The reason there are 7 installation is because to get a maximum effectiveness
#lore-and-universe
slim thorn
dawn knot
Beacuse bungie number funny
versed helm
What do elites do in their free time? Talk about the weather? Do human things, such as looking at a phone? Do elites use devices?
stable flower
Spar with each other probably? I mean they are dogmatic.
shell stag
They were also based on fuedal japan, so maybe their society isn't too different from that?
gilded mason
They were also based on fuedal japan
They are not.
gilded mason
They're more based on vikings
shell stag
I can see that, but I think the samurai fit a lil better? Maybe both were an inspiration
gilded mason
The writer for their thing said he used the Norse as the basis.
And other European countries
slim thorn
Well... The thing is, they do have some Japanese style. Japan honors the duel fight.
gilded mason
That's a European thing as well
terse lava
Called chivalry
And really, the Sangheili are more like knights then samurai, being men of faith and honor.
humble yacht
People think sangheili are like feudal Japan because of Legends
But Legends takes major liberties with how certain things are depicted
Notice how the female elites in Legends look almost human
delicate notch
(What does "Legends" entail?)
versed helm
How was the Forward Unto Dawn still functioning after getting severed in half?
delicate notch
How was the Forward Unto Dawn still functioning after getting severed in half?
It wasn't? I mean, it would be a bad design if you have a cable running through the entire ship for every function of the ship. Some functions wasn't killed by getting sliced.
unique rune
(What does "Legends" entail?)
Collection of shorts done by a handful of Japanese production houses.
The episode being referenced in particular would be The Duel.
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_Legends
versed helm
Funny enough, I'm watching Origins I right now
delicate notch
Collection of shorts done by a handful of Japanese production houses.
The episod...
Aha, thanks for the clarification 🙂
I thought it was some kind of parallell to Star Wars Legends.
versed helm
So what would be the best way for the Flood to return?
Besides Awakening the Nightmare in Halo Wars 2
delicate notch
The Ark and the banished. A new artefact. Some unknown space goo.
I figure a good way to expand the Halo universe would be to deflect from the Halos.
versed helm
I agree tbh
unique rune
I want the Flood to just
not do that
no returning please
stable flower
And deflect from Covenant and their remnants
versed helm
So what are your most favorite Halo Legends shorts?
Mine would be, Origins I, Origins II, and The Duel
The Duel was the one with Fal Chavamee right?
unique rune
Yes
versed helm
Alright just checking, I feel sorry for Fal though
ashen abyss
What if the flood returns in the real world?
Do we have a chance to survive it? Atleast one person?
jade wave
No
gilded mason
There is no immunity
ashen abyss
Sgt.Johnson?
humble yacht
He wasn’t actually immune
gilded mason
His immunity was retconned long ago.
ashen abyss
oh
delicate notch
Being immune to the flood is like being immune to getting speared. Unless you got a thick enough shell you will be affected.
slim thorn
Installation 07 needs to mark the return of the flood at some point.
craggy sierra
no
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again
What else can you do with the flood?
We know their back story and lore from inception to metaphorical grave
We've defeated the most powerful entity they have to offer, a gravemind
Bringing them back would only be going through the motions of a story already seen
Like the last star wars movie
Nostalgia alone is not enough merit to bring something back
You need to have substance because nostalgia is inherently a fleeting emotion.
slim thorn
It's not about Nostalgia, rather, it's how to bring the Nemesis of all kind back. With the current conflict is going on, they need a nemesis to band together once more.
craggy sierra
That's boring though
Just dump the ultimate evil into the universe to force everyone to get along and completely bypass all the politics, conflict and nuance Halo's setting can use.
Like literally that would cut out all the most interesting aspects of Halo's story telling in the post war era
Besides they have something already that everyone is in equal hostilities with
The created
Humans are against them, the elites are against them, the banished are against them
why do we need the flood?
slim thorn
It's already a four-way battle between those factions.
craggy sierra
Yes but only one of these factions has the ability to completely shut down all interplanetary travel
Also the elites are allied with us
slim thorn
Not all of it, considering UNSC still have some of the splinter faction.
craggy sierra
I'm also pretty sure they have no direct conflict with the banished
The flood would just by pass all the intrigue and character that lies at the root of the conflict
And again
All for some cheap nostalgia bait
Halo would literally undermine its own potential for nuanced story telling and people think this would be a positive thing
That scares me
a lot
Just having your characters go "our conflict doesn't matter now because a new threat came out of nowhere" is so boring and in any realistic sense both sides would immediately go back to fighting the moment the other issue is dealt with. And honestly even in the original trilogy both sides kept on fighting in spite of the flood as well.
The elites never left because they acknowledged the threat the flood pose to the galaxy. They left because their own politician put a kill order on their entire race.
slim thorn
Here's the thing, Cortana already knew a nook and cranny for UNSC battle tactics, as the only available UNSC warships available are Infinity (Include the Frigates inside) and Spirit of Fire. Defeating her is not going to be as easy as it looks, unless we could expect an enemy that can give her a tough time even with her Guardian or any heavy ordinances.
Home Fleet was disabled and inoperational at this point, not to mention Infinity has to make a stop at one of the UNSC colony at some point to replenish their supplies.
What UNSC needs to solve is the case of the Primordials, which the answers lies at Installation 07. To do that, they need to make sure Cortana didn't send her guardian there, or everything will comes to nothing. IIRC, 07 serves as the prison for Primordial, but the question is the presence of the monitor itself who may store the logs of it.
And yeah, bringing the Flood back is literally a nostagia. But, how will UNSC and the gangs will make an opening to defeat Cortana?
slim thorn
What was left of it at 07
craggy sierra
You literally just described the conflict and then were like "The UNSC needs to solve the mystery of the primordials" like that would help in their conflict at all.
slim thorn
Link it to the flood case
As many things on the flood remains unanswered, considering the origin was the Primordials.
craggy sierra
Solving a rubix cube on the toilet isn't going to help me if the house is on fire
Like
That has literally nothing to do with the conflict going on between the created and Banished at all
slim thorn
I'm expecting a new upgrades for the Chief and his gang again at 07, and some mystery can be solved there.
craggy sierra
Okay but what would that actually do?
slim thorn
Neural physics ability?
violet notch
Who in the UNSC nicknamed the aliens? Was it official? Or did the rank-and-file masses in the Marines start calling them things and it just stuck?
craggy sierra
I think they just called them out based on like surface level reads
Elites looked like they called the shots so they just got called elites, grunts were...well grunts and jackals I guess got named by someone with really bad eye sight who thought they looked like jackals
versed helm
I didn’t know you could do this
young mortar
||do what||
craggy sierra
Discord text formatting is an art
young mortar
||indeed||
jade wave
Elites looked like they called the shots so they just got called elites, grunts ...
They are called jackals because of their scavenging nature, which is what the jackal on earth primarily does
violet notch
I think they just called them out based on like surface level reads
But who? Who called them out?
Just nicknames the soldiers fighting them used to communicate and identify?
Or someone higher up?
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
carmine sleet
We know Chief came up with a couple of the names thanks to Silent Storm
shut dew
And the Chief-centrism grows. Great.
/s
terse lava
It was pretty annoying reading that part
gilded mason
Yeah
cunning valley
I mean the Covenant in scenes where its just them talking refer to themselves as Brutes Elites etc so I'm not sure if its just humans that nicknamed them
pulsar pivot
Elites looked like they called the shots so they just got called elites, grunts ...
Ironic that you would say something has bad eyesight also given snipers
slim thorn
I think it's based on their nature of scavanging.
terse lava
@cunning valley thats literally just for the reader's benefit
slim thorn
But yeah, Jackals has a good eye, though.
Not to mention one of it prevents Chief from assassinating Truth
last anchor
I mean the Covenant in scenes where its just them talking refer to themselves as...
Thats all in-game stuff. In universe they have species names for themselves, they were just simplified in the Bungie games for ease.
5 specifically uses the proper titles that I remember.
pulsar pivot
Yes
last anchor
Grunts are Unggoy
Elites are Sangheili
Brutes are Jiralhanne
Drones are Yane'me (I think, dont quote me on the spelling)
Jackals are Kig-Yar
Engineers are Huragok.
Prophets are San'Shyuum.
Hunters are (techincally) Mgalekgolo, gesalts of the singular Lekgolo worms.
And then theres stuff like the Yon'het
pulsar pivot
Yup
pale imp
hello there. Do any of you lore afficionadi ever log in to the BTB channels? I rarely come across your breed.
gilded mason
Nah, I don't see any reason to venture outside of this channel, on this server.
terse lava
Likewise, General is stupidly chaotic, and Infinite well...just kinda stinks now
humble yacht
you mean the game?
terse lava
No not the game itself. Just when I have been in there, people just complaining/mocking/begging for stuff in Infinite
terse lava
shrug pretty much i guess. This place is greatly more civilized most of the time
Compared to the guys there
jade wave
I am only in this discord for this channel
terse lava
Sounds about right
pale imp
I always assumed lore enthusiasts would be a minority but if you don't play together here, where else would you go? Do you guys even play together?
terse lava
A fair chunk of us also work on the halopedia, so we have that too
gilded mason
<@260910412080480256> aww, you make me big sad Ostral
Aww, if it's you then it's okay.
terse lava
👍
unique rune
Funny that the subject of playing together was brought up. I think I ran into Ado in a game of BTB Assault last night.
pulsar pivot
hello there. Do any of you lore afficionadi ever log in to the BTB channels? I r...
I go into general a lot but If someone has a different opinion i stay away from mentioning it
I would play halo with others but I'm just here for lore
pulsar pivot
Funny that the subject of playing together was brought up. I think I ran into Ad...
With how rarely I play multiplayer I dont think I've ever ran into yall unless yall have seen a McJackTastic
Or were playing halo reach multiplayer
Last night
pale imp
i play frequently. It'd be nice to have some lore conversations. I'm surprised to see/hear people sticking around a video game's lore more so than the video game itself. Particularly for Halo. At the risk of offending some here, I find the lore/story not to be all that deep/interesting and to have deteriorated significantly after Halo 3. I'm still fond of it (the old stuff) but if it weren't for the gameplay, I don't think there'd be much left to hook me. That's why I'd like to talk, while playing, with people who gravitate around this lore. Just to keep my mind open.
jade wave
The lore has significantly expanded after halo 3
I guess it is up to personal preference
on your enjoyment of it
pale imp
Yes, that goes without saying. To each their own. But like all matters of personal opinion, they are subject to change. For that change to take place, I'd like to play a few games with some of you all to hear and learn more about the lore.
jade wave
What do you find uninteresting or less deep about the current lore?
versed helm
I personally dislike that newer characters aren't being explored very deeply, but I feel like fans don't really want that, so I'm ok with that
pale imp
hold on, in an invasion game. haha.
jade wave
I personally dislike that newer characters aren't being explored very deeply, bu...
Which characters do you think of off the top of your head?
humble yacht
probably locke
versed helm
Which characters do you think of off the top of your head?
locke, buck, pretty much all of the spartans showed in 5
But I feel like Halo villains have become a lot better, they have better motives now imo, truth was just kinda insane for the sake of it
jade wave
I agree with all of those besides buck. Buck was in a full game and two books I believe
versed helm
Yeah I meant characterization in game
its a common complaint that they get too little characterization in game, and in ODST it was more his personality than his background
jade wave
Yeah thats true, halo 5 didn't really do any justice to any new characters
versed helm
I do like how they're exploring Chief though
jade wave
yeah I like that
versed helm
he actually feels a lot more like a fully fleshed character
cant wait to see what they do with infinite
pale imp
No good story comes to mind, in which the hero, after accomplishing his journey, comes back. You have to know when to end your book and provide closure. Tolkien did have thoughts of revisiting middle earth after lord of the rings, but ultimately decided not to. He knew when to end. I think Master Chief dieing through sacrifice, christ-like almost, to put an end to the flood at the end of halo 3 ties the knot in a biblical confrontation on the ark beyond the galaxy is a perfect ending. You couldn't come back to that: what warrants the return of a hero after saving the galaxy. And I think that what I say about no good story exists (to my knowledge) where a hero returns after their journey holds true. There is no threat, or challenge left, worthy of our hero to come back to. It diminishes the story.
versed helm
Which is why a threat was provided
Master Chief even asked to be awoken when he was needed again
pale imp
I think its a little too transparent that this is a franchise and they have to continue the story of MC for marketing. It's not bold. And this is demonstrated in lackluster opponents for the chief. He defeated the flood. He bows to no-one. The didact, Cortana...these cannot raise the stakes as the original franchise could.
versed helm
Well, to each their own
I honestly thought the flood WAS kinda lackluster. They were a lot more fearsome in the books, but you never actually had a fully fledged Gravemind encounter, you only interacted with him indirectly
Plus after two games with the same exact type of enemy with no variation, adding a ranged unit and a glorified hunter hardly brought back the novelty
jade wave
I think its a little too transparent that this is a franchise and they have to c...
They tried to move beyond him and the fanbase reacted hostilely to it, albiet locke was not a very good character
pale imp
Right. If you finish the legendary ending. Which I assume we all did. But that's who he is, a soldier who never gives up. He's to stay in cryo-sleep until we need him. Ragnarok. The end of times. Requiem, the didact, and left over covenant forces. Hardly the stuff of legend. So, that's where it deteriorates imo.
static lichen
yall ever wonder if halo man had sexual thoughts about arbiter? like they were spending a lot of time together, and speaking from experience, when you sp;end that much time with a bunk buddy you tend to develop some weird thoughts. like, as youre laying there at night, you think about how big their two guy is.'
versed helm
Fighting a forerunner with a grudge isn't legendary?
pale imp
Does anybody have know of a story, video game or not, in which a hero returns?
You could argue that the hobbits do vanquish Saruman after the destruction of the ring, as a tagged on final adventure. Luckily that wasn't put into the movies.
versed helm
Does anybody have know of a story, video game or not, in which a hero returns?
Y...
Halo
Doom
crimson ridge
im halo lore massah
crimson ridge
let me help you all see clarity with my lore knowledge
versed helm
You can still create meaningful stories after a threat has been removed
crimson ridge
so
versed helm
its called an arc
pale imp
I guess you're right. But none of these are good examples in my book.
versed helm
Games make arcs, and trilogies, and sagas to seperate different arcs
versed helm
halo's doing the same thing
crimson ridge
nonsense
pale imp
Well no. That's not what an arc is. An arc has a beginning a middle and an end. If you keep coming back to square one, there never truly is an end.
crimson ridge
u will get on ur knees
versed helm
Its not coming back to square one
its simply a new story
Look at Harry potter books for instance
a lot of them are self contained plots with an overall background narrative
static lichen
Hey do you guys think master chief was religious? If so, what religion? I think he may have been muslim. Theres a lot of evidence for it.
versed helm
Are you joking
He was raised in the military
unless the UNSC indoctrinated him to be a muslim, I doubt he's religious
static lichen
The military is very religious
crimson ridge
I mean there are multiple points that direct him to believing in the islam religion
static lichen
There are hundreds of practicing chaplains for all religions
versed helm
Halo... takes place in an alternate reality...
static lichen
Wheres your source
crimson ridge
are u saying that religion didn't exist in that reality
pale imp
The Harry Potter series have closure at the end of book 7. You learn why Harry had the scar on his forehead from book 1. You could technically pick up HP at book 5, but to call that a complete story is quite a stretch.
crimson ridge
that's bigotry
versed helm
Wheres your source
Idk man, you seen any forerunner relics laying around?
versed helm
The Harry Potter series have closure at the end of book 7. You learn why Harry h...
yeah
static lichen
That is a weak argument
versed helm
an overarching plot, with self contained stories
the only self contained stories in mainline Halo games are Halo CE and Halo 4
Plus, 343 aren't continuing the previous saga, they're making a new one
its been branded like that since the release of Halo 4
crimson ridge
wheres ur evidince unsatisfactory
versed helm
for what?
crimson ridge
there being no religion
versed helm
I never said that
crimson ridge
false
versed helm
Man if you're gonna troll, just say that
crimson ridge
I'm not i'm very serious
versed helm
I don't really feel like talking about religion, im an atheist
then link where I said there was no religion in Halo
quote it
versed helm
hilarious
crimson ridge
@static lichen source?
static lichen
I made it up
pale imp
youre getting trolled by a dog and a cat
crimson ridge
why is the only african american soldier johnson in the halo series?
humble yacht
he's not
crimson ridge
source?
unique rune
If Johnson was the only one you ever noticed you must not have been paying very close attention
humble yacht
Jameson Locke is black, Emile is black
pale imp
who said johnson was african american, i thought he was from planet harvest
static lichen
@versed helm What is your military background to be making assessments about the religion within the UNSC?
versed helm
Jameson Locke is black, Emile is black
EMILE IS BLACK?
humble yacht
yes
jade wave
who said johnson was african american, i thought he was from planet harvest
He was from Chicago actually
crimson ridge
I'm actually blind I have my pet dog write out my messages for me and explain what was going on in the halo games and stories...
versed helm
massive helmet
unique rune
...Congratulations?
humble yacht
don't pretend to be blind, it's not becoming or appropriate
crimson ridge
source?
static lichen
I'm black so I can talk about it
crimson ridge
source admerialjeb
pale imp
its ok, you dont have to be black to "talk about it"
static lichen
Im black
crimson ridge
about what
humble yacht
that doesn't matter here
static lichen
Yeah it does
humble yacht
let's switch back to talking about halo lore without trolling, pls and thx
static lichen
Okay
crimson ridge
oh ok
static lichen
?
unique rune
no
versed helm
AdmiralJeb is trying to speedrun mute? lmao
crimson ridge
lmao!
static lichen
Unsatisfactory debate me on live.... you will not live long
pale imp
an overarching plot, with self contained stories
happy to talk more about it once the pets are put to sleep
silent fractal
Do mr halo and corona kiss?
versed helm
happy to talk more about it once the pets are put to sleep
I'm good, honestly I'm not a big fan of the debate
Its pretty much pointless
pale imp
suit yourself
unique rune
This is the worst ban speedrun I’ve ever seen
humble yacht
just ignore him
crimson ridge
ok
crimson ridge
dude i think he's trying to troll me grr rrr
it's haram to troll admiraeljeb
didn't u know
static lichen
@crimson ridge I saw a source that said that Master Chief was on a strict keto diet for Halo CE. Which is why there were two of him. Because of the keto. You should research it.
crimson ridge
source?
static lichen
I made it up
crimson ridge
oh ok
static lichen
@terse cave What do you think
crimson ridge
@terse cave there is a imposter amogus....
static lichen
Sus
I feel like arbiter was pretty sussy not gonna lie
ARBITER!!! WHY ARE YOU SUCH A SUSSY BAKA!!!! 🦁 GRRRRRR
silent fractal
Hi guys I'm new to halo and don't really know much can someone explain to me the lore behind the guardians from halo 5?
(thats the only one i've played and it was really good)
gilded mason
Hi guys I'm new to halo and don't really know much can someone explain to me the...
Police lesser systems to keep them in line.
silent fractal
source?
gilded mason
Halo 5?
silent fractal
I don't get it
gilded mason
Exuberant Witness tells ya that.
versed helm
Guardians were used by the forerunners to keep star systems from like, rebelling and stuff
static lichen
Weird stuff.
silent fractal
u going for a promo? @versed helm
main frost
Get back to halo chat
versed helm
wait why did my message get deleted
silent fractal
yeah
main frost
Halo or not at all
versed helm
?
humble yacht
Doz Unsatisfactory is fine
crimson ridge
do I need to change my profile picture to halo too or?
sick wagon
hi
versed helm
hi
sick wagon
when is the new halo game coming
humble yacht
fall 2021
sick wagon
how do you know
gilded mason
343 literally said so.
humble yacht
because 343 said so
gilded mason
We do not know.
humble yacht
he survived
versed helm
He is on the infinity training spartan 4s
sick wagon
will he be on the new halo
sick wagon
i miss johnson
versed helm
He's in Halo War 2
versed helm
Missing in Action
humble yacht
that doesn't apply to Johnson
sick wagon
whos the the boss in halo 2 i forgot
sick wagon
did the elite died
sick wagon
who killed noble six
versed helm
Random elites
sick wagon
i thougt it was abriter
versed helm
High rank zealots
honest helm
Arbiter killed Noble 6😳🤔
versed helm
I thought it was the Abriter too but I don't really know
honest helm
It’s not the arbiter
jade wave
it is fan theory
honest helm
He was on a cruiser being supreme commander of the entire fleet
versed helm
Yeah
sick wagon
master cheif is in fornite
sick wagon
i wish halo was on the ps4 and xbox
honest helm
Huh
versed helm
I mean there would be no reason to buy an Xbox besides gamepass
They can't really give halo to playstation or nintendo
honest helm
eh I still play Gears
versed helm
I wanna get into gears
sick wagon
gears wars
sick wagon
but they died
honest helm
Did the Arbiter kill them too???
versed helm
No
honest helm
I think he did
honest helm
It was one of the crimson zealots that sniped Kat
sick wagon
i wish the covid 19 was gone
honest helm
I do a little trolling I know Arby was in space
humble yacht
don't troll
versed helm
I mean zealots are crimson
honest helm
Zealots are gold usually
humble yacht
Reach zealots were special zealots
versed helm
The mist zealoty zealots
honest helm
They had a specific squad name
sick wagon
dexter
versed helm
Blue team 
humble yacht
no, they didn't have a specific squad name
honest helm
They were hunting Noble Team. If you notice the zealots caught them throughout the campaign
versed helm
honest helm
I guess they’re just a zealot strike team then
sick wagon
why those aliens wanted to kill them
honest helm
Winter Contingency
versed helm
Covenant
sick wagon
yea
humble yacht
The zealots in reach were a Forerunner artifact retrieval team
versed helm
I mean the zealots hunted down noble because noble six/5 killed a few zealots that were possibly a part of their team in the first mission
sick wagon
i plau
honest helm
What are the odds that they had a field Marshall that escaped winter contingency and then later sniped Kat. Zealots can retrieve artifacts or hunt Spartans
sick wagon
also i beat halo reach halo 2 3 and 4
humble yacht
it's not confirmed to be the same field marshal, but it could have been
honest helm
The zealot team was named Devoted Sentries
versed helm
They got took out easily too bad it costed the lives of 5 spartans hahahahah
sick wagon
do you like doom or halo
honest helm
it's not confirmed to be the same field marshal, but it could have been
It’s confirmed on the wiki now
sick wagon
i like halo
versed helm
Same
honest helm
I need to try DOOM
versed helm
Yeah but you probably can't play 4 or reach :p
You could, for about five seconds before your laptop implodes
sick wagon
i like halo reach and 3
versed helm
Me too
versed helm
You could, for about five seconds before your laptop implodes
Enough time to win 5 games of swat and 47 games of ffa
versed helm
Anyone ever wonder why ONI is the way it is?
gilded mason
Because they lust for power.
sick wagon
whos oni
versed helm
...
Evil
The CIA of the Halo universe
They tried to kill master chief and Arbiter
Multiple occasions
They really like assassinating people
Or trying to
I hope I don't vanish after saying this
ONI SU- (vanishes for most definitely unknown reasons)
Die standing or live kneeling
(Probably killed by a elite)
sick wagon
hello
versed helm
Kilo five noises
sick wagon
hi toy
main frost
If they do sticky tossing is an event
versed helm
Grunt tossing
No wonder grunts are thag good
Catch skull is lore accurate confirmed
All skulls are
Especially Arachnaphobia
I messed up the word but I don't care
I hope infinite has more skulls that have meme potential
Maybe
Like imagine a skull that allows you to throw grunts instead of
Miniature power silos
Wyen you kill an enemy you get a slow mo mode for 5 seconds
And I love it
John Wick
Having a sniper rifle would never be the same
sick wagon
halo is having good aliens
versed helm
Very interesting aliens
So is Mass Effect
Ah yes
I kind of want to see a new Enemy type
The banished is here
😐 
I mean a new species
Yeah
The halo Universe needs something else
sick wagon
will they have halo wars 3
versed helm
They dont plan on having one
The banished is a rebel faction of the Covenant that broke off and slowly gained power during the human Covenant war, lead by atriox, they stole weapons and ordnance from both Covenant and unsc. Their first appearance was in Halo Wars 2
Mainly brute lead
But it could be their last too, depending on how things go
As well with other species besides humans
I don't really think so
But that's never the case with Halo
Halo infinite is taking place on zeta halo and the banished still have stuff on the ark
sick wagon
i love halo 3 and 2
versed helm
True
I want to see how they implement the high stakes into this one
Only way to find out is playing
But all we can do until then is speculate
For now
sick wagon
i love you pepole
versed helm
Thanks
sick wagon
and i wish halo was on ios
versed helm
In a way, it is
Oh wait nevermind
🪓
We getting out our weapons, then?
Bloody right mate
🏹
Range wins
🪚
I will throw this at you
🪃
I will catch that
I will repeatedly throw this at you
⚔️
You asked for it
A duel?
So be it
So it shall!
sick wagon
whats yoy
versed helm
yoy?
sick wagon
you
versed helm
Alright mate toime to get shanked!
Oi oi ye got a shivving license for dat?
versed helm
This is lore accurate to chief and watden eternal in infinite, me and @versed helm are time travelers
sick wagon
f
boreal bane
This is lore accurate to chief and watden eternal in infinite, me and <@45622657...
I'm asking nicely
sick wagon
who me
versed helm
Ight
He replied to me
Anyways
How many factions of the Covenant did atriox take in
Like silent shadow and what not
That was one of them, yes
sick wagon
i hope in the new halo game atirox might be the final boss
versed helm
Ik
There were others mentioned in 'Shadows of Reach'
It's most likely gonna be escharum
Ah
Keepers of the one light
I think that's the name
Are they elites?
jade wave
They are brute led
versed helm
Ight
With a few elites
Pretty weird name for brutes
Finnaly brutes and elite getting along
jade wave
They are staunch believers of the Great Journey
versed helm
Yeah
jade wave
They even take in humans
versed helm
Dang
They are a more progressive strand
I mean, it's 2559
Probably the most sensible group because humans are the only ones able to use forerunner stuff
And forerunners but yknow
And that has to count for something
🥨
sick wagon
hi
versed helm
Hi
They might think that the humans are reincarnated forerunners, which was the case up until halo 3
We really know almost nothing.
They give more questions than answers
Some aren't even answered he
sick wagon
i hate dying in halo
versed helm
Same but most of the time it's your fault
It allows you to learn from it
I wouldn't mind having some factions of the banished join the UNSC at some point of the game
Probably won't
Maybe if they rebeled from the banished
Imagine just from our involvement we start yet another civil war amongst an alien alliance
Pretty hypocritical
I'm still made there weren't any hunters or grunts helping in halo 3 :(
honest helm
Lore wise they were
versed helm
But we had flood
honest helm
Which makes me feel better
Bungie’s OG plan was to have good guy Hunters in Halo 3 :(
versed helm
Wowwee
If only everything that was planned for halo 3 actually happened
Like, what we have is fantastic already
honest helm
They said it would be too confusing if there were good grunts and bad grunts etc.
versed helm
Understandable
honest helm
A sentinel was about to fry the warthog at the end of Halo 3 but he shot it just in time so that Arby and Chief could stick the landing
versed helm
Could it have been the same grunt in that last mission next to the ramp?
versed helm
The Guardian angel of arby n chief
timid wolf
What exactly was Cortana's solution to the flood?
pulsar pivot
Probably that ring we saw
stable flower
A lot of things come up in 3 but get forgotten about soon after
versed helm
Although she has been a witness to 2 separate events that prove you don't need a ring to dispose of the flood, she'll probably try to activate it anyways
versed helm
A lot of things come up in 3 but get forgotten about soon after
I wouldn't say forgotten, more or less put aside for some reason or another
stable flower
Yeah, that
Like in Floodgate, we're tasked with overloading the Flood ship's engine cores, then the Elites come and that task is dropped as they thought Cortana was on the ship. So instead of blowing it up, the Elites just glass the place.
Also, we never really visit Voi. I was hoping for an urban level. Instead, we just explore the industrial areas.
versed helm
What else was forgotten in your case
stable flower
The aforementioned solution to stopping the Flood without firing remaining rings.
jade wave
The firing of the rings is the best solution for a galaxy wide infestation
stable flower
If they aren't put aside, they're unexplained, like how Johnson somehow knows how to pilot a frigate by himself
jade wave
Perhaps the frigate had an AI installed capable of that
pulsar pivot
Mabye
My question is how was there still power to the Forward into Dawn after being split in 2 and 7 years with no repairs done
humble yacht
The generators were in the back
pulsar pivot
Oh
humble yacht
Cortana probably powered them down to conserve power.
pulsar pivot
Makes sense
bronze vale
I actually wondered that too
humble yacht
The engines themselves might be the generators. That’s how it works sometimes with things like ships and planes
stable flower
Shot in the dark but shouldn't Sesa have been referred to as a heresiarch?
stable flower
unique rune
I mean. You could call him that if you really wanted to and it’d be accurate.
terse lava
Really, Sesa would be more an apostate then a heretic
pulsar pivot
Ye
hasty geyser
There's like 300 Spartan-III's unaccounted for, right? All of Gamma besides the three teams in GoO
sick wagon
Good Moring pepole
violet notch
Like in Floodgate, we're tasked with overloading the Flood ship's engine cores, ...
That's actually because of development cuts. Elements and layout from the mission that eventually became Cortana, especially the part where you're overloading High Charity's core, were originally part of that mission, and took place inside that ship. They later cut trimmed that mission down, and reused assets for the later mission Cortana.
Marty O'Donnell revealed this in an interview I saw.
hasty geyser
I'm just gonna say yes
ember urchin
I noticed recentlly that the ship that master chief wakes up in in Halo 4, is alot bigger then the one we see him going to sleep in in Halo 3's ending. I'm not a big lore guy myself so I'm wondering if there's a explenation for this or if its just another mistake from 343.
jade wave
There's like 300 Spartan-III's unaccounted for, right? All of Gamma besides the ...
They are allegedly all apart of the new Spartan branch
humble yacht
I noticed recentlly that the ship that master chief wakes up in in Halo 4, is al...
It’s not really a mistake. It’s a gameplay thing. Just like with the Maw in CE, the level had to be in a form that’s playable, this largely meant ignoring the outer look/shape/size of the ship
ember urchin
Thanks i was really confused
hasty geyser
They are allegedly all apart of the new Spartan branch
However, by July 2553, ONI decided to reassign the remaining Gamma Company Spartans to more covert roles, Admiral Margaret Parangosky having deemed their destabilizing augmentations an unacceptable public relations hazard to the fledgling Spartan branch. As of July 6, 2553, ONI had not yet fully decided on the future of most of the surviving Gammas, although they were planned to be assigned to roles that would mitigate the risks of their enhancements.
Got this from Halopedia and it lists Last Light as the source. So most of Gamma didn't join the Spartan branch. I'm curious as to what 'roles that would mitigate the risks of their enhancements' would actually be 🤔
humble yacht
Desk jobs
hasty geyser
smh Kurt, wasting all that trauma and indoctrination
stable flower
That's actually because of development cuts. Elements and layout from the missio...
Oh I forgot about that
astral sapphire
I had a lot of mixed feelings about Kurt up until the end of Ghosts of Onyx.
I couldn't decide if I liked him or disliked him.
hasty geyser
I think Kurt was wholly a product of his upbringing
I mean everyone involved in the Spartan programs were morally ambiguous at the absolute best
astral sapphire
That's very true.
pulsar pivot
How do fire teams assign members does the leader choose or does command choose
jade wave
I doubt Kurt thought of how Gamma company would be used after the war
He only saw them fighting covenant probably
slim thorn
How do fire teams assign members does the leader choose or does command choose
I will think that Musa and Jun will assign them to some fireteam. Some fireteams are exception such as Alpha-Nine.
Buck requests Jun and Musa to re-establish his ODST Squad team by having his old teammates into Alpha-Nine again.
hasty geyser
I doubt Kurt thought of how Gamma company would be used after the war
That's a very good point
slim thorn
And furthermore, Gretchen will take Rookie's place.
pulsar pivot
Poor rookie
slim thorn
Wife and husband spartans yay.
2 pairs, in fact, at Alpha-Nine (If we count Buck and Dare).
Without rookie, Romeo and Mickey will just rant at each other.
Rookie:
Mickey and Romeo rants of being single.
Buck, Dare, Gretchen, and Dutch rants about couple life.
No Rookie:
Mickey and Romeo brace themselves for duo couple rants.
fair hazel
Sade isn’t spartan and not officially alpha nine
slim thorn
Not Sade, Dare.
stable flower
Mickey will probably go back to being an innie at one point (its in his blood, so yeah)
fair hazel
I don't know why I said Sade, I meant dare.
slim thorn
Dare is not a Spartan, but she's often involved in Alpha-Nine affairs.
astral sapphire
Alpha-Nine was an ODST team originally but now a team of 5 Spartan-IV's, right?
slim thorn
Yes, it was now a Spartan Team. They also have Dare as mission command from ONI.
last anchor
How do fire teams assign members does the leader choose or does command choose
Most expereinced member leads the team, but their job is mostly ceremonial. Each member of the team is expected to do their job to the fullest and show intitive, innovation, and coordination.
pulsar pivot
I dont think anyone understood my question
pulsar pivot
Who assigns fireteam members to fireteams
last anchor
WHICH Fireteams
Every branch of the UNSC military uses them except MAYBE the Coast Guard/Space Guard (the dudes who go out and save people in trapped ships and stuff)
slim thorn
Every branch of the UNSC military uses them except MAYBE the Coast Guard/Space G...
I think what he's talking about is who has the authority to assign members of the fireteams, and who has the authority to choose the leader of the fireteam.
last anchor
Thats higher up the chain of command then yes
Ex; Colonel Holland, Noble Teams direct superior, rotating in Noble Six after Thom's demise
slim thorn
Buck is an exception, though, since he request Palmer and probably Jun to reinstate Alpha-Nine.
pulsar pivot
I think what he's talking about is who has the authority to assign members of th...
Exactly what I meant
last anchor
Alpha-Nine was a proven team to begin with.
No reason to mess up an existing squad with proven track
slim thorn
Yeah, but it was like dissolved after Mickey's rebellion.
last anchor
And then reinstated following Bad Blood
slim thorn
And even jun and Palmer are reluctant to bring Alpha-Nine back to services, aware that one of them is a rebel.
pulsar pivot
Hold on Mickey turned insurgent?
slim thorn
Yep. He was the cause Alpha-Nine went disbanded for two-three years.
slim thorn
Dutch and Gretchen are returning to services as Spartan.
Gretchen will fill in Rookie's role.
pulsar pivot
So the rest of the team turned spartan 4
slim thorn
All of them.
pulsar pivot
Interesting
slim thorn
Buck, Mickey, Dutch, Gretchen, and Romeo becomes Spartan-IV, and Dare also remains at Alpha-Nine for ONI missions.
Basically we got two pairs of couples at Alpha-Nine.
last anchor
Now they're operating on her behalf to fight the Created
slim thorn
My guess is Mickey and Romeo will share their feelings to each other of being single, probably looking at Buck - Dare or Dutch - Gretchen bickers as a couple.
If Rookie was still alive, he will be the central of Alpha-Nine's daily rants.
last anchor
And thats why he died. He didnt wanna deal with ANY of that XD
stable flower
I wonder how it would play out if humans went to the Threshold Gas Mine and encountered Sesa's heretics?
stable flower
Hold on Mickey turned insurgent?
He has insurgent blood in him so yeah
slim thorn
Well... Morgan Kinsano was an insurgent as well, but she decides to join UNSC because she was able to burn the covenant with more liberation.
inner basin
The reason Mickey became a turncoat was more due to mental manipulation.
I will say he also felt uncomfortable fighting other humans, but that alone wasn’t enough to cause him to become a turncoat, if anything, he could’ve just resigned if that was bothering him because if he became a turncoat for that reason, he’d still be fighting humans
slim thorn
If he's uncomfortable, he could just work with Dutch when he chooses to resign.
inner basin
But he didn’t resign. He kept up his military tenure. I just brought up how uncomfortable he felt killing other humans as firstly, he originally signed up to kill aliens (for obvious reasons), and secondly, it was just to have it noted in there that it actually wasn’t the reason he went on to be a turncoat
slim thorn
Chief also hates fighting humans, as he wants to subdue them, rather than killing them.
hasty geyser
Would it be accurate to say a spartan has a greater sense of duty to their spartan brethren than to the unsc?
slim thorn
No, man. It's already encompassed in John's personality that he wishes to avoid confrontation with humans as much as possible. Remember when Chief is conducting a self-defense when ODST bullies him at the gym.
sullen tusk
Valk pretty much just said that chief probably has the same sense of duty to his Spartan brethren and to the UNSC
pulsar pivot
Would it be accurate to say a spartan has a greater sense of duty to their spart...
I think it's around the same
sullen tusk
Also I wanted to ask are elites like honorable. Like I know they are elegant and royal like but I’m not exactly sure if they’re honorable or not
At least I’m pretty sure they’re honorable
And if they are honorable like then what to they consider honorable
limpid meadow
No, man. It's already encompassed in John's personality that he wishes to avoid ...
There's a difference between not wanting to fight your fellow service members and not wanting to fight Humans at all. John has no issue fighting Humans. He does prefer to avoid hurting his fellow service members if he can avoid it.
versed helm
How strong is armor lock? I mean in canon could it be strong enough to protect you from maybe an entire meteor landing on you?
sullen tusk
Well that’s a bit specific
jade wave
And if they are honorable like then what to they consider honorable
They have a martial sense of honor
last anchor
How strong is armor lock? I mean in canon could it be strong enough to protect y...
We dont know. Its never mentioned in lore outside of its apperance in Reach.
versed helm
Ahhh
slim thorn
One thing for sure is the Armor Lock can resist several kilometers of landing with equipment or item support. Chief and Noble Six survives the landing thanks to the Armor Lock.
Chief uses Armor Lock while supported by one of the Anodyne Spirit's hull, and Six uses it when he use re-entry equipment after Jorge toss him out.
limpid meadow
One thing for sure is the Armor Lock can resist several kilometers of landing wi...
Locking one's armor (like what N6 & Jorge do, or what Chief did in H3) is different from Armor Lock or Armor Lockup
slim thorn
Isn't that the same?
limpid meadow
Armor Lock, the AA, work by basically generating a powerful shield. Locking the armor is done by modifying the density of the gel layer
last anchor
Armor Lock most likely involves diverting all avalible power from the suits pzieoelectric psudo-muscles into the shield emitters to produce a barrier thats far stronger than the normal one, resulting in the Spartan having to stay still while its active.
"Locking your armor" is just hyperpressurizing the gel layer and securing the "soft" parts (especially around the joints and neck most likely). Thats something all forms of MJLONIR have been able to do for years
last anchor
Chief uses Armor Lock while supported by one of the Anodyne Spirit's hull, and S...
Also, Fred and Red Team in First Strike use it to (mostly) survive a massive fall from low orbit to Reach's surface, and Six and Jorge both use it to survive the Falcon crash inside the dome projected by Spire One on Reach.
It also came into play in Ghosts of Onyx, when Innies used grav-sensors to trick Blue Team's armor into thinking they were in a high-G enviroment and overpressurize their suits to compensate
fair hazel
Hi no. Locking armour is not armour lock. Those are different things.
boreal bane
fair hazel
Wooooo
sullen tusk
Is that a fake beard made out of wood?
Also is that a Spartan helmet on his shoulder cuz I actually kinda like that
humble yacht
Probably bone
gilded mason
Also is that a Spartan helmet on his shoulder cuz I actually kinda like that
Yeah, Locke's faceplate
sullen tusk
It has his same colors
queen nexus
Hey guys, I want to get deep into Halo Lore.
So can anyone DM me any thing that will help me understand.
Not games or novels though.
Much help appreciated.
Thanks a lot if you will.
inner basin
Yeah, Locke's faceplate
Oh no, what have you started
sullen tusk
But I don’t this it’s his
sullen tusk
Lemme get a pic real quick
Well it might be
Cuz his helmet could’ve gotten a redesign
gilded mason
There is no reason at all narrative-wise to give him a faceplate that has the same color scheme and design as Locke's unless it was Locke's, y'know?
sullen tusk
But it’s not his halo 5 helmet for sure
Well Locke has a green ish visor, some lil yellow highlights, and his armor is a bit more blue actually
But it is roughly similar
limpid meadow
That could be due to any number of reasons. Locke's visor is blue in a lot of the toys.
limpid meadow
It's almost certainly meant to be Locke's helmet, but that doesn't mean he's dead.
gilded mason
Ye
unique rune
I know it’s just concept art but I’m still not sold on the look of the new Banished characters we’ve gotten.
inner basin
Tovarus is the one I’m not sure of. I don’t mind Hyperius’ concept design
gilded mason
Flat faces and no tusks. 😔
unique rune
The armor design just seems a bit too sleek and smooth to me thus far. Missing the sorta layered and jagged look I really liked from HW2.
versed helm
Understandable.
inner basin
But then again, you need to remember that it is a concept, not necessarily the actual in-game models that would be rendered correctly, not to mention having textures on their armour. At least I’d like to hope that’s the case
sullen tusk
I’d tbh would kinda like if it was lockes helmet
Gives him far more of a dark feel
Though the wood or whatever he has on him seems wierd
inner basin
Could be a souvenir of one of his battles
unique rune
Huh. Wonder how I missed the announcement for Divine Wind.
gilded mason
Wowza
sullen tusk
Wait does he have Spartan finger armor on his necklace
gilded mason
Huh. Wonder how I missed the announcement for *Divine Wind*.
I do wish the cover art was less...trace-y.
versed helm
Why did the banished want their own halo ring?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
carmine sleet
Unknown but most likely not to fire it since that wouldn't make much sense
humble yacht
Probably to scare other factions into submission
gilded mason
"But...but you'll die, too."
"...Oh yeah."
versed helm
Yeah I confused because they do not believe in the great journey
inner basin
"But...but you'll die, too."
"...Oh yeah."
Literally what I was about to say lol. It’s a very flawed plan
carmine sleet
Could be for a dead man's trigger type situation so to speak, only on a much larger scale
"If you don't give us what we want, we'll take out everyone in this section of the galaxy including ourselves"
gilded mason
As expected of somebody as awful as Atriox.
humble yacht
"If you don't give us what we want, we'll take out everyone in this section of t...
Wouldn’t it be the whole galaxy? Or do halos no longer trigger the whole installation themselves?
gilded mason
I guess there's a setting that can make it only fire one ring?
humble yacht
How would the banished know that?
gilded mason
Seemed to be like that with 08, unless the argument there was just because it was unfinished
gilded mason
How would the banished know that?
Dunno
humble yacht
Guilty spark set it up for a tactical pulse
versed helm
tactical halo activation
timid wolf
Hey guys, I want to get deep into Halo Lore.
So can anyone DM me any thing that...
lot of stuff comes from novels and comics though
queen nexus
lot of stuff comes from novels and comics though
true maybe I will give them another shot
timid wolf
im not a huge fan of books but i could read any halo book any day and not get bored. personal experience
timid wolf
I secretly watch hidden Xperia
i mean if you don't have time it's fine ig
versed helm
I do have time I just don’t want people to call me a nerd
Although they most likely won’t
timid wolf
suit yourself
versed helm
Yeah…
unique rune
I feel like you should find other people to talk to if you're afraid of being called a nerd.
Or reevaluate some other priorities.
versed helm
No I just worry too much lol
gilded mason
Don't worry, nobody cares if you read Halo stuff
versed helm
Yay
dawn knot
Geeks suck tho <:uny:474383778782117898>
Nerds are cool, Geeks are nerds but spend all their paycheck on figures and other things
slim thorn
I prefer to think that the Banished wants to control the ring as a deterrant for other faction.
inner basin
I mean there is significance about the Auditorium for them as well, whatever the Auditorium is. Reckon maybe that’s why they want to control Zeta Halo specifically?
slim thorn
Banished wants to control Installations to deter other faction.
pulsar pivot
I mean there is significance about the Auditorium for them as well, whatever the...
Probably
inner basin
Banished wants to control Installations to deter other faction.
I mean that’s not a really solid plan, as if the opposition resists, they’ll just be killing themselves, well that is if they have the Index and a Reclaimer
slim thorn
Banished's purpose was to raid and deter other faction, so it's like they want to use intimidation as one of the main doctrines.
inner basin
Again, using a ring isn’t a good threat. Most major factions know what the rings do and know that the Banished would just be wiping themselves out
They also need a Reclaimer too
pulsar pivot
It works though doesnt it
void oar
Can chief or any other spartans rip through titanium or any hard metals?
humble yacht
maybe a thin sheet
inner basin
Such a specific question lol
cobalt thunder
Hey it’s just curiosity lol I can also ask specific questions
Like can the chief rip the arbiter to pieces
gilded mason
Nah
humble yacht
a brute would have an easier time doing that
shut dew
How could In-Character Rebirth-onward Superman put an end to the Human-Covenant war?
humble yacht
dumb question but he'd just destroy the rings and the ark by flying through them a bunch of times
shut dew
I don't think in-character superman would do that
humble yacht
Sure he would
The rings and the ark have no life on them
And the only kill
That would be the easiest way to demoralize the covenant without killing anyone
drowsy mesa
The rings and the ark have no life on them
They have life; wild life, but life nevertheless
jade wave
Again, using a ring isn’t a good threat. Most major factions know what the rings...
They are not just using it as a threat they are denying an asset to any other faction that opposes them
inner basin
They are not just using it as a threat they are denying an asset to any other fa...
I would say yes, but that doesn’t fit the Banished MO
jade wave
Atriox seems like an intelligent leader who understands the significance of a Halo
drowsy mesa
Except the keepers
And that's what they want to do in the upcoming "Halo: Divine Wind"
gilded mason
I'm holdin' out hope that Veta can convince them that the Halos are not divine.
drowsy mesa
And maybe join forces with the SoF crew?
Although Castor will probably ally with the Covenant on the Anodyne Spirit
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
Nah, castor is too zealous to lose his faith. It’s one thing to believe in the great journey before the truth came out. I’m sure castor is well aware of the truth and chooses to reject it despite all available evidence
terse lava
Least he comes off as more reasonable then Tartarus did
pulsar pivot
"No elites big stupid and Brutes Big Brain ring go boom and we all go to divine land" (humans called it heaven)
slim thorn
And maybe join forces with the SoF crew?
That means Veta needs to talk with the XO of SoF, Commander Jerome. Of course, he will ask about the S-III since he never seen the S-III.
I could wish that Atriox will leave the matters of his troops to Pavium, though. He's one of the best commander for the Banished.
terse lava
Yeah, though Let needs some love too
slim thorn
Let was originally hired by Atriox. I guess his job is to secure another warship that can deal with the SoF.
versed helm
Is the halo theme canon in halo
versed helm
It's constantly playing in chief's head
fast harbor
I have a question
versed helm
Yeah?@fast harbor
fast harbor
If the elites left because the brute were taking over why didnt the grunts join as well, and i mean all of them, surely they wouls want to join them after what the covenant did to them
slim thorn
Grunts are practically a Fodder for both of them.
versed helm
If the elites left because the brute were taking over why didnt the grunts join ...
Some grunts were on the elites side during the schism but I think most of them died, as well there are ALOOOOOOT of grunts
fast harbor
Yea cause i just thought it was weird that after the covenant basically glassed their homeworkd they wouldve joined the elites
versed helm
They did revolt a few times but none worked
fast harbor
Ah yes
fast harbor
Oh yeah another thing how did panegent tangent (if thats how its spelled) let the flood breach as hard they did, what happened?
humble yacht
Penitent Tangent
He was a lazy monitor who didn’t check security and didn’t respond to warning signs
fast harbor
Ohh
chilly shuttle
Especially since the breach started in Cold Storage (MP map), and 2401 Penitent Tangent didn't respond to the local AI's warning.
fast harbor
So is the entire halo games lore based on a misprediction
chilly shuttle
?
humble yacht
the entire Covenant religion is based on a mistranslation
chilly shuttle
Aye
fast harbor
Think about it tho
The precursors thought that the forerunners were gonna be the heir to the throne
Them and ancient humanity
So if you think about it the precursors are really bad at being parents
humble yacht
the precursors intended for humanity to inherit the mantle. the forerunners attacked the precursors because they thought the precursors would wipe them out so humans could claim the mantle unhindered
there was no prediction involved
it was all reactionary
fast harbor
True
But if the precursors never made the forerunners in the first place would anciet humanity be the forerunners technically
Since there were no forerunners created
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fast harbor
Man what a thought
hasty geyser
How much did Hood know about the Spartan programs by, say, the end of the war?
inner basin
Not much more than other Naval Officers (who aren’t ONI). ONI kept as much as they could under the wraps
limpid meadow
I think Hood probably knows the basics, such as the Spartan-IIs being kidnapped children, but ultimately it hasn't been made clear. That's just my interpretation.
inner basin
Would he believe that though? Remember when Benjamin Giraud tried to bring it in front of the UEG to expose ONI and they thought he was just a crazy conspiracy theorist?
humble yacht
I’m sure the UNSC keeps all sorts of things from the ueg
limpid meadow
The UEG would also have a vested interest in keeping the truth of the Spartan-II program secret. That truth would reflect just as poorly on them as it would the UNSC.
main rivet
At some point, especially with how much more we've seen the Spartans out and about with additional books, it seems like the only way you wouldn't know shady business went down was if you were willfully ignorant.
Or I guess unable to do math.
I appreciated that Silent Storm realized that there's no way you can have teens, even augmented ones, show up and people won't notice that they're super-young.
The entire point of Hunt the Truth is basically ONI cleaning up the reality that the story for the Spartans makes no sense by deliberately setting it up to be rejected.
spiral jewel
I don't remember if HW2 and SoR mentioned anything, but how has the Banished, with how large the group is, managed to slide under the metaphorical nose of the Created
(Assuming that this makes sense)
nimble heart
Discussion-
Do you think Admiral Preston Cole survived his infamous battle of Psi Serpentis? If so, why?
humble yacht
I don't remember if HW2 and SoR mentioned anything, but how has the Banished, w...
Guardians are attracted to large scale battles. The banished just haven’t been making much noise. Though in SoR, the conflict attracts a guardian
main rivet
Discussion-
Do you think Admiral Preston Cole survived his infamous battle of Ps...
The strong implication from "The impossible Life..." is that he did. I think we're supposed to take the whole "decided he'd had enough of war" suggestion as the likeliest option.
I also assume that by and large the Banished are a far more mobile force, since they had to be under the Covenant. It's much easier to strike at stationary (planetary) targets, and that's what the Guardians were designed for.
As far as we know thus far, it's not like Cortana has Forerunner fleets at her disposal.
humble yacht
She doesn’t really need fleets
She’s tapped into pretty much every network and can just send a guardian to wherever she needs
main rivet
Fleets serve a different purpose.
You can't really use the Guardians to fill the same roles and vice versa.
humble yacht
Fleets are for destroying or occupation
Neither of which are her goals
Besides, prometheans also travel via slipspace so she doesn’t need ships to transport her main military forces.
spiral jewel
Side discussion kinda related:
Did Cortana and her forces have a backup plan in case , ya know, the Flood decided to rear their ugly heads again?
I assume that she would considering that she has knowledge of them...
humble yacht
Prometheans could probably deal with small outbreaks before they got too big
main rivet
The threat everyone knows about is on Halo installations, which I imagine she's interested in locking down.
terse lava
One would think she would have every halo under guard of a few guardians then
versed helm
What if you activated armor lock right when a flood parasite form is on your body
versed helm
Oh yeah true
pulsar pivot
What even does a guardian do
humble yacht
Takes away your Xbox
terse lava
Wasn't implying using the guardian against a flood outbreak, but tonkeep any craft from either leaving the ring, or preventing them from landing on it in the first place
limpid meadow
The shields seen with Armor Lock are seemingly generated by the module and independent from a user's normal shields (which would explain why Brutes can use Armor Lock in Halo Reach)
slim thorn
I don't remember if HW2 and SoR mentioned anything, but how has the Banished, w...
And the Banished style was to conduct a raid instead of engaging in a large-scale battle. The problem is they are not prepared to meet with UNSC that can use the same way as the Banished did, which SoF crew manages to eliminate Decimus by raiding its salvage operation and chipping its numbers.
fair hazel
support fleets to deliver materials needed for cortana's purposes
pulsar pivot
So what's this White Zealot fella I found in Oni Sword Base
pulsar pivot
Oh ok
pulsar pivot
I got a joke but I suddenly dont want to say it in case it breaks the rules
fast harbor
You know what i just love about the flood
They have so much intelligence and former power and still do
They conquered armys and planets and could go anywhere they wanted and even teleported high charity to the ark
But couldnt defeat a single spartan
That literally has nothing but power armour and an ar
🙂
blissful lantern
stable flower
I say the same about the Combine from Half-Life
fast harbor
I love the fact that a FORERUNNER with protection humanity or covenant hasnt even reached yet
Died to a spartans
With a ar
And power armour thats equal to dollar tree battle rifles
🙂
unique rune
Feels like you’re ignoring circumstances a bit but alright
gilded mason
Yeah, uh, bit of a large oversimplification.
fast harbor
I mean maybe but come on with armour and tech the didact had and cortana acting worse than a windows 6 computer i think the didact shoudlve had a bit more of a chance
Maybe im just over thinking it
Cortana was pretty smart so
limpid meadow
She held the Didact down so the Chief could stick a grenade in his armor, causing him to stumble off a light bridge.
And that didn't kill him, it just inconvenienced him.
fast harbor
True
limpid meadow
Now, if you want to get into the events of Escalation, that does get into the questionable territory.
fast harbor
Yea ill have to learn more about that cause i forgot alot of what happened
gilded mason
Though at least there, they couldn't really hurt him, and had to resort to getting help from a monitor to contain him.
limpid meadow
Yeah, but the Didact was toying with them the entire time. At least in H4, the Didact took the Chief seriously during the 2nd encounter, only stopped because of the Cortana fragments.
gilded mason
Ye
limpid meadow
There's no excuse for his actions in Escalation, especially since he'd previously kill MIKE FOXTROTING BLACK TEAM!
I will never let that go.
fast harbor
R.I.P
gilded mason
It was such an odd decision
fast harbor
Man that made me think about noble team lol
Was their anyway reach couldve been saved
fast harbor
And the only reason earth survived was because of the schism and the flood right?
stable flower
Even the UNSC's main military hub couldn't survive the Covenant
gilded mason
And the only reason earth survived was because of the schism and the flood right...
Yup
fast harbor
So it seems the prophets their own army up
Technically since the reason the flood got through was becaus eof the brutes and elites not paying attention
stable flower
The Prophets needed stupider followers
fast harbor
Hmm
stable flower
Tartarus is a prime example
fast harbor
Ah yeah i forgot about him
Hey why dont people like guilty spark
Liek ik he kinda killed johnson
Bad thing ik but
Come on just look at him
🤩
gilded mason
Spark be cute
stable flower
Johnson (and most of the UNSC) was being a jerk to him
fast harbor
Yea i can understand how he must feel