lore-and-universe

[humble yacht]

I’ll bathe them in lead

When the next game come out

[terse lava]

Nah just waiting new skin comes out that makes the bullets into bubbles, or paint

[humble yacht]

Lead based paint

I’ll build the sangheili new homes but make them out of asbestos

[versed helm]

Does that make you any better than your enemies?

[terse lava]

Thats just evil Chim

[gilded mason]

Brings another meaning to a person being "toxic" lol

[sharp grail]

So what exactly did the prophets think the halo’s did and what exactly is the great journey?

[gilded mason]

Transcendence. For both points.

[sharp grail]

That doesn’t help

Transcendence to what?

[gilded mason]

They think the activation of Halo will send everyone on the Great Journey, which is transcendence to godhood or the realm of the gods

[sharp grail]

So they had no idea or didn’t want to believe the halo array was a weapon

[gilded mason]

Correct

[sharp grail]

But didn’t they talk to mendicant bias

[gilded mason]

They did

Sometimes

Apparently, he was content to let them believe whatever

[sharp grail]

Right corrupt ai

[gilded mason]

Nah, just probably tired and depressed

[sharp grail]

What about Cortana when she encountered him in high charity’s systems

[gilded mason]

He probably didn't attempt any talk with her

[sharp grail]

What about after the gravemind had her

[gilded mason]

Mendicant was already gone by then

[sharp grail]

Right the dreadnought

[gilded mason]

Yup

[sharp grail]

Where exactly was chief when he barley got onto it like what part of the ship was in in

[gilded mason]

Not sure

[sharp grail]

I’ve been trying to figure it out. I’m on my h2a semi laso legendary walkthrough so I’ll have to pay attention when I get to that cut scene

I’m currently on the level after Gravemind. 😅

[gilded mason]

At least the hardest levels are behind you

[versed helm]

The final encounter with Tartarus is still quite difficult, unless you perform some famous glitches.

[humble yacht]

It’s not so much difficult as it is annoying

[versed helm]

yall ever tried to bring the banshee with you to the Taurtur sauce fight

[humble yacht]

He’s actually quite slow in that arena

[terse lava]

I always assumed Mendicant kept his mouth shut on the Halos themselves, as the Covenant was the best defense he had going if the Flood returned before humanity rose back up

[versed helm]

No, I made the mistake of completing that level legitimately on Legendary difficulty.

[humble yacht]

Me too

It’s just a lot of running

And keeping him on level 2 so Johnson can actually hit him

[versed helm]

I found the endless hordes of Brutes to be more frustrating than Tartarus himself.

[humble yacht]

It’s not endless

[versed helm]

It certainly felt endless to me.

I am obviously mistaken, as usual.

[humble yacht]

They’re either on timers or spawn based on his health

[terse lava]

I always found it a pain to try and keep thr Sangheili allies alive. Best I could ever do was give one another beam rifle and he would sometimes just chill with Johnson

[humble yacht]

It’s probably health because if they’re on timers then it would be endless, lol

[versed helm]

brute names are so confusing to spell sometimes

[terse lava]

They are just roman/Greek names

[humble yacht]

Nah, they’re easy

You got Toysrus

[versed helm]

tartur sauce

[versed helm]

That is usually a trivial task for lower difficulties (such as Heroic), but I do not even bother on Legendary.

[terse lava]

Shaggatus

[versed helm]

Yall Bother in general

they just blood rush him

and he one shots them

[humble yacht]

A Tree Ox

[terse lava]

Yeah, always found that annoying, even if you give them ranged weapons

[versed helm]

Yes, I feel guilty when I allow my allies to die.

any other time

i will try

but that fight

i dont bother

[terse lava]

Best i ever got, was getting the entire commando squad through the flood labs on the Orcale level

[versed helm]

Does that include the Unggoy?

[terse lava]

Yep

[versed helm]

once i had a jackal that survived like a third of the Sacred icon and he got killed and i went on a rampage

[versed helm]

impossible

[terse lava]

They were smart and stayed on the turrets

[versed helm]

Keeping the Elites alive is quite simple.

they are harder to kill

[terse lava]

While during the elevator ride, idk to this daybhow, but I just kept pushing the flood canisters off. The flood appeared to appear less when I did

[versed helm]

i dont think in halo 2 as the arbiter you dont kill a single marine

[terse lava]

So our favorite methane suckered survived

[versed helm]

interesting

[terse lava]

You don't....unless you jump over a gap in sacred icon when those marines are being overwhelmed by flood

Kill all the flood, the marines are hostile

[versed helm]

is this in the main path

or

[terse lava]

Yeah

[versed helm]

so you have to for the most part

[sharp grail]

No I know how to skip the last room fight

[terse lava]

Have to grenade jump over with a few skulls on

[versed helm]

so you dont

[sharp grail]

I have the magnify explosion skull on

[versed helm]

i have no grav and explosion bigger

very fun

[sharp grail]

Also have grunts explode after they die

I will admit i did speed run certain parts. All within the map, except the moving platform at the end of sacred icon

Go to the back and walk all the way up

You glitch through the floor and are untouchable

[versed helm]

i liked to find ares in the map where there isnt a roof

by brute shot jumping

[sharp grail]

Which is hard

[versed helm]

not if you find the right place

[sharp grail]

I finished Cortana in halo 3 in 10 mins

[versed helm]

ok back to lore

[sharp grail]

Will the flood return in infinite

[versed helm]

lets hope

yall know how many colonies for the most part had cities and werent some rinky dinky colony but a fully human owned planet

[carmine sleet]

I hope not

[sharp grail]

Zeta halo is the only one from the first array

And if i recall they did a lot of experiments on it

So if there’s a flood lab somewhere....

[carmine sleet]

Doesn't mean we need to go inside

[sharp grail]

The banished might

[terse lava]

Could see a cameo appearance, flood samples being held within stasis pods and whatnot

[sharp grail]

But after hw2 Atriox did say to not go inside

[sharp grail]

Like on the heretic lv

[terse lava]

That or the h2A remake of lockdown

Had multiple flood infected beings(i assume forerunners)

[sharp grail]

They were using the gas mine as a test center

If the flood were released, simply drop the mine into the gas giant, which is what the arbiter did

So that outbreak didn’t spread

But how did the gravemind get onto In Amber Clad

[gilded mason]

He probably didn't. Just other Flood forms

[sharp grail]

But he got into high charity

[gilded mason]

He just created an additional body on HC after enough got converted

[sharp grail]

😶

Is that cannon

[gilded mason]

The technique is canon

But it makes the most sense

[sharp grail]

So there was enough to be consumed on high chairity yo transfer his being to it

[gilded mason]

Billions of people, so...yeah.

[sharp grail]

^aliens

[gilded mason]

Aliens are people, my dude

[sharp grail]

Ppl is generally a human term

I’ve never called elite’s or any other species “ppl”

[gilded mason]

Only because in real life, humans are the only really recognized sapients.

[sharp grail]

So far

[gilded mason]

Exactly

[sharp grail]

And I doubt they’d use the word pee pole

😅

[gilded mason]

So I just use people to encompass all sapients. Makes the most sense

[sharp grail]

I cant spel

When i type fast

[young latch]

[carmine sleet]

I will never get why people seem to think that people only refer to humans. Like, aliens are also people, regardless of how different they may look to us once we end up meeting any

[gilded mason]

Ye. 👍

[terse lava]

Unless they are a devouring swarm like Independence Day

"No..peace.."

[wispy wasp]

so basically drones aren't people

[sleek phoenix]

You try telling an elite to their face that they aren’t a person

[versed helm]

So, um Im curious, are there any covenant citadel in the halo 2 era?

[unique rune]

Considering the Banished raided one shortly after the end of the Human-Covenant War and they were known to be operational at least as early as 2531 (and likely even before then)... sure. Probably.

[sharp grail]

Drones are bugs

Er buggers

[sharp grail]

If I ever meet one

[versed helm]

your gonna end up with a energy blade through your side

[steep ether]

not exactly, peo- erm, beings call them that just because of their bug-like nature and looks

[sharp grail]

Yan-me are sentient bugs

Probably spelt that wrong

[unique rune]

Yanme'e

[terse lava]

They are sentient, and sapient, they just have a lifestyle similar to ants, the colony and queen above all

[spiral jewel]

Was finishing up a normal run of H3 and it occurred to me, Where is Tragic Solitude during the latter half of the game with the First battle of The Ark.

[carmine sleet]

He didn't really want to be involved in the conflict

[latent mason]

do spartans keep numbers on their armor

im seeing alot of versions of jerome having his numbers on his armor and not having numbers on his armor

what is the accurate one

[versed helm]

Inconsistent

Halo lore being inconsistent as always

[unique rune]

assuming the sources you’re using are official they could all be considered accurate to some extent

and as far as near-20 year old fictional franchises go
honestly Halo’s done a pretty good job of keeping things fairly consistent
not too many major continuity snarls
mostly just some minor changes and retcons here and there

[latent mason]

well

thats the thing

[humble yacht]

Since Spartans historically were all outfitted with the same armor, it would actually make sense that they’re spartan numbers would be on the armor so that they could be identified

[latent mason]

halo wars game jerome dosent have the numbers on his armor

but every other media like art or toys he has them

mega bloks and mcfarlane hes got them

[humble yacht]

The toys should not be considered canon over the games

Toys and art don’t have jerome’s voice actor helping identify him

[latent mason]

yes but its very odd that they have so many more products of the toys just having numbers on them

[humble yacht]

If the toy didn’t have the number on the armor then how would you know it’s Jerome?

[unique rune]

I mean it’s not that weird when you consider he’s not terribly distinguishable from basically any other Spartan wearing Mk.IV

[latent mason]

his armor markings

[humble yacht]

Don’t red team all have the same markings?

[latent mason]

no

lmao

[unique rune]

They’re all different but like

at a casual glance you aren’t really gonna know

[humble yacht]

Lol they might as well be

The placement of a red stripe isn’t going to make it easy to identify a character

[unique rune]

it’s like asking why Blue Team all had different colors in H5
yeah they all have different armor permutations but if you make them all green a casual player isn’t gonna easily be able to differentiate between them

[humble yacht]

At some point blue team all had the same armor

[latent mason]

they all wear the same armor

but they keep different designs on their armors

one keeps a skull and cross bones decal

one keeps a spartan decal

on top of that jerome is the only character with red stripes on his armor on red team

oh actually jerome keeps his numbers on hw2 but not hw1 i guess

[humble yacht]

Well there you go

Ultimately it’s a minor thing whether the numbers are there or not

It’s not going to change the course of events

[latent mason]

of course not but if you are doing things that require attention to detail it would help whether you know if the numbers are there or not

[humble yacht]

If you’re doing art of Jerome or something, just pick your favorite design

With it without numbers

[latent mason]

well it would look very dumb if i had a halo wars 2 jerome fighting during the battle of arcadia

or a mark v master chief during halo 5

[unique rune]

I mean you could just pretend 092’s armor in HW2 is the way it always was, considering it’s essentially the same model of MJOLNIR and the Spirit of Fire didn’t really have any opportunity or reason to repaint it.

[versed helm]

On the numbering of MJOLNIR
it seems like the minority actually have the numbers painted on
Almost all Spartans we've seen in games and a lot of shorts and movies simply lack the numbering and are distinguished via colors, armor permutations, weapon choices and even armor damage
Master Chief and a few others are the noticeable exception to that

I think Chief getting his plate numbered is more of an honor thing since he is Sierra 117, the most valued Spartan ever

And for what Chimera said about numbers being used to identify them is slightly illogical in the Halo universe since almost all ground forces have huds to view the battle field through and label their allies anyways, I can't really think of a scenario where someone would need to go to and locate a certain spartan via a numbering system painted on the plates themselves.
Huds, coms and Spartans voices alone etc etc would just tell you whos who

[latent mason]

no he said it would make sense but thanks for that bit of info

[unique rune]

Having the numbers painted on would be a useful bit of redundancy in the event some other system fails

[latent mason]

well they did it in halo wars 2 but not 1

so im assuming thats just a style or choice thing

[versed helm]

If I'm in war with a bunch of marines with masks, you don't need to label any of them
Just yell their name lol

[latent mason]

Chief sometimes dosent have it too

[versed helm]

Chief doesn't have it in most of the games lol

[latent mason]

Couldve sworn he had it on h3

[versed helm]

He doesn't in 3

[unique rune]

Infinite is the first game where he has it actually clearly marked on his armor.

4/5 had it modeled in Braille but that could easily be just interpreted as textural detail at first glance.

[versed helm]

^
Which basically tells you armor numbering like that is pretty redundant

[latent mason]

I thought it was a nice addon but it dosent really matter

[carmine sleet]

This is likely the first and last time I'm doing a "well actually" thing but it wasn't modelled onto the armour. It's the normal map on the texture that features the braille

[earnest shard]

What does the halo timeline begin? I've heard that it begins in WW2, 2100 and even over 100.000 years ago.

[versed helm]

The halo timeline begins with the precursors

[obsidian thistle]

Depends who you ask

I am constantly searching for a 100% confirmed start.

But this here is my current earliest point which is very early pre-Precursor regardless

https://www.halopedia.org/The_great_Glow

We have no idea if its the "Big Bang" or the thing right after it

The use of Glow in the name however may refer to what happens after however.

But yea the timeline starts as far back as the start of the universe essentially

And real life (aka us right now, past present and future) is not in the Halo universe. Stuff may be similar enough that stuff, people, and places may exist. But its not 1 to 1.

@gusty fog :) Hope that answers your question plus thensome

[pulsar pivot]

YES I CAN FINALLY SPEAK AFTER A WEEK

Someone took a joke way too seriously

What rank in Ce is that one with the red and white armor

[delicate laurel]

What books should I read that lead in to Infinite? Shadows of Reach? Any others?

[versed helm]

Are you referring to the Unggoy or Sangheili?

[humble yacht]

Bad Blood, Legacy Of Onyx, Shadows of Reach, and Point of Light all take place between H5 and Infinite

[delicate laurel]

Thanks! I’ve read legacy of onyx, I’ll look into the others

[frigid pagoda]

Something that would be really cool for 343 to do in the future, is make all the games inside the MCC collection have the exact same graphics. It would probably be tough, but I would love to see it. Consider having Halo CE having the same Cutscene graphics that Halo 2A had. And imagine Halo 3 with all that too! It is
something that would be amazing.

[carmine sleet]

Ok, first, not sure what this has to do with the lore. Second, that would be such a big undertaking that it wouldn't be worth it

[frigid pagoda]

I didn't know there was a section for mcc so I posted it here. I found it though. And I think it would. Again that is far future.

[spiral jewel]

Dumb question: how much of the PoA was still operational during "The Maw"

[frigid pagoda]

The lights, the communication, (Because Cortana and 343 Guilty Spark had their chat) and IDK what else.

[carmine sleet]

Not enough to fly the thing

[frigid pagoda]

Yeah XD

[marsh bay]

@wispy bough wrong channel

[wispy bough]

thanks - didn't really need to tag me, looks like someone else told them already.

[marsh bay]

My apologies. I just saw in the rules to tag a mod if one's attention is needed👍

[frigid pagoda]

Its not like I totally said, "I didn't know there was a section for mcc so I posted it here......"

But I know where to do everything now. Thanks for letting me know.

[placid root]

aaawubadughs.

[versed helm]

During the timeline of events between Halo 2 and 3, when does John speak with Lord Hood? Is it before or after he attempts to assassinate the Prophet of Truth?

[humble yacht]

Before. He contacts good just after the key ship exits slipspace

[pulsar pivot]

Sangheli

[versed helm]

I believe that is a Sangheili Major.

[pulsar pivot]

Ok thank you

[rocky vector]

I now have every single Halo novel now. (Minus the battleborn series but I'll be getting those in a few dayss) Time to start reading some books! (Granted I have read through Fall of Reach and Shadows of Reach and Im half way dome with The Flood) but on to the rest!

[pulsar pivot]

Good for you

[pulsar pivot]

So if the Rings fired again would they have the resources to repopulate the galaxy

[humble yacht]

Who is “they”

[pulsar pivot]

Let me rephrase it

[regal oxide]

i think he means "would there be the resources to repopulate the galaxy"

[pulsar pivot]

Or how many times could they be fired with the materials they had

[regal oxide]

what is the explanation behind the sculptures of faces on the mission Delta Halo in lore

is it ancient human?

[gilded mason]

Faces?

[pulsar pivot]

What?

[regal oxide]

i mean

the

the symbols

of the faces

[gilded mason]

Do you have a picture?

[regal oxide]

hang on

still looking

[terse lava]

Hm? Must be in the h2A graphics underwater, as I don't recall such things

[regal oxide]

i honestly dont even know if they are faces

but they look like them

nevermind

i got my answer

[terse lava]

What were they

[regal oxide]

symbols that sort of looked like faces

but weren't faces

[terse lava]

Yeah I saw them, just forerunner symbols

[pulsar pivot]

Oof

[versed helm]

Aren’t cortana and chief technically siblings?

[unique rune]

I mean.
You could look at them that way if you really wanted to.

[fair hazel]

No..

And let's not make those jokes

[humble yacht]

Chief is adopted

[versed helm]

Chief wasn't adopted he was kidnapped

And forced to become a supersoldier by the government to take out anything they deem a threat to them

[humble yacht]

I was being facetious

[half ravine]

I’m not sure how you could come to that conclusion on a technical level...lol.

[versed helm]

Well then they’re step siblings

[versed helm]

Didn’t Dr Halsey kidnap children to be able to turn into super soldiers? It was the intro for Halo 4 when she was being interrogated.

[pulsar pivot]

Yes

[versed helm]

She adopted chief, made cortana

Step bro

[gilded mason]

Halsey was contracted by ONI to do so

[versed helm]

Then why did the interrogator make it seem that she did it on her own

[gilded mason]

Because she's a scapegoat

[pulsar pivot]

Onion dont want any beef on them

[versed helm]

Onion and beef sounds good

[pulsar pivot]

Mmm

[versed helm]

Yeah it does because it's what you have In a burger

[pulsar pivot]

Cortana wasn't made specifically for chief they just happened to cross paths

I think

[versed helm]

She was made to be chiefs eyes and ears

[pulsar pivot]

So she was made for him

[versed helm]

Yes

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

[gilded mason]

She was not made for him specifically

[pulsar pivot]

Simple minded me

[unique rune]

Cortana was created for Operation Red Flag

[gilded mason]

^

[unique rune]

Not specifically to support Chief

[pulsar pivot]

So she was just assigned to him

Eventually

[gilded mason]

Yes

[pulsar pivot]

Ok

[unique rune]

Assigned through circumstance more or less

[pulsar pivot]

Yes

Some call it Luck

[gilded mason]

Basically:
"So, during the mission, which Spartan do you want to be paired with, anyway?"
"That one looks good."
"Kay."

[pulsar pivot]

Ok

What was operation red flag

[unique rune]

A planned operation to destabilize the Covenant by capturing a prophet and holding them hostage

[pulsar pivot]

Was it for covenant or innies

Ok

I'm guessing it failed?

[gilded mason]

Use Pillar of Autumn to disable a Covie ship, commandeer it, take it to High Charity, kidnap a Hierarch, and use them as a bargaining chip to end the war

[unique rune]

it was never even put into motion

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

[unique rune]

Reach was attacked before it could be initiated and the Autumn had to get the heck out

[pulsar pivot]

Do you think it would have worked

[gilded mason]

Nope

Not at all

The mission was a foregone failure

[pulsar pivot]

With how guarded the prophets are it's not gonna end well

[gilded mason]

It wouldn't have worked even if they got the prophet and made it back to UEG space

[pulsar pivot]

Hell they wouldnt even get in high charity

They would notice petty quick

[terse lava]

Even if they succeed, a Hierarch won't do much, aside from making the Covenant more zealous to eradicate humanity

[humble yacht]

Don’t underestimate the benefits of motivation

[glacial sparrow]

Are the prophets still a part of the post war covenant?

[stable flower]

RED FLAG was a failure but to make up for it, they found two Halo rings, killed a Prophet, and started a civil war within the Covenant.

[gilded mason]

Though that last one was gonna happen anyway

[versed helm]

I was wondering about what time period to set a wip machinima I'm making take place, can I ask that in this channel or in another one?

[pulsar pivot]

One way or another a prophet would have died it seems

[frigid pagoda]

If anyone was wondering, the Halo rings were always set next to a Gas Giant planet to keep life from evolving on them. But Zeta Halo, in Halo Infinite, has life on it because it is next to a Rocky/Terrestrial planet. Life has now evolved on the ring.

I was wondering if anyone knew about any other Halo Rings next to Rocky Planets. I figure Zeta is the only one, but are there any others in Halo lore, maybe in the books?

[humble yacht]

Delta halo had birds and fish. Where are you getting this nonsense about halos being put next to gas giants to prevent life evolving?

The wildlife on the halos didn’t come from their neighboring planets

[carmine sleet]

Installation 03 also wasn't next to a gas giant either

[frigid pagoda]

Um think again

Yes they had birds, and fish, but for the most part, you didnt run into anything else

[violet mist]

The gas giants where used mainly as anchor points

[frigid pagoda]

Halo CE and CEA had the orange Gas Giant, and Halo 2 had the blue one

Zeta has a Rocky Planet as seen in the end of Halo 5

[carmine sleet]

Only because they weren't implemented due to Bungie not being able to properly incorporate proper wildlife outside of the birds and fish seen in Halo 2

[carmine sleet]

It's not confirmed Zeta was the ring at the end of Halo 5

[violet mist]

Its really the only one left

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me and there's more than Zeta left

01, 02 and 06 have still not been discovered

[violet mist]

Functional?

[violet mist]

They have

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[violet mist]

The books go over it

Or novels, if you wish

[humble yacht]

You’re conflating the absence of wildlife assets in the games to no wildlife being on the rings

It was just an issue of game development

[frigid pagoda]

HiddenXperia on his YT channel goes over stuff like this.

[humble yacht]

Hidden Xperia is a theorist

[unique rune]

HiddenXperia is not an official source

[terse lava]

Yeah, the rings were made not just to wipe out flood, but to preserve living creatures on them, as demanded by the librarian and her Lifeworkers. They had plenty of lifeforms on them

[violet mist]

HX doesn't know everything either

[humble yacht]

There is no lore stating that gas giants near halos prevent evolution of wildlife

That’s just something Xperia came up with on his own

[terse lava]

Thats just a dumb

[frigid pagoda]

You don't need lore. Just look at the games with the halo rings

[terse lava]

...

[carmine sleet]

Just did a quick check, and the novels (Or any other media) do not feature the UNSC or any Covenant splinter group ever visiting 01, 02 or 06

[humble yacht]

No curing delusion

[terse lava]

Firestarter, look at the E3 halo C3 trailer

They have wildlife

[violet mist]

UNSC find a few

I know that

[carmine sleet]

They found 03 and 07

[unique rune]

Just look at the games with the halo rings
The games that were... limited by technical stuff and couldn't support additional wildlife.

[violet mist]

Don't remember which ones

[carmine sleet]

Both we already know were found due to information that's been out for years

[humble yacht]

The only rings that have been discovered by current life in the galaxy are 04, 05, 03, and 07

And 09, I guess

[terse lava]

Bungie kept wildlife out for 2 reasons

1. Game limitations as they didn't behave great, and 2. To give the existence of the flood.more of a surprise

But yes, most halos have wildlife of some form on them. Every bit of lore this far shows it

[unique rune]

I'm more curious why orbiting a gas giant would prevent evolution and natural selection from doing its thing on a system as isolated as a Halo ring.

[terse lava]

It wouldn't

Unless gravity pulled the ring apart, of course

[unique rune]

Yeah which just makes this whole chain of thinking super strange to me

[frigid pagoda]

So what if they couldn't support it? Wild Life wasn't there other than those birds, (Which are fun to try and shoot XD) and that's enough for me. It wasn't there, so it did not exist. So we need to find a logical explanation for life on Zeta Halo. We see Gas planets in Halo CE and 2. We see a Rocky planet for Zeta in Halo 5. Whether or not Bungie couldn't support it, that's the visual facts.

[unique rune]

It's a bit of a weird conclusion to reach from the provided information

[humble yacht]

This is what happens when you watch Xperia vids

[terse lava]

Chim..are we allowed to share videos to finish this problem

[carmine sleet]

Did you not read any of what has been said by anyone here

Wildlife exists on all the Halos

[frigid pagoda]

I did bro.

I am not convinced. XD

[violet mist]

Where is Zeta located again?

[terse lava]

Gotta love the trolls

[humble yacht]

Confirmation bias is strong with this one

[carmine sleet]

You can't just ignore what is literally canon and go "But maybe it's because of this" when the canon specifically states something

[humble yacht]

It’s coordinates have not been disclosed

[carmine sleet]

If something is purposefully vague, then sure, speculate, come up with theories, but when there is something that is solid fact, you can't disregard that

[terse lava]

By the by, plenty of fish too in halo 2

[frigid pagoda]

Gas giants can not support life for 2 reasons. They arent solid, and are too far away from their sun. Which means the Halo rings next to them wouldnt support life either, other then birds and fish who can withstand those conditions. Zeta is next to a rocky, and so that explains the more appearances of wild life. Forget that Bungie didnt have the technology.

[humble yacht]

The life isn’t on the gas giants

[terse lava]

Fun fact

There was life on one gas giant

[humble yacht]

And no, a gas giant being near a halo would not affect the ability of that halo to support life

That’s like saying earth can’t support life because the moon is nearby

[terse lava]

Earth can...support life? What madness

[carmine sleet]

Gas giants could still exist in the area where life could exist on a planet, it's just the nature of a gas giant means life like what we know would not be able to exist

[terse lava]

The closest thing to an argument would be if the halo was too close the radiation coming off the giant would harm the life. That does not happen

[unique rune]

Hot Jupiters are a class of gas giant exoplanets that are inferred to be physically similar to Jupiter but that have very short orbital periods (P < 10 days).[1] The close proximity to their stars and high surface-atmosphere temperatures resulted in the moniker "hot Jupiters".[2]
Seems reasonable enough that a gas giant could be within a range that could support life similar to that found on Earth.

[carmine sleet]

Only way for Earth to not be able to support life because of the Moon is if the Moon came closer and tore the planet apart

Thank you Sarah Jane Adventures for teaching me that fact

[terse lava]

We already have one gas giant the Forerunners used to mine. It had large, flying creatures deep within the clouds

"Defender of the Storm" reveals that

Curious now that I think about it. Interesting how, Requim had a protocol of diving into the sun if taken by the Flood, I assume a ring would dive into the gas giant for a similar purpose

[humble yacht]

I mean

The ring could just fire

[frigid pagoda]

Yeah. There would be no purpose for the ring to be wasted.

[gaunt oak]

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[terse lava]

I mean more so the surface of the ring overtaken by the Flood

[craggy tusk]

The reason the rings were placed next to gas giants was to prevent civilizations from developing on the planet the ring orbits

[frigid pagoda]

Okay. That makes sense too.

[obsidian thistle]

Doesnt mean that I01, I02, or I06 were placed next to gas giants tbf also. The source of that did say it in a way that left it open. 🙂

[humble yacht]

The problem with this thinking is that gas giants aren’t the only types of uninhabitable planets

Plenty of solid planets in the Sol system can’t support life

[versed helm]

The Unggoy are technically classified as anaerobes, right?

[humble yacht]

Based on current understanding of biology, where aerobic respiration involves oxygen, then yeah, they’d respirate anaerobically

Since they breathe methane, what molecule substitutes for oxygen is beyond me. I guess it could be carbon but carbon behaves so much differently than oxygen

[versed helm]

They must use methane as a terminal acceptor, yes?

[humble yacht]

Methane as a molecule is extremely stable

It would not easily oxidize or reduce

[versed helm]

What would the Unggoy use that molecule for, if they even have electron transport chains?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It’s the fiction part of science fiction

[versed helm]

Do you think that the alien races perspirate too?

[pulsar pivot]

Sweating?

[clever fable]

Does Point of Light discussion go here or Spoiler-Chat?

[versed helm]

@clever fable spoiler chat

Because some people didn’t read or finish the book

[humble yacht]

Point of light discussion can go in this channel now. It was only restricted to spoiler-chat for a month

[regal fern]

the ending to Point of light though.... Did not expect that

[versed helm]

Any reason vehicles in halo are not protected by energy shields

[shy hedge]

Its pretty expensive, and you would need a a fusion reactor and the genie

[pulsar pivot]

Money problems

[shy hedge]

Also gameplay reasons

[gilded mason]

^

[warm galleon]

Needle hog is

[delicate notch]

Isn't the shields on Infinite and its sister ship very cutting edge? Like we just figured out how to make them for ships but not for vehicles just yet?

[versed helm]

I'm wondering something about the planet the Gamma Halo orbits, what happened to it that could've caused it to shatter like that?

[pulsar pivot]

Bigger planet

It was some big rocky impact thing

[versed helm]

It was a nova bomb

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

[versed helm]

I still wonder where Static Carillion took Gamma Halo

[lyric cedar]

yo why is the didact such a hottie😫

[half ravine]

🤨

[versed helm]

do you like ugly potatoes?

[humble yacht]

They all look the same once they’re mashed

[pulsar pivot]

OH

[pulsar pivot]

I wonder what it's like in the didacts Cryptum

[terse lava]

We are told, with the domain active, exploring vast records and seeing ancestor imprints.

[pulsar pivot]

So a bunch of records

[terse lava]

Without the domain? He was just stuck alone with his own thoughts

[pulsar pivot]

Interesting

[hushed trail]

me wonder

can spartans have kids

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[hushed trail]

okie

[pulsar pivot]

Do they carry the genes

[gilded mason]

Nah

[pulsar pivot]

Darn

Spartan Baby

Imagine that

[terse lava]

Doubt they will be much different then a regular baby outside of better health

[pulsar pivot]

And Super strength

[humble yacht]

Spartans’ children do not inherit super strength

[pulsar pivot]

I wish they did

[orchid wyvern]

Humanity should not have bounced back from the war as fast as it did. Genocides tend to lead to massive economic stunting.

Furthermore, Glassed Worlds present a unique opportunity to explore Halo universe with different human factions who survived the glassing of planets and covenant invasions

[gilded mason]

Yeah, a lot of people, myself included, think Halo 4 should have taken place a couple decades later.

[orchid wyvern]

Have you played Stellaris?

[gilded mason]

Ye

[orchid wyvern]

When you genocide another country they generally have no chance in standing back up on their own two feet without an alliance or some kind of massive economic stimulus.

If there's a sci-fi economy simulator it's Stellaris

But yea basically what I'm saying is it stands as an accurate model on how wars work and why Halo 4 should have been set at least a decade in the future.

[fair hazel]

Post war is one of my favourite periods

It's very interesting politically and so on

[gilded mason]

I wish it was.

[unique rune]

As much as humanity’s post-war recovery speed is a little nonsensical, I dunno if setting Halo 4 a couple decades later would really work, since it’s a bit limited by the story the campaign wants to tell. What with Cortana dealing with the onset of rampancy.

[gilded mason]

343 has a lot of options for getting themselves out of that situation

[fair hazel]

the 2553 and 2554 periods are very interesting to me

[gilded mason]

Kay

[fair hazel]

the books set in them too and events, gao events and so on

honestly halo TV show to me would work best in post war, because you could tell some super intersting stories with having low FTL time

high enough for tension, low enough for galaxy travel

[gilded mason]

I agree with that

[fair hazel]

and you can have a mix of species on screen in a non hostile way

[gilded mason]

Ye

[unique rune]

I’d be fine with it if they dialed back the tech advancements and the UNSC’s condition as far as 2557 goes but putting 4 in like the 2570s would be a little wonky since Cortana would be... incredibly far gone by that point.

[fair hazel]

and definitely explore the grayer worlds, imagine venezia on screen

[gilded mason]

but putting 4 in like the 2570s would be a little wonky since Cortana would be... incredibly far gone by that point.
Luckily, 343 could quite literally write anything to make it make sense: Some sort of low-power mode that severely limits her thinking while nothing is happening, some way to slow down her aging a little bit that she eventually figured out from scanning 04, etc

[unique rune]

True

[orchid wyvern]

I just want to see a world where a human faction has reclaimed a glass planet and declared their peaceful independence from the UNSC who abandoned them

[gilded mason]

Ain't that basically Meridian?

[orchid wyvern]

HAH.

I mean I guess? It's not really a good example. I'm thinking something more akin to House's New Vegas in between the NCR and Legion.

Legion did nothing wrong.

[gilded mason]

Legion did nothing wrong.
🤔

[orchid wyvern]

degenerates like you belong on a cross

In all seriousness, Meridian was a massive missed opportunity.

I love the concept but the execution man. The execution 🥺

[outer coral]

Yo what happen to fireteam raven

[dense mortar]

They are dead

[outer coral]

@dense mortar LOL

[chilly marsh]

They are though : (

[dense mortar]

In the final misión of halo ce they die when the attum goes boom

[versed helm]

Joshua Graham would like to speak with you.

[errant void]

“I pray for the safety of all people who enter Zion, even gentiles.”

Bruh play Honest Hearts again bro

He don’t just murder people for talking crap bro

[versed helm]

You overlook the violent and hypocritical natures of that character.

[jolly furnace]

Spoilers and questions for POINT OF LIGHT BOOK - ||So the Precursors left a Geas in the Librarian's ancestors to "set right what was set wrong". But when? Like did they do it prior to the genocide knowing it would occur or during the genocide somehow? And if the former, surely they'd warn the others of their race that the genocide was gonna come. Also I could see the Flood-Precursors and Primordial being a rogue or minority element in Precursor society and that are behind the Flood plan and they did not represent the majority of the species views prior or during the genocide or even those who remained after. We know some survived the genocide to put the Flood plan in motion. Also someone put Primordial in that cage so it could survive long enough to enact the Flood plan down the line. I assume it was its fellow Precursors cos I don't see Forerunners doing it while knowing it would seek revenge when they could just kill him for good||

[frigid pagoda]

How many colonies do the humans have? I know Reach and Harvest, and I know they have many others, but I wondered how many and are there any known names?

Oh and Meridian.

[dense mortar]

What happen to lasky after halo 5 events

?

He was sush a guy

[frigid pagoda]

I guess we will find out in Infinite. Unless there is a book that tells us.

[dense mortar]

Ok

He was one of character of 343 that I like

[frigid pagoda]

Yeah. I like him too. We saw his backstory in the Forward unto Dawn movie.

[strange burrow]

halo 4 was bunz

[dense mortar]

The only thing that I don’t like is when you first meet chief in the movie lasky the most obvios thing it that he had respect of chief and the first time you meet him he is like his talking to his bud buddy

[frigid pagoda]

ikr

[craggy sierra]

He's still around, doin' his job and stuff

[smoky crown]

No,he's probably dead.

[craggy sierra]

He was literally alive in a book released 6 months ago

[humble yacht]

And we heard him in an audio clip from infinite’s development

[cursive lantern]

does anyone know whether Raven team are Spartan 2 or 3's?

[humble yacht]

Neither

Fireteam Raven are ODSTs

Well, they were. Now they’re dead

[cursive lantern]

ahhhhhhh thanks @humble yacht . Ha right, I knew they were killed. Interesting that they are being marketed like ODST's sorta.

[humble yacht]

They were ODSTs

Literally

[cursive lantern]

Spartans** I mean. They look kinda like spartans .

sorry, I am tracking.

[half ravine]

No they don’t

[cursive lantern]

Have ODST's ever had Popsicle colors like that before? They look like otter pops

usually had black gear only ? maybe not. I'm a noob

[versed helm]

Alpha Nine had varying BDU colours.

[cursive lantern]

@versed helm ah I didn't know!

[smoky crown]

You know how to ships in halo 6 were destroyed and the banished said that master chief was the last.

[craggy sierra]

No because they never said that

[smoky crown]

In the demo.

[craggy sierra]

The same demo that had UNSC rescue missions on the map?

[smoky crown]

He may survived.

No.

The demo where the brute said master chief was the last human.

[craggy sierra]

Ah yes

the demo that doesn't exist

[smoky crown]

Oh yeah?

Check it

[gilded mason]

What's the timestamp for that line?

[smoky crown]

The brute said it was easy to exterminate the human kind

[smoky crown]

English please?

[smoky crown]

At the end

[gilded mason]

As in: what exact time in the demo video did he say that all the other humans are dead

[smoky crown]

When we went up the elevator and the brute laughed saying it's the final battle and he would like to say that it was hard to beat the human kind

[versed helm]

Have you not played Halo 3 ODST?

[gilded mason]

"The UNSC lost this war months ago. Your people are broken. Scattered. Hunted! DEFEATED. By me. I wish I could tell you it was difficult... but it wasn't."

This says they are not all dead

[craggy sierra]

At no point is it even implied the Banished have come close to beating literally all of humanity

[dusty prawn]

@jolly furnace ||I could see it being the forerunners putting him in the timelock. I also always figured that the ancient mysterious ships with the powder were some weird old forerunner stuff. We see the IsoDidact use a reverse timelock field to "kill" the primordial and turn him into the same type of inert powder that kept being shown in Primordium. Using this info it seems Greg was trying to imply that the powder was a result of the forerunners doings to destroy the precursors via entropy for some reason. The grunt Dimkee Hotay in Halo 5 references this when he said "oooorr would you maybe take the mean thing and keep it someplace safe, so people in the future can find it and feed it to some dogs?". It's highly possible the powder and timelock were both doings of the malevolent sect of the precursors though. Honestly I'm 50/50 on it right now. As far as "setting things right" via the geas in the Librarian, that's super duper hard to say. The precursors weren't like regular sapients, and their capabilities, even in a form of the flood, could bend unreal filaments below the fabric of space. It's possible some of them saw that thread in the future, or somehow did it during the genocide. Or it's possible it had nothing to do with that and everything to do with the separation of Humanity and Forerunners, since most of the Librarians observations were relating to that besides the reseeding of the benevolent precursors that chose to die.||

[gilded mason]

(Besides us actually seeing marines in videos and screenshots anyway)

[smoky crown]

Defeated,hunted

And Lasky

A commander

Survived...

In history,war the leaders die first

[gilded mason]

Wut

[dusty prawn]

yeah I remember when Churchill died in the battle of britain, flying his hawker hurricane

[versed helm]

He could be referring to local UNSC forces. I doubt that the entirety of the UNSC's army has been deconstructed.

[smoky crown]

France fell after 2 weeks after Germany conquered Paris.If there are 100-1000 left it's not a big problem for the banished.

[craggy sierra]

You mean like how Captain keyes survived in Halo CE until the flood, and how Miranda survived capture like 3 different times, and how Del Rio and Lasky both survived the covenant and Promethean takeover of the Infinity?

Really that list could probably go on even longer if you broke into extended universe

[versed helm]

I can already see the route for this conversation.

[smoky crown]

No,I mean when a canon with the size of 3 crusiers shoots at you.

Not 3 crusiers

But if the UNSC has the mac on infinity

[gilded mason]

🤔

[smoky crown]

4*

[craggy sierra]

The Pillar of Autumn was under heavy bombardment and lived

...relativey

[smoky crown]

After Noble 6 gave Cortana and shot a crusier

[craggy sierra]

What?

What does noble team have to do with this?

[versed helm]

Waffle is referring to the events of Halo CE.

[smoky crown]

If Noble 6 wouldn't have shot the corvette the ship would've had really low chances of leaving Reach.

[craggy sierra]

Reach literally has nothing to do with this conversation

[terse lava]

The heck is this

[versed helm]

Yes, the ship that was about to unleash a plasma bombardment.

[smoky crown]

Ok,so a pelican came to get cortana,noble 6 shot the covenant corvette and the pillar of autumn left the planet reach

[craggy sierra]

Why are you changing subjects

[smoky crown]

I am not

[craggy sierra]

This is about commanders being the "first to die" apparently

[smoky crown]

Yup

Not always first

[versed helm]

Are there any genuine examples of that happening in the franchise?

[humble yacht]

Not really

Keyes was among the last to die in CE. Miranda’s death in H3 was late too

[smoky crown]

I mean the chances of Lasky surviving are lowm

Low*

[humble yacht]

Surviving what

[craggy sierra]

Captain keyes, commander of the Pillar of Autumn survives capture by the covenant in Halo CE up until the flood. Miranda survives being captured like 3 times between Halo 2 and 3 and then the Infinity's command crew survived the crash to requiem and hostile takeover of the ship by prometheans and covenant working together.

[smoky crown]

The banished

[humble yacht]

You just have not read the whole audio blog

[smoky crown]

..?

Is that in the demo?

[humble yacht]

No

[smoky crown]

Or on the internet?

[humble yacht]

It’s on halowaypoint.com

[smoky crown]

Official halo post?

[humble yacht]

Yes

[smoky crown]

Then I am wrong

[humble yacht]

Probably

[versed helm]

Wait, does that post mention Commander Lasky?

[smoky crown]

In the country where I live,one of the best governers died like 100 years ago from a cold and Lasky would probably survive a brute shot to the head

[humble yacht]

Lasky hasn’t been a commander since halo 4

[versed helm]

I have not been paying close attention to the recent lore, it seems.

[humble yacht]

Halo 4 isn’t exactly recent...

Coming up on 9 years ago, lol

[terse lava]

Those sad days

[rustic nimbus]

just realised it's been like 9 years dude....

[versed helm]

My mistake. I assumed that this was established after the events of Halo 4, when reading your message.

[humble yacht]

After Cpt Del Rio left Chief on Requiem to flee back to earth, UNSC HighCom fired him from his position as captain

Lasky, as the XO, assumed command

Becoming captain

[smoky crown]

I started playing halo 4 or 3 years ago and when I saw Halo CE I thought how can humanity survive a empire of many species.
Now I have the answer.Nothing makes sense.

[humble yacht]

That’s why at the end of H4, when Chief contacts infinity, Lasky answers instead of del rio

[craggy sierra]

I mean it does make sense

[versed helm]

Yeah, I have only played Halo 4 on approximately two occasions. One was for unlocking the Legend achievement. I should probably revisit that campaign.

[craggy sierra]

We were literally fighting a losing war for 27 years

And would have lost if the covenant never wound up cannibalizing itself

[jolly jay]

In oblivion its said we survived becuse of ONI.

[versed helm]

I look forward to reading that comment, lol.

[craggy sierra]

Who's point of view was Oblivion from again?

[jolly jay]

A mix of blue team and a covanent commander

[versed helm]

From what I can recall, that leader is Nizat.

[humble yacht]

In a way, ONI is the reason.

[craggy sierra]

We would have lost if not for the schism

[jolly jay]

I thoght we did lose

[humble yacht]

without ONI, you wouldn't have the Spartans. Without the Spartans, you wouldn't have Chief. Without Chief, you wouldn't have had the Schism.

[jolly jay]

Survived but lost. The schism is why we lived

[versed helm]

No, Thel and John literally destroyed the Covenant in Halo 3.

[humble yacht]

humanity was cornered but hadn't fully lost

[craggy sierra]

No I think losing the war would've meant galactic extinction

[jolly jay]

Im talking from a tactical stand point. We had almost lost everything. Earth was nearly lost. The covanent fell apart before they could eradicate us but they won the war

[craggy sierra]

Losing a war usually means one side gets their way out of it

We got to not die

[humble yacht]

yes, we almost lost

but we didn't lose

we got lucky

[craggy sierra]

While their entire religion and government collapsed in on itself

[humble yacht]

[deep zinc]

war is fun tho

[versed helm]

In a strange way, Rtas and Thel became somewhat fortunate too.

[craggy sierra]

I guess as fortunate as having to then turn to slaying your own kin over religious and political differences can be

[jolly jay]

Ok to be honest there really was no actual winner. But from a strategic stand point without the flood buying us time and the schism what could we have done to save earth. Reach had already fallen and they had a hyper-leithel spartan. I know saying the flood buying us time might seem strange but if the covanent could focus all that time and resorses on us instead then what?

[humble yacht]

there was a winner

humanity won

[terse lava]

The precursors

[craggy sierra]

Flood never really bought time

If anything I think they sped up Truth attempting to light the rings

[jolly jay]

Theres a difference between victory and survival

[terse lava]

You forgot the Sangheili too Chimera

Humanity and Sangheili

[humble yacht]

I didn't forget. I purposefully discluded

survival is victory when you're fighting for your life

[terse lava]

Yet humanity couldn't have won without the Sangheili

[versed helm]

Humanity began to advance technologically and thrive after the war. I would argue that indicated that they succeeded.

[humble yacht]

humanity wouldn't have been in that position in the first place without the sangheili

[jolly jay]

Or the flood eating up resources abd attentoin from the covanent

[humble yacht]

the sangheili set the human's house on fire and then expect to be applauded when they help put it out? lol

[versed helm]

It is better than leaving the house to burn.

[terse lava]

More akin to Hood

[jolly jay]

Hood and Cole

[terse lava]

Hm?

[jolly jay]

I might have misread. Sorry if I did

[terse lava]

Was referring to the "I can't forgive you, but you have my thanks"

[jolly jay]

Ah ok. Yeah misinterpreted.

[craggy sierra]

Hood is right, the elites by no means have been forgiven

[jolly jay]

Sorry

[terse lava]

Eh, I always like the redemption aspect of it

[humble yacht]

i bet you do

[terse lava]

You say that like it's a bad thing g

[versed helm]

Is there a problem with that, Chimera?

[gilded mason]

Yeah, that was a bit odd to respond with

[half ravine]

That kinda came across as defensive to me lol

For some reason...

[humble yacht]

guy with Elite pfp likes it when elites are redeemed? shocker

[gilded mason]

You kinda sound upset by that?

[versed helm]

Well, I am fond of it too. Does that surprise you?

[humble yacht]

no, i'm pretty sure i've seen you be pro-elite

or at least complain about no playable elites in infinite

[jolly jay]

The elites are my favorite part of halo.

[terse lava]

Still, that came off pretty weird

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[versed helm]

I did not complain about that, Chimera.

I am actually indifferent about 343i's decision, but I can understand why people are annoyed.

[terse lava]

I just always liked the idea of someone trying to atone for their past mistakes

[half ravine]

I’m very against elites being in mp, but hopefully they can be added in customs, but I doubt it.

[craggy sierra]

I think you might be overthinking the atonement thing

[half ravine]

They aren’t overthinking it at all

[jolly jay]

Speaking of playable races, do you think theres ever going to be an official game mode where you can play as other covanent races? Mabie a faction reversed firefight?

[versed helm]

No, Thel literally has a redemption arc.

[humble yacht]

i like atonement when it's compounded with tangible consequences and a realization that they were wrong

like with Mendicant Bias

[craggy sierra]

Their atonement pretty much comes down to stopping covenant remnants and trying to hostility among their own race against humanity

[versed helm]

James Sunderland comes to mind, depending on your decisions, of course.

[humble yacht]

that name means nothing to me

[gilded mason]

Silent Hill 2

[humble yacht]

never played

[versed helm]

;-;

[humble yacht]

i really hope they don't pull some "MB is still alive" crap in infinite

[craggy sierra]

I don't think the elites are going to drop everything to come running at the drop of a hat to humanity's needs unless it's something that's going to be really bad for them as well.

[versed helm]

Did anyone state that they would?

[gilded mason]

The SoS has been helping out humans rebuild post-war

[half ravine]

Not at the drop of a hat of course.

[terse lava]

We saw theyvwere willing not to bullcrap around and actually get to the Ark as quick as possible rethet then wait, and SOS forces have been helping with various activities with humans

[humble yacht]

the technological advancements gained from cooperation with the elites is just reparations, imo

[versed helm]

Were they actually reparations, though?

[gilded mason]

I'm also talking about the SoS going around to reconnect lost human colonies

[humble yacht]

if not then the elites still owe humanity something

starting with a public apology

lol

[jolly jay]

Tell that to Jul

[humble yacht]

yea he doesn't do his race any favors

[stable flower]

Same goes for Marg Vol

[gilded mason]

(And it's not like an entire species is collectively responsible for something anyway, since that'd be certainly a horrible lesson to try to "teach")

[jolly jay]

No but influence is influence

[terse lava]

Think the problem there is even if Thel and SOS came out and did that, no one would care. They would want "actions, not words"

[humble yacht]

jul was willing to lie and manipulate his own people for a personal vendetta. that takes a special kind of scumbag

[versed helm]

I pity the SoS members who were being harassed by UNSC personnel.

[terse lava]

Agreed, but ONI is on the same level

So blame ONI

[jolly jay]

Truth did it. Look what he was able to acomplish. At least for a while

[humble yacht]

ONI is a shady org but they're goal is keeping humanity as a whole on top

[terse lava]

Sure...sure

[humble yacht]

it's not like Serin Osman is using oni to rule the world

[gilded mason]

They want to keep themselves on top

[humble yacht]

ONI and Halsey share a lot in common, albeit oni is worse about not accepting responsibility

[terse lava]

You play Mass effect, Chimera? Know of Cerberus? Its the same thing with ONI

[versed helm]

That is through the use of any necessary means.

[humble yacht]

yea. and that's also Halsey's motto

"by any means necessary" or "whatever it takes" or something like that

like most people in power, ONI suffers from a bad case of "i know what's best"

[jolly jay]

I know this is getting a bit off topic but Halsey would make a great templar

[humble yacht]

huh?

[jolly jay]

Assasins creed

[terse lava]

As in..the Knights Templar?

Oh

[humble yacht]

weren't the AC templars against letting humanity have the apples?

[pulsar pivot]

Idk

[terse lava]

They wanted to lead humanity

[pulsar pivot]

I didnt play it

[versed helm]

You speak like as if that excuses her actions.

[terse lava]

A "humanity with freewill keeps shooting themselves in the foot. Let us lead mankind"

So pretty much 1984

Wanted to use the apples to control the whole human race

[humble yacht]

if halsey had been in AC, i think she'd be on the side of giving all of humanity the benefits of the apples

she considered Spartans the next stage of human evolution in addition to being soldiers

[jolly jay]

Not all templars are the same. Look at shay and Hathem

[humble yacht]

which means in the grand scheme, halsey would have wanted all of humanity to be as strong as spartans

[terse lava]

True but in the "basic/broadstroke" they wanted to rule

[versed helm]

Evolution requires natural acquisition of adaptations, no?

[humble yacht]

yes, i use the term "evolution" loosely

technology largely evolves for humanity these days, as a species we're not strictly bound by the laws of natural selection

that's why most concepts of human evolution in sci fi are forced

[versed helm]

Was Halsey not exclusively referring to human evolution?

[humble yacht]

i don't understand your question

[jolly jay]

She strait up says spartans are humanity's next evolutionary step

[humble yacht]

i said that already

[versed helm]

I do not understand why you mentioned technological advancements.

[humble yacht]

technology evolves in lieu of biology, that's true irl and in most fiction too

we use our intellect to get rid of problems that for less intelligent species, they'd just have to let it naturally select out

the Spartans represent combining medical/technological advancements with biology that actually makes the human organism biologically better

[versed helm]

Fair enough.

[humble yacht]

and even the Librarian says that Chief represents the goal that she had for all of humanity to eventually become

an entire race of spartans, billions strong

[versed helm]

You could interpret the Spartan Program as an artificial catalyst.

[humble yacht]

sure

tho they say that necessity is the mother of invention so maybe it's not so artificial

[pulsar pivot]

Interesting

[cursive lantern]

I did ... I don’t remember the colors. I mean those guys look like ODST spring break. Or the Trolls movie color palate. I’m not hating it is just new.

[versed helm]

The designated sniper had a bright blue armour set.

[cursive lantern]

Touché !

[versed helm]

Is that essentially interpreting Halsey's program as a collection of natural ideas influenced by external factors?

[terse lava]

Can that even be argued with geas

[gilded mason]

That reminded me of that copy-pasta somebody posted in Halopedia once.

That was funny

[terse lava]

Hm?

[gilded mason]

I'll PM you

[pulsar pivot]

Yoo me too if you dont mind

[gilded mason]

k

[versed helm]

It is wort wort Wednesday

[fair hazel]

Geas for spartans would be the direction

the free will and so on and methods employed are the path taken

[versed helm]

So yall saying humanity is destined to all be Spartans

Does that mean humans will be close to what they were during their height

[pulsar pivot]

Probably

[violet notch]

So are the Prophets extinct now?

[humble yacht]

no

[violet notch]

lol, ok, that was quick

I thought they could have been since the Covenant Empire and their race were pretty much intertwined in such a way that I thought they'd have been wiped out along with the Covenant.

lol, my post got deleted for profanity

lemme retype

[humble yacht]

their race is certainly on the backfoot but they aren't extinct

[violet notch]

makes sense

but my thought process was this:
The Covenant was a caste system, where social roles were defined by your species.
The Prophet's role was certainly at the spine of the Covenant infastructure.
All the Covenant splinters and remnants that remain are more likely than not to be military forces who were deployed far away when the [poo-poo] hit the fan.
Which would more likely than not, not include a whole lot of them, if any.
So I figured when High Charity fell. They would all have been there, and have been wiped out.

Apparently I'm mistaken. But that's what I had believed.

[humble yacht]

yea you're mistaken. some escaped

after the war, Rtas went to track down the rest of them

[violet notch]

Rtas?

Half-Jaw?

I don't know them by their real names.

Only their nicknames.

I think Thel Vadum (Arbiter) is the only real name I know.

[chilly marsh]

I only know Arbiter’s.

Well for the Covenant, I only know Arbiter’s.

Isn’t shipmasters like Rtas?

[violet notch]

Shipmaster, Half-Jaw, the white armored one that's Arby's friend in H2 and H3.

Is that Rtas?

[terse lava]

Yes

[chilly marsh]

Rtas Vadum.

That’s what it is I believe.

[violet notch]

Vadum is Arby's name, no?

Thel Vadum?

[terse lava]

Thel 'Vadam, Rtas 'Vadum

[chilly marsh]

I’m not to sure but I just searched it up and every result I got was Rtas Vadum.

[violet notch]

They're from the same clan?!

[terse lava]

No

[violet notch]

oh!

I misread

Vadam vs Vadum

[terse lava]

Yep

[violet notch]

that's barely a difference

[chilly marsh]

Yep, it’s a bit confusing.

[terse lava]

A bit

[humble yacht]

you know what's really dumb

They should have given Thel Lodamee a different first name

[finite plover]

truuu

[violet notch]

Which one is that?

Nicknames people, nicknames.

[chilly marsh]

Wait their is another Thel?

[terse lava]

Eh can live with that one

Thel 'Lodamee is the major who fought chief in "The Package" from halo legends

[violet notch]

My last name is Hobbs.
It's common to see it spelled Hobbes.
I've struggled with that a few times in my life.

even small differences are important

but are no less confusing

[terse lava]

Originally, he was met to be Thel 'Vadamee by the creators, but at that point in the timeline, Our Thel was already of a zealot rank

[humble yacht]

they never say his name in Legends

there was no need to keep his first name as thel

[terse lava]

shrug

They were the ones who wanted it that way

[violet notch]

Could just be a common name? IRL names have a lot of those

My first name is Jim. Now that's a common effing name.

[terse lava]

Same with "The Duel" which was to take place near the Covenant's founding, rather then in the 2100s

Either way, I see no problem with it. Its like saying there can be only one Thel amongst many billions of Sangheili

Even in his own bloodline, there are likely other Thels

[humble yacht]

to avoid confusion

how many fictions do you see a major character have a non unique name?

even in stories where the protag has a normally common name, no one else in the story typically shares that name

[terse lava]

Those stories do tend to just focus on the protagonist, not the rest of the universe they live on. Can get away with that quite easily

[violet notch]

I'm with Chimera on this one.

While technically feasible lorewise, it's unnecessary, and doesn't help anything to do it. It only causes confusion. Nothing to gain, and clarity to lose.

[terse lava]

And thats fine, as we see in the games its still kept unique. Only in the expanded lore do we see such things. Heck, Thel wasn't even given a name till 2008

Do I think they should have changed Lodamee's name? Would make sense sure, but I also don't consider it a big enough problem to be a top priority

[humble yacht]

none of this is a top priority

it's just talk

[terse lava]

I use the term loosely

Perhaps they had a reason for keeping it Thel

[north mantle]

i just found out today that every spartan we play as has tubes up their pee holes and buttholes so they can use the bathroom at anytime without removing their suit

My dreams of being a spartan are over, curse you Glasslands...

[limpid meadow]

It's in the subtitles for the episode.

I think he's also named in the credits for the episode

[terse lava]

Quite certain he was

[limpid meadow]

Just as "Thel", but still named

[humble yacht]

if that's all then it would've taken a simple text change

[terse lava]

I still find it amusing they wanted to have him be Vadamee. Whats wrong with some random major beating chief

[humble yacht]

it's not like a VA spoke the name "thel"

[terse lava]

Likely the same reason they didn't change the "Prophet of Truth" from The Duel. Just didn't want too

Probably was easier just keeping it and making him a new character

[limpid meadow]

What do you mean? How are they going to change the subtitles and credits when they discs were already printed?

[humble yacht]

could only update any digital media or reissue the movie. like a 2nd edition

[violet notch]

It's probably not be the same guy. I thought the Hierarchs took on a moniker when they achieved that station. Kinda like the Pope.

[terse lava]

That is the case yes

We see that confirmed in Contact Harvest, which came out before Halo:Legends

[carmine sleet]

It's definitely not the same guy, Truth in the games and Truth in The Duel are at least 4 centuries apart

[tardy quiver]

How much did the prototype cost?

[versed helm]

The expanded universe does not seem to elaborate on humanity's currencies to a major extent.

[obsidian thistle]

Tbf 343i have in the past not kept to ancillary Halo Legends stuff.

If og Halo Legends era media is held. The planet Daisy is on and well... dies on is Harvest.

Though later lore declaired Harvest has no moon and the short clearly has a moon. With Grimbrotherone saying the colony in her story is undefined.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625474411465801730/829812885576089660/IMG_20210408_212000.jpg

[regal oxide]

what if it's not a moon and just a close flying asteroid or a nearby planet

a perfectly round, really close flying asteroid that looks like a populated planet

[obsidian thistle]

At somepoint I'll make a Japanese sub translation so y'all can see the changes between the English and og Japanese scripts.

[jade wave]

What have the done to the rest of Gamma company

[pulsar pivot]

Is anything in halo spartan strike cannon

[unique rune]

Both Spartan Strike and Spartan Assault are canon

[humble yacht]

Everything is

[pulsar pivot]

Lovely

[stable flower]

It's a simulation though

[unique rune]

I mean.
They're simulations of events that actually happened.

[stable flower]

Yeah that's what I meant

[slim thorn]

It's weird though... I mean, if Reach got no moon, then the night time on the wild is not going to be bright.

[sharp grail]

Noobs encounter the flood for the first time

A reminder of just how masterful the level 343 guilty spark is at introducing the flood

[craggy sierra]

That’s like a markiplier scare compilation

I don’t think anyone actually reacts to the flood like that

[limpid meadow]

Reach has 2 moons. Harvest has no moons.

[unkempt plover]

But prophets like live super long

[carmine sleet]

Didn't need to tag me

[gilded mason]

Not only was Mercy around 220 and decrepit, Truth was only around 150 when he died. Born way after The Duel.

[unkempt plover]

Oh

I thought truth was approaching his 500’th or something

[gilded mason]

Nope

[unkempt plover]

Ok

[stable flower]

And Regret was only in his early 90s

[fair hazel]

Such youth

[desert spade]

Did Emiles helmet inspire the Orbital helmet?

[versed helm]

I wonder was that through artificial means or are they really that long lived also didn't ancient humanity live thousands or hundreds of years?

[quaint bay]

Why infinity didn't fire at guardian in halo 5?

[candid void]

They don't wanna die

[carmine sleet]

They had to get out of there

Like, the ship isn't an indestructible fortress that can't be stopped, regardless of it being the most powerful UNSC ship

[weak pilot]

they got emp'ed they couldnt fire if they wanted to

[humble yacht]

They hadn’t gotten emp’d, they ran away to avoid the emp

[weak pilot]

thats true acctually

[slim thorn]

And Home Fleet is now basically inoperable

[quaint bay]

but like.... theri mac cannon loads very fast, it should be able to destroy guardian BEFORE emp strike

[carmine sleet]

You're assuming a MAC cannon round can destroy a Guardian

[slim thorn]

The Guardian got a sturdy defenses. If it was made by the same Material as Mantle's Approach, then you surely knew that MAC Defenses are ineffective against it.

Even Infinity have to concentrate fire to open a small hole for the Chief to get inside

[brazen inlet]

ok, lore question: what does master cheif eat/drink? and when? we never see him do it...

[violet notch]

You don't see him do it "on camera" but he eats, drinks, sleeps, and yes, even poops just like every other human being.

[slim thorn]

At Halo: The Flood, McKay even says that the Chief only have a sleep for 5 hours, then a quick meal before went to look for Captain Keyes.

[violet notch]

Same reason that most other stories skip over that aspect of life. It's not important to the narrative.

Unless they're having dialog or exposition, and they use a dinner as the setting for it.

[slim thorn]

I was praying that Lasky with a reporter was a dinner while interview.

[violet notch]

It's usually just handwaved as, "it happens off camera"

Game of Thrones was famous for using a... different setting... for some expositional moments...

[brazen inlet]

but like... cheif is on the rin in ce for, like, a couple of days, am i right?

what did he eat?

and another question: has any normal marine, who's not that dude in halo 2, seren chief's face?

*seen

[weak pilot]

in the flood novel during the library chief sits down and has a protein bar

[terse lava]

@versed helm they started researching life extensions and other such research 1000 years prior to 2552

[unborn sedge]

john son is actully someons son

[brazen inlet]

ah

[stable flower]

I think Spartans have an augmented digestive system or something

[lunar condor]

in Halo Ghosts of Onyx they talk about how 500 calorie meals are the bare minimum they need to keep going for a while because they are trapped in a construct without finding any food for a while

or wait no probably Halo Glasslands

confuses me everytime because the story from ghosts of onyx continues there

XD

[quaint bay]

He eats chips, you can see it here: https://youtu.be/zwyk9RVKIV8

[brazen inlet]

OHHH

almost forgot

lol

[blazing pagoda]

No. Unless i'm forgetting something

Wait

Halo 4, legendary ending

masterchief takes off his armour and marines were there

[brazen inlet]

ohhh right

[versed helm]

What did Jorge-052 store in his backpack, ammunition?

[humble yacht]

maybe

i don't think i ever saw a ammo chain connecting the gun to the pack tho

[desert spade]

Did Emiles helmet inspire Orbital?

[versed helm]

What else could that backpack contain?

[gilded mason]

I always thought that pack helped power his shielding

Since he's using an older armor system

[humble yacht]

nah that's probably not it

[versed helm]

According to Halopedia, Jorge occasionally removed that backpack to enhance his agility. The page also states that he carries a field case, so I doubt that it is a shield generator.

[half ravine]

Someone in the other discord mentioned it may be methane tanks contained within the backpack, but I doubt it honestly.

[versed helm]

I suppose that a field case would carry essential equipment, which suits Jorge's support role.

[humble yacht]

that would be a liability for no reason

jorge doesn't need methane

at least grunts have a reason to walk around with such a vulnerability

[versed helm]

Do you think that the exposed tank acts as an oxygen supply?

[humble yacht]

for grunts?

yes. they breathe methane

[versed helm]

No, I am still referring to Jorge-052.