#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 447

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Halo's lumbering by comparison. You move too slow to structure a challenge around dodging attacks. TTKs are too high to structure a fight around having to carefully pick when to peak cover to output damage.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 12:35 AM

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And finish him off in a quick time event

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Am pretty sure you can sprint in halo?

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Like all of Halo's mechanics if anything are designed to make the core gameplay challenge killing everything as quickly as possible to bypass the high TTK.

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You can sprint in Halo but you're still in contention with elements like a massive moon jump that add that extra heft to movements and again, shields regenerate so any fight involving them means you have to lay the damage on thick and fast. You can't really lay off.

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So you can't make a fight around choosing optimal cover peaking

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Cause like 3 seconds in cover and woops, guess the fight just reset

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tl;dr people who say Halo's simplicity is a positive are hypocrites if they also think Halo should try boss fights

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 1:48 AM

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ty @cedar surge

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so im guessing UNSC infinity is a much bigger ship than the other UNSC ships like Pillar of Autumn and Forward onto Dawn

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 1:50 AM

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fringe ice so im guessing UNSC infinity is a much bigger ship than the other UNSC ships lik...

https://external-preview.redd.it/uk6Xx5AFp-N_7QCpfCaqzsgIuhFMOhfe4dyEuT6u8W8.jpg?auto=webp&s=a2bf0b8af8dce012c2771a5596b22ae030c7f6c4

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 1:50 AM

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ohhh geeeezzz

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oh wait nvm, they didn't include the covenant super carrier or High Charity in this comparison

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still thats a big ship

cedar surge Dec 22, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Yea the infinity is 5 km long

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 1:56 AM

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I love the flood lore anyone else

terse lava Dec 22, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Its ok, covenant lore best though

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 1:58 AM

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thicc ship

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 1:59 AM

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I like all of the halo lore

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Flood lore is interesting but there’s not much to do with it at this point

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:03 AM

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True

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You know what that means

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Precursor trilogy here we come!!!!

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 2:03 AM

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no

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:06 AM

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I like to learn halo lore and I love the halo universe

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:07 AM

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craggy sierra Flood lore is interesting but there’s not much to do with it at this point

I see where are you are coming from but it still good to know your things about the terrifying space super zombies

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:08 AM

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west silo Precursor trilogy here we come!!!!

That would be cool

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Depends on how they would handle it

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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west silo Depends on how they would handle it

Yea that’s true

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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But i think the precursors are better being left in mystery

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Like how they are right now

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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west silo But i think the precursors are better being left in mystery

I do also think that as well

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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We know so much about them and yet so little

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It just makes you want more

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Yup

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Well that's how I see it anyways many will disagree

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:11 AM

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That’s the point of having your own opinions tho

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Like the people who thought the forerunner trilogy was a mistake for showing us the forerunners

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Like come the forerunner trilogy is great

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Primordium is boring

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But that doesn't make it bad

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Nah, the forerunners trilogy is great and keeps the franchise going

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I know

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I do wish that soldiers were in halo 4

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:12 AM

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What soldiers?

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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The forerunner soldiers, my bad

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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There were

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The prometheans soldiers

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Not in game play

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Who were then changed to armigers

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Ohhh you mean real forerunner soldiers

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Like warrior servants

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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There were knights, crawlers and watchers no soldiers

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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There were soldiers they were extremely easy to kill

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:14 AM

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The forerunner soldiers out of halo 5 would of been cool in halo 4

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:15 AM

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They also dropped suppressors allot

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Yea

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That was there main weapon tho like the elites with there storm rifles

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I like the storm rifle honestly

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Sure it doesn't look "alien" but I don't really care

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Neither do brute weapons look alien

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Amd everyone loves those

hollow jewel Dec 22, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I don't get the hate for storm rifles

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I don’t get the hate for 343 there doing great and a bit of positive feedback would do great as well

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:37 AM

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They get alot of undeserved hate

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But halo 5 campaign hate is definitely deserved

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The death threats they sent to the writer tho? Hell no

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:40 AM

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lapis vector I don’t get the hate for 343 there doing great and a bit of positive feedback wo...

343 likes to make a lot of changes sometimes good sometimes bad people hate change bada Bing bada boom

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Oh and 343 aren't bungie so fans just plain hate them for no reason

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Yea I know but there have gotten so much hate for just making new halo games

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:41 AM

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And as we all know bungie was a perfect developer that could do no wrong

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People hate sprint for no reason

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Yea

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:41 AM

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343 likes sprint

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343 bad

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That's the logic

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Sprint is ok in my books

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:42 AM

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So as mine

lapis vector Dec 22, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Ok nice chat but I gtg

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Alright laters

scarlet crest Dec 22, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Hey guys can you help me with something possibly?

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Me and my dad were watching clone wars he thought there was similarities, and thought there was a halo version of a droideka

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Is there something similar other than the jackal?

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Hunters?

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Elites

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The only similarity is that they are special units with shields

cedar surge Dec 22, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Hey wait

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Ain't there a promethean unit like that?

barren ferry Dec 22, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Brutes technically have shields too, or power armor I should say during halo 3

cedar surge Dec 22, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Like a watcher or crawler?

barren ferry Dec 22, 2020, 3:07 AM

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But nah, none of those units are similar to a droideka

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More so a cross between that and a BX Commando Droid.

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I mean the spartans are like jedis

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as someone said earlier

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 3:16 AM

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...Maybe he was thinking of the Shade turret?

Doesn't have any impervious energy shield nor is it mobile, but the rounded shape and rapid-fire plasma guns might've seemed similar?

cedar surge Dec 22, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I think the banished have something similar too that

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With all the crazy stuff they been making

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I want to play Halo Wars 2 so bad but idk why it is $60 still

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 3:20 AM

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The banished have skitters

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Basically little drones piloted by lekgolo

sterile crescent Dec 22, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Why are reach elites enemies while halo 3 elites are your allies

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Because Reach takes place during the Fall of Reach.

sterile crescent Dec 22, 2020, 3:37 AM

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But isn't it supposed to be in chronological order with halo 3 events happening before reach

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 3:38 AM

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No. Reach is a prequel. As seen by the Pillar of Autumn being intact, Keyes being there, Cortana being there, etc

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 3:38 AM

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doesn't reach take place before CE?

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or am i thinking wrong

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 3:38 AM

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You are correct. It even has dates for everything on screen that removes all ambiguity.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 3:39 AM

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yeahh, that makes sense.

sterile crescent Dec 22, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Oh thanks so much

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 3:39 AM

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it would also explain the brief chief cameo in the pillar of autumn mission

stable flower Dec 22, 2020, 3:39 AM

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I'm talking about the player killing human enemies

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 3:40 AM

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remember Reach

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ye i got you atp

cedar surge Dec 22, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Reach to 3 is just 3 months

terse lava Dec 22, 2020, 4:21 AM

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Yep

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Reach is still the best game

terse lava Dec 22, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Would disagree

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:08 AM

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~~more like Reach-ing for reasons to care about Noble Team~~

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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fringe ice Reach is still the best game

Now that's a reach

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Yaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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time 2 die. ☺️

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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lpl

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idk I think.reach had the best story and gameplay

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Story was good

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Wouldn't say the best

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But that's the funny thing about opinions

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They differ

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Like how I don't really care about customization in games where you barely see you character while others will fight you for it

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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the story sure was okay
campaign had some neat ideas but didn’t really convince me to care about Noble outside of 052

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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I found Carter to be the blandest character

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Hes just the typical leader guy

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He doesn't even have any leader moments

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Well aside from his death scene

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:15 AM

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A259 mostly just felt like he was there to be B320’s phoneline to Col. Holland to me

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:15 AM

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I actually felt more for kat

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:15 AM

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“yeah Kat has an idea that we need to greenlight”

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:16 AM

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She was frustrating in game

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But after she dies you just really miss her

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The way she would drive off a random cliff

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The way she'd just stop in front of an enemy wraith

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The way she would run you over at the worse time

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:18 AM

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My solution was that I just didn’t let her drive
ever

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:18 AM

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That was the most fun part of the game

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:20 AM

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I can’t speak for anyone else but there’s a very good Youtube analysis video comparing the physical storytelling of mocapped characters between Halo Reach and 5, and for all it’s flaws I still consider a solid, if even great Halo game.

It’s more subdued and yes the multiplayer wasn’t as well received from a competitive scope and is often remarked as the killer of the competitive Halo scene. That said, Halo Reach was my true entry into the franchise, and it with Halo 4 were the key pieces that got me into the lore and writing fanfiction about the franchise as well. Before all that, I could care less about the stakes - it took me a few years to really accept and value Covenant and Sangheili society in depth with the likes of Halo 2 and 3. Halo Reach really worked for me because it felt the most grounded, the most straight laced military-like of the franchise up to that point.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:21 AM

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So was it mine

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:21 AM

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That’s what did good for me, that doesn’t have to be the case for any of you, but I don’t really see much in same critiques as has been laid out here in the chat in the last 10 minutes or so.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:22 AM

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To be hones why me and my friend liked reach was because it made us feel like heroes killing evil aliens and saving civilians was great

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And we thought we would win in the end

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Even when every was dying and the cities were on fire we thought we'd win

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We did not

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The ending was painful and confusing

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:24 AM

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west silo And we thought we would win in the end

"From the beginning, you know the end."
Guess not. 😏

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I like what Exodus does as a mission, even if I don’t particularly enjoy playing the last part. Long Night of Solace was fun.

The rest of the campaign never really stood out to me. Not really bad, more just kinda... eh.

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Except for Nightfall. Hate that one.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:25 AM

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gilded mason "From the beginning, you know the end." Guess not. 😏

Fun fact we never knew what halo was a friend at school lent us the game

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Best thing he ever did

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Only mission I hated in Reach was Pillar of Autumn tbqh, and it comes down to not enjoying wave defense against an enemy force where I can’t put serious distance between me and then

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Then I played 4 had no idea who cortana was

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Or chief

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Otherwise Pillar of Autumn is a well designed level all the same

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Think the first Halo thing I saw was a friend playing the very beginning of 343 Guilty Spark. In the swamp. He was using a plasma pistol and I thought that was really cool.

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Sounds like you started Reach even younger than I did

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I was 10

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 5:27 AM

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My first Halo experience was playing Halo 2 Coagulation as a toddler, following by arguing with a friend over at the lunch table in grade school trying to introduce me to a book called Halo: Fall of Reach while I’m still off trying to finish the Harry Potter franchise and watch Star Wars the Clone Wars on Cartoon Network

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I didn’t start out enjoying Halo, but it grew on me to be my predominant fictional franchise investment

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:29 AM

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4 was my first entry in the franchise and my only knowledge of Halo at the time was “big green man shoot things with blue computer lady”. Would say it’s one of the key reasons I’ve never understood the complaints of 4 and 5 “needing” external media to make sense.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Yeah that whole need extra material thing is a lie

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The game explains the new bad guy good enough

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Its just the ancient humanity part that might get a little confusing

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And who the storm covenant are who you don't really need to worry about

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Since cortana tells you there just fanatics

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:31 AM

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west silo And who the storm covenant are who you don't really need to worry about

I kinda worried about it quite a bit.

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Since they offered nothing more besides that "They seem more fanatical" (which didn't even really make sense) and the "A lot can happen in four years."

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Yeah that pretty vague

unique rune Dec 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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The “more fanatical” line is... kinda not great? Having recently replayed H4’s campaign I think there’s definitely better ways to have explained why you’re fighting the Covenant again.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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And the first line doesn't make sense

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There more fanatical?

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How?

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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And the Side app that came with Halo 4 had an entry on the Covenant/Elites that, at the time, made it sound like all Elites turned "evil" again.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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There was a side app for 4?

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Yeah

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Waypoint?

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Basically a small codex

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Like the thing that came for CE

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Yeah, but digital

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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The kinect

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Hmm first I've heard of it

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It was pretty stupid that you needed to go to waypoint to watch the terminals

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 5:35 AM

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But yeah, I read that, was a little freaked out, and waited for the campaign to expand on it. But never did

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Then again I heard that 4 was supposed to be a launch title for the Xbox one

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And with how that thing was it makes alot of sense now

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Always be connected to the internet at all times

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No wonder my uncle got a PS4

opal birch Dec 22, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Though because of the backlash towards the always connected part, Microsoft dropped that requirement.

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And got rid of Don Mattrick in the process

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Too late

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15 years too late

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But I am getting a one x so it's all good

opal birch Dec 22, 2020, 7:25 AM

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What do you mean 15 years too late? Xbox ditched that before launch.

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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I was joking

opal birch Dec 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Ah

west silo Dec 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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You know the incredibles meme

opal birch Dec 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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yep remembering it now

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 8:57 AM

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yea I was just saying Reach had the most straightforward plot and the campaign was easy to complete. even on legendary

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all the other halo games I've played gave me headaches at some point in the campaign

stable flower Dec 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Does MC have any interaction with Jul' Mdama?

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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He hears him say Didact. In halo 4

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I thought that was just some random elite

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 6:12 PM

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To be fair, I wouldn't blame you for thinking that, given that he's wearing the standard Storm harness opposed to his dark blue Zealot armour

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Reason for that is more than likely due to how they didn't have a version of the textures for a Zealot in blue for anything in engine since Jul only appeared in prerendered cutscenes for Spartan Ops

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 6:13 PM

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i thought the elite you hear say "Didact" is over the radio

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so you don't actually see the elite

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 6:17 PM

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He's meant to be the Elite closest to the camera

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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doesn't the message play on repeat?

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or can't you activate the message multiple times?

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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That's on the second mission

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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i feel like we're talking about two different things

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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We're talking about the Ur-Didact's awakening scene

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One of the Elites yells "Didact". That's meant to be Jul

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 6:19 PM

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that's not really an interaction with chief, tho

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but ok

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I never said it was so blame whoever it was who did, just was explaining why the Elite that's meant to be Jul didn't have his actual armour in the scene

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I said he hears him, not he talks to him

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Imagine halo characters FORCED to have dinner with each other, and restrained

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Why?

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Why not

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I'm worried about why Ericky wants them tied up at a table

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Yea. Weird

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I didn't say tied up!

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I just want them to talk without hurting each other

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:44 PM

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FORCED to have dinner with each other, and restrained
Why are they restrained then?

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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so they dont attack each other

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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They aren't leaving until they make nice. And say something good about ericks cooking

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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But they'd still have to be tied up at the table

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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happycraig

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Or handcuffed

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 7:46 PM

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They are forced to endure the Good Posture device.

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Forced to watch a PowerPoint about why sprint is bad

gilded mason Dec 22, 2020, 7:46 PM

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based

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Why its fun

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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It's okay Erick. I like the idea.

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Ually, why would you say something so wrong?

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Besides, tied? So primitive, I was thinking constraint fields

pale zephyr Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Cause it was a joke

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I'm cool with sprint v:

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Oh, I know

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:48 PM

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fair hazel Besides, tied? So primitive, I was thinking constraint fields

There's still the implication of them being tied up if restrained in constraint fields since it's being used to keep them from leaving

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Hey, I'm not the one who's keen on tying up halo characters to chairs. That didn't come from me

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Ericky is like that killer from Saw

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Forces characters to do things for his own amusement

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:50 PM

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XD

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 7:51 PM

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BRB calling the fbi for threats of false imprisonment

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Oh nooo

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Oh wait he’s in Canada. Calling the Mounties

fair hazel Dec 22, 2020, 7:59 PM

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📎 image0.jpg

carmine sleet Dec 22, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Ericky, no!

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Noooo

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Alright i'm getting the un-oki-doki-inator.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Do all PC Halo games have campaign? Are they connected or they are all in their own timeline? What is the best order to play them?

HALO
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Halo 3: ODST
Halo: Reach
Halo 4
Halo: Spartan Assault
Halo: Spartan Strike
Halo Wars 2

What are Halo Recruit and Halo: Fireteam Raven?
Are Halo: Spartan Assault and Halo: Spartan Strike playable on PC with mouse and keyboard?

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Ok i'll give you the order

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Wars
Reach
CE
2
ODST
3
(Skip strike and assault along with recruit and raven)
4
5
Wars 2

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 8:51 PM

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wrong

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wars 2 happens after 5

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Strike and assault are mobile intended
Wars 2 is to introduce an enemy but whatever

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Raven is an arcade and I dunno about recruit.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:52 PM

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So Spartan assault and Spartan strike are not playable on PC?

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:53 PM

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They are but they don't work very well.

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Wars 1&2 are RTS while the rest are FPS.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:54 PM

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So this is the order?

HALO
Halo Wars
Halo Reach
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3: ODST
Halo 3
Halo 4
Halo Wars 2

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Yes/

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Wars comes before.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Halo 5 is not on PC

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Not yet.

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 8:56 PM

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H5 Forge is

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Sooo thats a good one, also strike and assault aren't on steam.

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:56 PM

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But Im still not sure what to do about these: Halo Recruit, Halo: Fireteam Raven, Halo: Spartan Assault and Halo: Spartan Strike

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:56 PM

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humble yacht H5 Forge is

Whats that?

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 8:56 PM

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exactly what it sounds like

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Skip those ones, they are unimportant, unobtainable on devices and unknown also forge is basically edit/build mode

versed helm Dec 22, 2020, 8:57 PM

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So campaign is not on PC

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Nope.

vague scroll Dec 22, 2020, 9:14 PM

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H5 Forge is essentially Custom Games Browser + Custom Games + Forge, its a PC-enabled H5 forge editor as Chimera aptly put

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small population if any, relatively unknown, stability is suspect depending on PC specs

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I miss fighting the brutes

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they are way easier to fight than the promeathean bots

uncut kernel Dec 22, 2020, 9:32 PM

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And more fun

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Promeatheans are pain and shouldn't do.

stable flower Dec 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I hope there's more enemy faction variety in Infinite

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 10:11 PM

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All like 2 of them?

fringe ice Dec 22, 2020, 10:13 PM

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whats the fastest way to kill the flying promeatheans?

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I know the beam rifle/sniper can one shot but other than that, just spam them?

craggy sierra Dec 22, 2020, 10:17 PM

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You could always run up and punch them

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Success may vary with this

serene magnet Dec 22, 2020, 10:22 PM

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have the flood a central planet?

humble yacht Dec 22, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Nope

serene magnet Dec 22, 2020, 10:28 PM

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TY

ocean ibex Dec 22, 2020, 11:54 PM

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serene magnet have the flood a central planet?

The flood are like tyranids, they follow the hive mind aka the gravemind

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Still wish juggernauts existed in the mainstream Halo games

cedar surge Dec 23, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Juggernaughts?

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Flood bois?

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There time has passed

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Till they come back

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 2:46 AM

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They are in Halo wars but....yeah

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Juggernauts control an area of flood, they're like captains.

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Those are abominations

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Minor difference

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 2:59 AM

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....srry I not smart

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Basically just different names

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 3:03 AM

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you finally said something

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@ everyone

stable flower Dec 23, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Juggernauts are warlords. They control a certain region.

cedar surge Dec 23, 2020, 4:05 AM

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No for flood

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Abominations are keyminds. Juggernauts may or may not also be keyminds

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Juggernauts are canonically in no Halo game except Fireteam Raven on top of that

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Yea let’s not talk about fireteam raven

fair hazel Dec 23, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I like fireteam raven

cedar surge Dec 23, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Cool Cutscenes

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:48 AM

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vague scroll Juggernauts are canonically in no Halo game except Fireteam Raven on top of that

They where cut from Halo 2, but other than concepts and demos and old files ( the juggernaut files ARE in Halo 2 for windows vista but they need to be manually re-enabled) they do not appear in any of the extended lore e.g books, movies, shows, terminal entries, etc, etc.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Isn't raven canon?

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What's wrong with it?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:48 AM

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I belive it is.

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I do think Fireteam Raven is cannon.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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It is

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I was wondering why chimera doesn't want to talk about it

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Oh

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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probably cuz its a arcade.

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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You know, I was working on a Halo 2 for windows vista mod, I was re-doing the graphics and was creating more campaign levels, I should re-enable Juggernauts and the cut warthog run.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Halo Spartan strike and assault are mobiles games

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They shouldn't be canon by that reasoning

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There's a warthog run in 2?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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west silo There's a warthog run in 2?

Yeah

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Never said it should be non-cannon I was just giving some ideas on why.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Why tho?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Halo 2 for windows vista, the OG version has a cut warthog run

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Ahhh

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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It was instead of flying through the beam you jump a warthog into the closing doors.

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Fireteam raven being an arcade game is not why I’m not a fan of it. It just takes too many liberties with the canon for my tastes

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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And the Juggernaut was also supposed to be for that level. High Charity.

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Oh/

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Having pure forms on I04, massive flood vs covenant vs UNSC battles at the autumn crash site, freaking scarabs

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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humble yacht Fireteam raven being an arcade game is not why I’m not a fan of it. It just take...

Same, but that doesn't mean it's not cannon and we shouldn't speak of it.

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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stone swan They where cut from Halo 2, but other than concepts and demos and old files ( th...

I'm aware, I was remarking on raven to simplify the discussion with only topic relevant information

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Canon

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Cannons are weapons

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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vague scroll I'm aware, I was remarking on raven to simplify the discussion with only topic r...

Ah, alrighty

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Its a typo, don't need to hit the keyboard with your fist.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Well its expanding on the halo CE lore

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Just like the flood did

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Expanding, Lol

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:55 AM

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west silo Well its expanding on the halo CE lore

That it is

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Like we're there Cyclops mechs in CE?

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Because according to the flood there were

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Pure forms are only supposed to exist when a gravemind is present. The final scenes of CE don’t show any such large battle happening outside the autumn when Chief is there

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Actually

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Well The Flood novel isn’t exactly that well received

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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There are pure forms in containment

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That could explain it

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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west silo Like we're there Cyclops mechs in CE?

Well, yes but not in game. During those timelines of events a few actually where deployed. Halo Wars 1 was using equipment from around CE and they had cyclops mechs.

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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~~I wonder why we never even saw them~~

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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That could but its still not something I liked seeing

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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We still use all the lore from that book

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And treat it as canon

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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west silo We still use all the lore from that book

Yeah

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I have the flood actually

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Just because something is canon doesn’t mean I have to like it

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Except the hunters having spine thing

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I will never accept that

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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humble yacht Just because something is canon doesn’t mean I have to like it

Not what we said, we just said the book is still cannon and we use the lore

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Oh you don't have to like it

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Hunters do not have spines, I think that was before we established that they were worms

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Maybe some of the worms become a spine

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Wormspine

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Doesn't almost every YouTuber hate 343 era designs but they have to accept it

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:58 AM

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humble yacht Wormspine

Don't start a rabbit hole lol

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:58 AM

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You know you’re not supposed to tag mods, right

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Did I tag a mod?

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Oops, sorry

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Yeah. You tagged me like three times

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Just checked in moderator...

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Hunters wouldn't have a huge point of having spines.

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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west silo Doesn't almost every YouTuber hate 343 era designs but they have to accept it

i recommend we don't paint with broadstrokes like that, and it's not like Youtuber opinions are any less or more valid than anyone in here

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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uncut kernel Hunters do not have spines, I think that was before we established that they wer...

Nope bungie said they were worms around the time of CE
And the flood came out in 2010

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Or was it 2011?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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uncut kernel Hunters wouldn't have a huge point of having spines.

I thought one of the books said they use the spines to telecommunicate.

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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the Flood is a lot older than that

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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No those are the spikes on their back

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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@west silo 2003

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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The little red hairy things

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Wow

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Spines as in spiny protrusion, not spinal cord

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Are you talking the flood or hunters

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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as a novelization of Halo: CE, it is the second novel in the franchise

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Because Johnson shots the hunter in the spine once and the shot kills it

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Hunters.

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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You know how in halo 3 and onward, you can blow off the back armor of a hunter?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Yes I do

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Does that mean those hunters can no longer communicate with other hunters

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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oH

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Possibly...

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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They could always make noises.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Aren't hunters telepathic?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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west silo Aren't hunters telepathic?

Yea

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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According to halo smoke and shadow

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Only with bond brothers

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Nope

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With humans too

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You can feel the words

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Its pretty painful

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Okay, if they just asked to stop being slaughtered and I would've just passed the worm bois.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Like your brain is being vibrated or something

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Ahahahah

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Hunters are very aggressive

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They kill there own allies

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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They don't attack lizard people for some reason

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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When I see a hunter I just unload every weapon and grenade I have into the back/face of the hunter lol

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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On purpose sometimes too

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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You know what doesn’t make sense? The thanolekgolo detect electromagnetic waves and attack technology. But the forerunners wanted to use them against the flood

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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uncut kernel They don't attack lizard people for some reason

Because Elites are the Hunters COs and if they kill a commanding officer they're done, but grunts and sometimes jackals are cannon fodder.

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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But the flood are biological. So how were they ever supposed to be useful against flood?

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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That why nightfall is stupid

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Wouldn't the flood just infect them?

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Chimera, maybe they hoped they'd take down the flood technology like taken-over ships and such

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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And then have them on there side

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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The flood can’t infect lekgolo traditionally because they lack central nervous systems

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Flood have some problem infecting hunters more than other things but they can be infected

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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However over time they could convert the worms into biomass

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:06 AM

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the infection rate for the Lekegolo is notably slower but not impossible

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Still helping the flood

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And then they can use the biomass to create pure forms with the hunters traits

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The forerunners were idiots

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Yeah but it’s not fast enough to be useful in the midst of battle

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Thanks nightfall

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:07 AM

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that slower rate of infection made the Thanolekegolo a workable tool against the Flood, but I suspect its more to do with targeting technology the Flood could take advantage of rather than targeting the Flood itself - if you can't kill the Flood, might as well destroy its advantages or means to escape

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:07 AM

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At the time the thanolekgolo were being experiment with, the concern wasn’t about letting flood escape

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The flood was already a greater threat than they could handle

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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You know, this may have something to do with lore, but I was playing halo 3 and a marine started to be infected so i put a magnum round into the infection form right after the green spore things started to be grown on the marine and he was alive but other marines didnt attack him and he attacked them while also attacking brutes and flood....is it because the flood started to compromise the body but was halted in the proccess?

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Thats a bug I think.

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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no disagreement but the Thanolekegolo weren't intended as a catch all solution to the Flood either, just another experiment in the long war against the parasite

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Just a glitch

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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So the marine was half-infected but still sort-of alive?

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Oh, okay

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:08 AM

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No

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Yes, it happened in lore with jenkins.

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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He either is infected or not,

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Oh, right I forgot!

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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And honestly it’s not like either is canon

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Well, wasn't the Jenkins thing cannon?

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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the games don't have any specific enemy algorithms designed to simulate half-infected allies

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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I’m not talking about Jenkins

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Oh

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Jenkins was canon

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:09 AM

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I thought so

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I’m talking about the H3 marine

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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^

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what you saw was definitely a glitch or bug

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Halo 3's npc design is surprisingly easy to break

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Okay, but that technically could be cannon because it was the same thing as Jenkins?

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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nope

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Oh

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Alright

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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No single play through is necessarily fully canon since each play through can go a bit differently based on your choices

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Could but isn;t

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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don't open up stuff that was a fluke in game design to be 'canon'

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I wanna know if that happend in the lore more than just Jenkins.

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Its most likely

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Jenkins was a special case

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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canon is written material that the franchise owners determine to be relevant to their expanded universe material for the purpose of selling toys

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some odd game break is not included in that

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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i hate you add

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all

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cause like

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you bully me

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:(

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:12 AM

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????

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:12 AM

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love you too, have no idea where that came from Creamy

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 5:12 AM

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i came from a hosibital

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:13 AM

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I didn't ask where you came from, I remarked that we have no idea what you're talking about

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 5:13 AM

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hmm

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ok

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ily

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❤️

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we hsould be friendsd

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:13 AM

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???

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What just happend?

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:14 AM

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he's just trolling a bit, don't mind him

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Did someone legit come from a hospital and start randomly typing here or is it a joke?

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Oh, okay it's a troll.

cedar surge Dec 23, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Huh

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:14 AM

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first time talking to the guy, you just learn to detect these things - not that hard to tell

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 5:14 AM

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im confused

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?

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we should all be friends

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im sorry for my past

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i was just uh

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like

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not very

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uh

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yea

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ily you all 🥰

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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So, anyway...

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Did more marines, elites, brutes, and stuff end like Jenkins? Because they ended the forerunners, so maybe it happened to them, because they took down hundreds of thousands...and they've done a decent amount on high charity and they've at least gotten 10 thousand UNSC soldiers....so...could it?

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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yes

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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we don't know given that Jenkins was relevant to the story of The Flood

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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True.

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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there are no other instances of a 'Jenkins moment' happening in the lore

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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It probably did happen but we just don't have other written cases.

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Maybe Jenkins was a fluke, or like Higrunt said, there's not many other written cases

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:17 AM

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up to you to decide for yourself, its not really a question lore/canon can answer

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:17 AM

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It isn't a complicated setup - old or damaged infection form fails to completely infect someone.

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I'm just gonna stay with the fact that we don't have any more written cases.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Isn't the point of jenkins that he was the most unluck boy ever

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Yes

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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The form was old and defective

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Kinda, but this is bound to happen due to the millions infected.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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And instead of taking complete control

stone swan Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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So, if there was another old defective form its possible it re-occured

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Yes, or damaged form it could happen

fringe ice Dec 23, 2020, 5:49 AM

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is there something going on between Spartan Palmer and Captain Lasky?

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they seem like they've done ... things ... together

vague scroll Dec 23, 2020, 5:54 AM

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None. fans have paired them in fanfiction but there is nothing going on between them canonically.

fringe ice Dec 23, 2020, 5:54 AM

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awww

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she is so tall

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 7:56 AM

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In canon, I think that Lasky does try a bit, but Palmer shuts him down

fringe ice Dec 23, 2020, 8:15 AM

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huh

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in spartan ops it just seems like there's a lot of sexual tension there

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Wasn't Palmer born on Luna?

carmine sleet Dec 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Aye, she was born on the moon

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Alright

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Other than the Luna OCS Academy, what else does the UEG/UNSC use Luna for?

slim thorn Dec 23, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Manufacturer test site for MJOLNIR Variant Armor variants. Lasky also commandeered a Banshee somewhere at Ankara.

cedar surge Dec 23, 2020, 2:41 PM

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And Luna is dead now

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 2:48 PM

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That wizard came from Luna

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I was thinking last night about how the chief should meet his end

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I really like that he's become more of a sympathetic character as time has gone on

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I thought of him dropping the usual voice, which he learned to further become the tool the unsc wanted, and finally having an outpouring of emotions with a dying cortana

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not a snotty-nosed break-down though; it'd still be somewhat manly

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he'd take her away with him to some beautiful planet out in the middle of nowhere, and people would want to track him down, or even deactivate him, but ultimately some high-level figure would decide to let him go and live, for just a few years, what should have been his entire life

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he'd spend the rest of his life either watching over a village of castaway humans, or keeping a farm and caring for animals since being a spartan 2 makes human interaction difficult

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finally, he'd die "not with a blaze of glory, but with the soft crackling of a fireplace at his side."

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I feel like a more action-packed ending would just be a meh, given all the action he's seen already

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it might not be an entirely realistic ending, but halo has a tendency to read like a fairytale

craggy sierra Dec 23, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Honestly just killing him off is a bit of a cop out

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Just killing characters when you want to move on from them being a protagonist is a lazy way out

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 6:31 PM

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having a slow life and then a natural death isn't really killing off, tho

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but it would require them basically skipping over decades of time just to get to the point when he'd actually die of old age

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that would be a terrible idea

slim thorn Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Or when he did to make a sacrifice that can change the odds of the conflict itself. Like someone on the military said, "One man can make a difference."

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Imagine if chief dies off screen

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Like just a he died of old age

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Throw away line

restive talon Dec 23, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Noble 6 is alive

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 8:04 PM

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In our hearts yes

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 8:23 PM

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could be he gets some sort of complication from what-ever the librarian did to him

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or some other deus-ex disease

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I considered having him take a certain other way out, but nah

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 8:41 PM

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He dies from Blickblop, the grunt whom is a wraith dealer and has a weapon that penetrates plot armor.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 8:46 PM

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He's dies by the daughter of prophet of truth

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And the we play as her through the rest of the entire game killing the rest of the game

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Along with her side kick who is a trap

humble yacht Dec 23, 2020, 8:57 PM

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what's that?

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Do you watch anime?

uncut kernel Dec 23, 2020, 8:58 PM

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BlickBlop is on a crusade to kill the daughter of truth and then cringe itself.

west silo Dec 23, 2020, 9:00 PM

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It will then be revealed he was the main villian all a long

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And that he's chief long lost alien son

versed helm Dec 23, 2020, 9:11 PM

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named flipyap

clever dagger Dec 24, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I feel like chief should get an ending the same way solid snake did

pale zephyr Dec 24, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Who's he gonna fistfight ontop of a guardian then?

clever dagger Dec 24, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Cortana

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It'd be perfect too

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Even locke would work given he has that relationship with chief like ocelot does

next fox Dec 24, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Is it possible that our galaxy is surrounded by flood armadas ready to enter any time?

uncut kernel Dec 24, 2020, 4:43 AM

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The chance is low but never 0

fair hazel Dec 24, 2020, 5:29 AM

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@pale zephyr don't post random gifs..

pale zephyr Dec 24, 2020, 5:31 AM

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but it was relevant to the conversation..

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Fine frank

terse lava Dec 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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How can a gif be relevant

pale zephyr Dec 24, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Solid snake ending, fighting ocelot ontop of a ship

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posted a gif from the boss fight

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:v

clever dagger Dec 24, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Remember when bungie teased that chief was gonna die in 3? Good times

versed helm Dec 24, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Bungie is pretty good at killing off characters

fair hazel Dec 24, 2020, 7:29 AM

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That's what that ocelot meant..? Uh

uncut kernel Dec 24, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Bapbip.

clever dagger Dec 24, 2020, 8:10 AM

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😚

pale zephyr Dec 24, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Of course, best part of the fight lol

dusty prawn Dec 24, 2020, 1:57 PM

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I'd be a fan of Denning's idea/hints of Chief wanting to go retire into the diplomatic corps. It was mentioned twice in Shadows of Reach

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Killing off a character to give them a farewell has been done with every single character that needed a farewell. Unless you count Hood hitting the booze in a short story.

humble yacht Dec 24, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Chief is probably the only character who needs a farewell at this point

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No other character has been featured nearly as much

spiral jewel Dec 24, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I say let Chief retire, and have him later train the 5th or 6th generation of Spartans

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As far as I'm concerned... John 117 should be one of Lord Hood's successors as Chief of Naval Operations (as dumb as that sounds)

jolly furnace Dec 24, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I don't know if MC would be capable of doing that job.

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He's a soldier. He excels in the field

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The CNO position is purely adminstrative.

terse lava Dec 24, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Yeah, if he were to retire, he would be training newer soldiers

humble yacht Dec 24, 2020, 4:20 PM

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spiral jewel As far as I'm concerned... John 117 should be one of Lord Hood's successors as C...

He already declined that offer

spiral jewel Dec 24, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I forgot about that.

craggy sierra Dec 24, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Also macro level strategic planning is a different skill set altogether from what chief’s normally doing on the front lines.

fair hazel Dec 24, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Finally someone notices diplomat John thing

craggy sierra Dec 24, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I noticed it. It’d be cool to see it expanded on and honestly I’m gettin’ those vibes from how chief interacted with brohammer in the demo.

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Calmed him down, made an ultimatum with him. That stuff.

humble yacht Dec 24, 2020, 5:08 PM

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He was diplomatic with Cortana in H4

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Well diplomatic may be the wrong word. He was caring and helped her focus

fair hazel Dec 24, 2020, 5:18 PM

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When I did an analysis of John in halo 5 I basically spelled it out

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And turns out I was right. Headed to that direction !

cedar surge Dec 24, 2020, 5:30 PM

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From Spartan to diplomat

spiral jewel Dec 24, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Perhaps John's diplomatic skills might come in handy in ending the Created conflict?

cedar surge Dec 24, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Well seeing as how every created we've seen so far has been murderous

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I don't see that going well

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Along with cortana ultimatum

terse lava Dec 24, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Heh, is funny to think I have yet to hear of a kind Created AI

spiral jewel Dec 24, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Good point

glossy latch Dec 25, 2020, 12:18 AM

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master chief is locke ChiefDab

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ChiefDab

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ChiefDance

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ChiefJustice

slim thorn Dec 25, 2020, 12:25 AM

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humble yacht He already declined that offer

Not really... Hood was not serious at that time, considering he didn't mandate the Chief to wield that rank (Unlike when he was recommended and mandated to wield a MCPO rank by Marmon Crowther as an FP or known as Field Promotion).
If Hood was dead serious, Chief probably already promoted to the Admiral during meeting with UNSC Security Council.

Chief won't succed Hood's position, rather, he wants to keep doing as he please, just like Palmer said. His respect was already enough to earn him Fleet Admiral tbh.
Even Chief refuses, ultimately he have to accept the promotion should UNSC Security Council mandates him the rank of Admiral.

fair hazel Dec 25, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Master chief of the Admirality

slim thorn Dec 25, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Admiral of the Spartans

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It feels like it can resemble Lord of the Admirals if Chief did wield an Admiral rank.

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 1:23 AM

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There’s no practical reason for that to be a thing

fair hazel Dec 25, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I’m just trying to keep the master chief

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 2:35 AM

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When the Covenant deals with flood outbreaks, more often than not, the Elites are the only ones that actually come back alive right?

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Or Spartans in the UNSC's case.

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Would seem like a likely assumption

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I mean brutes are strong, but their main issue is lack of armor and energy shields.

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I mean people without armour have made it out of outbreaks before

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It’s just much more difficult

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 2:37 AM

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But usually, I imagine the Grunts, Jackals, and Marines are the ones that 90% of the time die during the mission

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Grunts are just.....

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They're not mentally equipped to handle a flood outbreak.

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I don’t know

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They seem to have the most survival instincts of any race

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 2:45 AM

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They should have just sent in Pure Elite Squads for every mission. They're the best suited covenant unit for that situation.

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Preferably all with Energy Swords.

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And their weapon of choice with that

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 2:51 AM

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You know in lore that’s probably an incredibly bad idea right?

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:08 AM

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So your dealing with highly infective space parasites

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And you send them in with melee weapons

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Yea no way that could backfire

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:11 AM

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They should've sent in Hunters, who are immune to Flood infection.

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Not really immune

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It just that infection forms can't infect them directly since there is no one body to dig into

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They just got to get flood cells onto the worms

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What they should use are those giant purple aliens they were planning to attack earth with

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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The Sharqoi were borderline un controllable by the Covenant, and they only had a limited number of them.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Remember in CE how one pod infector could kill a hunter

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yea?

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Good times

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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In Halo 2 a pod infector can kill a Hunter in one hit.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Ha yeah

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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The only way to see that is by modding Gravemind and spawning pod infectors

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I figure though in the past, the Covenant just burn any flood outbreak

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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stable flower They should've sent in Hunters, who are immune to Flood infection.

Hunters aren’t immune. They just get turned into raw biomass instead of directly converted into a flood entity.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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No one said they are immune

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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ATP did

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Literally look at the message I replied to

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Lol

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Ah, didn't notice that one

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Pity bungie didnt get time to make that a thing though

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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They’re worms

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It’s not that bungie never took the time, it’s just that it was literally written into their existence that they can’t be transformed on account of being worms.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Imagine a worm combat form

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Not only that, hunters are probably the worst type of troops to deal with large scale outbreaks

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Their cannon is useless against large groups of infection forms

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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cedar surge And you send them in with melee weapons

I said along with their own weaponry, like ranged weapons

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Most elites only go in with plasma rifles and plasma grenades, giving them all energy swords on top of that wouldn't hurt

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Not to mention it's highly effective against combat forms

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But yeah, squads composed of elites and hunters should do.

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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The covenant restricts elite minors from using energy swords

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Idk about sending in brutes.

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Special cases override those restrictions @ocean ibex

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Ofc, but for most circumstances it’s prohibited

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Not really gonna be so in this case.

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It would be wise to let the minors have energy swords in a flood infested location

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I would go for brutes in the squad but uh

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They lack energy shields for one

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I wonder if Drones would work

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Brutes have the strength to wrestle off infection forms with ease

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And their armor is very hard to penetrate

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Elites can probably do so too, albeit with far greater difficulty

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Yeah, look how those Brutes fought off the infection forms at the end of Gravemind

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Also during the events of halo 2, they don't have armor

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Too bad one slipped through

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Bar their helmets

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Unironically, religious zealots make the best fighters

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Brutes also have poor impulse control.

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Yeah, there's a reason they're often referred to as "dumb apes"

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Really the best sent to deal with a flood outbreak would be spec ops in properly sealed armor, as we saw in halo 3

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Yeah, although energy shields already help against spores.

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For when they go down, elites are smart enough to hold their breath in flood hives.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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That was an amusing joke

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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How is it a joke? Shields most likely do stop spores.

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They don't really let in anything larger than an O2 molecule.

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And since flood spores are, from what I've heard, the size of a human fingernail, you get the point.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Do you really think they "hold their breath" while in a flood hive?

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Only when their shields go down.

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Also the reason why marines are so useless against the flood

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Even if they held their breath with downed shields, spores could still get in.

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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It's a shame we barely see ODSTs fight the Flood

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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In lore they’d be slaughtered by combat forms

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So there’s basically no point

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Eh we see it in The Flood

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They did....eh?

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Not sure how the spores could still get in

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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If minors can't use energy swords

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Cut down like wheat in the first battle, did better during later ones

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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In-game, the only instance we can see them fight Flood is in H3's The Covenant, if you bring any of them with you to the third tower

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Then what about say at the beach

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Isn’t there a dead ODST you can find in the Cortana level

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With the flamethrower

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Yep

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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@barren ferry throat

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:40 AM

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He is tucked away in a corner

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:41 AM

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That Elite in ADATB had cloak and a sword

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Probably survived the initial flood invasion and died of starvation

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Yeah there's a dead ODST and there's a dead regular Marine, who may or may not be infected when you get to him

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:43 AM

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You mean throat?

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Indeed, it's late here

next fox Dec 25, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Will energy shielding become standard issue for the UNSC any time soon?

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Probably not

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There are way too many logistical problems for energy shielding to become standard use

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Hopefully not : )

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Also yeah, energy shields would just be too expensive for one

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Humanity hasn’t even fully cracked the science behind how energy fields work

barren ferry Dec 25, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Exactly, they did the same thing with energy shields as the covenant did with forerunner tech

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They reverse engineered it.

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Yea shielding requires fully powered armor

uncut kernel Dec 25, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I mean, look at sangheili jaws and tell me how they CAN hold their breath

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 6:51 AM

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Carefully I guess

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Holding ones breath does not require that you have your mouth fully closed

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You can open your mouth and resist breathing at the same time

versed helm Dec 25, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Who was the prisoner that taught the Ussans a form of meditation?

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Holdin your breath won't stop spores going into your nose or ears or mouth (if it ain't closed).

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If the spores go into the body, expect a slow infection unless the Flood spares you

versed helm Dec 25, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Could Flood spores go through your ears?

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Probably

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If they're small enough

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They can be microscopic for all we know.

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And still apply the infection

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Like in Aliens Covenant when the Egg sacks release those Motes and they go into the guy's ear.

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Flood could easily make similar

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Spores aren’t microscopic, they can be seen with the naked eye

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:32 PM

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They could do it though I think

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Well. Flood spores aren’t micro at least

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Regardless, spores go in anywhere and your done

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FSC is miscroscopic so I'm sure the incredibly adaptive Flood can find a way

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Flood spores are collections of flood cells. This is similar to how a yeast spore is a collection of four haploid yeast cells

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I'm just saying I'm sure the Flood could make a microsopic infection vector to allow infection via ear if needed

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Flood was able to make what was essentially infected rain from spore clouds in Primordium

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Its how the 2 Forerunners taking Riser with them were infected.

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Does the flood need to become more unnecessarily overpowered?

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They’re already nigh impossible to write a conflict around without the result being an apocalypse or completely un-impactful.

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 1:55 PM

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The Flood will use any means it can to spread. Microscopic variant of infection vector isn't out of the question. Heck it technically has that already. The FSC is microscopic. All one needs to do is to put FSCs into a person by whatever means. Once done, infection will occur unless the Flood decides not too.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Pretty much, we see that happen with Bero 'Kusovai and Truth

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Bero?

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Yes, a sub-commander who served alongside Rtas 'Vadumee during the battle of alpha halo

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He's from The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor

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https://www.halopedia.org/Bero_'Kusovai

jolly furnace Dec 25, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I remember now. Thanks

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Hope Rtas returns in game some day

stable flower Dec 25, 2020, 6:54 PM

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jolly furnace Hope Rtas returns in game some day

Yeah, sick of them bringing back iconic characters only in the EU.

terse lava Dec 25, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I dont mind it much, allows one to expand on them as a character

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Rtas didn't have much story with the game alone. The LVOII expanded him pretty well, as did SOI

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 11:04 PM

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stable flower Yeah, sick of them bringing back iconic characters only in the EU.

At least in the EU they can have stories dedicated to them to move their characters forward in a story told from their perspective.

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The issue with just shoving them into games is they are just ride alongs in someone else’s story and if you can’t think of a good way to integrate then into that other character’s story they instead just become awkward and forced nostalgia bait.

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This is what it means to be a narrative universe. Things are always moving and happening outside of the influence of a single protagonist.

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It makes sense for Rtas to have gone on gone on a diplomatic journey to reconcile with what remains of the San’Shyum in the EU. I’d be much more skeptical if he just appeared in a game out if nowhere and began helping chief like they were old chums.

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Also I don’t know if I’m willing to call Rtas iconic.

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He’s like a tertiary character at most

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Eh, I'd say secondary.

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Well he was arbiters sidekick

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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He’s a third wheel

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Sort of

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 11:13 PM

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He might be secondary in H2. Definitely tertiary in H3.

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:13 PM

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If there are SoS forces in Infinite, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for Rtas to be included.

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Isn’t he still off on his diplomacy mission or whatever.

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Nah, he's been back in joint UEG-SoS space for several years now

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Also I was mostly speaking specifically in response to ATP and his comment about “iconic” characters in the EU.

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:14 PM

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It's been talked about that he keeps piracy controlled as of 2558 or so

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:15 PM

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You know what’s really iconic?

An Index

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:15 PM

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based

craggy sierra Dec 25, 2020, 11:15 PM

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If familiar faces just got dropped constantly when they could possibly have better things to be doing I begin raising eyebrows over if they were put there to be a considered story element or just to bait nostalgia.

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I agree.

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I just feel, depending on why everyone is at Zeta, seeing Rtas/SoS there would be logical.

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Or at least, not surprising.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I dunno about that. Doesn’t look like the UNSC disclosed the location to the SoS

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:18 PM

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They might've.

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The main thing: it would not be surprising to see them.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:19 PM

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The Zeta Project isn’t listed to have any SoS assistance, if they had disclosed it then I imagine Thel would have insisted on allowing some of his forces there

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I’d be surprised to see that Thel sent an expeditionary force when Sanghelios is under siege

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:20 PM

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humble yacht I’d be surprised to see that Thel sent an expeditionary force when Sanghelios is...

Couldn't you say the same for humans if you want to go that route?

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Anyway, what Zeta Project (besides the TV show)?

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Zeta halo project

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Led by Henry lamb

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Ah, yes

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Well I guess Henry didn’t lead the project but he participated

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:22 PM

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gilded mason Couldn't you say the same for humans if you want to go that route?

Not really. Hood was reluctant to let any forces leave earth while it was directly under siege

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:23 PM

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I mean UNSC personnel went to other place besides Earth during the Created conflict.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:24 PM

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The planet was lost by that point

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Isn't Sanghelios likewise "pacified" by this point?

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Only half of it

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When the abandons the world themselves, that’s generally a signal that the planet is lost

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Hood fled to Ross Bach’s world but Thel hasn’t given up yet

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:27 PM

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humble yacht Only half of it

Ah, just checked. It did half the planet when it arrived, and by the time Blue Team and Osiris made it back, there were reports that it started doing the same for the other side of the planet. This is two years before Infinite, so

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Well if Sanghelios falls then good, I say

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Postums

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yes, yes

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Let them flee to hesduros

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Elite hater

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So would the SoS be more functioning than the unsc about now?

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They would have more ships and territory

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Anyway, I would doubt Zeta's location is exactly secret anyway (I'm not exactly sure why they'd keep it secret from SoS since they already got people at Delta and Onyx), if Infinity always has SoS agents onboard.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:29 PM

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gilded mason Anyway, I would doubt Zeta's location is exactly secret anyway (I'm not exactly ...

The convent found delta before the UNSC so there was no way to keep it hidden

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Similarly, the covenant found onyx so that cat was out of the bag too

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Zeta halo thus far has been the only installation that humanity found before the covies or weren’t followed to

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Well, barring reach

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Until they did find it

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Given ONI’s continued distrust of the SoS despite the treaty, it would stand to reason that if they had the opportunity to keep a secret, they would

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:31 PM

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If 343 does say that the SoS already knows about Zeta and all that, would you be surprised by them saying it?

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:31 PM

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I’d expect them to explain how they found it

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Through their alliance with the UEG

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:32 PM

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But yeah, gut feeling, I’d be against it

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I see.

humble yacht Dec 25, 2020, 11:32 PM

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UNSC gotta stop sharing with these dirty Dinos

ocean ibex Dec 25, 2020, 11:40 PM

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~~Dinos~~ xenos

cedar surge Dec 25, 2020, 11:51 PM

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So would SoS support for the unsc kind of waver? Cause now they have to deal with a AI dictator that was originally unsc

gilded mason Dec 25, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Nah, I think they have enough self-awareness to not let it come between the alliance

jolly furnace Dec 26, 2020, 12:15 AM

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According to a statement by Catalog on the Halo Waypoint forums, the Swords of Sanghelios had implemented containment and sterilization protocols within possible Flood infected zones on the installation as of 2558; after the Swords of Sanghelios informed the UNSC of its containment efforts, human and Sangheili naval forces began monitoring the installation, ensuring the Flood did not escape. (Catalog Interaction, page 48) This statement is of dubious accuracy in light of information from Halo: Hunters in the Dark, which gives no indication of an ongoing Sangheili quarantine of Installation 07 as of 2555; instead, the Halo is depicted as having been discovered by the UNSC and remaining under ONI control, making the notion of the Swords informing the UNSC of their containment efforts distinctly out of place. Furthermore, no conspicuous Flood infection is described as being present on the installation in Hunters in the Dark. It is possible that Catalog's statement was instead meant to refer to Installation 05, which was known to be under quarantine by the Sangheili since the Great Schism, or was simply ignored and overridden during the writing process of Hunters in the Dark.

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Don't they also have ships keeping an eye on the remains of alpha halo?

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Both unsc and SoS have a fleet there

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Sos

stable flower Dec 26, 2020, 12:42 AM

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xD

unique rune Dec 26, 2020, 1:26 AM

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where's the lamb sos

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Wonder if brutes eat coleslaw

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Doubt it

signal osprey Dec 26, 2020, 4:09 AM

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brutes are stronger than elites ?? (in terms of pshysical strengh)

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 4:12 AM

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One is dino the other is gorilla

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Brutes are generally stronger with some exceptions I think

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Yeah, on the whole Jiralhanae are stronger then Sangheili

signal osprey Dec 26, 2020, 4:22 AM

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https://youtu.be/85LMUMtPHZI

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is in spanish but is great

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 4:38 AM

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The Jiralhane are stronger, but they can't use that strength all too well, unless they have a leader like Atriox

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 4:39 AM

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They can use it well, jut not wisely

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There is a reason part of their name literally means lunatic

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Some of them did a lot to live up to that part, didn't they?

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 4:40 AM

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I mean, their name is justified

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Don’t they eat grunts and fallen sangheili

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 4:42 AM

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And Kig Yaar

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and Humans

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 4:43 AM

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They eat anything that has meat pretty much

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Wonder if you can tame an infection form

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 4:57 AM

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That would be impossible

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 6:11 AM

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And impractical

next fox Dec 26, 2020, 6:56 AM

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I mean, why not? You can do it with tyranids

storm zodiac Dec 26, 2020, 7:17 AM

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I had a friend that frustrated me to no end when he said that johnson wasn't in the program that was basically spartan prototypes

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Elaborate

narrow wraith Dec 26, 2020, 8:25 AM

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So Atiox still alive

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Will there be Halo Wars 3?

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Oh Merry Christmas everyone

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 10:06 AM

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narrow wraith So Atiox still alive

When was it rumored that he ded

narrow wraith Dec 26, 2020, 10:39 AM

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He is strong

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 2:50 PM

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next fox I mean, why not? You can do it with tyranids

Tryanids and flood are not the same

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Come to think of it, I am not even sure if an infection form even has the intelligence granted to most animals

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 2:55 PM

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What are ｔｙｒａｎｉｄｓ?

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 2:56 PM

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A hive mind bug race from the tabletop game Warhammer 40k

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Ah

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Yeah, the Flood dont work like tyranids

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 2:56 PM

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https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Tyranids

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The closest they have to similarities is the hivemind nature, and they they consume biomass

versed helm Dec 26, 2020, 2:58 PM

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flood have a single mind, total. and from what i can tell, each tyranid can make decisions, up to a ceratin extent. infection forms cant do that.

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Well tyranids are the same way, the hivemind controls them like its own body

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Which they are,.so in that similar to the flood and a gravemind

humble yacht Dec 26, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Hive minds in fiction are like time travel. It’s like every iteration has its own rule set

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Pretty much

humble yacht Dec 26, 2020, 4:54 PM

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You know, endgame time travel rules kind of followed DBZ rules

next fox Dec 26, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Wouldn’t tyranids be considered prey to the flood?

pale zephyr Dec 26, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Anything with a functioning nervous system and sufficient biomass would be

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Yes, in theory, however their bio forms would decimate any flood form with ease

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Well until the flood manages to get a tiny cut in

pale zephyr Dec 26, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Doesn't even need to get a cut. Breathing In flood spores is also effective iirc

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 5:39 PM

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If it comes down to a cellular battle, the flood would win, pretty easily

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Going by that

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Coilfnt the flood just slap one and call it a day

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 5:50 PM

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tyranid fleets would be much more dangerous than coordinated stage flood however

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:01 PM

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The flood are one of those sci-fi races are pretty much as powerful as the plot needs them to be. We have seen them outright affect space and time themselves at the flood's most powerful. Shall I shake a fist for you Chimera?

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Doesn't the same go for the nids?

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If they ever win everybody dies?

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Yeah, the imperium is already screwed from like 5 different sides, nids are just stacking another problem for the 40k galaxy

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:16 PM

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No, the nids can't alter space and time.

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Nah the nids in the galaxy right now are just the scouts

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Apprently there are even stronger more powerful nids outside the galaxy

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:18 PM

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cedar surge Nah the nids in the galaxy right now are just the scouts

Pretty much, the imperium can barely deal with 3 hive fleets, and they’re not even the main fleet of the tyranids, the inquisition estimates they’d need to arm every man woman and child just to have a chance

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Anyways this just turned into a 40k lore channel

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Wait there are only 3 hive fleets?

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Oh wait

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I thought you meant in the whole galaxy

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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He did

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Oh

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:19 PM

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There are more than 3 fleets

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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So uh how powerful are these fleets

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Just they can barely deal with 3

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Theyre powerful enough to wipe out star systems with ease

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Oh

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:21 PM

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We should prob stop talking about this before the mods get pissed

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Well I think its ok as long I'm as it relates to halo in some way as nids to flood

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Or a vs

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But yea

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Maybe, the main tyranid fleet is rumored to consist of trillions of ships

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They prob have more than the forerunner at their peak

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:23 PM

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The imperium itself has around 100 000 ships right

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How are you supposed to fight that

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:26 PM

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They can’t

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However they will likely never come to the canon as GW wouldn’t want to get rid of their main faction

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:29 PM

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IoM is held together by sticks and glue about now

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:32 PM

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They always have been, there’s a reason why the current time period is called “the time of ending”

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You’ve got the necron re awakening, the tyranids, and the loss of Cadia

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Least the Covenant are a better civilization then the IOM

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:38 PM

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At least the covenant’s religion has evidence to back itself up

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Was thinking they are more benevolent then the IOM

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Not really, they prob treat forge workers terribly

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Yea but worshipping the emperor works somehow

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Also at the final battle of the FF war the flood had trillions of ships while FB had millions right

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yeah

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And there are still people what think the IOM would destroy the forerunners

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Me who doesn't know much about these other factions

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 6:56 PM

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@cedar surge at the final battle, the forerunners had a fleet of around 11,000 warships. The flood, under mendicant bias, had 4.8 million vessels of which 86436 were warships

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 6:58 PM

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offensive bias is good.

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Well he was programmed as a counter to mendicant bias. He knew mendicant would fight via anger, and thus offensive was just buying time

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Well

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That's a lot more of a beat down

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Couldn't MB have just rushed OB

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A few thousand can't stop millions of shios

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 7:22 PM

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He did partly, the first flood wave held a few.million civilian vessels

stable flower Dec 26, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I wonder if the Zentraedi can obliterate the Flood

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 7:25 PM

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What

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 7:31 PM

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The who

stable flower Dec 26, 2020, 7:31 PM

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No one heard of Robotech?

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I have

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And I am not sure on that

cedar surge Dec 26, 2020, 7:39 PM

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The steam game? It got a story now?

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I think the armies from SC2 can do it

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They just need to send one commander down onto a planet give it some time and a fortress world shall be made

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 7:40 PM

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No, pretty sure that was an anime back in the 90s

stable flower Dec 26, 2020, 7:51 PM

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80s actually. It's a pretty dead series now.

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Ah

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I think I saw a tiny bit of it when I was little

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 8:28 PM

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if only the forerunners didn't spend the entire time gardening their flowers.

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 8:29 PM

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If only the ancient humans didn't eat their infected pets

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 8:33 PM

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yes, if they didn't do that and instead killed the things maybe the universe would have been happy...

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Maybe

uncut kernel Dec 26, 2020, 8:43 PM

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but then we'd have the before runners running around...
should NOT have survived....

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Oh no what did I miss.

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I saw "Imperium". Im scared

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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ocean ibex And there are still people what think the IOM would destroy the forerunners

...oh god I did.

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Ha. HAHAHAHAHA.
HAHA! HA.
HAHA. Ha.
Ha. Hahah.

Really? Oh man.

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The Imperiums got...what, manpower going for them? Thats about it.
Ancient Humanity fought them to a standstill and thats about it. We're talking about people on par with, more than likely, the Necrons in universe here.

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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The forerunners make the imperium look like cavemen

terse lava Dec 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Yeah, figure when it comes to sci-fi vs stuff people usually know forerunner >Imperium

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:14 PM

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stable flower I wonder if the Zentraedi can obliterate the Flood

Lets just say this;
The bigger the bioform, the bigger the resulting Flood form.
Im not sure I want to see Flood infected Zentraedi.

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Also, yeah.
The Imperiums considered like...the most backwards of tech in the whole universe aint it?

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Except the Orks mind you but they dont really count.

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:14 PM

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They’re devolving in technology

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Right, cause the Mechanicus thinks inovation is heresy.

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Cacified dogma from half-remembered ideas turned into law enforced by bolt gun.

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At least until Cawl came along.

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Also for the person asking about the Flood earlier; some handy cheat sheet questions for.

Are they biological. If yes, then the Flood can probably win.
If they are not biological, do they converse? And as such are they succeptable to the Logic Plague.

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~~Oddly enough the best race to face the Flood from 40k would be the Necrons...~~

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~~Since their whole deal is basically purging all life at all, and their equipments designed exactly for that~~

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:17 PM

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terse lava Yeah, figure when it comes to sci-fi vs stuff people usually know forerunner >Im...

Everyone I see on forums claim the imperium can beat the forerunners in space, nobody takes into account that the forerunners can just mass create black holes and spam them at imperial fleets

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:18 PM

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last anchor ~~Oddly enough the best race to face the Flood from 40k would be the Necrons...~...

Or the orks

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Orks would be interesting. Cause they got that reality twisiting belief thing...

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If they think they're immune to infection, would they truly be immune?

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Probably

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:18 PM

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See now you got me thinking.

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Same thing with purple ork

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Have you ever seen a purple ork

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I have not.
Ergo; purple is sneaky

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Also if I remember right on Forerunner space combat, they have a thing called a clench where they literally slipspace vessels into broadside/boarding range.

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Like their control over slipspace is freaking SCARY

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Or they can just grab a star and throw it at imperial fleets

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Nothing they can do

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Ground war is the only thing the imperium can win against the forerunners

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:21 PM

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True. But even then, thats probably more through numbers than anything.

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Emperor titans would decimate promethean knights

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And the las gun is essentially a spartan laser that can fire much faster and never breaks down

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:22 PM

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I straight up forgot how powerful lasguns are listed as being.

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The universe treats em like they're piddly, but the actual description of their output is absurd.

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Same with lascannons. They're mentioned as being MOSTLY capable of handling enemy armor but by Halo standards that things firing the equivilent of a sun at someone.

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Same goes for plasma weaponry actually. You think Covie plasmas intense?

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Yeah, las guns are just slightly weaker spartan lasers

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Thats the baseline ones. Wonder what a hotshot is capable of...

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:24 PM

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They would one shot chief lmao

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Brutal.

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:24 PM

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A couple shots from a lasgun could put scorpions out of commission

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And they’re regarded as “flashlights” by astartes

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:26 PM

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And by Guardsmen too if the fandoms any reliable source

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But thats 40k; everything is stupid tough here because we SAY SO

ocean ibex Dec 26, 2020, 9:27 PM

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What’s the point in giving them good gear if they’re not going to survive 5 minutes into their first engagement

last anchor Dec 26, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Pretty much yeah.
Lasguns are stupid cheap to make and modifiable and reliable for the most part.