Like, maybe if we'd actually seen the Cortana fragments overwhelm the Warden or something, I could swallow that pill.
#lore-and-universe
limpid meadow
versed helm
I agree, it renders the Warden character completely pointless
limpid meadow
But it's all in the background :\
versed helm
and a non-threat
limpid meadow
Yep...
versed helm
Showing off an 11ft 16? ft Warden Eternal construct as a big threatening thing is fine, I can work with him as the new villain
But then it's revealed Cortana is in complete control, and she can literally force Warden Eternal / Promethean bodies to vanish into thin air whenever she wants, she can force him to stand down
It's like.... okay why are we doing this song and dance?
It's all just so strange
humble yacht
Cortana was testing Chief a bit
But it’s possible warden took the test too far
It’s pretty ambiguous
limpid meadow
There's a part of that that works, but you need to get players invested in the Chief and Cortana dynamic more. By focusing so much time on Osiris, there's not enough time to build the new dynamic needed for Halo 5.
versed helm
Warden's bodies could have killed Chief during any of those "tests", doesn't she want to protect Chief? lol
humble yacht
That’s why I said he could have been taking it too far
versed helm
In fact, near the end of Halo 5 Warden was going to straight up kill him
Chief can't actually beat Warden
stable flower
She still has feelings (or whatever AIs feel) for Chief.
limpid meadow
I disagree that its ambiguous. Characters out-right state that they believe Cortana is in complete control, and when she says "I just need to make sure I could still trust you", that all but confirmed to me that she was indeed in control the entire time.
versed helm
Yes, she says that near the end, but what does pushing through a few Warden Eternal waves have to do with "trust"?
Chief was always going to try to rescue Cortana
humble yacht
The ambiguous part is just how much autonomy warden had in peforming the tests
versed helm
The "trust" Cortana wants isn't about fighting Prometheans or not, the "trust" she is looking for is subjugation to her plans
Chief says it himself "as long as we do as you say"
Or something along those lines
Chief never agreed with her ideas
limpid meadow
The ambiguous part is just how much autonomy warden had in peforming the tests
If Dominion Splinter didn't exist, I'd probably agree.
versed helm
Cortana somehow entertained the idea that Chief would have been on board with all of this
She really is crazy, hahaha
humble yacht
Even with DS, the full extent of her control over Warden is not clear
limpid meadow
True, but the implication are heavily in favor, I think, of her being in full control.
humble yacht
Obviously he’s aligned with her but he’s still a powerful forerunner AI, seems like he had some creative license in how he ran Chief through the gauntlet
limpid meadow
But maybe Infinite will prove otherwise. Or it'll drop the whole thing like a hot turd.
versed helm
I am not certain how much control she had leading up to the end of Halo 5, but by the end when Chief reaches her, she can literally touch Forerunner stuff and make it vanish, like she did to all Warden Eternal's bodies...
Then he kneels in front of her: "Cortana... I have failed you"
Um....... wut?
Failed her how? In failing to persuade Chief??????
It's all very weird
humble yacht
Warden believed he failed her by allowing Chief to get to her
Warden was afraid Chief would cause Cortana to abandon her crusade
versed helm
Cortana ranted at Warden Eternal constantly about how she wants Chief with her, saying she needs no protection from John
Either she's in full control or she's not
humble yacht
Warden was seemingly doing what he thought was best for Cortana
Keep it constructive
limpid meadow
Warden was afraid Chief would cause Cortana to abandon her crusade
To me, that make no sense given Dominion Splinter
humble yacht
There are different levels of mind control
It doesn’t have to be full on puppeteering
versed helm
How can Warden believe that? Cortana could overrule him at any moment, she is in complete control
She can literally disarm him at any time
He has zero power
humble yacht
She disarmed him seemingly with major exertion
versed helm
That is the issue with the Cortana / Warden plot line, she renders him useless, he has no agency now, therefor he's not a threat
versed helm
She disarmed him seemingly with major exertion
That's not true, there's a cutscene in which she lightly touches Warden and he vanishes lol
https://youtu.be/1zV4lPugzOk?t=2270
She is in complete control, always was since she "tricked" him
humble yacht
That was after she yelled and made the other bodies vanish
By that point warden was already on his knees
main hill
I don’t think the logic plague theory is as stupid as you guys make it out to be, it does seem to be the way they are going with this
versed helm
She's free to yell, it doesn't mean it was hard for her to do all this
They literally gave her magic powers
versed helm
The writing establishes that Warden Eternal is powerless to challenge Cortana, I think they even implied she reprogrammed him to serve her
That is why he's a non-threat, he isn't a very good villain
humble yacht
As I said, there is different levels of servitude
versed helm
What do we call the level where "if I disobey my master I become disintegrated"
That's what she does to him hehe
main hill
I don’t know
humble yacht
The fact that he had the ability to try to disobey is what I’m pointing at
main hill
I don’t think Warden is completely controlled by Cortana, I think he’s just really loyal. Either way she’s too powerful for him either way.
versed helm
You just said Warden Eternal was testing Chief because Cortana wanted to test Chief
is that autonomy? Or him following her orders?
main hill
I mean
versed helm
Fighting Chief when she can stop him at any time, there's no agency there, Cortana's still in control
main hill
According to Halopedia The Warden is a forerunner AI
versed helm
and I don't think Cortana was ever letting Warden actually kill Chief
Unless it's just gameplay "player dies"
main hill
Obviously
She told him to stop, he disobeyed, and Cortana stopped him
Ah but wait
According to Halopedia
“the Warden was outsmarted by Cortana and was forced to serve her as she and other human AIs laid claim to the Mantle.”
versed helm
Yes, to me, the whole narrative points toward Warden Eternal never actually being a threat
It's her
She just subverts him completely
humble yacht
Remember that halopedia is written by fans so those entries are influenced by the fan’s interpretations
limpid meadow
^^^
Halopedia and fan wikis are great, but always take anything written with a grain of salt.
The people who curate that try to remain objective, but we're all human
versed helm
Pretty sure there's references to what he's saying in there, from the official lore, such as:
Now having full access to the Domain, Cortana sought to accomplish great works with the keeper's help. Cortana reprogrammed him and appointed him as her guardian—her Warden Eternal.[3] Halo: Tales from Slipspace, Dominion Splinter
She literally reprograms him
humble yacht
Yes but you can reprogram someone without them becoming a sock puppet
versed helm
He doesn't have to be a sock puppet to be an irrelevant character
He as simply never free to challenge her, he's programmed not to
Therefor he can't be a threatening villain, not as long as Cortana's programming rules him
Not to Chief anyway
humble yacht
I disagree. I think the overall reprogramming turning him to her side but he has his own ideas on how to serve her
So when she told him to test Chief he was like, “oh I’ll test him. Test him to death”
versed helm
He can have his own ideas, within certain bounds, for example Warden Eternal believes Chief will never be on board her plans (and he is right), and keeps pointing out to Cortana how all the questions Chief raises mean he doesn't "get it"
But he's not free to actually kill Chief
humble yacht
I think he legitimately tried
And Chief survived because he’s Chief. But at the very end when even Chief was about to be overwhelmed, Cortana intervened
versed helm
Yep, and I don't see how Warden Eternal's "own decision making" will ever play against Cortana's plans, I don't believe she will let him
humble yacht
It’s not the plan he was going against
versed helm
She showed up, claimed the Mantle, and that was that
he fell in line
Pretty shoddy IMO
humble yacht
He believed Chief was going to threaten Cortana’s resolve
That didn’t end up being the case, of course
But it was what warden said his motivation was
versed helm
And now it's Cortana we're up against, Warden is just along for the ride
Story really didn't need him at all tbh
He might as well be another mindless Knight under her control
stable flower
I doubt he'll appear in Infinite
versed helm
He is in a weird position, he's supposed to be a big part of her force now, like... leading the Prometheans? And he has a very large number of bodies to use (not sure how many?)
limpid meadow
I'm worried that Prometheans as a whole won't appear at this point.
versed helm
I like most of what 343 has done, the Prometheans are cool villains (some people dislike fighting them or whatever which I understand) but their design, story, motivations is passable. I just wish they went more into Promethean military stuff besides just Prometheans, halo 4 makes it seem like this is all that's left of the Forerunners
They have to find a way to incorporate all of this into Halo 5, including Warden Eternal's whereabouts
barren ferry
The people who curate that try to remain objective, but we're all human
how reliable is it in regards to say, weight classes for spartans and elites?
versed helm
The Prometheans are also supposed to be anti-Flood specialists, their entire faction is supposed to be antithesis to the Flood, that's another missed opportunity if they just trash the Warden
humble yacht
Pretty reliable
Hard stats are more trustworthy because personal interpretation doesn’t really come into play when listing stats
Chief’s height is chief’s height
If a stat number is listed without a citation, that would be a little sus
versed helm
If Halo 5 somehow solves the loose ends from Halo 5 and brings in more Forerunner stuff (not just the stuff Cortana now controls) I'll be a happy camper. Cortana isn't a Promethean or a Forerunner and her representing the entire race is weird.
This is in addition to whatever's going on with the Banished and the UNSC
barren ferry
cause SPARTAN-IIIs like Noble team are physically less massive than even a wookiee according to the stats i can see in terms of weight
like how
versed helm
Yeah I get that, I'm saying Forerunners are more than just AI and Prometheans
The Didact was a great villain, I think the way he was brought down wasn't deserved, but he was good
humble yacht
Yeah. They’re also a bunch of dead aliens
stable flower
I wonder if there's any Covenant AI left
versed helm
What if we get other Forerunner AI's in Halo 6? Ones who aren't persuaded by Cortana's offer? To them, the Domain and all this stuff isn't new or interesting
They've seen it all before
And also; what would the Didact think of what Cortana's doing?
humble yacht
The Didact was impressed by Cortana, calling her an evolved ancilla
This coming from a guy who helped make Mendicant Bias
versed helm
Do you think he'd let her take control of the Mantle? Even though she's technically UNSC?
humble yacht
No
versed helm
If he was in Halo 5
tough violet
The Didact was impressed by Cortana, calling her an evolved ancilla
Did he? I forgot about that.
humble yacht
Because Didact believes forerunners are the only ones who should have the mantle
versed helm
Would Warden Eternal's original programming make him submit to the Didact, if they met in Halo 5?
I wonder how Warden would react if actual Forerunners showed up and said "wait a minute, what's going on here??? you have a Human AI construct running the show?"
This is a plausible way I could see Cortana's rule being challenged
humble yacht
Warden wasn’t really a Promethean
tough violet
He was a thing
humble yacht
He was the guard for the domain. That would probably supercede any other rates
versed helm
So let's say Offensive Bias came back and noticed all this Forerunner tech is being used against the galaxy, under Cortana's orders
tough violet
And yet he submit to cortana, even though he was the guard? Or did he deem her worthy
versed helm
Would Offensive Bias or some other AI have something to say about it?
versed helm
Cortana reminds me a lot of MB right now
wanton finch
Honestly always seemed like the warden was the didact. Seeing as they sound the same and since he did fall into the composer
humble yacht
When I saw the first H5 trailers, I thought warden was a digital Didact or something
silver basin
So is the didact dead dead after Halo 4?
humble yacht
No
versed helm
If there's nothing left of the Forerunners to challenge Cortana's authority over the Mantle, then she will need to be defeated militarily
humble yacht
The mantle is just a philosophy, not an actual thing
versed helm
Oh I know
silver basin
Which Halo books fill the gap between 5 and Infinite?
versed helm
By Mantle I also mean the mandate to use the Domain, the Guardians, and all that other stuff to justify "keeping the peace at all costs"
humble yacht
Shadows of reach
tough violet
I still need to read that one.
versed helm
Let me rephrase that so avoid misunderstandings:
If there's nothing left of the Forerunners to challenge Cortana's control over Forerunner tech, then her Forerunner tech will need to be defeated militarily
main hill
The Didact’s story after Halo 4 was really confusing, they killed him off like 3 different times
limpid meadow
Yeah, I was going to say...
humble yacht
Yea. Post halo 4, the Didact was routed one time
tough violet
Chimera needs to make a straight up PowerPoint with all the Halo lore ever to exist, in order.
You know absolutely everything and it terrifies me.
humble yacht
I don’t know everything and I don’t claim to
versed helm
Imagine being so strong that you can't be integrated by one Composer, your enemy needs multiple composers to encode you into Windows XP HTML code
humble yacht
Tbh that was kinda bs
Halo 4 establishes his immunity to the composer so escalation is just like “how about a bunch of composers”
versed helm
Yeah, that was bizarre
versed helm
I don’t know everything and I don’t claim to
correction: You know everything and don't claim to
stable flower
The wall of composed ghosts or whatever in Escalation should be used more
humble yacht
The Composer’s Abyss
versed helm
Question for Loremasters only: How many composers does it take to compose the final boss of Halo 6?
gilded mason
61
ocean ibex
61
humble yacht
However many composers it took to write Set A Fire In Your Heart
versed helm
YOU ARE ALL VERY INCORRECT! The final boss of Halo 6 cannot be composed, he or she is too stronk!
Escharum won't be the final boss, they will hype up some other hidden threat that we haven't seen yet!
humble yacht
Or they won’t
versed helm
craggy sierra
It’s probably be Cortana if anything. Dunno how much that counts as a threat we “haven’t seen” since...ya know...we saw her last game...being a villain...that isn’t defeated at the end.
versed helm
Fighting Cortana means fighting more Prometheans and Guardians, as they are her "combat forms" now
Not sure how you fight that now without access to some greater tech
versed helm
Playable characters like the Arbiter, Chief, etc shooting can't do anything against a single Guardian except scratch its coat of paint
and there's dozens of them
we'll need a reliable way to take them down
It would be funny if the Banished of all people figure it out, lol
craggy sierra
They have not
unique rune
Just upload the results from searching for Sonic the Hedgehog on Deviantart, surely that'll be enough to overload and destroy them
versed helm
I like this idea
carmine sleet
Just upload the results from searching for Sonic the Hedgehog on Deviantart, sur...
I was gonna try convincing Cortana she needed to delete the system 32 virus
If that doesn't work, try to get her to download more RAM
gilded mason
The perfect plan!
versed helm
It would be hilarious if something software or AI related is what ends up bringing down Cortana's control over the Domain and the Guardians
since that's supposed to be her specialty or whatever
cedar surge
That's like a 50 percent chance of happening I think
humble yacht
It’s probably be Cortana if anything. Dunno how much that counts as a threat we ...
She'd make for a pretty poor final boss, tbh. you can't exactly hurt hardlight avatars
gilded mason
You can hurt them emotionally
main hill
I really hope they add more Promethean vehicle’s other than the phaeton
humble yacht
Imagine if the knight battle wagon was a vehicle
daring kiln
or the speeders
stable flower
I hope they add more Prometheans
main hill
I feel like they shoulda just made a Promethean tank rather than the Hannibal scorpion
This is gonna be a controversial opinion but sometimes I wish instead of weapon variants we just got entirely new weapons
And I don’t mean replace EVERY single weapon variant with a entirely new weapon I mean just some I could see definitely being a separate weapon or vehicle
More so weapons
Because most vehicle variants are just “it’s the same vehicle it just does more damage”
I should clarify, I don’t have a problem with weapon variants, it’s just that with some you may as well design a cool weapon rather than just copy and paste and then give it a different property
lime sonnet
So I'm listening to Hunt the Truth
Last time I did was 6 years ago
Holy balls it's good
First episode of season 2 and I'm broken though
||Fero was oni the WHOLE TIME?????? PAAAAAAAAIN||
humble yacht
Pretty sure you find that out at the end of season 1
lime sonnet
No
Unless I'm dumb
Which is very possible
That's where I'm at though I cannot wait to finish
humble yacht
K
main hill
I don’t think I ever finished season 2 of hunt the truth
I got up to the part where they found that religious cult or whatever I’m pretty sure
It was after the whole Jackal pirate thing
Season 1 was great
I remember being a bit confused with season 2
fluid urchin
i never finished hunt the truth
main hill
Honestly
If they ever make a hunt the truth season 3 now would be the perfect time
Having a point of view of what’s going on in Cortana controlled space rather than just the people trying to fight it
It would be perfect
sage vapor
Is Halo Glasslands completely cannon? Halsey seems to not know of the Spartan IIIs but the book takes place after Reach.
humble yacht
Yes
gilded mason
For that aspect at least, Halsey knew they were Spartans, but figured they were just SIIs made without her (during the time of Halo: Reach)
humble yacht
I mean, they were Spartans made without her
gilded mason
She didn't get confirmation that they were an entirely new generation until later
sage vapor
Ah ok, thank you.
main hill
Honestly I’d like to see Fero or Ben in a halo book
More so Fero because it would make more sense
Everybody gangsta till ONI sends you to the Midnight Facility
humble yacht
Audio drama
daring kiln
Is Halo Glasslands completely cannon? Halsey seems to not know of the Spartan II...
I think so
main hill
You should probably finish season 2
Yeah I’m rewatching it and I intend on finishing it this time
I feel like Spartans are like Navy Seals in the sense that they are spec-ops for the Navy while the ODST’s are like Army Delta’s or Marine Force Recon because they are spec-ops from the Marines
daring kiln
yeah
main hill
I’m pretty sure the UNSC also has something similar to the Pararescues/PJ’s of the air force but I’m not too sure
stable flower
You think someone should write "A Soldier's Tale: Rainforest Wars" as an actual book?
limpid meadow
You think someone should write "A Soldier's Tale: Rainforest Wars" as an actual ...
I've been begging for this for years. I'm pretty sure I've expressed that to folks at 343 directly, too.
main hill
It really hurts to hear whats been happening to Ben again.
limpid meadow
I remember back in the day, there were two Harry Potter companion books that they released, in-universe books, one of them being "Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them". I'd love to see Halo do something similar
main hill
They really should do a side series of books about the interplanetary wars before the Covenant and before Spartans, it would be cool.
limpid meadow
Agreed!
stable flower
We get all these books on Covenant and Forerunner history but not human history (modern humans, that is)
main hill
Hell I would love to see the forming of the UNSC in one of the books
Nothing says ONI like numerous war crimes lmao
Man I forgot a lot about Hunt the Truth
tranquil valve
And that H2A cutscene with Locke and Arbiter
cobalt quiver
By the time the Pillar of Autumn left reach, were there even any UNSC resistance left on reach? Or was everyone left 4 dead
nocturne owl
I wonder if they will eventually reveal Master Chief's surname.
I bet it would be a generic surname
nocturne owl
Initially i thought, Smith, Brown, Williams, etc.
edgy apex
I’ve been listening to Hunt the Truth again, I also just finished the I love bees story. I love the Halo audio dramas, cool format. Forgot how star studded the Hunt the Truth cast is too.
fair hazel
It’s amazing
versed helm
How much do the UNSC higher ups like lord hood know about oni
versed helm
Agreed!
In a perfect world the H6 Harbinger is composed Didact
👍
I saw your post on this, it's true, hahaha
But you and I both know it's most likely some new villain they are introducing, whom we've never heard of!
rustic glen
I'd like to know what the timeline and history of halo 3 and on wards would be if chief never left Cortana on High Charity. I don't know if its just me, but in hindsight she never had to stay on High Charity. I cant help thinking that there would be a lot more different outcomes, especially pertaining to the fate of Cortana. Just want to know if anyone else thinks about this?
bitter crystal
Quick question, I was just wondering if there is an actual explanation for why the sniper doesn't kill the flood?
versed helm
Quick question, I was just wondering if there is an actual explanation for why t...
The sniper does kill Flood, it's just not as affective as other types of weapons. Certain Flood Combat forms can be head shot with the Pistol or Sniper Rifle if you aim at the Infection Form controlling the body (usually in the middle of the chest IIRC), then it's a 1 hit kill
Flood Combat forms are pretty tough against most weapon types, you're better off with high power weapons such as the shotgun, grenades, rocket launcher, or automatic weapons such as the AR, needlers, fuel rod guns, energy sword, etc
I believe they're also fairly resistant to melees
Since a Flood Combat form is an infected mass of tissue I would imagine a UNSC Sniper bullet goes right through it and it can still function
bitter crystal
I was guessing that the sniper kinda "penetrates too easily", like go right through but doesn't rip apart enough flood mass... would be an explanation
versed helm
Yes, exactly
But if it destroys the infection form the whole thing goes down I think
bitter crystal
That makes sense, thx
fresh hamlet
I'd like to know what the timeline and history of halo 3 and on wards would be i...
Hindsight is 20/20 like they say. Cortana stayed at High Charity as a backup plan in case the Halo rings were activated so she could blow up In Amber Clad’s reactor and stop it.
Luckily, Arbiter, Johnson, and Miranda Keyes were able to stop Halo’s activation by themselves
But yeah I imagine Halo 3 would be a lot different had Cortana stayed with Chief
In ways we really can only speculate
rustic glen
@fresh hamlet I get what your saying, but with that meta knowledge and outcome Cortana doesn't need to stay at High Charity. Halo 3 would have ended the same way with truths defeat and the floods defeat. I just want to hear others theories on what halo 3, 4, and 5 would look like with this outcome. I'm guessing that if Cortana was never left on High Charity they could have stopped truth and the flood much more efficiently and set up 4 and 5 with entirely new story-lines instead of 'Evil Cortana'.
I'm an author on webnovel.com and I have lots of experience writing my own creations as well as fanfiction's. I cant stop the writer in me from wanting to do a fanfiction with this idea I have. It's super hard as a creative person to drop an idea like the one I'm having and this one has been driving me crazy since the master chief came to PC.
I will more than likely end up doing something after my plate clears, I think about this idea everyday and the more I think about it the more I want to write about it.
versed helm
Well I mean it's not confirmed or anything cortana has the logic plague
all we know for certain is she was rampant and i guess failed to complete final dispensation
fresh hamlet
And was fragmented
versed helm
<@!343164449382727682> I get what your saying, but with that meta knowledge and ...
Halo 4's story with Cortana proceeded along a sensible path, she started going rampant and decided to use that fact to help Chief by invading the Didact's ship and fighting him there (leading to Halo 4's ending). It's in Halo 5 that Cortana's story truly went off the rails, now that Rampancy is no longer a thing and she is now Evil Galactic Emperor who outsmarts all Forerunner AI's
fresh hamlet
Resulting in evil cortana in 5
rustic glen
See this is the discussion I was yearning for!!!
cursive gull
isnt the Cortana in 5 a rampant fragment restored by the domain?
versed helm
Halo 4's story with Cortana proceeded along a sensible path, she started going r...
Rampancy is still kind of a thing for her iirc, it just isn't getting worse now that she has practically infinite space to expand
fresh hamlet
Yeah
versed helm
She's been "restored" in the sense that she won't die to rampancy (infinite life span, presumably because the Domain gives her infinite space to grow)
But the crazy thoughts? She already started having those
That's why in Halo 5 she's overly-controlling mother-karen, but on a galactic scale
puke
JOHN, YOU ARE NOT GETTING YOUR VACCINES
🤮
cursive gull
The galaxy's largest helicopter mom
versed helm
brb
rustic glen
I think that with my little idea she wouldn't have fallen into rampancy, with her and the Chief fighting together throughout halo 3 they would have found a better way to defeat the flood and not use the ark for what they did. If the ark was used for something else and by proxy installation 04 the Arbitar and the Chief along with Cortana would have made it back to earth.
Leading to a new 'Halo 4' and 'Halo 5' game.
versed helm
Rampancy is a cool concept, and serves as a ticking time bomb for the UNSC, and a "weak point" for all the power they can gain by having free, Smart AI's. Eventually, they must be decomissioned. Rampancy has been a thing since the days of... uh... Marathon. It makes a lot of sense because humanity is simply not as advanced yet to create immortal AI's.
Removing Rampancy and making it irrelevant through the Domain killed a very good plot point.
What do you think about that as a writer, @rustic glen ?
fresh hamlet
They should’ve reverse engineered or just simply asked 343 guilty spark how to make better AIs tbh
rustic glen
I think the concept of rampancy in a beloved character will spill disaster, but it cant be avoided. In halo 4 Cortana said halsey had a way to save her. Which would work in my little idea.
However, I am not an expert on halo lore. Best I can do at this point in time is fresh up on the books and the games. I would have loved to see a different halo 4 and 5. While I liked halo 4 I cant say the ending was unpredictable.
carmine sleet
They should’ve reverse engineered or just simply asked 343 guilty spark how to m...
Spark wouldn't know how to make AI better
fresh hamlet
He wouldn’t know how to make himself?
You’d think with all the forerunner tech knowledge he has, he’d be able to do that
unique rune
I mean, he probably doesn't know why he works the way he does.
versed helm
I like Halo 4 and its ending. It's not the most creative thing out there but it works and I can accept the Didact being overly overconfident for a hot moment and being beaten by Hard Light in his own ship. I can kinda get that.
Halo 5's turn of events and ending though, I can't accept it. #resist
carmine sleet
Does a computer know how to make itself?
fresh hamlet
Chinese room problem with “know,” but aside from that I imagine yes if they have a pretty deep understanding of your technology and are sentient
rustic glen
I really like the halo franchise, I just want to see a hypothetical universe that my idea happened and what it would look like.
carmine sleet
Chinese room problem with “know,” but aside from that I imagine yes if they have...
What?
versed helm
I mean, he probably doesn't know why he works the way he does.
I think he meant 343 GS or another Forerunner construct can give other people the technology on how to make superior AIs
If they felt like it
fresh hamlet
What?
What are you confused about
@versed helm which spark would during most of halo 3
carmine sleet
What are you confused about
Didn't need to tag me and what do you mean by "Chinese room problem"?
fresh hamlet
Since he’s trying to help humanity
rustic glen
The idea of an Evil Cortana sounded like a way to keep the halo franchise alive instead of ending it. We all know that all good things must come to an end, especially before they turn bad.
jagged glen
The idea of an Evil Cortana sounded like a way to keep the halo franchise alive ...
cool
fresh hamlet
Famous philosophical thought experiment about computers and knowledge
limpid meadow
That's easily the worst way to keep the franchise alive, and if that's all 343 could come up with, then I'd kind of be inclined to agree with certain individuals that they shouldn't be in control of the franchise.
Halo is so much more than just the Chief & Cortana
limpid meadow
Spot on!
Now, that said, 343 very much is capable coming up with better material. The expanded universe is evidence of that.
And further, the idea of making Cortana a villain isn't necessarily a bad one. Halo 5 has a lot of cool and creative ideas buried in it. The presentation is just absolutely terrible.
rustic glen
I really do wonder if they are going to end it in Halo Infinite. I think wrapping up the story of Chief and Cortana should happen. There are other things that can be used as game material in the Halo Franchise. Like a Flood Horror game.
versed helm
Now, that said, 343 very much is capable coming up with better material. The exp...
Yes, I agree with this completely, and this makes Halo 5's writing even more frustrating for me. The Forerunner Trilogy of books was AWESOME and 343 has introduced MANY good concepts for the expanded lore, adding to the Flood, Precursor, and Forerunner history.
So...... what the hell happened?
main rivet
A game is a much harder target to hit than a book made by single authors.
versed helm
Maybe too many cooks in the kitchen in the Halo 5 writing room?
Too many people wanting to do something "epic" with Cortana instead of just telling a story about the Warden Eternal?
fresh hamlet
Well, idk about that. The main thing is they can’t just turn a Halo book into a main game unless it revolves around Chief and Cortana, otherwise fans of only the games will feel pretty alienated (ie Didact and Locke).
rustic glen
I'd love to see a game about the forerunner flood war.
Games about post 2560 are also something I'd like to see.
fresh hamlet
Though why they never really have you play as Arbiter through the Sangheili civil war I’ll never know
limpid meadow
We'll probably see that since Infinite is set in 2560
limpid meadow
Though why they never really have you play as Arbiter through the Sangheili civi...
This is such a rich potential concept. It's a crime we've yet to have a dedicated Elite game.
rustic glen
In the lore Chief dies in 2560 I THINK, who knows this could be the final game for Chief and Cortana.
main rivet
There's no canon death for Chief.
rustic glen
I didnt think so, perhaps that was something that was not supposed to be written.
main rivet
With stuff like New Blood they've implied that Spartans could theoretically have an indefinite lifespan, but obviously there's some occupational hazards standing in the way of that.
rustic glen
Kinda like a witcher never dies in his bed.
main rivet
While it's not explicitly stated, given the context I think you can infer Chief dies sometime before 2607 when they build the monument to him and museum of humanity.
fresh hamlet
Well that’s not fully clear either
The “believe” ads don’t line up with events in the games
So if they’re canon and want to be consistent, chief can’t be the one in the second battle of new mombasa and whatnot
Even the ads also don’t definitively say Chief is dead even if it was him
Only that they don’t know where his body is
rustic glen
I'm more attached to the Halo franchise than any other games besides Witcher. I really do hope Infinite closes the book on Chief like Withcer 3 did for Geralt. While 343 doesn't have the reputation it once had, I still believe in them to make this game great.
fresh hamlet
They never really had that high of reputation afaik
At least, there was always a side of the fanbase that hated everything they changed
Meanwhile there wasn’t really as much of this animosity towards bungie
main rivet
Eh, there was.
It's just hard to say how much in comparison just because the same social media and sharing tools didn't exist.
fresh hamlet
I’d say for reach maybe, and partially odst marketing
main rivet
There was Halo2sucks.com after all.
fresh hamlet
Fair
main rivet
The Halo Cycle® has always existed.
limpid meadow
It's just hard to say how much in comparison just because the same social media ...
So much this. I can only image how social media may have looked had it exist back in the Halo 2 and 3 days as it does now.
main rivet
Most of the forums have gone dark, but checking out the old pages of Halo.bungie.org will give you some idea how divisive every game has been.
fresh hamlet
Yeah I can definitely see fans being pretty upset about the e3 gameplay footage ultimately not being in the game
True
main rivet
I think the major thing with social media and algorithms is it by its nature pushes the more extreme opinions and incentivizes someone to push those opinions. Is Toa's video saying "Halo Babies: Decent" going to do as well as "Halo Babies is Killing Halo" even if all the content in the video was the same?
main rivet
(reference to this old Halo comic: http://halobabies.bungie.org/comics/1/)
versed helm
thanks
versed helm
This is such a rich potential concept. It's a crime we've yet to have a dedicate...
Would any Halo fan actually have a problem with a game where you play as Rtas 'Vadum or another special operations Elite ? Leading a team of Elites was super fun in Halo 2 and 3
I would throw gobs of money at a Rtas 'Vadum game
versed helm
That's easily the worst way to keep the franchise alive, and if that's all 343 c...
In all fairness, 343 was handed a franchise that had effectively ended all the main plot points and told to continue it. They hardly had a great starting point. Yes halo 3 kind of ended on a cliff hanger with chief going into stasis, but most of the covenant/flood was done and over.
The game made right before the hand over was a prequel, and so prequels weren't the best option for 343 since maybe 2 in a row is ok, but by the third people want to know what's going on in the "present", especially if it's the new studios first game. The same thing kind of applies to games as other characters, lots of people know halo as the game with master chief and whilst they might love bits where you play as the arbiter, multiple games without playing as the chief also wasn't really an option for their first few games.
They basically had to find a new villain, which imo they did decently with the didact but it feels like they needed to make an ending so they immediately killed him, which repeats the whole problem.
I liked the Didact a lot. They didn't need to immediately kill him off though. The player didn't need to "beat" the Didact for Halo 4 to have a good ending
carmine sleet
The Ur-Didact didn't die in Halo 4
versed helm
The Ur-Didact didn't die in Halo 4
for all effective purposes he did
I know, he survives and gets quadruple composed later in a comic book. But the player defeats Didact in combat
in the game itself
Or rather, Chief and Cortana manage to defeat him above Earth
Halo 4 didn't need that route to have a good ending, especially since it's the first out of 3 planned games
I agree that 343 did a good job finding a good villain for Halo 4, but then they just let him be defeated rather quickly, especially for a character of such considerable power. Creating the same issue coming into Halo 5 where now you need a new, bigger, scarier enemy.
^^^
that's what i was trying to say except actually readable lol
Oh yeah, question, so did forerunners know the cryptums would protect you from the ring? If so, is the iso didact alive or did only the ur didact survive?
Imagine if in Halo CE you defeat the Covenant and stop the Flood in a not-very-climactic way. Then Halo 2 needs a brand new enemy force. That's what 343 did to themselves going into Halo 5
Didact had a lot of potential, who knows what other Forerunner stuff he could have activated besides the Composer and Mantle's Approach? All that was never explored. For the top military mind of the Ecumene, they executed him very poorly.
versed helm
Oh yeah, question, so did forerunners know the cryptums would protect you from t...
As far as I know, Librarian wanted to keep UrDidact safe within that cryptum, letting access to the Domain "heal" his mind and remove his anger at humans and other forerunners. But since the Halos were fired, they wiped the Domain clean. So UrDidact has been stuck for all those years with nothing but his anger.
Presumably IsoDidact died when he fired the rings during the war against the Flood?
craggy sierra
The idea of an Evil Cortana sounded like a way to keep the halo franchise alive ...
But she really wasn’t though. Even without her there’s still the post war civil wars happening amongst the aliens and factions like the banished running around.
Halo has lots of potential conflict outside and not related to her.
versed helm
As far as I know, Librarian wanted to keep UrDidact safe within that cryptum, le...
I don't think the plan involved the domain, I think he was just meant to meditate, but instead he got angry
craggy sierra
I really do wonder if they are going to end it in Halo Infinite. I think wrappin...
Also like a flood horror game super wouldn’t work. Outside of body horror the flood don’t really have anything that makes them well suited to the genre of games.
They’re not a lone stalker/hunting faction. They’re a swarm. Their trademark is coming at you in overwhelming numbers and turning all your assets they flow over back onto you. Like a flood
The closest thing you’re getting to a flood “horror” game is a Left 4 Dead reskin.
versed helm
Are GEN 3 armour sets compatible with all Spartans?
craggy sierra
Yeah?
pulsar grail
why wouldnt they be lol
main hill
So I’m rewatching season 2 of Hunt the Truth
And I just remembered that “Unggoy Farmer” is a canon game in the Halo Univerese
versed helm
And I just remembered that “Unggoy Farmer” is a canon game in the Halo Univerese
I- I'm sorry what? Where can I find this?
is it just an in universe game that doesn't exist irl
or is it a real thing
main hill
It’s mentioned in episode 3 of season 2 of Hunt the Truth by Mishawk
No it’s not a IRL thing
main hill
Although making it a flash game or something would be a pretty good marketing campaign ngl
versed helm
better be a side mode in halo infinite
instead of lore terminals it's computers with 1 level of Unggoy Farmer on them each
You're right. Wow what a missed opportunity! We must get this game
Can we get a petition going?
We are humble folks... we're not asking for much... just a simple 2D game with a few levels is enough
main rivet
Halo has a lot of room for a lot of genres, but I feel like they're stuck in a chicken-and-egg situation where they're concerned about broadening it and not having an audience, but because they don't broaden it they limit it.
I think the major missed opportunity for them was the MegaBloks game, because judging by Outpost Discovery there's a ton of young kids who are the children of Halo fans who could use a game to get into it if their folks don't necessarily want them playing T or M-rated games (or playing online with those communities.)
Insofar as the mistakes they made with the handoff, I think they made some odd choices with the timeline. Skipping ahead years for Halo 4 made sense. But then the entire intergame period they crammed everything into a weird short time immediately after Halo 3 (having Spartan IVs and the Infinity and everything running right after the war instead of years after, etc.)
steep ether
hey, didnt the SoF have halo 2 brs?
lime sonnet
Hunt the Truth Season 2 spoilers
||okay so I'm a buffoon. Yes Fero is Oni, but she's not really Oni. Like she's not a bad guy. Whew. I thought I just expected me to accept that punch without any problems lmao.||
||poor Ben||
lime sonnet
Wait id she bad
Not even sure
Wait wym ||rip ven||
BRUH
IM TWO EPISODES IN
THANKS
THANKS FOR THAT
:(
Okay I'm still so confused
Is Oni even the bad guy here??? Like yeah obviously the whole spartan program was bad
But the new perspective of season two makes them seem way less malevolent
Wait but ||they're keeping Ben alive, but they know about fero obviously, but whaaat??||
versed helm
THANKS FOR THAT
you clicked on the spoiler... 2 episodes in... what did you expect
ONI is considered as being a morally grey shadow organisation. They will secure humanity's future at all costs.
That includes sabotaging the agricultural systems for alien races.
ONI will also silence informants if it is necessary; I normally like to compare the organisation to the Grey Knights from the Warhammer 40K universe.
they will also kill allied sangheli because they're rude > : (
wait they turn into emojis
what how did i never know this
As I stated earlier, ONI doesn't use ethical tactics.
steep ether
wait they turn into emojis
what
carmine sleet
No it’s not a IRL thing
It needs to be real
versed helm
When intergalactic threats are threatening to wipe out the human race, sometimes shady and amoral tactics are necessary
Does ONI do terrible things? Yes, and so does every other major alien faction
It's "win at all and any cost no matter how steep" because the alternative is extinction
gilded mason
Not when they act like cartoon villains, killing their own allies and attempting to commit genocide on an entire race without anyone outside of ONI knowing, including the heads of UEG. They're more justifiable during the war, but not afterward.
versed helm
Well now ONI has to deal with someone equally crazy and power hungry: Cortana
I'd like to see how ONI reacts to her literally occupying planet Earth
and what they plan to do about it
Humanity was not risk of becoming extinct before the events of Halo Infinite, Sinogue.
gilded mason
Think Shadows of Reach says they're basically massively crippled now
Scattered around with most ONI agents "free" being the ones onboard the Infinity at the time
versed helm
Humanity was not risk of becoming extinct before the events of Halo Infinite, Si...
Oh I know, I'm more referring to the highly unethical actions ONI took surrounding the Human Covenant War
I don't know much about what ONI is supposed to be doing after Halo 3/4 or now before Infinite
gilded mason
I'm hoping 343 uses this conflict as an in-lore excuse to basically clean house on ONI and basically make them an actual intel agency again instead of an amoral shadow government
versed helm
ONI is considered as being a morally grey shadow organisation. They will secure ...
I think this statement summarises their motives.
I agree with you, Ostral, since ONI operates like a discount Galactic Empire at this point.
gilded mason
Yeh
versed helm
So who from Humanity's side is working on dealing with the Created having control of Earth?
gilded mason
No idea
versed helm
There's a literal Guardian stationed above Earth making sure we fall in line
gilded mason
I guess Halsey is dealing with stopping the Created at the source
versed helm
I suppose it would be the UNSC, or its Army.
Surely the United Earth Government has feelings about this
gilded mason
Not much the UEG can do witha guardian stationed at Earth
One pulse and the fighting is over again
versed helm
I would love to see Army Troopers make a return in the Halo titles.
humble yacht
I'm hoping 343 uses this conflict as an in-lore excuse to basically clean house ...
All intelligence agencies in fiction are about as sketchy as ONI
versed helm
^ yup
Look at real intel agencies in the real world, many of them evolve into shadow governments
gilded mason
Yeah, and they're kinda evil, too
humble yacht
It’s not like the cia is sunshine and rainbows
gilded mason
Well, yeah. The CIA has done absolutely evil things to the US and its allies
humble yacht
Which makes ONI like a real intelligence agency
gilded mason
When I say "actual intel agency", I mean an agency that collects, disseminates, contextualizes, etc. intel, not make them a "real life" agency that also does evil things.
humble yacht
ONI does all that too
gilded mason
Okay, neato. It also does the other stuff. I want the other stuff, you know, not being done.
tranquil valve
ONI has probably done their own MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods
I mean they DID kidnap a bunch of kids and raised them to be supersoldiers
gilded mason
Seems likely.
versed helm
Conspiracy theory: ONI designed the video game Unggoy Farmer to pacify the people and stop them from rioting
a game so addictive no one bothered to investigate ONI's activities
What happened to the daughter of the scientist in Winter Contingency?
versed helm
You invest so much time with her in one level and never hear from the character again. I suppose you can brand it as Bungie misusing their characters in Halo Reach, lol.
Here now! Are you implying Bungie made a mistake?
Affirmative.
Unacceptable!
versed helm
what
if you write out faces and stuff using punctuation they become emojis, that was all I was saying. Just never knew about it.
gilded mason
You can disable that in the settings
stable flower
Hate when characters disappear from the story like that.
stoic haven
Probably in a cave
steep ether
if you write out faces and stuff using punctuation they become emojis, that was ...
um.. still dont really know what you mean but ok
versed helm
write colon close bracket and hit enter if you don't know what i mean.
astral socket
hol' up
so the halo rings worked by killing flood food, by killing sentient beings, right?
But we know flood can revive corpses, so how on earth would that work
gilded mason
Nervous systems get destroyed by the Halo pulse
astral socket
so theoretically, any brute I headshot shouldn't be revivable?
gilded mason
And the Flood need nervous systems to take control of bodies
No idea myself for how much would need to be intact for the Flood to control one
versed helm
So what kind of exotic fuel source did that fleet that recolonized Alluvion discover?
Thought?
stable flower
I wonder if jellyfish can be infected by the Flood
fair hazel
I don't think we have too much information other than it was able to replace deuterium
versed helm
I bet it was Forerunner in origin since it was located underneath the Sundark Sea and it was shielded by Forerunner pylons
Imagine the kind of things humanity could do if it managed to harness the power of vacuum energy or whatever powers Forerunner technology
fair hazel
I dont think it was vacuum energy
gilded mason
It is, actually
humble yacht
Vacuum energy powered some forerunner tech
Like didact’s ship
Those poor, fledging universes 😔
gilded mason
On the bright side, at least they were used before any life was made in them, eh?
humble yacht
You’d think a universe full of life would provide more energy than an empty one
gilded mason
Nah, first Law of Thermodynamics
There's still the same amount of energy, just in different forms, eg. life
humble yacht
I prefer the third law
Or whatever law says that the entropy of a system can only increase
gilded mason
2nd law
humble yacht
Yea, that one
I like that one because entropy is disorder, so it’s saying the universe can only get more chaotic, never less
The Joker would appreciate that
gilded mason
If only we had a Multivac
dawn knot
Yea, that one
Entropy is not randomness, it's spreading out energy
gilded mason
So what planet is this city located?
That page is all we know of it
versed helm
So would Nairobi still be considered the capital of Kenya despite the growth of New Mombasa?
gilded mason
Perhaps!
versed helm
Not going to lie, I laughed when Commissioner Kinsler got torn apart by that crowd
Also, I kind of want to see some concept art of those pseudo-organic constructs that Abaddon created
terse lava
They did sound a bit interesting
versed helm
Like they were supposedly based on those Promethean Crawlers
terse lava
Yes
versed helm
Imagine what a pseudo-organic version of either a Promethean Knight or Sentinel would look like
terse lava
Can easily picture it
versed helm
Would you rather live on Meridian or Venezia?
versed helm
No.
terse lava
I wanna live on High Charity
steep ether
Would you rather live on Meridian or Venezia?
false
versed helm
I choose Venezia because frankly, yoink the UNSC
I would probably live on a planet that is far from the grasps of the UNSC, Covenant and etc.
humble yacht
In a galaxy where ftl travel is commonplace, no planet would be that far from someone’s grasp
fair hazel
venezia is more developped than meridian
versed helm
In a galaxy where ftl travel is commonplace, no planet would be that far from so...
A man can dream, I suppose. I could easily choose a planet of little interest to most factions.
humble yacht
And then some local warlord starts taxing you
versed helm
I would live in complete seclusion, lol.
humble yacht
You’d go insane
barren ferry
I wonder if jellyfish can be infected by the Flood
Well they can't be infected. Much like Grunts, they are killed for their biomass.
The flood only infects bipedal organisms like humans or Sangheili because it needs combat forms to fight for it.
gilded mason
It can convert anything with a nervous system into a combat form
Though it can use everything else as biofuel
And there are grunt combat forms in lore
barren ferry
Well I know that for the Grunts case. Anything with a central nervous system can be infected yes, it's just that the flood choose not to infect those guys because Grunt and Jackal combat forms are next to useless.
Drones simply don't have the calcium
humble yacht
Anything biological can be infected
Infection isn’t limited to getting a pod infector on your face
versed helm
Your the most active mod
terse lava
@barren ferry we do have 2 Canon cases of Unggoy being used as.combat forms by the flood. And Bungie had plans for their combat forms in CE as well
junior dome
So is New Mombasa in Halo 2 not canon?
craggy sierra
what?
gilded mason
lmao
craggy sierra
Did we ever get that gas leak looked at?
fresh hamlet
I thought grunts were just used for carrier forms
junior dome
@craggy sierra Halo 2 New Mombasa. Is it canon
gilded mason
I thought grunts were just used for carrier forms
Nah
junior dome
Either that or Halo 3 ODST. Which one is canon
craggy sierra
<@205511996819505153> Halo 2 New Mombasa. Is it canon
Yes? Why wouldn’t it be?
junior dome
Because there are 2 different depictions of it?
humble yacht
Or just different parts of the same city
craggy sierra
No?
junior dome
No. Halo 3: ODST and Halo 2 do not match up. Clearest example is the Space Elevator
craggy sierra
Cities are big and ODST takes place over barely a dozen blocks.
junior dome
There is also differences in skyline
My guess is ODST is supposed to be canon, since that game was about New Mombasa
craggy sierra
...they’re the same city.
craggy sierra
Halo 2 mostly took place Old Mombasa, crossing the bridge into New Mombasa where in the only area you interact with is an underpass tunnel, a park, a city street and then a single building/canal.
humble yacht
After the covenant, they’ll need to make a New New Mombasa
craggy sierra
And a New Old Mombasa
gilded mason
New Nova Nouveau Neo Mombasa
junior dome
@craggy sierra Im saying that there are clear differences between the two. Some things from Halo 2 may be canon, but what I am saying is what overall depiction of the city is canon?
cedar surge
Both are
One part of the city is much older than the other part
Older one being old mombasa
humble yacht
Nanobots changed the skybox 
gilded mason
Older one being old mombasa
He's saying that the new part of New Mombasa has different building styles between the two games, but as said, just simply be explained as different parts of the "new" region.
craggy sierra
Anniversary makes them look pretty similar and I’m going to go with lacking shadows and being low poly as being non-canon from the original release.
gilded mason
But yeah, the thread I posted gives a good map view for it
junior dome
The major thing is the space elevator. Its in a completely different spot
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure it’s off on its own island in all versions.
cedar surge
By perspective? Wasn't it in the same place as in the cutscene
junior dome
In ODST it was at the tip of the peninsula iirc
nocturne owl
I wonder how gravemind controls the floods actions. Must be painful and hard.
wet pollen
How hot do you think it gets?
humble yacht
Well since it’s organic material, it can sweat to relieve heat
wet pollen
Still.
nocturne owl
I know it isn't flood-like behaviour at all, but can a gravemind tell the flood forms, theoretically, to kill themselves?
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
Flood forms don’t have individual will. The gravemind controls them like a puppeteer. Without a gravemind, the run purely on instinct
So it’s less it tells them to self terminate and more it just makes them
nocturne owl
but i wonder what happens, if however unlikely, graveminds encounter one another?
humble yacht
It’s all the same gravemind
gilded mason
They're the same being
humble yacht
Multiple gravemind’s would just be like multiple terminals connecting to the same server
junior dome
Why is there a distinction between the Primordial and the Gravemind?
gilded mason
Yep
humble yacht
Because the primordial was a separate being to start
wet pollen
So does the flood use the domain?
humble yacht
Not that we know
junior dome
But arent graveminds just extensions of the primordial?
wet pollen
Huh.
humble yacht
Graveminds formed before the primordial joined the flood
wet pollen
So if you kill every flood on the universe it just dies?
junior dome
Then what is the connection between the primordial and graveminds?
gilded mason
Maybe. There's likely some sort of Flood-made-Domain that they use, to ensure they will be around for eternity
humble yacht
The primordial transferred its consciousness to the flood when it died
junior dome
Also, I thought the Primordial was the first gravemind?
gilded mason
Transferred would be most likely
humble yacht
Same thing, really
wet pollen
uh
humble yacht
An upload is a type of data transfer
gilded mason
The two have different connotations
humble yacht
Transfers copy as well, and then just delete the original file
gilded mason
I imagine with the ever wonderful Neural Physics, the consciousness was transferred rather than only copied.
humble yacht
Copying would be pointless considering the primordial died
wet pollen
Mind transfer might be impossible in real life.
humble yacht
There’s be nothing left for the original file to live in
It’s impossible until it’s possible
wet pollen
That's why I said might.
wet pollen
But mind uploading is far more realistic.
You just need a way to very precisely scan the brain and somehow convert that info into digital.
humble yacht
just
Lol
wet pollen
lmao
gilded mason
I'm gonna go invent magic, brb
wet pollen
Mind transfer, on the other side... Well, how do you even start theorizing a way to do it.
wet pollen
I'm gonna go invent magic, brb
_ _ bru
humble yacht
Well this is a halo lore channel so we don’t need to theorize how to make that work irl
gilded mason
It varies. By a lot
humble yacht
Stronger elites get better shields
gilded mason
Some are weaker than Mjolnir, some are a lot stronger. And even in the same class, you got a wide range of how much force is needed to deplete a shield
wet pollen
I guess Spartans are more expensive.
humble yacht
Covenant don’t really have to worry about expense like humanity
It’s not like the covenant factories can say no to the prophets
wet pollen
Good point.
stable flower
I wonder why Heretic Elite shields are purple
gilded mason
They think it looks pretty
humble yacht
Gameplay reasons, probably
wet pollen
Maybe it's their favorite color.
stable flower
I find it funny cause purple is the Covenant's main color but they're ex-Covenant
humble yacht
Where’d they all find those ugly armor sets
gilded mason
If all the heretics used to be in thel’s fleet
I think they actually might've.
There was something about it, I think, in some timeline dealio
humble yacht
Not that much time passed between the end of CE and the beginning of 2
What, did they fly back to Sanghelios and change? 
gilded mason
Found it
ENTRY 68245/9312885–GAS MINE
Minor Prophet sends expeditionary forces to outlying gas facility, distinctly Forerunner in origin. Sesa 'Refumee and Loka 'Bandolee lead detachment. Fleet Master disapproves, issues close-band transmission demanding all military forces be concentrated on the human threat posed to the Holy Ring.
humble yacht
So what, that was gear specially designed for gas mine work?
gilded mason
Guess so
humble yacht
So dumb
wet pollen
Hm.. is it ever stated how exactly shields work?
stable flower
I wish the Flood Combat Forms in Oracle looked like Heretic Elites instead of Covenant Minor ones
gilded mason
Hm.. is it ever stated how exactly shields work?
Not exactly, no. Something to do with electromagnetic fields and hardlight.
wet pollen
Hardlight??
gilded mason
Yeh
wet pollen
For shields other than Forerunner's?
gilded mason
Yup
wet pollen
bruh
terse lava
The Covenant had access to it
wet pollen
Hey.
Long time no see.
I was wondering when you'd show up.
probably doesn't even know me
stable flower
I mean they made unique models for the Sentinels on the Gas Mine, I wonder why they didn't do the same for the Flood-infected Elites
terse lava
I think I recognize the name but not sure atm
wet pollen
We talked for about one minute like six months ago lmao.
terse lava
I assume they didn't because it would be a whole new model to texture and make that would be used for only 1 level
Ah
The heretics meanwhile had 2 levels dedicated to them
wet pollen
MJOLNIR is powered by a nuclear reactor, right?
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
The Armor mostly lifts itself
wet pollen
Oh.
stable flower
Makes sense. Due to the game's choppy (for a lack of better word) development, they needed to save time.
wet pollen
Yeah.
terse lava
Yeah, it reacts more to the thoughts of the spartan
wet pollen
I wonder what would happen if it stopped receiving power.
gilded mason
It'd be heavy prison
terse lava
It could still be moved by a spartan just with great difficulty
humble yacht
They wouldn’t be sprinting
wet pollen
But if the armor lifts itself, why can't it run.
stable flower
I wish the heretics had more units, like some Hunters (which, according to one of Bungie's devs, the group was to be made up of)
I'd say Jackals too but we already know why they didn't have them.
terse lava
I doubt that one Sangheili carried out his threat of "gassing them all in the mists below"
He was told by Spark not too
stable flower
Anyways, I guess the Jackals are the explanation for the random weaponry lying around the Gas Mine
nocturne owl
I found out that Spartan mjolnir armour has some self-destruct fail safe.
I wonder if there is a countdown timer? Also I wonder if there is safeguards to prevent accidental self-destruct
tranquil valve
Is the commando rifle a traditional configuration and not a bullpup because misriah didn’t make it?
opal flame
guys i want make a halo warthog.. and telsa is stealing my idea should i sue
junior dome
@opal flame what?
unique rune
I... fail to see how Tesla would be stealing your idea.
And I don’t think you’d be in a very good position to sue considering the design of the Warthog is 343’s intellectual property...
nocturne owl
maybe he's making a warthog that is similar in design but not the same as 343's
unique rune
I’m pretty sure that still wouldn’t fly in a legal sense
humble yacht
I think you guys just got drawn into their nonsense
nocturne owl
Well, i wanted in on the fun.
so like I was saying, maybe whatever he's designing wouldn't be called a warthog
unique rune
Even if you didn’t call it a Warthog, but the design was blatantly near identical, I’m still pretty sure that wouldn’t work.
grand iris
Is there any detail on how many suits of SPI or enhanced SPI equals to a single suit of Mjolnir?
price i mean
humble yacht
If you can find the cost of a single SPI suit, you could probably calculate that yourself
unique rune
Doesn’t look like the cost of any variation of SPI has been stated, judging by the info on Halopedia.
spiral jewel
I don't know why but I feel like at some point in the timeline, something is going to happen to where the Created will end up with their backs pushed back against a metaphorical wall and the Guardians are rendered OOS and there isn't anyone that can help them, as the UNSC, SoS, keepers of the one freedom (first time mentioning the Kotof), Banished and other groups are preoccupied by something entirely different , but in a similar situation as well.
opal flame
Guys i want to start the UNSC... Can you guys be a part of my space army...
We will make spartans a reality.
covert temple
So it’s me shreyas on my phone but yea, so I have a really good design plan
stable flower
Are there gonna be neo-commies and neo-fascists to start off fighting?
covert temple
And aaron greenfield liked my post talking about this;:)
No we will be like a exploration defense group: to maintain law in free space
Fighting space pirates and protecting trading routs in deep space
And around the fleet coms reach
I need to start this already I been on Twitter trying to hype people up about this but I feel like obviously a video game is t going to be take. Serious but I promise even the navy seals will wish. They were as good as us. And then they will see
Sorry Aaron Greenberg from xbox liked my post on Twitter. We need a bigger movement if anyone wants to join... please follow me and like and retweet lol so we can make it happen. @shell ponda_the_ace is my Twitter handle. Should say slayer.
shell pond
Did someone ping me 😳
versed helm
Did someone ping me 😳
No, rtb
wet pollen
Guys, guys.
I've been thinking a bit about this and uh
I probably have no idea of what I'm talking about but maybe MJOLNIR's shields ionize stuff and use the electromagnetic field to then repel anything that comes close?
Like, I don't actually know if you can ionize anything, like wood or a piece of plastic, but it would also explain why plasma depletes your shields so quickly.
wait no
that doesn't make any sense
Shields should be incredibly effective against plasma.
okay nevermind i'm stupid
fresh hamlet
Would actually mean that bullets should be way more effective against shields because they travel at such a high velocity that your shield would need to “ionize” the bullet in a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second.
fresh hamlet
Also then theoretically we should just be doing damage to things by standing close to them.
wet pollen
If the shields activate.
fresh hamlet
I don’t see a good reason why it wouldn’t do that.
And by the canon, your shields are always up as long as they’re not depleted
fresh hamlet
Also wouldn’t explain why shields work against weapons that deal damage through light
Ie splaser, beam rifle, focus rifle, etc
Light rifle
What would hot air solve?
wet pollen
What even is hard light.
wet pollen
What would hot air solve?
In that case, your shields would be plasma.
fresh hamlet
I think it’s probably a bit too convoluted to give a good explanation on how they work
Plasma still runs into all the other issues I mentioned
After a quick google, the only canon explanation is that the shields are made of specific particles that are good at absorbing energy
Which I think should explain most of the above
Only issue is that flood infection forms somehow blow up on contact with them
When really all that should happen if this is the case is that they just bounce off your shield
cerulean heath
Hey ! I have doubt . In Discover Hope Trailer (2019) when chief boots up we see the last date modified was 09.19.2561 and in the campaign demo the story starts on 28th May 2560. How? The Pelican Pilot found him in 2561 and in the campaign demo it was 2560.
Do the pilot and chief have a Time machine to go back in 2560? xD
Or it was just an error
fresh hamlet
We have no idea at the moment
wet pollen
_ _
cerulean heath
In campaign demo the pilot tells that he saved master chief and talks about that. (28th May 2560) but he actually founds him in 2561 in Discover Hope Trailer
There might be some error by 343
I think
fresh hamlet
We don’t know that he first finds him in Discover Hope, and it seems like Chief knows the guy already so it’s likely not the first time they met
cerulean heath
Maybe this is possible
But I think in Campaign Demo the conversation between chief and pilot disapproves your statement
You should see once again
fresh hamlet
What lines specifically
cerulean heath
We don’t know that he *first* finds him in Discover Hope, and it seems like Chie...
This
fresh hamlet
You said the conversation between Chief and the pilot disproves me though
Can you tell me what exactly they say that does this?
cerulean heath
Can you tell me what exactly they say that does this?
They speak about the 2019 trailer incident
And that year was 2561
carmine sleet
Discover Hope isn't the start of the game.
Incorrect, Discover Hope is the start of the game, even said so by 343i
cerulean heath
Give me quotes
Can you see the campaign demo again...you will understand
carmine sleet
Hey ! I have doubt . In Discover Hope Trailer (2019) when chief boots up we see ...
Not an error, they changed the date between Discover Hope and the demo
cerulean heath
And why?
carmine sleet
Basically, this kind of stuff happens all the time in games where they give a date in one trailer for when something is set, then in a newer one, it's a different date
carmine sleet
Your english is fine
fresh hamlet
343 are pretty focused when it comes to consistency and explanation of events in main games compared to bungie anyways. I don’t think they’d ship with that glaring of an inconsistency.
wet pollen
Incorrect, Discover Hope is the start of the game, even said so by 343i
Bruh.
I got confused with the campaign demo.
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
carmine sleet
Turn it off then, it gets annoying
fresh hamlet
Not sure it’s a setting but yeah
wet pollen
I love the Discord community.
peak fossil
Nah this is just the halo community
Not all of discord is like this
This place is toxic lmao
carmine sleet
Not sure it’s a setting but yeah
fresh hamlet
Ah
versed helm
This place is toxic lmao
That certainly seems to be the case at times.
tough violet
Slipstream does not care to be tagged, and thars okay. Just respect their rule, but accidents do happens and sometimes I still mistakenly tag them.
versed helm
I wonder if we'll ever see electrically powered Warthogs.
stable flower
This place is toxic lmao
That's an understatement.
peak fossil
True
fair hazel
Uh.
opal flame
okay nevermind i'm stupid
Imagine having a shield that can take u through the sun.
wet pollen
Uh.
terse lava
Rather silly
formal path
Japanese Imperial
fair hazel
You know what's funny? The thing about shadows of reach is like, don't use the nukes! and then noble team is like... we dont have nukes!
humble yacht
How is that funny
fair hazel
they had nukes the whole time
cedar surge
Oh yea now that u think about it
Where did they get those
Maybe brought it with them when they came to recolonize
humble yacht
Doubtful
They might have been salvaged from downed ships or additional nukes came with the UNSC reinforcements that were en route to reach
fair hazel
stockpiles
the idea that the unsc doesnt have nukes on reach and the whole premise thing was terrible
i simpy think they were not authoriuzed
main hill
Remember when the Brutes were trying to take nukes from Cuba
I thought it was really funny because it was like reverse Cuban Missile Crisis
noble fjord
ok honest question I never considered... how on earth did the home defense fleet even hold off the covenant for as long as they did in Halo 2-3
normal shard
I mean, consider what was left of the covenant fleet attacking Earth, towards the beginning of Halo 2. Then consider what they had. It was a pretty even thing. Covenant probably had a couple ships left until Regret jumped, and from there, no reinforcements were sent until Truth showed up. (I could be wrong, but pretty sure that's what happened. Sorry if I am)
stable flower
Hint: "That MAC gun could put a round clean through a Covenant capital ship."
restive hornet
So we know the last precursor turned to dust in the Cryptum (I think, or it’s the Primordium) but aren’t they supposed to be able to reform? We also have Chips Dubbo who some how survived the destruction of installation 04? (Please note that this is a very funny theory, only made to make you chuckle and maybe add a bit of ridicule to it, being only theoretically possible.)
versed helm
Who was Halo’s Rasputin
carmine sleet
You mean the Russian or the AI from Destiny?
versed helm
No, the guy
The man was so fascinating. It annoys me when people only discuss fictional characters named after him — what about the real thing?
He’s just as weird as the scifi character filter
So anyway, Halo’s version
A man who wrestled a Spartan after being shot five times, blessed with Reclaimer blood
versed helm
Hello, Web.
versed helm
Chuf
strong sage
Anyone knows where spartans stored their mags? Im really curious about that part lol
versed helm
@strong sage some are stored in the cuisse (thigh armor) of the suit, where submachine guns can be stored as well
strong sage
Wait whaaaaaaaaaaaa dayyummmm
What about the case of 50 cal sniper mag etc
Its the same as well?
carmine sleet
Watch Halo Legends: The Package to see Chief retrieving ammo from his suit's cuisse
versed helm
What about the case of 50 cal sniper mag etc
Sure, maybe
Halo’s sniper is a little above .50 cal, though
I think around 45 percent bigger
main hill
<@247240972986089472> some are stored in the cuisse (thigh armor) of the suit, w...
They got thick thighs
The Halo Sniper rifle is chambered in 14.5mm, which is considerably larger than 50.cal
versed helm
They got thick thighs
I thought the same thing
Interesting, a real 14.5mm sniper rifle weighs 22 kilograms (49 lb) and is 1.85 metres (6.1 ft) long
that sniper rifle is as tall as me lol that's crazy
Why is that interesting
Oh
Yeah that’s interesting
presumably the Halo 14.5mm is more advanced than a real world counterpart
It really is
Good lord
Yeah look, the real thing is very close to the Halo sniper
6 ft long
Running around with a 22KG sniper by your hip
I think even using it as a bludgeon would be useless IRL
Wayyy to slow
main hill
I’m pretty sure the real life version fires 20mm
Yeah the Denel NTW-20 can be chambered in 20mm or 14.5mm
Honestly I’m surprised the UNSC never thought of making the Warthog turret chambered in 14.5mm
Cuz there are machine guns in real life chambered in 14.5mm
versed helm
the actual sound of it firing and reloaded is VERY similar to the Halo CE / Halo 2 SFX
haha
The comments on that video are all Halo related lmao
silver basin
Interesting, a real 14.5mm sniper rifle weighs 22 kilograms (49 lb) and is 1.85 ...
Imagine unaugmented marines shouldering that rifle for more than 5 seconds
without bipod support
fresh hamlet
Yeah a lot of the unsc’s tech is outdated
main hill
Lmao
main hill
Why didn’t they keep the automated turret on the Elephant?
crude idol
What do you guys think the chances are that we see more Forerunners in-game at some point? When the original trilogy finished I was really psyched that we were finally moving into Forerunner territory with Halo 4 but I'm worried that the Didact and Librarian are the only two actual Forerunners that we're going to encounter. I always hoped that the Forerunners would eventually be new enemies or allies, way back in the day.
gilded mason
Yeah, the time it's set becomes fairly obvious during the first cutscene.
gilded mason
Yes. You can see part of a Halo 2 cutscene during ODST, which shows when it is set.
gilded mason
Brutes took over Earth-based operations after Regret left Earth, which was near the beginning of Halo 2.
gilded mason
I've never heard anyone say it
stable flower
Their armor just flares like energy shielding for some reason
gilded mason
Yeah, doesn't recharge or anything
unique crater
Nice
versed helm
What do you guys think the chances are that we see more Forerunners in-game at s...
Biological forerunners or just the military technology + AI they left behind (such as Prometheans?) I'm not actually sure how many living Forerunners remain in the galaxy
My guess is 0 now that we grenad'ed + quadruple composed the Didact
😢
opal birch
Honestly I’m surprised the UNSC never thought of making the Warthog turret chamb...
Mostly cause it's not really necessary, a .50 cal is deadly already, a .50 cal Gatling gun is more than enough dakka for a standard MG hog. Also a bigger round means less ammo you can carry to the fight.
One thing that still bugs me is that the UNSC is able to make Gauss cannons and railguns small enough to mount on vehicles, but the scorpion is still using a conventional tank gun with conventional gun propellant and on top of that, it uses a round size that's considered more suitable for a light tank nowadays
stable flower
What bugs me is that the UNSC lacks their own energy shielding and instead relies on reverse-engineering. Are you telling me science hasn't advanced for humanity by the 26th-century?
gilded mason
Energy shielding is a bit of a huge jump
versed helm
What bugs me is that the UNSC lacks their own energy shielding and instead relie...
They probably couldn't get the various nations of humanity to agree on the science and we just stopped progressing. Ha
gilded mason
Though anyway, everything is first done in the service of gameplay, with lore justifications thought of afterwards.
stable flower
Yep. Ballistic weapons for humans and energy weapons for the aliens.
opal birch
and reverse engineering tech you acquired from adversaries is common anyway
main hill
One thing that still bugs me is that the UNSC is able to make Gauss cannons and ...
Well the thing with rail guns is that it would take a lot more pace to attach the necessary tech to make the cannon a gauss cannon, that’s probably why the Hannibal Scorpion ops for a laser weapon rather than a gauss weapon
crude idol
@versed helm Actual Forerunners. I always hoped that they were alive in a Dyson Sphere somewhere or something like that.
opal birch
the US Navy is already testing a railgun prototype now, the material science and engineering should have advanced enough in 5 centuries
main hill
Technically speaking, the closest a marine can get to matching a Spartan atleast in terms of strength is in a Cyclops
main hill
the US Navy is already testing a railgun prototype now, the material science and...
You forget that Humanity didn’t feel a need to advance in weaponry that much during the 5 centuries leading up to the Human-Covenant
stable flower
Technically three and a half but yeah
opal birch
then Humanity is kinda dumb in Halo
stable flower
Yeah
opal birch
especially if the wars Humanity had before the UEG formed didn't cause any sort of tech and weapons development
versed helm
then Humanity is kinda dumb in Halo
Real life humanity is dumb overall, we fight over stupid stuff and can't come together
See, politics, geopolitics, international relations, greed, etc
And our technological progress suffers because of it
I guess SanShyuum, Sangheili, and other Halo races all have politics and disagreements internally though, even the Forerunners had that too
opal birch
the rapid technological progress of the last 2 centuries was heavily a result of wars and geopolitical rivalries
versed helm
Yeah, sometimes it works in our favor, but other times we wipe out centuries of progress with wars and conflicts
That's what the Brutes did to themselves
opal birch
the backsliding Humanity did in some areas was after the collapse of the Roman Empire and even then that was just Europe, other parts of the world were doing just fine and still progressing
stable flower
especially if the wars Humanity had before the UEG formed didn't cause any sort ...
cough Friedens and Koslovics cough