Energy sword or grav hammer
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
i prefer the hammer since it sends you flying back
pulsar pivot
Energy sword since it seems more elegant and I prefer sword
Over hammer
undone plume
hammer you can melee and it not take ammo from it
versed helm
Swinging a gravity hammer would probably fracture your radii and humeri, if you didn't receive any augments.
terse lava
Energy sword
cedar surge
ado can you say you would be able to parry a gravity hammer
versed helm
You would have to be very cautious when using an energy sword.
cedar surge
checkmate
undone plume
energy swords are fun but they get seen too easily
cedar surge
you mean you can see one from far away or that they are used too much
versed helm
Gravity hammers are literally huge in size. Visibility wouldn't really matter in a melee duel, regardless.
cedar surge
if the hammer doesn't hit you the gravity will
you would get knocked back allowing them to get a direct insant kill hit
undone plume
you mean you can see one from far away or that they are used too much
get seen from far away whenever im playing a campaign mission and i play with the sword it gets seen before i even get there
undone plume
yeah i play H3 and the part where you have to kill truth get seen with it too easily
cedar surge
you mean when you go down the straight pathway
cause you can't go in any other direction than foward
directly where the enemy can see you
main hill
Energy sword or grav hammer
In game, the energy sword IDK I think Im just better with it, but realistically I'd want the grav hammer because the Grave hammer has the upperhand.
young mortar
I prefer the Energy Sword as its not as clumsy or random as a firearm; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age
versed helm
cedar surge
and would you look at that
the uncivilised guns killed nearly all the jedi
curious
foggy forge
In game, the energy sword IDK I think Im just better with it, but realistically ...
the grav hammer is more powerful, but i think the energy sword is easier to use
young mortar
Very true lance, very true, touché perhaps
kindred plume
It's been a hot minute since I've read any halo novels, what would be good ones to read to get caught up?
I know the Forerunner saga (Silentium and whatnot) is a must-read, any others?
(For reference I've read ghosts of onyx, glasslands, I have hunters in the dark but haven't picked it up yet)
humble yacht
Depends
If you just like reading halo novels, anything would work
If you want to prepare for infinite, the more recent novels help bridge the gap between h5 and infinite
kindred plume
Gotcha, thanks
fallen portal
I super enjoyed Bad Blood (also post Halo 5). Worth at least reading into Renegade before Point of Light. Just finished Point of Light and liked it a lot!
Also you absolutely should finish off the stories from Grasslands with Thursday's War and Mortal Dictata
gilded mason
Should they, though? 😎
normal shard
The Thursday War is the only book so far that I've disliked from Halo.
versed helm
Have you read New Blood?
Jokes aside, I didn't actually mind that book.
normal shard
I purposely avoided New Blood, because a good friend recommended that I do so.
Wait, sorry I got them mixed up. I avoided Bad Blood.
versed helm
Bad Blood essentially takes all those events that recently occurred in that book, before metaphorically lighting them on fire.
normal shard
Yeah, so I've heard.
fallen portal
Really you didn't like Thursday's War?
normal shard
Nope, I did not. Liked a lot of the other books though.
fallen portal
Do you remember why out of curiosity? Not saying your opinion is invalid at all just curious. Been a second since I read it but I don't remember it being bad
normal shard
I didn't say it was bad, I said I didn't like it.
fallen portal
Oh fair point
gilded mason
I'll say the trilogy is bad lol
normal shard
lol well fair enough then
main hill
I remember Thusday’s war, IDK I liked it
fallen portal
I liked that entire trilogy. But I could see why if you were looking for something to directly continue certain parts of Halo 3
I enjoyed it because it kinda help me appreciate Halo 4 a bit more
Well certain aspects of 4
normal shard
This is just my personal view, but I dislike how ONI gets used and we're seeing things from their perspective more and more, which I don't like. I liked the first half of Hunt the Truth, because that's, in my opinion, what ONI is best at. Being viewed from the outside, narrative-wise. When they're more of a mystery, and they let your imagination run wild about what ONI's goals are etc. That's fun to me.
So in short, I just try to avoid media that shows ONI's perspective from the inside in any way.
fallen portal
That's a great view! Honestly, totally respect that because it is fun to keep them mysterious. I think I focused my attention not on the ONI parts in the trilogy and more of the experience of the particular team we follow. Like Naomi for example. I loved seeing the growth and consequences of the Spartan II program
main hill
Thursday War probably saved Jul Mdama from being a completely forgettable character for me
fallen portal
That too Awesome! Which bums me out that they didn't use the character better.
normal shard
That reminds me of Star Wars, how they make characters like Jul pop up in other media, to flesh them out better, but meanwhile in Star Wars movies, those same characters are treated like trash. (In this case, in Halo games, some of these characters never show up or are treated like trash, like Jul)
cedar surge
Like nova fett
normal shard
Or Maul.
cedar surge
Don't remember much of him in the movies aside from the sarlacc pit
carmine sleet
Mando did some great work with Boba Fett in the few episodes he's in
normal shard
Exactly, and Maul gets deleted in his debut movie. Then pops back up elsewhere, gets fleshed out, and then....relegated to a cartoon. -_-
humble yacht
A cartoon was where he popped back up
carmine sleet
Wallsman, you have a problem with cartoons?
humble yacht
A darn good cartoon
normal shard
It was good, but he could've been way better in the prequels was my point.
Treated like trash in the main movies, is where I began my point.
humble yacht
It’s because of clone wars that he gained any real characterization
fallen portal
In some ways TV shows do so much better than film can for developing a character
humble yacht
Lucas threw him away and Dave filoni was like “hold up”
fallen portal
So true 😂
normal shard
Yeah, I'm not saying Clone Wars is bad or anything, but in the main movies, they had a trilogy that could've used him and instead....deleted.
humble yacht
Because the trilogy wasn’t about him
fallen portal
Seeing that death scene in Rebels actually had so much feeling and cool factor
humble yacht
It was about anakin
main hill
The clone wars and Mandolorian definitely showed Boba Fett being a badass
humble yacht
What’s your complaint? That he wasn’t in ep 2 and 3 or that he wasn’t characterized?
normal shard
Yes.
humble yacht
Those are two different issues
normal shard
Characterize him, so the audience cares if he dies. When a character dies, the audience didn't think "Oh, good riddens" or "Oh no, he was a good character." Or anything similar to this. They thought "Oh, he looked cool. Seems like a waste."
slate egret
anyone knows if the new halo books (sor and pof) will be releasd in other languages at some point?
normal shard
Lemme check.
slate egret
since many newer ones arent
humble yacht
No official news on that
humble yacht
Point of light talk goes in #485883236430512168 until April
fallen portal
Yeah I have
slate egret
would you think they re still worth it reading them FTER infinite?
fallen portal
After?
slate egret
since i heard they tease much stuff for infinites story
or at least, thats assumed
yea after
fallen portal
Here check #485883236430512168 for the most recent comment to see my thoughts
Didn't want to risk it just in case it was a little spoilery
slate egret
k thx, thats fine :D
carmine sleet
Characterize him, so the audience cares if he dies. When a character dies, the a...
I can think of plenty of characters in fiction that were given development and I still went "Good riddance" once they died. Just because a character is given development, doesn't mean they necessarily are going to be someone that people will root for
versed helm
Tartarus could probably be used as an example for that topic.
steep ether
how come this channel turns into a star wars fandom all the time?
humble yacht
Because people like Star Wars
steep ether
true
devout abyss
what modern-day military branch/special forces group are the ODSTs equivalent to?
stable flower
USMC Force Recon
versed helm
You can compare them to the SAS, because they deploy behind enemy lines too.
carmine sleet
They're definitely more akin to the SAS for sure
Granted, the ODSTs are also deployed in other ways than just behind enemy lines
versed helm
That is dependent on a lot of factors, lol.
versed helm
Granted, the ODSTs are also deployed in other ways than just behind enemy lines
There were situations where the SAS didn't deploy behind enemy lines.
carmine sleet
Nowhere near as often as the ODSTs are
main hill
I do think the ODSTs are a lil more comparable to the US army’s Delta Force. Just judging by the missions they usually conduct.
versed helm
Nowhere near as often as the ODSTs are
I think that the SAS would experience similar methods of deployment, if the British Army was equally as large as the UNSC's.
main hill
Sir, this is a halo discord
spring gull
wrong server
main hill
Lmao
spring gull
that was supposed to go to the simpsons lore and universe server
humble yacht
No
carmine sleet
Nova 6 is the gas from Black Ops
pulsar pivot
I know
But wasnt there a really big bomb that destroyed like a giant covie fleet of elites that still believed in the great journey
carmine sleet
That's just known as a Nova Bomb
pulsar pivot
Oh ok
gilded mason
And this was before anything about the truth of the Halos really got out
gilded mason
It flash burned a quarter of the surface
pulsar pivot
Ooof
terse lava
And the radiation produced by it penatrated all the way to the core
cedar surge
And it was never seen again
gilded mason
Yes. Never seen again.
cedar surge
Would be kinda useful now wouldn't you say
gilded mason
lmao
terse lava
Doubt it
gilded mason
Though who knows if the Guardian pulse can disable it
cedar surge
Physics
gilded mason
Biscuits!
terse lava
Congrats Lance, you win an all expensed paid trip to the Greater Ark
gilded mason
This is why elites were nova bombed twice
No. You said it yourself. Never. Seen. Again.
cedar surge
Can I take a sentinel though
terse lava
Ostral, you win a new sword
gilded mason
Hooray
terse lava
You may have a single sentienl that only says Cortana quotes
cedar surge
Not even the good ones?
main hill
Do you think the flood become less coordinated the further away from the grave mind they are
versed helm
Don't introduce it to caves, please.
terse lava
2nd thought nah, you are a doctor after all
@main hill yes actually, they revert to feral
Also theoretically possible for one gravemind to change the goals of a flood form from another gravemind
humble yacht
It’s all the same gravemind
humble yacht
Outdated, probably
That’s back before the flood were tied to the precursors
The good ol’ days
steep ether
what would happen if there were two graveminds? would they be the same consensus?
humble yacht
It’s the same consciousness
pulsar pivot
What was the sangheli government before covenant
humble yacht
They would probably fuse to form a bigger mind
steep ether
maybe
gilded mason
What was the sangheli government before covenant
About the same as during the Covenant
pulsar pivot
Ok let me be more specific
Was the sangheli planet full of smaller factions and governments
Or was it one guy ruling it all
steep ether
i think it was a oligarchy, but there isnt that much pre-covie history with sangheli
main hill
I guess that’s why using Juggernauts or Abominations would still be useful for a gravemind
steep ether
Was the sangheli planet full of smaller factions and governments
Or was it one ...
also there was different states
pulsar pivot
Ok
steep ether
or something similar to that
main hill
Senghelios is a mix of Ancient Greece and Ancient Japan with a mix of Spartan and Samurai as well as city states and and ancient Japanese territories
gilded mason
Greece, Medieval Europe, Middle-east, and Norse.
steep ether
that works
gilded mason
Not much to do with Japan.
gilded mason
...The norse
main hill
With it being heavily tied in with bushido
humble yacht
The Japan thing comes from legends
gilded mason
The writer for their honor stuff said he got it from the norse and other European stuff.
humble yacht
That was stylized
steep ether
this is post covenant "The Sangheili have no unified government; they are splintered into numerous feudal,[100] meritocratic states.[101] A given state is governed by a single clan residence and assembly house known as a keep, headed by a kaidon selected by a council of elders. There are usually a number of "client keeps" belonging to different clans under the leading keep's rule,[102] though a state's elders will assume the kaidon's clan name as a title signifying their position, regardless of the name of their own family keep."
pulsar pivot
Sounds like fun
terse lava
Yeah, would say pre-covenant they likely held an advanced feudal-like system similar to Europe during the early-mid medieval period
paper coyote
100,000 volts will only travel about 3.33cm in un-ionized air. voltage isnt electricity itself but more the potential difference in negative and positive that determines how easily electricity can flow between those points.
higher voltage=more flow
paper coyote
to be honest......its kind of........'shocking'......................heheheheheheehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheeheheheheheh
normal shard
So trolling, got it.
terse lava
.........cute
humble yacht
Not quite trolling. Just a bad joke
pulsar pivot
Really is isnt it
paper coyote
anyway, now to the topic of the gauss cannon and the railgun.
pulsar pivot
What about them
paper coyote
they just get me 'amped' up to fight the covenant....hehehehehe.
now to more serious matters, how strong must the charge of the repeating magnetic loops in the railgun be to fire a projectile strong enough to one-shot a spartan?
now im just assuming that the charge time is the projectile swinging back and forth between the first loop before just gaining enough momentum then KALBAM out through the other loops by switching the polarity or something at lightning fast speeds.
or maybe its a repulsion thing through one big magno-tube.
anyways I'm preety sure how those loops work is one loop turns off oor changes polarity causing it repulse the object and at the same time the loop in front off it switching polarity to attract the oobject then change and repulse again.
pulsar pivot
Stop with the crap jokes
unique rune
I mean
you could just Google how a Gauss gun/coilgun works
strong enough to one-shot a spartan?
and then you'd be stuck trying to calculate stuff using numbers that aren't known
and probably aren't ever going to be known
mostly because they mean bugger all in the grand scheme of things
humble yacht
I think they just wanted to bait a response
main hill
they just get me 'amped' up to fight the covenant....hehehehehe.
If your gonna make jokes, they gotta be good ones. Not puns
hidden blade
Does a human slipspace rupture look the same as a covenant slipspace rupture? Blue and whatnot.
humble yacht
I’d say yes if everything is working properly
hidden blade
Ok. I don't think a human slipspace rupture has ever been shown on screen save for post assimilation of Forerunner technology. Like the Infinity jumping through that ship in Spartan Ops.
But yeah, I'll just assume they're the same as Covenant.
humble yacht
You don’t mean the savannah bomb?
gilded mason
The one that destroyed the LNoS, yeah
terse lava
Wouldn't the POA existing slipspace be more accurate of a comparison
gilded mason
I forgot about that one lol
humble yacht
The one that destroyed the LNoS, yeah
That was a slipspace drive repurposed into a bomb. It wasn’t a standard portal. It formed a spherical shape while most ships open 2D portals in front of them, as we saw Regret’s ship and The Mantle’s Approach do
The only other spherical portals we’ve seen were the persistent Ark portals at Voi and the ark
gilded mason
The only other spherical portals we’ve seen were the persistent Ark portals at V...
Regret's carrier in H3: ODST was also spherical
terse lava
Think they made it 2D again in H2A
gilded mason
Yeah
pulsar pivot
Poor ferrets that got turned to flood
steep ether
they werent ferrets
pulsar pivot
What I watched told me they were ferrets
unique rune
Well then whatever it was you watched was wrong about it
terse lava
What is he going on about?
unique rune
Pheru, I assume?
terse lava
Oh, them
Yeah, flood infected and later wiped out when their home system was made a test bed for a halo
pulsar pivot
Pheru
Oh
I heard ferret
Nvm then I'm wrong
Either way are the elites in the banished ranks treated the same as brutes or are they treated worse
gilded mason
Seems to be worse, maybe
pulsar pivot
I could see them being treated worse
Since they tend to have a bad history with eachother
gilded mason
At the very least, Atriox did not care at all that Decimus sent them on suicide missions for his own amusement, the very reason he rebelled against the Covenant.
gilded mason
Hm?
pulsar pivot
He rebelled because of elites
gilded mason
Prophets and other Covenant leadership
pulsar pivot
Oh yeah
I wonder how pissed truth was after halo 2
Lost hith charity
And both other other prophets
The elites teamed up with humans
chilly marsh
The great Journey waits for no one.
terse lava
The loss of High Charity i think weighed on him heavily. He pretty much, in one fell swoop, doomed his entire race
versed helm
I always wonder why Miranda didn't just shoot truth when she came in
pulsar pivot
Like bang
I would say she had a shotgun not as effective but she also had a magnum
And the rings were about to fire
terse lava
- Likely had no view of him. And 2. Nothing stopping a Jiralhanae from continuing the job
pulsar pivot
Exactly
stable flower
Truth wanted the other two Prophets out of the way anyway
pulsar pivot
Mmm
humble yacht
I think truth didn’t care about the preservation of his race all too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had plans to eventually get rid of the entire high council to further consolidate his power
hazy summit
lord hood
just click it
sell your soul to kernel sanders
take 20 yr old pepsi and drink it
main hill
Lord Hood is fingerlickin good.
cedar surge
no
main hill
👀
versed helm
You might want to reissue that ticket, 217.
normal shard
In Halo 3, at the end of the level "The Covenant", Master Chief sees Cortana, and leads him to find the replacement halo. How does he see Cortana? I've always been curious.
cedar surge
telepathecly
foggy forge
did he get those gravemind messages the same way in the mission 'Cortana'?
humble yacht
The gravemind can reach out to people telepathically. Because the gravemind was hacking Cortana, he could send Chief messages disguised as her
normal shard
Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
versed helm
The flood have the telepathic powers from the precursors right?
versed helm
Everyone does
steep ether
his conshesnes is connected to the primordial
versed helm
Yes
steep ether
idk how to spell
versed helm
Cuz the primordial a precursor and gravemind
steep ether
but when the primordial died or whatever, its mind whent into the gravemind
versed helm
Ye
stable flower
I wondered how he was able to communicate with John in those annoying af Gravemind moments
humble yacht
telepathy
steep ether
the gravemind used cortana to talk with john
someone mentioned it futher back in the chat
versed helm
I can just imagine John-117 mentally sighing for every instance.
hidden blade
Is anyone here a lore expert? Like read all of the Halo books and whatnot?
cedar surge
steep ether
Is anyone here a lore expert? Like read all of the Halo books and whatnot?
we sorta combine all our thoughts and come up with a conclusion i guess
do you have a question?
steep ether
well, if you have any questions, ask them here
fallen portal
I'd agree, most of us can cover each other's missing gaps in lore information
steep ether
and correct each other
paper coyote
I’m making an animated Halo film. I was looking for a consultant.
remember, the plasma pistol is utterly massive in normal human hands its chonko
hidden blade
remember, the plasma pistol is utterly massive in normal human hands its chonko
Lol why are you telling me?
hidden blade
Can ODST VISR reveal Elite active camo?
gilded mason
If it uses thermal
hidden blade
In the lore, I mean. I know VISR will reveal Brutes in the games, but I imagine it would be different for Elites and in the actual book scenarios.
main hill
I mean Elites can’t hide their natural body heat so I doubt it can’t
pulsar pivot
I'd agree, most of us can cover each other's missing gaps in lore information
Yeah I thought ferrets were first infected by flood
And people corrected me
hidden blade
Dogs. @pulsar pivot
pulsar pivot
No it
Was
Pheru
A common pet at that time
Precursor get slaughtered by forerunners
And they turn to space dust the survivors
And it ends up on earth
And people use this thing as a drug to make pheru more friendly
And a couple centuries later
Flood
They were infected
humble yacht
The pheru weren’t from earth
pulsar pivot
Either way
I was correcting kawaii
Obviously the pheru weren't from earth but there is intergalactic trade
Or planetary trade
fallen portal
I guess the misconception is that they were like our present day dogs but not dogs
In terms of usage
pulsar pivot
Whatever planet it happened on the pheru were there
hidden blade
They were space dogs
steep ether
not really but you can think of them like that
sleek ferry
Do you guys think we will see a Precursor in this halo ring?
gilded mason
Nah
sleek ferry
I believe there was a Precursor trapped in one of these halo rings
gilded mason
That was the Primordial. He's the Gravemind now
sleek ferry
But i thought a gravemind was first a Proto-Gravemind.
sleek ferry
Where does the primordial come in?
"A Gravemind starts out as a Proto-Gravemind—a Flood form created by merging the bodies and biomass of numerous sentient life forms; some Flood forms may also be repurposed and merged into the Proto-Gravemind"
gilded mason
There were Graveminds before the Primordial merged himself with them and became the main personality.
sleek ferry
I thought Graveminds came into existence because of the Primordial's death
gilded mason
Nope
limpid meadow
It's unconfirmed either way. The Primodrial wasn't simply a Precursor, it was also a Precursor creation.
But it does seem likely that there was a Gravemind before the Primordial merged with the Flood.
sleek ferry
"mplying that a proto-Flood form (described as a fine dust contained in hundreds of glass cylinders) was created as revenge or as a failsafe. The fact the Gravemind considered itself a Precursor implies that the Precursors created it for revenge against the Forerunners. If so, then they were entirely successful. "
Precursor desiccated remains = Theflood/graveminds
gilded mason
What about it
sleek ferry
ups wrong
"It was later revealed that the Flood was not a creation of the Precursors, but the Precursors' perverted and insane remains of themselves"
So i was right about that Graveminds came into existence because of precursors' death
gilded mason
Are you using Halo Alpha?
humble yacht
Halo fandom is not curated as well as halopedia
humble yacht
Literally today someone added an entry for an odst who does not exist
sleek ferry
Is halo fandom not legit?
humble yacht
I mean, both halopedia and halo fandom are community run
sleek ferry
They also cite their sources
humble yacht
But one does a better job citing sources and making sure articles are legit
gilded mason
The Halo Alpha article has almost no sources cited
humble yacht
The Primordial was a heavily mutated precursor that the forerunners found and locked up. It had a connection to the flood and understood the flood’s nature while it was alive; after it died it transferred its consciousness to the existing graveminds. It’s not clear how much control or influence the primordial had over the flood during its incarceration
But the flood existed before the primordial joined them
humble yacht
versed helm
Do the UNSC Marines still use the Semper fidelis motto?
olive edge
Do grunts mesure same as a normal human? (I think yes)
calm lagoon
Grunts range from 4’6 to 5’6
olive edge
Thanks
pulsar pivot
How bout elites
terse lava
7-9 ft
unique rune
these are all values you could easily check on Halopedia or Halo Waypoint
main hill
Brutes are like 10ft right?
narrow gulch
Man grunts are like 6 feet tall the only reason why they look small is because we are a 8 foot Super Solder
terse lava
@main hill around there yes
main hill
The average height of a Hunter is around 12ft and then a Sharkquoi is 14ft
I actually didn’t know this but apparently the reason they are called Hunters according to Halopedia is that their “combat tactic is an approximation of a hunter killer formation”
terse lava
Yep
narrow gulch
I have been pinged 227 times in a Minecraft server for saying Eath Chan is a dead meme by one person
steep ether
lets try to keep this channel for halo lore
steep ether
Man grunts are like 6 feet tall the only reason why they look small is because w...
also they average to bout 4,5 to 5
and chief is 7'
narrow gulch
Still they look small
narrow gulch
I like how one of the elite dialogue in halo 2 said “Hey did you kill him for sport or for ammo?” To the arbiter
steep ether
funny
steep ether
narrow gulch
Ok thanks
Wait I’ve been in the wrong channel I thought I was in the General discussion channel
narrow gulch
Wait how come the other 2 Precursors didn’t heal themselves
steep ether
what other precursors?
narrow gulch
The precursors that were protected by the forerunners that didn’t like the whole killing the precursors
narrow gulch
HiddenXperria is a good source of halo lore that I havn’t read yet
steep ether
sometimes
narrow gulch
Yeah
narrow gulch
Not everything like 89% to the flood
But still infinite is set on Zeta halo there are flood research facilities that still contain the flood
But if I remember correctly teh flood is still alive so yeah we might run into some in infinite
So uh does anyone know where Rtas, Vadom is?
steep ether
half jaw?
pulsar pivot
That's a good question
steep ether
hes vibin with arby i think
craggy sierra
Pretty sure the last thing he was doing was off on a diplomacy trip to the San’Shyum
steep ether
goe ask @terse lava or @gilded mason
hidden blade
What's the rank structure of ODSTs? I tried finding the ranks of ODSTs specifically on the wiki but couldn't.
gilded mason
Pretty sure the last thing he was doing was off on a diplomacy trip to the San’S...
Nah, he came back from that by 2558 to do anti-piracy operations in the JOZ
@narrow gulch For you, too
hidden blade
So are ODSTs considered UNICOM? If so, I can go off of this chart.
steep ether
theres some other roles, but i dont know if thos are ranked
craggy sierra
Kay guess he’s just vibin’ with Arby then
pulsar pivot
Yup
terse lava
@gilded mason you left out the prelate party fun
gilded mason
<@260910412080480256> you left out the prelate party fun
Hm?
terse lava
When he was asking what Rtas has been up too
gilded mason
Oh, he wanted recent Rtas stuff. The prelate situation was several years back
terse lava
Ah alright
Come to think of it, I assume Rtas wasn't even around Sanghelios when the Created Uprising happened( just saying that disgusts me)
humble yacht
What, Rtas not being around or created uprising?
gilded mason
The latter
terse lava
Yeah, just forgot a word
humble yacht
Call the whambulance
gilded mason
An ambulance that slams into thing?
versed helm
Well during halo 5's ending the gaurdian emp which planet earth or sanghelios
humble yacht
Earth
versed helm
Oh but there were covenant ships in orbit as well
humble yacht
Huh?
steep ether
there werent any ships
versed helm
there werent any ships
I mean those phantom and spirits
steep ether
SoS anyway
versed helm
Yup
steep ether
hold up
humble yacht
There were no phantoms or spirits orbiting earth that I can see
Only pelicans frigates
And infinity but it left
steep ether
yeah
humble yacht
I just watched it
steep ether
same
humble yacht
Nothing there
terse lava
Yeah, just human stuff
main hill
Are the San Shyuum still around? What are they doing?
gilded mason
Many left in a flotilla. Rtas went to find them
versed helm
Yup just humans
It was only pelicans and a frigate
Man rtas is one hell of a good guy
His speeches in halo 2 are so good
Btw and also where is the sos shadow of intent
SoS flag ship
gilded mason
Last seen doing anti-piracy operations in the JOZ
versed helm
Joz?
humble yacht
Don’t torrent or Rtas will come get you
versed helm
What's tha
gilded mason
Joint Occupation Zone
versed helm
Oh
gilded mason
Space where humans and Covenant races live
versed helm
Ok
I was playing halo wars the another day
I when spirit of fire came to that eten shield world
I realised they were the first to discover the flood then why didn't other UNSC know of this
gilded mason
Have you beaten HW?
versed helm
I mean during combat evolved we see the UNSC on the ring baffled of the flood
versed helm
Have you beaten HW?
Nah still playing
gilded mason
Your question is answered during the game
stable flower
With the Banished becoming the new mascots of the series, I doubt we'll ever see any more Prophets in-game.
humble yacht
I think claiming them the new mascots is a bit premature
main hill
You think the SoS have their own special forces similar to the silent shadow
I don’t think it’s impossible the Banished have a San Shyuum within their ranks, I highly doubt it but I don’t see why not
Not all of them were like the main 3 prophets
Although I do want to see a Prelate character in a halo game I wouldn’t wanna see em shoved into the banished
fair hazel
Prelates would be interesting, but check out the cover of divine wind
main hill
Oh
Hol up real quick, off topic.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but I remember hearing that in Shadows of Reach it’s mentioned that jump pack brutes with ravagers were able to shoot down fighters, is that true?
pulsar pivot
Oh boy that would be scary
main hill
I think overall, the Ravager was the best looking weapon we saw in the demo
quaint raft
Kinda sad they halo infinite’s pistol looks like it’s gonna be a halo 2 pistol.
pulsar pivot
Looks like a glock
main hill
I think it looks like a USP
stable flower
Looks like a Beretta 8000 Cougar
main hill
Looks like a Beretta 8000 Cougar
I see it
pulsar pivot
What it does look like is not the magnum
normal shard
Halo 2 pistol is best pistol. I mean, obviously everyone knows that.
normal shard
I'm a Reach shotty kind of person.
pulsar pivot
Same
normal shard
Facts. ^
barren ferry
Looking back, I'm surprised people genuinely thought back then that Tex from RVB had any chance against Chief, or any SPARTAN-II for that matter.
humble yacht
Aside from it being a pointless match up, she was a full on robot with built in camo abilities. She probably could take him on
barren ferry
Yeah, no. Novel chief exists mate
Not to mention her armor can't even take a few bullets.
The only people that think tex actually could win against Chief are people who've only played the games.
humble yacht
Tex has performed feats of strength that outclass even book Chief
She’s tossed boulders
terse lava
...is this happening?
barren ferry
Eh, he's prolly trolling
humble yacht
I don’t troll
barren ferry
nah, I ain't falling for this
terse lava
Its Chim, he never trolls
barren ferry
Are you sure about that
terse lava
Yeah, pretty sure
humble yacht
Trolling is literally against the rules here
terse lava
sigh
normal shard
Let me not acknowledge his points harder, is what you seemingly meant. lol
normal shard
True.
humble yacht
Wyoming could stop time. That should be an instant win for any situation
terse lava
Let's not forget the Meta
barren ferry
He reverses it, not stops it.
humble yacht
Time manipulation of any sort is op as hell and would render most anything else in the actual halo universe moot
barren ferry
Not to mention he can only do that with the time distortion unit when he has Gary with him, who is currently destroyed.
humble yacht
And Wyoming is currently dead. So is Tex
So there is no point in considering this match up. But if you do consider it, you should take out bias and look at it objectively
barren ferry
Even with it, only way he beats chief is via a sniper round to the head, he's dead if he decides to take chief head on, as are the rest of the freelancers
humble yacht
Tex was a robot. Her strength and speed capabilities outclass everyone else’s. Potentially chief’s since he’s a cyborg-lite
barren ferry
Being a robot doesn't mean anything in vs debates.
Yeah, outclassing everyone else who is, more often than not, an unaugmented human, like Grif or Sarge.
Tucker takes her punches quite well, look at what John did to a bunch of ODSTs with just a few kicks.
humble yacht
If you are discounting aspects of the character you don’t want to win then you aren’t really interested in a debate
You just want to say “Chief good” and have everyone agree with you
barren ferry
How does being a robot mean anything?
Do tell me.
This is like saying "this character is claimed to be a god so he can beat this other character who isn't".
humble yacht
Not limited by organic components
barren ferry
Unless she shows the feats, it doesn't mean anything. Non organics have beaten robots time and time again in fiction.
terse lava
Flesh is typically weaker then metal, for one.
barren ferry
Funny, since Chief's bones are unbreakable and probably tougher than some metals.
terse lava
And yeah, in other fictional stories
barren ferry
Or nigh unbreakable by UNSC standards, Brutes can do it, sure, but we all know how strong Jiralhanae are.
humble yacht
Didn’t he break his own leg running too fast?
humble yacht
So not unbreakable
barren ferry
Also, not his bones.
humble yacht
Just tough
barren ferry
His achilles tendon.
He could easily manage said speed in Mark VI armor if he's fresh.
Meanwhile, Tex frequently gets pierced by normal rifle rounds.
Chief on the other hand, has rounds harmlessly dinging off his armor if it's anything short of the sniper rifle, or plasma Weaponry.
humble yacht
Tex rarely gets hit by bullets
barren ferry
But when she does, it's enough for her to yelp in pain, and clearly anger her further.
humble yacht
And even actual MJOLNIR is susceptible to small arms fire if you know where to shoot
barren ferry
Doubtful, considering that another SPARTANs visor takes being hit head on by a forerunner ancilla's blast.
Which you know, disintegrates hunters.
humble yacht
Hunters don’t have energy shielding
humble yacht
They also have a litany of exposed areas
barren ferry
Yes, but the ancilla still destroys it and most of the armor.
humble yacht
But this is just an example of inconsistency within actual halo canon. In the games, Hunter armor deflects plasma that would otherwise pierce MJOLNIR shields and armor in a few shots
barren ferry
In the novels, it does that too.
its just that forerunner weapons are on another level compared to plasma or UNSC weaponry.
humble yacht
Yet in a book MJOLNIR survives a forerunner blast? Doesn’t really mesh
It’s just titanium alloy plating, we already know covenant materials are tougher
barren ferry
The games aren't a good enough example to show a SPARTANs capabilities.
anyhow, we all know tex is way less durable.
And not nearly as strong, it clearly doesn't show when she punches grif in the head multiple times over and he's still able to get back up and fight.
however terribly he may do so.
barren ferry
put a SPARTAN in her place and Grif's head would be decapitated after the first swing.
terse lava
Frankly would chalk it up to toon physics/rule of funny
barren ferry
That was an actual canon fight, so that excuse is thrown out the window.
humble yacht
Pretty much, it’s toon physics
normal shard
Never thought about the inconsistencies before in Halo canon, but you're right. I mean, MJOLNIR survives a Forerunner blast but then Red Team gets bodied by Atriox in a 1v3. xD
humble yacht
It’s why the Mask is the most powerful comic book character
barren ferry
Until tex shows the ability to kill a normal human after just a few punches, which she never does even against York, Wyoming and Maine, i aint buying it.
humble yacht
RvB breaks reality because it’s trying to be funny. But breaking reality means normal rules don’t apply
terse lava
You consider them normal humans?
barren ferry
They clearly aren't that much above it physically.
It took carolina AND washington to take on and beat Sharkface.
humble yacht
None of the characters are normal
Even the throw away red and blue soldiers revive after death
barren ferry
not to mention another soldier was still taking carolina on in hand to hand, and that was during a serious moment in one of the freelancer flashbacks.
cant argue cartoon/funny logic there my friend.
humble yacht
The cartoon logic is baked into RvB, it applies
terse lava
Don't forget from h2, the "red team" song Sarge is singing while also giving a speech at the same time with a random red flag from nowhere
barren ferry
hell, Maine even struggles with that one buff dude and gets shot.
normal shard
Yes, you still can actually. They exist in two different plains of existence.
humble yacht
It’s also why I said it was a pointless match up to begin with
It’s like comparing halo to war hammer 40k
terse lava
Its like putting Bugs Bunny against the Hulk
humble yacht
Bugs would probably win
terse lava
No doubt
barren ferry
Oh, and carolina also struggles against Girlie, that dual wielding knives chick.
and she is still a normal human.
wooden minnow
Hello
normal shard
Does Bugs ever not win? lol
terse lava
Evening
normal shard
Hi.
terse lava
Yes actually, he's lost a few times
wooden minnow
who like Dark Souls?
humble yacht
Wrong channel
normal shard
Oh really, huh. Never knew, Ado.
humble yacht
Wrong server, actually
terse lava
Its pretty rare
barren ferry
Does Bugs ever not win? lol
bugs wins to everyone and everything
wooden minnow
terse lava
Point being, with toon logic/physics, the battle becomes pointless
normal shard
Agreed.
normal shard
Bye.
There's a youtube channel that attempts comparing Halo things, to things in Star Wars, Warhammer etc. Idk if you guys have seen it, but they go pretty deep into it and it's a fun watch, even if there's no point to such matchups.
humble yacht
I prefer matchups that are on similar levels of grounded ness
normal shard
lol. That's fair. I only liked the matchups because they were comparing ships from Halo, to ships in other media, and it seemed pretty grounded. Like an Empire fleet from Star Wars against a Halo covenant fleet.
humble yacht
Like a Mantis vs a Titanfall Titan
Two franchises that follow similar rules of reality (if you ignore the forerunner stuff in halo)
Spartans may beat Pilots but everything about Titans make them seem better than just about any UNSC vehicle
normal shard
I guess I see what you're getting at, yeah.
barren ferry
dont let that distract you from the fact that someone pitted 5 stormtroopers against 5 SPARTAN-II's
normal shard
Sigh. lol.
humble yacht
That’s not a fair match up
barren ferry
even if the stormies had light rifles, it wouldnt save them
humble yacht
It’s not interesting to consider
barren ferry
nah, no time for that either
humble yacht
It’s not worth thinking about
humble yacht
Whoever posted that wanted a laugh and that’s it
normal shard
I assume a Jedi would win. I mean, Chief got bodied by the Didact who used something that looked like the force.
barren ferry
too many factors really.
humble yacht
It would come down to how good Obi wans precognition is
barren ferry
a sith sure, a jedi isn't likely to use the force offensively.
humble yacht
He wouldn’t attack first because of his beliefs
normal shard
Oh, you're right.
humble yacht
Depending on how Chief engaged him, it could be over before he could react
barren ferry
Jedi do have the speed advantage, but SPARTANs have a massive strength advantage.
humble yacht
We don’t know how well lightsabers would be at deflecting assault rifle fire
fair hazel
Spartans have super great reflexes first of all, second of all Didact doesnt have 'the force', not every thing that's telekinesis like is 'the force'
normal shard
I feel like, because you said he wouldn't attack first, we could see Chief become One Punch Man real quick.
barren ferry
well they are just 7.62 FMJ rounds. bullets that hit a saber dead on are typically vaporized entirely.
humble yacht
No one is talking about didact, ericky
normal shard
I didn't say it was the force, calm down.
fair hazel
I assume a Jedi would win. I mean, Chief got bodied by the Didact who used somet...
this part
barren ferry
Before this gets heated though, just end it on this: far too many variables.
humble yacht
The AR fires faster than typically blasters
fair hazel
When the bullets in that one comic where they had bullets, the bullets still passed through melted
something like that
barren ferry
only the ones obi-wan screwed up on blocking.
humble yacht
And Jedi are largely unarmored so one stray bullet could be all you need
barren ferry
the two that hit the saber blade dead on are vaporized.
fair hazel
they didnt hit him directly but he had to retreat
905m/s at 600RPM? I think?
wait RPM hang on
barren ferry
its usually impractical to use full auto fire in combat unless its for supressing fire.
fair hazel
750-900 RPM
barren ferry
blasters do have full auto modes on them, most troopers, like soldiers in real life, just prefer semi auto.
fair hazel
These are spartans and MA5s and the future
People in halo typically go full auto on enemies
humble yacht
Now if Obi wan knew ahead of time that bullets were coming, he could just block them with the force instead
But that goes into precog
barren ferry
or lightsaber. he doesn't need to block every single one.
doing that with blasters or ballistics would overwhelm jedi quite quickly. thats why they usually mix in their agility as well.
normal shard
Btw, is force choke just a Sith thing? I've always wondered.
normal shard
Oh, huh.
humble yacht
Jedi can do it but don’t
barren ferry
even non gifted jedi like obi-wan.
humble yacht
Jedi don’t use techniques that break their beliefs
barren ferry
code to be exact.
fair hazel
There's only so much their pre-cog does. Jedi do get overwhelmed by barrages of blaster fire
humble yacht
Or techniques that require tapping into dark side
Force choke is a dark side move because it was designed explicitly to cause pain/death
barren ferry
There are also examples of random ones holding out for months before dying on an enemy planet.
normal shard
I see. So it's like they know how to use those abilities, and just don't. That makes more sense now.
barren ferry
even in the scenes where jedi get overwhelmed, they do take a lot of people with them most of the time.
coleman actually killed 1,000 droids before dying to jango.
normal shard
I remember seeing Anakin use force choke before he was a Sith, and was like..."Well, if you could do that the whole time..."
humble yacht
I see. So it's like they know how to use those abilities, and just don't. That m...
For yoda to be able to block force lightning, he likely would have an understanding of the technique itself
fair hazel
Clone wars, jedi fallen order, even rebels and so on are examples
barren ferry
when mace windu used force crush on grievous, im quite certain he had to check back with the council./
just to make sure he wasnt turning towards the dark side.
humble yacht
I don’t think that’s canon anymore
half ravine
It’s not
barren ferry
im assuming EU Jedi feats here (non post ROTJ ones, dont worry)
humble yacht
No I mean
normal shard
Well, thanks for explaining it to me guys. Star Wars makes a lot more sense now. lol
humble yacht
The old clone wars cartoon got overwritten by the 3D one
In the 3D cartoon, grievous always had the cough
It wasn’t from Windu
barren ferry
it could still fit if you piece it together properly. some parts are just suspension of disbelief.
fair hazel
It's not canon.
normal shard
I like the 3D one. Never seen the other one though.
humble yacht
The other one has much worse production value
normal shard
Oh, big oof.
barren ferry
still a good watch though.
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fair hazel
I'm not a big fan of the 2d one
people overestimate blasters and underestimate UNSC's arsenal in general.
fair hazel
overestimate jedi and the force too, especially thinking it basically has no limits
I see that way more
barren ferry
Uh, what? In most debates I see, people underestimate force users and say blasters are weaker than modern ARs.
normal shard
I know this isn't really the place for it but I have one more question about SW. Is Starkiller actually the most broken character, ability-wise? I've seen people say this a lot.
barren ferry
eh, far from it.
humble yacht
The force itself doesn’t have limits so much as the Jedi do
barren ferry
REALLY far from it.
half ravine
I know this isn't really the place for it but I have one more question about SW....
I mean being able to force pull a star destroyer is very broken.
normal shard
Huh. Well, kinda glad he's not. I liked those games.
barren ferry
darth nihilus, vitiate, palpatine
humble yacht
I know this isn't really the place for it but I have one more question about SW....
Nah. Darth nihilus could kill you just by proximity
barren ferry
naga sadow
humble yacht
Yea
barren ferry
although there are ways to kill him
humble yacht
He had life drain abilities
barren ferry
Well he was a wound in the force
his version of force drain could not even be learned.
normal shard
Oh. Isn't that what Rey is?
humble yacht
Darth Sion was literally held together by his own hate
His body was literally in pieces
normal shard
That's pretty Linkin Park- I mean metal.
humble yacht
Linkin park isn’t a metal band
barren ferry
do keep in mind they are massive outliers though.
humble yacht
More alternative rock
opal birch
Darth Sion was literally held together by his own hate
to quote Zaeed Messani, "rage is a hell of an anesthetic"
normal shard
I need to read into more of the crazy force powers. They sound fun, ignoring the broken aspects.
barren ferry
Oh it sure is.
humble yacht
The force even lets you time travel
normal shard
Omg, okay, google says this dude drained entire planets at a time. LMAO. 40k, eat your heart out.
barren ferry
However, we all know Mouse Droid beats SPARTAN any day of the week
opal birch
Star Wars uses a soft magic system with the force there really isn't a hard limit to what someone can do with the Force
normal shard
It always seemed that way. That's why I liked it.
barren ferry
It's kept in check by the fact that it's limited to these few people.
humble yacht
The limit is based on the person
barren ferry
For example, Mace was the only master who could actually practice form 7 and not fall to the dark.
normal shard
So are these few, crazy-strong folks actually canon btw?
barren ferry
All of his students that tried to copy him turned.
normal shard
Oh, okay.
humble yacht
They were added to Galaxy of Heroes I think, which could suggest Disney legitimized them
normal shard
So not a hard-yes though?
humble yacht
Not a hard yes
normal shard
Understood.
opal birch
We won't know for certain until content delves into the Old Republic
humble yacht
Between the lightsaber and the energy sword, lightsabers make more sense
normal shard
Yeah, I figured that one. I mean, knowing how long Star Wars has been around, I can assume they explain how it's built in-universe.
opal birch
I just like lightsabers more.
normal shard
I like them both for different reasons. Energy sword looks more alien to me, and so I like that about it, but the lightsaber is just cool-looking in general, when in a fight.
humble yacht
They idea that you could generate an electric field in that shape is dumb
opal birch
also yes Wallsman, how sabers are built are explained in SW
normal shard
Gotcha.
humble yacht
If you ignore the magic of kyber crystals, the lightsaber makes more sense using modern physics
normal shard
I think I saw a Clone Wars episode that explained it, a long time ago.
Also, I could buy that, Chimera.
opal birch
Yeah when Ashoka took a bunch of younglings to llum
humble yacht
Also the gap between the blades of the energy sword just feels like a vulnerability waiting to be exploited
normal shard
Plus like, Kyber Crystals always felt like they were part of the universe. Meanwhile in Halo, things just work because developers say they do. Which is fine, but it doesn't feel the same.
opal birch
Also if you play Jedi Fallen Order you get to see it happen
normal shard
I will always prefer Halo's ships though. Star Wars ships bore me a bit.
normal shard
I plan on buying Fallen Order with my next paycheck.
humble yacht
Elites have plasma melee weapons, brutes have gravity, forerunners have hard light
What could humans have that sets them apart
opal birch
I prefer the look of SW fighters though
humble yacht
I say HF blades because superheated metal doesn’t cut
normal shard
What does HF stand for?
humble yacht
High frequency
normal shard
Oh.
humble yacht
Vibrating sword that molecularly destabilizes things it cuts
normal shard
That sounds painful to be cut by.
barren ferry
Changing any cut into a gaping wound
normal shard
I was right to think this then. lol
opal birch
I hate how stupidly big the Longsword is, it's like the size of the Millennium Falcon.
barren ferry
cries in BX Commando Droid
normal shard
Same with the Broadsword, I assume Conker?
humble yacht
Nah
opal birch
Broadsword is smaller
normal shard
I couldn't truly tell tbh.
humble yacht
Two at the most
humble yacht
Broadsword is like a fighter jet in terms of its size
Maybe slightly bigger
Longsword is more like a stealth bomber size
opal birch
Like the Longsword having a 4 person crew is baffling
normal shard
Either way, like Star Wars has the edge for fighters imo, but Halo's ships are so much more interesting. I need to dig into SW lore and see if they have cool ships I don't know about.
normal shard
...Wut.
opal birch
The Nebula-class Star Destroyer
humble yacht
It’s this weird tie fighter with like 3 wings
normal shard
lmao. God, okay, not that thing. It looks like that one Pokemon. Magnetron or something?
humble yacht
Yea
normal shard
Btw that Nebula star destroyer looks cooler than the one in the movies.
So I concede.
opal birch
Wait do you mean the TIE Defender Chimera?
humble yacht
I dunno the actual name
barren ferry
This is the tri fighter: https://images.app.goo.gl/6RmrzfFuYHshqdKJ9
Doesn't look anything like the TI, don't worry
normal shard
More like the tri-hard fighter. lol. (I'll see myself out.)
humble yacht
That’s not what I was talking about
opal birch
Btw that Nebula star destroyer looks cooler than the one in the movies.
which one? there's 3 main SDs in the movies
humble yacht
I like the super star destroyer from ep V
opal birch
The Venator is one of my favorite SDs
normal shard
I don't know names of ships from star wars, but those cruisers that the rebels used. I liked those.
Chimera, am I allowed to post images in this channel or nah?
humble yacht
You don’t have image perms anyway
opal birch
The Resurgence (the SDs from the sequels) is also an excellent design, calls back to the Empire while removing the obvious weak points of the Imperial design.
normal shard
That answers that then. lol
I looked that up. I think it's kinda cool. I think my problem is that the empire's ships generally have shapes I dislike. The exception being ones like that Nebula one you mentioned.
opal birch
The Nebula is actually a New Republic design from Legends
normal shard
Oh pfft, well that explains my enjoyment of its shape then.
humble yacht
You know what’s total bs? Using the inquisitor lightsaber as a helicopter rotor
normal shard
Yeeaahh, that was the only thing in Rebels that I thought was entirely stupid.
humble yacht
Plasma blades wouldn’t generate lift
normal shard
I also just don't like the blaster-saber, but that's more of my personal dislike than anything objective.
humble yacht
They’d burn up the air instead of displacing it
opal birch
That bit made laugh so hard
barren ferry
You know what’s total bs? Using the inquisitor lightsaber as a helicopter rotor
That is one part of rebels I hate
humble yacht
The blaster saber was ugly but it made sense for early Ezra
barren ferry
Then again I hate rebels overall
humble yacht
I love rebels overall
barren ferry
"hey let's have thrawn lose to space WHALES"
opal birch
At least Maul quickly shut them down
barren ferry
"this will definitely help the star wars fans in future debates too, lol"
normal shard
I honestly found that charming, but hey! That's just me.
barren ferry
The ISDs should have demolished those creatures.
But they don't take a single one out.
opal birch
Also both in Canon and Legends Thrawn loses to things he can't anticipate.
normal shard
It's such an absurd idea for a creature, but I fell in love with them because of the wackiness.
barren ferry
Yes, but those were logical and in events I could see happening.
In rebels, that's akin to pitting a horde of rhinos against a bunch of M1 Abrams
Sure the crews would be surprised, for a second or two
normal shard
I tried to type part of a book title and got censored. Sigh.
barren ferry
But training and experience would eventually kick in for even the dumbest commander to open fire and unleash hell on the rhinos.
normal shard
Let's try again: Thrawn is the Space Moby [I'm not allowed to type this last word in this discord]
barren ferry
Thrawns death, in his own words was artistically done.
Space whales charging head on towards the ships is not artistically done, it's a stupid plan that would have gotten them killed.
opal birch
I'm fine with it, we're getting potentially more Thrawn anyway in future content
barren ferry
After that embarrassing showing, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone just laughs whenever he comes on screen in the future.
versed helm
Does the UNSC Marine Corps still use the Semper Fidelis motto?
normal shard
I mean, Thrawn loses to a kid, and then Thrawn loses to a kid utilizing space whales. I don't really have a problem with this either.
humble yacht
Didn’t you ask that earlier?
versed helm
I'm pretty sure nobody answered
opal birch
They've inherited a lot of USMC traditions
barren ferry
Thrawn doesn't lose to a kid in the EU, he gets assassinated by one of his own advisors.
He doesn't get beaten by the enemy just forming a stupid plan
versed helm
@barren ferry He gets killed by his own bodyguard
normal shard
That person was just following their job description. Bodyguard. He can guard the body, even if it isn't alive.
barren ferry
LOL
opal birch
Did you not see Mando season 2, Brendan?
barren ferry
Nah not really. I'm fine with spoilers though.
Although I'm sure some people in the chat aren't
opal birch
I'll dm you then
normal shard
I personally don't care; I'll forget by the time I watch the series lmao.
But yeah, I'm obviously not the only person still here.
fair hazel
Halo fighters definitely edge out Star Wars ones and halo ships same by far
Shadows of reach was good on that
opal birch
I'm not talking about capabilities, I'm talking about the ships purely on aesthetics. And I like Galactic Republic and Rebel/New Republic starfighters a lot more.
Star Wars was my introduction to sci-fi and fantasy when I was a little kid in the late 90s so I'll admit I'm a lot more attached to that franchise than Halo.
I remember playing Rogue Squadron on the N64
That game and X-Wing Alliance solidified my love for the X-Wing as my personal favorite starfighter
normal shard
I'm the opposite. I was always more attached to Halo and its ships are more interesting to me imo. However Star Wars tech can be looked at in depth, which I also like.
Also, Star Wars fighters just make more sense to me. lol
opal birch
I mean tech in halo (at least human tech) can be explained in depth relatively easily.
normal shard
Sure, but it always seemed like Star Wars went way more in-depth. Maybe I've gotten the wrong impression though.
young mortar
What modern day special forces are the ODSTs most related to
I personally think that they are more closely related to the SAS
normal shard
Since there's an airborne special forces unit (actually quite a few), I'm going with airborne.
normal shard
Okay, I wasn't disagreeing with you..
normal shard
k.
young mortar
I'm surprised there ain't any angry Americans saying that they are related to the seals, or delta force. You know how those angry Americans always are.
normal shard
Thanks for your views on Americans, I guess.
versed helm
That type of behaviour is unnecessary.
normal shard
Agreed.
young mortar
I know I'm sorry its just how I was raised
versed helm
Your upbringing is not related to Halo.
young mortar
Agreed, which Is why I would like to talk about ODSTs now
versed helm
The topic clearly needs to be changed. Do you think that Spec Ops Elites ever resorted to using the UNSC's weapons?
young mortar
They might of to gain an understanding of how they work to better counter them
But I think they only would've used UNSC weapons if they have to like they ran out of ammo or they lost their own weapons, but I don't see why they would want to use UNSC weapons as covenant weapons are kinda superior.
foggy forge
in sangheili society, it was extremely dishonorable to use human weapons.
elfin rose
where was that mentioned
Elites have been known to use Human weapons even during the Human Covenant War
@young mortar They even used them during the events of Halo 2
to kill the Flood
foggy forge
it was in some videos, and some halopedia arcticles
carmine sleet
The player giving Elites human weapons in Halo 2 doesn't mean that the Elites serving the Covenant didn't see it as dishonourable to use human weapons
young mortar
Couldn't of said it any better myself slipstream
Plus we're talking about spec ops elites not the generic ones we see in halo 2
versed helm
Other than gameplay-related reasons, why is Thel able to operate the UNSC's weapons?
main hill
A brute barbecue is essentially their shift guarding human prisoners
main hill
No problem, I was raised to hate Americans
no need to be sorry, Americans hate Americans too
versed helm
You can't speak on the behalf of a country's entire population.
main hill
The entire modern day American political system of the US works off Americans hating other Americans so I mean.
versed helm
That is a valid point, lol.