#lore-and-universe

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terse lava
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Big and shaggy

main hill
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I like that the Banished made their own vehicles rather than just entirely just reusing old covenant vehicles like other factions

cedar surge
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Yea

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Its really makes them stand out

terse lava
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Uh...they literally use old tech

cedar surge
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Yea

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But they actually paint it,redesign it,armor it,or change it in some way

main hill
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But the blisterback,reaver,Marauder, and shroud are all completely original, banished vehicles

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Made by the banished for the banished

unique rune
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Still a bit grumpy that the Banished infantry in the Infinite demo mostly just looked like typical Covenant multicolor

cedar surge
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Well it looked like those were basic infantry

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The higher ranking brutes had new armor in red

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And in the toys there are new ranks and armor

gilded mason
main hill
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Weren’t brutes originally gonna have shields that could flip out, I wish I could show you what I mean because I am not referring to the old Elite shield concept

cedar surge
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You mean that shield wall in the demo?

main hill
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No

unique rune
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I can understand that. Technicolor would be best from a gameplay perspective.
Yeah, I get that it's more gameplay-friendly, it's just a bit... annoying that the compromise was made, because I really do like the Banished's aesthetic.

main hill
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Hol up I’ll send what I mean

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I wanna see the Banished make more use of exosuits

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The Breacher exo-suit and Decimus‘a eco suit are the only ones we know of and only one of em we’ve seen

sterile ivy
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How dose docter hasley loose her arm

main hill
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She got it cut off my Jul Mdama

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Right?

unique rune
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Amputated by Jul after a failed assassination attempt by Cmdr. Palmer

sterile ivy
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Sure I guess

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Why the hell is my name kind rabit

stable flower
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Rofl Halsey's arm was amputated because Palmer shot her once in the arm. I guess Ol' Julie's Covies don't know first aid.

gilded mason
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The damage might've been too extensive

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Explosive rounds, after all

unique rune
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Or they didn't care enough

gilded mason
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That too

unique rune
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Halsey's just another human to the majority of Jul's Covenant, why should they bother treating her in the first place?

cedar surge
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Or maybe they just don't know how to?

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She is the only human in the faction

gilded mason
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Nah, Covenant medical suites work well on humans

unique rune
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The basic concepts of it should largely be the same anyway
Considering how similar Covenant species are to a lot of terrestrial life

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Remove bullet, disinfect, patch it up, keep an eye on it to make sure nothing else goes wrong

main hill
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I mean the halo Magnum does have semi-explosive rounds and shoots a 50 AE round so I’m surprise the bullet itself didn’t blow her arm off honestly

fair hazel
cedar surge
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Anything is possible with neural physics

grand iris
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Are wounds like a symbol of pride for the Sangheili?

carmine sleet
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No

thin fossil
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Yeah its considered dishonorable to be wounded in combat

versed helm
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Indeed! ♪ Wounds show a lack of skill in Sangheili culture, rather than what we humans think of them as someone whose has been through a lot and came out on top. ♪

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I was under the assumption that Elites only discouraged the concept of treating wounds.

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They do. ♪

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While it isn't against their culture entirely, they don't like being treated by a medic. ♪

versed helm
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You don't have to sing every message.

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♪

main hill
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The VK78 Commando doesn’t look bad it’s just way too generic for halo.

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It looks like literally any gun you’d see in Titanfall or Call of Duty Advanced Warfare

versed helm
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I bet no one's ever heard of this argument before.

craggy sierra
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No, it’s truly a breath of fresh air.

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Should we also crack open a few more windows and discuss sprint while we’re here?

unique rune
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I mean I'd be lying if I said the VK78 doesn't remind me of the R-X01 assault rifle series from Titanfall/Apex Legends

pulsar grail
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What about from Destiny as well?

gilded mason
craggy sierra
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There’s a bit of early elite lore that just got yeeted and for good reason.

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Like suicide over not getting a promotion

gilded mason
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Yeh

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I'm glad 343 seems to be moving past that weirdness.

versed helm
paper coyote
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hello gamers

versed helm
paper coyote
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just played halo 4 infection yesterday for the first time in probably 5 years

craggy sierra
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It was apparently meant to be nordic culture as ostral is probably in the process of typing right now

gilded mason
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That part was actually from a misreading of Norse practices, I think.

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...yeah

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lol

versed helm
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Oh, wow.

gilded mason
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Like for the dishonorable wounds thing, Norse had that, yeah. I might misremember some of the specifics here, but it was because they wanted to get into their afterlife honorably by falling in battle. Dying from complications from unsophisticated surgery would ruin that. However once medical procedures advanced enough that death from complications became much lower, they were like, "Wow, I can live to fight another day? Great!" and stopped being against treatment.

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So if Sangheili were ever against medical stuff in the first place, it would be assumed to be early in their history, if at all.

versed helm
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I always thought that their principles were primarily inspired by Japanese culture. I suppose this information contradicts that belief.

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It's why I disliked them so much.

gilded mason
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Yeah, I think people just saw the word "honor" and immediately thought of Japan, and the fanbase just ran with it

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Doesn't help that the Japanese studio that did the Legends short "The Duel" injected their own style into it, which happened to be Japanese.

versed helm
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If I'm not mistaken, the Honour Guards wear armour that looks similar to sets worn by samurai as well.

gilded mason
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Yeah, I think that's like the one allusion to Japan that was out there.

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The rest is Norse, or Roman, or what-have-you.

versed helm
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Seems logical to me when considering the fact that they fight Spartans.

humble yacht
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huh?

versed helm
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People love to have historical empires combat each other in fictional settings.

humble yacht
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japan has a historical empire too, though

versed helm
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Yeah?

humble yacht
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just not sure what Spartans have to do with norse/roman history making more sense for elites

versed helm
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All right.

humble yacht
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it's not like ancient greeks and vikings ever fought in actual history. Vikings were centuries after the greeks

versed helm
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I am aware of this, lol.

vague scroll
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nothing wrong with having Sangheili take after Japanese culture, or any other for that matter - glad we have a nice mix to make them feel more fleshed out and a bit more 'alien' - up to you if you want that to be a pun or not

paper coyote
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alright halo plot badly summarized. space people with cool tech kill giant morphing squid monsters in a space gas cloud. oogie boogies attack the space people and make more oogie boogies. space people commit galactic genocide. space extremists decide they want more space people stuff, find hooman planets, space extremists hate on hoomans and are jealous they couldnt be number one. big death. some green dude does a bunch of stuff. awakens oogie boogie monsters, green dude does some more stuff, oogie boogies take over capital, hoomans side with four jawed space dinosaurs. aftermath. green dude in a capsule whatever will he do? oop orange light wake up chief! cortana has dementia. more stuff. orange robots. more orange robots that are not as satisfying to kill as space extremists, big orange dude lookin like a dark souls boss. boop nuke go boom. after aftermath. new breed of orange dudes appear. more stuff happens, blue thicc lady is evil

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giant robot space triangle faced monkey robots appear

eager pine
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I think I know why in the Snapchat filter there’s no hunters in it what if colony separated and made his own fleet with forunner tech

main hill
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I know the reason why the UNSC probably didn’t do this but what if the the UNSC used Tungsten instead of Titanium

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It has more than double the melting point

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So it would do relatively better against plasma

vague scroll
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because tungsten has a high mass index, making it very heavy in context of gravity

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titanium, especially ceramic titanium referred to as the UNSC's "Titanium-A" is formed from a mixture of metals and press-folded materials that make it far lighter and more durable for the quality trade off of using other materials

next fox
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How does an Abrams tank compare against a scorpion

humble yacht
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Titanium is also harder than tungsten, and when alloyed can maintain its hardness while reduced brittleness

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Coupled with the lighter weight, it’s better suited for armor

ocean ibex
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Wdym by, “harder”, because tungsten always has a higher PSI rating than every single titanium alloy

versed helm
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Which materials did the Covenant use for their armour plating?

frank current
vague scroll
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nanolaminate @versed helm

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let me be clear though - its a sci fi term derived from "nanolamination" which is a type of industrial process for material science. We don't know the actual composition of nanolaminate for the Covenant. Best to see if Installation 00 has anything on a theory for it since he's a self-identified material scientist as far as I'm aware. I imagine he has some kind of lore theory on Covenant armor make up or something like that.

versed helm
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Thanks!

vague scroll
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np

fair hazel
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A theory, nothing canon...

vague scroll
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canon has nothing in this circumstance, either fill it yourself or let the curiosity go - not much else you can do with it. But there's nothing inherently wrong with theorycrafting or fanfiction, its a part of the fandom experience - people are curious, they'll search for their own answers eventually.

versed helm
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Distant already highlighted that the information was theorised and not official.

terse lava
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Yeah, that's where most of thr fun comes anyway

humble yacht
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Ok tungsten is harder but it’s weight to mass ratio is still problematic for armor applications

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I imagine it’s high melting temp also makes it more difficult to forge

main hill
main hill
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It has so many layers of different layers at microscopic level nothing can exactly be identified

fair hazel
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I want people to make sure they don't take it too much as fact

vague scroll
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understood, apologies

eager pine
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Which is higher swarm lord or hunter captain?

humble yacht
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Isn’t swarm lord a mythic unit?

terse lava
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Think so

eager pine
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It is

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Just wondering cause hunter captains are I’m pretty sure a high ranking but yet experienced Mgalekgolo picked by colony and a swarm lord well seems to be the name and I’m pretty sure in halo 5 firefight it had zealots guard it

hazy summit
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You know why the brutes are big? because they eat World cusinese

mild tartan
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oh

stable flower
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I wonder if Ol' Julie's Covies knew about the Banished

carmine sleet
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Yes, they more than likely did given that the Banished weren't exactly in hiding

stable flower
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I just noticed that SoR has a Brute named Ballas xD

warm ridge
unique crater
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Do anyone know if I am on a ship or the covenant holy city starwars deathstar looking thing in halo 2 gravemind mission

tranquil valve
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It’s their city

humble yacht
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that level takes place on High Charity

unique crater
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High charity is the holy city?

tranquil valve
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Yeah

unique crater
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Funny like I died once in reach, never in halo 1 and like 25 times in halo 2

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Is halo 2 the hardest?

tranquil valve
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Halo 2 is considered the hardest

unique crater
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Yeah I figured

tranquil valve
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You can get softlocked by jackal snipers

tall cargo
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jackal snipers dont mess around in 2
they pop you no warning if you don't know where they are

unique crater
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Like the 2 mainly things I die to is the sniper jackals, trying to energy sword kill an elite and brutes charging together

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That was 3

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🤣

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Well mostly snipers and swordfighting elites

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Dont spoil now but I am super curious about what happens in halo 3 and 4

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Since the elites and brutes are killing each other

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Also we got an elite friend now, arbitor

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Do anyone know why there was a cutscene added in the new halo 2 before the original start cutscene when u start the game. The arbitor with golden armor talking to a human soldier about hunting down masterchief?

humble yacht
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to promote Halo 5

unique crater
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But what does it mean?

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Like what has it to do with halo 2?

humble yacht
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nothing other than framing the game as Thel having a flashback while talking to Locke

versed helm
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Spartan Locke wanted to be familiar with John's accomplishments and skill set, so he contacted his largest rival.

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Well, he was his largest rival, lol.

humble yacht
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those bookend scenes aren't even canon anymore

unique crater
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Okay but doesnt make any sense

versed helm
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Wait, really?

unique crater
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Since thel and locke havent been seen yet

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Thel=arbitor?

versed helm
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That scene takes place in the future.

tranquil valve
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It was to set up halo 5

unique crater
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I UNDERSTAND BUT WHY would they out it in halo 2 startscene, so confusing

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If it is a set up, put it in halo 4?

tranquil valve
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The halo 2 remake was the most recent game before halo 5

humble yacht
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H4 wasn't getting remastered

unique crater
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Ohhhhhhhh

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Ok

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Waaaaait

versed helm
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Why is it unofficial now?

unique crater
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Halo 5 is out?

versed helm
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The game released in 2015.

tranquil valve
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Been out for like 6 years

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Halo infinite is coming later this year

unique crater
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So halo 2 remake realeased before halo 5?

versed helm
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Yes.

unique crater
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So we had to wait 6 years for another halo game?

midnight loom
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Yup

unique crater
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And it's halo infinite

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The last halo to be made

midnight loom
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Its the last game

humble yacht
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it's not the last halo to be made

unique crater
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Why dont we have a game before reach?

humble yacht
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we do

versed helm
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Halo Infinite has been experiencing some development Hell. I believe that the entire story was re-written 3 years into the development cycle.

tranquil valve
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I think he means timeline wise

humble yacht
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we do

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timeline wise

midnight loom
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*confused screaminh

tranquil valve
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Oh wait yeah halo wars

versed helm
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Halo Wars 2 was the last title we received from 343i, if I am not mistaken.

unique crater
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Okay @humble yacht you know the whole halo world. How much percentage of the whole lore is covered in all the games we have today + infinite

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Your opinion ofc

humble yacht
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not much

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also

gaunt oakBOT
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Do not tag Admins or Moderators unless immediate action is needed. If you see anything that does not abide by these rules and guidelines, please tag a Moderator to bring it to their attention.

tranquil valve
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Books tell you a lot more about past events or characters

unique crater
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Oh so if u send a message, and I respond 5 hours later, I cannot tag u?

humble yacht
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not for something like that

midnight loom
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Bye

unique crater
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Welk that is a system I have never seen b4 in any server, but oj

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Ok*

midnight loom
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Well halo is special

versed helm
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Are there any books that focus on the Spartans affiliated with the Spirit of Fire?

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I can't seem to think of any.

carmine sleet
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No novels focus on the Spirit of Fire

humble yacht
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there might be a comic issue or two that focus on it

carmine sleet
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I know there's that one where Jerome, Anders and Serina deal with the Infection form, don't think there's anything else though

versed helm
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That's a shame, but thanks for the response.

main hill
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I feel like you could definitely balance out the Brute shot, plasma caster, and concussion rifle and have them all in the same game

steady iris
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For H2, is there a explanation on how Chief can just hold out his hand and Cortana can jump though it to a electronic but every mainline game, besides 5 he needs to insert/extract a A.I chip?

amber solstice
stable flower
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How is the Needler actually reloaded? In-game, you simply shake it a few times.

humble yacht
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The only time we’ve seen needle catridges is in CE. They’re oblong crystals that seemingly are loaded into the weapon and are transformed into the long spikes we see jutting out the gun

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And seemingly the gun fires off chunks of those spikes that get shorter as the gun fires

tranquil valve
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Needle rifle uses the same ammo and it puts a small canister into the gun like a carbine

cedar surge
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Saw a theory where they are gas until they are shot out

humble yacht
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doubt that

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the fact that solid crystals stick out the gun when its loaded suggests they're solid before they fire, so why go through a step of sublimating to gas and then resolidifying?

main hill
main hill
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The reason why this is a theory is because the needles is way too small to be firing the needles which are much larger. So it physically can’t shoot the needles with out something for the needle to fit in the chamber

humble yacht
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well the size of the projectiles for the weapons rarely seems to fit the size of the gun that fires them anyway

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have you seen spiker rounds? they're practically as big as the spiker

fair hazel
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They're also seen in halo 2 i believe.

main hill
humble yacht
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yes but that statement doesn't have a citation which means it's an assumption made by the article author

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it could also simply be an artistic oversight

fair hazel
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it says, may

signal osprey
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the arbitrer is stronger than master chief ???

craggy sierra
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I mean power comparisons aren’t a thing in Halo

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It’s not DBZ where they’re measured by their ability to throw spirit bombs

ocean ibex
gilded mason
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Maybe

cedar surge
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Arniyrr seems a bit bigger

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But chief has MJLNIOR

gilded mason
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And Thel might've upgraded his harness in the meantime. Though, of course, the main thing that would decide things is tactics, positioning, and weapons. Not physical strength.

cedar surge
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I think elites have lifted Spartans to kill them before right

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Oh yea

main hill
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In terms of strength Elites are as strong as Spartans this is a well known fact

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But that’s all they have that’s comparable to a Spartan, they don’t have the speed and nothing really enhances them

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It also depends on the elite

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Brutes are stronger than both

main hill
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I kind of wish we got to see more of the Brute fire grenade

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I hope it’s in infinite

gilded mason
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Hunters in the Dark shows the Elites on the SoS team able to run much faster than the Spartans

main hill
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I actually didn’t know that

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But I was kinda of more referring in terms of agility as well, with the phenomenon Spartan time I would say Spartans, at least majority of the time, are more agile and able to react quicker.

gilded mason
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Shadow of Intent kinda disputes that as well!

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Rtas and Tul have some extreme reaction time and physical speed during one scene

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A bunch of drones are shooting them with plasma pistols, and they are able to parry every single shot with their swords

main hill
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I stand corrected then

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You know considering the UNSC doesn’t put a lot of thought into human rights when it comes to the covenant I’m surprised they didn’t use white phosphorous as an incendiary weapon often, at least that I know of

cedar surge
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Probably did

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They had stockpiled of nerve gas in new mombasa

versed helm
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interesting

limpid meadow
gilded mason
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if the speed of plasma in-universe is anything like it is in game
That's pretty doubtful

limpid meadow
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I know, but still.

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Either way, I don't think Elites really stack up compared to a fully-armored Spartan. In some cases they seems to be near equal strength, but until we hear about whether Elites flipping tanks is canon (like it is for Spartans), I have doubts. Speed-wise, while Elites have some impressive feats, Spartans definitely outclass them.

gilded mason
terse lava
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When were Spartans flipping tanks a canon thing?

stable flower
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I always wondered. What if the Covenant discovered humanity during the Interplanetary War?

gilded mason
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Truth wouldn't be alive then, so if Mendicant Bias reveals stuff to the current hierarchs, they might react more reasonably

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And then humans get brought into the Covenant, possibly as a fringe species

stable flower
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I wonder if the Koslovics and Friedens would continue fighting over ideological differences or put them aside and work with each other and the UN.

terse lava
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I don't know about that Ostral. We saw how the closest Hierach of the era reacted to Fal caing bunk on the Journey.

gilded mason
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Though this time, it's MB saying the thing, not a heretical person/species

terse lava
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Hm, maybe, keep them as a fringe as you said then. Use them the same way as huragok

stable flower
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Or Yonhet

signal osprey
paper coyote
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Imagine how wholesome halo would be if humans were brought into the covenant

humble yacht
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Not wholesome at all

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Look at the keepers

paper coyote
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Who dem?

humble yacht
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Keepers of the one freedom. Look me up on halopedia

paper coyote
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Im too lazy

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

paper coyote
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I wish they would make like a forerunner melee weapon

humble yacht
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They have

paper coyote
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Nani

humble yacht
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Knight blade on UNSC weapons

paper coyote
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That look more like covie though

humble yacht
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It’s not

paper coyote
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Even if covie just forerunner reverse engineered

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Tell me about hunter variants

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Like "hunter ancient" or "swarm leader"

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They should have a mega hunter

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Just like the megamantis by hrunter/yggdrasil in that halo 4 map

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Ado! Ostral! Zeusygoosy! Time for a lore convo

carmine sleet
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HRUNTING and YGGDRASIL were both projects by the materials group that sometimes collaborated with one another on some of the things they made, such as the Mantis

paper coyote
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Also, why are there like 15 variants of the cyclops?

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Also also, why do normal police have access to cyclops with massive guns?????????????

cedar surge
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Well it Turns out nukes are not the best thing to quell riots with

versed helm
main hill
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The cyclops is a versatile mech platform

proven parcel
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Hi! I recently read through Shadows of Reach and really enjoyed it. Favorite after Contact Harvest. It's also the first Halo novel I've read since Silentium, which was also excellent.

What other Halo novels are on this level that I should read?

spiral jewel
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Even though they're classified as a pseudo Ursine Mammal, why do some of brutes look more like they're in the Hominid family (consisting of Humans, possibly the forerunners, Gorillas, and other large monkeys) than in the actual Ursidae family ?

polar snow
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What was the one Spartan that was fighting and adrenaline kept him alive and once it stopped he collapsed after being asked a question by some sergeant

limpid meadow
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Dante-G188, during the battle of Onyx. He took a plasma bolt and Needler supercombine explosion to the chest and still fought through it thanks to the Gamma company extra augmentations. Kurt-051 asking if he was okay, Dante said he's just been nicked, then he died on the spot.

polar snow
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Thanks a lot I was wondering about it

barren ferry
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and elites do in fact, stack up to a fully-armored spartan physically.

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its in experience where SPARTANs outclass most elites, and even then no guarantee.

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The only elites with shielding weaker than MJOLNIRs are Minors, the Major (I'm guessing) has equal to or slightly stronger shield strength, and all the other elite ranks have superior shielding.

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This also depends on the SPARTAN and Elite in question.

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Elite Minor vs SPARTAN-II? The SPARTAN takes it more often than not. Mainly due to the Minor's tendency to make tactical mistakes and very weak shielding, although he does have the Plasma Rifle.

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Elite Minor vs SPARTAN-III, I do give it to the SPARTAN, but he has to be a lot more careful due to his weaker shields and augmentations. 3's are weaker than Elites and 2's physically.

limpid meadow
barren ferry
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Halo Legends is of dubious canonicity.

limpid meadow
limpid meadow
barren ferry
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It's said on Halopedia (it's sourced, so don't even try the "wiki bad" argument), that an elite minors shielding is weaker than MJOLNIRs

versed helm
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What's the source for that information though?

limpid meadow
barren ferry
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I wouldn't put it past an Elite to do the same, considering how they can physically match SPARTAN-II'S.

limpid meadow
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Halopedia is a great source, but a lot of pages still have unsourced claims from the early days of the site.

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Some Elites can physically match Spartan-IIs in some cases.

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Still, given how often Spartans could outclass Elites, I think it's more than just experience and tactics that give Spartans their edge.

barren ferry
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MJOLNIR shielding definitely isn't as good as an Ultra's. And the elites for the most part, only match them in physical capability, the SPARTANs are just tactically superior to minors, majors, and in some cases, ultras or zealots.

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They're just about as strong as each other, so it comes down to combat experience.

limpid meadow
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Again, what are you basing these claims about shield strength on?

barren ferry
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Maybe it's the fact that for one, humanity, if I recall correctly, reverse engineered the energy shielding from covenant tech.

limpid meadow
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They did, from Jackal shield gauntlets.

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And Halsey claimed she improved on the technology, so what we'd really need is to see how strong the shield of a Shield Gauntlet is compared to Elite shields.

barren ferry
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Which would make that even weaker than Elite Energy Shields. From what I've seen and read from the lore, jackal shields aren't all that impressive.

limpid meadow
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They are impressive. Where did you read they weren't?

barren ferry
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I haven't really seen much of Jackal shields lore wise. Most of my memory of them is from gameplay, which I have no doubt they are stronger in lore, but I doubt they compare to an Elite Majors or Ultras.

limpid meadow
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If you go off gameplay, they would be at least as strong as Ultra shielding.

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They can deflect sniper rifle rounds, which Elite shields cannot

barren ferry
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Some elite shields can do so.

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Such as the Ultra, Zealot, or even Majors.

limpid meadow
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On certain difficulties in certain games, yes

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Major shields do not deflect sniper rounds

barren ferry
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I'm not really going to use gameplay much for the elites, they are pretty underpowered in them anyway

crude idol
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What are the chances that we ever see the Precursors in-game?

unique rune
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Outside of maybe a vague reference with the Flood

highly unlikely
at least I'd hope

limpid meadow
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Technically we have. The Flood are Precursors, the latest form of the Precursors. The Gravemind, too, holds the full, collected memories of the Flood, including the Primordial, meaning we've met that being in the games, too.

But as I'm sure you mean a pre-Flood Precursor, probably never, and that's for the best. They're beings that transcend the very universe.

terse lava
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Would say Spartans are equal to Sangheili majors in strength. I do recall back in the pre h3 days a claim that minors(and their shields) were weaker then a Spartan, butbsont recall a source ever shown

echo night
#

But doesn't the armor that the Spartans make the user considerably stronger?

humble yacht
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Yes but elite combat harnesses also enhance their strength and speed

#

Just not to the same levels as MJOLNIR does for Spartans. But if unarmored elites are stronger than unarmored Spartans at a base level then it probably balances out

echo night
#

That makes sense

terse lava
#

Mhm, we do see in FOR that a Sangheili Ranger was able to match chief in strength

echo night
#

So does the combat harnesses for the Elites get stronger and make the wearer stronger the higher the rank or are the Elites just super strong?

barren ferry
#

Combination of both.

#

the elites are already naturally stronger than SPARTANs assuming both are out of armor, maybe the combat harness doesn't augment them as much as MJOLNIR, but its enough so that they are pretty much equal.

paper coyote
#

but arnt spartans bones and stuff stronger because of augmentations?

limpid meadow
#

Stronger than a normal human, yes

#

Precisely how Spartans and Elites stack up is, as you can see, hotly debated.

paper coyote
#

elites are probably slower because of how chonky they are compared to humans

terse lava
#

Hardly, they are quite nimble and fast

#

Where did you get the idea they are re chunky

paper coyote
#

halo 5 kelly kills the zealot during the raid on jul mdama

terse lava
#

Both 4 and 5 portray the Sangheili poorly

barren ferry
#

Especially when you consider how their legs are shaped

barren ferry
terse lava
#

Just have to look at the books to see how strong and fast a Sangheili is

barren ferry
#

Those elites were spec ops even

#

Yet the elite minors in Halo CE are more challenging and skilled than they are.

#

They're just so clumsy and easily outmaneuvered

#

in halo 5 especially, sometimes the elites brains just shut off entirely and they stand there like statues until it's too late

#

I just love how Jul is the Supreme Covenant Leader, the one thing holding them together, and he only has 3 spec ops elites guarding him.

#

no sniper jackals, no grunts, just 3 elites.

#

i'd have at least an entire battalion of elites (minors, majors, spec ops, ultras, doesn't matter) guarding me if I was Jul.

gilded mason
#

Here's a few Elite strength feats that were previously noted. Though we don't have too many examples since not many books give them a chance to shine:

  • Henry punching a metal wall (while naked) so hard that it dents
  • An elite tossing Adriana across the room
  • An elite kicking a metal door with it flying into Jai and knocking him back several centimeters
  • An elite denting a seraph by shoulder charging Adriana into it
  • An elite kicking a 15ft Sharquoi off a ledge
barren ferry
#

as well as swatting away that infection form with a cricket bat

humble yacht
gilded mason
#

I wouldn't say that's too impressive, strength-wise, compared to others.

barren ferry
#

a SPARTAN-II mind you, so elites do stack up to SPARTANs

gilded mason
#

Though I'd call tossing Adriana across a room, who weighs possibly half a ton (same as Jai), as more impressive

humble yacht
#

In armor, half a ton plus some change

barren ferry
#

I thought spartans weighed a full ton?

humble yacht
#

MJOLNIR has always been about 1000 lbs

#

Half a ton

barren ferry
#

and thats in armor right?

humble yacht
#

That’s the armor alone

gilded mason
#

Yeah

humble yacht
#

A spartan themselves probably weighs between 200-300 lbs, so add that to 1000

barren ferry
#

1,300

#

still aint a ton

humble yacht
#

Like I said, half and some change

#

Imagine trying to lug around MJOLNIR without the force enchancers

barren ferry
#

So while we do know how badly john did against a brute hand to hand, imagine how screwed a normal human would be against one in a fist fight

humble yacht
#

It’d be like driving without power steering

barren ferry
#

I'd honestly say Brutes to SPARTANs/Elites are a Wookiee to a human

echo night
#

We saw sergeant Johnson try to punch a brute in Halo 3 but nothing happened and he was a Spartan 1. That just puts into perspective how strong the Brutes were.

barren ferry
#

i also put the brutes melee strength to 105 in odst, and that lets him kill me in one hit

fair hazel
#

Wasn’t an elite kicked back 50 meters by a spartan in melody’s book.

#

Ti 105? What does that mean

#

Oh percent

barren ferry
#

brute stats in halo 3 are typically in the 20's-30s

#

the player's melee as master chief is 100

fair hazel
#

Orion candidates are definitely not super augmented

barren ferry
#

i'd say they somewhat are

humble yacht
#

Not really

#

Augmented, yeah. Super? No

echo night
#

In the expanded lore, a brute shouldn't have much of a problem killing a marine or ODST with their fists, some brutes could even win against a Spartan as seen with Atriox in HW2, although probably very few

barren ferry
#

Brutes would easily win against SPARTANs hand to hand

#

If we're talking pure muscle strength

echo night
#

Most brutes are strong but probably not strong enough to break through titanium and energy shields fast enough to kill a Spartan with their bare fists

stable flower
#

About the Banished's anti-humanism, I think there are sub-factions that hate humanity while others are accepting of them.

terse lava
#

Perhaps

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It would be believable to an extent, seeing as the Covenant itself was crazy vast with likely different cultures

barren ferry
#

Not to mention SPARTAN armor isn't one solid piece, so there is that

limpid meadow
gilded mason
#

Yeah.

limpid meadow
#

I can see him having problems with specific humans or human groups, or even the whole UNSC, but Humanity as a species? That's a bit too much.

gilded mason
#

Maybe it's canon that he mentally degrades lol. Comic -> HW2 -> Infinite has him getting weirder and weirder.

barren ferry
#

I have low hopes for infinite now

#

Imagine removing color customization

#

This only tells me that they haven't learned from their mistakes, and are taking 4 steps backwards

terse lava
#

Try waiting on playable Sangheili for almost a decade

gilded mason
#

🤞

craggy sierra
#

Oh no, they’ve decided to make a model that gives everyone free gameplay updates for a decade but has some monetization. The monsters.

terse lava
#

Eh get my Sangheili back, I'm happy

carmine sleet
#

What does armour customisation changing have to do with the lore?

craggy sierra
#

Nothing

stable flower
terse lava
#

Agreed

#

Admittedly they wod have to do that, but should have made it to where only Atriox's underlings were the ones hating

cedar surge
#

Oh yea what happened to putting aside petty things

terse lava
#

Petty things?

paper coyote
#

with his magic force powers to flip vehicles that are upside down

ocean ibex
terse lava
#

Not an elephant

crude idol
#

Thanks for your thoughts @limpid meadow. It still stings a bit that we haven't seen more of the Forerunners in-game to me. I always wanted to discover them, still living somewhere back in the day.

next fox
#

How do strength amplifiers work in general, do they inject stuff into the person or is it completely different from what I think it is

echo night
echo night
eternal magnet
gilded mason
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What would that have to do with Atriox?

eternal magnet
#

atriox's bloodline may have led to the species of "brutes" (i forgot the name) that interacted and had conflict with humans

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maybe they are being fed propoganda from a higher position

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like the new covenant

gilded mason
#

Why would Atriox base his interactions on something that happened hundreds of thousands of years ago?

eternal magnet
#

dunno

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wait why am i named happy sloth

terse lava
#

Ancient humanity would have nothing to do with it. As for the Jiralhanae and Atriox, it's likely purely due to the events at the arknticked him off enough

gilded mason
#

it's likely purely due to the events at the arknticked him off enough
Which is weird, for his supposed character

cedar surge
#

Oh potential allies that also hate my enemies that could help my growing empire? Nah wait they are humans nevermind

main hill
#

The Banished were cool when they were the Banished

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Now they are Jul Mdama’s covenant but brutes

echo night
#

He probably hates humans because they killed his "brothers". Isabel tells us that the covenant sent them in as expendable troops to be killed by the Humans in the Human-Covenant war, so Atriox still probably has that resentment towards humanity

gilded mason
#

Elites did that too, and he is perfectly fine with them

main hill
#

There was no real reason for them to retcon the Banished’s view on humans

terse lava
#

They need an enemy

echo night
#

Atriox probably views the Humans as a potential threat so that might be a reason

gilded mason
#

He'd have greater reason to view Elites as threats

#

There's simply no rational reason why he'd treat humans worse than elites

echo night
gilded mason
#

Elites have their own personalities

main hill
#

Yeah but they could still be enemies with the UNSC and still not have a hatred toward humans specifically

echo night
#

The Elites probably had to gain Atriox's trust to be included in the Banished and Atriox just does not trust humans as much

main hill
#

Hell they worked with syndicates and insurrectionists before the retcon.

gilded mason
main hill
terse lava
#

Yeah, he was perfectly fine with the Silent s
Shadow joining him

echo night
main hill
#

He also allowed Let’ Volir to join him and all Let’ Volir did was offer his ship

terse lava
#

Yep

#

Heck, the comic series shows he even had Sangheili before Let and his crew joined up

main hill
#

Atriox wasn’t the type of guy to let the past phase him

echo night
#

Maybe Atriox just does not like humans

main hill
#

If someone wanted to join he’d let them join

#

As long as they have something to offer of course

echo night
#

From a creative standpoint, there just has to be some kind of conflict

gilded mason
main hill
#

Again he just has to hate the UNSC not the human race as a whole

#

The Banished had worked in human insurrectionists and syndicates

#

But it was retconned

terse lava
#

Meanwhile the Keepers have human forces

main hill
#

Yeah

terse lava
#

Personally find it kinda funny how ultra is apparently a rank in the Banished

main hill
#

I don’t really see why it wouldn’t tbh

cedar surge
#

The rank system is already there

#

Don't fix it just add new stuff

#

Like the elite warlord

main hill
#

I think Elite Ultras are cool

#

I wouldn’t wanna see em go

cedar surge
#

Or grunt conscript

main hill
#

I wanna see cannon fodder be an actual rank

cedar surge
#

I just said grunt conscript

main hill
#

Is a grunt conscript cannon fodder?

#

I thought it was just because they were grunts from another brute splinter faction that was absorbed into the banished.

#

At least that’s the running theory

#

The only rank that wouldn’t make sense in the banished are Zealots

#

And even then they could explain it by saying they are Zealots from another group absorbed by the Banished, at least of the Banished allow covenant splinter groups that still believe in the great journey

#

Do you think there is a lot more weapons the Covenant has that we just haven’t seen

gilded mason
#

Yes.

main hill
#

The Kraken would’ve been a better vehicle if it had pulse lasers or plasma torpedoes rather than just being a platform to put AA-shade turrets on.

#

In general the Kraken was a cool idea but it was very poorly executed

stable flower
grand iris
#

What's the possibility that Blue team by the events of Infinite would need more Spartans again and absorb Lucy-B091, Tom-B292, Ash-G099, Olivia-G291 and Mark-G313 into the team again?

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
main hill
#

Halopedia marks it as a siege tower but I don’t see how it could be used as a siege tower

#

And it being a siege toward means it’s definitely supposed to lead the charge, that and that was what it was doing in halo 5, leading the charge.

tardy slate
main hill
#

Na it kinda sucks

main hill
#

Do you think Plasma torpedoes could be modified to be used for missile artillery or as an air strike.

#

I say missile artillery because I’m sure the covenant had a ground vehicle big enough to have plasma torpedo silos, hell I’m pretty sure the scarab or the kraken could be armed with plasma torpedoes if the covenant wanted to

paper coyote
#

plasma is just excited ions you cant really store it in the literal sense, considering its thousands of degrees

tranquil valve
#

So does the mjolnir suit actually do you know what to master chief?

#

Like I said I’m not big in lore outside the games

humble yacht
#

no

main hill
empty sun
#

can someone tell me what is on page 118 and 119 of the halo graphic novel? i dont know if im dumb or what

ocean ibex
#

Which graphic novel

paper coyote
#

halo mythos?

unique rune
gilded mason
#

It's very ambiguous

unique rune
#

All Halopedia has to say on it is... uh.

An unknown Covenant soldier in a dark environment. Possibly a Hunter or an Elite of some sort.

main hill
#

Hunter variants would be really cool to see in halo infinite

cedar surge
#

Goliath

tall cargo
#

Considering the nature of the lek'golo im not sure how variants would work
Cause when a colony of them gets big enough it splits into two or something like that, which is the reason why hunters are deployed in pairs
And one hets real angry when its brother dies

main hill
#

No I mean stuff like, flame thrower hunters and heavy machine gun hunters

#

Stuff like what you see SPV3 or Halo Reach evolved

terse lava
#

I could see some variants with a type of heavy needler or something similar

craggy sierra
tall cargo
#

Oh thats right

#

Hm

terse lava
#

To be fair, only one scarab type uses them

stable flower
#

I wonder if the Banished managed to cleanse the Ark of the Flood by SoR

terse lava
#

Likely the sentinels managed after the proto died

stable flower
#

Hope no Flood spores followed Atriox through the portal

terse lava
#

Doubt they could survive

versed helm
#

So whatever became of the ISS in the Halo universe?

terse lava
#

Would have burnt up in atmosphere by the settings time

tall cargo
#

I feel like even if it was still in orbit, it probably would have gotten deaded by the covenant

versed helm
#

I would've imagined that it was decommissioned at some point and I wouldn't be surprised if a piece of it ended up in the Museum of Humanity

main hill
tall cargo
#

Cas?

unique rune
#

The Resplendent Fervor in the Legends short The Package is shown separating its hooked bow from the rest of the vessel, so it’s at least safe to say some examples of the CAS-class have that function.

#

It might be a feature unique to certain patterns of the CAS-class but there’s not really any info on those specifics.

main hill
#

Weird

main hill
#

The Chopper or the Ghost?

terse lava
#

What about them?

main hill
#

Which one is better

terse lava
#

Depends, ghost is more nimble while the chopper can deal more damage

versed helm
#

Ghost, because you’re less likely to kill animals in the driveway

paper coyote
#

Hunter ancient, swarmlord, hunter elder, hunter ultra, Golden hunter(halo 3 odst), Remnant hunter, those massive hunters from the duel(halo legends), banished hunter, bloodfuel hunter?,

versed helm
#

So how many Marathon cruisers are left in the UNSC Navy post war?

#

I have to admit, the Marathon cruiser is one of my most favorite ship designs

ocean ibex
#

We don’t have an exact number, it’s likely in the low hundreds

cedar surge
#

Yes it can split

#

The part where the top half meets the bottom half is where it splits

main hill
#

How big do you think the Banished is manpower wise

craggy sierra
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

main hill
#

Under barrel grenade launcher attachments would be cool for halo

carmine sleet
#

They exist in universe, we just don't get to use them in the games

main hill
#

I know, I mean I’d like to see em in game

#

You could balance it by giving the grenades a smaller blast radius but do a lot more damage from within that radius than the regular drag grenade, you should also be able to have a longer range with shooting the underbarrel grenade launcher then you can throw a frag. They could do more damage to vehicles if you hit them directly. The under barrel grenade launcher takes up the grenades spot and you can only pick up frag grenades which for gameplay mechanics are why are used to regain under barrel grenade launcher ammo or you can get them from ammo crates. My thinking is that it will be futuristic underbarrel grenade launcher that fits 4 grenades in a shotgun like grenade launcher, basically like the grenade launcher from aliens. So the advantages are, more damage,range, and grenades but the disadvantages are less variety of grenades,smaller blast radius, and you can’t bounce the grenades off of angles to get at enemies behind cover.

carmine sleet
#

So I just spam four grenades at an enemy and kill them very quickly then

main hill
#

Who said you’d be able to just fire em all quickly, it’s like a shotgun you gotta pump it first before you shoot again

carmine sleet
#

You could still spam them

#

Plus, if they deal more damage than normal grenades, people would just go for body shots all the time with it

main hill
#

And that wouldn’t exactly be unbalanced tho. It’s like a pump shotgun you gotta pump after every shot, the best example I’m thinking of mechanics wise is the China Lake from Call of Duty black ops where you pump slowly you can’t just spam grenades.

carmine sleet
#

Why would I ever want to use normal grenades? Why would I ever use a version of a weapon that doesn't have the grenade launcher attachment?

main hill
#

More variety, easier to pick up different grenades, you aren’t limited, grenades still have advantages, you don’t have to switch back and forth from grenade launcher back to your weapon, and you can get enemies behind cover

cedar surge
#

I think tthe banished is from a few hundred thousand strong to a million?

main hill
#

Oh yeah and grenades or considerably more forgiving

#

As if you miss you can just keep shooting

carmine sleet
# main hill More variety, easier to pick up different grenades, you aren’t limited, grenades...

There was never anything hard about picking up grenades in any of the previous Halo games. You would be limited as you wouldn't be able to use traditional grenades in the way you proposed it. The only advantage is a larger radius in your ideas, which isn't good if there's a grenade launcher mounted onto another weapon that deals more damage, people would just go for the body shots with it all the time. And you can get enemies from behind cover with normal grenades anyway

main hill
#

No I said the grenade launcher would have a smaller blast radius I also said it uses impact grenades so it can’t really effectively get people behind cover and I really don’t see the issue of people using body shots to kill people that’s already a thing you can do with the halo reach grenade launcher and it’s not like your gonna be able to run into a group of four with thing and win because you can just spam grenades

carmine sleet
#

You said it would have higher damage than normal grenades

#

The reason the Reach Grenade Launcher works is because it's a power weapon, not an attachment

main hill
#

If you want more balancing then how about this in terms of grenade pick ups, when you pick up a frag grenade there’s only a 50/50 chance the grenade you picked up counts toward your under barrel grenade and if you have a full 4 grenades you can’t pick up more until you’ve used all your grenades

main hill
carmine sleet
#

Didn't need to tag me and the smaller blast radius doesn't mean it's more balanced, the higher damage would mean it kills faster than normal grenades. People would just open up every fight and try and get an easy kill

main hill
#

You can do that with regular grenades though and it’s easier because they have a larger blast radius

#

Hell I know I’ve done that before with regular frag grenades

carmine sleet
#

They're not something you launch from a weapon and are more skillful to use than a noob tube on the bottom of a rifle

versed helm
#

Since humanity managed to colonize the Galilean moons of Jupiter, how do they deal with the radiation of Jupiter?

#

Or did the Forerunners do something to minimalize the radiation from Jupiter when they controlled the Sol System?

paper coyote
#

I would hate having barrel attachments would take away from the quality, for me at least, besides, theres already a grenade launcher

#

game should be nice a simple with smooth gameplay but diverse enough

slim thorn
main hill
paper coyote
#

ngl banished are probably a lot weaker because they dont have the prowess of trained covenant soldiers

cedar surge
#

Well

#

A lot of the banished is former trained covenant soldiers

gilded mason
#

Many are previously Covenant soldiers

#

Yeah that

cedar surge
#

There would be millions to billions looking for somebody to work for

gilded mason
#

And they choose one of the dumbest warlords smh tbh fam

#

(Not as dumb as Luro, though)

cedar surge
#

Who is luro?

gilded mason
#

Thel 'Lodamee's old fleetmaster

humble yacht
#

Good ol’ Thel lodamee

#

He should come back and finish what he started

cedar surge
#

Plus the banished is going from ramshackle pirates to another established empire that won't get wiped out for a while

#

So i think they got everything they need

paper coyote
#

during the raid to get halsey

terse lava
#

Maybe Lodamee leads his own faction now

paper coyote
#

maybe he gon actually join forces with chief in fighting cortana

#

and the red dude who hated chief gon be like the new arbiter

#

and the infinity gets destroyed

#

and frederic dies

#

and the red dude and chief are back to back a new duo and arbie is a duo with locke

#

and arbiter perishes in a massive ship battle against the banished

#

and the red dude gets injured and chief has to take on atriox by himself

cedar surge
#

What fanfiction is this

paper coyote
#

btw what happened in halo wars 2? i havent even made it through the first part

cedar surge
#

Also who was red dude

#

Oh its basically

paper coyote
#

thel lodamee

cedar surge
#

The spirit of fire ends up at the ark,wages war with the banished,and Andres leaves on a ring leaving the ark

paper coyote
#

the yellow dude luro

#

andres the ai correct?

cedar surge
#

No

#

She was the scientist

paper coyote
#

the one with the gremlin in halo wars 1?

cedar surge
#

What

#

She was the scientist stationed on the SoF

paper coyote
#

the jammymajig vehicle with the yellow windshield

#

what happens to atriox and decimus and shipmaster dude?

#

and all the forces?

unique rune
#

those sure are words strung together

paper coyote
#

"With his Mjolnir armor on, Chief can get up to 60 miles per hour."

#

"Doom Eternal like Classic Doom (49.5 mph speed, No Glory kills, No Jumps, No Dash)"

#

we did it boys

cedar surge
#

To answer your question

#

Atriox came back from the ark in SoR and left his personal banished army at the ark

paper coyote
#

halo 4 be like green lights and purple, halo 5 be like blue lights and purple

terse lava
#

Yes, the color there can denote the Age the vessel was made in, or just the ship/fleetmaster's preference

main hill
versed helm
#

That was also from being caught in the missile blast

#

Which made all of his muscles scream in protest

main hill
#

So given the fact we are facing the Banished in halo infinite it’s a safe assumption the Chopper will be coming back, now assuming some things from Halo 5 will be returning to halo infinite for this case vehicle variants, what do you think would be cool chopper variants to see

tranquil valve
#

It’s probably just gonna be the sword temple and ultra versions of a chopper

#

Hopefully that’s not the case but I also don’t want them going overboard with the variants

fair hazel
#

I hope they do return. Also sword variant doesn’t make much sense

#

They’re banished vehicles not sangheili ones.

#

I can imagine high explosive rounds with more kinetic force variant or maybe one with some different type of grenade launcher?

main hill
#

Which was better? The Elephant or the Mammoth?

terse lava
#

Likely depends on the situation

main hill
#

Ngl I feel like the Mammoth does what the Elephant did just better.

coarse trail
#

The Mammoth is better than the Elephant

#

Just not as memorable imho

main hill
#

Yea

terse lava
#

Well the elephant is likely more useful as it is small enough to be deployed in various areas

main hill
#

That is a good point

#

You can definitely get the Elephant in more places than the Mammoth

hasty idol
#

For the record, the mammoth and elephant seem to have different mission profiles

#

I mean... I’m pretty sure the elephant is a recovery/salvage vehicle, while the Mammoth is a mobile FOB

main hill
#

They have different mission profiles, the Mammoth being a weapons platform and the Elephant being a recovery vehicles, but if you take them both down to their bare bones and how we tend to see them deployed, they are essentially massive troop transports.

hasty idol
#

They are meant for different scenarios, so while they could be used in the same manner of usage, ground based mass troop transports, we see that the Mammoth would probably provide a safer journey and inspire more fear into enemies, while being a bigger target, while the elephant was open and didn’t give you much room to hide

main hill
#

The mammoth also provides fire support

hasty idol
#

Mhm

cedar surge
#

The gun can't aim down though

hasty idol
#

Yep

#

Well... it technically can... just the velocity of the projectile is so great that it basically goes in a straight line. At leazt I think it’s a projectile like the Gauss gun...

fair hazel
#

The mammoth is a siegeworks platform.. targeting orbital positions too.

humble yacht
#

The mammoth has better offense, better defense, and probably better mobility

#

The elephant is a joke by comparison

#

It’s basically a meme

fair hazel
#

More resources and can be deployed in less locations and different purposes and times to be used too...

main hill
#

I kinda assumed the Mac cannon on the back could somehow be used as artillery ngl

humble yacht
#

I don’t think it can aim down

main hill
#

No I mean I thought it was artillery, like the Kodiak.

fair hazel
#

It can’t aim too low but it can hit stuff

#

Also elephant has crane

cedar surge
#

So it can be like the cobra and batter ships in orbit

main hill
#

Yeah

#

I mean the Halopedia says it can do damage to warships

main hill
#

Why didn’t they use stuff like Onagers more for last ditch planetary defenses, feels like they would’ve been useful

terse lava
#

Would have just been zapped immediately

main hill
#

Not if you got defenses for em and got a bunch of them. I bet if you had enough of em you could hold off a covenant ship for lil bit, buying time to evacuate people

#

Especially if you got em controlled by AI.

stable flower
#

I'm dying to know what the CMA's soldiers look like

slim thorn
main hill
#

This is gonna weird thing to say

#

But you know how in the military they draw sharks and stuff on vehicles

#

What if the brutes did that on some of their vehicles except it was species of animals from Doisac

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I mean it says on Halopedia that some brutes would decorate their choppers.

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I also think it would be cool if Marines from the UNSC had trinkets and such on their armor sort of like GIs from the Vietnam war

hasty idol
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In lore, like books, I think that happens. But it’s pretty hard to implement that into a game

main hill
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Yeah obviously too many AI, a lot of extra coding, but a guy could dream

terse lava
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Its known they carve forerunner glyphs into the seraph fighters they pilot so quite likely

main hill
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Weren’t brute seraph fighters a lot more dangerous than elite seraph pilots because of the brutes pack mentality while elite pilots tended to think of piloting as a means lot end of getting a position to fight on the battlefield

terse lava
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The Jiralhanae ones were considered more dangerous as not only did they stay together, they used the pain from the neural link to focus more

nocturne axle
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I have a question that lore people should answer for me. do you think that noble team was hunted down by the one elite that is seen sniping kat/fighting emile(not killing)/and killing noble six?

main hill
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I’ve heard this theory and I kinda doubt it because if it was an elite actively trying to hunt down Noble Team they wouldn’t have stopped at just Kat they likely would’ve at least tried to take out Noble 6 there and then

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And I’m not talking in general I’m talking within that cutscene

nocturne axle
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all i heard is that there was(well, will be because its future) an elite zealot group who was tasked with killing the whole team. Luckily though, they didnt get Jun and he was in another halo

main hill
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I very highly doubt that was the case

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You know I wouldn’t be surprised if the Covenant put bounties on Spartans or certain UNSC personnel sometimes like what happens in the Middle East when certain terrorist groups put out hit rewards on American Special Forces

nocturne axle
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I mean, its not far fetched. The covenant were simalar to the .

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UNSC in a lot of ways

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And spartan headhunters were a thing, so why not elite covenant kill groups

terse lava
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I believe the game implies the field marshal who fled was the one to take down Kat and later took on Emile and 6

main hill
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Maybe

terse lava
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Makes sense, otherwise why have him flee and Jun not take him out? From a narrative standpoint looks to be he was kept around

main hill
# nocturne axle I mean, its not far fetched. The covenant were simalar to the .

The Silent Shadow and Blood Stars were covenant special forces specifically created to combat Spartans but it wouldn’t surprise me if they put bounties on Spartans or UNSC Personnel just to give extra reason for others to specifically target that individual if the Prophets deemed them specifically to kill a specific individual

terse lava
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While they were used for that, nor why they were created

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Least the Silent Shadow

remote spruce
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darn no embed, oh well hope tankmaster rok appears too

carmine sleet
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That's a gif of Halo Wars 2 gameplay, not a leak of anything

gilded mason
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...He knows.

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(The page also has the title "How to properly play Halo Wars 2" in full view, so)

humble yacht
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No leaks, real or fake

main hill
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My sources: trust me bro

remote spruce
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false, Microsoft would have to get the UNO license, they ain't that high budget

tall cargo
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I thought emile was killed by a zealot-

humble yacht
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He was

main hill
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He was indeed

fair hazel
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Well you could argue his lack of awareness and behaviour killed him.

humble yacht
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Emile suffered the fate of all edgelords

paper coyote
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did you know....the halo 2 beam rifle is actually a newer variant than the ones from the new halos

versed helm
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The Neo-Covenant uses older models of the beam rifle?

unique rune
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Jul's faction used an older model, yes.

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Or at the very least newer to humanity.

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The model used by the original Covenant (H2/3) was designated the Type-50, while Jul's Covenant and other remnants used the Type-27.

versed helm
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I suppose that emphasises the idea of them being scavengers.

paper coyote
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no they just prefered it more

unique rune
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Uh.
And what's the source on that...?

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Blast. Local library system seems to have taken their copy/copies of the H4 visual guide out of circulation.

paper coyote
unique rune
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I'm... not seeing anything that says why Jul's remnant used the T-27 rather than the 50.

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And I'm pretty sure the implication there is supposed to be that Jul's Covenant is just a remnant using whatever they can get their hands on, old or new.

humble yacht
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isn't the Type nomenclature what the UNSC uses and not the covenant?

unique rune
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Yeah

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So it's entirely possible the T-50 is the older model

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Just took longer to be cataloged by the UNSC.

humble yacht
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pretty much what i was thinking

main hill
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The long sword is arguably the best space fighter the UNSC has, change my mind

humble yacht
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doesn't have energy shields

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it's lame

deep pier
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Hello fellow hiarch nemesis

unique rune
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The Longsword is... ridiculous.
A fighter craft even bigger than some real world bombers.
Ludicrous.

carmine sleet
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Aren't Longswords meant to be bombers?

paper coyote
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mhm

unique rune
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It's an absurd all-in-one spaceplane capable of operating in-atmosphere and out, and can function as a fighter, bomber, interceptor, and probably more.

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no

sleek star
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yes

versed aurora
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Hi, I'm new to Halo's books, and I have a question. Halo Mythos is a good book to start with in the Halo lore? thinkingchief

cedar surge
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Well its a book for all rounder lore if your interested in that and explains the history of halo

subtle echo
gilded mason
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Just a weird cutscene thing, don't worry about it

main hill
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I’m willing to bet it wouldn’t be too terribly hard to give the Longsword shields, I say that because the thing was able to have 120mm auto cannons whilst also being a bomber, it’s definitely got the space to be given shields especially considering smaller space ships have shields now

versed helm
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Did the Covenant collect the holographic cores that Sesa was using before he met his demise?

cedar surge
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Well the longsword is a medium to a massive fighter which there are likely millions of

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And the bigger the things are the more expensive the shielding

terse lava
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I dont see why the Covenant would take them, seeing as it appeared to be rather trival technology

hazy summit
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ASMR GRUNT MUKBANG NO TALKING FACE REVEAL EPIC GONE WRONG COVENANT RAIDED MY HOUSE FT. JOHNSON

ocean ibex
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Ironically

main hill
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The short sword is a bomber isn’t ?

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Where as the Long sword is a multi role interceptor,fighter,bomber

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It’s super versatile

versed helm
main hill
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The Covenant were really reluctant to use AI too, they were used on very few occasions

gilded mason
versed helm
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Did they already possess holographic technology that could simulate the firing mechanisms of weapons?

gilded mason
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If Sesa had them, then probably?

versed helm
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I know that we have only seen a select amount of perspectives of the war, but if this statement were true, that technology would have been referenced before. Sesa also seems to use it as a last resort for that mission.

gilded mason
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They're known enough that Rtas immediately knew what he was using, at least

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A lot of it might come down to gameplay considerations: Bungie wanted it reserved for the boss fight, and then simply never used it again

versed helm
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That is my logical conclusion, but I was mainly focusing on the canonical aspect to it.

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I suppose that you could establish that the cores consume an absurd amount of power, explaining why Sesa used them as a last resort against Thel.

gilded mason
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Sounds like a good explanation

stable flower
solar lily
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hey so what is the Gravemind's overall purpose/goal?

gilded mason
versed helm
solar lily
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but even the flood will just die off when there is no more food, so... the goal is to eat until it dies?

versed helm
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Affirmative.

stable flower
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Oh wait, I got it mixed up with something else.

paper coyote
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how tall was jorge again?

craggy sierra
paper coyote
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he was like the biggest spartan or something

gilded mason
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So there have been much taller ones

paper coyote
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pfft short

versed helm
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Jerome is two inches shorter, for reference.

paper coyote
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what about samuel

versed helm
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The Spartan from Fall of Reach?

gilded mason
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Same size

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Kurt was 8'2"

paper coyote
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you think jorge could beat a brute in a fistfight?

gilded mason
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Depends on a lot of factors

paper coyote
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in the games it only takes like 2 or 3 punches to kill a brute minor right?

versed helm
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Gameplay elements are not representative of the canon's.

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You can destroy a Scorpion tank with a plasma pistol in the lore.

paper coyote
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you can normally in game

versed helm
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A single shot can melt through the plating of the vehicle, though.

terse lava
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The hologram drones were also in Sesa's possession when he arrived with the rest of the Covenant artifact team. As for why it may not be used often, culture. Would the Sangheili really be so cowardly and lacking honor that they would send holo drones to do their battles for them?

paper coyote
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yeah but that was hard to enable in a game

gilded mason
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Remember, Ado: Not all view honor the same way, if at all.

terse lava
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I know, but as a general rule for those partaking in battles

paper coyote
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imagine tartarus vs atriox

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who would win?

gilded mason
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Tartarus would cream him

versed helm
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Sesa's actions definitely contradict with your statement, Ado.

terse lava
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I could see the drones more commonly used by silent shadows and other commando units

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At that point he was trying to leave the station. While he outright said he'd prefer death by Thel's hands then capture by the Hierarchs, he was still sticking the deck in his favor

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Besides, had he just outright ignored Thel and attempted to flee, the seraph could have been damaged by Thel

stable flower
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Sesa's group has a disdain for plasma weapons, right?

gilded mason
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No?

paper coyote
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why did the unsc even trust arbiter when they met him? he killed over a billion civilians

versed helm
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I highly doubt that because Sesa dual wields plasma rifles in the boss encounter.

gilded mason
versed helm
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They were also exhausted of options.

gilded mason
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Yeah. They were able to understand the big picture and not be too petty

versed helm
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They were not exactly in the position to challenge their involvement with operations either.

gilded mason
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Yup

paper coyote
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i miss ma boi johnson

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he always knew what the ladies liked

terse lava
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We see that HITD too, that the Sangheili were willing to put history aside for the good of the galaxy

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Unlike humanity....

craggy sierra
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What?

versed helm
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The Sangheili murdered billions of their kind, so it's not misplaced or unwarranted.

paper coyote
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technically werent the brutes and the sanshyuum the only species to not fight alongside the unsc during the flood?(the yanmee were neutral im pretty sure)

versed helm
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I wouldn't be on the best terms with a merciless set of warriors who I fought against for 20 years, either. Remember that the Sangheili were mainly responsible for humanity's position in that pivot of time.

paper coyote
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the answer to defeat the flood is just surround them with a bunch of volatile gas and light it(especially effective for closed spaces.) also, the forerunners shouldve just upgraded their sentinels with more lasers,

stable flower
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I'm saying they have a disdain because Heretic Grunts primarily use Needlers and FRGs, while Heretic Elites use Carbines. There's also Plasma Rifles and Plasma Pistols lying around the Gas Mine.

craggy sierra
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Carbines...are still plasma

stable flower
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I know there are some Heretic Elite Majors that use swords, Grunts manning Shades, and so on, but that's really for gameplay reasons.

paper coyote
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wait.............

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gas mine?

stable flower
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Wait, the Carbine uses Fuel Rods.

paper coyote
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like flammable gas mine?

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or noble gas gas mine?

stable flower
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The Threshold Gas Mine.

craggy sierra
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The first arbiter missions in Halo 2 are on a gas mine

stable flower
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According to the Halo Alpha/Halopedia, the Carbine uses 8.7x60mm caseless radioactive projectiles.

main hill
paper coyote
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literal sticks of radioactive material?

main hill
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Idk how it looks like

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There’s no pic of it on Halopedia

terse lava
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The carbine rounds?

main hill
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Yeah

tranquil valve
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Inhale carbine gas when reloading

terse lava
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Fun little fact, the Covenant developed immunity to the radiation their weapons give out

main hill
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Really?

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That’s a thing?

solar lily
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so what about Chief and the humans who use Covenant weapons?

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@terse lava

cedar surge
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Either they are immune to it due to augmentations or don't really have to worry about it due to medicine

terse marten
solar lily
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that is just as likely as anything else

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it could be that for some reason, covenant species are more prone to whatever radiation that is, or particular amounts of it

solar lily
terse marten
cedar surge
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Pretty sure in odst and 3 humans have uses covenant weapons

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Also in CE and 2

solar lily
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an unarmored human wields a plasma rifle on the cover of Legacy of Onyx

terse marten
gilded mason
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Upon impact the round releases a toxic material into a victims bloodstream,[1] in addition to radiation burns the victim suffers. The chance of survival of being hit from the T-51 rifle is low. If the round has not struck a vital organ the victim only has a few minutes before the toxic chemicals kill the victim unless it is treated immediately.[1] In most circumstances a surviving victim will require attentive treatment to ensure survival.
¯_(ツ)_/¯

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^ in regard to humans that get hit

terse marten
cedar surge
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Oh yea

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In halo 2

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Johnson using the beam rifle

terse lava
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@cedar surge it was said by an ONI agent in Mona Liss

cedar surge
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To shoot down tarturases shield

solar lily
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they're a she and

why would they be dead?

is there any evidence at all that says wielding covenant weaponry is dangerous to humans?

terse marten
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Well Johnson is apart of the Orion project. I guess that helps Johnson out @cedar surge

cedar surge
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Well there is the chance you could burn or blast your hands off

terse marten
gilded mason
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My post was in regards to the carbine and its radioactive material

solar lily
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that was about getting shot with some type of weapon

turns out getting shot with a shotgun is also fatal to humans

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so, in conclusion:

zero evidence that wielding covenant weaponry is dangerous to humans

craggy sierra
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Pretty much

terse marten
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Yeah

craggy sierra
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That being said though chief has a crap ton of heat dampening built into his suit and he still has to take his hand off the Plasma Rifle and wave it around if it overheats. Without that you’re probably losing a layer of skin.

gilded mason
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"I told you, research and development," Smith said, with a touch of scorn. "Like ONI‘s always done. You should be thanking me. We came up with some interesting data that will help us maximize the damage inflicted by our weapons on the Covenant. They‘ve developed a natural resistance to the radiation put out by their plasma weapons—a forced evolution, from the look of it. With further research, we‘ll be able to use it against them, and to help us treat plasma burns, too.

craggy sierra
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This does beg a lot of questions of why they used them in the first place

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Like that had to have just been generations of cancer

gilded mason
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

solar lily
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very little about the covenant makes sense canonically

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soooo so little

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the design of their weapons in general is terrible

cedar surge
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How so

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They look pretty fine just not conventional

solar lily
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very, very slow projectiles

gilded mason
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Though I've no idea how canon Smith's paragraph is at this point. It might've been a one-off thing

gilded mason
solar lily
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not gameplay

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the weapons and how they function is described in multiple books

cedar surge
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In lore they are much faster but less range and speed than projectiles

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Also

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How slow are we talking

solar lily
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also cut scenes
movies
tv shows etc

we've seen it all

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like slow enough to dodge

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like slower than paintball

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needles especially

cedar surge
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Near misses can still cause burns and damage

craggy sierra
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Look man, Halo’s a game where you can’t get headshots with a assault rifles in gameplay but everyone sure as hell does in lore.

cedar surge
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And how a brutes shield goes down in a single burst or two in SoR

solar lily
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for sure, all the weapons are much more effective irl than in the games

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just saying covenant had a lot of time to come up with better stuff.

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some covenant weaponry is excellent though

cedar surge
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Well I don't think they ever would have needed too

solar lily
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yeah just all the civil wars and rebellions and such

cedar surge
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The prophets were holding back progress and there was no other comparable threat

solar lily
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for like how many hundreds or thousand sof years

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they warred over lots of planets didn't they?

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anyway for sure, the prophets sucked

gilded mason
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there was no other comparable threat
Probably the biggest thing

cedar surge
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Yea they went to war with the jackals who put up a fight before realising they couldn't win

solar lily
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yeap so anyway, the fact their technology stagnated doesn't counter my argument, but instead lends it evidence

gilded mason
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Oh yeah, they are faster than paintball rounds actually

cedar surge
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Humanity was the largest "threat" they had in a while

gilded mason
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Plasma rifles, as of the Bungie era, are about 130 m/s

solar lily
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halo conflicts with itself on many things

cedar surge
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That's gonna happen with a bunch of content in 20 years from multiple authors

solar lily
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yes

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anyway, I bet plasma is really effective against Flood in lore or something

gilded mason
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Yeah

solar lily
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that would explain the ostensibly unnecessary forcing of the tech

gilded mason
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H3 actually has a damage multiplier for plasma vs Flood

cedar surge
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Plasma pistol goes 108 m/s but only to 50 feet

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Yea it is

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It burns the flesh away

solar lily
gilded mason
gilded mason
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Wages of Sin expands on that, I believe.

solar lily
cedar surge
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Still if its a near dogs its still gonna cause damage like severe burns

gilded mason
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Like how in lore, a wraith mortar vaporizes everything in a 20-40 meter radius

stable flower
terse lava
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No, besides the immediate impact zone, it just burns straight through. No time to ignite the entire body. Even if there was, it would just be vaporized by multiple shots

main hill
versed helm
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How long can a Spartan go without food and water?

terse marten
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Didn’t Chief survive the dreadnought for like 2 weeks without food or water? So I’d assume he can go longer.

pulsar grail
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besides im sure his suit is giving him nutrition right

junior compass
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do you guys think Dino Blasters might actually be canon

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like they deploy flying elites with concussion rifles

main hill
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I mean I don't see why not it would be a good tactic

echo night
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Chief, look out, flying elites!

tranquil valve
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We’ve fought flying elites in halo 2 and reach right?

pulsar grail
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Yes

gentle vine
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The Elite Rangers were just a big surprise to me in 2 as they were in reach

spare ice
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I wonder how Jun A266 feels when he sees Spartan IVs armored in Noble, Indomitable, Intruder, Wrath and Decimator suits

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(Just a shower thought)

humble yacht
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I mean

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It’s not like those were unique armors

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Seeing that would probably just remind him of his old team

main hill
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I still think the Elites looked the best in Halo Reach ngl.

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In general I think Halo Reach had the best art style along with Halo 2 anniversary

humble yacht
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I love the reach elite designs

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And of course the roundhouse kicks

spare ice
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Chuk Norramee

humble yacht
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Patrick ‘Swayzamee

versed helm
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Syl 'Vestamee.

main hill
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I honestly like the facial structures ngl

versed helm
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They do look quite monstrous so I suppose it fits with the tone of the game.

main hill
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I still think they look pretty sleek

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I just like their faces are less narrow if that makes sense

versed helm
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I understand.

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The black voids for eyes are quite demonic to me, though.

main hill
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I think its very good blend of being pretty big a bulky but still being very sleek like they aren't full on brutes

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yeah the black eyes are pretty demonic

versed helm
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My favourite design is from H2A because I am bland and unoriginal.

versed helm
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Ok, so this is something I think might be in the realm of possibility, given what we know of ONI, plus Master Chief's recent actions as of Halo 4 and 5. I am actually wondering what were to happen should the Master Chief, Spartan John-117, expose ONI's transgressions, the true nature of the Spartan-II program, among a number of things that Halsey might relay to him. All things considered, if Chief were to rebel, who would side with him? Who would side with the Office of Naval Intelligence, and how would a hypothetical civil war play out?

humble yacht
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chief wouldn't do that

main hill
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I doubt ONI could really do much of chief right out said

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Oh yeah ONI is evil

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Sure they could try and kill him but they would be killing a hero to humanity, people in general wouldn’t be happy about that

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But it would never happen

craggy sierra
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Chief mostly doesn’t have a reason to do that.

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At the end of the day they’re still signing his pay cheques and he doesn’t exactly have many available career paths

steep ether
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the rest of blue team might side with him, given they are basecly like family and also they went with him to find cortana even when he was hesitant for them to. tho blue team would probly try to stop him or not just go full on rogue

craggy sierra
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Literally none of these characters would try to do this.

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They all have absolutely nothing to gain out of doing it besides being out of a job at best and on a hit list at worse.

calm sparrow
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Would a Spartan be able to become an ODST? Stupid question but i kind of want to know

steep ether
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i think there are spartan odsts

steep ether
craggy sierra
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Spartans can just use ODST pods.

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These aren’t mutually exclusive things

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You see chief do it in Halo 2

undone sun
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Spartans are higher ranking than odsts

steep ether
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also isnt there a mega blok odst spartan, or is that not canon

craggy sierra
undone sun
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buck is an ODST transformed into a Spartan

humble yacht
#

Spartans have armor variants based on ODST gear

steep ether
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he isnt an odst anymore tho

craggy sierra
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Like they can be higher rank but Spartans and their military rankings are two different things.

undone sun
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There would just be no point for a Spartan to become and ODST.

steep ether
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yeah only for spesific missions/operations

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we know this from h2

craggy sierra
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I’m actually pretty sure Spartans specifically have their ranks capped to a degree because of their conscription

steep ether
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true

humble yacht
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spartans in the modern UNSC don't have a rank, per se