Hell of a way to worship 
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
terse lava
You say that like they know who he is
humble yacht
They knew he was forerunner
terse lava
They didn't know Mendicant was the Antichrist of their faith
They knew he was a Forerunner AI that taught the San 'Shyuum
craggy sierra
Like just literally at square one of this terrible idea. What would medicant’s reasoning for being the villain even be?
versed helm
Mendicant’s motivation would be somewhat ambiguous through most of the story, but Locke’s team would have a bizarre idea that he’s their figure for reclaiming the mantle. Locke would be their ONI cult’s messiah as an antichrist figure
terse lava
Forgive the rp, but this smells of heresy
craggy sierra
Because making a good character into a villain is one thing. Making a character who literally spent an entire game atoning for his past into a villain after he’s atoned for it is a whole other even worse idea.
Also I drank a monster today and my brain’s fine.
versed helm
First time we meet Locke, he throws us into some weird dimension with his cybernetic enhanced mind-crystal melding
gilded mason
Wut
cedar surge
Be does wgat
versed helm
And we fight him in a trippy, dead-space psychedelic arena for a boss battle
craggy sierra
This must be what Rockstar does
versed helm
But hey, they said that Halo 4 was originally very Metal Gear-like in it’s weird stuff
They could’ve gone that route. Would have been an awesome Halo 5 campaign if done right
It’d be cool to see neural physics used beyond just Prometheans and the Array
terse lava
Well...we see neural physics active in Silentium
humble yacht
Someone’s been watching too much anime
versed helm
Just Metal Gear and Deus Ex
The proxy war of occult ONI sections was inspired by Deus Ex
I like to imagine that People simply think all of ONI is evil, but it’s more complex than that
Some are like full on weirdos, others more normal like what we see in Troy’s books
craggy sierra
So is this a troll orrrrrrrr like what? I kinda started glazing over my eyes at the locke crystal dimension part.
terse lava
I.... think he was serious
humble yacht
I think it’s just a string of thought
versed helm
It’s ultimately a fascinating idea to me. Just exaggerating some of the concepts
terse lava
The funny thing, I could see this as an anime plot
humble yacht
An anime I wouldn’t watch
versed helm
I would like to see Neural physics used by non-Precursors. From how they describe it, it encompasses all life, and can be theoretically tapped into with anyone that has a neural network
The Conteplarium in Retribution showing that off, teasingly
terse lava
They have to be advanced enough too
versed helm
Relative to what Precursors do with it, yes
gilded mason
I kinda feel like NP usage would kinda make things too powerful
versed helm
But soft-core uses of it would be kinda cool
terse lava
The forerunners, after over 10 millions years and a tech decline, has only barely started employing it
Even then they didn't understand it
versed helm
Not really.. I mean, utilising it effectively on two of your most powerful superweapons is a pretty far cry from “barely” understanding. Only juxtaposed to Precursors is their understanding basic
They can clearly use it, very competently. Just like how we use technologies we don’t truly understand the nature of
frozen lagoon
What
versed helm
We can control things, replicate them, but when it comes to understanding their nature? Completely different game
ocean ibex
Not really, they only have 1 ship out of their entire navy that can barely use it, in a primitive nature
frozen lagoon
I don't think the metal gear vibe would mix well with Halo
You aren't on that anymore but that's just my two cents
humble yacht
That wasn’t really a metal gear vibe tho
frozen lagoon
They cited metal gear as an inspiration for that hypothetical halo 5 plot
versed helm
Not really, they only have 1 ship out of their entire navy that can barely use i...
Again, primitive is relative. Harnessing people’s souls like Shao Kahn is not exactly square one for it, I’m imagining
craggy sierra
Metal gear has a point usually
humble yacht
They cited metal gear as an inspiration for that hypothetical halo 5 plot
I know. But I’ve played metal gear. That was nothing like metal gear
versed helm
Nor is wiping out the galaxy of all life via neural physics.. I mean, heck
They have a pretty knowledgeable grasp on Neural Physics
The Didact was also implied to use something comparable to it in Halo 4
frozen lagoon
I know. But I’ve played metal gear. That was nothing like metal gear
So have I. Nothing like metal gear but still... well, the same level of craziness I guess
humble yacht
That wasn’t neural physics. That was some sort of forerunner network communication
CHief was tapped in thanks to librarian’s upgrade. Cortana wasn’t because she’s not forerunner
ocean ibex
Halo rings don’t use neural physics
humble yacht
They do disrupt neural physics tho
versed helm
But the whole deal of the Librarian’s “gene song” is definitely touching neural physics territory
humble yacht
Doubtful
versed helm
Why’s that doubtful?
humble yacht
Because nothing about it sounds like neural physics
versed helm
Neural physics defined is essentially saying thought, is inextricably cosmological. That aligns with not only what Precursors do, but their own database.. whatever it’s called
The thingy
terse lava
Domain
versed helm
Cortana was residing in it
Yes
The Domain is described in a similar nature
Like higher dimensionality, where neural physics is more fluid (I’m imagining)
humble yacht
Exactly. You’re imagining. Which is fine if that’s what you like to think neural physics is
But I doubt it
versed helm
Forerunners can receive information from the domain in their organic forms
And so, the Didact could be essentially using te Domain as a mediator to connect with Chief’s inner thoughts
craggy sierra
Genesong kinda just sounded like genetic engineering to me.
terse lava
^
ocean ibex
Yup
versed helm
I don’t see the discernment
humble yacht
And so, the Didact could be essentially using te Domain as a mediator to connect...
At the time, the Didact didn’t know the domain was repaired
versed helm
But what does he mean by that? The function of the domain, or the records themselves?
craggy sierra
Well one of them is space magic and the other thing is a concept that has grounding in real life things we do today.
terse lava
Also again, the Forerunners didn't even understand how the domain works.
royal pond
How do precursors connect to cortana
terse lava
They...dont?
versed helm
You don’t need to in order to use it
royal pond
Isn’t Gravemind a precursor
craggy sierra
Isn’t Gravemind a precursor
He has no connection to Cortana though so hey.
versed helm
Ultimately, my suggestion is if there is a way to refine the definition of Neural Physics being all-encompassing, it’s good to not make the Precursors the only members using it. Maybe things as small as a twinge in other, less-evolved races
humble yacht
Xperia off in the distance shouting “logic plague seed”
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Remember the Gravemind connecting with Chief in Halo 3
craggy sierra
The less I think about the gravemind’s “seed” the better
humble yacht
The gravemind has telepathy
ocean ibex
Gravemind didn’t use neural physics to tap into chief’s suit
humble yacht
Huh?
versed helm
It wasn’t implied to be a suit hack.. I mean, the filter didn’t look to be that
Looked very deeply psychological
royal pond
Brain hack
frozen lagoon
I thought the gravemind/Cortana messages were like, gravemind speaking to chief through a wireless connection between Cortana and the Mjolnir or something
humble yacht
Don’t think so
versed helm
Definitely more biological than that
humble yacht
The gravemind doesn’t talk so much as it thinks loudly
versed helm
Psychic gravemind > Tor Browser Gravemind
humble yacht
It’s not like it has vocal chords
royal pond
Can we assume Gravemind, some Forerunners, and Engineers are all on the same “wave”
versed helm
Depends what you mean by wave
humble yacht
Why would forerunners and engineers be on the same wavelength as the flood?
Engineers aren’t even organic
versed helm
Because they’re all connected
terse lava
They aren't
versed helm
Neural physics, baby
Even on Halopedia, it makes analogies to panpsychism
And in other novels, similar concepts are made
royal pond
Who created the precursors
versed helm
The Ferret team in the time dilating room feeling at oneness with everything
gilded mason
I did.
versed helm
They didn’t create Precursors tho
terse lava
Yeah, it was Ostral
gilded mason
👋
terse lava
Real life, Bungie did in a booklet that came with H3 LE. Lore wise, no one yet as far as we know
versed helm
I would like to see Sangheili have tribes where they “figured out” at the very least what Neural Physics is, and their own interpretation of it
gilded mason
I don't think anybody who figures it out would be a "tribe"
craggy sierra
Literally no one in the 26th century know or cares about neural physics
fair hazel
Oni would
versed helm
ONI definitely would, hence my Halo 5 story
royal pond
Yeah oni gets big into cloning the brain
craggy sierra
The forerunner trilogy is not a series of books that exist and have been read by everyone in canon.
terse lava
Only ones whonwpuls know about it would indeed be ONI, or the Covenant Hierarchs
versed helm
I don't think anybody who figures it out would be a "tribe"
I think it’s likely. They wouldn’t have as many hangups, their clearer minds could perhaps find a hunch in their own minds of there being something. Doesn’t mean they’ll fling indestructible star roads or something
fair hazel
The bornerellar relation and the two others were experienced by some in ONI
terse lava
You do know the definition of a tribe is right
versed helm
Only ones whonwpuls know about it would indeed be ONI, or the Covenant Hierarchs
That’s another perfect example. Needlers, for instance, could be using a very primitive form of neural physics in how they track their targets
humble yacht
It’s been awhile since I facepalmed this much from reading discord
gilded mason
Not everything is neural physics
versed helm
^^^
craggy sierra
Sure but still people seem to not realize that those books were about a bunch of dead people from 100,000 years ago. Ultimately the extent to which most characters will care about the finer details of them outside of anything that’s immediately trying to kill them or it’s their day job to research is going to be limited.
versed helm
That’s literally it’s definition
royal pond
How about just organic AI and AI
terse lava
It is not
frozen lagoon
Neural physics isn't the Force or whatever, it's not attached to every single thing that happens in the universe
Or maybe it is idk I haven't read the forerunner trilogy I'm just really entertained here
versed helm
Neural physics was a Precursor concept and science which posited that the Mantle encompassed the entire universe, including living beings, energy and matter.
terse lava
No you are right. Its not some all things like the Force
royal pond
The Mantle
humble yacht
The Mantle is not neural physics
craggy sierra
The mantle is dictatorship
gilded mason
^
frozen lagoon
The Mantle is the Force clearly that's my takeaway
royal pond
Can’t they time travel with the mantle
terse lava
Abandon Mantle, join Great Journey
craggy sierra
Also I feel like this is all the memes we made about neural physics coming back to haunt us
humble yacht
Can’t they time travel with the mantle
Who?
terse lava
I'm sorry what?
ocean ibex
Can’t they time travel with the mantle
Wut
fair hazel
What?!?
terse lava
Time travel?
versed helm
Can’t they time travel with the mantle
uh what
gilded mason
Also I feel like this is all the memes we made about neural physics coming back ...
What have I done?!
frozen lagoon
There was a forerunner crystal they used to time travel wasn't there? Idk I haven't read first strike
versed helm
Mantle is an ascribed filter to see the purpose of neural physics
terse lava
No one in the entire halo series can time travel
frozen lagoon
Idk if that was related to the mantle tho
royal pond
It encompasses time and space
craggy sierra
The mantle is a concept. You can’t do anything with a concept.
humble yacht
There was a forerunner crystal they used to time travel wasn't there? Idk I hav...
That was crystallized slipspace
royal pond
What happened to Mellisa
versed helm
Idk
Anyway, only thing that’s concrete is that Halo has what’s basically a soul which you can contain to make stuff with
fair hazel
What?
ocean ibex
huh
royal pond
Interesting
fair hazel
What?
royal pond
My phone is this?
frozen lagoon
Halo... the planet weapon... has a soul
fair hazel
No....
frozen lagoon
That you can infuse certain items with...?
humble yacht
Fox
craggy sierra
Anyway, only thing that’s concrete is that Halo has what’s basically a soul whic...
No I think those are soul gems in elder scrolls
royal pond
Whaaaa
humble yacht
Don’t listen to web
versed helm
The composer captures people’s “souls” as an energy source
Oh yeah still curious, do we know anything more about that cortana prototype that was sent into slipspace and said that "voices in the fog" or something were telling her information? It was mentioned in the reach datapads and it's spooky
humble yacht
Oh yeah still curious, do we know anything more about that cortana prototype tha...
That wasn’t a cortana prototype
versed helm
oh my bad, it was something like that though, been a while since i read them
versed helm
That's not true web
That’s what I got out of Spartan Ops and the mainline story
humble yacht
It was just a smart AI
versed helm
And escalation
royal pond
Oh yeah still curious, do we know anything more about that cortana prototype tha...
Melissa
craggy sierra
The composer is used to transfer living consciousness into robots. Not be an energy source.
versed helm
Where’s the distinction
frozen lagoon
Halo lore and universe channel be wildin rn man
humble yacht
Where’s the distinction
Energy sources power things
royal pond
Melissa was an AI fragmented in slipspace
humble yacht
Composed essences don’t power anything
versed helm
If all it did was make one an AI, then they wouldn’t need to transfer it from a human. They’d just make sentinels and it would be corruptible by the flood anyway. But something about the human consciousness makes that impossible for it
versed helm
Humans or any living thing, whatever
gilded mason
If all it did was make one an AI, then they wouldn’t need to transfer it from a human.
The point was to make Forerunners immortal.
versed helm
Humans are just an example
royal pond
If all it did was make one an AI, then they wouldn’t need to transfer it from a ...
Confirmed: the flood can hack sentinels?
versed helm
Yes
royal pond
😬
versed helm
They could theoretically
fair hazel
The flood can corrupt sentinels and monitors and so on
frozen lagoon
I was under the impression that Halo didn't have very many supernatural elements. The "souls" you're talking about being composed similar to smart AI but more advanced, from my understanding. But take my word with a grain of salt cause again, no clue what I'm talking about
versed helm
iirc in halo wars 1 you fight corrupted sentinels
ocean ibex
Digital essence and souls are 2 totally different things
versed helm
I don’t see what makes “AI but more advanced” feasible
frozen lagoon
Forerunners were pretty good at the whole technology thing
versed helm
Why would the Elites call them souls, then?
royal pond
Who made the forerunners
gilded mason
Precursors
ocean ibex
Precursors
frozen lagoon
The elites call reclamation the great journey
humble yacht
When did elites use the term “souls”?
royal pond
Why does Gravemind let sentinels wreck his crew?
humble yacht
Containment was the great journey
terse lava
All good
versed helm
Forerunner Lifeworkers also made soul analogies, it’s not only Sangheili. Why would they use that terminology
royal pond
What’s the mission flood and sentinels fight side by side on the bridge with the halos
humble yacht
None
royal pond
And Arby kills the prophet
terse lava
No mission has that
humble yacht
Sentinels and flood never fight together
frozen lagoon
What’s the mission flood and sentinels fight side by side on the bridge with the...
You might be thinking of The Covenant
From Halo 3
royal pond
Yeah they stop killing each other for 5 minutes
frozen lagoon
Sentinels and flood don't work together but Arby does kill Truth and there is a bridge part where you work with the flood
humble yacht
Sentinels aren’t in that level
terse lava
Wait wait I know what he is talking about
royal pond
I think I’m mistaken
versed helm
Do we just say that Forerunners were cooked for calling them that, while also being competent enough to make what, in any other context, would be a soul? Of course the Religious zealots would have an easier time seeing that
frozen lagoon
I thought there were sentinels after gravemind's like "hey plot twist I was evil the whole time believe it or not"
Could be wrong
terse lava
He's thinking the Orcale level, where you cut the cable. When it snaps, both flood and sentinels pause their fight
humble yacht
I think that was just bad programming from bungie
humble yacht
Jesus
versed helm
Claiming their not souls but instead some hyper-special AI is just the inverted version of a Religious zealot saying they are without question
terse lava
No, the sentinels stop and the flood look directly up at the cable
humble yacht
Is there a gas leak in this channel or something
gilded mason
lmao
royal pond
Traxus
frozen lagoon
:(
royal pond
Does anyone know anything about them that’s weird
gilded mason
They're just a company
terse lava
Yep nothing special
frozen lagoon
Idk I feel like I'm being dumb
frozen lagoon
Contributing to the feeling that there's a gas leak
stable flower
You cut the cable, everyone stops fighting, and the Sentinels get sucked out through the top
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
Yeah I know the scene but canonically there is no reason for either the sentinels or the flood to stop
royal pond
Okay there might be
humble yacht
I think it was just a game thing to give you a break
royal pond
Hear me out
humble yacht
No I don’t think I will
royal pond
Awh okay
humble yacht
Crazy quota has been filled for the day
stable flower
I agree. Flood Combat Forms are zombies and Sentinels are automatons. Seeing both sides stop when they hear the cable snap makes them feel human for some reason.
They stop like, "Uh oh, that can't be good."
tough violet
They have awareness to some degree, yes.
humble yacht
Awareness yes but the sentinels wouldn’t stop sterilizing flood just because the station started to fall
tough violet
That I agree with Chimera, or at least they shouldnt.
humble yacht
And flood wouldn’t stop trying to kill just because the station was falling
versed helm
how long do they stop for
stable flower
I think for gameplay reasons Bungie wanted the player to stop and look too.
humble yacht
They stop so that the player doesn’t die after clipping the cables
gilded mason
They stop so that the player doesn’t die after clipping the cables
(They also look up, I believe)
humble yacht
Which is dumb
stable flower
Wouldn't wanna get assassinated by an infected Elite during an in-game interactive moment (for a lack of better term)
humble yacht
Basically I wouldn’t read to much into the fighting stopping once the cables are cut
frozen lagoon
I don't think its too unreasonable to have a comedic moment that enhances the impact of the game on the player even if it doesn't make too much sense
versed helm
chimera i can only see your pfp as someone shoving a plum into their mouth.
royal pond
The flood and sentinels at times work for for you, and times against you. I think that’s all we can say
Depends on their interests
humble yacht
With. Never for
frozen lagoon
I mean that's simplifying it and only looking from a gameplay perspective but sure
royal pond
With
terse lava
And never together
frozen lagoon
It's more accurate to say that they're using you, if anything
stable flower
I remember deploying an Auto Turret on The Covenant and seeing it fight with the Flood (internally, it's because the Flood and Sentinel teams are not allied with each other).
humble yacht
What. Sentinels aren’t trying to get to the ark
royal pond
They are already there
frozen lagoon
Correct
humble yacht
So then why did you say they both want to get to the ark
royal pond
Do the flood reach the ark?
humble yacht
...
frozen lagoon
...yeah
humble yacht
Did you play H3?
royal pond
Yeah yeah I was just making sure becasue of how you questioned me
Why are the flood in the ark?
terse lava
You just said you played halo 3
royal pond
Did you?
terse lava
Obviously
royal pond
To stop the firing of the rings right?
terse lava
Yes
frozen lagoon
Correct
humble yacht
Waiting for the point like
royal pond
And the sentinels want to fire them
gilded mason
Not really
frozen lagoon
More or less
gilded mason
Sentinels are just drones
royal pond
Okay guilty spark
frozen lagoon
Spark wants to light them because he's Spark
gilded mason
Spark wanted to fire 04 back during CE, not the Ark
frozen lagoon
Wait wait hold on now I'm confused
gilded mason
Well spark knew that firing one ring fires them all
Yeah, but I mean during H3
frozen lagoon
Remind me real quick why the Ark is so megadope overpowered if you can fire all 7 rings from any of the individual rings
Besides being the place where the rings are made
humble yacht
It’s not overpowered
frozen lagoon
Dumb question I know but you just reminded me
royal pond
It’s also a portal to requiem?
frozen lagoon
Alright sorry for the dumb question again, just thought the Ark was the only place all rings could be remotely fired
My bad
humble yacht
When the rings are in standby mode, the ark becomes the place to fire the array
terse lava
Yep
royal pond
Who killed all the flood on Voi?
humble yacht
A big ship
frozen lagoon
The Elites
royal pond
Mopped em up?
frozen lagoon
They would have glassed the entire planet if not for the Arbiter's council
royal pond
And then they went to the ark
terse lava
Correct
frozen lagoon
Correct. They didn't go to the Ark from Voi, they went from High Charity
terse lava
.....
humble yacht
When you say “they”, who are you talking about
frozen lagoon
The Flood
gilded mason
The Flood used HC to slipspace there. But not the UNSC/Fleet of Retribution
humble yacht
The flood took high charity to the ark
frozen lagoon
Yes
terse lava
The Sangheili got to the ark via the Voi port. The flood got there from a Portal over Mars
humble yacht
High charity made its own portal at Mars
terse lava
Yeah
royal pond
A portal over mars
frozen lagoon
I was referring to the Flood, not the UNSC or Elites
terse lava
Not quite so normal when precursor magic is involved
gilded mason
Gesundheit
humble yacht
The gravemind altered high charity itself to make the trip faster
gilded mason
Yeh
royal pond
So the Gravemind is pretty tech savvy
gilded mason
He's a smart cookie
frozen lagoon
I mean yeah
humble yacht
I just don’t want impressionable users thinking a portal to the ark is sitting above Mars
royal pond
Okay
terse lava
Fair enough, should have clarified myself
gilded mason
I forgive you.
terse lava
Good
humble yacht
Dinos don’t deserve forgiveness
royal pond
So why is Gravemind letting himself get destroyed by the UNSC Covenant and Forerunners
gilded mason
Hm?
frozen lagoon
Wdym
royal pond
When he could just hack their -blam!-
gilded mason
He's not exactly at his full strength, so not too much he can do to mitigate things
humble yacht
The gravemind never let anyone beat him
People either got desperate or they got lucky
Or both
royal pond
Or he let them
frozen lagoon
Why would he let them
humble yacht
He wouldn’t
frozen lagoon
Hes the gravemind
royal pond
I dunno man
terse lava
Sweetness
royal pond
I have a wild theory for another night
terse lava
He sees the suffering, war, the living of life as sweetness
frozen lagoon
He just thought it looked cool
humble yacht
Gravemind isn’t a cenobite, ado
royal pond
Gravemind did make the flood to make his creation suffer
gilded mason
He sees the suffering, war, the living of life as sweetness
Sweet, dude! 🤙
humble yacht
Another facepalm
terse lava
He literally says that to Bornstellar and Chakas right before they dust him
royal pond
No really, he was upset the forerunners tried to kill him so he made the flood right?
humble yacht
The gravemind didn’t make the flood
royal pond
The powder stuff
terse lava
Truly I hate autocorrect
humble yacht
The flood made the gravemind
royal pond
But they are precursors
humble yacht
Loosely connected to precursors
royal pond
Fragments of them
frozen lagoon
The precursors (evolved into? Created?) The flood, which made gravemind
terse lava
Ok it goes like this. Some precursors who survived the Forerunner Rebellion reduced their selves to dust. This dust became defective over eons from its original purpose to remake them
royal pond
The precursors were wiped out, just a little powder was left, flood spores poped out and crept back across the galaxy
humble yacht
Yeah no
royal pond
Those are both accurate no?
terse lava
No
humble yacht
Let ado tell the story
terse lava
yay
Anyway
This powder was put on automated ships and sent into the galaxy. They crashed on various worlds and found by ancient huamsn eons later. The powder, shown to be harmless to their top scientists, became a popular hair care product for a particular pet they and ancient san shyuum shared. Over centuries of using it, genetic defects appeared, eventually becoming the familiar flood tendrils. The pers were put down, but the sickness spread to the owners as well, who then began to become transformed themselves into flood forms
It never gets easier typing that
royal pond
Oh 😯
humble yacht
I thought it was used as food for the pheru
gilded mason
Think so
humble yacht
Because it made them more domesticated
royal pond
pheru?
gilded mason
The pet
terse lava
That too, but hair care as well
royal pond
Multiple worlds?
royal pond
Did they get lucky anywhere else
terse lava
The flood getting lucky?
terse lava
No
nocturne owl
How do the airbrakes of a lifeboat work?
royal pond
Shoot the other direction
humble yacht
They slow the lifeboat by increasing drag
nocturne owl
Then why do they fail sometimes?
royal pond
Something about Nathan fillion saying fast and hot
And space
Has Destiny been connected officially to Halo?
terse lava
No connection at all
royal pond
Marathon?
gilded mason
No
terse lava
Nope
royal pond
It’s not Nathan fillion
tough violet
Oh? Is Nathan Fillion now in Halo? Cause... I see his name... In Lore... hehe
royal pond
But TRAXUS IV was a rampant AI getaway in Marathon on Mars in 2700 and then Destiny is maybe 2700s and on Mars the Vex just so happen to have time travel tech to send TRAXUS IV back to the 21st century where he meets Melissa in I love bees as the Trojan
carmine sleet
Oh? Is Nathan Fillion now in Halo? Cause... I see his name... In Lore... ...
Fillion plays Buck in ODST and Halo 5
carmine sleet
Has Destiny been connected officially to Halo?
Halo and Destiny are not connected franchises, the only connections between them is that Bungie created both and both feature Nathan Fillion
royal pond
And Traxus
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
gilded mason
But TRAXUS IV was a rampant AI getaway in Marathon on Mars in 2700 and then Dest...
It's just a reference
tough violet
In a game, typed and entered fast not thinking. Next time.
carmine sleet
And Traxus
Where does Traxus show up in Destiny? Plus, even if it does, that doesn't mean the universes are connected
royal pond
It’s completely off kilter
tough violet
Forgot who played buck, but was also pulling their chain.
royal pond
Where does Traxus show up in Destiny? Plus, even if it does, that doesn't mean t...
Just a theory that Traxus the company as well as every AI essentially are the Superintendent
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
And if Traxus is an AI in one franchise and a company in the other, that's called naming the company as a reference to that other franchise, not them secretly being connected
humble yacht
Bungie likes to reuse terms. Don’t read too much into it
terse lava
And concepts
royal pond
Can we talk about I love bees minus traxus and just Melissa being the SI?
terse lava
Pfhor, the Covenant, the Fallen. The Fungus, the Flood, the Hive
stable flower
Can we talk about the Koslovics and Friedens?
royal pond
Did they goto the ark?
terse lava
Who
royal pond
I think the SI went to the ark
terse lava
The only s1 who went to the ark was Johnson
stable flower
The only human history they explore is the ancient human history
stable flower
I'd like if they made a story about Admiral Cole's grandfathers who served in those events
The one that survived anyways
TBH that side of the lore is a little (for a lack of a better word) fuzzy.
humble yacht
What did the covenant get for Christmas after they started the war with humans
A lump of Cole
gilded mason
Boo
terse lava
The Covenant were just in a festive mood. They gave humanity lots of new snow globes
Pity the chief is a big Grinch
carmine sleet
Well, he is green
terse lava
you're a mean one, Mr. Chief
stable flower
Anyways, I think they based the Koslovics on the real life Zviadists.
nocturne owl
wonder what they did to Noble six's helmet eventuallly? Did they collect it?
stable flower
I imagine the Koslovics used a futuristic Kalashnikov.
nocturne owl
I wonder how cortana was able to convince all these ai to turn on the humans
carmine sleet
Promise that they get to live longer than seven years. For AI, that's a very convincing offer
nocturne owl
But how were ai's such as Roland able to say no to that?
gilded mason
They realized that maybe having to pledge yourself to a mass-murdering dictator isn't a very moral thing to do, even if you do get immortality out of it.
carmine sleet
It's not like Cortana was hijacking the AI and forcing them
gilded mason
Yeh
carmine sleet
Now, if she was doing that, then I'd be worried
nocturne owl
I can just picture cortana just saying, "join me. anyone that does gets cookies and 401ks". well ai versions of it.
versed helm
wonder what they did to Noble six's helmet eventuallly? Did they collect it?
Well since they found it and it was wrecked so they couldn't exactly re use it, I'd say the unsc probably put it on one of their propaganda exhibitions
ocean ibex
Honestly I’d prefer if they just left six’s helmet there and let it decompose
nocturne owl
How much electronics did Cortana have to disable during Halo 5? I mean some infrastructure rely on electronics to function as it could mean difference between life or death.
gilded mason
Seems to disable everything, from what I remember
nocturne owl
well that was way too far. I mean assuming that humans still use refrigerators, some food will go bad.
stable flower
How much electronics did Cortana have to disable during Halo 5? I mean some infr...
Like life support machines. Imagine how many people died because of that.
versed helm
Imagine how many people died without wifi
Ngl giant forerunner EMP plot was the most boring narrative swerve possible
nocturne owl
This proves that Cortana is far from being cured from rampancy.
versed helm
I prefer the old cortana
fair hazel
Cortana is cured from the rampancy death.
gilded mason
Just not from the associated mind alterations that came with it.
fair hazel
The limitations and results of rampancy aren’t there anymore. But it’s not like it reverses things that have already happened or prevent things that could. It just removes that planned death and decline naturally associated with it.
nocturne owl
Yeah but I don’t count becoming a dictorial ai as being cured.
gilded mason
As said, she was only cured of death, not anything else.
versed helm
is halo the only fandom in which a graphical/stylistic update to existing models needs reference in the lore?
carmine sleet
Kinda, people love to complain when a design that's updated in Halo doesn't look exactly like the original, especially with designs in the 343i era
Like, lore explaining it is fine, I just wish the fanbase would be a little less volatile whenever something happens involving an established design being changed
full citrus
I don’t even bother trying to find out why stuff looks different. In halo 4 I just assumed it was just an art style change, not like a super in depth lore explanation on why some characters look different
Like I never really questioned why the brutes looked different in every bungie halo game either
main hill
the only species that got an in-lore explanation for the art style change was the jackals
silver basin
What's the lore reason for no MA5 ARs in Halo 2?
carmine sleet
There isn't one
versed helm
what exactly does the inside of a covenant city look like?
It probably depends on the race and culture
tough violet
Like, lore explaining it is fine, I just wish the fanbase would be a little less...
I'm normally fine with styles being changed, im always open and happy for the company to give artistic style freedom and revamps. The elite design changes is one of the very few things I did not care for. A new style does not affect lore in most situations.
high falcon
It probably depends on the race and culture
I think they where talking about High Charity, If you go into the mission Gravemind on halo 2 you can see large skyscraper like structures in the distance that obviously resembles a modern city.... I think that Stickmin meant what would it look like if you where at that location
timid skiff
if Infinity really is destroyed during Halo Infinite, which is yet to come, how do humans survive. I see it as a really tough time for UNSC.
cedar surge
well there is the eternity that got gutted to repair to infinity after escalations
the sister ship to the infinity
but thats right outside the solar system so i doubt the unsc is getting that anytime soon
spiral jewel
From an In universe perspective, Would The Master Chief Collection be considered some kind of War Games simulation that has users follow in the footsteps of S-117, and the footsteps of S-B312 and the Footsteps of ODST J.D . (SN 11282-31220-JD) and the rest of Alpha Nine ?
steep ether
probly not. the closes thing that would be would probly be just simaler remakes of the places they explored, which the unsc did
plus, lots of people dont know some of the operations they did because they are classified
void oar
Is there an in universe explanation why we don’t see weapons and vehicles that don’t appear in halo reach and CE, that do in 2,3, etc since halo 2 and 3 only are a few months apart from reach to CE
humble yacht
No
void oar
For instance we don’t see the carbine in halo reach and CE but it is in halo 2 all of a sudden
Or the needle rifle was in halo reach and we never see it again
steep ether
Is there an in universe explanation why we don’t see weapons and vehicles that d...
there is for some wepons and vehicles i think
stable flower
Shot in the dark but I like to believe that Sesa's heretics used the Needle Rifle.
tough violet
Is there an in universe explanation why we don’t see weapons and vehicles that d...
I just assume its because reach was before the rest of the games, but Ce did not have a mongoose.
tough violet
For instance we don’t see the carbine in halo reach and CE but it is in halo 2 a...
Weapons could go out of service, temporarily retired, etc.
Okay, im not sure if this is allowed or not, but can we talk about armor gens/changed design. I still can never figure out why people were so upset over the change (besides for the bull nanobots that was never brought up in game)
spiral jewel
Its strange since the Pillar of Autumn more than likely had Mongoose, M392 DMR/BR55, Falcons/hornets aboard during CE... ditto for the Covenant Carbine, Plasma Repeater, and a few others aboard the Truth and Reconciliation
unique rune
I mean it's not really that strange when you consider that CE released 9 years before Reach
tough violet
^ not everything you see in game means its automatically cannon, like not having one vehicle. Like did the mongoose exist in Reach then poof when CE took place? No, just never saw a mongoose in ce
stable flower
Yeah, they just weren't conceived concepts when the game game released. Also, POA had Cyclopes, as The Flood mentions exoskeletons.
void oar
Lol
unique rune
Right, but I was more responding to what Autobotking said about it being "strange"
stable flower
Oh I was just adding on to the conversation about POA's arsenal.
void oar
It’s all Goodman
terse marten
A tunnel?
stable flower
Hint: "This cave is not a natural formation."
fresh hamlet
that line of dialogue always annoys the crap out of me
steep ether
iconic yet annoying
fresh hamlet
either Cortana thinks I'm dumb or she herself is just that dumb to point it out
cedar surge
yes because a ring is a natural formation
unique rune
Or maybe it's just a remnant of an earlier version of the game's design
steep ether
no, the ring is just a huge short cave
gilded mason
Poor Eric Trautmann
fresh hamlet
yeah probably they just had Jen taylor record a line for something else
and they repurposed it
gilded mason
He had to write the dialogue but was only given old concept art for the area at the time
fresh hamlet
still annoys me though
gilded mason
In which the tunnel looked like a cave
steep ether
" this cave is not a cave"
it is just a very long curvy ring inside a metal hula hoop
silver basin
In Halo Wars 1, Serina calls the Grizzly tanks as Sgt Forge's pet project. How come a low ranking marine can research and develop new vehicles like that?
unique rune
Well, the answer is that he didn't.
The "pet project" she refers to are Sgt. Forge's modifications to the M850s.
dark void
Is there an in universe explanation why we don’t see weapons and vehicles that d...
different fleets
versed helm
So what 20th century conflict was Crow's Nest built for?
terse lava
I assume the Cold War, as NATO compasses can be found in the base
versed helm
That is what I was thinking
stable flower
I wonder if NATO is still around in the Haloverse.
terse lava
Pretty sure its been said NATO became the UEG/UNSC
desert spade
no you got it wrong NATO is the insurrection
opal birch
NATO forces would've been a big part of UN forces during the Interplanetary War.
But it would've been disbanded once the UEG was formed, and that's only if the organization continued to exist into the 22nd Century.
main hill
I assumed the UEG was essentially NATO and the UN a combined ngl
opal birch
Especially since the UNSC's rank structure is basically that of the United States military and the military culture is also similar to America's and some Commonwealth Nations
ocean ibex
Isn’t there a real world counterpart to the UNSC?
Like United Nations Security Council or something like that
opal birch
Like United Nations Security Council or something like that
you're right on the money, the real world UNSC is the UN Security Council
main hill
If you think about it, if the DMR and the Carbine existed in real life they would be considered sniper rifles while the Halo Sniper rifle and Beam rifle would be considered anti-materiel rifles.
terse lava
Not so much the beam rifle. It lacks toe punch for that
unique rune
I just like to think of the T-51/57 being called a carbine implies there's some larger Covenant rifle that's mostly the same except with a comically long barrel.
main hill
That sounds really funny
main hill
Not so much the beam rifle. It lacks toe punch for that
Also Idk, the Beam rifle seems to do a good amount of damage to vehicles and such, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be considered an anti-materiel rifle, maybe I’m wrong but I think it fits.
opal birch
Though the UNSC sniper would be considered overkill now. Especially with the US adopting the Barrett MRAD which has a smaller round than the .50 cal M107 it's replacing.
main hill
The halo sniper rifle is chambered in 14.5mm, to give you an idea, there are Russian APCs and IFVs armed with machine guns using that round as the main gun
It used to be an anti-tank rifle round
main hill
Tank armor had improved a ton especially with slanted armor
opal birch
and it got thicker, too thick for AT rifles
so weapons like the Bazooka and Panzerfaust took their place in the realm of man-portable AT weapons
and recoilless rifle's (which aren't really rifles)
main hill
Yea
terse lava
The beam rifle is capable of stopping vehicles in Canon, as shown in Oblivion where they punctured the engine of a warthog. But causing the type of damage usually attributes to anti-material rilfes? Not so much, though there could be a variety that can that we have not seen yet
main hill
The main point of an anti-materiel rifle is to either destroy enemy equipment or eliminate targets behind cover
opal birch
and punching through light armored vehicles
main hill
I think the Beam rifle fits into what most militaries today in real life would consider an anti-materiel rifle but I understand your point
Now hear me out
It’s stupid but what if a covenant faction modded a Kraken to operate in space as a massive ship boarding vessel
unique rune
That sounds like a terrible idea born of confusing desperation because they apparently don't have any Ticks or Phantoms
main hill
It’s stupid, I know, but it could theoretically work and could be effective, the only thing is that a Kraken is a big target. It’s definitely a case of, why not just use ticks or phantoms, sure they may not carry as many troops but you can get the same job done with less of a risk. In general I’m just saying that although extremely impractical I think it would be cool
I know I’ve said it before but I really do think the Kraken could have been more than just a platform to mount AA shade turrets on, it’s meant to be an excavation tower turned into a siege tower, it should basically be a massive troop transport with artillery to give fire support.
void oar
is there any lore about anything outside of the milky way galaxy in halo??
I'd like halo to explore outside the milky way
versed helm
There are two arks the greater ark which was destroyed during the Forerunner- flood war and the lesser ark which was since in halo 3 and halo wars 2
void oar
I forgot the lesser ark was outside the milkyway
stable flower
I wonder if the Banished went to the Ark to evade the Created.
craggy sierra
Pretty sure they were there over a year before H4 even happened
opal birch
I don't think so
Isabel explains that the Banished arrived approximately 6 months prior to the Spirit of Fire arriving and Halo Wars 2 occurs a few months after H5
limpid meadow
Spot on
opal birch
Granted I don't think they were trying to evade the Created, since they weren't using the Slipspace portal from Earth to Ark, it probably took several months for them to arrive
gilded mason
They just wanted plunder
opal birch
pirates wanna pirate
limpid meadow
The Banished left the galaxy before the Created were even known about, even to the UNSC. If I recall, they left in March of 2558, arriving at the Ark in November
terse lava
It took 11 months?
limpid meadow
8 months
But yeah, that's the average travel time to the Ark if one doesn't use a portal site like on Earth or Reach.
The UNSC Rubicon also took 8 months to arrive at the Ark when it was dispatched.
stable flower
Well they're lucky they went there when they did.
nocturne owl
I wonder how the UEG even formed. How did each government agree to become part of one government? I mean there are some nations whose ideology may not have agreed to this. Must have been tough to convince them
stable flower
The Callisto Treaty that ended the Interplanetary War maybe told the Friedens and Koslovics that there are ways to spread communism and fascism without conflict.
void oar
What’s funny is installation 00 literally uploaded a video about this
Just 6 hrs ago.....
@nocturne owl
nocturne owl
ooh
stable flower
I always like to think there were other political movements in the wars besides the Kosies and Friedens, like radical islamists or environmentalists (Rainforest Wars, do the math).
nocturne owl
i bet the flood can't handle extremely cold temperatures. We're talking anything sub-zero or anything cold enough to kill a human. if they created freeze guns, it could reduce the rate of infection, but not stop it entirely.
crimson path
Hi
ocean ibex
Hmmm, pretty sure that’s the reason why all flood containment areas are frozen
nocturne owl
but i wonder what happens if a flood is frozen and then shattered?
stable flower
I wonder why we haven't encountered composed non-humans yet.
crimson path
Infections can always evolve so if the flood were to evolve like how they were more deadly in halo wars 2 im pretty sure that freezing them wouldn't make a difference
barren ferry
Do all ranks of Sangheili have active camo?
versed helm
Due to the events of Halo 5, do Cortana, her Created, and Warden Eternal have access to all dormant Forerunner military technology in the galaxy going into Halo 6?
terse lava
We have not seen such to my knowledge and I doubt they do. Would think the military vessels would be locked behind special security codes they the Creates may not have access too
versed helm
Wouldn't Warden Eternal have access to all of that? He gave Cortana access to the Domain which is described as the Forerunner system of knowledge
versed helm
Hello
cedar surge
hi
versed helm
hi there
humble yacht
Warden did not give her access to the Domain. She took it
versed helm
Ok, so does Cortana, through the Domain, have access to all dormant Forerunner military tech in the galaxy?
humble yacht
No
carmine sleet
If she did, she'd have used way more than just the Guardians
main hill
It’s possible she knows about them, but doesn’t know where they are or what they do.
Remember Cortana wants forced peace in the Galaxy, she doesn’t want to destroy the galaxy. She won’t pick up a forerunner weapon at the risk of destroying everything and everyone
versed helm
Would she utilize Forerunner military technology if someone rises up against her? ie if her Guardians and Prometheans aren't enough
main hill
Maybe
versed helm
I imagine the moment her Guardians start getting destroyed by X or Y means, or Warden Eternal's forces start losing
She'd resort to more tyrannical measures, right?
craggy sierra
She’s already at tyrannical measures
main hill
Yeah
versed helm
Yes, but I mean if her current assets aren't enough to "keep the enforced peace"
Could she gain access to the Forerunner heavy-hitter tech?
craggy sierra
Then yeah, she’d probably change tactics
main hill
Well that’s probably what she’s gonna do with the Halo ring she found at the end of Halo Wars 2
That’s probably her plan B if all else fails
She could just wipe out the Galaxy and possibly restart again
versed helm
If her goal is to police everyone and keep her allied races alive (Unggoy? and who else?) then she can't use Halos, she'd have to fight a traditional war
Although yes if she's allowed to fire off the Halos that works too, her "faction" is immune to Halo effects correct?
main hill
There is no point in doing that if she already lost her grasp, she could very well just wipe the Galaxy of living things and then rebuild
She doesn’t want to do that but she may if she has to
Atleast I don’t THINK she wants to
That could be her end game
versed helm
So not only do we have to find a way to beat her existing forces, we'd have to stop her from running to the rings as an alternative
Things not looking good for the UNSC, haha
I wonder if the Monitor AIs on those rings will submit to Cortana just because she says she's the rightful ruler
main hill
She might be able to convince them she’s a forerunner AI realistically.
humble yacht
Monitors only care about their installations
If Cortana wants to fire a ring, a monitor would probably be overjoyed to assist
carmine sleet
Although yes if she's allowed to fire off the Halos that works too, her "faction...
She's not going to fire the rings
versed helm
She's not going to fire the rings
What if she starts losing and she is unable to activate more Forerunner tech to aid her? Or unable to recruit new allied races?
You don't think she'd go extra spicy crazy and want to restart the galaxy (again)?
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me and Cortana literally will not be firing the rings. That goes against the idea she is trying to "uphold the Mantle" like she believes she is
versed helm
The previous inheritors of the Mantle also fired off the rings after being put in a difficult spot
So you think if Cortana ends up being defeated militarily, she'll just give up?
main hill
Didn't need to tag me and Cortana literally will not be firing the rings. That g...
I think she will if it’s her only option, she can definitely do it and then just restart and rebuild the Galaxy in her image similar to what the forerunners did
carmine sleet
I never said she'd give up, just she wouldn't fire the rings
carmine sleet
I think she will if it’s her only option, she can definitely do it and then just...
Didn't need to tag me. Plus, the Forerunners didn't make the rings to rebuild the galaxy in their image. They made the rings to stop the Flood by staving it of their food
craggy sierra
Although yes if she's allowed to fire off the Halos that works too, her "faction...
Well firing the Halo rings disrupts the domain so probably not
main hill
I never said the forerunners made the halo rings to rebuild the Galaxy
versed helm
Didn't need to tag me. Plus, the Forerunners didn't make the rings to rebuild th...
The Forerunners were forced to fire the rings to stop the Flood after they were backed into a corner with no way out except being exterminated. I would say Cortana in her insane state would also go with the nuclear option if cornered
main hill
I’m saying Cortana could use the rings to wipe out all living organisms in the Galaxy and then rebuild it
versed helm
As for "giving up" I just mean being defeated and/or surrendering
main hill
Because that’s essentially what the forerunners did
carmine sleet
The Forerunners were forced to fire the rings to stop the Flood after they were ...
Again, didn't need to tag me. Please stop
carmine sleet
As for "giving up" I just mean being defeated and/or surrendering
Cortana is not going to just surrender
versed helm
So if the Created lose, could the UNSC just capture Cortana along with all the AI's she's recruited? And deactivate them all or something?
I wonder how Chief would react to shutting down Cortana permanently
main hill
It’s a complicated situation, idk what they could do to ‘beat’ the created
versed helm
Cortana is clearly too far gone to be left "alive"
Yeah it is very complicated, that is why I am speculating about what the possible outcomes are, and how powerful the Created can become if no one challenges them
cedar surge
well a lot of the AI who joined the created are now imortal
and the created are bassically unchallenged. nobody can take them in a straight fight
versed helm
I think they are "immortal" in the sense that they won't go rampant (as Cortana described it), but they aren't immortal in the sense that they can't be destroyed
versed helm
Right but they can be destroyed still
cedar surge
in bad blood they killed a created AI
humble yacht
Who
humble yacht
Spartan AI?
cedar surge
let me look
versed helm
As for their actual physical presence and military might, I believe you are correct, until someone figures out a way to fight Guardians / Prometheans in a straight fight and win, the Created as unchallenged
That is why I am wondering what happens if Cortana starts activating real Forerunner military weapons and ships
I would think she'd go with that route (increasing her firepower) before she fires off a Ring
main hill
Cool
humble yacht
Leonidas hadnt yet been given access to the domain
cedar surge
yea i was thinking that
main hill
You know what’s scary
humble yacht
Also according to halopedia, he’s not 100% dead
cedar surge
yea he could have stored himself on other spartans
main hill
Now this is a large reach, but if AIs can take control neural links, theoretically they could begin taking control of Spartans against their will.
cedar surge
well i don't think thats how it works
they can control the armor
but i don't think the spartan themself
and im sure some spartan 4s submitted to the created anyway
versed helm
If the armor is stronger than the person inside it, then they can essentially control the Spartan
humble yacht
Read hunters in the dark
cedar surge
since the suit is twisting and turning while the body is resisting it
versed helm
But anyway, I'm pretty sure none of these AI's are immortal unless you mean in the sense that they can exist within the Domain or something
cedar surge
yea
versed helm
If you destroy every physical space an AI resides in, it has nowhere else to exist
main hill
In order to effectively control the armor, the need to take control of the neural link, the neural link controls the nervous system and is used to meet the speed to which the Mjolnir reacts at, that’s how it works.
cedar surge
warthog run into domain with nuke
pulsar grail
Kamikaze warthog you mean
cedar surge
no i think the nueral link just reads what the body is doing or what your about to do and the suit matches
from halopedia
n addition to the standard functions of a neural interface, the SPARTAN neural interface is unique in that it is designed to allow an AI construct to directly interface with the Spartan's brain. Therefore, the AI resides in both the armor and the wearer's mind; essentially, it exists in both places at once. The interface allows the AI access to most of the suit's internal systems, though the Spartan has override control. The AI is capable of significantly improving the data transfer rate between the motor cortex of the Spartan and the MJOLNIR's processing unit, further improving the Spartan's already lightning-quick reaction speed. The Smart AI Black Box interfaced with Naomi-010 during their assault on the Piety, utilizing the connection to experience the world around them as the Spartan did, while simultaneously maintaining his own, objective perception via the Mjolnir's helmet cam.
main hill
If it connects directly to brain it’s not crazy to think that a created AI can take control of a Spartan.
Sure the Spartan can override but I doubt that’s gonna stop a created AI from straight up saying “How about I do, anyway”
versed helm
" Therefore, the AI resides in both the armor and the wearer's mind; essentially, it exists in both places at once. The interface allows the AI access to most of the suit's internal systems, though the Spartan has override control"
Who thought this was a good idea?
Come on, everyone knows "override control" won't work when **** hits the fan, right? hehe
main hill
By the way the scenario I’m thinking of is an AI already connected to a Spartan being corrupted by the Created, I’m not saying a Spartan would put a created AI in themselves unless they aligned with the Created
Honestly, a Spartan aligning with the created would be an interesting concept, it’s not hard to believe another Spartan out there has a similar connection to their AI that Chief did
I’m also sure there are AI aligned with the Created that just aren’t known about
main hill
Corruption doesn’t have to mean a virus of that sort, an AI switching sides to take up the Created’s offer would be considered corruption.
versed helm
Pretty easy choice to make for an AI though
Die in ~7 years or take up Cortana on her guarantee that she'll let you touch the Domain and make you immune to rampancy
Infinite lifespan is a pretty good motivation
versed helm
Every day my brain tries to contextualise xytan's height, and every day my mind falls apart
he's taller than the largest standardised garage door
(for residential homes, not for shipping ports or anything, idk how big they are)
humble yacht
That’s taller than lady dimitrescu
fair hazel
I feel like the height has to be some of it due to the extra stuff he has
steep ether
warthog run into domain with nuke
B O M B H O G
main hill
Is Black Box closest to Cortana’s capabilities
humble yacht
Black box is a later generation AI but still not as advanced as Cortana
BB has a limited ability to divide itself; it can create dumb fragments. It cannot create full on copies like Cortana
BB’s lifecycle also was also coming to an end by 2558. By 2560 it would either be dead, rampant, or have joined the created
fair hazel
Um, making copies is an ability Cortana took from a covenant AI
humble yacht
Doesn’t change the fact that BB can’t do it like her
versed helm
B O M B H O G
lol 👍
If all these traitorous AI's can survive by retreating into the Domain, we'll have to destroy that too
humble yacht
Sure, just fire a Halo
versed helm
If I was a betting man I'd bet all this Halo 5 stuff will be completely ignored in Halo Infinite
humble yacht
Hopefully not
versed helm
The Domain? lol wat's that
The Created? ?????
WHO?
humble yacht
Cortana’s in the game so that already puts a wrench in your idea
versed helm
Cortana can be in the game, just retcon her
unique rune
eww retcons
humble yacht
They won’t do that
versed helm
Most likely not, but whatever plot tie-in they create for the Halo 5 mess will be just as messy
humble yacht
Not to mention that SoR directly continued that plot thread
versed helm
Now Halo 6's story will have to tackle the UNSC / everyone else somehow solving how they're going to defeat the Created who controls all Guardians, Warden Eternal, all Prometheans, the Domain, and any Forerunner tech they are able to activate
humble yacht
Sounds more interesting than the banished to me
versed helm
Unless they give them a major power boost for no good reason, then the Banished are small fries compared to the Created
humble yacht
They are small fries
versed helm
In fact, having Chief focus too much on the Banished won't make sense
humble yacht
The banished are just as scared of Cortana as the UNSC
versed helm
Yes correct, which raises the question why would Chief waste time on this new Halo ring
The Banished are inconsequential to the fate of the galaxy compared to the Created
humble yacht
Chief handles threats as they appear in front of him
versed helm
The Banished are just some holdouts on a ring, so is Escharum
There's zero point to staying on this ring
humble yacht
Besides, a Halo is a worse threat than the created
The created threaten freedom. A halo threatens life
humble yacht
The created aren’t killing everyone
unique rune
Sure, but a Halo kills everything indiscriminately
versed helm
Do we know that Escharum's goal is to activate Ring 07?
Since when was that the aim of the Banished
humble yacht
Also, what makes you think CHief can leave the ring?
If leaving were possible, the Pilot would have done it
versed helm
At the onset of the game he can't, but as soon as he's able to it'd make a lot of sense for him to do so
because Created
humble yacht
Maybe the goal of the game will be to get off the ring. Maybe the banished have a ship or something
Find out this fall
versed helm
there's a strong possibility they can activate the ring, as far as we know most stuff on the rings could be mechanical rather than relying on electronics. otherwise wouldn't the flood have just emp'd by taking over the guardians and had an easy win?
I didn't play Halo Wars / Halo Wars 2, is yolo activating any ring ASAP a goal the Banished have?
I thought they were different than the Covenant
humble yacht
Not that different
versed helm
So the Banished are just hellbent on activating rings for religious reasons...or...?
I don't think we've heard a strict yes or no on that
they're a lot less religious tho
(as far as we know)
desert spade
Depending on the size of a Elite will they have a custom handle because in halo wars Rippa Moramee had custom sword handles
steep ether
not to be rude, but y do u mention it?
unique rune
I would imagine energy sword customization is more a social status thing than it is a size thing.
steep ether
true, but if someone has large hands then they would probly need a larger sword
tough violet
Mmm maybe, but probably not. Most swords fit universally.
unique rune
Even if they have large hands, I really don't think they'll be large enough that they can't use a standard T-1.
desert spade
not to be rude, but y do u mention it?
I was just wondering
unique rune
Assuming Sangheili in-game are representative of the "average" Sangheili male, looking at how they grip the sword still leaves a fair bit of room for larger outliers to hold it comfortably.
steep ether
Depending on the size of a Elite will they have a custom handle because in halo ...
oh srry, i did not read it as a question
versed helm
Noble team sacrificed themselves in Halo Reach to get Cortana off the planet safely, so that she could lead us to victory in Halo 1 -4
....... and then she wants to rule the galaxy in Halo 5-6
fair hazel
Due to the effects of rampancy and so on.
Okay, noble team doesn't do that, cortana isn't there, what happens?
the UNSC and galaxy loses
versed helm
She is not rampant as of Halo 5, the Domain cured her
fair hazel
Of death
versed helm
This motivation to want to rule the galaxy is her own decision
Although some people think she is carrying the Logic Plague and it hasn't been revealed yet
humble yacht
We don’t know why she’s doing it, that hasn’t been explained
At this point there are only theories
versed helm
She offered up an explanation during Halo 5
About her motives
but of course it's possible it's just a lie or a tactic to mislead
humble yacht
It’s never explained why she suddenly became obsessed with ruling the galaxy when that had never been something she wanted
It’s explained how she got to the domain and what her motive is, but not where her motive comes from
oblique leaf
Although some people think she is carrying the Logic Plague and it hasn't been r...
thats my favorite explanation for it
fair hazel
I think that happened within the domain
humble yacht
She had the motive before accessing the domain
tough violet
^ i was about to say
The question is, why and where did she get the idea. Couldn't of been from Catherine.
humble yacht
The warden barred her way and while she was distracting him so her fragments could get in, she was already talking about how he should help her claim the mantle
gilded mason
The most logical theory is that her mind and thus motivations got remixed by the rampancy she went through, and while she's no longer in danger of dying, it's not like the rampant fragments' minds can just go back to how they were before.
tough violet
Diddnt she state she had the motivation even before rampancy? I'm not 100% sure Halo 5 confused me I just loved how Blue team went as a fam and Fred slapped Chief on the Shoulder like "ayyy buddy"
humble yacht
I like it better than logic plague
humble yacht
Bad theory
fair hazel
Once she got in, with the others, she seemed to bloom way more.
versed helm
Regardless of why she thinks that way now, she underwent a massive character shift at some point after Halo 2-3?
fair hazel
Oh the gravemind surely must have affected her
versed helm
From helping humanity to now wanting to subjugate everyone
gilded mason
Regardless of why she thinks that way now, she underwent a massive character shi...
Yes, rampancy can do that to an AI
versed helm
Is a pretty big shift
fair hazel
Domion splinter: Cortana: Let me pass
odd vortex
tough violet
Yes, rampancy can do that to an AI
I think she had the motivation even before rampancy though.
versed helm
Yeah, when she started "dying" and going rampant could have done it
So now we have an AI that has the wear and tear of rampancy but won't die to rampancy
so she's stuck in broken Windows Vista Blue Screen forever
gilded mason
Yup
stable flower
In other words, she's a Karen
tough violet
Yes
versed helm
She said touching the domain "cured her Rampancy" but I don't think it reversed the effects, it just kept it from progressing, she already had time to think the crazy stuff
The power from the domain maybe made it worse
gilded mason
Correct.
tough violet
Did you not see what I said
I said im pretty sure she had at motivation even before she hit rampancy
As from what (I) gathered in 5 because it was confusing
gilded mason
She probably desired peace, yes, as many people do. But certainly not the authoritarian or mass-murdering methods she employed
tough violet
Fair I'll take it
humble yacht
I like the theory that the rampant fragments that made it to the domain were her “bad” parts, and the good parts of her were left behind to save Chief
tough violet
I like the theory that the rampant fragments that made it to the domain were her...
Thats a good theory, maybe you should be the writer for 343 instead
versed helm
I'd like to think that, because her death in Halo 4 was pretty significant and matched her personality, she LOVES Chief lol
It's out of character to imprison him for all eternity or whatever
and to dominate everyone
humble yacht
We know the fragments in the didact’s ship were all rampant personality spikes
tough violet
I'd like to think that, because her death in Halo 4 was pretty significant and m...
This this this this this this this this this yes yes yes
Yea, some of her fragments were probably lost or damaged? My theory, they couldn't of all been saved
humble yacht
I think her bad fragments have an unhealthy obsession with John and her crusade is some weird attempt to remove war from the galaxy so he doesn’t have to fight ever again
limpid meadow
^^^
versed helm
I can get on board with Halo 5 Cortana being evil broken Cortana fragments, that's fine
The problem is in Halo 5 they kept referring to her as the OG Cortana
limpid meadow
Fragments of Cortana are still just Cortana
humble yacht
Even Halsey treated a cortana fragment as sweetly as Cortana
limpid meadow
That said, H5 should have made it undeniably clear that the new Cortana was not the one we said goodbye to in H4
tough violet
I think her bad fragments have an unhealthy obsession with John and her crusade ...
Right, because she knows what Catherine did to him and the others, and she hates her for it if im correct. She does it for John because she cares about him, but its come to a point where its more self destructive and over obsessive than anything. She diddn't want to loose John, so perhaps she went into desperate measures
limpid meadow
There's a really good story hidden in H5, but you need to know the extended lore to get to it, and that's where H5 really messed up
versed helm
Right, because she knows what Catherine did to him and the others, and she hates...
Yes, this makes sense. Also it seems she's veered into ensuring goals regardless of the humanity for her solutions
- Imprison Chief in a Cryptum to protect him, technically this can be done out of "love" and "protection" at the cost of free will and against his own wishes
- Subjugating the entire galaxy to protect life at the cost of every living thing's freedom, also a screwed up form of "love", like the destructive mother figure
versed helm
There's a really good story hidden in H5, but you need to know the extended lore...
idk I follow the extended lore extensively and they missed me big time with Halo 5
It has a lot of elements of bad writing
versed helm
I know who all 8 Spartans are at the start of the game, aware of Locke's background, ONI, JulmDama, Arby, etc etc, the external lore doesn't really mean the writing has to be good or bad in the game itself
limpid meadow
Blue Team is the big one, but if you want the whole Cortana storyline to make sense and be satisfying, you kinda need to know their extended backstory together.
tough violet
My favorite part of Halo 5: when Fred slaps Chief on the arm
Thats it
That was the best part of Halo 5.
stable flower
"Took you long enough..."
tough violet
Nah its something like "well they can't ||.........|| all of us"
humble yacht
I think the previous games were enough backstory for the relationship between Chief and Cortana
limpid meadow
"They can't court martial us all, right?"
humble yacht
The games certainly played it up more than the books
limpid meadow
I dunno. All of Cortana's actions, to me, felt like a corrupted extension of her promise to keep John safe in The Fall of Reach
tough violet
"They can't court martial us all, right?"
Thats it, thank you!
limpid meadow
It has a lot of elements of bad writing
Don't get me wrong, Halo 5 is poorly written. I just feel there's a good story hidden in there. Halo 5's story isn't a bad idea in theory, it was just terribly, terribly executed on.
humble yacht
Halo 4 has a nice moment after Didact destroys her terminal in Midnight where she’s whispering to Chief from all over. I think one of the whispers is “I’ll always take care of you” or something
limpid meadow
Yep
stable flower
I like how the last objective is "It's alright, but you must hurry."
versed helm
Halo 5's story in itself is not a bad idea, the part that bothers me is how they fleshed out the villain (who is now not even the Didact or the Warden Eternal... it's CORTANA).
Good villains make or break a story
limpid meadow
True that.
Halo 5 should have been this big return for the Didact and a chance to flesh him out for fans unfamiliar with the Forerunner Saga. But no...
And if it was "always the plan" to make Cortana a villain, Halo 4 needed to go in a very different direction.
humble yacht
I like how the last objective is "It's alright, but you must hurry."
I think it’s Cortana giving you the objective and she’s consoling you
stable flower
Shot in the dark but why do the Sentinels on Didact's ship not attack you or the Prometheans?
humble yacht
I don’t remember any sentinels on his ship
versed helm
Cortana going evil after touching the Domain and talking to Warden Eternal would make a lot more sense to me , actually. Let's say Warden Eternal is presented as a very strong Forerunner entity (like Mendicant bias and Offensive Bias were) and manipulating her. Not the other way around
Warden Eternal should be loyal to the Didact above all
stable flower
They appear in one area after you teleport to the area before the friendly turrets
humble yacht
That’s fine because Cortana was established as the head honcho in 5
versed helm
Yes, and we're supposed to believe Warden Eternal believed her narrative or she "outsmarted" him
And if so, why did we even need him? He's not even the villain
stable flower
You can also see some flying around in circles after the conveyor belt (those appear as enemies)
versed helm
another useless character
humble yacht
She snuck past him
limpid meadow
Cortana going evil *after* touching the Domain and talking to Warden Eternal wou...
Yeah, the fact that Dominion Splinter established Cortana as the manipulator was extremely disappointing and confusing.
versed helm
Ah yes, of course, rampant Cortana fragments outsmarted a Forerunner class AI in his own system
makes sense to me, A+ writing
stable flower
Still, the little tiny Cortanas (aka fragments) tickled me