#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 462

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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As if we would be so lucky

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Are we just gonna forget the prometheans or?

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 PM

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And now I can only imagine Ghost in thr Shell style Sangheili androids

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I tend to try and forget them

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:51 PM

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cedar surge Are we just gonna forget the prometheans or?

Sadly, they had their free will removed so they're not all that interesting at the moment.

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Pretty much, I feel sorry for those who grew up with h4 and h5 as their intro to the series

steep ether Mar 4, 2021, 11:17 PM

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at least 343 is going to make Infinite begginer friendly

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Well of the warden has his personality there must be other high ranking prometheans with personalities right?

stable flower Mar 5, 2021, 12:00 AM

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Ol' Eshy versus Warden anyone?

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Three hundred IIIs fought “thousands” of Covenant at one point, which was considered monumental by their efforts. Ash in.. One Denning Novel, described killing a couple dozen Keepers in 15 minutes.. or so

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All in all, they seem to be a match in combat for no more than 10 Covenant forces per unit — which is quite similar to my K/D ratio playing spartan ops on Legendary

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Pog

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 1:22 AM

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terse lava Pretty much, I feel sorry for those who grew up with h4 and h5 as their intro to...

I grew up with 2 3 4 5

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Not 1

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Started with 3

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Played the campaign

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Because I didnt have xbox 360 livd

tender cove Mar 5, 2021, 1:24 AM

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hm

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I start with ODst, Halo reach , CE , H4 , then halo 2, 5, 3

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im so messed up

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 1:25 AM

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I played reach and odst as well

tender cove Mar 5, 2021, 1:25 AM

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because i have to get my hands on ODST, Halo Reach , Ce , H4
copies, "unlicensed"

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then i get my xbox one and then i get all of em MCC and Halo 5

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thats how i understand the chronological order

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 1:25 AM

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I beat all the halo games during January

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2021

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The ones I hadn't beat

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1

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2

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Odst

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Poor guys at that space station

stable flower Mar 5, 2021, 5:23 AM

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That reminds me, I wonder if anyone on the ODPs survived when Cortana EMPed Earth

fair hazel Mar 5, 2021, 5:32 AM

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stuff doesn't magically fall out of the sky unless it's not in a stable trajectory

stable flower Mar 5, 2021, 5:36 AM

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I'm talking in terms of life support

steep ether Mar 5, 2021, 5:40 AM

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its not like odsts just sit in their dropods alone in orbit

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Hmm

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Well

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I'm screwed

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-Odst Jacobs

steep ether Mar 5, 2021, 6:05 AM

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go watch the first cutscene in odst

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 7:50 AM

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What do you mean

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I know how odst drop pods work

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 AM

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I can imagine Chief steering his pod into an enemy to kill it lol

surreal berry Mar 5, 2021, 11:58 AM

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i hope veta lopis has a return in game but the ony only problem is shes on the ark in fall of reach

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 1:08 PM

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*divine wind

surreal berry Mar 5, 2021, 1:34 PM

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wtf

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 1:38 PM

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yes thats the new book

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and we see veta with the keepers in shadows of reach,not fall of reach

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 2:04 PM

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You may think grunts and jackals are small but put them in comparison it's kinda scary

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 2:25 PM

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jackals and grunts are as tall as normal humans

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 2:28 PM

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The average height of an Unggoy is approximately five feet tall. I don't think that the humans have a similar range, lol.

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 2:28 PM

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well grunts are slightly shorter

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but this is a good comparison

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look how tall that infection form is

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only the jackals and grunts don't tower over humans

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 2:29 PM

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The Jackals also use a very lowered posture, meaning that I would appear to be taller, despite having an identical height to one.

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Looking at brute physiology, they’re ridiculously stocky

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Their latissimus and quads are like, nearly twice as wide as a strongman’s (even of similar height). No wonder they’re so heavy

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Eh, maybe 50 percent. But still

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 3:21 PM

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The Jackals are actually 7 feet tall, their just hunched over all the time either taking aim or taking cover behind their shields

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Yeah especially in 4

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With their big heads

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They’re actually bigger than chief sometimes

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 3:22 PM

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And then there are Sharkqoui who are taller than hunters

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Yeah they’re chonks

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I’d like if the official Covenant MBT is something like an exotic Hunter colony

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That’d be awesome

normal shard Mar 5, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Hello, if anyone has a moment, I was wondering what the Didact used to move Master Chief around in Halo 4, with the flick of his wrist.

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 3:54 PM

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main hill The Jackals are actually 7 feet tall, their just hunched over all the time eithe...

According to Halopedia, you are incorrect.

unique rune Mar 5, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Hello, if anyone has a moment, I was wondering what the Didact used to move Master Chief around in Halo 4, with the flick of his wrist.
He used a... constraint field, I think it's called?

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https://www.halopedia.org/Constraint_field

normal shard Mar 5, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Oh! Thanks for the tip and link. 😄

steep ether Mar 5, 2021, 4:28 PM

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pulsar pivot I know how odst drop pods work

how would they die then?

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 4:43 PM

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versed helm According to Halopedia, you are incorrect.

6'2-6'8

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still towers over most people

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 4:57 PM

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main hill still towers over most people

Yes, Kig-Yar tower over people in their relaxed posture, but I am referring to the one they adopt in combat scenarios.

foggy forge Mar 5, 2021, 4:57 PM

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who's stronger, a brute or a gorilla?(i don't mean in a fight, i mean in terms of raw physical strength)

pulsar grail Mar 5, 2021, 5:00 PM

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which brutes

foggy forge Mar 5, 2021, 5:01 PM

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the average jiralhanae

steep ether Mar 5, 2021, 5:01 PM

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brute

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 5:03 PM

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brutes probably

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Are there any Drones within the ranks of The Banished?

humble yacht Mar 5, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Pretty sure Atriox refused to recruit them because of their lack of free thinking

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 6:30 PM

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nobody will be forced to join the banished

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except for grunts

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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He could try and convince some queens to join him, it wouldn’t count as him forcing them

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 6:55 PM

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"The Banished have numerous Unggoy in their service. They are generally regarded as mere cannon fodder and are often abused for sport by their Jiralhanae superiors.[50] A number of "thrall colonies" exist where Unggoy are bred, only to be indoctrinated into the service of the Banished; the most violent individuals are set apart and formed into suicide squads."

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that doesn't exactly sound willing

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sounds similar to what the covenant did

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curious

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I don't think that Atriox gave Let a reasonable choice too.

cedar surge Mar 5, 2021, 6:59 PM

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supplies for his ship and crew for the banished to use his ship

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sounds fair

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 6:59 PM

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He wasn't in a position to decline the offer, though.

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 7:32 PM

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The illusion of free choice.

terse lava Mar 5, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Didn't attempt to haggle either

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Though tbh, the silent shadow were likely in the room as well if Let declined

main hill Mar 5, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I think it would make more sense for him not to recruit drones because they would never be completely loyal to him, only to their queens

humble yacht Mar 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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I don’t think total loyalty was the limiting factor

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It’s not like the Keepers were truly loyal to him. They knew he didn’t believe in the Great Journey

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Think it would be 09

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(Though she didn't really make it, just removed its firing capability...somehow)

humble yacht Mar 5, 2021, 9:28 PM

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I wonder what happens to an Index after it’s used to fire a ring

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Perhaps a construct takes it back to the Library

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Or, it's destroyed and the Library fabricates a new one

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Probably not the second one, though

young mortar Mar 5, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I love how unnecessarily deep people get about lore

humble yacht Mar 5, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Given that the important part of the index is the data in it rather than the physical object, synthesis of a replacement isn’t far fetched

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Would the synthesis of a second Index be necessary?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:50 PM

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In the event of Option 2, or it being lost in some other manner, at least

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I wonder if it uses the DNA of the wielder to activate the Ring.

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Well, it does need a reclaimer for activation

young mortar Mar 5, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Is it just a normal bioscanner that the index uses to know

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Do you think that there could be Reclaimers from other species?

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:55 PM

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No

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:55 PM

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The Librarian was pretty racist, so nah.

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Because the librarian gave them the power

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Oh.

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:56 PM

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You wonder why covie cant do it

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Because They dont have the power

young mortar Mar 5, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Would that be speciest

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Racist

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Potato, potato.

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Well, I know that members of the Covenant weren't selected, lol.

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Different races of aliens

young mortar Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I prefer speciest it sounds funnier

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Ok

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I see that I have accidentally sparked another storm.

pulsar pivot Mar 5, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Quite possibly

young mortar Mar 5, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Maybe, just maybe

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HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US @versed helm

versed helm Mar 5, 2021, 9:58 PM

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;-;

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Is the beginning cutscene in halo 2 delta halo where the grunt had a master chief plushy canon?

terse lava Mar 5, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I still say the Covenant could activate halo, given enough time

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 10:37 PM

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I feel that is likely, yeah. They've been able to brute force other reclaimer-locked things before.

terse lava Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Yeah, they are more familiar with the technology then its let on. Only problem I could see would be a monitor disagreeing. Unless there was a flood outbreak too, might be desperate enough to help them

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Yeah

hollow prism Mar 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Does anyone know a site where i can read all the novels?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Amazon probably has 'em all

hollow prism Mar 5, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Don't i have to buy them? I am planning on buying but i am not able to right now and i just wanna read

unique rune Mar 5, 2021, 11:30 PM

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have you tried a public library system

hollow prism Mar 5, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yes

steep ether Mar 6, 2021, 12:03 AM

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versed helm Is the beginning cutscene in halo 2 delta halo where the grunt had a master chie...

just an easter egg

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imagine cuddling up to bed with a mini toy of someone you call a demon

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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He does also have the librarian and didact

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Hard to say regardless. H2A really spiced stuff up

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Perfect cuddle buddies for a spooked Unggoy at night

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

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I'd personally say variables like that should go as either "that grunt owns them all" or "what we saw isnt representative of canon".

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

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He found it during a raid on a human city and loved it. Perfect lore-explanation right there

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Doesn't explain the forerunner and Cortana ones though

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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neural physics

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2021, 12:19 AM

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I find variables like that are not "canon". One can say the Grunt had a toy, thats consistent. But what that toy is... well its a mystery.

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Like a good way to go about it is this. Think about everything common about the event. Then remove the variables from the equations.

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So Johnson may have variable dialogue. But till a specific line is chosen. The only important part is he had a speech.

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A case of a cutscene being canon over the other is in ODST. Its canonical that the Rookie found the Audio logs. So the Rookie whistling over the Engineer over Dare is canon as the Dare version cant happen at all.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:23 AM

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steep ether just an easter egg

Now I’m sad

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Tbh an exception to the variable thing is stuff thats fictional. So Halo 3s terminals are all canon. Despite what we experience being different per difficulty.

pulsar pivot Mar 6, 2021, 1:15 AM

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How does a glassing work

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 1:15 AM

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A lotta heat

pulsar pivot Mar 6, 2021, 1:15 AM

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So plasma

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Lots of it

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 1:21 AM

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You take plasma

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Throw it against planet

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Until the surface turns glassy

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:27 AM

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As the sound threaded around her, a deep sense of loneliness and grief filled her up and left her utterly stricken.

“End.”

She wasn’t sure if she heard that word outright or if it somehow had sprouted directly into her mind. Tears stung her eyes and she felt like she was drowning in the creature’s grief.

What the hell?

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Smoke and Shadow, page 90

pulsar pivot Mar 6, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Pog

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Something that baffles me about the needler is.. how does its targeting system guide the needles? And if it’s dependant on the range of said system, how come it still tracks people when ricocheted?

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How can it suddenly decide on who is friend or foe by whoever wields it? Say, if one moment it is tracking Chief, who kills the bearer, and then learns to track the very people just using it (when before, it avoided friendly fire)?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Never been explained

unique rune Mar 6, 2021, 4:48 AM

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it just do

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 4:59 AM

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Most importantly: why does ONI know how it works, but the Sangheili don’t?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:00 AM

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I don't think it said ONI knows

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Last I heard, the UEG and SoS scientists were jointly studying the intricacies of it.

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Bet the Merchants know and just won't share

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:03 AM

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gosh those jerks

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:05 AM

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looks at ONI can you blame them?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Nope lol

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I think the Kolaar armory and UNSC wanted to further research the nature of blamite, and ONI said no

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Implying they have an idea of what it is

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:06 AM

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I think the implication was more that ONI was wary of working too closely with Elites

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Honestly, I don’t think so. It’s mot the first time they’ve done this

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They did the same censorship thing with the Regen Field Armor plug-in

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Good old ONI, ruining the galaxy one step at a time.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Mhm, lol

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I feel like they know way more than they let off.. especially with the NOVA bomb

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Know the source, anyway?
There's this from an armor piece, but...

The ANUBIS helmet's enhanced sensor suite benefits from collaboration with allied Sangheili, though ONI security paranoia has slowed technology integration.

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It corroborates my idea.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:12 AM

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You mean for the Regen field?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Blamite

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:13 AM

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I can have a look for the quote

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UNSC and Sangheili researchers have since collaborated in an attempt to discover the properties and functions of blamite in Kolaar Manufactorum on Sanghelios. However, the results yielded from the research was listed as inaccessible by the Office of Naval Intelligence

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:14 AM

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That sounds more like the results simply weren't given to the general public

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Exactly, but why Blamite in particular?

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What about it would make ONI scared of them understanding it?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:15 AM

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They didn't want UEG citizens to use the research to more easily make very scary weaponry and make them harder to control, I assume.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Well, then they would have done the same to other ammo types I’m imagining

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Either way, it doesn't seem to imply to me that SoS researchers couldn't see their own data.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Why wouldn’t it? I mean

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Because how would that even be possible?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Because Sangheili don’t fully understand the nature of Blamite, they just know what to do with it

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:18 AM

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They obviously blindfolded all the Elites and then said "Okay, now let's research some stuff together." Duh. lmao.

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Because Sangheili don’t fully understand the nature of Blamite
And neither does the UEG. All that quote says to me is that ONI censored the research results from most people.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:19 AM

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How did the covenant manufacture what they didn't even understand

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Because they’re like monkeys banging things with a wrench and seeing what makes a sound

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Doesn’t mean you need to know the nature of it

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:20 AM

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A needler seems a bit more advanced than that

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A monkey can't make a gun

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Well

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We never seen one do it

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Well, I’m assuming they can see that when they do one thing with a Blamite crystal, it does this and that. They don’t know why, but they just know it responds that way

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:20 AM

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IRL, we were mining and using radium before we knew what that did. I assumed it was the same concept.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Did we shoot it out of a gun though

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Aha

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I found the actual source of that Halopedia quote

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Query Answer: Analysis of Human materials exploitation reports [ref: REAP-X] is inconclusive. Reports reference collaborative research with [macto cognatus] [opifex] from factional [fabricae] (ref: Kolaar Manufactorum) that are located in inaccessible [frumentarii] cores. Crystallographic analysis of [Suban] datasets is outside Catalog's purview.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I barely understand that

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I think it’s saying that some Forerunners are not even aware of its function?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Basically, it doesn't seem to imply what ya think Halopedia was tryin' to say

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:23 AM

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My theory is the scariest

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And I think the coolest

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Catalog simply wasn't able to hack into an ONI database to find out what the research results were

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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What if Blamite crystals are living entities? Silicon lifeforms

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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That would be something

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Working like Hunters, the bigger they are the more intelligent they become

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They can be “programmed” for simple functions like tracking a target when single shards.. But what would a Blamite monolith be capable of?

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It would also be a very dark plot twist for what mining their world implies

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:26 AM

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If that were the case, then I'd start giving the writers crap for running out of life-form ideas. lol

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Nah I think it has a lot of potential

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Like seeing an underground cave in Suban with some weird crystalline.. Beast akin to the Primordial

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Feel that fits better for the main Forerunner crystal that all flakes came from

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Go on..

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So like an ancilla?

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Or a Blamite sharquori

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Lol

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:30 AM

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The mantle applied to all life, energy and matter to the precursors. We know the Forerunners already failed right off the bat due to using infant univeresea as a power source

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Add the idea of all their vessels using small slices from a semi sentient crystal, and there ya go

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Hmm..

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Fits the themselves there of no matter how hard the forerunners try, they keep failing the mantle

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I think Blamite species would be an interesting mix between Flood and Lekgolo

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This is funky Halo stuff lol

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Dunno why, but just thinking about it, I'm getting Kyber Crystal vibes. lol.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Similar to that, yeah

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Blamite are kind of Kyber crystal-like

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:37 AM

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It's just used in guns instead of laser-swords, and I doubt you could make a deathstar with Blamite lol.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:38 AM

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I wouldn’t underestimate ONI lol

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Facts.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:38 AM

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They’ve made a few death star bombs

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:39 AM

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I feel like "I wouldn't underestimate ONI" is the Halo universe's version of "I have a bad feeling about this" from star wars, anyway.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:39 AM

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Yes exactly

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Oh.. what if there are native Subanese Sangheili that are crystalline in nature

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And they can’t move too quickly, so they can vanish from being immaterial to “flesh” to traverse around

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Similar to how the needler turns from “gas” to solid to reload

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:40 AM

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I like the idea of a new species made of crystal, but I'd immediately hate it if they fell back on the Elites.

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I want new stuff, ya know? lol.

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I think a dev or something even said there's like a ton of species we've not seen yet, in the galaxy.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:42 AM

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Maybe the Precursor to the Elite species, since they’re part of the same “family” system

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The Urs system

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Here's my issue with that; The Elites were likely not the only creature on their homeworld, let alone home-system. So with that said, it's like saying if we found a new species on Io, in the Solar System, then it must be related to humans. That's just not how life forms or thrives.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Well, maybe one of many. But I wouldn’t see coincidence in the Sangheili of all species thriving as they have on their homeworld

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Essentially their Geas made it so

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:47 AM

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I'm just saying, with every species they've added, it's been unique because life can come in SO many different varieties. So if they roll up and say "Look at this new creature in the Halo Universe! It's the Elites but crystal-y." It's just kind of boring, if you're rehashing the same design.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Yeah, I get not wanting the universe to feel small

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I feel like Star Wars runs into that problem a lot

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Somewhat, though they manage to at least pump in a lot of different, unique cultures and languages etc. It's not fair to compare though. Star Wars has been at it for a long while.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Yohnet moment

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I think the solution is to just not introduce it as a “new” species, but a further extension of one

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Which also conjuncts two related bodies anyway, the Needler and Elites

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Hm...

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:50 AM

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normal shard I'm just saying, with every species they've added, it's been unique because life...

https://www.halopedia.org/Yonhet

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Its a human

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But with the face of a alien

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:50 AM

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So, with that said on Species: Halo has space apes, space jellyfish, space birds and lizards, space crabs, insectoids...

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Wurms

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Space eels, yeah

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Dinosaurs

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Bears

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Rats

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Elites and Brutes

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Ooh rats

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Blind wolves

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:51 AM

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How would that work..

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Nah, the fully sentient ones

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I’m thinking

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Like skaven?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:52 AM

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How about Covenant Arachnids

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:52 AM

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So drones

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:52 AM

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No more bugs pls. 😦

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Nah Drones are more insect

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:53 AM

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So these would just shoot their web at you

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:53 AM

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No, not necessarily straight up arachnids, but similar to them

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Turtle Covies?

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Weasel or Rat-like covenant species would be amusing, I wonder how that would work

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:56 AM

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I feel that new species are gonna have to be more creative than just a earth animal but alien

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So the skaven

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:56 AM

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I always had this idea for an alien race, for the Halo Universe. It's a lil weird though. You know the cliche grey aliens that everyone calls "The Greys" I hear? What if that was a race that focused entirely on stealth, and covertly steals tech from other races (like UFO's IRL or something) and they've been doing this to try and be technologically superior to everyone else, in case they are ever discovered?

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I know it's a bit dumb, but just wanted to share my idea.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Cool idea

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But wouldn't it have to be a small nation

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Since a doubt a large one could do this

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Yeah, likely so. Or it just inhabits weird regions, that no one would expect a life-form to be building in.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Like space

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:57 AM

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lol

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Seriously everybody would expect for you to live in a solar system

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Nobody expects for you to live in the middle of nowhere

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Yeah, you actually have a very good point. If they had structures similar to High Charity that lived on its own and had supplies brought to it.

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Definitely wouldn't be a major species of any kind, but it would be amusing to see how all the other races reacted to them suddenly being found and having just a mix of everyone's tech.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:59 AM

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cedar surge I feel that new species are gonna have to be more creative than just a earth ani...

That’s why you mix with another species, like how Brutes are Gorrila-Bear-Rhinos

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But predominantly Gorilla-like

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:00 AM

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normal shard I always had this idea for an alien race, for the Halo Universe. It's a lil weir...

That was experimented in the cut Halo MMO

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Little grey aliens

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:01 AM

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I didn't know this, and I'd wager that a good portion of the fanbase probably doesn't know either.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Mm, I can share in DM

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And to be fair, the new Halo 4 Sangheili already look like they work for the government so I can imagine it

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 6:03 AM

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You calling the government lizard people?

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:03 AM

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I mean, yeah, but that's common knowledge now, right? xD

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And instead of the Illuminati, Halo has the Illumin-ONI.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:04 AM

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My School Librarian was a lizard person, so I can easily see more of them around

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:05 AM

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There needs to be a shark race of aliens.

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I wanna fight that.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:05 AM

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Halo 3 elites were a little Shark-like

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Nah, I mean like mostly shark based.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Could be

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But if they’re fully shark-based, they wouldn’t walk on land

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Make us fight in the ocean. Or heck, idc, make us fight sharks in outer space itself.

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If Star Wars can have space whales, Halo can have space sharks.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Ooh, your pfp game me an idea

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:08 AM

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(I write that, not knowing if Star Wars also has space sharks, but still)

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Owl-like Covenant

normal shard Mar 6, 2021, 6:08 AM

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lol. I'd like that. Owls look menacing on Earth anyway.

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Or they could go full weeb and make a Tengu-like race of aliens. (Not like Jackals, like Tengu)

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:10 AM

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I don’t know what Tengu are

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But they could be Jackal-like, but more elegant

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Perhaps with flight ability, too

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Covenant Wolves and Cats are a little too on the nose, as I can’t imagine cats and dogs being anti-human

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But perhaps Forerunner-era Lion-people

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That sort of stuff

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I’d love to see a Halo take on The Stranger from Oddworld, for example

flint parrot Mar 6, 2021, 6:18 AM

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This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded. This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:21 AM

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I liked it in the classic cutscene where he wraps around chief’s visor

pulsar pivot Mar 6, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Their should be some sort of boss thing like in halo 5 firefight in halo infinite but stinged around the map

main hill Mar 6, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Everybody gangsta till 343 decides to make RvB canon

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Lmao

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Let us not

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😭

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 8:06 AM

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As a big RvB fan, I'd rather it be kept in its own continuity. Way too many changes would need to be made to fit it into Halo

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Like, I think a version of the characters from RvB could exist within Halo but they're not the same as how they are in RvB

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 8:23 AM

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Yeah, that’s fair

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I’m okay with that, so long as it’s only the original band of characters from the early seasons

placid topaz Mar 6, 2021, 8:28 AM

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Master Chief Vs Godzilla?
Who wins in battle?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 8:46 AM

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Godzilla would probably tread on him by accident. I don't think that this is a reasonable comparison of prowess, regardless.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 9:11 AM

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Godzilla would probably tread on him by accident

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Eeexactly! That’s an advantage, keeping a low profile

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 9:12 AM

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Being stepped on by something the size of a skyscraper and saying that Chief was keeping a low profile isn't really much of an argument for why Chief won

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 9:14 AM

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But who said he did? Godzilla?

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I doubt that John's armour could sustain the sheer mass that would be exerted onto it.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 9:56 AM

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This is all assuming that he gets stomped on XD

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Who says Godzilla knows where he is

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John would likely succumb to either the surrounding collateral damage or Godzilla himself, lol.

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He always happens to be in the right place.. heh

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Could a bubble shield survive being walked on by Godzilla?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I highly doubt the shield could sustain that amount of force and pressure, lmao.

placid topaz Mar 6, 2021, 11:18 AM

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oo

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What about Chief Vs Hulk

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 11:27 AM

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Which version of Hulk?

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Because there's allot

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Like Grey Hulk, Professor Hulk, Worldbreaker Hulk, etc

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 11:35 AM

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The Hulk would probably crush John with his bare hands.

placid topaz Mar 6, 2021, 11:41 AM

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carmine sleet Which version of Hulk?

idk, just best Chief Vs Best Hulk lol

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Didn't need to tag me and best Hulk doesn't really help narrow it down since it's pretty subjective which Hulk is the best

placid topaz Mar 6, 2021, 11:44 AM

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idk any hulks lmao 🤣

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 11:49 AM

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Pretty certain most iterations of Hulk would destroy the Master Chief

safe inlet Mar 6, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Yeah

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 11:51 AM

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so that would be a terrible match up

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:02 PM

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Marvel characters are mindless

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Dr Strange and Spiderman.. could be interesting, but they’re not

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:07 PM

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What do you mean when you say mindless?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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They don’t require much thought into their layout

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Halo was starting to run into that problem with 5

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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What?

south matrix Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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How would hulk fair against Warden no so eternal

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Superheroes

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Big boom laser face hand cannons, it’s boring

south matrix Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Warden is bacially about the size of a hulk

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:09 PM

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You know exactly how they will respond to every encounter

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:09 PM

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Way to oversimplify and misunderstand some of the most iconic characters created in the past century

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:10 PM

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I really don't see how any of this is related to Halo.

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Lol, if you need to intellectually “understand” why something is supposed to be good then you’re sad

south matrix Mar 6, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Alright. I have a question

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How would halo unsc weapons fare against current ones we have

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In real life

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:11 PM

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UNSC weapons are much better than those we have IRL, they are 500 year into the future, it'd be odd if they didn't make improvements

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:12 PM

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versed helm Lol, if you need to intellectually “understand” why something is supposed to be ...

This makes zero sense. Are you saying I am sad?

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Because if so, maybe cool it on the insults to people because they disagree with you on something

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Cool your jets

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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What about that makes me sound angry?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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I’m just saying, they ain’t for me

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Ok, then just say that instead of calling people sad

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 PM

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Well I do pity their poor souls for liking them

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Lol

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 PM

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How would you like it if someone claimed you were a "poor soul" or "sad" because you enjoyed video games?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:15 PM

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south matrix How would halo unsc weapons fare against current ones we have

The Commando’s close in diameter to some newer weapon calibers made today, in terms of ergonomics it depends

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:16 PM

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carmine sleet How would you like it if someone claimed you were a "poor soul" or "sad" because...

I’d get angry because they made a good point

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Didn't need to tag me and you've missed the point I'm getting at. Don't insult other's for their interests if they aren't the same as your own

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:18 PM

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I didn’t insult anyone

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you called someone sad though

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:19 PM

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You called people "sad" and "poor souls" for liking comic book characters

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Hahaha

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It sounds funnier out loud

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Let’s stick to halo and avoid insulting others

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:21 PM

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Just my opinion that I like characters with a little.. something to their combat. It’s what got me so hyped for Infinite’s multi-equipment mechanic

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Expanding on the toolkit fleshes out his character while expanding gameplay

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Genius, really

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I’m already thinking of lore ideas for where these pieces could entail

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Characters shouldn't be defined by how they fight. While yes, it is important to see how different characters fight in different ways, that shouldn't be the defining characteristic of a character

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Master Chief's defining characteristics are very much his stoic personality and his will to keep fighting when the odds are so stacked against him, such as in Halo 4

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Doesn't matter whether he can use a bubble shield or an auto sentry in gameplay, those don't define the character

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:25 PM

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carmine sleet Master Chief's defining characteristics are very much his stoic personality and ...

he's my favorite character for this reason, he's so badass

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Didn't need to tag me but aye, it does make him a favourite of many

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:26 PM

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yeah sorry about that haha

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Combat is what we see him do most, though; as well as the fact that he is edging to death like no other activity could bring, it really should display their pure character form

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 12:27 PM

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We play as Chief in most the games, we choose how he handles the encounters. Who he is as a character matters little to the gameplay spaces and how they are designed

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If Halo was a hero shooter like Overwatch, then that would matter more since characters would have specific abilities to them. But that's not what Halo is

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 12:28 PM

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That brings me back to why Chief was originally a quasi-blank slate

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Heroes could be done right, if their plethora of abilities are challenged, but so far I haven’t seen it

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Hm.. Maybe Raimi’s Spiderman was close

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Can I as a normal human fight h2h with any covenant race?

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@versed helm it’s hard to say

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How so?

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Humans are terribly built for combat and are very fragile, with the exception of genetically augmented ones

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I disagree were really good at combat we dominate everything on this planet

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Your chances of survival are dependent on several factors. There isn't a definite answer to that question if you don't provide a very detailed and specific situation.

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 1:16 PM

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versed helm I disagree were really good at combat we dominate everything on this planet

On this planet, yes, we're the dominant species, doesn't mean we'll fare as well against something like the Elites

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:16 PM

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versed helm I disagree were really good at combat we dominate everything on this planet

That’s like saying you’re a heavyweight champ as an adult because all of your opponents were toddlers

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Ok so let's say I'm an average mam of height and build I lost my gun an elite or brute is charging at me do I stand a chance against him?

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An Elite would crack your head open with a casual swipe, Brutes are even worse than that

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Why human so weak? 🥺 I think the halo devs are speciesist

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They’re also faster than any human, exceptional people like Bruce Lee would just appear to be mediocre by their standards

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Then how did we manage to win?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:18 PM

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versed helm Then how did we manage to win?

Master chef

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:19 PM

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versed helm Why human so weak? 🥺 I think the halo devs are speciesist

They didn’t grow up with Moa Pringles and video games

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Humanity employed various strategies and tactics that exploited weaknesses of the Covenant. Their victory was not caused by physical strength, lol.

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We won because we kidnapped children and -

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Humans didn’t win for their physical stature, I’d say it’s more their emotional qualities that Covenant had no answer for

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They were a lot more structured and predictable in comparison

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You could also argue that the Sangheili played a very important role in defeating the Covenant too.

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That as well

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I honestly don’t think there’s any Covenant member humans could best. Especially modern day humans

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Not even grunts?

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Maybe an Unggoy if you’re in very good shape and skilled enough for some rabbit punches

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What about the prophets?

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The Unggoy are surprisingly strong.

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I think a human could defeat a prophet

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Yeah you’d need to look out for being riped apart by Unggoy

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The Prophets have those gravity chairs which are weaponised, lol.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:23 PM

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versed helm What about the prophets?

Yeah they’re in our range

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:23 PM

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versed helm What about the prophets?

Young sheng suum or something is actually very strong

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Oh, Prelates? Forget it

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A prelate would knock out 5 people in a ring before bystanders could process the fact the first was struck

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What are prelate? The name for young seng shuum???

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Yeah

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O ok

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They are augmented soldiers.

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They’re very fast

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From what I know San’Shyuum now are either very frail or augmented, nothing in between

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Why is that so? What made them, weaker?

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I suppose somewhat similar to what made us weaker

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Arrogance, laziness

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They’re powerful in other ways though

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But yeah that’s very interesting

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D’aw, deleted before I could respond lol

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Oh well. But yeah

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Nah I realized what I said was cringe

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Fair

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I don’t care, either way

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But anyway, so Prelates are insanely quick, Grunts are insanely strong, Elites are somewhere between those two and Brutes are all of that dialed to 11

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Minus the agility. Still pretty agile for their size though

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Grunts are strong?

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Oh yeah

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They’re as heavy as Arnold Schwarzenegger despite being a foot shorter

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Plus they have that crustacean-like strength, having both an endo and exoskeleton

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Hmmm

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They’re built like gorillas

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GRUNTS?!

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Yeah!

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I never thought of them like that

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The games never rlly shows that

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Have a look at some AI battles with them, they’re huge

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Just shows them being funny and weak

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Ik, the games suck at showing scale of things

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Fax

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You’d never think a flood spore is like a meter tall

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Or the Needler is as big as your chest

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:36 PM

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versed helm You’d never think a flood spore is like a meter tall

wait

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Ya

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Now your making these up

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Nope. It’s nightmare fuel

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When you mean spore, you mean, like the infection forms?

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And the needles.... that’s...

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Yeah, right the infection forms

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I have a habit of calling them spores

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Have since I was 5

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That’s ok. I can see why

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Wait, no.. Halo 3

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Shipmaster mentioned “one single flood spore” so I just took it as meaning the smallest flood in the game XD

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Well I know that grunts are like 5 feet tall

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Yeah

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:39 PM

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versed helm Shipmaster mentioned “one single flood spore” so I just took it as meaning the s...

I see...

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But they’re much wider than humans

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Yeah now I imagine a marine and grunt next to each other and that’s true

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They’re slow, though

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If you’re skilled, hitting them in a sensitive area could concuss them

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But you’d still need a lot of force to pull it off, like ODST strength

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Yes... you are a lore master when it comes to species

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Lmao, in some ways I su-

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When I watch a lore video I forget 90% of what they just said

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Oh...

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It’s Samuel Hayden

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:42 PM

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versed helm When I watch a lore video I forget 90% of what they just said

LOL

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:42 PM

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I have a question, so was Cortana given the Logic Plague?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Shouldn’t he be- like-

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I don't need to be reminded about shooting holes into the surface of Mars.

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You can’t just shoot a hole into the surface of mars

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Ffs

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Oh right, you asked a question

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I don’t know, dude. Maybe, I got the impression but after H5 Cortana story is off the rails

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Whoever thought Evil cortana could get the green light is delirious

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Cortana is not logic plagued, she wasn't speaking with the Gravemind anywhere near long enough for that to be the case

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Can’t the Logic Plague be planted like a seed, and germinate a few years later?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:46 PM

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versed helm Yeah now I imagine a marine and grunt next to each other and that’s true

Jackals are the ones people think they can take on the most cause they look like skinny dudes. But besides their giant teeth and claws, they’re also nearly as fast as a Spartan 3, and their hands can dent a car roof

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:47 PM

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versed helm Jackals are the ones people think they can take on the most cause they look like...

I’m just trying to take in what you said about their hands hold on

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Sure

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Aren’t Jackals literally bird-people with hollow bones?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Depends

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“Dent” ok not that bad makes sense

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I always thought of jackals as animal-like so when you said speed I wasn’t surprised

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Unless you’re talking about Skirmishers there’s no way they’d dent a car.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Aren’t skirmishers the same species?

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No, the Halo 4 offshoots are also durable

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They’re reptilians

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:50 PM

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versed helm Aren’t skirmishers the same species?

They’re related like how a Leopard is to a Lion

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:50 PM

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versed helm Aren’t skirmishers the same species?

No, they’re exclusively seen on Reach, they’re a Sub-Species

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:50 PM

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Ok ok. So pretty close. Just a small difference

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Yeah that’s very interesting

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:50 PM

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alpine cipher Can’t the Logic Plague be planted like a seed, and germinate a few years later?

Back to my discussion

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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They’re from a high gravity planetoid, so they needed to be more muscular and rugged

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Yeah it’s Natural Selection

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:51 PM

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alpine cipher Back to my discussion

I got that impression

alpine cipher Mar 6, 2021, 1:52 PM

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I hope 343 confirms her infection

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:52 PM

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I have no idea where to go with Cortana

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The only person I trust to do it correctly is Staten

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:57 PM

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versed helm I have no idea where to go with Cortana

The “harbinger” mentioned, is most likely talking about cortana (I’m talking about the gameplay demo final cutscene where the brute guy talks)

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So like the banished teamed with her maybe

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 1:57 PM

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The banished wouldn't work swith cortana

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They goals conflict

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They both want to conquer

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And cortana wouldn't let the banished stay the banished

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Unless 343 want a to do more backtracking like the banished views on humans in the banished

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Yeah I don’t want that. I like the banished how they are. Having to do with Cortana IMO will ruin them

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:04 PM

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versed helm The only person I trust to do it correctly is Staten

he wasn't brought on to do anything regarding story, just to help get the game out of the door on schedule

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:04 PM

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He’s Head of Creative

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That encompasses story liberties

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:05 PM

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He’s already played through the game. The story is written

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Team leaders don’t do any writing themselves

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Yes... because they're going to rewrite the story a year before the game is scheduled to come out, that makes a lot of sense.

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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T hey help things get moving in the right direction

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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He can still set the tone, adjust the mood of how things play through better

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:06 PM

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They organize, they delegate

south matrix Mar 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I'll like to ask about the recent release of halsey journal

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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The story is set in stone at this point

south matrix Mar 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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so erm, what does halsey's journal answer besides answering why "Spartan" was the name chosen for the supersoldier programme

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Bruh. Reality is simply that staten’s influence on the story is minimal.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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south matrix so erm, what does halsey's journal answer besides answering why "Spartan" was t...

Halsey’s journal has a lot of tidbits about MJOLNIR and her musings about the program and stuff

cedar surge Mar 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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I feel like you just want a Bungie story

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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No chance it’s mundane. Having someone of his stature will substantially affect the overall feeling of the game

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Also halsey’s journal was first released back in 2010, not exactly recent

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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cedar surge I feel like you just want a Bungie story

What does this mean

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Staten also worked on crackdown 3. Look how that went Postums

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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And Recore

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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He’s not king Midas

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:10 PM

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This is Halo, his drive is obviously going to be higher. Those other games were probably just himself trying to settle into leadership

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Context matters

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:12 PM

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You're projecting a lot of assumptions onto Staten's mindset

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:12 PM

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He’s just a guy, he’s fallible. His attachment to the game does not ensure its success. We can only hope it ends up being good

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Assuming he’s some god who can magically make halo super relevant again is just plain delusional

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Never claimed that

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But he’s clearly a veteran when it comes to handling the kind of chaos Infinite has been under

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Yeah which is why he was brought aboard in an organizational capacity

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He’s not Joss Whedoning Justice League

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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That’s a pretty robotic lens to see it through, though. More importantly is the overall feeling the game brings. Solid mechanics and a hood story are nothing if the game has no spirit

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Staten isn’t the only one who can bring spirit

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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So far, he’s the only one I can reflect on. I still remember watching the old documentsries of Halo CE, 2 and 3 — it was strange to see where the origin of the overall vibe came from. It sounds corny, but Halo really is about the people behind it, not whether the game’s entertaining or not

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:18 PM

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And I'd be more concerned about the state of the game if they're trying to change the tone or feeling of the game when we're supposed to be less than a year out from release.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Again a very mechanical-do this-do that disposition. If that’s all games are, I wouldn’t be playing them for long

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Others would, which sure, you do that

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Is Halo Infinite’s DLC going to be explained by a news anchor or something

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:24 PM

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The development of a video game still has a bloody workflow. If you're making major changes to a game a year out before release, you're not very good at project management or something is very wrong with the game.

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Look at Star Citizen as a prime example of how not to management a project.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:28 PM

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I didn’t say anything about changing the story, I’m talking about changing how well the story is conveyed, with a clear “workflow” felt in the playthroughs. The identity needs to be clear

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:30 PM

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that's not gonna happen with less than a year to go dude, that stuff would already be done by now

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Halo 2’s final build was made in 10 months

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Staten and his crew could make some hasty, yet efficient adjustments

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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And that's not something that should be replicated

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Not something to be proud of when you see how much story was taken out that would have made sense

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:33 PM

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unless you want the devs to do a stupid amount of crunch

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:35 PM

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They will have to, either way. The question is how well they can do it without straining themselves and retaining the overall vision of how they want this to feel like

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Not, getting carried away in details

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Maybe what they want it to feel like simply won’t be something you don’t like

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:35 PM

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If it’s got heart, it can never be too shabby

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:36 PM

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I think you’re confusing things you don’t like for things that lack heart

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:36 PM

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and crunch is something that should be minimized as much as possible

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:36 PM

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humble yacht I think you’re confusing things you don’t like for things that lack heart

Such as, what

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Halo 5, for instance: widely criticized story, but I wouldn’t say it lacked heart or that the devs weren’t passionate about making it

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Yet it was pretty shabby

opal birch Mar 6, 2021, 2:38 PM

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saying whether something's got heart is pretty subjective

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:38 PM

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But not fickle

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:39 PM

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humble yacht Halo 5, for instance: widely criticized story, but I wouldn’t say it lacked hear...

I’m certain it has. But whether the final product clouded the original center of inspiration or not is another question

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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A question that will never be answered

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Also don’t tag mods except for emergencies

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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It automatically switches it on

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Turn it off

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I do, it throws me off guard

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At the last quarter second

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Well that’s why I’m reminding you

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Fair enough

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What I really was saying is that, a good game is felt, and you can’t achieve that sensation by cheating around that sense of.. empathy, between the players and devs. All chaos that spirals after such is always just showing how far the game’s deviated, even if they’re just preteen whiners

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Yeah and different people feel different things

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So not sure what your point is

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 2:45 PM

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But that just highlights emotions as being fickle again

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I don’t care who the person that made the game is, when you can really feel how well they pulled off their own vision, without intellectual hurdles getting in the way, everyone notices

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I am so thankful that we didn't see aliens - who communicate through dancing - in Halo 2.

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Why would that have been so bad?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 3:06 PM

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I just wouldn't be able to take them seriously.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 3:11 PM

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versed helm I don’t care who the person that made the game is, when you can really feel how ...

I disagree. As much as I hate to agree with Dex, a lot of people don’t care how much passion devs put into a project. The just care if it’s fun

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Yeah how fun the game is,, and the storyline are the main priorities for a customer playing a game.

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If the game ended up lousy, why would the player care if the devs were passionate?

tepid harbor Mar 6, 2021, 5:27 PM

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so im confused. what exactly did halo reach retcon that people dont like?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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I believe that it removed some of the events from the novel, Halo: The Fall of Reach.

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There is a page that lists of all the inconsistencies on Halopedia: https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_inconsistencies_in_the_Halo_series

main hill Mar 6, 2021, 6:06 PM

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I know one of the things was that Halsey didn’t know about the Spartan IIIs in Fall of a Reach

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Is it that she didn’t know, or that the novel simply didn’t mention them

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Iirc spartan 3s weren’t written in until ghosts of onyx

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And iirc she called all remaining Spartans on reach to her so she could abscond with them off the planet

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Ghosts of Onyx was indeed the first piece of material that introduced us to the Spartan III Program.

stable flower Mar 6, 2021, 6:28 PM

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And that the Fall of Reach occurred on August 30th, and the POA arrived at Reach on that date.

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Can Spartan IVs experience the adverse effects of PTSD?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Yes.

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Why would ya think they can't?

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I was just unsure about how the augments would affect the brain. I also wondered if they targeted particular neurotransmitters.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 9:00 PM

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The original spartan IVs had adverse brain effects

main hill Mar 6, 2021, 9:04 PM

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And that’s how you get that one Insurrectionist person

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Ilsa Zane

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Aye. Plus, you can't exactly just get rid of PTSD from someone. It stays with people and while there are methods of dealing with it, they're different for each person with it

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 9:06 PM

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humble yacht The original spartan IVs had adverse brain effects

Did it affect their endocrine system in a particular way?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2021, 9:14 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Read initiation

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That sort of info is probably too technical to make it into canon

versed helm Mar 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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A part of me thinks that N'tho accidentally activated some form of PTSD for Spartan Kodiak.

terse lava Mar 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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He did, seeing as apparently during the war he fought Kodiak and took his arm.

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 12:14 AM

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humble yacht I disagree. As much as I hate to agree with Dex, a lot of people don’t care how ...

Only because their ability to even feel gets numbed with the modern orientation of gaming principles. There’s a reason why people turn out that way, and it always has to do with devs (and therefore, the players), forgetting the core of why they wanted the game to start with. The end goal is always trying to bring back that sense of wonder everyone had the first time playing, and the only thing preventing it is forebrain conflicts and and “sides”

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Who are you to say if the devs forgot the core of why they started making the game?

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Their ability to feel gets numbed?

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 12:18 AM

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in crunch time their ability to feel gets crunched

opal birch Mar 7, 2021, 12:24 AM

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his entire stance here is based on things that are extremely subjective

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Feels that way

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 12:37 AM

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F in chat for the Smug Arbiter who hit killed by a marine

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Huh?

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Ripa

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 1:04 AM

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If ‘Moramee was in Doom, what would he do?

Ripa and-a tear-a

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 1:04 AM

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boooo

spiral jewel Mar 7, 2021, 1:43 AM

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As a dumb question as this sounds: as of 2560, are there other MCPOs aside from John-117?

opal birch Mar 7, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Yes, UNSC is a big organization

steep ether Mar 7, 2021, 1:53 AM

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spiral jewel As a dumb question as this sounds: as of 2560, are there other MCPOs aside from ...

not any ever mentioned, but that doesn't mean there has never been any others

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 3:13 AM

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343 said that Chief was promoted to MCPON at some point so there would only be one person with that rank

opal birch Mar 7, 2021, 3:21 AM

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To be fair he was asking about MCPOs in general

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:21 AM

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humble yacht 343 said that Chief was promoted to MCPON at some point so there would only be o...

I think the only time that was referenced was the ending of Halo 3

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Even 343 afterwards only has him as an MCPO

opal birch Mar 7, 2021, 3:24 AM

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Besides the position of Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy is just desk work, acting as the senior enlisted advisor to the Chief of Naval Operations.

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John is very much the type of guy that would rather work in the field.

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:26 AM

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(Except for the preview paragraph of Escalation #8, but...Escalation)

steep ether Mar 7, 2021, 3:26 AM

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nah i think he would rather work behind a desk

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Not necessarily a desk, but he's definitely open to non-killing roles.

steep ether Mar 7, 2021, 3:28 AM

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was a joke

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but i agree

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 3:52 AM

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gilded mason I think the only time that was referenced was the ending of Halo 3

Sam said he’s a MCPON

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Huh. When was this?

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I dunno, I remember her and CIA arguing about it

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Don't forget chief wants to do diplomacy as revealed in SoR

stable flower Mar 7, 2021, 4:35 AM

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I wonder how that's gonna work out

hybrid yacht Mar 7, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Thanks!

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 6:26 AM

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If I am correct Skirmishers are that one kid in a show that always gets in trouble or does stupid things

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Like they are a rowdy bunch

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:25 AM

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How come Spartans are often shown to change the tide of battle do the halo writers know sense of scale? Planets are massive and there's only a couple dozen Spartan ii's it would be highly unlikely for a covenant to encounter a Spartan due to how rare they would be

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 7:25 AM

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They are deadly

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Enough to change the tide of a battle

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Yes but even then there only a couple dozen of then and they can't all be in the same place

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Idk

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Ask someone who knows more about lore than me

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:28 AM

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I just find it laughable how they're basically turning tide of Planetwide conflicts when their is barely that much of them

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Even the chief no matter how good can't take on the entire covenant army

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In my opinion halo marines and ODST should be taking more credit as they're the ones doing most of the fighting

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The UNSC can't survive a week without marines but can last a lot longer without Spartans

fair hazel Mar 7, 2021, 7:38 AM

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Spartans are assets deployed in key battles and places for maximum effectiveness...

gentle cosmos Mar 7, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Who are the precursors

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They the goons that made the halo rings?

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 1:07 PM

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No, the Forerunners constructed the Installations (Halo Rings).

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 1:46 PM

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versed helm I just find it laughable how they're basically turning tide of Planetwide confli...

Multiple times Spartans has saved humanity

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If it wasn't for read team in HW humanity would of died a lot sooner

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Blue team destroyed a 500 strong covenant armada that would have attacked earth

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Some teams retrieved useful pieces of technology

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Spartan 3s were sent against crucial covenant targets

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As much as I love odsts and marines the unsc would absolutely not live long with no Spartans

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 1:50 PM

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gentle cosmos Who are the precursors

They were the civilization,the closest thing halo has to gods,that made life in the galaxy Who eventually became the flood

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The unsc pretty much needs every branch

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It can't survive long without one of them

obtuse crow Mar 7, 2021, 1:53 PM

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If Spartans are gone then the anchor of the unsc is gone if odsts are gone most of the hot drops are gone nothing as important as the marines with marines Ur main fighting force you would be doomed

gentle cosmos Mar 7, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Does no one here know chips dubbo? He's straight bladdy invincebol mate, tf are yous chattin on 'bout

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Strewth, get that man some state the art Spartan armour baby.

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I hope that he is featured or referenced in Halo Infinite. I can already picture a Marine shouting, "This one's for Chips!" before throwing a grenade at a group of enemies.

haughty shale Mar 7, 2021, 2:32 PM

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I have been replaying Reach. I'm confused about Annie Dot. I know she's a "dumb" AI, but what does that mean? Like it cannot have desires or something?

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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dumb AI are not really dumb but they can only preform one role

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they are powerful though

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for example a teaching dumb AI can do only teaching

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however a smart AI can do multiple roles

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but have a limited lifespan

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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haughty shale I have been replaying Reach. I'm confused about Annie Dot. I know she's a "dumb"...

This type of AI cannot experience sensations, perceptions or form sentiments. They also strictly follow a series of sub-routines and algorithms.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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pulsar pivot If I am correct Skirmishers are that one kid in a show that always gets in troub...

I’m pretty sure there was a branch of skirmishers that actually were enforcers for the central government

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Jiralhanae apparently filled that role

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I’m talking like pre-covenant on the Kig Yar homeworld

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Ah, yes I believe there was something on that

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:05 PM

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The piracy and looting in the system lead to the Kig-Yar government's militia recruiting selectively picked Commandos from sectarian societies from the asteroids that orbit Chu'ot. The Commandos fought off the pirates in an extremely ruthless and precise fashion.- Halopedia

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:11 PM

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versed helm How come Spartans are often shown to change the tide of battle do the halo write...

It should also be noted that the UNSC was fighting a primarily defensive war.

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So the Spartans were usually sent on missions that were supposed to turn the tide of a battle, usually suicidal missions. So when your only sending em on mission that supposed to turn the tide of course they are gonna turn the tide of the battle

unique rune Mar 7, 2021, 3:14 PM

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If Spartans are gone then the anchor of the unsc is gone if odsts are gone most of the hot drops are gone nothing as important as the marines with marines Ur main fighting force you would be doomed
I think reading this gave me a headache.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:14 PM

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You can’t really do that with ODSTs or Marines

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 3:16 PM

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main hill So the Spartans were usually sent on missions that were supposed to turn the tid...

I don't think that this statement applies to the Spartan IIs. The UNSC and ONI seemed to value them significantly more than the third generation.

south matrix Mar 7, 2021, 3:23 PM

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Is the Mangler in Halo Infinite the successor of the Mauler from Halo 3

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Like the Suban Carbine (Guardians) in relation to Needle Riffle (Reach)

unique rune Mar 7, 2021, 3:24 PM

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We don't know yet

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Considering they appear to server very different purposes I would assume no

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:29 PM

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I sure hope not, ngl

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Cuz it’s the laziest design ever, I’ve seen fan art for brute weapons much more creative that coulda been the mangler.

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Isn't the Mangler used for medium-range combat, though?

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Idk

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Also I’m kinda concerned that the ravager will be replacing the bruteshot

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Which would be a sin

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 3:34 PM

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https://youtu.be/HZtc5-syeAk
The weapon seems to have a higher effective range than the Mauler.

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The Mangler seems to fire a single projectile too.

carmine sleet Mar 7, 2021, 3:42 PM

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The Mangler is basically Halo's revolver pistol, while the Mauler is a shotgun pistol

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The similarities in design between it and the Mauler is just to show that it's a Brute weapon

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 4:25 PM

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The thing on grunts back are methane tanks right

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that's a stupid question

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Nvm

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:26 PM

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They also put drugs in their tanks

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 4:26 PM

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I think it's a more compelling question than, "Can John-117 defeat Godzilla?"

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:28 PM

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I mean

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Can he?

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Lmao

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Bad Max, Bad!

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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It was a mistake to revive this topic.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Grunts aren’t necessarily dumb it’s just that whenever we see em they’re trippin balls

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 4:34 PM

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That was more so after the Jiralhanae took over. They didn't take them on duty

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Speaking of tanks, Sesa's respirator looks extremely uncomfortable to wear.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Wasn’t Sesa’s group originally an excavation team?

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Yea

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Relic recovery to be exact

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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I doubt that we'll ever see those holographic cores again.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Yeah I was wondering why they were never brought up again

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Is there any info on em?

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 4:49 PM

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There should be a Halopedia page that covers them, but I think it's quite brief.

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 4:54 PM

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it would be pretty op for the covenant

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holograms that can do damage

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 4:57 PM

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I actually think they may have been forerunner tech Sesa recovered, but that’s just a theory

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:00 PM

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It would be wise to establish that the cores were inefficient and required high energy inputs. The possibilities are endless with them, after all.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume he didn’t only find guilty spark while on his excavation mission

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:02 PM

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I used to think that the Brutes reverse engineered the cores to operate as power drains, which we see in Halo 3.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Interestingly enough, the bubble shields in halo 3 aren’t actually completely brute in origin, they were actually based off of ONI prototypes they stole and the ONI prototypes were based from forerunner tech.

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 5:03 PM

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They did not

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:05 PM

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I never really thought that the bubble shields were designed by Brutes, to be honest. That information is quite intriguing, though.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I thought they were for a while

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I don't think very highly of them, surprisingly enough.

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Does anyone?

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:20 PM

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The Jiralhanae themselves are probably arrogant, lol.

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 5:23 PM

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As a species no

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Do a lot of them yes

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 5:23 PM

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They are, we see one call Ackerson an animal because he is lying

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:28 PM

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terse lava They are, we see one call Ackerson an animal because he is lying

How does that indicate a level of arrogance?

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 5:30 PM

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They see humans as little.more then beasts

stable flower Mar 7, 2021, 5:31 PM

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versed helm The Jiralhanae themselves are probably arrogant, lol.

Tartarsauce most definitely is. He's arrogant enough to activate a Halo ring despite just finding out what they do.

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 5:37 PM

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stable flower Tartarsauce most definitely is. He's arrogant enough to activate a Halo ring des...

In all fairness, Tartarus' judgement was probably clouded by his recent promotion. I still despise him, though.

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 5:59 PM

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He was like No

hollow fog Mar 7, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Obama Spartan when?

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Well I would say that's pretty realistic

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He was so faithful to the great journey that his faith couldn't be destroyed in less than 5 minutes of talking

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:00 PM

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A "holy oracle" literally informed him that the Installations were glorified weapons.

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Proem really is the Jiralhanae were part of the Covenant for a "short" period of time, and apparently never fully gained the reverence the rest had for forerunner objects.

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 7:25 PM

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before the war it was only around 50 years iirc

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 7:26 PM

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versed helm A "holy oracle" literally informed him that the Installations were glorified wea...

well before that he called the oracle useless

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arbiter had time to think it over

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 7:26 PM

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They joined 33 years before the war started

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 7:27 PM

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so by the end it was 50 years

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wait no 60

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:29 PM

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cedar surge well before that he called the oracle useless

All the more reason to brand that character as an unintelligent fool.

stable flower Mar 7, 2021, 7:29 PM

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2492

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 7:40 PM

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I’d argue Brutes are pretty intelligent actually, I mean their power armor is pretty advanced especially when you consider the fact that for some models of power armor IE the ones used by some of the banished officers, it can articulate itself depending on the wearers movements so it doesn’t hinder the flexibility and maneuverability of the wearer in movement. Basically with brute power armor seen worn by Banished Officers they are essentially walking tanks almost and don’t have to worry about maneuverability and flexibility with their movements.

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If I remember correctly too they were pretty high on the tech tiers before they nuked themselves back to the Stone Age

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 7:43 PM

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They were only tier 6

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Tier 4 according to Halopedia

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While commonly regarded as a savage species, Jiralhanae proved intelligent enough to achieve Tier 4 status.

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Halopedia^

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:44 PM

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How does this tier system work?

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 7:45 PM

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It’s based on technological advances so

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So the Brutes managed to get to tier 4 before nuking themselves back to the Stone Age and when the covenant found them they had gotten to tier 6

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So all things considered the fact the brutes nuked themselves to near extinction and still managed to get to tier 6 is still a pretty big feat to say the least

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 7:49 PM

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versed helm How does this tier system work?

There’s 7 tiers based on technological advancement going from pre-industrial age to the theorized tier 0 of trans-sentient

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Thanks!

silver basin Mar 7, 2021, 8:17 PM

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If I read the book Point of Light without reading the other books, will the book still make sense? Otherwise which books should I read before it?

unique rune Mar 7, 2021, 8:20 PM

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you should probably read Smoke and Shadow and Renegades beforehand

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Mhm

edgy apex Mar 7, 2021, 8:21 PM

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^^

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Also I’d recommend reading the forerunner saga

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But not necessary

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But gives added context

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And it’s especially rewarding seeing Chakas’ journey

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:29 PM

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What would be your reaction if your a soldier in the citadel

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And master cheif, The Arbiter, and The flood all come at you united

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 8:31 PM

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guess I’ll die

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 8:31 PM

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I would know the rules, and have to say, "Goodbye".

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Hmm

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Welp

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I'm dead

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 8:32 PM

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~~The reality is that I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.~~

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Fair point

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You would be already gone by the sight of all three of them

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Lmao at that point if there’s a god he’s sayin “Sorry kid, game was rigged from the start”

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Ooof

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BANG as master chief pops you in the skull with a sniper he found

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 8:35 PM

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I would rather be assisting Thel and John. Thank you very much.

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:35 PM

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I would just switch sides

tulip oxide Mar 7, 2021, 8:36 PM

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q

pulsar pivot Mar 7, 2021, 8:36 PM

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I would jump off the

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Bridge

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They cant get my body if I am no longer existing

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As your falling you flick off god with the middle finger

obsidian thistle Mar 7, 2021, 8:55 PM

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humble yacht I dunno, I remember her and CIA arguing about it

I need to check Shadows of Reach again. But circa October 2558 he was a MCPO. Not a MCPON. :)

Source: Halo 5 Limited Edition.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583284069379604490/818225321135964210/20210307_205237.png

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And yes we know those records are circa October 2558.

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 8:57 PM

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You went back that far in the chat history just to post that?

obsidian thistle Mar 7, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Oh I was pinged about it on Halopedia. XD

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Had to see what it was about.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:04 PM

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I wonder if there are any other secretive agencies like ONI

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As Office of Naval Intelligence implies there are different branches

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 9:05 PM

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ONI has multiple sections

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Each with a different role. Section 1 is the actual intelligence gathering section

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

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I know section 13 or something is like the most secretive

obsidian thistle Mar 7, 2021, 9:14 PM

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This has all the main ones.
https://www.halopedia.org/Office_of_Naval_Intelligence#Divisions

Halopedia

Office of Naval Intelligence

The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI, commonly pronounced phonetically as /oʊni/) is the intelligence service of the UNSC Navy. Overtly, the agency is merely the information gathering and analysis division of the UNSC Naval Command. In reality, the operations of the Office of Naval Intelligence are far broader than simple intelligence gathering...

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 9:14 PM

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main hill I know section 13 or something is like the most secretive

Section 3

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Oof

humble yacht Mar 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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There’s only 4 sections: 0, 1, 2, 3

obsidian thistle Mar 7, 2021, 9:16 PM

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With a buncha sub-divisions. Most we dont know. And the ones we do are in Section 3

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 9:17 PM

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main hill I know section 13 or something is like the most secretive

~~Max is secretly an ONI operative.~~

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:20 PM

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👀

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Hey Stereotomic I got you a free ticket to go on a vacation to midnight facility

fair hazel Mar 7, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I wonder what's the status of midnight

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Midnight facility? I meant the Carribean

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 9:25 PM

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main hill Hey Stereotomic I got you a free ticket to go on a vacation to midnight facility

I will have to politely decline that generous offer.

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Who said it was an offer

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ONI probably has something like the flash stick from Men in Black or amnesthetics like the SCP foundation

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 9:28 PM

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main hill Who said it was an offer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/351059508044234752.png?v=1

In all seriousness though, you reminded me of Henry. ;-;

main hill Mar 7, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Lol

gloomy gorge Mar 7, 2021, 9:53 PM

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If you think about it, since we see a couple human prisoners in High Charity, that probably means there were quite a few since High Charity is huge. The point is that a ton of humans were probably stuck in their cells as the Flood consumed the city. They helplessly sat there awaiting their fate, (unless some Covenant guards let them out, which now that I think about it would actually make a really cool short story).

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Or they could have starved to death

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Like that odst in halo 3

stable flower Mar 7, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I wish those Marines in Gravemind were still there in High Charity

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 9:57 PM

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He was one of the lucky ones

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I am fairly certain that human prisoners were fed to the Jiralhanae and Kig-Yar.

obsidian thistle Mar 7, 2021, 10:06 PM

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An even better story would be how some humans got inside High Charity during the height of the empires reign

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 10:14 PM

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I would rather that aspect is just retconned lol

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

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obsidian thistle An even better story would be how some humans got inside High Charity during the...

There was a situation where humans infiltrated that location?

gilded mason Mar 7, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Based on one line from Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss

fair hazel Mar 7, 2021, 10:18 PM

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and a halo armour descirption

versed helm Mar 7, 2021, 10:19 PM

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gilded mason Based on one line from Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss

Out of all the stories in Evolutions, I can't seem to recall that one.

fair hazel Mar 7, 2021, 10:29 PM

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the one tht introduces the triad

terse lava Mar 7, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I outright ignored that tidbit. It makes utterly no sense at all

cedar surge Mar 7, 2021, 11:50 PM

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gilded mason I would rather that aspect is just retconned lol

Makes more sense than the covenant raising humans

terse lava Mar 8, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Nah

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:37 AM

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The evolution of Brutes

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Halo reach:Stupid

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Halo 2: Monke

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Halo 3: less Monke

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Halo Infinite: CRAIG

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Halo Reach had the worse brutes in pretty much every aspect

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Yeah

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But the best elites

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:45 AM

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And that’s sad because I thought everything else they did with the covenant was the best ngl

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Yeah

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:45 AM

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I definitely thought Halo Reach was the very peak in terms of covenant art designs

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:45 AM

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I'm mainly annoyed about how you cant execute them

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Maybe the AI was a little but dumber but it was still great

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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pulsar pivot I'm mainly annoyed about how you cant execute them

You can their hit box is just really really really small to do it

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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You can?

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Yeah

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Hold on

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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I’ve done it like once

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Let me look this up

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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It’s really hard

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Yeah apparently its "Rare"

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Its still a major pain to move all of the firefight waves to get rid of the brutes

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:49 AM

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What’s even more sad about the brutes in Halo Reach is that they are the easiest to deal with

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Yeah

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Truly

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They got the short end of the stick

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Like their difficulty to face is pretty comparable to Grunts in all honesty

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I kinda wish we got to see drones in Halo Reach more

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:51 AM

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Oh yeah

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How many times did we see them

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Like 2

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:52 AM

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I wish the Drones were as commonly seen as in Halo 2 ngl. Cuz after that they aren’t seen as much.

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:52 AM

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Yeah

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:52 AM

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In Halo 3 ODST you see em quite a bit tho

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 12:52 AM

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Odst had a whole cave of em

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"A Hive"

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 12:53 AM

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Lmao reminds me of the idea a friend of mine brought up

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Essentially a Scarab with a Drone hive on it.

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 1:19 AM

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Oof

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Nightmares

stable flower Mar 8, 2021, 1:29 AM

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How'd the Drones make a nest so quickly in the Data Center?

terse lava Mar 8, 2021, 1:36 AM

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There were lots of them

clever dagger Mar 8, 2021, 2:45 AM

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bugs tend to reproduce very fast

cedar surge Mar 8, 2021, 2:53 AM

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so for the covenant species living in the UEG. you think they all get the same rights or it differs by species?

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Differs

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Because grunts

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I doubt they have many rights

cedar surge Mar 8, 2021, 3:02 AM

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elites might get treated better since they are the reason humanity are alive right now

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at the least SoS elites

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 3:04 AM

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I doubt rights differ species to species under the UEG, I’m sure they are enforced differently and are definitely under some embargo’s though

south matrix Mar 8, 2021, 4:32 AM

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What's your favourite weapon?

stable flower Mar 8, 2021, 4:32 AM

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They gotta watch out for Sapien Sunrise though

south matrix Mar 8, 2021, 4:32 AM

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Mine's the DMR

cedar surge Mar 8, 2021, 4:33 AM

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The MAC

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 4:42 AM

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M.A.C. and cheese

stable flower Mar 8, 2021, 4:44 AM

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Mine's Halo

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Oh dang

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On the topic of halo rings

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Why cant they kill the flood as well

gilded mason Mar 8, 2021, 4:55 AM

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They can. As long as the flood form has a nervous system

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Oh

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Si the spores survived but nothing else

terse lava Mar 8, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Only thing that survived flood wise were spores and pod infectors

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And they apparently couldn't use the left over biomass with the damaged nervous systems

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 5:35 AM

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So they just starved

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Oh wait

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That's what it was supposed to do

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Starve them

terse lava Mar 8, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Yep

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Anyway

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What is a mac round

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 6:04 AM

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south matrix What's your favourite weapon?

Needler

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Or Fist of Rukt

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 6:10 AM

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Boom

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Grav hammer light right there

south matrix Mar 8, 2021, 6:25 AM

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pulsar pivot Grav hammer light right there

That's another favourite of mine

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You basically chop people with it

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Chop chop

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Like romeo in Halo 3 Odst

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 6:33 AM

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I like Chainbreaker

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I always loved how the hammer pulled people in

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And shot out energy blasts like with the Arbiter

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 6:40 AM

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Boom

ashen abyss Mar 8, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Would you guys choose to become a Marine or ODST or Spartan?

gilded mason Mar 8, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Can I choose none

ashen abyss Mar 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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😅

jovial haven Mar 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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No spoilers please but is the Flood's survival of the first use of the Halo rings explained at some point? I'm near the end of Halo 2

gilded mason Mar 8, 2021, 6:49 AM

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It was explained in CE

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 6:50 AM

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There are food samples in every ring

gilded mason Mar 8, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Not sure if this counts as a spoiler considering this was from a game you already beat, but: ||Guilty Spark told ya that the Forerunners kept samples to study.||

ashen abyss Mar 8, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Cortana says to you in Two Betrayals

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 6:53 AM

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Boom

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Easy clap the covie

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Cortana

jovial haven Mar 8, 2021, 7:17 AM

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gilded mason Not sure if this counts as a spoiler considering this was from a game you alread...

I remember now but I was trying hard to stay alive so it kind of just flew by as a throwaway line

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That’s one of the issues I have with CE’s story telling, important plot points are spewed out in exposition from Cortana while we’re busy trying not to get surrounded by Flood

pulsar pivot Mar 8, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Well what other questions do you have

normal shard Mar 8, 2021, 12:07 PM

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Yeah, true. The budget wasn't very high for CE, so there's more telling than showing.

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 12:16 PM

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jovial haven That’s one of the issues I have with CE’s story telling, important plot points a...

"Captain Exposition" also happened to regurgitate previously established information to you.

jovial haven Mar 8, 2021, 1:06 PM

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“This cave is not a natural formation”

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Cortana hav big bran

carmine sleet Mar 8, 2021, 1:06 PM

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To be fair, in earlier versions of the level, it was meant to look like a cave

main siren Mar 8, 2021, 1:07 PM

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^

carmine sleet Mar 8, 2021, 1:07 PM

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They just never had the chance to rerecord the line to reflect that it was now an actual tunnel

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Im pretty sure bungie has a history of things that were supposed to be different in the game but never changing the voiceline about it. like "watch the skys, they got locusts"

carmine sleet Mar 8, 2021, 1:10 PM

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That a line from Halo Wars?

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Out of all the loadouts Thel could have chosen from, he disembarked to retrieve such a holy relic with a plasma pistol and carbine, lol. I wonder if he had an entire arsenal to choose from.

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 1:37 PM

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carmine sleet That a line from Halo Wars?

yes

carmine sleet Mar 8, 2021, 1:38 PM

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Didn't need to tag me and Bungie had little involvement in Halo Wars

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 1:38 PM

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versed helm Out of all the loadouts Thel could have chosen from, he disembarked to retrieve ...

I thought he started with an energy sword and carbine

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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main hill I thought he started with an energy sword and carbine

Negative. Thel is equipped with a carbine and plasma pistol on the mission, Sacred Icon.

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 1:49 PM

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I coulda swore I started with Carbine and energy sword

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 1:49 PM

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You are probably thinking of a different mission.

main hill Mar 8, 2021, 1:49 PM

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maybe

versed helm Mar 8, 2021, 1:54 PM

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He does have an energy sword in the beginning of Arbiter and Uprising (retrieved from a corpse).