Doesn't matter it there for a reason it's not a coincidence I suggest you watch rockets video there are too many coincidences like the prophet of regret at the end of the game and it's reference to the end of the layers
#lore-and-universe
lean karma
last anchor
Rocket who?
carmine sleet
Again, didn't need to tag me
last anchor
Ive never heard of this guy
humble yacht
replying tags
last anchor
Its tagging, you gottat turn off the @ if you dont
lean karma
Ahh that's why I'm getting the bot thing
last anchor
It's not tagging it's replying
See here.
humble yacht
you need to turn "@ on" to "@ off" when replying
last anchor
Yes
lean karma
Gotcha
Will do either way call me crazy the four horse men theory may be a wild one but... Some sort of mythological or biblical reference could totally happen within the stories underlying meaning
humble yacht
now sure, the 9th sublevel being cold may be inspired by Dante's Inferno, but it's a minor thing, not an overarching reference that encompasses the whole game
lean karma
Again not trying to figure out and spoil the whole story... But we may learn certain level design parts or fates of character in alligbment with what they represent... Like the underlying meaning if the three prophets and thier fates if the hand of atriox represent the four horsemen thier deaths ... or if they link to any sort of mythology in infinite and they aren't killed at the beginning remember this is like a 10 year game plan so we may be able to predict thier deaths before it happens or thier fate etc.
humble yacht
i think your imagination is running a bit wild
lean karma
How do you think Bungie did it
humble yacht
you know, bungie didn't even come up with the whole ironic prophet names
lean karma
But also I agree it's mainly because I've been waiting for infinite so long I'm going way out there 😂
humble yacht
that was whoever wrote Contact Harvest
lean karma
Yeah I gotcha but still fun to think 343 may do something clever like that again
humble yacht
the thing about metaphors is they aren't used to predict where a story goes
lean karma
Unless the metaphor is pre written and the said story is referencing it
carmine sleet
That's not how metaphors work
lean karma
But yeah this is assuming 343 would do that so your probably right... But if Im somehow right it's out here I can say I told people so 😂
humble yacht
i think you aren't using metaphor correctly there
carmine sleet
What you described is referencing metaphors
lean karma
Okay but do you see my logic however confusing or twisted it is
humble yacht
no, i just see that you want certain references to show up
lean karma
bruh I was saying that based on previous games that referenced certain types of material and thier stories if we could find a link with the current game and a story of those genres we could see if we could find one if those stories assume it's an underlying metaphors for the game and translate that into the story plot ex fill characters to whatever might make sense
humble yacht
holy runon sentences, batman
carmine sleet
We wouldn't be able to figure out what references Infinite is going to be making until after we get our hands on the game
And you still used the word metaphor wrong
humble yacht
what you're describing is like how Star Wars Ep 7 was like a rehash of the themes of Ep 4
lean karma
Not quite
last anchor
that was whoever wrote Contact Harvest
That would be our man Joe Staten.
last anchor
RIP.
Eh, I'll rep Joe as hard as I want to XD
lean karma
Its would be more like trying to figure out the plot of Narnia the lion the witch and the wardrobe based off if bible stories before it came out the chances are one in a million and almost impossible
Yeah I see your point
humble yacht
CS Lewis was a devout christian
lean karma
Indeed
last anchor
Its not really sublte in that case anyway...
lean karma
But I'm just trying to make sense or explain it in a way u can understand it🤦
humble yacht
see, Halo's biblical references are too on the nose to be used the way CS Lewis used them
lean karma
The fact all that is christian is coincidence and irrelevant
It was just eh easiest example because most people know what Narnia is
humble yacht
when you're naming stuff after things from history, making events play out the same way they did in history/mythology isn't very interesting
last anchor
Basically
carmine sleet
I definitely don't want Halo to become "The Bible in Space!"
lean karma
Again not trying to figure out the plot necessarily the story may just be meta and seen subtly in the game via a crashed ship or the terrain or planet life
humble yacht
the metaphor of the Hand of atriox is that they, like his actual hand, do the things he wants to help him accomplish his goals
lean karma
...
Yes but why do you think I'm trying to make this a bible lesson I'm just comparing facts we already know about previous halo games
humble yacht
i dunno, maybe you like the bible
carmine sleet
Because of the constant insistence on things all being tied to the Bible in Halo despite the many references to other stories, such as those from Greek and Norse mythology
lean karma
I told you I'm reading up on this because rocket sloths was able to link inferno to ODST spot on
humble yacht
ah so you were influenced by a content creator
lean karma
Mainly referencing the bible because were not on new Mombasa streets where on a halo ring and forerunner stuff which you said earlier the biblical references are mainly forerunner but let's talk Norse mythology because ei have a theory with that too
Is there a problem with that?
carmine sleet
Mombasa streaks? I don't remember that being a thing
lean karma
:(
humble yacht
lol, type slower my dude
carmine sleet
Also, the references to Norse mythology are mainly just names of specific things, it's not anything deeper than that
Like, Chief isn't suddenly going to gain the powers of Thor or anything like that because the armour he wears is called Mjolnir
humble yacht
these norse weapons were legendary in their power. that's why they were attractive designations for the things in the UNSC
the unsc wanted that association with godlike power
lean karma
No I was more trying to tie the Viking apocalypse with atriox and his men trying to attack earth in the after math of infinite and we basically get a Halo 2 #2 but it's atriox and the banished or they let the flood out and it's infected banished vs earth but they ultimately fail and chief dies or somthing
But it's a bit weaker
main rivet
There are differences between thematic references and just in-universe ones.
lean karma
True
humble yacht
but you see, Ragnarok is the final battle of the Gods
carmine sleet
No I was more trying to tie the Viking apocalypse with atriox and his men trying...
I definitely don't want a rehash of CE or Halo 2
main rivet
Also, Halo more than most franchises just trades on "it sounds evocative" with names.
humble yacht
so that would be more fitting if, let's say, the forerunners and the flood had their final fight
lean karma
Again just point this out I never said I believe this is will happen
It's a working theory
Just putting it out there
humble yacht
also the banished purposefully letting out the flood would be a really dumb thing
carmine sleet
It sounds like you want it to happen
last anchor
I remember Rocket Sloth now.
Never liked his stuff. Too click-baity.
Not enough lore.
lean karma
also the banished purposefully letting out the flood would be a really dumb thin...
I mean *Halo wars 2 DLC they accidentally... But infact "awoke" them
Wait
No that's a oing
Ping
humble yacht
theories generally have some logic behind them tho, this just sounds like wishful thiking
last anchor
...
Oh, now I remember him. This is the guy who said the Spartan program was inspired by the GM Spartan from Gundam
humble yacht
...
*Oh, now I remember him. This is the guy who said the Spartan program was in...
lol whut
last anchor
To be fair, Atriox did specifically warn them not to go inside
So thats entirely on voridus
last anchor
Yeah, he made a video about it. Found out there as mobile suit called the GM spartan thats green and has a yellow visor (despite it apparently being a custom suit intended for use, as many mobile suits are) and said it was insperation.
So
carmine sleet
Release the Flood once, shame on me. Release the Flood twice, also shame on me for not learning from my mistakes
last anchor
Dont take his words very seriously my dude. Hes a thinker, not a convincer.
carmine sleet
That means it would be silly to repeat the "Banished released the Flood" thing again
dawn knot
Release the Flood once, shame on me. Release the Flood twice, also shame on me f...
Why did you want to open up a known flood zone
humble yacht
this is why the flood in general are a bad narrative element
carmine sleet
I don't want to release the Flood, it's been done already
last anchor
They're fun to fight but thats about it.
Well, I enjoy fighting them.
lean karma
But don't a lot of the fans want it again...
last anchor
Vocal minority. Nothing more.
humble yacht
their presence in a story is dependent on the stupidity of others
carmine sleet
I sure as hell don't want them back
lean karma
Really
stable flower
cough Voridus cough
humble yacht
voridus, Sesa, whoever released the flood in CE
lean karma
Well then another perfect idea of a side game... You go back and play as anyone from the timeline of of halo games fighting the flood so we don't have to insert then into the modern plot we get classic halo and the marine flood horror game again
humble yacht
freaking Penitent tangent and his lazy lightbulb butt
last anchor
Pfftt
carmine sleet
Sesa released the Flood in an attempt to stop Arby from killing him, knowing that he could've just dropped the station to deal with the Parasite
stable flower
The Banished's naivety on the Flood seems like another attempt to make them seem like a force from nowhere.
carmine sleet
Well then another perfect idea of a side game... You go back and play as anyone ...
What. Like a time travel game? Why would the Flood be time travelling?
carmine sleet
what if something went wrong and the flood escaped?
Fair point. My guess is part of the reason why was because he was desperate
humble yacht
The Banished's naivety on the Flood seems like another attempt to make them seem...
well tbf atriox wasn't naïve
desperation often leads to foolishness
last anchor
The Banished's naivety on the Flood seems like another attempt to make them seem...
Again, Atriox knew what was in there. Voridus was the silly one.
Even Pavium warned him not too.
last anchor
Typical Jiralhanne confidence right?
humble yacht
nah
it was hubris
classic tragic arrogance
now there's a reference for you, lol
last anchor
Heh.
humble yacht
i will say tho, if atriox didn't kill voridus after they finished clean up, i'll be disappointed
humble yacht
yes
lean karma
Well glad I got us all geared into an intresting conversation 
humble yacht
but he said he'd be waiting for voridus after they were done
carmine sleet
He could've given him a fate worse than death maybe? Like abandon him in the middle of a desert with no gear, weapons or food
humble yacht
and in the beginning of the DLC, pavium told voridus that the next time he messed up, he wouldn't be able to protect him
dawn knot
what if something went wrong and the flood escaped?
-Infect pilot
-find banshee or cruiser beacuse the heritics got there somehow.
-wheeee!
humble yacht
so voridus was on his last chance, basically
voridus showed that he was not capable of learning from his mistakes, because all of his failures stemmed from him trying to prove himself to atriox
you gotta cut loose someone like that
vocal aspen
What. Like a time travel game? Why would the Flood be time travelling?
That’s not what they meant. They meant have games along any spectrum of the story line. Their example was a marine flood horror game.
drowsy sonnet
Yeesh I don't want to know what a flood infected fish would look like.
stable flower
I dunno why but I feel bad for those Covenant Loyalists living on the Anodyne Spirit.
drowsy sonnet
What's that?
carmine sleet
The Forerunner Dreadnaught from Halo 2 and 3
craggy sierra
That’s not what they meant. They meant have games along any spectrum of the stor...
The only time flood show up in the entire human/covenant era of the universe is Halo Wars 1 and the original trilogy. Also playing as a marine against an entity that can canonically insta kill you does not seem like a good time even by horror game standards.
Especially since the flood are a hivemind horde faction
drowsy sonnet
I'm afraid I do not remember.
vocal aspen
The only time flood show up in the entire human/covenant era of the universe is ...
I’m not saying it’s logical or anything like that. Idrc about a marine flood game.
Plus there’s a lot of horror games in which enemies can one hit you. Not really a new thing. And it absolutely works. But for halo enemies that would not work at all.
viscid salmon
The only time flood show up in the entire human/covenant era of the universe is ...
Well in Halo 1 Marines could withstand a whip of a combat form tentacle. At some point gameplay and story disconnects. Lest we forget how ODSTs can flip Scorpions.
vocal aspen
Gameplay isn’t canon.
viscid salmon
I know. Which is why we can abuse it to make a fun experience.
carmine sleet
Well in Halo 1 Marines could withstand a whip of a combat form tentacle. At some...
Right but that's different than having the Flood show up in a place where it should not show up
Like, having the Flood suddenly be on Reach isn't the same as the gameplay ignoring canon things like how plasma bolts melt through marine armour
viscid salmon
No but being on some isolated Forerunner station isn't off the table.
And nuking the station destroys whatever infestation is there.
shut dew
"Flood Horror Game" argument number whatever
viscid salmon
Is it any worse than the Halo Battle Royale arguments?
shut dew
And nuking the station destroys whatever infestation is there.
Blowing potentially interesting sites up over and over is why the flood's still boring
humble yacht
this is a lore channel
carmine sleet
So basically you want what would basically be a rehash of Combat Evolved's story with the Halo substituted with a space station?
Hard pass
gentle crag
johnson is friggin dead!!! *cries
viscid salmon
No because the station doesn't destroy all life in the galaxy.
Mona Lisa was well loved.
And that ship was isolated.
shut dew
Game where squad of Elites break into an ONI black site and find a creepy 24th century project that becomes a major part of the mainline plot later on?
carmine sleet
And that ship was isolated.
That ship was parked in the ruins of Alpha Halo
viscid salmon
And?
carmine sleet
That ties it to the events of CE directly
humble yacht
mona lisa works because they didn't fight the flood. they ran from it
versed helm
Could they even fight the parasite?
viscid salmon
Alien Isolation did it well.
carmine sleet
Alien Isolation isn't a Halo game
humble yacht
but as a game goes, horror games where you run from enemies works with minimal enemies
viscid salmon
No but concept are concept.
humble yacht
isolation has one alien
shut dew
Alien Isolation only works when you have a singular monster that isn't a swarm faction
versed helm
Eh
shut dew
Flood game can only work as an Infinite runner FPS, like how the Branching Sickness project is doing
viscid salmon
So... would it make more sense to have an Elite main character instead of a Marine then?
Since they have energy shields
And a fighting change to stop Flood?
gilded mason
So... would it make more sense to have an Elite main character instead of a Mari...
It would always make more sense
carmine sleet
Single Elite, with stealth, trapped on a UNSC space station, while the player, a civilian, has to escape
humble yacht
then it's not survival horror anymore
gilded mason
More Elites, all the time
viscid salmon
Disagree. No backup means no reassurance that Marines or other AI provide.
versed helm
The entire game is elites
humble yacht
gross
shut dew
Single Elite, with stealth, trapped on a UNSC space station, while the player, a...
I think they should be smart enough to go into the vents instead of standing outside them menacingly
Or shoot into them, chuck grenades
carmine sleet
Disagree. No backup means no reassurance that Marines or other AI provide.
You think my idea is bad because the player isn't a marine?
versed helm
Vent? 
carmine sleet
I think they should be smart enough to go into the vents instead of standing out...
Didn't need to tag me
carmine sleet
My apologises Chimera
versed helm
Can Johnson be infected in any way?
viscid salmon
Fair. Seems like this is an emotional topic.
gilded mason
Yup
versed helm
Nuke time
humble yacht
cortana saved him
shut dew
343i should release a definitive Q&A video to clear up these misconceptions... kind of like how Nintendo did with those fan theories
viscid salmon
But if she didn't, I think John certainly could have been infected. Johnson wouldn't be out of the question either.
humble yacht
it's different with johnson
the reason people ask about johnson is because of First Strike
and this bs about Boren's Syndrome
viscid salmon
Johnson obviously knows he's an ORION operative.
humble yacht
but joe staten came out and said he didn't like that, so it was retconned
viscid salmon
But I don't know if he knows the extent of his own protection.
I could be wrong, but maybe Johnson could believe his own BS because how would he know any different?
humble yacht
his only protection is his ability to fight his way out without getting touched
viscid salmon
No good point.
He got... lucky.
Seems a lot of people connected to Spartan projects are, eh...
humble yacht
daisy wasn't
carmine sleet
Sam wasn't either
gilded mason
Or the ones that died falling out of a pelican
viscid salmon
So if that HGN story is canon where did the whole "passing up" line come from in First Strike?"
gilded mason
FS came first, and then got retconned later with things like the graphic novel
viscid salmon
If he wasn't touched and got out without a scratch, that wouldn't make any sense.
Ah got it. Retcon.
craggy sierra
Well in Halo 1 Marines could withstand a whip of a combat form tentacle. At some...
Infection forms, from what I recall instantly downed unshielded entities other than the player. It was one of the few times Halo's mechanics were actually lore accurate and then H3 went so far as to give them transformations in gameplay if an infection form even touched a normal human.
viscid salmon
Infection forms absolutely. There's no way to counter any of those except in 3 where I think that shooting them quick enough will save a friendly.
In the long run everyone is in trouble since flood spores give everyone a bad time.
I believe you can still be infected via spores
But not turned straight into a combat form.
craggy sierra
The issue is that they normally come at you in numbers exceeding the number of bullets you have in a mag and if you were to stick a random joe marine in that situation without power armour, they're dead as soon as they need to reload
viscid salmon
Honestly I don't think spore infection is very well covered.
Mobuto gave it a hell of a shot, even if he got killed in the end.
main rivet
Yeah I think fans tend to overstate the lethality of the spores themselves. If you're in a Hive? Sure. But we see marines engaged with the Flood in plenty of situations where if the "single spore" hyperbole was lethal, they'd have been wiped out.
stable flower
Infection forms are nondetachable when stuck on someone in CE, can instakill you if unshielded in 2, and would have to latch on multiple times to kill you in 3.
viscid salmon
I would still love to see a Canon explanation of spore infection chances. Most people who ended up being in dense enough environments ended up dying by other means anyway.
main rivet
The expanded universe definitely has a very flexible treatment of lethality. Stuff like "The Mona Lisa" and "...Infinite Succor" treat them much more as zombies than the games do, really.
stable flower
That one character got swiped by a combat form and their wound had an infection form or something growing in it. Yuck.
gilded mason
Here's some little tidbits about infection forms that briefly mention spores:
Each tendril ends in nano-scale barbs which can latch onto the target's body and cut through armor or environmental suits. Once the target is compromised, infection forms inject Flood cells to hijack the victim's nervous system. Even if the infection form is quickly removed, Flood cells in the wounds will slowly consume the victim and turn them into quivering, spore-packed blisters. Against unprepared victims the infection form bores into the body, quickly mutating it into a combat form.
Encysted Flood cells form spores which can parasitize both sentient and non-sentient species, rapidly consuming the host and transforming their biomass into an incubator for larger, more mobile Flood combat and infection forms. There is no inoculation against infection, no treatment to slow the parasites' growth, no reversal of its transformation.
Nothin' really about airborne spores, just spores that form when the infection form injects you with Flood cells
viscid salmon
Shame.
A lot of that was a given though reading through this.
Makes s lot of sense.
humble yacht
the spore thing is real, it's just that gameplay ignores spores for balance reasons
in the lore, spores can be weaponized to actually suffocate living things
viscid salmon
It wouldn't be quite so fun if your allies just keel over breathing in Flood gas.
main rivet
The humans get through the Quarantine Zone fine without life support.
Frankly the Halopedia entry for Flood spores seems highly conjectural.
humble yacht
The humans get through the zone fine because the writers ignored the spores
main rivet
I don't think you can just say "the writers ignored it" as an answer when that means de facto the writers ignore it more often than not. That implies one shouldn't treat it as gospel.
humble yacht
Gameplay has never been gospel
You think arbiter and the prophets were speaking English in the opening of h2?
There are books that go into the dangers of flood spores, and Hw2 actually uses them as a weapon
terse lava
Don't forget the fact the Covenant forces also made it through just fine, on the ground.
So gameplay=/lore
vocal aspen
Wdym by “gameplay=/lore”
agile plinth
When did they announce Halo: Divine Wind? I never remember anything about it...
fair hazel
February
agile plinth
Huh. Ok. Question then: I haven't gotten to anything with Veta Lopis and the Ferrets ||(except SoR)|| so far. I want to catchup before I dive into Divine Wind in October though. That arc can be found in Last Light and Retribution, right? Am I missing something?
gilded mason
Those two, plus I think a small short story in Fractures
Though I don't think that one is all that important
agile plinth
Cool. Thanks. Can I ask y'all's opinion on the Rion Forge books? I've done most of the MC books and the Forerunner stuff. Now I'm looking to branch into the other "side" stuff. The Ace of Spades stuff sounds cool because it is linked to HWs which I really like. Are they worth it though? Do they add cool stuff to lore, have cool characters, and connect to important arcs, etc?
craggy sierra
Rion's linked to a character from HW but it's not overall tied into it.
But it's some of the best stuff the Halo universe has gotten in recent years.
terse lava
@vocal aspen I met that what we see in gameplay does not translate to canon/lore. Classic example being your marine allies surviving more then 1 plasma bolt
craggy sierra
I would've said headshots not existing on automatics myself
viscid salmon
Until Halo 5 apparently.
Or your guys walking off even single needle detonation.
I also think a plasma weapons capacity is actually far higher than what is shown in the games. Read it somewhere, can't remember where.
terse lava
In the books, a plasma bolt can vaporize whatever it touches
viscid salmon
Well an overcharge I could believe.
terse lava
Any plasma shot will do it
It is plasma after or, as Bungie put it, "like plasma, but far more archaic, and deadly"
gilded mason
Arcane, not archaic
terse lava
@gilded mason ah, thank you, yep
gilded mason
👌
dawn knot
How durable are the marines?
viscid salmon
Well 7.62 Real Freakin NATO doesn't bother them much in the game.
dawn knot
In the game
viscid salmon
Really though...
I would imagine the armor to be a bit more advanced than our modern plate carriers
Maybe some sort of gel layer that can dissipate some force from a projectile impact.
Since up until a certain point we were fine fighting people who shot back with bullets and not plasma.
What do you define as durability? With armor or pure constitution?
25-30 years may not be enough time to get 800 planets worth of people give or take the newest toys.
dawn knot
Armour protection
viscid salmon
If the Chief had a gel layer I think it would have circulated into Marine armor.
This would work well against physical projectiles but eh plasma don't care about that.
And energy shields were invented on some hotly debated time period and not for regular Marines so I guess I can sum up the answer as... not really durable at all actually.
Marine BDUs really really weren't made for the Covenant after all.
Funny how some degree of shielding never made it for the common joes
dawn knot
One would think jackal shield tech would be more utlized
viscid salmon
maybe something like a gauntlet shield like a riot barrier would exist. Even Elites have something like that.
waxen anchor
@viscid salmon you are way overestimating the commonality of gel and shield tech
it would’ve been impossible to outfit every normal marine with gel/shielding to the degree that it would’ve helped them
viscid salmon
But no advances whatsoever? Especially given the UNSC apparently had enough misappropriated tech to make the mother of all starship.
waxen anchor
A single spartan already costs as much as a frigate
Yeah
Not supply their entire military with gel and shields
They have a lot of money, but not limitless
viscid salmon
Who said anything about the whole army? I did say earlier that 25 to 30 years isn't enough time to outfit 800 planets worth of people.
Give or take.
waxen anchor
So then what, who should get it?
viscid salmon
Only a portion being serving military
waxen anchor
ODSTs?
viscid salmon
I would assume super special snowflake operator units at least.
viscid salmon
Shields I would guess.
viscid salmon
Even today though we are experimenting with layers to help disperse kinetic energy.
viscid salmon
Doesn't have to be MJOLNIR hydrostatic gel.
waxen anchor
And keep in mind, shields are apart of the full set of Elite power armor
viscid salmon
Pretty sure I saw saw like a gauntlet shield looking thing for an Elite somewhere.
I could be wrong.
waxen anchor
I mean
Yeah
Jackals have them
But
They’re very situational
And basically
Marines are expendable
Flat out
viscid salmon
Nice.
waxen anchor
They cannot win engagements with superior gear, since they dont have it
unique rune
The cost of ~300-odd units of MJOLNIR armor was written off as being too much for a company of Spartan-IIIs, trying to manufacture shielded armor on a scale for unaugmented humans would be a bit outlandish
viscid salmon
It's not a gear issue. Equipment can be subverted with good tactics.
gilded mason
Pretty sure I saw saw like a gauntlet shield looking thing for an Elite somewher...
Yes, they were used during the Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor
waxen anchor
The covenant way outclasses them in infantry combat; only reason we ever won some infantry engagements was due to strategy
viscid salmon
The Toyota War comes to mind.
waxen anchor
The hell does a car company have to do with this
Lmao, what book is that from
Or is this a historical event or something
viscid salmon
Militants in Chad literally ran circles around BMPs with Toyota trucks with guns on them.
1980s
viscid salmon
1980s
State of the art equipment was beaten by hit and run tactics with apparently less sophisticated tech.
waxen anchor
They KNOW that outfitting soldiers with shields and gel is POINTLESS, which is why all their stuff is mobility/firepower focused
Dude you’re disproving your own point
viscid salmon
The UNSC can counter with quick hit and run attacks, and frequently have in ground engagements.
waxen anchor
Mhm
viscid salmon
It's why they win ground wars but not space engagements.
waxen anchor
Yeah
…?
Also they lose ground wars soon as the rest of the covie fleet arrives
Since, glassing
viscid salmon
Covenant tech, as advanced as it is can be easily subverted with surgical strikes
Hey they kept Sigma Octantis IV
Granted that one was a dual effort: small team of Spartan operators nuking Cote D'Azur and the military miracle of the Keyes Loop
All in all, only a few key events were consequential to both winning the battle and keeping their turf.
The UNSC should utilize slingshot tactics in orbital warfare as A, they would maintain a high velocity vector to make them a little harder to hit with plasma globs and B, would provide cover between a few rabbit punches.
I think the UNSC was fighting wrong the whole time, drowning the Covenant with bodies.
Though... I think space combat was kind of a young concept in Halo even in the 26th Century if I remember the Preston Cole story well.
Prioritize speed as well as hit and run. Best way to stay alive is not to get shot in the first place.
Then Infinity comes along and we can suddenly run over ships confidently.
last anchor
Though... I think space combat was kind of a young concept in Halo even in the 2...
Also, UNSC ships were at a technological disadvantage in everything in space. Covenant ships had shields and required absurd amounts of firepower to crack. UNSC ships could be destroyed with a glancing plasma hit.
On the ground, however, the UNSC had many more advantages and were at least on equal footing, if not more so in many cases.
viscid salmon
Sure. They lost every time in headlong engagement.
last anchor
3 to 1 numbers required for a win according to Nylunds work, and most of the latter stuff doesnt disagree
last anchor
Then Infinity comes along and we can suddenly run over ships confidently.
Forerunner boosted shields.
viscid salmon
Of course. Forerunner boosted everything actually.
last anchor
UNSC Big Stick, comin through! XD
viscid salmon
Actually the Infinity launching small craft is a really interesting strategy.
Since your enemy may assume you're alone.
last anchor
The Pelicans or her 10 underslung frigates?
Oh, the frigates
Yeah, I LOVE that about her.
viscid salmon
Then suddenly you can spawn a whole escort fleet.
last anchor
Its...I dunno. Its so satisfying to see the idea of a carrier taken to that length.
viscid salmon
Mmm. Kissing mouth noise.
last anchor
Also the scene of them launching in Spartan Ops is SO COOL.
YEAH
Honestly that opening scene really was just "Humanity; COMING THROUGH", the cutscene and I live for it.
viscid salmon
A little hammy but eh it was amusing to see.
But honestly the frigate idea is a fantastic one for a ship that size.
last anchor
It very much fits the UNSCs flexibility and tactical modularity too
And it makes sense considering that originally Infinity was supposed to be a "lifeboat" or something similar.
waxen anchor
I want Halo 2A level cutscenes of just the Infinity massacring Covenant ships
viscid salmon
And supposedly there's another one hiding out there.
I wonder if Eternity was ever completed. Have to look.
gilded mason
It wasn't. And it was stripped of parts to repair Infinity
stable flower
The UNSC should make body armor that protects against directed-energy attacks.
gilded mason
I can't wait until Infinity is destroyed. Hopefully in Infinite.
stable flower
They have a unit that makes use of alien tech, the 717th Xeno-Materials Battalion
viscid salmon
Ah a Shadow of Reach thing it looks like.
Nope Last Light too.
Busy boys.
Makes sense. Once you're made aware of such a vast alien empire and all the goodies it must have, you want to take as much as you can.
Affiliation: UNSC Marine Corps
Commanding Officer: ONI
Oh boy.
stable flower
They already have reverse-engineered tech for ships. They should have it for personnel too.
viscid salmon
If they do have this in the future, I hope it doesn't affect the Human aesthetic as it were.
I'm quite fond of how the UNSC operates and looks.
stable flower
I was hoping UNSC standard-issue armor would be energy-resistant in the post-war but sadly no.
last anchor
They also have groups like REAP-X and a couple others
And Materials Group under Section 3
last anchor
I was hoping UNSC standard-issue armor would be energy-resistant in the post-war...
It actually is, to a certain extent.
The main issue is that plasma is just so freaking HOT its almost impossible to defend against with anything short of energy shielding.
And Forerunner hardlight is just as bad
In fact, the UNSC had energy resistant armor coatings for MJLONIR as far back as the MK IV variant...but a close-range plasma pistol shot was enough to burn clean through it
viscid salmon
The trick would be so somehow redirect the heat of the plasma.
last anchor
I'm quite fond of how the UNSC operates and looks.
Infinity's a good sign it wont be most likely.
And yes, heat dispertions the most effective tactic.
viscid salmon
But it doesn't stop the fact the the armor is now molten.
And good. Let Ancient Humanity be its own thing.
last anchor
Energy shieldings basically the only way to handle it.
viscid salmon
And as of right now that's a controlled good.
Mechs, planes, certain warthogs cheating with Elite tech, and starship seem to be exploiting it.
But man, no infantry.
Maybe not even a shield grenade like in one of the Halo 3 teasers.
last anchor
That we know of.
Who knows what ONIs cooking up.
There ARE shield pylons Spartans can deploy apparently according to the Field Manual.
viscid salmon
Oh ONI spooks I bet have the best of everything.
Probably rocking like 40k inquisitors.
last anchor
Locke went to 04s shard with camo walls and stuff.
...you know thats not entirely an impossible comparison.
viscid salmon
You think so.
last anchor
Minus the enormous hats and penance for blowing up entire worlds, yes.
But the basic idea of specialists with a lot of power and specialty tech def fits some of ONIs teams.
viscid salmon
We have NOVA bombs for that.
last anchor
Again; see Jameson Locke and his "vacation" to Alpha Shard XD
Also, all of the Ferret novels.
viscid salmon
Eh maybe. Maybe. Some light powered armor I can see being a thing.
last anchor
That would be SPI
versed helm
i liked halo 4 campain 😦
viscid salmon
Many of us did.
last anchor
Actually you know, the more I think about it the more I feel like Veta Lopis is a Halo Inquisitior.
dawn knot
Just screw the watchers
last anchor
With her Interrigators forming Saber.
viscid salmon
That would be SPI
So precedent really exists to improve on it. Who knows what's in some closet in an ONI building.
Likely in Australia
last anchor
Mmmmm, yeah about that...
Cortana's guardian dropped a frigate on Sydney.
So...probably not there
viscid salmon
What really?
gilded mason
Ye
viscid salmon
Well. She knew where to send it.
gilded mason
So Sydney's a crater now, most likely
last anchor
Ironically enough its technically an accident.
The frigate just happened to be overhead when the Guardian went off annnnddd well...
viscid salmon
Does say that it's unknown what happened to the city.
gilded mason
Yeah
gilded mason
Maybe
viscid salmon
Maybe it we r boom too
gilded mason
But most likely exploded
viscid salmon
Would be disappointing since Glasslands made a point of showing Sydney rebuilding.
Like wow.
How much can one city be beaten up.
last anchor
(LOOKS AT NEW MOMBASA)
gilded mason
Penance for hosting the UNSC's headquarters, I guess
viscid salmon
Maybe Cortana knew exactly what she was doing.
last anchor
Wonder if the UNs headquarters in New York got hit.
viscid salmon
Probably. We never really got much info about New York
But I imagine Sydney may have been a bigger threat with ONI being a heavy presence there.
If anybody has a way of fighting an AI with God delusions, spooks would.
Disabling means of communication would likely be the bigger goal. If the UN only comprises of Earth nations, you're in trouble.
If the UN has extraterrestrial nation-states... you're really in trouble.
And I'm going to assume she made her power play all in one quick motion.
last anchor
Coordinated across the entire reach of human space enforced by multiple Guardians. Yes
viscid salmon
So all forms of local governments were likely all shut down to prevent interstellar communication.
The UN I imagine being one of the many.
...man this is really reminding me of ME3 right about now.
last anchor
Kinda
dusty prawn
Nice. Don’t forget to read Rebirth online. Then Promises to Keep if you have it
main rivet
I would have to imagine that UNSC ships have some decent safeties in place to prevent their reactors from just nuking things in such situations. I guess the bigger question is if those safeties would still matter if you suddenly lost all power.
While they make a point of DRAMATIC SHIPS FALLING FROM SKY in a lot of the media, I'd presume plenty of ships would have days to work out some option as their orbit decayed.
versed helm
Shoot all nukes at that ship.
last anchor
I would have to imagine that UNSC ships have some decent safeties in place to pr...
Guardian pulses neutrlize anything and everything that's more complicated than physical interaction stuff.
Basically, unless the safety's are mechanical in nature, they're probably not gonna work.
Even without the reactor going off though, its a 600 ish meter long ship falling from low orbit, raw physics will do hella work anyway. Remember the huge gouge the Pillar of Autumn cut into Instillation 04s skin when it crashlanded.
viscid salmon
At the very least Sydney is going to lose a block or two.
Depends on the bricks direction of travel.
stable flower
The UN I imagine being one of the many.
UN is more of a regional organization just on Earth. The UEG has superseded most of it.
viscid salmon
Yeah I actually did some reading into it not too long after I made that comment
stable flower
Oh okay
viscid salmon
I think it's ffunny the un tried to be one world government and then got superseded by another 1 world government
Then ended up back to square one where they started
stable flower
They need a space UN, like the Citadel Council in Mass Effect.
viscid salmon
Maybe down the road, maybe a hundred years or so after the plot is done. Assuming there is actual peace and not an eternal state of grim dark war.
Infinite may be a ten year plan. Let's see whats going going happen.
If we assume what happens after Reach is still set in stone, the early 2600s seem to be relatively stable.
strong sage
What seriouly a mere frigate can cause a crater kind of damage? Nanii care to explain how/what/why?
God dang
If its mac cannons thats understandable but hmm dem frigates thou
gilded mason
What seriouly a mere frigate can cause a crater kind of damage? Nanii care to ex...
From the reactors detonating from the impact.
strong sage
What reactors? What in sorcery kind of unsc’s ship reactor is packing in anyways like nukes or something? Or wait wait was ir the slip space engine?
gilded mason
Remember how the Pillar of Autumn's reactors caused 04 to break apart?
humble yacht
Yes, space ships use nuclear power
viscid salmon
Sure but that explosion was caused by messing it up internally and not by blunt force trauma.
humble yacht
Because nuclear power is clean and plentiful
viscid salmon
Autumn hit the ground running.
Come to think of it, In Amber Clad smacked into that Covenant tower under full steam and she didn't go boom.
I'm not quite sure then if simply dropping out of the sky from what I'm going to assume was either a hover or a light cruising speed would be enough to detonate it.
humble yacht
No
If that’s all it took then ships would be a lot more dangerous to use as a mode of travel
viscid salmon
That's why I think it's unlikely Sydney got destroyed.
Instead they may just need to build a new opera house.
strong sage
Remember how the Pillar of Autumn's reactors caused 04 to break apart?
Oooooo yeaaah by damaging the internal coolans right and causing a chain reaction kind of damage if im not mistaken?
viscid salmon
A wildcat destabilization apparently.
I dont know what that is, Joe Staten wrote that line.
strong sage
Is it safe to assume as well that unsc’s nuclear powered engines is much much more powerfull than our modern ones so thats why its enough to cause huge crater kind of damages level to the point making sydney almost non existant
viscid salmon
Yeah but no safety official would rate any ship clear to leave dry dock if it its reactors blew up after a drop.
humble yacht
Chief used explosives directly on the reactor to break the magnetic containment fields
viscid salmon
Grafton got dusted by that CSO and her drives never went.
gilded mason
Chief used explosives directly on the reactor to break the magnetic containment ...
Think a Guardian Pulse might do the same thing?
viscid salmon
Power likely got cut and the field dissipated.
strong sage
Grafton got dusted by that CSO and her drives never went.
Hmmmmmm that is truee , this is confusing yet interesting
viscid salmon
Fusion reactors in real life just tend to shut down without explosions.
One hasn't gone up yet as far as I know.
humble yacht
That’s because of safety measures
viscid salmon
Which as a starship power source there should be an OSHA handbook a fathom thick for that.
gilded mason
I had thought real life fusion reactors physically wouldn't "explode" because of the nature of fusion
viscid salmon
If the ship is in danger of overloading its reactor through enemy attacks cut the power.
Switch to a secondary if one exists.
Now I don't know if the Guardian pulses shut down backup generators.
gilded mason
When the blast wave hits the Plateau, the frigate lists to one side, then drops. That’s the very instant the prowler entered slipspace, so the footage cuts to black before the Plateau can hit the city below. If the Plateau’s engine core detonated on impact, Sydney would be nothing more than a crater right now.
There must be millions dead.
And somehow BB knew it was coming.
But anyway, this is the only thing we know about the possible Sydney detonation.
gilded mason
Yeah, it's always been "if"
viscid salmon
We won't know until some background line comes up.
Major events seem to be shared in out of combat dialogue.
I think UNSC ships are overengineered to the point where hitting the ground probably wouldn't do the job on its own
gilded mason
Though since it's Serin Osman's internal monologue, I assume she'd be aware enough to know whether or not it's possible. And since she's considering the possibility, I guess she knows enough to think it does within the Halo universe.
viscid salmon
Serin Osman is also a spook who thinks of every negative outcome as is ONIs want.
gilded mason
She's also the head of ONI now.
viscid salmon
Did the Lich die?
gilded mason
I assume she knows enough about ships to correctly guess possibilities. Otherwise, why write her thinking that?
gilded mason
Did the Lich die?
No idea. But I do hope.
viscid salmon
Crazy old bat.
Maybe it's just the optimist I'm me.
I would like Earth, at least for a decade or so, just catch its breath?
gilded mason
Sydney deserves it for hosting UNSC headquarters.
viscid salmon
Two going on three whole generations of Terrans don't really know what true peace is like.
Yeah the war was far away for most of that time, but then it came home
gilded mason
Terrans
This ain't 40K lmao
viscid salmon
Cities got bombed, invaded, cleansed, a few years later a few million people in Arizona got zhooped into Prometheans, and a few years later giant robots come out of nowhere and shut down everything.
viscid salmon
> Terrans
This ain't 40K lmao
I mean, what else do you call a citizen of Earth? Dutch is a Martian.
I can think of three: Terran, Earther, and Earthling.
That last one sounds too cute and implies we are children
Earther has been used by Asimov, and it implies the existence of Spacers and... Belters...
People in Sol may know if you're an American or a Russian, but outside people may just generalize.
Huh, "Tellurian"... aight.
A Reach citizen is apparently called a Reavian
versed helm
Someone seems to watch The Expanse.
viscid salmon
A little.
gilded mason
Love that show
versed helm
Speaking of brands for colonists, there is one planet that harbours "Losers".
viscid salmon
What in Halo?
ripe crow
Instead they may just need to build a new opera house.
Hehe
viscid salmon
We hardly knew em
steep ether
hey, i know this is a joke, but please don't post random things completely off topic
tnks
viscid salmon
Is it a joke? Seems like an outright trolling attempt.
I mean when FNAF I expected a nuking .
See check it out, flooding channels.
Maybe mods are required to give a single warning regardless of content of posting.
rose delta
I just block them right away, personally. Problem solved.
viscid salmon
And there we go. Problem solved.
steep ether
sweet
main frost
Feel free to ping one of us next time; that's the reason it's there
steep ether
k
rose delta
Gotcha, thanks Dozen!
viscid salmon
Two birds with one stone though. They were doing the same thing in general.
rose delta
I started thinking about that "what do you call people born from different places" thing. Do you suppose people that live in space would be called Floaters or something?
Could also be that people born on certain planets are just called X-born (Earth-born, Harvest-born, Reach-born etc.)
viscid salmon
Asimov called them spacers in his writing. I've seen that used in Star Wars
40k uses voidborn
Floaters unfortunately has a less flattering comparison.
As for planets, even in the modern day we just use adjectives like Plutonian, Saturnine, Jovian l, etc.
You could use something like Earth-born, but I doubt that would be the standard on a census. It could be entirely valid but just not the official name.
I'm biased towards Terran since it sounds the most respectable to me.
But hey, nothing has ever been confirmed.
rose delta
I could see the use of Terran in Halo, but I doubt they'd actually WANT to use the term. The situation with the colonies would just have another talking point on how "the Elitist UEG people need to call themselves something fancy to show how much better than us they are"
viscid salmon
Can't think of another term. To refer to Earth.
I found Gaian, Tellurian, Terran
I personally dislike Earthling
And going back to Asimov, Earther
rose delta
They're from the Homeworld, just call them Homies. 😉
viscid salmon
Solarian or Hyperion could refer to people who live in the syatem
But I've rarely ever heard of things like that in scifi
rose delta
Since it's a point of inception for humanity, Earth could also be considered The Cradle. Then again, I can't really think of a decent name for someone living in "The Cradle."
versed helm
Personally, I think Terran makes more sense
I also like to know how Buck got off Reach
rose delta
I'd think that escaping Reach wasn't that big of a deal at the point where we saw Buck in Reach, I'd think the Covenant was more focused in terms of fighting and destroying the planet at the time.
Could've boarded any space-worthy vessel at any point between us last seeing him and the end of the game.
versed helm
I also wonder where Maethrillian could be right now, since Rho Baratumee was looking for it, sucks that he couldn't fulfill his goals
viscid salmon
Personally, I think Terran makes more sense
You would, E.
As for Maethrillian, ooh wouldn't that be juicy. Yeah a freaking huge Forerunner city world just floating out there...
versed helm
If we did discover what remains of Maethrillian, what could we expect there?
viscid salmon
Good question. Best equivalent I can think of is like the asari running across the citadel for the first time
Empty, foreboding, and filled with residual signs of appearance and/or automated systems.
Kknd or like any other Forerunner ruin
rose delta
If the Forerunners kept a good bit of information there as opposed to having EVERYTHING in The Domain, could be all their recorded history.
viscid salmon
But for the capital...
rose delta
Not to mention the capital fleet, if anything of that remains.
viscid salmon
I would see clashes of Forerunner architectural types.
Like one rate a plate
I would love to see something like Miner architecture represented.
We know what Builder stuff looks like with a twist of Lifeworker on the Halo ring.
I'm going to assume that Requiem had hallmarks of Warrior-Servants
What do Miner buildings look like?
versed helm
Weren't Miner ships described as being ugly?
rose delta
Oh, another amazing discovery in the Maethrillian would be their slipspace portal network! They'd likely connect to nearly any known Forerunner world.
versed helm
Or maybe something that might give us a huge advantage in our fight against Cortana
versed helm
What stores are halo books available in (ik stupid question but I got a gift card to a book store)
terse lava
Barns&Noble is a popular choice
versed helm
That’s perfect! I got a gift card for there
Let me see if I still have it or my parents gave it away
(They know I don’t read books)
terse lava
Well the ones I have been too often have a full shelf of halo books. Except Broken Circle oddly enough
fast harbor
So if we had to have a decision and not biasing it on favority who would win master chief, or noble 6 based on armour skill and experience
viscid salmon
I would give it to Chief for experience.
Even though Six is a diverse portfolio, John's just been in the game longer.
craggy sierra
And sabre pilot
But like chief can pilot a longsword just fine.
Those are literally the only 2 things we know about 6
terse lava
While I dislike Spartans, would.likely put money on the chief thanks to his experience compared to what tiny bit we know of N6
fair hazel
6 is definitely overhyped
humble yacht
Overhyper lethal
dawn knot
Marketing Garbage that was retconned
dawn knot
The best thing he did was give us proto-firefight, that's where he dies
versed helm
How long can someone last on that level?
Like what is the world record for surviving the longest on Lone Wolf
humble yacht
How long can someone last on that level?
As long as they stay alive
viscid salmon
I just mean to say Six did more than simply waving a gun around. He simply explored other career fields even if it was just for a while. I'll add to that and claim an assassin would be a career separate from general infantry.
Being a space pilot ain't the same as being an atmo pilot.
Before the newer books came around we didn't know much of what John was up to between when Sam died and when 2552 rolls around. Now we know a lot more.
viscid salmon
Frankly, I'd side with them tbh
See that's a tough one. I imagine various cells have very legitimate grievances with the UEG.
Sorry, at the time the UNSC was in power.
My personal bias is that I love a unified Humanity, maybe as a federation of states.
And I think that fracturing at the time that it happened would have been quite bad in the long run with the Covenant breathing down everyone's neck.
viscid salmon
See with so many bad guys around with so many different agendas... I'm sorry I think I've got to side with sticking together no matter what.
If there were no other aliens anywhere close to humanity's core worlds then yeah I'd say let's talk about secession from the UEG but there's just too much awful out there for that sort of thing at the moment.
Ironic that a guy who has Big E as an avatar is advocating for Human secessionist states.
I just find that funny, it's nothing to do with you; I've just consumed too much 40k.
versed helm
Oh
viscid salmon
But like I said, the rebels have a good case for their disgust
Venezia seems to be... an anomaly.
stable flower
So would you side with the Insurrectionists?
Hell yeah. The UNSC don't care about backwater planets.
versed helm
What are these things?
The creatures were the highly mutated and misshapen bodies of asteroidea merozoite victims with a hereditary cellular condition known as delta-beta thalassemia. Rather than dying shortly after infection like most victims, humans with this exceedingly rare genetic disorder would instead suffer grotesque skin over-growth and bone malformation, gradually transforming into something no longer recognizable as human.
TLDR
Humans that were tested and genetically deformed
steep ether
"humans with this exceedingly rare genetic disorder would instead suffer grotesque skin over-growth and bone malformation..." mutated humans i guess. i always thought they were weird jackal mummy things
versed helm
They were killed when blue team blew up Argent Moon
Reminds me of the spartan 2 program failures
steep ether
i hope you're sarcastic
viscid salmon
I thought they were Jackals as well.
stable flower
IDK why but those mutants have some potential
viscid salmon
Nope, just a little drop of nightmare in your scifi setting.
versed helm
Pretty fire ee potential
stable flower
Shot in the dark but can Outer Colonies be described as third-world colonies?
viscid salmon
Nah I really don't think so.
They're outer in the sense that they're the most physically distant but I don't think that would necessarily mean they're the weakest in terms of technology.
versed helm
Technology would obviously vary because of resources and trade with other colonies.
viscid salmon
Colonies could likely produce their own materials and be more independent.
And some could potentially be quite sophisticated.
It's all a roll of the dice.
If a planet is super-rich in rare-earth elements you'll probably see a booming technology market.
versed helm
Wouldn't 3rd world colonies just be like how countries are described as 3rd world
viscid salmon
Well those are classified in terms of culture and technology I believe.
The whole 'Developing' nations thing.
viscid salmon
Hmm, I think a new colony, freshly minted, would fit a "Third World" idea.
A self sufficient colony that can meet its own needs may fit into the idea of "First World" in my opinion.
It can feed its people well, has a reliable industry sector, and has started to develop an independent culture of sorts.
versed helm
Revolt.
viscid salmon
FTL would effectively put a hold on major deviations but hey traditions grow.
craggy sierra
I just mean to say Six did more than simply waving a gun around. He simply explo...
I mean...Chief can pilot a longsword which is a similar class of outer atmosphere fighter to a sabre. I don't think that was a career change as much as ONI just picked him to go do it out of all the possible spartans that had outer atmosphere flight training. I.E. All of them.
gilded mason
He had a bad time
ripe crow
Yeah for real
Also, although the budget for “the duel” from halo legends was pretty clearly low, there were some really cool shots in it!
I’m past the forerunner saga stuff and I’m starting contact harvest tomorrow
gilded mason
I really couldn't get into the style of it
ripe crow
It’s a really different writing style
gilded mason
The Duel, I mean
steel stone
My favourite part of Halo Legends was when the entire Covenant and UNSC were fighting the flood together.
The Dual was a great insight on the Elites on what they do when they are not punching my face in constantly.
I have a question why is there a crashed Longsword on Tempest?
cobalt quiver
I would also like to know this @ me when this is answered
noble fjord
I find it odd how Zealots and Silent Shadow (and other special forces) work with mainline militant forces if the situation called for it.
For example the Zealot on Reach. Would he be under the orders of Thel? Wouldn't the Zealots themselves be more suited to independent command given their skill set and tactics are probably different than what their commander would be used to?
versed helm
I like how the duel showed sangheli culture and how warrior they are.
fast harbor
I like how the duel showed sangheli culture and how warrior they are.
You know i wish there was more grunt content
Like imagine grunt dlcs
versed helm
What would the story be about?
fast harbor
Idk maybe qhen the grunt rebels in high charity the one when the got turned into infantry post-rebellion
Or yap yap but first person
versed helm
mmmm maybe.
fast harbor
I mean it would be a little difficult but im prettty sure they could do it
Especially snce theres an open world halo coming out with dlcs coming with it so
versed helm
What game?
slim thorn
I find it odd how Zealots and Silent Shadow (and other special forces) work with...
The Zealots are working under the hierarch.
dusty prawn
The Duel, I mean
Some of it was great. If they dropped the overtly japanese stuff, made Han an actual sangheili, and fixed the first scene to not make it look like vaseline was poured on the screen, it’d be super fantastic.
terse lava
I didn't mind the artstyle of The Duel. It was made that way to reflect Japanese art
craggy sierra
It doesn't come across like that
Look at stuff like Okami and Muramasa. By comparison the duel literally just looks like someone dumped vaseline all over the animation cells.
carmine sleet
I found The Duel really hard to look at when I watched it for the first time
fair hazel
Wooohooo new canon fodder
prisma crescent
In Halo Reach Dr. Halsey says she "found something" and gives it to 6. I thought that was Cortana and she was some Forerunner creation? Was this not the case? (Not including Halo 4 in this discussion, I just jumped to the conclusion that Halo 4 made it up and I wanna confirm my suspicion).
versed helm
It was a fraction of her.
prisma crescent
was that canon before 4 then?
And also what did Halsey even find? What was the Covenant trying to destroy down there if not Cortana?
humble yacht
the thing she found was a forerunner machine that she had cortana analyze
prisma crescent
ohhhh
humble yacht
she gave cortana's fragment containing the data analysis to 6 so he could bring it to Keyes
prisma crescent
I'm still upset by the whole "seven year lifespan" thing though :(
it just seems unrealistic
humble yacht
the covenant wasn't there to destroy reach, not at first. They came looking for forerunner artifacts
prisma crescent
If Halo 4 wants a sick/dying cortana they could have easily just done something with the fact that she was sitting with the Gravemind for a while. Guilty Spark already implied the Flood is capable of rewriting AI.
humble yacht
bungie invented the 7 year lifespan thing
prisma crescent
IIRC Guilty Spark outright says in Halo 3 that he's not informed about any Forerunner tech beyond Ring 4 because the Flood could hypothetically compromise him
I feel like Cortana being some catalyst for future flood survival would be a neat idea
humble yacht
no thanks
gilded mason
No thank ya.
prisma crescent
all i know is so far halo 4 has done a few things that upset me a little bit, notably "Master Chief you won't survive the landing"
gilded mason
What?
humble yacht
nobody told him he wouldn't survive a landing
prisma crescent
Cortana tells you during the first stage that being pulled into the atmosphere could kill you
gilded mason
It was enough of a concern to Johnson and the marines that they thought the gel layer might not be able to take the impact back in Halo 3
And the Halo 4 drop was even farther
prisma crescent
fair
humble yacht
he also had a forerunner door protecting him in the fall from H3
and Noble 6 had a reentry backpack
dawn knot
That door probably had a drag shute and a soft serve dispenser built in
prisma crescent
the only other thing i've noticed that's odd about 4 is the plasma pistols discharge really fast but it might just be because the covenant off-shoot doesn't have good batteries
dawn knot
They forgot to buy Duracell
humble yacht
it's just game balancing
gilded mason
^^^^
prisma crescent
tbh I prefer only having one or two plasmas, there's plenty of ammo to abuse the shieldbreaking regardless
fast harbor
So when the precursors died, its said they didnt defend themselves becauee they were in such awe that the forerunners did such a thing. If the precursors were so massive and intelligent why didnt they have a protocole for if this happened
I mean humans do the opposite with the sanghelios so why didnt the precursors do it
viscid salmon
The Precursors literally surprised_pikachu.png'd
Maybe because they banked so much on the Forerunners.
Who knows how long the two races had direct contact with one another.
unique rune
Typically held by Sangheili females, the role of scion is most often granted in the event of a kaidon's death. As Arbiter Thel 'Vadam has grown in influence, the scion has become an increasingly respected and valued position across their people.
Hmm. Interesting.
viscid salmon
Yeah, considering Scion is a term that is generally associated with a male heir to Humans.
unique rune
Oh, huh, I’d forgotten Sangheili scions were previously introduced in Shadow of Intent.
viscid salmon
Scion appears to be a de facto steward in the event of a kaidon's death going off that flavor text.
versed helm
Does anyone else besides me hates the Janus Key arc that went nowhere?
viscid salmon
Yes.
Hate is the wrong word. I'm disappointed.
But I was also concerned that Humanity would gain a load of technology overnight and become... Basically Bungie Forerunners.
gilded mason
They shouldn't have had that storyline in the first place, really
Since them losing it was really the only way it could have gone, otherwise we'd get what Chris said
versed helm
Halo: Escalation could've been a great series if they didn't overtly focus on the Janus Key
Also, was it really necessary for them to get rid of Requiem like they did?
gilded mason
nope lol
versed helm
I feel like there are areas of Requiem that we never got to explore
gilded mason
They were brainstorming what to do with it, somebody said "Uh...throw it into the sun?"
Everyone laughed, then never thought of anything else to do with it, so that's what they did
viscid salmon
It's different from detonating a fusion reactor at least.
Not like it's the first time someone's used a supernova to get rid of a planet.
versed helm
RIP Galileo Base
unique rune
We couldn’t figure out how the story ended. Room full of smart people, all with storytelling skills and the resumes to prove it, and we could not tie a bow on this story in the outline stage.
Then Frank O’Connor says, ‘Maybe Jul just drives Requiem into the sun.’
And we all laughed, because that was so wonderfully absurd. A half hour later we still didn’t have an idea of how the Requiem adventure ended. Eventually we let Jul drive Requiem into the sun because, come on. That’s pretty awesome, throwing planets into suns.
pain
viscid salmon
Wait what
I mean, maybe the Didact could have had a killswitch installed in Requiem
That... makes a bit more sense than just flooring it into the sun
gilded mason
> We couldn’t figure out how the story ended. Room full of smart people, all wit...
🤢
gilded mason
Haruspis had a pretty neat idea regarding it
versed helm
Oh?
viscid salmon
He tends to
unique rune
If I recall correctly, he suggested leaving it to 'Mdama's Covenant and they could use it essentially as a base of operations.
At least I think that was his idea.
Might be confusing it with someone else's, but at the same time I haven't read many opinions on the subject...
gilded mason
Ye
viscid salmon
Better yet: let 'Mdama take it, slip in a spy, and THEN drive it into the sun
fair hazel
Requiem might not be fully gone
viscid salmon
Is that a fact.
gilded mason
Is that a fact.
Thorne was speculating that something like Requiem would be able to survive the star
viscid salmon
I wouldn't put it past the Forerunners to make a planet that can survive dipping into a sun.
Thorne speculated this? I know he's a bright guy but that takes some major big brain speculation.
fair hazel
it's somewhere in the spartan field manual i think
viscid salmon
Forerunner tech doesn't seem to be too far beyond the laws of physics and can very much lose those fights.
gilded mason
it's somewhere in the spartan field manual i think
Yes
fair hazel
I think it gives an opening if they bring it back one day
gilded mason
Yeh
viscid salmon
Maybe if Uncle Didact comes back in some way.
versed helm
Considering how insanely OP Precursor technology is
viscid salmon
Hard to picture their buildings to be honest.
Star roads and such
Wonder how ||the Domain survived considering it's described as being Precursor tech||
OK, this one is really just me and this may seem kind of petty, but it seems like newer Halo content doesn't seem to use real stars in the universe. I hope this is wrong, but it doesn't seem as common to me like in older stuff.
gilded mason
It's a good thing, to be honest
Better not to have to constrain themselves to real world location
viscid salmon
I felt it made the universe far more believable.
Halo was much harder in terms of science back in the day.
Again, that one is really just me.
I'm not going to raise pitchforks or anything, and people can obviously rename stars; we do it today.
It just felt... I guess closer to home I suppose.
I can understand it makes defining interstellar borders less problematic.
ripe crow
The contact harvest intro chapter is intense
viscid salmon
Are you binging the whole library?
You already knocked out the Forerunner trilogy and now you're on to contact harvest.
ripe crow
Yup
I’m only unable to find a way to read the comics
I’m even tracking down the terminals in game when they show up in the timeline lmao
shut dew
These are professional writers
This isn't even a bad idea. Let's be honest, what could've been done more about Requiem, a shield world specifically designed to hold one character in it?
If that is bad writing, then I don't think anybody would've liked Installation 04 getting destroyed
ripe crow
Maybe if Uncle Didact comes back in some way.
I really hope the Ur-Didact shows up again
shut dew
I really hope the Ur-Didact shows up again
Plot twist: in the audio logs
shut dew
I can say with utmost certainty that the audio logs will be treated the same as BOTW's memories but without the visuals
Good luck finding the .mp3s in a cave
- Quote by some guy on here, who was it
I still stand by my prediction that Chol Von might show up in Infinite, there's no way 343i could just namedrop her like that in an MCC achievement and move on.... but she'd be 100% dead by the end like almost every named Kig-Yar character in the series.
lean karma
Yooo Chol von? Ngl Kilo Five trilogy specifically Mortal Dictata is probably my favorite halo book my second being contact harvest
It would be intresting to see Kilo Five in infinite
Hell I wouldn't mind them getting thier own side game because they could make a cool spin of off ODST but with two huragock marines ODST, ONI, and a spartan it's like the best mixed group out there
gilded mason
I'd rather we don't get a game about genocide apologists.
Unless, like, they denounce what they've done by the end or something
lean karma
But I would be a cool perspective? They all hate Halsey and with a spartan II that had Venetzian UEG terrorism in the bloodline ||that actually met her post augmentation|| is awsome it really adds a layer of humanism to the characters like infinite is trying to accomplish with pilot guy
gilded mason
They all hate Halsey
That's just stale at this point lol
lean karma
It hasn't been explored well though in fact It would be so much cooler to see Naiomi and the rest of K5 integrated with Tom, Fred, Olivia, Mendez and the gang and being forced to work side by side with Halsey and then they see from her perspective like how we had fire team castle but Thorne started listening to what Halsey said
gilded mason
I'd rather we just...never hear from Kilo-5 again. They're pretty awful people and would just make me annoyed.
lean karma
Hmm
humble yacht
Not surprising
lean karma
I guess I just really want some sort of Alpha nine but not alpha nine
gilded mason
We could have new characters for that
lean karma
Not somthing shallow like Osiris but not something that's just a reskinned Alpha 9 if that makes sense
Yeah there's what theres that purple and white spartan
fair hazel
I’d like to know what they’ve been up to
gilded mason
Rotting in the ground, mostly
slim thorn
Well... Kilo Five is most likely inactive ever since Serin becomes a CINCONI
scarlet quiver
Whaaaat? Id say not, but i really dont have any evidence to back that up...
Sup Ostral
gilded mason
Sup Ostral
'Lo
austere stone
before i post a reddit post i wanna speculate
i wanted to watch a clip of cortana saying “don’t make a girl a promise you can’t keep” and this ones from halo 4; now; if chief always kept his promise do you think in infinite he would bring cortana back to halsey also given that halsey is still alive
i’ve also just read shadow of reach so there’s some more insight i’m speculating on but i wondered if anyone caught on this cutscene as literally as i have
craggy sierra
Cortana's killed millions
It does not matter what she said in Halo 4
They cannot morally justify redeeming her
You don't keep promises to mass murderers
Hell chief pretty much says as much in Shadows of Reach as well
viscid salmon
Even moreso in 5 he's sick of her nonsense with the whole "you know the exact bodycount" thing.
I don't know if this is accurate, but I think the chief had his heart broken a little bit.
A very close friend became the sort of thing they fought against.
versed helm
So how many people could've made it off Reach?
unique rune
At least 2. Maybe even 3.
viscid salmon
During the glassing you mean?
versed helm
Any time during the Fall
viscid salmon
Population before glassing is 703 million.
That's quite respectable
I imagine maybe a couple tens of millions perhaps?
If the attack was completely unexpected... I kind of expect the vast majority never made it off.
unique rune
It’s pretty much impossible to say given we don’t really know much about how evacuation went
versed helm
Probably a few million
unique rune
Exodus shows a glimpse of it, but even that was just a small handful of transports
viscid salmon
6000 people i think.
Or was it 5000
Somewhere in that ball park.
At least on those passenger ships.
versed helm
Or how many people still remained on Reach even after the Fall of Reach was over
viscid salmon
Halopedia says 120,000 people went back afterwards. Mostly contractors
And a planet is a huge place. I imagine some people were left.
It also says most people weren't even aware of the invasion even happening.
versed helm
Wasn't that also the case with Earth?
gilded mason
It also says most people weren't even aware of the invasion even happening.
I can't see that being possible
Like a quarter of the planet was on fire
There is gonna be smoke covering everything
carmine sleet
It's possible there were parts of Reach kept in the dark for a small amount of time early on but the whole planet definitely learnt the planet was being invaded
carmine sleet
Wasn't that also the case with Earth?
Everyone on Earth knew the planet was being invaded
viscid salmon
I can't see that being possible
Just relaying what was said on the article.
It's possible that there were news blackouts to prevent panic
At least, yeah, at the early stages of the invasion.
Some people may have the benefit of being farther away in more remote regions where news travels slow.
Cities would be the first hit of course.
gilded mason
Very early, I could see people not knowing, yeah
viscid salmon
In the books, of course this happened very quickly.
gilded mason
But by mid-way and later, most of the planet would be covered by ash and smoke
gilded mason
In the books, of course this happened very quickly.
Yeh
viscid salmon
However the game I think makes more sense in terms of a time-frame.
Since the Covenant may want to send their guys in to look for relics. No point in burning anything yet.
I think this may also allow for people to get away.
gilded mason
However the game I think makes more sense in terms of a time-frame.
Though not about Keyes and the Spartan IIs somehow not knowing the planet was invaded for a whole month.
viscid salmon
I don't know what Keyes was doing in the new timeline.
viscid salmon
Now that would be impossible.
gilded mason
Yeah
viscid salmon
Because well, a spaceship kind of goes around a planet on a regular basis.
And even if he was in the same system, it wouldn't take that long for news to get to him.
Hey, on a bad day in the current year it'll take 45 minutes for a message to reach Mars.
It's just a narrative inconsistency that I just have to suspend disbelief for.
But that's a big one.
I just mean to say that I don't think a planet would logically be conquered and razed in the time period presented in the books, especially given what we know of the Covenant.
versed helm
So what could've happened to The Assembly after all of this Created yoink started?, if they were still active
viscid salmon
Ah now that is an interesting question.
Assuming the Assembly is still canon
Because the motives of the Assembly could very well clash with Cortana's.
The Assembly believed in helping Humanity get better.
But Cortana wants the Mantle. Stand with her or get crushed.
That includes Humanity, which I think would peeve the more affectionate of the AIs.
I think the Assembly as an idea would spark a lot of debate, though I don't think the vast majority of fans are aware they exist as a concept.
versed helm
Also, where could the Museum of Humanity be located?, I assume that it is located on Earth
viscid salmon
No way to know for certain but I'm going to assume yes.
...a completely out there guess but I think Mombasa isn't an impossibility.
versed helm
If it is located on Earth, I say that it would be fitting since Earth is humanity's home world
viscid salmon
And I pick Mombasa as my guess since it was the site of many important battles not to mention the Ark Portal.
versed helm
And I pick Mombasa as my guess since it was the site of many important battles n...
Pretty sure the only museum Mombasa can have is on the types of glass
viscid salmon
According to Halopedia it was being rebuilt in 2557
versed helm
Oh dang. New info
viscid salmon
And the Museum of Humanity's panorama started in 2607.
That's exactly 50 years.
I forget the completion date off the top of my head.
versed helm
Indeed. ONI is also in Mombasa, right?
viscid salmon
An office yes.
versed helm
Yeah. Then the museum is also probably there
And features an ONI section
I still wonder how ONI might cover up the Portal at Voi
viscid salmon
...Not easily. Look at the size of that thing.
versed helm
Pretty sure they'll call it a slip space anomaly. People will have some basic idea about what slip space is, but not enough to know that its not an anomaly, but a portal
viscid salmon
The physical portal though? Who knows how many civilians saw it.
Granted, Voi had a slight bug problem around the time it went active but I highly doubt that nobody saw the excavated structure.
versed helm
Or I wonder if the civilians have any basic idea about the Flood
viscid salmon
I imagine any who have a true idea are likely dead.
My guess? Covenant bioweapon
Simple and would fit the bill for propaganda purposes.
And your average tiny civilian mind won't break under this explanation.
The more I think about it the more I think its the easiest explanation. Your average Earth citizen hadn't seen Covenant up before that point outside of propaganda reels so explaining the Flood as a freak living weapon would make sense to me.
pulsar pivot
Like that one solider who was contemplating suicide after his squad was infected and he killed them
lone marten
Or I wonder if the civilians have any basic idea about the Flood
No they don't. ONI covered up the destruction of half of the continent as, the covenent came to Earth and decided to glass half the continent. It was that easy.