#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 480

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:23 PM

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no one has made a bootleg spartan yet

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:23 PM

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The short story at the beginning of Fractures did say that a Spartan killing a Spartan was "unthinkable"

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Reminds me of something I read in Horus Rising.

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The lore is going to be quote interesting going forward.

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And you're right of course, nobody has made a knockoff, but Halo has a habit of throwing curveballs in the lore every now and then.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:26 PM

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rather than some bootleg spartans, they should bring back isla zane in some bootleg mjolnir

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that would be a terrifying force

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Oh yeah her. She just dropped off the face of the earth.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:26 PM

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not earth

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some other planet

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Or someone manages to make rumble drugs stable.

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Well yeah, just a turn of phrase not literally.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:27 PM

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i wouldn't be surprised if she survived the Guardian coming out

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the description of Bucaneer MJOLNIR talks about off the shelf or third-party parts, makes it sound kinda like someone made it in their basement.

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that would be a good suit for her

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:30 PM

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She does seem like a blunt instrument.

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You may be right. It's also the only pirate suit we are aware of.

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So there may even be more out there.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:30 PM

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no, she's pretty capable

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she's crazy, sure, but high functioning

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:31 PM

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Assuming Zane is the only other one to get to the other side.

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She would be an exceptional person to rally behind.

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Being an honest to goodness supersoldier.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:32 PM

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get to the otherside? what does that mean

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she's not the only defected spartan

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:33 PM

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By other side I just mean rebels against the UNSC in general.

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:33 PM

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there's mickey too

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Oh hell you're right.

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I didnt read bad blood

humble yacht May 28, 2021, 9:33 PM

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the difference is, Zane is a proto-Spartan IV

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unarmored Zane is as strong as an armored Palmer

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which is why, if she had her own armor, she'd be like a super-spartan

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Seems 5 Spartans defected.

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That we know of

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Schein and Scruggs are dead.

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Soren so far as I know just vanished into the woods? He's not exactly in peak physical condition to begin with. I'll look into him.

last anchor May 28, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Presumably he either died in the woods from being malformed, or if he survived all the way to the Covenant glassing, died then.

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Huh. Says he may appear in the TV show.

gilded mason May 28, 2021, 9:51 PM

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last anchor Presumably he either died in the woods from being malformed, or if he survived a...

Or was able to be rescued at some point

last anchor May 28, 2021, 9:52 PM

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The TV shows canonisity is still in...cloud right now.

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So we shall see on that.

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Yeah was about to say.

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Halopedia says he became a privateer.

unique rune May 28, 2021, 9:54 PM

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They should really push back the TV show's release date another year so it can air its first episode on the 10th anniversary of its announcement. /s

viscid salmon May 28, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Soren may have to get artificial limbs.

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Oh boy then he could really be a pirate then huh.

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Having an AI named Captain Teach in that longsword feels like foreshadowing now.

last anchor May 28, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Seems so.

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I wonder just how twisted they're going to make him. Presumably not as nasty as they could (IE; the twisted humpback dude from the story of 300)

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Why do mjolnir armours have lights?

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Cause sometimes theres no visible light to work night vision by and you need to illuminate something.

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Helps to coordinate with other units too. You can flash them for communications

unique rune May 28, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Are we talking flashlights, or the 'lights' placed all over the armor?

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Because the latter are energy shield distributors.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:03 PM

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unique rune Because the latter are energy shield distributors.

makes sense

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i was wondering why do the best soldiers of humanity are not fit for stealth

unique rune May 28, 2021, 10:04 PM

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It's still absolutely bonkers to me that Halo 5's Mk.V Alpha armor has all of the detail for the original CE Mk.V's shield distributors and yet it makes up completely new placement for the distributors using entirely different details.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i wonder if the mark 5 the chief was wearing works the same as the mark 5 (B)

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Except for the armour abilities of course

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Armor abilities are crossplatform capable.

unique rune May 28, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Chief's Mk.V works mostly similar to Mk.V[B]. Main difference was that it's designed for AI integration.

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:07 PM

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The undersuit is the same Im pretty sure

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:08 PM

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last anchor The undersuit is the same Im pretty sure

you mean the tech suit?

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Yes.

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Though the tech suit is more a Gen 2 deal, Gen 1 had a less modular system.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:09 PM

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i thought all the tech suits were the same

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:11 PM

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No, theres major differences between them. Each does about the same job but each generations techsuit has different features.

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Hence the different designs as well.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:12 PM

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last anchor No, theres major differences between them. Each does about the same job but each...

like what?

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:14 PM

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The GEN 1 suit was designed for simplicity and ruggedness, with few frills and extra features. It had a gel layer and the piezoelectric system but that was about it.

Gen 2 was designed for full modularity, and had arming points for multiple sets of armor (a system first tested on the MK V (B), hence why in Reach only the add on plates change, the undersuit is identical, where in H3 sometimes the suit will change too)

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Not sure about GEN 3 but its probably got more fancy tech

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:15 PM

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i bet the tech suit the chief is wearing smells bad

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since the armors recycle urine of their spartans

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Actually they have climate control systems. Once the suits on properly, it feels like your not wearing anything at all.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:19 PM

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oh my

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Presumably Spartans dont sweat that much either.

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Since they're training basically makes them calm in literally any situation.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:20 PM

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but they still need to poopo and you know

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Reactor incinerates it I believe.

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Also with the IVs at least their digestive system microbiom and material has been modified

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Presumably they dont have to excrete solid waste anywhere near as much as a normal human does.

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Since the IIs do basically everything better I assume its the same with them.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:22 PM

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so their poopo is smol?

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i knew spartans are not able to get drunk

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Presumably

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I dont tend to spend my time thinking on minor issue stuff like that, I've got more important things to worry about.
Like calculating how far someone would get spread if they took a direct hit from an M99 Stanchion

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Actually hang on, attache works better right?
Second in command, guys like that.

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Considering Ander and his attache's were basically turned into red mist by Avery Johnson's, Im not having the best time.

ashen rivet May 28, 2021, 10:27 PM

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last anchor I dont tend to spend my time thinking on minor issue stuff like that, I've got m...

The anti materiel rifle?

last anchor May 28, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Yes

rancid jolt May 28, 2021, 11:05 PM

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When the warden dies is that a mini black hole that forms? he looks very strange for something forerunner his not an AI is he?

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Is there a number on how many AI joined Cortana? that scene I'm rewatching the game movie it sounds like a lot of AI joined her.

royal sundial May 28, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Why didn't Rolan join Cortana?

slim thorn May 28, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I think you're mistaken, most Spartan-IV are using GEN2 instead of GEN3. GEN3 probably now limited to a certain Spartans such as Blue Team due to resources.

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GEN3 are put to services like after Cortana triggers a conflict.

dawn knot May 28, 2021, 11:39 PM

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royal sundial Why didn't Rolan join Cortana?

It's the AI's choice

unique rune May 28, 2021, 11:49 PM

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most Spartan-IV are using GEN2 instead of GEN3.
And where are you getting that from?

versed helm May 28, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I'm glad Roland didn't

unique rune May 28, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Like, we know that Palmer's already been issued GEN3 by late '59.

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I'm not seeing much in the way of anything saying which direction armor distribution is going, but by '61 I can't imagine they haven't generally begun to switch to GEN3 for the sake of improved AI countermeasures.

slim thorn May 29, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Yeah, I know that, but considering Infinity have to get there or to jump to a specific location to get the GEN3 armor, they can't just get all of it at once. Resource is the first thing, and second is they have to make the armor without interference from Created.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 12:04 AM

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I seriously doubt GEN3 can only be manufactured at that one specific space station.

royal sundial May 29, 2021, 12:07 AM

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dawn knot It's the AI's choice

I know, I'm just curious to his reasoning

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 12:09 AM

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he probably liked the people he worked with

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:10 AM

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versed helm I'm glad Roland didn't

Oh its blood i remember doing customs with you once

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Bro what?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 12:10 AM

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also, at the time of the created uprising, i don't think Roland was near the point of rampancy

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Yeah I remember now

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How long has Roland been in service?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 12:11 AM

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he was born just before the Infinity left to go find halo rings

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wait no

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that's wrong

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he was born after

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2557

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Most chad ai

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 12:12 AM

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so in infinite he should be ~3 years old, not even halfway through his life

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so fear of death probably won't influence his decisions, unlike with Governor Sloan

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Get off my planet
-sloan, probably

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 12:14 AM

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interestingly, Black Box would have been ~6 years old around the time of the Created uprising

dawn knot May 29, 2021, 12:15 AM

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I hate Babies
-Sloan, maybe.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Anti sloan propaganda

dawn knot May 29, 2021, 12:20 AM

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All propaganda against me is true.
-sloan, definitely

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:21 AM

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I am a man of my word, and I am a burned dictionary

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-sloan

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 12:37 AM

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"Hippy hoppity, UNSC off my property"
-Sloan

versed helm May 29, 2021, 12:38 AM

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I like to imagine these things in his voice

fair hazel May 29, 2021, 12:39 AM

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We saw the station in the infinite trailer

versed helm May 29, 2021, 2:14 AM

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I still wonder, how did humanity obtain space-faring status as early as 1,100,000 B.C?

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Was it the Precursors?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 2:39 AM

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I think its possible they achieved it the old fashioned way.

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Apparently Humans have been around for at the very least ten million years.

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I think given the dates between the possible genesis and when they achieved spaceflight, I'm going to guess it was achieved naturally.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Ancient humanity is not related to the history we know in the real world

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Just consider them a whole separate alien race

pale zenith May 29, 2021, 4:58 AM

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what's the canon status of Locke?

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 4:59 AM

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Probably just got beaten in a fight and the helmet taken as a trophy, while he is able to escape.

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Helmet and chest armor, rather

pale zenith May 29, 2021, 5:00 AM

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Welp

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 5:02 AM

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We might get something similar

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Hunter could be reenvisioned. Never day never.

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Now Seeker. Yeah back to the drawing board man.

waxen anchor May 29, 2021, 5:32 AM

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He tried to 1v1 Escharum in a fist fight

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didnt go well

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he never learns

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(this isn't actual lore)

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What is the reason Roland didnt defect?

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Same reason why many people wouldn't defect to an evil faction that offers temptations

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:43 AM

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I want to think that he reflected on his guess on what was wrong with Cortana

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The "refused to die" thing.

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Since she turned out to be going on a Queen of the Galaxy arc.

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And he thought, well maybe I was wrong.

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 5:44 AM

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"Wow, I was being so hasty saying that."

viscid trout May 29, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Also when said faction basically says, resist us and you'll be "remade". You can't help but feel that that's really ominous!

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:45 AM

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And a Smart AI has more than enough processing power to think that something doesn't sit quite right.

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At least ones that aren't close to retirement age.

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In the end, Jerrod will inherit the earth.

viscid trout May 29, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Especially when she works with someone like warden eternal. And if some theories are to be believed, the didact. Cause I do get some didact vibes from her speach.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Our boy sure is awfully digitized right now isn't he?

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Bumping around a Domain that is now really on the mend.

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Though Librarian also said that he isn't a threat at the moment.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:47 AM

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On his own maybe.

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Maybe he just needs a partner.

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Or heck, maybe he managed to find time to reflect now.

viscid trout May 29, 2021, 5:48 AM

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To be fair, Cortina was also in the domain for a while. Who knows what she went through when she was in there.

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I mean. Warden certainly shares his views on humans.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:48 AM

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"The knowledge. So much so fast... it's glorious!"

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That was just a hula hoop

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Now she has access to the Internet

viscid trout May 29, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Imagine that for like months. And also the fact that what ever happened during reconstruction in the domain might also have been a factor.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Remember how Ultron spent ten second on the web and decided Humanity must die?

viscid trout May 29, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Yep

unique rune May 29, 2021, 5:55 AM

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relatable

last anchor May 29, 2021, 2:22 PM

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humble yacht 2557

He was activated to replace the Infinity's original AI, that, originally, we believed to have been destroyed in the crash on Requiem.
The LootCrate data later proved that Cortana kinda...stabbed her. Basically.

last anchor May 29, 2021, 2:22 PM

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viscid salmon Now she has access to the Internet

Least she didnt decide to try and kill everyone like Ultron

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 2:29 PM

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How does an AI get destroyed in a crash as light as that?

carmine sleet May 29, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Clearly it wouldn't

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Are we still doing cole protocol despite the fact everyone kinda just knows where we are now?

last anchor May 29, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Cole Protocol ceased to be an effective order following October 22, 2552, when the Prophet of Regret made landfall on Earth.

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And as state; the UNSC believed that Infinity's original AI was destroyed in the crash (which, if you play through the mission Infinity in 4, you can see it wasnt as light as it seemed; theres debris scattered across hundreds of kilometers and Infinity is literally wedged into the ground, with the Scorpion section being a fight through the blast canyons the ship made on impact, Im fairly certain).

The Loot Crate data drops revealed that, because she wouldnt listen to Cortana, Cortana basically deleted her.

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Theoretically if she HAD been destroyed in the crash it could have been from the destruction of her core mainframe or the matrix shes held in. See; the trailers for Halo 4 that literally feature Mammoths coming loose in Infinity's hanger bay as shes pulled in)

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 3:57 PM

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AI in Halo can normally fit on flash drives and can run off a suit of armour...Having trouble believing her mainframe would be more than a box in the corner of the command deck.

young silo May 29, 2021, 4:41 PM

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What importance does the Halo theme song has to the lore of Halo

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 4:52 PM

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None really

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I think Queen has more relevance to the lore than the actual music written for the games does.

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One of the characters is (supposedly) a fan of them at least.

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That was queen right?

carmine sleet May 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Kelly was listening to them throughout Shadows of Reach

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Though they weren't specifically named, they make reference to some of their songs

unique rune May 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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If Halo 2’s campaign is anything to go off of, the chanting part of the Halo theme is in some way part of Covenant chants. At least the one that Regret sings.

Otherwise it’s pretty much a nonentity as far as canon is concerned.

young silo May 29, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Ah it's just an easter egg in the Halo verse. I thought it would be a lot more important for some reason.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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I have a question what is the Mark 5 B? is it like a protoype version of the CE armor?

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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How is the weather in reach like

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:02 PM

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pretty much like earth at the end everything looked like hell

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Looks cold.

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Reach is a baby planet. It still has a long way to go to be stable.

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Somehow it doesn't have much geological activity, which is baffling for a planet less than a billion years old.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:08 PM

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How that planet a baby when its far bigger than Earth???

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:08 PM

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800 million years old

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Im guessing in Halo Earth is older?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Our little speck is 4.6 billion years old.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Ok

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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The younger a planet is, the more likely it has more earthquakes, has volatile environments, stuff like that.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Your smart

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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The fact that Reach had native life at this point is incredible.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Smart planet man

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Reach had all those earthquakes?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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No that's the funny thing, it didn't.

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Earth wasn't stable for many many years. Even now it's not stable (I.e. earthquakes)

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Its Halo they probably didnt make scientifically accurate for gameplay.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:12 PM

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It's not impossible astronomically speaking.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Imagine tbagging an Elite and suddenly see a volcano erupt under you.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Epsilon Eridani is just a very young star in real life. It still has a dust ring around it.

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Which I think is sort of portrayed in Reach's boot video.

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Part of me just says "Forerunners did it".

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Which I think given their weekend hobbies isn't so far a stretch.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Well they landed there in the Reach Ice mission

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Or was it just a underground forerunner base? not sure really.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Planets and worlds don't have to be accurate but I appreciate it when work is put into a planet like that.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Omg Epsilon Eridani is real

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Sure.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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I’m an idiot

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Just a bit diagonally down from Orion.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Thought it was a fictional-

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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No. No, it's a totally real star.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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What about the Mark 5 B? is the Halo CE the completed version?

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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That’s why I’m saying I’m an idiot

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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MkV B just strikes me as a submodel.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Mk.V[B] is just an earlier production model of the Mk.V platform

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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You're not an idiot. Lots of people don't know about stars or Star names.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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It was weird I remember starting Halo 1 with no shields as I thought any other mark before it didnt have it

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Reach gave me the impression we would not have shields

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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A good number of early Halo systems are real stars.

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Epsilon Indi (Harvest system), Epsilon Eridani, Groombridge 34 (where Kurt went missing), Procyon (Arcadia system)

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Did we go to any of those in the games?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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steel stone Reach gave me the impression we would not have shields

Ah if it were the Fall of Reach book, you would be right."

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Arcadia is in Halo Wars

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Isnt the fall and reach games in the same place?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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The book and the game have canon conflicts.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Yeah I saw many wear the CE armor which didnt have shields

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Book says energy shields are new at the point of the invasion and Elites were first encountered at Reach.

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Fall of Reach was the first Halo book.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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And they are Spartan 2s which are suppose to be the best and didnt even get shields

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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So inconsistencies would exist.

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They're even baffled by artificial gravity in 2525

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Halo ships used to be portrayed as having rotating sections on them.

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It was actually quite hard scifi

unique rune May 29, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Yeah I saw many wear the CE armor which didnt have shields
The final production model Mk.V as seen in CE is supposed to have shields.

Mk.IV and before did not.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I miss the rotating part. Reminds me of Babylon 5.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Some say the falcon mission is different to the comics as well? think it was a large base in the comics

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Falcons weren't even in the original book.

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I can't speak on the reprint.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Falcons never existed in the comic? well they are the most useless thing in that game XD

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Oh the comic.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Why were there no Hornets on Reach? was the Falcom the prototype Hornet?

versed helm May 29, 2021, 7:26 PM

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So how many galaxies could've fallen to the Flood?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:27 PM

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as many as the writers need

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Looking at Halo 3 if it spread throughout the Ark they would of spread everywhere

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:27 PM

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huh?

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no flood made it off the ark

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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How big was the Ark anyway? its bigger than Earth right?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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yes

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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120,000 kilometers

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Around.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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And Earth size is?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Earth is 13,000 kilometers roughly.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Thats big

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Diameter

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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would've been a great question for google postums

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I'm on hand, why waste time.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:29 PM

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i dunno, i just feel like looking up something for someone else is pointless

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Just saying if the flood stayed on the Ark, they would want to spread all over it.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:29 PM

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it's one thing if you know the knowledge on hand, tho, and can just answer

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:29 PM

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I play so much Elite and Space Engine Earth standards are burned into me.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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the flood did stay on the ark

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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They would stay there???

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Halo Wars 2 yo

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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^

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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High Charity never went boom.

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And some very disobedient monkes went inside.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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it went boom but that wasn't enough to get rid of it

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Really? It did detonate?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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chief overloaded the core

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I am disappointed to say the least.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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there was some sort of explosion

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I know I'm just asking does the flood have the ability to leave the Ark?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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no

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I guess. I just assumed it would do just a whole lot more damage.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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they need a ship, for one thing

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Flood needs a way out.

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Needs someone who knows how to drive said ship.

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Eat him.

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Somehow make it across intergalactic space if they can't get a portal.

fair hazel May 29, 2021, 7:32 PM

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High charity is big and he only detonated something relatively small

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Wasn't there enough things around that the Gravemind ate up to get their intelligence?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:33 PM

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there is no gravemind in HW2

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Intelligence don't mean much if you have to take the long way home.

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If there was no portal, the Flood would only get back at sublight speeds. I dont even know if Slipspace would even work that far out.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:33 PM

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it does

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that's how the banished got there

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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No portal? Wow.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Sounds to me like the flood got screwed and now they are now stuck XD

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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yes

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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That's a long drive. But... Covenant ships have always been faster.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I always thought they could easily escape the Ark and do more damage

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:35 PM

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If they're feral that isn't happening.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:35 PM

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the ark has sentinels, too

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Thats what fascinates me becuase I think they more smarter

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Only relative to biomass consumed.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:36 PM

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feral stage flood are driven by instinct alone

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:36 PM

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They left Truths body behind, using his mind they could learn so much.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:36 PM

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steel stone I always thought they could easily escape the Ark and do more damage

Yeah no the flood on the ark are basically wild animals.

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You need more than one mind to make a gravemind

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Another one was Regret he was just left there too

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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might be useful to read the halopedia entry on the flood

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regret isn't on the ark

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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And the whole city that was infected in High charity.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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well, he was absorbed long before so

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Also there is only one gravemind

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Thats also true

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Where was he in Halo 3?

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:38 PM

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If a new gravemind forms it assumes the consciousness of the prior one so new graveminds are not new characters

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:38 PM

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steel stone They left Truths body behind, using his mind they could learn so much.

Maybe in terms of politics and procedure

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:38 PM

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I remember that being explained

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:38 PM

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Truth wasn't... book smart.

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At least as far as I know.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:38 PM

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h2 truth was

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Besides, eating Truth wouldn't tell them much about starship operation.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Bungie kinda hit truth with the idiot stick in between games. Same for Miranda

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Doesn't the 3 Prophets know about the Covenants history and all their secrets?

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That is why I think the Flood could use them to be more smarter

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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what good is that info to the flood

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the flood already knows more

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Also they're still not useful without a gravemind

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Maybe if the Flood wanted to go into politics and religious sermons.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Which they don't have

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Especially about the Great Journey

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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the prophets didn't know the truth about the forerunners or about ancient humanity

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the prophets didn't even know the truth about the halos

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Truth knew nothing useful on how to get back home. Not personally.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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the great journey was fake

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:40 PM

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A gravemind isn't formed by absorbing IQ points. It forms when there's enough biomass given to sustain itself.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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that info would be useless to the flood

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Truth was sorta going crazy in Halo 3

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He was a bit infected

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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The Flood would need to eat at least a Shipmaster.

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And then an engineer.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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truth only got infected towards the end of the game

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the flood can't eat huragok

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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And then find an intact ship.

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I mean not a huragok

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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viscid salmon And then an engineer.

And an entire city to form a gravemind

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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I mean an actual ship engineer. Like a dude.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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shipmasters aren't pilots, as far as i know

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Wasn't their many shipmasters in High Charity with it being their base?

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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It does not matter who the flood absorb until that biomass requirement is met.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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I know I know, that's why I mean they would need to infect command staff and maintenance crew.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Also we saw the flood pilot a ship to earth in H3. We clearly know they can

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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high charity was busted after crashing. it couldn't go anywhere

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:42 PM

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That's a surprisingly large checklist

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And their bodies need to be in good enough shape.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Flood on Earth that made me lose my mind

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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And like chimera says, it hinges on a ship that can even take off.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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it was handled

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earth is clean now

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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It was cleaned before we even really went to the ark

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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The Flood actually needs a lot going for it for the plan to work.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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I know just imagine how bad things could of got if it could not been handled

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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no thanks

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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It was handled.

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We didn't need the Sahara anyway.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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there's no middle ground with the flood

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either you get rid of them or lost the planet

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Earth BECOMES A GIANT MEATBALL

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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No jokes, yes.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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sounds like bad fanfiction

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Giant meatball

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Im told multiverse is a thing in Halo that must of happen

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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The spiciest of sentient meatballs.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Earth BECOMES A GIANT MEATBALL
Isn't that a whole thing in Dead Space 3

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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That's a can of worms.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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steel stone Im told multiverse is a thing in Halo that must of happen

no and no

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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steel stone Im told multiverse is a thing in Halo that must of happen

not really

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Awww man I wanna see that in Halo

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Forerunners do harvest universes for energy.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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A flood planet

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Baby universes.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:45 PM

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You wanna see the franchise bend over its own canon and ruin all sensability?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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viscid salmon Forerunners do harvest universes for energy.

there's a difference between pocket universes and multiverse theory

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Perhaps, but it's a theory that's gaining more traction in reality.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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the forerunners basically made big bangs in a bottle to power their ships and stuff

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Meatball Earth confirmed! but seriously it would be interesting to see some alternate scenarios play out.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Not really

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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If we accept the 100 billion years comment at the end of Silentium at face value...

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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What if Noble 6 was the star instead of Chief?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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watch the upcoming halo tv show, then

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should be alternative enough for you

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Jus small things that would be cool to explore

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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steel stone What if Noble 6 was the star instead of Chief?

Then the main character would have even less personality

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Yeah 6 is a bland piece of wood

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Not going to lie, I took a poke away from that.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:48 PM

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poke away from that???

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Besides, at the end of the day, the existence of a multiverse or not isn't my call.

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It's the story writers.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Halo's universe is far too grounded for that

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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As far as I know, canonically, no. Pocket universes are the extent.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I agree maybe in some non canon book or something.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Besides I'm still waiting for them to actually do more with the post-war politics instead of just generating a new apocalypse every week

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I think Halo's ground has worn away significantly over the years.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I dunno

ashen rivet May 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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steel stone Yeah 6 is a bland piece of wood

Now he is a piece of cristal

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:50 PM

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XD

ashen rivet May 29, 2021, 7:50 PM

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except for his helmet

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Makes sense since he got turned to glass.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:50 PM

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"That's the joke."
-Rainer Wolfcastle

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I think Halo lost its grounded feel when they added unicorn helemts.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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That was the last straw for you?

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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And Elites having their eye in their mouth

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Excuse me?

ashen rivet May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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that helmet doesn’t have any tactical advantage

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Adding a funky cosmetic into multiplayer does not mean the narrative of the universe gets to stop caring

limpid meadow May 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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steel stone I think Halo lost its grounded feel when they added unicorn helemts.

The Samurai armor felt grounded to you?

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:52 PM

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And having a helmet that has a headshot marker

ashen rivet May 29, 2021, 7:52 PM

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that armour is supposed to intimidate the enemy

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:52 PM

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I could honestly list many...honestly.

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Halo has had many styles Im just not sure anymore what its trying to be.

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:52 PM

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The Slipspace Crystal in First Strike honestly shook up the hard scale of things.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Well stop thinking multiplayer cosmetics have that much bearing over the universe first of all

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Halo certainly plays by its own rules a vast majority of the time being I certainly think it's not as hard as it used to be.

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Like, the Iroquois going backwards during the battle of SOIV was a really nice touch.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Reach for me felt more grounded but thats just me

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:54 PM

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It's so small. Just a little detail.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Reach was grounded but also boring in a lot of its visual design to me

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 7:54 PM

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The understanding that space is a three dimensional place and you can use it to your advantage.

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Reality is mundane sadly.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:55 PM

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I think its cool, takes alot to understand but a good learning experience

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Yes and for some reason reach was a total back pedal on all the most interesting elements Bungie's games had to offer.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I can agree, that game is so grey and dark

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The reason I say its more grounded is because the Spartans wear armour that looks tactical. What parts of Reach did you feel felt off Waffle?

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 7:57 PM

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oh boy

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he opened the floodgates

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Reach doesn't offer much unique as a setting beyond some funky looking mountains in the background. The broader universe intrigue of Halo 2 that Halo 3 for some reason already tried to go back on has been well and truly stamped out for a cast that just frames the aliens as the generic objective evil again without any intrigue on their behalf. And the squad dynamics for the main cast itself pails to what ODST had to offer.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Oh crap thats alot

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Woah

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I can agree the alien threat felt dry this time

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And the planet itself was very bland honestly.

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Had some great later on missions like the city and the falcon one.

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Any other didnt look interesting or great to me, Halo 3 I think did all that better

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I do like how they did the Spartans though, they felt very realistic in a way

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Reach is competently designed as far as shooter campaigns go, I can't knock it on those merits. Everything else though I will.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:02 PM

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I like the look of Reach's MJOLNIR armor well enough but it's nowhere near enough to save just how bleh the campaign makes me feel

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:02 PM

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It tried making you feel helpless in a losing war

versed helm May 29, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Is it possible that Cascade has been taken over by the Created?

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:02 PM

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But made me feel like I was the only one fighting

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:02 PM

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what's cascade

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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It tried making you feel helpless in a losing war
Yeah, see, outside of the end of Long Night of Solace, it just makes me feel a whole lot of nothing.

versed helm May 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Cascade

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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i felt something for most noble deaths

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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If the gameplay had the same impact as the cutscenes it would be nuts

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No wait

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I still think that game would've benefited massively from a re-shuffling of the death order

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Yeah thats what I meant, thought I worded it wrong

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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i liked the gameplay for the most part

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Actually, I take that back. I thought Exodus was an alright enough mission. Don't like playing it but I like the concept and setting well enough.

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:05 PM

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The ODST city missions I can say felt better

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Exodus I alright but I just dont care

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Did play the last part of that mission? where you need to press the button and you need to save civilians?

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Theres no tension of feeling because there is no time limit, gameplay is good but just meh

young silo May 29, 2021, 8:08 PM

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ODST city missions are the bomb

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Guys we need to do something, im gonna get banished to the Phantom zone.

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Just clocked this is the lore channel we need to talk about lore XDDD

young silo May 29, 2021, 8:11 PM

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ODST happen after Reach end of discussion and during/after Halo 2

steel stone May 29, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Halos timeline I think is easier to understand I could do the games but not the books yet.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:16 PM

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"Oh," Chapov said. "The Master Chief and I aren't exactly-"
"Sure we are." John lightly slapped Chapov on the shoulder, then hopped into the back of the Warthog. "Go with it, Lieutenant."```
Bit surprised I'd forgotten about this exchange in *Shadows of Reach* until I was checking through for some info in it. Feels like something I should've remembered given how much I like reading it now.

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I should probably get started on my re-read of The Fall of Reach

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:17 PM

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I liked the stuff between John and Chapov quite a bit

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Was that a joke?

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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viscid salmon Was that a joke?

What John said?

rancid jolt May 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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The feel of halo games is so unique I keep forgetting the fall under the FPS category. It feels much more then just an fps game like CoD.

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Didn’t chapov die

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Yeah

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Yeah. 😔

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Rip

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I quite liked him

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Iirc it was a heroic death

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Who was the ex-stunt driver?

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Bella Something

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Bella Disztl

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Wasnt chapov like starstruck to meet her?

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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A bit, yeah

rancid jolt May 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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And.. Who's Chapov? He sounds familiar.

gilded mason May 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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rancid jolt And.. Who's Chapov? He sounds familiar.

Character from Shadows of Reach

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Lt. Maks Chapov, part of the aircrew supporting Blue Team in SoR

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Bella went out kinda like Kat

rancid jolt May 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Oh yes! Is it the marine that wanted to impress chief? Or the that humorous Warthog driver?

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Halo canon did a full review in it recently.

unique rune May 29, 2021, 8:27 PM

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The former. Spends a decent bit of the book trying to prove himself.

rancid jolt May 29, 2021, 8:33 PM

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unique rune The former. Spends a decent bit of the book trying to prove himself.

Did eventually impress chief.

young silo May 29, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Does fireteam Raven make it off of the first Halo ring or no it's just a market stat for an arcade game

unique rune May 29, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Raven does not survive the detonation of the Autumn's fusion drives or the subsequent destruction of Installation 04.

young silo May 29, 2021, 10:35 PM

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oh ok

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Actually it's a bit of an interesting change. Playing as doomed characters.

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Only them and 6 as far as I know.

young silo May 29, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I just thought the later because Iremeber when it came out I was like John wasn't the only spartan

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rookie was doomed in a way

slim thorn May 29, 2021, 10:45 PM

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young silo I just thought the later because Iremeber when it came out I was like John wasn'...

Only two Spartans are at PoA at that time, though. John-117 and Linda-058 (Who was clinically deceased).

slim thorn May 29, 2021, 10:45 PM

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young silo rookie was doomed in a way

I personally don't like to have Rookie killed since Romeo and Mickey now have to endure the rant of two couples at Alpha-Nine (Buck and Dare, another is Dutch and Gretchen).

unique rune May 29, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Mickey deserves it

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Bringing the dead back to life seems to be a regular thing in Halo.

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Mind the brain damage.

craggy sierra May 29, 2021, 11:11 PM

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It's really not

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Halo's technically never brought anyone back to life

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It brought two computers back to life

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But like...they're computers

slim thorn May 29, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Unless there is a feature where dead brain tissue was extracted and reconstructed as an AI. I recall that UNSC have some cases about that, do we?

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 11:38 PM

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The narration said the Cradle could do it.

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Sorry not cradle

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Hold on

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Hopeful

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"With the horrors of the Human-Covenant War taking their toll on the UNSC forces, the Hopeful was always busy. In many cases, the Hopeful was known to literally 'bring the dead back to life'"

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 11:40 PM

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slim thorn Unless there is a feature where dead brain tissue was extracted and reconstructe...

that's how smart AI are made

viscid salmon May 29, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Source is Halo Ghosts of Onyx page 97

humble yacht May 29, 2021, 11:40 PM

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it only works with fresh brains

viscid trout May 30, 2021, 12:50 AM

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And probabky intact ones as well.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 12:52 AM

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basically the brain can't be damaged or decayed

dawn knot May 30, 2021, 1:29 AM

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So now Halsey is missing a hunk of brain?

viscid trout May 30, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Except she's not dead? As far as we know, anyways.

craggy sierra May 30, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Halsey cloned herself to make Cortana

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Do we ever talk about why copying a brain to make an AI kills the host but copying all of your memories to a new brain is a-okay?

dawn knot May 30, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Just keep it all on a flash drive

viscid trout May 30, 2021, 1:55 AM

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I don't know. I'm not a scientist.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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craggy sierra Do we ever talk about why copying a brain to make an AI kills the host but copyi...

is that ok?

dawn knot May 30, 2021, 2:12 AM

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Yes it is

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 2:13 AM

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i know flash cloning to replace organs is ok

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but normally aren't they only cloning the individual organs?

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:07 AM

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yes

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:11 AM

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well if you're just growing a brain for the sake of like curing brain cancer or replacing a traumatically damaged brain, nothing wrong with it

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it's not like growing a full person

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Um... how are you going to get the proper nervous connections...

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i dunno, how do they do it in the books if someone needs a new brain?

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i dont think they do

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if they need a new brain...

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well pretty sure consciousness resides in the brain

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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so then why did someone say its ok to copy memories into a new brain?

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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so if it's damaged to htat point, then the person is gone.

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Okay? The only times we saw that was unethical situations

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Halsey

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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i know, i'm talking about what waffle and stacker are talking about

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Well it is doable but

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I should read

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:17 AM

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i want to know why they think copying memories into new brains is ok by halo standards

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Oh yeah i don't know why he's saying it's a-okay

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 3:17 AM

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humble yacht i want to know why they think copying memories into new brains is ok by halo sta...

That's not what he meant

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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then please explain

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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He's saying that the act of making an AI destroys the brain, but wonders why the act of making a perfect copy of the brain's memories to place onto another brain doesn't destroy the original

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Do we know for sure it's a perfect copy though?

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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No idea

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:18 AM

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you mean how did halsey survive copying her memories?

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 3:19 AM

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He's asking why one is destructive and the other isn't

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Using different methods evidently I would say though

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 3:19 AM

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iirc she scanned her brain and manually made the clone brains have the same neural map

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yea

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so the memory transfer was done by her scanning her brain and creating an artificial simulation of her neural map using the data, and that map was applied to the clone brains

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why one scan destroys tissue and the other doesn't could just be due to the energy of the scan

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for instance, cortana mentioned that the Didact's scan was "high energy", and given how it cause terminals to spark and stuff, it seemed to be a harsher scan than other types

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then of course, there's the Composer-level scan

versed helm May 30, 2021, 6:58 AM

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And I just finished Halo Cryptum again

versed helm May 30, 2021, 7:52 AM

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Was Thel Vadam ever married?

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 7:52 AM

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Yeah

versed helm May 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Really?

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I also wonder how Sangheili marriage ceremonies work?

dawn knot May 30, 2021, 9:17 AM

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What would have happened if the didact was released during the human covenant war

carmine sleet May 30, 2021, 9:21 AM

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Most likely the Covenant would have a power split since I doubt Truth would want to answer to an actual Forerunner. Meanwhile, many others would want to help the Ur-Didact in his conquest to wipe out humanity

dawn knot May 30, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Fair enough

ashen rivet May 30, 2021, 9:54 AM

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thel vadam is such a don juan

craggy sierra May 30, 2021, 11:16 AM

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humble yacht is that ok?

Well my point is what's the difference in technology between copying a brain's information for a clone vs copying a brain's information for an AI? Halsey still needed to manually transfer her memories to the new brain for it to work.

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:13 PM

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How far advance do you think Dot was when she was given to Noble team

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considering we were in 2552 and the spartan 3 program was going on at that time I kinda wonder how advance because we see an overview of the mission we're on through like her perspective and then zooms in to begin the mission.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 1:16 PM

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She was never given to noble team

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Wait I thought she was assigned to them

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Auntie dot, being a dumb AI, would lint have existed on a data chip like Cortana

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And also, Noble team’s armor wasn’t compatible with storing AI

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:17 PM

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ok that makes a little better sense

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Auntie Dot communicated with noble team over radio

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Or perhaps through Carter’s tacpad

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Then who was zooming in on Noble Team at the beginning of the missions

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Auntie dot probably had access to satellites orbiting reach, among other camera systems

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:19 PM

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That makes sense now

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Vergil also had access to cameras in ODST

young silo May 30, 2021, 1:20 PM

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True

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And all technology related items like doors in New Mombasa

devout abyss May 30, 2021, 4:26 PM

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at the end of Halo 3, how come Master Chief stayed in space while Arbiter was able to get to Earth?

carmine sleet May 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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The ship was cut in half as it went through the Portal back to Earth from the Ark. Arbiter was in the half that made it back, while Chief's half was sent elsewhere

wispy wasp May 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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It got cut in half in slipsace?

carmine sleet May 30, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Correct

wispy wasp May 30, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Huh, i guess i always just assumed that only the aarbiters half got through the portal and mc was left by the ark

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I guess that makes a bit more sense why they thought he was dead

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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If the back end of the ship never made it into the portal, then that means Chief would have been drifting outside the galaxy

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He wouldn’t have made it back to the galaxy in only 4 years on drift speed

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And requiem is in the galaxy

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Tbf it’s a confusing situation as there is no explanation on how the ship could be cut in half after going through the portal, but at the same time the explanation that the portal close before chief’s section entered it also doesn’t work because a) he survived the halo pulse, and b) he made it to requiem in only 4 years

carmine sleet May 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Aye, it's weird

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I just chalk it up to Bungie not really doing a good job making sure things were consistent in Halo 3

last anchor May 30, 2021, 4:59 PM

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humble yacht Tbf it’s a confusing situation as there is no explanation on how the ship could ...

Medicant Bias redirecting him presumably, based on the final message from him in 3

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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That doesn’t explain how the ship either broke while in slipspace or how chief’s section drifted multiple light years in such short amount of time

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One of those explanations would be needed to fully explain what happened

last anchor May 30, 2021, 5:04 PM

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I got nothing on that.

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Mendicant bias being the one who broke off the ship into another direction. And what do you mean drifted light years ?

last anchor May 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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It took 4 years from when Chief awoke the first time to go into cryo to when the remains arrived at Requiem.

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But we dont know how fast it was going so.

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Presumably it wasnt light years, just long enough to require a drift.

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Speed in space is stable unless acted upon obviously so

carmine sleet May 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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If he was travelling at FTL speeds, the ship wouldn't have been floating outside Requiem, more a stain on the side

viscid trout May 30, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Plus, slipspace works on some Really put there physics as well.

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 5:40 PM

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I was more thinking like the ship already enters the portal, but in midway of transition, it was teared apart, splitting the ship in two.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 5:45 PM

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fair hazel Mendicant bias being the one who broke off the ship into another direction. And ...

The ark is extragalactic. Requiem is in the Milky way. The distance between those two points in normal space is many lightyears apart. The most generous estimates would put the Ark 62,000 light years away from the edge of the milky way. This means there is no feasible way that Chief could drift at any sub-light velocity from the Ark to Requiem in only 4 years and some change

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ergo, the only way the FuD's aft section could drift (as in moving with no propulsion and only with reserved momentum) to Requiem in 4 years is if was already in the milky way at the time it began drifting

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now we don't know the FuD's drift speed since i can find no records of how fast ship engines let them go, but whatever speed it was, it would not be fast enough to cover the maximum distance between the ark and requiem in only 4 years

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Therefore, the logical explanation is that the aft section of the ship exited slipspace early, in such a way that it's trajectory allowed it to drift to Requiem on its reserved momentum. But this leaves the question on how the ship was broken in two while already in slipspace, since if it was a matter of collapsing the portal before it completed the journey back to earth (which is about a monthlong journey in slipspace), then the whole ship should have exited, not just the back end. but somehow, despite the portal closing early, Arbiter's section made it all the way back to earth, suggesting that the entire slipspace route is not dependent on the portal being active (this is also suggested by the fact that the allied forces arrived at the Ark by exiting through their own individual portals, and not the main large portal above the ark)

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Taken together, what we have is an inconsistency where it seems like Bungie originally intended for Chief's section of the ship not to make it through the portal, but didn't consider the logical ramifications of what that would mean for chief to be able to make it back to the Milky Way in a reasonable amount of time

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i think we call that a plothole

blissful sundial May 30, 2021, 9:02 PM

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okay so I've always been confused about the timeline of Halo 2 to Halo 3

hasty geyser May 30, 2021, 9:02 PM

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How so

blissful sundial May 30, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Chief arrives with the forerunner ship that truth is on

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but when the game starts Miranda, Johnson and Arbiter are already there

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ODST only makes this more confusing

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because in ODST the Brutes have betrayed the Elites before Regret is killed on Delta Halo

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and then Johnson shows up a month after the events of ODST to talk with the engineer

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:05 PM

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So, the timeline is like this.
Halo 3: ODST is between Halo 2 and Halo 3, as in chronological gameplay, Tayari Plaza start right after the end of Metropolis.

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By that time, Truth already give the order to those who stays at Earth to massacre all Elites before his fleet arrives.

blissful sundial May 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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so that was planned before Regret died?

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Truth already planned it way before Regret comes to Earth.

hasty geyser May 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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It's never actually extrapolated how Johnson, Miranda, and Arby get to Earth

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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First Strike is the first mention on how Truth assemble the fleets with mainly consisting of Jiralhanae.

hasty geyser May 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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But either one of Rtas' ships took them or UNSC forces came to the ring and picked them up

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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There are other three UNSC Ship that follows Solemn Penance. UNSC Dusk, UNSC Coral Sea, and UNSC Paris.

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Thel, Miranda, and Johnson could ride one of it or Rtas send one of the FoR's ship to bring them back home to Earth.

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Elite forces picking them up makes the most sense. After all, it might take a UNSC ship way too long to get there, as Delta Halo is on the other side of the galaxy from the Orion Arm

blissful sundial May 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I still doesn't make sense how they beat chief back

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Because Truth stayed in orbit for a while

elfin meadow May 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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slim thorn First Strike is the first mention on how Truth assemble the fleets with mainly c...

johnson is just a magician!

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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He didn't immediately touch down on Earth

blissful sundial May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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ohhhhhhh

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well even then Chief would have had to be on the ship for a while

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Earth to 05 is like two weeks of travel

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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He was, yes

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Chief does infiltrate Anodyne Spirit

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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slim thorn Earth to 05 is like two weeks of travel

With Covenant ships

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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His attempt to assassinate Truth fails by the Kig'Yar sniping

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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gilded mason With Covenant ships

No, they hitchhiking it.

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In Amber Clad uses Covenant ships as a buffer.

gilded mason May 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The trip was only so short because they rode in the Covenant ship's wake

slim thorn May 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I guess In Amber Clad did make two weeks worth of slipstreaming Solemn Penance.

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Forward into dawn goes portal. It’s split as the chief part redirects to requiem. The rest of the journey out of slipspace takes 4 years 7 months to drift in the epoloch system.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 9:48 PM

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fair hazel Forward into dawn goes portal. It’s split as the chief part redirects to requiem...

hello tardy boi. the point in question is how a ship gets split in half once its already in slipspace

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we can establish that the whole ship made it into the portal, but not the whole ship made it out. so what happened in slipspace to crack the ship

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:21 PM

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hello! that's me! part of the ship kept going to the destination but in the forerunner's ever amazing mastery of slipspace, the part with chief in it was redirected to requiem, tada! while in slipspace.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Unlike you, I’m not satisfied with half baked explanations

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“Because space magic” has never been a good explanation

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Could have been a particularly bad eddie in Slipspace.

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Dropships are not recommended to enter Slipspace because their low mass means they get knocked around.

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In Amber Clad participated in the battle above the Ark so maybe she took a few knocks.

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Some that could have even stressed her hull integrity.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:46 PM

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You just need shields rated for slipspace

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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They do have mastery of slipspace though

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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Certain phantoms could enter slipspace portals (not made by the phantom)

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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The portal to the ark was accelerated heavily too by abject testament

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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That was after halo 3

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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I like the idea of a couple of wounds to the Dawn could have made her a bit rickety.

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And the jump to Slipspace just messed around around the point where she ripped

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Yes, but still the forerunner excelled in their use of slipspace

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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When would the Dawn have taken damage?

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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I would assume when Keyes was fighting Truths fleet.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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That was rtas

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Thel isn't what mendicant meant to send to didact.

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:49 PM

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I believe the longsword radio mentions she's directly involved.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Ericky you aren’t answering the question of how. You’re just hand waving it

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I don’t think the Dawn was damaged to the point where it ran the risk of being compromised during a slipspace jump

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:50 PM

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The "This is a heavyweight fight. Dawn's only got the tonnage to last a few rounds" line, at least to me says she was actively participating.

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Then I'm running out of plausible explanations.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:50 PM

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The original plan was for all three (Thel, Chief, and Johnson) to leave using the ship. If they noticed it was damaged, Johnson would have said something

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He used the Dawn to get to the ring, while arbiter and Chief used a pelican

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Johnson being able to operate a frigate on his own without Cortana being another issue altogether...

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

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All he was doing was parking it

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Well to counter my own point they didn't model any damage onto Dawn

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Not like he was doing something super specific like mapping a jump

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

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He did get it off the Ark onto the ring.

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Maybe there was some naval personnel in the nose end I dunno

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Yea, he basically parked it

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He’s been around long enough to probably have picked up a little pilot knowledge

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:53 PM

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I mean, it's not like I have a phD in slipspace to be able to say what exact mechanisms the ship was redirected, other than something on mendicant's end.

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Frigate ain't no mean feat for a Marine to command. Hats off.

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:54 PM

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What makes you say that chris?

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Johnson wasn’t a standard marine

fair hazel May 30, 2021, 11:54 PM

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And so what if he didn't have cortana? Most ships didn't have smart AIs

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Well just because a Marine would be rated specifically for ground craft at the least, aircraft at the most. Johnson I'm going to assume is a Rifleman by trade. It would be like someone who went to school to pilot an F35 to command a deep strike operation on the ground.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:55 PM

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fair hazel Thel isn't what mendicant meant to send to didact.

There’s a little problem with this theory: how the hell would MB know what part of the ship Thel would be in?

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It’s not like he had eyes in the ship

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What if Thel had stayed in the back and Chief gone to the front?

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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I haven't seen the guys whole resume, but I just think it's unlikely that a Rifleman would go to school for spacecraft command without a branch switch at the least.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Remember than Johnson was like 80

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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25 years is a long time, maybe he picked something up.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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And he was a spartan 1

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Yeah but a lot of that time must have been on ice, come on

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Not that much

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Not like Spirit of Fire amounts

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:57 PM

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No. Most certainly not in that case.

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I just think Johnson is more at home on the ground than in a Big Chair.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:57 PM

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Sure, but it’s not that outlandish that he’d no how to park a frigate

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

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The frigate could have basic dumb navigation though.

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Now that I could see definitely.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

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It’s not the same as piloting frigate in a battle scenario

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Like in case the CO and the XO are incapacitated.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Or making a slipspace jump

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

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I think having bridge crew around can be a great compromise on the parking deal.

humble yacht May 30, 2021, 11:59 PM

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It’s like this: a 14 yo could probably safely drive a car up the street, but you wouldn’t let them go on the highway

viscid salmon May 30, 2021, 11:59 PM

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We never saw any of them hurt, injured, or dead.

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I will say yeah it's not to the same degree as doing something advanced sure.

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I guess I'm defeating my own point with my argument now that I think about it.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:00 AM

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viscid salmon We never saw any of them hurt, injured, or dead.

In the beginning of the level, Rtas says “we are on board: humans and elites”

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Rtas took the other humans with him on the Shadow

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Dawn could have been docked at that point.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Nope

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

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But... he would have said something if she left

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Watch the opening cutscene

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“Johnson, do you have the frigate?”

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“Yes ma’am, I’ll land her as close to the control room as I can”

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“Safe is better than close, Sergeant”

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He did it himself

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:02 AM

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I'm looking into this online. There are a good amount of discussions on Johnson piloting the dawn.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Both Johnson and Chief would probably have refused the help of anyone else

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Given the danger of what they were doing

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Maybe... maybe a frigate could control like an aircraft? At least in atmosphere?

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:04 AM

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They wouldn’t put any more people in danger than absolutely necessary

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Maybe the ring was only in upper atmosphere so Johnson, directly at helm, could manually steer it?

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I could potentially see that.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I mean, it’s pretty obvious he did it

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Some people are referencing something in First Strike.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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It’s not like he did some amazing nautical maneuver

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He just brought it in gently and parked

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Then took a hog to get to the control room

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Now when we see the Dawn get brought in super fast in The Ark, obviously that sort of maneuver would require a pro like Keyes

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Oh wait, Arbiter was at her con when the dawn took off.

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Johnson was very dead by that point.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Huh

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We’re talking about the beginning of Halo, not the end

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Johnson was alive when he parked the ship near the control room

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“Near”

devout abyss May 31, 2021, 12:08 AM

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why is Rampancy a thing?

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Because Eric nylund said so

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:09 AM

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I'm saying there's two instances where in my opinion, unqualified personnel are flying a starship.

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One being an alien.

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No possible way that ship was flying under direct power. It had to be an autopilot system.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:09 AM

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I don’t think arbiter ever actually piloted the ship

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:09 AM

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So was it Cortana?

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Most UNSC ships have at the very least a dumb ai

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:10 AM

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When they escaped from the ring into the portal, Cortana was navigating

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Hence why the engines didn’t start until cortana was in the system

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She started them

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Now ok that I could buy.

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That makes perfect sense.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:10 AM

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That being said, Thel was a shipmaster

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He probably had some helmsman knowledge

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At the very least some basic understanding of pitch and yaw

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How much piloting skill is necessary to navigate that particular slipspace route is unclear

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But I highly doubt he was bouncing around the whole way through

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:15 AM

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You know what? Johnson can drive a scarab.

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I'll suspend disbelief.

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Drive it perfectly I might add.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Not to mention drive it solo

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When it was normally a two-elite job

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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So, OK there's some gameplay precedent for a Nonsense-Class drivers license.

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Unless some of the dudes you rescued from the botched executions jumped on.

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They kind of just vanish after the fact.

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Someone did mention an event from First Strike. I think if I remember really hard, Johnson was at a weapons station.

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It's been so long I can't remember the exact part.

weak patrol May 31, 2021, 12:55 AM

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In Halo 3 when at the end when lord hood says "I remember how this war started, what your kind did to mine" to the arbiter what is he referring to? Reach?

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Probably the start of the war, as referenced by "I remember how this war started"

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So Harvest.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 12:56 AM

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It could also be a reference to the entirety of the war before the schism forced them into an alliance

weak patrol May 31, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Alright just kind of wondered i never really knew and it always stood out as something I was curious about

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 12:58 AM

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Ya can also read the books if yer ever interested in learning more, in-depth

weak patrol May 31, 2021, 12:58 AM

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Probably will soon, been looking at them for a while now debating whether I wanted to buy them

slim thorn May 31, 2021, 1:26 AM

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humble yacht Not to mention drive it solo

Well... Johnson can park it, so I think it's safe to say that Thel can pilot it solo as well.

teal imp May 31, 2021, 4:30 AM

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you see masterchief is just a troll

hazy summit May 31, 2021, 5:08 AM

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cheif what are you doing? "Making a cake"

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Oh hey, 'Earther' is used in "Breaking Strain"

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I was wondering if they used something like Terran or something like that

last anchor May 31, 2021, 6:15 AM

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viscid salmon Unless some of the dudes you rescued from the botched executions jumped on.

They did.

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 6:16 AM

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I figured they did.

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Better than just poofing into the ether.

last anchor May 31, 2021, 6:16 AM

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They just aren't in shot for story telling simplicity most likely.

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Johnsons good but driving an entire scarab by himself, I doubt it.

dawn knot May 31, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Maybe one guy manages the gu-
Wait, he used the gun as well

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Shush, It's more marketable that way.

last anchor May 31, 2021, 6:27 AM

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No reason to make two random no-name Marines for the inevitable playset yes

agile lotus May 31, 2021, 11:32 AM

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I will say, the biggest problem I have with The Duel is how loosely it plays with when it takes place. Then again, a lot of Halo Legends tends to play it loose with both representation and interpretation.

terse lava May 31, 2021, 12:34 PM

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I dont see any problem with the time The Duel is set. Sure it was marketed as happening in the early years of the Covenant, but with Kig-Yar and Unggoy, it had to happen a few centuries before the Covenant War

wispy wasp May 31, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Were all Spartans called demons or was it just reserved for the chief?

terse lava May 31, 2021, 12:57 PM

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All were

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Chief simply gained the title of THE demon after destroying the halo ring

wispy wasp May 31, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Ahh, that makes sense

ashen rivet May 31, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Even odsts were called imps implying the covenant thought they were just smaller spartans

wispy wasp May 31, 2021, 2:12 PM

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That's hilarious, i bet they loved that

teal imp May 31, 2021, 2:44 PM

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the flood smell

wispy wasp May 31, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I mean they are made of biomass and other dead things

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I can't imagine that'd smell good

ashen rivet May 31, 2021, 3:27 PM

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wispy wasp That's hilarious, i bet they *loved* that

Sometimes when you get killed by a brute in halo 3 odst he will say something like “i killed the imp, now the demon is the next”

spiral jewel May 31, 2021, 4:48 PM

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What I never understood is why there are Post War Covenant factions that still refer to the S2s as Demons... , as if I recall correctly, Atriox had called Alice, Jerome and a injured Douglas "Demons" when they were retreating back to their Warthog at the beginning of HW2 and I think S-117 was called a demon a couple times during Halo 4

carmine sleet May 31, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Force of habit

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Say you were at war with a country for years, so long that your country came up with derogatory terms and names to call the opposing country in the conflict, once the war was over and peace was established, it would still take quite some time for the people to stop using those terms and names because by that point, it's become so common to use them that it takes effort to unlearn them

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I think Atriox was using the term ironically

agile lotus May 31, 2021, 5:10 PM

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He most likely was, considering how hard he curb-stomped them in that fight.

fair hazel May 31, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Anyone else find it weird in a way that we’re not in the 50s anymore? Well with infinite. The 60s. So much time spent. In the 50s, 52 and up

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Especially

carmine sleet May 31, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Time progresses

stable flower May 31, 2021, 5:35 PM

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ashen rivet Even odsts were called imps implying the covenant thought they were just smaller...

I wonder what they'd call ONI agents. Goblins?

craggy sierra May 31, 2021, 5:38 PM

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A. I doubt they know what ONI even is.
B. ONI is already a term for demon from Japanese folk lore.

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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A. I doubt they know what ONI even is.
For that part...we kinda had a book with destroying ONI as the impetus for the conflict

craggy sierra May 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Wasn't that post war?

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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No, at the very start, basically

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2526

craggy sierra May 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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ah

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 5:40 PM

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But I doubt they're gonna give nicknames to every little thing, yeah

craggy sierra May 31, 2021, 5:40 PM

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Either case ONI frontline agents are usually going to be dressed similiarly to any other combatant and ONI's bureaucratic side it's just gonna be people in like standard formal business attire.

ashen rivet May 31, 2021, 5:41 PM

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stable flower I wonder what they'd call ONI agents. Goblins?

that’s the unggoy mech

craggy sierra May 31, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Like you would be unable to identify an ONI personnel from any other rank and file or civilian at a glance. Depending on which area you're talking about.

waxen anchor May 31, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Does Infinity have ODST drop pod capability?

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 6:35 PM

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I would hope so if even frigates have it

fair hazel May 31, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Yes hundreds of them

main rivet May 31, 2021, 6:57 PM

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fair hazel Anyone else find it weird in a way that we’re not in the 50s anymore? Well with ...

Was talking about this on our latest podcast, but it's weird thinking about stuff like "The Return" as being this brief glimpse into a far-off time in Halo... that we've now passed.

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There was that period where the post-Halo 3 world was not really discussed and we didn't have any real clue.

fair hazel May 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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the return is interesting even moreso with the created

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:19 PM

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stable flower I wonder what they'd call ONI agents. Goblins?

I think the Banished may respect the UNSC as combatants enough to know what their spies are called

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Heck, they could just call them 'Onis'

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Onis are Japanese demons after all

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:31 PM

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I don’t think the secular banished would come up for née nicknames for humans based on how Spartans were called demons by the covenant

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It’s one thing for old names to carry over for convenience (or in atriox’s case, spite)

gaunt smelt May 31, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Halo.

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:36 PM

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humble yacht I don’t think the secular banished would come up for née nicknames for humans ba...

It's kind of why I think they would just call them, well, spy. In all honesty since as you said, they are a secular army.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:39 PM

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How would a banished even know a human was an ONI operative?

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It’s not like spies wear their crest on their shirt

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 8:43 PM

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humble yacht It’s not like spies wear their crest on their shirt

Unless you're ONI in Halo 4's intro

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Wearin' giant "ONI" logos on their uniforms as they steal children

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:44 PM

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H4’s intro isn’t exactly “lore accurate”

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Short answer? Know thy enemy.

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Atriox is a smart boy who runs his army extremely well. If I was a general fighting a war, I would be able to first of all distinguish between active combatants and support staff.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Spies aren’t typically on a battlefield

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Atriox is a smart boy who runs his army extremely well.
He lost to a half depleted out-of-date human ship.

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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And I know Atriox knows the difference between a civilian and an active combatant.

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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gilded mason > Atriox is a smart boy who runs his army extremely well. He lost to a half dep...

He was doing well up to that point.

gilded mason May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Was he? He seemed to lose at every step against the SoF

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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There are Elites as part of his army, and I know the Elites have a concept of spies.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Also, James Bond is the most famous spy. He can handle himself in a fight. Spies aren’t untrained

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Osoonna and Zuka 'Zamamee is immediately labeled as a spy.

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Heck, Sangheili culture has tradecraft as a pillar of their society.

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Covenant or not, they could very likely inform Atriox of what spies would do.

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So even if Brutes don't have concepts of spies, Elites in the Banished may very well know.

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And thus can perform counterops against ONI agents trying to keep tabs on them.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:52 PM

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It’s one thing to notice a spy in your midst

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But ONI operatives would not be in the middle of the banished serving alongside

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The banished have no desire for humans to get that close. They aren’t the Keepers

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Good thing elites have a long established habit of wandering around with active camouflage units

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Game recognises game

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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That’s not really spying

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Maybe not but I think it would pretty well establish that the banish would understand what a spy is and what they might look like

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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I think you have a different idea of what a spy looks like than i do

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:56 PM

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When I think spy in Halo, I think someone like that Elite who was able to tour the Autumn, it's engine room, and successfully determine the identification of its commanding officer.

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I am speaking of saying in intelligence gathering and building dossiers of potential targets

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Not actively participating in a power structure and earning trust of superiors to stab them in the back.

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Not Shadow of Mordor style.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:57 PM

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In that case, any banished would notice an ONI spy. It’d be the only human poking around

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Intelligence gathering is still very much spycraft

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Well, I did say they would be able to recognize spies at the very beginning.

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And I don't put it past ONI to experiment with active camo on agents. They seem to have a lot of goodies stashed away.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:58 PM

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It wouldn’t be hard

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Poking around is still a staple definition of spy craft yo.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Your type of spy relies on not getting spotted in the first place

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 8:59 PM

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And they would likely just call them 'spy' at the end of the day.

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Sam Fisher is very much a spy.

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His job is not to be seen.

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He kills, and he gathers intelligence.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:00 PM

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And when he is seen, he’s immediately attacked because everyone knows he’s not supposed to be there

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Still a spy.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:01 PM

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There’s nothing special about noticing Sam fisher is a spy

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Just not a good one if he's not caught

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But this initial argument started because we weren't sure what the Banished would call ONI agents.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Spies

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:02 PM

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If we established that ONI agents would likely operate very much like Sam Fisher, and we established that Sam Fisher is a spy.

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Then it's 'spy'

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That's a wrap, cut to print

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:02 PM

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If they wanted to insult them, they’d call them human filth or something

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I mean, I just wanted to know what they would call them, but insults sure aren't off the table.

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Filth, dung, whatever parasite that Elites have.

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Take your pick.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Spartans got a special name because of how detrimental they were to the covenant’s campaign

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:03 PM

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In 30 years I'm sure some colorful ones came about.

humble yacht May 31, 2021, 9:03 PM

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They earned their nickname

viscid salmon May 31, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Well humans tend to associate animals with certain people

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I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for the banish to Maybe apply one of their animals as an insult

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Something that is well known for sneaking around and being cowardly

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Departed just came to mind so a good one for human ro call a human might just simply be rat

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I think one of the kilo 5 books use some sort of intestinal parasite as an insult

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I'm driving right now so I can't exactly look it up for anything accurate

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Not as a spy insult but more as a general human filth comment

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Nishum

waxen anchor Jun 1, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Does the Mantle's Approach have no weaponry other than the composer?

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Why didn't it fire at Infinity?

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During the composing of New Phoenix

unique rune Jun 1, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Well, I mean. It does have other weapons. Like the particle cannons that Chief had to disable before the Infinity could even approach to take the shot.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 6:19 AM

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waxen anchor Why didn't it fire at Infinity?

Infinity stayed out of range of its armaments

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It was tearing through other ships that got near it

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Also, nothing the UNSC had could really hurt it, so it could largely ignore everything and just keep heading towards earth

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 10:34 AM

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canonically how many cuts can an energy sword resist?

rain imp Jun 1, 2021, 10:38 AM

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cuts? I mean, it's made of energy, it doesn't work like that.

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The blade is made of a magnetically sealed and partially ionized electron based gas. So it's not solid per se.

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Orbital Super MAC is also ineffective against the Mantle's Approach. But Infinity can punch through it only by concentrating two MACs in a single area.

main rivet Jun 1, 2021, 12:47 PM

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And the Mantles Approach was able to quickly seal off the damage.

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 12:54 PM

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Pretty much, but if UNSC prepares insertion team fast, they can infiltrate it. I do hope they can feature it on War Games.

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 1:00 PM

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rain imp cuts? I mean, it's made of energy, it doesn't work like that.

yeah but you get the idea right?

rain imp Jun 1, 2021, 1:09 PM

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I get the idea, but your answer would be as none, because as soon as you remove the obstruction, the blade reforms.

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(as long as it has energy, of course)

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 1:38 PM

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ashen rivet canonically how many cuts can an energy sword resist?

For me, it's like until the battery runs out.

carmine sleet Jun 1, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Should also note that the way the sword functions in game is also not how it functions in lore. You can use it for much longer than ten kills in lore

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Flood needs at least 30 kills to deplete the battery, though. So I expect that if they still have battery left inside, energy sword can resist more cuts.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 2:57 PM

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The whole prospect of a battery was likely added for game balancing

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Think about it. Why would Thel go through all the trouble of making a custom sword if it ran out of energy?

rain imp Jun 1, 2021, 3:07 PM

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humble yacht Think about it. Why would Thel go through all the trouble of making a custom swo...

Just needs some AAs.

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dawn knot Jun 1, 2021, 3:24 PM

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rain imp Just needs some AAs.

It uses those weird half length batteries mid 2000s camera have a strange affiliation with

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 5:21 PM

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To the crew when a ship goes into slipspace how long on there end does it usually take?

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 5:26 PM

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wispy wasp To the crew when a ship goes into slipspace how long on there end does it usuall...

Time elapsed is the same for inside and outside, I believe.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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There was that one time slipspace made them go back in time

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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~~We don't talk about that~~

versed helm Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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talk about it.

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Nuh.

versed helm Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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What happened

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Just some weird Forerunner slipspace crystal thing that did weird stuff to time while they were in transit.I guess they exited earlier than they entered

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 5:58 PM

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rain imp I get the idea, but your answer would be as none, because as soon as you remove ...

yeah but i wonder how long the energy is still in there when you use it

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canonically of course

runic creek Jun 1, 2021, 6:00 PM

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ashen rivet yeah but i wonder how long the energy is still in there when you use it

I’d say long enough that elites don’t even think about their charge running out during missions I’m currently on the cole protocol in order of release date and so far the dozens of times elites are using energy swords the never mention the charge running out or getting close

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 6:01 PM

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i see

runic creek Jun 1, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Id say it’s safe to assume nearly an hour or 2?of continuous run time I don’t know if hits affect charge hasn’t said so far in the books

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 6:03 PM

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That is unlikely

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The sword in multiplayer didn’t even have a charge. The notion of usage draining power is a gameplay mechanic to prevent overuse of the sword

runic creek Jun 1, 2021, 6:06 PM

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The only mention I recall of covenant weapons running out of charge is in “Halo:The Flood” covenant weapons are used to try and burn a hole into a forerunner grate and there was hundreds of them laying around attempting to burn through

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The charge is just a gameplay mechanic gimmick and books I have read so far don’t mention it. It could be possible that the writers of the books haven’t come across that subject yet or don’t want to

versed helm Jun 1, 2021, 6:30 PM

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~~wow i didn’t know you could do this~~

inner basin Jun 1, 2021, 6:52 PM

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gilded mason Just some weird Forerunner slipspace crystal thing that did weird stuff to time ...

~~We’re not supposed to talk about that because it was some weird Sci-Fi magic~~

versed helm Jun 1, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Does San Francisco still exist in the Halo universe?, Berkeley still exists

runic creek Jun 1, 2021, 7:18 PM

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versed helm Does San Francisco still exist in the Halo universe?, Berkeley still exists

I don’t see why not

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Mombasa used to exist I guess that’s the only real world place that isn’t in halo...anymore

versed helm Jun 1, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Is it weird to say that I feel sorry for Halsey?, it seems like the woman just can't catch a break

limpid meadow Jun 1, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Not that strange, no.

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She's a terrible human being, but something of a tragic figure, too.

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 8:07 PM

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She’s the architect of her own pain

sullen birch Jun 1, 2021, 8:41 PM

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who is the president of the unsc

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 8:41 PM

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You mean the UEG?

sullen birch Jun 1, 2021, 8:42 PM

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yea

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:42 PM

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well then, i hope writers talk more about the energy sword

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Ruth Charet

sullen birch Jun 1, 2021, 8:42 PM

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ah

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thanks, been wondering about that

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:42 PM

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when you realize the human space is ruled by australians

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 8:43 PM

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runic creek The only mention I recall of covenant weapons running out of charge is in “Halo:...

Well... Yeah. That's what I can see as well. Even the Energy weapon has its limit.

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Thel probably have a customized blade for himself, so he can recharge it whenever he's not in battle.

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:43 PM

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i mean, covenant technology is based on forerunner technology but is lightly inferior

slim thorn Jun 1, 2021, 8:44 PM

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The San'Shyuums are inhibiting it

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:46 PM

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slim thorn Thel probably have a customized blade for himself, so he can recharge it wheneve...

that makes me wonder how do covenant and their derived recharge their energy weapons

gilded mason Jun 1, 2021, 8:49 PM

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They set up batteries that can recharge their stuff. I guess they just slot them in

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And there's probably other ways, too

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Like maybe using their own armor's fusion pack for recharging as well

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:51 PM

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maybe

ashen rivet Jun 1, 2021, 8:55 PM

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gilded mason They set up batteries that can recharge their stuff. I guess they just slot them...

like a controller?

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:22 PM

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limpid meadow She's a terrible human being, but something of a tragic figure, too.

Maybe i haven't read enough about her but she seemed like a good person, yes kidnapping kids is bad, but her goal was to prevent full on civil war from happening

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The whole s2 program was just awful morally, but she definitely had the reason to do so

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Ok, maybe good is a bad word to describe her

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But i wouldn't say terrible either

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:27 PM

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wispy wasp Maybe i haven't read enough about her but she seemed like a good person, yes kid...

Her goal was to make a soldier so strong and so terrifying that it would serve as a boogieman to potential rebels

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The UNSC didn’t need Spartans to stop the insurrectionists

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:29 PM

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But she knew without them that there would be massive casualties

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:31 PM

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She predicted that, she didn’t know

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Just like how the forerunners “predicted” that the precursors would kill them all, and struck preemptively

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And look at what happened from that

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:32 PM

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That's fair

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:33 PM

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This is pretty much the same thing Steve Rogers told Nick Fury in Winter Soldier

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Trying to stop wars before they happen tends to lead to problems

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:35 PM

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So halsey tried to solve a problem she predicted would be a problem? And that solution was the s2 program

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:36 PM

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You can argue that Halsey had good intentions behind her idea (prevention of large scale war)

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But that doesn’t mean that what she did was right.

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Cortana also had good intention

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:38 PM

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I mean cortana was modeled after halsey

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:39 PM

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But nobody talks about how Cortana had a “good reason” to do what she did

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Yes, she is the same as Halsey, but only Halsey gets looked at as the tragic person who’s good inside

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Double standard

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:40 PM

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What was what it that cortana did?

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Was that with the guardians and peace in the galaxy?

humble yacht Jun 1, 2021, 9:41 PM

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She raised the guardians, killing potentially millions of beings across the galaxy in doing so

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Her intent is to make life better for all living things by acting as their shepherd

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Removing hunger, war, sickness, etc. but to do it, she’s going to take away everyone’s freedom

wispy wasp Jun 1, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Ahh, ok