I'm sure Chief's helmet also feature a recording device that allows any of personnel that has authorization to access it when necessary.
#lore-and-universe
slim thorn
chilly shuttle
Trying to remember where that giant dent on Chief's chestplate in Halo 4 came from.
Also, Del Rio's a word I can't say here because of the bots.
unique rune
Trying to remember where that giant dent on Chief's chestplate in Halo 4 came from.
It's not really ever explained. The original design intent was probably that his new armor was just how it always looked and the gash was the same as seen in Halo 3, but with the whole "nanomachines, son" retcon that doesn't really make much sense anymore.
I just attribute it to being a result of Chief's landing on Requiem but I don't think there's any official word on it.
carmine sleet
pulsar grail
I'm sure Chief's helmet also feature a recording device that allows any of perso...
The UNSC seeing Master Chief t-bag every covenant infantry:
chilly shuttle
> Trying to remember where that giant dent on Chief's chestplate in Halo 4 came ...
Wasn't the original gash where Regret nailed him?
carmine sleet
The gash on Chief's armour in Halo 3 isn't from Regret, it's from his fall to Earth
chilly shuttle
Is it?
static dirge
gilded mason
I guess she teleported him into that hard light bubble the split second he activated the nuke.
versed helm
@chilly shuttle The power of love?
tepid barn
Cortana had a flashback and got new powers
versed helm
Rampancy makes one crazy. Crazy powerful.
tepid barn
Nah the didact was just playin
spiral jewel
Dumb question: are elites able to recognize one person from another in their species? I ask this, as one of the H2 cutscenes made it sound like Rtas knew that Thel had become an Arbiter
gilded mason
Yes, they can tell each other apart
spiral jewel
Yes, they can tell each other apart
Neat to know
undone kestrel
what's the difference between female and male elites
tepid barn
Yea in the books they can to
gilded mason
Elites apparently have a lot of facial variety in canon, it's just that games simply depict one face per game.
undone kestrel
also , how do elites reproduce
tepid barn
I guess they didn’t want to put it like that for gameplay
tepid barn
also , how do elites reproduce
Eggs I think
undone kestrel
i see
gilded mason
what's the difference between female and male elites
Basically nothing. Female elites tend to be slightly shorter on average and might smell slightly different.
tepid barn
Elites have different skin color on the legos to
last anchor
How did Cortana save John from a point-blank nuke?
She used the same slipspace burst that flung the majority of Mantle's Approach (and a whole bunch of her rampant copies) to Genesis to pull Chief free of the blast and shield him.
She used the last of her cognitive capabilities to do it too, basically turning herself into the bubble. Hence, the real Cortana, the original one we knew and loved, died there with Chief.
The Cortana we see in 5 is, most likely, the strongest of the rampant fragments or possibly all of them, recontsituted into a broken mirror of Cortana, given access to the entire might of the Domain
last anchor
Basically nothing. Female elites tend to be slightly shorter on average and migh...
I think they also have slightly smaller mandables.
gilded mason
I think they also have slightly smaller mandables.
Don't recall anything about that one.
versed helm
In Halo Legends, didn't the wife of the Arbiter have a closed lower jaw?
gilded mason
Yes, though the visual depictions in that short aren't canon
terse lava
Yep, it was said she was designed like that juat to make her more sympathetic
gilded mason
smh tbh fam
versed helm
Well so long as 1337 is canon.
versed helm
Why must they take all the good things away? He punched the very big brute!
terse lava
Least we still have Fal wiping out a small army
carmine sleet
Why must they take all the good things away? He punched the very big brute!
He was never canon to begin with
versed helm
It is likely that he is a work of fiction in the universe, though.
main rivet
Is it?
He doesn't have it in Halo 2 or Uprising, so the fall is the best argument for when he gets it.
pulsar pivot
How did Rtas lose some of his jaw
pulsar pivot
Interesting
gilded mason
His own sub-commander. 😥
pulsar pivot
Oof
humble yacht
This is why it’s important to wear a mask
pulsar pivot
Indeed
The only people wearing masks are the spec ops elites ranger elites odst and spartans
gilded mason
And a bunch of others
carmine sleet
THe bottom of a Spec Ops Elite's helmet is open, just pointing that out
carmine sleet
Ain't that a mood
pulsar pivot
What about it
gilded mason
They're agreeing with you
pulsar pivot
Oh
terse lava
RIP Kusavai
humble yacht
You’d get arrested for threatening with a deadly weapon
pulsar pivot
True
Let me name another scenario without getting warned
Hmmm
You need the crust cut off your sandwich
Boom energy sword
violet notch
What if it was self defense? Someone pulls a knife on you.
Boom, Energy Sword.
unique rune
You'd probably end up ruining your table or countertop trimming crusts off a sandwich with a T-1.
humble yacht
You’d burn the sandwich and ruin it
unique rune
That too
violet notch
What if you were really delicate and only cut with the very tip?
unique rune
You'd get better results with a spoon
violet notch
Why was my post deleted?
humble yacht
Let’s avoid making fun of countries like that
pulsar pivot
You’d burn the sandwich and ruin it
Grilled cheese
unique rune
More like charcoal
humble yacht
Not really
I don’t think anyone thinks toast is super great, it’s just a quick and easy breakfast item
carmine sleet
Toast is great with beans on top
versed helm
Toast is toast
neat inlet
toast with egg on top
terse lava
Beans on toast? Yuck, go with cinnamon
regal oxide
ahhh, lore
carmine sleet
Beans on toast? Yuck, go with cinnamon
Beans on toast is a national dish here in the UK, I will not accept this slander against our mediocre food ideas
safe void
Cut an hole with a slice of bread in a pan, drop an egg in the hole, once cooked/toasted, put on a plate and add shredded cheese and maple syrup. It's great I swear.
versed helm
Toast is great with beans on top
I agree with you.
I usually cook the beans on a pan, though, because microwaved counterparts are tasteless to me.
Beans
slim thorn
Beans on toast is a national dish here in the UK, I will not accept this slander...
Make Anpan (Red Bean Bread) in Japan. Also... it makes me wonder if there are any signature food from modern era taken to the Halo Universe?
humble yacht
Burgers
jade wave
This conversation is vital to this lore channel
gilded mason
Stop
jade wave
you good man
karmic bluff
yep
jade wave
glad to hear it
karmic bluff
by the way, that conversation up above sure sounded like a lore discussion
and the new profile pic is a distorted photo of thel' vadam
terse lava
Speaking of food, I wonder what passes for MRE in the Covenant, least for the Sangheili and any san shyuum, seeing as Jiralhanae, Kig-Yar, and Unggoy will just eat pretty muxh anything
slim thorn
I recall that at least a CCS Battlecruiser store a batch of livestock for the Sangheili to hunt.
unique rune
Yeah, but those aren't prepared field rations the way MREs are.
fair hazel
You mean a support ship?
slim thorn
You mean a support ship?
I think it was like how the meal was provied for the covenant.
UNSC have provisions to at least six months for each mission.
coarse prairie
We know next to nothing abt sangheili diet...
the books detail the jiralhanae cuisine tho
versed helm
@carmine sleet You know what's one thing I never got that we do? The buttered bread with fries in-between and then ketchup. Stopped doing it as soon as I was in the states.
I always assumed brutes ate whatever annoyed them.
stable flower
Were the Banished considered heretics like Sesa Refumee's group?
pulsar pivot
Yes
No wait
Not at first
Then they found out
And so then they were heretics
The prophets told someone to kill atriox and they failed them elite executioners came to kill him and him and others stopped them
They were banished
versed helm
Banished
versed helm
At the end of the Mona Lisa, did the marine's gun have any bullets left?
gilded mason
At the end of the Mona Lisa, did the marine's gun have any bullets left?
Nope, it was empty
versed helm
Oh. She probably died then.
pulsar pivot
Is anything on red vs blue cannon
versed helm
Dunno, in Halsey's secret lab they're brought up so there's an argument for it.
stable flower
Is anything on red vs blue cannon
No
pulsar pivot
Darn
carmine sleet
RvB is definitely not canon to Halo
At some point, I'm going to make a video explaining why since I've seen so many people try and claim it is
jade wave
Please do
carmine sleet
I need to finish uni first
pulsar pivot
I was hoping
chilly marsh
Imagine “Fireteam Blue”or something with Caboose, tucker, Church, etc.
pulsar pivot
Yes
vocal aspen
Not even sure why people even try to claim RvB is canon. The first time I even watched it I knew it wasn’t canon...
carmine sleet
I think it's because of a line about Master Chief in the first episode
Like, I kid you not, I had someone trying to tell me that RvB was canon because it somehow explained how Elites reproduced despite the fact that we know how they do in Halo lore
versed helm
@carmine sleet Mate, no one's really trying to say RvB is canon. Just like canonically there wasn't a monkey in the room with Buck that he ate a bug off of. It's still fun though.
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
And there are actually people out there who have been trying to say RvB is part of Halo's canon
versed helm
They're messing with you. Or are taking the joke too far.
Can be hard to tell on the internet actually.
carmine sleet
They definitely weren't joking or messing with me
versed helm
Well the internet's weird like that. Perhaps they meant the videos Red v Blue were canon as part of the YouTube equivalent.
carmine sleet
Their exact wording was "Red Vs Blue is canon to Halo", there was no other way of interpreting what they were saying
And what do you mean by YouTube equivalent?
Because Red Vs Blue is Red Vs Blue regardless of if you're watching it on YouTube or the RT site
vocal aspen
I’ve seen people actually try to argue it as well, with no indication of it being a joke. Even if it was a joke I’m sure someone believes it.
versed helm
YouTube equivalent in the Halo universe. The app people would watch self uploaded videos to in halo universe. There's civilians, they're going to use their freetime to do something, Red v Blue could be that, a mockery of the unsc. Maybe even rebel propaganda.
carmine sleet
There's Waypoint but that's just Halo's internet
And Red Vs Blue isn't a show in the Halo universe
pulsar pivot
I know it ain't cannon I was just checking
versed helm
But maybe that's what they're saying might be canon, the thing they're adamant about. Also the way point thing is how a lot of us first saw Red vs Blue. Fails of the week canon, woot!
carmine sleet
No, not Halo Waypoint, there's a thing in universe called Waypoint
And they're not saying it might be canon, they are adamant it is canon
versed helm
Oh, weird.
pulsar pivot
What do we know about this Flipyap fellow in halo 3
versed helm
He was a grunt on the first halo. When things were going bad he took a ghost and drove off into the wilderness to enjoy what little time he had left.
He served under the elite who lead the ambush on you in when the flaming elevator falls down with the turret.
gilded mason
He served under the elite who lead the ambush on you in when the flaming elevato...
You're thinking of Yayap.
versed helm
Oh. Then is Flipyap the one who overcharged a plasma pistol and threw a plasma grenade at Tartarus?
After he killed his engineer buddy?
gilded mason
Flipyap is just a grunt mentioned by another grunt when you have the IWHBYD skull on. That's all.
versed helm
Aw I always assumed they were referencing the books. Unfortunate.
pulsar pivot
Just the average grunt
versed helm
Can plasma damage induce conformational changes in gel layers for MJOLNIR suits?
I don't think so...
humble yacht
I imagine it just incinerates anything it comes in contact with, gel included, hence why it can reach and damage flesh
pulsar pivot
Good for making smores
humble yacht
not really
versed helm
Did 343i ever establish the melting temperature of the gel layers? I highly doubt it, because the topic is pretty specific, lol.
humble yacht
No
But gels are already liquid, or at least semisolid
The melting point is probably quite low
versed helm
Yes, I imagine it is marginally lower than the temperature of a plasma-based projectile.
last anchor
At some point, I'm going to make a video explaining why since I've seen so many ...
You mean aside from the fact that the armor shown on screen looks like MLJONIR, but none of the people wearing it are dying screaming from having their muscles literally torn off their bones and their bones reduced to jelly the moment they first moved?
Cause that sure as hell is canon
Oh we moved on again. (Insert TF2 Engineer "Darn" here)
carmine sleet
Was it ever called Mjolnir in RvB?
last anchor
No. We dont have a name for it at all.
And there seems to be no real difference between the armor the "sim troopers" (Reds and Blues) and the Freelancers (who are active combat troops, if against normal humans as far as we can tell most of the time) wear.
Limitations via in-engine of course, but something thats never touched on at all.
Same as how the Freelancer program would be allowed to do...basically everything it did without ONI having complete oversight of it (its not THAT secret a program)
Letting them steal a HURAGOK (before Dare's snatch and grab in New Mombasa, I should note, OR FIRST STRIKE)
And its overall strength seems to be adjustable based on plot (as all things Rooster Teeth are), as in one scene we see it survive hits from point blank gunfire, and then in another, it gets pierced by a broomstick with a flag on it.
Then again this is the same universe where the UNSC rolled out THE INFINITY HERSELF and what has to be three or four system fleets to force compliance on a single planet.
Honestly, aside from that singular thing you mentioned of "Master chief blew up the entire alient fleet" in episode 1...thats it. No other connections to maineline Halo canon, explicetly anyway.
tepid barn
Is rvb canon
versed helm
No.
tepid barn
O ok
neat cypress
i'm seeing halopedia reference there being a Red Team on Reach being sent to defend some generators during its glassing. is this the same Red Team from Halo Wars or just a different Spartan team sharing the same name?
tepid barn
I think it’s same
Idk why they would use same names but ask someone else
Because Spartan ll’s where the only ones to use colors for names
neat cypress
this was in 2552, Halo Wars takes place in 2558 with Red Team still lost onboard the Spirit of Fire. a little confused here
unique rune
It'd be a different group of Spartans just reusing the name.
Spartan-II teams and their assignments tended to be pretty flexible depending on what needed to be done.
steel stone
Wasn't there two teams? both named red?
I think there was a bunch of Spartans IIs defending generators during the Fall of Reach and they were called Red team.
slim thorn
this was in 2552, Halo Wars takes place in 2558 with Red Team still lost onboard...
Halo wars was held at 2531 while Halo Wars 2 was held at 2559. Also, the Red Team does not mean it was limited to one team, it could be a cluster of member inside Red Team and the organization structure could change due to various circumstances.
Blue Team, for example, can hold a roster up to five or six SPARTANs.
void venture
Why in halo wars 2 the red team armors seem to be gen 1 and then they have the same abilities that we saw in halo 5
obsidian thistle
Its a hybrid
Like they started plugging in GEN2 components essentially
To replace the GEN1 stuff that couldnt be replaced
slim thorn
Also, the Red Team went MIA for 28 years, so they already miss at least two generations for GEN 1 (Mark V and Mark VI). While the UNSC lab on the Ark houses several GEN2 components prior to the Banished Attack, the only choice is to hybridize it.
stable flower
I notice Alice has the ability to do Spartan Slam in One Three Zero, despite not being upgraded, as she didn't make it back to the Spirit. I just chalk that up to gameplay reasons.
carmine sleet
It was for gameplay reasons
slim thorn
For the campaign gameplay, all Spartans have been upgraded at least Tier 2.
Note that all Spartans will wield their signature weapons (Jerome is Spartan Laser, Alice is Machinegun, and Douglas is Rocket Launcher) once they have their Spartan Slam researched (Which is Tier 1)
limpid meadow
I notice Alice has the ability to do Spartan Slam in One Three Zero, despite not...
GEN1 Mark IV does have integrated thrusters, just nothing as advanced as GEN2. So she could still conceivably do a Spartan Slam.
rocky vector
Ok so in what halo book do they discuss that sgt johnson was in orion 1 project. Because it wasnt in First strike or contact harvest. The only mention we get is in first strike where dr halsey says he has this side effect from plasa burns and lived with the flood dna inside him. But what book tells us he was in orion 1? Im currently going through all the halo books in order from release and Im now on cole protocol so Im wondering when its coming up
humble yacht
It was just called Project Orion. Later called Spartan Is
Not Orion I
Halopedia has a list of where Project Orion was mentioned in the lore
abstract berry
Can someone please help me on the lore?
gilded mason
What do you need?
abstract berry
I'm playing halo wars and a bit confused 😕 about the time lines and which UNSC ship that tore through a Covenant ship by accident. I have really hard time to figure it out.
humble yacht
Halo wars is really early
humble yacht
The infinity is the ship that busted through a covenant cruiser
But that happens in halo 4 spartan ops
Which is 2557, iirc
abstract berry
How big is the Infinitity Ship and what class is it?
And what class is the Spirit of Fire?
And what is the size difference between the two of them?
gilded mason
Infinity is the first of the Infinity-class supercarriers
humble yacht
Infinity is the biggest ship in the UNSC. It was designed to be their last bastion in case earth fell
It dwarfs the spirit of fire
gilded mason
5,694.2 meters long while the Spirit of Fire (Phoenix-class support vessel) is 2,500 meters long
abstract berry
Like was the Spirit of Fire was it a carrier?
gilded mason
Phoenix-class support vessel
humble yacht
It was a repurposed colony ship
It can carry things, sure
You know, much of this kind of info would be quickly answered with a google search
abstract berry
Oh okay, and is it still Operational or did the lore killed the ship?
humble yacht
Play halo wars 2 to find out
abstract berry
Sadly I don't have an Xbox console.
humble yacht
It’s on windows store
abstract berry
Oh, so you can now play the Xbox games completely on pc? 😃
gilded mason
Yes, except for H5
humble yacht
No, it was just available for both platforms
abstract berry
Oh okay awesome!!!. And oh silly question. So the Covenant have 3 factions now? Like Elites work with UNSC. Covenant "main vililan". And now Atriox?
abstract berry
Wired lol. I only saw it for a bit lol.
gilded mason
We've got: the Swords of Sanghelios (Arbiter's faction), Jul's faction (now defunct), Nyon's faction, Banished, and many, many other factions hanging around.
There
humble yacht
The covenant empire as it once was is defunct. Now there are only remnants
The banished incorporated at least two other remnants into themselves
gilded mason
They're working with them, at least. Though who knows for how long
humble yacht
The keepers broke that deal pretty fast
abstract berry
So the Swords of Sanghelios work fully with the Humans?
gilded mason
Also, I can't believe I forgot to say that faction, the Keepers of the One Freedom
They're neat
gilded mason
So the Swords of Sanghelios work fully with the Humans?
Ye, they're allies
gilded mason
Better than Banished, at least
abstract berry
Did they ever in the lore created a ship together or anything close to it. Like to heal old wounds?
humble yacht
Not a ship
gilded mason
The SoS and the UNSC do indeed create stuff and research together
Though not a ship yet, as far as we know
humble yacht
Weapons, armor, vehicles
abstract berry
Oh cool!?!? Please show me some!!!! Grand Masters of wisdom please!
gilded mason
There's the Sword Hog, Helioskrill, some Halo Online armors.
General science research as well
Needler research too
humble yacht
The Prometheans had the biggest ship
abstract berry
Sweet! Man you guys are awesome!
naive wind
There is so much halo lore it’s really cool
pulsar pivot
Its halo
pulsar pivot
Wait what
jade wave
I doubt it
They have very different biology and anatomy than us
They might just have their own version of it tho
violet notch
It's absolutely believable that there could be humans who could be converted to the religion of the Great Journey, right? I know why pre-schism the Covenant never tried, because the Prophets didn't want humanity's origins to come to light. But would a believer remnant faction like Jul M'Dama's (or however he's spelled) ever try converting some humans?
undone kestrel
maybe
violet notch
Also, would the general philosophy of religious tolerance ever allow humans to admit Covenant refugees, post war, to continue practicing their faith?
Basically, I want to know if it's possible to have a church for the Journey to be present on a colony that has a mix of human and covenant species.
Granted, due to the core beliefs of the Great Journey it'd only be a matter of time before these believers become radicalized and make an attempt to lay claim to a Halo ring somehow.
jade wave
It's absolutely believable that there could be humans who could be converted to ...
Jul absolutely despised humanity, humanity is the sole reason he basically started his own faction. I doubt any remnant similar to jul would accept humans
humble yacht
the reason jul hated humanity and the reason his faction hated humanity are separate. jul manipulated and lied to his followers to serve his own personal vendetta
undone kestrel
wasnt jul ordered by oni?
humble yacht
what does "ordered" mean?
undone kestrel
didnt oni order jul to make a civil war or something
humble yacht
no
jade wave
No ONI ordered kilo-5 to do that
humble yacht
jul didn't work for ONI
undone kestrel
UEG?
undone kestrel
ight
jade wave
ONI does however have a significant amount of autonomy and influence
undone kestrel
versed helm
Been playing when 360 was out
violet notch
Jul absolutely despised humanity, humanity is the sole reason he basically start...
Alright, maybe not Jul's faction. But a religious remnant faction in general. Would they ever try converting humans to their beliefs?
gilded mason
Yes. Keepers of the One Freedom.
jade wave
The Keepers of the One Freedom do
violet notch
oh? I gotta look into them
humble yacht
the keepers are basically the covenant who realize they need humans to start the journey
but if you ask me the keepers and the servants should swap names
gilded mason
Yeah, I could see that.
humble yacht
because what the Keepers do is actually promote the truth about humans and their connection to their "gods"
and what the servants do is keep the freedom of their pre-covie traditions
violet notch
Cool! Now for the inverse question.
Are there any examples of human religions being adopted by a covenant species?
I know that at least the Abrahamic religion(s) survived in some form in this era because of dialogue in H5.
humble yacht
unlikely
gilded mason
I don't think we know of any non-human with a human religion at the moment
violet notch
darnit
humble yacht
the flood seems to practice nihilism 
violet notch
The Flood are essentially their own religion. "Convert to us," is quite more literal to them. And the Flood sees itself as the penultimate life. It is its own god. And lets face it, the Flood have all the hallmarks of a Lovecraftian style deity.
fair hazel
Religion doesn’t mean goal
waxen anchor
Their goal is to assimilate everything
I have a question
Did the Flood happen on purpose, as punishment
or was it an accident?
Ancient Humanity first encountered it on an abandoned ship
where it then mutated their pets
before then becoming the flood
But did the Precursors MEAN for that to happen?
Or did the dust simply become corrupted over time?
fair hazel
Corruption happened
waxen anchor
So it originally wasn't intended as punishment for the forerunners
Precursors are saints then wow
jade wave
There is still not a lot known about the origins of the flood, I’m pretty sure the flood was active before the Primordial was released
fair hazel
Precursors are a lot of various things
waxen anchor
Not really
the only exception would be the Primordial
Are there any other examples of "evil" precursors?
@fair hazel what say you
humble yacht
was he evil or just vengeful?
waxen anchor
i mean
he tortured humans
i'd say they go hand in hand
Well
Depends
Was his goal to assimilate the galaxy
gilded mason
was he evil or just vengeful?
You can be both.
waxen anchor
Do y'all think the Logic Plague is gonna be apart of Halo Infinite?
gilded mason
Probably not
waxen anchor
Cortana might have it
versed helm
I really hope that it is not.
waxen anchor
Whyyyyy
gilded mason
Cortana might have it
Definitely not
fair hazel
The primordial and the flood is not nice
waxen anchor
Why
humble yacht
the logic plague theory has more holes in it than daisy's corpse
waxen anchor
That has the knowledge of all previous graveminds
gilded mason
The interaction shown between the two would not facilitate her getting LP
waxen anchor
Elaborate
gilded mason
Elaborate
Basically, based on the short story about their time together, Cortana never fell into its trap and desire for knowledge
She resisted all the way until John saved her
fair hazel
Didact got hit with the logic plague too
gilded mason
And even redoubled her love for non-AI
humble yacht
the gravemind never convinced her it was right. she resisted all they way up until chief rescued her
waxen anchor
When MC first finds her, she says "you found me but so much of me is wrong"
Yeah okay
gilded mason
Because she was being tortured
waxen anchor
I haven't read the short story about that
humble yacht
yea because the gravemind was trying to induce rampancy in her
waxen anchor
I mean
humble yacht
by flooding her with information such as the memories of the dead it consumed
waxen anchor
its possible he got through to her, and made her think she succeeded
There's no way of knowing
gilded mason
That isn't possible
gilded mason
^^^^^
waxen anchor
Yes but what if that's his long term plan
humble yacht
the one thing that could actually hurt the flood, she did it
gilded mason
None of her actions afterward support being GM's puppet
humble yacht
that's a bad plan. the gravemind couldn't predict that she'd end up in the domain
gilded mason
That's just being a rampant jerk
humble yacht
coincidence
gilded mason
^
humble yacht
how many random lucky things happened that allowed cortana to be in the position she's in now?
waxen anchor
But the way i think of it, is he used Cortana as a bait, a trap. He let Chief get her in H3. He probably figured that Chief and many others would escape his grasp, and letting them have a ticking time bomb would be the perfect solution to stop them. Cortana's rampancy could be either normal rampancy, LP, or both. Regardless, her reasoning in h5 is unlike Cortana. Disabling a galaxy, killing MILLIONS with emps (think about hospitals), it seems like something that would've been done to stop any (albeit futile), resistance against the Flood.
Basically having her be his ace in the hole
But of course she fired the halo etc etc
Gravemind stupid as hell for how many brains he got
humble yacht
if cortana wanted to give the flood the galaxy
she could have just unlocked a containment facitlity
gilded mason
Gravemind stupid as hell for how many brains he got
So the obvious answer being - she never had LP in the first place.
waxen anchor
Yes exactly
stable flower
Or all the containment facilities xD
waxen anchor
yes yes
i know
its wrong
i believe u guys
that was just my running theory lol
humble yacht
besides, the galaxy isn't exactly depowered
stable flower
Speaking of containment, do we ever learn how the Flood got released on Etran Harborage?
humble yacht
she commands the entirety of the promthean forces
waxen anchor
yeah
so the rest of the galaxy is screwed
ATP, i dont think so
However it was, it wasn't a total disaster
humble yacht
she wants to rule, can't rule over a dead galaxy
humble yacht
if the flood got out, she'd quash an outbreak
waxen anchor
Ruling a dead galaxy is acceptable if it eventually grows
humble yacht
not if it grows into flood
waxen anchor
Cortana thinking LONGGGGGGG term
I mean
yeah
ofc if she doesnt have the LP she wont want to release the flood
it was just some reasoning for her god awful halo 5 storyline
humble yacht
it's bad reasoning imo
gilded mason
Rampancy is the best we got, really.
humble yacht
scapegoating cortana by making her not responsible for her own actions
waxen anchor
Her actions go against previously established things about her
So much so that i created that idea
I see that she COULD do that
the same way MC COULD and DID go AWOL
humble yacht
cortana has displayed ruthless tendencies in the past
humble yacht
she literally ruined Ackerman's life
gilded mason
And at least she felt like scum for it afterwards
waxen anchor
But in this case
She is going AGAINST master chief
all the other stuff is for/neutral with him
gilded mason
She thinks she's helping him
waxen anchor
Yeah
humble yacht
i think she's trying to do what she thinks is best for him
waxen anchor
its like a parent and a child
humble yacht
the thing about people in power is they think they know what's best for the non-powerful
waxen anchor
I hope by 10 year plan they mean they're gonna release a bunch of DLC
Yeah
Also
wait
I thought the Domain was destroyed when the Halos fired
humble yacht
it was
gilded mason
It was basically reset
gilded mason
And it had to get rebooted
humble yacht
the isodidact and some forerunners unplugged it and plugged it back in
waxen anchor
galactic tech support here, what can we do ya for
humble yacht
one forerunner sacrificed herself to be the new template from which the domain could be reset
humble yacht
away
gilded mason
Yeah
gilded mason
Nah
humble yacht
read Point of Light
humble yacht
there you go
gilded mason
👍
violet notch
Are there any examples of anyone, human or covenant, worshiping the Flood as a religion? In a crazed Lovecraftian cult-like fasion?
humble yacht
but yeah, it's possible that the nu-Domain was filled with only the information in Growth's mind
which would be a biased domain
yes there is a flood cult
violet notch
ooh!
what's it called/from so I can look it up?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded mason
Governors of Contrition
waxen anchor
Yeah
Their captain wanted to let the flood on board their ship
But he was betrayed since like
No one else wanted to have the flood on their ship
For obvious reasons
jade wave
It was in Ghosts of Onyx
jade wave
It was pretty brief
jade wave
It was just the intro for the Elites POV
violet notch
I wonder why I didn't remember that.
jade wave
I hardly remember the shipmasters name
waxen anchor
Are there any examples of Sangheli questioning the Prophet's war against humanity?
I understand that like
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
At least quick story in Conversation from the Universe
waxen anchor
What's that?
gilded mason
Think it's just digital...maybe?
Not sure
Anyway, we don't have stuff from Elite PoV too often, so the rest is generally from reference stuff.
waxen anchor
I really liked the grunt POV from Contact Harvest
That was cool to see
Also
Did anyone else barely understand the Forerunner Saga
it was like a fever dream for me
all i remember was that the Didact was a little b**ch
tepid barn
I really liked the grunt POV from Contact Harvest
There is grunt POV in The Flood
Flood*
jade wave
Did anyone else barely understand the Forerunner Saga
I had a hard time with it when I first read it, I have just finished the first two recently again and understand it far better now
waxen anchor
yeah i have to reread them
It was like
100 pages of just walking on a Halo for one of them
like oh my god
Is there anything that elaborates on the Forerunner-Precursor war?
Besides the Forerunner Saga?
humble yacht
not really
tepid barn
I don’t think so
waxen anchor
mhk
versed helm
What was the Librarian doing during the events of Halo 5?
humble yacht
being ded
versed helm
Wait, is she deceased now?
jade wave
She’s been dead
versed helm
Well, "deleted" or "decommissioned" would be a more appropriate use of terminology, lol.
humble yacht
librarian died. her digital echoes stuck around in various installations to monitor things and keep her plans going
versed helm
John and Catherine Halsey spoke with a digital copy of her, right?
humble yacht
yes, an artificial echo
versed helm
This "echo" was designed to assist humanity, right?
humble yacht
eventually
versed helm
Is there any possibility of it joining the Created?
humble yacht
not really
versed helm
Do you think it could oppose them?
humble yacht
cortana probably wouldn't want to deal with her in the first place
besides, Librarian is all about humans reclaiming the Mantle. that was one of her grand schemes
versed helm
Cortana could deceive her into believing that is the Created's ultimate aspiration.
It would probably be incredibly difficult to accomplish, though.
craggy sierra
This would kinda be like deceiving a youtube video.
gilded mason
Imprints seem sort of aware. Like a dumb AI.
craggy sierra
Yeah, their main function is to be an info dump for any prospective reclaimers and like answer some questions.
humble yacht
i'm sure the librarian echoes have a higher degree of awareness than human dumb AI, but they aren't librarian herself
she's still dead
pulsar pivot
Very
versed helm
Could Cortana simply "absorb" its knowledge, or would that be unnecessary?
craggy sierra
Well I think the entire domain probably supersedes the Librarians knowledge
humble yacht
well, maybe it used to
but i wouldn't be surprised if all the old knowledge was lost when the halos fired
and any existing knowledge came from the "seed" provided by the lifeworker who sacrificed herself to reset the domain
waxen anchor
How advanced was Ancient Humanity?
It seems like they were on par with the Forerunners
but that must've meant that ancient humans lived significantly longer than modern humans
versed helm
Someone explain what happened to cortana after halo 5
waxen anchor
blah blah read shadows of reach
im not sure
i havent read that book
but because it seems to lead into hI
they prob say something about her
hm
maybe we dont know?
just looked it up, we might just have to find out in Infinite
unique rune
Cortana's not really directly involved in Shadows of Reach, other than the effects of her rule on the state of the galaxy.
Don't think any media has touched on exactly what Cortana is up to at the moment.
waxen anchor
@versed helm ^
versed helm
ok
unique rune
Nothing's really happened to Cortana, she's just oppressing everybody else enforcing her rule for the time being.
versed helm
i agree with cortana tho she was trying to give steroids to regular people to enhance them or something
like create more spartans but not torture them
unique rune
I mean, she's essentially holding a gun to everyone's head and saying "now play nice".
jade wave
How advanced was Ancient Humanity?
You could argue that they were/weren't on par technologically. They both really just had a lot of differences. Ancient Humanity excelled with precursor artifacts and would build cities structured around the tensile strength of Precursor orbital arches. We discussed this a couple days ago and came to the conclusion that ancient humans(or at least at the very highest level of ancient humans) lived from 1000-2000 years or somewhere around there. The main difference between forerunner and ancient human was territory. Ancient Humans only had around 20,000 colonized planets I believe or maybe stars while the forerunners had 3 million worlds colonized
terse lava
Yeah, would say they were just on the lower tier of tier 1. We do see they lacked the ability to create megastructures on the scale of a halo
Maybe technically they'd be the uppermost part of tier 2?
terse lava
Scratching it at best with technology like the Composer and the Halos
Perhaps given a few more millions years something could have come from that
burnt idol
am I reading this correctly about the suits having sexual stimulation for stress relief in combat
humble yacht
No it wouldn’t
burnt idol
versed helm
Who cares it’d be dope if it was actually mentioned tho
terse lava
Not really no
unique rune
It'd be rather... crude.
humble yacht
It’s fake and not appropriate for this server anyway
pulsar pivot
What kind of stupid stuff did you fall for
somber cedar
Does! The noble team use Gen 3 armor?
slim thorn
Does! The noble team use Gen 3 armor?
Nope, GEN 2 itself was produced Post Human-Covenant War, so GEN 3 is like issued around 2558-2559
carmine sleet
Noble Team wore Gen 1 armour, more specifically Mark V
versed helm
Those suits were prototypes, right?
humble yacht
No, they were Mark V [b], which is like a modulated mark v with different specialization
spiral jewel
https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Two_for_Flinching
Is there an official ship class this corvette belongs to , as its only appearance was Contact Harvest , and not much Is known about it
unique rune
If Halopedia doesn’t cite any info on it, I’d say it’s generally a pretty safe bet that it doesn’t exist.
That said, I don’t recall ever coming across the Two for Flinching in other media that would have mentioned more of its specifics.
versed helm
No, they were Mark V [b], which is like a modulated mark v with different specia...
What was the specialisation? Did it depend on the role of the host?
humble yacht
Just read about the different parts
Some parts were specialized for hazardous environments, some for security, some for command roles
It’s all in the part descriptions
Jun’s armor was specialized for scouting, Jorge’s for big defense
versed helm
Oh, I thought you were referring to the actual "chassis" of the suits.
humble yacht
It’s all Mark v [b], just with different modifications
The modifications are what specialize the configurations to the user and their role
jolly furnace
Humans and San Shyuum were Tier 1 but less advanced in that scale than forerunners basically
jolly furnace
I'd argue that Forerunners were nearing Tier 0.
I doubt that given they barely understood neural physics even after 10 million years
jade wave
very true
jolly furnace
Nueral physics also seems to have less to do with technology and rather more so the metaphysical
an elevation of the species itself
to a higher state of being
or something
Its hard to tell without more details
But NP is basically the Halo version of the Force or Space Magic
Beyond understanding mostly
though can still be understood enough to use it in tech or reverse-engineer it
like forerunners, humans and san'shyuum all did
The only areas the humans and san'shyuum had the advantage over forerunners in their hey day was their greater understanding of neural physics it seems
and in certain military technologies
all of which we have no details on
ruby tinsel
Yeah KH has a point
pulsar pivot
Man elites are cool
terse lava
Agreed
Interesting culture, ancient history, pleasant architecture, both covenant and before
jade wave
The people demand more Elite POVs
jolly furnace
I demand an AH trilogy
pulsar pivot
"When your people called him demon, was that a insult, or a compliment?"
"A insult to be sure but one with a moderate amount of respect"
shut dew
All because they couldn't see chief's face, how weird
slim thorn
Only Thel and a few Sangheili's guard saw his face.
humble yacht
"A insult to be sure but one with a moderate amount of respect"
Modicum of respect
spiral jewel
I'm sure nothings been confirmed yet, (though, as of Shadows of Reach, I could probably be wrong), but are there any S3's that were upgraded to Gen 3 Mjolnir, from either Gen 1 or Gen 2 ?
versed helm
I still like to know how the Forerunners managed to kill the Precursors
humble yacht
I'm sure nothings been confirmed yet, (though, as of Shadows of Reach, I could p...
Considering that the SIVs in SoR had gen3 armor, I imagine the SIIIs in spartan Branch also got gen3
versed helm
So I'm listening to Halo Silentium right now and I wonder, how does an organic version of the Logic Plague work?
humble yacht
Space magic
spiral jewel
Considering that the SIVs in SoR had gen3 armor, I imagine the SIIIs in spartan ...
So it'll be a while before the SIIIs in the Army, Marines/Navy branches recieve Gen3, or could those SIIIs already have received them , and none of us (in the real world) know that yet... ?
(I really wish we could get Post War and Created Uprising stories focused on the SIIIS )
humble yacht
I wouldn’t be surprised if all Spartans have access to gen3
versed helm
Same
I could imagine that eventually all soldiers in the UNSCDF would be augmented so that they can wear Mjolnir armor
spiral jewel
Theres probably a handful of Spartans that, due to whatever reason, are still in either Gen 1 or 2 and couldn't receive Gen 3
humble yacht
It’d be easier just to make them all have gen3
spiral jewel
Probably
versed helm
I still wonder how the UNSC was able to get enough resources to create more Mjolnir armor variants during the Covenant War
humble yacht
Yea it’s weird but it’s unlikely we’ll ever see that addressed
spiral jewel
I thought some of the Gen 1 MK 4 and MK 5 armor permutations/ variations were outsourced to other companies?
humble yacht
Wait, it’s not that strange that there were mjolnir modifications during the war
It was all still gen1
versed helm
So if you were a civilian on Reach, how would you get off the planet?
humble yacht
There were evacuation ships
versed helm
Yeah, I think that is the most likely case
Either that or he was transmitting from another planet
So what would Tribute's population be prior to the Covenant War?
I'm assuming somewhere in the low or mid tens of millions
waxen anchor
I don't think we know
Probably somewhere around there
I thought Holland was on Reach
@versed helm They didn't get enough resources for Mjolnir during the covie war
The initial prototypes were created before the covie war
Beyond that
I'm pretty sure you would fund the one thing that has proven to be able to kill covies
versed helm
Thinking about the destruction of the Greater Ark and the Dark Times, I feel like large parts of the Milky Way could be either lightly populated or uninhabited
Thoughts?
terse lava
Quite likely, more so with some worlds likely becoming quagmires of muck and rot like Charrum Hakkor after the halos fired
versed helm
I also wonder, how did Jul Mdama's faction discover Requiem?
rain imp
I believe the novel Thursday War covers this. Jul speaks with a Huragok and finds out about a shield world with the Didact on it.
The Huragok didn't have the location, but I guess some digging might show it up after the command structure of the original Covenant was removed.
pulsar pivot
I also wonder, how did Jul Mdama's faction discover Requiem?
I think they found it by tracking chiefs distress signal
Which one do yall choose
Elites or Brutes
unique rune
Jul's Covenant found Requiem in 2554 and had just been chilling outside the shield world until the aft end of the Dawn came drifting by, so it wasn't via the distress signal.
rain imp
It's like my answer just didn't get read or something. 😉
pulsar pivot
Oh
undone kestrel
does requiem have a monitor like genesis¿
rain imp
We don't see a Monitor but that doesn't mean one didn't exist. Look at the Ark, for example. At the time of Halo 3, we didn't know whether the Ark had a Monitor. It was only after H3 when "Hunters in the Dark" came out that we learned the Ark did have a Monitor, who was 000 Tragic Solitude.
Requiem's Monitor could have been off doing other things (or it could have been taken offline at some point, perhaps by the Didact after his release) during the events of H4, which would explain why we didn't see one (just like we didn't see Tragic Solitude during H3).
Alternatively, it could be that one wasn't needed because the Ur-Didact was guarded by his knights, especially Endurance-of-Will, who might have done the role in a monitor's stead.
humble yacht
Endurance of Will was his second in command, i doubt he'd leave her behind on military excursions
Monitors also seemed to be more of a builder thing
terse spindle
Does that code come with a free trip to the food nipple
dawn knot
rain imp
Endurance of Will was his second in command, i doubt he'd leave her behind on mi...
She ended up staying on Requiem after speaking to the librarian, so I agree, he wouldn't.
gaunt oakBOT
cerulean abyss
Elites or Brutes
Elites
chilly marsh
Elites or Brutes
Elites.
cerulean abyss
I like swords over hammers
slim thorn
I could wonder when UNSC can manufacture an Energy Sword fitted for a swordsman. Hayabusa-type Mjolnir should be fitted with Katana's energy sword for it instead of standard Katana.
violet tapir
What if hardlight weapons could be created? To clarify, not weapons that fire hardlight, like the Suppressor and the Boltshot, but rather, a weapon entirely made of hardlight that materialize out of a small object like how the Hardlight Shield does?
versed helm
I thought that the Promethean Knights wielded blades composed of hard-light.
violet tapir
I thought that the Promethean Knights wielded blades composed of hard-light.
True, but could firearms be theoretically made of them?
We know that the Promethean Knights fire the Promethean firearms like the Scattershot and Incineration Cannon, but not actual hardlight-composed firearms.
versed helm
I can certainly picture a situation where the mechanism of a weapon is composed of hard-light. It could be more reliable than the other primitive counterparts.
fair hazel
I'm not a fan of the katana cult much
A lot of forerunner stuff is made out of hard light
Partialyl at least
versed helm
Some people have an unhealthy obsession with that weapon, lol.
humble yacht
If humans were to have their own style of melee, I think it should be high frequency.
Elites have plasma swords, brutes have gravity weapons, forerunners have hard light. Humans should get something unique rather than double up
steep ether
I could wonder when UNSC can manufacture an Energy Sword fitted for a swordsman....
they did, the energy bayonet
also might as well use energy swords at that point
waxen anchor
Oh my god imagine a spartan armor with built in energy swords
slim thorn
No, that won't happen. Probably the best bet is MJOLNIR with hard-light armor features.
rose delta
Isn't that already somewhat of a thing, with the hard-light shield?
terse lava
Admittedly hardlight shields can act as blades just as well, as was shown when in the hands of a prelate
rose delta
Considering the MJOLNIR Armor and the physical enhancements that Spartans have, I'd see their melee combat to default towards hand-to-hand either way. Maybe a single-use miniaturised hard-light gauntlet cannon? Could be used as a Hail Mary in a tight situation, but also risky considering the power demand that would be taken from their shields. Hard-light swords are very cool as an independent concept, but I'm not sure if they suit Spartans thematically.
slim thorn
The thing is when they prefer guns over sword, it will be difficult. However, the difference case is if you prefer sword over guns. Should Noble Six is alive, he may prefer sword over guns for assassination.
versed helm
So what kind of answers did the Primordial give to those human scientists and researchers, like ones that would make those humans kill themselves?
stable flower
I like when shields are used as weapons
slate ibex
Only if we could use a Jackel shield 🤔
lethal fjord
Yeah
pulsar pivot
Oh my god imagine a spartan armor with built in energy swords
I mean they did it with Zealot and Ultra Armor in reach
I wont say it's out of the question especially with the help of elites as well
pulsar pivot
So what kind of answers did the Primordial give to those human scientists and re...
Something that would be so disturbing that it wants them to kill themselves
jade wave
I doubt we will ever find out what it said exactly
versed helm
I would assume that the Primordial told those humans the true purpose of the Flood
last anchor
We know that the Promethean Knights fire the Promethean firearms like the Scatte...
All Forerunner weapons, and most structures and ships, are made of hardlight. This is why in Halo 4 when you pick t hem up for the first time, they self-assemble like lego bricks.
simple light
I would assume that the Primordial told those humans the true purpose of the Flo...
Where can I find the story on this? I missed something obviously
last anchor
It was first mentioned in Cryptum and further expanded upon. Never explicetly mentioned though
slate ibex
At least a few of us know about the origins of the guardian map from halo 3
lean shoal
i'm new to lore and stuff but are there any answers and/or details related to what happened to offensive after the war
slate ibex
Ah welcome frex I hope you learn so very much
violet notch
Flood can in fact infect Hunters, right? They do meet all the requirements. They have a nervous system as well as "sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood." At least collectively they sure as [heck] do.
I mean, otherwise it would seem very ridiculous if there were any biological species that were, for some reason, inexplicably immune to the most deadly and virulent parasites that are known for their immense galactic terrible threat. Not to mention it just wouldn't make sense for the flood not to take what they could, wherever they could, at all times, to add to their mass.
I mean, all that drama about just how exaggeratedly terrible the Flood is. How deadly and all-consuming it is.
Oh but these rather primitive wormies are their Achilles Heel? I don't buy it.
steel stone
Devs might not have the time to add flood hunters during Halo 1 2 and 3 sadly.
May have been the reason we have no flood grunts or jackals
violet notch
I mean, a lack of representation in the videos games does not equal an inability for it to be true.
There are other Covenant races that were cut for game dev purposes that are still canon in the lore.
steel stone
I still wanna fight a Drinol what happen to them?
violet notch
[Heck] the Engineers were cut from CE, but we're definitely still canon.
I imagine that Flood infected Hunters are the same way.
They're there, we just don't encounter any by meer coincidence.
steel stone
I think we got flood grunts and jackals in Halo wars 1 I think
This may suck but Hunters are just a bunch earth worm jims wearing armor.
Worms maybe removed from the armor and used as biomass instead
And maybe a flood pure form could wear the armor or something.
It would take alot to infect a bunch of worms not sure really.
violet notch
Even if they can't turn each individual worm into a competent combat form. They could at least break it down and use it as raw material for biomass. And then, as you said, use the armour for whatever they needed to.
I can't imagine they would use the infection forms on each individual worm either. But rather let the aerosol spores infect it instead.
steel stone
I agree with the worms being used for raw material like the biomass.
That would be hell seeing worms infected just imagine a swarm heading towards you.
violet notch
On that note. That reminds me of the live action movie they made before Halo5. Nightfall? I think it was called? Don't remember. It was about a fragment of Installation 04 having some new element created by the fusion reaction that destroyed the ring. And a crew go investigate, get stranded, and have to fight their way back to a lifeboat.
Anyway, the part I remembered was that they were fighting against some surviving Hunter worms. Who were just eating anything they could. It was actually quite terrifying how they were portrayed. And it makes me wish we could see more of that in the games.
I also think it might have been cooler to see them fight against some remaining flood, instead of the Hunter worms. I thought it weird they didn't encounter any, unless it was just a part of the ring on the opposite side from the outbreak. But I also think it would have been really cool, and 10x more terrifying to see a live action representation of the Flood.
steel stone
That also shows how intelligent the worms are too since in Nightfall it mimicked a human shape.
With that level of intelligence they may have been used to make a Proto Gravemind
violet notch
Especially since their species already shows some proclivity to having a hive mind. Something that the flood does innately as well. So it could have been a boon to them to use them to make a grave mind.
steel stone
From what I know flood are dumb
violet notch
Individually, yes. Collectively, no.
There is also some instinct at play, which drives them to do what is needed to advance. Without having to plan for it individually.
steel stone
They start as vicious animals but as they absorb more life and gain their memories they get clever.
I hate to think how smart the flood got after infecting High Charity.
They even left Truth and Mercy's dead body without burning them.
rose delta
Is it just me or has anyone else just thought of The Flood as sentient potatoes?
I mean, sure, angry and genocidal potatoes, but potatoes nonetheless.
violet notch
More like a fungus. Breaking down dead biomass for the purpose of sheer growth and procreation.
There's even the infamous zombie ant fungus IRL.
Whereas a potato is more flora then fauna. And the Flood is a bit of both. So I think of them more as mushrooms.
Malevolent, deadly, terrible, Lovecraftian, mushrooms.
rose delta
Eh, sounds edible enough!
Hm, that actually got me thinking. Can a flood form infect whatever person ingests it even if it's already dead?
violet notch
Uh, yes.
Because the Flood mass doesn't die because you shot it up. It's just rendered immobile and broken. But the Flood cells are still infectuous.
leaden rune
Since spartan 458 is canon to both doa and halo( shared multiverse) and she got to the doa verse from time travel and is referenced in halo multiple times, how did she get back to her universe or is she still in the doa verse
violet notch
She's not exactly canon. I don't consider guest starring to be canon. Otherwise Fortnight is canon to Halo because Chief is a guest star.
The same reason that Super Smash Bros. isn't canon to any of the Nintendo franchises.
leaden rune
She is referenced multiple times in halo and again, she got there via a time bubble thing. The difference is there is canon lore reason everyone is there unlike smash and fornite who's character aren't even the actual characters
rose delta
According to Halopedia, Spartan 458 is canon, but the crossover itself is not recognised as canonical.
leaden rune
It is in doa so
Also we never seen her in halo so you never know
Also halopedia isn't even legit or canonical
humble yacht
Halopedia does its best to cite official sources. So you should look at the citation for where it talks about spartan 458
rose delta
"Bungie and 343 Industries have confirmed that Nicole is "based on a 'real' and properly defined Spartan", but her appearance in Dead or Alive 4 is non-canonical."
humble yacht
Right, this was a statement from 343 in some archived forum
So canonically,, Nicole never went to DOA
rose delta
I do agree that created works hold more weight than the word from developers and publishers in some instances, but unless we actually see evidence SUPPORTING the cross-over coming from a first party source, I see it as entirely non-canon until proven otherwise.
humble yacht
It’s rare that statements like that directly contradict events or scenes from the works of fiction
Most of the time it’s just adding context, like when Bungie and 343 said noble 6 was dead
Besides, different fictions don’t share a single canon. That would be impossible
rose delta
Speaking of canon, how well does Ghosts of Onyx and the other novels featuring Spartan IIIs go against Halo: Reach? There seem to be some inconsistencies, like when and how Halsey knew of their existence.
humble yacht
This has been addressed already
It’s all canon
Halopedia has a breakdown of the inconsistencies and how they were reconciled
leaden rune
I will ask bungie themselves and confirms it. It doesn't change the fact that it's canon to doa and in the multiverse.
It also stated that her official canonical status is unknown
If anything her being trapped in the 21th century explains why we haven't seen her
Funny because you can find her doa bio on on there OFFICIAL WEBSITE
Bungie themselves literally said that is how she got to the doa universe. Nothing contradicts anything from halo
humble yacht
And 343 published an article explaining how Kat and Emile got to the gears universe. Doesn’t make it canon. Crossovers are not supposed to be taken seriously
Canonically, Nicole is not trapped in the DOA universe
violet notch
Most of the time guest star crossovers are nothing more than easter eggs.
The Arbiter isn't trapped in the Killer Instinct universe anymore than Nicole is trapped in the DOA universe.
Link was never canonically in the Soul Calibur universe either.
The only truly gray area is the Mortal Kombat guest stars. Since there's a lot of crossovers with DC characters. And Netherrealm studios is owned by WB, who also owns DC. And DC loves having canonical multiverses.
However their 80's horror and action movie guest stars are definitively non-canon.
leaden rune
Dude. Those don't have CANONICAL EXPLANATIONS for why they are there bungie themselves stated it so I'd rather listen to them then a bunch of fans. I messaged multiple bungie employees on Twitter so I'll get an clear answer
violet notch
What I think you mean is that they don't have explanations. But they in fact do. Most of the time fighting games will have bio pages explaining how they got there.
But those don't make it canon. That's just a trope of the genre.
They're still nothing more than guest star easter eggs.
leaden rune
Also explain to me how kula and naotora are canon yet spardan 458 isn't. Just because it's not canon to halo doesn't make it not canon to doa. It's called a multiverse
humble yacht
Not all fictional properties are related to each other
Even the ones with crossover events
As far as Halo is concerned, Nicole is not trapped in some alternate dimension. DOA can do whatever they want with her but that’s not relevant to halo
leaden rune
What did I just say. Its canon to the doa multiverse
violet notch
Yoda, Vader, and Starkiller all guest starred in Soul Calibur 4. All got bio pages explaining how they got there and what they were doing. That doesn't mean Yoda left Degobah to fight on medieval Earth.
leaden rune
And we never seen her in halo so you don't know.
violet notch
It wasn't canon to Soul Calibur any more than it was to Star Wars.
Same is said for DOA and Halo.
humble yacht
We do know because Bungie and 343 said that In halo, she never traveled through time or multiverses or whatever
violet notch
It's just for fun. I think you're looking too much into it.
leaden rune
It was literally on there website for a while
violet notch
Okay, but that still doesn't change the fact it was just for fun
humble yacht
Like I said, there is an article on waypoint saying that Kat and Emile were sent to investigate some dimensional rift and ended up in the gears universe. It’s noncanon
leaden rune
Both dynasty warriors and kof are canon crossovers
humble yacht
As far as halo canon is concerned, Nicole is either dead or off doing here own missions somewhere
violet notch
Just because two other franchises made their crossovers canon, doesn't mean everybody's was.
Mortal Kombat and DC Comics are both owned by the same parent company, and both love making multiverses canon. And that's their right and ability to do so. But that doesn't mean that that policy applies universally to all crossover events.
leaden rune
" she's either dead or off doing something else" yeah and this totally invalidates everything. In fact that makes it more possible
steel stone
If Emile and Kat were non canon then why come up with some story about some dimensional rift? why not just add them into the game without needing that? maybe im missing something.
humble yacht
If she’s off doing her own thing, it’s not time traveling to a fighter game universe
humble yacht
If Emile and Kat were non canon then why come up with some story about some dime...
Because they were having a bit of fun with the crossover
violet notch
If Emile and Kat were non canon then why come up with some story about some dime...
Because it's still a fun excersize to do that anyway. It's a trope.
steel stone
I think it was hilarious but I can see that XD
humble yacht
It’s so obviously noncanon that they knew they could write something like that with hopefully everyone not taking it seriously
I guess they were wrong about that
steel stone
Now I can add Mario to my fanfiction about him saving Reach on Yoshi killing Elites
rose delta
The argument seems kind of moot anyways if we're talking about alternate universes or multiverses. For all we know, the Emile/Kat/Nicole that were sent to another universe aren't even the SAME person as in the Canon Halo. Could be a nearly identical Halo universe that was connected rather than the very same.
leaden rune
I'm fine with that
humble yacht
For now, halo doesn’t operate on multiverse theory.
violet notch
I saw a rather well made fanfilm that crossed over Star Wars, Star Trek, Halo, Mass Effect, and even Dr. Who.
It's just something that nerds like to do. Like kids on a playground who brought all different toys, and like to play with them together.
leaden rune
You don't know that
steel stone
Yeah I dont think its multiverse as well.
humble yacht
The thing about fiction is that it doesn’t exist until it’s written in. Could they write in multiverses later? Sure. But until they do, it’s not a thing
So as of right now, it’s not a thing
steel stone
I like the idea of it, its not meant to be something we take seriously just for some devs to do because its a franchise we like so much.
They made an explanation on why its there but we all know its just there for fun and what ifs.
leaden rune
Actually it has a infinite number as stated in halo silentuim
rose delta
Okay, so we can agree that - as far as can be currently proven - no multiverse is supported by the Halo Canon Universe. There MAY be a parallel universe that could connect to others which would make the multiverse theory canon, but until proven OTHERWISE, it's not the case.
humble yacht
If you’re talking about vacuum energy destroying fledging universes to power forerunner tech, that’s different
leaden rune
I literally just told you were it's stated
humble yacht
For one thing, those universes die just after formation, meaning nothing happens in them aside from their respective big bangs
leaden rune
We know that alternate universes and time travel exist in halo
violet notch
Do we?
steel stone
That infinite thing could be true, I remember reading about how there are many species in halo we have not seen yet that are intelligent
humble yacht
The time travel thing was due to the forerunner crystal and it was less time travel and more time dilation
steel stone
All those creatures bungie scrapped could easily fit in
leaden rune
Yes we do.
violet notch
Even given that. That doesn't automatically make DOA canon to Halo.
steel stone
I dont think any franchise fits in with Halo.
violet notch
The presence of multiverse theory in the canon of any fiction does not automatically make that fiction also canonically a part of another fiction.
steel stone
I did not get any of that.
leaden rune
It makes it canon to halo via the multiverse. Doesn't have to be canon to YOUR halo just a version of it which it does
violet notch
There's no such thing as my Halo.
I don't own the IP. I don't get to decide what's canon and what's not.
rose delta
Hold on, I can see where Reggie's coming from, lemmie just type it out.
leaden rune
The game halo whatever
humble yacht
There’s only one halo and only one halo verse
DOA and halo are not part of some greater multiverse
violet notch
Headcanon =/= Canon
Headcanon really only works in 2 places. Games where you define your own player character, like in most western RPGs. And places where plotholes may be present, and may need some suspension of your own disbelief to reconcile them.
leaden rune
Not headcanon.Do you guys even know what a multiverse is.
violet notch
Yes
rose delta
So his general thoughts are kinda like follows:
Universe A is the Halo Canon, everything proven via books, games, and so on.
Universe B is a parallel universe, nearly identical.
Universe A is completely isolated, no connection to any other media or multiverse, maintaning the canon.
Universe B COULD have multiverse connections, thus POTENTIALLY making the connections of THAT Universe, but not that of Universe A, canon.
leaden rune
THE BOOK LITERALLY SAID THAT HALO HAS INFINTE MULTIVERSES
steel stone
So we getting kirby playable in Halo soon?
violet notch
Does that mean Halo and Star Trek could be canonically linked?
steel stone
Infinite in what way exactly?
rose delta
Only after Shadow the Hedgehog.
violet notch
No. It doesn't
leaden rune
It can still be canon to a VERSION of halo. Just like RVB
violet notch
DOA was nothing more than an Easter egg crossover event used to jointly promote 2 of the 360's launch titles.
steel stone
If there is something we are all missing is that every franchise is inspired by another meaning they would have many things that are similar.
If not the same
humble yacht
You lost all credibility saying that RvB could be canon
steel stone
All because it says we can do this does not mean another franchise should be the same.
humble yacht
If I go out and write a story about master Chief going to the animal crossing island to catch butterflies, and publish it on fanfic.net, it doesn’t make it part of the halo “multiverse”
Even if my story got super popular and generated a company
leaden rune
Yeah because INFINTE MULTIVERSES mean nothing to you guys
violet notch
An ex dev/writer, after leaving Bethesda, went out and published his own glorified fanfic, and for some reason some among the fanbase consider it canon.
humble yacht
How about you cite what book thats from
violet notch
No it's not
humble yacht
An ex dev/writer, after leaving Bethesda, went out and published his own glorifi...
The fan base doesn’t decide what’s canon
violet notch
Tell that to the Elder Scrolls community
leaden rune
Yes is it. THE GODHEAD LITERALLY MAKES IT CANON. Also todd Howard agrees with it
violet notch
You'll get REEEEed
steel stone
The original source is always canon because thats what the original creator made.
violet notch
See what I mean?
humble yacht
If they don’t want to live in reality, that’s on them
leaden rune
Unless your saying tod Howard is wrong
violet notch
Lol, preach
leaden rune
Yeah the guy who made skyrim is wrong
humble yacht
Didn’t he get memed to the “sweet little lies” song?
violet notch
Also skyrim is different because in skyrim EVERYTHING is canon
Does that mean that Alduin is simultaneously also canonically Macho Man Randy Savage, and Thomas the Train Engine?
leaden rune
Yes.
violet notch
Hahahahahaha!
violet notch
You realize how ridiculous that is, right?
leaden rune
Yeah and it's in the lore so. It's not the only one. Minecraft is the same thing
violet notch
Yes I do know the lore.. Yes I do. But unfortunately the Elder Scrolls community has confused itself into thinking that canon is whatever they say it is, and not Bethesda.
leaden rune
Todd Howard is Bethesda bro
humble yacht
If you truly believe that then you’re completely illogical and there isn’t a point in continuing this topic
leaden rune
And he literally says otherwise
Not my fault you don't know the lore and don't believe what the CREATORS SAY
humble yacht
Alright, time to move on from this nonsense
Let’s get back to discussing actual halo lore and universe
steel stone
What does Moa burgers taste like?
humble yacht
Probably something close to emu
steel stone
Ah ok thanks!
humble yacht
But it’s weird because moa meat can be used to make burgers but also nuggets
steel stone
Nuggets are my delight
humble yacht
Which is really weird, you don’t hear about beef nuggets or chicken burgers
And the ground pounder sandwich has both moa burger patties and a fried chicken breast on it, so the meats have to taste different
pale zephyr
If in doubt, it probably tastes like chicken o:
humble yacht
Nah
steel stone
Thats weird maybe they might elaborate on it in Halo Infinite, if they have another city mission we might get another ad for them.
humble yacht
There’s be no point in putting both meats on one sandwich if they tasted the same
There isn’t gonna be a moa burger stand on zeta halo
steel stone
YES THERE WILL BE
rose delta
The Moa kinda looks more like a Cassowary, so I thought it might taste more like that.
...Which allegedly tastes like human flesh.
steel stone
Ew...