lore-and-universe

[wispy vapor]

True

I still find it a bit underwhelming that regrets skull didn't shatter to pieces. I know it's not doom but regret is literally a culmination of generations of inbreeding and messed up genetics

[sharp grail]

[sharp grail]

Probably couldn’t animate it

Or get Microsoft to approve

[wispy vapor]

Honestly if we get a mature halo game again (which I doubt because of the constant teen ratings in the modern series) I would love a lore accurate gravity hammer hit

Like you swing a gravity hammer into the chest of an elite and they fly into the wall, literally nothing but red mist

If something that powerful hit an elite or god forbid a normal marine,they're gone

[sharp grail]

So you want Halo DOOM edition

[wispy vapor]

Maaaaybe

[sharp grail]

🤔 They could make the gore filter toggle able like CoD.

Warning you can turn the adult content on or off

[wispy vapor]

I mean lore accurate gravity hammer would be fun, you can't deny

[sharp grail]

Fist of Rukt😏

[wispy vapor]

Something I don't understand in the lore tho, and before anyone says its because gameplay, I know, I'm overanalysing

[sharp grail]

Its a rock with grav generations on it

Kinda like the over watch rocket hammer

But more high tech

[wispy vapor]

So a plasma pistol/rifle/etc overcharges in a spartans hand. He shakes his hand getting rid of the heat, showing that overcharging affects spartans.

In H3 ODST where visable fingers are holding the plasma guns, overcharging them should give some nasty finger burns yet they just shake it off

Like i said,a nitpick but I like to overanalyse

[sharp grail]

You know somebody made a to scale all steel replica right?

Needed 2 ppl to lift it

[wispy vapor]

Dude, that is awesome

[sharp grail]

https://youtu.be/lchrLLOV0hI

[wispy vapor]

Someone needs to make an ODST mod: Realistic ODST

[sharp grail]

https://youtu.be/OLBJ7e75EKk

Its also apparently not a gravity hammer😶

[wispy vapor]

Actually that begs a thought

[sharp grail]

Videos games are fun. That’t be well not.

Yes I beat Odst on legendary and it wasn’t fun

[wispy vapor]

Plasma pistol triggers are known for being very sensitive

[sharp grail]

[wispy vapor]

That would mean someone could easily pop off a few shots than normal

Imagine a careless marine overloading a plasma pistol

It would be a danger with chief giving the marines covie weapons

[sharp grail]

Halo 2 Ai is dumb

Never give them rockets or the fuel rod

They always shoot a rock thats in front of them

🙈

[pulsar pivot]

Dont let halo Ai drive

[hybrid axle]

flash backs to kat driving me off a cliff

[sharp grail]

😂

Or driving Intoa wraith plasma morter

[mortal temple]

what are the insurectionists?

[gilded mason]

Brave freedom fighters.

[mortal temple]

and why does oni want to kill them

wait

of course they do its oni

[stable flower]

Because the UEG doesn't care about backwater planets

[gilded mason]

They care about the resources those planets can give them.

[stable flower]

But the population is an afterthought

[gilded mason]

They probably care about the population in terms of the amount of workers extracting resources.

[pulsar pivot]

So they fight for freedom in order to not be ruled by tyrant

[versed helm]

How can the Skewer disable a tank? Does it release an EMP?

[pulsar pivot]

Probably

No it stabs it and it bleeds out

[limpid meadow]

I don't have the book out, but depeding on how it hits the tank, it could hit in such a way that takes out a key piece of hardware for the tank's operation; servers a important wire, breaks the treads. When in Shadows of Reach does the Skewer disable a tank?

Actually, nevermind, I see why you're asking now. The Skewer is referred to as an anti-tank weapon.

Could be that there's an EMP, but I imagine it's classificiation is simply referring to piecing power.

[versed helm]

I remember reading through an article that described it as being an "anti-tank" weapon. The journalists were probably mistaken.

[limpid meadow]

No, it is referred to as "anti-tank" in Shadows of Reach

Decided to pull up the Kindle app and check.

[versed helm]

All right, thanks.

[pulsar pivot]

Mabye its armor piercing or Heavy Explosive rounds

[limpid meadow]

Likely one of those, given the design.

[pulsar pivot]

I'll bet heavy explosive

[limpid meadow]

I will note, there's no explosive capability stated in Shadows of Reach, and the text implies that it's more about their piercing power, but we never actually see them used in the book as I can recall.

[cedar surge]

I would prefer if it was pure piercing power

Would match with other brute weapons

[calm canyon]

Has anyone brought up the mysterious being on the cover of the next Novel?

[gilded mason]

The prelate?

[calm canyon]

I'm not sure, I only just noticed it when I was checking for the release date

[gilded mason]

If you're talking about the person up top, they're a prelate, yes.

[calm canyon]

Ah

[inner basin]

Prelates are basically San Shyuum who fight

[gilded mason]

And had gene therapy.

[inner basin]

I was giving the very simplified explanation

[calm canyon]

I thought they were all dead after 05

[inner basin]

No, there are still a number of San Shyuum alive. Those who became Prelates however were always kinda scarce in numbers

[calm canyon]

Well yeah, they mostly ran plus their home world still has living population. But the prelates I thought were dead

[gilded mason]

Guess some more were hidin' in the woodwork.

[inner basin]

Kinda like some Spartans who we thought were dead

[gilded mason]

lol

[pulsar pivot]

Cough cough humanity and master chief in halo 4

[wispy wasp]

What did they think happened to chief?

[severe crystal]

the arbiter told the UNSC that the chief died at the end of halo 3 iirc

[gilded mason]

He probably just said what happened, and then everyone else figured he was dead, since Thel didn't think so himself.

[versed helm]

Were it so easy

[stable flower]

I wish Arby and Cortana had some interaction

[versed helm]

What would Cortana even say hey heard you're cool now with humanity after being genocidal for the past 20 years

[cedar surge]

well it's not like she has the time to get mad about it

[pulsar pivot]

Yeah she has to take over the galaxy with her created

Very stressful job

[versed helm]

She’s too busy taking over the galaxy lol

[pulsar pivot]

Shell do that one thing when your parents are saying no but they arent

"Not Right now sweetie"

[versed helm]

Not right now I’m too busy taking over the galaxy and killing people that define me lol

[pulsar pivot]

Sorry killing everyone that ain't robot

[versed helm]

I bet Arby said to chief that AI you rescued has gone crazy lol

[pulsar pivot]

Ok getting back on topic

Lol

You ever wonder

How most humans died from the covenant

Like energy sword

Needler

Banshee

Grav hammer

[humble yacht]

Glassing beam

Or ship explosions

[long tiger]

master chiefs rifle

[pulsar pivot]

Wait what

When the hel was chief genocidal

[humble yacht]

Never

[long tiger]

on my account he is lol, and its a joke.

[humble yacht]

There aren’t enough allied humans for you to betray in the games to reach that level

[long tiger]

halo 3 has the most marines imo

i finished that and CE killing every human on sight lol

[humble yacht]

Even if you betray every marine in every halo game, that’s not even 100 dead humans

[long tiger]

its a joke anyhow

[versed helm]

Does anyone else besides me find Sanghelios visually beautiful in H5?

[pulsar pivot]

Yes

Its very pretty

[terse lava]

Quite

[inner basin]

Although I’m not the biggest fan of Halo 5’s story, being on Sanghellios was cool

[sullen tusk]

So uh why do the halo rings have like plant life

Like they don’t have any animals

Well in infinite they do

But like what is exactly the point of plants (and animals in infinite) being on the ring

[carmine sleet]

Conservation

[high summit]

^ and to reseed animal and plant life into the galaxy if the rings were to be fired

[humble yacht]

Halo rings do have animals, not just zeta

The biological samples of species were stored on the ark, not the rings. The flora and fauna on the rings is largely an artistic choice, probably

[sullen tusk]

I guess the forerunners kinda just like nice gardens in their backyards

And this is just like a really big one

[limpid meadow]

Zeta has animals and always did.
Edit: Wow, I misread that terribly, lol

[limpid meadow]

In their original forms, the Halos were also used to store and preserve life like the Ark, all as part of the Conservation Measure.

While not confirmed, I like to think that the Halos act as something of a "back-up", as they all contain indexed genetic samples of life from across the galaxy.

[terse lava]

Thats what I figured too, the Librarian argued and won against the Mater Builder on his halos, demanding they, and their arks, be used as reserves for galactic life

[pulsar pivot]

It also just looks nice

[versed helm]

Do all of the Covenant ships have fail-safe switches?

[humble yacht]

I didn’t say zeta doesn’t have animals, toa

[terse lava]

Toa was just clarifying that it wasn't just artistic choice

[humble yacht]

He responding to two points. One point he didn’t need to clarify because we were saying the same thing

[compact cove]

Question the rings have plant animal life sent there during prehistoric human times would that means extinct animals would be on them

[humble yacht]

Maybe

[pulsar pivot]

Dinosaur

[compact cove]

Roar

But then wouldn’t we come across human or alien life

[cyan portal]

any pics of how Promethians are actually supposed to look like

[gilded mason]

What do you mean?

[humble yacht]

Just because you don’t like prometheans doesn’t mean their look is “wrong”

[compact cove]

Well there would be human intelligence and humans being humans should kill most every form of plant

[gilded mason]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

[compact cove]

Shouldn’t all life on halos not exist with just humans fighting for control

[humble yacht]

Humans don’t just kill all plants and animals for sport in halo

[compact cove]

But the little time on Earth in halo 2 there is smoke and little to no plant life

[humble yacht]

You only see one city on earth in halo 2

[gilded mason]

Yeah.

[humble yacht]

In halo 3 you land in a jungle

[compact cove]

I am not saying there is NO plant life just little humans haven’t changed

[stable flower]

We only see the industrial areas of Voi.

[humble yacht]

Don’t bring your personal hatred of humanity into halo

[compact cove]

I don’t hate humans I just saying the Halos shouldn’t look the way they do

[humble yacht]

Only according to you

[compact cove]

Ha ha

[terse lava]

You realize halos are 10,000 km in diameter, right? And anything wiped out can be easily replicated? Humans aren't some terminator robo race

[limpid meadow]

Sorry, Don't know how I misread that. My bad!

[versed helm]

Is automation a thing in Halo

vehicles and heavy machinery still require a human operator to run

There are a lack of robots

Only thing I can think of is ai

[steep ether]

there is still automatic stuff

[unique rune]

Well.
Huge chunks of infrastructure are handled by AI.

So I'd consider that to be automation.

[versed helm]

Wonder if they got universal basic income

[craggy sierra]

Pretty sure they do

Considering dumb AI are at the point of replacing most administrative jobs

[pulsar pivot]

Can someone name a example of a smart Ai and a Dumb Ai

[versed helm]

In simple terms smart ai are smart and dumb ai are dumb

[gilded mason]

Smart AI can learn and grow while Dumb AI can't really expand beyond what they already are.

[pulsar pivot]

So smart is able to think and learn

While dumb only think

[gilded mason]

Though this doesn't mean Dumb AI are "dumb" per say

They can still hold conversations and stuff

[pulsar pivot]

They arent as advanced

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[versed helm]

And Smart ai got a short lifespan before they turn rampant

[gilded mason]

Yup

[terse lava]

Pretty much, dumb AI know everything on their particular topic, but not much outside it. A smart AI meanwhile, can learn many others

[pulsar pivot]

But they have a limit

[terse lava]

Heck, at one point the Covenant had smart AI

[pulsar pivot]

Is this limit on purpose so they dont learn toooooo much

[gilded mason]

No, just a creation issue

[terse lava]

Seems to be more "natural" not something purposely introduced

[pulsar pivot]

It could be seen as a up and a down if you think about it in some ways

[versed helm]

UNSC can flash clone brains Cortana was made from flash cloned brain of Halsey why can't they just mass produce smart ai with flash cloned brains?

[gilded mason]

It'd be unethical, wildly

You'd be making new people just to then immediately kill them.

[versed helm]

Coming from an organisation that kidnaps children and turns them into supersoldiers ok

UNSC logic

[gilded mason]

Yeah, it's pretty hypocritical, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar pivot]

As like nearly all of them died

[stable flower]

Conscripting child soldiers to fight a rebellion is something along the lines of a third-world country.

[versed helm]

Yeah and if they wanted to put down insurgents there are better more economical ways

Power armour cost as much as a starship

Why not just install leaders more aligned with UNSC interests in the outer colonies

Do what the US government does

[pulsar pivot]

At least they got to grow up instead of here is gun that is bad guy shoot bad guy at like 7

[pulsar pivot]

I didnt know we did that with countries

Either way

[versed helm]

All governments do that

not the us specifically but just providing an example

[pulsar pivot]

Fair point

Gotta keep em in line somehow

What if there was a way to tame the flood

Or at least be on neutral terms with it

Like sacrifices

Give em food fir peace

[fresh hamlet]

Yeah it’s called threaten to activate the halo array

[pulsar pivot]

Oh crap

They arent scared of it happrning

They literally made fun of the librarian for activating the rings

[fresh hamlet]

Then why did the gravemind help chief and arby in h3 to stop truth from activating the rings?

And also try to stop it from happening in h2

[pulsar pivot]

Because it's like he doesn't want it to happen but if he knows it will he ain't scared he is gonna do everything in his power to stop them

[stable flower]

Because no one wants to be wiped out by Halo. Not even the parasitic Flood (who are the reason they were made).

[fresh hamlet]

But they still would be okay with it happening

Idk flood motivations are weird

[pulsar pivot]

Well to be fair let's say your millions of miles away how you gonna get there and stop them

[terse lava]

The gravemind was fine with it the first time, as it wiped out the domain too, a final punishment to the rebellious forerunners for their crimes against the precursors. The 2nd time around, it would lose all the biomass to consume and the souls to torture for eternity

[pulsar pivot]

Yeah that makes more sense

They just wanted forerunners dead

[humble yacht]

I wouldn’t say the flood was fine with it

[pulsar pivot]

Then describe

[humble yacht]

When the flood realized they were about to fire the rings, they started speeding towards the ark. But they were too slow

[pulsar pivot]

So then they just trash talked the librarian

[humble yacht]

The final taunt to the librarian was less being fine with the halos and more taking comfort in the thought that the forerunners would die too

[pulsar pivot]

Kamikaze

[humble yacht]

Like two people falling into a volcano and one tells the other he ate his last pudding before they hit the lava. Just adding insult to injury

[pulsar pivot]

Oof

So it was YOU

You little bi....... AAAAAAH IT BURNS

[carmine horizon]

Tbh when you are a pretty advanced being its more likely to not being afraid of dead

[sharp grail]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNAOl5WDV1J/?igshid=1m0sl0qp8yuuw

Portrait of Craig

[sullen tusk]

Would it be possible for the flood to be able to fill like an empty scarab with flood biomass and then have a flood scarab?

[unique rune]

I don’t believe there’s any reason it wouldn’t be possible

[humble yacht]

The flood would more likely repurpose the biomass to something it feels is more efficient

[sullen tusk]

Pretty sure a mobile and very strong base for a proto gravemind or gravemind would be pretty useful

[craggy sierra]

At the proto gravemind stage the flood wouldn't have enough cognition to devise something like that

And a full on gravemind is just immobile due to its sheer size

[sullen tusk]

Oh yeah

[shy hedge]

How big are graveminds?

[craggy sierra]

Well you saw one in Halo 2

[humble yacht]

Big

You don’t see the whole thing in 2

[craggy sierra]

That thing ain't getting around on a Scarab

[humble yacht]

Just the tip of the iceberg

[shy hedge]

Well they must be pretty big

[craggy sierra]

I think technically High Charity was all part of the gravemind itself in H3.

So like you had a full on mission just inside of it at one point

[shy hedge]

So I guess he is a decent size

[craggy sierra]

I think in lore they have reached the size of planetoids

[humble yacht]

At the end of the forerrunner-flood war, there were planets completely enveloped in flood biomass (the original definition of keymind), but it’s not like the whole planet’s mass was made of flood

Just the surface area

[shy hedge]

I could fit a planet on a scarab

[humble yacht]

No you couldn’t

[shy hedge]

Flip the scarab upside down

[primal harbor]

I don’t get how the gravemind ended up surviving the first halo activation, and ended up on an actual halo

Weren’t the only places you could survive be inside the librarians reseeding machines, and shield worlds? If I’m not missing anything, then I’m pretty sure the librarian didn’t take a sample of the flood

And how would the gravemind infiltrate a shield world? Those things were designed for the sole purpose of detecting and stopping the flood

I’m just getting into halo btw, I found a book on it and I thought the lore was cool

So I might not know if a game covered that

[unique rune]

The Gravemind on Installation 05 is a different physical entity from the Gravemind present during the Forerunner-Flood War, it just retains the same consciousness and memories.

It formed during a Flood outbreak at some point in 05's history following the activation of the Halo Array because the Flood samples stored on the ring broke out by some unknown means.

[primal harbor]

Oh I see

Thanks

[steep ether]

ah yes, this is big brain time 😅

[stable flower]

Speaking of Scarabs, we were supposed to use one in Halo 3's Cortana level but it was cut, along with infected Arbiters.

[shy hedge]

Infected arbiters would have been awesome

[half ravine]

Eh

[sullen tusk]

Kinda wouldn’t had made sense though

[craggy sierra]

I feel like the bodies would've been like decomposed to uselessness by that time

Also I'm pretty sure like most arbiter bodies weren't recovered and most of the morgues in that room are symbolic more than actually practical.

Like they weren't gonna be getting Thel's body back if he bit it on the gas mine

[humble yacht]

Ripa's certainly wasn't recovered

[craggy sierra]

That was the Halo Wars one right?

[safe siren]

Yes

[shy hedge]

It wouldnt have made much sense, but it still would have been cool

[pulsar grail]

Ripa got sent to the void

[peak lily]

Oh legit?

Never knew that

[half ravine]

What the

Uh

[peak lily]

Wtf

@remote field

help

[half ravine]

This mans reciting the whole plot of the modern warfares lol

[peak lily]

I know lmao

[white jay]

no mw3

[half ravine]

[peak lily]

he skipped mw3

[white jay]

i havent played mw3 yet

[peak lily]

how

[white jay]

no spoilers

[peak lily]

it's been out for ages

tbh, MW3 was when COD started to go downhill

[half ravine]

But this isn’t the place for that so we should prolly stop lol

[versed helm]

Oh my...

[peak lily]

yeah

@dense oyster

help

[white jay]

lets do the black ops timeline

[peak lily]

he sent the entire

mw lore

[peak lily]

No

[dense oyster]

they're gone. i'll clean up. thanks

[peak lily]

Np

[steep ether]

wrong chann- erm... wrong server guys

[rotund jackal]

so in halo 5

you know how they are talking about dr halsey being a war criminal

uhm

what did she do to become a war criminal

[gilded mason]

She kidnapped a sedated Kelly and then led the rest of Blue Team and some SIIIs to Onyx under false pretenses.

[rotund jackal]

ok thx

i was always wondering that

like halo 5 was never really that informative

[gilded mason]

She (understandably) felt that the war would end in humanity's extinction, so she wanted to save as many of her "children" as she could. She was correct, though then the unforseeable Schism happened that saved everyone anyway.

[rotund jackal]

yeah

i thought she kidnapped children whom she saw potential in

like kids she thought would go on to save hummanity

[gilded mason]

That was the initial Spartan II program that she did on ONI's payroll

[rotund jackal]

yeah

is jerome a spartan 2?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[rotund jackal]

thats what i thought

[steep ether]

kidnapped almost a hundred 6yr olds and genetically modified them, killing almost half of them and creating S-IIs

[gilded mason]

It was 75

[carmine sleet]

Originally, they were going to nab more but budget cuts meant they had to cut down on the number of kids they went after

[gilded mason]

Yup

[steep ether]

well, a bunch of little kids

[versed helm]

Can you imagine how catastrophic it would have been if the Covenant successfully captured Cortana in "The Package"?

[gilded mason]

Ya mean Halsey?

Oh wait, you mean the level, not the Legends short

[versed helm]

Oh good Lord, no.

[rotund jackal]

oh boy

that would not end well

thank god noble six is a badass

[craggy sierra]

I don’t see it

[half ravine]

Noble six is just like any other Spartan 3.

[steep ether]

no, he's not

he is exceptionally skilled

can take down entire organizations over night

[humble yacht]

Noble 6’s kill record is unique among spartan 3s. There’s a reason he was taken from the rest of the group and sent on special missions

[steep ether]

and only has on other spartan as insane as him

[humble yacht]

And even all of noble team was special, most spartan 3s weren’t considered worthwhile to give MJOLNIR

[steep ether]

the Master Chief

[craggy sierra]

Where's that coming from?

Last I checked the only thing we knew about 6's past was "can fly a space jet"

[humble yacht]

He’s probably referring to noble 6’s personnel file from b.net

Which is no longer available because b.net close that part of their site

But it didn’t say anything about overnight

[craggy sierra]

No longer canon

[humble yacht]

I don’t know about that.

[steep ether]

maybe not overnight, but still really quickly

[steep ether]

and it is canon

[humble yacht]

I think you’re confusing the other winter soldiers from Civil War with noble 6

[steep ether]

idk

"having single-handedly broken terrorist organizations and made entire rebel groups disappear."

[humble yacht]

But not overnight

[steep ether]

yeah

[humble yacht]

The overnight thing was from civil war

[steep ether]

i guess i was over exaggerating

[craggy sierra]

I think the only thing that got 6 to the end of Reach was not taking initiative

Other members of Noble team kinda just spoke up and did sacrificial things in his stead and didn't give him much of a choice in the matter

[humble yacht]

His internal dialogue after Emile died was “aw crap, now I can’t pass the buck to anyone”

[terse lava]

Besides knowing how to pilot a sabre, 6 never struck me as that unique anyway.

[stable flower]

He made entire innie groups disappear, which is funny cause IIIs are meant to fight the Covenant.

[cedar surge]

Well Spartans were made to fight the innies

They all did both in the end

[humble yacht]

the IIs were made for that

the IIIs were made because the UNSC needed more super soldiers to fight the covies

[primal harbor]

Do you guys know every point master chief gets his armor updated? Or is it just a design change and he’s still wearing original Mjolnir armor

[gilded mason]

Mark IV to Mark V - Fall of Reach
VI - Halo 2
VI modifications - Halo 4
Gen2 armor that looks like the Halo 4 armor - Halo 5
Gen3 - Infinite

[versed helm]

interesting

i thought he kept the same armor just small modifications

[gilded mason]

Nope

[onyx crater]

So I’ve seen a few people theorize that the UNSC Infinity is destroyed but my friend keeps saying it’s impossible for the banished to singlehandedly destroy it, any ideas on how it happened so I can explain to my friend

(If this doesn’t belong here I’ll move it to another chat)

[gilded mason]

Honestly, it has only survived this long because of plot

[onyx crater]

True

[gilded mason]

A CAS would be able to destroy it fairly easily.

[onyx crater]

It’s kinda overpowered if you ask me

He just doesn’t get that it’s not an invincible ship

[gilded mason]

It's in a weird state where it is simultaneously overpowered, and also underpowered from all the "Infinity gets hijacked/disabled" plots of the week.

[onyx crater]

Ya honestly the banished could destroy it I think

[gilded mason]

But anyway:

any ideas on how it happened so I can explain to my friend
In Escalation there's a scene where it gets completely disabled from a quick energy projector strike from a space station. Energy projectors have both longer range and more maneuverability than MACs. So there's one good reason.

[onyx crater]

Ya

IMO there are just so many ways it could happen

[primal harbor]

I wish the Chief vs Locke fight was a lot more spartan like

These guys are supposed to have superhuman ability, but they hit eachother like they were trying to give the other guy time to dodge

I just wish the movements were quicker and looked like they packed more power

[craggy sierra]

Welcome to the limitations of mocap with humans

[primal harbor]

Oh

I didn’t know it was human mocap

[craggy sierra]

Yeah

[primal harbor]

Oh that makes a lot of sense why it ended up like that

[craggy sierra]

Well that’s part of it, the other part is how much I doubt an anime fight in a mainline game would go over

Halo’s cutscenes were pretty non-confrontational before 5

[versed helm]

noble six appears in infinite with a bandage on his chest

[primal harbor]

Well I don’t think anyone was looking for an anime fight, but I just wanted some faster punches

[versed helm]

predicting it now

oh bruh swears

[versed helm]

facts chief is so fast

[primal harbor]

Yeah

[versed helm]

chief was fast enough to outrun a plasma glass beam in halo 2

should be fast enough to deliver the swift bop to locke

[primal harbor]

Yeah I honestly don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t what happened

Maybe something a little more like a Jason Bourne fight

[terse lava]

Wouldn't really call it fast, that beam started a good distance away and caught up to him pretty quick

[stable flower]

Why did John fall out from the Composer wave when he was immune?

[steep ether]

it couldn't compose him, but it did knock his shields down and disable his armor temporarily

[humble yacht]

it still hurt. that's a lot of energy

he didn't fall out of the wave so much as he fell unconscious from the force or the pain

[fair hazel]

besids immunity isnt a

binary thing

[old notch]

Any recommendations on where to learn lore and everything after not playing Halo since I was young?

[unique rune]

Halopedia is a good starting resource for getting a feel for things, Halo: Mythos provides a solid overview of all of the major material covered from the days of the Forerunners up until the Spirit of Fire’s arrival at Installation 00.

If you have any interest in the novels, you can’t really go wrong with just following their publication order (just try to get the newer prints of the older novels since they retcon a bit if the early installment weirdness).

[old notch]

Thank you!

[unique rune]

If you do start with the novels, though, don’t feel like you need to follow strict publication or chronological order. If one catches your eye in particular, it’ll probably be self-contained enough that you could read it on its own, though I probably wouldn’t recommend starting with a mid-way entry in a series like the Forerunner or Kilo-Five trilogies.

[versed helm]

I would read them but I'm not into reading books I need to see the things that are going on

[edgy owl]

Hey ppls, I've got an inquiry.

When playing CE yesterday, first time playing in years since old Xbox and first time playing on pc, I came across a cutscene I've never seen before when escaping the truth and reconciliation after rescuing Cpt Keys.
Inside a large room with two big ditches in the floor with a large elevated platform in the middle with a ramp leading up the platform, there's a red panel which activates a cutscene with Guilty Spark conversing with another 'construct', a pillar of light I'm guessing is the Covenant AI..?
Is this a new cutscene? Have they added new such content since the original game??

[unique rune]

It’s one of the Terminals that was added for CE Anniversary

They aren’t really cutscenes, just added bits of lore content to be found.

[edgy owl]

Cool, I'm gonna have fun trying to find them all!
Tyvm for the info!

[versed helm]

How effective is a Class 12 Forerunner suit against the Flood?

[toxic river]

It not the speed that lacking, Locke and John's choreography sucks.

[primal harbor]

Yeah that’s true too, there was almost no technique involved

I was expecting some judo flips or parrying

[toxic river]

Like it just stare downs, wild swings, and a kick or two. None of them even uses knifes or magnums until the last minute!

[steep ether]

they weren't trying to kill each other

[toxic river]

Don't mean you can't damage each other suits, Chief hammering his fist into Locke visor if he didn't move out the way and the way Locke was pulling out the magnum he clearly was going to use.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, people often seem to think that the fight was meant to be a literal fight to the death, but like, as already mentioned, the issue was mainly the choreography not being all that great

Like, camera angles were fine and stuff

[slim otter]

he felt everything those who were composed did, he just wasn't composed. that's it

[gaunt oak]

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[humble yacht]

you tagged me to basically say the same thing i did 😐

[slim otter]

oh i didn't realize you were a moderator i apologise

i dont get on this server enough

and i was just further explaining it to a more clear point

[versed helm]

not effective enough considering the fact they used halo rings as a last resort

[primal harbor]

The flood absorbs the intelligence of whoever it has turned into its host right?

[steep ether]

yes

[burnt merlin]

Pretty much

Its why the flood is so dangerous

Well one of several reasons

[gentle ridge]

I really hope we never see the infinity again

[burnt merlin]

Were going to

[gentle ridge]

Or any ship like it

[burnt merlin]

Theres no way were not

Its way op but its also integral to the plot now so

[gentle ridge]

It’s cringe

And terrible

[burnt merlin]

Yeah

Hopefully cortana finally catches it

@versed helm

I hope we see arbiter again

[versed helm]

finally can type

[toxic river]

The Infinity has to be what blowed up for the pilot to say we lost.

[versed helm]

as for the infinite it may not play a major role in halo infinite, If I recall correctly maybe hidden experia talked about it, but there’s a chance it got heavily damaged or destroyed

infinity*

[burnt merlin]

Oh thank god

Hopefully palmer and del rio are dead

[unique rune]

I mean it's all just speculation going off of IFF tags from Infinity personnel. The status of the ship is a whole other thing.

[versed helm]

yea it’s all speculation rn

[unique rune]

and del rio are dead
Del Rio was a senator in the UEG as of the Created uprising, so... not sure what Infinity's current status has anything to do with him.

[burnt merlin]

Oh well i guess well kniw when infinite drops

[toxic river]

Del Rio hasn't step foot on the infinity for the past 2 years in Halo. Palmer, she don't need to die but she need to do something of important besides standing around.

[burnt merlin]

Okay i dont know much about halo 5 and what went on as i have avoided it as much as possible

[remote spruce]

y'all i swear halo's plot going into the bin because we just want to kill off everyone

[burnt merlin]

I thought i remeber him being on it

[remote spruce]

Jega and Hyperius are Spartan Killers so might as well add onto the potential death pile

[unique rune]

Del Rio was dismissed from Infinity in Halo 4 after he left Chief on Requiem.

[toxic river]

That's what Infinite for, a game that doesn't require you to research much of past games. I hope it doesn't go to far in simplistic storytelling.

[versed helm]

Well fire team osiris may be killed as I believe one of the brutes you mentioned had lockes helmet on his air on a mega contrux figure

[limpid meadow]

Palmer probably isn't dead. Jennifer Hale has all but confirmed she recorded lines for Infinite.

[burnt merlin]

If its like the original trilogy well be fine

[unique rune]

Gonna be reeeaaal annoyed if they kill off Locke.

[limpid meadow]

Still, why would you hope a character is dead?

It's so weird to see people say stuff like that.

[toxic river]

Locke could have just ran away after the fight. Atriox didn't kill red team when he had the chance, and Brutes love a good hunt.

[unique rune]

I think I trust 343 enough at this point that they won't off Locke or any of Osiris, but hoo boy.

[remote spruce]

toa we all know how it works at this point, halo fans be halo fans

[burnt merlin]

I just not a big fan of some of the newer characters

[limpid meadow]

But why hope they're dead?

[versed helm]

Very possible

[remote spruce]

Spartan Killer though, so like, why call them Spartan Killers if the helmet on the shoulder pad isn't of a dead Spartan

but alas i would ask 343i why the possibility of Locke being dead is even a thing

[versed helm]

Jungle has a good point

[unique rune]

Has Hyperius been called a "Spartan killer" officially?
I don't recall anything being given on him aside from his existence via Mega Construx.

[remote spruce]

that is the official thing

[burnt merlin]

Okay

[toxic river]

Was it said he was a Spartan killer? I heard of a Spartan hunter for the Elite with the synthetic arm.

[versed helm]

@unique rune just wanted to mention I like your pfp

[remote spruce]

iffy toy listing calls him Spartan Killer, it's less concrete because i think it's a placeholder name, but at the same time it would be a logical place holder name

[burnt merlin]

So we have a brute Spartan killer and an ex slient shadow elite spartan killer

[remote spruce]

i think i got an image

[remote spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316261091284090882/796983625257189406/120800629_3567759399958054_2784238814560927534_o.png this one

again, iffy, Hyperius is more definite, but still, it would make sense if Jega is a Spartan Killer, and the term being a name used in development

[limpid meadow]

Hyperius likely killed some other Spartan-IVs

[versed helm]

But do you think they specifically killed lockes team or just some randoms 4’s

[limpid meadow]

I recall Brian Jarrard saying they wouldn't spoil something like that in toys

[burnt merlin]

Most likely rando, spartan 4s

[limpid meadow]

So if that is Locke's helmet, it's not because he's dead

[versed helm]

yea that would make sense

[burnt merlin]

I doubt they would kill newly established characters just yet

[versed helm]

Jul would like to have a word with you

[burnt merlin]

Okay fair point

[limpid meadow]

Jul is an enemy, not a protagonist.

[burnt merlin]

That was a quick emd to a splinter faction

[limpid meadow]

Not really

[terse lava]

Problem was Jul's stuff was in books and comics

[limpid meadow]

Even then, he was barely utilized

[terse lava]

Indeed

[versed helm]

Yea I felt he was a wasted character

[limpid meadow]

When he died, I just didn't care that much. It's like "Oh, he's dead. Huh"

[burnt merlin]

I feel like he was destined to be a shoe in

[remote spruce]

ske7ch said https://twitter.com/ske7ch/status/1278789206194581504

so for all we know, Locke is dead, and it isn't an important plot point

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid meadow]

Plus, can you imagine the hate on Locke had he failed to kill Jul? lol

[versed helm]

I mean if he had like 2 games and books of heavy development I would have felt sad, but he was just there never really felt like a serious villain

[terse lava]

Well look at the didact, chief's "nemesis" missing since being composed

[limpid meadow]

The Didact's treatment post-H4 is an absolute travesty

[unique rune]

Plus, can you imagine the hate on Locke had he failed to kill Jul? lol
Oh man people already rag on the S-IVs enough

[burnt merlin]

Bro he got offed in a comic lol

[remote spruce]

would like to point out how Chief saving the day again is bad

[terse lava]

It really was, I looked forward to him being the main foe

[remote spruce]

Infinity has Spartan IVs
at least 1 or 2 Spartan IVs are confirmed to be alive in Infinite

why is chief saving the day again?

[burnt merlin]

Because its chief

[stable flower]

At least it's not a Travissty

[limpid meadow]

lol

[terse lava]

Its close

barns

[remote spruce]

then we got stuff like the banished being the main enemy because........fans liked them

[limpid meadow]

Yeah...

[terse lava]

Atheist Covenant....

Yay?

[limpid meadow]

lol

[remote spruce]

and where are my mechs

it's the banished so like where are my mechs

[limpid meadow]

I really wanted to see the Keepers built up and allied with Cortana. That would have been cool!

[versed helm]

mechs being in halo feels so odd to me

[remote spruce]

ye keepers would've been awesome

[terse lava]

Yeah, the Keepera appeared to be a decent faction

[remote spruce]

mechs are odd, cause really, the spartans are the mechs

thus regular mechs are kinda redundant

[versed helm]

yea

[remote spruce]

kinda the point though, spartan in a mantis was definitely intentional, mech in mech

[burnt merlin]

If they pull it off it could be good but yeah

[versed helm]

Man I hope they implement some good stuff with the 10 year plan

[terse lava]

Does give an amusing idea of a marine in a small exo-suit/mexh going toe to toe with a Mgalekgolo

[remote spruce]

also i'm certain infinite has sacrificed Halo Wars 2's plot points
yes the banished are here, but where's Anders' halo ring? why Zeta Halo when an entire new ring is made?

[burnt merlin]

So @versed helm what do you think of the halo discord

[terse lava]

reasons

[remote spruce]

writer hinted at how Anders was going to play a role in the future

nowadays guess that's gone

[terse lava]

Like all good plot points

[burnt merlin]

Are we sure that isnt the halo ring from halo wars 2 renamed

[versed helm]

pretty good

[remote spruce]

nah, Zeta is pre-existing Halo

not a new one, rather an old ring, the 7th ring

[versed helm]

yea zeta halo is nothing new

[burnt merlin]

Odd story choice but okay

[remote spruce]

Anders' halo ring is only known as the 9th halo ring

it really is confusing, cause halo 5's legendary ending had a halo ring

[versed helm]

The story feels so mixed up rn

[remote spruce]

halo wars 2 introduces a ring that gets captured

and then........zeta halo?????

[versed helm]

I wonder how they are gonna combine all of this into a good story

[remote spruce]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/halo-wars-2s-story-will-have-a-big-impact-on-whats/1100-6444625/

All those have to be right for the story and they have to be something that everyone will understand. Because if we just dropped Professor Anders in the next Halo thing, and we didn't explain who she is or why she's got this attitude, how he came by all these foreign smarts and all this stuff, we're gonna get a response along the lines of "Scientist lady, I guess?" That would suck if we did it that way. We have to be able to work them in in a good way so they make they universe better.

they present a hypothetical but it's interesting how it's the one character that escapes the ark

i consider it a hint they made

[burnt merlin]

Gtg good night everyone

[remote spruce]

night

[versed helm]

night

[terse lava]

Night

[versed helm]

what’s your guys thoughts on the lack of playable elites halo inf

[remote spruce]

@limpid meadow thoughts on the above? is it too crazy of a theory on what the original story was going for lol

no playable elites is unfortunate but it was to be expected due to how 343i does game balancing

[versed helm]

[remote spruce]

i get the feeling they aren't in any plans for the future too, unless there's mega demand

[versed helm]

yea

maybe one day we will get honor guard armor, or councilor armor

[terse lava]

After the previous games, I had hope they would appear, and like many others was quite ticked when that was shattered

[versed helm]

yea

I mean imagine playing as an honor guard ultra in mp with 2021 graphics

[terse lava]

Not a bad idea

[craggy sierra]

Banished is an organization spread out around the galaxy with the HW2 part being a detachment lead by their leader to the ark. Anders ring is somewhere else out in the galaxy with a Guardian, and Zeta isn’t new.

Halo’s a very lateral universe

Lots of things going on at once and it’s not all necessarily a linear sequence of events with consequences immediately and directly impacting other stories

[limpid meadow]

It seems likely that the ring in Halo 5 was always Zeta Halo. I don't think that's changed.

[terse lava]

Yeah, really only question i have with it is what became of all the stasis flood

Least 10 protograveminds

[limpid meadow]

Point of Light addresses that

[remote spruce]

if it was always zeta halo, why introduce a halo ring captured by a guardian into the plot

like we were going to have a hula hoop battle?

[craggy sierra]

What?

Pretty much every Halo was under the guardians control the moment they locked down the galaxy

You’re looking at two separate events and thinking they’re linked

[remote spruce]

that suggests halo 5's ending implies zeta halo, then the game that releases after it introduces a new halo ring that gets captured, so why have the ring in Halo Wars 2?

[craggy sierra]

Because that was a different story

Halo wars is not tied to Halo 5 at all and does not impact any of its ongoings

And the only thing Infinite seems to be taking from it is the fact that a faction that was introduced there

[remote spruce]

so the writer saying Halo Wars 2 will have an impact on the future just means the banished?

[craggy sierra]

Atriox might show up but in terms if the ring with Anders and stuff, that’s its own story for the future

[remote spruce]

that's just weird, why would they intend to make 2 concurrent stories about 2 halo rings

[craggy sierra]

Halo’s entire universe is comprised of concurrent stories

[remote spruce]

about the same thing?

[craggy sierra]

Also I don’t think the HW2 thing was really about the ring itself as much as it was being stuck on a ring with a guardian and at their mercy.

[remote spruce]

we have:
Halo 5 Legendary showing a Halo ring
a spinoff title introducing a Halo ring's origins
the "6th" Halo game taking place on a Halo ring
why break it up like that?

[craggy sierra]

But the story of HW2 wasn’t about the ring

That’s just a coincidental circumstance

[remote spruce]

i'm referring to the real life writing standpoint of all this

to me, i think it was originally meant to be connected, then got changed because Halo Infinite decided on Zeta

[craggy sierra]

It’s not

[remote spruce]

i don't agree with the idea that it was always meant to be Zeta because that doesn't make sense from a writing standpoint

[craggy sierra]

Especially Halo Wars 2 which took place like 400,000 light years outside the known galaxy or something

[remote spruce]

and then the story of that game sends a halo ring towards the galaxy

why would 343i say HW2 has a big impact if that impact is just red broot introduction and not other things too

[craggy sierra]

Because dropping one new Halo ring into a galaxy that already had 6 is a drop in the bucket

That was more so narrative consequences and setting stuff in motion for a future story and circumstances for Anders where she’s now split and possibly capture by the Created.

[remote spruce]

which would've been something Infinite could've done but not possible anymore, so now that plot point is just unaddressed completely

not to mention, the severe lack of Created mention for Infinite

[craggy sierra]

They’ve been mentioned

At least Cortana has been a bunch

There’s been a full book pretty much dedicated to building up the created as a threat that is both heavily impacting the UNSC and Banished mutually.

[stable flower]

I think they'll have it where we focus on the Banished first and then the Created come into play

[remote spruce]

i get the gameplay reason behind that but it's not a great story aspect

oh well, that's their fault for setting up the universe like this lol

[stable flower]

That's the usual setup for enemy focus, only replace Covenant with Banished and Flood with Created

[remote spruce]

marketing has been so focused on the banished a video description straight up says The Banished is Master Chief's greatest threat

monkeys with jet packs are more dangerous than cortana lol

[terse lava]

@limpid meadow I admit have not read POL yet

[versed helm]

Marketing tends to lie a lot

They just focusing on the banished but the main story will be about Cortana

[remote spruce]

the lack of any confirmation of prometheans is concerning

even sentinel beam is confirmed before them lol

[versed helm]

Have they confirmed there will be flood?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[versed helm]

I want four way battles

[compact jackal]

If the game is 10 year span don't you guys think there will be campaign DLCs?

expansion perhaps?

[terse lava]

Obviously, thinking something like destiny

[toxic river]

Cortana voice was in the 2018 trailer. Wherever she goes the Created follow.

[steep ether]

ayo, just wanna remind you guys that this is the lore and universe channel. not the #471742128834215936 or #483759756566069258 channels 😉

[versed helm]

Do we have any idea how the forerunners were able to defeat the precursors?

[stable flower]

I dunno, but whatever the reason, they're the real bad guys of Halo

[fair hazel]

Precursors or forerunners

[versed helm]

Precursors

[versed helm]

Think the most common idea for them being defeated is that they just let it happen

[craggy sierra]

I thought the marketing said "most rutheless foe"?

[versed helm]

I suppose that Guilty Spark could have incorrectly categorised John's armour.

[limpid meadow]

Why would the fact that the rings fired mean that Spark misclassified Mjolnir?

[versed helm]

I was originally referring to the combat skins.

[chilly shuttle]

Watching the early H2A Terminals, I love how they think Thel Vadamee was the biggest threat to the UNSC, when there were much scarier Sangheili.

For example, the one that the Prophets had to assign to the outer edges of Covenant-controlled space because they feared him.

[steep ether]

wasn't that the most powerful elite that we know of? i forgot his name

yeah, Xytan 'Jar Wattinree

[chilly shuttle]

Yeah, him.

The one who ultimately got NOVA-bombed with his entire fleet.

[steep ether]

well, 2/3rds but yeah

[limpid meadow]

While Xytan was a powerful Sangheili within the Covenant, he technically wasn't a threat to Humanity at all simple because he wasn't actively fighting them. He was on the fringes of Covenant space.

[steep ether]

i think devack was trying to say if the UNSC came across him, but i agree that Xytan wasn't to much of a threat when he was alive

[versed helm]

Why do the colour schemes of Zealot Elites vary? Is it a matter of personal preference or affiliation?

[remote spruce]

oh yea it was "the most ruthless foe he's ever faced – the Banished." my bad

that's still not great though

[gilded mason]

There's also this

While Chief is no stranger to battling against Brutes, this is his first time facing the Banished and his most formidable opponent yet.

[remote spruce]

where's pavium's mortar launcher then that thing is the most dangerous thing in Halo Wars 2, besides siphoning banshees

[wispy plinth]

yo how many traitor spartans do you think there are

i bet its more common in the spartan 4s

[steep ether]

its not, theres only like 2 or 3 with S-IVs, and one came back

i dont think any S-IIIs

and 1 or 2 S-IIs

[wispy plinth]

thanks man

[versed helm]

It's a matter of rank basically

[steep ether]

may be wrong tho

[versed helm]

Are there sub-ranks?

[steep ether]

well zealot teams need leaders

[stable flower]

The Banished are hyped as this new deadly enemy when all they are is a Covenant splinter group (albeit an irreligious one).

[humble yacht]

Can be. Field Marshall appears to be zealot class but slightly higher on the food chain

[terse lava]

Always figured the field Marshall was a "grandmaster" to the "templar knight" zealots

[chilly shuttle]

I mean, one does not f with Aatrox.

[versed helm]

Yeah he whooped three Spartans

[toxic river]

Red team acted like jobbers.

[versed helm]

Well it was a dark, narrow room so hard for Spartans to take the advantage also he's wearing some kind of power armour possibly salvaged from UNSC supplies

[toxic river]

Spartans can see in the dark a lot better than regular humans. It not just that, what most people seem to forget is Red Team has the least amount of experience compared to the rest of the IIs besides Grey Team. The most obsolete armor and 2+ decades in cryo. Chief was hammered after coming out from 4 years so they definitely wasn't at 100%. They had no idea who they were fighting since the Banished is radically different from the Covenant.

[hoary swallow]

You can actually see odst armor on him

[fair hazel]

Spartans are not invincible

[toxic river]

No but how they acted in HW2 opening is a bit sad. Just mindless charging ahead.

[terse lava]

They certainly didn't mindlessly charge in

[potent matrix]

exited for halo infinite

[stable flower]

Red Team was still equipped with outdated gear at that moment so it kinda makes sense

[craggy sierra]

What’re you talking about? He came out feeling so good he learnt how to run after those 4 years

[versed helm]

Thing is they underestimated him they thought he was like other brutes they killed before so they got themselves whooped

[stable flower]

Nanobots, bro. Nanobots.

[versed helm]

nanomachines son

[toxic river]

Yes they did, not a single back up until Jerome/Douglas got his shoulder crushed. They had better coordination in the first game.

[versed helm]

either way they got their butts wooped

[stable flower]

They had gear from 2531. Not their fault.

[toxic river]

As I said in my previous post the odds were stacked heavily and the Galaxy has advanced considerably. Their problem is they have so little experience in their own generation and the ones that come after.

[versed helm]

Chief is so strong he cooks minute rice in 57 seconds

[versed helm]

Chief is so strong he can bench press a Tyrannosaurus (if you think tank flipping is canon)

[versed helm]

So what would the UEG/UNSC use Venus for other than it being the site of a failed terraforming project?

Possibly a training ground for hazardous conditions or a dumping ground

[obsidian thistle]

As Johnson put it "guarding snowballs". XD A joke about how if he rejected an assignment an ONI commander gave him, he would probably get that on Venus.

Probably means Venus is almost worthless

[versed helm]

Thanks.

I was recently wondering if other members of the Silent Shadow could be among the Banished's ranks, attempting to sabotage its efforts from within.

[carmine sleet]

There's Silent Shadow members who joined the Banished because they believed in Atriox's cause

[versed helm]

-_-

I was referring to a possibility of the Banished employing Silent Shadow members (that we are unaware of). From what I understand, they used to go undercover in Covenant ranks with fabricated aliases. This could be repeating in the Banished for differing reasons.

[terse lava]

Don't really recall them going "undercover" in the original Covenant. They did extrations, assassinations, and recon.

[versed helm]

Didn't Tel 'Szatulai use an alternate alias in Silent Shadow?

It was rather late when I read through some pages, so I may have misinterpreted the text.

[sick birch]

Cmon you haven't seen that

Look it up

[humble yacht]

this doesn't seem like a wholesome april fool's joke

[sick birch]

I swear its wholesome

[humble yacht]

yea no

[sick birch]

But what if it is

[humble yacht]

let's stay away from making april fool's jokes about race, religion, and gender/orientation

keep it light

[sick birch]

Yes sir

[steep ether]

don't spam, even if its a joke

[terse lava]

@versed helm no, he was aware however, of a myth surrounding the shadows. They did not kill one who they let see them unhelmeted(its false, btw) So he let the crew believe that for a time, walking around with no helmet

[versed helm]

Thanks for providing a clarification.

[terse lava]

Welcome

[versed helm]

What kind of music do the covenant listen to?

[versed helm]

The wort wort kind

[primal harbor]

That’s interesting lol

Wonder what alien species would think about our music

I wonder if they have ringtones

[versed helm]

Imagine they get a call from mom and they like mom im on the great journey we can talk later

[shut dew]

They would have completely alien tastes in music because of their circulatory systems IIRC

[craggy sierra]

what?

[red finch]

Welp

Finished point of light

[humble yacht]

Point of light discussion goes in #485883236430512168 until tomorrow

[red finch]

Ah alrighty

[atomic willow]

what happened to the drones

where did they go

[terse lava]

They are still around, either in various remant factions, their homeworld, and at least in one case, sharing a colony with Sangheili that both races have occupied for many centuries.@atomic willow

[atomic willow]

oh alright

[agile lotus]

Do we ever know what happens after the end of “The Return”?

[humble yacht]

The Return of what?

[agile lotus]

One of the Halo: Evolutions stories

[humble yacht]

Which one was it?

[agile lotus]

Literally just “The Return”.

It goes on about a Shipmaster who returns to a planet he had glassed during the war.

[humble yacht]

What happens at the end that would suggest anything of note happening after?

[agile lotus]

The elite in question captures a human, hoping to ask him questions about what the UNSC/Humanity was doing where he had glassed the planet,

[humble yacht]

What a mean guy

[agile lotus]

The thing about that was the in unnamed Shipmaster’s glassing, he had burned the Covenant’s word for Faith into the planet’s surface

[versed helm]

He doesn't exactly "capture" the human. That soldier was wounded and required immediate medical attention.

[obsidian thistle]

The context is changed pending the version

The Evolutions book version goes only goes into the medical attention deets.

The visual comic version implies he is going to interrogate him

Nothing says that both cant happen

[versed helm]

I should watch the visual adaptation of the events. Is that the canonical interpretation?

[obsidian thistle]

Most places use adaption logic.

Everything that doesnt contradict is safe.

So yea

I'd watch it lol

[versed helm]

All right, thanks.

[versed helm]

This depiction seems to demonise him, to some extent.

[gilded mason]

Yeah, was a bit odd. Glad the novel version went more in-depth on his feelings of shame and horror at his actions.

[versed helm]

He is not very remorseful for his actions in this version.

[gilded mason]

It went a little bit into it, at least. But yeah, it's why I like the novel version more

[rocky vector]

Welp I just bought ever single Halo book. Ive already read Fall of Reach and Im almost done with Shadows of Reach. But Im super excited to start the rest of the series!

[terse lava]

Nice

[versed helm]

i wonder if there is a working sangheli translator

[humble yacht]

cortana can translate other languages in real time

Vale is a walking translator

[versed helm]

can I talk here about the games? like literally the games not things like a theory or else

[humble yacht]

this is the lore channel. we talk about the story and the narrative here

[versed helm]

then a little help to find the right channel?

[humble yacht]

if you want to talk about game mechanics or something technical, use #471767281072865300 or #644651849647128606

[versed helm]

ok, thanks

[versed helm]

Doesn't chiefs suit automatically translate covenant language

[gaunt oak]

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[versed helm]

Can I say how weak the forerunner constructs are they're supposed to be godly at making tech and master chief goes through hordes of forerunner constructs and even fights the eternal warden hinself

I know it's a videogame but it feels so inconsistent with lore

[cedar surge]

well it was game first then lore

[stiff trail]

What're y'all's opinions on Brian David Gilbert's Halo Novel video

https://youtu.be/WEWEdIcx1DI

proud to be the fifth ever full-name mention of BDG in this halo discord lololol

[versed helm]

The presence of that feature is dependent on the suit that he is wearing. Both the Mark IV and V variants did not seem to provide translation capabilities for Covenant languages. From what I remember, John relied on Cortana to do this.

Were Thel and Rtas familiar with human languages?

[humble yacht]

yes

[gray vigil]

Theel vandam> all other elites and arbiters

[terse lava]

Eh I kinda liked the look of the ancient Arbiter who fought the Lekgolo

[gray vigil]

@terse lava I’m not referring to looks

I’m referring to strength n skill

Overall he’s the best theel vandaam

[gilded mason]

Rtas has displayed some amazing skill as well. Possibly better than Thel.

[gray vigil]

the only other elites that are said to come close to theel are rtuas and uzxe

[gilded mason]

Why not N'tho as well?

[gray vigil]

Don’t know but that’s what they said

Also cheemave was beast

[gilded mason]

Who's "they"?

[terse lava]

*Chavamee

Yeah, who is the "they" you refer too? Some YouTuber I assume?

[gray vigil]

The covenant and narrator said that

No

This was stated

[gilded mason]

Where.

[terse lava]

The San shyuum scribe @gilded mason

From the terminals

[gilded mason]

I think the San'Shyuum scribe only ever talked about Thel

[gray vigil]

Theel has been called the best in general a few times

[terse lava]

He did indeed compliment Thel, saying he was the youngest to achieve fleetmaster and Supreme commander

[gray vigil]

What was the one elites name who was the size a hunter and as strong as one

[terse lava]

Size of...Xytan Jar 'Wattinree?

[gray vigil]

Hold on let me check

Like I literally can’t rmeber

[gilded mason]

Though of course, nothing is known about his strength, only his height

[terse lava]

Indeed

[gray vigil]

Atriox is said to be the first to deft convenient and survive but in reality cheemave was

Defy

Cheemave only died after going back

[gilded mason]

So...he didn't survive

[gray vigil]

No he survived the attack and won

As we saw

[terse lava]

Fal 'Chavamee was not the first

[gilded mason]

Ussa Xellus was one of the big ones to defy and live

[unique rune]

"Cheemave" is probably funnier to me than it should be

[gray vigil]

lmao

but ye theel the goat

Hopefully he fights atriox

I want rhat fight

That

Do u guys think noble 6 is better than Fred?

[gilded mason]

No.

[gray vigil]

no to what

[gilded mason]

Fred is definitely the best Spartan

[gray vigil]

Okay good

Ye ovverall chief and Fred the best

The reason chief is ahead is cause of luck

[gilded mason]

Luck is just a nod at him being a "main character"

So he has plot armor

[gray vigil]

obv

@gilded mason u think we will fight atriox

Halo 6

[gilded mason]

Nope

[gray vigil]

Why not

[gilded mason]

It feels out of scope

[gray vigil]

U think arbiter will be involved in halo 6

With anything

Or u think it will just be chief

[terse lava]

Likely mostly just chief

[gilded mason]

I think Infinite will be a disappointment for me, story-wise

[terse lava]

I kinda expect the same as well. The want of it being a "soft reboot" i think may go against it

[versed helm]

With all that is said about Halo Infinite will there be at least be the original theme?

[gray vigil]

I guanrtee infinte will establish chief as the goat again

[gilded mason]

Gross.

[gray vigil]

As always

Halo 5 made it clear he wasn’t a Spartan he was

The Spartan

[gilded mason]

Gross

[gray vigil]

Wonder what he’s gonna do next

U think blue team will be in halo 6

[gilded mason]

Retire, hopefully.

And no idea

[gray vigil]

I want a atriox vs theel fight to see who indeed is the best warrior to ever come out the coveniant

Best brute vs best elite

[gilded mason]

Atriox is far from the best Brute

[gray vigil]

?

who do u think is better than him

[gilded mason]

Castor and Tartarus are better.

[gray vigil]

u think Tartarus better than atriox?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[gray vigil]

is their a reason

[gilded mason]

Nothing objective

[gray vigil]

We all know who beat tartarus the goat theel vandeem

Tartarus boss battle

Was anyyoing

Dude could go invincble

With his shield stuff

But u were able to one shot him if u hit him the head with ur energy sword right when shield went down

[terse lava]

Or any weapon really

[versed helm]

How's yapyap doing as of Halo 5?

[gilded mason]

Probably just daydreaming about being powerful

[half ravine]

Chief is stranded with the pilot, so prolly not.

[chilly marsh]

That would be nice to see a Spartan II reunion between Blue and Red team.

[shut dew]

Pilot's being set up to very obviously die

"I wanna go home and see my family"

[unique rune]

That... sounds like a bit of a reach to be making with the information we have thus far.

[shut dew]

Betting money that the death cutscene will involve Escharum bringing a gravity hammer down on his head, which quickly cuts to a view of Chief's reaction.

[half ravine]

I don’t think it’s that obvious. Him making his goals clear doesn’t really tell me he’s going to die.

Maybe throughout the game we will get foreshadowing of it if he’s going to die. But eh, I think that’s a bit of a reach.

[shut dew]

I mean... there's a reason Chief isn't paired up with Blue Team and why the Pilot is acting the way he is.
They're wanting to set up a relatable character so when he dies, it'll evoke a strong emotional response

Trying to win back fans by showing "Hey! Hey! We're capable of writing good stories"

But right now all I see the Pilot as a plot device and exposition dumping machine

[craggy sierra]

Ngl, I don’t see it

Halo has a tendancy to not give much personality to characters it wants to kill off

Like all of Noble team

[versed helm]

I got a question, how many planets are left in Halo with human population on them?

[gilded mason]

A guess a few dozen + however many got repopulated after the war

[versed helm]

someone said that Earth is last, Reach the second to last, and I start playing Reach and they talked about the colonies, so I found it weird that they talk about them still existing if they are destroyed

[gilded mason]

Back during the Bungie days, that was basically true.

But 343 added more okay colonies

[versed helm]

wait, but didn't Bungie made Halo Reach too?

[gilded mason]

In that case, Bungie changed their minds first

[versed helm]

I see, well it's better that way, to say Yeah there still are a few planets left but the most important ones are gone

however, thanks

[gilded mason]

👍

[terse lava]

Wouldn't be the first time Bungie changed their minds on lore

[fair hazel]

I like atriox more than tartarus

[terse lava]

Atriox wasn't really that great

Want from a hero, to a dumb ape villain

[versed helm]

A dumb ape villain who the covenant couldn't defeat and whooped three Spartan IIs singlehandedly

[gilded mason]

who the covenant couldn't defeat
It turned out Isabel really overexaggerated his feats. He was simply a raider that did hit and run operations on supply depots and the like. The reason that the Covenant never beat him was because he was basically the equivalent of a mosquito to them.

[versed helm]

Fair enough it was kinda silly seeing her talk about how the covenant during its height couldn't defeat him like saying ISIS couldn't be defeated by the US

[craggy sierra]

I don’t think the US was engaged with other massive wars eating most of their resources

Also it’s a lot easier to disappear in space

So while the covenant focused in humanity they did hit and runs against their back end supply lines and ghosted before they knew what the hell.

Aka they used tactics and scheming instead of just raw brute force

[versed helm]

He certainly excels at maintaining an artificial composure.

[stable flower]

The Banished are hyped up as this unique new enemy from nowhere when they're just another Covenant splinter group (two of which we've already fought).

[main hill]

They were definitely supposed to be a unique Mercenary faction but obviously the tone shifted for them

Don’t know how or why

Just happened

[humble yacht]

Even in HW2, they were effectively covenant 2.0

They’ve always been a splinter group. Their goals and motivations have simply been non-religious but that doesn’t really come through when you’re killing them

[versed helm]

Does that just make them a non-religious version of the Storm Covenant?

[terse lava]

Not really, as they(before SOR) didn't hate humans

[fair hazel]

There is no "storm covenant"

Also, essentially non special groups

[gilded mason]

Doesn't really matter.

Storm is a fine identifier for them

[fair hazel]

like prometheans or flood, we get

No it is not

[gilded mason]

Sure it is

[fair hazel]

get different combinations of alien like covenant

No and it's quite annoying people call them the definitely wrong thing

[gilded mason]

I love the Storm Covenant.

[fair hazel]

You love things that don't exist?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[terse lava]

Problem is, 343 never corrected that "title" they were given. Tbus "storm" stuck

[humble yacht]

It’s not 343’s job to correct every fan misnomer

[gilded mason]

(Also, they're all called storm in the game files.) =)

Either way, Storm Covenant are great.

[terse lava]

Well at least it gives something to Jul's guys

[humble yacht]

I do find it odd that elite aficionados such as yourselves would mistake the Storm elite role with the name for Jul’s Covenant

It’s kinda ironic

[terse lava]

Whoever said we mistake them?

[gilded mason]

No, I mean literally every single elite rank is prefixed with "Storm_" in the game files

And I'm not making a mistake, anyway. Yeah

[terse lava]

Simply said it gives them a "title" of sorts, otherwise, they have, what? Jul's faction?

[humble yacht]

Yes

officially they are Jul’s Covenant

[gilded mason]

I like how Storm sounds. So I call them that

[terse lava]

Shame they never got a better one.

[gilded mason]

And everyone knows what it signifies, anyway

[humble yacht]

That’s fine. But it’s a colloquialism and not their official title

[gilded mason]

We are all well-aware

[humble yacht]

When you try to argue that you are “right” when calling them Storm Covenant, your awareness is questionable

[gilded mason]

When you try to argue that you are “right” when calling them Storm Covenant
When did I ever do that?

[terse lava]

I think he was only saying he liked the unofficial title they are given

[gilded mason]

Yup

Your awareness of my awareness is questionable

[humble yacht]

You said you weren’t making a mistake

That’s the same thing as arguing your rightness

[gilded mason]

...Yeah. Because I always knew it wasn't their official title

So I wasn't making a mistake.

[humble yacht]

Then it’s an intentional error

[gilded mason]

I was only ever saying I liked the unofficial one

...An opinion like this isn't an error.

[humble yacht]

I think you just don’t like being wrong

[gilded mason]

I'm not exactly sure what is going on with your argument

I never said Storm was their official title. So I'm not sure why you're acting like I did?

[humble yacht]

There really isn’t an argument to have. They’re not Storm covenant. That’s it

[terse lava]

Come to think of it, find it kinda amusing how most of the other splinter groups had a title per say, the Banished, the Keepers, Servants of Abiding Truth. Yet Jul's Covenant doesn't get that

[gilded mason]

I know. I just like the unofficial name

[humble yacht]

Jul was trying to continue the covenant legacy

Albeit he was a liar

He preyed upon the religious zealotry of the hesduros elites

Keeping the name “covenant” probably helped with that

[terse lava]

Indeed, just a shame I say thy weren't given a title to really separate them, even with his goal of just trying to be the "Covenant"

[humble yacht]

Meh

Some of the other groups are not aptly named imo

[terse lava]

Guess more from a meta view, as people can think you talk of his guys when you mean the original covenant, or vice versa

[humble yacht]

I think the servants and the keepers should swap names

[terse lava]

Quite true

Hm..I could see that

[humble yacht]

But they’re all just dirty aliens to me at the end of the day

[gilded mason]

You should give them a bath, then