lore-and-universe

[empty dune]

f for johnson

died to a laser

just when I started to like guility sark

spark

[nocturne owl]

tartarus boss fight was a bit annoying. with wave of energy emanating off him when charging at arby.

[pulsar pivot]

I like how he is still devoted to his cause of killing all of humanity after thousands of years

[pulsar pivot]

Ranged only that fight was

Otherwise you get smashed

With the hammer

[empty dune]

yeah I dont like the new brute in infinite

he does have the scaryness

[normal shard]

Yeah, they tried to explain that as like a malfunction in his isolation orb, thingy. Imo, putting him in modern day was like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[pulsar pivot]

Old brute pog

[empty dune]

of the original

[pulsar pivot]

He got the memes

Craig

Well the brutes have gone over many changes

2 they were apes

3 less furry apes and better armor

[normal shard]

and bigger too, in 3*

[pulsar pivot]

Reach they just looked weird

Yeah

Infinite hmm

Idk

They look interesting

[nocturne owl]

But I wonder how they managed to get the hunters to join the covenant.

[pulsar pivot]

Well

[empty dune]

Bro somebody just said the ai in halo infinite trailer wasnt good

[pulsar pivot]

Bruh

[normal shard]

I know this is off-topic, but I've always hoped for a spin-off game where you fight the insurrectionists or even a spin-off where you fight the remnants of the covenant as/alongside the arbiter.

[empty dune]

Flying grunts

COME ON

[pulsar pivot]

That's like saying halo 3 ain't good

[nocturne owl]

what ai?

[pulsar pivot]

I would love a spin off game where in reach you could fight in that battle

[pulsar pivot]

In halo infinite

Halo ai is dope

[nocturne owl]

Yes, but character ai or the game ai?

[pulsar pivot]

It is better than most ai in games

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

Probably the enemy

Like the ai of grunts, elites, ect.

[nocturne owl]

I see.

[pulsar pivot]

The amount of small details

[nocturne owl]

I reckon a game where Johnson's the main character would be fun. so in other words a prequel.

[pulsar pivot]

Elites kamikaze into you if they have grenade

Grunts run

Jackals run

Hunters dont give a ####

Yeah

[empty dune]

I HATED HUNTERS

[nocturne owl]

since when do elites kamikaze into you if they have grenades?

[pulsar pivot]

Then if you kill a elite you can hear some go "leader dead run"

[empty dune]

I never knew how to kill em'

in halo 4 its easy

[pulsar pivot]

I think in ce

[empty dune]

cause the sentenals shoot them

and distractio 100

[normal shard]

On your point, about a Johnson prequel; If they just adapted Contact Harvest into a game, it'd be perfect. First introduction of the covenant and you're Johnson! 😄

[pulsar pivot]

Shoot em in the back and head

Boom problem solved

I rushed thwm

They stood no chancs

[nocturne owl]

I reckon if a prequel about Jacob Keyes were made, it'll either be a movie or a tv series.

[normal shard]

Maybe, but if you ever watch the "Fall of Reach" movie, you get a bit of young Keyes there.

Not much, but it's something.

[pulsar pivot]

Isnt jacks Keyes the guy in ce that turned to a proto gravemind

[empty dune]

yeah

sadly

yes

[pulsar pivot]

Poor guy

What a way too go

[normal shard]

That terminal solidified him even more, as a war-hero.

[pulsar pivot]

Man I think we can all agree halo stealth is not the best

It's fun

[normal shard]

Sure, but if I want to be stealthy, I don't play halo. lmao

[pulsar pivot]

I like doing the executions

[nocturne owl]

I suppose it was something to see keyes in fall of reach, but i think they should make a movie about his earlier life. So pre-officer, like a cadet or something.

[pulsar pivot]

You know what I want

A halo movie made by a actually really good movie studio that's funded well and has lots of effort put into it

[normal shard]

Flash, I wanted the same about Halsey too. It's clear she's done some other crooked things for ONI. A fun little thriller could be written about it, like Hunt the Truth.

[empty dune]

ONI is messed up

[normal shard]

Facts

[empty dune]

in lore ONI is scary

[pulsar pivot]

Noticed

Oni is crooked

[nocturne owl]

the way how keyes died was really gut-wrenching. A very hard superpunch to the face. Reminded me of the opening scene from the first terminator movie.

[pulsar pivot]

Very

[empty dune]

oh but he died for a cause

during his death gravemind didnt get any info

he was fighting while he was transformed

he did get info but nothing insanly important

[normal shard]

Yeah, he denied them a lot of information.

[empty dune]

he fought for many hours

[pulsar pivot]

Man when Johnson died I was sad

[empty dune]

and chief stopped his missery

Johnson died to a laser, if only chief went up there. He has shields

[nocturne owl]

i know. I wonder what he fed them. I bet part of the information Keyes could have given was what he ordered from the Halo equivalent of McDonald's or any fast food joint. On a tangent, it would be interesting if they made a Halo movie surrounding Del Rio, a.k.a, Captain Overcautious explaining why he is the way he is.

[normal shard]

Miranda needed a better death, to even -try- to live up to her father. In hindsight, she just looks so...underwhelming. She could be a fun character on rare occasion, but that's it.

[empty dune]

she wasnt to me though

she was bland

and died so easily

way to make ur fathers name look bad

I will never refer to her as Keys

[pulsar pivot]

Anyone else thought that in halo 3 master cheif had died and that in 4 they replaced him with another spartan

[normal shard]

She had some memorable lines and exchanges is what I mean. She was pretty bland, especially when you look at her by herself.

[pulsar pivot]

Yeah my 8 year old imagination right there

[nocturne owl]

nah. Spartans don't die. They go MIA.

[pulsar pivot]

Where do we go
"To war"

[pulsar pivot]

Completely right

[normal shard]

Yeah, they go MIA. Exactly how ONI wants it. lol

[pulsar pivot]

Oni is like a corrupt politician

[normal shard]

Much worse, sir. Much worse.

[pulsar pivot]

But

[nocturne owl]

I think Miranda Keyes is just like one of these junior officers who have some experience but not a lot.

[empty dune]

they tried to frame chief

[pulsar pivot]

They did somehow hel..
Scuse ms

[main hill]

I don’t think the Locust would be bad vehicle to see in a Halo game, maybe not in Multiplayer but definitely in campaign.

[normal shard]

Listen to Hunt the Truth if you haven't already. It's the best thing to come out of Halo 5 and perfectly shows ONI at their worst.

[nocturne owl]

for what? Stealing the last chip?

[main hill]

Lmao

[pulsar pivot]

What did they frame him for

[nocturne owl]

would johnson survive in a mjolnir armour? i.e. would he be able to utilise it?

[normal shard]

Just listen to Hunt the Truth. It's free on youtube. I don't want to spoil it Toasty.

[pulsar pivot]

Only spartan 2 can

[nocturne owl]

but wasn't Johnson augmented?

[pulsar pivot]

The armor has been tested on non augmented

Was he?

[normal shard]

Yes

[pulsar pivot]

Oh

[normal shard]

Original Orion project.

[pulsar pivot]

I think it still wouldnt work on hom though

[nocturne owl]

Johnson was Spartan 1.

[terse marten]

Spartan 4s can wear generation 2 mjolnir

[pulsar pivot]

I know

Locke is 4 and he is wearing 2 armor

[terse marten]

You said “only Spartan 2 can”

[normal shard]

No, if Johnson could wear it, they would've shoved him into a suit, since they threw everything they had at the last battle of earth.

[pulsar pivot]

Ok people make mistakes

[empty dune]

They can wear the armor but its not good for them and it doesnt benefit

it would prob kill them

eventually

[pulsar pivot]

I was meaning between 1 and 2

[pulsar pivot]

In fall of reach it legit kills them

[normal shard]

^

[empty dune]

yeah

[normal shard]

Like, kills them right away if they don't have the right augmentations.

It was so gorey.

[pulsar pivot]

Anyone not augmented full on like 2 they might as well be dead

[normal shard]

I'd rather be shot than get into that suit un-augmented.

[pulsar pivot]

Twisting bones tearing skin

Screaming

My god

Crushing organs

[normal shard]

They'll need a can-opener to get you out, and bury you. lol

[pulsar pivot]

Lol

[nocturne owl]

because I was under the impression that orion soldiers were subjected to muscular enhancement injections, pulmonary respiratory enhancement, etc. etc.

[pulsar pivot]

Well it went undergo improvements

And spartan 2 was that improvement

[nocturne owl]

The reason why they didn't give Spartan 1 any mjolnir armour was because, it was mainly a failure, with the augmentations. and therefore it wouldn't be cost effective to make a few more for spartan 1s.

[pulsar pivot]

Probably were but not as much as 2's

These augmentations

Cam kill you

Very much

[nocturne owl]

thats my theory on why spartan 1s didn't get armour.

[normal shard]

It's also the same reason why Halsey lost the funding for more spartan 2's; She couldn't find subjects quite like the first batch, to guarantee it wasn't a waste of time.

So then the Spartan 3 program happened with a different project-head.

[pulsar pivot]

Yeah no kidnap child

[nocturne owl]

whats the success rate for spartan 4s?

[empty dune]

pretty high

[normal shard]

Wayyy higher.

[pulsar pivot]

Much higher than w

2

[normal shard]

I think Buck described the difference best; "It's safer, but we're not like the gods of old- The Spartan 2's. We're like demigods but we live longer.."

[stable flower]

Wonder what SPARTAN-Vs will be?

[nocturne owl]

I mean spartan 4 success rates compared to 3's

[normal shard]

But 3's ended up on suicide runs more often than not.

[pulsar pivot]

Who would have won if master cheif and locke were trying to kill eachother

[normal shard]

Chief.

[nocturne owl]

Chief

[pulsar pivot]

Cheif

Yeah

No beating cheig

Cheif

[normal shard]

Spartan 2's are the best of the best, but then...it gets better; Chief also got evolved even further by the Librarian.

[nocturne owl]

I meant the augmentation rate of success between Spartan 3 and 4? Is it the same or is there a difference?

[pulsar pivot]

Probably the same

[empty dune]

chief has his end planned

[gilded mason]

Pretty sure they were both basically 100% success rates

[normal shard]

Well, actually...3's success rate is worse according to the wiki.

[nocturne owl]

how could we ever forget that?

which wiki are you referring to?

[pulsar pivot]

We dont

We know that 2 is better than the rest

[empty dune]

no

4s are enough to beat 2s

now

[normal shard]

My mistake.

[empty dune]

its close

[pulsar pivot]

They just dont make em like they used too

[normal shard]

I mixed it up.

[empty dune]

but 2s have more experience

in combat

[nocturne owl]

does that include 1?

[empty dune]

1s are dead

[pulsar pivot]

Yeah

[nocturne owl]

but i bet some are retired.

[normal shard]

Yeah, all the 1's are gone now, really.

Unless they retcon something again.

[empty dune]

They all died

[nocturne owl]

wait are we counting Kevin Morales as part of official halo canon or nah?

[empty dune]

everything is canon but the new movie

I forget

what it is

[normal shard]

Legends? I know several shorts in there, that aren't.

[empty dune]

I think

idk

[nocturne owl]

I recall that there was an alternate reality game that got developed. i'm not saying the name cause it sounds ridiculous

[gilded mason]

Legends is canon except for Odd One Out, though all the visuals in all the shorts are the animators' own ideas, so don't put any stock into them

[empty dune]

yeah

odd one out

[nocturne owl]

I'm not referring to the odd one out. I was referring to 42 entertainment

whatever that is

[normal shard]

It was a game called I Love Bees

Was to advertise halo 2

[nocturne owl]

yes that's the one

i was referring to'

Is i love bees official canon or no?

[normal shard]

Did you guys know there's a fighting game (forget which one) that managed to get a licensing deal, so they got a spartan in their game.

Idk if it's canon, but I found it funny.

Also, I doubt that's canon, since it was only there to promote a halo game, not add to it's universe.

[nocturne owl]

but i wonder if johnson could put up a good fight against Chief. Say hypothetically if a spartan 1 went up against a 2

[empty dune]

no

he woulnt

chief has the advantage with armor

[nocturne owl]

What about, with no armour?

[gilded mason]

John would still easily beat him

[nocturne owl]

even with hand to hand, no armour, no weapons?

[empty dune]

the augmentations are different

yeah

[gilded mason]

S1s' augments weren't all that powerful

[empty dune]

he had better augs

[nocturne owl]

can spartans swim with armour?

or like just survive, should a pelican that they're on crash land onto a body of deep water

[empty dune]

yes

its like an extension to their body

they can survive in space

so like

[tender cove]

i think no, because maybe of the armor's restrain?
because i think the spartan armor predict the owners movement or something, so some kind of action may be locked or dont have the feature, i dunno

[empty dune]

it is part of the body

pretty much

the armor reads everything

its like extra strong skin

[nocturne owl]

but armour is heavy

[empty dune]

no

its like skin

no weight

its as if nothing is there

it becomes there body

so much technology goes into it

as why it is the most tech filled thing in halo lore

[opal birch]

and? far heavier things float in water

[nocturne owl]

I wonder how in the Halo universe people are communicating with one another, assuming that phones are most likely out of use in that time period.

[nocturne owl]

I forgot about that. It's been a while since i was in high school so i may have forgotten some stuff learnt in science class

[empty dune]

Ear pieces?

maybe

idk

maybe the ONI takes all the important tech

idk

they prob use phone or computer

[opal birch]

or stuff that still look like phones just use more advanced methods of transmitting data

[empty dune]

just really advanced

yeah

[tender cove]

tac com bro

[nocturne owl]

At least, they're not using fax or morse code or carrier pigeons.

[empty dune]

noble 6 be like I dont have phone so ill send bird

[opal birch]

pretty sure civvies won't be using any tactical (insert phrase)

[tender cove]

woh?

[nocturne owl]

And i don't think social media is a thing in the time period halo is set in.

[tender cove]

maybe it has been deleted due to hoax

C:

[nocturne owl]

although some might say that SpaceTube could be invented.

[opal birch]

waypoint is their internet, they definitely have social media

[tender cove]

they maybe use Earthube by now haahhahaha

[opal birch]

imagine the memes of the 26th Century

[nocturne owl]

probably it'll be images of grunts getting kicked

[tender cove]

srgt. Johnson killed by a flying r2d2 -present
Srgt. Johnson killed by an AI -26th centuries

i get tons of supply cache in Halo odst :

:0

[empty dune]

Chief got fooled by the same robot twice

[gilded mason]

Hey, I don't blame him, he's cute

[tender cove]

true

btw, me looking at the Fanbase is very true just like in the rumors

[nocturne owl]

Is it safe to assume that alcohol can't affect spartans just because their augmented?

[tender cove]

uh no-yes, because alcohol can effect everyone, not because they are augmented

[nocturne owl]

but, augmented means higher metabolism

[tender cove]

Alcohols goes inside a person's body , and blablabla science system stuffff , the main thing is Alcohol can make a spartan go drunk and every person's alcoholic resistents is different, so they can get drunk, and alcohols make a human person's metabolisme and muscle strength go down

[tender cove]

but they still can drop

have you not use basic science to your question?

C:

or maybe i wrong :((

if im wrong, then srry

[unique rune]

Is it safe to assume that alcohol can't affect spartans just because their augmented?
Ehh.
At most I would think they have a higher tolerance for alcohol but I doubt they’re outright unaffected.

[tender cove]

they still can get effected but they need more longer time right?

and why is this topic just like what is my topic in my head several hours ago

[unique rune]

I don’t think there’s any official information on how Spartans metabolize alcohol differently from unaugmented humans, so... can’t really say anything for sure.

[tender cove]

true

oh yeah anyone every think what if every single spartan learns deadly martial arts or something, they could do a one hit kill to any covenant

[unique rune]

no

[tender cove]

:C

[stable flower]

I like the idea of something being formed to fight one threat and then bring repurposed to fight an even greater threat

[tender cove]

nice

[nocturne owl]

Is it just me or are energy swords in a way disposable? I mean everytime it's used it decreases in battery power? So would that mean a covenant elite will dispose of it after its power supply is depleted?

[gilded mason]

It's presumably decreased way less in actuality, with a handy way of recharging it as well

[normal shard]

Are needlers and carbines still technically shooting plasma?

I ask because it's sorta hard to tell.

[carmine sleet]

Needlers shoot a projectile made from Blamite from one of the moons of Sanghelios, the home of the Elites

Most Covenant Carbines use radioactive coated rounds but the one seen in Halo 5 uses rounds without the radioactive coating

There's also the Blood of Suban Carbine as well, which uses Blamite rounds, making it function similar to the Needle Rifle from Reach

[normal shard]

Thank you for clearing that up. Glad there's some variety there. 😄

[warm ridge]

Actually that same "evolvement" can be applied to any known Reclaimer. Chief isn't the only special one, although Chief is the only one who had his evolutionary traits accelerated by the Librarian.
We don't know what traits he gained specifically, only that he became immune to the Composer and possibly other things to.

[normal shard]

Right, I wasn't saying he was the best spartan or anything; I was saying that Spartan II + Librarian Evolution = Profit..? lol

[warm ridge]

The augmentation rates of S-IV's is pretty much 100% guarantee survival. The only ones that didn't survive were the super early S-IV's, which could technically be considered better S-II's but largely failed with the only survivor being Ilsa Zane who went insane from the augmentation process. The rest all died from the augmentations. If we're talking strengths, Ilsa Zane is the strongest Spartan to ever be created, capable of disarming a S-IV and even taking on multiple S-IV's at once while they're in full armor (one of those S-IV's being Palmer) with Ilsa Zane having no armor at all.

For the S-IV's we see now, they're pretty much slightly better S-III's with the armor making them match S-II's. The only thing the S-II's have over S-IV's is experience realistically.
S-III's didn't have a 100% survival rate until the final batch, but required training from a S-II (Kurt) to reach there full potential. In a way they could be just as good as S-II's at times, but were more talkactive, and had more of a "fight until you die" analogy because they largely wanted revenge against the Covenant.

[normal shard]

Then, objectively speaking, based on everything you've laid out here; Would you say Spartan II's would have an edge in a fight with a Spartan IV, or visa-versa...or is it truly a toss up?

If it was a fight to the death* because we were originally wondering who would win in a life or death fight between Locke and Chief.

[warm ridge]

S-II's have the edge due to experience and better training/fast communication skills that rely far more on body movements then actual talking like S-IV's do.

[normal shard]

Ahh, I see. Fair enough.

[warm ridge]

S-II's have also been quite a bit faster then S-IV's on average and more responsive based off the lore.

[normal shard]

Does their speed have to do with differing augmentations or is it unknown, what variable contributes to that?

[warm ridge]

The games really don't do most S-IV's justice tbh. Fireteam Osiris is a better example of what most S-IV's are like, the only out liner being that Locke was a trained ONI specialist.

[normal shard]

Well, true. I never did look into Locke's training...like, in-depth anyway.

[warm ridge]

Mostly augmentation related, due to the S-II's augmentations being more invasive and direct body modifications along with specific gene traits that Halsey chose herself.

The S-IV's largely don't have those same specialized genes, and on average require specific gene therapys and tons of temporary drugs before they're ready for combat at all. Surgery is also performed, replacing pretty much 90% of all there organs besides the brain itself.

You can read about S-IV augmentations here https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ORCHID
S-II augmentations here https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ASTER

[normal shard]

I think I understand. I've bookmarked the links, thanks for those.

The augmentations are kind of funny though. I read them out to a friend of mine, just getting into halo for the first time, and he busted out laughing because we both know these procedures would be painful and would kill you IRL.

[warm ridge]

The organs of S-II's didn't need replacing because they were already perfect due to key genes for example
While with S-IV's most if not all organs require replacing entirely, or modifications.

[normal shard]

Idk if someone has already pointed this out before, but the organ thing is unsettling to say the least. It'd be freaky to know most of my organs weren't my originally body parts. Even if it meant I was a superhuman afterward.

[warm ridge]

The difference is, beyond joints being modified/replaced, and the organs being modified/replaced, that's about all the surgery a S-IV goes through. The rest is just gene and hormone therapy's which according to Buck lasted an entire 3 weeks.

By comparison S-II's had direct surgery onto there eyes, the bones being modified directly with materials being grated right onto them either through full on surgeries at once, or multiple different surgeries across the body in a pattern (this is why S-II's have scares pretty much all across there arms, body, legs, etc).
A direct platinum pellet is placed directly onto the Thyroid gland which pushes against it to increase muscle, and skeletal growth.
They also had multiple injections all over there muscles to increase muscle strength and growth as well (in combination with the thyroid implant).
And alterations of there "bioeletrical nerve transduction", basically your nervous system was altered directly.

S-II modifications were more or less done over night, with the healing process taking weeks to months at a time.

[normal shard]

Yeah, so Spartan II's were gutted and rebuilt, practically. lol.

I remember reading a bit about what Buck said though.

[warm ridge]

S-III's were the least invasion of them all, but still had strict genetic requirements and could only be accepted in at a young age. There augmentations also started at a younger age vs the S-II's, with the S-III's being augmented on average at age 12, while the the S-II's on average were augmented at age 14. Due to where the S-III's largely came from (being orphans due to the Covenant war largely), this also meant they had the most behavior problems of them all.

The augmentations were more or less mostly injection based to, and I'd probably say only a 1-5% failure rate between each batch. Gamma company had illegal drugs injected into there systems to make them more aggressive during battle to. Some genetic modification also happened due to these injections.

S-IV's is more or less a huge combination of S-III's and S-II augmentations when you think about it, while being much safer and being applied to adults. The only difference is just experience and S-II's being slightly faster on average.

@normal shard more if you wanna read

I'd assume with the S-II's being slightly faster on average is probably what allowed Chief to dodge most of Locke's attacks and take the "armor lock" device type thing from him once he managed to piss chief off by breaking his visor in Halo 5 to.

[pulsar grail]

ey atleast we got an armor lock ability cameo in H5

[unique rune]

The organs of S-II's didn't need replacing because they were already perfect due to key genes for example
Well, no, that's really not why. Spartan-II genetics only really mattered because of the risks of the augmentation process. Spartan-IVs receive organ modifications and replacements to increase their endurance and survivability in the field.

[feral apex]

Good morning my Halo Friends! Any idea which are best books to begin studying Halo Lore? 😇

[rapid slate]

Did the UNSC issue and phase out multiple MA5 variants in a matter of months (between CE and 3) or are all MA5 variants issued at once and distributed among different branches and units? (like the M16/M4 and its variants today)

[unique rune]

Probably the latter.

The former would be... highly impractical.

[rapid slate]

When you're at war on such a grand scale it would make some sense to constantly be innovating your weaponry and trying to distribute it as fast as possible

[unique rune]

Right, but introducing and then phasing out so many variations in such short order would be a smidge ridiculous.

MA5Ds are seen in use as early as 2525 so I would imagine the MA5 variants largely coexisted at the same time.

[carmine sleet]

Within the space of a few months, it'd be highly unlikely they'd come up with two brand new versions of a rifle and deploy them widespread

[terse lava]

@feral apex always best to start with The Fall of Reach, followed by The Flood, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx. If you are interested in deeper lore, the Forerunner trilogy and Broken Circle are excellent choices, as are Silent Storm and Oblivion

[feral apex]

Thanks alot! I have alot of to catch up on which book talks about the grunt rebellion? Also any good youtube channels that explain the halo lore?

[terse lava]

@feral apex Broken Circle, a covenant-based novel, mentions the rebellion in the 2nd half. The first half however takes place in 852-850 BC

[feral apex]

For sure and also any reccomendations for top youtube channels that explain halo lore?

[terse lava]

Well personally prefer halopedia, but if you want YouTube, Covenant Canon is a great place for lore on the alien alliance

[feral apex]

Cool cool I will defenitely check it out. Halo is like Microsofts version of Star Wars. Infinite possibilitys

I cant wait to study it after work

[main hill]

I know the UNSC used the MA5B as an LMG after it was pretty much phased out of being the standard issue rifle by the MA5C

[carmine sleet]

Source on it somehow being used as an LMG despite the fact the weapon does not fit the description of an LMG?

[main hill]

oof nevermind

[warm ridge]

And S-II's already had those endurance and survivability options in the field because of specific genes they already had. So they didn't need extensive organ replacements.
You can even see this irl to, for example some Divers can hold there breath for much longer then other people regardless as to how much you train, just because biologically they have better lungs then you do. This is all gene related.

This is also kinda why certain Spartans were capable of being taller then others, and it's a on going thing with all Spartan programs, from the S-I's to the S-IV's. While the augmentations definitely play a role, the genes you already have also play a role.

[humble yacht]

the gene candidacy had less to do with strength and more with compatibility with the augmentation procedures

[unique rune]

I mean I seriously doubt basic genetics put the Spartan-II candidates that much further above “normal” humans compared to the augmentations that ORCHID’s organ replacement and modification was capable of.

[warm ridge]

Genes don't play a role in just strength, the compatibility with the augmentations is what allowed them to get as far as they did. Without them, it just doesn't work.

[unique rune]

I’m not going to deny that their genes did provide some physical advantages compared to most humans, but they were primarily a filter to make sure not all of them died during the augmentations.

[warm ridge]

Based off the lore it's probably why they're a bit more responsive, fast learners, and speak the way they do in general.
S-IV's require lengthy gene therapy processes just to make the compatible at all, but that's usually what advancements in technology does.

[humble yacht]

the only gene therapy mentioned for the SIVs is telomere lengthening

[warm ridge]

gene/hormone therapies.

[humble yacht]

hormone therapy is things like steroids

[warm ridge]

Organ implantation - "The Spartans also undergo treatments to prevent organ rejection"
Gene therapy - "Spartans undergo an extensive gene therapy, which involves the lengthening of the telomeres and increasing the effectiveness of chondrocytes"
Endcap augmentation - "The Spartan is subjected to hormone-regulation therapies and their bioprofile is archived."

"The SPARTAN-IV augmentation procedures, at least for the first and second classes of the program, take three weeks to perform, with the Spartans in and out of surgeries and advanced therapies during this time."
"The final steps of the augmentations are an assurance of hormonal regulation and the archiving of the subject's bioprofile"

All on https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ORCHID

[gilded mason]

Chim, not sure if you still need this considering somebody posted concept art, but yeah, Elites do have tongues.

[humble yacht]

Don’t need it anymore

[gilded mason]

Righteo

[humble yacht]

I already knew but wanted an elite aficionado to confirm. But you were late

[gilded mason]

Curse my need for sleep.

[normal shard]

I found sources contradicting each other; Does anyone know if Skirmishers are actually extinct or not?

[gilded mason]

They are not

[normal shard]

Ah, okay. Good, I'm glad they're not gone.

[gilded mason]

The source for them being extinct came from a gaming magazine before Reach came out that misinterpreted a joke as a fact

[normal shard]

Oh, oof. Thanks for clearing that up. It confused me.

[gilded mason]

👍

[paper coyote]

Ostro!

its been awhile gamers

its ja boy back again for more game theory

today's question. Covie Olympics?

[versed helm]

I wouldn't be surprised if the alien races hosted sport events.

[hoary cairn]

[cedar surge]

Make sense for elites too

[main hill]

this is stupid but imagine a Scarab with a drone nest on it, It would be like that picture of a snail that had a wasp nest on it

[cedar surge]

From one of the halo 2 Cutscenes arbiter was fighting another elite with staffs

And the other elite hot eaten by a squid when he lost

[steep ether]

when?

[silver basin]

When did the Arbiter attack another Elite in Halo 2?

[gilded mason]

During a H2A terminal, it shows him training with a staff against other Elite trainees.

[terse lava]

Oh, whoops, answered Chim in The wrong chat. Thought I was in here

[humble yacht]

It was in general

But you so late

[terse lava]

Indeed

Like I said, I just got off work😛 and since it was a Sangheili question, I make sure it is given an answer

[humble yacht]

I knew the answer, I pinged y’all as confirmation for what I already knew, for some one else’s edification

[terse lava]

Ah, well my work here is done I guess

[humble yacht]

Your services are no longer required

[terse lava]

That sounded oddly cold 🤣

[humble yacht]

It’s what Iron Monger said to Pepper Potts before trying to kill her

[gilded mason]

What a jerk.

[terse lava]

knew it sounded familiar

[frozen lagoon]

Is there an in universe reason as to why Installation 05 had a different appearance for its control room than Installation 04, while 04 seems to have the same layout as 07?

[gilded mason]

There are theories that the control room used was a secondary one, while the room the Gravemind is in was the main one

[frozen lagoon]

I've played that game how many times and never noticed gravemind was in a control room

[steep ether]

its a little hard to notice without mods, even if your looking for it

[terse lava]

Have heard that theory before, it is an entering idea and does make sense. Look at the ark for example. It had two control rooms

[odd orchid]

what happened to the domain after the firing of the rings

[kind knoll]

It would be pretty dumb for the galactic superpower that is the forerunner empire not to have a backup plan for if the flood take control of a control room

[humble yacht]

It got fried and needed to be reset to begin repairs

[odd orchid]

ok thanks

[terse lava]

I still always find it funny post Forerunner trilogy. The Forerunners knew of the flood before their war with the flood began, but still treated them as overall trivial. Meanwhile the Covenant, or at least the Sangheili, knew to just burn the plague and didn't fool around

[tender cove]

your right

and why does the forerunner kept the flood in capsules in the halo rings, thats dumb

[gilded mason]

To continue searching for a cure

[tender cove]

oh

but its a parasite

does parasite have cures?
maybe if i wrong

[gilded mason]

There are treatments to kill parasites in your body, yes

Ad I assume the Forerunners wanted to create something that would be able to reverse the mutations that the Flood did

And prevent the Flood from mutating you in the first place

[terse lava]

Best they could ever do was slow thr infection down for a victim, as shown in Primordium

Really the forerunner idea of the mantle hamstrung them in taking care of the flood in totality like the Sangheili and ancient humans did.

[versed helm]

Are humans canon in halo

[tender cove]

yes

[gilded mason]

Nope.

[tender cove]

hoomans wha-

[gilded mason]

Humans aren't real.

[versed helm]

Which one do I trust?

[gilded mason]

I am the most trustworthy person on Discord.

[versed helm]

Ok

Humans aren’t canon

I guess I’m just a hollow moving armor set

[gilded mason]

Correct

[tender cove]

woh but ODST are hooman, you are a hooman

REeee

[versed helm]

No ODST stands for
Obviously
D isn’t
S real

T duh

[steep ether]

lol

[stable flower]

No it stands for
O Jamie Foxx
D has
S a
T weave

[tender cove]

yOur a Dead Sheep but its a Troll

Ah i dont know how to do it

lol

[versed helm]

Whatever happened to Nairobi during the Battle of Earth

[main hill]

You think spec ops drones are a thing?

[rapid slate]

The MA5B's 60 round mag isn't "canon" per se

[versed helm]

So how would ONI explain the Portal at Voi if people start asking questions about the giant alien artifact that is north of Mombasa?

[pulsar pivot]

We just dont

[gilded mason]

Swamp gas reflecting off of Venus

[versed helm]

I would imagine that they would quarantine the areas of Mombasa that are closest to the Portal at Voi

So after this Created fiasco is over, I can imagine that there is going to be a lot of anti-A.I sentiment and numerous laws would be passed that would restrict the capabilities of A.I

Thoughts?

[gilded mason]

Most likely

[versed helm]

And frankly, I would be on board with that anti-A.I sentiment because I do NOT trust A.I

[pulsar pivot]

Dont ever trust en

[desert spade]

No it’s Other Dudes Severely Terminated

[nocturne owl]

Would Noble six actually stand a chance against Master Chief?

[gilded mason]

Yes.

[desert spade]

Of course

He’s the only other hyper lethal vector out there

[gilded mason]

You do this to hurt me

[desert spade]

Wdym

[nocturne owl]

hyper lethal what?

[desert spade]

Vector

[gilded mason]

Hyper-lethal applies to all spartans now, and was only ever started as a marketing term to make gamers feel good about playing as Noble Six.

[nocturne owl]

why?

[desert spade]

Ah well I didn’t know that

[gilded mason]

And really just sounds edgy.

[desert spade]

Fair

[terse lava]

Only one thing hyper lethal in halo. The Halos

[main hill]

No one answered if spec ops drone could be a thing

[terse lava]

I doubt it, they were more often used as engineers and technicians alongside the huragok.

[main hill]

Idk if grunts can be spec ops I really don’t see why Drone’s can’t be

[terse lava]

Because they proved themselves to the Sangheili during their rebellion. They proved they could be trained to be better fighters.

[normal shard]

They did also fill infiltration roles as well, so maybe they were used in some capacity. Main roles though, were still as techs and as ambush squads, like Ado said.

[barren ferry]

Perhaps, but he's a SPARTAN-III. SPARTAN-II's are far superior.

[unique rune]

They really aren't

The augmentations used for the SPARTAN-III program were just as effective as those of the SPARTAN-II program, except less expensive and significantly safer. Training program for the -IIIs was also improved from that of the -IIs.

The only major "deficiency" of the -IIIs compared to the -IIs was that SPI was cheaper and offered less protection and weaker strength enhancement, but it did its job as infiltration gear pretty well. So even then it wasn't necessarily worse than MJOLNIR, it just served a different purpose.

Not that armor would be relevant in this instance because B312 was one of the few Spartan-IIIs to be issued MJOLNIR.

[kindred crane]

Anyone know where zeta halos monitor is?

[carmine sleet]

On Zeta Halo

[kindred crane]

OK? I guess, like after the outbreak wasn't he also infected by logic plague?

[carmine sleet]

Zeta Halo's monitor hasn't been logic plagued as far as we know

While there was an outbreak on Zeta Halo, it was cleaned up long ago before thing was fired alongside the rest of the array

And the monitors weren't assigned their rings until right before the rings were fired

[versed helm]

Isn't it assumed that a fragment of Mendicant Bias occupies Zeta Halo?

[terse lava]

It did at one point but not anymore

[feral apex]

Good morning Everyone! I Hope you all Have a Great Halo Day!

[carmine sleet]

That's not the monitor of Zeta

[versed helm]

I never stated that.

You merely reminded me of a popular theory for Halo Infinite.

[humble yacht]

MB wasn’t always fragmented. There was only 2 times when he was split apart, but both times he eventually all came back together

Zeta Halo was the location of his core housing unit, but he had a mobile housing unit too

[terse marten]

I don’t think he ever implied that lol

[versed helm]

MB seems to be a very intriguing character.

[humble yacht]

More like seemed

[versed helm]

I was under the assumption that his current status is unknown.

[humble yacht]

Retconned to unknown

He should have stayed officially dead but I guess 343 likes brining back characters

[versed helm]

I don't oppose the decision, but I respect your belief.

[terse lava]

To be fair, halo 3 was somewhat vague on his fate. Only he thought he would perish

[humble yacht]

He’d know best

[terse lava]

Perhaps

[main hill]

if Johnson was immune to the flood its very possible that others could be too right

[steep ether]

they are

... if they werent ded

[craggy sierra]

Johnson wasn't immune

[carmine sleet]

Wish people knew that he wasn't and that all it was is he was lucky to escape

[craggy sierra]

Any form of flood immunity outside of literally turning into a promethean has long been retconned out of existence

Wasn't the exact retcon that that was a given cover up reason to hide his orion augs from record when he made a quick recovery or something?

[carmine sleet]

You mean Boren's Syndrome? That's been a thing since First Strike when Johnson was revealed to have survived

[versed helm]

Chances are you've heard of Gray Team, the team that commited a next level war crime by killing 1 billion Sanghelli AFTER the war ended.

How and Why did they do something like that, you're asking?

[misty hearth]

They didn’t know the war ended

[gilded mason]

I think we're all aware of the context here, yeah.

[fresh hamlet]

dang 1 billion

[versed helm]

Well "how" is becuase they Snuck a Novabomb (the most powerful non-forerunner, non-ancient human or non-precursor weapon) on a populated Sanghelli world.

[versed helm]

For why, this and that they were ordered before they war ended.

[stable flower]

I thought Sapien Sunrise was bad

[fresh hamlet]

i don't blame half the sangheili for turning back to the covenant

[gilded mason]

NOVA bombs still don't make any sense at all. Especially for a human weapon of all things.

[fresh hamlet]

1 billion probably should've just started another war outright

[versed helm]

A fleetmaster saw his homeworld destroyed like that. And don't ask me how Grey Team lived or how they were forgiven.

[gilded mason]

Rojka was able to eventually find forgiveness in his heart and be the better man

[versed helm]

Well they worked for ONI, and that messed up company (ignores the rifle now pointed at my skull) would've wanted the Elites dead no matter what so a threat that was never going to happen anyways would not be able to happen.

[misty hearth]

I think most people understand that ONI at the very least, is one shady organization

[versed helm]

Not just shadowy, what would happen is EVERYTHING classified about them was leaked on the internet?

1 word: Anarchy

[stable flower]

Yeah humans be prejudiced like that

[misty hearth]

I mean you can say that about any organization that keeps secrets from the public, they do it for a reason

[gilded mason]

The UEG might be able to salvage thing by declaring ONI a rogue agency that did everything without their knowledge.

(Which is partly true)

[versed helm]

Remove the word party from the message and it's true.

Are there any consequences to travelling through Slipspace?

[humble yacht]

Radiation poisoning if you aren’t properly shielded

[terse lava]

Don't forget just poofing out of existence if your drive isn't in good shape

[carmine sleet]

ONI isn't a company. They're an intelligence organisation that's part of the UNSC

[versed helm]

A ship can simply vanish when its Slipspace drive malfunctions?

[gilded mason]

Yup. Forever lost in slipspace

[versed helm]

Sounds like a relatively painless demise.

[terse lava]

Maybe, maybe not, it is a universe after all where god-like beings seek to bring ruin to all of existence

[versed helm]

I doubt that a plane of existence is sentient.

[trail dune]

I wonder if a ship being lost in slip space will make it into a mission one day

[pulsar grail]

how will it end

[terse lava]

@versed helm I was thinking more the Precursors being able to control it

[versed helm]

You speak of a species that no longer exists.

[pulsar pivot]

There physical form

Doesnt exist

[unique rune]

For all we know there may also be extragalactic Precursors, so...

[ocean ibex]

Nope, don’t believe anyone that says the precursors are still alive, the precursors are 100% gone

[trail dune]

I wonder if there will be a new enemy race, like never heard of in lore, brand new

Like the Precursors would be cool if they somehow came back, I guess they will be like the Halo equivalent of The Darkness

[terse lava]

The precursors are still around, no one said their entire race was in the milky way

[unique rune]

Like the Precursors would be cool if they somehow came back
Only if you want to seriously handicap their capabilities.

Bringing the closest species that Halo has to straight up gods into the games would be a bad move.

And just bringing them back in general, really.

[versed helm]

I can picture a situation where a lone survivor encounters one. It would be similar to the interactions between the Sea Emperor and the player in Subnautica.

[trail dune]

So the Precursors aren’t really the Darkness of Halo, like mysterious then one day they arrive

[humble yacht]

Starvation and dehydration are painless? What about if life supper fails?

[craggy sierra]

I think you overestimate this considering all the CIA documents and stuff that have been made public over the years.

[versed helm]

Well this is ONI we're talking about. CIA is still nothing compared to ONI.

[craggy sierra]

Most of humanity probably would not care about that planet coming off of 27 years of getting curb stomped

[versed helm]

I was assuming that the ship would explode.

[stable flower]

into people eating each other to survive

[terse lava]

At that point just nuke the ship

[main hill]

It really does considering for it not to exist you'd have to somehow believe that their wouldn't be any advancement in nuclear weapons or weapons of mass destruction in 500 years.

[gilded mason]

The bomb would need to deploy 225 million Yotta Joules to destroy a planet like a NOVA bomb does. For a nuke to have that power, it will have to weigh 9 quadrillion tonnes. The Mantle's Approach (about the size of high Charity), weighs half of that, at 4.7 quadrillion tonnes.

The meteor that killed the dinosaurs exerted only 1.3 to 58 yottajoules

[terse lava]

Forget the metor, the mars-sized proto planet that hit earth still failed to truly blow apart the planet

[main hill]

I don't see why technology to put out that much damage wouldn't be smaller by that point in time, think about the fact that your phone now has more computing power than NASA had when trying to get a spaceship to land and by the same logic hyperdrive or any faster than light travel system wouldn't make sense either.

[gilded mason]

It's physics.

You can't really change it

[main hill]

Again Hyperspace and faster than light travel is already breaking physics

I don't see why a nuke can't

[ocean ibex]

Was Glyke completely destroyed? I thought it only cracked the planet’s surface?

[terse lava]

Blown to pieces

[gilded mason]

Completely destroyed with only drifting space debris left

[terse lava]

Speakinf of, got a quote Ostral?

[gilded mason]

Hm?

For Glyke? Somewhere, but I don't feel like fishing it out, and Halopedia corroborates my story.

[terse lava]

Of the NOVA wiping out the planet

Ok, was just curious how detailed it goes

[gilded mason]

Anyway, it was explained as "nine fusion warheads encased in lithium triteride armor" that when detonated, boosts the "thermonuclear yield a hundredfold"

That explanation is pretty bad for something like this

[terse lava]

If I recall, it also threw out enough radiation to pierce through the planet's crust, and down into the core

[ocean ibex]

Now you’re getting into 40k levels of absurd

[gilded mason]

Ya see one reason why I dislike it

[terse lava]

Agreed, I can see the Covenant having a weapon like that, but not humans

[humble yacht]

Not really. Physicists have often theorized the existence of multiple dimensions and the folding of space time as a means to travel faster than light (since a body with mass can never travel at c, only approach c)

While we don’t have the technology to really prove those things, the theories are there, so it doesn’t really break physics to have things like slipspace as a means of FTL

It’s not like ignoring conservation of mass or lowering the total entropy of a closed environment

[terse lava]

Funny how weird those theories can go

[normal shard]

So why did Regret's carrier make a huge explosion in New Mombasa, when it made a slipspace jump? I've always wondered why that happened.

[gilded mason]

Atmosphere makes things more explody

[normal shard]

Huh. Was that explosion lethal or was it like an emp of some kind?

[gilded mason]

More of an EMP, or something

[normal shard]

Gotcha.

[terse lava]

EMP yeah

[gilded mason]

Since ODST kinda starts right after they all get hit by it

[terse lava]

Originally it was implied to be lethal

[normal shard]

See, I was never sure if the ODST's got hit by it or if they just got knocked away by the force of the outskirts of it. In other words, I couldn't be sure of its non-lethality.

[terse lava]

Well it did kill those ODSTs that moved ahead of thr main squad. Older mp maps and a marine comment implied it wiped out humans and covenant along with the city.

[normal shard]

Oh huh. Thanks for that, I didn't know that.

[gilded mason]

Older mp maps and a marine comment implied it wiped out humans and covenant along with the city.
@terse lava
Oh?

[terse lava]

@gilded mason mhm, the marine comment from bungie.net: After the Covenant Carrier jumped there were some areas of Mombasa where plasma pistols covered the ground like leaves—that maneuver killed a bunch of dudes on both sides." Looks like I mis remembered the mp map though, as High Ground just calls it the "slipspace event"

[gilded mason]

Ah

[humble yacht]

The jump created a concussive wave that caused damage around it. It wasn’t nuke-levels of concussion but it was enough to weaken the space elevator

[normal shard]

Ah, I see. I forgot about that elevator. lol.

[torpid lily]

when did the didact first appear in halo

[humble yacht]

Depends

The first reference to a Didact was in Halo 3’s terminals

Then the forerunner trilogy established there were two didacts: Ur and Iso. Ur was the original, iso a clone of sorts

Halo 4 was the first true appearance of Didact in the games

[normal shard]

If there was two, which Didact was the one in halo 4?

[gilded mason]

Ur

[normal shard]

Oh okay, ty.

So does that mean Iso is dead/gone?

[gilded mason]

After the Halos fired 100,000 years ago, he and the rest of the surviving Forerunners went to go reset the Domain. After that, he and Chant-to-Green traveled to a far away and isolated world in another galaxy to raise their son without much technology

So he's probably dead by now

[normal shard]

Oh I see. Was it the Andromeda Galaxy? I've always wondered what's there in the Halo universe.

[ocean ibex]

Path kethona

[normal shard]

Ah, well dang.

So I was reading about ANVIL and all of its lore because the current MCC season made me curious; Does it imply that the multiplayer is like, wargames on that station or is there no real canon for multiplayer? I couldn't seem to find the answer for what multiplayer is, if anything.

[gilded mason]

MCC might be canonically in wargames, yes. H4 is, at the very least. And the others might also be, retroactively.

But anyway, the rest don't have to be on Anvil

Since it's canon that Infinity has a bunch of Sangheili onboard

[normal shard]

I see. So one could be, at least though but not all?

[gilded mason]

"Maybe."

[normal shard]

Gotcha.

Thanks for clarifying. Sorry if I ask stupid questions.

[gilded mason]

Nah, it's fine. I'm happy to help.

[normal shard]

It's very much appreciated. So far I've learned a lot from you folks; Especially you, Ostral.

[gilded mason]

☺️

[normal shard]

lol

[stable flower]

I wonder how long it'll take to reach Andromeda in the Haloverse

[ocean ibex]

The forerunners could at a reasonable time frame

While it’s unknown how fast their slipspace was, it’s generally assumed to be around 11k light years a day

[craggy sierra]

I don’t know if slipspace is one of those things that varies much in speed.

[humble yacht]

The speed you travel through slipspace is dependent on the speed of your ship and the quality of your slipspace drive

Also apparently certain routes can be made faster by “powering up” the portals that lead to them

Which is dumb but tragic solitude did it so w/e

[normal shard]

Oh, do you mean like the Ark portal on earth?

[terse lava]

Well the forerunners had numerous portals throughout their ecumene for quicker travel.

Their capital itself alone had a fair amount around it large enough to transport the older 30k dm sized halos through

[ocean ibex]

Isn’t maethrillian like 60k miles long in diameter?

[terse lava]

Bigger, around 100k

Almost the same size as Jupiter

[normal shard]

So I'm a bit confused about something. In Halo 2, when Regret's fleet arrives, we see Longswords, frigates etc receive the order from Lord Hood to form a defensive perimeter around the cluster of Mac-Platforms. So why are boarding craft able to even get through, and attack the platforms? The entire home fleet versus some fighters maybe and boarding craft doesn't seem like the boarding crafts would make it through.

[fresh hamlet]

I mean it was regret’s fleet so not like it was a small number of them. Also covenant ships are canonically more technologically advanced.

[normal shard]

But my point is that the fleet wasn't even used until the platforms were out of the way. So how did an entire human fleet fail at dealing with fighters and boarding craft only? lol

[carmine sleet]

Because large ships struggle to deal with smaller craft like fighters and boarding craft

[normal shard]

I didn't know they did. I figured, with that many frigates firing Archer missiles, it wouldn't have been that difficult (plus Longswords)

[fresh hamlet]

Well they wouldn’t make them if that wasn’t the case. If big ships are always better than several small ships then just make big ships instead

[ashen abyss]

Guys which comics or stories should start with If I am new to Halo in Books?

[gilded mason]

Probably release order

[ashen abyss]

Ok thanks

[warm ridge]

From just looking at the battle itself, the Covenant had plenty of ships storming in and the Orbital defense platforms were constantly firing. The Frigates were also all in constant battle, we even see a Halcyon cruiser blow up.

The reason why they were able to break through in some areas is because they're small craft, thousands of them at that. The rest of the defense is up to the ODP's and others.

[warm ridge]

and @normal shard
All Halo MP's are canonically considered part of War Games. I don't really know the status behind Anvil Station, but every single Halo MP is part of the War Games simulation. They even have map ID's and more for each one.

[carmine sleet]

Anvil is canon as of the last MCC update

[warm ridge]

@terse lava @gilded mason @main hill We don't know how big the planet Glyke was though, for all we know it was probably smaller then Earth or even Mars. We do know the bomb was detonated directly on the surface of the planet though.
By comparison, a NOVA bomb was detonated right next to Joyous Exultation. Which, while it scored a quarter of the planets surface, heated the atmosphere quite extensively, and effectively shattered the planets moon and much of the fleet, it didn't crack the planet itself. It just turned it into an extreme planet that you wouldn't want to live on anymore.

[terse lava]

@warm ridge We also have no reason to believe it was smaller then Earth or Mars

[ocean ibex]

How rare are nova bombs though?

I remember hearing someone say it was as rare as finding an atom bomb in 1945

[terse lava]

Figure pretty rare, as I am willing to bet they were developed after the war began to fight the Covenant.

[fair hazel]

I should try and get point of light ASAP

[terse lava]

Looking forward to it

[fair hazel]

I’ll try on Tuesday

I think.

[terse lava]

Tuesday? But it doesn't come out till March

[gilded mason]

Some sellers are already selling it

[terse lava]

They are??

Huh ok

[trail dune]

Nova bomb? Isn’t that Destiny?

[terse lava]

Its a name of a weapon there yes

But its not unique to halo either

[humble yacht]

Very little in sci fi is really unique these days. Names get reused all the time

[shut dew]

All the good sci-fi ideas are taken, long live science fiction

[carmine sleet]

Just look at all the franchises with a place called Arcadia or Meridian

[ocean ibex]

Or just Cadia

[torpid lily]

Why did the forerunners allow humans to activate their artifacts

[gilded mason]

The Librarian wanted humans to take over "guiding" the galaxy, so she made sure Reclaimers could activate the Forerunners' advanced tech easily.

[torpid lily]

Ok

Thanks

[gilded mason]

👍

[stable flower]

I'm surprised Halo doesn't have a colony named Citadel

[cedar surge]

https://www.halopedia.org/Citadel_(Shield_World_006)

As close as I could find

[jolly furnace]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/lns9f5/halo_4_cut_dialogue_video_compilation/

[main hill]

Is there a difference between the Officer and Major rank

for elites of course

[gilded mason]

Don't believe so

[normal shard]

I decided to look it up and all I found out for sure, is that Officer is a sub-rank of Major and has a few more specific tasks, and not all of them are combat oriented apparently.

[nocturne owl]

why do grunts need methane tanks for?

[humble yacht]

To breathe

[gilded mason]

They breathe methane

[nocturne owl]

what? They breathe methane? Doesn't explain why sometimes when i shoot one, they go flying like balloons and other times they don't.

[slim thorn]

Gameplay is different

[gilded mason]

They breathe methane?
They always have, since CE.

[unique rune]

I mean if a bullet punctures a tank of what is presumably compressed methane...

[normal shard]

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. If you hit their methane tank, it propels their corpse until it explodes because....methane.

[slim thorn]

The explosion can be epic, though.

Or destroying the Grunt from inside out.

[normal shard]

So basically don't light a cigarette around the grunts. lol

[slim thorn]

It makes me curious as if there was an AP rounds goes inside it, it should explode without severing it.

[nocturne owl]

I wonder who formed the majority of the covenant?

i.e. the one with high membership numbers

[cedar surge]

thee elites did at first

then it was either grunts or jackles

[gilded mason]

San'Shyuum and Sangheili were the first

[cedar surge]

the majority

[gilded mason]

Then Hunters

Oh whoops, just saw that it was "population numbers"

[cedar surge]

well if we count worms then wouldn't they make up most of the covenant

[gilded mason]

Uh, probably grunts or Yanme'e

[unique rune]

I would imagine the Unggoy made up the biggest chunk of the Covenant's population, then probably followed by Sangheili.

Though I dunno how we're counting Lekgolo.

[nocturne owl]

Just wondering why grunts let themselves be abused by other species in the covenant.

[gilded mason]

They lashed out once

[cedar surge]

actually 19 times

[gilded mason]

It got their homeworld partially glassed, but did make Elites respect them more

[gilded mason]

Oh yeah

[cedar surge]

the grunts could probably overthrow the covenant if they did it in a coordinated effort

they outnumber everyone else

[terse lava]

It is the reason the rebellion was cut down so harshly

Before they rebelled, they were weaponless meatshields. Only after were they even firearms

[nocturne owl]

Is it just me or do the Jackals exhibit cowardly traits?

[cedar surge]

well

[gilded mason]

Generally, people enjoy not dying.

[cedar surge]

if you saw a 7 foot tall armored soldier demolishing your best soldiers and commanders

would you want to stick around?

[nocturne owl]

Tell that to the elites who don't care about getting shot

[terse lava]

Yeah the Kig-Yar have never been known as brave. They prefer profit and plunder over combat

[cedar surge]

jackals do not have that bulk

do you see how skinny they are compared to a elite

[terse lava]

Well the Sangheili also have a warrior culture

[gilded mason]

Idiotic ones don’t, others try to actually avoid getting hit

[cedar surge]

i don't think the ones getting hit with a gravity hammer will care for long

[nocturne owl]

I see.

Speaking of which, how do hunters look like without armour. Are they just worms that build each other up as a big organism?

[terse lava]

Yep

https://www.halopedia.org/Mgalekgolo

There's an image of them without armor facing off against the Arbiter of the time

[cedar surge]

https://www.halopedia.org/Mgalekgolo#/media/File:H2A_Terminals_-_First_Hunters.jpg

for how they look without armor

also this important image

https://www.halopedia.org/Mgalekgolo#/media/File:HBL-Bestthingever.png

[unique rune]

rest in pepperoni Black Team

[humble yacht]

Why are they called Black Team?

Cause Didact put out their lights

[unique rune]

boooo

[stable flower]

I wonder if the Banished or the SOF crew came across the Anodyne Spirit

[gilded mason]

The former did, yes.

[cedar surge]

oh wait never notice hunters actually have hands

[pulsar pivot]

Correction: you don't see them

[wispy vapor]

If hunters are just worms that can connect and shape...

Does that mean you can have an eifel tower of lekgolo worms?

[craggy sierra]

Scarabs are operated by them,

[wispy vapor]

As are locust's

I mean, is there anything that doesn't stop the lekgolo from becoming the eiffel tower?

This may sound stupid but it kinda leads onto "can the lekgolo be used as living structures like temporary outposts and etc"

[unique rune]

An Eiffel tower replica made of squishy worms probably doesn’t provide have much strategic value for the Covenant

[wispy vapor]

Like you want a reusable outpost behind enemy lines that leaves no trace, why not have it formed of lekgolo

[craggy sierra]

I mean...they’re worms...with all the normal biological functions associated with being worms.

So your outpost is going to be crapping on you and eating your metal.

[wispy vapor]

🤔

[unique rune]

Imagine if you had to sleep inside of a Lekgolo eel structure

ughhh

[wispy vapor]

Actually...

How does waste removal work with scarabs

You brought up crapping

[main hill]

Aren’t Locusts unique to the scarab class as they are the only one that doesn’t actually use Lek’golo worms

[wispy vapor]

IIRC there were 3 lekgolo vehicles

Scarabs, locusts and one other

Harvesters, thats it

[real shadow]

I've been listening to alot of the halo books but I might have missed a detail. Do all spartan 3s need smoothers or was that only gamma company?

[gilded mason]

Only Gamma

[real shadow]

Cool thank you

[wispy vapor]

I learn all my halo lore from today's sponsor: Audible

[real shadow]

I was thinking it would be real weird if noble 6 just broke into a psychotic breakdown in the middle of the campaign

[main hill]

“Tier-one: Type-30 Locusts are designated as tier-one Excavators,[1] designed primarily as offensive tools with no apparent Lekgolo operators.[3] “ Halopedia quote

[wispy vapor]

Huh

Neat

[pulsar pivot]

Interesting I dont know what locusts are but ima go look they up

O h

Those things

[timid skiff]

Hey guys, hope you do fine. What are the best halo sources of information beside Halopedia?

[versed helm]

You could always read through the books.

[carmine sleet]

The best source outside of Halopedia is the novels, games and comics when it comes to the best info

[humble yacht]

Halopedia is a secondary source, primary sources are the gold standard

[versed helm]

Did humanity ever attempt to control the Prometheans?

[cedar surge]

Well cortana got control of them while fighting juls covenant

[carmine sleet]

Humanity, more specifically the UNSC, has not attempted to gain control over the Prometheans. Honestly, I hope they don't gain control of them

[humble yacht]

Doubt they even could

[normal shard]

I notice in Halo 3: ODST, the ODST's helmets are different shapes; Did they make a lot of different helmet designs?

[timid skiff]

this is smth I also am interested to know

the ODST units were always too great and too varied

[fair hazel]

There’s a lot of variations

[last anchor]

When it comes to the UNSC, any piece of gear you see probably has at least five variations.
Its like that comment about the M9 Frag; theres six or more physical variations, but they're all still called the M9. No designation between them, and they're all produced by different companies apparently.

[versed helm]

How did the Elites view the ODSTs during the Covenant War? Did these units earn their respect?

[terse lava]

A few times I believe yes. Nizat seemed annoyed by their resilience to his mind warpers and one of Thel's fellow zealots respected one left behind

[stable flower]

They were called imps as heard in ODST.

[versed helm]

That was a title applied by the Brutes.

[barren ferry]

How many Marines would you need to kill a brute in hand to hand?

[craggy sierra]

That entirely depends on context

[barren ferry]

Nah it's an open arena fight

[craggy sierra]

Cause like one marine with a lucky stab to the jugular could do it

[barren ferry]

No weapons mate

If they don't have weapons, the Brute can likely take on 50 unaugmented humans easily.

[main hill]

I’m assuming if it’s a Minor brute probably just a squad, assuming a squad of marines is like a military squad in real life of 9 troops

Oh you mean in hand to hand

[barren ferry]

Yes, pure hand to hand

Absolutely no weapons but armor is allowed

[main hill]

I think saying 50 is a bit much, I’d say much less than that, again assuming it’s a minor brute, eventually a brute will just get overwhelmed

[barren ferry]

Bruh

A brute is like, way stronger than even a SPARTAN

[main hill]

I mean, consider the fact that it took 3 regular ODSTs just to pin down a chieftain.

[barren ferry]

He could kill any marine in one punch, I don't think 50 is gonna be that hard considering Brutes are ungodly fast.

The chieftain got up right after, did he not? It was just a tackle to the legs

[main hill]

Given, they had a knife but still, three managed to tackle him to the ground

I’m referring to the cutscene in Halo 3 ODST

[barren ferry]

I know.

[terse lava]

Here's a fun little thing

In "Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss" this scenario comes up almost exact

ONI tranq and capture a group of Jiralhanae, tie them down with titanium restraints, give them guards, etc.

Once the hairy guys finally regain their full strength, they easily tear out of the restraints and rampage through the ship, no weapons needed

[barren ferry]

Yeah, that's what I figured lol. the brute in that cutscene was stabbed in the neck while being sadistic with Romeo anyway.

[main hill]

Well that was a whole group of Brutes.

[terse lava]

Yes, a group of unarmed Jiralhanae, facing squads of armed marines

[barren ferry]

That's pretty much the only reason why the ODSTs managed to kill him anyway. If they had no weapons they would be screwed.

There's also many other inconsistencies like in Halo Legends

[main hill]

3 regular ODSTs still managed to get a brute off balance, what I’m saying here is that in unarmed combat with one brute versus unarmed humans and 3 ODSTs managed to almost bring down a chieftain by themselves, than it really shouldn’t take more than like 15-20

[barren ferry]

I'd just say that's an inconsistency.

Like in Halo Legends.

A SPARTAN-II manages to catch a Chieftain's hammer swing with one arm.

Cal-141 to be exact.

[terse lava]

There was also the fact that chieftain was caught off guard, focusing more on Romeo

[barren ferry]

Which she shouldn't be able to

That too. Had the brute been aware of his surroundings, he would have decimated those ODSTs.

[main hill]

That’s fair, tho I still think if three ODSTs with their full weights could make a Chieftain fall to the ground it wouldn’t be hard for 10 marines to do the same

Listen if it was a different scenario where it was a group of Brutes that could watch each others backs and stuff then I’d definitely say they could take easily over 100, but this is one brute with no help whatsoever.

[barren ferry]

Without inconsistencies, I'd bet it would.

Unless we're saying 10 marines could make a SPARTAN fall to the ground, and we all know that's ridiculous.

A SPARTAN would just rip them a new one regardless.

[terse lava]

@main hill the chieftain had a combat knife being stabbed multiple times into his neck. Despite having that happened, he was able to still take them on

[main hill]

He didn’t really take them on, he more or less got stabbed once then tackled.

[barren ferry]

And again, being caught off guard. A knife being stabbed into your neck constantly can drain you a lot physically.

[terse lava]

These are the same aliens, who we saw in GoO, take a bullet to the head, and be perfectly fine until it noticed the blood dribbling down its head and registered the hit

[main hill]

Again knife or not with their full weight they still managed to push a brute to ground

[barren ferry]

Yes, because of an inconsistency.

[gilded mason]

Ah, so Brutes operate under looney-toons rules

[main hill]

To be fair he isn’t wrong, Brutes are recorded to take multiple headshots at times

I still think with one regular Brute, they would get overwhelmed pretty quickly

[terse lava]

@gilded mason don't forget the other one who also was shot in the mouth multiple times, and still kept going

[main hill]

I’m not down playing Brutes by any means, they could definitely kill a bunch, but I still think a large group of marines in hand to hand combat could push over and pin a Brute long enough to land blows and kill the Brute.

[terse lava]

Problem there

They are unarmed here, kill him with what?

[main hill]

Strangulation

[terse lava]

....strangle a Jiralhanae

[main hill]

A rock to pick up from the floor, enough punch’s, idk

[barren ferry]

No weapons

[main hill]

Push the brute off a high ledge

[barren ferry]

And not to mention

Johnson, a SPARTAN-I does punch a brute in the face.

[main hill]

Gouge out the eyes

[barren ferry]

All it does is annoy the brute, not actually hurt him.

[terse lava]

He punched the chest

Couldn't reach the face

Again, he said this is a flat area, unarmed. No marine is winning this unless they outnumber the Jiralhanae by a vast amount

If even then

[main hill]

You never seen the whole thumb thing where they straight up plunge their eyes into the persons eye sockets, it’s a real thing

[barren ferry]

They aren't going to pin the brute down for a meaningful amount of time, he can easily wrestle them off him.

Then once he gets back up, the marines are screwed.

That one time in ODST was both an inconsistency and had other variables at play.

Not to mention weapons.

They aren't gonna kill the brute with anything they've got.

[main hill]

No matter what variable you have in play it still doesn’t take away from the fact they managed to push over a Brute with only 3 guys, 15-20 should be enough

[barren ferry]

The brute is simply far too fast and strong for the marines to do anything to a brute who is aware.

15-20 won't do anything without inconsistencies.

A knife strike to the neck is going to drain a lot of your physical strength, if not kill you outright.

There are way too many important veins and arteries in the neck for a knife not to do major damage, the fact the Brute didn't collapse is just a testament of their species endurance and strength

There's a reason he stabbed the kneck almost immediately, so that the brute wouldn't tear them apart as soon as he wrestled Rookie off of him.

He stabbed the brute 4 times in total.

[main hill]

The 1st time was before they rest tackle him, the rest were during. I still think to take down a Brute even in that situation is proof enough to say that not a crazy amount of marines is necessary

[barren ferry]

But this was a Brute who was off guard, not one who was in an active fight.

The brute wouldn't just stand there and let the marines do the same, he'd use his far superior speed to easily outmaneuver them and kill them one by one.

They're about as fast as SPARTANs if not faster.

There is also the fact that ODSTs are peak humans, marines are not.

[main hill]

I don’t think Brutes are very known for their speed and agility.

[barren ferry]

Actually they are.

They cover more ground in one step than humans do in three.

And can leap incredibly far distances and heights.

Not to mention, again, being as fast if not faster than SPARTANs and Elites.

[main hill]

I can believe the jumping aspect but I’m pretty sure the whole step thing just has to do with their height, taller people tend to have larger strides, doesn’t necessarily make em more agile.

[barren ferry]

Hell, a brute almost killed john in hand to hand, marines stand basically no chance.

[terse lava]

Side note, that 3 step thing was in regards to regular humans

[barren ferry]

Yes, that's what I said.

"The transient contact was back—a shadow moved around the same pillar John used for cover. It moved faster than an Elite—as fast as John."

[main hill]

Aight

[humble yacht]

That’s funny that a brute was faster than elite when people complain about hesduros elites being Brutish and slow

Irony

[nocturne owl]

I wonder whose idea is it to call a marine a soldier, when it's clearly a rifleman?

[normal shard]

I mean, soldier still fits.:P

[nocturne owl]

but that's taboo to a marine.

[normal shard]

The definition of soldier is "someone who serves in an army" so it's taboo to a marine to say they serve in an army?

[unique rune]

From what I understand some will get a bit fussy about it, since the Marine Corps or Navy is a separate branch from the Army.

[normal shard]

Okay, but army isn't just the name of the U.S Army; It's a word that describes a military.

So technically, a soldier, by definition, is someone who serves in an organized military force.

Heck, Master Chief himself gets called a soldier. No one seemed to care then, either.

[unique rune]

I'm not gonna disagree but apparently some people are picky about that kind of terminology.
So.

[normal shard]

Fair enough. Shrug.

[nocturne owl]

terminology aside, I can see why Halsey is hostile to Spartan-III, whilst showing Jorge some form of caring personality. But i wonder what her perception towards Noble six was.

[terse lava]

She trusted him enough to handle Cortana

[stable flower]

He has the same reputation as John so yeah.

[nocturne owl]

For some reason, Halsey gives me the vibe of an amused parent when she pointed out Jorge's armour modification.

and why did they lower the assault rifle ammunition from 60 to 32?

[main hill]

Because the MA5B was big, bulky, and pretty unwieldy it was just an impractical assault rifle, so the MA5C was made to be smaller, so they gave it a smaller mag

The smaller mag actually annoyed some soldiers though

For a real life contrast, the MA5B is like the M16 and the MA5C is like the M4, the M4 is supposed to be a smaller version of the M16

[stable flower]

The mag should be 40 TBH. Don't like how they keep reusing the same weapon magazine count for different models

[main hill]

Why? Don’t fix what isn’t broke.

[nocturne owl]

I feel that Miranda Keyes could have been done better.

[normal shard]

Agreed.

[nocturne owl]

What is Jared Miller's role actually apart from being fireteam crimson's handler? Has he ever been on a combat mission where he's actually participating in, boots on the ground and all?

[gilded mason]

He seems to only be a mission handler.

Which is...odd

You'd think they'd put him to other, more physical uses since he's an S4 in full armor

[nocturne owl]

I wish that they could have gave character designations to Fireteam Crimson.

[normal shard]

Would've been cool if it was like a Left 4 Dead situation where you had occasional voice lines from your character and you knew who you were.

[nocturne owl]

why do unsc officers even need neural interface implants?

i understand what their purpose is, but are they really that necessary?

I mean what happens when a UNSC officer retires? do they keep the neural implant?

[pulsar pivot]

Probably not

[versed helm]

Id think so, its a very invasive surgery and it’s probably more invasive to remove it.

[nocturne owl]

But then how do they make sure that intel is not leaked by accident?

or like on purpose?

[versed helm]

Likely delete it lol

Probably after every op they would wipe it

Kinda like a Droid in SW

Just my guess

[craggy sierra]

Why would she have any thoughts about noble 6 anymore than anyone else on the team?

At the end of the day the guy was just another Spartan 3

[versed helm]

To her atleast lol

He was on par with John

Or atleast close

[craggy sierra]

I mean john’s not even the best Spartan 2 so congrats on being tied for third I guess.

[versed helm]

(Even though thats not much for a Spartan bc john is overrated)

[versed helm]

Lol i was typing that exact point

Hes just lucky

Sam is Goated

So is Jerome but thats just my opinion as a Fanboy

[carmine sleet]

Y'all sleeping on Kelly and Linda

[versed helm]

I am slowly beginning to prefer Jerome over almost every other Spartan.

[ashen abyss]

why is it so?

[normal shard]

I hate cliffhangers. lol. Can't wait to hear this.

[lament maple]

Hi, can someone tell me where i can find information about the Warzone Boss called Baron Sroam?

[normal shard]

Halopedia has a page about them. It's under the name Mvon 'Sraom.

[lament maple]

Thanks!

[versed helm]

I am just quite fond of Jerome as a character, and appreciate the design of his armour set.

[normal shard]

Fair enough. I think he's interesting but I also think Jerome has the same issues the other spartans have from a writing standpoint.

[versed helm]

We don't have any flawless characters in the Halo universe. Acceptance of these issues can lead to an increased level of appreciation for a character.

[normal shard]

That's a bit of a fallacy. I'm not saying there are flawless characters. There's really no such thing, anywhere. When there's issues, working to solve them isn't a bad thing. After you accept an issue, you should usually work to fix it when it's possible. (and it is possible)

I keep thinking about where Infinite's story might go. I really hope the Spirit of Fire folks are in it to some degree.

[versed helm]

I never stated that I should allow the flaw to remain.

[normal shard]

I didn't claim you did.

[versed helm]

What are your gripes with Jerome? Do you find him to be relatively bland in nature?

[normal shard]

No, I wouldn't call him bland. He's just diet chief. To my knowledge, there's nothing particularly unique in his backstory or even interesting, for that matter. On top of that, similar to quite a few other spartans, he has no real defining personality traits either. Kind-of a blank slate type of character, really. In blue team though, for example (though there are others) I could hear a line of dialogue and think "That's so Chief" or "That's Linda for ya!". Can't really do that with Jerome. This is what I meant by "He has similar issues to quite a few other spartans from a writing standpoint"

I still wouldn't call him bland, because that implies there's anything there, that I find bland. He's a blank slate. Similar to Chief's beginnings. (Including an AI to sass him once in a while) So they could make him cool or he could be a blank slate forever.

[versed helm]

You have made a contradiction.

[normal shard]

k?

If you mean by the definition of bland, I just mean uniteresting. Which wouldn't be accurate since there's nothing there to find uninteresting.

lmao. So I got curious if I was missing something as far as his backstory, and looked up his Halopedia page. It lists the two Halo Wars game's events, and then under personality and traits, it has 2 sentences.

[versed helm]

He seems to take a light-hearted approach for most matters.

[craggy sierra]

I mean all spartan 2s share the same backstory

[versed helm]

Not really

The few Spartans 2's we've seen have entirely different experiences during the human-covenant war

[main hill]

weren't red team originally washouts

or am I thinking Grey team?

[versed helm]

They were washouts

And I think its black team not grey team tho I could be mistaken

[carmine sleet]

Red Team from Halo Wars 1 and 2 were washouts, Black and Grey weren't

And Waffle is mostly right, outside of some minor details, the S-IIs all have basically the same backstory of kidnapped by ONI and trained to be super soldiers to fight insurgents, only to mainly be deployed against the Covenant when they attacked

[versed helm]

Is this the kind of channel where you get feedback on halo fan fiction??

(I mean, Im writing a halo fan fiction for a mega construx stop motion video)

[gilded mason]

I guess if you were wanting to know if parts were lore-accurate or not.

[humble yacht]

nah this channel is for discussing actual fiction

[paper coyote]

you mean science-fiction

[steep ether]

#471727324895641651

[gloomy gorge]

^yeah this pretty much

[versed helm]

Is there anyone who knows a bit about screenwriting, and dialogue, stuff?

[fair hazel]

Refer to what was said above

[pulsar pivot]

Does anyone know how far exactly brutes got technology wise before they nuked themselves

[ocean ibex]

Pretty sure they got to like tier 6-5

Pre covenant

[terse lava]

Tier 4 i believe would be more accurate pre-Immolation

[pulsar pivot]

I ser

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