https://www.halopedia.org/Human_colonies#List_of_known_colonies if you want to see more
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
main hill
I highly doubt the UNSC moved outside of the solar system though ngl
If they did I feel like they would've found the Covenant way sooner
cedar surge
yes
pulsar pivot
Hmm
cedar surge
no the unsc was pretty active
pulsar pivot
Interesting that I knew
cedar surge
the covenant destroyed hundreds of colonies
main hill
The problem was, as with any Empire, the
further the extended the less control they had over outer colonies, so outer colonies were extremely easy targets
ashen abyss
Were all civil planets? or some used for military and resource purpose?
cedar surge
the unsc can get extra sometimes
for example
a colony rioted
so they nuked it
the whole colony
so yea
the unsc spent most of its time fighting innsurrectionists
main hill
oh yeah, that was like a bi thing with the insurrection
ashen abyss
So were the Spartans created for
main hill
they denied they ever did it but everyone knows they did.
cedar surge
Were all civil planets? or some used for military and resource purpose?
to fight the innies
main hill
They were created to fight the inssurectionists
ashen abyss
but the covies showed up.
cedar surge
yes
ashen abyss
But it was luck the they already had spartans when the covies showed up
cedar surge
humanity would have gone into a civil war if the covenant didn't show up
so in a way
the innsurrectionists prepared the unsc
also to answer this
cedar surge
Were all civil planets? or some used for military and resource purpose?
most were general i would say but some focused on one thing like harvest doing farming,reach being a fortress world and building the fleet
some for mining
cedar surge
yes
ashen abyss
Was Reach the worst loss?
cedar surge
yes
they lost their main military planet
and they lost a large part of the fleet there
main hill
Reach was also really important for ship building
ashen abyss
So it deserved a game
main hill
To give you an idea, Reach was like Pearl harbor in World War 2, most of their military resources were there like how most of the US's Naval fleet was stationed at Pearl harbor
ashen abyss
I get it now
cedar surge
i think its more like if suddenly half of the US military bases blew up
main hill
only difference was that the US was able to recover from Pearl Harbor really fast, which the Japanese didn't expect
cedar surge
since its fall crippled the unsc
ashen abyss
From the games I thought Humans were better than the covenants despite of their number. But now alfter hearing they destroyed nearly 700 colonies, its....like a nightmare
main hill
Technically speaking, Pearl Harbor would have crippled the US's naval fleet, which is why the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor in the first place
Their speed at recovering the loss was completely unexpected
can't really do that when the whole planet is gone
and you've already been losing a war
ashen abyss
Technically speaking, Pearl Harbor would have crippled the US's naval fleet, whi...
Good comparision technique to make me understand, thanks
cedar surge
humans better than the covenant? in tactics sure
but in fighting ability no
plasma is powerful
main hill
what
cedar surge
like one shot blowing you in half powerful
main hill
did we change subject
cedar surge
From the games I thought Humans were better than the covenants despite of their ...
replying to this
ashen abyss
yeah I asked that in between
cedar surge
the covenant overwhelmed humanity numerically,technologically and
ashen abyss
maybe you didn't noticed MAX
main hill
The general thesis is that the UNSC was better than the Covenant at ground battles but got steamrolled when it came to space battles
ashen abyss
and?
Yeah their shield systems was too powerful to penetrate,
I saw that in fall of reach
unique rune
Technically speaking, Pearl Harbor would have crippled the US's naval fleet, which is why the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor in the first place
it would have if the IJN had actually hit anything of value
craggy sierra
Covenant had shields for a lot of their ground units. That flat out makes them harder to kill.
Piling additional assets like the availability of camo and stuff it was a losing battle on all fronts
versed helm
Did 343i establish that Red Team had energy shields in HW1?
craggy sierra
Beta testers for the full power armour.
main hill
Yes but in ground combat the UNSC had superior tactics.
cedar surge
not always
main hill
Usually
cedar surge
doesn't matter how good you are at ground battles if they can just bombard you from space
main hill
Yes hence why I pointed out the UNSC was steam rolled in space
ocean ibex
Yes but in ground combat the UNSC had superior tactics.
It was usually back and forth between them
versed helm
Are the energy shields of Jerome's power armour stronger than the system in the Mark V variant?
ocean ibex
No
versed helm
Doesn't the Mark V set have the weakest shield integrity as well?
humble yacht
well it's the earliest iteration of energy shields for spartans. at least, beyond beta tests
next fox
So how powerful was the flood exactly during their silentium levels?
humble yacht
they were on the verge of wiping the galaxy of all life
main hill
You think Captain America’s augmentations are on the level of the SIIs
humble yacht
it's difficult to tell
spartan II's are certainly more durable than Cap, but comparing feats of strength and speed depends on which version of cap you're looking at
ocean ibex
Yeah, it really depends on which version of cap you’re looking at, in the movies his running speed can get up to about 40 mph, and in the comics he can knock out people that weigh about 10 tons with a single punch
So their punching power are roughly equal
pulsar pivot
Master chief so OP that he got a Grapple shot while in space
cedar surge
So new book called divine wind is coming
craggy sierra
He had that in Shadows of Reach
gilded mason
So new book called divine wind is coming
Glad to see Gadogai
cedar surge
Is that castor too?
gilded mason
Yeh
cedar surge
Do you recognize the woman
gilded mason
And Veta, I assume. And a...prelate?
cedar surge
Yup
terse lava
With Covenant?
cedar surge
New canon fodder just 40 minutes ago
gilded mason
It's a sequel to Shadows of Reach
cedar surge
I wasn't expecting that
gilded mason
Followin' the ferrets and the Keekers
cedar surge
Thought castor and g would show up in infinite after they left
gilded mason
(Don't die, 'Gadogai.)
terse lava
Looks promising, tiny lit down it wasn't some Covenant-centric book
cedar surge
Though yea
The last of the keepers was around 40 on a gunship
Vs
A banished occupied ark
Oh wait
You think the SoF will show up in the book?
terse lava
Maybe
cedar surge
Hope a lot of banished perspectives
terse lava
Irony, though I would like some expansion on Let
cedar surge
Let?
gilded mason
'Volir
cedar surge
Oh the banished spim
terse lava
Spim?
versed helm
A minority of Halo's audience seem to care about him, unfortunately.
gilded mason
Doesn't help he was given basically no role at all
terse lava
Pretty much, but I still like him over the others. He does what he can for the good of his crew
gilded mason
Indeed, sadly
terse lava
Mhm
versed helm
I think that he has the best visual design that we received from 343i so far.
pulsar pivot
Poor guy got turned from a ship master to a secretary
versed helm
The voice actor delivered an impressive performance too.
terse lava
Hm, small bright side perhaps for him
Without his ship, he could have the term, "Arkmaster" seeing as Nizat suffered a similar fate and became a " worldmaster"
pulsar pivot
Also what is the Harbringer mentioned in that one guys speech
"The Harbringer and the banished have the same Goals"
gilded mason
We don't know, yet
pulsar pivot
Interesting
Isnt it in like HW2
Or 1
God we are in the dark when it comes too halo infinite lore
carmine sleet
Harbinger is not in any of the Halo Wars games
versed helm
I would prefer it if 343i preserves this detail, and prioritises visual storytelling for the game. We don't need another diagram of required material to understand the game.
craggy sierra
You really didn’t even need the diagram for H5
It was all just character backstory
pulsar pivot
Does the moljnir armor make it possible to renter the atmosphere and not die
unique rune
Considering Chief still deploys from an SOEIV onto Installation 05 I'm going to go with "no, not without additional protection".
unique rune
He was wearing an additional reentry pack.
unique rune
pulsar pivot
I see
stable flower
It still hurt him though
versed helm
I mean we've seen both Jerome and Chief with nothing but their MJOLNIR just drop from orbit and survive tho I wouldn't say survival is a guarantee
unique rune
Chief had a chunk of Forerunner metal acting as a heat shield during reentry.
cedar surge
Jerome just straight jumped down with nothing but his suit
unique rune
Quite frankly I don't think we see enough of Jerome's fall to say if he truly did go the whole way in MJOLNIR only.
More consistently we've seen MJOLNIR enter an atmosphere with some kind of protection though. Maria-062 testing the Mk.VI, Chief shielding himself after getting off the Anodyne Spirit, B312 and his M-spec.
Chief presumably getting stuck in debris chunks being pulled into Requiem...
carmine sleet
Considering Chief still deploys from an SOEIV onto Installation 05 I'm going to ...
Chief falls from space in both Halo 3 and Halo 4 and survives. Sure he did have a door in the former as protection but he still survived both times falling from space
fair hazel
he's not hte only one who's done jumps
cedar surge
Jerome,those Spartans who died falling onto tress,noble six
pulsar pivot
I'm guessing lore wise we know basically nothing about halo infinite
gilded mason
Yup
pulsar pivot
Were in the dark zone
stable flower
I feel sad for soldiers who die before they even see combat
main hill
Imagine your a marine, chillin, and all of a sudden like 3 somewhat large drop pods land around you and bam now 60 brutes are right in front of you
we’ll be right back meme plays
acoustic loom
At least Chief can replenish his ammo from their weapons later on, their deaths weren't in vain
versed helm
How common were Armor Abilities for Spartan IVs really?
Does anyone else remember how in awe Majestic were to get their hands on an energy sword and active camo?
another thing that was interesting about the camo, it looked to be closer to Infinite's equipment system than an armor plug-in. He even attached it to his suit like the Drop Wall
normal shard
Not that I'm going on anything official, but I had always assumed they were just assigned abilities based on either rank or specific operation they're working on. Kinda like in real life, when the op decides what equipment you'll be using.
versed helm
Do you think that Jorge-052 would still sacrifice himself, if he knew that Halsey survived the second raid on Sword Base?
humble yacht
Yes
main hill
Yes
It didn’t matter whether Halsey survived or not to him, he cared about Reach and thought his sacrifice would save it
normal shard
We don't know about every human colony, right? Like, even during the human-covenant war, there were some we didn't know about?
gilded mason
Right
normal shard
I see. Was it true that Earth was truly the last stand then, or were there some colonies left undiscovered by the Covenant?
gilded mason
At the time of Halo 3's release, Earth was probably the only one left, but canon has since expanded that number to a few dozen colonies left by then
normal shard
Ahh, I understand now! Thank you guys. 🙂
stable flower
With the Covenant remnants attacking those colonies, I'm surprised no one went like "Ah $@#%, here we go again"
cedar surge
Finally kicking off the covenant from your planet and then the created comes and demolishes you
jolly furnace
So I wonder if non-corrupted Precursor cells could fight off or destroy Flood cells within a body and/or reverse infection in the body or prevent it before it occurs?
Like inject FSC into a living being, then inject non-corrupted Precursor cells into the same being.
See what happpens
And I wonder if it would lead to the production of anti-bodies in the host that could fight off future infections
main hill
Kinda makes sense that there were still colonies left by the time the Covenant got to Earth, because they found Earth by accident
carmine sleet
Well, it wasn't an accident that they found Earth, they just didn't know Earth was our homeworld
Well, more specifically Regret didn't know it was our homeworld. Truth did and had a fleet prepared to invade but that got destroyed by Blue Team blowing up the Uneven Elephant (I refuse to call that station by its actual name)
gloomy gorge
Well, more specifically Regret didn't know it was our homeworld. Truth did and h...
Unyielding Hierophant?😂
carmine sleet
Aye, that station
mental rapids
So where does Halo Wars 2 take place game wise, I think it takes play before Halo Infinite but after what game?
cedar surge
Halo wars 2 is after 5
And it is before infinite
You think the covenants had pets?
mental rapids
Not that I know of but maybe
versed helm
I wonder if the Elites viewed that action as a source of weakness or vulnerability.
mental rapids
So what put the shield around High Charity in Halo Wars 2, was it the sentinels that monitor the ring?
gilded mason
Yeah
junior dome
Where is Lord Hood
stable flower
He's part of the EU now
junior dome
What's that
gilded mason
Where is Lord Hood
Getting drunk on a hidden planet.
junior dome
Also, was the UNSC Eternity ever finished?
gilded mason
Nope
mental rapids
I found the Halo Wars 2 flood story very interesting personally, Halo was a lot of lore to be honest, so much potential, what do you guys think?
stable flower
Expanded universe
versed helm
I don't want the Flood to make a return.
versed helm
It is highly likely to occur.
I just hope that they are engaging and compelling to fight against.
cedar surge
I hope they don't
junior dome
They might not be an enemy
junior dome
My hope is the primordial is somehow involved
cedar surge
Th at is literally in their nature
mental rapids
But we got a game out of it right
cedar surge
A primordial is the closest halo has to a god
Nothing aside from cortana could even dream of fighting it
junior dome
I can imagine a Halo 3 terminal-like conversation between the Didact and the Primordial, or Mendicant Bias and the Primordial
Cortana technically already spoke to the Primordial through the gravemind.
junior dome
Not technically
The gravemind is an amalgamation of minds. The Primordial is one of those minds.
junior dome
So is anyone else that was infected
cedar surge
I never disputed that
junior dome
My point is they are technically separate beings
mental rapids
So where did the flood come from originally? Like how did they become a think to begin with?
versed helm
I am curious to know how Gravemind earned his name.
mental rapids
Not sure to be honest
cedar surge
So where did the flood come from originally? Like how did they become a think to...
Came for the Primordials who became dust to escape from being wiped out by the forerunners to reconstruct themselves later. That dust eventually became corrupted when ancient humanity found it and began feeding it too their pets. After a long time of doing so, I would say the first combat forms cas from these pets
Eventually this lead to the flood outbreak which lead to humanity glassing worlds to stop them,including forerunner worlds wwithout warning
versed helm
I suppose that it is a collection of clinically dead consciences, earning the name, Gravemind.
mental rapids
@cedar surge Thank You, that is very interesting to know
cedar surge
This lead to the flood pulling back while humanity and forerunners were firing
And humanity was devolved,flood came back for round two,nearly took over the galaxy,rings were fired
And yea
That's the histpry
Might be better to just read it up on halopedia
mental rapids
Thats a good place to find information
Cant wait for Halo Infinite, it looks so much better now than before
cedar surge
If you want video lore videos Chaco out halo canon
main hill
You think Cortana will finish the Eternity just to use it against people
main hill
Well I mean I doubt she’s relying solely on her guardians, that’s stupid
gilded mason
Why would it be? Guardians are very much a cut above the ships that everyone else has.
main hill
Well when you have one sole thing you rely on, it kind of becomes a problem when someone finds a way to exploit it
gilded mason
Though when everything else is so much worse, it'd be worth it, even with an exploit
(Unless they go down the weird path of "Hit this button to deactivate all guardians!!!")
main hill
Not really, I mean this was a problem with the covenant, they never innovated their tech so when the UNSC found ways to exploit nothing would ever be done. While the UNSC constantly innovated.
It’s better to have variety
gilded mason
so when the UNSC found ways to exploit nothing would ever be done
Got an example of that? My memory is failing me right now.
main hill
Also, how tf is she going to enforce every planet. If she’s just going based on fear she’s gonna have to delete her whole empire pretty fast if she ends up destroying planets just cuz a few people did something she doesn’t like
Also for an example, when Blue team managed to take a ship during Ghosts of Onyx
They mention the reason they were able to surpass so much of the Covenant’s tech was because they never changed anything
Bypass is a better word
gilded mason
As in, they went past security technology, or something else?
main hill
Yes, they pretty much let the vacuum of space into the ship to kill the entire crew of the ship by surpassing some controls on the ship.
It’s how they were able to take it without almost any resistance
gilded mason
Huh. Nylund's take of Covenant is so at-odds sometimes.
main hill
I mean it makes sense though
gilded mason
And then there's CE, where Cortana had to hack a 100,000 bit rotating encryption key just to open normal doors
main hill
The covenant was an Uber religious empire with an overzealous personality.
A lot of the stuff they used were stuff they had been using for thousands of years with very little change
Thousands might be an over exaggeration.
No it is not
humble yacht
I think the only time covenant tech was subpar was in its security protocols because they didn’t use advance AI like humans do
versed helm
Does a fuel rod cannon emit a definitive scent?
main hill
I think the only time covenant tech was subpar was in its security protocols bec...
Well I mean, that’s one example when it comes to space combat
Another example shown is the UNSC’s usual superiority when it comes to ground combat
With their superior tactics
I mean they even exploited their own tech against them
humble yacht
Yeah but it was never really enough for humanity to get the advantage in the overall war
They were still outmanned and outgunned
gaunt oakBOT
junior dome
How wide is a Halo Ring?
unique rune
Around 318km wide
versed helm
Do any of the alien races celebrate birthdays?
gilded mason
Another example shown is the UNSC’s usual superiority when it comes to ground co...
That's only Spartans. Normal humans just have more of a fighting chance, not victories.
And we know the Covenant also exploits UNSC tactics to their advantage, so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar surge
I think the covenant have tried to reverse engineer unsc AI
Like that time cortana met one
gilded mason
They also used to have more advanced ones until they encountered the logic plague
cedar surge
Well didn't they crack down on making better AI since that's what's led to the firerunners downfall
cedar surge
So dumb AI? Since any AI like mendicant would just be smart AI
humble yacht
that's human terminology. suffice to say, Covenant AI aren't capable of free thought
pulsar pivot
Free will robots are a bad idea on any front
cedar surge
The created proved them right sadly
versed helm
Nothing?
main hill
If the moons weren’t inhabited then they are probably still there and perfectly fine.
Cuz I don’t see why the Covenant would also glass the moons
terse lava
Would be no reason too
stable flower
I assume they'd do it for religious reasons but it'd be a waste of their time and possibly resources.
main hill
There’s nothing on the moons
Ngl the Chainsaw bayonets on lancers in GoW are definitely something the brutes would use
craggy sierra
I assume they'd do it for religious reasons but it'd be a waste of their time an...
what
terse lava
Even in the religious sense there would be no purpose. If anything they likely just checked the moons for human habitation and forerunner relics.
craggy sierra
That’d kinda be like launching artillery into the grand canyon for religious purposes
pulsar pivot
You realise how zealous these guys are
main hill
I don’t even think the moons orbiting Reach are even habitable
There’s literally now reason to glass em
pulsar pivot
I doubt they are
main hill
Even if for religious purposes
main hill
I know I mentioned it earlier, and it would kinda be a ripoff. But I could definitely see brutes using chainsaw bayonets ngl
versed helm
Do you think that Jorge-052 would still sacrifice himself, if he knew that Halse...
I completely forgot that was even a plot point besides Carter’s comment
I wonder what a regeneration field smells like
cedar surge
biofoam?
versed helm
I feel like biofoam would smell like a windex bottle
Regen field is all.. Makes you hear your own heartbeat, regrows your flesh.. Hm
Very interesting lore behind that module. The AA version of it had ONI completely shun the very nature of how it works from even Spartans
main hill
You know what’s kinda of scary to think
versed helm
H-What
main hill
Technically speaking of the scenario rose, Hunters could be as big as they want, they are only limited by colony size and the gravity of what planet they are on
main hill
They could be a lot more huge than what we see in the Halo games
cedar surge
how much they could actually eat
yes
scarabs
goliaths
it depends if there is enough food to feed it all also
main hill
I mean, look at the Hunters in that one Halo Legends short
versed helm
I mean, look at the Hunters in that one Halo Legends short
They were lit
Here’s my theory
Armor Abilities are directly linked to Spartan neurology. Regen fields can be utilised in this way. ONI heavily classifies the nature of how the regen field Armor ability works
Therefore, decent change of it being related to neural physics
I mean, just classifying everything in the lore without giving any hints is boring, but that’d be a fun twist to me
cedar surge
so throwing down a regen generator you got from the covenat
depends on the neurology of a spartan?
versed helm
No, the Armor Ability version. Less compression going on there
But I can imagine a connection
The lore on the drop shield is also similar
Spartans have no idea how the regenerative aspects of it work, nor how you can just summon an energy field by simply touching the ground
There’s a lot of that kind of stuff in Halo that’s overlooked, I feel like touching upon it would make for a very interesting book
Maybe a Spartan, Fred as an example, begins to investigate a “funny feeling” or “twinge” in tandem with using one of the more exotic Armor Abilities. This opens him up to a rabbit hole in his mind, might start hearing voices and linking up with an ancilla telepathically
Similar to Gravemind and John
normal shard
Died probably.
normal shard
I don't know the process of ships landing, especially in the halo universe. I imagine they have some sort of procedure and some equipment to do so, but I dunno.
From what I can tell, it doesn't seem to be written anywhere, how human ships land.
Thinking about it, it might not be as hard as we think. We've seen Halo ships be able to move slow or even hold in one position. It's taking off, that looks like it's a bigger process. lol
normal moon
They got on a pelican in another lz maybe? I dont think they died🤔
normal shard
Yeah, they could've retreated to Castle Base or something.
normal moon
Thats probably what they did, cuz there is almost a complete unit of marine whit you during all the mission
Still that the Infinity landed on requiem
Oh yeah sorry, my bad
normal shard
Didn't the Spirit of Fire enter atmosphere a few times or is that like a frigate?
normal moon
I need to finish halo wars one and two to know it now!
normal moon
Only 2,5km? This isn't that big
normal shard
It was bigger than Forward Unto Dawn, but yes, not as big as the Pillar of Autumn.
normal moon
Okay nvm
normal shard
Also, just because it's a forerunner world, doesn't mean it has a different kind of atmosphere. Not saying you're wrong, but it's stated a few times that their atmospheres are near-exact, if not, exactly like a natural planet's atmosphere.
normal moon
In the EVE universe the smaller ship are like 1 or 2 km long, so for me 2,5km isnt that big lol
But its completly another universe
normal shard
Long-story, short: There doesn't seem to be anything about ship's landing procedures.
normal moon
Just look at the Halo, their not even planets but they have atmosphere
And its one of the newest
But I mean if you compare to the spirit of fire, the pillar of autunm is newest
normal shard
Idk if this makes a difference but in Halo Reach, we see the PoA use special equipment to hover and eventually lift off into space, before detatching from said-equipment and leaving. Maybe it used similar/same equipment to hover and land.
normal moon
Yeah it could, but it would be a expensive way to land and hover
normal shard
Whenever they need to land again, they would've (if they survived) arrived at [Insert Colony Here], the colony flies up equipment, attaches it, and they land.
normal moon
Yeah exactly
normal shard
It's literally meant to be disposable. We do it IRL with our space shuttles.
normal moon
Just stay in orbit and send smaller ships on the colony
normal shard
Because it's got a certain amount of thrust, and then it becomes useless. It's like how the Sabre launches too. It launches, detatches, and continues on its own power eventually.
It's made to be disposable.
normal moon
Because it add mass to the ship so it cant get enough thrust to get out of the atmosphere
normal shard
Yeah, it also has to do with weight. I'm reading right now, that it isn't just because of fuel; It's because it's extra weight that isn't needed. Plus, you say it's a waste of money, but it's needed to escape the gravity of a planet. So as long as you can make more (and it's the UNSC so they clearly can) then you're golden.
I mean, we're dealing with a humanity that has a lot of colonies that they pull resources from to do this kind of stuff.
normal moon
Yeah, plus if it work since we started exploring the space, why change the way we do it
normal shard
The main change they made seemingly, other than slipspace drives and stuff, is made the ships bigger, and so, made the rockets bigger I guess
versed helm
I completely forgot that was even a plot point besides Carter’s comment
It seems that Bungie misused this element to the narrative, to be honest.
I can understand why people find Noble Team to be bland at times, which is why I would like to see 343i compensate for this by creating a game where we see them again. They could easily develop a game that features Thom-A293.
normal moon
If Im not wrong Thom is the former noble 6?
normal shard
Yes
jolly furnace
I am curious to know how Gravemind earned his name.
Its made up of the minds of many beings living (dead effectively once infected) and dead. Hence Grave Mind is accurate descriptor
normal moon
That would been an awesome game, if bungie would do it, cuz 4 and 5 arent the best halo game we saw
versed helm
It is unlikely that Bungie will ever work on another Halo title.
normal moon
Yeah I know, thats kinda sad
jolly furnace
We likely wouldn't have gotten many of the great books we have if they were still involved
versed helm
People theorise that Thom managed to survive, lol.
jolly furnace
Also Halo 4 would have been very different if it ever existed
Thorn:? Survive what?
versed helm
I am not referring to Spartan Thorne.
jolly furnace
no idea then
versed helm
People believe that Spartan Thom-A293 managed to survive the blast radius of the explosive device. It reminds me of the optimistic theories for Spartan B-312, lol.
normal moon
Sorry for my ignorance but who is the Spartan B-312?
normal shard
Noble Six. The one you play as.
And regardless, it's canon that Thorn died, but another prequel would be neat.
normal moon
Ohhh okay, but Halsey litteraly said that B-312 is dead, with Reach
normal shard
Exactly, both are dead.
normal moon
Of course
jolly furnace
Could have given himself more time to escape but he didn't
normal moon
Why ? Suicidal ?
normal moon
Im not that sure, cuz the bomb was already activated when he took it
Kat had armed it while running to the ship
jolly furnace
I don't recall how much time he had but it may have been enough to get out
Or rather he could have chucked it in and bolted
Instead he took it himself
versed helm
Why ? Suicidal ?
Bungie needed a reason for Noble Six's replacement, lol.
normal moon
Still that it was a nuke, even if he escaped he probably would died
normal moon
Anyway he died
versed helm
The shockwave would have killed him, even if he managed to evade the initial explosion.
normal moon
Exactly even B-312 had been very lucky when George blowed up the ship in the mission the long night of solace
jolly furnace
So when can we discuss Point of Light spoilers?
normal moon
In the spoiler chat maybe?
versed helm
So when can we discuss Point of Light spoilers?
A month after its release.
jolly furnace
They won't let you in spoiler chat not even blank em out
versed helm
The book has not even officially released yet. People have simply received their copies at an earlier date.
jolly furnace
I know but its ya think they;d allow spoilers if blanked out and a disclaimer before saying spoilers for Point of Light
versed helm
It seems that Bungie misused this element to the narrative, to be honest.
Staten doesn’t always hit the mark with character development, but even when he doesn’t, the overall vibe the story brings can make them likeable anyway xD
versed helm
Staten doesn’t always hit the mark with character development, but even when he ...
I agree with you. People need to accept that Bungie have made mistakes in the past, lol.
Jorge-052 is probably my favourite member of Noble Team.
I’d never exactly had strong feelings for Halo characters, tbh. It’s hard to tell if it’s because of them as people, or the game itself whenever I do feel attached
Same
Well I did feel my heart ache as a kid when I thought John died after Halo 3
So I suppose I have those kind of feelings for Chief
(At the very least)
I have always preferred Thel over John, in all honesty. I think that he conveys more emotion and depth in the games.
True Thel is a G
nocturne owl
How old is the rest of blue team?
lament hornet
How old is the rest of blue team?
John, Fred and Linda were all born in 2511 - Kelly, 2510
So in 2560, Kelly is 50, the rest are 49
nocturne owl
wow wow wow wow wow
versed helm
Hahaha
Why is that so exciting
Wowowowowow mechanical mid life crisis mayhem
“I’m 49 years old, I’ve been doing the same routines since I was a teenager! My wife left me, I thought she was dead for months!”
“Why can’t I use my thrusters anymore?!”
slim thorn
For John-117, he's somehow like around early 40's or late 30's if we count how long he's been sleeping at the cryo pods.
Hell, even Johnson at the age of 70's can still kick some covenant's butt as smooth as a silk.
versed helm
The age regression thing is very sporadic in canonicity
But I’d say Chief could still be combat-active at.. 90?
Considering Johnson’s age
Probably more if he is accelerated genetically by the Forerunner Lifeworker stuff
slim thorn
Maybe, but by his appearance at Halo 4 and when fighting Didact at 03, could be not as much as Johnson
versed helm
Hence why I said it was a sporadic lore point
pulsar pivot
It scares me to think how many covie cruisers that master cheif has taken out
Or how he rkes It with ease
(that depends on the difficulty)
main hill
I like how the only reason the UNSC knows almost anything about the interior of Covie ships is only because of the select few boarding parties that have been conducted by Spartans
cedar surge
Well there's also that fact they hacked the covenant multiple times
craggy sierra
Also probably at least researched a few crashed ones throughout the war
cedar surge
It also probably helps that many covenant sships are just upscaled or downscaled of other ships
main hill
Here’s the ground rules for a scenario I’ve been thinking about for a while
No planet ending weapons, no outside forces at play, and no space craft, if the locusts from Gears of War were to borrow out of the ground on some random outer colony, would the UNSC army be able to fend them off
cedar surge
so how powerful are these soldiers
since the army has hundreds of millions of soliders
and stuff like this
like how strong are these locusts
main hill
Well considering they come out from almost anywhere underground, they have a pretty big strategic advantage, however your average Locust soldier is like a weaker brute
cedar surge
Ah so wait the unsc can use any bomb right?
main hill
I said no world ending bombs
I kinda assumed no nukes out the get go
Cuz just saying like “nukes” is boring
How ever any bomb other than those is perfectly fine
There are other types of locusts as well
Some being weaker but others being stronger
For example Boomers are like hunters without shields and they either use grenade launchers or mini guns
There is also bezerkers that can charge you and are nearly invincible
This without including the locusts “vehicles”
The Locust drones (the Locusts main foot soldiers) have ranks and specialties but they aren’t anything super special. They have shock troopers, grenadiers, and spec ops dudes
last anchor
Gears?
last anchor
Cuz just saying like “nukes” is boring
Nuking the Locusts didnt work anyway. The Hammer only murdered Sera's enviroment.
terse lava
Aren't the locusts just ||mutant humans now||
versed helm
Oh no they didn’t pull a Lela did they
last anchor
Not quite as cute. Far more insidiuous
versed helm
Poor Locusts
last anchor
Ehhh.
terse lava
I dont feel bad for them
last anchor
Im of two minds on it. I miss the original idea, and feel some of the suggestions from 2 were put to the side...
but at the same time the fact they were made like they were just really drives home the entire "humanity did this to itself and continues the endless cycle" thing Gears has been trying to tell for a while.
Which I rather enjoy
terse lava
What was the original?
last anchor
Hints that there had been a semi-sentient species under Sera before, that built the Hollow we see in Gears 2. That enormous structure under the Jacinto Plato
People who worshiped worms and had their own traditions
Then the results of the COGs meddling with Imulsion mutated miners produced viable offspring, who then were released into the cave system to hide them away.
And that produced the Locusts I THINK
It wasnt exactly explained for a while, before the Coalition got involved there wasnt a huge amount of "forward" lore in Gears
Lot of minor stuff, close in.
Very CE, honestly
terse lava
Lovely....I think
last anchor
(Shrug)
Gears has...never exactly been in the same boat as other games with its lore
Its THERE but the majority of it was written by
ungodly shudder
KAREN TRAVISS
No seriously the first four books were written by her and she entirely made the COG into SPACE UK
Down to having freaking Gurkas
DONT EVEN ASK ME WHAT THE OPENING MISSION OF GEARS OF WAR 4 IS SUPPOSED TO BE
I personaly like to think its Hoffman off on a MASSIVE pain med binge
main hill
I do think the UNSC would be at a massive disadvantage because the Locusts are able to burrow up from almost anywhere
last anchor
E-holes can get closed with explosives though
You gotta remember the UNSC has more tech advancement than the COG does since they have spacecraft
craggy sierra
But on the other hand, UNSC has multiple planets, locusts have one, UNSC has planet nukes, and locusts still need a planet
This seems like a pretty solvable issue
main hill
I mentioned in the ground rules, no space craft and no outside forces. Just the UNSC army on one colony versus the locusts
Mainly just so it’s fair
I’m well aware if the UNSC had spacecraft they’d smoke the Locusts before it became a big deal
cedar surge
So what's exactly stopping the unsc from pulling everything back to their bases and bombing everything outside?
They don't need nukes to do that
And how deep are these burrows
main hill
I mean it’s a colony, why didn’t they do that literally everywhere else
cedar surge
Cause ONI could find a way to make a disease or sterilize it
jagged pasture
hey I'm reading halo cryptum, can anyone send me an image of what a war sphinx looks like? I'm curious
main hill
I feel like making disease would one, take time. I mean they have to find a way to make a disease that only kills locusts (a force that just kind of appeared almost from no where).
That’s the main reason to locusts overwhelmed the cog so fast at first
main hill
The locusts popped up pretty much everywhere instantaneously
So they attacked fast in multiple different locations
jagged pasture
https://www.halopedia.org/War_sphinx
thank you friend, you're a friend
cedar surge
Welcome
jagged pasture
dang they look sick
main hill
They do
jagged pasture
I'm hoping to see some of these in infinite
cedar surge
Might make the created too overpowered
jagged pasture
I mean like, deactivated
in a forerunner facility
just so I can see it, recognize it and go "HOLY CRAP THAT'S THE THING FROM THE BOOK"
main hill
I think Cortana doesn’t know a lot about Forerunner tech still or how to create it and that’s why she doesn’t have a bunch of overpowered BS (besides the Gaurdians)
cedar surge
She does have fighters too
Forerunner fighters
That can teleport
Oh yea the war sphinxs description reminded me of this
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Variable_Geometry_Self-Propelled_Battle_Droid,_Mark_I
main hill
I feel like the Promethean vehicles and troops at her disposal, although great, are probably nothing but child’s play compared to other stuff the Forerunners have
cedar surge
Well the prometheans were the forerunner army
terse lava
Thankfully she doesn't appear to get any Forerunner warships
terse lava
They weren't the forerunner army? The Forerunners had flesh and blood soldiers too
cedar surge
You just gave me a dumb idea for a book
A race against time for the unsc to locate and destroy a forerunner fleet before cortana can get her hands on it
cedar surge
They weren't the forerunner army? The Forerunners had flesh and blood soldiers t...
Well part of it?
jagged pasture
"forerunner warships" don't know what these look like but you can see a floating thing that looks like the classic doom plasma rifle floating in the distance in 2 of this month's inside infinite's pictures
cedar surge
That does not look forerunner to me
That looks like a banished ship
Possibley the karver
terse lava
@cedar surge would say they would be more tools then actual members of the army
main hill
Well the prometheans were the forerunner army
The Prometheans were the Forerunner last ditch effort to survive, they weren’t really their main military more or less just something to fill the losses of their actual military
stable flower
I assume the Guardians are the closest the Created have to a navy
cedar surge
If only the forerunners had the technology to produce a dumb AI robot army 😔
main hill
The Didactic wanted to make em their main military but the only way to do that was well, ya’ll played halo 4
cedar surge
If only the grunts were present in the forerunner empire
There would be trillions of prometheans
stable flower
I kinda wanna see Created-loyal Grunts in Infinite clad in Forerunner armor (got that from somebody on Reddit)
cedar surge
Through yea what was stopping the forerunners from making a massive droid army like the C.I.S
Even if they manage to corrupt one AI its a dumb ai and one out of trillions
terse lava
The logic plague had taken the AI in charge of all.Forerunner defenses, and was spreading pandemic throughout their network
terse lava
At first, tou had to have the AI talk with a gravemind. By the end, just being near a flood form tainted the machines
last anchor
I feel like making disease would one, take time. I mean they have to find a way ...
Hilariously thats literally how the Hivebusters operate
terse lava
Offensive lucked out apparently by being so "basic" with a singular purpose. Warfleet shows that near the end of the war, even simple war machines were becoming hard to make
terse lava
Yeah
main hill
Hilariously thats literally how the Hivebusters operate
But didn’t they only create those when there was literally one city holding out
last anchor
No, this is the new games
main hill
Ah
cedar surge
So offensive was the most basic smart AI at the time?
main hill
Don’t you mean Mendicant Bias?
cedar surge
There is two bias's
terse lava
In a sense. You have to understand that even the armor occupying ancilla had a personality.
terse lava
It doesn't help that the Forerunners had AI so ingrained in their lives, they could literally replay a memory before one's eyes or reset your brain
stable flower
I always joked about there being a Defensive Bias
terse lava
Speaking of
last anchor
Ironically Offensive was technically defensive in nature.
gilded mason
Enduring
The cutest one of all.
terse lava
Enduring was in charge of the final shield world made. His relation though to the other 2 is unknown
main hill
Offensive beat mendicant since mendicant turned traitor
Ah
terse lava
@gilded mason Enduring plushy when
gilded mason
They'd sell millions
terse lava
Best part is, its implied he resembles the look of Mendicant from Origins
gilded mason
Yeh
cedar surge
Is enduring the one that got murdered when the unsc and SoS came back to the ark?
terse lava
No
That was 000 Tragic Solitude, AKA ||the composed Splendid Dust of Ancient Suns from Crytpum||
Enduring is currently still at his shield world with the Ussan Sangheili( a group who rejected the Writ) and Zo, the Prophet of Clarity
terse lava
He doesn't even know why he was put there, he has gaps in his memories
cedar surge
Maybe the forerunners should learn to give their AI companionship
last anchor
Maybe the forerunners should learn to give their AI companionship
Least he got some
He has all his bros now
Even got to play matchmaker to a couple of Sangheili
terse lava
Well, both Enduring and Tragic were overall ok
cedar surge
Guilty spark though
last anchor
Snickers about Tragic
cedar surge
And the lazy monitor
last anchor
I mean he almost got Vale as a waifu.
So theres that
Advanced Forerunner AI, meet UNSC plastic explosives and one angry Spartan IV
terse lava
I just wish he had remembered his purpose
cedar surge
Well wouldn't you be mad if some random people stormed into your home,some worshiping your AC,the others just out right taking stuff and then burning your house down
Tragic had a purpose?
cedar surge
Nah i don't want to know
But I have a guess
Is it being a zoo keeper to the animals on the ark?
terse lava
No
I will only say it ties in to the Forerunner saga and the short story Promises to Keep
There's a reason for his name
So better get reading
devout abyss
could the Covenant have won the war if Truth and the Brutes didnt betray the Elites?
cedar surge
the prophets really had no patience
terse lava
Wasn't really lack of patience, but that Truth was running out of time. He had started a genocidal war that was dragging on with the problem that, unlike other races, humanity wasn't even offered a place in the Covenant
The Lekgolo, Yanme'e, and Kig-Yar all faced a similar scenario when they met the Covenant. They were all offered a place
normal shard
And when you think about it; The Elites at that point, didn't need much convincing to turn against the Great Journey. Look at the Heretic Leader and such. He listened to 343 and boom, started rebelling. It took that little-a-time, to undo a millennia of belief.
terse lava
Remember, he was being told by an object he worshipped
normal shard
True, but I'm saying it illustrates the differences between Brutes and Elites. They rebel off of hearing the truth. But when Tartarus hears it, he's like "Fake news, folks!" and continues anyway.
craggy sierra
I mean...not really?
That just explains Tartarus
Atriox was ready to yeet that stuff without even having to be told by a lightbulb
terse lava
It's all about the individual
normal shard
Literally 4 brutes next to Tartarus and they hear it too, yet continue too.
craggy sierra
Yes because that’s probably not the best time to question your career choices.
terse lava
Also the pack mentality Jiralhanae have
craggy sierra
But like lots of elites clung to the religion after the war, and lots of brutes left the religion before the war even ended
Races in Halo are not all defined by a singular personality type
normal shard
I never said they were.
craggy sierra
There’s elites that don’t care about honor and there’s brutes that are highly tactical.
terse lava
Hm?
cedar surge
Is that something from the books?
terse lava
No clue
normal shard
I looked it up. All I can see is a skin from season 6 of the MCC called Black Rhine.
A skin for an AR
Well, several guns have it, but the AR seems the to be the first one. Shrug.
terse lava
Hm fun fun
main hill
I like how the Brute Chieftain canonically can become invincible for a short amount of time, even in the lore.
Like is there an actual explanation for how that works
normal shard
A very strong shield that uses a lot of energy, so can't last long?
unique rune
The way the Invincibility works is by making a hyper-excited electron layer, basically sending plasma-armor into overdrive. The nearly solid electromagnetic layer acts to almost instantly stop, or reverse the trajectory of, anything that comes in contact with it.[citation needed] This means that, while invincible, the subject is virtually immune to all kinds of projectiles and explosives.
From Halopedia.
Do take note that it's missing a citation, though.
Could swear I saw it in an official source at one point or another but it's been too long.
main hill
Nice
I like Installation 00’s theory that Brute power armor works similar to modern day Explosive reactive armor where it send a plasma ray to destroy an incoming projectile when it penetrates the armor before it can do any damage to the user
cedar surge
I don't think the brutes are advanced enough for that. Also why would there shielding would be different than other covenant?
main hill
In halo 3 the brute don’t have shields, they’re power armor works different
And also Explosive reactive armor is a real thing we have now that’s used by tanks. There’s also Electric reactive armor which is surprisingly close to what Installation 00 theorized, just with electricity instead of plasma
It wouldn’t surprise me that they managed to take that type of system and make it smaller
stable flower
Brute power armor behaved like shields for archetypal reasons.
pulsar pivot
Its armor but it behaves like shields
Pop that off there ain't no armor
Yall ever wonder what happened to the skirmishers
pulsar pivot
I see
pulsar pivot
They were skirmishers it makes sense
paper aurora
lol
terse agate
Is Halo lore after Halo 3 even good?
Bungie's lore felt so strong and had such a nice ending, I played Halo 4 and was so disappointed with how 343 took the story. Didn't even play Halo 5, watched the story cutscene compilation on YouTube and reaaaally disliked the story.
I feel like Bungie sold the rights to 343 cause they were finished and happy with what they had created.
Maybe its because I first experienced Halo as a kid and playing those games expanded my imagination so much, playing the new 343 ones now just feels like a kids story. Especially the fireteam or w/e it was called in Halo 4.
normal shard
Hey, just wanted to let you know that Bungie had become a separate, independent company from Microsoft, but Microsoft owned the IP of Halo. Thus, when Bungie was done and left, it was Microsoft's decision to have 343 made and have Halo continue.
To your main point though, many people like Halo 4 and 343's lore/content. Many prefer older halo stuff. Just a matter of preference.
terse agate
Ahh the forfeit of Bungie from Microsoft, and Microsoft procuring 343 makes the lore/style changes make more sense then. I was under the assumption that Bungie passed it on to another company, or that another company requested to purchase the IP.
normal shard
Nope, although Bungie did pass it up, it was mainly to focus on other projects such as Destiny. That's presumably why they wished to be an independent company in the first place; To pursue the projects they want to.
The lore has always been a mixed bag. 343 had a big task ahead of them, continuing Chief's story and so on. I don't think they did the best job in the world (H5) but I think they did pretty good for their first outing. H4.
pulsar pivot
I dont understand why people are trash talking the newer games
I would rather have a mediocre halo than no halo
Each game had their shiny parts
Halo:ce story
Halo2: story, and multiplayer?
Halo3:story and multiplayer
Halo4: story
Halo5: multiplayer
Oh yeah reach and odst
Both are good
Lore wise holy crap
They added 3 more factions with their own lore
Banished
Created
Promethians
normal shard
I agree with your point, that all the Halo games have something good in them. I'll just never defend Halo 5's story. lol. That's literally the only Halo game I disliked through-and-through. That's my personal thing though, I don't think it's objectively bad. -I- just dislike it.
As for lore, 343 has been doing pretty good imo, so I agree with you there too. I don't think more factions really matters, so much as the quality of the factions.
light kiln
Quick question. What is a Cat 2 Spartan?
normal shard
I found the explanation but I do not have a proper source. On a forum, this is what someone wrote, since they lost their source: "Cat 2 Spartan-III recruits were determined to have the genetic aptitude to be on par with the Spartan-II candidates that required stricter genetic protocols. Essentially, they were Spartan-IIIs that would still have been accepted into the program if the genetic protocols remained just as rigorous as they used to be"
Whether it's correct or not, unsure, but it's all I could find. Apologies. =/
versed helm
What is the source for this information?
versed helm
I found the explanation but I do not have a proper source. On a forum, this is w...
According to Halopedia, we are only aware of it being a Spartan Company.
normal shard
Yeah, I literally stated that I don't know, but found that forum thing, and was hoping it helped. You didn't have to tag me over this.
versed helm
All right then, lol.
craggy sierra
Is Halo lore after Halo 3 even good?
Bungie's lore felt so strong and had such a...
Halo 3’s story botched half the characters and tore out most of Staten’s originally intended ending to the trilogy
opal birch
And Halo 4's story actually made the Master Chief a character.
craggy sierra
Yeah
opal birch
something that Bungie never did
versed helm
I prefer the OT chief
opal birch
The Chief had more characterization Halo: The Fall of Reach (the book, not motion comic) than he did in the whole Bungie Trilogy
versed helm
That’s the old Bungie methodology, I suppose. They admitted to preferring characters as being rather blank slate; doesn’t mean they’re low-quality characters
Their quality is directly related to how good the game itself is
Originally, they even thought The Arbiter was way too fleshed out to be playable, and instead opted for him being in the role of Rtas as the player seats in as a random elite
opal birch
I don't care for blank slate characters all that much
Arbiter was the best character in Halo 2
versed helm
That’s fine. But this is just how they thought of it. You wouldn’t care for a sympathetic Jason Vorhees, for example; they saw Chief in a somewhat similar light
But obviously they can’t go completely that route anymore. I feel like Chief is better as a quasi-sympthetic personality
opal birch
Sympathetic bad guys can be interesting
opal birch
that's not same as trust dude
versed helm
“I’m good, no I’m actually bad, I’m good! I’m bad actually. I’m good!”
That is literally Spark
In that order
Yeah, that is a literal summary for Guilty Spark's behaviour.
opal birch
Spark is only interesting in the books
versed helm
Sympathetic bad guys can be interesting
Of course, but it depends on the bad guy. Jason Vorhees? Not so much, even if his background is fitting for it
opal birch
I wasn't specifically talking about Jason, just in general, should've made that clear.
versed helm
I feel like as if I am among a minority of players who find GS to be annoying.
opal birch
Also I need to get a new keyboard, u key doesn't respond half the time and y key loves to imput twice a lot
versed helm
Do you happen to own a Red Dragon keyboard?
opal birch
nope, just an older logitech that I've had for a few years now
versed helm
I wasn't specifically talking about Jason, just in general, should've made that ...
I’d say Chief’s on his wavelength in that context. At least, according to Marty and co
Back in the day
TIL Regen Armor ability in Halo 4 makes an energy field blast that can flip a warthog
That’s badass
Why doesn’t chief ever get issued this stuff by default?
Chief would realistically have as many AAs integrated in the suit itself as possible
opal birch
canonically, I'd imagine most AAs were prototypes, meaning they're stupidly expensive
versed helm
Especially the exotic forerunner stuff
opal birch
that and things like would probably be a big drain on the armor's power supply
even if MJOLNIR is powered with a mini fusion reactor, it probably doesn't generate anywhere near the amount of power that a full size reactor can produce
craggy sierra
That’s the old Bungie methodology, I suppose. They admitted to *preferring* char...
The thing is that that’s an inherently limiting thing to the character dynamics you’re able to write.
Chief never felt like he had much of a relationship with his allies deeper than being an errand boy
And with how Bungie wrote chief, they didn’t so much make a blank slate as much as they just made a character with a really bland personality
versed helm
It was objectively blank slate
One which was done well, in my and many other’s opinions. It’s the reason why people always voted for chief in “who would win” scenarios
The game becomes the character, in that way
craggy sierra
If it was a blank slate chief wouldn’t have spoken at all.
As it was he was low rent Gordon Freeman but with less narrative agency.
opal birch
Wasn't the Rookie the closest Bungie got with making a true blank slate?
I don't remember if he even made a noise
craggy sierra
Pretty much. He also actually had agency over the story along with the rest of alpha nine.
paper aurora
lol
paper aurora
I don't remember if he even made a noise
Yeah no.
versed helm
If it was a blank slate chief wouldn’t have spoken at all.
Let’s not work in absolutes here
craggy sierra
He made grunting noises
paper aurora
Yeah. In my opinion it was a sad death....
craggy sierra
But the thing that ruins chief I find more than anything is that lack of agency. Gordon Freeman may not speak but he doesn’t have other characters constantly dictating his moment to moment actions. He may get pointed in a certain direction by NPCs but the means of getting from plot beat to plot beat is typically left to his full discretion.
Meanwhile chief will have Cortana or some other voice in his ear dictating his moment to moment actions
cedar surge
Well what about the times he went looking for cortana
craggy sierra
Two missions in Halo 3 that probably served as the basis for what ended up becoming Halo 4’s characterization?
Yeah it’s a’ight
versed helm
Meanwhile chief will have Cortana or some other voice in his ear dictating his m...
That was entirely the point of Cortana. Again, they were going to do the same with Arbiter as that role, and it worked out for Chief quite well (for most people)
craggy sierra
I know that’s the point but I’m saying that point isn’t sustainable character writing.
People are going to expect more from characters as time goes on.
cedar surge
One liners isn't sustainable source of characterization
craggy sierra
Halo 2 proved what Halo could be with a protagonist lead that had a character, arc, and personality. Getting a taste of that makes me never want to go back and Halo 3 really made all the worst choices in how it handled that and serves as the poster child for the worst possible implications of how chief’s blank slate philosophy could hamper a story.
Cause it literally made all the characters surrounding him less interesting to not steal the show from him.
In an ideal world that should’ve been the point where he started becoming more interesting. Not leaving that until Halo 4.
versed helm
People are going to expect more from characters as time goes on.
Why?
In Chief’s case, yes. But why does it need to happen as a concept?
coarse trail
Because people get attached to certain characters
craggy sierra
Cause characters make up most of the substance to a narrative. If they just never go anywhere it’s going to eventually start feeling stale even if you keep to place them into new circumstances. They’re supposed to change, learn, grow, and evolve in reaction the changing circumstances that happen around them.
versed helm
They still change and grow, it’s just in tandem with however the games themselves change and grow
There’s still a reference point
craggy sierra
There’s a reference point to who they are yes and chief’s reference point is now a socially stunted result of a childhood military indoctrination program trying to become more of a real person. He’s still stoic and reserved by nature but there’s a personal emlement to latch on to when you see his nature in that regard get challenged.
versed helm
Background doesn’t matter. Same goes for Vorhees — he’s a sympathetic villain with the human traits of jealousy from estrangement, but to actually use that as an excuse to show his emotional side would destroy the character. Again, this isn’t something forced for Chief’s development, but it was the original inception
craggy sierra
I mean Infinite seems to be looking to challenge chief with regards to his dynamic with Brohammer.
opal birch
Jason is a villain of a series of slasher films. John-117 is main character of an IP that has a lot potentially interesting story threads and themes that it could tackle.
craggy sierra
Tbh I don’t know how much more there is to do with him after we get through this current thread but that’s another topic.
opal birch
Definitely
craggy sierra
But as for the chief/brohammer dynamic. I work in IT and weathering heated exchanges with users is a challenge that can rely on a lot of emotional intelligence. The way chief handled the clearly distraught pilot in the demo was a clear indication he’s clearly grown and become a bit more in tune with people who aren’t just god among men super soldiers.
opal birch
I liked that interaction with Brohammer
craggy sierra
I like it cause it’s a good display of the subtleties of character growth. As innocuous as chief’s dialog seemed in that scene it’s all stuff that you’d probably have never gotten out of a pre-H4 chief.
versed helm
I mean Infinite seems to be looking to challenge chief with regards to his dynam...
I like the Pilot, since his contrast makes a good middle ground between H4 John and 3 Chief.
craggy sierra
I don’t think exists to be any form of a middle ground as much as he serves as to be a showcase for chief’s development.
cedar surge
like that time in CE where a marine asks chief if they are going to make it and chief just put his hand on their shoulder
cedar surge
i like to think everyone died because chief was bouncing around smashing into everyone because no seatbelt
craggy sierra
Cause like I said if chief had to deal with just getting yelled at by a soldier like that in the OT he probably wouldn’t even know how to handle it and just awkwardly saunter off without Cortana there to speak on his behalf.
versed helm
I look forward to seeing Bro Hammer as the new Proto-Gravemind. 
opal birch
awkward shoulder pats
cedar surge
I look forward to seeing Bro Hammer as the new Proto-Gravemind. <:pilot:74098852...
no
craggy sierra
Trust me, one liners do little to calm upset people.
cedar surge
the flood destroy any other storyline because now everyone has to stop them
craggy sierra
But don’t be fooled. Chief very much seems to be the chief of H4 and beyond.
pulsar pivot
Yes he is
cedar surge
remember when the first flood level of CE and you find a marine shooting at you with his gun? What did chief actually do there lore wise?
craggy sierra
I forget the specifics but I think it largely amounted to leaving him
terse lava
@cedar surge he just left the marine where he was
chilly marsh
He probably shot the marine and then thought “ I’m sorry. “
paper aurora
In the book the flood He leaves him with a magnum,and runs away.
cedar surge
oh well
chilly marsh
Poor Marine probably didn’t make it that far without being infected.
chilly marsh
Yeah, but I mean it’s the flood.
cedar surge
if you destroy the brain they only get your body
gilded mason
Because his sphere form was pretty damaged and not very usable anymore
versed helm
well obviously but why did he transfer to a promethean soldier
carmine sleet
He had no choice but to use the Armiger body that was there
versed helm
o
i didnt watch any of the lore videos yet but there was an armiger body in halo 3? (not in game obv)
humble yacht
Didn’t he make his own armiger body from stuff lying around?
paper aurora
i think.
gilded mason
According to the Halopedia article about it, but I still need to read the book, myself.
gilded mason
you can tell its different from the face
The one on the cover of Renegades was photobashed from a real life promethean soldier toy
steep ether
oh
gilded mason
That's why it looks wonky
steep ether
while looking up what solders look like on halopedia as a direct comparison i noticed that they classifed the warden eternal as an ai, which is incorrect
gilded mason
Halopedia has that because the Waypoint article also states that he's an AI.
All we know is that he's apparently "not a robot"
copper plover
He's an angry promethean
Also, my fellow lore scribes, would it be possible for a projectile to go so fast it goes through a bubble shield?
humble yacht
No. Bubble shields tend to block things going above a certain speed
copper plover
Oh okay so no matter what its just ot going through
steep ether
imagine a brute just bolting at full speed, trying to get to cover, then it just gets denied
paper aurora
lol
pulsar pivot
BONK
random ivy
Apparently there were odsts that traversed the library?
I’ve read “The Flood” but I don’t remember specifically if there were odsts that went through the library only that one sergeant
terse lava
Only that one Sgt I believe, as Spark grabbed him before the Chief
pulsar pivot
Yall ever realise how deadly a spike grenade would be If you were only in the range of the spikes and not the explosion
pulsar pivot
It's kinda scary when you think about it
Like if it doesnt kill you oh boy will it hurt
But it most definitely will otherwise
terse lava
Yeah
pulsar pivot
Halve the brute weapons are scary
Spiker can tear through you with bullets and blade
Brute shot can blow you to bits
Chopper can split you in 2
Ummm
Spike grenade is scary
stable flower
Yes, if it's your own spike grenade, or if it's on higher difficulties.
foggy forge
how do gravity hammers work?
versed helm
I want unique forerunner equipment pieces
In Infinite, things that are juicy and lore-friendly
last anchor
how do gravity hammers work?
Repurposed gravitic impeller tech, similar to the drives that keep most Covenant vehicles floating
Instead of floating however, it causes a wave of gravity at the point of impact, effectively bending space/time
Plus of course the fact this is a giant heck off piece of metal...in the hands of an angry monke...
foggy forge
Did the brutes come up with that weapon themselves or did the covenant give them the tech to make it?
foggy forge
k thanks
versed helm
But the original design was Brute-based
Yw
Back then it was just a big stone hammer
last anchor
When they joined the covenant they slapped floaty tech onto it because it made their enemies twist and coil on impact.
And if thers one thing the Jiralhanne like its killing things with brutality
It pre-seasons the meat for eating after all
versed helm
The gravity drives themselves can get pretty space magicy
Especially in the Halo Wars games
@last anchor yo
What do you think
Or an equipment piece that lets you use a constraint field
versed helm
The regen field armor ability literally lets you pull a starkiller and flip a warthog over
I’d say it’s still in safe territory
versed helm
Yeah! Try it in Halo 4 Forge
last anchor
Oh thats gameplay then.
last anchor
I doubt it actually DOES that in universe...actually, the depiction of how it works specifically is...oddly missing.
Where?
versed helm
It’s called a kinetic dispersal field
For that reason
The M2705 Regenerative Kinetic Dispersal Field (M2705 RKDF), also known as Regeneration Field, is a piece of UNSC equipment developed by Acheron Security.[2] It is utilized by the SPARTAN-IVs on board the UNSC Infinity.
The origin of the technology that allows the Regeneration Field to do this is heavily classified, per ONI-authored contractor obligation clauses
foggy forge
cool
versed helm
Especially with the latter paragraph
That just borderline confirms it
Spartan IVs were basically Jedi and barely anyone even knew it
versed helm
Jedi Spartans?
last anchor
As close as I can probably describe it, yeah
They tap into the Domain instead rather than the Force
foggy forge
imagine just force pushing a bunch of elites, that would be kinda cool in Infinite
last anchor
Since the Domain already exists and its full capabilities were unknown even to the Forerunners
versed helm
It’s a cool concept. There was a badass game back in the day called PSI Ops, it was a military shooter that let you use psychic powers in standard gunplay
last anchor
I THINK I remember that.
versed helm
Mm, it was underrated
last anchor
Also FEAR too a bit right? With the time-slow.
versed helm
imagine just force pushing a bunch of elites, that would be kinda cool in Infini...
Exactly! I’d love that, it’s more of an interactive piece which makes Spartans stand out (maybe the equipment can’t be used by other people)
versed helm
Also FEAR too a bit right? With the time-slow.
I haven’t played it, but probably. Time Shift tried something similar IIRC
last anchor
Grappleshots a good starting place. Im hopeing a later patch lets you use it like the Leash in Bulletstorm.
foggy forge
I don't know why, but when i play halo i find it satisfying when enemies get pushed of the map.
versed helm
I like the grappleshot
versed helm
I don't know why, but when i play halo i find it satisfying when enemies get pus...
Me too LOL, unless it’s me and Kat’s in the driver’s seat
@last anchor I’m gonna play a Spartan Ops episode to see if it can ragdoll Covenant
I love the episodes when you go into the Infinity
foggy forge
Does Spartan Ops happen after Halo 4? If so how did Jul m'dama control the prometheans
versed helm
Darn, nothing
versed helm
Does Spartan Ops happen after Halo 4? If so how did Jul m'dama control the prome...
It did, and I can’t remember why
In regards to Equipment, I’ve always liked how Halo has always had a slight fantasy element to it, very subtly compared to other Military scifi like Starcraft or 40K, but it’s still there. It’s not like Infinite Warfare, it’s just that tiny bit fantastical
The regen ability for example, had a strange sort of demeanour to it
foggy forge
Yea, halo 4 and halo 3 armour abilities were pretty cool, halo reach's armour abilities are meh
versed helm
Agreed, they could’ve done better with them
lament hornet
Halo 3 had equipment, not armor abilities
lament hornet
Just clarifying, no drama :)
foggy forge
thanks for clearing that up, i got mixed up a bit
versed helm
Yeah Halo 3 and ODST use equipment, which is what Infinite is going back to for reference
Armor Abilities differed in how they were reusable over time, instead of single-use
In that way, Infinite somewhat has both AAs and Equipment technically, but they just pass it all off as the latter
pulsar pivot
Really?
If so thank god
I loved that part
You know what's interesting
That the flood came from some drugged ferrets
queen abyss
I thought they came from mushrooms
pulsar pivot
One of the most powerful races came from drugged ferrets
pulsar pivot
I thought they came from mushrooms
No they came from a powder from a dead Precursor and they found it's way to earth and it makes ferrets calmer
queen abyss
So it didn’t come from ferrets
pulsar pivot
A couple ferret gen later there is suddenly a tumor in some of them
And can you guess what the tumor is
queen abyss
I don’t think my guess is appropriate for this chat
pulsar pivot
And it got bad
foggy forge
i thought it was a prehistoric dog