#lore-and-universe

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obsidian thistle
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Its 343is way of saying stuff is canon. But they reserve the right to revert it

young mortar
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Really?

obsidian thistle
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IE most stuff in REAP-X is Apocrypha or Semi-canon

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But not Non-canon

terse lava
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Sounds about right

versed helm
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Who's character lore do you really like? Mine is Emile.

young mortar
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That's overly complicated

obsidian thistle
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Its really not. Essentially most toy lore is apocrypha. Which stops toys from going "Hey I said this so a game cant do that". ;)

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343i do try to follow toy lore though. But will ignore it if the story demands it.

Henceforth its Apocrypha

terse lava
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That would have been interesting to see play out had the precursors won as a mega bloks set

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curses the new mombasa set for winning

obsidian thistle
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Hey we got the NMPD Cyclops and other similar vehicles. I love it cause its very much a Robocop scenario xD

young mortar
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Ok that makes a lot more sense

terse lava
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Eh yeah, but I would have preferred the precursors, ancient humans, or the Forerunners winning that contest

carmine sleet
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Not everyone is interested in Precursors at the end of the day

terse lava
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My point was something new besides more Spartan/human stuff

versed helm
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The Siege Bike looks ridiculously impractical as an all-terrain vehicle.

versed helm
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But could work as a civilian vehicle

craggy sierra
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Impracticality is kinda the UNSCs bread and butter

versed helm
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Did John experience hallucinations of Cortana in Halo 3, or was it never explained?

craggy sierra
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Those weren’t hallucinations

humble yacht
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Psychic transmissions

versed helm
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Who was actually communicating with him? The Gravemind?

humble yacht
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The gravemind sent the transmissions

uncut kernel
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Unggoy are actually kinda intellectual

main hill
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The unggoy are technically only really stupid because most of the time they are spiking their methane tanks with hardcore drugs

versed helm
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If I recall correctly, they achieved a Tier 4 society at one point before their home planet's environment collapsed due to massive global over-industrialization before the firing of the Halo Array

main hill
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They also made the Grunt Goblin, which is pretty advanced

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The same could also be said for the brutes because they also have made advanced stuff on their own

versed helm
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Although I wonder how the Grunts elsewhere are reacting to their home planet joining the Created

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Has Doisac been taken over by the Created yet?

main hill
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No I kinda doubt it, only because the planet is so divided and a lot of the brutes are spacefaring Cortana wouldn’t really expect to be able to take any legitimate control over the planet.

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So I bet she just writes it off as a merely a speck to her power really.

versed helm
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Plus, I could imagine some Brutes like Lydus would form some type of resistance against Cortana

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Bring that dude back

main hill
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The other thing you have to consider is the fact that the only real reason I’d say the covenant managed to recruit the brutes was because they had only just rediscovered the radio and rocket power, now there’s brutes with fleets of Covenant hardware

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Doesn’t the Banished supposedly have a CSO?

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Well not the only reason but the main reason

versed helm
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Oh yeah, the First Immolation, when the Brutes nuked themselves back into the Stone Age

main hill
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Yea when the covenant came most brutes immediately submitted and the ones who didn’t, had no means to fight back so

versed helm
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Is it possible to create synthetic blamite?

main hill
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Idk

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I doubt it tho

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I don’t think people realize how big of a deal it is that the Banished may have a CSO

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Like a CSO dwarfs the infinity in length

versed helm
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I think that Banished CSO got destroyed by a sentinel swarm

main hill
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It’s way bigger

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Na that was a CAS

versed helm
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Oh

main hill
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The CSO is essentially a way bigger version of the CAS

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But it do be massive

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Like the infinity is about 18,000 ft in length the CSO is like 95,000 ft in length

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I forgot the width but I’m pretty sure the CSO dwarfs the infinity in that aspect too

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The CAS is like 17,000 ft in length

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I wish I could post an image to demonstrate the size comparison

ocean ibex
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CSO’s are way bigger than most people think, they’re bigger than most emperor class battleships in the imperium navy

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And that’s saying a lot

main hill
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It is but I’m sure the imperium make up for it in ludicrously powerful weapons lmao

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Idk a lot about Warhammer other than everything in it is insanely powerful

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But to compare with something I do know a bit about, the CSO is bigger than almost every starwars ship

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Besides the Supremacy probably, but that’s because of its insane width

ocean ibex
main hill
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I can believe you on that

ocean ibex
main hill
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Exactly

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I’ve heard people threorize that the main reason you don’t see CSO’s being used much by remnant forces is because most remnants don’t have the manpower to crew the things, there also probably not many even though there is no exact recorded number of how many exist.

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I bet the Banished would have enough people tho to at the very least crew it with a skeleton crew

ocean ibex
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A CSO could probably carry millions of crewman, I could see that being a possibility

main hill
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Yeah.

ocean ibex
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Plus it’d probably take the covenant decades to produce 1 CSO

main hill
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Probably

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It wouldn’t surprise me if there is less than like 10 out there

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But I believe we’ve only ever seen one in halo before, someone can correct me on that

ocean ibex
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You are correct, we’ve only seen 1 CSO ever

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In all of the books, games, and novels

main hill
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Yeah.

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Ngl, if the CSO was armed with plasma torpedoes I’m pretty sure it would be the equivalent of the legendary Persian rain of arrows

ocean ibex
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I’m pretty sure it is armed with plasma torpedoes

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The CSO isn’t an assault carrier, it’s not meant for engaging other ships

main hill
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Most covenant ships are but there is no detailed account of its armament so it’s very possible it could be different

gilded mason
main hill
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When?

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I don’t doubt you just curious

gilded mason
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Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, and Silent Storm.

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Also, I doubt it takes multiple decades for a CSO to be built. After all, High Charity was made within 200 years.

ocean ibex
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Hm, I just checked halopedia, ghosts of onyx and Silent Storm weren’t mentioned at all

versed helm
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How big would a CSO be compared to like the Mantle's Approach?

main hill
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Yeah but it probably took a long time to build and we only see it in the later years of the war so I doubt many were made

gilded mason
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Mantle's Approach is somehow as big as High Charity, so pretty small

gilded mason
ocean ibex
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The CSO is tiny compared to the mantle’s approach

main hill
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Yeah but halopedia doesn’t mention Silent Storm

gilded mason
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There you go

main hill
gilded mason
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I'll have to update the supercarrier page

versed helm
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Imagine if a CSO went up against the Mantle's Approach

gilded mason
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It'd probably fare about as well as the Infinity.

ocean ibex
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It’d be like watching mike Tyson box a preschooler

gilded mason
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As in, not very well at all.

ocean ibex
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Do we have any images of castellan battle stations?

versed helm
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Frankly, if I was given the choice of what ship from the Halo universe I would want in real life, I would definitely go with the Mantle's Approach

gilded mason
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I'd go with a smaller Covenant ship

main hill
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Yeah the CSO is a pretty big target

cedar surge
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I would want a Punic

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Actually no wait

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A prowler

versed helm
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Or maybe a Marathon class cruiser

cedar surge
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Everything else is s huge target

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Plus where would you get crew to staff it

gilded mason
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^

cedar surge
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A prowler is low crew and small and can go invisible

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Plus big ships with barely anyone can feel lonely

versed helm
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How many people could fit into the Mantle's Approach?

ocean ibex
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Probably the population of high charity

cedar surge
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Millions

gilded mason
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At least 8 billion, I guess

cedar surge
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To billions

gilded mason
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If we go by High Charity

cedar surge
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Its bigger than HC

gilded mason
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Yeah

ocean ibex
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However the composer part of the ship takes up a huge portion so I’d say low billions

gilded mason
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Not really

versed helm
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Imagine the Mantle's Approach taking on the entire High Charity defense fleet and HC's defenses

ocean ibex
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Everyone on high charity would be composed instantly

versed helm
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Considering how the UNSC Home Fleet struggled against the Mantle's Approach

gilded mason
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To put it mildly

cedar surge
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And a prowler is more easily hideable

terse lava
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Really the best case there, thr defense fleet bothers the MA enough for HighbCharity to flee. The station does have its own weapons, many of which are forerunnernin origin, but even they would likely not terribly damage the MA

cedar surge
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The MA could annilate the fleet in a few minutes

versed helm
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Someone needs to make an animation of the Mantle's Approach taking on the entire High Charity defense fleet and HC's defenses

fair hazel
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There are really not a lot of halo ship animations out there

cedar surge
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Yea

fair hazel
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I see these really short few second long clips of star wars ships getting like thousands of views, which is puzzling a bit since i'm like, it's too short. But like, there isn't something similar for halo much

terse lava
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Again, the defense fleet wouldn't be able to do much to the MA, their only duty would be to buy time for high charity to flee

ocean ibex
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Probably because halo space battles are a lot less interesting than Star Wars, cuz it’s mostly determined by who has more ships or the bigger gun

terse lava
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Well stat war battles are almost ways determined by the fighter craft

ocean ibex
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It’s still more interesting than, haha Mac gun go pew

terse lava
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Not particularly

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It just transforms into, "whoever has the plot armor wins"

versed helm
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What are the effects of firing MAC rounds in atmosphere?

terse lava
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Depends on the speed

versed helm
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I never understood why Jorge-052 questioned that tactic in Halo Reach.

terse lava
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Slower ones as we saw in Reach don't too massive damage to thebaurrounding area. Faster ones who be planet killer level events

gilded mason
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Because depending on the speed, it could really have devastating effects on the planet

versed helm
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I was going to say something about the Forerunner Dreadnought that was in the middle of High Charity taking on the Mantle's Approach but I just remembered that it was stripped of all of its weaponry and was used by the Covenant as a massive power plant for HC

terse lava
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Yeah?...

versed helm
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How would a Forerunner keyship fare against the MA?

ocean ibex
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It would get destroyed

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It’s not a warship

ocean ibex
terse lava
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Goes for pretty much any ship board weapons

versed helm
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What actually causes the extinction level event? The shockwave?

gilded mason
main hill
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Aight but I feel like the Stormcutter is an underrated covenant ship

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The Stormcutter looks awesome

versed helm
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I didn't know that projectiles could be fired at a similar speed to light's.

gilded mason
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Doesn't have to be too close to light speed

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Even lower speeds can cause it

main hill
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Macs could only really be an extinction causing weapon if you have a big fleet all hammering a planet

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It’s easier just to use a nova bomb

ocean ibex
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I don’t think Mac cannons are capable of destroying the planet itself

main hill
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Yea

gilded mason
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Frigate MACs, at least

versed helm
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How large are MAC projectiles?

gilded mason
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Several tons

main hill
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On ships? Like the size of car or something right? And weighing tons

ocean ibex
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Like the size of a Honda Civic

versed helm
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Yeah, I can see why that would cause an extinction level event, lol. Thanks.

carmine sleet
main hill
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This^

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Either way it’s cool

gilded mason
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Yeah

versed helm
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It looks beautiful.

gilded mason
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And it doesn't seem too large to properly pilot

main hill
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It’s a small ship meant for scouting and harassment

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I looked at it and though of it as essentially a massive fighter

versed helm
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A lot of Covenant ships are designed to "harass".

main hill
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True

terse lava
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Funny to think it's not much bigger then a lich

main hill
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Honestly

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Actually, speaking of the Lich

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If the Lich exists and is space capable

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Wtf was the point of the space gunboat phantom variant

terse lava
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Because

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The lich was a civilian vehicle

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No joke

main hill
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It has a scarab cannon tho?

terse lava
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It only saw limited military use prior to the schism

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covenant civilian would need it to help unearth forerunner relics. Or security forces putting down a large rebellion

main hill
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Ah

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I feel like the space gunboat phantom variant coulda been used for ground support effectively ngl

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Like the gunship variant of the Pelican seen in halo wars 2

terse lava
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Perhaps, and maybe was.

cedar surge
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For the halo short bring not as humorous as star wars short thing

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Its maybe due to that space battles in halo arnt that prominent?

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In all the games you barely actually see a space battle

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While each star wars movie has at least one

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Which is a shame

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The ones I find for halo are a few years old

terse lava
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One is a movie franchise going back 40 some years. The other is a first person shooter game, space combat wouldn't be a major factor for halo game-wise

main hill
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There is a lot of space battles in the lore

versed helm
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What happened to the Type-46?

gilded mason
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Still used, just not added to the games' sandbox these days

versed helm
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I hope that Infinite breaks this trend.

last anchor
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We'll see

versed helm
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Are there any new types of armaments that were fitted onto the vehicle?

gilded mason
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No idea

pale zephyr
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I mean, in halo 5 there are the warzone req variants.

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Sword hog is pretty neato.

main hill
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I had an idea for a specter that essentially had a plasma launcher attached to it for anti-air.

pale zephyr
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Shame the spectre was never really a thing after 2, kinda liked it.

versed helm
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I don't recall the Spectre being in Halo 5. The Forge creations are not applicable either, lol.

main hill
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I also had an idea for a Brute Prowler with 2 fuel rod guns attached to the turret so it could engage heavy armored vehicles.

main hill
pale zephyr
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Shame, it would have worked really well with 5's smoother covenant look.

versed helm
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I fail to see a viable application in the weapon sandbox. It was already fairly underpowered in Halo 2.

pale zephyr
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sure but it looked cool

main hill
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It was essentially the covenants warthog and its cool

pale zephyr
versed helm
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I like the vehicle as well, but can't overlook the amount of exposure the passengers have when riding in it.

pale zephyr
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lookit that pretty baby

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I want one.

versed helm
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It partially looks like a futuristic slipper.

pale zephyr
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Alien assault slipper.

cedar surge
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Well halo is 20 years old

main hill
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You could technically apply the same logic to the Warthog when it comes to the exposure of passengers

versed helm
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No, I think that vehicle provides more protection.

cedar surge
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Well there is a version of the warthog completely closed

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The armored hog

versed helm
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The normal variant still provides more protection for the passengers than the Spectre does.

terse lava
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They could have just remade the spectre with better covering

cedar surge
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Or shields

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Shields is always the answer

main hill
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Yea

short spire
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How do day/night cycles work on halo rings?

delicate notch
cedar surge
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They spin

delicate notch
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Light source tho

short spire
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it's not that simple, depending on where the axis it spins on, it could never be night time. and id assume any way it spins, night time would be very short

lean karma
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Ahaha yess time to nerd out

delicate notch
craggy sierra
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Rings have artificial suns or something

lean karma
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Its actually quite simple as explained in the forerunner trillogy

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this is actually somthing that has me concerned as it might be the only fallicy between the books and the game

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There is supposed to be an artificial sun/star in the center of the ring, I think??? (at least in the older rings) yet we never see it and it always seems as though a sun rises and sets around a ring, yet with the way a ring is shaped basically if your on the ring during the "night" the other side of the ring will be "lit up" with sun light as its facing twoard the star when your facing away from it and visa versa I just dont understand how the central star thing works when the process of firing a halo ring sends energy to the center of a ring and you can clearly see nothing is there

delicate notch
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So in the books its a sun with half of it shielded?

lean karma
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tbh I cant remember thats a great search on halo wiki I'll see if i can find anything

delicate notch
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I recon it seems stupid not to use the ring as a "semi dyson sphere", placing it in proximity to a sun. (Yes, I know about the vacuum "reactors").

ocean ibex
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Pretty much every forerunner installation has a Dyson sphere in it

versed helm
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Halo is the speed of an object game that can play a game theory of the beast and orange theory of a theory that can be found on the most important theory of theory or theory of the imp and brown are used in the theory theory of the imp and brown is the speed of a simple theory theory and brown theory is not

versed helm
short spire
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It's a very interesting thing I haven't seen anyone cover since Halo Infinite is supposed to feature a day/night cycle

versed helm
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I doubt that you could install energy shields in a Spectre since it doesn't fully conceal its passengers.

gilded mason
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Nah, there's precedent.

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The Sword Warthog that the SoS made for the UNSC has energy shielding

hidden yacht
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True

versed helm
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That's probably to protect the vehicle itself, rather than its users. I suppose that would still be useful for the Spectre in that regard.

paper coyote
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Hello my lovely gamers

craggy sierra
jagged glen
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U guys play Halo 5 guardians??

carmine sleet
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Plenty of people do

young mortar
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Who doesn't

craggy sierra
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Me, mostly cause it’s not on PC

full citrus
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I would ditch the MCC on PC for halo 5 lol if it ever got a proper port

terse lava
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Was never terribly fond of halo 5 really

versed helm
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I don't understand how regular Brutes can have armour lock in Halo Reach.

humble yacht
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gameplay choice

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not necessarily canon

terse lava
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Pretty much

main hill
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Vehicles like the Spectre and the Prowler fill in the gap between the ghost and the revenant and the chopper and the marauder

terse lava
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What orbits around the sun?

main hill
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The halo array, I just the most basic answer that came to mind, probably not the case

terse lava
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A halo gets its day/night time thanks to the star shining on one side of the ring.

versed helm
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How hard would it be to create a game centered around the Interplanetary Wars without making it look like COD: Infinite Warfare?

craggy sierra
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Going to just say impossible

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Humans as they currently exist in the Halo sandbox would make for just about the most bland enemy imaginable. It’d just be an 8 hour campaign of PvE swat.

main hill
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That’s the thing, it would never really work, the campaign would essentially just be cod no matter which way you spin it

craggy sierra
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So you’d need to overhaul everything in the gameplay to be a lot more CoD like if you don’t want it to be the single most monotonous thing in gaming.

main hill
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It would be really cool, but it would just essentially be cod

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There could be some elements of halo but the majority of it would just be cod

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I would mainly keep things like that to mods

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Aight off topic but I found out about this ship recently

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An man Id love to see it

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It’s essentially just an aircraft carrier that has just hundreds of seraphs and banshees

versed helm
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I've been thinking about how humanity in the Halo universe were able to colonize and terraform Mars despite it having a weak magnetic field, maybe the Forerunners did something to Mars's magnetic field while they occupied the planet?

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There is a Juridical node on Mars, which makes me wonder, what other signs of Forerunner occupation remain on Mars?

terse lava
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A forerunner miner family lived on Mars 100,000 years ago that Bornstellar lived with for a time. Likely there stuff is still there

versed helm
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He also did climb Olympus Mons during his stay there

unique rune
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Doctor of Dental Surgery-class carrier

next fox
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If High charity was present at Mars before the human covenant war even started, how did they not know the location of earth until halo 2

terse lava
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It wasn't present at mars before the war. After the flood took it over, it jumped to mars

pale zephyr
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^^

terse lava
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From there it jumped to the ark

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It was however, spotted by a powerful telescope years before the war. The photo was sent to Halsey, who commented it was of clear alien design

versed helm
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I miss the times where Master Chief would subtly demonstrate empathy when encountering deceased Marines.

ocean ibex
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He respects regular men and women that put their courage into defending humanity from xenos

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Wait

versed helm
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I think that he simply became desensitised to the horrors of the Covenant War.

main hill
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Marines probably have really bad PTSD, like straight up they probs had to watch so many people get blown up into red mist by needlers or shredded up like cloth by elites with energy swords

versed helm
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A lot of Marines became unsung heroes of that war.

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Private Jenkins can be used as a gleaming example for that topic.

ocean ibex
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People always disregard the other branches of the UNSC, it’s not like the Army and the Air Force played a part in the war

versed helm
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We can't forget the soldiers who defended the civilian ships as they attempted to evacuate from Reach.

cedar surge
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We see marines more since they are offense

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You see the army in reach because you are defending

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Fairly certain you see both in the Spartan games and HW series

main hill
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The air force is technically with the navy most of the time

cedar surge
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No not really

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The air force works with the army to defend the planet

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The navy got their own fighters

main hill
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Huh

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Interesting

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Honestly I think the marines should be using some stuff the army uses

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Specifically the Falcon so they don’t have to take the Pelican everywhere especially in urban environments that put it in a big vulnerable position

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I’ve mentioned this before, they wouldn’t really have to do much to modify it for a greater amount troops to be transported

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It has almost the same proportions as the Huey helicopter and the Huey can fit up to 14 troops (only one less person than the Pelican)

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The only difference is that they’d have to deploy it from land.

craggy sierra
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At that point why not just use a pelican?

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Like a vehicle to do that very thing already exists.

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Also last I checked the Falcon doesn't have a top speed on par with a jet plane

main hill
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I really hate the no swear thing, I made a whole argument and it just deleted

cedar surge
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Cause younger kids are here

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Also pelicans are pretty big

main hill
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Because why use a massive jet in situations were it would massively vulnerable and less maneuverable to deploy the same amount of troops, even in an open environment it’s still a big target.

cedar surge
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Pelicans can deploy many things along with troops

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And cam hold a bunch of weapons

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Like the pelican gunship

craggy sierra
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Yeah but on the other hand a pelican get the frick into and out of dodge at like 3x the speed with all the same maneuverability options.

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It is a VTOL after all

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Meanwhile I think literally everything the covenant has moves faster than a falcon in the air

cedar surge
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I don't think the falcon engines goes all the way foward

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They tilt back and forth

main hill
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Yes but its still a big target, and to maneuver around buildings would still be difficult for the Pelican even with vtol capablities, I also think your misunderstanding me a bit, I’m not saying Pelican’s are useless, I’m just saying Falcons could be more useful in certain situations. Using the Pelican for every deployment of troops is like if the US military used a VTOL version of the C-130 for every mission, the Pelican is as big as the C-130 and is easier to shoot down. Especially in an urban environment

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I think you’d use Pelicans in more open environments if you want to get as many troops and vehicles on the ground as quick as possible to take a position or to launch a full scale assault, with a Falcon you can use it to drop some troops and strike teams in more clustered environments.

cedar surge
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Well the pelican seemed nimble while flying low through the city in the halo 2 cutscene

main hill
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Also the Falcon can reach speeds of 184mph which although slower than the Pelican, it’s still pretty fast

slim thorn
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If you want quick deployment, then use Pelican

cedar surge
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Can it out maneuver as banshee tho

main hill
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Can the Pelican out maneuver a Banshee tho?

craggy sierra
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I'm pretty sure the Falcon can't

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Contrary to that one reach mission where you do nothing but circle strafe

main hill
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I’d like to point out the Type 26 Banshee only goes 62 miles per hour according to Halopedia

versed helm
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I wonder if that is a mistake or factual.

main hill
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Idk

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I feel like it’s a mistake

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Because that’s really slow

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And it said that was it’s top speed

craggy sierra
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I highly doubt my Corolla has a higher top speed than a banshee

cedar surge
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Well I think banshees work better in swarms

main hill
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Yeah they are meant to be expendable

cedar surge
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Diesnt matter if they are slow and get destroyed easily

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If you have to fight hundreds at a time

main hill
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I very much just consider the Banshees to be the attack helicopter of the covenant.

cedar surge
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Vampire?

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Phantom?

main hill
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Phantom is a troop transport

cedar surge
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The y shaped one I can't remeber

last anchor
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Vampire's more like an interceptor.

main hill
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And the Vampire is like an interceptor

last anchor
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Specifically anti-air aircraft

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Personally the Banshee feels more like a multirole.

main hill
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I feel like they could use the Vampire as a bomber, just make it target the ground with its needles and it could carpet bomb

last anchor
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That said the idea of a specific ground support Banshee with heavier cannons and, say, two fuel rod launchers is an INTRIGUING idea.

last anchor
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Microshapnel would work as an effective cluster munition. Not to mention the effects on flesh on impact.

main hill
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Can we talk about the fact that Ghosts can be armed with fuel rods

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That’s scary

main hill
last anchor
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I mean theoreically any Covenant vehicle can be. Since fuel rod systems seem to be more or less modular.

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Case in point the AA Wraith.

main hill
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Yea

last anchor
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Is the effectiveness of the AA wraith in Warzone Firefight is anything to go by, a specifically ground targeting based fuel rod rwaith would be DEVASTATING.
Then again lore states each fuel rod detonates with enough force to carve a five foot glowing hole in the ground.

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So.

main hill
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I feel like you could strap a fuel rod to anything and bam it’s pretty good at anti-tank engagements

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That’s why I think a fuel rod prowler or specter would be cool

last anchor
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I think those might be a bit too light to handle the weapon in full fire mode.

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Since the recoil on even the AA wraith is powerful enough to rock the vehicle backwards.

versed helm
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I wonder if that value includes the use of the boosters.

main hill
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I mean, warthogs can be armed with missile launchers so I wouldn’t be too sure

last anchor
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And the weapon in-hand (at least the H3 version) has a MASSIVE kick that cause sthe entire barrel to roll backwards.

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I think it has more to do with the "floatyness" of anti-grav tech

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Whereas a Warthog sits sturdy on four maglock solid state nanocarbon tires

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And a MASSIVE suspension system that makes even todays monster trucks blush.

main hill
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I think it could work

last anchor
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Oh it could. Just probably wouldnt be the most effective weapon.

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Now, Fuel rod Warthog.

main hill
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I’m also thinking it’s not necessarily fuel rod cannons but just 2 fuel rod guns strapped to a turret

last anchor
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The difference between thems pretty small actually. Ones just vehicle sized

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I suppose mounting two of the guns on a vehicle could work.
I can imagine a poor Unggoy tasked with reloading the things by hand XD

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Seems pretty Banished IMO

main hill
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Lmao

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To be fair gameplay wise vehicles just seem to have infinite ammo

last anchor
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Oh thats the same for almost every game, ever. Its a balancing thing.

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To be entirely fair it makes sense for most plasma based wepaonry since its fueled using gas.

main hill
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Yeah

last anchor
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And Im pretty sure most vehicles large enough to house plasma weaponry can have condensors aboard.

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FAIRLY certain thats what the huge rotating "engine" on the back of the Wraith actually is. Helium/hydrogen energy siphon to fuel the mortar

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UNSC vehicles though...well, thats just gameplay balance.

main hill
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Yea

last anchor
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IMO I like it that way cause Battlefield V tried it with limited vehicle weaponry and I cant think of a single person who liked it.

main hill
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Theoretically you could make a belt fed fuel rod gun

last anchor
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Certainly.

frozen ice
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Plasma artillery

last anchor
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That would be the Type-27 Gun Carriage.

ocean ibex
main hill
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The Wraith is basically mobile plasma artillery piece

frozen ice
main hill
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I feel like the Brutes would use flame throwers ngl

main hill
frozen ice
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Why don't humans experiment with energy weapons and create their own energy/laser weapons?

ocean ibex
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Nah, that was my bad, BF1 was the one that had them

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Yes they did

ocean ibex
frozen ice
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Ah okay

main hill
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The shielding for Mjolnir was based from Jackal shields

ocean ibex
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They could’ve easily done so during their 300 years of peace

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They had no need to innovate new weapon creations

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And ballistics already served them well

frozen ice
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I guess bullets do work well

last anchor
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Which was finished and in prototype at least by 2530

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Since Jerome lugged one around on Harvest.

frozen ice
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Oh yeah the Spartan Laser, almost forgot about that

main hill
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Aight hear me out, a brute lmg that’s like a spiker but uses magnetic acceleration as the fire mechanism so it just shreds people to bits.

last anchor
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The spiker already uses magnetic acceleration

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Its always used magnetic acceleration

ocean ibex
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^^

last anchor
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Its ammunition is based on that; the sheer velocity of the rounds cause them to ignite due to chemical properties inherient to the metal they're produced from

main hill
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I don’t think Gravitic accelerator is the same as a magnetic accelerator

last anchor
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On impact they not only shred flesh and shatter bone but also melt anything they come into contact with. AND they're posionis.

ocean ibex
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The spiker doesn’t use gravity manipulation

last anchor
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Is it gravidic or magnetic. I think your thinking of the gravity hammer

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TO HALOPEIDA

main hill
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Look at firing mechanism

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Or operation

ocean ibex
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Ahh

last anchor
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Well alright then

main hill
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It’s a very real possibility that it could be the same thing tho I doubt it cuz if it was they woulda just said magnetic accelerator

last anchor
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The principles basically the same.
Just one uses electromagnetism, the other uses gravity.
Both use a physical force to "push" an object.

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Or perhaps pull depending. The result is a projectile traveling at frighteningly high speeds.

main hill
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However I feel like if you put that same logic on a gun with a longer barrel length it would probably do more damage

ocean ibex
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More range you mean

last anchor
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Very much so. That would be the UNSCs M98 Stanchion anti-EVERYTHING rifle.

main hill
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That’s how MACs work, the longer the gun the higher the velocity, the higher the damage out put

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Yea

last anchor
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(Points to city block sized Super MAC guns)

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"Cortana, do you see that Covenant ship?"
"Of course, I see every Covenant ship in the firing envelope. All 27 of them. Why?"
"I dont want to see that specific ship anymore."
"Right, going loud."
(Glorious bell-noise of a MAC firing)

main hill
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Lmao

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Do you think they could mount the gauss turrets from halo 5 to the falcons side guns.

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I say halo 5’s gauss turret specifically cuz that’s the one that can be mounted to the tripod

ocean ibex
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Yes, however it wouldn’t be that effective for the falcon’s purpose, the 2 autocannons on the side are purely meant for suppression and cover fire, not to deal heavy damage to the enemy

main hill
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I mean they have been armed with automatic grenade launchers so I wouldn’t be too sure.

last anchor
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Its possible, but the required equipment to power them and the huge size would be a hinderance.
Possibly some of the newer short-barrel H5 variants, but even then, the Falcon isnt meant for tank hunting.

ocean ibex
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Better suppression then

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The main 20mm cannon is pretty powerful though, it could probably destroy most covenant ground vehicles with ease

versed helm
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How useful is the planet Venus to the UNSC besides it being the site of a failed terraforming project?

unique rune
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probably not very useful

ocean ibex
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It’s not useful to the UNSC at all, it’s prob a popular tourist destination

last anchor
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Dumping ground if nothign else.

versed helm
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Then Mercury is probably not very useful either

ocean ibex
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I mean, the UNSC has several antimatter facilities on Mercury so it has some use

last anchor
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Solar production collection too perhaps. Someone check Mythos again

main hill
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They could theoretically set up space stations around those areas

#

How devastating do you think Phoenix missiles are?

last anchor
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The ones the HW2 Vulture carries?
They're classified as thermobaric warheads. Against things inside enclosed positions? They can turn living things into pulp.
Soft organs implode; eyes either erupt from the skull or are driven so far into it they collapse entirely. Lungs can, in some cases, be nearly pulled free of the mouth. Muscles liquify. Bones shatter.

They're classified as "inhumane" weapons currently for a reason.

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Considering their sheer size and the fact they launch so slowly from Vultures, theoretically the warheads are in the near-ton range.

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The kind of thing you use to collapse an entire building or tunnel network.

main hill
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Awesome

last anchor
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Theres a lot of that in Halo, really.
The games do not do justice to half the equipment involved in it.
Even standard UNSC firearms are pretty intense by most standards. The AR fires whats considered a battle rifle round in modern terms (most ARs of the current militaries are 5.56 with 7.62 religated to more precision weaponry like DMRs or scout rifles, and of course medium machine guns like the M240)

stable flower
last anchor
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"Cant sign the geneva convention if you dont know where geneva is!"

versed helm
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Some of the elements to Halo remind me of Warhammer at times, lol.

last anchor
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And, I guess, if you wanna talk about inhuman...
Glances at glassing

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And plasma. And blamite. And...well.

main hill
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The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me is how the DMR shoots the same round as the AR but does more damage

unique rune
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because an AR that kills in 5 shots would be nightmarishly overpowered while a semi-auto rifle that kills in 18 would be unusably underpowered

main hill
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I think it makes more sense for it or shoot the 6.5 Creedmore round which is like a 30-06 but better at range

main hill
last anchor
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The most common note people make is that the UNSC suddenly got a LOT more adventerous with its equipment post Halo Reach, as we suddenly got crazy stuff like the Railgun and most recently the Hydra.

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My PERSONAL theory for the DMR is that the longer barrel, single-shot firing mechanism, and higher rifling number means its more accurate and hits harder.

main hill
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The halo sniper rifle uses a 14.5 round which used to be used for anti-tank guns.

last anchor
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Indeed. Oddly, the SMG uses a 5mm caseless. At least, it used too.
Not sure what the new M20 has in it.

main hill
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I bet the M20 shoots like 10mm if I were gonna bet, cuz it isn’t caseless

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And it also has a lot more recoil

main hill
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Aight, if you guys were running a covenant or UNSC fleet what would be your ship composition

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It can be as large or small as you want

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But you can’t just be like, every ship the UNSC or Covenant have. that’s cheap.

vague scroll
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It’s not 10mm, despite not knowing the official caliber we have seen the M20’s ammunition casing and they’re styled after the P90 which are PDW-style or essentially small-caliber rifle bullets. 5.23 or 5.7 mm are generally those types of bullets. 10mm is a much thicker bullet, closer to a 9mm which are flatter, have less penetration and are generally slower.

terse lava
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Guess just a fleet of seven CCS cruisers, along with ten corvettes

main hill
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20 Stormcutters
10 heavy corvettes
6 heavy destroyers
6 CCS class battle cruisers
2 DSC class support ships
2 DDS class carriers
1 CSO super carrier

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Fun times

terse lava
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Indeed

flat swift
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So how much does master chief weight in lb with armor

main hill
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Almost a ton

slim thorn
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Half a ton

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Mark IV Armor was 453.6kg
Mark V Armor was 226.8kg
Mark VI was around 453.6kg
Gen2 was around 200-300kg, depends on the armor variant.

versed helm
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Or how about a fleet of Forerunner ships?

main hill
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If you know any specific forerunner ships then go for it

grim copper
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In armor master Chief is a little over 1000lbs

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The expanded universe is amazing

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Just saying

last anchor
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No lies there mate

fair hazel
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I don't like calling it that though

last anchor
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What, the expanded universe?
Fair enough, its more tied in to the games than, say, Star Wars's stuff used to be.

fair hazel
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Yes that term. Hopefully infinite will still feature a lot of good stuff

last anchor
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They mentioned "adding every armor in Halo, ever" at some point didnt they? Unless thats something the fandom has brought into existence wholesale.

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As well as the mentions of live-service and free multiplayer.
All of these sound good for the gamers because A) unlike other live service games that have to fabricate stuff wholesale (and more often than not doesnt have any connection to anything else), they can pull from existing material.

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SPI armor? Check. Ferret Team Lopis tagged armor coating for your suit? Check.
Coatings in similar color schemes to Grey, Black, Blue, Green, Red, and various other Spartan teams? Check.

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Plus whatever new material they add in for it (like the armor sets we've seen in the WIP, like the sweet new MK VII)

main hill
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I usually just say the lore

fair hazel
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I think they meant in games not in lore

versed helm
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How do the elites mate, they seem to only have one gender?

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At least to reach customization

gilded mason
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They have males and females.

ocean ibex
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^^^

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Have we ever seen a sangheili baby/child

gilded mason
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Not visually.

vague scroll
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we also know they are egg layers

main hill
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Wasn’t there concept art for female Brutes at some point or another

vague scroll
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vaguely, but it was for Project TITAN which was the failed Halo MMO project planned by Ensemble Studios (Halo Wars 1 developer), the project didn't go very far beyond the test concept phase

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none of the project's corresponding concept art has any part in canon

main hill
#

I remember hearing that District 9 was originally supposed to be a Halo Movie where a marine turned into a promethean

vague scroll
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that's a mix of two separate sort of projects

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Halo Chronicles was that Marine-turned-other-thing I believe, that eventually evolved into ODST

gilded mason
vague scroll
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District 9 was a Blumkamp-led project that originally began life as a Halo movie idea but didn't go farther than that

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@gilded mason maybe I'm wrong but I thought Chronicles was a dropped project that's assets formalized into ODST

gilded mason
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Hm. I don't remember anything about that, myself.

vague scroll
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checking Halopedia's entry on it, it says that the Chronicles Bungie team returned back to studio to work on ODST after the plans for Chronicles fell through

gilded mason
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Oh, huh.

vague scroll
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that all being said, District 9 and the early proposed idea for Chronicles are rather, interestingly similar @main hill

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at least the part about receiving an alien body part and eventually becoming more alien than human

versed helm
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Is the beam rifle canonically capable of penetrating the armour of vehicles?

versed helm
#

what happened to lord hood after halo 3?

empty copper
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idk but he was an old mf

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so he prolly dipped out

pale zephyr
versed helm
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thx

coral siren
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How old is Aribtter?

pale zephyr
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73 human years.

ocean ibex
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It’s good at taking out heavy infantry and light armored vehicles, however tanks and other types of heavy vehicles are pretty much unaffected

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I’d say the beam rifle is capable of penetrating the armor of an astartes

versed helm
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I doubt that it could penetrate the armour of a Space Marine, lol.

ocean ibex
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I mean, I guess you could cheat and shoot through the visor

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Enough concentrated fire would eventually burrow through the astartes armor

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The pauldron area would be pretty much untouchable though

versed helm
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You would have to catch the Space Marine with their guard lowered to hit their lenses, which is a very difficult feat to accomplish.

stable flower
#

So the Beam Rifle is an anti-materiel rifle like the human sniper rifle?

versed helm
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Halopedia seems to label it as being one.

main hill
#

How cool would it be to have to fight a Silent Shadows squad in halo infinite

humble yacht
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probably wouldn't be much different than fighting cloaked elites with shields

main hill
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I mean they could definitely make it it different

cedar surge
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How so

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Cause they would be like stealth elites but red and cool

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Unless you give their own special weapons and equipment

main hill
#

They probably have better AI, use squad tactics, equipment, usage of the environment, and have better shields and armor. Halo AIs tend to act differently to each other in general so I don’t see why they wouldn’t make the Silent Shadow have more advanced AIs to use better tactics.

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What was the most powerful ship the UNSC had before the Infinity

cedar surge
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The Punic

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It was th e only other class of super carrier for the unsc

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I think nearly all of them were destroyed

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The one that may have been that last was destroyed at reach

craggy sierra
main hill
# craggy sierra Still dies immediately to a noob combo

True but I don’t think it’s necessarily about making the silent shadow a whole new enemy necessarily if you get what I mean, I think just getting their AI to behave differently and for them to use different equipment would be enough to make them feel different than the stealth elites

uncut kernel
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-immunity to plasma pistols

main hill
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Lmao

main hill
#

How ODPs built?

cedar surge
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90 percent gun

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10 percent station

signal cove
#

has anybody read "Halo: new blood"?

vague scroll
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yeah what's your inquiry?

signal cove
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well

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I'm new to the lore and backstory of halo because I haven't played it since I was like 11

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and I have this and another halo book, I'm wondering if reading these before any others would affect the chronology

vague scroll
#

it would if you're stingy about reading things in canonical/chronological order but if you're just reading for the sake of entering the universe, New Blood is okay for the most part.

New Blood as a quick explanation, is the book-sequel-of-sorts to Halo 3: ODST and follows the team, Alpha-9, from the game. It also explains some greater detail about things you learn in Halo 4 and 5 but they're not important to know for either game and is generally its own thing. After reading New Blood, you would go to its sequel Halo: Bad Blood which is set right after Halo 5 and follows Alpha-9 again.

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As for the recommending stories to read from the lore to get to the sort of 'very start', you'd best check out Halo: Contact Harvest which covers first contact with the Covenant and Battle of Harvest, or Halo: Fall of Reach which covers the final battle of Reach (doesn't address anything related to Halo: Reach due to being written a decade before the game), Fall of Reach is the very first Halo novel

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there's a profanity filter as a heads up

signal cove
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nice

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yeah lol

vague scroll
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yeah sorry should've mentioned that 😅

signal cove
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no worries haha

vague scroll
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Halo: Silent Storm is also a good starting point too as its one of the earlier-set Halo novels and follows many of the key characters in the Halo games and novels (Blue Team, Chief, and Johnson) in the very early parts of the Covenant War and its one of the more popular novels in the 343i era of Halo

signal cove
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ohh

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yeah I'll definitely check that out, thanks

vague scroll
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np hope that helps

signal cove
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btw alpha 9 was the team who were in Persuit of Chief in halo 5 right?

vague scroll
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no they are not

signal cove
#

oh

vague scroll
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Fireteam Osiris is the team that 'hunts' chief in Halo 5

signal cove
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ohh yea I remember lol

vague scroll
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Alpha-9's team leader, Buck, is on Fireteam Osiris, but its only a temporary assignment

signal cove
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okay gotcha

vague scroll
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New Blood and Bad Blood give a little explanation to why

signal cove
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I'll keep that in mind then

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cheers for the help g

vague scroll
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np

shut dew
#

Every time I hear the "The precursors were always the flood and created life as a food source" or "The Flood is the precursors true form" theories, I die inside

signal cove
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xd

shut dew
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The moment 343 wipes whatever nuance the Precursors have left is when I lose confidence in the greater universe

cedar surge
#

If the precursors were always flood they would just infect the galaxy without hesitation

vague scroll
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they haven't touched the Precursors since they brought on Greg Bear to write the Bornstellar trilogy

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they only clarified a few things on them in Warfleet but that's about it

cedar surge
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Probably for good reason

shut dew
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Having the Precursors attempt to wipe out the Forerunners anyway cheapened the Precursor-Forerunner war IMO

vague scroll
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given that they're the ones that even gave us nuance on the Precursors to begin with, I really wouldn't worry about them doing anything to the Precursors that don't have some better purpose for the overarching lore in mind

humble yacht
#

Who had the precursors attempt that?

terse lava
#

I actually prefer the precursors attempting to wipe out the Forerunners. Gave it a better reason for the rebellion besides a childish, "MY MANTLE"

humble yacht
#

Nah, I like the forerunners succumbing to fear and preemptively striking without provocation

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Makes them more fallible

versed helm
#

So could Mars's population be somewhat near Earth's population since it was one of the first planets colonized by humanity?

vague scroll
#

no, Reach is indisputably the second most populated world in UEG space

versed helm
#

Then there's Forseti

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Which has a population of 500mil

uncut kernel
#

until those dumb dinos showed up

signal cove
#

dinos? what

uncut kernel
#

elites, its a joke nickname

fresh hamlet
#

playing through h3 campaign again

#

What's the reason for why grunts and hunters side with the Covenant again?

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they were with the elites by the end of h2

gilded mason
#

Some sided with Covenant, some sided with Elites

fresh hamlet
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oh but we don't see any grunts or hunters on our side

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only on the enemy

gilded mason
#

Because Bungie thought that would confuse players

terse lava
#

Yep

craggy sierra
#

That’s cause Halo 3 is scared of having an interesting story and actively fought against having one in development

fresh hamlet
#

ah that kinda ruins the immersion

gilded mason
#

There's a lot of stuff out there that'll do that lol

fresh hamlet
#

yeah fair

craggy sierra
#

Arbiter was originally going to continue having his own missions but then got reduced to a somehow less interesting Cortana stand in who’s only purpose is to give intel updates and direction.

gilded mason
#

😩

fresh hamlet
#

feels bad

terse lava
#

Least we can say halo 2 was Thel's story.

uncut kernel
#

stupid e-girl character

terse lava
#

Huh?

dusty prawn
#

@humble yacht I think that is still implied as the largest possibility. I think the only ones who said the precursors were going to wipe out the forerunners were the forerunners, but I might be forgetting something.

main hill
#

You know we never hear of or see any Jackals joining the Arbiter and we are left to assume they just went to the highest bidder

gilded mason
#

Of course. All members of a species have the same personality, after all.

uncut kernel
#

They most likely meant a majority

gilded mason
#

That's...still not good.

uncut kernel
#

Really wasn't expanded on tbh

shut dew
#

Bungie Halo was really bad on 2D non-humans and 343 has only gradually moved past such one-noters, but not to the point of breaking in-game stereotypes

gilded mason
#

Bungie Halo was really bad on 2D non-humans
Though they were the only ones that included playable aliens. Both in campaign and multiplayer. So they've got that going for them.

shut dew
#

Well yeah, positive

gilded mason
#

Here's hoping Infinite does something about that...

shut dew
#

It won't. I'm sorry. If you think Escharum or Hyperius or any other region boss are going to be stereotype breakers with an actual personality, think again.

#

"Simple Story" "Humans vs Aliens"

gilded mason
#

😔

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(Multiplayer, at least. Maybe)

strong sage
#

I was wondering as for the multplayer for Halo infinite i assume we will be using Spartan IV yes? Like still under the simulation training war games etc

gilded mason
#

Still seems to be simulation stuff, yeah

strong sage
#

Can’t wait for more feats for the gen 3 mjolnir thou.

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Is it still the same as the previous gens or this one much more stronger and better? Havent acquired the shadows or reach novel yet ;-;

terse lava
#

Eh I am just waiting for the Sangheili to return to mp

gilded mason
terse lava
#

Indeed, we can certainly hop-watches eventual announcement of playable Jiralhanae and more Spartan armor

gilded mason
#

lol

shut dew
#

TBH Playable Jiralhanae makes sense hitbox wise

#

But.... you'd have to shrink them

terse lava
#

Only if Sangheili are included too

#

Waited a decade for their return

gilded mason
#

Indeed.

#

Remember that million page thread that's been on Waypoint since before Halo 4 came out?

terse lava
#

Yep, seen it plenty

paper coyote
#

I love you ostro and ado!

terse lava
#

Rather random, what brought that on?

paper coyote
#

Im into big muscly sangheili

gilded mason
#

lol

terse lava
#

Heh

fair hazel
#

This is...

#

Odd..

terse lava
#

Agreed

#

Kinda the reason I chuckled at it

ocean ibex
#

Halo has a rather... interesting fandom

terse lava
#

Hm?

stable flower
#

That was savage how Kelly spit on John's face in TFoRA

jagged schooner
#

@paper coyote ooookk....?

paper coyote
#

ATTENTION HALO FANS. What is your favorite halo armor?

ruby vessel
#

warrent officer grade 2

paper coyote
#

Mine is shinobi and locus

ruby vessel
#

shinobi looks pretty cool

#

whats ur favorit sangheili armor?

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@paper coyote

craggy osprey
#

Otherwise, for Gen 2 armors, I'd say Defender with air assault shoulders.

#

And Halo 5's Mark IV armor set isn't bad either.

paper coyote
#

in general, halo 4 and 5 zealot.

main hill
#

Did the UNSC ever use the Magellan Recoilless Rifle in any method other then on the Orion suit of armor?

unique rune
#

...Magellan recoilless rifle?
What’s that from?

main hill
#

It’s the big shoulder mounted cannon the Orion armor suit had

worn pawn
#

As someone who only beat CE, 4 and 5 and played parts of 2 and 3 how many halo rings are there? And how many are destroyed now??

unique rune
#

Ah
Didn’t know it was called the Magellan

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If Halopedia doesn’t list any other uses of the Magellan I would generally say it’s a safe bet that it hasn’t been used elsewhere that we know of

main hill
#

Feels like it would have been a really useful weapon in the lore until the Halo 5 gauss cannon. Would’ve been a good infantry transportable anti-tank weapon.

main hill
worn pawn
unique rune
#

As someone who only beat CE, 4 and 5 and played parts of 2 and 3 how many halo rings are there? And how many are destroyed now??
12 rings in the larger, original senescent array, 11 of which were destroyed while the remaining one was downsized and repaired to be the 7th ring of the neoteric array

Neoteric array consists of 7 smaller rings
Installation 04 was destroyed in CE
Its replacement (Installation 08) was almost finished in Halo 3 but destroyed during its premature firing

The replacement for that ring (Installation 09) was finished during the events of Halo Wars 2, intercepted in transit to its final position by a Guardian

main hill
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Idk why but I feel like 343 will end up retconning the Halo Wars 2 ending with the Guardian showing up at the ring. I only say this because we still haven’t seen any hint of the Created in the trailers yet.

worn pawn
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So 08 was destroyed by arbiter and chief IIRC and 04 was just destroyed by chief but what about the ring in Halo Infinite? Is that explained in the recent reach book

humble yacht
worn pawn
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And its a possibility we could be playing on 09 or is that out of the question

humble yacht
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even if the created don't show up in infinite (which would be stupid), the events of HW2 still happened

unique rune
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The ring in Infinite hasn’t been explicitly identified yet but some info suggests that it’s likely Installation 07/Zeta Halo

humble yacht
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it has been explicitly identified

gilded mason
unique rune
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Has it? I must have missed that

humble yacht
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yep

worn pawn
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So in infinite its 07

gilded mason
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Yes

main hill
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Yes, I’m just stupid

worn pawn
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Oo ok

unique crater
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So. Halo, the game

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Everything we know from start to finnish

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Go

humble yacht
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no

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halopedia has summaries for you

versed helm
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Does Mister Chief wear a Mark VI helmet?

humble yacht
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Mister Chief wears an Oh Hai Mark VI helmet

noble kite
main hill
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Someone made a 28 minute video on this

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Search up “I read every halo book” and it should be one of the first options

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Here

stable flower
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It's amazing how the UNSC originally developed most of their deadliest equipment for counter-insurgency purposes.

humble yacht
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that's because humans are experts at fighting humans

main hill
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The Vulture was going to be disbanded as it was seen as overkill to use in counter insurgency and then the Human-covenant war started

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I think it’s disbanded now tho there is still some out there and apparently Insurrectionists have gotten their hands on a few before.

vague scroll
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not quite, the Vulture became less common over the course of the HCW due to extreme combat losses, but they're still around - there's some consideration to bring them back by ONI Materials Group

main hill
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I bet if they bring it back, it’ll come back with shielding

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It only makes sense considering it should have the space for it

vague scroll
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not really, the vast majority of human vehicles lack energy shielding

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and I mean post-war too

main hill
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Yeah but the Vulture should definitely have the size and space for it

vague scroll
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its not about size or space

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the three "multiplayer" vehicles we have with shielding are the Mantis, Wasp, and Sabre/Broadsword

main hill
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I doubt we’ll ever see the vulture in a mainline halo game

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I’m talking in general

vague scroll
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I know you're talking in general, I'm just saying the logical reach doesn't really work since there isn't a real pattern to say it should or will be given energy shielding

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vehicles of similar size: Pelican, Condor, Albatross, etc. don't have any shielding despite same size and existing after the Covenant War

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and the Vulture is featured in HW2 without shielding

main hill
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The pelican in halo 4 had shields

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The only reason the Condor doesn’t have shields or hyperdrive in halo wars is because it’s mentioned that they removed both to direct power to the weapons on it

vague scroll
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I don't ever remember H4's G79 Pelican having energy shielding

main hill
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And Vulture Halo Wars 1 are the same as in halo wars 2

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I have bad memory

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You right*

vague scroll
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its fine, despite them being the same between HW1 and 2, the Spirit of Fire did gain post-war-era upgrades through the available information provided by Isabel so if there were such upgrades to be made, they would've appeared as such for the Vultures in some cases

main hill
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Yeah but the Vulture was also disbanded by the time of Halo Wars 2 so they probably hadn’t made any modifications

vague scroll
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still a few in service, just not actively maintained/on screen/in the extended media

stable flower
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The only thing different about HW2's Vulture is that it has a PHOENIX missile for a special ability instead of the salvo like in HW1.

main hill
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Well assuming there is only a few in service it probably wasn’t worth it to even modify it if it wasn’t going to be used much

main hill
paper coyote
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ngl halo legends has the best soundtrack

acoustic tundra
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I really like halo 3 ODST because it’s epic

pale zephyr
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Gimme that sax

versed helm
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I think that Legends' soundtrack is too theatrical, if that makes any sense to you, lol.

main hill
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Honestly

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If they ever made an animated Halo Show

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They should definitely do it in the style of The Prototype

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I don’t care if it’s out dated by peoples standards it looks awesome and works perfectly

#

Do you think if the Orion project managed to go into full production that Orion project members would be able to fit their armor depending on the mission type? I think the Orion Suit looks a lot more modular than Mjolnir and you could probably put different types of weapons on it

ocean ibex
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Honestly we need more music that have the same punch and power as sacred icon suite 2

vague scroll
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@main hill Studio Bones did Prototype's animation, also worked on well known anime like Full Metal Alchemist and My Hero Academia among others

main hill
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Cool

vague scroll
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also, what do you mean by Orion suit?

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Project ORION didn't have any dedicated power armor

humble yacht
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probably HW2's Johnson mechsuit

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but johnson's appearance in that game is non canon

vague scroll
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I had that presumption but I didn't want to make the call until he clarified

cedar surge
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Wait but wasn't that suit related to the original prototypes suit?

vague scroll
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it is and that's really what I was asking about, the HRUNTING suits never had anything to do with Orion

humble yacht
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that hrunting suit design or whatever certainly came from somewhere but its not like every member of Project Orion got one

vague scroll
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the only Orion member ever seen in a HRUNTING suit was Johnson, and that one as you pointed out early is non-canon

main hill
vague scroll
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not quite @main hill the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark 1 was based on what was intended for the SPARTAN-IIs

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the suits were conceived many decades after Project ORION was already shut down

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Mark III became HW's Cyclops, Mark IX became the Mantis

humble yacht
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They skipped a few marks

vague scroll
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military organizations can never make up their mind on designation parameters, real or fictional...

paper coyote
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There are very few things on this earth that can make me cry

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One of those things being halo legends soundtrack

paper coyote
gilded mason
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Sword, myself.

hidden yacht
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Sword

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Energy sword are my jam

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Give me dual smg and energy sword and I am all set

vague scroll
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Hammer, given my pension for it grifball, I’m a everything-is-a-nail kind of guy I guess

fair hazel
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I want sword but with more customization, more personalization

jagged schooner
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Question : iyo who is the most mysterious character in halo, mine is the sword master okro vagaduun

carmine sleet
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From what I can tell on Halopedia, they aren't really painted as a "mysterious" type character

fresh hamlet
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Just thought, why does the gravemind only have red flesh? Shouldn’t he also have biomass from grunts and elites who have blue/purple flesh?

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Tbf he doesn’t have red flesh either in the original halo 2, it’s all just floody yellow

pulsar grail
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how would flesh remain red tho

fresh hamlet
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That’s another good point

pulsar grail
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maybe he sheds idk

unique crater
#

Can someone join me in general discussion voice chat? There are things about the lore/games that I have questions about.

signal osprey
humble yacht
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Gravemind looks more green than red to me

fair hazel
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You can ask them here @unique crater

ocean ibex
slim thorn
humble yacht
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that gravemind predated the arrival of the covenant by millenia

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maybe whatever species contributed to its formation was red-blooded like humans

old patrol
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So question. And apologies if it has been answered. I recently listened to Halo: Last Light, and I was wondering do we ever hear about Inspector lopez and the gammas ever again? Or has there not been anything released yet? I'm listening through all the books audible has and I just finished Halo Renegades without any further mentions. I would love a book with Mom and the Gammas

carmine sleet
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From what I have heard, they show up in Shadows of Reach

old patrol
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@carmine sleet awesome thanks!!!

carmine sleet
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No problem. And next time, you don't need to tag me

old patrol
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Understood my bad

uncut kernel
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oh shoot.

heavy gazelle
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its lore

uncut kernel
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technically its cannon in halo

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any histroy is, actually

heavy gazelle
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^^^^

unique rune
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From what I have heard, they show up in Shadows of Reach
Yep. Very briefly but they are involved a bit.

slim thorn
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and now, they are going to meet up with SoF on The Ark

obsidian thistle
little cedar
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Reminder that Kinsano has an epic background

slim thorn
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Not to mention she's one of the Insurrectionist that defects to UNSC.

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and becoming CO of Hellbringers Regiment at SoF

midnight apex
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just a dumb question, what part of any halo game has the biggest lore?

craggy sierra
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Lore isn’t like a resource with varying amounts of distribution and that question can mean so many things

midnight apex
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true

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I should have explained a bit more

craggy sierra
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Like which lore are you looking for?

midnight apex
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just stuff about the Spartan armor really

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like how did all of it come to exist, be made, what’s it made of

craggy sierra
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CEA has terminals that explain the lore of guilty spark, H2A has terminals that explain the lore of the covenant and heretics, H3 has terminals that give the lore of the tail end of the forerunners battles told through an AI, Halo 4s terminals show the lore of the Didact, ancient humanity and the forerunners and some of how the flood caused then to become enemies and the resulting fallout.

craggy sierra
midnight apex
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ty for the info

versed helm
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Technically speaking, doesn't Halo 5 have the most "amount" of lore surrounding it?

craggy sierra
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Not really. It’s literally just character introductions.

versed helm
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Does that aspect to the lore allow you to discount it?

craggy sierra
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I mean so does shadow’s of reach

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But also that’s a story set chronologically after H5

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Not something you’d debatably need going in

severe patrol
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Dude, this is top tier stuff... I considered myself a halo lore nerd, but i understand half of this conversation here

versed helm
thorny wren
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Is there an order to the halo books?

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If so tell me please

craggy sierra
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Yes

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Release order

jolly furnace
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In regards to Flood making organic spaceships, they may be able to make quasi-organic ships, a hybrid so to speak. Didn't they essentially do that to High Charity, turned it into Flood Biomass mostly, while keeping the vital tech intact?

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As to the Domain, Forthencho says most of the knowledge the Precursors gathered was gathered by them before there were stars in the cosmos and that they stored it in the Domain (which according to Catalog viewing the memories of the Gravemind, was created by the Precursors half a billion years ago in the MWG).

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Either they predate the Halo universe or the Halo universe is older then our real life one

terse lava
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I figure in halo, the universe is older, with the Precursors likely not being the first big fish in the sea

jolly furnace
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We don't know but it makes no sense to me to have the Precursors as billions of years old with god-like tech and literal reality-screwing powers and not have them be the biggest fish in the ocean since the start or at least the current one.

#

No point in having an eons old race we can't really relate to with literal godlike powers and tech and then reveal even older eons-old Precursors who ever even more OP.

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That's just lazy writing to me espcially since it would never be relevent to the plot and make the struggles of current species even more insignificant in the grand scheme then they already are

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Besides some novel series already did that plot, were a planet is found were the current races build on top of a Precursor race called Forerunners only to discover that those one did the same with the ruins of an older race and so and so on and so on. It literally just keeps going without end seemingly.

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Or like in Stargate were we have the Alterans, a 50 million year old race of humans who were the biggest fish in the cosmos as mortals and then ascended to a higher plane of existence becoming Q-lite energy beings with godlike power. Then its learned that they found evidence of an even older more OP species of aliens (or God) who left a message or pattern in the fabric of the universe at the Big Bang or before it.

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Point is we don't need yet another older more OP race then the Precursors in Halo given the Precursors' age, OPness already.

uncut kernel
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The grunt toy is the creator of the universe, legends has it they made it with a bungie cord that eventually got bored and jumped away

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it is infact the greatest being EVER

versed helm
#

Out of jokes, by any chance noble 6 might be alive?

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No.

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i expected to see him shadows of reach 😦

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I havent read the book tho

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only precursor new lore that would be fine if it turns out they planned on dying but the whole flood thing was just the universe sweetness turning spicy

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I expected Master Chief to encounter his corpse, to be honest.

#

You read the book? There wasnt even a reference of him? sad

fair hazel
#

Why sad... why would you encounter anything six related..

steep ether
#

they did briefly mention noble team and sword base

versed helm
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I still need to read the book at some point in the future.

#

most spartans III were used as dispossable heroes ; (thats what i didnt really liked

cedar surge
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Well actually

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Noble team was remembered

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In the future they get their own statue in new Alexandria when reach is restored

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But yea the public can't actually tell between the difference between Spartan generations I think

carmine sleet
craggy sierra
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Also the elements, climate, and planet literally being glassed would’ve most likely covered up all traces of the body.

versed helm
craggy sierra
#

I know but even outside of the areas of glassing the book goes into explicit detail on how much it all just screwed the environment everywhere

versed helm
#

oh

stable flower
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S-IVs were created to fight anything else out there in space, right?

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Or were they originally created to fight the Covenant?

versed helm
craggy sierra
versed helm
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@versed helm Maybe because was actually too good to die, and halo reach is totally different from the original saga, its dark and shows how not every hero is like master chief, although they were spartans but not as good as IIs

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June being the only survivor says a lot, because he was a camper >: (

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Idk, it wouldnt have been too bad if he survived

versed helm
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Jun charecter always stayed backing in the fight being a sniper and all, that being said him being the last noble team survivor shows that it makes sense for him to stay back

barren ferry
#

What do you guys think would be the ideal anti-flood squad

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Using units from the covenant

versed helm
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Engineers maybe

barren ferry
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that can fight

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engineers can't do much about combat forms roaming.

versed helm
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Elites

barren ferry
#

I'd honestly go for Elite Rangers

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With Plasma Rifles or Carbines, their choice

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with energy swords as a backup weapon.

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they should be able to quell an outbreak somewhere without too much issue, given their gear.

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I'd also include a few Grunt Ultras and Jackal Majors

main hill
#

A lot of the Spartan projects after Spartan 2 program were just trying to get more Spartans and cheaper Spartans

main hill
craggy sierra
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I mean it wasn’t exactly just a matter of being cheaper but the technology got more reliable and efficient and we got it to the point where we no longer need to kidnap kids into military indoctrination

versed helm
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Yes -car

stable flower
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Suicide Grunts

stable flower
main hill
barren ferry
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I would much prefer a mix of elites and brute chieftains

ocean ibex
#

Jk jk

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Sentinels are arguably the best for quelling small scale outbreaks

barren ferry
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Let's just use everything, Space Marines, Jedi, Spartans, elites, everyone

ocean ibex
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And large scale to a certain extent

barren ferry
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Sentinels I'm not too sure of.

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Sure their beams are effective.

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Problem is their shields are either too weak or they don't have them at all

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Allowing them to be easily taken out by enough combat forms.

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Spark even says they can only handle the flood on their own for a short time.

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Plus they are pretty vulnerable to plasma based weaponry, to the point where a single charged plasma pistol bolt will render one useless.

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They would be good support units for the organic soldiers though.

ocean ibex
#

Then again, you shouldn’t be worrying about anti flood teams

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Cuz once you detect one spore, you’d have to throw the entire planet away

barren ferry
#

Not really. That was kind of an exaggeration.

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Glassing the area can help.

ocean ibex
#

Good safety measures

barren ferry
#

You don't need to full on death star the planet.

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Hell, one spore just creates one combat form.

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And on their own, let's just say combat forms don't do all that well. They do have enough strength to send a spartan flying, problem is their flesh is weak as hell.

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If it runs into the wrong marine, and said marine has a shotgun

ocean ibex
#

Welp, it’s strong enough to tank an entire mag from an AP assault rifle

barren ferry
#

They use 7.62FMJ rounds.

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And I've only ever heard of brutes being able to pull that off.

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Besides, the shotgun is pretty good at annihilating combat forms.

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If it runs into the wrong marine wielding one, chances are it's screwed.

#

The flood in the feral stage isn't exactly too, too difficult to contain. It's when you let them get a foot in the door that they become a problem (proto gravemind and up)

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And if the combat form is so unlucky that it runs into an elite or spartan first? Whatever chances it had of spreading the infection through the entire planet has now gone up in smoke.

ocean ibex
#

The problem with containing the flood isn’t killing all of them, it’s destroying all samples of their DNA without anyone else getting infected

barren ferry
#

I think a flamethrower could take care of that if it's just one combat form.

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Or plasma rifle, seeing as that's even hotter.

ocean ibex
#

Flamethrowers have trouble killing living combat forms, the best use for them is burning down flood hives/Proto graveminds

barren ferry
#

If the combat form dies due to the spartan, then the flamethrower can do it.

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Or elite, either one is fine.

main hill
#

Flamethrowers are probably the second best weapon against flood tbh, others either require you to get too close or you can’t carry a lot of ammo for

barren ferry
#

Also, combat forms do have difficulty at times spreading the infection on their own. If the gash they create from slashing a person with their whip appendage isn't deep enough, that person won't be infected.

barren ferry
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(Energy sword is still viable as it's pretty much just a lightsaber with a different shape)

main hill
#

My list is like, Shotgun, Energy sword, grav hammer, flamethrower, sentinel beams

barren ferry
#

Add Plasma rifle to the list

ocean ibex
#

Sentinel beams would be better than flamethrowers

main hill
#

That’s why I say they are the best

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The sentinel beam kinda deletes the flood

barren ferry
#

How powerful are sentinel beams exactly? Even stronger than an energy sword or lightsaber in terms of its ability to cut through things like metal?

main hill
#

Yeah

ocean ibex
#

Oh, mb, thought you were listing them from worst to best

main hill
#

In Ghosts of Onyx sentinels were op and their sentinel beams could do a lot of damage

barren ferry
#

Well the beams yes

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I think the problem lies within the strength of the sentinels themselves

main hill
#

Yes

barren ferry
#

As well as the fact the sentinel beam drains fast when not used by one.

main hill
#

The ones on Onyx were a different variant

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Your standard Sentinel can’t adapt

barren ferry
#

I'm not sure how they weren't able to make the sentinel beam at least last as long as a plasma rifle would

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When not with a sentinel.

main hill
#

I think that was for gameplay balance

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I also consider it to be the best because it can take multiple targets out at a time, this is a trait with the rest of the weapons on my list but the Sentinel beam has range

barren ferry
#

If I could pick a type of soldier from any series to help with a flood outbreak

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Probably something akin to a Droideka

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Those droids can hold choke points very well.

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@main hill imagine Droidekas with sentinel beams lmao

main hill
#

That’d be crazy

barren ferry
#

Apparently in legends, Droideka shields could eat several rockets

ocean ibex
#

Cuz it’s legends

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Legends is legends

barren ferry
#

I prefer that over the new canon to be perfectly honest

ocean ibex
#

Star Wars EU is essentially warhammer

barren ferry
#

While true, legends has some dumb things in it, that was largely post ROTJ legends

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Post ROTJ, yes. Pre ROTJ, hell no.

main hill
#

Legends stats are ludicrous ngl

uncut kernel
#

they probably just pulled a number outta the place no-person-has-ever-gone-before

barren ferry
#

For some, yes. Although usually for large capital ships such as star destroyers. Which makes sense as those are what they use to glass planets with Base Delta Zero.

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But in TROS episode 9, they really pulled a stupid move with the star destroyer

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Like, a single one destroying a planet in a single shot

uncut kernel
#

wait I legit thought I was in a star wars server :|

barren ferry
#

Is utter BS, Star Destroyers can't outright destroy a planet death star style with only 200 Gigatons on the turbolasers.

#

Glass it, sure. But destroy it completely? No.

uncut kernel
#

The writers probably just came up with something and thought ''okay that might work''

barren ferry
#

With star destroyers it wouldn't.

#

No capital ship in fiction should be capable of destroying planets death star style, that just defeats the purpose of superweapons.

#

The most I believe capital ships should be capable of is Glassing planets.

#

They could have pulled an Eclipse class star destroyer situation, in which it does have a weaker death star laser

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But it never worked.

uncut kernel
#

Episode 10 - ties have the ability to wipe out star systems

barren ferry
#

LOL

#

you're gonna give them ideas stop

delicate notch
#

1 SD can destroy a planet, but 25.000 SDs with full crews and fighters can't defeat a couple of hundred of disorganized rebels with half of them basically being cargo ships. Totally makes sense!

barren ferry
#

Honestly, the first order was just a bunch of incompetent bafoons @delicate notch

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they literally just wanted to rehash the OT.