#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 461

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:26 PM

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But that one Unggoy said it was dogs

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 2:26 PM

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https://youtu.be/NtYZ8r8dMMM

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Flood backround

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:27 PM

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HiddenXperia

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:27 PM

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i could be wrong, but i remember it was some sort of exotic pet that san shyuum and humans liked to keep

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Lol

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:33 PM

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It wasn't drugged ferrets

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Was just the precursor powder that was found on the outskirts of ancient human space in automated ships that had crashes there eons earlier. The humans, having studied it found it harmless, and saw that it improves the behavior of a popular pet, the Pheru. It had the added benefit of making theirnfur coats fluffier and more glossy, the the joy of the hedonistic San 'Shyuum at the time

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:37 PM

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thanks for clarifying 🙂

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:38 PM

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So basically

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Flood = fluffy doggos

unique rune Mar 2, 2021, 2:43 PM

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That is... an extreme oversimplification.

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:43 PM

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No not fully, at first nothing happened. It took centuries for the powder to have negative effects on the animals. The results were growths and small tentacles. It was considered a result of too much inbreeding, and the pheru who suffered from it were put down. Problem was the sickness began spreading to humans and San 'Shyuum, either from just handling them, or..in some human cases, eating the pheru

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:44 PM

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so then the humans tried to flee it and started whacking the forerunners in the process

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:45 PM

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It had begun to spread throughout human territory, and even into minor areas of forerunner.space

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The Forerunners, at the time, did not consider it a threat to their Ecumene

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:46 PM

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what did the san shyuum do? did they help anyone or just flee like wusses

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Oh no they helped, it infected them too

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But from what we know, humans did the majority of the fighting

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:48 PM

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in one of the terminals, didnt it say the forerunners only knew abut the flood after they defeated humanity?

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:48 PM

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They only realized it was a threat after they defeated humanity

fresh hamlet Mar 2, 2021, 2:50 PM

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^or at least not really worth glassing a whole planet to contain

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Somewhat, yes, but Silentium, the 3rd forerunner book, does show that later during the War with humanity, the Forerunners came across the newest form of the flood, which consumed hundreds of their battle fleets. The Flood of the original outbreak resembled a more feral nature, like the World War Z zombies. They eventually mutated to what we know as classic flood with warped forms

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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can u get infected by coming into contact with flood spores or do u have to get infected by a pod infector?

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:52 PM

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The Forerunners, like later during their own war with the flood, likely sought a cure. Durinf this time however, the warrior servants made sure to burn away the infection

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Yes they can infect too

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Just at a slower rate

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

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ok thanks, sorry fr asking lots of questions im just curious about flood lore

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Hey perfectly fine, that's what we lore guys are here for, ask away

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:55 PM

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thx👍

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Welcome

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:56 PM

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When did the Master Chief die

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:56 PM

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He...hasn't

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Did the Covenant ever encounter an Installation before the events of Halo CE?

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:57 PM

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No

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:57 PM

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terse lava He...hasn't

But the Halo 5 trailer said he did

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 2:58 PM

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postums

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Yes, that's marketing, not lore

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:58 PM

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versed helm Did the Covenant ever encounter an Installation before the events of Halo CE?

They encountered other Forerunner installations, but not other Halos

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:58 PM

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but they obviously knew of their existence, right?

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:58 PM

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terse lava Yes, that's marketing, not lore

But that doesn’t make sense

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:59 PM

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foggy forge but they obviously knew of their existence, right?

Of course, their whole religion is based around them

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:59 PM

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The closest we know of them finding a halo before CE was the "Purifying Vision," a small device that showed a hologram of the lesser Ark and a Halo

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 2:59 PM

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queen abyss But that doesn’t make sense

that was just a noncanon advert

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 2:59 PM

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foggy forge that was just a noncanon advert

Impossible

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 2:59 PM

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@queen abyss look at it like this, h4 advertising showed Chief captured by the Didact. Didnt happen in game at any point

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 3:00 PM

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The Didact sucked

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So much potential

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Wasted as a mustache-twirling human hater

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Indeed, was good if one had read the books but if your first meeting of him was h4, understandable

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 3:02 PM

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his backstory from the ingame terminals was actually kind of interesting, haven't read any of the forerunner trilogy books tho

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:03 PM

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The terminals are a little inaccurate, as they don't show why he does go insane

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Among other things

fresh hamlet Mar 2, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I feel like if you enjoyed the didact as a character in the books, you'd probably be more inclined to dislike the didact in h4

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just because he's kind of reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon villain

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Well from reading the books, could understand it better. But yeah

queen abyss Mar 2, 2021, 3:08 PM

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I liked him in the books

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But Halo 4 should’ve been more than grandpa’s revenge story

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grandact

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Or grampdact

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 3:11 PM

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the didact had really good villain potential but then 343 wasted him.

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Well he was met to be chief's nemesis for the whole trilogy..saga...whatever it is now

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 3:19 PM

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but then he got teleported to some random place, didn't he die in the end though?(not the end of Halo 4)

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:21 PM

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No

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Just composed via multiple composers

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 3:24 PM

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ok, but after halo 4 didn't he encounter a spartan II team and proceed to kill them?

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Yeah, black team

cedar surge Mar 2, 2021, 3:43 PM

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because spartan 4s wouldn't give the didact a sense of danger

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Not like the 2s could either

rough badge Mar 2, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Hey guys one question, besides the main games, what would you recommend if I wanna understand more about the story? Like which books, comics, etc

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 4:56 PM

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i'd reccomend the fall of reach,

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and also halo: renegades, it goes into detail about what happens to 343 guilty spark and also touches on his backstory

rough badge Mar 2, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Thank you!

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 5:01 PM

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no problem👍

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent are also good choices if you are a covenant fan

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 5:24 PM

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I've really been wanting to read Shadow of Intent, Rtas 'Vadum is one of my favourite Sangheili characters

rough badge Mar 2, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Thanks

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent are also good choices if you are a covenant fan

cedar surge Mar 2, 2021, 6:15 PM

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ain't those the only choices

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Silent Storm and Oblivion also have good Covie POV sections (The not-boring parts of the books)

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 6:19 PM

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@gilded mason 🤣 👍

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Anyone know where to easily buy most of the halo books? I’ve looked everywhere

void oar Mar 2, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Dumb question, if Spartans are augmented to see in dark areas; why do they have flash lights and night vision capabilities in their helmets?

carmine sleet Mar 2, 2021, 7:13 PM

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For gameplay

half ravine Mar 2, 2021, 7:13 PM

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versed helm Anyone know where to easily buy most of the halo books? I’ve looked everywhere

Order them online if you can’t find any places

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I’ve looked online but can only find them individually for like £10

half ravine Mar 2, 2021, 7:14 PM

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void oar Dumb question, if Spartans are augmented to see in dark areas; why do they have ...

Gameplay isn’t canon, which is why you have flashlights.

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I got the first 4 for 11 tho

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Anyone know where blue team was during halo 2,3 and 4?

carmine sleet Mar 2, 2021, 7:39 PM

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In Halo 2, they were on Earth, in 3 they were trapped in Onyx, in Halo 4 they were elsewhere

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That's the shortened, not including some details version

steep ether Mar 2, 2021, 7:51 PM

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half ravine Gameplay isn’t canon, which is why you have flashlights.

tho lots of armor premutations include lights

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i mean, look at chief

simple locust Mar 2, 2021, 8:06 PM

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What were the Yonhet doing in the time of Ancient Humanity? Did they use Geas technology.

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 8:08 PM

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What?

carmine sleet Mar 2, 2021, 8:12 PM

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I don't recall there ever being such a thing as Geas technology

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 8:14 PM

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As for what they were doing. Likely just being cavemen

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Is there a lore resdon why the unsc changed from using the ma37 assault rifle in halo reach to the drastically different ma5b in halo ce or was that just inconsistency

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 8:38 PM

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A lot of different types that are all used by the UNSC

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Are they still in use?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Maybe

foggy forge Mar 2, 2021, 8:39 PM

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It would be cool to see different variations of the AR in halo infinite

steep ether Mar 2, 2021, 8:45 PM

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well the scope is supposed to be a lot more compatible

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on the MA41

stable flower Mar 2, 2021, 8:49 PM

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MA37 is used by the Army

steep ether Mar 2, 2021, 9:00 PM

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yes, whats your point?

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(i dont wanna sound rude or anything btw)

frail halo Mar 2, 2021, 9:05 PM

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I think ATP was replying to Herobrine.

Reach we used Army weapons mainly I think and Halo CE was Navy. Different weapon loadouts.

steep ether Mar 2, 2021, 9:09 PM

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oh yeah

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tho the model was new i think

next fox Mar 2, 2021, 9:45 PM

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So how morally screwed up is the Unsc?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Quite a bit

ocean ibex Mar 2, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Not as bad as oni

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But they’re still bad

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 9:45 PM

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ONI is part of the UNSC

cedar surge Mar 2, 2021, 9:50 PM

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ONI feels entirely separate sometimes

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 9:51 PM

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In part because they tend to be a treasonous, rogue agency.

ocean ibex Mar 2, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Isn’t the UNSC as a whole morally bad sometimes?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Yep

cedar surge Mar 2, 2021, 9:55 PM

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I think you only start seeing that side of the unsc in halo 4 and beyond

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In the games

stable flower Mar 2, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Judging by how the one scientist on Ivanoff said "The military's here" it's debatable

cedar surge Mar 2, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Wonder how humanity is gonna look when the created are defeated. Since that would give a chance for a lot of planets to break away before the unsc can get back on its feet and re assure control

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:29 PM

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The Created isn't just comprised of humans and rogue AI, right?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 10:30 PM

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It'd be composed of any bodies that Cortana would feel are useful to her ends, like Balaho Unggoy

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:31 PM

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I don’t the the grunts count as part of the created

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They just take orders from them

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I also doubt a human would be included in the proper ranks of the created

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Do you think that they would be forced into manual labour?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:34 PM

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For what?

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What could biological beings possibly do for Cortana?

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Any form of physical work that the AI cannot perform, I suppose.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Why do they need to do physical work

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 10:35 PM

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humble yacht Why do they need to do physical work

Not everythin' can be done digitally.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Sure it can

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Though I imagine Cortana would just use Soldiers

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I thought that the AI couldn't control ships in certain circumstances. Were those protocols overridden?

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

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What about the promethians cant they do the physical

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Huh? Smart AI are the only AI allowed to control ships

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Dumb AI weren’t capable of handling the complexity

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Hehe what's this big red button presses button oh

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I just recall a particular instance where Roland stated that he couldn't control the Infinity. I think it happened in a cutscene for Spartan Ops.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:38 PM

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That would be a security issue

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:38 PM

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And I give him respect for sticking with the humans

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Hackers could break into the ai and yeah

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Remember that Cortana developed subroutines that would have allowed the Autumn to land automatically. Keyes just preferred to do things manually

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:39 PM

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And that caused a big crash

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Booom

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And halo gone

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Not really boom

versed helm Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Was Roland blocked by security protocols?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 PM

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The ship was basically intact, structurally

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 PM

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It was a relatively safe crash landing

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Surprisingly safe

steep ether Mar 2, 2021, 10:41 PM

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well keyes was a pretty good pilot

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or captain

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Fair point

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 10:45 PM

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When you think about the position the Created are trying to hold, they wouldn’t include their subjects in their decision-making

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It’s not like the Forerunners held town halls when they held the mantle

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Hmm

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The promethians are part of the created correct

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Yes.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Probably not in the way you’d expect

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They aren’t exactly diplomatic units

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 11:14 PM

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True

humble yacht Mar 2, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Also back when Cortana first entered the domain, she and warden both didn’t consider the composed to be worthy its gifts

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Pretty rude of them, really.

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Plot twist: everyone composed actually goes to a fully repaired section of the domain. Only copies occupy the knights while the Created only.have a small.empty section of the domain.

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Hm? Dominion Splinter and The Next 72 Hours both visually show that composed people are trapped in the Abyss, unless I misinterpreted ya.

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:27 PM

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So I just read

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Chicago is blaming gta5 for increase in carjackings

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Apparently it's been around for a year

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I can only wonder why its actually happening

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:27 PM

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What does this have to do with Halo lore.

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Idk

daring kiln Mar 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

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thinkingchief

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

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I'll change the topic

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Then you probably shouldn't post it

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Yeah

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Banished am I right

daring kiln Mar 2, 2021, 11:30 PM

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@pulsar pivot who is toasty?

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:32 PM

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The other me

main hill Mar 2, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Halo made me carjack someone

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Lol

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Jk

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Pulled the halo hijack

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Dropkicks them outta the car

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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@gilded mason twas a joke brother

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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You're a joke. >=(

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Spartan 4s are a joke

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Ouch

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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eyy

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Eyy

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:43 PM

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terse lava Spartan 4s are a joke

Spartan locke is a joke

gilded mason Mar 2, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Eh.

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He's inoffensive.

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Idk what that means but ok

unique rune Mar 2, 2021, 11:45 PM

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the real joke is being rated as a hyper lethal vector

terse lava Mar 2, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Means not offensive

pulsar pivot Mar 2, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Sounds bout right

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The real joke is how Kat went out

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Bang

ocean ibex Mar 2, 2021, 11:58 PM

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What’s the covenant’s most devastating weapon?

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Do they have any super weapons or planet killers?

simple locust Mar 3, 2021, 12:03 AM

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@carmine sleet One I recall was the Ancilla, am i correct in referring to it that way?

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 12:05 AM

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@ocean ibex if they do we are not aware of what they are

simple locust Mar 3, 2021, 12:08 AM

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So what religions may the races have believed before the human-forerunner war? What type of relation from the Buddha-like statue in The Babysitter is there to the human belief in the precursors? Is it the same, partially same or just a different religion?

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 12:16 AM

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We know at least some humans, like the Lord.of Admirals, was polytheism

simple locust Mar 3, 2021, 12:18 AM

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For belief in multiple precursors? Would the ancient flood cults be considered polytheistic or monotheistic?

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 12:19 AM

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I wouldn't consider them anything. Just crazies

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:20 AM

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You also got flood cults

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 12:20 AM

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But yeah, LOA did believe in multiple gods

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Only flood cult i recall was the Governors of Contrition

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 12:26 AM

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The whole situation with Tano Inanraree wanting to let the flood onto their ship and the chad Voro Mantakree just pretty much went “say sike right now” before blasting him with a needler

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:38 AM

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Bang

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We arent gonna talk about how tartarus switched all the grav lifts in his ship to ladders because elites cant climb ladders

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 12:40 AM

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That was Maccbeus, Tartarus's uncle

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Either way

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Elites have wacko legs

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 12:54 AM

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so i have a question

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Mhm

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 12:57 AM

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so the banished supposedly "control" Halo Zeta (pretty sure thats what the halo ring is called in halo infinite) from what ive seen in the trailers. does this mean that when the rings were built they weren't intended for just the flood? or maybe the banished somehow wiped out the flood on the ring??? i know no one really has the answer to this but yeah i was just wondering what other people thought

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:57 AM

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They have control of the ring

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Control as in they claim ownership of it

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 12:57 AM

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They most definitely did not fire it

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And I'm pretty sure them and the sentinels delt with the flood

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 12:58 AM

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hmm

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this is interesting to think about.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 1:00 AM

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We are in the dark for halo infinite lore

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 1:02 AM

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yes

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 1:10 AM

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Maybe the flood simply weren’t active on the ring

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Remember the UNSC have had a presence on zeta halo for years

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Never reported any flood activity

simple locust Mar 3, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Is there anything akin to a biological being having the memories or gaes of an ai or some machine?

devout abyss Mar 3, 2021, 1:34 AM

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Noble 6 vs Arbiter in a deathmatch, who wins

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Oh crap uhhh

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Dang

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I’d have to go with arbiter

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Arbiter would win by a bit.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 1:36 AM

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As much as I like noble six I think arbiter would win

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 AM

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simple locust Is there anything akin to a biological being having the memories or gaes of an a...

The closest I could think of is the emgineers

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Made by the forerunners

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Huragok aren’t really biological

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 1:48 AM

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@simple locust no, nothing thus far in the lore

slim thorn Mar 3, 2021, 2:17 AM

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humble yacht Never reported any flood activity

Or they haven't visit any containment facility (Which of course, they must avoid it at any costs.)

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Aside of that, if the Precusor's prison remains, it could be discovered and turned into one of the research outpost.

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Aren’t Huragok basically cyborgs if anything

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Same with Sharkoi

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Did anyone else besides me felt sad or depressed when Gamelpar died in Halo Primordium?

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https://www.halopedia.org/Gamelpar

latent mason Mar 3, 2021, 2:38 AM

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is there a contingency plan for drop pods landing in water

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 3:02 AM

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You drown

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 3:11 AM

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main hill Aren’t Huragok basically cyborgs if anything

No. They’re made entirely of inorganic materials. They just simulate organic life

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Artificially created organisms

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who would be stronger, Master Chief or 6?

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with augmentations

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Chief is a two

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6 is a 3

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Spartans twos have the better augmentations

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Really? I thought they had atleast something that was biological

fresh hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:25 AM

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oh I thought it was that they had the same augments but worse armor

tender cove Mar 3, 2021, 3:25 AM

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and i thought 2's have higher augmented and sicker armor and more hyperlethal

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Spartan 3 augs are actually an improvement

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Their training too

limpid kernel Mar 3, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Is there a reason chief didn't take the extra phantom in the level high charity to get to Truth

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 3:39 AM

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humble yacht Spartan 3 augs are actually an improvement

Unfortunately, Shadows of Reach kinda muddies the waters on that front with this quote:

[...] they didn’t have the same kind of physical strength and durability as her Spartan-IIs, but John had been training with some of the IIIs and IVs aboard the Infinity . What they lacked in brute force, they made up for in grit and resourcefulness—and in sheer numbers.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 3:41 AM

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IIIs have the speed of two, strength of three, and the quickness of four

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According to Ghosts of Onyx

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Well, speed of two is just my assumption

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(Given other sources)

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 3:43 AM

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IVs weren’t in Ghosts of Onyx

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 3:43 AM

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O.o

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Okay?

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 3:45 AM

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He's responding to you saying "and the quickness of four", I assume.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Yea

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Ghosts of onyx wouldn’t mention the quickness of IVs

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Spartan 3 augments were also a lot safer

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Technically speaking the only thing they had going worse for them over the Spartan 2s is their numbers because the UNSC could use them less sparingly and their armor.

ocean ibex Mar 3, 2021, 4:11 AM

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versed helm IIIs have the speed of two, strength of three, and the quickness of four

3’s are quicker than 4’s

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 4:12 AM

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By all means, Spartan 3’s could give Spartan 2’s a run for there money but at the end of the day the Spartan 2’s will always have the advantage

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 4:30 AM

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When it comes to s2 vs any of the others, I just recall chief being evenly matched wrestling with a Sangheili ranger at reach. Have never seen an s3 or 4 do that

ocean ibex Mar 3, 2021, 4:46 AM

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I don’t think chief actually knows how to wrestle

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Because I’m pretty sure 4’s know how to actually fight elites hand to hand

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Hmm

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I cant think of a moment where chief went hand to hand combat with a Elite

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Except that time in 4 where he threw one down a elevator

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But that wasnt good enough

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 5:14 AM

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@ocean ibex @pulsar pivot it was in the Fall of Reach. He and a ranger are stuck in hand to hand combat, and trying to get the plasma pistol the ranger has

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Hmm

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Oh

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I see

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When did this happen

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Oh wait

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Fall of reach is also a comic isnt it

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Yup

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 5:17 AM

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I am talking of the novel

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Yeah o noticed

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Who is your discord profile based off of

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 5:18 AM

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?

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Ado, it happened again lol

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 5:19 AM

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I was just about to tell you

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sigh

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Its based on no one, its my own thing

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:20 AM

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I see

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That makes sense

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Mine is also a Oc

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Same with Ostral

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Well I thought so

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Yours just seems more like it was bases off of a important elite

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1v1 grunt v brute chieftain

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That grunt had some balls to go up against tartarus

ocean ibex Mar 3, 2021, 5:23 AM

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If the grunt knows how to box then yes

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 5:24 AM

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The Grunt would lose either way

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He went up against the brute chieftain of that time

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Used a plasma pistol and too lout his shield but them got stomped

stable flower Mar 3, 2021, 5:55 AM

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There was nothing left of that Grunt other than a pulp of blood

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 9:25 AM

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I just learned that in halo reach, the elite field marshal that ambushes you at the start is the same guy who killed Kat and who led those zealots who killed Emile.

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 9:32 AM

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terse lava When it comes to s2 vs any of the others, I just recall chief being evenly match...

I’m pretty sure there have been multiple S3’s that have fought elites in hand to hand combat and did it with inferior armor

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 9:39 AM

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im pretty sure noble 6 went hand to hand with a zealot, i mean he had help but still

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:55 AM

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So in theory, if we hadn't let the zealot squad escape during the winter contingency mission, most of noble team could still be alive?

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 10:03 AM

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basically yeah, we kill the field marshal's zealot underlings but the field marshal himself escapes to do the other stuff

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

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What caused the Scarab to stop moving in Metropolis?

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 10:30 AM

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maybe the chief sabotaged it offscreen?

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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I don't think that would be possible, since we witnessed all of the events transpire from John's perspective throughout the entire level.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 10:46 AM

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yeah, idk, you just kill the pilots and the thing collapses

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:50 AM

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I was referring to the previous event, where the Scarab initially stopped moving, allowing John to board it.

ashen abyss Mar 3, 2021, 10:51 AM

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The worms that form hunters also form the scarab right?

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 10:51 AM

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yeah

ashen abyss Mar 3, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Then they can move and attack on their own, why we need pilots?

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 10:53 AM

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uuuh

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yes

ashen abyss Mar 3, 2021, 10:54 AM

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So to kill it we need to destroy them wholly

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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I think there are just different types

ashen abyss Mar 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Oh

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Maybe

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Yeah looks like the scarab is a normal machine that the Lekgolo are able to pilot

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 10:58 AM

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versed helm I was referring to the previous event, where the Scarab initially stopped moving...

it doesn't stop, basically it goes under a series of bridges that you are on and you just jump on to it

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 10:59 AM

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It eventually stops after you board it

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I assumed it was just that there was nowhere for it to walk without falling off a cliff into the ocean or something

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:02 AM

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could be

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 11:04 AM

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I had to play the level 3 times the other day so I should have had a look around to see properly

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 11:11 AM

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foggy forge it doesn't stop, basically it goes under a series of bridges that you are on and...

It does come to a halt at the end of the level.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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thats... because all the pilots are dead

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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No, there are pilots inside of the vehicle.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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yeah but u kill them

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 11:16 AM

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The vehicle comes to a halt before this even happens.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

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oohhhh, thats what you're talking about,

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idk

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

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It reaches the edge of the city

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I just quickly did the level again to get a better look

dusk dagger Mar 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

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hi im new

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

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hello

dusk dagger Mar 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

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i love halo so much

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

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thats why we're here, salute

dusk dagger Mar 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

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yes

scarlet topaz Mar 3, 2021, 11:27 AM

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In Halo 2 we can see a that the covenant has more then thousands of ships defending high charity. But in halo 3 the fleet of truth is almost nothing compared to what they had why?

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 11:33 AM

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because when the flood invaded high charity, combined with the fact that the brutes and elites are fighting each other, many ships are destroyed or are captured by the flood, also, most covenant ships were crewed by elites so they defected from the prophet of truth

astral ermine Mar 3, 2021, 1:41 PM

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do you guys think that guilty spark might have some role in Infinite?

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 1:49 PM

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I really hope that he isn't featured in Infinite, because I find him to be annoying.

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 PM

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well his character has changed somewhat

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I think that delves into spoiler territories for PoL.

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM

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my boy Chakas should live forever

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Too bad skirmishers are all dead

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They were fun

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:17 PM

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im pretty sure there are a few still alive, as some novels set in like 2556 feature skirmishers, still, they're very rare.

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:20 PM

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"they saw extensive action during the Fall of Reach, and as a result of catastrophically high casualties, the Skirmisher ranks were utterly exhausted, though the subspecies as a whole did survive."

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so its sounds less that the species was hit hard and more just their military

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:21 PM

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yeah, still, even before the battle of reach they were far less common in the covenant military than their other jackal bretheren

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Pretry sure that was just a throw away line by Bungie as people were asking where these guys were before. That's likely been retconned since

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:22 PM

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the extinction thing came from a gaming magazine

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Even more worthless then

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:23 PM

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okay, but did the unsc encounter any ibie'shaan kig yar before the events of halo 4?

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:24 PM

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you mean 343 jackals?

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cause yea

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they seen them since the start of the war

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we see them in FuD which is near the start of the war

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:25 PM

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what's FuD?

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:26 PM

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foward unto dawn

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:26 PM

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oh yeah, the live action thingy?

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:26 PM

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it was a mini series live action for halo

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yea its good

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 2:26 PM

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k, pretty sure it used to be on netflix

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 2:26 PM

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yea i remeber it was there before it was removed

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so does lasky still get those rashes from cyro

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 2:31 PM

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I would assume so

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Lasky was one of the likable characters in H4.

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In my opinion.

icy pivot Mar 3, 2021, 2:54 PM

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flood noises

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:02 PM

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chilly marsh Lasky was one of the likable characters in H4.

i completely agree

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he was way more likeable than palmer

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Yeah.

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Lasky is a really good character.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Yeah, hope he returns(or is mentioned) in halo infinite

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I liked Palmers armor but I’m not a fan of her personality.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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i actually kind of liked locke's armour

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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The first words you say to someone who saved the Galaxy is, “I thought you’d be taller”

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Are the other elites that were with the Arbiter in halo 3 still alive? the 2 extra ones that appear when you play 4 player co-op

icy pivot Mar 3, 2021, 3:05 PM

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no

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mr cheif is best

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:05 PM

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im pretty sure the red one is alive, the blue guy is unconfirmed

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:06 PM

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icy pivot mr cheif is best

Chief is the better than locke, i agree but i still think locke's armor is kinda neat

chilly marsh Mar 3, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Fire Team Osiris armor was cool apart from vale and Tanaka in my opinion

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Bucks armor was my favorite out of the 4.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 3:08 PM

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yea, odst for life

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 3:27 PM

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pulsar pivot Too bad skirmishers are all dead

The Skirmishers are not extinct.

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Yeah that’s a myth that they are all dead

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 3:29 PM

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from a gaming magazine

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Do the Kig Yar have a central government again. I know before they went into the covenant the Kig Yar had a central government but after the fall of the Covenant is there any mention of a central government for the Kig Yar again

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Following the collapse of the Covenant and the end of the Human-Covenant War, the majority of Kig-Yar returned to a lifestyle of piracy and trade. The overall population and social makeup of the Kig-Yar remained stable following the end of the war, with their homeworld and major colonies experiencing manageable growth.[29] Many Kig-Yar had dealings with humans, as well as the former Covenant species, in independent locations such as Venezia; some took advantage of the Covenant's collapse and began to loot valuable materials and technology from former Covenant installations.

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A notable exception to the Kig-Yar's chiefly disparate mentality was Shipmistress Chol Von, who wished to gather a formidable naval force to defend the Kig-Yar home system from outside threats. However, few Kig-Yar shared her ambitions and her efforts ended up bearing little fruit.

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if that helps

main hill Mar 3, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Sounds like the Kig Yar didn’t exactly form a central government again and more or less just went and do their own stuff except a Chol Von who seems like she wants to form some sort of central government.

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I like how the Jackals and the Grunts are doing seemingly well because they aren’t trying to completely kill eachother

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It makes sense but I find it funny

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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The first words you say to someone who saved the Galaxy is, “I thought you’d be taller”
I mean. It's just supposed to be a bit of banter.

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Heck, if someone has the whole reputation of "saved the galaxy" you might even expect them to be even bigger than they might actually be.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 3:46 PM

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main hill Are the other elites that were with the Arbiter in halo 3 still alive? the 2 ext...

Usze and N'tho are still alive.

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One of them almost died at the hands of Spartan Kodiak.

mystic narwhal Mar 3, 2021, 3:47 PM

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The elites were thinned out after they seperated from the covenant

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every time I think of elite I think of Lord Hood and Shipmasters cutscene in halo 2

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 4:01 PM

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is there a lore reason why the brutes went from fighting naked in halo 2 to wearing power armour in halo 3?

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 4:02 PM

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They essentially received the technological equivalent to scraps, because of their lower positions in the Covenant's military.

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 4:03 PM

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and then since the elites were banished from the covenant, the brutes got all the sweet tech?

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 4:04 PM

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I believe that is what happened.

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 4:05 PM

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yeah, cos it was the elites who were against them having that stuff in the first place

lavish flame Mar 3, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Do female sangheilis/elites exist?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Of course

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Yeah

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They aren't warriors though

bright briar Mar 3, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Yep.
There's some in Halo Legends and one that speaks in H5.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Pretty sure Thel allows them to be fighters in the Swords

lavish flame Mar 3, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Oh,i see,thanks yall that was at the back of my mind forever

ruby rose Mar 3, 2021, 4:28 PM

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My knowledge is just coming from the books that are set before the games

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 4:28 PM

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You should probably read the story, Shadow of Intent.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:28 PM

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The Swords of Sanghelios is a more progressive faction

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Compared to the traditional sangheili

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 4:31 PM

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I wonder if the Banished are equally as accepting.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Doubtful

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 4:32 PM

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What makes you think that they wouldn't be?

foggy forge Mar 3, 2021, 4:34 PM

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are there any humans in the banished?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Their pirate/mercenary nature

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 4:34 PM

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foggy forge are there any humans in the banished?

No

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There are humans in the Keepers but they aren’t actually Banished, at least not anymore

cedar surge Mar 3, 2021, 4:35 PM

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the only part of SoR i didn't really like

grand cairn Mar 3, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Red Vs Blue is from a parallel universe

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:30 PM

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A parallel universe that is not official.

grand cairn Mar 3, 2021, 7:32 PM

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yes

carmine sleet Mar 3, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Red Vs Blue is made by Rooster Teeth for 343i these days. At the end of each of the episodes these days they have 343i's logo since they used the games to make it. It's just not canon to Halo

astral ermine Mar 3, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Do you guys think that there was a way to make the fight between chief and locke a bit more explainable? Personally i think that if Locke was introduced in Halo 4 and showed some incredible skill for eg. Holding down the covenant at the MAC controls in the Mantis mission instead of chief. This feat. would impress chief and seeing that sooner or later he would have to retire he trains locke personally after halo 4 and then when they confront each they are actually able to go toe and toe considering a year of training under chief may be enough to make the fight more reasonable

carmine sleet Mar 3, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I don't think we need Locke being trained by Chief to explain him being able to go toe to toe with him

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:36 PM

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carmine sleet Red Vs Blue is made by Rooster Teeth for 343i these days. At the end of each of ...

I really hope that they establish RvB being a canonical TV series in the universe.

astral ermine Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM

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carmine sleet I don't think we need Locke being trained by Chief to explain him being able to ...

i am talking about an alternate history where chief trains locke

carmine sleet Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Didn't need to tag me

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 7:40 PM

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There’s also the Ussans

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 7:40 PM

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fair hazel There’s also the Ussans

What about them.

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 7:41 PM

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They had warrior women

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:42 PM

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astral ermine Do you guys think that there was a way to make the fight between chief and locke...

You could have a situation where Locke condemns John for not protecting New Mombasa.

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Why would he do that?

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 7:44 PM

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also those situations don't make much sense and locke going against john doesnt make not sense

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Well, I would have to make some adjustments to add a reasonable motive.

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 7:45 PM

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There’s already reasonable motive

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I do think that his official reasoning is justified, too.

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 7:45 PM

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There are things called orders.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I wonder if he has ever worked with Veronica before.

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 7:50 PM

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locke?

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he hasn't, aleast to our knowledge

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 7:51 PM

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They’re different sections

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They’re unlikely to have met

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 7:52 PM

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i think the only way they would have known each other is because they both have a backround with ONI

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 7:53 PM

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What part of ONI is Veronica associated with?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Section 1

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Intelligence

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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and i think locke was sec. 3, spec ops

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Locke was indeed section 3

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 8:03 PM

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All right, thanks.

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 8:07 PM

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np

fair hazel Mar 3, 2021, 8:13 PM

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ONI is big

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Is the fish in my pfp canon

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:01 PM

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is it real?

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Wdym

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:01 PM

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the fish

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Yes it was my pet fish but it’s long dead

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:02 PM

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rip

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also i guess if its real, then its canon

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an example is Marty O'Donnell is canon

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last time i checked atleast

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 9:03 PM

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also i guess if its real, then its canon
no

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:03 PM

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some are

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 9:03 PM

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some things
not all

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:04 PM

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yea

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 9:04 PM

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which automatically refutes the idea of "real = canon"

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:04 PM

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That’s so interesting Marty O Donnell is canon

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:05 PM

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i think he is

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where

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oh yeah

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Easter eggs are not all canon

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM

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true

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but he is canon

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Yea no

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 9:10 PM

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there's a difference between "the real person is considered canon" and "there's a canon character named after a real person"

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:10 PM

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isnt there someone related to him?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Not anymore postums

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It does

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Fiction isn’t real history

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:13 PM

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both are gone

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wdym

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like when it turns into fiction?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:14 PM

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A hundred thousand years ago

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 9:15 PM

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huh

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but first, forerunners and all that stuff is fake, modern is real until other colonized planets and so on

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Sure you can

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Go dig up Africa. If there’s no portal machine, that’s proof

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You’re the one questioning reality, that’s all you

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:20 PM

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"I didn't bring my shovel."

humble yacht Mar 3, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Invisible things still exist

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 9:27 PM

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You will have to be very patient, if that is the case.

opal birch Mar 3, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Disregarding the Forerunners, the other divergence point is some point between modern day and the Interplanetary War in the 22nd Century.

unique rune Mar 3, 2021, 9:32 PM

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That wouldn’t actually be proof because it could be postulated that the forerunners made it invisible until the 26th century
making it invisible would just make it appear there's a Forerunner portal shaped void buried somewhere in Africa

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 9:50 PM

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What was the time difference between odst and the ummm when elites got switched for brutes

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Brutes started killing Elites and taking over ships just before Regret left New Mombasa.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Oh

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I see

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That makes sense

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Probably part of what prompted him to escape

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Because there were dead elites in odst

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How many bosses have been in halo I think it was 2 right

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:03 PM

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gilded mason Brutes started killing Elites and taking over ships just before Regret left New ...

Do you think that is the true reason behind Cortana detecting confusion in their chatter?

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:03 PM

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That and humanity

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The elites were fighting a 2 front war

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I didn't mean to tag you, by the way. The system automatically does that when I edit a message.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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pulsar pivot How many bosses have been in halo I think it was 2 right

I think that there is one boss encounter in HW2.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Hmm

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What about the main games

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Just 2

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:08 PM

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versed helm I didn't mean to tag you, by the way. The system automatically does that when I ...

Don't worry, I am perfectly fine with people tagging me if it's not just to spam

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And I'd say perhaps a bit, yeah, if Brutes were acting suspicious.

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:10 PM

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All right. I just wanted to clarify, regardless, because some users dislike it.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Warden eternal

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And tartarus

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:11 PM

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You have forgotten about Sesa. ;-;

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Poor Sesa.

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And Regret

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:12 PM

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I still find it to be ironic how Sesa's crew reference the Rings when making blasphemous remarks.

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Similar to how non-religious people still make references to god

versed helm Mar 3, 2021, 10:14 PM

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As for Sesa, he could have been a very effective member of the SoS.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Sesa?

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Sesa 'Refumee?

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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OOOOH

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The Heretic Leader

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Yes.

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Yeah I didn't know his name

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So 4 bosses

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Warden

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Tartarus

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Sesa

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And regret

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

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does the didact count as a boss?

gilded mason Mar 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Nah

steep ether Mar 3, 2021, 10:46 PM

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i guess hes a boss, just not in normal gameplay

pulsar pivot Mar 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Yeah he is just a series of buttons

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And then there is Jul 'Mdama

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SNAP

terse lava Mar 3, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Meh

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Yeah he was meh but spartan ops made him interesting

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Halo just has a poor track record with boss encounters. Sesa wasn't all that different than a normal enemy encounter, Regret was just boarding his hover chair and beating him to death (though that was a little amusing), Tartarus was wait til his shields drop then shoot, killing 343 GS was lame, and the Warden was cool but overused.

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I think I prefer that H4 just used a QTE with the Didact.

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Though I think a cutscene would have been preferable

craggy sierra Mar 4, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Halo’s gameplay and the concept of bosses are really opposing concepts

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Mostly cause bosses in gameplay exist to test mechanical mastery and Halo’s mechanical mastery is the ability to dispatch enemies quickly and cleanly with very little in the way of movement mechanics to test.

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It’s why I don’t begrudge the Didact’s QTEs given how it went last time Halo tried it.

normal shard Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 AM

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I mean, in halo 3, scarabs always felt like bosses, especially on heroic or legendary. In particular, the ones towards the end of "The Covenant" felt like bosses. It had to do with mechanic mastery; We were given lots of tools, to fight a lot of enemies, but also to try and maneuver around the scarab and kill it.

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Overall though, halo always felt better with enemy waves instead.:P

craggy sierra Mar 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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What?

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You literally just circle strafe in a hornet to win

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They are literally powerless to stop you if you just hold your two sticks horizontally opposite of eachother

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Scarabs feel more like just big hunters

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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They might as well be

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They are lekgolo as well

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That would be interesting if they did a actual boss

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With all of the mechanics

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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I feel like you completely ignored what Wafflesauce said regarding Halo's mechanics

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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I know

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But it would be interesting to see what they do

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Interesting... with gameplay that doesn't lend itself well to having cool boss encounters.

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*correction: gameplay that historically hasn't lent itself well to having cool boss encounters.

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:26 AM

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No

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It hasnt

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But they were cool enemies

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Not boss fights

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Cool as in enemies to fight or as in being cool bad guys?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Bad guys

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Ok

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Didact was a good baddie

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Prophets

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Good

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Tartarus was insane

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And so is the new guy

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Prophets were good in Halo 2

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Truth was lame in Halo 3

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:38 AM

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He was a fanatic

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 5:38 AM

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I hate how Truth had a new VA in 3

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:39 AM

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They probably either couldn't get the original VA for him

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But the thing with Truth is that he acts completely different in H3 compared to how he acts in H2

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H2 Truth is a schemer, H3 Truth decided to drink the kool-aid

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And there really isn't a huge time jump between the 2 games

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Arbiter went from being at the forefront in 2 to getting the background treatment in 3

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Sometimes I forget he is even there

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:43 AM

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I cant

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He always rushes in

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And dies

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Because heroic

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:45 AM

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And Bungie decided to change Miranda Keyes's VA for the random reason of "wanting to give her an accent" even though she still sounds like she has an American accent.

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:46 AM

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She had a accent?

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Wha

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:46 AM

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No she didn't in H2 or H3

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Wierd

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:47 AM

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she just had a generic American accent in both games

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and Bungie changed VAs because they wanted to give her one

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Like I dont like how she looks in the anniversary

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Its wierd

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:48 AM

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she still sounded American in both games

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 5:49 AM

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cedar surge Sometimes I forget he is even there

Because people complained about Arbiter missions in H2

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Imagine complaining about arbiter

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Bungie also gave Miranda one of the corniest lines in Halo 3, "To War"

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Jesus crist

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 5:50 AM

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🤣

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:50 AM

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The first time I heard that it was ok

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Now it's just wierd

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:50 AM

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I didn't like it back in 2007

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:51 AM

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The worst part is that after that,she walks back down to give actual orders

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It felt so awkward

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:51 AM

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The Marines are asking for a rally point and Bungie has her say a dumb one-liner instead of actual orders

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:52 AM

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He must been thinkin

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"So where do we go to the city of war"

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Arbiter must have been thinking "no wonder the covenant was winning the war"

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:53 AM

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I think its fine

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It's a 1 liner

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They cant all be great

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"Dont make a girl a promise you cant keep"

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:54 AM

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And the thing that's annoying is that she's been shown to be a decent officer and Halo 3 just is not consistent

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:55 AM

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But she yeeted that brute off the platform with a pelican

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Best thing she did

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Her nagging about the rings firing gets annoying

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:56 AM

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She also thought it was a good idea to charge without any back uo

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Yall listen to her

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Charge?

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When?

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Seriously how hard would it be to ask some elites,or some marines,or some odsts yo help her

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Remember?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:56 AM

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OOOH

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:56 AM

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When she crashes the pelican in the control room?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Yeah that was kinda stupid

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Not kinda

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It was the whole

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Fair

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Like took some marines

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Or odsts

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They would've been dropped dead the whole of the brutes in that area

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Halo 3 is just the weakest of the OG trilogy story wise

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Yes

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Mmmmmmmm

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I'm not gonna agree

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Because my body wont let me

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Oh yea waffle talking about chief having no self motivation reminded me

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 5:59 AM

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It was supposed to be part of Halo 2 but they ran outta time so that may be why

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:59 AM

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They had to "Finish the Fight"

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Remember in CE when chief was about to fire the entire halo array killing everyone?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Skill

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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And he didnt ask spark once what the halos actually did or what they were for?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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There is a reason cortana exists

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Mabye after Cortana told him

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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someone summon Waffle, I want to hear him talk about it again

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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No

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But before

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Oh yeah

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Cortana quite literally stopped john from killing everyone in the galaxy

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Cortana saved the galaxy

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Because he never asked spark how activating halo would stop the flood

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Once

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 6:01 AM

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And now she's enslaved the galaxy.

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Cortana should have held that over him for the rest of her life

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Hey the flood is scary I wouldnt ask questions about it either

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:02 AM

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You wouldn't ask how halo would stop the flood?

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Not really

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 6:02 AM

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MC I think was too frightened by the Flood to talk, as he doesn't speak again until Two Betrayals

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:02 AM

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I would hear it stops them

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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still would have been smart to ask how it does the thing

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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The Flood is terrifying

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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stable flower MC I think was too frightened by the Flood to talk, as he doesn't speak again un...

Actual canon or headcanon

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Well that's what yall would do

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But I would be sold on the kills flood

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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It's a WMD, of course you ask!

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 6:03 AM

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I think The Flood mentioned something about him being frightened

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Like trying to stop a zombie apocalypse by going to a nuclear silo and not once questioning the person leading you how that would stop the zombies

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:04 AM

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He didnt know that the halo was a superweapo..
Oh wait he did

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Ok mabye I would ask

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But yeah

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:06 AM

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My excuse for chief is that he is so used to taking orders and not questioning them he naturally defaulted to it with spark

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Yeah that's fair

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Only thing I could think of for his dumbest moment

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Chief only knows how to act somewhat normal around his fellow Spartan-IIs

stable flower Mar 4, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Being conscripted at age 6 into the military to fight a large-scale insurrection can do that to you

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:09 AM

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anyone else it's either "yes sir/ma'am" for officers and awkward silence with regular military personnel

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except Johnson, he's like the only enlisted man Chief isn't completely awkward with

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:10 AM

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Well it used to be awkward silence

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Now he is able to calm normal people down like he did to the pilot in the infinite demo

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:11 AM

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He has grown

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 6:11 AM

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Instead of the hand on the shoulder moment for the marine that asked if they were gonna make it

opal birch Mar 4, 2021, 6:12 AM

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At least there's still a bit of Halo 4/book MC in Infinite

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I would be legit ticked off if they went back to Bungie Chief.

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 9:08 AM

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opal birch I would be legit ticked off if they went back to Bungie Chief.

I am hoping that they use a hybrid of portrayals as a compromise.

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 11:43 AM

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cedar surge My excuse for chief is that he is so used to taking orders and not questioning t...

Selective hearing maybe I mean spark was really annoying sooo can you blame him 😂

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Kinda felt bad Sesa died after I learned about him

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 1:52 PM

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He was still the arbiters number one fan even after they killed him

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 1:53 PM

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lmao

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All he had to do was explain to the arbiter and he'd probs still be alive

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Like the Arbiter was already questioning his loyalty at that point

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:55 PM

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He knew he wouldnt listen

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 1:55 PM

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Maybe he could have convinced the arbiter better if he didn't start blasting as soon as guilty started explaining

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:55 PM

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Mabye

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But yeah

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Plot

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 1:56 PM

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But thats BS because the Arbiter did stop long enough for him to say his piece, instead he used the opportunity to shoot at the arbiter

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 1:56 PM

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At that point Thel likely would have ignored it, as Sess thought. This is immediately after Thel.has been given a chance to redeem his honor and his bloodline

carmine sleet Mar 4, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Also remember the station was falling, not much time for talking there

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:57 PM

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And their was flood

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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So now I think about it,arbiter basically destroyed an entire forerunner station

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Hmm

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Woildnt some of the covenant get mad about that?

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Its not like the small pieces of tech they scavange for

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Its an entire station

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Well was it that bad if their was already "The Parasite" on it

carmine sleet Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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Aye, they likely let him off due to the Flood being set loose by the Heretics

ruby rose Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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He already allowed a sacred ring to be destroyed

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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As Regret said, the Journey requires sacrifice

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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cedar surge Woildnt some of the covenant get mad about that?

He's the Abriter, they already hated him at is

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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Its not the first time the Covenant had to destroy a forerunner place

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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What are they gonna do

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Make him a second arbiter

ruby rose Mar 4, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Arbitest

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Arby

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We got the meats

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Why did they actually make Thel an Arbiter? Because to my understanding the Covenant only give the rank of Arbiter if they really need it

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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The demon

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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They do that when a elite has a high position that rivals the prophets

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Heck, the Covenant have to take apart forerunner tech to use it. They appear to only be mad when proper respect is not shown to the technology of their gods

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:02 PM

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So they wait until that elite commits a "heresy"

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So that they become shamed and turned into a arbiter,lose their political power,and are sent on suicide missions until they die

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So its more of apolitical thing

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:03 PM

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He was given the rank because he was in charge of the Covenant forces at halo. Thus its destruction was placed on him

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:03 PM

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They usually give criminals the rank of Arbiter, usually they committed heresy

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Not criminals

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Well actually yes

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Like the arbiter in HW1

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Who tried to start a revolt

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And got turned into a arbiter

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Thel committed one heck of a heresy

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Ring gone

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Technically it wasn't his fault

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Well he didnt commit the heresy

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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They didnt care

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Prophet of Stewardship was the reason

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:04 PM

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It was the demon who did

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Oh yea

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Yeah

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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No but like there is usually a dire situation as to why they name someone an arbiter. For example, the Grunt rebellion and the Taming of the Lek Golo

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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The prophet wouldn't allow bombardment

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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He just wouldn't alllow them to fire on the ship at all

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Hold on wasn't Rtas technically fighting with the prophet not thel?

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Also its space

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Its big

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:06 PM

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No? He was stationed on Thel's s ship

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Are they that incapable of hitting their shots?

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The autumn is not a small or fast ship

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:06 PM

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The prophet was afraid a shot would hit the ring.

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:07 PM

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They also specifically told Thel at the ring not to fire at the Pillar of Autumn so he wouldn't damage the ring, which was something they got mad at him over

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Its forerunner

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Which can be damaged by plasma

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:08 PM

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They didnt want a single scratch on their new Lamborghini

foggy forge Mar 4, 2021, 2:08 PM

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no they did not

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Hm?

foggy forge Mar 4, 2021, 2:08 PM

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the prophets didn't want to damage their ring

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Yes

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This was established

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:09 PM

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But the ultimate heresy

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Was killing a prophet

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:09 PM

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How is killing a prophet more of a heresy than blowing up a ring

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:09 PM

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I umm dont know

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Killing a leader of the religion?

foggy forge Mar 4, 2021, 2:10 PM

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its like the difference between killing jesus and killing a pope(no offense )

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:10 PM

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That's like blowing up heavens gate

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Ok I see your point

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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I'm gonna blow up heavens gate

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Funny enough we see that answered in Broken Circle

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Don't

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Wee

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Navcom raid win

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:13 PM

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The prophet of inner Conviction is betrayed by other members of his team, they demand he hands.over a recently found luminary that galo Halo coordinates. He realizes the luminary is more important then him and considered handing it over

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Did he?

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Is this answering why Thel was given the Arbiter Rank?

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Well if he did nobody would be alive right now

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Fair point

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They still would've needed a human

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:15 PM

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No its answering how prophets are less important than the ring

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They can just go to the nearest colony and invade it and kidnap a few thousand humans

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:16 PM

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ah

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:16 PM

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I dunno why they didnt just do that

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:16 PM

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And not have to rely on finding humans like in 2 and 3

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 PM

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@pulsar pivot no, he didn't, kept it, but later lost it as they left the planet

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Hmm

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 PM

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and the covenant going to adopt a human child in the tv show which sounds really dumb

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Because the covie species get hangry easily

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Why would they raise a human child

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Instead of just kidnapping a human

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Eh they would have been out of luck at that time. Inner Conviction lived 3400 years ago

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Or just kidnapping a few thousand

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Covenant are dumb

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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And if they wanted inside information

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Work with the innies

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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The covenant likely just didn't wanna get out of their way to do it

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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The innies are so gullible

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:18 PM

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What is a child gonna know

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"Well I can count to 3"

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Its a genocidal war against humanity for religion

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They would go out of their way to invade

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And they would use innies

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Because they already have done this before

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Was the second ring also discovered accidentally

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:19 PM

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I have no clue

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Hmm oo

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Ok

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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I do not have high hopes for the t.v. show

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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No but I'll still watch it

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This better be good

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Yea I will to

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Yea its been announced since 2013

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The production quality will obviously be high

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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What have they changed

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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@pulsar pivot the second ring was found by Regret via a luminary found on Merdian

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Oh

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They got glassed

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Yep

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Not completely

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Well somewhat

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Meridian kinda survived

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Thanks to the air force

foggy forge Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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terse lava <@709849959456833609> the second ring was found by Regret via a luminary found o...

i remember seeing that in a terminal

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Mhm, took his underlings a year though to piece it together

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Interesting

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So there are like 10 rings left

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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And then regret just ran ahead of everyone with his fleet and invaded earth

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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And got clapped

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Well a unsucceful invasion

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Yea

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The fleet destroyed

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Very

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They knew they tricked up

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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There was supposed to be iirc a 500 strong covenant fleet that would invade earth

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Before blue team blew it up

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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500 ships

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Yep

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Oh boy

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How many did blue team take out

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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500

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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How?

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Was it a bomb

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Blowing up the space station they were around

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 2:25 PM

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OH YEAH

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I thought you were talking about a event in 2 I didnt notice

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Yeah

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That was one heck of a dent

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It's kinda scary when you think about how many covie ships chief took out

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:28 PM

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@cedar surge only 7 rings in the galaxy

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Hm?

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I was talking about the covenant fleet blue team blew up?

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 2:30 PM

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He thought you were talking of Regret's fleet

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Since chief takes out a carrier

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Still find it funny how losing 500 ships did utterly nothing to the Covenant

limpid meadow Mar 4, 2021, 3:15 PM

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It did affect the Covenant, probably quite seriously.

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However, as the war ended only a few months later, we never got to see how severely it affected them.

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 3:17 PM

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I kinda doubt it did, I’m pretty sure they had thousands of ships at their disposal, 500 is probably a pretty small fleet to the Covenant.

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Oof never mind

limpid meadow Mar 4, 2021, 4:39 PM

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No matter how many ships the Covenant had, a loss of 500 is going to hurt.

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:20 PM

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like the time they lost 300 to cole

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 5:34 PM

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What happens during a "Grand Star Season"?

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Grand Star Season was a Forerunner ceremony. On a certain day during the season, all Forerunner rates were permitted to wear similar ceremonial headgear.

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fromm halopedia

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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I think that it would be interesting to see a practice of ceremonies and celebrations in this universe.

ocean ibex Mar 4, 2021, 7:19 PM

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main hill I kinda doubt it did, I’m pretty sure they had thousands of ships at their dispo...

500 ships is a massive number, 500 is not a fleet, it’s an entire armada

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Though I feel that to a many-thousands-of-systems controller that has existed for several thousand years, 500 should basically be a drop in the bucket.

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I mean how big was the Fleet of Particular Justice?

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 7:23 PM

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A terminal apparently says about 60 ships

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

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It says up to 341 during the attack on Reach

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Huh.

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Got the quote about it?

main hill Mar 4, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Size: At least 60 ships · 341 ships at the combined assault on Reach (2552)

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Try not to use Halo Alpha for Halo stuff; use Halopedia instead. And a paragraph further below clarifies that the 341 (actually 314, the infobox made a typo), is gotten from combining the numbers of all the fleets there, not just Thel's fleet.

ocean ibex Mar 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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I find it kind of annoying that the word armada is almost never used when describing hundreds of ships

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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is moa the official name for the species that grunts are?

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 8:17 PM

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No, "Unggoy" is their name

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Moa is that one animal species on Reach

steep ether Mar 4, 2021, 8:35 PM

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also an extinct species on earth

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Yeh

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 8:36 PM

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The Moa originated from Earth?!

unique rune Mar 4, 2021, 8:42 PM

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No

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Reach's moa are named after an actual extinct species of terrestrial flightless bird

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Just remembered that Reach achievement to kill 7 moa during mission 2 of Reach

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 9:14 PM

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unique rune Reach's moa are named after an actual extinct species of terrestrial flightless ...

I was never aware of this information. Thanks.

pulsar pivot Mar 4, 2021, 10:10 PM

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versed helm Just remembered that Reach achievement to kill 7 moa during mission 2 of Reach

There are only 2 tho

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:22 PM

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gilded mason Though I feel that to a many-thousands-of-systems controller that has existed fo...

Well that number is from the start of the war right? After 27 years they would have lost thousands of ships to the unsc. It might have been nothing to the covenant at the start of the war but they definitely would feel it near the end

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I think this is even addressed with fleet battles or warfleet saying that the covenant had to start pulling patrol ships and fleets to the front line to replace combat losses

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I'm just saying', if the UNSC can completely rebuild their homefleet twice in the span of a couple years after losing most of their production capacity, this should be no issue for the Covenant.

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:25 PM

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The power of neeeding the enemy to seem like a threat and not horribly crippling the unsc is overwhelming

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Also they could have pulled ships from other fleets

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Perhaps, though it's also noted that they produced hundreds of the new and high-tech Stridents just after the war ended

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Maybe they were already in production before the war ended?

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Nah, specified to be after the war

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Post war unsc seems very inconsistent

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Extremely. Basically, post-war for UNSC is written to be weirdly overly undamaged while post-war Covenant is written to be the opposite. It's really annoying

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Sometimes they are massively crippled or doing really well

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Like that economic boom that came out of nowhere

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Yeah

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Which even halopedia acknowledges is strange

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But there is also the thing where the unsc is written way too weak

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Like how in kilo 5 a single covenant cruiser was going to "glass earth"

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Yknow

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:35 PM

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cedar surge Like that *economic boom* that came out of nowhere

Like, that only really works if your production sector isn't that hard hit, which the UEG most definitely was.

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Forgetting the defense platforms,the entire fleet there

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Yea

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We went from 800 ccolonies to a few dozen

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So probably 60 to 80 colonies left

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Ooo covie chat

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Some of which left the UEG

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 PM

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And remember some amount aren't even "true" colonies

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But instead research platforms and the like

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 PM

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So the UEG is supposed to be the galaxies biggest loser right now

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But they are not

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Exactly

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It's contrivance

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Because I imagine 343 didn't want to write about that

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However, a perfect way to sidestep this?

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Make Halo 4 take place a couple decades later

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Boom, done

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:37 PM

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That is what should have been done

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:37 PM

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20 years at the least

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4 years is too soon

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Its silly to really think the UEG jumped back, even more so with Reach and Earth gone/heavily damaged

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Most of the population is even dead

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Yep, yes somehow, with what is pretty much a single discount CAS carrier, dominate everyone

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Lasky's "we are the giants now" sure isnt helping

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Because the elites did all the hard work of destroying the covenant

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Tall midget feels more accurate

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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It's one reason why I want Infinity destroyed in Infinite. At the moment, it's a symbol of "Humans are the best! HFY! HFY! Humans are gonna kill all those dirty aliens!"

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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The banished,the SoS,any large covenant remnant came come back to round two with humanity and win

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Oh you just reminded me

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I Remeber a character in kilo 5 saying "they should fear us" as the infinity bombarded a covenant holdout on sanghellios

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Hahaha

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Yep, Vaz

versed helm Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Seeing the UNSC Infinity makes me think of the Death Star.

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Of course it was him

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Conveniently forgetting humanity got trashed for the last 27 years

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Thel: you exist because we allow it

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:44 PM

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What makes this even funnier is that in escalations the infinity nearly gets destroyed by a covenant station

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, one quick strike from a standard energy projector

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:44 PM

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It gets beaten like a Saturday morning villian

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:44 PM

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So the infinity could be easily destroyed by a large and powerful enough covenant fleet

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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wont even need a fleet

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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And since projectors have a much greater range and maneuverability than MACs...there's really no contest.

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Which is why the unsc did correct for trying to do diplomacy

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Except for oni

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Well no on e cares about ONI

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Which they did behind the UEG's back

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Its like ONI is trying to start the war again

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Making them a rogue agency

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Unfortunatly ONI can't be destroyed

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The unsc needs it

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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An intel agency, at least

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Well don't forget, we still have Nizat's plan

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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And its unfeasable to find and ttrack down every ONI worker

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Could end up taking out some ONI/Created area thanks to it

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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A good move for 343 to make is to make it so that the Created basically necessitated a full overhaul of ONI from top to bottom

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:47 PM

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First time I'm glad for the created

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Making them an actual intel agency rather than the thing it is now

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:47 PM

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At least the unsc and ONI can be rebuilt for the ground up now

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Exactly

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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True

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Toss out the trash

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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This is the only thing I like about the created uprising

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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The only question is, will 343 actually do this?

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Since at the moment, writing implications are very...two-faced

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 PM

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IB the turn cortana good again and every AI in the created says sorry and comes back to the unsc

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And everything goes back to normal

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Like it never happened

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:49 PM

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🥲

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Don't forget all the Covenant get composed

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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I don't like the created but they should finish what they started

terse lava Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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So its a human galaxy

cedar surge Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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And not do a cop out

gilded mason Mar 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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terse lava Don't forget all the Covenant get composed

Robot Sangheili could be cool