#lore-and-universe
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What is the purpose of that tank?
I really hope that it is not a reactor.
I really hope we get some more Halo comics someday
Likely will
More spin-offs too
What did Jorge-052 store in his backpack, ammunition?
picnic supplies and a handwritten note from his mother
Improbably but are there any whips in Halo? Got castlevania on my mind. Anywhere in lore?
why is halo 4 and 5 called the reclaimer saga if all the reclaiming was done in halo 123
What reclaiming was done?
They might be referring to how Guilty Spark calls Chief reclaimer.
4 and 5 are called the Reclaimer Saga because of the idea of humanity taking the Mantle and the obstacles that are getting in their way
Spartan IVs can digest food more efficiently and they can digest things normal people can
like straight up wood
Did Emiles helmet inspire Orbital?
orbital skull pattern i nhalo 4 probably
Ok just wondering
I never expect to find you here
How does a "mind melter" work?
Probably similar to how it works in other franchises
It probably either wipes your memories or makes you a vegetable
whos a good person to watch on youtube for halo lure is halo follower good he has the most subs trying to catch up on halo
No
That explains why ODSTs became so unhinged after being subjected to them.
Well gotta be a little crazy anyway to want to be an ODST
Hiddenxperia
Sub count dont mean crap
halo canon is good too
meh, they're all the same to me
Ah yes, using unorthodox and specialised tactics to defend humanity. What an absurd concept to idolise.
@pulsar pivot thxt
Np
No, the terms are interchangeable.
@versed helm always considered it a waste, least covenant pods allow the occupants to maneuver the device as they descend
Persecuting an entire race for false reasons is also a waste of life.
Could a been some good soliders
@versed helm yeah, but I was speaking of the fact, you train these guys for a long time, and their pod just pancakes into the ground
If the humans did join the covenant how zealous do you think they would be
Bungie just wanted to impress the audience when creating the ODSTs.
Correct.
@versed helm true, but you don't get much control in their pods
What are you talking about? ODSTs can re-adjust their course on a whim.
Not as well as a covenant pod
That feature literally saved Alpha Nine.
But perhaps I need to double check Warfleet
As for the h4 and 5 thing, I have nothing wrong with the didact and his knights being around. Its just the execution of how it was done
Humanity's technology is evidently going to be drastically inferior. Comparing them to the Covenant's technology is just borderline unfair.
Always found that funny thanks to the NOVA
@versed helm there is no technically, they exist.
But I do agree 4 and 5 are lacking in a smooth pattern of narrative storytelling
True, the enemy AI felt more simplistic
I'd rather pretend the Banished never existed.
I am on the fence with the Banished
The Didact was mentioned in halo 3 terminals. Even if you are a Bungie purist, he existed
I think he means the two didact method Chim
You did read the terminals right? In halo 3? The didact survived
Yeah
Sure, different one, but still
Didact.
The Forerunnrer trilogy shows thr didact from the h3 terminals, was a forerunner imprinted with the knowledge of the original didact
This didact, went into exile outside the galaxy like the other forerunners as penance
While the original was sealed away by his wife
Compartmentilzation
As said in Halo 3, compartmentalization
Knowledge was removed, in case of flood capture
He didn't know of his own past, anything outside his ring
?
It was part of his duty?
He didn't know of his own past, anything outside his ring
He was assigned there by Bornstellar
This is Halo 3 lore.
His past as a living human
No, he was a convict.
sigh
Geez.
Ok listen
Ares. Calm down.
343, was a human character from the novel Cryptum
During the events of the 2nd novel, his body was damaged, and his mind put into a monitor shell to preserve
-_-
The games and books are interconnected.
That was Bungie's way
Okay?
Not all
Is there a problem with that?
I agree, I am not fond of it
Wait a moment, why are you even bothering with arguing about this topic if you firmly believe that the material is non-existent?
None of this exists, therefore you have no reason to complain with your logic.
Cute
All right.
The point either way, is that not all expanded lore, at least in regards to the Forerunners, is broken
It isn't
Wrong
Again
As I said earlier
In OT, it is confirmed some survived
The terminals are part of the game, my dude
Terminals count as lore
Lore is part of the story
Take a chill pill
You know what, go for it
Are you going to behave like a mature individual?
Say your piece
This is discord. You don’t need silence to type
...
This is pretty amusing either way
It’s gonna end one way or another
Indeed
I am not the person telling users to leave a server for informing them about the truth.
I have to say, reading that message made me chuckle.
At the end of the day, you have developed an interpretation of a timeline that is unofficial.
How would you go about explaining that, when thr current lore was purposefully limited on the Forerunners prior to the Greg Bear books. We know the didact survived, and we are never shown how monitors are created before they either
Now that was just rude
That's pretty unnecessarily hostile.
Yeah
Uh uh
Anyway, you are simply saying you want the parallel universe idea, when nothing backs such a thing up
Look at it this way, nothing in halo shows proper multi universes exist. Bungie lore was silent on that, while new lore shows they are consumed via forerunner tech as a power source
I do not remember seeing nor hearing that statement in H2.
Halo 3 is the first to contradict that.
Spark said it
Ending with Spark and Tartarus
And yea, spark thought EVERYONE died
No, it was h2
Not CE or 3
Again, spark's knowledge was limited
He would have no clue some survived
And such a thing would have been kept from him regardless
Spark thought all the forerunners died just like the UNSC thought Chief died in halo 3
A parallel timeline that is not official.
There is no parallel reality. It’s all one timeline
Ok, where is this "realm" being cut off at
This channel is for actual canon, not head canon
The people who care about being correct, lol.
You have nothing backing your claim up
He only has insults at his disposal.
Let’s keep the insults to a zero
Mhm
What did I say about insults?
Ares
Yes, arguing with a moderator will be fruitful...
Its the insults themselves that ar eroding to be an annoyance
" simple minds/idiots/roleplayers"
A mature discussion wouldn't have those
Would be no need for them, at the very least outloud
Not me no
The problem though, is you should care.
No, you simply stated that I lacked the intelligence to comprehend your beliefs, lmao.
You were behaving in a rude manner, which was unnecessary and unwarranted.
The idea of an alternate timeline is not supported by the current lore.
I, attack you?
Calm down dude
I tell you now, I wish that I was in an alternate timeline where this discussion never started.
Speaking of the didact though
I do wonder, if Bornstellar should have gone to awaken the ur didact or not after the domain was repaired
Hm. I could see it.
Changing subject
I am actually a little surprised really
"It feels like I forgot something...must not have been important!"
He knew thr didact's fate, but left him there
Surely waking him up would have been better
Oh yeah duplicates
I understand that Ares, there are things about halo i am not happy with either
Somebody probably created a widebody kit for the Warthog, lol.
Hm?
What is this lol
A Saturday
An after market modification.
They usually widen the fenders of a car.
I keep forgetting how many halo novels there are
Does almost.make me wonder how.many varieties of the civilian hog exist
I like it, enriches the universe.
There is probably a variant that includes traditional rally fog lights.
Probably
Rally Warthog
Not to mention the variant of it
How many accidents have happened from the civilian hogs due to random falls from cliffs
Also poor suspension flipping a hog from a small bump
I imagine they are a sturdy vehicle
The Warthog was suitable for all-terrain except for Ice.
In game they're basically a glass cannon
Also warthogs are one of the impractical vehicle design I've ever seen no protection for the occupants whatsoever it's basically a glorified technical
The Warthog always felt out of place for use in the 26th-century
Most of the UNSC vehicles feel out of place
The Scorpion tank is one of the worst tank designs ever
An Abraham's tank hell even a T-90 would blow it out the water
That's what happens when no real wars take place, style over substance man
Well there was the Inner Colony Wars, but we know barely anything about that.
Plot twist - the only real colony wars turned out as the galaxy's biggest bar fight
bad joke alert
How effective would a nuke be against a large Flood outbreak?
Depends on how powerful the nuke is and the range of Flood
Lets say it's a continent wide outbreak
Then you would need...a whole lot of nukes
Or a NOVA bomb
If at that point you don't care about the planet, at least
How many NOVA bombs does the UNSC have so far since we only see two instances of their use
Also, could ANVIL Station have been taken over by the Created yet?
Probably just those two
I would not be surprised
Same
So is there anything that the Created haven't taken over or neutralized yet besides Sanghelios?
No idea. Though I think they got Sanghelios, too
Didn't half of Sanghelios get EMPed by the Guardian?
Yeh
So would Venezia be a good place to hide from the Created?
By that point I don't think even the world's arsenal of nukes could do anything about tht
Yeah just evac the planet and blow it up
Problem there, if the flood have already overun an inhabited colony world, it's likely already too late
Unless you have a covenant fleet large enough, I can't see anyone else managing to quarantine a whole planet
Even then
Easier to get a covenant fleet then a halo ring
This man went from 0 to 100 real quick
If one ship escaped it would doom the galaxy
Does the Kilo-5 Trilogy deserve the hate it gets?
laughs in playing doom music while playing flood
Yes
How populated would Luna be exactly since it was one of the first worlds humanity colonized?
Don't think its ever been said
Given its environment, probably in the low thousands
Likely, tens of thousands at best I'd wager
Also, is Bhuj referring to the Indian city of Bhuj or a human colony named Bhuj?
Fairly populated. Buck mentions that it's some of the most densely populated cities in the UNSC on the moon, at least one of which is visible from Earth with the naked eye.
No. It’s some peoples favourite.
Doubt it. Pretty much I’d say only small reclaimed colonies and places
Who's replacing Serin at Kilo-five?
Dumb question that probably doesn't have an answer for at the current time:
how much of UNSC and "Old Covenant" space is left in which it haven't been conquered by Cortana and her AI uprising ?
San Shyuum : Untracable
Jiralhanae: Dosiac
Sangheili: Unknown
UNSC: Harvest, Arcadia, other Covenant-conquered that was not on Cortana and the AI's attention
so, people are getting angry at Cortana's "naked" design (I'm not one of them) so, is there any in-universe explanation?
Ask Halsey for that. Since she's the one that create Cortana, I'm sure there is a reason for it. Most UNSC AI's that has visual wears clothes such as Serina, Isabel, Roland, Deja, etc.
OI HALSEY! MIND EXPLAINING WHY YOU KIDNAPPED KIDS AND MADE A HOT A.I.!?
🤨
Feminists getting angy over cortana's design
Let’s not
not what
okay.
Cortana and all other ai choose their own appearance
She's naked to be weirdly unique but also plain like Master Chief (So players can connect with them a lot more easily) but also be the center of the room/always grab everyones attention
Its pretty much a power move to always be ontop of any conversation
lmao, seems useful
Heretics
ik
takes a big gulp Heretics
WE SHALL SLAUGHTER THEM
Cortana chose to look how she does
FEAST ON THEIR CARCASSES
I dont care that they changed it
Please don’t post in all caps
But come on
okay.
can i break the caps lock key on my keyboard?
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huh
all i did was reply
I wonder if Cortana received any external forms of inspiration for her different appearances.
Mabye it was that little spark of rampancy that made her change her look
I was addressing all of her appearances.
The only change in appearance that has any lore reasoning is halo 5’s. Everything else is really just artistic license
Looks like I was mistaken again.
You can turn the tag off when replying
Like this
this is what i was basing all this off of: https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/games/2015/11/stop-insulting-our-intelligence-pretending-theres-good-reason-naked-women
it got a good chuckle out of me.
They would feel offended by french commercials for hair and skin products then
and yogurt
I will not post any here
What a bunch of Liberals
Like shut the hell up its rated m for a reason
🤨
Idk
I’m just confused why this is all going in the lore and universe channel
Hey, I was on leave before the attack on Corbulo Academy
we are your fans
I took the space elevator just before the attack to see my family
Hope you’re keeping well
x

Can’t wait to see you reunited with the Chief
#bringbackbeamish
beamish is the only thing that gives me hope in life
I should be a janitor in infinite
beamsh is hero
The head janitor
On April 26th, 2026 the ship that contained multiple civilians, including Hamish Beamesh, is captured by the covenant during the Battle of Circinius IV, and civilians are forced to work janitorial jobs on high charity so the covenant wouldn’t have to expend its combat ready troops for maintenance purposes as POWs. Hamish Beamesh is sighted on High Charity preforming janitorial duties in the HALO 2 remastered cutscene during the year 2552. After the war Hamish Beamesh along with multiple civilians are returned to humanity. Hamish Beamesh returns to preform janitorial duties on the UNSC Infinity
In the cutscene in halo 2 with the arbiter and other elites are they speaking English or is it sangheli being translated
It’s generally accepted that they’re speaking sangheili and the speech is translated for the player’s convenience
Ok
I wonder if you were to fall off of the station on the gas giant in 2 how long until you die
A long time
What would eventually kill you
The flood
The flood infection forms have already taken the station
No if you fell off the station
Yeah
In the Halo: The Flood boom, Beamish is stated to have been “The demon who cleansed the rings”. This is generally accepted to have meant that he literally cleaned installation 04 after John Halo destroyed it.
He remained on the ring performing his holy duty until 2557 when the Nightfall team takes place.
He is picked up by Locke and gang.
Some speculate that due to his speed and precision in floor mopping; he must be a SPARTAN IV.
However he is not. He is just that good.
I feel like Beamish is just a joke character like Chips Dubbo was
It makes me curious if Gravemind's mind is actually weak or not. Since his mind was made from compounds of absorbed minds, I'm more interested on his actual mind whether it was weak, strong, or tough.
Considering Beamish was immune to the flood, I’d say the graveminds mine was exponentially weaker than it would have you believe
It makes me think that people from other series such as Yuri from Red Alert can take control of Gravemind through mind-control.
Considering compounding mind is dangerous against someone that was capable of mind-control.
Yes, I destroyed the flood with bleach, oxyclean, and a mop.
Chips dubbo is a legend
Alucard unblock me
@sacred knoll please don’t roleplay in this server
Can anyone tell me what on earth is going on in Halo 3 when Chief gets those messages from Cortana from halfway across the Galaxy?
Is it telepathy? Like the kind that allows the Flood to have a hivemind without physical contact or tech to transmit signals right, we can agree that that's just plain ol' psychic stuff. And Cortana sending messages to Chief in Halo 5 through the Domain confuses me as well. Chief's not hooked up to the domain, so how's he getting those visions? Is she still using the same telepathy she used in H3? Maybe in Halo 3, Cortana is piggybacking off Gravemind's psychic powers to send those rampant sounding message to Chief?
Lot's of questions and theories here. Can someone help me piece it together? Am I on the right track?
It’s meant to just be her futzing with suit comms remotely I think
I doubt that
Also because Bungie willed it into the script
I think they were far out of range for it to be a comms thing. I think it was gravemind telepathy
Remotely from halfway across the galaxy? I doubt it's that simple.
It has to be via Gravemind, right? Afterall Gravemind sends you signals in much the same way in the same game.
But that also begs the question. Is she doing the same thing in H5? Only this time via the Domain?
In H5 I think it’s a bit different.
I’m not, It’s a joke because my discord name is “Hamish Beamish”
I think cortana took advantage of whatever the Librarian did to Chief
That lets him hear forerunner communications
Joke or otherwise, it’s still roleplay
Please don’t do that
So he would be hooked up to the Domain? Just by virtue of being given Forerunner... uh... "upgrades"?
Not directly to the domain, but potentially capable of connecting to it similar to how forerunners did
It’s not very clear what the nature of that vision was
Okay. I think I got it now. So I was right, more or less? In H3 she's piggybacking off Graveminds telepathy since they're both in such close contact, and she's probably been infected with his power a bit. And in H5 she's using the Domain and connecting to Chief with his Forerunner Upgrade. Sound right?
Righto
I don’t think there is a definitive answer. It’s generally accepted that the H3 Cortana visions are actually the gravemind using her against him. But it’s not like we have a primary source on that afaik
I don't know if they're all 100% Gravemind. Since some of the messages seem in character for Cortana. Granted some of them definitely sound like she's going insane. But that very well could be exactly what's happening. She admits when you find her that she's been corrupted. So it could be a mix of the two. Literally as she's becoming an AI Flood Host?
At the time those messages were sent, gravemind had hacked Cortana and was actively driving her towards rampancy
The short story Human Weakness suggests that it was gravemind pretending to be her to lure Chief back to high charity
Right, but since it was Cortana that was hacked here, and Cortana he was weilding as a puppet, more or less, perhaps not 100% of the message that comes across is Gravemind. Some of it could still be Cortana reaching out through Gravemind.
Maybe but unlikely
"But perhaps a part of her... remains?"
The gravemind was aware when Cortana sent a message to that covenant ship that flew to earth. He let it happen, although he didn’t know the content of the message
But like I said before, there really isn’t a definitive answer to the nature of the messages
Your assessment could be right or it could be wrong
Was it ever directly specified that Kig-Yar bones are hollow and weak or is that a headcanon that was soft-canonized?
Well they're avians so it makes sense.
They're avian-like aliens so there can be subtle differences in their physiology we haven't seen yet, which is why I asked.
And I don't have a problem with it. It does make sense to make that assumption.
Well nature isn't limited to Earth. What ends up working on Earth and creating viable species could easily work on another planet too. What works, just works, and it doesn't matter what planet you're on. The only difference it'd make would be the differences that the end result has. The Grunts lived on a methane planet, so they breath methane, but other than that, they're yet another bipedal species with organs and structures aligned in their bodies not unlike humans, elites, brutes, jackals, etc, etc. They have a head at the top, two arms, two legs, their brains are in the same place, they use lungs, or organs akin to lungs, in order to breath, etc, etc.
Because that [poop] just works. And it's not hard to believe that with millions of years of evolutionary trial and error, nature on other planets came to the same conclusions as it did on Earth, and a lot of the Alien physiology looks pretty recognizable.
So when you see an avian species of aliens, and you know from experience that avians have hollow bones on your planet. The logical conclusion is justifiable, that it'd work in much the same way on theirs.
Breathing methane is pretty outside of the realm of existing biology, tho
It may sound like a minor different But the implications are crazy
At that point it's just the scifi trope of, "they're like ..., but different!" And then you apply your dose of suspension of disbelief that you would for any fantasy or scifi setting.
The problem is I know too much about biology to suspend that disbelief
My opinions on why the aliens are mostly recognizable, also applies to why their technology and weaponry is recognizable. They have grenades, tanks, rifles, swords, shields, etc, etc. And all that looks very familiar. When you would think that if their societies developed in completely different environments, that their weapons would look and act as alien as they are. But they don't, really. There's a few differences, yes. The needler has a quirk that an smg doesn't have, and the plasma grenade acts differently from a frag grenade. But beyond that, they're not too different from our weapons. They're still a small automatic projectile launcher and a toss-able rotund explosive.
The beyond-the-4th-wall reason is obviously that the game developers wanted to make the alien guns as intuitive to the player as the human guns. But it's not hard to believe that the same rule of trial and error from biological evolution is at play here for technological evolution. What works, just works, and the aliens more than likely went through the same processes of discovery, ingenuity, and invention that we did on earth. And what worked, did, and what didn't fell out of use. And in the end, they came to a lot of familiar conclusions. And a lot of familiar technology.
I dont think the original developers at bungie really meant for the guns to be just the exact same on each side. While guns where similar, each was meant to play a direct role in the environment (i.e. all the covenant weapons where projectile based and could destroy shields or had special effects while human ones where faster but did less damage against shields but did more damage on non shield based enemies) so while some may have been similar, I dont think it's right to say they had a close to maybe exact evolution (especially since it was shown that the covenant had many forerunner artifacts that where easily reverse engineered on there planets which definitely boosted there culture growth exponentially)
I noticed in Halo 3's The Covenant, the final cutscene of the level shows Cortana's "ghost" moving around. Did they ever explain how she manages to do that?
Could be more psychic signals being sent to Chief. Afterall the Arbiter is there with him and doesn't seem to see her when he asks "what do you see?"
Only in that cutscene the signals aren't in first person, they're in 3rd.
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This document briefly mentions it. No concrete answers but in-universe sort of, mentions of that.
They made some determination that it might’ve been residual elements of Cortana’s matrix that still existed in chief’s armor, but afaik this theory was never proven
It was just the best explanation they could come up with
Oh i think the first thing has to do with gravemind and second thing with domain
But in universe that's what was ruled and knowing John, I don't think he believed it was only that, but did not want to say further
That’s why Chief is a bad self insert
If I were Chief, upon reuniting with cortana, I’d be like “what the hell were you doing with my brain?”
I would be like that was pretty annoying
I mean i'm trying to take his bookself and see the situations, shadows of reach and so on
this is probably a weird topic to discuss especially considering that halo infinite hasn't released yet, but what sort of story should the next halo offer? (after infinite) I'm just curious as to what everyone else thinks the ideal story for halo after infinite would be. Maybe it would be halo set on earth, except instead of New Mombasa, you could be in Los Angeles and it could revolve around a sort of revolt against ONI for example? or maybe the same thing except with the covenant instead? This is just one idea, so I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks...
personally I do think it would be cool if we were to play as, say a gang member who was a former spartan II in an earth city, like Sydney or NYC, particularly because we've seen a lot of space and many different species besides humans. I'm not against that at all, however I would also like to know the culture and society of humanity during that period. I think that it would be cool to learn about other humans' beliefs and thoughts about the world, even covering things such as religion, politics, etc. We learned a lot about humanity's progress in halo as well as conflicts with other species, but it would definitely be interesting if halo did take a different direction after infinite, focusing on humanity's societal and cultural side rather than their conflict with extraterrestrial beings as well as ancient relics of past species.
I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me, and I find that valid, this is only my opinion and I am also open to other's
i don't see a spartan being a gang member
say a gang member who was a former spartan II
There's not exactly any option for that possibility, which would be out there to begin with
Even the traitors and AWOLs stuck to being soldiers
well not exactly a gang member, could be transferred to another organization for example
or idk, get thrown in the middle of the city or something
lol
point is, I do think after exploring a lot of humanity's colonies and covenant, it would be nice to explore what life as an average human would be like, at least on earth 500 years from now...
i think something like that would translate better to a book than a game
true
Spartan IIs were aged 5 to 7 when abducted so I don't think any would be gang members.
Best I can see to that, is some SII maybe being a merc for....reasons?
probably to make a living after, well, being abducted and possibly not having a real human record or ID with them...
plus since they're spartans they're obviously trained to shoot so yeah
Eh its an option
They could goes to become a gang member to make a living, like how Randall was stuck at decides to join Sedran Colonial Guard rather than return to UNSC after ONI found him at Vodin.
But yeah, gang member love to have member that doesn't have a real track record, but the problem is they could be reluctant since they could mess with ONI, which they want to try to avoid.
most likely scenario in this case would be a secret group of spartan escapees?
but honestly even then oni would've likely captured most of them anyway...
i mean we are talking 500 years from now, its certain that oni has some sort of tracking system, that or they're just extremely good at finding them on their own
only solution for that is for the spartan to disable the tracker, possibly through hacking it. They could destroy it too but that would definitely need surgery and since they most likely don't have a human record they can't get to a hospital. Even then the hospital would probably turn you in
Since we're on about Spartans, does the "Spartans never die" directorate apply to IVs?
Only for S-II and S-III, I think. They're practically trained since child while S-IV are the volunteers, mainly former ODSTs.
Neural implants has an extreme risk if you want to remove it.
They got rid of that
it doesn't have to be a neural implant, but considering that it does have a high risk of removal it would make sense why ONI would want to do that...
Make sense, as the war is over now.
Whatever happened to Col Holland from reach?
I'll take the guess of dead or got evacuated
So Master Chief vs Noble Six who would win
Chief since he's stronger in every single way possible.
(Not trying to downtalk 6 he's badass but Chief is a Spartan II lol)
Not to mention chief has 30-something years experience of straight war while noble 6's age is most likely in the very young-mid twenties, aka chief has been fighting before 6 was even alive
Chief has something 6 doesn’t
But the role was different for both. Chief was trusted by the entire S-II while Six was like made as an assassin. So in terms of close-range battle, Chief will definitely lost.
Chief is also a Spartan II, I think we all know how much stronger, faster and smarter II's are at this point.
So no, pretty sure close quarters would grant chief absolute victory lol
ah I see we're perpetuating the "Spartan-IIs are always better" myth today
never mind that the Spartan-III program's augmentations were reportedly just as effective as those of the Spartan-IIs
and combined with an even more rigorous training regimen
I mean we know they aren't, just cause you don't like something popular doesn't mean they're worse
Just use base sprint speed as a random example
Spartan III's - 25-33 kph (12-20 mph)
Spartan II's 55-67 kph (34-41 mph. The speeds of Spartan II's changes like every book, kelly is said to be the fastest yet in other novels and all that her 65kph seems to be a baseline all spartan II's can reach, even tho Chief has completely breached that and once sprinted at 129kph)
Thats a ridiculously huge difference.
Spartan III's - 25-33 kph (12-20 mph)
And these numbers are from...?
Reaches enemy and ally ranked pentathlete things, and if I'm not mistaken operation: TORPEDO, Ghost of Onyx etc etc
Okay, yeah, I'm seeing them listed on Halopedia referencing Ghosts of Onyx
Congrats.
I suggest just watching Installation00's video on the difference between Spartan II's III's and IV's
Yeah plot armour
I feel like part of that difference can probably be attributed to SPI armor vs MJOLNIR PAA though.
Even in MJOLNIR they're still slower
Not to mention Spartan II's can just push their particular MJOLNIR past all safety points
again like Chief pushing his armor and body to the limit and sprinting at 129 kph
Just realized I put mph oops
Jun-A266, Emile-A239, and Carter-A259, all wearing Mjolnir armor, ran towards a fallout bunker at around 36 mph to 43 mph (58 kph to 69 kph).
I mean I feel like the one stat I'm aware of for S-IIIs running in MJOLNIR is still pretty comparable to numbers that the S-IIs manage
hey guys, been wondering, does the UNSC ever find anything from the ancient humanity's traces (aside from that ship)?
also, where can i read the halo novels online? cannot find any site
there is kindle
smth else, smth that won't robe my wallet? 😄 😄 😉
but thanks for the advice nonetheless
The UNSC Rubicon learnt about ancient humanity, and many details of Forerunner society and the Forerunner-Flood War from Guilty Spark post Halo 3 on a mission where they were sent to assess what happened to the Ark. However, the crew was killed when Spark crashed the ship
And before you ask, aye, that is the same Guilty Spark we blew up in Halo 3, he survived
The monitors can repair themselves right
He was too badly damaged so he took over the ship instead
He does have a new body these days though
Well he ain't exactly a bowling ball anymore. Does mean no more laser face though
its a trap
thanks for the info, actually i did not know that Spark can be back somehow


Didn't need to tag me and no problem. It's from the novels that we learnt he survived
does the UNSC ever find anything from the ancient humanity's traces (aside from that ship)?
Halo 5's Hellcat armor is implied to be based on recovered ancient human information/technology in its armor description, further reinforced by its visual resemblance to the ancient human armor from Halo 4's terminals.
Who just tagged me?
Do not use profanity or any creative form of bypassing the word filters.
if it's too much for you, i'm sure there are other servers out there that allow profanity
It’s just dumb
Maybe if this was the MLP community or the paw patrol community
I would understand
well it's not changing so you just gotta deal with it
I am dealing with it
So does anyone here have a favourite UNSC ship name?
point of no return
Spirit of fire was cool
either forward unto dawn or pillar of autumn imo
spirit of fire
There's also that ancient human ship that ONI found
Say My Name
My Name
brilliant
Wondering why there is no either Bismarck or Yamato at UNSC
What do you guys think the UNSC and ONI are doing with the rest of Gamma Company?
selling it for vbucks prob
Is that confirmed?
yes
glasslands
Probably is, just havent heard of it yet.
Could see it, though I wonder if the Yamato would follow the idea of brkng a giant warships, or something smaller
Yeah
Yamato should be made as a Heavy Battleship, though. We already seen Vindication-class Battleship, probably we would see Yamato-class Heavy Battleship.
Quick question is the Infinity the biggest ship the Unsc has?
I believe so?
as of 2559, yes
Ok
I decided to read through some of the novels that feature Blue Team, and I can understand why so many people seem to like Linda, lol.
Linda is a beast when it comes to a sniper and recon stuff.
But she’s kinda dull as a character to me. Too zen
I think that trait is somewhat exaggerated.
Well... For someone that was digging in on the religious matter, yep.
Did someone say Linda?
Lone wolf in particular was great for her characterization and new books too have some good stuff in them
I wish the Vulture appeared more often.
Anyone has an idea what was the Librarian going to tell Chief? I mean, she told him about the human-forerunner war, the prometheans's origins as ancient humans who were conscripted as Didact's soldiers etc, but then she also says to John ''you are a culmination of thousand lifetimes of planning''
What for, if you have any clues ?
She's saying she was trying to get humans back up to their previous level, and John is an example of that
yeah, like, she said about helping humanity ever since their devolution caused by the Forerunners
Gamma company still using spi armors?
They mostly got outfitted with Gen2
With mjolnir mark six gen2?
Nah, just any type of Gen2
Spi gen2?
Nah
Are the halo reach armor systems outdated
Also are they gonna bring it back so it’s like the chest plates are the same just different attachments on em
I think the customisation in Infinite will be both chest plates like Halo 4 and 5 where you change the whole armour piece but you can also add things on top of it too
Not sure why you're asking about Infinite's customisation in this channel though
We are the best channel
I recently watched installation 00’s video on spartan IVs being disliked thing. And wow I did not agree with the premise of his video
About spartan-IIs and IIIs. The way he framed them being more than human and so on and flawless
When a lot of the books and media has been on humanizing them. On the flaws and mistakes and that they’re still human
Even halo 4 did
So the entire permise that 2s and 3s are beyond human and the 4s aren’t is so flawed
Even kelly G’s new books on guilty spark teach us how, being human is more than simply being our base biological self.
I would like another short movie like they did with halo 4
I mean the bigger problem with that attitude that the IIs and IIIs were "flawless" is they're only flawless if you think brutal discipline and 100% combat training makes child soldiers into effective troops. And that's probably the most fantastical part of Halo, including slipspace.
The real world has ample evidence that it doesn't work well.
The Spartans of yore probably owe their reputation more to burnishing by chroniclers than their own combat prowesse.
Basically it's a miracle more Spartans haven't snapped, even if you suppose that part of the screening was to prevent that occurrence. Master Chief not being able to stop working even after a tragedy would be the norm not the exception his fellow Spartans are worried about (although I think you can argue definitely Fred have become acclimatized to normal human interaction more than Chief and many others.)
I can see the logic behind this stance. The Spartan IIs are literally entering missions with people who they regard as family members, so every loss would be psychologically catastrophic for them. It makes me question why they did not receive any psychological training to begin with.
I always thought of Spartans as humans 2.0
Wasnt there a special element in mjolnir armor
Special element?
i think toasty means the cristal power core thing
wait no... its the Chrystal gel layer i think
gel layer and liquid crystal layers are different
idk i havent looked into the mjonir armor much recently
thanks for correcting me tho
gel layer is for temp control and shock absorption
ik
liquid crystal layer is for strength enhancement and conducting electrical signals, iirc
That's it
You ever think the unsc will make some sort of lite molnir armor for marines
Or if they could
you mean SPI but for marines?
Yes
Well.... The UNSC did make Mark I exoskeleton to combat unarmored SPARTAN-II during training, I just hope they can advance it for the Marines to wear it.
Let's hope
I mean.
MJOLNIR Mk.I-III eventually lead into the Cyclops.
So.
Make of that what you will.
Ok
If the UNSC can upgrade ODST Armor to feature a similarity like Mjolnir, that will be great.
If they want their ODSTs to get mushed into paste inside their armor, sure.
At least give them sum kind of micro shield, so if they get hit by one plasma round they wont melt.
I feel like it'd be more useful to make some of SPI's tech more widespread. Especially with the stuff ODSTs have to do.
Probably more cost-effective too.
Spi?
Semi-powered infiltration armor
Slight enhancements to wearer strength and agility, but far cheaper to produce and features an active camouflage system.
Plus it doesn't require the wearer be augmented.
Yea, I agree. If you gonna pay billions to get troops somewhere, spend some money to make them able to survive
any good fanfic out there that picks up the halo story from halo 3 onwards and completely dismisses halo 4-5?
I remember some from years ago but I forgot their names
That's really cool
I mean, even the manufacturer manages to make a MJOLNIR version of the ODST, so why not for the regular ones.
How many refugees were there from Eridanus II, from the Covenant invasion to be exact? I want to say low hundreds or low thousands, but I have a feeling that my estimate is wrong.
Should the Covenant methods are ruthless, at least a thousand manages to escape.
But if UNSC can hold the lines, probably dozens of thousands, but never reaches a million due to limited shuttle, like how at Reach did where UNSC can only evacuates less than ten thousands due to limited shuttle available.
@pale imp there is Halo: Insurrection, from pre-halo: Reach days. Was a pretty enjoyable story to read
Speaking of insurrectionists, I always found it pretty dumb how they continue trying to rebel while an alien alliance is attempting to exterminate humanity.
The ones that did probably just didn't understand the gravity of the situation.
ONI wasn’t exactly good at letting people know said gravity.
Yup
So kinda probably their own fault
I mean, even the manufacturer manages to make a MJOLNIR version of the ODST, so why not for the regular ones.
Because there probably isn’t much benefit to use a MJOLNIR-type ODST helmet with normal ODST gear all while likely increasing costs a good bit
Originally they tried to ally with the Covenant. That was used by the Covenant to try and find out more information before betraying that offer, but it didn't work out.
Even Morgan Kinsano manages to join UNSC as a Lieutenant Colonel from one of the Leaders of Insurrection.
I cant quite remember but did generation ships exist in Halo?
I wouldnt see why not
Generation ships?
Oh. Those.
I don't think there's ever been any mentioned in-universe.
Slipspace travel combined with cryo tubes makes them mostly unnecessary
True
That moment when rebel leaders came together was pretty cool for me
United Earth Government would say so
Are there any UNSC ships that were named after famous figures?
Probably
There is one, a UNSC Carrier Musashi, from Miyamoto Musashi. The Legendary Swordsman of Japan.
How very insightful. Thanks!
Where is the UNSC erickyboo?
He said famous figures
It's stated that the unsc was also against insurrectionists was there any update on what happened to them after reach?
Still being rebels
Why would anything in particular happen after Reach?
Idk I figured they'd be extra angry at the unsc for failing to protect reach or something like that
Insurrectionists still occupies a small area of Reach
Even when UNSC abandons it, the Insurrection continues their settlement at where the area was not glassed.
I mean, the Covenant can if they really want to, there's usually just not a point in doing so.
Ye
The Covenant will never glass any area that has forerunner relics.
voi
they also glassed Regret's temple after chief killed him
Reminds me of the pious inquisitor glassing that forerunner stuff, leading to a bunch of events for blue team and gao and ferrets and so on
ferrets?
Ferrets my guy
thanks, will check it out
Who's in command of Kilo-Five after Serin becomes CINCONI?
Why no army guys in H3, H2, and ODST
Because space is the navy’s domain
Yeah but ODST is on earth, h3 has some missions on earth, even H2
facts
So we have the loud mouth spartan 4s
The badass spartan 3s
The legendary spartan 2s
And then Orion 1
Sadly everyone forgets about Orion 1
The only Orion 1 that remains to be remembered is the gung-ho Johnson.
Pretty much
Orion 1 can just be summarized as
Back in my day we had 2 sticks and a rock and we had to share the rock
We dont know what happens to Kilo-Five after
Why didn't the UNSC switch to the old honeycomb hul of the POA when the war happened?
They have to disassemble and reconstruct everything if they want to do that. After the war, the cruisers returns to the honeycomb used on POA.
Because SPESS MEHREENZ!
Idk if I should ask here or in general chat, but what are we orbiting in the map "Condemned"
Is it a star?
I always thought it was just reach but highly glassed
But seeing how reach looks when Halsey speaks, Im doubting its reach now
It's Reach, yeah
Dang
Why didn't the UNSC switch to the old honeycomb hul of the POA when the war happened?
Because the Pillar of Autumn was never refitted to remove the unique structure of early Halcyons?
Why would they need to revert it when such a change was never made in the first place?
Is their a reason UNSC ships have their command deck on the front end of the ship wouldn't it be vulnerable to covenant plasma fire ???
||Why were the Lekgelos so strong in Nightfall? I don’t understand I never heard of them being able to do all that stuff and then they were just plain old buffed...||
Idk if nightfall goes in spoilers or not so don’t click if you haven’t watched it
Lekgelos are more stronger in lore than gameplay
But they like can sense movement and electronics...
Were they always able to do that?
yes why not they're worms
I guess I never heard about it. The movement makes semi sense but the electronics part was odd. Oh well ty for answering my questions
Also idfk unsc just kinda does what it wants
UNSC deserves to lose for even thinking that's a good idea
I don't think all of it are placed in front of the ship. The frigates command deck are placed at the top of the ship.
same thing it's easily exposed
Where do you think you want them to place it?
That's not possible when you want the command to see the battle directly
good thing we got cameras for that
or we can have an observation deck
That makes thing more complicated
how?
Issuing orders, relaying orders, to the point where it needs to be verified, etc.
yeah it's called radio
And it delays the action
Even modern warships at the gun deck needs a verification before they lock on target.
Not really, since the command deck was more fortified than other sections.
it's a glass window lol
Just remember how stupid the Jiralhanae is when commanding a Covenant fleet. They can't do much without direct visual from the bridge.
well the elites command the ship
Elites are faster because they're used to it.
But then again, they lost even they have 3 to 1 advantage
because elites have more experience
It's basically a common sense where the command deck must have a direct visual regardless it has a big risk of getting hit or faster on relaying command. The old rule still stands where you need direct visual to ID the vessels or observing the battlefield. Even if the Command deck is out, there are auxiliaries everywhere, so the ship remains operational without command. Gettysburg is a perfect example for it, where all bridge crew are dead, but VADM Whitcomb and Blue Team can still operate it.
I always found it funny how Sangheili were like "Be honourable! Engage the enemy and never shy away!" and then like "Put ourselves in the middle of the ship! We might get hurt otherwise!" 🙂
But yes, agree with @slim thorn on this one. Never fully trust technology.
which doesn't make any sense because space is big so even finding a ship through direct visual would be absurd
even modern navies don't use direct visual to spot ships
You're saying you never see people with binoculars on modern ships?
don't they use radar
Yeah. UNSC Gettysburg was a perfect example for it. The bridge or command deck was destroyed, but the ship remains operable, which Whitcomb and Blue Team can utilize it for OPERATION: FIRST STRIKE.
For modern navies, you still need a direct visual for kill confirmation. Radar can be deceitful, but direct visual is the best way to confirm if the target is actually destroyed.
The Mk. I eyeball is always a great backup and verifier.
With technology in general: Trust, but verify.
The covenant make a mistake by destroying Gettysburg's bridge, but not ensuring the ship was destroyed.
oh ok so by that logic we shouldn't be using ai
Why not?
No 100% reliance on it, that's the point.
ai control most of the ship
I think you're missing the point. Noone is saying don't use technology. They're saying don't fully rely on it.
yes, and then you have humans verifying things on consoles/screens/windows.
Humans always checks everything, to make sure the AI did it correctly.
When SoF was infiltrated by the Flood. Anders have to do most of the work since Serina is at early stage of rampancy while Jerome is cleaning up the mess.
Do you think that some of the Covenant's members secretly made modifications to their weapons?
Yes
They must have been rather discreet.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the silent shadow killed Kat right?
Wrong
Who then?
An artifact retrieval team
O
Were the invincibility cores of Forerunner origin?
Don't believe its ever said, but I would expect as much
Did that technology ever appear in material outside of Halo 3 and ODST?
Not that i personally recall
Another situation where a piece of technology with unlimited potential is just discarded, lol.
Her stupidity killed her
For not putting up her shield
I am fairly certain that plasma bombardments were disrupting their shields.
Well then bad luck was also a factor
do we talk about the new book in here or the spoiler channel?
If the book was out for more than a month, then you can do it here
when did point of light come out?
March 2
ah, I've been out of loop for a bit.
Halsey presented the new armor to him
i have a question about the lore of sangheili.
would it be considered heresy if one were to mate with the same gender?
Nah
really? that's a surprise...
Why's that?
figured sangheili would be focused on furthering their species, and any good 'warrior blood' vya standard mating. and thus consider anything that would hinder it, heresy, or at least a disgraces
I figure that as long as supposedly high-skill ones took the time to ensure future generations, they were free to do whatever. Not like it'd be a binary deal. That is, if they were even obligated to do so in the first place, rather than just having high priority if they so chose.
Ancient romans and Greeks had battlefield relationships because they thought passion made you fight harder
It’s not that uncommon for warriors
aye, quite true..
well i suppose that makes sense. much appreciated lads
wait are we talking about irl lore or halo lore
Oh wait I should ping you when saying this 
(Don’t ping me back-
Irl lore?
actually you shouldn't. read the rules please
Quite smart we Americans are I tell you
yes, as an american i can confirm, we all no ecsactlee how to spel
Americans cant find Australia on a map
I can do a Australian accent but I wouldn't dare do it near a Australian
Let's go to general as this is a lore chat
Is it possible that the Portal at Voi was built on the site where Marontik once stood?
what did you say mate?
@versed helm no, the geographic areas don't match
Oh
so what are we talking about lore wise im kinda new because I get my lore from hiddenxperia
I suggest reading through some of the articles on Halopedia, as that is widely considered as being the most credible source of information. Hidden Xperia has even used some of their transcripts in his videos too.
ok thanks Stereotomic!
Glad that I could be of assistance.
👍
hmmmmmmmm do you want to talk about what the harbinger is the brute mentioned him in the gameplay demo
I might need to go back and play halo wars 2 and maybe read some books and comics
I know it didnt mention him in the article but still
Nobody knows who the Harbinger is.
We don't even know if the Harbinger is a brute
That's the first time we've visually seen him.
ok im really confused]
I need to jog my halo memory I havent played the games for like two years
wait but then how in craigs name do we know that thats Atriox's second in command
Because 343 told us
Halo Wars 2 would have been a very short game if Jerome was armed with that Spartan Laser.
yeah no kidding
Cutter hadn't quite got the resources for that upgrade /jk
I’m not
why they were my fave enemy to fight in halo
i find them boring
true
I did like to pop grunts in the head with a halo CE magnum
but I think they made a really good feature in halo wars 2 and the fact Atriox held an infection form was pretty cool and scary
for me, the DLC was fanservice for the sake of fanservice. it didn't explain how the flood were still around and so numerous, it didn't change the state of the universe. it was just like "hey, do you like flood? here's some flood"
Plot twist, The Harbringer is Chief's evil clone that Halsey secretly made.
boss battles are fine, if done right
Warden was a good boss battle for Halo, just overused. they should take what worked about Warden as a boss unit and improve it for Infinite. I think fighting Escharum directly would be cool. Would also be cool if we fought the other members of the Hand of Atriox
YES I would love that!
Chapter 4, fight the Warden, Chapter 5, fight the warden, Chapter 7, Fight 3 wardens.
Then the cutscene with like 40
lol
oof
imagine if they actually made you fight 40
oh craig no
I would be up for that in all honesty
Halo: masochism
holy craig what is your problem Midnight
fighting 40 no way
I think it would be a fun challenge
my squad would take 30 mins to revive me
and I would die like maybe 90 times
but I want more lore for the warden
same here but I would keep trying
hmmm ok
something wrong?
no
so who do you think needs more lore in blue team and who do you think till die in halo infinite because they said someone in halo 5 would die in halo infinite ( I hope its not Linda)
will
Can’t talk about leaks, whether they’re real or fake
yeah I shouldnt trust leaks
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but who do you think needs more lore for infinite
yeah
but how do we think there gonna make a return like
are they gonna still hunt Chief
What does the halo ring mean at the end of halo 5 legendary
and what does the start of halo 2 mean with locke
The Locke stuff at the beginning of H2A was to tease Halo 5
You mean Spartans?
Oh
They're just Spartans, there's no "Hunter Spartans"
The halo 2 start didnt make any sense
And they aren't Headhunters. Those are the members of Osiris in the background
Buck, Tanaka and Vale
I wish they got rid of that scene already
I wish the scene worked within the context of Halo 5
But alas, not much we can do about it
WHY DID I SEE THE SAME ARMOR LOCK HAD IN THE CUTSCENE AND I KNOW THEY ARENT HEADHUNTERS THEY JUST HUNT FOR SPARTANS THAT WERE MIA
wut
i think
Chill with the caps lock
That's not their usual job
oh huh
They just happened to be assigned to find John
huh
ok
ok im just confused about osiris at this point they do need ore lore and maybe a few comics and a book for them
more
Locke has Halo Nightfall, Vale has Hunters in the Dark, Tanaka has a few issues of Halo Escalation and Buck has Halo 3 ODST, Halo New Blood and Halo Bad Blood
Yeah, there is a very wide range of material to choose from, lol.
They're not Noble Team where the only one to actually get anything outside of their game is Jun
To be fair, Jorge has a small cameo appearance in the visual adaptation of TFoR.
They were Thanolekgolo, they were apart of a failed plan by the forerunners to combat the flood, this was presumably why they were better than regular lekgolo
Oh tysm
Np
but can they snap?
Exactly what a thought
If they can’t snap I don’t want to hear about them
If the Lekgolo can resist the Infinity Stones radiation, that is...
God his face when it dont work
So what real life human species could be the B'ashamanune?
The what
So what rank would a elite have to be to get a energy sword
in the covenant, even minors could get swords for combat purposes
Oh interesting
I haven’t read up on this, but how exactly did Spark survive?
He ran like hell?
Gotcha, thanks.
he transferred his data onto the UNSC rubicon just before he ran out of power
so for awhile, he was a ship
Which book was it when he transferred to an Armiger?
renegades, maybe
Yup
Greg Bear said that maybe they could be Australopithecus or something similar but he didn’t really go too much into them
Says in the wiki for the behind the scenes tab
Is there any lore or reason why there are so many different types of marines mashed together in halo 4?
What do you mean by different types
Like, on the desert of requiem, you have the camo guys, guys in black and some other mixed up ones
What happened to just the normal uniform green for the marines? Oni security is fine to me, i just wish they didnt have such inconsistent helmets
Lord wise the unsc probably just had more specialized battalions and companies on the Infinity
None lore wise 343 wanted to create their own style
I don’t think it’s explicitly stated
I think it would’ve been better if the desert mission had those tan camo dudes
Eh
Yeah black absorbs light and makes it hot and sweaty right?
So the marines would be a bag of sweat
Truly
Also are h5 grunts aquatic? They seem crablike
I dont like the design halo 5 uses for the elites
Nobody does either
#GiveTheElitesTheirHalo2Or3DesignInHaloInfinite
I still have a soft spot for the sleeveless attire if not the faces at least.
anyone have a personal fav halo book?
just got the first 2 and im excited to check more of them out 
GIVE THEM THE REACH DESIGN IT WORKS SO WELL
Anyways
That would be nice
Yes
I’ve been seeing this SFM dude make some really good halo animations, and imma say, using the reach models really makes it all the better
Nobody does either
I mean. I do.
Not my favorite Sangheili design (that would be the H2A/W2 version) but I’d probably rate it around the same as Reach’s.
The halo 2 spec ops elites I dont like
Sword elite AI get nerfed lol
I would love to see 343 use the ranks that reach did
Speaking of ranks
Which is a higher rank
Zealot or ultra
Zealot is higher
The halo 2 design is good too

