it still, I might go pick it up today

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Yes it is

versed helm
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Ayy

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It doesnt make sense at all

coarse axle
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It's 343 and Chakas in a Soldier's body

versed helm
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Oh

gilded mason
versed helm
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But isnt chakas 343 the same person

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No

gilded mason
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That explains it

versed helm
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I stopped long time ago

gilded mason
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Since Point of Light is a sequel

versed helm
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im lost completely lost

coarse axle
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Renegades is the book you're looking for

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And that book is a continuation of Smoke and Shadow which is a light novel

versed helm
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I stopped reading at onyx specters xd

coarse axle
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Oh man I stopped reading shortly after I finished the Forerunner trilogy in like 2014/2015

gilded mason
versed helm
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And I actually didnt really expect they would be continuing the whole saga in the books

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But that could explain a lot of stuff

coarse axle
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Ghosts of Onyx came out like 13 years ago, you're missing so much

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I'm kind of happy I ended up missing out on a lot because now I have a ton of things to fill my time between now and Infinite

versed helm
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I am very outdated

coarse axle
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I get to finally fulfill my Buck x Dare story ❤️

versed helm
#

But so uhh chakas was always alive then?

gilded mason
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Yes

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Sorta

versed helm
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But hOw

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I know a little about him

gilded mason
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The laser wasn't able to fully destroy the inner core

versed helm
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He talked with the librarian didnt he long time ago

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When they captured the didact

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Or maybe im wrong

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Or maybe thats another character

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Chakas was an ancient human from the forerunner-human war

gilded mason
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Probably him. I don't know much about the Forerunner Saga

versed helm
#

oh

gilded mason
versed helm
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ohh

fair hazel
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You don’t? I thought you did

gilded mason
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I know the main stuff, but I never really read the books myself. Not all that interested in Forerunners.

agile plinth
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What is better the Halo Escalation Omnibus or Library Edition? Would I be missing anything by getting one or the other?

obsidian thistle
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Same thing

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Just one be hardback and the other paper

versed helm
#

What species was used to create the Promethean Crawlers?

unique rune
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None

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Only Knights were created from Composed essences

versed helm
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Oh

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What other races did the Forerunners wage war on besides Humanity, the San'Shyuum, the Precursors, and the Flood?

terse lava
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None are named, we only know they did. These foes were either exterminated, or suffered the same fate as humans

stable flower
#

I find it strange how Crawlers resemble dogs

viscid trout
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It's not that uncommon to think forerunners saw quadruped species that hunt in backs. They do make for good combat units, after all. Especially in packs.

static smelt
#

master chief gets infected

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100% true

warm seal
#

why did the covenant not aloow humanity into their faction

cobalt quiver
#

How much time passed between H2 and H3? Confused on the placement of the ODST legendary ending in the timeline

gilded mason
warm seal
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oh ok

wanton verge
#

Couldn't they just have said they were forerunners who sinned or something

gilded mason
cobalt quiver
#

I also realize that 9 days passed between missions Long Night of Solace and Exodus. Strange

slim thorn
#

I don't think its weird, though. Six have to advance cautiously when heading to the New Alexandria.

versed helm
#

Also, how does the European Union still exist in the Halo universe?

coarse axle
#

That's like asking why Countries still exist

pulsar grail
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space europe

versed helm
#

Is dreadnaught the name of the flying Eiffel Tower truth was on and chief fell down from

pulsar grail
#

yes

unique rune
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Dreadnought is just what the Covenant called the Anodyne Spirit.

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Not to be confused with the other Forerunner dreadnoughts like the Sojourner-class.

stable flower
versed helm
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Six was falling down for 9 days?!

limpid meadow
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No, he would have been falling for several minutes, maybe around half-an-hour. He then walked from 9 days from his crash site to New Alexandria.

limpid meadow
viscid salmon
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I take some degree of amusement in seeing Six hunt deer, squirrels, and guta with nothing but a knife and a fifty caliber handgun.

humble yacht
#

50 cal would be overkill for hunting

versed helm
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I prefer a civil war cannon

coarse axle
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but to be fair I don't know what they put in those moa burgers

humble yacht
#

Deradiated moa

versed helm
#

Vaporized Moa

dawn knot
#

Flavor blasted

loud kestrel
#

The halo universe is like the most entertaining I have come across

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I feel like in the game spartans should be able to rip the turrets off warthogs and other vehicles

dawn knot
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I imagine the only reason you can't is that for balancing

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Imaging portable gauss turrets

coarse axle
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Those were in Halo 5

loud kestrel
#

those would be deadly i guess

dawn knot
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Plus, it would leave the vehicle without weaponry

coarse axle
#

You could carry gauss canons around in Halo 5 iirc

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Also there's the MAC rifles in Halo 4 & 5 but i forget what they're called

loud kestrel
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maybe if the warthog had ammo refills on the side of it

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that may be a bit more realistic cause they should have those

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cause what if the marines run out of ammo you know?

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GASP... what if you could have two spartans work together to lift a turret off a scorpion and shoot that

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killionaire I got lots of these when I played infection on halo 5

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I would end like each game with maybe around 30-40+ kills as a spartan

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Why don't the unsc copy the building style of the covenant and study it to learn from them and find the most powerful in between of both techs?

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the unsc should also create mantis's but on a much smaller scale as infantry units rather than vehicles

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so as to reflect the armor and weapons of spartans

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
carmine sleet
carmine sleet
unique rune
#

the unsc should also create mantis's but on a much smaller scale as infantry units rather than vehicles
so as to reflect the armor and weapons of spartans

  1. Why would they do that when they've already got Spartans?
  2. Why would they do that when they've already got the Cyclops?
loud kestrel
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only spartans with genetic enhancements can use those im talking about different armor

carmine sleet
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Didn't need to tag me

loud kestrel
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armor marines can use

carmine sleet
#

There's a reason why power armour the UNSC has made cannot be used by marines

loud kestrel
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why is that

carmine sleet
#

Normal humans that tested Mjolnir were crippled by the armour when trying to use it

lone saddle
#

the armor is too sensitive i think but idk

loud kestrel
#

thats why I suggest creating a new armor for marines

lone saddle
#

wait

loud kestrel
#

like the power armor in fallout

lone saddle
#

it would be way too expensive tho

loud kestrel
#

why care for expense when humanity is on the line?

lone saddle
#

chief's armor alone probably cost as much as a whole longsword

loud kestrel
#

steal the parts negotiate whatever, they need the unsc more than money

carmine sleet
#

Mjolnir, at least during the Human-Covenant War, costs as much as a frigate

carmine sleet
lone saddle
versed helm
loud kestrel
#

maybe ya

lone saddle
loud kestrel
#

equip every unsc ship with a mac gun and beat the living crap outta the covenant

versed helm
loud kestrel
#

kick em outta our galaxy! lol

versed helm
#

Also that’s a weird name

lone saddle
lone saddle
versed helm
#

Interesting

loud kestrel
#

wait... THE master chief??

lone saddle
loud kestrel
#

is it really you!?

lone saddle
#

yep

versed helm
#

No. He is a person on an account named “the master chief”

loud kestrel
#

lol im honoured

lone saddle
loud kestrel
lone saddle
loud kestrel
#

lmao a bit harsh but ok

versed helm
#

No I have to ruin it

lone saddle
#

you couldn't make marine mjolnir armor suits in bulk

versed helm
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There is no other option

lone saddle
#

...we killed the covenant without marines in mjolnir

loud kestrel
#

true but unsc would gain an advantage

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they should make heavy duty suits of armor kind of like in the matrix

coarse axle
loud kestrel
#

whyyyy???

coarse axle
#

It's cringe

versed helm
#

Lol, that’s why I ruined it

lone saddle
loud kestrel
#

ikr

coarse axle
lone saddle
coarse axle
#

I'd hardly say "we" killed the Covenant as much as convenience did

lone saddle
#

i think the real mvp of the hcw was the gravemind

loud kestrel
#

the unsc barely stands a chance

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they just get lucky

lone saddle
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SO lucky

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seriously though would outfitting the marines in mjolnir-like armor outweigh the cost

loud kestrel
#

who gives a crap for cost human kind is on the brink of extinction

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donate all resources from humanity to the unsc and u just might live to see tomorrow

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They should have small scale suits that have tank like cannons and having only a dozen on the battlefield will take out dozens of the covenant

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although it may take a lot to carry the weight i guess

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plenty of work to perfect but im sure they could find a way to connect it to like a 10-12foot tall suit that slightly bulky, thats what i think would be the perfect suit of armor

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and connect the biggest guns u got to each one

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maybe suits like that with shoulder rockets and miniguns on the arms

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have like 2feet of solid steel shell all around where the soldier operates the machine and it just may become the most incredible weapon the unsc has ever had

versed helm
#

I just learned that grunts have a black market where the sell human media

dawn knot
#

Hopefully my mixtape is a #1 seller

limpid meadow
limpid meadow
loud kestrel
#

ill say it again... 12 foot mechanical suit, 2 inch steel shelling around pilot, shoulder rockets and arm attached miniguns, what do you guys think of it?

unique rune
#

Sounds like an exercise in poor decision making

limpid meadow
#

Any story can tell you in broadstrokes about it's cultures and species and politics, but the day-to-day stuff that you don't always think about is what really gets me invested!

limpid meadow
dawn knot
loud kestrel
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but smaller

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can fit inside buildings and ships

dawn knot
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12 feet?

loud kestrel
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less noise easier to hide

unique rune
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“How ‘bout y’all just climb into these giant metal coffins, I’m sure you’ll pull fire away from everyone else long enough for me to survive”

loud kestrel
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biggish but still small

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dude you got big miniguns and rockets, take out dozens before dying yourself

unique rune
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Plasma weaponry makes short work out of armor plating. You’d be dead within seconds.

loud kestrel
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its not for your survival, rather to have a good k:d ratio for infantry

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if you have 1 billion soldiers and 6 billion enemies each must kill 6 to win

unique rune
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Yeah except the Covenant probably had like 1500 troops for every human solider.

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Good luck evening those odds.

loud kestrel
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than aim big.

unique rune
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Not that a ground engagement would matter much, considering the Covenant consistently beat the UNSC into paste in orbit, conveniently freeing them up to raze everything with an energy projector or two.

loud kestrel
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find a way to destroy them in massive amounts

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if not work it with infantry do it with vehicles and weaponry

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if you could equip mac cannons to all the unsc ships and even to pelican in smaller sizes and take out super carriers, they may stand a chance

unique rune
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Well. About that.

humble yacht
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A Mac small enough to fit on a pelican wouldn’t affect a super carrier

gilded mason
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Just use magic, duh.

humble yacht
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Space magic

loud kestrel
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then you could take out smaller ships with a pelican mac

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any victories are still victories

unique rune
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Even if you stuck a MAC on every ship, the UNSC generally needed to significantly outnumber a Covenant fleet to even think of winning.

dawn knot
#

Can't you do that with pelican machine guns?

unique rune
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And they’d still take pretty heavy losses in spite of it.

loud kestrel
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yes but macs would be one hits

unique rune
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No, they really wouldn’t.

loud kestrel
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pelican should be focused on and mass produced, maybe focus 100 pelican fire on one point of a supercarrier and i think the combined power could overpower it

unique rune
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Maybe an ODP SMAC, but normal shipborne magnetic accelerators need 2-3 shots to kill most Covenant vessels of considerable size.

loud kestrel
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think a bit more positive its possible

dawn knot
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Even the significantly smaller hornet can take on a phantom

unique rune
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Also, why in the world are you trying to take on capital ships with a troop transport.

loud kestrel
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because the pelican could be better weaponized

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its not its purpose but it could be weaponized to better potentials

unique rune
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Even the significantly smaller hornet can take on a phantom
Yeah, and an F-16 could take down an AC-130.

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You’re comparing two different craft with wildly different roles

loud kestrel
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dude think outside the box, the unsc isnt winning with what they got, they need something new

unique rune
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Nothing new they tried would’ve saved them

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The Covenant had them significantly outgunned and outnumbered

loud kestrel
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and thats the kind of thinking that kills them

unique rune
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Without the Great Schism they would’ve been toast

fair hazel
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what am i reading?

unique rune
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You can sacrifice 15 frigates to take down a supercarrier, it won’t matter because the Covenant has 15 more supercarriers to replace it.

loud kestrel
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why did they never create grizzlies and hawks like in halo wars in the other games?

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those were seriously overpowered units

unique rune
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I mean. They existed canonically.

gilded mason
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They have been used outside of Halo Wars in canon

unique rune
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They just weren’t ever implemented in most other games for a variety of reasons.

slim thorn
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Halo: Spartan Assault uses Grizzly during conflict at Draetheus V

loud kestrel
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hawks and grizzlies should replace scorpions and hornets

unique rune
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They really shouldn’t

slim thorn
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Naw, hawks is too bulky.

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And Grizzly is also too big and slow

loud kestrel
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but bulky and hard to kill

unique rune
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A Scorpion does its job fine, the Grizzly is a logistical nightmare and complete overkill in most circumstances.

steep ether
loud kestrel
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??

slim thorn
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Grizzly has low evasion rate because of low mobility

steep ether
loud kestrel
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a scorpion isnt even one hit and its like one third as powerful as a grizzly

slim thorn
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Don't look from the gameplay, bruh.

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The armor plating itself was not designed to withstand plasma

loud kestrel
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the unsc should rethink then because plasma is the very definition of covenant weaponry

unique rune
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…You think they didn’t try?

slim thorn
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Even a UNSC Destroyer have their armor reduced from 2 meter to 60cm to resist 1 Plasma Torpedo.

unique rune
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When something burns as hot as Covenant plasma, it’s pretty hard to develop something to counter it.

gilded mason
loud kestrel
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u got a point

unique rune
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My gosh I didn’t think of that

slim thorn
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It makes me wondering if the Plasma weapon had an effect on Hard Light armor

loud kestrel
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so if ground units arent worth it why not focus all out into hornets/hawks

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the wraiths cant hit them up there

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while the wraith are getting gunned down

unique rune
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Because the Covenant have anti-air emplacements and aircraft of their own?

loud kestrel
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in large scale battles, numbers mean everything and if the unsc is the one getting attacked they already have the troops with them the covenant have to send reinforcements which will take time

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so if the covenant is prepared for a ground fight while the unsc has hornets they could turn the tide of that single battle

unique rune
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…Except maybe the Covenant starts off their invasion with more troops than the UNSC can hope to muster so the UNSC is left to wait for reinforcements.

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Y’know. Just a thought.

loud kestrel
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idk things can turn any direction

versed helm
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I also just found out that the player 3 and player 4 elites for halo 3 has lore

loud kestrel
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?

unique rune
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Usually that direction is south for the UNSC because of how ridiculously outnumbered they tended to be.

loud kestrel
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then run north as fast as u can lol

unique rune
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Covenant cruiser to the north, have fun getting glassed.

loud kestrel
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they'll find a way

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they should probably have like 100 people thinking options and ideas alone

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ideas, thoughts and opinions are everything

unique rune
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I feel like it’s worth considering that Reach pretty much fell in less than 2 hours in the TFOR novel.

Humanity’s greatest military stronghold, defended by a network of incredibly powerful SMACs and a pretty sizable space fleet.

Effectively declared a lost cause in 2 hours by combined Covenant fleets.

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There was no winning for humanity against the Covenant juggernaut. Only survival.

loud kestrel
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yes

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but think of how many covenant died in that fight versus how many unsc

dusty prawn
unique rune
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but think of how many covenant died in that fight versus how many unsc
Not enough to make a difference, I can tell you that much.

loud kestrel
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one fight... keep that up in every fight and it'll make a difference

unique rune
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How did fleet engagements usually end for the UNSC?
Going in with like 3:1 numbers, coming out with probably less than 1:1.

And that's on a good day.

loud kestrel
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consistency is everything

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keep up a good kd ratio for every fight in hundreds in total and it will be good

unique rune
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Yeah, and the Covenant consistently ground the UNSC to dust and proceeded to burn that dust to glass.

loud kestrel
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was sargeant johnson a spartan 1?

gilded mason
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Yes

loud kestrel
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i didn't know that until recently

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just wanted to confirm cause thats kind've mind blowing

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those spartans shouldve stayed instead of sargeant forge

gilded mason
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...Why?

loud kestrel
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sargeant forge had so much potential as a possible spartan 4

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he killed an arbiter

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without enhancements

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imagine what he could do with

gilded mason
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...

unique rune
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Hm, yes, sacrifice three guaranteed to be effective Spartan-IIs for a single Marine sergeant who might be useful in a project that doesn't even exist yet.

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I like the sound of those odds.

loud kestrel
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lol u know i dont mean all 3

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but 1 spartan forge is definetely better then 1 spartan 2

gilded mason
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I doubt that

loud kestrel
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he killed an arbiter without enhancements

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those spartans may not have with enhancements

unique rune
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Forge didn't even necessarily beat 'Moramee because he's an exemplary soldier, he beat him because 'Moramee was an arrogant prick.

gilded mason
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And like, he beat Ripa because the latter was an arrogant idiot who let himself get tricked.

loud kestrel
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but u cant say forge isnt a good soldier because he is definitely among the best non-enhanced soldiers

viscid salmon
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I dont think it's impossible that other Marines or troopers couldn't have killed an elite 1v1.

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It's a laudable achievement to be sure.

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Unusual sure.

unique rune
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but u cant say forge isnt a good soldier
I mean, no one was saying that.
The point is that 'Moramee would've killed him if he'd went "nah mate" and just stabbed him through the gut instead of stopping to gloat.

viscid salmon
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Hey warfare is just outmaneuvering your opponent.

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Hubris is a blunder.

loud kestrel
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again, you got a point

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although theres no doubt buck couldve done it if he hadnt stopped to gloat

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if im wrong correct me if not, bucks as amazing as i think he is

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any suggestions to where i can learn more about the lore in the halo universe?

viscid salmon
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Well Buck and company managed to take down a Brute unarmed.

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That was 3v1 though.

loud kestrel
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thats a big feat

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a brute

viscid salmon
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And Curious George was focused on Romeo.

loud kestrel
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a brute is exactly like the name, a brute, big a muscly with guns

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even a 3v1 seems really hard

viscid salmon
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A Brute almost killed a Spartan in First Strike with his bare hands.

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Forget who.

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Maybe Chief.

unique rune
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I think it was Chief.

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Came close to overpowering him at least.

viscid salmon
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An Elite is one thing. A Brute is a tougher customer.

loud kestrel
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do u guys know where i can learn more about the halo lore?

viscid salmon
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Halopedia

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Best source out of them all online.

loud kestrel
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ok, im unsure what im looking for the tbh

viscid salmon
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Short of Waypoint coming from 343 themselves.

loud kestrel
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do u guys play halo mcc?

viscid salmon
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Some of us perhaps. One or two

steep ether
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yea

steep ether
viscid salmon
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Stabbed for certain in the neck.

slim thorn
viscid trout
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Yeah. It was while the brute, a chieftain no less, was about to finish off romeo. Buck first jumped on his back and started to stab it repetedly. The others tackled it to keep it from throwing him off, till he dug it deep enough to kill ot, then it's corpse landed on top of him.

slim thorn
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Buck keep stabbing the Chieftain's neck, while Mickey can't risk a shot since it could harm Buck.

viscid trout
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Certainky wasn't a one and done deal though. Took a bit to finally take it down.

slim thorn
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Dutch could finish him off with the laser, but he turn his guard up when the chieftain swings the hammer to the NMPD

viscid trout
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Don't remember rif he had it in that scene or not, but if he did j don't think that was viable because it was way to close to be used properly...and also buck was on it as well.

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Plus. Spartan lasers have have a very noticable charge time.

slim thorn
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No, I mean when the Chieftain was just dropped off from the Phantom

viscid trout
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Again. Way to close and the charge time would have been to long. Those things take a while to charge fully.

loud kestrel
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seems like a deadly event

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especially heroic

versed helm
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Anyone want to see some concept art of the San'Shyuum Stoics?

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Sure

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Those folasteeds looked very cool

red elm
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Can someone DM the lore for each covenant class ships & how many is under command of Covenant Supercarrier?

unique rune
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You would probably get better results from just skimming through the Halopedia pages for each respective ship.

red elm
unique rune
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Supercarrier being... the CSO-class?

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I feel like the thing you need to be able to wrap your head around is that this kind of stuff is going to be fluid and flexible.

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You probably aren't going to get concrete and rigid X number of frigates and Y number of corvettes assigned to Z number of assault carriers all assigned under a particular supercarrier.

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Every Covenant fleet is going to be pretty variable depending on mission profile, plot demands, etc.

red elm
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@unique rune i meani tried looking up the fleet for supercarrier

unique rune
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...What fleet.

red elm
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whatever fleet supercarrier can command

unique rune
red elm
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@unique rune for example in halo 3 there is 3 brute supercarrier

red elm
gilded mason
unique rune
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for example in halo 3 there is 3 brute supercarrier
Well, for one, Truth didn't have any supercarriers in his fleet at the Ark. At least two CAS-class assault carriers were present alongside a number of CCS-class battlecruisers.

gilded mason
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Those are just normal carriers

red elm
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huh

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thought they were supercarrier

gilded mason
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Nope.

unique rune
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Covenant supercarriers just weren't a thing until Reach went and overinflated a CAS and called it a threat.

red elm
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so its assault carriers i should be asking and not super carrier

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correct?

gilded mason
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Well, it's still gonna be flexible and not uniform.

unique rune
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We don't even really have much official info on the fleet compositions that have been named.

red elm
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@gilded mason ok yeah, i was trying to figure out if theres a lore that says how many battlecruisers or other ships thats under a command of 1 assault carrier

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for example 1 super carrier (reach) commands 3 assault carriers, 10 corvets

gilded mason
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Yeah, nothing like that is around

red elm
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dang it

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@unique rune any idea how many supercarriers was in human-covenant war?

gilded mason
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We have no idea. Only three were written about

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And those were at the beginning and end of the war

red elm
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does halo 2 count or is Halo 2 used assualt carrier

gilded mason
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Halo 2 had a normal carrier

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Game-wise, only Reach had a supercarrier

hot ember
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anyone feel that supercarriers are impractical and unoriginal, i mean if it had a better or different design from the CAS it would have been cool

gilded mason
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i mean if it had a better or different design from the CAS it would have been cool
I wish

hot ember
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so how do yall get ur lore? i combine knowledge from books, the halo ultimate guide, and hiddenxperia

gilded mason
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Directly from the books

hot ember
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noice

unique rune
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Books when I have them in hand, Waypoint universe pages on occasion, Halopedia to recheck info.

hot ember
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hidden's pretty reliable, ulike halo follower who can get facts wrong, and he shares cool stories about lore aswell.

red elm
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does anyone know which youtuber talks about covenant fleets/ships?

gilded mason
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I guess Covenant Canon might be your best bet?

unique rune
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You could try Covenant Canon, yeah.

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But they'll probably be working with basically the same info as the rest of us.

gilded mason
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Yeah

red elm
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alright thanks

terse lava
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Yeah, Covenant Canon is just a more narrative varient of the information on halopedia. As for the original question, the Fleet of Valiente Prudence(from the Reach game) and the Combined Fleet of Righteous Purpose(from Ghosts of Onyx) are the only known covenant fleets that are led by a supercarrier.

runic creek
#

The more you know

terse lava
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Quite

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The Banished also apparently have at least a single supercarrier...it seems

gilded mason
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Though apparently that supercarrier is different from the one we're aware of

terse lava
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Eh still throwing it in as a technicality. Likely just one giant feasting hall in the hanger with a massive table

gilded mason
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lmao

terse lava
#

Sad part? Almost believable too

red elm
red elm
terse lava
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@red elm Prudenece had 1 CSO, 2 CCS cruisers, 1 ORS heavy cruiser, and six SDV corvettes. The combined fleet under Xytan simply had at least two hundred vessels, and were a mix. Also no, the carrier taken out in Halo Wars 2 was a CAS carrier

red elm
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ok thanks

royal sundial
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Why is installation 04 called Alpha Halo and Installation 05 called Delta Halo?

Wouldn't it make sense for Alpha Halo to be Installation 01 and Delta Halo to be Installation 04?

I just find it to be a weird naming system lol

gilded mason
terse lava
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"Alpha" is also used is it was the first one found by modern humans

craggy sierra
#

I wonder who slapped greek names on them.

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Was that UNSC? It couldn't have been if they're named for firing order

terse lava
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I assume one of two, either ONI named them(thus ended up knowing of Beta and Charlie halo somehow) or, cosmic coincidence that the forernner terms used were similar enough to ancient greek

royal sundial
#

Huh interesting

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Thanks for enlightening me

terse lava
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Welcome

wispy wasp
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wait, they weren't name because of the order they were found in?

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wait, that makes 0 sense

craggy sierra
#

Delta does not come after alpha

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If they were off of discovery order i05 would be beta Halo

humble yacht
#

the halos are named in firing order

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Alpha fires first, beta second, etc

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the installation number is the order in which the rings were added to the array

craggy sierra
#

I still wanna know who slapped the greek alphabet on them

humble yacht
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lol

craggy sierra
#

Like there's a lot of heavy implications there

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Was greek mythology the one true religion or something? Was Dionysis the Didact?

humble yacht
#

um

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what does mythology have to do with the greek alphabet

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you could just say that the forerunners invented the greek alphabet

unique rune
#

my assumption was just that humanity figured out the firing order postwar and assigned them Greek alphabet designations

humble yacht
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or it was the closest translation modern species could find

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yeah but Delta Halo was named before the end of the war

gilded mason
#

Maybe Cortana got the firing data from Alpha

unique rune
#

Was it?
Huh

humble yacht
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literally the level called Delta Halo

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obviously the names of the rings were decided before the firing order thing

craggy sierra
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Sorry chimera, didact was the god of wine and ecstacy. It's canon now.

humble yacht
#

don't spread false info 😉

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who even wrote the firing order thing? Greg Bear?

unique rune
humble yacht
#

can't remember

unique rune
#

And I can’t imagine there’s any monitors or screens in-game that call it by that name either

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Looking at the mission transcript on Halopedia at most it’s referred to as “another Halo”

gilded mason
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In Ghosts of Onyx, Halsey gets a message from Cortana saying to destroy "Delta Halo"

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So I'm thinking my hypothesis was correct

unique rune
#

Huh.
Yeah I can accept that

humble yacht
#

seems like bungie ignored Nylund again in that regard

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because at the ark, when truth forces Johnson to start the sequence, the ring holograms light up in order of Installation, not firing order

unique rune
#

Bungie and ignoring the novels when convenient
name a more iconic duo

humble yacht
#

Jason Todd and a crowbar

viscid salmon
#

That one is hard to beat.

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...or is it?

steep ether
#

arby 'n cheif chiefsmirkle

dawn knot
ripe crow
#

Finished Contact harvest, too bad I can’t afford the graphic novels because I know I’m missing some of the timeline now

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So I’m using this chart

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Starting Silent storm now, I’m hoping to be caught up by the time halo infinite is out!

fair hazel
#

Oh wow that’s quite interesting

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Didn’t know they existed

hollow sinew
#

Has someone a Description of the Events on High Charity During the Flood Infection? Im interested with what happended with the marines and so

slim thorn
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The Marines POW are most likely killed when escorting Chief to rescue Miranda and Johnson.

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But one interesting story could be a lone marine that makes his last stand.

wispy wasp
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It's not like the greek letters were a close proximation to what the forerunners used like how one of the forerunner terminals in 3 mentions the maginot line for the jat-krula

hollow sinew
#

Okay, thanks

sly stream
limpid meadow
#

Bungie really liked to do that, reference the books while ignoring them at the same time.

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Halo: Reach is full of references to the events of The Fall of Reach and First Strike while also retconning the events of the battle of Reach.

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It's both confusing and slightly infuriating.

carmine sleet
#

Aye, for sure. I don't envy the people who reconciled the discrepancies to help the two fit together more cohesively

wispy wasp
#

What was the covenants general opinion on the chief? Like i know grunts were terrified of him, but what about the other species?

tepid barn
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idk

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i think they where

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cause

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of his nickname

wispy wasp
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Well that was because he destroyed the halo ring

tepid barn
#

Oh

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For Elites they wanted him dead i dont think they where scareds

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scared*

carmine sleet
#

Chief was specifically called "The Demon" but they referred to all Spartans as "Demon" even before the destruction of 04

tepid barn
#

:0 o ok

versed helm
#

I heard brutes are really stinky during their teen years. Way too stinky to where human literally gets sick

wispy wasp
#

so they're weaboos, gotcha

loud kestrel
humble yacht
#

That wasn’t really his fault

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Remember, he was still a kid at the time, and he didn’t know how to control his abilities. ONI sent those ODSTs to fight him knowing they’d get fudged up

carmine sleet
slim thorn
loud kestrel
#

well... they should be scared

loud kestrel
slim thorn
#

For Sangheili, it's a glory to kill a Spartan.

loud kestrel
#

it must be, spartans are deadly, they can take out dozens before dying themselves

terse lava
#

The Covenant viewed Spartans as unholy creatures, and at least in Thel's opinion, were undead beings.

wispy wasp
#

Do we know what the prophets thought of the chief?

versed helm
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Demon

gilded mason
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Because they were made to also support life on them, life which includes humans.

craggy sierra
#

On the other hand, he does have a point. Balaho supports life and that has fire tornados. Seems kinda vanilla.

gilded mason
#

Vanilla is probably the idea

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Less likely for something to kill everyone

slim thorn
#

Isn't Balaho is like a fragile planet? It houses bunch of meth, isn't it?

versed helm
#

Are grunt mating chambers a thing? Quick question