#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 465

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Because he secretly loves pink

cedar surge Mar 11, 2021, 2:45 PM

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he is a fan of the banished

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 2:45 PM

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that green is reserved for allies

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Well give it to an ally I don’t care

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Slap it on

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Green is my favourite colour. How unfortunate.

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Make the elites from the prologue do that thing where they walk into the garage, walk out a new colour

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They simply entered a Spray and Pay shop in Africa.

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Yes exactly

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Do you think a naked elite could survive going through those spinning slappy car washes

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And not have their bones crunched and their skin flayed

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I don’t know if that really happens

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 2:51 PM

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It would hurt

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Not sure if you’d be crunched though

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Lol, maybe he gets caught in the hydraullics

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 2:52 PM

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That would definitely be a crunch then

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:52 PM

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He slipped on an afghan, and fell down a flight of stairs

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He’s dead

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 2:54 PM

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arbiter 🎢

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:54 PM

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HAHAHAHA

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That killed me

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Lmao

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Oh god

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I punched my leg

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 2:55 PM

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He is slightly dead

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Oh, man..

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Elite skulls are tough, though

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Not Brown bear-level, but very close

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:56 PM

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versed helm Do you think a naked elite could survive going through those spinning slappy car...

Please don't feed me with these types of thoughts.

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Lmao

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Why not

cedar surge Mar 11, 2021, 2:56 PM

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thinkingchief

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:56 PM

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They don’t have any exposed bits

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Nature gave them class

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Oh yeah I forgot Henry was naked the whole time in that one book

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0_0

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Next to his frightened prison “friend” inmate, yeah that’s not suspicious

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He even gave him a name. A human name

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Henry. Was that his deceased brother’s name or something

chilly marsh Mar 11, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Isn’t The new book about Sgt. Forges daughter or something?

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Nope

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Yep

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Yeah

chilly marsh Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Ok.

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Rion Forge

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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It does feature Forge's daughter.

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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She is the secondary main character

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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There are other characters, and the novel doesn't completely focus on Rion, from what I understand.

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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deuteragonist

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Yeah

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Chimera, don’t make up words

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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There’s also a guy named Max or something

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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:\

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read a thesaurus

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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humble yacht deuteragonist

~~Sergeant Johnson?~~

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I already know about dinosaurs though

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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He can’t because he wasn’t born in the precambrian era

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Iron you’re tommy gun fast

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:01 PM

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;)

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Eye-ron

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Iron Mike

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You keep reminding me of the modifier, Iron. I always mentally hear the announcer's voice when I read your username.

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“I flirt with dinosaurs, you should too” ~Chimera

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:03 PM

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versed helm You keep reminding me of the modifier, Iron. I always mentally hear the announce...

I will send you back to the beginning

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Thanks.

queen abyss Mar 11, 2021, 3:03 PM

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(Iron and dinosaur reference)

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:03 PM

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That reminds me of that Halo Infinite joke

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8 textures at full speed, something something high environment mapping

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~~Jega is secretly wearing a modified Xbox Series X as a helmet.~~

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It looks like something you would strap on a dummy for a high-collision crash test

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I have just noticed that his prosthetic limb is very short.

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No

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Don’t do this

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No

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Excuse me?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Jega's prosthetic arm is probably the same length as his regular arm

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:17 PM

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I cannot

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 3:17 PM

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because it's bent the perspective makes it look shorter, that's all

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Thank god

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I will never sleep if I see that it’s short

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Sleep

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:21 PM

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😴

young mortar Mar 11, 2021, 3:22 PM

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😴

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 3:23 PM

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main hill Sleep

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sand kestrel Mar 11, 2021, 3:32 PM

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😴

vivid pelican Mar 11, 2021, 4:46 PM

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CSGOChief 💤

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half ravine Mar 11, 2021, 4:54 PM

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I’ve never seen such a long link.

vivid pelican Mar 11, 2021, 5:11 PM

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half ravine I’ve never seen such a long link.

now you have

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 5:21 PM

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sleepy grunt

vivid pelican Mar 11, 2021, 5:21 PM

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helmet 💤

last raft Mar 11, 2021, 5:39 PM

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tf

cobalt thunder Mar 11, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Hellooo

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How r u guys doing today?

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I’m playing rn, any of u wanna play?

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Mcc

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Allow me to address the elephant in the sandtrap

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I hope that you don't tread on a Scorpion.

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I’ll try to look out for Wart gets in the way

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Hog

steep ether Mar 11, 2021, 7:17 PM

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#general-chat or #lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams

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keep this channel for lore only please

ocean ibex Mar 11, 2021, 7:35 PM

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So question about the domain, it’s said to contain around 100 billion years worth of knowledge, does that mean the precursors themselves are 100 billion years old or is the universe in halo much older than ours?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Are you sure it was 100 billion?

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Also the domain used to contain a vast amount of knowledge but we don’t know how much of that info it retained after the halos merced it

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I hope the charge rifle in halo lore is like the Tesla rifle from district 9

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Just makes people pop like a balloon

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Thanks for creating that mental image.

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 8:09 PM

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That would make the weapon feel like a brute weapon

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Shock rifle*

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Not charge rifle

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 8:11 PM

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versed helm Thanks for creating that mental image.

Np

cedar surge Mar 11, 2021, 8:12 PM

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is the banished intelligent enough for that though

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Wouldn’t surprised me if they were

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I feel like something like that wouldn’t be that terribly advanced in the Halo world

cedar surge Mar 11, 2021, 8:12 PM

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seeing as how HW2 went

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 8:14 PM

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I don’t see why not

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Agains something like that makes me think it wouldn’t be that advanced for the halo universe

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Apparently something like it is already being developed by militaries

cobalt thunder Mar 11, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Ohhh I got an idea for how the unsc could overcome the covenants infantry

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Make robotic super troops

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I’m pretty sure it’s in their capabilities even in call of duty they can, they made Ethan

viscid bluff Mar 11, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Or they could just keep using Spartans

steep ether Mar 11, 2021, 8:52 PM

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the unsc has both

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well the SoF has both at least

cedar surge Mar 11, 2021, 9:25 PM

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cobalt thunder Ohhh I got an idea for how the unsc could overcome the covenants infantry

Is that really a good idea? Since cortana has shown that AI can rebel against the unsc?

pulsar pivot Mar 11, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Rebel robo

steep ether Mar 11, 2021, 10:32 PM

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oh you meant ai

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yeah that would not be very good

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 11:28 PM

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what happened to the focus rifle after Reach? Was it not used anymore because of how bad it was?

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Well in game, yeah it was that

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There’s nothing to imply whether or not it’s still used.

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Actually on Halopedia it says it’s still used in post HCW war conflicts

gilded mason Mar 11, 2021, 11:35 PM

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Funnily enough, lore implies it's actually really powerful

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 11:35 PM

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yeah

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It should be able to evaporate all the water in your body almost instantaneously according to Installation 00

gilded mason Mar 11, 2021, 11:36 PM

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And it's an example of the Covenant improving upon Forerunner technology.

main hill Mar 11, 2021, 11:37 PM

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I’m sure the thing could probably cut people in half

versed helm Mar 11, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Do you think that it could slice through metal? thinkingchief

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"Pass me the focus knife, please."

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:04 AM

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I mean, wouldn’t surprise me.

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 12:09 AM

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Yet in game it sucks

hidden blade Mar 12, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Can Covenant track transmissions? Like if a base on Reach requested support from Earth, could the Covenant track it to Earth?

gilded mason Mar 12, 2021, 12:22 AM

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Yeah

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Think I remember situations like that being discussed

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:28 AM

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Technically sentinel beams and focus rifles should be able to melt to metal

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 12:43 AM

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not sure if its been fully detailed what type of directed energy sentinel beams are comprised of

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don't think its plasma

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:44 AM

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I think it’s fair to assume though that it has to the same or a higher temperature

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 12:46 AM

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probably. but we'll never see that in a game

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if a novelization of Halo 3 ever comes out, I'm sure Johnson's armor would be doneso

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:55 AM

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Oh yea

void oar Mar 12, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Any lore on what happened to the warden eternal after h5?

gilded mason Mar 12, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Nope

cobalt thunder Mar 12, 2021, 2:21 AM

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steep ether oh you meant ai

If not ai it could be remote controlled robot army

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And why’s cortona always naked?

steep ether Mar 12, 2021, 2:26 AM

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because a bra would be weird

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I’m pretty sure that after halo 5, the warden was seen attacking some UNSC colony/installation

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Ah it was a ship

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The UNSC sentry of el morro

cobalt thunder Mar 12, 2021, 2:31 AM

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steep ether because a bra would be weird

Or they could just have clothing although no complaints on my end

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Actually I looked that up and it said it’s because Cortana wants to keep the peoples attention on her and for them to keep their guard up

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Whatever that’s supposed to mean

steep ether Mar 12, 2021, 2:33 AM

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where'd u find that?

cobalt thunder Mar 12, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Idk safari on my phone it’s what people say one of the developers said

steep ether Mar 12, 2021, 2:48 AM

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huh

stable flower Mar 12, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Didact's ship reminds me so much of Shelcoof from Panzer Dragoon

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 2:50 AM

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It reminds me of a metapod

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 4:15 AM

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this is something I've thought of since I got back into Halo- realistically, there is absolutely no way that Humanity should be on any other Halo ring besides Installation 04 due to its proximity to Epsilon Eridani, and Installation 05 because the Covenant led us to it. But human controlled space only extends to maximum 100 LYA. Like the size of the milky way, it's theoretically impossible that somehow humans have managed to travel that far

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 4:17 AM

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unless they got coordinates that told them where to go

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 4:17 AM

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pretty sure slipspace technology isn't just "point on map and go"

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doesn't it have to be charted in a ways

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 4:19 AM

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not necessarily

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they got to I04 via coordinates

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and called it a blind jump

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 4:19 AM

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true

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still though, human slipspace travel takes a long time

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 4:20 AM

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it's gotten better, I'm sure

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 4:22 AM

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"better" is a severe understatement

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but it's a videogame and i'm not lookiing to argue

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who cares

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Logic hurts the brain

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I'm saying it now the prophet of regret boss fight was not satisfying

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I would have much rather stuck a grenade to him

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Or slash him with a energy sword

edgy apex Mar 12, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Ok but it was though

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Better than cough cough Jul m'dama

edgy apex Mar 12, 2021, 5:27 AM

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I like to pretend I’m Mike Tyson

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F in the chat for Jul

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I like to pretend I'm gonna get charged for beating a man to death

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Manslaughter

edgy apex Mar 12, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Haha

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Which I did do

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I still would rather have a little thing where it said

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"Press f to plant a grenade"

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Press Lt for you to put down a grenade

edgy apex Mar 12, 2021, 5:31 AM

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You can actually stick him with a grenade if you throw as you board his chair

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Speed runners do it to kill him faster

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Tf I can kill him with a grenade

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I still wanna stick him but that will do

stable flower Mar 12, 2021, 5:59 AM

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I'd rather they let you bust a cap in him

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Contact Harvest gives clear evidence of Human forerunners by Mendicant Bias, and it’s still canon

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:25 AM

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no

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Mendicant Bias in Contact Harvest identified Reclaimers

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there is a distinction

gilded mason Mar 12, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Devil's advocate:
"Those it represents are my makers."

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:27 AM

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yea well all that talk about the ambiguity of whether Forerunners were originally meant to be ancient humans was answered even before Greg bear

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it's not the first time a forerunner construct mistook a reclaimer for a forerunner

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(that we were exposed to)

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:35 AM

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It really looks like there was a disagreement between the choice. The two ex-Bungie staff at 343 both worked with eachother on everything about non-human forerunners, which most of Bungie like Staten disagreed with (even after their published work)

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And besides, Covenant fighting their own gods is a lot more of a touching irony IMO

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So I have to agree with Staten.. who is now head of creative. Hm

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I wonder how that’ll play out in the future

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The Domain is an ambiguous character.. Given that in CE, it was clear that only humans could interface with the Ring, it would be an interesting twist to see someone like Faber actually be a human (such as in a sarcophagus of his skeleton)

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That would also be an interesting way of highlighting the difference in Forerunner art design for H4 vs H3/I. The Didact’s Prometheans were a mutative descendant of humans, while the original “Builders” were like what Bungie pictured

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 6:41 AM

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And thanks to Chloe Bear, 343 guilty spark is Chakas!

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:41 AM

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I’m indifferent on that choice

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I suppose it was interesting when I first heard it, so sure

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It’s strange to see the CE concept art of Spark, how different he was. He had the same vessel as the Sentinel pattern

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And was much more robotic

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:43 AM

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Who is Chloe bear

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Did Greg get ideas from his daughter or something?

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Joe’s position as director is a managerial position

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Greg Bear’s daughter

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:44 AM

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And also temporary

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:44 AM

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I doubt they’ll just cut him off

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:44 AM

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He’s not writing new fiction for them at this time

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Well, writing what happens in the story is one thing, showing the skeleton for where to follow it from is another. Creative is in that ballpark, at least for Campaign

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:48 AM

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It’s not about cutting him off. Statens actual position is creative director of all MS Studios

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That’s not something you give up to join a single studio

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:51 AM

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I seriously doubt he wants to pass along to another project. It’s weird how much he even had to move around to show his stripes anyway. people like him and Eric Nylund have wanted to return to Halo by now for years

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Some Bungie staff aren’t even allowed to come back, which is very odd

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:53 AM

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If they’re Bungie staff then that’s not surprising since they’re a different company

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The announcement for Joe’s involvement even says he’s joining the team “for a bit”. It’s not intended to be permanent

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:55 AM

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I took that as for a bit of the overall dev length for the game

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As for the Lore.. Yeah. I still would like a retcon which brings sense to Forerunners being humans. They can have both worlds, Requiem being that of the mutated, no-longer-human-but-related species, the Array being made by humans that look a lot more like the ones today

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I liked the MMOs take of them looking like Disney Atlanteans, blue eyes; white hair

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 6:57 AM

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I would not like that

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Maybe back before Greg Bear’s novels, that would have been ok. But we’re already rooted in the species being separate. Going back on that now would just be unnecessarily confusing

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Well, It’s worth the attempt. They took away a lot emotionally charming elements to the overall Halo plot, which stood out from other franchises

If they could do it once, they can rewrite them again — this time the best of both worlds. I don’t want them to go all the way back, but there has to be a way

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Halo’s future will have holes without it

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Covenant wiping out the children their own gods, again, way too ironic and genius to put away. Humans being the only species able to use the Control Center, again has a lot of elements to it

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:01 AM

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And the separation of the species can even be seen in H3 terminals

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Especially under the context of how it questions our, the player’s, humanity. With it being just... Geas, it makes a huge split

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:01 AM

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So it’s not like Greg bear pulled that out of his rear

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:02 AM

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humble yacht And the separation of the species can even be seen in H3 terminals

Something I already brought up with the internal struggle. Funny how those were all written by the same people — Frank and Sketch. Nobody else seemed to condone the idea

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versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Iris and its following comic also did, which were again by Frank

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I mean, from a meta perspective, it is very odd how the only person who was leaning in that direction got all the control once the others ended their contracts

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Well, him and Sketch

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Seems a little dis-genuous to what was being played out. Now the entire canon has to be swayed by one guy’s opinion? :/

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It still has scarred emotional beats, of which I enjoyed to think about during my early playthroughs

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One argument I’ve seen is how the Original was too “chosen one” like, which is actually moreso with there being Geas

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And belittling the rest of humanity while doing it

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:17 AM

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im probably late but i thought up until i saw Halo Legends, that forerunners were Human.

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It's the impression I got from the games.

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Halo Legends made them out like humans as well, to me

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Legends never showed them out of armor

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:19 AM

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I’m angered by how Frank even says in the dev commentary how Forerunners are a matured society beyond ego and war, then contradicts it very soon after

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:19 AM

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I think the way Cortana narrates Origins Part II clearly makes it certain they are another species

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could be wrong though

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:19 AM

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I don’t remember that

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Well origins in general

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:19 AM

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When I saw their eyelining through the visor i took it as symbolising “that’s a human”

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At least when I was that age

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Chloe bear is a halo fan and the daughter of greg bear, it was her idea for bornstellar to have a human sidekick, and who'd be 343 guilty spark

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Be the time legends came out, it was already internally established they were separate. So not surprising that legends would lean into that

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You’re late ericky. Someone beat you to the punch

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:20 AM

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and she co-wrote

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oh no that mispell

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She co-wrote Rebirth

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Halo has gone the way of Star Wars in that all that need not to be explained, has now been explained

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things that shouldn't be explained.

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:21 AM

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But Chimera, it wasn’t established by everyone. Contact Harvest again, was written around the same time those discussions would have been made

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:21 AM

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fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:21 AM

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jagged stirrup things that *shouldn't* be explained.

no?

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:22 AM

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The whole thing behind the forerunners was their mysteriousness.

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:22 AM

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You can explain things and remain mysterious, though. They didn’t pull it off, but you could

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:23 AM

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It's the same thing that's happening to the Alien series, producers are making ridiculous explanations and backstories for the very mysterious that capture our imaginations in the first place

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whatever i digress i guess i'm a 343 hater

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:23 AM

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A mystery for the sake of mystery is shallow

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:23 AM

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It wasn’t for the sake of mystery though

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Reading the forerunner stuff is.. well experiencing those whole sagas is definitely a unique feel

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something that puts you definitely in a bigger-than-life? or makes you feel so tiny in a way

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i'm not sure how to explain that feeling

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:24 AM

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On the contrary

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:24 AM

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especially when being lead by this direction and purpose

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:24 AM

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i can feel tiny by looking at articles on astrophysics

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:25 AM

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Something I ask myself about the story is “what is this making me feel?” The original forerunners, it was a symbolic lens of how beautiful we could become, in the vessel of a parental-feeling role “higher” than where the player could see the world.

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The new games make it out like being a human is a sickness, that their intuitive sense of controlling Forerunner tech is a curse, or deviant from other humans

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I don’t want chief to feel like that to me

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:26 AM

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How does that make one feel like it's a sickness? whre does that even come from? bieng a curse?

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i dont think i got that for the forerunners

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Different people feel different things from stories

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Still, on being a sickness?

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:27 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:27 AM

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i'm not sure how. It's more of a destiny

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humanity's destiny, path

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Geas is “curse” in Scottish... Frank’s lineage.

It just whittles down their sense of evolution by turning them into egomaniacs, eric

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:28 AM

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humans are pushed to do things, but they certainly have their agency on how to do them

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:28 AM

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He feels how he feels. Doesn’t make it the right interpretation, just an interpretation

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:28 AM

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in talking about halsey

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I wish they'd develop musa more

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:28 AM

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I’m pretty confident that 343 isn’t going to reverse course on this particular matter

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:29 AM

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fair hazel in talking about halsey

That’s another story, but one that’s.. Amusing

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:29 AM

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also scottish wise, geas

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it's definition also talks about gift

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not simply curse

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:29 AM

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humble yacht I’m pretty confident that 343 isn’t going to reverse course on this particular m...

Given the attempt to return to Legacy Halo in both narrative, plot choices (Chief being a blend between 3 and 4), and aesthetics, I can imagine the change happening

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Hopefully it doesn’t 😄

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:31 AM

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And why’s that

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All you seem to say is that you don’t think they could pull it off

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Eric I talked about Denning’s contemplarium before

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:32 AM

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versed helm And why’s that

Because I don’t like the idea

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:32 AM

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That chapter felt a lot more aligned with the original attempt for Forerunners

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:33 AM

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humble yacht Because I don’t like the idea

Then what’s the smile about

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:34 AM

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The smile is because your idea probably won’t come to fruition

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 7:36 AM

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why is this server always so butthurt

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:37 AM

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Disagreements aren’t being butthurt

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:37 AM

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Getting pleasure from someone’s displeasure isn’t something I can relate to

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But it gives perspective on why you would disgree

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:38 AM

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If I want something to happen and you want the opposite to happen

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Why should I be happy if what you want happens?

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:41 AM

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That’s a very 2D way of seeing it

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Good can come out of.. Frank’s choice, but not from taking other stuff away. Unlike the antisprinters or something, both parties can still exist

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:43 AM

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Look, I don’t have to like your ideas, and you don’t have to like mine

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It’s not that big of a deal that I disagree with you

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:43 AM

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Well don’t go out of your way to get pleasure from not liking another’s

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:43 AM

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It’s the internet

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Not a good excuse

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Don’t take an emoji so seriously

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Or do

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Chimera doing that stuff affects more than just me

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Nothing we say here is going to affect the story of halo. We don’t have that sort of influence

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It’s gonna go where it’s gonna go

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Well, so far it’s helped me understand what exactly made me like Halo to start with

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:46 AM

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Great

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:46 AM

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Why so glum

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:46 AM

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You seem more glum than me

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:47 AM

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Well, what exactly makes you want to feel hostile

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 7:48 AM

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What you’re calling hostile, I call irreverent humor

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:49 AM

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Hell, I’d love to find out why others enjoy the Reclaimer theme. That’s why I ask, so I can see the full picture for how the actual forerunners are most fitting toward

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Since you can’t entirely backtrack

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:50 AM

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humble yacht What you’re calling hostile, I call irreverent humor

It’s uncomfortable, picking up on a sense of passive aggressiveness

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:50 AM

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halo, and the forerunners, can definitely bring me to this place... it's hard to describe it... it's like this grandness, this immensity of purpose and life and knowledge and awe

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Go on

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Where does that come from?

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:51 AM

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I like this image too in relation to that

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versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Yeah I agree, I get that feeling too from it

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But somewhere along the way of Playing 4, it just went away. I started feeling like things felt.. off

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When the trailers and eye candy were coming out, I didn’t get the time to bask in the full thing, so I saw more of what you’re describing

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I just lost that familiar sense to what I was looking at, and how I co-created with it

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Mission 2 was the first and only time it showed itself.. somewhat, anyway

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:55 AM

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You get to know things more intimately. That at the heart of this grandness there are there great figures with incredible influence and power. A power that does not simply mean I am strong, but in terms of influence and how it ripples and affects the universe. A power that lasts over a hundred thousand years and where the tips of the roots that have been left to dry still hold influence

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The feeling of the librarian in particular is the most grand. She is, so big but makes in a way herself small sometimes.

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While still having this grandeur

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Hm. Good analogy

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Her omnipresence but her personal touch

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:56 AM

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..Which I felt was rocked by having them more human in terms of the egoic nature

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:56 AM

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The way she comes like a mother, close. Small. Towards us.

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Arrogance of the forerunners

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:57 AM

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I didn’t see them as arrogant in my imagination

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Due to their complacence. The life workers probably the least

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Oh but there is much that cannot simply be gleaned so easily.

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But yet they’ve built these lasting monuments that withstand so much.

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Not@simply utilitarian

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It comes with a tasteful of pride and pride which can lead to arrogance

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But their civilization did fall after all

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The forerunners did not die out. But their civilization did

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Of course something not known

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Lifeworkers shouldn’t be the only inquisitive ones IMO. The Builders should too, at the very least.. The Ring felt like a powerful tool; both selfless and with extreme level of care and responsibility for what they were doing. Not supermacy and order

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 7:59 AM

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But ruins do not tell all the story

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 7:59 AM

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The Warriors being a deviant-mutation is the only way I see it fully integrating what the Legacy put in place

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:00 AM

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fair hazel But ruins do not tell all the story

Hopefully not.. but they had a charming leniency to what tale they shared. One where the Covenant seemed so beautifully hypocritical

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Pardon the ping

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 8:02 AM

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The charm is definitely not gone. But like many things they appear oh so well on the surface and mivjt have good intentions but things rarely are so perfect. And the covenant was definitely a perversion to ideals the forerunners had

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:05 AM

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That lesser prophet who questioned whether the covenant should have assumed the mantle instead of chasing transcendence

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That was a good moment

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:07 AM

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But then comes the Flood as a spanner thrown in. They cannot have their purview on others and the Galaxy be so muddled and hope to survive an entity which is all of that tenfold. The only way they could have attempted a saving grave was a pure heart.. something beyond what species like Flood could perceive

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Again, in my opinion, Covenant being another version of Forerunners isn’t as.. Romantic?

fair hazel Mar 12, 2021, 8:08 AM

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So you’re issue comes with the forerunners being less than perfect and not as godly in reality?

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:08 AM

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I’m glad the forerunners weren’t perfect

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That was the great thing. We as the player knew they messed up, and yet the covenant were going around worshipping them as gods

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Yes, because it deviates from the layering Halo originally had. It also affects what you described of finding the size of the universe feeling more expanded

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:10 AM

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humble yacht I’m glad the forerunners weren’t perfect

Imperfect in different ways than ego. They were not all-powerful, but their hearts were true

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Gods are boring. It’s when things are fallible that they’re interesting

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Gods are not inherently boring. Not everything has to have a grayscale, especially when the main enemt isn’t gray

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The story is showing how one becomes pure of heart through a mask of more confused people like Master Chief

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That’s how their roles were contrasted

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Almost alchemical in nature

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Gods are interesting when they can be wrong or do things that aren’t so “godly”

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:13 AM

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But why would they do those things?

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Greek mythology is some of the best storytelling because the gods were often terrible people and that led to all sorts of shenanigans

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Imagine if Zeus remained faithful to hera instead of cheating on her. You’d have no stories, pretty much

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Well, Halo isn’t Warhammer. It shouldn’t flirt with that idea of everything being flawed and doomed for war

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:14 AM

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War hammer doesn’t own flaws or doom

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:15 AM

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But that.. point of view, is much more fitting for games as dark as it. Halo has dark elements, but it paints an overall picture beyond it

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Besides, this is getting back into what one person like vs another. Which makes it pointless to talk about

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As Vision told Ultron, a thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts. There is grace in failings

young mortar Mar 12, 2021, 8:29 AM

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Well said Chimera

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Hi

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 9:07 AM

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humble yacht War hammer doesn’t own flaws or doom

There are flaws in the Warhammer universe, lol. You merely need to look at the designs of technology and culture.

boreal bane Mar 12, 2021, 11:21 AM

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@sage imp No, stop asking

sage imp Mar 12, 2021, 11:21 AM

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Oh ok

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:18 PM

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I feel like the spike grenade could be modifie into a trip mine if the put a laser in the handle and remove the timed detonation so you could lay it as a trap and once they walk through the laser, bam dead

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Do you think that a bubble shield could slice someone in half?

waxen zinc Mar 12, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Probably

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It never stops coming up

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Yeah I’m thinking it probably could

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 12:56 PM

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The bubble shield seems to leave no effect on certain objects, though.

honest trout Mar 12, 2021, 1:48 PM

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And yet grenades still bounce off for some reason...

cedar surge Mar 12, 2021, 1:51 PM

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cause its a projectile

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Things fast enough will be reflected off the bubble shield

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 2:04 PM

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honest trout And yet grenades still bounce off for some reason...

That’s actually Kelly

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 2:05 PM

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versed helm Do you think that a bubble shield could slice someone in half?

I wasn’t going to sleep anyway

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 2:13 PM

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versed helm I wasn’t going to sleep anyway

postums

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 2:19 PM

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You know what the bubble shields remind me of

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Senator Armstrong from metal gear rising because he got nano machines that work like this "The Harder you Puch the Harder they Get"

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 2:48 PM

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lol

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I am curious to know how bubble shields make exceptions for what can bypass their barriers.

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Space magic

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Maybe a bulit-in program in the base that the shield forms out from...

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I have 0 clue.

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 2:58 PM

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You activate drops shields by touching the ground with your hands

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And then they sit there with no power source

main hill Mar 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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in halo 3 you throw thinga majig on the floor and thats the powersource.

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yeah im talking about the halo 3 thing

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 3:02 PM

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The device seems to radiate some form of field around it.

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Can they be recharged?

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Uhhh,I'm not sure lol,I'll try and google it.

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 3:07 PM

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don't the bubble shield generators blow up when they're done?

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Yeah

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I found th on the halo wiki,after 20 seconds the bubble fails,and the generator blows

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Does that canonically occur, though?

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It... could, but that seems a little dangerous lol

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I wonder if the shield could be implemented into the Mjolnir itself

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As in, like the drop shield, deployed on a whim

paper aurora Mar 12, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Hmm,that would be cool.

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Or maybe even remotely deployed, like it forms with a flick of the wrist

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Pretty simple way to show off Mjolnir capabilities, forerunner technology blending, and iconic gameplay features all at once lol

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Wouldn't that feature effectively be a mobile version of armour lock?

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No

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Think of it like an exotic gun that makes energy fields when you point it somewhere

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But there’s no gun

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The gun is Mjolnir

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I doubt that would be a balanced weapon to counter against, lol.

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Well it’s like a 30 second cooldown after deploying it lol

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Which is much longer than most MP encounters to be useful

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At least for spamming

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This concept is beginning to sound like the invincibility device from Halo 3.

steep ether Mar 12, 2021, 4:34 PM

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so its a drop shield gun, just a shoot shield?

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Theoretically speaking, it's an over-shield.

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Undershield when

paper coyote Mar 12, 2021, 5:26 PM

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halo halo halo i love halo

steep ether Mar 12, 2021, 5:33 PM

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nice song

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Speaking of Halo's music, Martin seemed have this fixation on Under Cover of Night, lol. There is an absurd amount of remixes for the track.

jagged stirrup Mar 12, 2021, 6:02 PM

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it is good track

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 6:03 PM

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I am fond of the track so I never opposed it.

honest trout Mar 12, 2021, 7:15 PM

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versed helm That’s actually Kelly

i know that. i just like both

mortal temple Mar 12, 2021, 7:36 PM

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whats halo odst about?

gilded mason Mar 12, 2021, 7:36 PM

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ODSTs

mortal temple Mar 12, 2021, 7:36 PM

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ok

versed helm Mar 12, 2021, 8:24 PM

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What a twist.

pulsar pivot Mar 12, 2021, 9:33 PM

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versed helm Pretty simple way to show off Mjolnir capabilities, forerunner technology blendi...

They've done that in reach

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With spartan 3 armor there is a drop shield ability

gloomy bison Mar 12, 2021, 10:09 PM

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I need to confirm something: Does Halo Infinite take place after Halo 5?

humble yacht Mar 12, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Yes

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Do all graveminds look the same

humble yacht Mar 13, 2021, 12:20 AM

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No

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Everybody gangsta till a gravemind be lookin like David from subway

half ravine Mar 13, 2021, 12:30 AM

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👀

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 1:19 AM

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Oh no

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:27 AM

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@pulsar pivot I liked the drop shield

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Mhm

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Are flood juggernauts canon?

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Yes

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Awsome

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Yea

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:38 AM

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I want to see them in a later halo release

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 2:47 AM

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We do see them in Fireteam Raven

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:48 AM

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I mean a main series

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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The Abomination is an evolution of the Juggernaut and that was seen in Halo Wars 2

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 3:00 AM

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I know

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 4:49 AM

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What is the Winter Contingency

cedar surge Mar 13, 2021, 4:49 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/WINTER_CONTINGENCY_(protocol)

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Oh yeah

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 6:04 AM

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So it varies depending on planet I'm guessing

jovial haven Mar 13, 2021, 8:39 AM

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I just finished the Halo trilogy (+ Reach) for the first time and I have some lore I want clarified:

At the end of Halo 3, was Installation 04-B fully activated or did its incomplete state (according to 343 GS they would need 3-4 days for it to be perfect) make the attempted activation lead to a massive explosion destroying the Halo and the Ark?
If 04-B was properly activated then why didn't it kill Chief? In CE, the Monitor confirms that the Halo rings were all designed to eliminate the Flood's food- i.e. any sentient lifeform of sufficient biomass- but not the Flood themselves so Master Chief, a sentient lifeform with sufficient biomass for Flood assimilation, and any other qualifying lifeforms within the area of the Halo's pulse?
Did Truth, Mercy or Regret not actually believe in The Great Journey? 343 GS says to Sesa Refumee that the Prophets may have originally been aware of the true nature of the Halos but decided to use the artifacts found on them to control the Covenant's members through religion
Did Gravemind survive the initial use of the Halos because he was deep underground like the other Flood on Installation 04-A?
When and where is the lineage of humans from forerunners explained?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 8:54 AM

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The latter. It wasn’t ready to fire, hence the energy couldn’t channel properly and it self-detonated

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This had been played around with by other writers, but generally it’s seen that they were merely making it all up as a means of control. Maybe some sense of truth, who knows

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Beings in containment are implied to have been shielded from the effects

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That’s a heated topic, but the idea of them being non-humans came from Frank O’Connor and Brian Jarrard in online ARGs and from novels like Cryptum. Others like Joseph Staten disagreed in that idea, and he likely still does

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Most of the art team from Bungie agreed on humans and Forerunners being the same thing, hence the irony of the Covenant killing humanity in the name of them. This was also the reason for humans being needed to activate the rings

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@jovial haven

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Other than Sergeant Johnson, Miranda Keyes and John-117, were there any other individuals who survived throughout the Battle of Installation 05?

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I think Sergeant Banks did

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And Stacker

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The lore surrounding Sergeant Stacker is inconsistent so I dismissed him.

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Lol

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Well sergeant Banks

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That’s about it

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I’ve noticed how most people who go on rings die

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Wow.. that is actually the case with all Bungie Halos

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Whenever the go anywhere

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Halo 3, Forward Unto Dawn. Only survivor was Arbiter

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Rtas actually accommodated the remaining UNSC forces before making a departure.

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Oh right

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Whatever then

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Lol

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I say that Stacker's lore is inconsistent, because the majority of his appearances conflict with each other.

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For example, he appears in Another Day At The Beach (wearing an ODST BDU), but John meets him at Hotel Zanzibar.

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I just assume the Beach stacker was most accurate

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 9:34 AM

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I think the most logical methods of solving this problem are to either confirm that we encountered someone else, or establish that Stacker has multiple siblings, lol.

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 9:56 AM

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Oh that would be awesome

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Meet the Stackers

jovial haven Mar 13, 2021, 9:57 AM

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How exactly did the marines release the Flood in CE?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:02 AM

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The covenant did, originally

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Then they locked it down quickly, which the unsc then opened again

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postums

jovial haven Mar 13, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Ahhh, I see

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Still, shows the Forerunners weren’t very clever

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If that’s all it took for the universe’s greatest threat to be let out of containment

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:12 AM

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jovial haven Still, shows the Forerunners weren’t very clever

The ring was completely open, too. Honestly the Forerunners were just naturally so inquisitive by nature; that was easily explained by their sense of higher purpose

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Essentially, if someone managed to unlock it, there was a reason for it on a higher level

jovial haven Mar 13, 2021, 10:12 AM

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Another question: where do we actually learn about the Forerunners?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:13 AM

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Some book trilogy

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Apparently

jovial haven Mar 13, 2021, 10:13 AM

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I've played Reach, 1, 2 and 3 and read/watched a lot of terminals yet I feel like I still barely understand the Forerunners and their connection with humanity

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Honestly, not very impressed with Halo's storytelling

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:13 AM

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Lmao

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Fair enough

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All right then.

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Bungie never intended to focus on the Forerunners. They focused on the secondary effects of their actions instead.

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:15 AM

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jovial haven Another question: where do we actually learn about the Forerunners?

The Forerunner Trilogy of novels, Cryptum, Primordium and SIlentium

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Halo’s story wasn’t great for being poetic or just a masterfully quaint display of cinema like Scarface or something @jovial haven

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With what Slip said, but don’t expect it to make any sense from what you just played through

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He has been muted, lol.

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Also, and this seems to be more something in media in general in regards to how people react to it, don't expect everything to be explained

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Like, there is no need for them to explain everything about the Forerunners in Combat Evolved. It would have taken away from the mystery of who they are

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:18 AM

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But conversely, you can’t just make it an empty vessel of no idea

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Having exposition being constantly delivered to you would be quite dull as well.

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Yeah it’s not a math test

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Aye, you need something to hook people into wanting to know more to keep people invested for the future

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Mm. There are indirect ways of finding out more about who they are, too. Just look at their adversary, the Flood

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Polar opposite to them

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:20 AM

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Aye, and the fact that the Halos had to be constructed to defeat the Flood says loads and asks plenty of question about how powerful both the Forerunners and the Flood were at the height of their conflict

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Obviously now we have answers these days but that's because we have things like the Forerunner trilogy

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:23 AM

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I still think the Trilogy didn’t do justice for a lot of stuff. The Master Builder was nothing like I was imagining the creator of the rings being

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:23 AM

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That's fair, you can't please everyone when giving answers for things like that

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:24 AM

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They made him like, what’s that big headed woman that decapitates everyone in Hansel and Grettal or whatever

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Alice in Wonderland

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Queen of Hearts?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Yeah! You make that guy the face of who is responsible for the saving grace against the worst parasite in the cosmos

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I didn’t buy it

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Sometimes the worst possible leader ends up in power

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:26 AM

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That would’ve made more sense if just, everything went to hell instead of them succeeding in holding the flood back

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:26 AM

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If it weren't for real world events leading to that happening in countries (And that's all I'm going to say regarding real world stuff), I'd be inclined to agree with you

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Well, my mind always pictured the Master Builder as this incredibly wise, selfless, space Jesus

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I wish that I could be equally as optimistic as you.

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If they were to deify the idea of the rings being in the hands of one guy

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:27 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-stone-infinity-stone-gamora-gif-14046382

Tenor

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:28 AM

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Realistically speaking, the Master Builder would possess very contrasting personality traits to what you described.

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:28 AM

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carmine sleet If it weren't for real world events leading to that happening in countries (And ...

But humans are so immature in a cosmic sense. Our species is, by comparison, very young in development — so things like Ego cropping up are natural

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Do you seriously believe that the Forerunners were devoid of arrogance?

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Originally, yeah. Doesn’t mean they were perfect, but they didn’t like on the same plane as us

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:29 AM

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The advancement of borders and technology is not the same as growing wise

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I agree, but there was more cotnext to it all

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Context

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:30 AM

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You could have the most technologically advanced empire covering half the cosmos and still have the worst leadership

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:30 AM

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The Covenant is an example of what you said

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:30 AM

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carmine sleet The advancement of borders and technology is not the same as growing wise

The creation of the Flood proves this comment.

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:31 AM

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carmine sleet You could have the most technologically advanced empire covering half the cosmos...

But it would galvanise, the bigger they grow the more refined their ideals/beliefs would become. So if they were egoic, then they would be really much so, to the degree they would be almost as bad as the flood

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Not flawed, but basically the devil — if they chose that path

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And I’m not against the idea of Evil Forerunners.. but those guys didn’t fire the rings, I’ll tell you that much

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IMO

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:33 AM

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I'm not saying all Forerunners are evil

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I'm saying that they aren't as benevolent (As a whole) as you hoped they were just because they had such advanced technology and once ruled the galaxy

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally, they basically were. They had insecurities, but their hearts were pure enough to love all of existence. That’s why firing the ring was such a brave decision

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For the new Forerunners in canon, that now becomes a “well, looks like we can’t win. Nobody will, then!” Sort of thing

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Which I doubt the original writers would have agreed on. Hell, some don’t seem to still

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As soon as I put together the fact that Forerunners were by no means anything like they originally intended, I was crushed

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You mean that one fundamental theme of Halo.. is a selfish act now?

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Halo's big theme is hope, being forced to fire seven super weapons that wipe out everyone isn't exactly something I'd call hopeful

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Well, knowing to reseed it all in the future was the hope part

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Which basically turned into a more subsidiary choice

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“Eh, well I guess. So long as we’re still in charge”

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So they made Guardians.. ugh

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Gross

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I’m sorry, but those just are not the Forerunners I know. Maybe a deviant like those Kung Fu movies where the Shaolin Monk turns bad, and starts a drug trafficking gang or something

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And then the normal monks make a student to stop him and fulfil some destiny

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Other than that, eh

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Do you think that rope could be manufactured from hard-light?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:54 AM

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versed helm Do you think that rope could be manufactured from hard-light?

What

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I was just thinking about how illogical it is for the grapple hook being able to reel John around, lol. I proceeded to dwell on other alternatives for the rope.

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Haha, that’s a good point

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Interesting idea

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Maybe that’s an upgrade

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Hardlight rope that extends the reach

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It would probably improve the velocity of the reeling effect too.

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Yes

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I was gonna say that

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Resonance has been achieved.

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The standing wave of hardlight

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 11:55 AM

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I don't think Chief's grappling hook is using rope

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 11:55 AM

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It’s titanium weaving whatever, still

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Hardlight would be able to stretch further and faster

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Honestly how do you expect to beat a faction that throws their entire camp from orbit with giant spikes, when you are sitting there waiting for your concrete walls to cure and throwing down roller beds

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Quick question about the 3 prophets in halos 1-3, why are they so zealous about activating the rings if they know what they actually do and that their religion is a lie? Wouldn't it be in their power's best interest to delay the array's activation for as long as possible?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:20 PM

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What implied that the Prophets were aware of the Installations' true purpose?

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:22 PM

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In contact harvest mendicant bias tells them that and they agree to keep it secret if I remember correctly?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Well, the Prophets knew that the Covenant would tear itself apart if the truth was revealed about the "chosen race". I think that logic applies to this situation too.

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:27 PM

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Right but in that situation while it makes sense to keep the true purpose of the rings a secret, their zealousness to activate the rings doesn't to me. If something were discovered that could be used to activate the rings, like the activation key in halo 2, it'd be best for them to suppress to hide it for their power's sake

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I mean truth himself personally went to the Ark's activation room. Just seems odd to me when you could keep your huge amount of power and not die for a lie by keeping stuff like that quiet

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Weirdest thing to me was how he held that freaking heavy brute spiker with two fingers

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I think that there is one holographic stream in H3, where the Prophet of Truth claims they will be "shielded from Halo's fire" by the Ark. Keep in mind that he is portrayed as being delusional for the third game.

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Ohh

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If that's the case then I get that

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:29 PM

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David Wincott or something rather

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Wonder if that's the case with the other prophet in 2 as well

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Truth in Halo 2 was a lot more charming

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I imagine that the Prophet of Truth deceived his fellow leaders.

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There are elements to H2 that suggest he planned their deaths from the very beginning.

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I thought that was obvious lol

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He did it to Regret

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People can form different opinions.

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Mercy was just an opportunity

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Like hell yeah this is convenient

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:32 PM

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What was larned in Contact Harvest didn't actually decry their religion as false. Mendicant only said that humans were Forerunner, which met if the Great Journey commenced, some Covenant could be left behind

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:33 PM

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Imagine if it actually got truth instead, and Halo 3 had some really really senile old Prophet as the villain

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It doesn't sound very different to me.

lapis jetty Mar 13, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Ah. I suppose I hadn't made that distinction of what bias said. That would explain the prophets behavior

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:34 PM

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I think there was a mistranslation in Mendicant's speech as well.

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Staten wanted Forerunners to be humans

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:35 PM

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No, that's on Bungie for still trying to do the human=forerunner thing

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:36 PM

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How dare they

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"Curse those blasted developers with their original visions!"

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Curse them and their actually emotionally inspiring civilisations, everything must be grim and gray

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God that stinks

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Why are the only two most uplifting story beats ignored now

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This and how Elites and humans have a truce after such long conflict

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The moment they meet you they just go “I do not trust you”. Like, epic

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Attempted genocide on my whole species, an actual build of friendship happens but sure you don’t trust me, the player

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:41 PM

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You do realise the Elites aren't a hivemind, right? They aren't all going to have the same thoughts and opinions as one another

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Plus, it was only one small fleet that helped humanity

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Doesn’t matter. Yes they’re still conflicted and young as a society, but from a meta perspective I don’t want to see that side of them only as soon as they come back after years

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Why is it so hard to just have that again, smh

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Conflicted and young?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Like any growing species that are not Forerunner-Tier

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I don't think that the Elites' polarising stances towards the humans is unreasonable. They have been at war with each other for decades, after all.

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:44 PM

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You imply the forerunner were a mature species, when they were not

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:45 PM

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They were originally played out like that, technically still possible in the canon to be somehow so I’m running with it

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Even in the old pre forerunner saga Canon they were not. They allowed a nightmare sickness to spread throughout the galaxy

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:46 PM

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That’s pretty unfair to justify that as being immature

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They have limitations, that was also a theme of them

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Godlike in heart and purview, mortal in their stretch of the cosmos

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Their sentinels still has wires and widgets, they were not entirely pure

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:48 PM

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They viewed themselves as better than every other race in the galaxy and actively policed many of them to keep them from potentially reaching a stage where they could fight back

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:48 PM

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^

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:48 PM

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And that’s why I hate the new canon of them

terse lava Mar 13, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Thats not new

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Thats old

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Define old

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What are you trying to get to

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:49 PM

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There isn't even a "new canon" as 343i have expanded upon things from the Bungie days, with one or two retcons when needed. What is this "old canon" that you prefer?

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Like, this isn't Star Wars where the old canon was scrapped

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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The context of what the original designers had in mind

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I mean Paul Russel never had the impression of tyrant Forerunners when making their art, that skips so many of the filaments playing out

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Joe didn’t want that either

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Just because a designer has an idea for what they want, doesn't mean that is canon

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:52 PM

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It means that it should be. That’s the emotional focal point of all their design queues. Turning it into equalling Imperial Order, just quashes the entire meaning

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They knew that, which is why they made redesigns in Halo 4

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They needed something that looked meaner

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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So by that logic, the Twitter post by Frank O'Connor about how he believes Jun escaped Reach is now canon? Even though he specifically stated that he was just putting his thoughts out there for how he escaped and not at all giving us a canon story

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:55 PM

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I’m not justifying the criteria, I’m just being sound in where the breadcrumbs should lead to

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These guys know the Forerunners a lot better than those who took over. It was insanely selfish for Frank to just backstab all of that build-up for himself the moment he took control

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:57 PM

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If I recall, outside of allot of umming and arring over whether to make Forerunners Ancient Humans or not, they didn't actually have too many details on what the Forerunners were like outside of the bits of info we got in Halo 3's terminals. They left it open ended so people could speculate

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Did Frank receive complete control over the narrative for the Forerunners?

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Not really. Even in 3, the main script tried putting it to rest, but the Terminals were written by other people and kept pushing for the contrary

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@versed helm yes

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 1:58 PM

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I don't believe Frank was given complete control over that at all

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 1:59 PM

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versed helm <@456226577798135808> yes

Do you have any sources to prove it?

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Well Frank was the one who wrote the Terminals, the Iris campaign and what followed in the comic, everything that attempted to make disparity was all done with him overbearing it all. Then he became franchise development director and suddenly they were all exactly like what he seeded in those subplots

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I was under the assumption that writers for official material receive some guidance from supervisors.

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Well his supervisors weren’t other Bungie staff, considering higher brass at the time were writing otherwise

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Source on him being the one who wrote the terminals?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:03 PM

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I don’t know, I’m just familiar with him being in that area. Besides, it explains why they were so different from the mainline story

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I know he did the ARG stuff along with Brian Jarrard

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How convenient they’re the main two for a while before Staten came back

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It struck a nerve in me because of how I saw Forerunners as a kid, and what they all agreed on in the art form. They were like our parental figures, and what happened with them was like the notorious Disney schtick of killing the parent at the start of their movies

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It had that same gross-feeling

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:07 PM

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What?

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You do realise that Staten didn't write Infinite's story, right?

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Like, he wasn't attached to the project until last year

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I’m aware

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I don’t think you’re getting at where I was addressing things

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Also, Staten went off with Bungie back when they split with Mircosoft because he wanted to work on a new franchise

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:09 PM

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The franchise that disintegrated. chiefsmirkle

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I know that’s not true. A lot of Bungie staff simply weren’t hired as much as they wanted to come back. They played out like Nylund wanted to move on but he’s been wanting to return for years

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:09 PM

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And I feel like the more you talk about this it's less about the Forerunners and how they're depicted and just more an attempt to hate on 343i and worship Bungie

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:10 PM

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No, I don’t worship companies, and 343 isn’t unison enough to hate

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Kevin Grave I think does a great job, I liked the Banished introduction as much as I would old Legacy Halo themes

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That’s entirely 343

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“343”

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I like the Pilot’s character, whenever I see something done right I avoid bias of judgement

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There was just so much done wrong for me, especially around Guardians

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Attention: Sergeant Johnson maybe still be alive according to Halo Follower

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Halo Follower is not a trustworthy source of info

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:15 PM

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carmine sleet And I feel like the more you talk about this it's less about the Forerunners and...

I especially don’t want to revert back to everything how it was. That will still leave a hole in the heart of the game that needs addressing

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:15 PM

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versed helm There was just so much done wrong for me, especially around Guardians

A game that forces you to stand idly while listening to the delivery of exposition.

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Ugh

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I don’t like 4 or 5, but what they established does have a sense of good to it that is needed to be realised. You can never go backwards

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I pity anyone who was tasked with testing that level.

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Are you talking about the final mission

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That awful final mission

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I think those mission templates were used on Sanghelios and Meridian.

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That was very disgusting. There’s a lot to not like about post-Halo 4: tyrant Forerunners, death of the Rookie, Blooding years and anything Sangheili, Spartan IVs and the Infinity.. None of that made me rustle my jimmies

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Shadow of Intent was well-written, at least.

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Rookie was barely a character

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:20 PM

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I wonder why @versed helm

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postums

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:21 PM

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carmine sleet Rookie was barely a character

That’s an awful justification on so many planes of reality and hardlighted neural physics

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Rookie is the embodiment of the game. His character may be very symbolic in nature, but that’s no way to just say “eh, useless let’s kill him off”

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Let's look at Rookie, he says nothing and everything that happens in ODST could've happened without him. He is only there as an avatar for the player. He never grows as a character or anything in ODST. His role could easily have been replaced with any of the other squad members

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:23 PM

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The Rookie was not a very expressive, emotional nor talkative character. People were annoyed about his death because of their bias for ODST as a title.

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:23 PM

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He would've served no purpose in the narrative going forward and due to the attachment that fans had to him, he was the on that made the most sense to kill off from ODST

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:23 PM

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What’s wrong with being an avatar and why does that demand disposing of him

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:23 PM

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versed helm The Rookie was not a very expressive, emotional nor talkative character. People ...

Entirely valid reason to not like the choice

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I never stated that it was invalid or unwarranted.

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:25 PM

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carmine sleet He would've served no purpose in the narrative going forward and due to the atta...

Not necessarily true. He can be the avatar for a new playspace, taking what was expanded upon from H3 ODST

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People would like that. Shooting him in the head by some random terror lady was just mockery

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Why do that. Yes, you can argue the mechanics of a narrative for why it’s explainable, but what are you doing to the reader from pulling that off?

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The thing that’s the most rich about, it is that you know they didn’t even consult Staten on wether to do that or not

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They just shot him

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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They're not obligated to consult Staten on everything Halo

half ravine Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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versed helm Attention: Sergeant Johnson maybe still be alive according to Halo Follower

Sergeant Johnson is dead

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Like, what, you think they need to run every decision by him now on the franchise?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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It’s his character, it’s just courteous to ask him. I wouldn’t ever get the balls to do that with anyone’s OC, especially not Halo

pine edge Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Will 043

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Opionions

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:29 PM

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versed helm It’s his character, it’s just courteous to ask him. I wouldn’t ever get the ball...

Someone's OC is different to a large franchise owned by Mircosoft

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:29 PM

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I don’t remember him

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Why does that make it better

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:29 PM

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If I took my friend's OC and did stuff with them without their permission, there's problem. I used that character which they own without them knowing

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Rookie on the other hand is not owned by Joe, Rookie is owned by Mircosoft, they do not need to consult him on anything they do with that character

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:31 PM

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You can legally exploit it since the IP was Microsoft, sure, but on an eye-to-eye level you’re knowingly being cowardly in making that choice without even telling him about it

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On a human level

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:31 PM

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What?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:31 PM

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“Hey, yeah I killed your character five years ago. The book was decent, I guess”

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That’s savage

pine edge Mar 13, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Rookie was a secret spy for ONI

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Do you think that other companies do this with characters they own that were created by specific individuals that no longer work for them?

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Why does that make it any better

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Because they should do just that

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I would

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It’s just a display of class, is all

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:33 PM

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They don't do that because if someone creates a character and leaves said character under the ownership of a company, that company is not obligated to consult them every time they want to do something with that character

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:33 PM

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pine edge Rookie was a secret spy for ONI

Don’t remind me of the plot I played out in my head

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:34 PM

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carmine sleet They don't do that because if someone creates a character and leaves said charac...

Then you’re just routing back to the legal aspect. I’m still on the topic of how the decision is under the context of being.. humane

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It’s just not, fair and square, to do that

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Didn't need to tag me and you have missed my point

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Ugh, the automatic tagging is annoying

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:35 PM

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You seem so hung up on the idea that they have to consult people who moved on to work on other things

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That is not how you keep a franchise going

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Yes! Because that’s basic human decency

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:36 PM

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This is nothing about human decency. He left because he wanted to

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Him not being there doesn't mean that 343i now can't use anything he created in anything

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 PM

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There’s a difference between can and should

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 PM

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You're the one who is adamant that they should've consulted him on what they did to the Rookie when they had no reason to

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:37 PM

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No reason to, what. Legally?

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This debate is in circles

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:38 PM

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No reason full stop. Joe wasn't working on Halo when New Blood was written, why would they need to even speak with him at all

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:39 PM

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I dunno, maybe the full year working on something you put all your heart into is enough of a reason

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Especially when Matt didn’t put in half the effort as that would take on Joe’s behalf

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I really don't get what you're getting at anymore

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Businesses don’t leave room for heart in their contracts, but that’s no excuse for men to step over the line

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Like, I've explained why they didn't need to consult Joe and yet you seem adamant that they were stabbing Joe in the back over killing Rookie

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:42 PM

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You’re talking about the subject from an entirely different room though

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Marketing, Law, Canon? Sure, explainable. but Morally it’s just wrong

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:42 PM

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What?

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Morality has nothing to do with this. Joe doesn't own the Rookie

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Ownership over IP has nothing to do with morality

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:43 PM

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I give up!

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Alright!

carmine sleet Mar 13, 2021, 2:43 PM

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You're clearly not listening to what I'm telling you

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I have explained it over and over

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 2:43 PM

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I can say the same thing, and I know what you’re telling me

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And it’s absolutely something that is doable, and you won’t go to jail for it

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But..

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Sometimes you just got to be frank with someone about the elephant in the room

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But that kind of behaviour they did there is something I’ve seen painted all over 343 products, particularly the mainline games

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Halo Wars 2, I had no problem with that though. Didn’t do a thing wrong, did a lot right. I don’t know why that makes me a Bungie stan

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What happened

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Simple disagreement

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Of what

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Whether or not a freelance book writer killing off the Rookie without talking to any of the people who designed his character was morally acceptable

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Hmm what's your opinion on it

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Hell no it’s not

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Ok

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You did say "morally" acceptable sooooo

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Yes I did

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And

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I don’t think it is, pal

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I don’t think it is

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...that's what you just said?

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Nevermind

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Bro you’re in the domain right now

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You’re floating, you’re on a ship

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You’re deflecting my logical understanding with a bubble shield

pulsar grail Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 PM

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whoa

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Cool

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Poop

unique rune Mar 13, 2021, 4:53 PM

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if only Bungie wasn’t allergic to writing player characters as characters

half ravine Mar 13, 2021, 4:54 PM

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That would’ve been nice, pretty lazy writing considering they’d expand upon surrounding characters but not the main character himself.

fair hazel Mar 13, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Morality ... over this? That seems far from something about morality

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 5:00 PM

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half ravine That would’ve been nice, pretty lazy writing considering they’d expand upon surr...

You have no idea what “lazy” means, do you

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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I know it’s obvious, but like if a marine got stuck with a plasm grenade I’m pretty sure they’d just straight up be incinerated

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Like there’d be nothing left but maybe ash

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I think the grenade would also melt through their body before detonation.

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Maybe.

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I think the blue flames on the plasma grenade when it’s thrown is only for gameplay purposes

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 6:57 PM

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The weapon ejects its coolant upon activation, so I imagine that it would be quite hot.

pulsar pivot Mar 13, 2021, 9:03 PM

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How does a flood spore "Starve" exactly

main hill Mar 13, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Not having any biomass to give to a gravemind

cobalt thunder Mar 13, 2021, 9:32 PM

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main hill I know it’s obvious, but like if a marine got stuck with a plasm grenade I’m pre...

I don’t think they would be completely incinerated, u gotta remember they’ve got strong body armor, the grenade would land on the chest armor not the bare clothing and skin

humble yacht Mar 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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pulsar pivot How does a flood spore "Starve" exactly

Every cell needs some sort of nutrient in order to proliferate

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“Starving” the flood means not giving it what it needs to spread

fair hazel Mar 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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No moa pringles or monster

versed helm Mar 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Was Private Jenkins initially going to resort to desertion or suicide when saying, "There's too many of them, Sarge"?

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 12:25 AM

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So it just shrivels up and dies if it starves

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 12:34 AM

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we don't know how long it takes for a single flood supercell to undergo apoptosis

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or if it ever even does

main hill Mar 14, 2021, 12:40 AM

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As far as we know they just cannot expand any further

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Hmm ok

cobalt thunder Mar 14, 2021, 1:36 AM

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They need a different species to get to other planets, they need to hijack ships to get to other planets because they... are idiots

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Mindless zombies that cannot build their own ships

unique rune Mar 14, 2021, 1:39 AM

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I mean, why build your own when you can just take over someone else who's done the work for you?

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Not really any different from real terrestrial parasites.
They're not stupid, just... built different.

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 3:18 AM

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humble yacht Every cell needs some sort of nutrient in order to proliferate

also the mind and essence that is important as a sustenance. They infect more than the physical body

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They’re space demons, not space fleas

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Well, they obviously can’t take over the essence itself, but the mind which steers the essence, yes

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Which is like a fuel source for their neural physics

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 3:32 AM

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no?

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where is it ever stated that neural physics uses minds as a fuel source

noble shuttle Mar 14, 2021, 3:42 AM

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can someone explain to me whether the precursors are alive or not? I don't mean the flood btw i mean like actual precursors

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 3:43 AM

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the short answer is no

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the longer answer is we don't really know for sure

noble shuttle Mar 14, 2021, 3:45 AM

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aww

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i hoped we would see more of them

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 4:12 AM

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i hope not

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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suicide isn't the first thing people think when faced with a superior enemy

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remember this was the fiirst time we'd encountered the Flood and it had been all of about 10 seconds after seeing them that Jenkins booked it

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the only one with any wits about him in that entire group, gtfo of there

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Or not Jenkins, whoever the other Marine was. Mendoza maybe.

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Ironically for the purpose of this conversation though, Jenkins indirectly committed suicide when he motioned for 1st Lieutenant McKay to detonate a grenade in a coolant conduit aboard the Truth and Reconciliation after Major Silva planned on returning the survivors to Earth aboard it (while the flood still wasn't totally eradicated onboard)

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 4:36 AM

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wth are you on about?

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jenkins was planning to run

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Someone mentioned what PFC Jenkins was doing when Keyes and his team were attacked by the flood

stable flower Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Jenkins shoulda fired his gun!

humble yacht Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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it wouldn't have mattered

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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JENKINS FIRE YA WEAPON

stable flower Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Yeah, they were all shooting at the walls and ceiling anyway

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 4:40 AM

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give them some credit they only have 2001 AI backing them ;)

stable flower Mar 14, 2021, 4:47 AM

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And they were being attacked by nopop infection forms so there's that

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 4:47 AM

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freaking fl00d hax0rz

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 5:46 AM

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humble yacht where is it ever stated that neural physics uses minds as a fuel source

Halo Wars 2

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Why are grunts soooo UGLY

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Dont judge them by their looks

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They breathe methane what do you expect them to look like

unique rune Mar 14, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Why are grunts soooo UGLY
they’d probably think humans are ugly just the same

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:00 AM

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It's the basic rule of life

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You may see aliens ugly but they see you just as ugly

tepid whale Mar 14, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Lol

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Master chief is handsome for sure

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:06 AM

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I bet he is

craggy sierra Mar 14, 2021, 6:12 AM

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I’m pretty sure canonically chief is like 2 shades whiter than the whitest man alive, bald, and middle aged. And 4 years in cryo probably did nothing to help any of that.

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:17 AM

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How powerful is human weapons vs covenant canonically

gilded mason Mar 14, 2021, 6:18 AM

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They both get the job done, but plasma weaponry is much more powerful.

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:18 AM

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How bout gameplay wise

gilded mason Mar 14, 2021, 6:18 AM

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It depends on a lot of factors

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Ok

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:20 AM

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craggy sierra I’m pretty sure canonically chief is like 2 shades whiter than the whitest man a...

He’s genetically perfect, with little to no defects. That will make you look quite pleasant to the eye.

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He’s also likely not forcefully bald, given Fred isn’t

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Imagine if flood had their own brand of weapons

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Also with superhuman immune system, skin issues would be less noticeable

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Isn’t that just scorn

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Scorn?

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Some game with organic guns and it’s weird

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Ew

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:25 AM

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You’re the one who suggested it lol

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Fair point

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Idk what I would have expected though

alpine cipher Mar 14, 2021, 6:26 AM

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versed helm Some game with organic guns and it’s weird

Wouldn’t they just look like the guns with the Alien Barrel from Borderlands 3?

craggy sierra Mar 14, 2021, 6:27 AM

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versed helm He’s genetically perfect, with little to no defects. That will make you look qui...

It’s literally stated chief’s prune from years in and out of cryo and his multi-year stint after the war did him no favours. And most spartans are capable of playing hide and seek with casper the ghost from how little they’re out of their armour and in actual sunlight.

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:28 AM

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If you’re talking about the flood novel, that’s a pretty old source. Later visual media don’t seem to hint much at that

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I think Marcus toyed with the idea of him looking bald and pruned, but that was still closer to being simply a theory of theirs

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Halo 2 deleted scenes seemed to imply a more dem god-like appearance

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He also had hair in them

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:34 AM

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Iore

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Yeah

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It seems like Staten pictured the demigod look, Marcus the aged and weathered appearance. But I’m sure it went back and forth sometimes

pulsar pivot Mar 14, 2021, 6:39 AM

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This has turned to quite the conversation

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About looks

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 6:41 AM

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Mhm

elfin rose Mar 14, 2021, 7:50 AM

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jagged stirrup JENKINS FIRE YA WEAPON

Don't even think about it Marine!

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 8:25 AM

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jagged stirrup suicide isn't the first thing people think when faced with a superior enemy

I thought he was intending to desert the squad as well, but a friend of mine developed a different interpretation, lol.

dapper harbor Mar 14, 2021, 10:17 AM

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versed helm Halo 2 deleted scenes seemed to imply a more dem god-like appearance

Is this filmed or in concept art or just written down? It sounds interesting

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 10:51 AM

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@dapper harbor In concept art. Was revealed recently, the original ending to Halo 2. It also had Arbiter facing off with Truth and killing him, as well as a Forerunner sarcophagus which had a human skeleton inside

dapper harbor Mar 14, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Huh, is there any way to see this concept art?

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 10:54 AM

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I’ll DM it

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Another hint at human forerunners was Nylund’s Sentinels speaking Latin

jovial haven Mar 14, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Are any of the Halo books worth reading?

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 12:26 PM

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@jovial haven Anything by Eric Nylund or Joseph Staten

carmine sleet Mar 14, 2021, 1:49 PM

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The books by Troy Denning has been really good, definitely recommend checking his Halo novels out

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Also the writer of Halo Renegades, Kelly, she's done a fantastic job of weaving things together from places you least expect

tepid whale Mar 14, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Can somebody tell me the halo saga in short? I still haven't understood it completely

sand yarrow Mar 14, 2021, 2:13 PM

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oh

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https://youtu.be/y6DtLNPet0k

tepid whale Mar 14, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Thanks fren

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Are the reticles for HUDs influenced by heat signatures?

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Bruh when I said grunts are ugly it was a joke

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 5:07 PM

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@versed helm mostly it’s gameplay reasons but without getting too specific it’s IFF pings from neural implants

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I say gameplay because obviously marines aren’t the only allies we have in the series

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Same explanation for motion trackers too. Again, a realistic explanation can only go so far...

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 5:21 PM

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jagged stirrup <@456226577798135808> mostly it’s gameplay reasons but without getting too speci...

Reddening of the reticle for camouflaged enemies is present for gameplay reasons, yes?

jagged stirrup Mar 14, 2021, 5:23 PM

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No clue man

versed helm Mar 14, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Yes gameplay reasons

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What's the closest cutscene in halo where Spartans are depicted close to what they were described in the books

craggy sierra Mar 14, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I think the answer to that might actually be none of them

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In books and stuff they’re kinda like power armoured solid snake where they’ll use tactics and finesse to delay direct confrontation as long as possible until it’s necessary. The original trilogy features basically no action in its cutscenes in that regard and then Halo 5 has its SSX Extreme downhill blitz.

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Is rtas still alive?

cedar surge Mar 15, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Yes

pulsar pivot Mar 15, 2021, 12:34 AM

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I wonder how sesa feels

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In his grave lookin at arbiter now

stable flower Mar 15, 2021, 12:36 AM

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Hoping that he took the hint

pulsar pivot Mar 15, 2021, 12:37 AM

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What hint

stable flower Mar 15, 2021, 12:38 AM

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About Halo

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He was still blinded by the Prophets' lies when he told him. Only Gravemind reminded him.

craggy sierra Mar 15, 2021, 12:42 AM

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Gravemind didn’t remind him as much as confirm what he said.

pulsar pivot Mar 15, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Yeah

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He was like "well dang, this giant flood thingies told me the lies"

humble yacht Mar 15, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Thel didn't start to believe the Gravemind and Sesa were right until he saw that the Brutes had killed his people

gilded mason Mar 15, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Yeah. He basically had to get a lot of stuff happening in quick succession for him to finally start to deprogram.

humble yacht Mar 15, 2021, 2:24 AM

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nothing like a little genocide to help you see clearly

pulsar pivot Mar 15, 2021, 2:29 AM

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Hell yeah

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Genocide

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Imagine if the Prophet of Swag was an actual character, how funny would it be?

humble yacht Mar 15, 2021, 3:06 AM

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not funny at all

craggy sierra Mar 15, 2021, 3:16 AM

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If the punchline to your joke is asking how funny something would be the answer is not at all

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 3:16 AM

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That joke died off 10 years ago

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Get with the times emperor

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You've been sitting on that chair for 10000

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Years

pulsar pivot Mar 15, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Oof

jagged stirrup Mar 15, 2021, 6:24 AM

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i've thought about this alot-

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Why did the prophets screw themselves by betraying the elites in Halo 2?

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I know that the Elites were gettiing too smart for their own good in the Prophet's eyes but surely they needed to drag them on only a little longer until humanity's defeat?

humble yacht Mar 15, 2021, 6:28 AM

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The Arbiter surviving is really the only reason it didn’t work out

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And that was a happy accident

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 7:24 AM

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What if we’re all under a mental spell like Arbiter

jagged stirrup Mar 15, 2021, 7:34 AM

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That Halo is a good game series and Infinite shall deliver salvation unto us?

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 8:15 AM

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More like Halo Was a good game series and Infinite will prob be the final nail in its coffin based on the E3

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and 343's record

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 8:57 AM

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Don't diss them they responded to the feedback and Microsoft gave them time to fix the graphics and make more tweaks

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Give them another chance

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They're only human

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 9:19 AM

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Humans that were hired because they "hate" halo for Halo 5. Wtf kinda logic is that.

jovial haven Mar 15, 2021, 9:22 AM

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I know this probably isn't the place but FFS, do not preorder

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If you preorder you're a scrub and support rushed releases like Cyberpunk 2077

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 9:38 AM

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@elfin rose 343 doesn't hate Halo a lot of the Devs who work there worked on the originals ok

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And if they really hated Halo why work on it it's not like Microsoft forces them to

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Kinda like Rare Microsoft gives them free reign

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Also @jovial haven everyone says this but you realise most of the people who ore order are casual gamers they don't ever read gaming news

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 9:52 AM

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jovial haven I know this probably isn't the place but FFS, do not preorder

Why did you send these messages when knowing that it would be inappropriate?

gloomy mica Mar 15, 2021, 10:55 AM

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343 are developers who love Halo. They are passionate about their work. Look at the vidocs they make. The books and other extended lore they give us.

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Sure Halo 5 was not great story wise but I still like the Guardians, Genesis etc.

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They are finding their feet and I respect 343 as a developer a lot. Please research before you post such generalised statements

gloomy mica Mar 15, 2021, 10:58 AM

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jagged stirrup Why did the prophets screw themselves by betraying the elites in Halo 2?

They feared the Elites. They weren’t as easily controlled like the Brutes etc. Certain elites held a lot of political power! They used the Arbiter as means to make these great leaders lose grace by causing some blunder and then rush to death to gain honour

gloomy mica Mar 15, 2021, 10:59 AM

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jagged stirrup I know that the Elites were gettiing too smart for their own good in the Prophet...

Think the Terminals in Halo 2 anniversary cover this.
There’s a book too I can’t remember which that gives more backstory and info

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Could that book be Broken Circle?

gloomy mica Mar 15, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Think so yes

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Thank you I couldn’t remember it 😂

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 11:29 AM

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No problem.

unique rune Mar 15, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Wtf kinda logic is that.
Logic that's been warped and twisted and taken out of context for the sake of clickbait and generally taking shots at 343i.

steep ether Mar 15, 2021, 12:34 PM

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@jovial haven and @elfin rose, #general-chat please

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look at which channel your in before you comment

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 12:37 PM

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steep ether <@!302997637697634306> and <@!639800995328819220>, <#471722331820130326> please

Please look at what role you are....

versed helm Mar 15, 2021, 12:39 PM

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Abiding by the rules is advised, surprisingly enough.

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Listening to The Rock's Catch phrases would be better for ya. Especially since we were not the ones who started that line of conversation. I merely replied to it.

steep ether Mar 15, 2021, 12:45 PM

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still

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Know your role, shut your mouth

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move on

steep ether Mar 15, 2021, 12:46 PM

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if you want to talk about game development, find a different channel

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 12:46 PM

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if you want to be a moderate, create your own channel

steep ether Mar 15, 2021, 12:46 PM

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i don't want to argue

elfin rose Mar 15, 2021, 12:46 PM

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then shut up

humble yacht Mar 15, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Play nice