#lore-and-universe

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humble yacht
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no.

versed helm
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What is the purpose of that tank?

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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not even sure its a tank

versed helm
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I really hope that it is not a reactor.

versed helm
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I really hope we get some more Halo comics someday

terse lava
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Likely will

stable flower
unique rune
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What did Jorge-052 store in his backpack, ammunition?
picnic supplies and a handwritten note from his mother

simple locust
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Improbably but are there any whips in Halo? Got castlevania on my mind. Anywhere in lore?

weak pilot
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why is halo 4 and 5 called the reclaimer saga if all the reclaiming was done in halo 123

fair hazel
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What reclaiming was done?

half ravine
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They might be referring to how Guilty Spark calls Chief reclaimer.

humble yacht
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4 and 5 are called the Reclaimer Saga because of the idea of humanity taking the Mantle and the obstacles that are getting in their way

wooden fulcrum
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wat

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augmented digestive system?

humble yacht
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Spartan IVs can digest food more efficiently and they can digest things normal people can

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like straight up wood

desert spade
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Did Emiles helmet inspire Orbital?

fair hazel
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orbital skull pattern i nhalo 4 probably

desert spade
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Ok just wondering

versed helm
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I never expect to find you here

versed helm
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How does a "mind melter" work?

humble yacht
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Probably similar to how it works in other franchises

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It probably either wipes your memories or makes you a vegetable

versed helm
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whos a good person to watch on youtube for halo lure is halo follower good he has the most subs trying to catch up on halo

humble yacht
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No

versed helm
terse lava
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Well gotta be a little crazy anyway to want to be an ODST

pulsar pivot
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Sub count dont mean crap

steep ether
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halo canon is good too

humble yacht
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meh, they're all the same to me

versed helm
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@pulsar pivot thxt

pulsar pivot
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Np

pulsar pivot
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Between lore and canon

versed helm
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No, the terms are interchangeable.

terse lava
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@versed helm always considered it a waste, least covenant pods allow the occupants to maneuver the device as they descend

versed helm
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Persecuting an entire race for false reasons is also a waste of life.

pulsar pivot
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Could a been some good soliders

terse lava
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@versed helm yeah, but I was speaking of the fact, you train these guys for a long time, and their pod just pancakes into the ground

pulsar pivot
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If the humans did join the covenant how zealous do you think they would be

versed helm
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Correct.

terse lava
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@versed helm true, but you don't get much control in their pods

versed helm
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What are you talking about? ODSTs can re-adjust their course on a whim.

terse lava
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Not as well as a covenant pod

versed helm
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That feature literally saved Alpha Nine.

terse lava
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But perhaps I need to double check Warfleet

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As for the h4 and 5 thing, I have nothing wrong with the didact and his knights being around. Its just the execution of how it was done

versed helm
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Humanity's technology is evidently going to be drastically inferior. Comparing them to the Covenant's technology is just borderline unfair.

terse lava
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Always found that funny thanks to the NOVA

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@versed helm there is no technically, they exist.

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But I do agree 4 and 5 are lacking in a smooth pattern of narrative storytelling

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True, the enemy AI felt more simplistic

stable flower
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I'd rather pretend the Banished never existed.

terse lava
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I am on the fence with the Banished

humble yacht
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The Didact was mentioned in halo 3 terminals. Even if you are a Bungie purist, he existed

terse lava
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I think he means the two didact method Chim

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You did read the terminals right? In halo 3? The didact survived

gilded mason
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Yeah

terse lava
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Sure, different one, but still

gilded mason
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Didact.

terse lava
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The Forerunnrer trilogy shows thr didact from the h3 terminals, was a forerunner imprinted with the knowledge of the original didact

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This didact, went into exile outside the galaxy like the other forerunners as penance

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While the original was sealed away by his wife

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Compartmentilzation

gilded mason
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As said in Halo 3, compartmentalization

terse lava
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Knowledge was removed, in case of flood capture

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He didn't know of his own past, anything outside his ring

gilded mason
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?

terse lava
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It was part of his duty?

gilded mason
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He didn't know of his own past, anything outside his ring

terse lava
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He was assigned there by Bornstellar

gilded mason
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This is Halo 3 lore.

terse lava
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His past as a living human

versed helm
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No, he was a convict.

terse lava
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sigh

gilded mason
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Geez.

terse lava
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Ok listen

gilded mason
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Ares. Calm down.

terse lava
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343, was a human character from the novel Cryptum

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During the events of the 2nd novel, his body was damaged, and his mind put into a monitor shell to preserve

versed helm
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-_-

terse lava
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It is here

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As 343 were the ones to dictate it

versed helm
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The games and books are interconnected.

terse lava
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That was Bungie's way

versed helm
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Okay?

terse lava
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Not all

versed helm
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Is there a problem with that?

terse lava
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I agree, I am not fond of it

versed helm
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Wait a moment, why are you even bothering with arguing about this topic if you firmly believe that the material is non-existent?

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None of this exists, therefore you have no reason to complain with your logic.

terse lava
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Cute

versed helm
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All right.

terse lava
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The point either way, is that not all expanded lore, at least in regards to the Forerunners, is broken

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It isn't

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Wrong

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Again

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As I said earlier

gilded mason
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In OT, it is confirmed some survived

terse lava
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The didact lived

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Along with others

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Why do you not see that

gilded mason
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The terminals are part of the game, my dude

humble yacht
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Terminals count as lore

terse lava
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Yes, made by bungie

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In game

humble yacht
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Lore is part of the story

terse lava
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They count

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Also I would recommend relaxing a bit

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Hm...

humble yacht
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Take a chill pill

terse lava
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You know what, go for it

versed helm
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Are you going to behave like a mature individual?

terse lava
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Say your piece

humble yacht
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This is discord. You don’t need silence to type

gilded mason
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...

terse lava
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This is pretty amusing either way

humble yacht
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It’s gonna end one way or another

terse lava
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Indeed

versed helm
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I am not the person telling users to leave a server for informing them about the truth.

terse lava
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But I admit, I am curious on his side

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Ok...and?

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Hm, well the problem there is this

versed helm
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I have to say, reading that message made me chuckle.

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At the end of the day, you have developed an interpretation of a timeline that is unofficial.

terse lava
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How would you go about explaining that, when thr current lore was purposefully limited on the Forerunners prior to the Greg Bear books. We know the didact survived, and we are never shown how monitors are created before they either

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Now that was just rude

gilded mason
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That's pretty unnecessarily hostile.

terse lava
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Yeah

versed helm
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Throwing unnecessary insults will definitely coerce me into believing you.

terse lava
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Uh uh

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Anyway, you are simply saying you want the parallel universe idea, when nothing backs such a thing up

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Look at it this way, nothing in halo shows proper multi universes exist. Bungie lore was silent on that, while new lore shows they are consumed via forerunner tech as a power source

versed helm
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I do not remember seeing nor hearing that statement in H2.

gilded mason
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Halo 3 is the first to contradict that.

terse lava
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Spark said it

gilded mason
terse lava
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And yea, spark thought EVERYONE died

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No, it was h2

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Not CE or 3

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Again, spark's knowledge was limited

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He would have no clue some survived

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And such a thing would have been kept from him regardless

humble yacht
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Spark thought all the forerunners died just like the UNSC thought Chief died in halo 3

versed helm
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A parallel timeline that is not official.

humble yacht
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There is no parallel reality. It’s all one timeline

terse lava
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Ok, where is this "realm" being cut off at

humble yacht
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This channel is for actual canon, not head canon

terse lava
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There's nothing wrong with that per say

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But

versed helm
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The people who care about being correct, lol.

terse lava
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You have nothing backing your claim up

versed helm
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He only has insults at his disposal.

humble yacht
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Let’s keep the insults to a zero

terse lava
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Mhm

humble yacht
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What did I say about insults?

terse lava
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Ares

versed helm
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Yes, arguing with a moderator will be fruitful...

terse lava
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Its the insults themselves that ar eroding to be an annoyance

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" simple minds/idiots/roleplayers"

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A mature discussion wouldn't have those

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Would be no need for them, at the very least outloud

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Not me no

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The problem though, is you should care.

versed helm
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No, you simply stated that I lacked the intelligence to comprehend your beliefs, lmao.

terse lava
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You did actually

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Just in a more formal way

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Anyways

versed helm
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You were behaving in a rude manner, which was unnecessary and unwarranted.

terse lava
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The idea of an alternate timeline is not supported by the current lore.

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I, attack you?

pulsar pivot
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Calm down dude

versed helm
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I tell you now, I wish that I was in an alternate timeline where this discussion never started.

humble yacht
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Let’s move on from this now

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And get back to discussing actual halo lore

terse lava
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Speaking of the didact though

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I do wonder, if Bornstellar should have gone to awaken the ur didact or not after the domain was repaired

gilded mason
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Hm. I could see it.

pulsar pivot
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Changing subject

terse lava
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I am actually a little surprised really

gilded mason
terse lava
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He knew thr didact's fate, but left him there

pulsar pivot
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I'm trying to calm you down man

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Anyway

terse lava
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Surely waking him up would have been better

pulsar pivot
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Oh yeah duplicates

terse lava
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I understand that Ares, there are things about halo i am not happy with either

pulsar pivot
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Then dont

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We talk about lore here

versed helm
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Somebody probably created a widebody kit for the Warthog, lol.

terse lava
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Hm?

half ravine
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What is this lol

terse lava
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A Saturday

versed helm
terse lava
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Ah

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Likely yes

versed helm
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They usually widen the fenders of a car.

fair hazel
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I keep forgetting how many halo novels there are

terse lava
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Does almost.make me wonder how.many varieties of the civilian hog exist

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I like it, enriches the universe.

versed helm
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There is probably a variant that includes traditional rally fog lights.

terse lava
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Probably

pulsar pivot
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Rally Warthog

slim thorn
versed helm
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Also poor suspension flipping a hog from a small bump

terse lava
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I imagine they are a sturdy vehicle

slim thorn
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The Warthog was suitable for all-terrain except for Ice.

versed helm
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In game they're basically a glass cannon

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Also warthogs are one of the impractical vehicle design I've ever seen no protection for the occupants whatsoever it's basically a glorified technical

stable flower
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The Warthog always felt out of place for use in the 26th-century

versed helm
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The Scorpion tank is one of the worst tank designs ever

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An Abraham's tank hell even a T-90 would blow it out the water

shut dew
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That's what happens when no real wars take place, style over substance man

stable flower
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Well there was the Inner Colony Wars, but we know barely anything about that.

shut dew
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Plot twist - the only real colony wars turned out as the galaxy's biggest bar fight

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bad joke alert

versed helm
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How effective would a nuke be against a large Flood outbreak?

gilded mason
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Depends on how powerful the nuke is and the range of Flood

versed helm
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Lets say it's a continent wide outbreak

gilded mason
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Then you would need...a whole lot of nukes

versed helm
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Or a NOVA bomb

gilded mason
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If at that point you don't care about the planet, at least

versed helm
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How many NOVA bombs does the UNSC have so far since we only see two instances of their use

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Also, could ANVIL Station have been taken over by the Created yet?

gilded mason
versed helm
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Same

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So is there anything that the Created haven't taken over or neutralized yet besides Sanghelios?

gilded mason
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No idea. Though I think they got Sanghelios, too

versed helm
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Didn't half of Sanghelios get EMPed by the Guardian?

gilded mason
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Yeh

versed helm
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So would Venezia be a good place to hide from the Created?

versed helm
pulsar pivot
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Yeah just evac the planet and blow it up

terse lava
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Problem there, if the flood have already overun an inhabited colony world, it's likely already too late

pulsar pivot
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WELP

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BLOW EM UP

versed helm
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HALO RING!

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JUST USE A HALO RING

terse lava
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Unless you have a covenant fleet large enough, I can't see anyone else managing to quarantine a whole planet

pulsar pivot
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Even then

versed helm
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Use the nova bombs

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or ring 'em to bits

terse lava
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Easier to get a covenant fleet then a halo ring

pulsar pivot
versed helm
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If one ship escaped it would doom the galaxy

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Does the Kilo-5 Trilogy deserve the hate it gets?

versed helm
pulsar pivot
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Kilo 5?

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Is that a novel

versed helm
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How populated would Luna be exactly since it was one of the first worlds humanity colonized?

terse lava
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Don't think its ever been said

versed helm
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Given its environment, probably in the low thousands

terse lava
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Likely, tens of thousands at best I'd wager

versed helm
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Also, is Bhuj referring to the Indian city of Bhuj or a human colony named Bhuj?

tropic forge
fair hazel
fair hazel
slim thorn
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Who's replacing Serin at Kilo-five?

spiral jewel
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Dumb question that probably doesn't have an answer for at the current time:

how much of UNSC and "Old Covenant" space is left in which it haven't been conquered by Cortana and her AI uprising ?

slim thorn
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San Shyuum : Untracable
Jiralhanae: Dosiac
Sangheili: Unknown
UNSC: Harvest, Arcadia, other Covenant-conquered that was not on Cortana and the AI's attention

versed helm
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so, people are getting angry at Cortana's "naked" design (I'm not one of them) so, is there any in-universe explanation?

slim thorn
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Ask Halsey for that. Since she's the one that create Cortana, I'm sure there is a reason for it. Most UNSC AI's that has visual wears clothes such as Serina, Isabel, Roland, Deja, etc.

versed helm
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OI HALSEY! MIND EXPLAINING WHY YOU KIDNAPPED KIDS AND MADE A HOT A.I.!?

half ravine
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🤨

versed helm
humble yacht
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Let’s not

versed helm
half ravine
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does he really have to explain further lol

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kinda self explanatory

versed helm
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okay.

versed helm
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Its pretty much a power move to always be ontop of any conversation

versed helm
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lmao, seems useful

versed helm
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ik

pulsar pivot
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takes a big gulp Heretics

versed helm
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WE SHALL SLAUGHTER THEM

carmine sleet
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Cortana chose to look how she does

versed helm
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FEAST ON THEIR CARCASSES

pulsar pivot
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I dont care that they changed it

humble yacht
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Please don’t post in all caps

pulsar pivot
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But come on

versed helm
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okay.

versed helm
gaunt oakBOT
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versed helm
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huh

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all i did was reply

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I wonder if Cortana received any external forms of inspiration for her different appearances.

pulsar pivot
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Mabye it was that little spark of rampancy that made her change her look

versed helm
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I was addressing all of her appearances.

humble yacht
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The only change in appearance that has any lore reasoning is halo 5’s. Everything else is really just artistic license

versed helm
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Looks like I was mistaken again.

half ravine
half ravine
versed helm
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it got a good chuckle out of me.

pale imp
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They would feel offended by french commercials for hair and skin products then

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and yogurt

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I will not post any here

pulsar pivot
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Like shut the hell up its rated m for a reason

half ravine
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🤨

pulsar pivot
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Idk

half ravine
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I’m just confused why this is all going in the lore and universe channel

sacred knoll
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Hey, I was on leave before the attack on Corbulo Academy

night wing
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woah

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beamish

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im such a big fan

orchid vale
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We love you

night wing
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we are your fans

sacred knoll
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I took the space elevator just before the attack to see my family

orchid vale
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Hope you’re keeping well frank x

sacred knoll
night wing
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beamish for infinite

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#bringbackbeamish

orchid vale
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Can’t wait to see you reunited with the Chief

night wing
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yeah

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cant wait

orchid vale
night wing
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beamish is the only thing that gives me hope in life

orchid vale
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Oh wise Beamish of the academy, what should us mere mortals do to appease you

night wing
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we do a LITTLE TROLIG

sacred knoll
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I should be a janitor in infinite

orchid vale
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ChiefJustice beamsh is hero

sacred knoll
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The head janitor

night wing
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please

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replace chief with beamish

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pls

sacred knoll
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On April 26th, 2026 the ship that contained multiple civilians, including Hamish Beamesh, is captured by the covenant during the Battle of Circinius IV, and civilians are forced to work janitorial jobs on high charity so the covenant wouldn’t have to expend its combat ready troops for maintenance purposes as POWs. Hamish Beamesh is sighted on High Charity preforming janitorial duties in the HALO 2 remastered cutscene during the year 2552. After the war Hamish Beamesh along with multiple civilians are returned to humanity. Hamish Beamesh returns to preform janitorial duties on the UNSC Infinity

pulsar pivot
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In the cutscene in halo 2 with the arbiter and other elites are they speaking English or is it sangheli being translated

humble yacht
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It’s generally accepted that they’re speaking sangheili and the speech is translated for the player’s convenience

pulsar pivot
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Ok

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I wonder if you were to fall off of the station on the gas giant in 2 how long until you die

versed helm
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A long time

pulsar pivot
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What would eventually kill you

versed helm
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The flood

pulsar pivot
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Oh

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Wait

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How?

versed helm
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The flood infection forms have already taken the station

pulsar pivot
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No if you fell off the station

fair hazel
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Atmosphere composition, pressure

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Probably lack of oxygen first

pulsar pivot
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Yeah

orchid vale
# sacred knoll On April 26th, 2026 the ship that contained multiple civilians, including Hamish...

In the Halo: The Flood boom, Beamish is stated to have been “The demon who cleansed the rings”. This is generally accepted to have meant that he literally cleaned installation 04 after John Halo destroyed it.
He remained on the ring performing his holy duty until 2557 when the Nightfall team takes place.
He is picked up by Locke and gang.
Some speculate that due to his speed and precision in floor mopping; he must be a SPARTAN IV.
However he is not. He is just that good.

versed helm
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I feel like Beamish is just a joke character like Chips Dubbo was

slim thorn
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It makes me curious if Gravemind's mind is actually weak or not. Since his mind was made from compounds of absorbed minds, I'm more interested on his actual mind whether it was weak, strong, or tough.

orchid vale
slim thorn
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Considering compounding mind is dangerous against someone that was capable of mind-control.

sacred knoll
pulsar pivot
gentle ridge
humble yacht
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@sacred knoll please don’t roleplay in this server

violet notch
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Can anyone tell me what on earth is going on in Halo 3 when Chief gets those messages from Cortana from halfway across the Galaxy?
Is it telepathy? Like the kind that allows the Flood to have a hivemind without physical contact or tech to transmit signals right, we can agree that that's just plain ol' psychic stuff. And Cortana sending messages to Chief in Halo 5 through the Domain confuses me as well. Chief's not hooked up to the domain, so how's he getting those visions? Is she still using the same telepathy she used in H3? Maybe in Halo 3, Cortana is piggybacking off Gravemind's psychic powers to send those rampant sounding message to Chief?

Lot's of questions and theories here. Can someone help me piece it together? Am I on the right track?

craggy sierra
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It’s meant to just be her futzing with suit comms remotely I think

humble yacht
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I doubt that

craggy sierra
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Also because Bungie willed it into the script

humble yacht
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I think they were far out of range for it to be a comms thing. I think it was gravemind telepathy

violet notch
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It has to be via Gravemind, right? Afterall Gravemind sends you signals in much the same way in the same game.

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But that also begs the question. Is she doing the same thing in H5? Only this time via the Domain?

humble yacht
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In H5 I think it’s a bit different.

sacred knoll
humble yacht
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I think cortana took advantage of whatever the Librarian did to Chief

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That lets him hear forerunner communications

humble yacht
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Please don’t do that

violet notch
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So he would be hooked up to the Domain? Just by virtue of being given Forerunner... uh... "upgrades"?

humble yacht
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Not directly to the domain, but potentially capable of connecting to it similar to how forerunners did

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It’s not very clear what the nature of that vision was

violet notch
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Okay. I think I got it now. So I was right, more or less? In H3 she's piggybacking off Graveminds telepathy since they're both in such close contact, and she's probably been infected with his power a bit. And in H5 she's using the Domain and connecting to Chief with his Forerunner Upgrade. Sound right?

sacred knoll
humble yacht
violet notch
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I don't know if they're all 100% Gravemind. Since some of the messages seem in character for Cortana. Granted some of them definitely sound like she's going insane. But that very well could be exactly what's happening. She admits when you find her that she's been corrupted. So it could be a mix of the two. Literally as she's becoming an AI Flood Host?

humble yacht
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At the time those messages were sent, gravemind had hacked Cortana and was actively driving her towards rampancy

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The short story Human Weakness suggests that it was gravemind pretending to be her to lure Chief back to high charity

violet notch
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Right, but since it was Cortana that was hacked here, and Cortana he was weilding as a puppet, more or less, perhaps not 100% of the message that comes across is Gravemind. Some of it could still be Cortana reaching out through Gravemind.

humble yacht
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Maybe but unlikely

violet notch
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"But perhaps a part of her... remains?"

humble yacht
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The gravemind was aware when Cortana sent a message to that covenant ship that flew to earth. He let it happen, although he didn’t know the content of the message

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But like I said before, there really isn’t a definitive answer to the nature of the messages

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Your assessment could be right or it could be wrong

shut dew
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Was it ever directly specified that Kig-Yar bones are hollow and weak or is that a headcanon that was soft-canonized?

violet notch
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Well they're avians so it makes sense.

shut dew
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They're avian-like aliens so there can be subtle differences in their physiology we haven't seen yet, which is why I asked.

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And I don't have a problem with it. It does make sense to make that assumption.

violet notch
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Well nature isn't limited to Earth. What ends up working on Earth and creating viable species could easily work on another planet too. What works, just works, and it doesn't matter what planet you're on. The only difference it'd make would be the differences that the end result has. The Grunts lived on a methane planet, so they breath methane, but other than that, they're yet another bipedal species with organs and structures aligned in their bodies not unlike humans, elites, brutes, jackals, etc, etc. They have a head at the top, two arms, two legs, their brains are in the same place, they use lungs, or organs akin to lungs, in order to breath, etc, etc.

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Because that [poop] just works. And it's not hard to believe that with millions of years of evolutionary trial and error, nature on other planets came to the same conclusions as it did on Earth, and a lot of the Alien physiology looks pretty recognizable.

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So when you see an avian species of aliens, and you know from experience that avians have hollow bones on your planet. The logical conclusion is justifiable, that it'd work in much the same way on theirs.

humble yacht
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Breathing methane is pretty outside of the realm of existing biology, tho

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It may sound like a minor different But the implications are crazy

violet notch
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At that point it's just the scifi trope of, "they're like ..., but different!" And then you apply your dose of suspension of disbelief that you would for any fantasy or scifi setting.

humble yacht
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The problem is I know too much about biology to suspend that disbelief

violet notch
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My opinions on why the aliens are mostly recognizable, also applies to why their technology and weaponry is recognizable. They have grenades, tanks, rifles, swords, shields, etc, etc. And all that looks very familiar. When you would think that if their societies developed in completely different environments, that their weapons would look and act as alien as they are. But they don't, really. There's a few differences, yes. The needler has a quirk that an smg doesn't have, and the plasma grenade acts differently from a frag grenade. But beyond that, they're not too different from our weapons. They're still a small automatic projectile launcher and a toss-able rotund explosive.

The beyond-the-4th-wall reason is obviously that the game developers wanted to make the alien guns as intuitive to the player as the human guns. But it's not hard to believe that the same rule of trial and error from biological evolution is at play here for technological evolution. What works, just works, and the aliens more than likely went through the same processes of discovery, ingenuity, and invention that we did on earth. And what worked, did, and what didn't fell out of use. And in the end, they came to a lot of familiar conclusions. And a lot of familiar technology.

tame arrow
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I dont think the original developers at bungie really meant for the guns to be just the exact same on each side. While guns where similar, each was meant to play a direct role in the environment (i.e. all the covenant weapons where projectile based and could destroy shields or had special effects while human ones where faster but did less damage against shields but did more damage on non shield based enemies) so while some may have been similar, I dont think it's right to say they had a close to maybe exact evolution (especially since it was shown that the covenant had many forerunner artifacts that where easily reverse engineered on there planets which definitely boosted there culture growth exponentially)

stable flower
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I noticed in Halo 3's The Covenant, the final cutscene of the level shows Cortana's "ghost" moving around. Did they ever explain how she manages to do that?

violet notch
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Could be more psychic signals being sent to Chief. Afterall the Arbiter is there with him and doesn't seem to see her when he asks "what do you see?"

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Only in that cutscene the signals aren't in first person, they're in 3rd.

fair hazel
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This document briefly mentions it. No concrete answers but in-universe sort of, mentions of that.

humble yacht
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They made some determination that it might’ve been residual elements of Cortana’s matrix that still existed in chief’s armor, but afaik this theory was never proven

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It was just the best explanation they could come up with

fair hazel
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Oh i think the first thing has to do with gravemind and second thing with domain

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But in universe that's what was ruled and knowing John, I don't think he believed it was only that, but did not want to say further

humble yacht
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That’s why Chief is a bad self insert

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If I were Chief, upon reuniting with cortana, I’d be like “what the hell were you doing with my brain?”

pulsar pivot
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I would be like that was pretty annoying

fair hazel
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I mean i'm trying to take his bookself and see the situations, shadows of reach and so on

lean spindle
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this is probably a weird topic to discuss especially considering that halo infinite hasn't released yet, but what sort of story should the next halo offer? (after infinite) I'm just curious as to what everyone else thinks the ideal story for halo after infinite would be. Maybe it would be halo set on earth, except instead of New Mombasa, you could be in Los Angeles and it could revolve around a sort of revolt against ONI for example? or maybe the same thing except with the covenant instead? This is just one idea, so I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks...

personally I do think it would be cool if we were to play as, say a gang member who was a former spartan II in an earth city, like Sydney or NYC, particularly because we've seen a lot of space and many different species besides humans. I'm not against that at all, however I would also like to know the culture and society of humanity during that period. I think that it would be cool to learn about other humans' beliefs and thoughts about the world, even covering things such as religion, politics, etc. We learned a lot about humanity's progress in halo as well as conflicts with other species, but it would definitely be interesting if halo did take a different direction after infinite, focusing on humanity's societal and cultural side rather than their conflict with extraterrestrial beings as well as ancient relics of past species.

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I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me, and I find that valid, this is only my opinion and I am also open to other's

humble yacht
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i don't see a spartan being a gang member

gilded mason
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say a gang member who was a former spartan II
There's not exactly any option for that possibility, which would be out there to begin with

humble yacht
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Even the traitors and AWOLs stuck to being soldiers

lean spindle
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well not exactly a gang member, could be transferred to another organization for example

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or idk, get thrown in the middle of the city or something

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lol

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point is, I do think after exploring a lot of humanity's colonies and covenant, it would be nice to explore what life as an average human would be like, at least on earth 500 years from now...

humble yacht
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i think something like that would translate better to a book than a game

lean spindle
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true

stable flower
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Spartan IIs were aged 5 to 7 when abducted so I don't think any would be gang members.

terse lava
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Best I can see to that, is some SII maybe being a merc for....reasons?

lean spindle
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plus since they're spartans they're obviously trained to shoot so yeah

terse lava
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Eh its an option

slim thorn
lean spindle
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but honestly even then oni would've likely captured most of them anyway...

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i mean we are talking 500 years from now, its certain that oni has some sort of tracking system, that or they're just extremely good at finding them on their own

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only solution for that is for the spartan to disable the tracker, possibly through hacking it. They could destroy it too but that would definitely need surgery and since they most likely don't have a human record they can't get to a hospital. Even then the hospital would probably turn you in

stable flower
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Since we're on about Spartans, does the "Spartans never die" directorate apply to IVs?

slim thorn
slim thorn
lean spindle
stable flower
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Make sense, as the war is over now.

cobalt quiver
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Whatever happened to Col Holland from reach?

pulsar pivot
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I'll take the guess of dead or got evacuated

strong tinsel
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So Master Chief vs Noble Six who would win

versed helm
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Chief since he's stronger in every single way possible.

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(Not trying to downtalk 6 he's badass but Chief is a Spartan II lol)

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Not to mention chief has 30-something years experience of straight war while noble 6's age is most likely in the very young-mid twenties, aka chief has been fighting before 6 was even alive

cursive drum
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Chief has something 6 doesn’t

slim thorn
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But the role was different for both. Chief was trusted by the entire S-II while Six was like made as an assassin. So in terms of close-range battle, Chief will definitely lost.

versed helm
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So no, pretty sure close quarters would grant chief absolute victory lol

unique rune
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ah I see we're perpetuating the "Spartan-IIs are always better" myth today

never mind that the Spartan-III program's augmentations were reportedly just as effective as those of the Spartan-IIs
and combined with an even more rigorous training regimen

versed helm
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I mean we know they aren't, just cause you don't like something popular doesn't mean they're worse
Just use base sprint speed as a random example

Spartan III's - 25-33 kph (12-20 mph)
Spartan II's 55-67 kph (34-41 mph. The speeds of Spartan II's changes like every book, kelly is said to be the fastest yet in other novels and all that her 65kph seems to be a baseline all spartan II's can reach, even tho Chief has completely breached that and once sprinted at 129kph)

Thats a ridiculously huge difference.

unique rune
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Spartan III's - 25-33 kph (12-20 mph)
And these numbers are from...?

versed helm
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Reaches enemy and ally ranked pentathlete things, and if I'm not mistaken operation: TORPEDO, Ghost of Onyx etc etc

unique rune
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Okay, yeah, I'm seeing them listed on Halopedia referencing Ghosts of Onyx

versed helm
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Congrats.

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I suggest just watching Installation00's video on the difference between Spartan II's III's and IV's

versed helm
unique rune
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I feel like part of that difference can probably be attributed to SPI armor vs MJOLNIR PAA though.

versed helm
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Even in MJOLNIR they're still slower

Not to mention Spartan II's can just push their particular MJOLNIR past all safety points
again like Chief pushing his armor and body to the limit and sprinting at 129 kph

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Just realized I put mph oops

unique rune
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Jun-A266, Emile-A239, and Carter-A259, all wearing Mjolnir armor, ran towards a fallout bunker at around 36 mph to 43 mph (58 kph to 69 kph).
I mean I feel like the one stat I'm aware of for S-IIIs running in MJOLNIR is still pretty comparable to numbers that the S-IIs manage

timid skiff
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hey guys, been wondering, does the UNSC ever find anything from the ancient humanity's traces (aside from that ship)?

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also, where can i read the halo novels online? cannot find any site

cedar surge
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there is kindle

timid skiff
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smth else, smth that won't robe my wallet? 😄 😄 😉

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but thanks for the advice nonetheless

carmine sleet
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The UNSC Rubicon learnt about ancient humanity, and many details of Forerunner society and the Forerunner-Flood War from Guilty Spark post Halo 3 on a mission where they were sent to assess what happened to the Ark. However, the crew was killed when Spark crashed the ship

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And before you ask, aye, that is the same Guilty Spark we blew up in Halo 3, he survived

strong tinsel
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The monitors can repair themselves right

carmine sleet
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He was too badly damaged so he took over the ship instead

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He does have a new body these days though

strong tinsel
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I hate that lightbulb

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It killed Johnson

carmine sleet
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Well he ain't exactly a bowling ball anymore. Does mean no more laser face though

timid skiff
timid skiff
carmine sleet
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Didn't need to tag me and no problem. It's from the novels that we learnt he survived

timid skiff
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aha, alright.

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I wish I had more access to the novels

unique rune
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does the UNSC ever find anything from the ancient humanity's traces (aside from that ship)?
Halo 5's Hellcat armor is implied to be based on recovered ancient human information/technology in its armor description, further reinforced by its visual resemblance to the ancient human armor from Halo 4's terminals.

timid skiff
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that's very interesting

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seems like I missed that

gentle ridge
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Jesus Christ

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This bot

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So dumb

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Can I say hell

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Ok cool

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Christ

carmine sleet
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Who just tagged me?

gentle ridge
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Me

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Smfh

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Are you actually kidding me

gaunt oakBOT
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Do not use profanity or any creative form of bypassing the word filters.

gentle ridge
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Whoever implemented this is mega cringe

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NO NOT NICE WORDS

humble yacht
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if it's too much for you, i'm sure there are other servers out there that allow profanity

gentle ridge
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It’s just dumb

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Maybe if this was the MLP community or the paw patrol community

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I would understand

humble yacht
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well it's not changing so you just gotta deal with it

gentle ridge
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I am dealing with it

carmine sleet
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So does anyone here have a favourite UNSC ship name?

humble yacht
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point of no return

gentle ridge
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Spirit of fire was cool

outer bison
gentle ridge
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Prefer covenant ships

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In every way

cedar surge
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spirit of fire

versed helm
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There's also that ancient human ship that ONI found

stable flower
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Say My Name

lost dawn
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My Name

steep ether
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brilliant

slim thorn
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Wondering why there is no either Bismarck or Yamato at UNSC

jade wave
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What do you guys think the UNSC and ONI are doing with the rest of Gamma Company?

ember urchin
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selling it for vbucks prob

humble yacht
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Gamma company is in the Spartan Branch now

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they're getting treated right

jade wave
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Is that confirmed?

humble yacht
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yes

jade wave
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I see

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Where has it been mentioned?

humble yacht
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glasslands

jade wave
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Oh good good

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I am reading glasslands at the moment

last anchor
terse lava
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Could see it, though I wonder if the Yamato would follow the idea of brkng a giant warships, or something smaller

last anchor
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Only large ship we know is the Targlfar I think.

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And Infinity

terse lava
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Yeah

slim thorn
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Yamato should be made as a Heavy Battleship, though. We already seen Vindication-class Battleship, probably we would see Yamato-class Heavy Battleship.

pulsar pivot
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Quick question is the Infinity the biggest ship the Unsc has?

unique rune
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I believe so?

steep ether
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as of 2559, yes

pulsar pivot
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Ok

versed helm
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I decided to read through some of the novels that feature Blue Team, and I can understand why so many people seem to like Linda, lol.

slim thorn
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Linda is a beast when it comes to a sniper and recon stuff.

humble yacht
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But she’s kinda dull as a character to me. Too zen

versed helm
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I think that trait is somewhat exaggerated.

slim thorn
fair hazel
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Did someone say Linda?

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Lone wolf in particular was great for her characterization and new books too have some good stuff in them

stable flower
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I wish the Vulture appeared more often.

timid skiff
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Anyone has an idea what was the Librarian going to tell Chief? I mean, she told him about the human-forerunner war, the prometheans's origins as ancient humans who were conscripted as Didact's soldiers etc, but then she also says to John ''you are a culmination of thousand lifetimes of planning''

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What for, if you have any clues ?

gilded mason
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She's saying she was trying to get humans back up to their previous level, and John is an example of that

timid skiff
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yeah, like, she said about helping humanity ever since their devolution caused by the Forerunners

carmine horizon
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Gamma company still using spi armors?

gilded mason
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They mostly got outfitted with Gen2

carmine horizon
gilded mason
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Nah, just any type of Gen2

carmine horizon
gilded mason
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Nah

lunar stirrup
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Are the halo reach armor systems outdated

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Also are they gonna bring it back so it’s like the chest plates are the same just different attachments on em

carmine sleet
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I think the customisation in Infinite will be both chest plates like Halo 4 and 5 where you change the whole armour piece but you can also add things on top of it too

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Not sure why you're asking about Infinite's customisation in this channel though

terse lava
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We are the best channel

fair hazel
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I recently watched installation 00’s video on spartan IVs being disliked thing. And wow I did not agree with the premise of his video

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About spartan-IIs and IIIs. The way he framed them being more than human and so on and flawless

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When a lot of the books and media has been on humanizing them. On the flaws and mistakes and that they’re still human

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Even halo 4 did

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So the entire permise that 2s and 3s are beyond human and the 4s aren’t is so flawed

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Even kelly G’s new books on guilty spark teach us how, being human is more than simply being our base biological self.

vocal lantern
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I would like another short movie like they did with halo 4

main rivet
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I mean the bigger problem with that attitude that the IIs and IIIs were "flawless" is they're only flawless if you think brutal discipline and 100% combat training makes child soldiers into effective troops. And that's probably the most fantastical part of Halo, including slipspace.

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The real world has ample evidence that it doesn't work well.

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The Spartans of yore probably owe their reputation more to burnishing by chroniclers than their own combat prowesse.

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Basically it's a miracle more Spartans haven't snapped, even if you suppose that part of the screening was to prevent that occurrence. Master Chief not being able to stop working even after a tragedy would be the norm not the exception his fellow Spartans are worried about (although I think you can argue definitely Fred have become acclimatized to normal human interaction more than Chief and many others.)

versed helm
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I can see the logic behind this stance. The Spartan IIs are literally entering missions with people who they regard as family members, so every loss would be psychologically catastrophic for them. It makes me question why they did not receive any psychological training to begin with.

pulsar pivot
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I always thought of Spartans as humans 2.0

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Wasnt there a special element in mjolnir armor

humble yacht
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Special element?

steep ether
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i think toasty means the cristal power core thing

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wait no... its the Chrystal gel layer i think

humble yacht
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gel layer and liquid crystal layers are different

steep ether
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idk i havent looked into the mjonir armor much recently

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thanks for correcting me tho

humble yacht
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gel layer is for temp control and shock absorption

steep ether
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ik

humble yacht
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liquid crystal layer is for strength enhancement and conducting electrical signals, iirc

pulsar pivot
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That's it

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You ever think the unsc will make some sort of lite molnir armor for marines

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Or if they could

humble yacht
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you mean SPI but for marines?

pulsar pivot
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Yes

slim thorn
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Well.... The UNSC did make Mark I exoskeleton to combat unarmored SPARTAN-II during training, I just hope they can advance it for the Marines to wear it.

pulsar pivot
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Let's hope

unique rune
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I mean.
MJOLNIR Mk.I-III eventually lead into the Cyclops.
So.

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Make of that what you will.

pulsar pivot
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Ok

slim thorn
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If the UNSC can upgrade ODST Armor to feature a similarity like Mjolnir, that will be great.

unique rune
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If they want their ODSTs to get mushed into paste inside their armor, sure.

delicate notch
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At least give them sum kind of micro shield, so if they get hit by one plasma round they wont melt.

unique rune
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I feel like it'd be more useful to make some of SPI's tech more widespread. Especially with the stuff ODSTs have to do.
Probably more cost-effective too.

delicate notch
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Spi?

unique rune
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Semi-powered infiltration armor

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Slight enhancements to wearer strength and agility, but far cheaper to produce and features an active camouflage system.

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Plus it doesn't require the wearer be augmented.

delicate notch
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Yea, I agree. If you gonna pay billions to get troops somewhere, spend some money to make them able to survive

pale imp
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any good fanfic out there that picks up the halo story from halo 3 onwards and completely dismisses halo 4-5?

stable flower
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I remember some from years ago but I forgot their names

slim thorn
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I mean, even the manufacturer manages to make a MJOLNIR version of the ODST, so why not for the regular ones.

spiral jewel
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How many refugees were there from Eridanus II, from the Covenant invasion to be exact? I want to say low hundreds or low thousands, but I have a feeling that my estimate is wrong.

slim thorn
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Should the Covenant methods are ruthless, at least a thousand manages to escape.

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But if UNSC can hold the lines, probably dozens of thousands, but never reaches a million due to limited shuttle, like how at Reach did where UNSC can only evacuates less than ten thousands due to limited shuttle available.

terse lava
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@pale imp there is Halo: Insurrection, from pre-halo: Reach days. Was a pretty enjoyable story to read

stable flower
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Speaking of insurrectionists, I always found it pretty dumb how they continue trying to rebel while an alien alliance is attempting to exterminate humanity.

gilded mason
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The ones that did probably just didn't understand the gravity of the situation.

craggy sierra
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ONI wasn’t exactly good at letting people know said gravity.

gilded mason
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Yup

craggy sierra
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So kinda probably their own fault

unique rune
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I mean, even the manufacturer manages to make a MJOLNIR version of the ODST, so why not for the regular ones.
Because there probably isn’t much benefit to use a MJOLNIR-type ODST helmet with normal ODST gear all while likely increasing costs a good bit

rain imp
slim thorn
desert hemlock
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I cant quite remember but did generation ships exist in Halo?

pulsar pivot
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I wouldnt see why not

unique rune
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Generation ships?

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Oh. Those.
I don't think there's ever been any mentioned in-universe.

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Slipspace travel combined with cryo tubes makes them mostly unnecessary

pulsar pivot
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True

livid current
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Not to get political here

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But what’s the status of the USA in the 2500’s?

terse lava
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Pretty much merged with Canada and Mexico

fair hazel
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That moment when rebel leaders came together was pretty cool for me

strong tinsel
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Wait-

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Isnt earth united yet by the 2500's?

humble yacht
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United Earth Government would say so

versed helm
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Are there any UNSC ships that were named after famous figures?

humble yacht
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Probably

slim thorn
versed helm
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How very insightful. Thanks!

fair hazel
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Where is the UNSC erickyboo?

humble yacht
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He said famous figures

cobalt pulsar
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It's stated that the unsc was also against insurrectionists was there any update on what happened to them after reach?

terse lava
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Still being rebels

fair hazel
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Why would anything in particular happen after Reach?

cobalt pulsar
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Idk I figured they'd be extra angry at the unsc for failing to protect reach or something like that

slim thorn
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Insurrectionists still occupies a small area of Reach

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Even when UNSC abandons it, the Insurrection continues their settlement at where the area was not glassed.

pulsar pivot
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Yes they cant glass a Entire Planet

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Very costly

unique rune
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I mean, the Covenant can if they really want to, there's usually just not a point in doing so.

pulsar pivot
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Ye

slim thorn
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The Covenant will never glass any area that has forerunner relics.

steep ether
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voi

humble yacht
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they also glassed Regret's temple after chief killed him

fair hazel
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Reminds me of the pious inquisitor glassing that forerunner stuff, leading to a bunch of events for blue team and gao and ferrets and so on

steep ether
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ferrets?

pulsar pivot
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Ferrets my guy

slim thorn
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Who's in command of Kilo-Five after Serin becomes CINCONI?

flat swift
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Why no army guys in H3, H2, and ODST

humble yacht
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Because space is the navy’s domain

flat swift
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Yeah but ODST is on earth, h3 has some missions on earth, even H2

humble yacht
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The army was probably elsewhere

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They wouldn’t get in the way of marine operations

gleaming vapor
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facts

icy stratus
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So we have the loud mouth spartan 4s
The badass spartan 3s
The legendary spartan 2s
And then Orion 1

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Sadly everyone forgets about Orion 1

slim thorn
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The only Orion 1 that remains to be remembered is the gung-ho Johnson.

half ravine
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Pretty much

icy stratus
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Orion 1 can just be summarized as
Back in my day we had 2 sticks and a rock and we had to share the rock

fair hazel
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We dont know what happens to Kilo-Five after

flat swift
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Why didn't the UNSC switch to the old honeycomb hul of the POA when the war happened?

slim thorn
stable flower
noble bloom
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Idk if I should ask here or in general chat, but what are we orbiting in the map "Condemned"

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Is it a star?

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I always thought it was just reach but highly glassed

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But seeing how reach looks when Halsey speaks, Im doubting its reach now

gilded mason
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It's Reach, yeah

noble bloom
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Dang

unique rune
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Why didn't the UNSC switch to the old honeycomb hul of the POA when the war happened?
Because the Pillar of Autumn was never refitted to remove the unique structure of early Halcyons?

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Why would they need to revert it when such a change was never made in the first place?

versed helm
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Is their a reason UNSC ships have their command deck on the front end of the ship wouldn't it be vulnerable to covenant plasma fire ???

warm galleon
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||Why were the Lekgelos so strong in Nightfall? I don’t understand I never heard of them being able to do all that stuff and then they were just plain old buffed...||

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Idk if nightfall goes in spoilers or not so don’t click if you haven’t watched it

versed helm
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Lekgelos are more stronger in lore than gameplay

warm galleon
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But they like can sense movement and electronics...

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Were they always able to do that?

versed helm
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yes why not they're worms

warm galleon
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I guess I never heard about it. The movement makes semi sense but the electronics part was odd. Oh well ty for answering my questions

warm galleon
versed helm
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UNSC deserves to lose for even thinking that's a good idea

slim thorn
versed helm
slim thorn
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Where do you think you want them to place it?

versed helm
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middle of the ship

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away from any direct plasma fire

slim thorn
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That's not possible when you want the command to see the battle directly

versed helm
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good thing we got cameras for that

slim thorn
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Don't trust tech too much

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If your camera is toast, you will be permanently blind

versed helm
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or we can have an observation deck

slim thorn
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That makes thing more complicated

versed helm
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how?

slim thorn
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Issuing orders, relaying orders, to the point where it needs to be verified, etc.

versed helm
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yeah it's called radio

slim thorn
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And it delays the action

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Even modern warships at the gun deck needs a verification before they lock on target.

versed helm
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which makes sense

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if a stray shot hits the command deck ship is instantly disabled

slim thorn
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Not really, since the command deck was more fortified than other sections.

versed helm
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it's a glass window lol

slim thorn
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Just remember how stupid the Jiralhanae is when commanding a Covenant fleet. They can't do much without direct visual from the bridge.

versed helm
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well the elites command the ship

slim thorn
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Elites are faster because they're used to it.

versed helm
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more like they got the experience

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brutes aren't that dumb

slim thorn
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But then again, they lost even they have 3 to 1 advantage

versed helm
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because elites have more experience

slim thorn
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It's basically a common sense where the command deck must have a direct visual regardless it has a big risk of getting hit or faster on relaying command. The old rule still stands where you need direct visual to ID the vessels or observing the battlefield. Even if the Command deck is out, there are auxiliaries everywhere, so the ship remains operational without command. Gettysburg is a perfect example for it, where all bridge crew are dead, but VADM Whitcomb and Blue Team can still operate it.

rain imp
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I always found it funny how Sangheili were like "Be honourable! Engage the enemy and never shy away!" and then like "Put ourselves in the middle of the ship! We might get hurt otherwise!" 🙂

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But yes, agree with @slim thorn on this one. Never fully trust technology.

versed helm
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which doesn't make any sense because space is big so even finding a ship through direct visual would be absurd

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even modern navies don't use direct visual to spot ships

rain imp
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You're saying you never see people with binoculars on modern ships?

versed helm
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don't they use radar

rain imp
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Among other things, yes.

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Like I said. Never rely FULLY on one technology.

slim thorn
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Yeah. UNSC Gettysburg was a perfect example for it. The bridge or command deck was destroyed, but the ship remains operable, which Whitcomb and Blue Team can utilize it for OPERATION: FIRST STRIKE.

For modern navies, you still need a direct visual for kill confirmation. Radar can be deceitful, but direct visual is the best way to confirm if the target is actually destroyed.

rain imp
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The Mk. I eyeball is always a great backup and verifier.

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With technology in general: Trust, but verify.

slim thorn
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The covenant make a mistake by destroying Gettysburg's bridge, but not ensuring the ship was destroyed.

versed helm
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oh ok so by that logic we shouldn't be using ai

rain imp
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Why not?

slim thorn
versed helm
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ai control most of the ship

rain imp
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I think you're missing the point. Noone is saying don't use technology. They're saying don't fully rely on it.

rain imp
slim thorn
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Humans always checks everything, to make sure the AI did it correctly.

rain imp
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^

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Redundancy is always good.

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(Unless it's employment!)

slim thorn
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When SoF was infiltrated by the Flood. Anders have to do most of the work since Serina is at early stage of rampancy while Jerome is cleaning up the mess.

rain imp
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That was a great story.

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Loved it.

versed helm
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Do you think that some of the Covenant's members secretly made modifications to their weapons?

gilded mason
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Yes

versed helm
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They must have been rather discreet.

echo frost
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the silent shadow killed Kat right?

humble yacht
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Wrong

echo frost
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Who then?

humble yacht
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An artifact retrieval team

echo frost
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O

versed helm
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Were the invincibility cores of Forerunner origin?

terse lava
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Don't believe its ever said, but I would expect as much

versed helm
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Did that technology ever appear in material outside of Halo 3 and ODST?

terse lava
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Not that i personally recall

versed helm
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Another situation where a piece of technology with unlimited potential is just discarded, lol.

pulsar pivot
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For not putting up her shield

versed helm
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I am fairly certain that plasma bombardments were disrupting their shields.

pulsar pivot
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Well then bad luck was also a factor

sinful pollen
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do we talk about the new book in here or the spoiler channel?

gilded mason
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If the book was out for more than a month, then you can do it here

sinful pollen
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when did point of light come out?

gilded mason
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March 2

sinful pollen
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ah, I've been out of loop for a bit.

gilded mason
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Halsey presented the new armor to him

polar adder
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i have a question about the lore of sangheili.
would it be considered heresy if one were to mate with the same gender?

gilded mason
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Nah

polar adder
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really? that's a surprise...

gilded mason
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Why's that?

polar adder
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figured sangheili would be focused on furthering their species, and any good 'warrior blood' vya standard mating. and thus consider anything that would hinder it, heresy, or at least a disgraces

gilded mason
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I figure that as long as supposedly high-skill ones took the time to ensure future generations, they were free to do whatever. Not like it'd be a binary deal. That is, if they were even obligated to do so in the first place, rather than just having high priority if they so chose.

humble yacht
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Ancient romans and Greeks had battlefield relationships because they thought passion made you fight harder

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It’s not that uncommon for warriors

polar adder
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aye, quite true..
well i suppose that makes sense. much appreciated lads

dark totem
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wait are we talking about irl lore or halo lore

humble yacht
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What the hell is irl lore?

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Mythology?

tepid vault
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It’s history

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Like ww1 and the Great Depression

tepid vault
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(Don’t ping me back-

pulsar pivot
dark totem
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social studies

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history

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as they say in america

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guns and pencils

humble yacht
pulsar pivot
dark totem
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yes, as an american i can confirm, we all no ecsactlee how to spel

versed helm
pulsar pivot
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I can do a Australian accent but I wouldn't dare do it near a Australian

versed helm
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Let's go to general as this is a lore chat

versed helm
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Is it possible that the Portal at Voi was built on the site where Marontik once stood?

balmy gulch
terse lava
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@versed helm no, the geographic areas don't match

versed helm
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Oh

red wraith
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so what are we talking about lore wise im kinda new because I get my lore from hiddenxperia

versed helm
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I suggest reading through some of the articles on Halopedia, as that is widely considered as being the most credible source of information. Hidden Xperia has even used some of their transcripts in his videos too.

red wraith
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ok thanks Stereotomic!

versed helm
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Glad that I could be of assistance.

red wraith
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👍

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hmmmmmmmm do you want to talk about what the harbinger is the brute mentioned him in the gameplay demo

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I might need to go back and play halo wars 2 and maybe read some books and comics

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I know it didnt mention him in the article but still

gilded mason
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Nobody knows who the Harbinger is.

red wraith
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Oh

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well that sucks

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well who do you think that brute was

gilded mason
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We don't even know if the Harbinger is a brute

red wraith
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yeah we dont he could be a Promethean are like you said a brute

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who knows

humble yacht
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The brute was Escharum, atriox’s second-in-command

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And mentor

red wraith
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OH I thought he looked familiar

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oof

gilded mason
red wraith
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ok im really confused]

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I need to jog my halo memory I havent played the games for like two years

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wait but then how in craigs name do we know that thats Atriox's second in command

gilded mason
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Because 343 told us

red wraith
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oh

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now I feel stupid

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I should go beat halo 3 again and halo wars 2 today again

versed helm
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Halo Wars 2 would have been a very short game if Jerome was armed with that Spartan Laser.

red wraith
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yeah no kidding

carmine sleet
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Cutter hadn't quite got the resources for that upgrade /jk

red wraith
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oof lol

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im just glad they added the flood in halo wars 2

humble yacht
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I’m not

red wraith
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why they were my fave enemy to fight in halo

humble yacht
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i find them boring

red wraith
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true

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I did like to pop grunts in the head with a halo CE magnum

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but I think they made a really good feature in halo wars 2 and the fact Atriox held an infection form was pretty cool and scary

humble yacht
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for me, the DLC was fanservice for the sake of fanservice. it didn't explain how the flood were still around and so numerous, it didn't change the state of the universe. it was just like "hey, do you like flood? here's some flood"

red wraith
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true you are speaking the truth

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it was just what the fans wanted

sinful pollen
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Plot twist, The Harbringer is Chief's evil clone that Halsey secretly made.

red wraith
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oh no

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oh please

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no

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no more boss battles

humble yacht
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boss battles are fine, if done right

red wraith
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yeah

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but the higher ark boss battle was iffy

humble yacht
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Warden was a good boss battle for Halo, just overused. they should take what worked about Warden as a boss unit and improve it for Infinite. I think fighting Escharum directly would be cool. Would also be cool if we fought the other members of the Hand of Atriox

red wraith
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YES I would love that!

sinful pollen
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Chapter 4, fight the Warden, Chapter 5, fight the warden, Chapter 7, Fight 3 wardens.

pulsar pivot
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Then the cutscene with like 40

sinful pollen
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lol

red wraith
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oof

sinful pollen
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imagine if they actually made you fight 40

red wraith
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oh craig no

pulsar pivot
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Master chief vs 40 wardens

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Oh god

shell steppe
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I would be up for that in all honesty

pulsar pivot
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Halo: masochism

red wraith
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holy craig what is your problem Midnight

shell steppe
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XD

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what do you mean?

red wraith
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fighting 40 no way

shell steppe
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I think it would be a fun challenge

red wraith
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my squad would take 30 mins to revive me

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and I would die like maybe 90 times

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but I want more lore for the warden

shell steppe
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same here but I would keep trying

red wraith
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hmmm ok

shell steppe
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something wrong?

red wraith
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no

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so who do you think needs more lore in blue team and who do you think till die in halo infinite because they said someone in halo 5 would die in halo infinite ( I hope its not Linda)

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will

humble yacht
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Who’s “they”

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343 hasn’t said anything about anyone dying

red wraith
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huh maybe it was a leak

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idk

humble yacht
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Can’t talk about leaks, whether they’re real or fake

shell steppe
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more or less speculation at this point

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won't know until it happens

red wraith
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yeah I shouldnt trust leaks

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but who do you think needs more lore for infinite

pulsar pivot
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Osiris

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Fireteam osiris

red wraith
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yeah

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but how do we think there gonna make a return like

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are they gonna still hunt Chief

strong tinsel
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What does the halo ring mean at the end of halo 5 legendary

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and what does the start of halo 2 mean with locke

red wraith
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Zeta halo maybe

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idk with Locke

carmine sleet
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The Locke stuff at the beginning of H2A was to tease Halo 5

red wraith
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ohhhhhhhh yeah

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but I did see other hunters

carmine sleet
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You mean Spartans?

red wraith
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yeah hunter Spartans

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there like ONI headhunters

strong tinsel
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Oh

carmine sleet
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They're just Spartans, there's no "Hunter Spartans"

strong tinsel
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The halo 2 start didnt make any sense

carmine sleet
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And they aren't Headhunters. Those are the members of Osiris in the background

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Buck, Tanaka and Vale

gilded mason
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I wish they got rid of that scene already

carmine sleet
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I wish the scene worked within the context of Halo 5

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But alas, not much we can do about it

red wraith
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WHY DID I SEE THE SAME ARMOR LOCK HAD IN THE CUTSCENE AND I KNOW THEY ARENT HEADHUNTERS THEY JUST HUNT FOR SPARTANS THAT WERE MIA

gilded mason
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wut

red wraith
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i think

carmine sleet
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Chill with the caps lock

gilded mason
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That's not their usual job

red wraith
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oh huh

gilded mason
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They just happened to be assigned to find John

red wraith
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huh

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ok

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ok im just confused about osiris at this point they do need ore lore and maybe a few comics and a book for them

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more

carmine sleet
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Locke has Halo Nightfall, Vale has Hunters in the Dark, Tanaka has a few issues of Halo Escalation and Buck has Halo 3 ODST, Halo New Blood and Halo Bad Blood

versed helm
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Yeah, there is a very wide range of material to choose from, lol.

carmine sleet
#

They're not Noble Team where the only one to actually get anything outside of their game is Jun

versed helm
#

To be fair, Jorge has a small cameo appearance in the visual adaptation of TFoR.

jade wave
warm galleon
#

Oh tysm

jade wave
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Np

pulsar pivot
#

Thanolekgolo

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Interesting

humble yacht
#

but can they snap?

pulsar pivot
#

Exactly what a thought

jade wave
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If they can’t snap I don’t want to hear about them

humble yacht
#

but photoshop a lekgolo worm on his face

slim thorn
#

If the Lekgolo can resist the Infinity Stones radiation, that is...

pulsar pivot
versed helm
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So what real life human species could be the B'ashamanune?

pulsar pivot
#

The what

pulsar pivot
#

So what rank would a elite have to be to get a energy sword

humble yacht
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in the covenant, even minors could get swords for combat purposes

pulsar pivot
#

Oh interesting

vocal aspen
#

I haven’t read up on this, but how exactly did Spark survive?

pulsar pivot
#

He ran like hell?

gilded mason
#

His internal components weren't destroyed by the blasts

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Just the outer shell

vocal aspen
#

Gotcha, thanks.

humble yacht
#

he transferred his data onto the UNSC rubicon just before he ran out of power

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so for awhile, he was a ship

vocal aspen
#

Which book was it when he transferred to an Armiger?

humble yacht
#

renegades, maybe

gilded mason
#

Yup

jade wave
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Says in the wiki for the behind the scenes tab

vernal notch
#

Is there any lore or reason why there are so many different types of marines mashed together in halo 4?

jade wave
#

What do you mean by different types

vernal notch
#

Like, on the desert of requiem, you have the camo guys, guys in black and some other mixed up ones

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What happened to just the normal uniform green for the marines? Oni security is fine to me, i just wish they didnt have such inconsistent helmets

jade wave
#

Lord wise the unsc probably just had more specialized battalions and companies on the Infinity

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None lore wise 343 wanted to create their own style

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I don’t think it’s explicitly stated

vernal notch
#

I think it would’ve been better if the desert mission had those tan camo dudes

pulsar pivot
#

Eh

tepid vault
#

Yeah black absorbs light and makes it hot and sweaty right?

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So the marines would be a bag of sweat

jade wave
#

Truly

tepid vault
#

Also are h5 grunts aquatic? They seem crablike

strong tinsel
#

I dont like the design halo 5 uses for the elites

versed helm
strong tinsel
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#GiveTheElitesTheirHalo2Or3DesignInHaloInfinite

craggy sierra
#

I still have a soft spot for the sleeveless attire if not the faces at least.

wintry cairn
#

anyone have a personal fav halo book?

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just got the first 2 and im excited to check more of them out supercool

tepid vault
#

Anyways

pulsar pivot
tepid vault
#

Yes

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I’ve been seeing this SFM dude make some really good halo animations, and imma say, using the reach models really makes it all the better

unique rune
#

Nobody does either
I mean. I do.

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Not my favorite Sangheili design (that would be the H2A/W2 version) but I’d probably rate it around the same as Reach’s.

tepid vault
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They did look good

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But the

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FEET

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It makes me laugh

pulsar pivot
#

The halo 2 spec ops elites I dont like

tepid vault
#

Sword elite AI get nerfed lol

pulsar pivot
#

I would love to see 343 use the ranks that reach did

#

Speaking of ranks

#

Which is a higher rank

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Zealot or ultra

carmine sleet
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Zealot is higher

pulsar pivot
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Ok

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Oh boy

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Imagine

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Reach elite ranks mixed with HAlo ce elite ai

strong tinsel
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The halo 2 design is good too