#lore-and-universe

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viscid salmon
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If that guy didn't cap himself, the glassing of Voi probably helped him out.

paper coyote
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I mean.....what direction are the covenant coming to earth from? Surely they couldn't be entirely surrounding the system. There has to be like a portion of space behind earth that the humans have colonized that's far from the covenant assault.

pulsar pivot
slim thorn
versed helm
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Which halo books gives you more detail on the halo rings or the monitors?

terse lava
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Would say thr Forerunner trilogy

lone marten
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Considering that the flood spreads pretty fast, I think glassing half of Africa was a reasonable decision. You know even "a single flood spore can destroy an entire species."
So yeah I guess it was reasonable to glass half the continent.
(Btw I am not pretty good at eng as it is not my native language, sorry bout that)

solid remnant
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I guess.

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All the actions seem justifiable.

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Like dropping a planet cracker on a covenant world.

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Someone called it “retaliatory space genocide” earlier. I’m just sitting here sucking air through my teeth like, yeah, that pretty much sums halo up.

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😬

wraith sigil
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Why not glass the whe continent though. If a single flood spore can do all that, why not just go overkill

lone marten
wraith sigil
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True

last anchor
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The area around the portal and Voi itself was glassed.
Retcon or "Hood being beligerent" has adjusted how far it actually went

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As for the portal, its not hidden, and in fact, was fully active for quite some time, allowing the UNSC to set up a base on the Ark for research and study (as told in Hunters in the Dark)

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The flood on Earth was covered up however, but it wasn't even mentioned; the attack on Voi was simply attributed to the remains of Truth's fleet.

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Spartan Assault had something on it, I think, a cutscene where Roland explains it.

terse lava
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Yeah, to everyone outside of ONI/Fleetcom brass(like Hood), and marine survivors, everyone else thinks Truth's fleet glassed the area.before leaving

versed helm
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Didn’t the UNSC knew there was a forerunner object in afraid since the legendary ending of ODST showed that truth found the portal or only ONI knew

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Because if I remember right oni put a no fly zone surrounding the portal area

carmine sleet
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The no fly zone was put in place after the events of Halo 3. And no, nobody knew there was a large Forerunner structure under Africa until Halo 3

obsidian thistle
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Like SOTA are literally one of the best parts of Halo fiction. XD Conspiracy nuts are always fun. Especially if they are right in a way. XD

void oar
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I really hope 343 don’t forget about Installation 04C or 09 from halo wars 2 since halo infinite will be centered on zeta halo

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I think infinite should’ve been focused on installation 09 because I feel it’s a loose plot thread now. Same with the whole ark conflict

humble yacht
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The next novel will be back on the ark

grave swift
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I don't see why they can't circle back to either after the events of the main Infinite campaign are done.

craggy sierra
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Cuz they already got a book comin' out

versed helm
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I don’t want any spoilers but does shadows of reach cover most of the events between halo 5 and infinite? Like if I read it will I have a good idea of what’s going on when I play infinite?

gilded mason
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||Not really, no||

void oar
gilded mason
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Divine Wind

pulsar grail
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the divine wind isnt a wind

its a burp

woeful dune
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Okay so, how would a Sangheili's shields realistically react to an inferno grenade or fire?

slim thorn
last anchor
agile plinth
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Quick question for y'all: if I started Glasslands do I have to do the while Kilo Five Trilogy or is it self contained enough?

last anchor
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Not even close to self contained

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You're gonna have to finish Kilo-5, and then read Last Light, which starts off the Lopis Trilogy (with the third coming soon) but ALSO branches off into the III Survivor Dueology (which consists of the short story Lessons Learned and the book Legacy of Onyx).

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Also for some of the stuff in Glasslands to make sense you're gonna have to have read Ghosts of Onyx, which requires reading the rest of The Nylund Trilogy (but you should have read that anyway because its literally Halo's core backbone).

agile plinth
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Ok. Good to know.

void oar
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Speaking of energy shielding, why didn’t the UNSC just use elite energy shielding as a template for Mark V energy shielding rather then jackal’s gauntlet shield?

gilded mason
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Because at the time the book was written, the UNSC had never encountered Elites until Reach.

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It was later retconned that the UNSC fought them earlier, but it doesn't feel like there was much attempt to show how the storyline beats would be altered from what Nylund wrote thanks to that change

paper coyote
viscid salmon
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That's some Assembly deep loar

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And the Assembly's mere existence seems to cause debate.

void oar
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Weird how they would intend for humanity to only fight elites until reach

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That is nuts

last anchor
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Canonically it comes from the fact that most Covenant technology, if probed too deeply, tends to violently deconstruct itself to prevent tampering.
Be that the result of an enemy capturing it, oppertunistic Kig-Yar being Kig-Yar, or an Unggoy being bored and wanting to see what makes his gun tick, could be any of them

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The UNSC couldnt get something intact for ages till they found a Jackal Shield Gauntlet that was "older", and DIDNT angrily detonate when poked at

void oar
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Oh wow

pulsar grail
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very lucky

livid current
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Wait

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Halsey escaped Reach on the Pillar of Autumn, right?

gilded mason
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No

livid current
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How did she escape then?

craggy sierra
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Via a ship

gilded mason
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John and the rest of his allies rescued her and others on the Gettysburg-Ascendant Justice.

craggy sierra
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Autumn wasn't the only ship to leave reach

clever kernel
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Raid on reach in first strike, didnt they go back in time or something because of the forerunner Crystal?

terse lava
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Yeah, 3 weeks

paper coyote
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Nani

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Ado, ostral, what have you been keeping from me?

gilded mason
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Nothing, as far as I know!

paper coyote
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Tell me about these time travel shenanigans

gilded mason
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It's a fairly confusing (to me) mess

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CIA would probably be able to explain it better

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You can tag him if you want

paper coyote
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Don't worry I'm a master at time dilation and how going faster than the speed of light makes you go back in time as negative exotic matter that explodes if you touch atoms of your past self

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Y'know, special relativity

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And how just going fast makes you travel forward in time relative to the observer or some cadonkygonk

gilded mason
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Yes, the closer to light speed you travel, the less time you personally perceive

unique rune
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Bah. Local library system apparently has no physical copies of The Flood in circulation.

Guess it’s been a while since I had checked.

Off to Amazon I go to see how prices are for some of the original printings of the novels

fair hazel
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I thought it was some joke about the halo libraries. Whoops

hasty geyser
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Deep dive here, what were the alternate/nascent realities listed that the Forerunners utilised for their energy demands?

terse lava
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The listed realities weren't the nascent univereses used to power forerumner technology. The realities were called: The Glow, Denial of Locale, Shunspace, Trick geodetic, and the Natal void

last anchor
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Shunspace; where you end up whenever you do something your family doesnt like but you gotta spend holiday dinner with em.

jolly furnace
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Sounds like Shunspace is a pkace were a ship gets shunted to its destination rather the ship flying under its own power

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The Glow - Its so bright!!

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Denial of Locale - We're sorry. You currently cannot enter this area of space or any other one you want to.

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Shunspace - You're going to this area whether you want to or not.

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Trick Geodetic - WTF is even happening here?

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Natal Void - Where the heck are we? There's no means to pinpoint our current location or destination.

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Also there's no light sources anywhere

waxen anchor
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Do we ever find out anything about the mysterious ship that crashed on Alpha Halo?

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@gilded mason also how come you’re so active in chat lol

jolly furnace
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No we don't

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No survivors

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damaged in battle

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had an atmosphere similar to 04s

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thats it

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Also not made by sapient bears

spiral jewel
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Where on Reach is the mission "Lone Wolf" supposed to take place, as the beginning of the mission doesn't give a location

versed helm
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Same as previous mission

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Just destroyed

spiral jewel
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Was doing a Modified Halo Reach Rocketfight on Holdout and it kept spawning elites with DMRs and SPNKrs and it was glorious

fast harbor
spiral jewel
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All I did was make custom loadouts

fast harbor
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No.no no im talking about-

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Nvm

spiral jewel
gilded mason
waxen anchor
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I always see you in the chats here

gilded mason
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I pop up to interject stuff every once-in-a-while

waxen anchor
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It would appear so, yeah

vocal aspen
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They probably just like halo lore. Not that deep.

gilded mason
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If it's something I can clarify or add to, at least

waxen anchor
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Do you have any lore questions you wonder about sometimes?

gilded mason
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Yeah

waxen anchor
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Care to share?

gilded mason
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But it's stuff that's not shown in canon, so there's not much to do about it

waxen anchor
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awh come onnn

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i wanna hear em

gilded mason
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Mainly things like: how advanced/widespread are Covenant prosthetics, is Elite military service compulsory (even for a limited time) and what's the process like, how long does schooling for Elites last, what's the oldest an Elite has lived, and I can't recall my others at the moment.

humble yacht
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Lol

gilded mason
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loL

rancid jolt
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Was there any reason why Roland didn't join cortana at the end of Halo 5? Can't find any lore on that.

humble yacht
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He didn’t want to

rancid jolt
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That's it? he out right just said NAH i'm GOOD being with humans? 😦 I thought it would be something more exciting.

humble yacht
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Not every AI turned against humanity

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Ultimately it comes down to a personal choice for the AI

rancid jolt
# humble yacht Ultimately it comes down to a personal choice for the AI

Oh yeah that part someone said on Reddit. Cortana's cause sounds more and more of a lost cause 😛 but with her guardians could do some damage.

saw a video? can't remember someone posted a comment saying that the Didact might be controlling cortana that's why shes behaving like that..

humble yacht
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Smh

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People come up with crazy ideas all the time

rancid jolt
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I still laugh at the idea of Chief waking up still in the dawn it was all a dream xD

gilded mason
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saw a video? can't remember someone posted a comment saying that the Didact might be controlling cortana that's why shes behaving like that..
The simplest explanation is that her mind got messed up by the rampancy and now she basically has a "remixed" personality and viewpoints.

humble yacht
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I laugh at people who want that

rancid jolt
gilded mason
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That ain't canon to Halo

humble yacht
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The 5 stages of rampancy was carried over from Marathon

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It’s not part of halo anymore

rancid jolt
gilded mason
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A lot of stuff

humble yacht
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Not much changed

main rivet
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I wouldn't say it's "not a part of Halo anymore", it was never really that integrated in the first place.

humble yacht
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But since 343 didn’t get the rights to marathon, that stuff changed

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Like the Reclaimers glyph

main rivet
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Like everything about metastability, etc. was basically fans grafting the Marathon rules on Halo, it's not like Halo actually said much about it.

rancid jolt
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in that case I think most of my info on the wiki is up to date. really wish that cutscene from halo 2A about Arbiter referring to chief as a friend is canon.

Unless that still is and whoever said it wasn't got it wrong? idk.

humble yacht
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It’s not

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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That scene doesn’t happen that way in H5

main rivet
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What's really sucky is some of that stuff has ended up in Halo just because devs were lazy or didn't have an internal resource and/or weren't willing to share it with outside parties.

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Halopedia giveth and Halopedia taketh

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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I think that scene was not that great

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They weren’t friends

main rivet
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Well, it's the same issue with Chief and Cortana, really.

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The amount of in-universe time these characters spent together is super short.

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But fans have loved the media, the characters, and the relationships for years.

humble yacht
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Chief and Cortana are friends

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It’s not the amount of time that matters so much as the nature of the relAtionship

main rivet
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Sure, but even in the context of codependent relationship where you're super close to the other person, they've known each other for a few months.

rancid jolt
# humble yacht They weren’t friends

See that's the main problem Halo 3 gave me And I think many people? the feeling that Chief and Arby are actually friends.

But they're really more of allies with respect for each other. Of cause there's lots of videos saying they're friends (based on what they saw in the game)

main rivet
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Arby and Chief must have bonded on the portal trip to the Ark because otherwise they literally only spent days with each other.

humble yacht
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While we don’t know the exact things that happened during that trip, I doubt they bonded to the point of becoming friends

rancid jolt
gilded mason
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one of the only few times he talked to Arby was telling him they're going to light the ring.
That was Spark.

humble yacht
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That wasn’t to Thel

gilded mason
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He only ever told Thel "Worse" in Halo 3

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On-screen

humble yacht
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When Thel asked “how will you light it?”, Chief did not respond

main rivet
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Yeah they don't have much actual interactions. Which is part of the problems with H3's storytelling and I guess the choice to have the Arby and his Elite friends sorta-kinda-not-really be there.

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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He only looked towards high charity

gilded mason
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Yeah, I assume a lot more interactions happened off-screen to consider each other friends later on

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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I doubt there was any deep meaning the writes intended behind chief’s lack of interaction with Thel

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But it actually makes narrative sense

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Chief would have likely still held a grudge over reach

rancid jolt
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I don't know if Arby returns in infinite but maybe chief might Hint him and his relationship with him to bro hammer xD

humble yacht
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Giving Thel the “silent treatment” would be a passive aggressive way of expressing is anger

gilded mason
rancid jolt
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Yes knowing how Thel glassed lots of human worlds.. he also didn't mentioned if he regrets that.. did he?

main rivet
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Well, that's another part of "don't understand the parameters of their relationship"

main rivet
humble yacht
main rivet
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He'd have no idea he was a disgraced commander, certainly during the events of Halo 2.

humble yacht
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And Halsey and Chief had time to chat during first strike

rancid jolt
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The fleet that we see in reach exiting slipspace just after long night of solace is destroyed that was Thel's fleet right?

main rivet
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It's supposed to be, yes/

gilded mason
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Nope

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Really?

humble yacht
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No

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It should have been, but it wasn’t

rancid jolt
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then what fleet was it?

humble yacht
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Some other fleet

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Not Particular Justice

main rivet
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#ReachMakesNoSense, continuing adventures.

slim thorn
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Thel just like having around at least 16 warships on Reach.

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There is another fleet other than Thel's Fleet, though.

rancid jolt
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So Thel was late to the party? wasn't his fleet there at the start? So many illustrations on the fall of reach I don't know which one is the most accurate

gilded mason
humble yacht
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Thel and his fleet are not part of the game Halo Reach

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The game takes place before the novel Fall of Reach

slim thorn
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The advance party was Valiant Prudence

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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Ask halopedia

main rivet
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As far as we know, no.

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Like with a lot of the Covenant encounters stuff though it's pretty muddled with timeframes and such.

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From them being entirely new to humans in 2552 to obviously being there at Harvest.

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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They were already on their way before the LNOS was murked

slim thorn
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Some need a better preparation since they can serve as an assault or invasion fleet that bring the main force rather than advance party.

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Even UNSC takes more time to muster their strength, before AUntie Dot announces their arrivals in two weeks.

main rivet
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(Another kind of ridiculous point, given that Reach is Reach.)

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Gah. Just thinking about it takes me back to 2010 and the piles of salt and frustration that was spilt over the game.

humble yacht
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I thought it was fine

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Benefit of not having read FoR

main rivet
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At least all the stuff that has come out since makes much more sense why they would just ignore TFOR. Although then it makes getting Nylund to try and retcon his own work that much more insulting.

humble yacht
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Marty said in an interview that Bungie for the most part didn’t like other people contributing to their franchise

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So they largely ignored the novels

main rivet
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Yeah, Trautmann went further and said that TFOR only got okayed by Bungie because they needed additional writers to finish the game proper.

humble yacht
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Nylund didn’t contribute to the game, tho

main rivet
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But Trautmann and Microsoft did.

humble yacht
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Who’s that

main rivet
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director of Microsoft's Franchise Development Group at the time.

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He was the one who pushed for the EU in the first place, and he had really nothing great to say about Bungie's conduct.

humble yacht
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I don’t understand what TFOR getting greenlit had to do with the development of the game

main rivet
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Microsoft wanted to make a novel tie-in.

humble yacht
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MS wanted the novel to act as marketing for the game

main rivet
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Bungie didn't want it, because they didn't want, among other things, Chief to have a backstory or character outside the games.

humble yacht
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But it’s not like the novel affected the game developement

main rivet
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But they were crunching hard.

humble yacht
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I know all that

main rivet
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So Trautmann cut a deal where he and other MS members worked on Combat Evolved's script in exchange for Bungie withdrawing their objections.

humble yacht
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Ok

main rivet
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They are the ones who wrote the "this cave is not a natural formation" line, because they were doing it without being able to see the game.

humble yacht
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You got a source on this?

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Sounds interesting

main rivet
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It's from the Vice History of Halo piece and an interview with Trautmann from a now defunct podcast, although you can find rips around.

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He's also been pretty big on dropping tidbits on Twitter.

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Basically Nylund and the Microsoft team are responsible in a lot of ways for tons of Halo that people assume was Bungie (insurrectionists and ODSTs among them.)

rancid jolt
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Chief's homeworld is Eridanus II right? But since he was kidnapped and trained to be a spartan on reach, his ties to reach are closer to him then his actual world? Is that why chief still has a grudge against arbiter?

humble yacht
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Yes

gilded mason
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Is that why chief still has a grudge against arbiter?

The Banished should never have set foot on Reach—and Reach should never have been glassed in the first place. He had met, and even fought beside, too many noble aliens to believe they were all responsible for this entire mess. But those who were here—those he was happy to deal with.

rancid jolt
gilded mason
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Nothing seems to indicate John holds a grudge against Thel specifically

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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That was the point

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That’s the whole theme of the game

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Fleeting hope that is almost immediately lost

rancid jolt
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It was carried out quite well but It would have been cool if you take on the advanced fleet first crippling it thinking you have the upper hand. Right after that Thel's fleet arrives and dwarfs your victory.

humble yacht
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What upper hand

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The whole reason they went with that crazy plan with the slipspace bomb was because they had no other way of dealing with the carrier

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The Savannah was the only ship up there and it was murked

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What did you expect 6 to use to take on a whole covenant fleet? His wits and his reentry pack?

main rivet
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I don't find Reach's approach to that all that effective, because it feels less like escalating odds and more just "gotcha" moments.

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"Oh actually there's a giant ship there! Oh actually there's another fleet!"

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It'd have been one thing if they'd totally retconned the book and done it better, but I think a lot of what's in The Fall of Reach and First Strike is much stronger.

humble yacht
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I’d expect so, given that it’s easier to convey those kind of moments in books where you aren’t trying to balance narrative with gameplay

slim thorn
rancid jolt
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Yes I know reach did that already quite well. Just would have been awesome if it were on a larger scale.

humble yacht
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They wouldn’t have used that same plan against a whole fleet because it would be ineffective against a whole fleet

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They used their one available slipspace drive and a spartan to get rid of one ship.

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When the fleet showed up, plans changed from defense to evacuation

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Because they realized they couldn’t beat a fleet

rancid jolt
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That's understandable it worked beautifully. After that they got demolished.
Was just wondering if key plot points were slightly different would have been even more awesome of capturing the no hope situation.

humble yacht
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You can think about what could’ve been all day and never get an answer

rancid jolt
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Back to actual reach, after all this time I'm still wondering why kat died to 1 needle shot to the head.
I know it's the head weak spot for a human but we're her shields down? Why kat not six for an example or any of the other nobles running?

Is it simply kat was the nearest to that elite?

main rivet
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Her shields are down, yes, presumably because of the EMP. It's not visually made clear, though.

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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Most likely

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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Yep

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Or the elites had already identified her as the intelligence expert of noble team and purposefully eliminated her to cripple their abilities

rancid jolt
humble yacht
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In the opening of The Package, Carter laments on the lack of Kat making their job harder

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It affected their ability

rancid jolt
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Carter showed a rare moment of annoyance also towards Dot.

stable flower
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I like how third-generation MJOLNIR armor can't accept AI.

viscid salmon
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Actually the Kat line came from Jun, but the effect is still the same.

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Several Falcons, one piloted by Carter, fly over Six and towards Sword Base. Six continues to Sword Base's gate.

Carter-A259 (COM): "Noble Team: Falcon group has landed, hostiles engaged. Jun is working on getting the gate open."
Jun-A266 (COM): "Really missing Kat right about now..."

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But I said it before that I liked how Carter had a slow decline in personality over losing his people.

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Hit hard after Jorge, but completely null after Kat

slim thorn
viscid salmon
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Yeah, not the worst decision you could make. But who will give me mid-mission flavor text.

unique rune
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Uh. When was it ever said that GEN3 can't accept AI?

dawn knot
unique rune
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Like. If anything the warnings that pop up on Chief's HMD saying "no AI detected" should tell you that the armor is still designed to work with AI.

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There'd be no reason to warn you about the absence if it wasn't designed for it.

viscid salmon
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Wasn't that a weapon system in his armor?

unique rune
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The more noticeable pop-up says "Weapon containment device inserted" etc. but in one of the previous text scrolls during the boot-up sequence it says "Warning - No AI Detected".

slim thorn
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It was to handle AI intrusion

dawn knot
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They just put one of those dust protectors on the AI shot

slim thorn
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Not to where the AI is installed inside the MJOLNIR

unique rune
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It was to handle AI intrusion
...What was for handling AI intrusion?

viscid salmon
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Accordingto the Halopedia page yes.

slim thorn
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Like the AI hacking your clothes.

viscid salmon
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The SPDR system

slim thorn
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SPDR system was meant to handle AI Intrusion and there were no mention that the suit can be installed with AI to assist the wearer.

unique rune
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Chief's GEN3 armor has SPDR installed as part of intrusion countermeasures but that's not to be taken as "this thing isn't designed to work with AI at all".

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It's "this thing is designed to fight off an AI if necessary".

viscid salmon
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Well we know it can at least definitely store one

unique rune
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Like, why would it even have a compatible chip slot if it wasn't designed to work with AI to some extent?
It'd be a whole lot safer to have an AI stored externally than literally connected to the systems you don't want it to mess with.

viscid salmon
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If AIs were going to be a very real threat, I don't know why a slot would exist.

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AIs like Roland were in the minority.

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It would make sense to me to not have AIs incorporated.

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If Cortana could modulate the Chief's shields or power supply, what else could she do.

dawn knot
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Cause visions

viscid salmon
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Increase his gel layer to freeze him up solid? Maybe cut off his oxygen supply?

viscid salmon
waxen anchor
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There isn’t really a way Chief can win against an AI

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If he was directly facing Cortana, then she could just freeze him like in Halo 5

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If he wasn’t, then the AI could just call in a swarm of whatever and annihilate him

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Chief may be able to out-smart a missile

dawn knot
waxen anchor
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but he can’t out-smart 30 missiles

slim thorn
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SPDR was likely used for containment

viscid salmon
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Oh, I was thinking 5 really.

waxen anchor
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I thought the Halo 3 visions were due to like

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his wonky forerunner genes

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not armor

viscid salmon
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I think I tried to actually block out the 3 sections.

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Did we ever get an actual direct reason for the Cortana Visions?

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I'm only finding reddit threads.

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I've heard theories ranging from the chip was still in his head to the Gravemind messing around.

slim thorn
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Or maybe a fragment of her remains inside the chip.

terse lava
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Likely just gravemind BS back then, now a days known as neural physics

main rivet
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Whether the "modern" Flood actually has access to neural physics seems unclear and/or unlikely.

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It's possible we've never seen the outbreak get big enough to the point they start slinging star roads, but it might be beyond the Flood at this point.

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We don't really know what it was other than it's not (or not _merely) telepathy since it actually affects Chief's vitals and/or armor.

unborn osprey
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is there any backstory or lore for srgnt stacker?

slim thorn
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I don't think so, could be the same for the Legendary Marine, Chips Dubbo, though.

unborn osprey
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huh.. intresting.. I thought he'd have some lore considering hes important enough to have a voice pack in reach

#

they should have added a dubbo voice pack

slim thorn
#

Yeah, I think so, too. Dubbo is a legend that can match 117 after all.

unborn osprey
#

ye

stable flower
#

Paolo J. Jimenez is the new Dustin Echoes

ripe crow
#

Oh I just realized tartarus is macabeus’s nephew

#

It’s funny seeing a jerk like him be so humble

rancid jolt
#

Was there any human world that went unharmed during the human-covenant war? Like wasn't discovered thus wasn't glassed?

gilded mason
#

Yeah, a couple dozen

rancid jolt
gilded mason
#

I assume they knew. And everyone was basically helping in any way they could

rancid jolt
#

Despite that humanity was extremely close to defeat.

gilded mason
#

Yes.

#

There was no path for humanity to not be defeated, outside of things like the Schism

rancid jolt
#

Was mainly still and unprovoked attack we didn't even know the they existed. This war started because the prophets liked to everyone bunch of idiots...

uneven lion
#

Question: What happened to the insurgents during the Created conflict?

humble yacht
#

They don’t like the created any more than the UNSC

#

Well, except for Sloan

versed helm
#

what exactly is the halo iceberg thing?

humble yacht
#

context?

versed helm
#

An iceberg is like a little leveling system where lesser known and darker things are put more lower

#

Like oddities and what not

#

The things that are mostly known are at the top, and things that are least known or barely even have anything to them that is known is at the bottom

#

Ex: ghost of halo 2 and 3 and the monkey family from halo 3

#

You can find like 3 halo icebergs on reddit

#

What solar system is reach in

humble yacht
#

i think halopedia knows

rancid jolt
versed helm
#

Wow fancy name

#

Lowre

viscid salmon
# versed helm Wow fancy name

Not very far away from us. Only about 11 light years. You can see her at night pretty easily. She's a little baby star too, not even a billion years old.

#

Whenever you see a name like Epsilon Eridani, you can actually tell a little bit about where it is. Epsilon relates to how bright the star is, and Eridani means that it's in the constellation Eridanus.

agile plinth
#

Doing a massive reread for Infinite's launch this year and it's awesome. I really like how scifi everything is and then you can dip back to the Forerunner trilogy and it goes pretty hard fantasy.

stable flower
#

I'm glad the innies have something worse than the government to rebel against.

rancid jolt
#

Would love to see more lore about sadie and mike if they got together or not. i know sadie is on infinity as Vergil's handler.

versed helm
#

Or how about this, what if the Museum of Humanity is on Reach

dawn knot
#

You can see noble 6 alive in the emergency exit

rancid jolt
#

Arbiter wiki page there's a tag under Meeting an old friend. referring to chief.

dawn knot
#

Probably referring to the h2a cutscene, which is non-canon

versed helm
#

Is it possible that Noble Six's helmet might be in the Museum of Humanity, if someone managed to find it at some point after Reach was recolonized

#

Also, is it possible that they might've use Forerunner technology to make Reach habitable again?

craggy sierra
#

What?

#

Recolonization efforts are underway on reach right now in the universe

#

Literally a book released within the last year had a large focus on that

versed helm
#

I know that but I mean by 2589

craggy sierra
#

What forerunner tech would they use?

#

You can't just snap your fingers and say "forerunner tech" as writing bs for "magically make things better". What forerunner tech would they use specifically to help recolonization reach? Most processes for fixing it just involve blasting the crap out of it to clear away glass and gain access to topsoil.

dawn knot
#

What if people find noble six survived

#

But he was killed by a moa

versed helm
#

Yeah, that is true

#

And let me guess, the UNSC still hasn't figured out how to reverse engineer nanolaminate hull plating yet?

carmine sleet
#

I don't see how that links into what Waffle was saying

versed helm
#

Sorry, getting off track

#

But yeah, what Waffle said is correct

carmine sleet
#

Also like, while 343i could easily say there is some Forerunner tech that can help with terraforming, like Waffle said, it would basically be writing BS to avoid actually showing that a planet being glassed is not something that's easily fixed

versed helm
#

True

#

I wonder how long it would take for them to de-glass Meridian

#

Decades maybe?

slim thorn
#

Environmental damage takes years or even decades to heal. You need to make sure the soil cools down before it can regenerates. Same like when we're facing burn injury.

dusty prawn
cobalt python
#

Why couldnt the covenant just absolutely smash humanity? they had technology for thousands of years and humanity still survived and won the war

craggy sierra
#

They did smash us

#

Humanity basically never won the war. The elites won it for us cause of the schism.

versed helm
cobalt python
craggy sierra
#

What?

#

They literally destroyed hundreds of our planets and colonies

slim thorn
craggy sierra
#

To the covenant reach wasn't anything but another stop on their warpath

versed helm
#

Muh 300 spartans

cobalt python
slim thorn
craggy sierra
#

Humanity entered the war with a population of 39 billion and left it with a population of 16 billion

versed helm
#

Math

craggy sierra
#

Something like 800 colonies and planets fell to the covenant during the war

versed helm
#

Rip bozo

craggy sierra
#

Guess how many of their things we took down. 0.

versed helm
#

😐

cobalt python
#

I need answers

versed helm
#

No.

cobalt python
#

awwwww

last anchor
#

`

#

Hang on I didnt @ did I?

versed helm
#

Probably

cobalt python
#

the started with about 50 billion and left with like 25 billion or 21 billion killed. Somewhere in that range

last anchor
#

That hasn't been canon since that idiot teenager thought it would be cool to make it up, and the savage fan-beating and actual physical beating he got for being "a book nerd" was well deserved.

cobalt python
#

you must be a joy to be around

last anchor
#

Theres a reason he tried to come back on tiktok, to attempt to relive his "former glory", only to find out that the only people there were the same who smashed him flat in the first place.

#

(Makes hand motion like Thanos)
"This is Lore and Universe. This is MY realm. It is what it is."

last anchor
versed helm
#

No such things as war crimes in a ethnic slaughter lol

cobalt python
#

Lol lets blame the UNSC for warcrimes

versed helm
#

Covenant don't even know what Geneva convention is

last anchor
#

If it is or is not depends on when the message went off, because Grey Team detonated it AFTER the cease-fire had been signed.
Thats where the main issue comes through.
But considering how many colonies humanity lost, I'd say one Sangheili colony turned to an asteroid field is write-offable.

cobalt python
#

ohhhh

versed helm
#

Owned

cobalt python
#

i though it was destroyed during the war

last anchor
#

Technically was, technically wasn't.
Grey was on shadow deployment, heard that earth was under attack (the events of Halo 2) and detonated the bomb following contingency orders.
Read Halo Envoy. It'll make sense

versed helm
#

Gonna read everything but that and return knowing more.

cobalt python
#

Emile could have given the detnater to a marine and jumped off the ship with noble six

versed helm
#

Marine most likely would've died

cobalt python
#

?

#

Marines were still alive by the time of the detonation. They just had no way off the ship

#

but emile and six had re entry packs

versed helm
#

Not until I shoot them

cobalt python
#

Emiles a little dumb

versed helm
#

I hated Emile more than Kat

unique rune
#

Uh, yeah, no, in the cutscene before Jorge tosses B312 out of the Ardent Prayer, there aren’t any soldiers present. So I’m pretty sure the intent is that they were all killed in the process of taking the Prayer’s bridge, leaving 052 and B312 as the only remaining UNSC personnel on board.

viscid salmon
versed helm
#

Didn't it say that Tribute wasn't thoroughly glassed and the battle essentially stopped when the Great Schism broke out?

viscid salmon
#

It's down and to the right of Orion slightly.

versed helm
#

Also, does the UNSC still rely on the Geneva Convention and the Hague Conventions?

viscid salmon
#

Well outside of a line of dialogue...

last anchor
#

Presumably, no

#

Considering they nuked an entire rebelling colony into the ground (Far Isle)

viscid salmon
#

Besides, the conventions don't apply to aliens.

last anchor
#

It also doesnt apply to stuff like aliens since they A) didnt sign it and B) probably were very interested in burning Geneva alongside the rest of Earth.

#

Yeah.

#

They wouldnt respect any requests we put forth for them anyway, they want us dead religiously.

viscid salmon
#

There are many many warcrimea committed on both sides of the fight involving Humans.

#

Lying to commit a suckerpunch, false surrender

#

The aforementioned nuking.

#

According to the little news slips that came with the Reach special edition, an arcology got bombed, 2 million dead

versed helm
#

Ez

last anchor
#

The Innies had no qualms about doing whatever it took to get their point across.
Nuking said arcology, blowing up a passanger liner in orbit
Bunch of other stuff.
Literally taking Eridanus II from the UNSC at least once

#

(Shakes fists at Watts)

last anchor
viscid salmon
#

I believe that was the case. Against the stolen ship.

#

War crime.

last anchor
#

Ye.
Ultimate chad Cole moment XD

#

But yes very very much a war crime

#

Even he admits it.

viscid salmon
#

I mean sheer brilliance yeah

#

But legally iffy

versed helm
#

I still wonder became of Admiral Cole in the aftermath of the Battle of Psi Serpentis

viscid salmon
#

Oh he's out there

versed helm
#

Planning

viscid salmon
#

I should say it's statistically likely.

versed helm
#

He was ready for the banished

viscid salmon
#

Whenever he ended up though, I wonder if he will be pressed out of retirement.

versed helm
#

So how many other high ranking UNSC personnel could be part of the NCA besides that Mattius Drake dude

viscid salmon
#

He would be well into his 80s

#

Probably 90s by the time infinite takes place.

versed helm
#

Or probably dead

viscid salmon
#

Maybe. Maybe he is dead. 90 is no joke.

#

Though you would think people would live a bit longer 500 years in the future.

#

Then again... that's 90 chronologically.

stable flower
#

I was thinking the UNSC should reestablish the CMA

versed helm
#

☕

viscid salmon
#

If it weren't for upgrades Forerunner drives on starship I'd day I'd be 100 percent for that idea

#

Takes way shorter to get out there now.

#

So the UNSC could have a direct presence in the colonies.

#

A New CMA would probably feel nicer for people. Like they have independence.

versed helm
#

Maybe he found a planet where he could spend the rest of his days with his Innie wife

#

Like colonial autonomy or whatever Jorge said

#

He died old with a moa farm with 20000 moas

cobalt python
#

The moas rose up against him in a innsurection

versed helm
#

Moa uprising

#

Sounds like a mod that replaces all enemies with moas that have rocket launchers in Reach

half meteor
#

Is that why we cooked em itno Moa burgers? Because of the revolution?

versed helm
#

sighs

#

SIGHS YELLS

half meteor
#

relaxxxxx

#

what did I miss sum?

versed helm
#

Not much

#

Hopefully

half meteor
#

"Hopefully" he says

#

I hope not

versed helm
#

"Hopefully" I say

half meteor
#

lol

cobalt python
#

The moas want to wipe out humanity

last anchor
vocal aspen
#

Are all Spartans infertile?

steep ether
#

no

#

dont mind the long link

craggy tendon
#

ive saw some comments on yt about this, and i haven't heard about it before, is it true that the scarabs are controlled by the lekgolo?

gilded mason
#

Yes

craggy tendon
#

i can't believe i never knew that

terse lava
#

Only certain variations, think the h2 version is fully mechanical

versed helm
#

Did anyone else survive halo ce?

terse lava
#

Chief, Johnson, Linda, handful of marines, and an ONI agent

versed helm
#

The only one i didn't know was the oni agent

carmine sleet
#

He dies later to help Blue Team escape from the Uneven Elephant by distracting the Covenant fleet that was amassing there

#

Alongside Admiral Whitcomb

waxen anchor
#

Unyielding* @carmine sleet

#

Hierophant

#

You massacred it lmao

#

To be fair its a really weird name

fringe robin
#

it was done on purpose lol

unique rune
#

I mean, that was Johnson's nickname for it.

waxen anchor
#

The covenant and their names

#

Anyone here read the Kilo 5 trilogy?

gaunt smelt
#

Uneven elephant

carmine sleet
waxen anchor
#

Fair enough

#

Do we have any actual lists of AI’s that are still humanity-loyal after H5?

gilded mason
#

Think we only know of Roland so far.

waxen anchor
#

What about Black Box?

#

Would he be rampant by then…?

gaunt smelt
#

black box

waxen anchor
#

It’s really weird to think about all the AI’s in Halo and not know whether they’re evil or not

gaunt smelt
#

Yea

waxen anchor
#

Like

#

I can’t imagine BB betraying Osman

#

but

gaunt smelt
#

I think ik why roland didn’t defect to the created

waxen anchor
#

Why?

versed helm
#

Was 343 the one to invent the whole “rampancy” thing or did bungie make it in expanded lore?

gaunt smelt
#

Bungie

#

7 years

waxen anchor
#

^

gaunt smelt
#

Its even in the fall of reach (first piece of halo media)

versed helm
#

Honestly I don’t like that but at the same time it would be weird to think AIs can live forever

gaunt smelt
#

Well the sort of can

#

There is the concept of severing useless neural links

waxen anchor
#

I mean

#

They can live forever

#

But they get all supervillain-y

#

so, pros and cons

gaunt smelt
carmine sleet
#

Black Box is potentially dead

#

We're not certain of their fate

terse lava
#

Don't worry, if he's dead, he'll come back at some point

slim thorn
#

Black Box was evacuated with Hood and Osman.

gilded mason
#

Yeah, though the short story ended with Osman in the middle of making a certain decision.

humble yacht
#

Typically AI are terminated before naturally dying from rampancy because they become dangerous while rampant

#

It’s kinda like rabies. It kills you on its own eventually but while you’re rabid, you can hurt others

craggy tendon
#

never seen someone use rabies as an analogy

#

it works

humble yacht
#

Now you have

craggy tendon
#

yep

humble yacht
#

Now use scabies as an analogy

craggy tendon
#

how is it that the carbine has a "magazine" or plasma case without it burning up

humble yacht
#

The rounds are radioactive but not necessarily hot

craggy tendon
#

ah

#

thx

slim thorn
#

Serina is one of the case, though. As she let the Flood on the loose before she awakes Jerome and Anders to contain it. Once done, she start to terminate herself.

humble yacht
#

Serina is an example of why rampant AI can cause harm if left to die naturally

#

When she noticed this, she terminated herself

main rivet
#

And she wasn't actively malevolent, she just wasn't focused on a problem and that caused it to spiral out of control.

waxen anchor
#

How did the flood get released?

#

Where’s the lore on that?

#

Like within the SoF

gilded mason
#

In the SoF, I assume it was simply a matter of some infection forms hiding away in the nooks and crannies of the ship

waxen anchor
#

hm, okay

humble yacht
#

Serina had the opportunity to kill it but instead let it live to study it

#

This led to it infecting other people, and serina had to get Anders and Jerome to clean up her mess

versed helm
#

Darn it, Serina

#

Also darn it penagent tangent (don’t know how to spell)

humble yacht
#

Penitent tangent had nothing to do with the flood on SoF

versed helm
#

I mean he is the reason an outbreak happened and spread right?

humble yacht
#

Different outbreak

#

And he was just lazy and didn’t do his job

#

He didn’t directly cause it

versed helm
#

Wow there are multiple outbreaks…

slim thorn
#

Penitent Tangent is lazy to do his job, so when the Flood is about to breakout, he barely able to set up containment field with the price of getting himself captured.

delicate notch
#

Would the flood dissolve after the human take the mantel?

gilded mason
#

What

delicate notch
#

The precursor wanted the humans to take the mantel, the forerunners wanted the mantel and annihilated the precursors. The precursors went to "sleep". The humans awoke the flood, and then when into another somewhat forerunner/human war. What if all of halo was a "gotcha" to show that the humans deserved the mantel over the forerunners. I mean, what is a couple of million of years to the precursors.

unique rune
#

Sounds... contrived.

gilded mason
#

The Gravemind has since said he just wants everyone to endlessly suffer, so I doubt something as horrible as humanity attempting to take up the Mantle will make the Flood stop.

delicate notch
#

I doubt the gravemind is more than the nessecery evil

gilded mason
#

That isn't really supported at all

delicate notch
#

@gilded mason sure, I know. But it would be pretty boring if it ended like everyone wants it to

gilded mason
#

And, like, humanity actually taking up the Mantle would be pretty awful

delicate notch
#

I'd never said they would, just that it would jave shown the forerunners that the humans deserved it over them.

#

I don't want a happy ending, just a good ending.

#

If humans win the story would never end.

fair hazel
dawn knot
#

Well now...

unique rune
#

pregananant tangenanant

versed helm
dawn knot
#

How fast can a sentinel factory spit out sentinels

craggy sierra
#

There's no singular finite endpoint where you can just safely say "that's it guys, Halo's over"

gilded mason
#

Obviously it's when John dies/retires. Who can even imagine the series going on without him! 😩

craggy sierra
#

You can have stories in the universe end and reach conclusions but that wouldn't end the universe itself unless the universe itself literally gets apocalypsed.

#

Which, we're a very very very long ways away from the setting being drained of its value to warrant that.

gaunt smelt
broken gorge
#

same

hasty geyser
#

Did Thel, Johnson, Miranda and co. return to Earth on one of Rtas' ships, or did more UNSC forces come to I-05 to rescue them?

tepid vault
#

I don’t think anyone wants to stay and wait for another ship on there, but I have no idea

slim thorn
#

There are some UNSC ships aside of In Amber Clad, but if they do arrive by the moment the conflict of Installation 05 ends (After Tartarus was killed), they could extract Miranda and her gang out to Earth.

rain imp
#

I would have thought they grabbed a lift with Shadow of Intent.

carmine sleet
#

Shadow of Intent didn't arrive at Earth until the events of Halo 3. Either a UNSC ship took Miranda, Johnson and Thel to Earth, or a Covenant Separatist ship

rain imp
#

Then I can imagine the Fleet of Retribution probably gave them a vessel to get back while the fleet itself stayed to deal with High Charity, etc.

#

Wasn't there a video called The Long Road Home or something? I thought it explained it in there. It's been years since I saw it though.

humble yacht
#

All it said was that Arbiter, Johnson, and Miranda “raced” back to earth to find the Ark.

rain imp
#

ah fair enough. One can assume then that they found a ship, or were given one. 🙂

stable flower
#

I'm surprised they still haven't shown how they got back

slim thorn
#

It remains unknown how did they return to the Earth, which creates a bunch of theory

#

Either they hitchiking a ride with one of the FoR's ship, or they found one of UNSC ship that arrives just in time. Unless all of them are aboard Dusk, but I think it will be nonsense.

carmine sleet
#

FoR?

#

Because if you're referring to anything from Fall of Reach, that's not what the discussion is about

hasty geyser
#

Fleet of Retribution, presumably

slim thorn
#

Fleet of Retribution

#

I'm talking about theories of Miranda and her gang manages to return to Earth

carmine sleet
#

Ah, got ya, forgot that was the name of the fleet, my bad

#

In other news, just finished Shadows of Reach, definitely an enjoyable read

main rivet
#

It's always kind of funny to emphasize they "raced" to Earth when Truth took his sweet time getting there.

humble yacht
#

yea i don't really understand why truth didn't land immediately

carmine sleet
#

Maybe they decided to hold a party on the ship for a while?

#

Like one big rave filled with glow sticks and techno music

humble yacht
#

i don't think the covenant would have allowed techno music on High Charity

#

the prophets have a strict hymns only rule

#

that's why some covies had to take over the nightclub at New Alexandria, so they could dance freely

carmine sleet
#

To be fair, the Forerunner Dreadnaught was not in High Charity at that point

#

Also fair point

ashen rivet
#

i don’t think covies really listen the same music as us

fringe kindle
#

Bit of a random question but Do Brutes Eat Vegetables and Fruit?

humble yacht
#

no i think they're strictly carnivorous

versed helm
#

Brutes eat anything with flesh, pretty sure they wanted to eat the arbiter

humble yacht
#

elites on the other hand are omnivores, like humans

versed helm
#

Elites are cool

humble yacht
#

meh

#

they're ok

fringe kindle
#

Thank you People

versed helm
#

You like brutes more?

ashen rivet
#

even tartarus had a pauldron with a sangheili skull

rancid jolt
#

What's the reason behind Unggoy being so cowardly? Halopedia's wiki page didn't mention anything about that.

ashen rivet
#

do elites actually have a hud?

gilded mason
#

Yeah

#

Some book scenes from Elite PoV make note of it

ashen rivet
#

Which book?

gilded mason
#

The one I remember for sure is Shadow of Intent. Rtas talks about seeing movement on his motion tracker

dawn knot
ashen rivet
#

ohh

ashen rivet
#

like bunnies

dawn knot
#

Yeah

ashen rivet
#

they can populate an entire planet in like a month or two

dawn knot
#

That fast?

carmine sleet
#

That sounds like an exaggeration

#

Like if that was the case with the aforementioned comparison to bunnies, surely bunnies would've (Rightfully) overwhelmed us by now? Regardless of the fact that some are killed for food and whatnot

ashen rivet
#

they have overpopulation problems

fair hazel
#

Isn't it only one kind of bunnies? Not all?

limber grove
#

how do Sangheli reproduce?

gilded mason
#

Eggs come out

limber grove
#

eggs

#

thats fishy

terse lava
#

While I don't think we are told how long nReth was working on his Unggoy army in Cole Protocol, he had hundreds of thousands by 2536

#

So they an reproduce quite well

rancid jolt
dawn knot
#

Not the adults

#

Just the average grunt you see In the games

rancid jolt
#

We're killing children? so what are adult grunts like?

dawn knot
#

I don't really know that part

rancid jolt
#

Where in the books or games does it mention the grunts are 5 years old?

unique rune
#

Adulthood is reached between the ages of 5 and 8 years.
Apparently Legacy of Onyx mentions it somewhere. Unfortunately I don't have a copy on hand to verify.

rancid jolt
#

But that still dones't answer why they are so cowardly is it simply their nature?

unique rune
#

I mean, Balaho wasn't exactly the most hospitable planet to live on, and they were pretty much always trampled on and looked down upon by other Covenant client species.

#

If cowardice saves their hides so they live another day, maybe not the worst trade-off.

terse lava
#

Legacy of Onyx said that one particular Unggoy was 5 years old and considered a teen by her standards. Don't recall anything saying the Unggoy we face in game are anything but adults

rancid jolt
stable flower
#

The Gao Republic is interesting. The idea of an independent colony having it's own domestic weapons, military, and even it's own equivalent to UNSC ODSTs is unique. I hope it's explored more.

agile plinth
#

First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx kinda overlap time wise, right?

fair hazel
#

The main narrative? No, first strike is before ghost of onyux

viscid salmon
#

It's actually kind of interesting to see how the outer colonies fragment and make their own little mini empires.

waxen anchor
#

I really, really want an innie game

craggy sierra
#

I'd rather an outie game tbh

waxen anchor
ashen rivet
dawn knot
#

Teen-Adult

ashen rivet
#

young adults?

dawn knot
#

Yes

slim thorn
#

I recall that Forerunner is using Stasis in lieu for cryosleep, is it true?

flint trellis
#

Thoughts on parallel realities, and infinite universes where master chief meets himeself?

craggy sierra
#

Terrible

versed helm
#

Very stupid

unique rune
#

Sounds... rather uninteresting.

humble yacht
#

sounds like an excuse to not commit to story decisions

versed helm
#

Just another spiderverse knockoff

vocal aspen
#

If Chief met himself from another parallel universe that would be very stupid

carmine sleet
#

Halo hasn't got anywhere near the history that Marvel Comics has to even try a multiverse story like that

meager nymph
#

That is true

last anchor
#

Every Chief from every universe is just Chief.
Its four identical Chiefs standing in the same room.

humble yacht
#

So, it’s co op

versed helm
#

Chief is just a schizo imaging others of him

dusty prawn
unique rune
#

Interesting.
Much appreciated.

prime glen
#

Just an idea but who’s like an MIB and halo crossover?

viscid salmon
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I think multiverse theory is fascinating, especially using some for energy.

slim thorn
waxen anchor
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I mean

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it would be difficult

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Given that the whole concept of MiB is aliens are secret

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and in Halo they... aren't

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I mean could be like

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"Hi im apart of ONI"

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"Hi im apart of MiB"

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[they rush to mind erase the other]

slim thorn
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You know what? ONI could ask MiB to do "dirty work"

agile lotus
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I'd honestly be fine with Henry (the Elite from Mona Lisa) appearing in future content.

humble yacht
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he ded

agile lotus
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Unfortunate.

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Still, refer to my prior statement.

agile plinth
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What are y'all's thoughts on Broken Circle?

humble yacht
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Ostral likes it uny

gilded mason
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Yup

terse lava
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Agreed, best book by far

hushed pilot
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What’s the explanation for forerunners change of art style

craggy sierra
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Different planet

ashen rivet
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btw nice clone wars anakin pfp

versed helm
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Which Halo installation did Mendicant Bias test fire in the star system that Charum Hakkor is in?

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Wasn't it Zeta Halo?

fair hazel
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Yes

versed helm
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Alright, just checking

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I was actually thinking of how Faun Hakkor became a lifeless wasteland after MB test fired Zeta Halo

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Wish we could learn more about that planet besides what we already have on it

limpid meadow
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Maybe. Whether Henry, Lopez, or neither survived remains unconfirmed. Likely dead, but 343 could always decide one of them survived.

steel stone
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Halo artstyle is very weird, reach was more grounded while 5 has ninjas everywhere.

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Forerunner stuff is so bright now. It has beautiful scope now but that seem to be the only thing we see in 4 and 5

craggy sierra
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Hi sir welcome to video games, you must be new here

steel stone
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Ive been here for ages honestly.

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I learned that Spartan numbers like 117 are not counting how many Spartans there actually are.

gilded mason
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Yeah, they're all numbered based on order of discovery back when there was funding for 150 Spartans

craggy sierra
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I mostly meant that comment with regards to the art style changes

steel stone
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I was looking at the comic and there were so many Spartans IIs defending generators

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What was the importance of defending the generators again?

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I think at that time the planet was falling apart.

gilded mason
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Because they powered the MAC guns in orbit

steel stone
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Mac gun? like the one from Tip of the Spear ending part?

gilded mason
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Like Cairo Station in Halo 2

steel stone
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Thats a cool reference

gilded mason
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It's more just a general universe thing

steel stone
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So they needed the generators to use the Mac?

gilded mason
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Yes

steel stone
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Pretty much like a last defense thing.

gilded mason
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Might as well be the only defense

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It's their best chance at repelling ships

steel stone
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What happen to the Spartans defending those generators I never got to see what happen after.

gilded mason
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Most died

steel stone
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Yeah, I saw alot of Reach Zealots I would be very done as well.

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I was talking about the artstyle as well. What is up with that? I know it cant stay the same but it changes so much.

gilded mason
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It's what happens when a new company takes over

steel stone
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I wonder how Halo 4 would of looked it looked like Halo 3

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I can see a mod for that in the future.

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Many people have talked about the covenant how its the same but just in another artstyle.

prime glen
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Aliens caused a time rift like in mk

hushed pilot
pulsar grail
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it got blown up so badly it switched art styles

ashen rivet
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maybe those two are just exceptions, maybe is artistical liberty

hushed pilot
unique rune
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I wonder how Halo 4 would of looked it looked like Halo 3
That sounds awful

gloomy gorge
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some trailers are

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like Deliver Hope is but it's not on reach

humble yacht
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no, they're meant as promos mostly.

gloomy gorge
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I think it's on Madrigal, it's how Noble team lost the original noble 6

humble yacht
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you really think the trailer would sound better if it was like "This is Jun-A266; the second-best Spartan sniper"

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not anymore

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well, it's no longer canon that only 6 and "one other spartan" are hyper lethal

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besides, that was also just marketing to make 6 seem more cool so people would be excited to play as him

ashen rivet
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he is not canon

carmine sleet
ashen rivet
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wut

humble yacht
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yep. it's in the Spartan Field Guide

ashen rivet
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show me

humble yacht
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buy it and read it yourself

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Jun did not escort Halsey off planet

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he took her to somewhere else, presumably CASTLE base

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both Halo reach and First Strike are canon, any inconsistencies have been explained away

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whether those explanations are satisfying is up to you

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try halopedia

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you also asked "which one is canon"

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so i answered

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You asked, I answered

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can't help if you don't like the answer

obsidian thistle
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There is no answer to what happened to Jun. Its a loose thread. All we know is they separated and Jun survived somehow.

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That and 343i honestly respect "A Fistful of Arrrows" a lot. And while that isnt canon its the most you will have for a long time.

ashen rivet
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i wonder how buck escaped/survived reach

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Depends on the versions of the books

humble yacht
obsidian thistle
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Well it was a almost direct haul from Reach to Earth if Halo: New Blood is accurate (Buck isnt exactly the most safe narrator in that thing lol)

humble yacht
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he clicked his heels together 3 times and said "there's no place like earth"

obsidian thistle
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Reach fell and he was on his way to the Battle for Earth.

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The Rookie joining up enroute

royal sundial
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Sorry for the confusion I wasn't trying to deny anyone's answer I was trying to seek clarification but I'm not good at expressing my thoughts and I'm bad at communication.

obsidian thistle
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But honestly it doesnt answer much lol

ashen rivet
obsidian thistle
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The Pre-mission evals do that cause they didnt use the actors.

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So glad we archived those cause oh wow they were "lost" for 4 years.

spiral jewel
carmine sleet
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Nothing in either of those indicate anything about how the two got separated

humble yacht
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jun isn't mentioned in either novel

carmine sleet
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Even in the rereleases, there's no mention

spiral jewel
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Both are valid points...

humble yacht
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both of those novels predate Jun's advent into canon, at the time of those novels, the fall of reach was still a day-long event

spiral jewel
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Perhaps a new rerelese could fix that issue?

This is one mystery that I feel like it hurts everyone's brains trying to solve

royal sundial
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Jun just peaced out after he escorted Halsey to Castle base

carmine sleet
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Doesn't really hurt mine. He got separated from halsey at some point and made his own way off Reach. Honestly just don't need more details

humble yacht
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more details would be nice but it doesn't break my brain to just fill in the blanks with "this happened"

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it's not beyond the scope of belief that he could evacuate the planet on his own somehow

royal sundial
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It's possible after Jun escorted Halsey to Castle base he was there for a little while until the other Oni Personell decided to leave Reach, and that's when Halsey decided to stay behind to activate the failsafe

craggy sierra
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Failsafe?

humble yacht
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probably referring to when they buried the forerunner object and her lab

royal sundial
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Halsey said she elected to stay behind and ensure the covenant get didn't get ahold of Oni secrets by destroying the base if she needed to, I just forgot what words she used

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“I volunteered to be the fail-safe option,” she told Kelly. “In the lower levels of these caverns are enough high explosives to level the facility—in case we were ever overrun by the enemy. I’m here to make sure no one gets access to our technology.”- Halsey, Halo First Strike

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I loved First Strike, maybe moreso than Fall of Reach which I also loved.

I tried to read The Flood and I just couldn't get into the writing style.

I'm going to read The Halo Graphic Novel and Ghost of Onyx next, I'm reading/watching Halo Transmedia in release order

humble yacht
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The Flood was written by someone else, not surprising you noticed a difference in writing style

royal sundial
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Yeah Diets I believe

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I don't think it's bad btw it just doesn't appeal to me, but hopefully I can try to return to it eventually

humble yacht
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iirc the author of The Flood is former military themselves, and wrote Chief in a style influenced by their own military experience

stable flower
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Didn't know that

royal sundial
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Interesting, one person with military background and the other with a a graduate degree in chemistry, no wonder they're so different

graceful gyro
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How long do jackals live?

devout abyss
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what is the best Halo book?

gilded mason
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Pretty subjective. Though mine is Broken Circle

fair hazel
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It’s subjective ness

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My favourite are silentium and legacy of onyx

viscid salmon
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A limited number of troops and supplies means coordination and tactical movement around the ring.

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A proper military operation.

slim thorn
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And lesser troops often more effective at Guerrilla Warfare if played correctly

viscid salmon
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Dietz wrote fun rolling thunder scenes.

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Taking autocannons off the autumn and using it for basic anti-air. Mmmm

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I think I'd enjoy the Flood more going back now.

coarse wadi
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Do ODST units still exist? Or have they been fazed out?

slim thorn
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ODST units still exist, but their existence may enter a decline after S-IV program opens for volunteers and those who are recommended by UNSC Command to join the program.

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Even Alpha-Nine receives an "upgrade" from ODST to Spartan-IV

humble yacht
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Not every odst gets to become a spartan vi

slim thorn
unique rune
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There's tens of thousands of ODSTs, it'd be a really weird and boneheaded move to phase them out after the Spartan-IV program only numbering somewhere in the few hundreds.

I seriously doubt there'd be any significant decline in their numbers either.

coarse wadi
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I wonder what they look like now? Or has there uniform even changed

unique rune
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There's some concept art from Halo 5 for ODSTs that might give some idea of what they would have looked like, but otherwise I don't think there's anything to suggest their gear has changed much.

humble yacht
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Which is why ODSTs were salty at Spartans from the beginning

terse lava
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That and John killing ODST who were sent to fight him when he was a teen after g we thing augmented

livid current
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What is the average life span of a human and elite?

gilded mason
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For humans, around 80-100

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For Elites, we do not know, but we do know that there are those that live to 200+ and are still active

humble yacht
stable flower
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I don't think they were sent. They picked a fight with him due to the inter-service rivalry with the Spartans.

humble yacht
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Huh? The Spartans hadn’t been deployed in the field yet

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This was fresh after augmentations while they were still in training

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No, they were 100% sent to test the Spartans post augmentation

stable flower
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Wow. I can't believe the UNSC would do that to their soldiers.

fair hazel
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You can't? Really?

terse lava
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To be frank not sure how public it was to the ODST branch at large. Thr guys sent in thoufh were apparently under Silva's command.

viscid salmon
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They belonged to him back then

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I don't have the book with me on hand.

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Huh. Found my copy of Legacy of Onyx while looking. Need to read that

limpid meadow
limpid meadow
stable flower
humble yacht
limpid meadow
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Not directly, though that may have been an indirect contribution. Mostly it seemed to be a perception about Spartans being given special treatment, like they were nosing in on the ODST's territory.

humble yacht
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Yeah, that was the impression I got

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^ ODSTs

cobalt quiver
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Is it explained why Chief was in the pod in the pillar of autumn?

carmine sleet
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He was in cryosleep because the journey through slipspace, especially on UNSC ships can potentially take months. More recent advancements in post war no doubt has made the length of time travelling through slipspace shorter but even still, cryosleep is still important

slim thorn
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Oh yeah, not to mention the situation at SoF can serve as a good example. They've been sleeping for 28 years (Except for Engineers that runs routine maintenance and those who are abruptly awakened due to Flood infestation aboard SoF).

versed helm
carmine sleet
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Didn't need to tag me

slim thorn
slim thorn
main rivet
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It'd be kind of nice to see some trips in the "modern era" actually account for cryosleep again. I get that at least the top military can zip around to a lot of stuff in days, but especially when you consider that the "cost" of a cryosleeped individual has got to be lower than one sitting around eating food, you'd probably still want nonessential personnel frozen to some degree.

slim thorn
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If you think about long-term voyage, the first thing is how to produce nitrogen without needing to return to the base

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Because the crew are supplied with nitrogen to keep them frozen when asleep.

viscid salmon
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If you ain't plot-critical you go in the freezer.

main rivet
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Crappiest unexpected ways to go in Halo: tossup between getting immediately assimilated by a Flood infection form waking from cryo, or the guy who drowned in the shower in zero-G.

undone cobalt
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Someone came up with an interesting idea as to why MJOLNIR Mk. V armor is making another appearance in Halo: Infinite.

They basically said that Spartans mat be switching back to old tech due to the fact it didn't have AI integration like later variants did. Basically so that the suits can't be hijacked by rogue AI.

Whether that's actually a plot point or not in game, who knows, but it'd be a cool way to bring back Mk. V in a lore abiding way.

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(It should be noted that I believe Noble's style armor was different from Chief's Mk. V he wears in CE since they're Spartan IIIs. And that's the style we see featured.

main rivet
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That would suppose that the early MkVs don't support AIs. Obviously Reach retconned a lot, but given that shields and the AI were basically the major features of MkV that seems a bit weird.

undone cobalt
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I don't think they were in Spartan III's armor considering they're more expendable than Spartan II's. Otherwise you think Halsey would've given 6 Cortana's chip to put in their helmet and not in a containment unit on their back.

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It would be a cool plot point tho.

limpid meadow
limpid meadow
undone cobalt
gilded mason
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It'd be as arbitrary as an other armor design that's ever been in the games, so I don't see it as a big deal, unless they look bad.

unique rune
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I’ve never really liked the idea of using older armor because it’s for whatever reason more “AI resistant”. Just feels... maybe a little convoluted? Like it’s still a computerized system which’ll leave it vulnerable to some extent. If they’re really set on bringing back old armor I’d just prefer they go with “we’re stuck working with this because we’re running low on other stuff”.

Even that’s kinda screwy since clearly they’re manufacturing new GEN3 in some capacity.

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The whole thing with just porting over Reach armor parts wholesale bugs me for other reasons.

humble yacht
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From a lore perspective, updating existing designs is more cost effective and quicker than generating entirely new designs

main rivet
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Considering we've got a million different armor permutations, I'm not sure that really holds.

unique rune
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Eh, I think it makes enough sense as a stopgap measure with the whole Created thing going on.

viscid salmon
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Look at the AR platform. 70 years and going strong.

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You may need to make the armor, test the armor, get certifications for the armor, take the armor to trial, lose the trial since Misriah bribed the judges, try out again, then get it adopted...

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I dont imagine Humanity's military industrial complex is... firing on all cylinders right now.

carmine sleet
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Just because they aren't capable of accessing all their resources in the way they used to before the Created Uprising, doesn't mean that they aren't able to iterate and create new technologies

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It makes complete sense they'd want to develop new and better armour to combat something like the current crisis

humble yacht
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Gen3 versions of existing armors are still new

carmine sleet
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Indeed. Such as Chief's Mark VI Gen 3

fair hazel
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Maybe they also took some old sets and reused some of the external parts

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Like wraith

wispy wasp
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Halo reach's interpretation of the fall of reach is the canon story correct?

unique rune
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no
both The Fall of Reach novel and Halo: Reach are canon

wispy wasp
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Ahh, ok

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Wait, so how was cortana and the PoA both in space and on the planet then?

viscid salmon
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I think it landed somehow.

unique rune
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The one you see in the game is a fragment that was split off to help Halsey with her work

viscid salmon
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Going off what I remember from a data drop thing I read on Halopedia

unique rune
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Noble's job was to deliver that fragment and its data to the 'proper' Cortana on board the Autumn

viscid salmon
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Sorry, misread. But yeah the fragment thing is yeah

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Nice to know that the fragmenting thing actually started with Reach in terms of games and not 4

wispy wasp
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Did it land after the chief went off to destroy the nav data on the space station?

unique rune
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Going by what Halopedia says, that seems to be the case?

wispy wasp
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Also, spartan james is very likely dead, right?

humble yacht
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who?

wispy wasp
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He went with chief and linda to destroy nav data and was blown out into space by blamite crystals

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They were in a space station

humble yacht
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never seen anyone refer to a spartan 2 in that format

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that nomenclature is used for Spartan IVs

carmine sleet
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James is MIA, most likely KIA given the nature of the accident that sent him spiralling into space

wispy wasp
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Oh, i didn't know that

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Yeah, that's fair

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That also is including if they were able to find him that they wouldn't be able to resuscitate him?

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Actually, i doubt he would even be in one piece because of how much debris there was at the fall of reach

stable flower
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HW2 refers to Red Team members as Spartan [Member Name] in loading screens

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Like Under The Dark

humble yacht
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that's kinda dumb

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Spartan IIs have numbers, they've always been name-number

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Spartan John sounds terrible

viscid salmon
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Yet another reason I dislike the Spartan Branch

humble yacht
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i'm fine with the Branch, but when you already have a system for designating Spartan IIs, you don't just overwrite that system

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also, the Spirit of Fire has been MIA for 30 years. Red Team isn't part of spartan branch, so there is no reason to change the nomenclature

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i think whoever wrote the text for the loading screens just made an oopsie

viscid salmon
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That just seems like a lore oversight

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Just... can ya add some degree of command structure to your supersoldier branch?

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Spartans are turning into Space Marines as is and even they had sergeants.

humble yacht
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there is a command structure

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more seasoned spartans have more authority within the branch

viscid salmon
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Yeah a commander for certain and as far as I know everyone else is just Spartan.

humble yacht
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A spartan who's been around longer is gonna have more authority than a recruit

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at least, on the field, when command matters

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each fireteam has a leader

viscid salmon
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It just seems like their command structure is just mush that meshes and molds depending on the situation.

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Like a Navy lieutenant is a Marine captain. I don't know if you can do an easy comparison with Spartans.

humble yacht
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well, spartans aren't traditional soldiers

viscid salmon
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At least Palmer answered to Lasky

humble yacht
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and given how they've been treated in the past, not surprising that musa would want a new system

viscid salmon
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Like is even the lowest Spartan above an officer of another rank?

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I mean if Musa wants to make a system sure.

humble yacht
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Spartans still answer to officers

viscid salmon
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Ok fair. Where it gets muddy is the NCOs

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Like up here in Canada we're allergic to staff ranks for NCOs

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How would that work I wonder

humble yacht
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I think a non commissioned officer is going to recognize that a Spartan knows what they're doing to have gotten to that position, and would defer to their judgement

viscid salmon
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I guess?

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Perhaps

humble yacht
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besides, since spartans are their own branch, their ops are managed in house

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they'll get their orders from Spartan Command, not naval or army command

viscid salmon
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Only argument I would offer is a lifer NCO who's been in 20 30 years. But fair.

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I want to think this comes from the post Halo 3 era smoothing out the military element of their military sci fi

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A bit softer scifi than before.

humble yacht
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if a spartan fireteam is sent to back up some other branch, the op orders will dictate whether they defer to the other branch command for the op of stick to their own branch's orders

viscid salmon
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Writing wise I mean

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Good points.

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I think they should just explore it a bit more is all.

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Don't want Spartans to feel all high and mighty about themselves.

humble yacht
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most spartans don't

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but at the same time, they recognize they're specialty makes them more suited for certain scenarios

viscid salmon
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With the augmentation going more public over the years it's more likely that you may see rebel groups getting ahold of the chemicals and Augs.

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Of course we've seen rebel Spartans pop up.

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Heh, could be Chaos Spartans on the other side soon enough.

humble yacht
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they were spartans first and then defected