#lore-and-universe

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humble yacht
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they're just spartans

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older generation spartans like chief have a rank within the UNSC navy

undone sun
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Interesting

steep ether
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well spesific spartans do like cammander palmer

humble yacht
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Palmer's "commander" title is not an official rank

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more just a role she plays within Spartan Branch

steep ether
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i guess she only works with spartans, right?

humble yacht
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huh?

steep ether
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what are you confused about?

calm sparrow
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Depends

craggy sierra
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No that really doesn’t depend. If they need to put spartans into drop pods they just can.

steep ether
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yeah

humble yacht
steep ether
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i mean, doesn't she work with spartans only

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and not like order marines around or whatever too

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?

humble yacht
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there are situations where spartans are deployed alongside marines or odsts, and in those cases, operational command would probably go to palmer

craggy sierra
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She had a contingent of marines with her when you meet her in H4

stable flower
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I always wondered. Why do HW Sentinels fire single-shot lasers instead of continuous ones?

steep ether
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well yeah, but if lets say the unsc is deploying marines only somewhere then palmer wouldent be in charge of that

humble yacht
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or, maybe sentinels have multiple firing modes. like the BR

calm sparrow
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What's stopping ONI from kidnapping children again?

gilded mason
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At the moment, I guess the Created

humble yacht
gilded mason
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But other thanthat situation, they're never really held accountable, so nothing much else.

craggy sierra
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They also just don’t have a reason to now since the Spartan tech got better for adults.

cloud trellis
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who here had a link to read the halo books order?

gilded mason
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There you go

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All the books in order. But check the saga books at the bottom as well, since they're split off from that main list

cloud trellis
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oh yeah

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i was told to avoid kilo-five

gilded mason
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I would say the same. Just read a summary or something.

cloud trellis
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shame glassland art is pretty cool

humble yacht
gilded mason
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Yeah, listen to me

humble yacht
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never trust a dino

gilded mason
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Good thing I'm not a dino. ;)

humble yacht
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dinos refers to people who like/rp as elites

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not actual elites

gilded mason
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I've never actually heard it being used in that manner before, only the latter

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

main hill
terse lava
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Hm, don't think i have seen anyone rp as a Sangheili in a very very long time

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Oh well, seen both Spartan and Sangheili players take the rp aspect to odd areas

gilded mason
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Indeed.

main hill
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I feel like the Wasp isn’t very good for its intended roles

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I can see it being used for scouting and some close air support if needed, but I don’t see it as a gunship or anything like that

tranquil valve
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The falcon did it’s job better plus you could get 2 of your boys on the gunner seats

main hill
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I feel like as troop transport the UNSC coulda done better but over all yeah

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The Falcon with the grenade launchers and 20mm chaingun was practically a gunship that was really good for close air support

tranquil valve
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Yeah shame the multiplayer version was so inferior to the regular falcon

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343 plz

main hill
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Yea

fair hazel
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wasp is a CAS, fast and easily deployable

main hill
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Yeah but at the same time a Close air support helicopter should be able to pack a good amount of fire power and take some what of a beating, the Wasp has neither of those things going for it.

tranquil valve
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Banshee and phaeton outclass it heavily

main hill
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It looks like it would make for a good scout helicopter if anything and I don’t think it was a good idea on the UNSC’s part to start replacing the Hornet or the Hawk with it which are both much better vehicles to fill the Wasps roles

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You may point out shielding but one, the wasp has really weak shields, and two if they put shields on the wasp they could definitely put shields on the hornet or the Hawk

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If you ask me the best vehicle the UNSC had for close air support was the Hawk. (Of course discounting the Vulture which is more comparable to something like the AC-130)

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I think the UNSC should have had some fixed wing aircraft for CAS, something almost like the A-10 Warthog that they could deploy from land and from above orbit, definitely would’ve helped win some battles.

tranquil valve
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If they made an A-10 inspired aircraft then it would absolutely have to have the gun on the front complete with brrrrrrrrrt

main hill
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I was thinking something like the cut Falcon concept from Halo Wars that was gonna be VTOL jet.

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It could operate like the Russian Frogfoot.

fair hazel
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Are you basing things out of gameplay?

main hill
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No I’m speaking lore wise

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An A-10 type vehicle in a mainline halo game would be OP af

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An A-10 type vehicle in a Halo Wars game tho wouldn’t be too far fetched

grim shore
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I mean the Longsword bombers kind of fills the A10 Role

unique rune
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I mean. I feel like you're ignoring that the Wasp has other positives over the Hornet or Sparrowhawk.

Chief among them being that it's easier on logistics than either of them.

main hill
grim shore
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So is the a10

main hill
unique rune
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And it's not like the AV-49 is replacing either the -14 or -22, it's officially stated as supplementing the UNSC's existing CAS fleet.

fair hazel
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Let's read what it say:

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"Small VTOL attack craft have been a staple of the UNSC’s military inventory for centuries due to their maneuverability and lack of developed infrastructure on many worlds. Using powerful ducted fan engines pioneered on the AV-30 for lift, the AV-49 Wasp is surprisingly nimble for its level of armor protection and armament, and can reach mission areas quickly with the use of air-cooled vectored-thrust fusion thrusters in forward flight.

Designed for expeditionary usage, Wasps can be easily prepped “from box to sky and back” with minimal tools, and their hardened storage containers have identical dimensions to NAVLOGCOM-standard flat containers, simplifying interstellar transport logistics. The AV-49 Wasp supplements existing stocks of AV-14 and AV-22 aircraft in Marine service. Close air support VTOL armed with heavy machine guns and twin rocket launchers."

main hill
grim shore
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I wonder if we'll see the Unsc Owl as it was in the inf book prequel.

main hill
fair hazel
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The wasp is a nimble and deadly beast.

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Sting like a butterfly, fly like a bee

main hill
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I wouldn’t say a beast

fair hazel
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In my hands? It is

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The times i've took on multiple air vehicles including banshees

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and won

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That thing can dance around a banshee

tranquil valve
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Phaeton helios has joined the game

stable flower
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The idea of plasma setting people on fire in pretty scary.

mint ridge
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Would you like to hear a poem

main hill
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I’m like 90% sure any Covenant weapon would set a hellbringer on fire without even having to hit em directly, the heat from a plasma round would be more than enough to ignite the fuel.

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Like being a hellbringer easily had to be the worse job in the UNSC

cedar surge
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Well I think that goes for in general flamethrowrs

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You paint a huge target on your back

main hill
wooden zodiac
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captin keys was a hero

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the pain he went though was horrible

north harbor
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Yeah

wooden zodiac
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i mean the ways of torture the flood used was mentally destroying

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he went through the best of it 2

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and never revaled a thing

carmine sleet
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He gave the Flood the location of Earth

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Like, that's the one thing they absolutely did not want the Flood to learn and he was forced to give up that info to them

wooden zodiac
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no he didnt????????

humble yacht
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He resisted as long as he could but he eventually succumbed

wooden zodiac
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yeah he made it sound as if he said he just told them

ocean ibex
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What exactly made ancient humans a t1 species again? Besides them holding off the forerunners and the flood for 1000 years, they couldn’t build mega scale constructs or planets from what I remember

humble yacht
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we don't really know what the extent of their technology was because we only saw them through the view of the forerunners

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and the forerunners basically wiped all remnants of AH from the galaxy, save some ruins

versed helm
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Like those ones on Heian

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I still wonder how AH were able to hold off the Forerunners for 1,000 years while fighting the Flood at the same time

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Because that is impressive

coarse trail
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Probably a mixture of ingenuity, bravery, and desperation

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The flood being on Ancient Humanity's shores is a very scary thing

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That they'd rather force themselves thru Forerunner territory and try to win wars JUST to escape the flood on the other side

main hill
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A game that takes place during the time the ancient humanity was running from the flood and started wars with the forerunners would be fun. It wouldn’t be like Halo at all tho.

last anchor
cedar surge
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HW dlc maybe?

terse lava
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It would have to be a whole new game, not dlc for an existing one

paper coyote
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"It’s so shiny! Me seem to member things looking preeeeeetty bleak there for a while, with me an’ all the other Unggoy spendin’ years just mostly running away from green demons, or mean boss flappy-mouths who just wanted to make sure we got shotted at first. But now… well now the blue lady helps us. I meen, it’s weird and confusing and all because she used to help the green guy be mean to us, then she was mean to the green guy, then nice to us… I don’t know, she’s definitely the most confusing blue lady I’ve seen – I mean, she’s really the ONLY one I’ve seen, but whatevers. Anyway, she must have feeled bad for us getting’ kicked around all the time cause now she sends us stuff to eat and things to be builded…"

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proof cortana good?

gilded mason
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Not at all.

terse lava
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Its only proof that she was helping the Unggoy on Balaho. More likely then not as fancier cannon fodder for her armies

gilded mason
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What's funny is, during this same time, she murdered all the humans at the UEG embassy on Balaho.

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Not a good look. To be honest

humble yacht
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with what?

gilded mason
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Prometheans

humble yacht
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she must view humanity as a thorn that won't bow

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so she's just like "get rid of them"

gilded mason
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Yeah, pretty evil of her.

humble yacht
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or at least humanity's government

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lawful evil

terse lava
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Ehhh...maybe?

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Doesn't make it any better

gilded mason
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I'd say neutral evil

humble yacht
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nah the whole thing about galactic dominance is lawful

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she's all about her idea of order

gilded mason
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But yeah, either way, Lawful, neutral, or chaotic, they're still all on the "evil" spectrum

terse lava
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Yeah, to my knowledge we have yet to see any benefit of the Created

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Don't think even the Forerunmers were as...snubbish(dumb filter) as the Created

humble yacht
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the benefit wouldn't happen until conflict ended

gilded mason
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I remember one of the first lore things we got about the Created

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It was that they accidentally crashed a UEG space station because they didn't know how to work it correctly.

terse lava
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The one where some AI got uppity and released constraints on foreurnner pods?

gilded mason
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Don't remember that one

terse lava
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Might be the same one, idk

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Still, found it pretty funny

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So I guess there is one benefit to the Created. Fun to make fun of

gilded mason
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lol

terse lava
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Forerunners- preserved life to one extent or another.
Covenant-united multiple races under a common faith
UEG- United humanity
Flood-nope
Created- to be decided

humble yacht
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the insurrectionists would argue that the UEG and the Created share similar goals

gilded mason
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Seems likely.

humble yacht
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Good is a point of view, anakin

terse lava
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I was going for very basic benefits to each

humble yacht
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Bahalo grunts saw a benefit

terse lava
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To what end though is the question

humble yacht
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the idea is that if you bow down, you get similar benefits. but so far only those grunts bowed

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we won't see the end so long as different races are opposed to being under a thumb

gilded mason
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The people that were left behind on Meridian bowed as well.

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Though we never found out what happened to them after that

humble yacht
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she saved some of them

terse lava
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Indeed, I have ended up viewing such stuff in a similar vein to the "empire did nothing wrong" stick

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I would say at best, the Created may have something of interest, but I have yet to see it besides Forerunner 2.0

humble yacht
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i think the proposed end goal could be beneficial but the cost to get there would outweigh the benefit

terse lava
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Likely

stable flower
terse lava
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Hm? No I mean from a narrative view

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Right now they are pretty much just "skynet in space"

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They feel one dimensional

gilded mason
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Ado, he was talking to somebody else lol

terse lava
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Is he? scrolls upits just been us 3 for a while now

gilded mason
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(He has a quote thing)

terse lava
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Doesn't appear on my screen. The heck?

gilded mason
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Huh. Weird.

terse lava
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Indeed

humble yacht
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Skynet was about elimination, not comquering

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The forerunners were more like sky net, at least with the precursors

gilded mason
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I, Robot in Space, moreso.

terse lava
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The only reason I didn't clarify on the elimination part was well, the guardians wiped out millions/billions already

gilded mason
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True

humble yacht
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Are we sure about that?

terse lava
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Whether through outright killing on activation, or shutting down important yech

humble yacht
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Millions, I could see, through falling planes and such

gilded mason
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And the frigates that detonated after crashing into planets

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RIP Sydney

terse lava
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Plus Covenant races and other unknown races

gilded mason
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And the fact that cities keep getting build right next to or on top of Guaardian sites

terse lava
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Thus I included billions

gilded mason
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Which completely obliterates them

humble yacht
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I do think she is showing a lack of concern for collateral damage but I don’t think destruction and death is her main intent

terse lava
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It isn't no

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But that won't change the galaxy view of her

gilded mason
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Not main intent, but she still causes it without care

humble yacht
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She’s taking the “big picture” thinking philosophy to the extreme

terse lava
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Even the Forerunners showed regret for wiping out the precursors.

humble yacht
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They did?

terse lava
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Yes?

gilded mason
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I do think it's funny that they tried to say she thinks in 10,000 year chunks now...but does all of this extremly quickly and without grace, causing millions of deaths in the process

terse lava
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The warrior servants who finished the genocide

gilded mason
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When she could now just work behind the scenes with Created affiliated AI to manipulate everyone slowly

humble yacht
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That’s probably why she doesn’t care

terse lava
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The same could be argued for the Covenant then

humble yacht
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Cause 10000 years from now, the galaxy will be repopulated and prosperous

terse lava
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Whats a single race for the unity of multiples?

humble yacht
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I just don’t think it’s as one dimensional as you suggest

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There is nuance

gilded mason
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Oh god, that word lol

terse lava
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If it wasn't on such a massive time scale I might agree

humble yacht
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Hopefully 343 doesn’t listen to you and abandon the created altogether Postums

gilded mason
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Me?

terse lava
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I..never said to abandon it

gilded mason
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Yeah, me neither.

humble yacht
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343 has shown they can overreact to feedback

terse lava
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Good for them

gilded mason
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I wish they would do that for things I actually want

humble yacht
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We all wish for what we like, at the end of the day

terse lava
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I would like a story perhaps fleshing our the Created

humble yacht
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I find the created more interesting than the banished at this point

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Banished imo are just covie 3.0

gilded mason
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The Banished are soggy toast

terse lava
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Agreed

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Just space pirates who became atheist Covenant

humble yacht
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And both the created and banished are more interesting than the flood, imo

terse lava
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Hm..yeah, I would agree.

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The flood were fleshed out plenty already anyway

humble yacht
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And yet they’re still actually one dimensional

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Both in what they want and how the protags respond to them

terse lava
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Whether as an unknown parasite race or the external torture tool of thirsting eldrich horrors

humble yacht
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The revenge aspect cheapens them

terse lava
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Well really, what other way is there to react to them besides burn the area? Not like a captured flood form will carry a conversation on its own without a gravemind

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Agreed, I am not fond of it

humble yacht
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Yea, that’s what I meant about protag response

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When flood show up, there is one option: destroy them before the grow too big

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Otherwise, it’s halo time

terse lava
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Pretty much, they had the possibility of being better with the Forerunner trilogy, but meh

craggy sierra
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Honestly there wouldn’t have been anything to do with them even if forerunner trilogy never happened.

gilded mason
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That does remind me that I wanna see Prometheans that have free will.

terse lava
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Chakas counts as that now 😛

gilded mason
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Oh you!

humble yacht
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I wonder why the knights turned out so different than monitors

terse lava
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Likely part of the process. Look at mendicant bias vs offensive bias

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One fell to logic plague, the other was able to communicate with a corrupt AI and survived

humble yacht
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But MB and OB weren’t made from the composer

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As far as we know

craggy sierra
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Also I’m pretty sure OB was not communicating with MB for 50 years

terse lava
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True, I'd say the difference is in the purpose of the composed. Forthencho was perfectly fine, as he was met to be kept intact. Meanwhile the prometheans were going into combat against the flood, whose logic plague had foiled machines plenty. Having an organic origin, but a machine-like will, likely made it more difficult for the plague to set in

craggy sierra
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You seem to not understand what the logic plague actually is

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It’s social manipulation more than anything physical or infectious.

gilded mason
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I think that's why he said "but a machine-like will"

terse lava
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I am aware what it is, at its core its a philosophical argument made by the flood to convince an AI that the flood are in the right. This only really worked so well due to the idea of the mantle permeated in forerunner culture

craggy sierra
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So unless the gravemind was willing to spend 50 years a piece with every promethean soldier to debate the ideals of the flood with them, I don’t see that making much of a difference when it comes down to it.

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Also I’m pretty sure logic plague only became a thing after the prometheans inception. Correct me if I’m wrong on that.

terse lava
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Reason it took 40-50 years was likely due to Mendicant's nature of being composed of billions of minds

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It was long before, Forerunners during the human-Forerunner wars dealt with it too when wiping out infected fleets and studying the remaining monitors

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Humans themselves likely dealt with it too i assume

craggy sierra
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@gilded mason is he makin’ sense here or nah?

gilded mason
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I think you might need to edit that a bit, Ado.

craggy sierra
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I don’t recall MB being composed of a billion minds.

terse lava
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Hate mobile...

gilded mason
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Not sure about a billion, though it is a compound intelligence

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A likely theory being composed of composed humans

terse lava
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Believe the gravemind stated it when talking to MB, comparing the AI to himself

main hill
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Theoretically something like tungsten would be really effective against shields right? Since the melting point is much higher it probably takes more energy from the shields of enemies to destroy a tungsten projectile. So I wonder if the UNSC ever used any specialized ammo that used tungsten.

agile drum
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no. tungstens melting point is around 6000 F but minimum plasma temp is 11000 F so unlesss it was some very cold tungsten or some very cold plasma than no it wouldnt be

ocean ibex
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No, it doesn’t matter what the bullet is made out of. And yes the UNSC uses tungsten for their armor piercing rounds

lost relic
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what is a huragok

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like

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wtf is that

gilded mason
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An artificial creature

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Good at vibin'

lost relic
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they floaty boi

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very

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like sword

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Squid

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Yes

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Squid

stable flower
stable flower
hoary cairn
cedar surge
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Not believing in the great journey,allowing themselves to ally with human criminals,lead by a smart charismatic brute

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The banished are now lead by a brute with 2 different personalities depending on where its presented,intolerant of humans just like the covenant

stable flower
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In other words, an irreligious Covenant substitute

main hill
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The railgun and the sticky detonator are honestly the 2 best guns 343 added, not to say their other guns are completely trash but I feel like the railgun and sticky detonator were the most fun to use overall

noble mountain
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You guys think odst pods are just ports poddies with rockets?

terse marten
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wut

stable flower
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Don't you mean potties?

versed helm
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can anyone tell me the halo lure so far but in a simple way?

gilded mason
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AI overthrowing everyone and a not-Covenant faction is on the prowl while everyone is distracted

versed helm
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How much tax payer money goes to the Spartan programs?

gilded mason
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Some amount

versed helm
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Probably a yoink ton of credits

versed helm
versed helm
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Would it be safe to assume that James-005 is dead now?

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Because we never hear of him again

sterile crescent
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i thought of a new superweapon at 3am

An FTL core capable of creating a supernova
A NOVA bomb can be used to create a small star

Should advancements be made to future drive technology such as creation of man made wormholes / slipspace, a weapon can be designed to create 2 wormholes, sending the FTL core through one and the NOVA bomb through the other

Like a particle accelerator both elements gain speed until the wormholes terminate at the same location

Upon collision a smaller scale supernova could possibly be generated
Wiping out planets in its immediate surrounding and destroying atmospheres of those further away

Not backed by science but just by my imagination

Please don't hate me for this its just something i though might be cool

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Please let me know if its the wrong place to send this

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Would like to hear your opinions

versed helm
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is there an official Halo map of the galaxy?

sterile crescent
craggy sierra
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Smh

carmine sleet
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Waffle, I'm upset about that too

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We don't even know who Spartan 007 is either

versed helm
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thanks

jagged schooner
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Who was the first ever spartan??

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Was there ever a spartan 001?

carmine sleet
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The number that a Spartan is assigned isn't the order in which they were created

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And whoever the first one is would depend on who you ask, given that the Spartan-I program was retroactively renamed to that after being known as Orion for years

vernal knoll
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halo takes place in the milky-way?

jagged schooner
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Oooh, thanks

humble yacht
coral siren
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Wait. MASTERCHIEF IS A FORERUNNER?

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LIKE IN HALO 3, 343 GUILTY SPARK Says that he is A FORERUNNER

main hill
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but guys, here's the real question

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Should Spartan 1337 become canon

versed helm
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Negative.

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His story should always remain as being comical and unofficial. I can only see it being established as a parody of current events (in the universe) if it were rationalised.

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
versed helm
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That was my original suggestion, an in-universe parody.

limpid meadow
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I love that idea

fair hazel
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Those fan made ones are things not to rely upon. There is. A small galaxy map from warfleet

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I like the idea too

limpid meadow
ocean ibex
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That’s literally what he implied...

main hill
versed helm
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Imagine making an in-universe TV show centered around the adventures of Spartan 1337 and all of the comical shenanigans he gets into

main hill
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That would be pretty funny

obsidian thistle
main hill
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I don’t like that the Mangler looks like a nail gun and a mauler put together and made really thicc

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Like I just hate how the Mangler looks

fair hazel
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Yep

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Also I got Walmart edition too @obsidian thistle

naive wind
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What universe does halo exist in cause its gotta be REALLY far from here

unique rune
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It exists in... the Halo universe?
I'm not really sure what the question is here.

main hill
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Halo takes place in our universe if that’s what you mean

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It takes place in our solar system in the Orion Arm

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Just like 400 years in the future

naive wind
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Oooh yeah sry I was being stupid

stable flower
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Thank uncle Vladi Kos and aunt Nadja for the UNSC being formed.

hearty gust
main hill
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Did you guys know the UNSC was going to have a “wet navy” aka a navy that has seaborne ships

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And there are actually aircraft carriers in halo 3 that could be seen outside of a few maps

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I could see the advantage of having a sea navy for the UNSC, sort of like a worse case scenario so you don’t have a solely rely of out of orbit vessels to send support down, not only that but you could have a place at all times to help repair and refuel ships without them having to go all the way back up into space.

cedar surge
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Going to? They just already do have a wet navy

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You can see them in the comics and in the games and I think mentioned a few times in the books

main hill
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Halopedia said going to when I was making sure what I was saying was correct.

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So sorry

stable flower
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Wet navy will come in handy for planetary warfare at sea.

versed helm
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They already have aircraft carriers and I think we see one in one of the Halo 3 maps

winter falcon
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Hey everyone I'm new to the server. I'm a very casual gamer, but my first console was the original xbox released waaay back in 2001. Halo: Combat Evolved is what convinced me to buy the console, and it remains my favorite video game franchise 20 years later. Question: many years ago, Peter Jackson was rumored to be in the running to direct a live-action adaptation before plans fell apart. Which director do you feel could do a live-action Halo film justice? My vote goes to Denis Villeneuve. Who would you want to see direct a live-action Halo film?

potent apex
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Hey guys, I'm looking at the Graphic Novels for Escalation and see a library edition for "Omnibus" with the same cover arts, are they they same things or does one have extra stuff in it?

carmine sleet
spiral jewel
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What is the exact relationship between the Guardians (that were cut) from Halo 3 and the Guardians from Halo 5?

cedar surge
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Cut from similar concept

carmine sleet
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That said, the idea of a Forerunner construct known as a Guardian did come from the Guardians cut from Halo 3

robust hull
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What exactly is the mantle of responsibility and where the humans and forerunner equal?

humble yacht
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the Mantle is a philosophy that one race (typically the most advanced/powerful race) acts as the shepherd and guardian of all other races in the galaxy

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Ancient Humans were not equal to Forerunners, tho they gave them a run for their money

last anchor
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Man we had some of the heavyweights in here earlier.

quasi sun
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ooh im gunna have fun in this channel

coarse trail
#

Are there books or stories where the Halo universe came close to Grimdark level?

last anchor
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Entire Forerunner trilogy.
Short story Mona Lisa.

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Literally anything involving the Flood really

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You're not gonna get 40k Grimdark because the UNSC is not pants-on-head dumb. Nor is the Covenant.

humble yacht
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Voridus is pretty dumb

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assuming he's still breathing

last anchor
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I'd say hes more...impulsive than anything.

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Hes certainly smart enough to weaponize infusion gel

humble yacht
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there are different kinds of dumb

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putting personal pride ahead of your army's safety is high up on the dumb scale

last anchor
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True. Though, again, Jiralhanee...that probably doesnt help.

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Luckily for him hes got Pavium, who I cant decide between calling "The Wall" or "Jiralhanee Rogal Dorn"

humble yacht
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well i have a feeling Atriox punished him after the outbreak. potentially by death

zenith sage
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aTrIoX iS fAkE, nO wAy aN oVeRgRoWn MoNkEy CoUlD bE tHaT iNtElLiGeNt

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lol

stable flower
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So was the United Earth Space Corps real or an error in writing?

winter falcon
stable flower
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I wonder how a secession involving the CAA vs the UEG would play out.

terse lava
#

Likely similar to the larger rebellion

versed helm
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What other types of technology and artifacts did the Forerunners leave on Reach besides that ship that was encased in a glacier and that portal-device thing that allowed Atriox to return to the Milky Way?

edgy apex
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There was a slipspace crystal under CASTLE base too I think

versed helm
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Oh yeah, that thing

alpine cipher
#

@ me when this channel is revived.

...but how did the Precursors’ remains get corrupted?

gilded mason
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I guess it just "spoiled" over time.

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Maybe radiation mutated the dust?

main hill
#

Has anyone ever considered the possibility of the final form of the gravemind to be a precursor

gilded mason
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Why would it

cedar surge
#

Why would it be

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A precursor gets corrupted and goes from flood back to precursor?

terse lava
#

I do recall the Didact or Juridical in Silentium commenting on the gravemind reshaping itself. Comparing it to a....pre-born baby(how is the proper word filtered?)

alpine cipher
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From what you just said, I can make up a theory. The Precursors turned themselves into dust so that they might be rebuilt after the Precursor-Forerunner war blew over, but then ancient humans found the dust. The Human World must’ve tarnished the dust somehow and re-written the Precursor’s genetic code, thus the Flood came to be. The Flood are a Parasitic entity created by the remains of the precursors. Everyone thinks this is where it ends for the Precursors, but no, this was predicted by them.

The Flood are the beginning of their reconstruction, when a Proto-Gravemind is formed, the other Flood Forms become intelligent, linked by a Hivemind. When it obtains more Biomass, a mature gravemind forms. A true gravemind is where the true Flood begin. All of this you already knew, but what you don’t know is that, that’s the Precursor’s New Beginning.

When multiple worlds are consumed by the Flood, and enough biomass is obtained, a Keymind forms, this is the supposed final stage for the Flood, but it isn’t. My theory is that a Keymind is merely an infantile Precursor, just simply corrupted. The Precursor rebuilds itself using its own creations to bring itself back from the void. The Flood have never surpassed the Keymind stage, so we don’t know if multiple galaxies are consumed, a fully mature, corrupted precursor forms. I believe this would occur in some form of convergence event, where all of the previously created flood forms, return to the Keymind and add themselves to the biomass. Bringing the Precursors plan, to fruition.

humble yacht
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Don’t really need a theory

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The info you seek exits already

craggy sierra
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No I think he literally just described the plot of Dead Space 3

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Like down to using the term “convergence event”

humble yacht
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Lol, you may be right

terse lava
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Yeah that's literally the dead space plot, minus the "seeing life to harvest it"part

humble yacht
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No, even that part is dead space

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The brethren moons send out black markers which promote evolution to produce intelligent life that can build more markers, which eventually lets the moons come and eat them all

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So the moons seed life to harvest it later

terse lava
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Thats what I said

tranquil valve
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Combat forms look a little like necromorphs too tbh but yeah that theory is literally the plot of dead space

main hill
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No one ever mentioned how

robust hull
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In halo cryptum, the forerunner takes off his armor, but it doesn't really describe what he looks like

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Does he just look like the didact?

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Or something similar?

terse lava
#

Bornstellar? No, he doesn't look like the Didact

robust hull
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Ok

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To be fair I only just started reading it

terse lava
robust hull
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So maybe I'll get more info later on

terse lava
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There's an image of him from Warfleet

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Ah you just started?

robust hull
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Yep

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I wanted to get every bit of knowledge before I start playing the games for the first time

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I know the basic story of the covenant and UNSC and whatnot

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But just got into the games

terse lava
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Well you are in for a treat id say

ocean ibex
#

How do infection forms penetrate armor again?

gilded mason
#

I think they look for the gaps and seams.

spare vine
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they sure do love the gaps and seams lmao

ocean ibex
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Mm, I thought the barbs had little drills that cut through armor

humble yacht
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Not through the titanium plating, but the armor plating doesn’t cover 100% of a person

shy hedge
#

Halo lore is pretty deepmasterchef

main hill
#

This is an interesting question my friend asked me, “why didn’t they just make full auto BRs and replace the AR” and my answer was “the same reason the scar-H isn’t a standard issue rifle” and I just wanted to hear your guy’s answers

fair hazel
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Um but an infection form did...

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Almost infect John , Armour

cedar surge
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The BR can go full auto

main hill
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I’m asking why didn’t full auto BRs replace the MA5

versed helm
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I wish that they would give us an answer as to what species attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants

stable flower
unique rune
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why didn’t they just make full auto BRs and replace the AR
I mean. Why would they replace the MA5 series?

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Going off of the fact that they said "full auto BRs" they're only working off of a gameplay comparison, which really isn't a viable set of stats to build an argument off of.

cedar surge
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In gameplay you could unload all your shots into a enemy while in lore it would only be a few shots

versed helm
#

So what kind of facilities and bases does the UNSC have in Texas?

cedar surge
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Well that's a bit specific

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But I think they have bases all over earth

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It is the capital of the UEG

topaz iron
#

Is the USA ever even mentioned in lore

unique rune
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It's mentioned in the sense that it doesn't really exist anymore after merging with Canada and Mexico to form the United Republic of North America (URNA).

craggy sierra
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I’m pretty sure countries are a little pointless when you get a few hundred years past space travel

main hill
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Sydney is the capital of the UEG

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Wouldn’t surprise me if NYC is still the economic hub of the world under the UEG.

cedar surge
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Wouldn't it be one of the SE cities?

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Space elevators

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Which were along the equator

undone sun
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Derp

hollow sun
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merp

barren ferry
barren ferry
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Jiralhanae especially

cedar surge
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SoR a brute took less than 4 BR bursts to the head and died with shielding

stable flower
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The trauma from the bullet killed him

main hill
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At the same time in Onyx a Brute took like good amount of bullets from an AR to the head before dying.

versed helm
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Yes

tribal oasis
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why in the start of halo infinite chief floating in space ?

gilded mason
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Because he's such a rascal.

tribal oasis
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no without jokes , halo 4 and 5 no longer canon ?

gilded mason
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Nothing has pointed to that conclusion.

tribal oasis
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idk everyone tells me so

gilded mason
#

They would be wrong, and must have extremely misread something

tribal oasis
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so why he is in space ? like in ending of halo 5 he was not in space

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so why he is right now

gilded mason
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Time passes.

tribal oasis
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so its riddle for everyone not just for me

gilded mason
#

Seriously now: Infinite takes place a couple years after H5. The audience is being intentionally left in the dark as to the context for things in Infinite.

tribal oasis
#

oh , so no one knows why chief boy is in space

gilded mason
#

Correct.

tribal oasis
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and we will figure it out in the game

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?

gilded mason
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Yup

tribal oasis
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ok

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thats wierd

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but cool

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i dont really like halo 5

versed helm
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Yo GUYs

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I keep seeing Sinoviet industries.

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In reach

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Is it a chinese vietnamese company thing?

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Or something like that

carmine sleet
#

It's believed the company has its origins in South East Asia but there isn't too much lore on SinoViet

versed helm
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I see.

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However,I only theorize that its a Chinese vietnamese company that makes military equipment.

carmine sleet
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They make civilian vehicles and military spaceships

versed helm
#

So uh,

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A chinese-vietnamese Ford/Chrysler from the future?

warm rampart
#

seeing the anvil initiative logo in season 5 for mcc does that mean anvil station and the anvil initiative are now considered canon?

unique rune
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The ANVIL Initiative was still considered canon, if I remember correctly, just most of the other stuff from Online gets to live in pseudocanonicity.

warm rampart
#

they were trying to sweep online under the rug however, and I do wonder if this means they might try and resurrect online perhaps?

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because it shows that they're acknowledging it

unique rune
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I mean I dunno if I'd really call it sweeping it under the rug. Online was just cancelled and there wasn't much reason to talk about it.
Resurrecting it would also be kinda pointless, considering MCC's been ported to PC and is even having some of Online's original armor variations added to it.

warm rampart
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Online had some neat concepts. reason I think they're trying to hide it is a certain communtiy driven mod that gained significant popularity that was threatened with legal troubles before development was halted.

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the reason i think they are trying to sweep it under the rug is because the aforementioned mod is often associated/mistaken with online. So much that some people say they made the online armour seen in s5

main hill
#

I really wish halo had gore physics not gonna lie.

carmine sleet
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I don't see what gore physics has to do with the lore

main hill
#

We’ve talked game mechanics in here before.

shy hedge
carmine sleet
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Some people think that because Chief is in more classic looking armour and the fact he begins the game floating in space somehow retcons those two games. Conveniently ignoring facts like if this was meant as a retcon of Halo 4 and 5, why isn't Chief inside the Forward Until Dawn, the fact that Cortana is clearly not with him, the prequel novel Shadows of Reach which features the new armour and is a post Halo 5 story or the countless times 343i have come out and said Halo Infinite is a follow up to Halo 5

shy hedge
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Some people. . .

unique rune
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I’ve seen people unironically suggest that 4 and 5 should be retconned as bad dreams while in cryo, so, uh. Yeah.

gilded mason
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It would be nice to see the post-war revised from how it currently is, at least. ;)

stable flower
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Chief needs to upgrade to Mark VII, yo.

carmine sleet
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Mjolnir Gen 3 Mark VI is more of an aesthetical choice than Chief not wanting to upgrade. Gen 3 Mark VII and Gen 3 Mark VI are basically the same

terse marten
cedar surge
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Some changes would be nice but entire rectons would be bad

terse marten
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Well even some changes could be bad.

main hill
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I mean the post war stuff makes sense. I personally don’t see any revising to be done other than with the banished

gilded mason
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At the very least, set it a decade or two later, and not have so much focus on galaxy spanning threats, and focus instead on smaller stories.

main hill
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I could see smaller stories being done within what we have now

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I just think that 343 hit the nail on post human-covenant war. The influence of the covenant would take decades to fade away.

gilded mason
#

The influence of the covenant would take decades to fade away.
Hence why it should have taken places a couple decades later

terse lava
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Yeah, right now it's pretty much the Covenant is pretty much gone and humans acting "like the giants now"

versed helm
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well humans are also pretty much done with, I think the AI are the big guys now.

cerulean wraith
#

how did sgt Johnson, master chief came back to earth from installation 04 (CE to Halo 2)

carmine sleet
#

Halo First Strike explains allot of what happens for those two between CE and 2

versed helm
#

Did you know the falcon can easily be made. It’s basically a helicopter version of the V-22.

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With the front of an Apache

dusty pier
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.

unique rune
#

That... sounds like an extreme oversimplification.

stable flower
#

Humanity is back to being underdogs because some people don't like a change in status quo.

steep ether
craggy sierra
robust hull
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Is there a reason why the arbiter looks different

tranquil valve
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New armor

robust hull
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Guess I should've know that

tranquil valve
#

But really it’s because 343 art style changes I guess

craggy sierra
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Physically, because they redesigned the elites faces. Armour-wise he’s wearing Kaidon armour which is the armour of Sangheli leaders.

carmine sleet
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The Arbiter looks different in Halo 5 because of resource management, it wasn't worth making an entirely new model for his proper phenotype for his character model in game

robust hull
#

I like the old arbiter

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But hey

terse marten
#

Same

robust hull
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I don't really care in the end

#

Thel is still my favorite character

craggy sierra
#

I like his new armour because it makes sense for him to have it.

robust hull
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Yeah I like that

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I don't hate his new armor

carmine sleet
#

His new armour is really nice, just missing the cloak

craggy sierra
#

He’s not just a disgraced warrior now. He’s a political leader.

carmine sleet
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Like, if he ever appears again, I hope he is the proper phenotype, wearing his new armour and donning a cloak

robust hull
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What is the book called that takes place in between ce and 2

carmine sleet
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First Strike

robust hull
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It goes over how chief and johnson got back to Earth

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That's it

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Thank you

last anchor
steep ether
#

aside from like forge or costom games, are all multiplayer games spartan games with in the lore?

stable flower
#

If the M45 is an older shotgun model, why did the UNSC go back to using it in the post-war era?

last anchor
#

Cause it works.

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Technically the D model is the same internals with a fully upgraded external frame.

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The M14 is still in use in certain areas, with new externals and frunature.

#

Internal gas systems on something as simple as a shotgun dont usually need upgrades. Hammer go click, pellet go bang.

honest schooner
last anchor
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The differences between the M45, T45, and M90 are all fairly minor anyway.

#

They're all Misriah Arms produced 8 gauge shotguns

stable flower
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T45?

last anchor
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Reach's shotgun unless Im not mistaken.

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M90 is CE and 2, M90A is 3 and ODST, Reach is T45, 4 and 5 are M45

steep ether
#

I feel like the shotgun from reach would be the one in ce, just with better textures

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i mean, it was like a week in between the to games.

humble yacht
#

Halo reach uses the M45

steep ether
#

oh

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it looks more like the m90 then a m45

quasi sun
quasi sun
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some werid stuff I found lol

gilded mason
#

A lotta misinformation in that thread.

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Since they actually are good swimmers, but people keep citin' Kilo-5 to say they ain't.

boreal bane
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https://aka.ms/ArmorOnline

Halo Waypoint
Canon Fodder - Armor Online

Happy new year! January has brought with it a fantastic feeling of fresh starts and eager outlooks, so we figure it's only natural that we add to the festivities with the first Canon Fodder of 2021. We've got some MCC armor lore to discuss and some recent announcements to resurface, so let's get to it, shall we?

gilded mason
#

Always nice to see a little bit more stuff about Anvil and the SoS

terse lava
#

Yeah...pity no armor for them

unique rune
#

The Online variation of Warrior looks... funny.

steep ether
#

"I am engineer gaming and scout mains EVA"?

placid root
#

Yes

main hill
gilded mason
#

Them as well.

#

They are powerless against the Created if the latter decides to do anything

main hill
#

They seem to be off Cortana’s radar completely, unlike anyone else

#

If anything they are growing in power

gilded mason
#

Because they're trying to keep under the radar, as mentioned in Shadows of Reach

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They said they're trying not to make any waves

main hill
#

Yes they are under the radar, but they aren’t at a complete halt like the UNSC or anyone else, wasn’t there infighting amongst the Banished after Atriox left, if they were as concerned about Cortana as any other faction they straight up wouldn’t be happening and I say they aren’t the underdogs two because the Banished is so big yet isn’t based in any one location, you can argue the same about the UNSC but that’s just false, let’s be real what’s left of the UNSC is centered around the Infinity, hell aren’t the Banished hunting down forerunner tech, again something I don’t think the Banished would be doing if they were at an underdog status because of Cortana.

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Keep in mind I haven’t read shadows of reach, I’m basing what I’m saying off of synopsis’s and reviews I’ve seen

gilded mason
#

So what you're saying is, the Banished would be fine going to war with the Created, right?

main hill
#

No I’m not saying that, I’m saying unlike everyone else the Banished is still making progress with their faction, They weren’t completely pushed back like everyone else

stable flower
#

I wonder how big the Banished's military is. I wonder if it's half the size of the Covenant's.

gilded mason
#

We know the UNSC was able to create a brand new Mjolnir generation

gilded mason
main hill
main hill
gilded mason
#

In truth, Atriox had sent only one command to Castor and ‘Gadogai, more than three months earlier. They had been aboard the Keeper flagship, the heavy frigate Great Light , discussing how to keep the Banished supplied without drawing the wrath of the Apparition and her Guardians.

“And the Old Packs will be so battered by fighting the humans that once we have found the portal, they will be too weak to attempt seizing it from us.”

“True again,” ‘Gadogai said.

Castor paused, troubled by the reticence he heard in the blademaster’s voice. “But you do not seem pleased about it.”

“I am only thinking of the Apparition,” ‘Gadogai said, “and how long it will take her Guardian force to arrive when the fighting grows fierce enough to draw her notice.”

Castor’s heart clenched. He hadn’t thought about the Apparition. Once her Guardians arrived, finding the portal would no longer be possible or important. There would be nothing to do but flee.

“In truth, neither of us has long,” Castor said. “The portal’s opening will be noticed by the Apparition. One of her Guardians is surely on the way here to investigate.” He pointed into the transit installation. “There is a tunnel inside the sanctuary, as Escharum knows well. It leads to an access shaft. The humans who seized it from us are no more eager to meet the Apparition’s Guardian than we are. If they have not left this planet already, they soon will.”

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There ya go @main hill

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Even references that the fact there is in-fighting means really bad business for the Banished

main hill
#

Aight you right

stable flower
#

That could mean there's pro-human sub-factions in the Banished.

gilded mason
#

Hm?

craggy sierra
#

Shadows of Reach explicitly states that they’re on the run from the Created as much as we are.

gilded mason
#

I convinced him with sources, don't worry.

terse lava
#

Really the only faction who could have been a threat to the Banished are shattered and gone

gilded mason
terse lava
#

The original Covenant

gilded mason
#

Ya don't think the SoS could have taken on the Banished?

terse lava
#

Closest thing that could be a threat post array

craggy sierra
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Or the created?

terse lava
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Oh no, I mean the created

gilded mason
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lmao...

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Ado, you goofball

terse lava
#

I did say closest

craggy sierra
#

No I’m pretty sure no one’s winning a space fight against a thing that EMPs planets

stable flower
#

Covenant tech vs Covenant tech. They'd be even.

gilded mason
#

Just wrap the planet in foil, duh

gilded mason
terse lava
#

The SOS would clearly beat the Banished if push came to shove

stable flower
#

Oh I was talking about when you asked if the SoS could take on the Banished.

gilded mason
unique rune
#

That could mean there's pro-human sub-factions in the Banished.
I mean. The Keepers were alright with humans.

craggy sierra
#

People seem to forget the Banished’s entire schtick is that they mostly got where they are with underhanded guerrilla warfare and not raw military force and that irks me.

gilded mason
#

Yeah

stable flower
#

Yeah, they're more of a quasi-paramilitary group.

terse lava
#

Pretty much

stable flower
#

BTW doesn't the Created only have a limited number of Prometheans?

gilded mason
#

Who knows what "limited number" means for them

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After all, the UNSC, Banished, SoS, etc also have a "limited number" of troops

fair hazel
#

knights are probably the most limited ones

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a few million knights

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crawlers can be built

barren ferry
#

Are thel vadam's shields in lore as durable as an Ultra's?

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adding to that, what elite rank has shields as strong as a SPARTAN-II's?

main hill
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I’m pretty sure Elite Minors have shields as strong as Spartan IIs after that Elite shields are stronger

barren ferry
#

Elite minors? no.

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im pretty sure its stated somewhere their shields are even weaker than MJOLNIRs

terse lava
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The equalivlent i have heard for many years is the shields of a major

barren ferry
#

Alright, then how strong are Arbiters shields compared to other Elite ranks @terse lava

terse lava
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Would say about that of a major as well based on gameplay

barren ferry
#

Lore wise

terse lava
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There is no lore wise

barren ferry
#

Gameplay doesn't really represent shield strength that well, so I'm wondering how strong it is in the lore.

terse lava
#

Nothing to use, the closest we can get is the armor itself, not the shields

#

His shields are not even mentioned in the books. So gameplay is it

main hill
#

Doesn’t the covenant usually give Arbiters outdated armor?

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Obviously the Arbitter probably upgraded after the war

terse lava
#

We know the active camo is ancient, but the armor itself is pretty sturdy. Ripa's armor was able to shrug off bullets from Sgt. Forge's pistol and assault rifle with no damage to Ripa himself

fair hazel
#

i am interested in his new suit

terse lava
#

I would imagine it is improved greatly

stable flower
#

I noticed the grunts in Julie's Covies are more respected.

humble yacht
#

“Throw the grunts out the airlock”

cedar surge
#

Most they get respected is in the SoS

stable flower
#

Oh I might've gotten it mixed up

quasi sun
#

hey i have an idea

hollow shale
#

what is the idea?

quasi sun
#

would any composer that still exists somewhere be able to fly over to high charity and zap the whole thing, resulting in the destruction of the gravemind, greatly weakening the flood as a whole, and also absorbing the information of every person it consumed?

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oh wait where is the gravemind now

hollow shale
#

I'm confused

quasi sun
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you know that huge thing that the Didact used to turn humans into his promethean soldeirs?

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the thing that turned everyone but cheif on ivanoff station to dust?

hollow shale
#

yeah..

quasi sun
#

what if you isolated the gravemind and went pew

#

it would turn it to dust, ("from dust, to dust") and all of the knowledge it once possesed would become digitised

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r i g h t?

terse lava
#

The gravemind's physical body is gone, but it's mind still exists. As for the composer, no, it couldn't do that.

hollow shale
#

No not really

quasi sun
#

time to go think of more ways to exterminate the flood

#

and uh cough cough cortana

terse lava
#

Truth be told can't really wipe out the flood, so long as a single flood cell exists

fair hazel
#

Because they believed them to be gods

misty hearth
#

they believe lighting the rings would start the great journey

#

the prophets suppressed what the rings truly did to hold onto power

#

huh

gilded mason
#

"Sentient" includes all animals, "Sapient" includes those with around-ish human intelligence and above. So Humans and aliens in the Covenant are sapient.

misty hearth
#

we are aliens to the covenant just as the covenant are aliens to humanity

#

the Didact is technically still "alive" in the domain

gilded mason
#

Yeah. There are living Forerunners if you include those that made themselves into digital beings

misty hearth
#

if u dont consider digital beings as being alive, then the answer is no

gilded mason
#

(And unknown if there are any non-digital ones alive.)

misty hearth
#

pretty sure theres none, unless they left the galaxy

#

but we would probably never know that

#

halos plot at the top is basic, stop the covenant and the flood

stable flower
versed helm
#

What is the current year in-universe?

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I heard it was 2561 or something

carmine sleet
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Halo Infinite takes place in 2560

versed helm
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And I'm still wondering about the epilogue for Reach, which jumped to 2589

carmine sleet
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So? Just because we're getting what we're getting in the games currently, doesn't mean that the epilogue of Reach can't happen

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Like, the time between 2552 (When the original trilogy, OST and Reach are set) and 2589 is a long time, allot would no doubt have happened

spiral jewel
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To go along with Slipstream... for all we know the Created could fall anywhere between 2561-2 and 2590. We simply don't know much at the moment

quasi sun
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I feel like halo is gunna be using the domain a whole lot...

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imagine if the gravemind got on the domain, lol

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(also btw there is still a composer on instalation 03)

cedar surge
#

you mean the one the infinity took and gave to invanoff station before halo 4?

quasi sun
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no that one got nuked by cheif

carmine sleet
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There was only one Composer on 03 (The one in Halo 4), the rest are at the Composer's Forge and I'm pretty sure got destroyed

limpid meadow
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Funny thing about that: when I got to visit 343 a few years back, the did a presentation on the Halo rings (this was eventually turned into a Lore Livestream the following year). During the internal presentation though, we were told that the Composer played a role in the operation of the Halo rings, which would imply that each Halo ring has a Composer.

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I sadly never got to follow-up on that though 😦

carmine sleet
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Huh, I must've missed that livestream. Hopefully you get a chance to follow up on that because that seems like it'd be very important for us to learn about

limpid meadow
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It wasn't mentioned in the livestream, sadly

carmine sleet
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Also raises the question of why the Ur-Didact specifically went for 03's Composer

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Ah, I see

limpid meadow
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And things could always change.

carmine sleet
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That is very true

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I mean, just look at the Anvil Initiative, ever since HO was originally cancelled, we thought that was not going to ever be proper canon but we now know it is thanks to what we learnt yesterday

limpid meadow
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Oh man, that was such a treat!

carmine sleet
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Aye, I can imagine

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I also like that the armour sets that differ greatly from their full production designs have a reason to exist as well

humble yacht
limpid meadow
carmine sleet
limpid meadow
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To be fair, it's Escalation. No need to keep that in your brain 😛

humble yacht
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Imagine lore buffs saying it’s ok to ignore lore

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
limpid meadow
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Not so much ignore so much as it's okay to forget a detail here and there.

humble yacht
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Smh

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Humans are such biased creatures

carmine sleet
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That we are

limpid meadow
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Sorry, I'll never miss a chance to take a dig at Escalation 😛

robust hull
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Is the didact in halo cryptum the didact in halo 4

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I'm not talking about iso-didact

limpid meadow
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He is, yeah.

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When the IsoDidact came into existance, the original Didact became known as the Ur-Didact (Ur meaning "original"). But in most canon, he's simply referred to as "The Didact".

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The Didact mentioned in the Halo 3 terminals is the IsoDidact, though.

steep ether
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i know what cryptums are, but what was their main purpose, and how many were there

humble yacht
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Meditation chambers, iirc

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For connecting to the domain

cedar surge
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stasis chambers

steep ether
#

also why are there blue promathions?

cedar surge
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that was before the didact put his control over them

humble yacht
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Technically they were originally orange lit. The blue theme occurred after librarian reprogrammed them

steep ether
#

oh

humble yacht
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Whether blue lighting is reflective of Lifeworker alignment or some sort of “guard mode” is unknown

steep ether
#

k tnks

main hill
stable flower
#

I always wondered why the Sentinels who are under the Librarians control are friendly to you but not the Prometheans when they're under her control.

steel ocean
#

Since I don't know where to say this, I'm messing around in Halo 2 right now and I just happened to see a poster that says "Planet Reach Catrastrophe" I just like finding typos in games

carmine sleet
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Aye, those happen

steep ether
steel ocean
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Ah okay thanks

steep ether
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yup

main hill
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You think a plasma flamethrower could be a thing?

cedar surge
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Wouldn't

main hill
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I mean is it possible

cedar surge
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Wouldn't that just be the fuel rod launcher for the hunters

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Thata just spraying plasma

stable flower
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Seeing how Marines catch on fire in Halogen, I don't think so.

main hill
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The fuel rod use some kind of incendiary gel, it’s not exactly plasma

cedar surge
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And they can spread plasma if your close enough

main hill
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The focus cannon is more like a plasma flame thrower

crude idol
#

Is Point of Light expected to have any connection with Infinite?

cedar surge
#

Well its before the created with AoS going against ONI

versed helm
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Is Christmas still celebrated in the Halo universe?

ocean ibex
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Yes

versed helm
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Because it would be funny to see an animation of a Grunt singing various Christmas songs while wearing a Santa hat

echo jay
#

How effective are bullets against personal shielding?

gilded mason
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It varies by a lot

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Some shields take a couple BR bursts, other can take five sniper rifle shots

echo jay
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What about, say, the shields of an elite minor?

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Or does that fluctuate too

gilded mason
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Yeah, it fluctuates between books

echo jay
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Ah okay

fair hazel
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probably safe to say even then not all armours have

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the same settings

main hill
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Is the covenant Weevil from the Halo 2 demo canon?

terse lava
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Of course

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Why...why would it not be?

main hill
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It was only in the demo of Halo 2 wasn’t it?

unique rune
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No. Weevil artillery guns appear in the final game.

nocturne owl
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why aren't space elevators given more protection? I mean they're easy prey.

versed helm
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Majors often are around double that, or at least 14 hits from 7.62

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I’d say it could also depend on the round. Wouldn’t be too outlandish to suggest certain bullets can increase kinetic energy that would seem impossible by our methods

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Halo’s sniper rifle is already borderline fantasy by how much punch it makes

stable flower
stable flower
versed helm
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Would Singapore in the Halo universe have a space elevator?

versed helm
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A meter-thick of concrete. A bunker buster, essentially

versed helm
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Considering how close it is to the Equator

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I.. dunno, depends how much slinging is involved, which is hard to tell with scifi like this

versed helm
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Are there any space elevators in Europe or North America?

unique rune
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why aren't space elevators given more protection? I mean they're easy prey.
...What kind of protection do you intend to use for something that size?

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Like you need to remember just how ridiculously large these things are.

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I really don’t think there’s a reasonable way to protect a gigantic tube hundreds of meters in diameter and extend many thousands of kilometers all the way into orbit.

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Other than, say, an orbital defense platform network to keep things out before they can cause damage.

tranquil valve
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Just look at ace combat 7’s space elevator

nocturne owl
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I mean in the event of a covenant invasion similar to the one on Corbulo Academy. A space elevator was destroyed whilst transporting innocents out.

carmine sleet
unique rune
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I mean in the event of a covenant invasion similar to the one on Corbulo Academy. A space elevator was destroyed whilst transporting innocents out.
Uhhh. Still really can’t do much about that.

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We’re still talking about a massive tube that’d be impractically large to protect in a reasonable manner outside of keeping the enemy out in the first place.

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It’d be like saying that a city is vulnerable to attack, which, yeah, obviously. But what are you going to do to protect it? Wrap it in an impractically giant energy shield?

carmine sleet
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I mean, an energy shield round a city is more practical than trying to come up with a way to consistently defend a space elevator from being destroyed

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Granted, still impractical but less so

nocturne owl
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Make it look inconspicuous

unique rune
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Did you miss the part where I said that these things have to be thousands of kilometers long to be useful

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There’s no way you’d make a space elevator inconspicuous

carmine sleet
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Aye, it'd be like trying to hide a skyscraper in a small village. Impossible to hide

nocturne owl
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I see

carmine sleet
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And you can't just use active camo or something to hide it either because it's both impractical to hide something like that and you kinda need to be able to see it so that someone doesn't crash into it

nocturne owl
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But does it have to be round in structure?

carmine sleet
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Yes

nocturne owl
#

with that said, I wonder how it works once the quarry goes up into space. Let say loading up men and equipment.

carmine sleet
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It's a large elevator

nocturne owl
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I mean do UNSC ships just connect to the elevator with some kind of tractor beam?

junior dome
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Tractor?

nocturne owl
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tractor beam as in the device that spacecraft use to attract an object from a distance. Most cases would be enemy ships.

unique rune
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Presumably they would dock with the station at the end of the tether.

dusty pier
rough hemlock
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^parallel parking a frigate must be hard

cedar surge
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They made every race

fresh hamlet
#

Is it ever explained why the unsc needs already existing humans to be spartans? I could imagine, considering that it’s almost feasible now, that cloning/designer babies would be possible in 500+ years. Also, if we have as smart of AIs like Cortana, why do we even use humans at all to pilot these suits of armor?

sleek kernel
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maybe because of rampancy

fresh hamlet
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Well AI is just code, so I imagine they could be easily replaced

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Though I guess cortana is slightly more complicated because supposedly she’s somehow created from Halsey’s dna?

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Still, I can’t see why we couldn’t just copy paste a ton of cortanas

unique rune
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Because Smart AI are expensive to create due to the circumstances of their creation

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As big as humanity's population might be, they probably don't have hundreds of thousands of brain donor candidates that they can just casually toss around

carmine sleet
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Don't forget the ethics behind turning someone into an AI once they've died. Wouldn't surprise me if there were big debates on that

unique rune
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Rampancy is also probably another likely factor considering the Spartan-IIs have been active in the field for like 4 times the service life of a typical smart AI, with plenty of invaluable experience that a short seven years wouldn't be able to build up.

carmine sleet
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Well, cloning a full human is illegal to be more specific, cloning organs such as the heart or lungs is fine so long as you're trying to save someone's life

sleek kernel
carmine sleet
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The precursors aren't coming back

craggy sierra
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I guarantee you they’re not

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What a great way to undercut the low level intrigue of your universe. Just make the plot into a battle against gods who made us as a hobbiest past time.

carmine sleet
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Ok, watched that video (For science!) and he doesn't say anything that really hints at the Precursors actually coming back. It's very much just a "Oh, they're coming back at some point. They're out there!"

main hill
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Technically Precursors are still around, isn’t their whole thing that the precursors that were left turned themselves into mist to run away, some escaping to different galaxies and then some of the mist turned into that the flood would be.

carmine sleet
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They didn't turn into mist, they turned into dust

main hill
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Dust, mist, tomato, tamato

carmine sleet
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There's a big difference between dust and mist

main hill
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I know.

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I’m just saying you get what I’m tryna say

humble yacht
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mist is a form of vapor

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like clouds but at ground level

craggy sierra
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Mist is just liquid dust

steep ether
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not really... mist is basecly large fog particals, dust is small fine particals of objects and dirt and stuff like that

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but i see the mist understanding(pun intended)

main hill
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Why we talking about mist vs dust you all know what I meant

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I think new alien species in halo would be cool

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Maybe some alien species we see that were never found and recruited into the Covenant

fresh hamlet
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Eh there’s a good bit of species already in the covenant

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It’d be hard to introduce a new one at this point of the series anyways

steep ether
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but that would be an retcon

main hill
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I meant to say that weren’t recruited into the covenant and I guess I typed to fast

steep ether
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i get that but 1: the covenant ended, 2: that would change the whole storyline.

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it would be like making the spartans AI

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unless they were never, EVER included in any info or events in the history of the halo universe

main hill
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I mean not really, it’s assumed that the Covenant stopped searching for new species during the Human-Covenant war it’s very possible that the Covenant just never came across them and so did the UNSC because they were focused on eachother

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Hell it would even make sense if Cortana didn’t know about them because the UNSC wouldn’t have known about them

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Like stuff like that happens all the time in real life.

craggy sierra
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You have to question what the introduction would do to the current framework of the universe. It’s already an incredibly densely layer melting pot as it is with politics and relations. Is anything benefitted from throwing more stuff out of nowhere onto this?

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Seems like it’d kinda distract from current going-ons more than anything

main hill
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Well let’s see, for one trying it would add something new to the game that’s interesting, it could pave the way to some new game mechanics, new weapons, and finding out information about the species in game which could be done without interrupting the story

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It wouldn’t be crazy to believe

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I don’t see how it would be bad

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It doesn’t have to take away from the story if done right

steep ether
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either way, the banished espestaly wouldent recruit an entire species that no one ever came across with, even the forerunners

main hill
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Who said they had to be Banished?

steep ether
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because theres only very small splinter fractions of the covenant

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also they would have to be from a diff galaxy

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which means they would be way more advanced

main hill
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Nothing implies that the Covenant scouted out the entirety of the Orion Arm or even the entire galaxy.

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It’s very possible that the Covenant just haven’t found a species.

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There’s nothing to imply they have found every species in the Milkyway or in the Orion’s arm

steep ether
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i understand ur theory but u cant just add a whole species and change the whole story line

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plus what role will they play in the game?

terse lava
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I would say its possible the Covenant have scouted other areas of the galaxy. First Strike after all shows us that Truth's orders for his 500 strong fleet were being communicated to ships around the galaxy

steep ether
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has the coveys ever even glassed anyone that wasnt in the covey or humans?

terse lava
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Warfleet comments that the Covenant had wiped out other species who attempted to stand in the way of the Great Journey

gilded mason
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Wonder what that was like

terse lava
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I assume races who would not let the Covenant get to Forerunner artifacts.

gilded mason
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Yeah

terse lava
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Perhaps they also worshipped the Forerunners, though in a manner that could not be reconciled like the War of Beginnings was. I am willing to bet some may have been wiped out for worshipping the flood

gilded mason
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That gets into the implication of them wiping out a load of species, which I'm not a fan of

terse lava
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I mean more severe ideals then just, "hey we use forerunner tech/don't use Forerunner tech"

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More "we worship the Forerunners as avatars of the Flood"

gilded mason
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I mean you using words like "some" as a subset of species eradicated, which would mean many species are now extinct.

terse lava
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Ah, was only implying a few

gilded mason
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Okey

terse lava
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Would be interesting in seeing stories from those times too

stable flower
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Would be interesting to see more stories from the early pre-UNSC and early UNSC times too.

terse lava
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Maybe?

ocean ibex
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You mean stories from our current time?

stable flower
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No, the Interplanetary War and associated conflicts

storm crag
#

Is there a downside to a more powerful personal shielding than simply resource/cost (I assume that's a factor)? odd question but I was flipping through here and saw a question that made me wonder

gilded mason
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Probably just that, yeah

storm crag
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gotcha

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a second question to go along with that would be, why didn't the lower ranking covenant also have more powerful shielding- would rank/honor/power have been a factor? just as only high ranking sangheili could wield energy swords?

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unless I have that mixed up

gilded mason
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Any military rank can use swords, but I imagine it's the same for them

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More resources for more powerful shields, so they save the big stuff for higher ranks guys

terse lava
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Beat me to it Ostral

gilded mason
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;)

terse lava
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I'll get you next time Gag-I mean Ostral

storm crag
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oooh! for some reason I thought only the high ranking ones could wield swords. thx

gilded mason
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You're probably thinkin' of civilians

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In Sangheili civilian life, only nobility can wield swords

terse lava
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Think it was also just an older lore thing as well...before comics and other media laughed at that

main hill
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I know energy swords among Minors isn’t really common

fierce egret
#

I'd love for half jaw to make some kind of appearance in the new halo but doubt it'd happen at all

cedar surge
#

Well Rtas is currently stroll on his manhunt for the prophets I think

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But if the arbiters needs him he will come back

gilded mason
main hill
#

You guys think we’ll ever see Sharquoi in a mainline halo game.

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I mean it’s not impossible to believe they may be on the ring in Halo Infinite considered the Sharquoi were used an altered by the Forerunners to fight the flood

cedar surge
#

Well seeing as how they are basically invulnerable to anything other than a nuke

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They might be extremely overpowered enemies to fight

main hill
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They actually aren’t invulnerable

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They just take a lot of damage

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The only reason they used a nuke to take out a hive was that there were so many of them it was pointless to try and fight all of them one by one

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In the Halopedia it says energy swords and sniper rifles as well as overwhelming fire can take them down

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It’s just that it’s hard to do that when there are 50 others coming at you too.

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I could see them being used as a boss battle of sorts

gilded mason
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My man Rojka killed 4 + "a heap" of Sharquoi solo. 👏

nocturne owl
#

How many graveminds are there?

gilded mason
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Unknown

nocturne owl
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ah I see. I'm trying to grasp how the flood works. If gravemind is killed, do all the flood forms drop dead or what?

gilded mason
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Nah, they simply become less coordinated without a central "brain" to direct them

oak beacon
#

i was reading ancilla's (forerunner AI for those who don't know) and question came to my mind tht they had AI constructs and they also had tech for storing personalities or a living beings and transferring then to other bodies ? cant they use those personalities as AI ?

ocean ibex
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Yes, however the process of creating ancillas is unknown

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We do know they had full sentience though

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Which is another question I have, is there any distinct differences between fully sentient and semi sentient AI’s?

oak beacon
#

also i just found out tht every AI no matter the faction was susceptible to rampancy and tht is something new to me

robust hull
#

What exactly is sangheli society like

limpid meadow
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There's technically only 1 Gravemind, as the central intelligence that we know as the Gravemind isn't restricted to a single body. When a Flood outbreak reaches a critical mass, a Gravemind is formed and it's connected to the Flood central consciousness, gaining all the memories and knowledge the Flood has previously accumulated.

cedar surge
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before the gravmind there is another flood type that rallies the flood. i think its called the flood abinmation

limpid meadow
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The Abomination is 1 type of Flood intelligence form that can form under certain conditions. Abominations form prior to the formation of a Gravemind at times when the Flood must remain mobile (if that's necessary).

cedar surge
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and abominations and gravminds are both keyminds

limpid meadow
#

Correct

remote spruce
#

The abomination also killed all my units

main hill
main hill
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So I’m reading up on it and apparently the Abomination is an evolution of the Juggernaut

cedar surge
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The juhgernahght showed up in Fireteam raven

limpid meadow
main hill
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From my understanding, Juggernauts are used when there is a proto-gravemind and then Abominations are formed for Keyminds

humble yacht
#

Juggernauts are advanced combat forms. Abominations are mobile coordinator units

spiral jewel
#

I could probably be dumb but was "Shadows of Reach" the first time where John-117 fights along side Spartan 3's? (If I read the latter half of the story correctly?)

steep ether
#

no

humble yacht
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I don’t think the Spartans that showed up were ever identified by generation

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They were wearing gen3 armor, Palmer included

steep ether
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they were 4s i think

main hill
limpid meadow
carmine sleet
steep ether
main hill
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Ah

steep ether
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i think HiddenXperia has a vid or two elaborating on juggernauts

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not sure 'bout abominations tho, only on all the gravemind forms in genaral

versed helm
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You may as well read the articles on Halopedia since Hidden uses them as his scripts.

humble yacht
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lol

terse lava
#

You're not wrong

versed helm
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The man doesn't even use an ounce of subtlety as he read aloud spelling and grammatical errors on several occasions too.

carmine sleet
#

Don't forget his unhealthy obsession with the Flood that somehow makes its way into all his videos

gilded mason
#

"Logic Plague seed"

ocean ibex
#

“Precursor’s grand plan”

shut dew
#

We'll see in November if 343 taking feedback from those people who probably don't know what their talking about influencers actually lowered the quality of Infinite's campaign. 100+ points if the flood actually shows up

main hill
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Not gonna lie

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I don’t see any other way where this doesn’t lead to the Flood showing up

#

Even if it’s not in the campaign fully, it’ll be in a post credit scene or as an update.

craggy sierra
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Why?

cedar surge
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Cause big bad flood amirite

#

Also ring has history of flood

craggy sierra
#

Flood are boring

#

They’d literally just do the exact same thing they were doing in the original trilogy in terms of narrative.

#

You can’t do anything new.

cedar surge
#

But lovecraftian

craggy sierra
#

So why bring them back besides just to pander?

cedar surge
#

"To test humanity"

craggy sierra
#

By what? Trying to consume us all and see if we survive?

#

Aka the exact same thing they were doing last time?

cedar surge
#

Don't really know exactly

craggy sierra
#

It’s a fight we canonically cannot win so all it would be is a death sentence to the galaxy.

cedar surge
#

I think its like Tryanids from 40k

#

If they ever win everyonr else loses

#

So they they don't

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Except they are totally scary and bad

craggy sierra
#

And in terms if the galaxy even if we do pull a victory through banding together or some cheesy anime bs like that you just invalidated the most interesting part of the universe by jumping over what should be decades if not centuries of political turmoil between races.

#

Just because “the space zombies brought us together”

#

There is literally nothing good or interesting that can narratively come from re-introducing them.

#

All they ever will be is nostalgia bait.

#

Cheap reminders of a grand threat we already beat.

#

If it were up to me I’d rather a cap just be put on that so people stop theorizing they’ll return every time 343 does something because they’re a threat worth re-introducing unless you literally just want to say it’s time to end the series.

cedar surge
#

Years of tension,hatred,war and strife gone cause of the flood

craggy sierra
#

Yeah that’d just undercut the most interesting aspect of Halo’s universe.

cedar surge
#

And everybody joins up in a army together endgame style to fight the flood like that one bad fake story leak

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Also

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"lovecraftian"

craggy sierra
#

Instead of complex nuanced story telling where we can both have allies and enemies in the races across space to examine the morale grey zones of ideologies, wars, and politics, you instead just have the space zombies show up and everyone just teams up to kill god together and peace rolls across the galaxy like it’s some cartoon.

cedar surge
#

And then when the flood is about to win

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The created come in and destroys them

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And everyone realized the created weren't such bad guys after all