#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 467

mortal temple Mar 17, 2021, 11:09 PM

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he was playing halo 1

crude grotto Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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he was chillin with johnson and rtas

steep ether Mar 17, 2021, 11:49 PM

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oh that makes a little more sense

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still, no tank is that size

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even covey tanks

pulsar pivot Mar 17, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Fair point but I didnt know so I gave myslef the most logical thing of my knowledge of the time

steep ether Mar 17, 2021, 11:50 PM

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did you play halo 3 before ce?

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if not, just remember the scale of reasonable things 🙂

feral steppe Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Question is the reason sergeant Johnson wasn’t infected on the first halo ring because of his enhancements?

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 12:04 AM

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feral steppe Question is the reason sergeant Johnson wasn’t infected on the first halo ring b...

Because he was skilled enough to not get an infection form trying to dig into him

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 12:22 AM

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and something in his agmentations

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Nah

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 12:33 AM

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steep ether did you play halo 3 before ce?

I had a xbox 360 not a original

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Yes

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For me it went

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3, reach, 4, 5, 1, 2, odst

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I played 1 when I got the master cheif collection

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 12:56 AM

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oh, i meant og xbox 1 lol

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my bad

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Nah man it's all good

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 1:23 AM

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steep ether and something in his agmentations

That is not canon

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 2:13 AM

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How does the Vampire’s stasis cannon work? Why does it make a vortex, how does it drain a vehicle while replenishing its own functionality?

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 2:43 AM

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The normal stasis cannon simply uses an electromagnetic pulse to disable vehicles.

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The upgraded version that also drains energy may just be for gameplay.

fair hazel Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Some functionality would more than likely be gameplay.

woven hatch Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Fr

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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However, I could imagine something that drains power from an enemy vehicle and uses that to power nanomachines to repair the Vampire.

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But more likely it's just gameplay.

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Hello

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What’s the typical charge time for a Mac gun on a unsc ship

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I understand it’s going to vary

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Covenant war please

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@cedar surge @versed helm @main hill

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Assume you guys would know

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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gentle ridge Assume you guys would know

While powerful, these guns require long charge times, impacting their sustained firepower. A destroyer circa 2552 operating at half its usual power output required 50 minutes to charge up its two MACs to 100%, indicating it would normally take 25 minutes to charge both, or 12.5 minutes to charge one.[34]Captain Wallace and Catherine Halsey were able to hold a short conversation complete with emphasizing pauses in the time it took for the UNSC Commonwealth's MAC to charge up an additional 20% (from 30% to 50%).[35] However, the UNSC Majestic was able to fire four MAC rounds after its initial two, at what was implied to be full charge against a few Covenant cruisers, in around ten seconds

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If that helps

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Seen that

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Wikis are unreliable tho

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Halopedia is pretty reliable

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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In my experience wikis are sus

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25 minutes is wild

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Any idea what’s the most common figure

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Seems like it varies depending on the class

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 4:02 AM

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It depends on the class and what the ship the MAC is hooked up to.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Anybody know the calcs of UNSC infinity mac I heard the mac is able to one shot a covenant carrier

lilac gate Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Anyone wanna play Halo 1 Legendary. Beat it before but just got Halo MCC on PC

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Tell that in general

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This is for lore

lilac gate Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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They wont shut up in general. just arguments

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but okay homie, my bad Spartan

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:31 AM

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gentle ridge What’s the typical charge time for a Mac gun on a unsc ship

Sometimes it’s insanely high, like in the in-game cinematics. Best explanation is that there is a certain “warm-up” period which goes for longer

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At least for the standard Frigate seen prominently in Bungie’s Halo

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 4:34 AM

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lilac gate Anyone wanna play Halo 1 Legendary. Beat it before but just got Halo MCC on PC

#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:14 AM

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So do some elites just not like humans so they wont work with them

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Is that why in halo 4 and 5 we see them still try to kill you

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 5:15 AM

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that jul mdamas covenant splinter faction

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:15 AM

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As is the case with all sapient organisms, different people have different personalities

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:15 AM

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Fair point

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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but some do just dont like humans that much, even in the SoS

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Oni dont like elites much either

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I heard they poisoned some of their food supply in case of another human-covenant war

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Altered genetics

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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ONI wanted to use poisoned grain to kill all the sangheili and then recolonize the now empty worlds with humans

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ONI is completely off their rocker.

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Like, extremely

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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That seems really quite rude

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And insane

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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And also would backfire immediately

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Yeah

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They would notice quick

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They arent stupid

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I'd say they are smarter than some humans

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Common sense wise

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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The poisoning was a travesty

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Did they actually try

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Or should I say, Travissty

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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pulsar pivot Did they actually try

They developed it and tested it on Jul

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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On who?

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Jul 'Mdama?

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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OH

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Ok

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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AKA Ol' Julie

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Snap crackle pop

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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They decided to not go through with it only because they were worried the poisoned grain would contaminate the soil too much after humans took over the worlds.

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Bruh

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Frick Oni

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To a extent

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I would not ruin the relationship we have with another smart alien race

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I could see their worries of them attacking but still

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Wait how many planets do the Elites own

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Theres sanghelios

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Potentially several thousand

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Oh boy

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That's a lot

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I would take a guess of their total population be over a hundred billion if all of them had the relative same size of population

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I wonder if there's a baby boom for the UEG post-war

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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What's the ueg

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Unified Earth Government

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Oh

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So earth

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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No, every colony

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Basically united nation but more advanced I'm taking a guess

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Every colony (and Earth) that didn't go independent, at least

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Ok

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United colonies

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I could see a baby boom after the war

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Like after ww2 there was a baby boom

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Both are big wars

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Oh boy general chats going at it

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Anyway back to lore

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Do all cruisers have a glassing beam on them or only a select few

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 6:07 AM

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it could be inferred that any covenant vessel larger than a CCS-class battlecruiser has an energy projector of some sort

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 6:10 AM

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Mmm

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So cruiser and above

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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according to halopedia, RPV-class destroyers seem to be the smallest vessels with energy projectors

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RPV's are just about a thousand feet shorter than CCS class

pulsar pivot Mar 18, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Oh

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I see

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Halo ships are massive are covenant ships also self sufficient

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Do they use extra space for growing food and manufacturing

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Food is probably just stored in ration packs.

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I see some of the size of the carriers those things could house millions of covenant alone

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They must count as cities

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Like mini high charity

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 8:05 AM

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The UNSC Infinity has places for growing food and there's some Covenant ships dedicated to specifically growing food for the rest of the fleet it's attached to

modest dagger Mar 18, 2021, 10:37 AM

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Is chief sterile?

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Like ik Spartans dont have a shrex drive but are they sterilized just in case?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 10:43 AM

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Why wouldn’t you keep their genetic line going?

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@modest dagger

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It’ll sure be easier to indoctrinate and augment them the next time around

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The augmentations lowered their reproductive drives.

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Seems counterintuitive

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It was a side effect, Web.

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Oh, well then that’s fair enough

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Surprised Maria’s kids are allowed to live free lives

modest dagger Mar 18, 2021, 10:48 AM

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;-;

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So many big words that I dont understand.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 10:50 AM

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@modest dagger Spartan kids will be easier to make Spartans than beforehand

modest dagger Mar 18, 2021, 10:50 AM

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Perhaps.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 10:51 AM

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They’d already be very strong. John had perfect genes, his children would be beyond perfect if he had offspring with a female Spartan

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Yeah and you wouldn't want John to be districted by the thicc from Kelly

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I seriously doubt he’d have time to be

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Even if he was interested, lol

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Too much other stuff going on to get distracted

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In down time mate

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Spartans still gotta rest you know

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So then you condone them not removing the drive? 😂

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Maybe

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I personally wouldn’t. Lot of creativity could come from it, from their POV

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In that, it would affect their explorative nature

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:28 AM

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versed helm They’d already be very strong. John had perfect genes, his children would be bey...

Just because Chief is a Spartan-II, doesn't mean he has "perfect" genes. Plus, last I checked, there was nothing that Halsey or ONI planned in regards to having the IIs having kids that they'll turn into more Spartans

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:30 AM

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That was an essential part of their screening for surviving the augmentations. They need perfect or near-perfect genetics

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Just because it wasn’t planned, doesn’t suggest it’s a bad idea..

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From the original canon, I always took Halsey are more of a guinea pig for ONI’s desire for producing supersoldiers — hence the hypocrisy of then putting the blame all on Halsey once they were done with her

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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There was a specific gene-candidate pool that the program went after which gave them advantages over others, but that doesn't mean their genes are perfect. Nobody has perfect genes

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Well, very low percentile or sub-percentile of genes. I’d say they’re 99.9 percent better than average at the very least

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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That doesn't mean perfect

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:37 AM

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You’re really reaching with your objection, here

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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wh- what are 'perfect' genes?

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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It's a fact that there's no such thing as perfect genes. You can have ones that give you an advantage, yes, but that doesn't mean perfect genes exist

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Plus, one person's perfect genes is another's undesirable genes

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 11:42 AM

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I think there were certain biological requirements.

No idea where the 'perfect genes' thing comes from.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Why are you starting debates over things that are obvious to anyone. They’re perfect as in they are ideal for their criteria for the program. Get over it

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Aye, like I said before, there was a specific gene-candidate pool, but they never used the phrase "perfect genes" when looking for S-IIs

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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I’ve seen that key word used in wikis, thought why not carry it along for consistency. But it’s clearly somewhat hyperbole

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So in our world we got the technology now though in its infancy to change genes right now but since halo takes place hundreds of years from now it should be common place by then

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Imagine every baby born having the Spartan genes

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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versed helm Why are you starting debates over things that are obvious to anyone. They’re per...

There is nothing for me to "get over"

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Have you guys checked it

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It's really fascinating

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What have I stumbled across?

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I think they're talking about genetics

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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versed helm Why are you starting debates over things that are obvious to anyone. They’re per...

John had perfect genes, his children would be beyond perfect if he had offspring with a female Spartan

you have a funny way of phrasing 'perfect as in they are ideal for their criteria', lmao

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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carmine sleet There is nothing for me to "get over"

Was also at Caboose throwing his hands up in shock

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But anyway, it is funny how ONI blackmail their pets once they cut ties with them. Of course, once the Spartan program became public they would need someone specific to blame. Hide themselves

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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They kidnapped children, that's not a good look

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Heck, Halsey was more than happy to use children for experiments. You do see why that's wrong, right?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Some of the subjects didn't even survive.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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carmine sleet Heck, Halsey was more than happy to use children for experiments. You do see why...

Likely an offer she couldn’t refuse

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Halsey (voiceover): "Children's minds are more easily accepting of indoctrination, their bodies more adaptable to augmentation. The result was the ultimate soldier."
More like Halsey chose to use kids. Quote from Halo 4's prologue

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Probably just parroting what older brass had told her

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ONI wanted soldiers, they needed someone to make the technology from the resources they had. They hired Halsey to put it together

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Wasn’t even ONI at the time kinda like “yikes”

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They were suuuuuuper not cool with the cloned replacements

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Psuedo-yikes at the very most

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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versed helm Probably just parroting what older brass had told her

Why would she do that when she is imprisoned by ONI? She has no reason to try and defend them against themselves in that moment

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Like sure, the interrogator in that scene isn't ONI but at that point she didn't know

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Also the brass aren’t scientists

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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That too

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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halsey bad

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Halsey’s the scientist. ONI wasn’t like “eyo Halsey, we need you to experiment on kids for us”

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Probably to make her come to a point where she’d absorb all the blame for herself. ONI Interrogators wouldn’t be honorable gentlemen

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

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round comet halsey bad

All right, Faber.

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 AM

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They were like “Halsey we need super soldiers”
Halsey: “kids”
ONI: “what?”

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 AM

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Lol, that’s definitely not how it went down

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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It's an oversimplification because I doubt Waffle has time to type out the Fall of Reach

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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It was biologically rational to choose those candidates, despite being very immoral and unethical. These were trying times for humanity so they resorted to recruiting drastic measures.

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Nobody who works in the shadows to partake in projects that are innately inhumane, would be ethical

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Also Halsey’s journal

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:56 AM

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versed helm Nobody who works in the shadows to partake in projects that are innately inhuman...

Halsey has delusions of grandeur on her side.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Normal human beings wouldn’t make a “midnight facility”

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 11:57 AM

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that journal has so much scientific mumbo jumbo cone

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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versed helm It was biologically rational to choose those candidates, despite being very immo...

It kinda wasn’t though. Spartan project predated the covenant war. They were being made to fight rebelling farmers

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Interrogator: "Dr. Halsey, you're bending history for your favor and you know it. You developed the Spartans to crush human rebellion, not to fight the Covenant."

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Halsey says she did it to prevent inevitable civil war

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the covenant stormed in far before we could know whether she was right about that or not

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but.. i dont think she was?

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 PM

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It was a civil war the UNSC 100% caused

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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which is something they wouldn't ever admit postums

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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craggy sierra It kinda wasn’t though. Spartan project predated the covenant war. They were bei...

Oh, I completely overlooked that detail, lol. Yeah, ONI essentially used that as a convenient excuse.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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carmine sleet > Interrogator: "Dr. Halsey, you're bending history for your favor and you know ...

Gaslighting, I presume

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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She was literally lying about the program in the interview. The interrogator knew she was and wanted her to stop

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Halsey is half delusional and probably knew just outright saying in an interrogation “I viewed my horrific child experiments as humanity’s next necessary step of evolution” probably wouldn’t hold up well.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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“You developed this, you developed that”. She was not chief of staff when it came to funding or resources, it’s insane to think ONI would have any moral high ground here

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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They definitely didn’t

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But you also have to remember who came to run ONI in the interim of the war

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:06 PM

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The Mjolnir’s reactive circuits in tandem with the liquid crystal later gave each armor an absurdly high budget window. Halsey doesn’t have those kind of credits, obviously

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:07 PM

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Serin Osman. Notable spartan 2 flunkey who got crippled by Halsey’s experiments.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:08 PM

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..Written by an infamous novelist known to personally resent Halsey in a meta sense

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Sure, the canon may have an ONI bias. But it doesn’t mean it should

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:09 PM

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You can’t just delete canon

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Why am I now getting deja vu?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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I would have hate in my heart for Halsey as a Spartan-II, but only before I came to my senses and saw the puppet masters. I’m sure many Spartans feel the same way

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:11 PM

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carmine sleet Why am I now getting deja vu?

Seems like you noticed the pattern in Halo’s canonical holes

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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Or that I remember you trying to claim that something from 343i's era shouldn't be canon over an off hand comment from a Bungie dev

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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A similar swap was made to the Forerunners, yes. And I could say vice versa to that tenfold

round comet Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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i like halsey. one of the most interesting characters in during the whole insurrectionist-covenant chain of events IMO.

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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Again Halsey was leading the project. Everything she did was decided by her and signed off by begrudging higher ups. To say otherwise would not make her the leading expert on the project then.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:14 PM

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She leads the project in a similar way a director does for a movie. If her “handlers” say they’re not doing what she suggests, the responsibility is on them to point out what is unethcial. But I’m sure it’s worse than just “we let her”. They wanted her to. Forced her, even — then made her take the blame to cover their rears

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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She definitely was not forced to use kids

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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They don’t have the savviness to make Spartans on their own

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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You're now trying to change what was canon to fit what you are trying to argue

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:16 PM

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carmine sleet She definitely was not forced to use kids

When was that stated?

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 12:16 PM

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I’m at work but I’ll break out Halsey’s journal when I get home

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Until I find a book with Halsey being explicit with wording her choice for it, I’m assuming the decision is done by the people who have the kill switch for the entire program

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Again, an excerpt that can’t be interpreted

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Halsey (voiceover): "Children's minds are more easily accepting of indoctrination, their bodies more adaptable to augmentation. The result was the ultimate soldier."
Literally posted this earlier but I guess that isn't a good enough quote for you

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:19 PM

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It isn’t

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I’d like to see what Nylund has to say on it. Halo 4 made a lot of subtle changes I didn’t agree were the original vision in the story.. which makes holes when there are canonical parts in the sourced pathway

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

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limpid meadow It depends on the class and what the ship the MAC is hooked up to.

Well. You can differentiate between the classes

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

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versed helm Anybody know the calcs of UNSC infinity mac I heard the mac is able to one shot ...

9.8 teratons

gentle ridge Mar 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

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lilac gate They wont shut up in general. just arguments

Lol

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

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That's crazy

main dune Mar 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

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isn’t jun from halo reach alive?

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We never see him die

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Is Jun Asian?

main dune Mar 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Yup

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Ok cool

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Jun is alive, we don't know the details of how he got off Reach but he did and became a recruiter and trainer for the Spartan IV program

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:46 PM

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It's so weird because I see the concept art his Asian descent but I see the comic and his white

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And Jun is an Asian name

main hill Mar 18, 2021, 12:49 PM

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I always though he was tan in my opinion

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I honestly thought most of Noble team looked hispanic ngl

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Emilie was Hispanic

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Kat was Russian

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Jorge was Hungarian

main hill Mar 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Emile and Noble 6 were both definitely hispanic

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Noble 6 kinda sounded like he was a bit

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Noble 6 doesn't have a canon race

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Emile's Black

main hill Mar 18, 2021, 12:51 PM

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there are black hispanics

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:51 PM

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But he sounds hispanic

main hill Mar 18, 2021, 12:51 PM

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I'm white but both my parents are Cuban

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:53 PM

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versed helm It's so weird because I see the concept art his Asian descent but I see the comi...

I’d say he’s mixed. I know some people who have that look of his, they’re half Dutch, some lines from the Phillipines

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I suppose

main hill Mar 18, 2021, 12:54 PM

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I could see it

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 12:55 PM

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I’d say there would be quite a bit of mixed races in Halo not often seen today

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I think I can remember some characters who appeared entirely european, but had Chinese surnames

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Well if you think about after centuries of Earth being globalised most people have mixed descent

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it makes a lot of sense

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Also earth is under a single government

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So not much barriers for immigration

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Thought culture seems to still be prevalent hence the Hungarians in reach

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Not inherently a bad thing

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Yes

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..yes what

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I agree

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Lol

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Right

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The more I think about 800 inhabited worlds, the more ridiculous it is

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Unless “inhabited” is “we have a research station there” for 750+ of them

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Yeah

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Also population is too small I think

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Should be 50 billion

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I don’t know the numbers

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But even as a sphere, billions for one world is pretty chaotic

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Especially when trying to have any kind of relationship with multiple other colonies

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The population pre war was 39 billion

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Which is pretty low for 500 years into the future

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Not really we got 7 billion here and still lots of space

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You could fit everyone on earth the size of texas

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Physical density isn’t the point

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It’s about communication lines

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We’re in a strange period of time, it’s unwise to assume the future will simply scale that way. Perhaps it would, but we cannot be sure of it

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 1:47 PM

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versed helm Should be 50 billion

Also most settled planets are going to have a few generations of lower population turnover as they establish planeside resources

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You need to do landscaping, terraforming, establish farms and food supplies, build up local industry and infrastructure, etc etc.

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And there's only so much space tech can help with that.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Hence why I think 800 populated worlds is too much

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Does sound a little odd, when you consider the Sangheili, having discovered slipspace centuries before the War of Beginnings, only had 76 colonies. But willing to bet they developed each colony fully rather then just put a small population on like humans

humble yacht Mar 18, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Maybe sangheili don’t have a concept of manifest destiny like humans do

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Maybe they intentionally didn’t spread too much to be more in tune with nature or something

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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It's not 800 populated worlds, its 800 colonies which includes proper colonies like Reach or New Carthage down to space stations and asteroids and outposts.

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And I agree with Chimera. There could be any number of reasons the Sangheili didn't spread out as much as Humanity. They're a different species with different cultures and ideas.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 PM

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different species with different cultures and ideas like humans 😳 insurrectionists ftw

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Could be the other reason was due to many planets having forerunner relics in more habitable areas. They would need.tonfind different sites to set up the cony

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 PM

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I’m concerned about the worlds being homogenised too much in themes. People didn’t like Contact Harvest’s “17 Colonies” figure, but I believe that’s a good strong point in identifying the character types for each planet (beliefs, architecture styles, geology, topography etc)

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All new planets introduced have all seemed like more of the same (with a few exceptions, such as Cascade)

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Did people seriously dislike a particular figure?

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Ah?

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Well the 17 colonies figure

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It makes the covenant look seriously week

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Of all the elements to complain about, they chose a figure?

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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It takes the covenant 27 years to destroy 17 colonies

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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All right? Those colonies could have heavy defenses.

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Reach also had heavy defenses

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Which fell in a week in FoR

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 PM

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cedar surge It makes the covenant look seriously week

Destroying a planet every few years is weak? Lol

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The UNSC didn't anticipate for a large scale attack on Reach, right?

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It’s not like they just are able to teleport in front of a planet and go ham all the time

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 PM

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versed helm The UNSC didn't anticipate for a large scale attack on Reach, right?

Nu

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Higher echelons of ONI and/or FLEETCOM knew it was going to happen sooner or later

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:39 PM

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versed helm Destroying a planet every few years is weak? Lol

Destroying a few planets a week of 17 planets for 27 years?

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Cause I'm referring to the 17 number

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Not the 800

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 PM

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Section 3 I believe actually kinda wanted it to happen, such a large military presence at Reach would inevitably bring large covenant vessels that Operation RED FLAG would need to be executed.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 PM

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A few planets a week is a little ridiculous

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 PM

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It wouldn't always be planets as toa says

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It isn't 800 planets

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Its 800 planets,space stations,and mining places

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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versed helm A few planets a week is a little ridiculous

I would expect to see the minute colonies being destroyed within that time-frame, not planetary ones.

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:42 PM

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Some colonies were tiny

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One had lonly 4000 people

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Which goes for a lot of outer colonies

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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What was the population of the largest one?

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Iirc it was reach with 700 million

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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What about the second largest population?

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 PM

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I don't know

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There is a lot

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https://www.halopedia.org/Human_colonies

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Reach's collapse could just be used as an example of the importance behind organisation and structure, I suppose.

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 3:49 PM

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There isn't a lot of forewarning for a lot of covenant invasions

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Plus the unsc did know about the covenant on reach for a while

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The secret covenant force on reach which nobody noticed until the main covenant force of 200 came and destroyed reach

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 3:51 PM

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They were blinded by arrogance and confidence in the notion that the Covenant would never attack such a line of defense.

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Spartan Jorge-052 is even suspended in disbelief when Emile initially suggests the thought of it.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Reach was Jorge’s home. His disbelief was sentimental not “covenant dumb”

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 4:22 PM

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"Well... the big man was sentimental."

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:27 PM

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jagged stirrup Reach was Jorge’s home. His disbelief was sentimental not “covenant dumb”

I never implied that he thought lowly of their intelligence.

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postums

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:28 PM

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I was highly paraphrasing bro lol I’m saying he isn’t looking at it like “man why would they be here??” Hes like “dude my home Planet is going to burn”

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:28 PM

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No, you incorrectly simplified my messages.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Fair enough

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:30 PM

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On top of this, do you really think that personnel wouldn't share a similar mindset to Jorge?

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:31 PM

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To reiterate myself though, by July of 2552, ONI and FLEETCOM had begun discussing the inevitable discovery of Reach, eventually deciding that the loss of the planet was worth the successful launch of Red Flag from the planet

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And wym

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:31 PM

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A situation where a personal bias affects their tactical judgement.

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Colonel Holland sounded quite surprised by the outcome.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Well nobody wakes up and says to themselves “today’s the day the covenant are gonna show up”

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I’d be pretty surprised and scared in anyone’s shoes

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NOBLE team is pretty far removed from the commands that anticipated the fall of reach though

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:34 PM

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jagged stirrup Well nobody wakes up and says to themselves “today’s the day the covenant are go...

Well, that is exactly what certain soldiers believed on other planets, from what I remember, lol. They were waiting for the inevitable to occur.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Being that they were technically under Army command

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Only senior leaders in the Navy as far as we know were aware of Reach’s impending doom

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In fact, the Long Night of Solace was being targeted for Red Flag until SPECWARCOM blew it up

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:38 PM

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That is precisely my point about the entire matter, though. Reach's collapse was a result of its poor management and arrogance.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Whose arrogance

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Arrogance of personnel for believing that the Covenant wouldn't attempt to attack Reach.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Who knows mang

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There was definitely a sense that Reach was an impregnable stronghold that would be able to fend off attack but idk if Lance Corporal Schmuckatelli was telling his mom on FaceTime “nah we won’t ever see any action here don’t worry about me”

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 4:43 PM

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I personally think the opposite, yet here we are. You are also incorrectly simplifying my arguments again.

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 5:26 PM

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I don't recall any lore stating that they thought Reach could actually hold off a covenant attack

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Didn't Reach have SMACs?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 5:29 PM

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It did, 20 of them

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Then why did they resort to irregular warfare by sneaking a valuable slipspace bomb onto a Covenant corvette and sending it on a suicide run to a super carrier?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 5:32 PM

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It's one of Reach's inconsistencies, I suspect.

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They didn't anticipate for the drive requiring a manual override either.

stable flower Mar 18, 2021, 5:33 PM

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I would've thought humanity's military hub would have better defenses.

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Pretty much, in the book, the planet fell in mere hours, there was no multi-long month battle

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Speaking of the Sabre Program, did John receive training for it?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Currently, no, i don't think so. But his thing in thE old CE manuel did claim he was "trained in every human/covenant vehicle" so maybe?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Are we supposed to assume that Cortana informed John about how they are piloted in H4?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Eh I would assume he just learned at some point prior to reach falling

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 5:56 PM

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versed helm Are we supposed to assume that Cortana informed John about how they are piloted ...

the ships in H4 are broadswords, not sabres. also he would have been known how to fly the broadsword because they dated back to 2535

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in fact, im pretty sure they were at reach when she fell

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yeah, "while entire squadrons were deployed with YSS-1000 Sabres during the Fall of Reach."

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 6:00 PM

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My mistake. Thanks.

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 6:03 PM

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np

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 6:08 PM

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stable flower I would've thought humanity's military hub would have better defenses.

It also apparently never had nukes

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 6:19 PM

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What makes you say that?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 6:21 PM

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craggy sierra It also apparently never had nukes

Don't forget that the UNSC were employing tactics that predate the 1800s too.

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 8:04 PM

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terse lava What makes you say that?

That was literally the reason they resorted to the slip space bomb

cedar surge Mar 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I think the force you were with in tip of the spear was a diversion force

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Though yea its mostly just rule of cool

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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@craggy sierra wasn't that more so, all the nearby ships went down with their payload?

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 8:06 PM

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craggy sierra It also apparently never had nukes

Didn't Carter mention that all the nukes were either already used up or destroyed by the Covenant by the time of that level?

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Issue #1, assuming I remember Carter.

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Lieutenant Commander Kat-B320: "That thing's crushing us, and we're waiting for backup? They'll be backing up a graveyard."

Commander Carter-A259: "All our nukes are either out-system or went down with the ships that carried them. You're preaching to the converted."

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 8:09 PM

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I would say, at that point, they likely only had grouns-based nukes

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 8:11 PM

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And they couldn’t rig one of those to a timer for the same thing?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Had they tried, likely would have been zapped by the carrier

craggy sierra Mar 18, 2021, 8:12 PM

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We’re talking about doing the exact same plan, just with a nuke bomb instead of slip space

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 8:12 PM

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You could argue that might happen to the carriers of a different bomb, lol. You know, the ones who delivered a specific drive?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Nuke would have been less powerful in the void, and the Long Night was of similar size to a station whose shields could tank a small moon hitting it

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 8:16 PM

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What about a situation where the Ardent Prayer would be used to plant it internally on the Long Night of Solace?

steep ether Mar 18, 2021, 8:44 PM

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it wouldent be very different

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but the sabres would be shot off before it boarded

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and you would need to be designated or whatever

fair hazel Mar 18, 2021, 9:50 PM

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A nuke going on in a ship especially when the shields hold can be... devastagintg

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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You would be in for a beautiful display of fireworks.

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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This is a good point, I never thought of this before. Regarding placing a nuke aboard the Ardent Prayer. Rule of cool I suppose.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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How would you deceive Rho 'Barutomee, though?

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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@terse lava minor correction, Reach had 30 ODPs

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 10:05 PM

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@jagged stirrup ah, could have sworn 20, but it has been a long time since I read the book so thats fine

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Also referring to earlier, there’s some contrived explanation as to how the game and FoR make sense

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Too lazy to type it out on my phone but tldr, HURRRR ONI DID IT AGAIN

mortal temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:17 PM

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why do the brutes hate the elites so much?

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 10:23 PM

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becasue they see them as opposition to their role

half ravine Mar 18, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Because the brutes thought they were unworthy. Which is why the great schism happened.

versed helm Mar 18, 2021, 10:24 PM

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mortal temple why do the brutes hate the elites so much?

do they really like anyone?

mortal temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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the prophets

unique rune Mar 18, 2021, 10:32 PM

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I'm pretty sure the Sangheili didn't much like the San 'Shyuum either.

mortal temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:33 PM

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not realy

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neither did the san shyuum like the sangheili

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 10:34 PM

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It goes from individual to individual. Some san shyuum and Sangheili got along well. Others despised each other, only showing respect for the station of the other.

mortal temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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the three prophetes didnt realy like the elites

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i thinl

gilded mason Mar 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Mainly just Truth

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Regret liked them quite a bit

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He spent so much time around them that he even adopted some of their mannerisms

mortal temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:36 PM

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truth wasnt a real prophet in the end but rather a fanatic

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Well Contact Harvest showed he believed in the Journey, due to evidence, but wasn't a big zealot about it. He was also the first of the three to say, "if what the orcale says is true then all we have ever believed was a lie," compared to Regret, who thought the orcale had been tampered with

chilly shuttle Mar 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Truth was a charismatic zealot, as well as a cunning manipulator. How else could be have kept the Covenant together as long as he did without something like the Schism happening?

terse lava Mar 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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I'd say he more adopted that role, as he knew he had to lie to keep the Covenant together

shy hedge Mar 18, 2021, 11:29 PM

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The forklift is the best vehicle in halo reach, maybe even all of halo

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 PM

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jagged stirrup <@625870472042512424> minor correction, Reach had 30 ODPs

Reach had 20 ODPs

jagged stirrup Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 PM

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i must be ran through with an energy sword now

limpid meadow Mar 18, 2021, 11:59 PM

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Chapter 31, The Fall of Reach: one. "There were twenty Super MAC guns in orbit."

Just in case y'all want a direct source.

jagged stirrup Mar 19, 2021, 12:00 AM

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page 283 ;)

terse lava Mar 19, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Thought so

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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shy hedge The forklift is the best vehicle in halo reach, maybe even all of halo

Forklift >>>>>> the Halo rings

terse lava Mar 19, 2021, 1:49 AM

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......would the halos technically count as vehicles?

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 1:56 AM

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no

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:28 AM

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I feel like a Warthog armed with an automatic grenade launcher in the lore wouldn’t be a horrible idea

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:35 AM

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that would need to be alot of grenades

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also why would you need that if rocket hogs and gauss hogs exist

vague hollow Mar 19, 2021, 2:36 AM

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i dont think that would work out. It would fill a very niche role that other vehicles already have

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:37 AM

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the idea is kinda cool, just wouldent fit in well

vague hollow Mar 19, 2021, 2:37 AM

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On another note, the latest book makes guilty spark the most endearing character I love him

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:39 AM

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although not much of a spoiler, lets keep the new book in #485883236430512168 for now

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:39 AM

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steep ether also why would you need that if rocket hogs and gauss hogs exist

Well, the rocket hog is primarily for anti-air and the Gauss turret is for anti-vehicle. An automatic grenade launcher allow you to take out large groups of infantry and do good damage against light armored vehicles.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:40 AM

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gauss and normal warthog

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or tank

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Look at it from a practicality stand point, using a gauss-hog or a rocket hog against a single guy is like using a javelin missile to take out one guy,

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:41 AM

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true

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but if its only for on guy, then the normal hog fits that role

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Use the automatic grenade launcher and three shots would probably be enough to take out a few lances of covenant troops

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Rather than having to go each guy with a gauss turret or waiting for the rocket hog to reload after every barrage

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:43 AM

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one word...

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s c o r p i o n

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lore wise, it would need alot of range

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or else it will blow you up too

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Well let’s consider a similar weapon in real life like the MK-19, the Mark-19 has a range of 2,200 meters and unless your an idiot your not gonna be blowing stuff up right in your face like you wouldn’t blow stuff up in your face like the rocket hog

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And my answer to the scorpion is, if that‘a the solution than why not use scorpions for everything, well because it’s a slow moving tank.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:50 AM

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okay

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but

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if you want something that shoots explosives and at a target thats far you could use other things

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Btw just to make sure there isn’t any confusion I’m purely speaking about in the lore, if this existed in the games it would probs be broken.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:53 AM

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a nadehog would be unconventional

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:54 AM

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It definitely wouldn’t be unconventional though, you have a warthog with a machine gun the shoots grenades how could that not be conventional.

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I mean we’ve already seen automatic grenade launchers used on Falcons, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be mounted on warthogs in the lore

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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give me one good scenario where the hog would be more useful than what we already have

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Aight, there’s a squad behind cover, you have a gauss hog but you don’t know where they are so chances are your gonna miss them and with a rocket hog if you don’t get em all in the first barrage your done, what do you do? Light em up with a short burst of grenades not only will there explosive properties destroy the cover completely you could probably lob grenades over the enemies preventing the from running away.

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This is pretty much what automatic grenade launchers are used for in real life.

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Or hey, your defending a position, a bunch of covenant soldiers coming your way from idk, 600 meters, can’t really see em so you can’t use any of the other hogs, light em up with grenades

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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a gauss cannon is more accurate than a nade launcher

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Hell, your base is about to be overrun by a bunch of troops and your rocket hog takes too long to load so that’s not exactly the best answer, the gauss hog can only take em out one at a time and they are to spread out for a machine gun to effectively cut them down, light em up with the nade launcher

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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landmines

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air support

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auto sentry

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Your missing the point, Iim not saying that the nade launchers are more accurate, I’m saying with a gauss hog your only taking em out one at a time and you can’t see em so your probably gonna be taking pot shots so a grenade launcher machine gun would probs be better suited.

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Also that’s a lot of set up time and resources used for something that could easily be solved with just an automatic grenade launcher warthog.

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Why use anything at all when you can just call in an airstrike

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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so something with damage spread, range, cheapish, and not too op

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Yes.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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wave: snipers. 2. wave: landmines. 3. wave: rocket launchers. any more after that can be taken out by infantry

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also this is loosely based on what happened in SoR

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Again, so much resources used for something that could just be solved by a warthog with a grenade launcher

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Why use like 20 guys when you can just have 2 guys in a warthog minimum that can do the same thing as, if not, more effectively

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:12 AM

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if a run-down militia with barely any military training and resources from 12+ years ago can withstand a full-blown banished attack, than the unsc should be able to stop an invasion

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but, maybe, just maybe the hog might be usefull

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Aight I gotta sleep

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Gn

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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gn

gentle ridge Mar 19, 2021, 3:59 AM

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How long to power the infinity mac canon?

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:23 AM

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around 6-10 minutes

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i may be wrong tho

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I’m... pretty sure there isn’t an official stat for that.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:44 AM

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yeah

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but from cutscenes, trailers, and other media; we can assume that it doesn't take too long

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atleast compared to other ships

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 4:46 AM

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I wonder how the Banished managed to take down Infinity. It's been attacked like six times, by other Covenant remnants, insurrectionists, and Prometheans (who, on both occasions, worked alongside ol' Julie's Covenant).

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They've succeeded where others have failed

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 4:54 AM

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stable flower I wonder how the Banished managed to take down Infinity. It's been attacked like...

What makes you think Infinity was taken down?

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 4:55 AM

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gentle ridge How long to power the infinity mac canon?

There no real stats for it. It varies by MAC model, ship, and possible more. Lots of variables go into how long it can take.

gentle ridge Mar 19, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Specifically infinity

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But if you know any other ones

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Let a brotha know

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 4:57 AM

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The Halopedia page has a few stats (CTRL+F "minutes") https://www.halopedia.org/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon

Halopedia

Magnetic Accelerator Cannon

The Magnetic Accelerator Cannon (MAC), also known as the Mass Accelerator Cannon, is a weapon system employed by the United Nations Space Command on its warships and orbital defense platforms. Essentially large coilguns, MACs serve as the primary armament of UNSC Navy warships and weapon platforms.

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But nothing for Infinity

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 4:58 AM

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the best thing that can be done is estimate things with the places it shows but

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that's not striaght out source

hazy summit Mar 19, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Was Master cheif kidnapped at like.. 6 years old?

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:02 AM

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limpid meadow What makes you think *Infinity* was taken down?

The Infinite trailer and demo

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:03 AM

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hazy summit Was Master cheif kidnapped at like.. 6 years old?

Yup. To fight rebels.

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:03 AM

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It would be really stupid if Infinity is still around

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“Yeah, we crushed your forces.. except your hugeass flagship which is a thousand times better than anything else you have”

daring kiln Mar 19, 2021, 5:04 AM

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hazy summit Was Master cheif kidnapped at like.. 6 years old?

basicly

hazy summit Mar 19, 2021, 5:04 AM

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daring kiln Mar 19, 2021, 5:06 AM

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then he was genetically modified to die in order for a bunch of fat dudes to continue "peacefully" ruleing earth!

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so yeah

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very fun

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:09 AM

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It’d be awesome to have a Halo game pre-covenant war, where it’s like Metro x Battlefront where each open world environment is one of the 17 human colonies

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:09 AM

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To add insult to injury, he gets repurposed to fight an alien alliance

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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I heavily believe ONI was aware of Covenant and Forerunners long before they came

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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it wouldn't be dumb if infinity was around, infinity might have had to leave

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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They still got Eternity.

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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unfinished

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Then that makes them look like extreme cowards to abandon Master Chief like that

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 AM

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I wonder if there's gonna be a third one, named Serenity

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Did you read shadows of reach?

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Who are you talking to

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:11 AM

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You web

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:11 AM

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I allegedly read Shadows of Reach

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Blue team being left behind was a legitimate possibility.

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Eww, right

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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One John understood

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Well I think it’d be much better if it’s destroyed. It’s the narrative foundation of their dominance over the galaxy

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Having Lasky just leave John behind all the time makes me not like him much

sturdy monolith Mar 19, 2021, 5:13 AM

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If I wanted to read Point of Light, do I need to read any other books besides Smoke and Shadow and Renegades?

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:14 AM

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I dunno

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Forerunner Trilogy would probably useful for some additional context on Spark/Chakas but nothing else should really be “required” reading

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Just don’t play Halo 3, or it’ll all be meaningless

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Because then you realise Spark’s actually a hack

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The Pilot is surprisingly likeable, for a change

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 7:26 AM

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YES

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I got unmuted

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Anyway

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 7:54 AM

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How did we see regret alive and In the hands of grave mind in halo 2 yet we killed him

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 8:27 AM

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How much of Earth's fauna was saved by the Librarian and the Lifeworkers?

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 8:48 AM

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~~UNSC: United Nations Space command~~ UNSC: United nations security council

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I just busted my third artery

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@pulsar pivot flood gain all the memories of all the beings they infect including corpses

gentle ridge Mar 19, 2021, 9:25 AM

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So wait

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Infinity has already been taken out lol

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Good riddance

humble yacht Mar 19, 2021, 11:01 AM

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No

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Infinity has all the plot armour of chief

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 12:28 PM

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stable flower The Infinite trailer and demo

What about the trailers makes you think Infinity was destroyed?

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 12:35 PM

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versed helm “Yeah, we *crushed* your forces.. except your hugeass flagship which is a thousa...

I don't see why.

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Why did people hate Infinity so much? It's so weird...

carmine sleet Mar 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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My guess is it's something to do with the idea of humanity should always be on the back foot despite the fact that it makes logical sense for the UNSC to want to make something like Infinity, especially given the size of many Covenant ships, that they were losing more and more colonies and needed a backup if Earth fell and the fact that in the post war era, they would be able to focus more on making advancements like what are seen in the Infinity

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And maybe also a sprinkle of Bungie bias in there as well. That's what I see from most people who hate on Infinity as much as they do

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 1:04 PM

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The Infinity was really the only way the UNSC could possibly go when it comes to a ship upgrade

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 1:06 PM

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For all people harp on the ship for being "overpowered" or whatever the Infinity sure hasn't actually had a very good track record in fiction

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 1:07 PM

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I'd say its only lil bit more powerful than the CAS, and the UNSC only have one infinity

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and at the same time the Infinity is the only ship that can effectively go up against most covenant ships really

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its not OP for the UNSC in my opinion

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 1:09 PM

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Debuts by slamming into Requiem while partially disabled, goes back to Requiem only to get stuck to the planet with Forerunner gravity magic, torn a couple new holes at Oth Lodon, on the run after the Created uprising.

main hill Mar 19, 2021, 1:10 PM

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people who think the Infinity is OP probably don't see things in perspective

terse lava Mar 19, 2021, 1:40 PM

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The hate for it I'd say stems from the ironic idea that despite decades of war and massive population loss and infrastructure, the UEG was pretty much able to bounce back in only a few years. Meanwhile, the larger Covenant, who overall suffered very little losses, gets shattered like fine china.

humble yacht Mar 19, 2021, 2:16 PM

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An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That’s dead forever.

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Would a bubble shield function normally if you activated it in a moving vehicle?

humble yacht Mar 19, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Bubble shields have activated while falling

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They form full spheres but when they’re on ground we only see half of it

subtle depot Mar 19, 2021, 3:02 PM

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How did blue team get to Argent Moon at the beginning of Halo 5. They have a pelican but as far as I know it doesn’t have a slip space drive and there aren’t any other UNSC ships around. I guess infinity could have dropped them off but this is bothering me

limpid meadow Mar 19, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Infinity did drop them off.

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 3:47 PM

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humble yacht They form full spheres but when they’re on ground we only see half of it

I was mainly wondering if movement disrupts their fields.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:58 PM

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stable flower The Infinite trailer and demo

where in the trailers or demo does it get taken down?

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 3:58 PM

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versed helm I was mainly wondering if movement disrupts their fields.

no

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not much at least

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 4:06 PM

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where in the trailers or demo does it get taken down?
Nothing outright shows the Infinity being destroyed, there's just a brief scene in the campaign gameplay premiere that shows a bunch of IFF tags from the Infinity that read as deceased.

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So some people are taking that as the ship's been destroyed or some other thing has happened to it.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:39 PM

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where?

unique rune Mar 19, 2021, 4:41 PM

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...In the campaign gameplay premiere.
It's a short scene. Towards the end.

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:44 PM

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um... ill keep an eye out for that then

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 4:49 PM

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When the brute guy is giving his speech

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So how do lekgolo worms know where you are

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Do they have eyes 👁️

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:52 PM

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we don't really know

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like bats maybe?

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Echolocation

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I would say vibrations mabye

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Since they are normally underground

steep ether Mar 19, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Lekgolo are relatively unintelligent at the most basic level, but can form complex thoughts and emerge as a conscious individual when they combine into larger masses that communicate through chemical and electrical means. A colony's level of intelligence is generally dependent on the amount of neural mass present,

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https://www.halopedia.org/Lekgolo

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 5:34 PM

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The IFF thing implies Infinity was destroyed or at least taken over

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The wrecked ship we see in the demo after MC kills that group of Grunts looks to be of another class as it's too small to be Infinity

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 6:12 PM

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I refuse to believe they took down the infinity

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I'll say it was probably a punch of other pelicans from infinity

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But that would be unfortunate

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If so

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Lasky better be alive

gilded mason Mar 19, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Don't worry, all the important characters will escape Infinity's total destruction.

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I wouldn't hold my breath.

fair hazel Mar 19, 2021, 7:38 PM

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the IFFs dont imply that it wa destroyed or taken over.

stable flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I hope it isn't destroyed though. I don't want the UNSC to be more nerfed than they already are.

full citrus Mar 19, 2021, 8:19 PM

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How can colony talk in halo wars 2 if he’s a bunch of worms formed together

gilded mason Mar 19, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Voice modulator that converts vibrations to speech.

full citrus Mar 19, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Oh that’s cool

shut dew Mar 19, 2021, 8:22 PM

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stable flower I hope it isn't destroyed though. I don't want the UNSC to be more nerfed than t...

B-B-But status quo

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Humanity will be such an underdog that it'll be ridiculous

pulsar pivot Mar 19, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Ikr

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Actually I think just in that area that it will be worse earth will still be ok

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At least for now

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Spoiler Bomb

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||Master chief is a forerunner and he is the Iso-Didact also the inheritor of all the forerunners have left behind.||

versed helm Mar 19, 2021, 11:46 PM

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pulsar pivot Lasky better be alive

im very afraid that infinity went down in order to save master chief and took down a piece of the zeta halo, also Lasky has a good chance have sacrificed his self sadly.

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 12:12 AM

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I REFUSE TO BELIEVE LASKY IS DEAD

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Ha

frank harness Mar 20, 2021, 12:39 AM

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it s probably the spirit of fire too

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 12:58 AM

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I mean

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Humans lost

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it was said

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some people died for sure

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the question is who died

cobalt thunder Mar 20, 2021, 1:07 AM

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gilded mason Don't worry, all the important characters will escape Infinity's total destructi...

Oatmeal u say that now but cortana was an important character and she died anyways, they can do what they want with the halo universe

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 1:08 AM

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versed helm im very afraid that infinity went down in order to save master chief and took do...

Why would a ship housing 5000 crew members go down for chief?

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Especially when said ship was ready to bail on him if things went south in Shadows of Reach

stable flower Mar 20, 2021, 1:09 AM

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17,151 crew to be exact

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:09 AM

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because there something about chief that is revealed but I dont want to spoil

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:09 AM

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cobalt thunder Oatmeal u say that now but cortana was an important character and she died anywa...

For Cortana, she got a whole lotta scenes dedicated to her eventual death (and didn't """"""die"""""" anyway, so...)

And 343 knows Lasky is one of their most popular original characters, they know it'd be a pretty bad idea to toss him and leave with with less characters the audience sympathizes with.

stable flower Mar 20, 2021, 1:10 AM

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Same goes for Palmer

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:10 AM

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versed helm because there something about chief that is revealed but I dont want to spoil

You don't know anything about the game that we don't know.

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I didnt say you dont know anything about the game

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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I didn't say that either.

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I'm saying we have the same amount of info

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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all Im saying is that master chief is worth to even sacrifice the whole infinity

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Nah

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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No he’s not

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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if they care about humanity

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Shadows of Reach literally contradicts that

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:12 AM

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John would agree that everyone on Infinity is worth more than just him.

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:12 AM

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its not stuff that are in new books

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and its not a moral thing or about him being a supersoldier

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anyways good night because its late here

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:12 AM

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...Is this about that geas theory.

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 1:12 AM

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It’s you’re made up head canon that doesn’t exist?

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 1:13 AM

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Librarian is not made up

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gn.

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:13 AM

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lmao

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 1:14 AM

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I...I’m so confused

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What was any of that

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:14 AM

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I've no clue.

stable flower Mar 20, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Infinity had a handful of Swords Of Sanghelios personnel onboard so chances are we might see them

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 1:19 AM

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It would be nice. A bone to throw.

cedar surge Mar 20, 2021, 1:23 AM

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The infinity would have ditched blue team if they didn't do the mission in time

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 1:53 AM

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@gilded mason maybe they will have a little "save point" camp nearby

cobalt thunder Mar 20, 2021, 2:20 AM

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cobalt thunder Oatmeal u say that now but cortana was an important character and she died anywa...

I meant ostral but autocorrect ya know?

cobalt thunder Mar 20, 2021, 2:23 AM

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versed helm all Im saying is that master chief is worth to even sacrifice the whole infinity

Never kill an army of thousands for one man I know for a fact if the odds were against master chief 10,000 to 1 he would die if the infinities crew were against that 10,000 they may have a chance

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 4:21 AM

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You forgot one thing @cobalt thunder master chief got plot armour

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 4:56 AM

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Luck only goes so far

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 5:32 AM

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limpid meadow Why did people hate Infinity so much? It's so weird...

Bland; flawless. Not very interesting as a character

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Are there any recordings of a Flood Infected Forerunner?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 5:53 AM

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No

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 5:53 AM

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versed helm Bland; flawless. Not very interesting as a character

Infinity?

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 5:54 AM

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pulsar pivot No

But was it possible though?

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Why would they recorded a flood infected forerunner it only just make growls and moans

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:01 AM

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versed helm But was it possible though?

Why would they be worried if forerunners would be immune

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Let me rephrase that

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Oh

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my bad

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:06 AM

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If the forerunners were immune why would they be worried about being infected and build the rings

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Oh

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But what if they're immune to being infected yet still be able to be killed by the flood?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:12 AM

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They could

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Let's put it this way

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If a zombie tried to kill you yet your immune dk you think you could survive just because your immune

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Oh

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:16 AM

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The forerunnera, like all life, could be infected by the flood. There were attempts to make themselves immune to the Parasite, from using the composer, to certain types of harnesses to slow the infection process. All eventually failed.

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Did the composer make them immune

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:16 AM

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No

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Oh

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So it just made them more robotic

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Are Forerunners human-like?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Yes?

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Pretty close

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:17 AM

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The goal was for the mind of the infected individual to be taken out of their rotting body and put in a fresh new body. When this happened, the age came with them and infected the new body too

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Is the Didact human-like though?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Oh

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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He's a forerunner, so yes

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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versed helm Is the Didact human-like though?

Somewhat

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Forerunner

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Just a little less human-like than most Forerunners

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Plenty of forerunner images there

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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All forerunners are pretty close

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Can The Flood corrupt mechanical systems?

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Yes

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 AM

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And are Prometheans a machine?

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 AM

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More that sufficiently intelligent AI can be swayed by logic plague

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 AM

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They are organic minds.put into a machine body and whose will is dampened

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Which is a sort of computer virus that will bend the AI to the Floods will

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 AM

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So does that mean they can technically be infected by the Flood?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Everyone can

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Anything living and sentient

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Not...everyone technically

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Everything?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:21 AM

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versed helm Everything?

Not everthing

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They cant infect a rock

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Offensive Bias was able to resist, as his programming prevented him from thinking on the arguments the flood would use against him via the logic plague

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Mostly everyone is able to be infected

chilly shuttle Mar 20, 2021, 11:52 AM

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IIRC, only the Lek'golo are technically immune to Flood infection. Granted, they can still be used as biomass.

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Although, I would have to wonder if the Huragok are immune as well.

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 1:24 PM

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They are

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Lekgolo worms aren’t immune, they just aren’t suitable for making combat forms

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Engineers aren’t actually organic. They’re fake organic

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 2:36 PM

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what do moa burgers taste like? and what was their origin?

limpid meadow Mar 20, 2021, 2:39 PM

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versed helm Bland; flawless. Not very interesting as a character

What?

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 2:42 PM

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versed helm what do moa burgers taste like? and what was their origin?

Moa’s are indigenous to Reach but were exported all over UNSC space. They probably taste something like emu

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:38 PM

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That begs another question what do emus taste like?

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I'm gonna guess they taste like chicken because they're bird like

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:40 PM

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versed helm Bland; flawless. Not very interesting as a character

He said infinity. Not noble six or rookie.

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Also their largest number is on Ganick 22 I think that’s where wyjax exported them to before the fall of reach

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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@versed helm emu tastes like beef (apparently) thus the moa likely does too, seeing as there are.moa burgers

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Are cows extinct in Halo

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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No

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Then why do they eat Moa burgers?

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Hunt the truth season 2 even mentions them.

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... cows are not found everywhere for one.

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For two. More animals ...

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Like people also eat pig on earth. Why would they not eat a new animal if they found one?

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Well they could import cows

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Maybe they don’t have best time adapting or there’s other local stuff.

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People eat a lot of stuff you know?

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Fair enough

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:45 PM

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And they’re down to try new stuff.

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 3:45 PM

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It's just in our world were so squeamish about trying different meats

fair hazel Mar 20, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Maybe you. Not everyone

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 3:48 PM

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All depends on culture and diet, some will happily pop down bug grubs like popcorn, or eat horse, dog, cat, etc

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:10 PM

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What are Mac charge times

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The wiki has some numbers

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But does anyone know what the big mid covenant war ones are

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:11 PM

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I feel like this is the third or fourth time you've asked in the past few days and the answer is still going to more or less be "we don't really know".

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:12 PM

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I don’t even know you dude

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So thanks for nothing first of all

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Second of all

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Dudes come in and out all the time

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Look, there aren't any concrete numbers. If anyone knew about any, I'm sure they'd be listed on Halopedia.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:12 PM

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22 thousand people in here and some dude I don’t know is going to try to bust me up lol

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Teek moment

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I’ll ask again because dudes come in who might know.

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:14 PM

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You'll get rough guesswork at best because not even Warfleet covers those kinds of specifications.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:14 PM

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And it’s so funny because I’ve only asked twice for mid war and once for the infinity.

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So you failed even at that

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:14 PM

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So... third time.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Second

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But try again

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:15 PM

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gentle ridge But does anyone know what the big mid covenant war ones are

Duh eeenfeeniteee iz mid woar

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I guess you’ll just have to sob into your pillow when I do ask a third time - which I am going to

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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wat

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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So you can’t read either. That’s a shame

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Anyway

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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...Did I hit a nerve or something?

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I have halo books but only a handful and not in a digital format

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I'm not sure why you're acting so offended over this.

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I'm just saying there are literally no specs for MAC charge times.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Wait

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You can’t say

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Wtf

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What the heck bro

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And you’re wrong

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I’ll take an example in a book where it says a paris class takes 12 minutes to charge

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I want examples if possible

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Yeah I don't think any books ever even have those numbers.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:18 PM

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I have the books but it’s not digital. I can’t just control F everything

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Well you’re wrong lol

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Because we get numbers on mac speed and charge time in even fall of reach

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Calling someone wrong when you have no proof of being right?

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Pot meet kettle

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Teek

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I just cited my source bro

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Nice attempt

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P sure ghosts of onyx does too

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I cannot physically touch my copy atm

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I mean if you've got direct quotes to back up your claims I'm fully willing to accept that my assumptions were wrong.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I can in a few hours

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The wiki mentions a few examples. But I am interested in more. And my experience is that wikis are unreliable at best

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Wookiepedia for example cites a fanon rpg sourcebook

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:21 PM

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We’ll wait for you to post proof. In the meantime try being nicer to people

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:21 PM

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You came in here wrong too bro

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I am nice

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:21 PM

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...Wookieepedia?

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Yes

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At one point you could type in certain slurs and articles would show up

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:23 PM

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You're looking at a Star Wars wiki for stats relating to Halo tech...?

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Bruh

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Read it again

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I’m saying wikis are flawed

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They are not objective sources of information

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Oh that's the point you were making.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:23 PM

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And I have experience with wookiepedia where they will let a fan made sourcebook through the cracks

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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I thought you meant you were looking for MAC info on a Star Wars wiki for whatever reason.

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Nah lol

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I’m just saying I prefer a dude who knows the info by himself

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Halopedia is community run but it’s admins do their best to keep everything accurate

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Wook is the same

unique rune Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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I know wikis can be... less than ideal but Halopedia is generally one of the better curated ones so I feel less concerned about abhorrent inaccuracies.

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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So most of the time is a good enough source

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 4:24 PM

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And perhaps they’re more subject to failing

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But I don’t trust it

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Halopedia has several moderators who actively review adjustments to pages, as a method of countering vandalism, lol. I would argue that it is a very reliable source of information.

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 4:36 PM

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The heck is this mess?

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Something that escalated from something innocuous

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Would you prefer it if I deleted my message, Chimera?

humble yacht Mar 20, 2021, 4:40 PM

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No I was talking about the other guy

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 4:40 PM

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He was asking for MAC charge times at the mid point during the War? Does he mean the SMACs?

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Yes

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 5:12 PM

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humble yacht Something that escalated from something innocuous

It was a harmless question and I responded to hostility

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And it is over

gaunt oakBOT Mar 20, 2021, 5:12 PM

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gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 5:13 PM

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terse lava He was asking for MAC charge times at the mid point during the War? Does he mean...

I would appreciate this. Speed of gun, ammo capacity, charge time, yield, mass of weapon. Anything that you know about

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I will never be a halo expert, especially not ten years after leaving the franchise proper

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 5:23 PM

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@gentle ridge not my area of expertise, and the answer has not changed. No real concrete way to answer

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The wiki page on them would be best to use, as it uses sources from the various books

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Speaking of, @obsidian thistle, wasn't MAC stuff talked about just yesterday in HP?

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 6:10 PM

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What am I reading here? @terse lava

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Cause the MAC scenario is... well its complicated no matter what you go into

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Guy was curious on MAC stuff,

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Lets say the Halopedia page in this case needs a full rehaul. But the info isnt wrong.

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And then theres the TFoR scenario that causes a right headache lol

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Mhm

jolly furnace Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 PM

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So I wonder if ELites or anything wondered why certain Forerunner tech only operated for humans during the war. I assume some did but kept it private and/or made excuses for it

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Yeah, plenty wondered

jolly furnace Mar 20, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Cos like you think they'd object to bringing humans to activate their gods tech etc

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like HW with Anders

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Or the Ark itself with Johnson

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Too fanatical to care in some cases i guess

gilded mason Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Wish we could see more of their thought process regarding that bag o' worms, yeah

jolly furnace Mar 20, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Indeed

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I've seen fanfic delve into it

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 PM

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That said with not every human being able to use Forerunner tech. Its essentially luck of the draw.

jolly furnace Mar 20, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Yah but those who can are seen by elites and brutes use it

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or operate for them

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Regreat brought Anders specifically cos they couldn't activate ships on Shield World

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I imagine Ripa was too zealous to question why demons/enemies of their gods were able to use their gods tech

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Jiralhanae don't really care, as for the Sangheili, likely just depends on individual

jolly furnace Mar 20, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Hmmm

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Still I'd like to explore their POV over that whole thing

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during the war

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Same here

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 6:46 PM

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What book is set Inbetween 5 and infinite?

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Halo: Shadows of Reach.

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Point of Light is another one.

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 6:56 PM

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There is also Halo: Bad Blood

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And while not a book there is that investigation Apollo went on during Series 2 of the Loot Crate Data Drops.

See here: https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_Legendary_Crate/Data_Drops#Series_2_2

Halopedia

Data Drops

UNSC Data Drop is a collection of classified documents, all of which are owned by Spartan-IV 92738-61842-LC of Fireteam Apollo. These serve as the lore behind the Halo Legendary Crate, and are usually based around the theme of the crate it is in. The events behind Crate #4 regarding to the Mission to the Korinth Prior system are further expanded...

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Not gonna lie that last one seems more important knowing what we heard from that Halseys Journal audio clip we got.

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Speaking of novels, I never took the opportunity to read The Flood. Is it worth changing that?

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 7:05 PM

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I found it to be a fun read. Though you will be reading stuff you are very familiar with that a lotta folks struggle with.

Gameplay segments dont jive well with a lotta folks. But I personally dont mind it.

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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That probably won't bother me. Thanks!

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 PM

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There’s only so many ways a book can put a spin on “chief shot a grunt in the face”

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Best parts really were the "behind the scenes" stuff

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 9:01 PM

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craggy sierra There’s only so many ways a book can put a spin on “chief shot a grunt in the fa...

Is the book quite repetitive?

craggy sierra Mar 20, 2021, 9:02 PM

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It’s just the parts that follow the chief

versed helm Mar 20, 2021, 9:05 PM

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I imagine that happens rather frequently, yes?

terse lava Mar 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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So so, it doesn't.focus on chied as much as you think

shut dew Mar 20, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Chief shot a grunt in the face
The SPARTAN pumped lead in the alien's skull
Master Chief used his weapon on the cowardly infantry unit

out of energy, any more varients?

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Chief blasted a load of lead into the enemy

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As their face imploded because of the bullet that just went into its skull

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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obsidian thistle And then theres the TFoR scenario that causes a right headache lol

The continuity issues right?

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I don’t mind what either side says if there’s contradiction

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Though I’m unfamiliar with the issues. It’s been explained to me and I still forget

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As a kid that read for when he was nine, to go on to play reach expecting characters to appear who didn’t sucked

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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gentle ridge The continuity issues right?

More, a number that would be planet killing was used xD

gentle ridge Mar 20, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Which number lol

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@obsidian thistle

pulsar pivot Mar 20, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Oh boy

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This talks about things too advanced for my tiny brain

obsidian thistle Mar 21, 2021, 12:09 AM

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Well according to TFoR chapter 31. The Mark V Superheavy MACs found over Reach were capable of accelerating a 3,000 ton projectile to "point four-tenths" of lightspeed.

Which fyi in real life is insane. And well later media dont support it much.

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We source it on the wiki. But we are skeptical its still fact.

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@gentle ridge

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Oh that

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It’s actually not that insane

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I do remember thinking it was epic as a kid but couldn’t remember the figure

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Wait

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0.4/10?

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That’s 51 gigatons

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Pretty epic

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That’s actually about 1900x less than what killed the dinosaurs

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I get they may conveniently have forgotten it. Which honestly is cringe on later media’s part. Continuity issues are lame

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 12:30 AM

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versed helm Speaking of novels, I never took the opportunity to read The Flood. Is it worth ...

I loved it. My friend was telling me he hated it and read it recently tho. I can’t qualify it much personally, I haven’t read in over a decade

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I got the republic commando books and two halo ones on the same day when I was nine.

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Very awesome

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Oh I swore again

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Smh

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Point four tenths would be four hundredths the speed of light

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Which would be 4%

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Ye

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Also

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Man this book is awesome. I forgot how good it was. Nylund the hero. I think this is why I loved space combat so much

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Also this book says a supermac takes five seconds to charge

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Or reload

obsidian thistle Mar 21, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Depends on the smac

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Not all are created equal

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 1:01 AM

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It seems like the ones on reach are all capable at least

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Didn’t think I’d ever read this book again but I might

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I really don’t like post 3 era. Are there any halo books with space combat this good?

obsidian thistle Mar 21, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Evolutions has a great Cole Story in it thats highly regarded

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 AM

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limpid meadow What?

Literally every objection I get is someone who pretends to be clueless. Why can’t you make a counterpoint about how it’s at least somewhat enticing, from a narrative perspective?

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How does it marry well with the other elements? What parts of the story does it expand on, why?

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And that doesn’t mean “well it answers this plot hole and that”. I mean, why is it good for the story?

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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I hate the infinity so much

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So so much

pulsar pivot Mar 21, 2021, 2:00 AM

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What was Infinity

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Was it a book

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It was a book

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Infinity is a ship

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 AM

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Infinity is the ship

pulsar pivot Mar 21, 2021, 2:09 AM

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So they hate the ship infinity

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Not fond of it myself either

stable flower Mar 21, 2021, 3:02 AM

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People don't like the UNSC being on top

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With the Created dominating the galaxy, they're in an even lower underdog position than they ever were during the Covenant War, even with Infinity.

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Not really

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The created present a threat to humanity’s freedom, whereas the covenant presented a threat to their survival

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By the end of the HCW, humanity was down to earth as the last stronghold

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:07 AM

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The idea of the UEG rebounding so fast and building up as if they haven't been at war for decades. Is what irrates me

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:08 AM

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~If only Halo 4 was decades later~

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 3:08 AM

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I think Ado’s just mad that the infinity can crash through a covenant cruiser like no big deal uny

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The infinity was in development during the war, they didn’t just build it in the 4 years after

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:28 AM

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humble yacht By the end of the HCW, humanity was down to earth as the last stronghold

I always felt the books suggested some other ones remained

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But yeah basically

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terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Not at all Chimera, I am fine with that event.

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:29 AM

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All of a sudden the unsc is so powerful the infinity can probably out reactor its entire mid war military at the same time lol

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:29 AM

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I don't like that scene mainly because I really just think it looks silly.

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Wheras I don’t recall covenant worlds taking significant losses

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Infinity doesn’t look any sillier than the autumn

fair hazel Mar 21, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Infinity looks great to me. There were 3 renders? that came from halo 5 portfolio I THINK recently

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:30 AM

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humble yacht Infinity doesn’t look any sillier than the autumn

The scene, not the ship's visuals itself.

humble yacht Mar 21, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Oh

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Isn’t the infinity shielded too

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Yeah

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Well it was an advanced ship, facing down. Covenant police cutters and 1000+ year old ships

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:31 AM

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And they were apparently working on it the entire war

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Hate

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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What's the Huragok again?

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Will ways take a CAS over the infinity

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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terse lava Well it was an advanced ship, facing down. Covenant police cutters and 1000+ ye...

Though it's still a relatively large ship, even when compared to Infinity. Like a pickup truck smashing cleanly through a smaller car on the road without getting a single dent. So it just feels off, even with shielding.

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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I am very far behind the lore

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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I didn’t even consider how it’s 5km long lol

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I don’t mind it’s design

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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The artfical pink floating jellyfish like aliens@versed helm

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Ohhh the Engineer things

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Wait are they called engineers?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Yeah

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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@gilded mason eh the RCS barley has shields, so I can sort of hand wave it

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Human nickname

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Like grunt

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Yep

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Ohh

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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I think we actually first saw them in the fall of reach book

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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terse lava <@260910412080480256> eh the RCS barley has shields, so I can sort of hand wave...

But still, many tons of nanolamite metal

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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What's the Human nickname for Lek'golo though?

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Hunter

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Oh

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Like the individual worms?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Yeah

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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No

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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What is it called then?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Oh, you mean Hunter for individual worms? Then no

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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gilded mason Oh, you mean Hunter for individual worms? Then no

Individual worms

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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They probably don’t have a name

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Just...worms i guess

gilded mason Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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No human nickname for single eels

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Because I imagine the only time they saw them was the full thing

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Nothing really official

versed helm Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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I'll just call them "Long Beans"

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Um..ok?

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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It was so weird being a halo fan that read the books before halo 3 came out

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I had such high expectations for 3/reach

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Oh maybe we will see other Spartans

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Oh maybe we will see engineers in halo 3

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Linda surely will appear in halo reach

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Lol

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:37 AM

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I still remember being amazed at finally seeing a Jiralhanae flood combat form

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Unironically thinking we would see spartan threes in 3 lol

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By the way. Reach is a continuity issue in that respect right?

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Spartan 3s shouldn’t be shielded iirc

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And they shouldn’t be on reach?

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Depends on the armor

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Normally they had SPI armor

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Did we see them shielded in ghosts

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Thought it was just spi

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:39 AM

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The ones in reach did not ha e that

fair hazel Mar 21, 2021, 3:39 AM

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SPI is not shielded, MJOLNIR is. Noble wears MJOLNIR

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:39 AM

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And I only vaguely recall some dude taking a jackal shield in the line of fire

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Yes. But my question is, is noble a continuity issue

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Why do they suddenly have armour

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:40 AM

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The ones in Ghost of Onyx.did wear the armor typical of an SIII

gentle ridge Mar 21, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Shielded armour*

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Someone only recently pointed out that halo wars has Spartans with shields before they get it in the books. I have no idea if this is true tho

terse lava Mar 21, 2021, 3:41 AM

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They have armor because bungie wanted them too. It was their last game, and I dont think they really cares too much about the lore in the books