#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 445

versed helm Dec 15, 2020, 2:27 PM

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also the suit has a full blown catheter and everything, i doubt it would have issues with sanitation and sweat

zenith sage Dec 15, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Well @versed helm maybe that’s because not enough Spartans lost only their arm(s) in combat

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The ones that did only lose an arm were the lucky ones, they could have met worse fates

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The ones that keep their limbs intact are even luckier

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Just keep in mind that Kat was a Spartan 3 part of a very unique unit(Noble Team) which received experimental technology with their armour

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Technology that Spartan 3s normally didn’t receive due to their...expendability

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@paper coyote yes there were 2 Arks, the Greater and the Lesser. The Greater was destroyed by the Primordial and the Lesser is the one we have seen (yes that means there were 2 different Halo Arrays, but the Greater Array was dismantled bar one which is where we are going in Infinite)

versed helm Dec 15, 2020, 4:06 PM

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yeah but there must have been some odst's who were willing to even replace their current arm if it meant one upping the Spartans?

zenith sage Dec 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I personally doubt that

west silo Dec 15, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Because people probably like having fleshy bits

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And probably only get cybernetics to replace lost limbs

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You gotta remember this is halo not cyberpunk where every person is a low level cyborg

candid pecan Dec 15, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yeah

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it would be quite painful to surgically remove and replace a limb, if not more than losing it in action

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and they likely made others uncomfortable and werent exactly a "fashion" choice

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also heres a fun fact completely unrelated, the ancient swords of sanghelios allowed females into their ranks

west silo Dec 15, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Actually there are females in the swords of sanghelios

cedar surge Dec 15, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Not the og sos but the new one

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Also what would be better to give a odst with already working arms new robotic ones or give somebody who actually need them

west silo Dec 15, 2020, 11:58 PM

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What more people seem to forget logistics exist

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Your gonna have to properly maintain that cybernetic part for the rest of your life

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And that probably cost a lot

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Unless your in the military

craggy roost Dec 16, 2020, 12:00 AM

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So does sangheili shampoo

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They get around

west silo Dec 16, 2020, 12:00 AM

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So does barns

cedar surge Dec 16, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Plus how exactly would that one up a spartan

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That's basically telling them you can't one up them without strapping machinery to yourself

formal path Dec 16, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I think prophets were british

versed helm Dec 16, 2020, 7:27 AM

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I absolutely love the old script of Halo CE. It brought a newfound sense of tension to a lot of the scenes (I had no idea they wanted that one Marine to have his guts torn out in the “hold still!” Moment).

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Cyborg Spartans being referred to as “Mark VIII” is fascinating, Merging the Mjolnir and it’s wearer as being a single project

flat tundra Dec 16, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Let's say that 343 Industries really want to do more Halo video games, is there any storylines from the Halo novel books you would like to see being explored in future installments? Personally, I want to see the next Halo video games that is based on Halo: Contact Harvest, Halo: Bad Blood and Halo: Ghosts of Onyx.

versed helm Dec 16, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Eh, to be honest I feel like Halo’s EU has been damaging to creative freedom for the newer game writers. A less homogenised structure is crucial for creativity and exploration, and 343’s more liberal use of “everything is A-tier canon” has isolated what they can do with future games

sick surge Dec 16, 2020, 11:57 AM

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wow I love how sensitive the chat filter is, I typed out this long elaborate paragraph just for it to be deleted when it contained no profanity or sensitive content, really cool really cool

craggy sierra Dec 16, 2020, 1:19 PM

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flat tundra Let's say that 343 Industries really want to do more Halo video games, is there ...

I’d rather they just make new stories

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I’m done with prequels at this point especially with stuff set in the war

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It’d play out the exact same as Reach but with the characters saying “what the hell is that?” a lot more.

versed helm Dec 16, 2020, 2:32 PM

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sick surge wow I love how sensitive the chat filter is, I typed out this long elaborate par...

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versed helm Dec 16, 2020, 3:04 PM

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sick surge wow I love how sensitive the chat filter is, I typed out this long elaborate par...

the warden do be like that

sonic folio Dec 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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What happens to human POWs

cedar surge Dec 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Covenant would most likely kill/eat them

stable flower Dec 16, 2020, 6:09 PM

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versed helm Eh, to be honest I feel like Halo’s EU has been damaging to creative freedom for...

Amen.

vague scroll Dec 16, 2020, 6:16 PM

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versed helm Eh, to be honest I feel like Halo’s EU has been damaging to creative freedom for...

I have an opposite opinion, that the games have limited what the EU can explore and do. Because the games are the crucial events in the Halo Universe, all other expanded/lesser stories have to abide and continue to tie back to the events of the games. The Created emergence in Halo 5 is a great example, where immediately after Halo 5 all the books couldn't move forward from that point because early in the design process, people weren't sure what life under Created subjugation looked like - or how to defeat the Guardians. Each little book since has tried to work within that broad and very difficult scope that sets aside every single post-Covenant War narrative like Gao, Venezia, pursuing the San'Shyuum flotilla, the Jiralhanae-Sangheili Blooding Years, the status of the Didact/Librarian/Janus Key, the UNSC's recovery, etc. All those stories have to be set aside now because the Created have sweeped those stories aside and forced characters into hiding or putting them on the run.

It's a new era for Halo but it still only gave 5 short years for the galaxy to explore what life is like with aliens but not while dealing with an galactic war at the same time.

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Not even books like Shadows of Reach set a year after Halo 5 really can go into detail on what the Created are doing, and rather focus on the periphery items on the frontier that are smaller and more familiar threats like the Banished.

jolly furnace Dec 16, 2020, 6:31 PM

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EU is mainly for hardcore fans and games for casual players I think. Having said that, 4 proved in my opinion, the games can use the EU in the plot well

harsh jetty Dec 16, 2020, 6:55 PM

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flat tundra Let's say that 343 Industries really want to do more Halo video games, is there ...

I know this probably won't happen but I would like for them remake Halo the Fall of Reach(Not gonna happen I know but that's something I would like to see remade to be more lore friendly)

cedar surge Dec 16, 2020, 7:02 PM

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The movie or the book

harsh jetty Dec 16, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Both

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jk the book

harsh jetty Dec 16, 2020, 7:05 PM

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craggy sierra I’d rather they just make new stories

The new stories aren't really holding up tho.

carmine sleet Dec 16, 2020, 7:17 PM

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All the recent novels have had lots of praise if I recall

craggy sierra Dec 16, 2020, 8:33 PM

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harsh jetty The new stories aren't really holding up tho.

The issue with the war is that it doesn’t have much in the way of nuance to it. It was literally just 25 years of us getting our teeth kicked in by the covenant. There’s not much you can do with that. Post-war has a lot of political intrigue it can play off and developing the galaxy in a post-war/post-created era and exploring the impacts left by them.

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It’s fumbled a lot of thing with the games sure, but the last thing I want is a retreat into a safe zone that they become too scared to ever move away from.

gilded mason Dec 16, 2020, 8:36 PM

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craggy sierra The issue with the war is that it doesn’t have much in the way of nuance to it. ...

👌 👍

slim thorn Dec 16, 2020, 8:54 PM

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cedar surge Covenant would most likely kill/eat them

Well, only those gorillas and Jackals wants to eat the humans while not for the Sangheilis.

cedar surge Dec 16, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Don't forget the crab monkeys

warm dust Dec 16, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I'm happy for 343 to recon stuff as long as they do it through a good story

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Like what they did with Spark.

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 12:24 AM

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When does hw2 spearbreaker take place? canonically

agile slate Dec 17, 2020, 12:24 AM

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idk

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Pretty sure a week or two after HW2 ending

fair hazel Dec 17, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Spearbraker may 1st

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 AM

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cedar surge Pretty sure a week or two after HW2 ending

It's around 1 month after Installation 09 departs

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And Flood outbreak is around a month after Operation: Spearbreaker

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 AM

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cedar surge Don't forget the crab monkeys

Oh, bugs that builds houses at Data Hive? Oh, yeah. Forgot that one.

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 1:01 AM

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What do hunters eat?

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Do they eat meat or just rocks and metals

humble yacht Dec 17, 2020, 1:02 AM

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they eat forerunner stuff

terse lava Dec 17, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Only some, others eat various rocks and minerals

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 1:18 AM

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If all they humters ate forerunners stuff they'd be extinct

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Or in a way worse position than they were in the covenant

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So what does that make hunters?

Herbivores?

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Rockivores?

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Mineralivores?

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Well some hunters are extinct

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Some hunters ate forerunner mcguffins so the covenant decided they should die

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And the hunters who didn't helped

terse lava Dec 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Yea the ones who ate forerunner material were wiped out by the Covenant. The rest lived and joined the union

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Its funny when you think of it as the covenant telling the lekgolo
Become vegan or die!!!!

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Forerunner metal is meat?

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Wonder if any hunters organized themselves into groups since they control a bunch of covenant machinery

humble yacht Dec 17, 2020, 3:23 AM

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hunters travel in pairs

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 6:48 AM

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What really happened to 049 Abject Testament because we never see him again after that conversation he had with GS

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Did he go rampant or what?

terse lava Dec 17, 2020, 6:50 AM

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No one knows

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 6:57 AM

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So I just watched that CEA terminal with the unknown alien spacecraft and it still bothers me, what race built that ship

gilded mason Dec 17, 2020, 6:58 AM

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We don't know, and probably never will.

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 7:00 AM

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True

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Plus, whatever race built it could be dead by now

ocean ibex Dec 17, 2020, 7:04 AM

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I mean, they’re likely much more advanced than the current halo factions

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If they built spacecrafts before humans invented farming techniques, they’re likely aliens you don’t wanna mess with

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 7:13 AM

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True, I wonder if they would make good allies in our fight against Cortana

ocean ibex Dec 17, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Well, since you are the god emperor himself why don’t you just banish her to the warp

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 7:21 AM

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So where on Earth was Jacob Keyes from?

ocean ibex Dec 17, 2020, 7:22 AM

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We don’t know, he spent some time of his childhood near the Pacific Ocean

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Possibly on the West Coast of North America

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Considering there is an image of the Arizona desert in the CEA terminals

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At least I think it was Arizona

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Could there have been any way for Jacob Keyes to survive the events of Alpha Halo?

ocean ibex Dec 17, 2020, 7:31 AM

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No?

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Not be with Johnson's team

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He would also have to survive the attack on alpha base

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And then be with Johnson to end up on the pelican that got off the ring

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Unfortunately he'd most likely be on the captured shipTAR which didn't end well

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 12:30 PM

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versed helm Could there have been any way for Jacob Keyes to survive the events of Alpha Hal...

If there was not any attack to cover the escape of PoA from Reach, Keyes may still be able to survive since Noble Six could be assigned as one of his guard and his escort team may not entirely wiped out or can make a defense perimeter to meet up with chief.

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Unless Spark teleports the entire team into the library.

narrow wraith Dec 17, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I can't believe Atriox still on loose

unique rune Dec 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Finished Shadows of Reach last night. For some reason I can’t stop thinking about how someone asked here if there was anymore info on Taoti only for it to turn out that said Kig-Yar only appears on one page of novel, half of which is pretty much describing how John kills him.

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Oh yea

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I think that was me

fair hazel Dec 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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But why

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 7:28 PM

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narrow wraith I can't believe Atriox still on loose

and Douglas wants to avenge him

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 7:34 PM

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And Decimus is leading the remaining banished forces

stable flower Dec 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Decimus?

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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west silo And Decimus is leading the remaining banished forces

Decimus died in Halo Wars 2, we literally see him die in game

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Wasn't there some joke going on just now?

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Atriox still being on the ark ?

Douglas wanting to avenge him?

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And yes I know he died it was one of the worse things in the game for me

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Decimus died under the hands of Jerome and Douglas

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and Atriox already escaped from the Ark

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Douglas wants to make revenge of Atriox after he broke his shoulder.

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Possibly now Pavium is leading the Banished on the ark

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Make revenge of atriox?

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Dude that sounds like avenging him

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You mean get revenge on atriox

half verge Dec 17, 2020, 8:30 PM

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what's your favorite halo character?

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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west silo Make revenge of atriox?

Douglas is still angry about what happened to him.

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Well they did get owned by a single brute

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Who lacked any ranged weapons no less

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And probably doesn't have any shields

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They also have the numbers advantage

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Oh he also broke his arm

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I would be a little angry too

slim thorn Dec 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Yeah, Douglas is extremely pissed about it. Considering he was hospitalized for around two to three days

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Does atriox have shields?

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Really weird that red team didn't put a bullet through his skull when they were retreating

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They even had a BR pretty much the perfect weapon for that job aside from the sniper rifle

stable flower Dec 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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According to concept art, Decimus was meant to be reanimated by the Flood in ATN

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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So who or what could've been imprisoned within that Halo Reach/CEA map Solitary?

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Obviously it's masterchief's evil twin

ocean ibex Dec 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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versed helm So who or what could've been imprisoned within that Halo Reach/CEA map Solitary?

We don’t know

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Might be a precursor

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Maybe an alien race that might've pissed off the Forerunners because we see similar structures in the panorama of the map

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Remember in warfleet where it stated that there are threats that neither the forerunners or precursors could destroy and were only able to contain in crystallized time prisons?

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Maybe one of those threats or something similar?

versed helm Dec 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I have no idea because I don't have a copy of Warfleet

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2020, 10:38 PM

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ocean ibex Might be a precursor

Definitely not a Precursor, the Forerunners only ever found one, and that one was kept on Installation 07 for a time, not in the facility that Solitary is set in

stable flower Dec 17, 2020, 10:42 PM

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That gave me an idea. What if the Harbinger is a Precursor?

unique rune Dec 17, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Sure hope it isn't

craggy sierra Dec 17, 2020, 10:45 PM

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That’d be kinda dumb

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Precursors in general are something that I feel just shouldn’t be brought up again

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We canonized god and they made our entire existence as a hobby.

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Bringing an entity like that into the modern era pretty much is short hand for saying “everything in the series is meaningless and only happens on the whims of god. Your conflicts mean literally nothing in the grand scale.”

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Well if the harbinger was a precursor

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Then infinite would like 3 minutes long

craggy sierra Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I mean idk what a precursor would even do

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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They could just think you out of existance

craggy sierra Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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It'd either do shag all to the point of wondering why it even has a place in the story or it would just immediately end all conflict

cedar surge Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Nobody except the created could fight one

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 11:11 PM

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craggy sierra Bringing an entity like that into the modern era pretty much is short hand for s...

On the other hand lovecraftian halo sounds Super cool

craggy sierra Dec 17, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I guess if you literally don't like anything about the universe sure

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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In the ending of infinite the harbinger destroys the universe and the series takes place in the new one

craggy sierra Dec 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Yeah that'd be terrible

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Like jojo part 7 or marathon infinity

stable flower Dec 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Aren't the Flood already Lovecraftian though?

west silo Dec 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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And yes I am joking

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Yes they are

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But not nothing you do matters lovecraftian

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More bloodborn where they're able to be stopped

stable flower Dec 18, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Do the Covenant (or in this case, Ol' Julie's Covenant) consider Prometheans to be holy warriors of the Sacred Rings just like the Sentinels, or something else?

cedar surge Dec 18, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Well the prometheans don't really defend the rings

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They were all stocked up at reqieum

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Maybe holy defensers of reqieum

stable flower Dec 18, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I say Sacred Rings because one of the Elites in H2's The Arbiter level called the Sentinels that, even though they weren't on a ring (though it's justified, because it was near Alpha Halo).

slim rivet Dec 18, 2020, 6:46 AM

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so dose the Master chef have a documented age??

gilded mason Dec 18, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Yes.

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Born March 7, 2511

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Hes now old enough to have his midlife crisis

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Hmm isn't that basically the whole reclaimer saga?

slim rivet Dec 18, 2020, 7:34 AM

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postums yes that's what I was thinking

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Johnson was like what, somewhere in his 70s and was still able to kick Covenant booty

stable flower Dec 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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I believe they have something in the future that slows aging, which explains how Johnson looked 40 despite being 80

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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What war was Crow's Nest built for?

opal birch Dec 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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stable flower I believe they have something in the future that slows aging, which explains how...

maybe all the time he spent in cryo contributed to him not looking as old and maybe medical advances helped too

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Wasn't Parangosky like 100 or something the first time we see her?

opal birch Dec 18, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Don't remember, but medical technology probably advanced enough where the average lifespan is probably a lot closer to 100 than it is now.

slim thorn Dec 18, 2020, 1:09 PM

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stable flower According to concept art, Decimus was meant to be reanimated by the Flood in ATN

The Banished then should fear the Flood further if they do indeed secretly brings Decimus body back to HC rather than being thrown into Proto-Gravemind.

cedar surge Dec 18, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Yea I'm pretty sure crows nest goes back to the interplanetary war

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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opal birch Don't remember, but medical technology probably advanced enough where the averag...

yes it is, but the human-covenant war really did effect that, with a lot of humanity being glassed into oblivion

stable flower Dec 18, 2020, 7:56 PM

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All instances of cancer are easily-curable in the 26th-century too. It's about as serious as having a cold.

ocean ibex Dec 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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You still need surgery though

cedar surge Dec 18, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Like that unsc captain who didn't even know about cancer

jolly furnace Dec 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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craggy sierra Bringing an entity like that into the modern era pretty much is short hand for s...

Whether they come in or not, all conflicts are in reality meaningless on the grand scale of things. They are out there somewhere observing regardless of whether they come back or not.

scarlet topaz Dec 18, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Does somebody know what the big forerunner building was under the ice in the package on halo reach?

humble yacht Dec 18, 2020, 9:15 PM

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something related to slipspace

jolly furnace Dec 18, 2020, 9:19 PM

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That was a ship

opal birch Dec 18, 2020, 9:29 PM

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candid pecan yes it is, but the human-covenant war really did effect that, with a lot of huma...

Not talking about the war dude, just how medical advances would increase the time it took to die of old age a little.

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 9:33 PM

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opal birch Not talking about the war dude, just how medical advances would increase the tim...

yeah ik, but after wartime, as seen in the middle ages of europe, life expectancy does shrink a bit

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just sayin

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srry if its not related to what you were saying my bad

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 9:34 PM

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sonic folio What happens to human POWs

yeah they rarely took prisoners, sometimes ate em, but some, like Keyes, were valuable

cedar surge Dec 18, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Covenant had some human prisoners on HC

stable flower Dec 18, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Covenant seem to leave many high-ranking human combatants alive when they capture them.

cedar surge Dec 18, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Those must have been some pretty high ranking marines to take them onto the holiest site in the covenant empire

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 10:51 PM

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stable flower All instances of cancer are easily-curable in the 26th-century too. It's about a...

Actually kats grandma died from cancer surprisingly

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 10:54 PM

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candid pecan yeah they rarely took prisoners, sometimes ate em, but some, like Keyes, were va...

Its still one of the most plot convenient things to this day that keyes was able to overhear two elites discussing the location of forerunners superweapons

honest orchid Dec 18, 2020, 10:58 PM

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cough Arbiter not infected by the flood cough

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 11:00 PM

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west silo Its still one of the most plot convenient things to this day that keyes was able...

ikr

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 11:00 PM

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His shields blocked it

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Just roll with it

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 11:00 PM

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you would think that they would be speaking sangheili in front of the prisoner but nope

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good old fashioned english

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 11:01 PM

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The language of the universe

candid pecan Dec 18, 2020, 11:01 PM

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yup

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 11:47 PM

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So what human planets have remained undisturbed by Cortana and the Created so far?, at least for now

gilded mason Dec 18, 2020, 11:47 PM

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We don't know.

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Post-Created lore is pretty barren.

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The entire Sol System has been compromised and as of Shadows of Reach, Reach as well

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And that one Innie planet

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What is Venezia's status right now?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2020, 11:49 PM

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We don't know.

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I would imagine it remains under the Cortana's radar. at least for now

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If I was in the Halo universe, I would probably just bum it out on either Venezia or Sanghelios

rotund frigate Dec 18, 2020, 11:54 PM

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haha cliff go brr

versed helm Dec 18, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Wait, didn't half of Sanghelios get EMPed by a Guardian?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Yes.

west silo Dec 18, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Does onyx count as safe?

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Its technically a human world now

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 12:00 AM

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What about Forseti?

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Or Cascade or Andesia

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 12:00 AM

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versed helm Wait, didn't half of Sanghelios get EMPed by a Guardian?

And it was such a minor thing everyone had a BBQ a few hours later

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 12:03 AM

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west silo Its technically a human world now

Joint world. >=(

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Our world

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I would probably bum it out on Onyx then

opal birch Dec 19, 2020, 12:04 AM

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candid pecan srry if its not related to what you were saying my bad

don't worry

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 12:04 AM

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That's the best place really

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Unless you want to role play nbsg just chill on the infinity

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Well until whatever happens in infinite anyways

terse lava Dec 19, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Still love how thr guardian had trouble with sangheilos

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 12:40 AM

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It did ?

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In badblood they just said it got bored shooting fish in a barrel and just emp'd everything

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It was never in danger

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 1:12 AM

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candid pecan yeah they rarely took prisoners, sometimes ate em, but some, like Keyes, were va...

Elites did value humans, but not for others like Brutes, jackals, even Drones. They tend to feast on human corpses.

craggy sierra Dec 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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jolly furnace Whether they come in or not, all conflicts are in reality meaningless on the gra...

Then they should stay out there and keep having no impact

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Am pretty sure elites will kill you ten out ten times

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Only times are exceptions like when they take prisoners for interrogation or to active forerunners artifacts

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Or having them into a "mercy killing" like having duels

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Still, it's better than other factions

stable flower Dec 19, 2020, 1:50 AM

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I'm not sure who the Russians of the Covenant were, the Elites or the Brutes

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Like the union Soviets?

terse lava Dec 19, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Wh....what?

craggy sierra Dec 19, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Hunters if anyone

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They share the most societal values that could be equated to communism

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Also stop looking for analogs to real life entities where there’s not meant to be any

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Great now we just have to find the other WW2 enemy in the covenant

terse lava Dec 19, 2020, 1:58 AM

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No one in the Covenant, nor the Covenant itself resembled any form of communism

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Let's please not do this

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Hmmm does this mean that the human covenant was was just WW2 in space

humble yacht Dec 19, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Didn’t you just say “let’s not”

opal birch Dec 19, 2020, 3:04 AM

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west silo Hmmm does this mean that the human covenant was was just WW2 in space

definitely not

stable flower Dec 19, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I meant to say Russian, and it's because of how they treat prisoners or surrendered enemies.

opal birch Dec 19, 2020, 3:42 AM

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I mean the Japanese and the Germans were just as bad

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Didn't the covenant have a torture method where they used gravity to peel your skin off?

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 4:10 AM

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That was pretty new.

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:14 AM

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How new?

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Like a couple 100 years new ?

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Or a few decades new?

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I'll check real quick

terse lava Dec 19, 2020, 4:23 AM

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It was only at best a few years new. It was so new it couldn't be used in the battle against humans. Also, it didn't peel skin, it could change the gravity on something. Like crushing only a hand with the weight of a gas giant

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Am pretty sure I remember something about skin peeling

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Or turning elites inside out

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 4:27 AM

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west silo Or turning elites inside out

It did squeeze them like a toothpaste bottle

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Yeah that's what am remembering

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 4:40 AM

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west silo How new?

Oh yeah, here's the passage on it:

"Our purposes in this chamber today are for”—he looked at Zo significantly—“interrogation.”

Zo spoke, just to keep his mind busy, to stall the Prophet of Exquisite Devotion. “I have never heard of such a use in the Covenant . . .”

“Oh, it is new. Very new, very experimental—perhaps it will not be practical for our needs with the humans, given their time is almost at a end. But for dissidents? For rebels clawing at us as we make our final steps on the Path?”

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Really really new then

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Ye

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Cool that they would have used it against the humans on a large scale if the war wasn't basically over

tacit pecan Dec 19, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I read that book fairly recently.

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God I haven't read a Halo book in what feels like forever.

placid root Dec 19, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Lore: Plasma weapons could kill a fully armored UNSC marine in about 4 shots
any piece of halo media: That doesn't apply because I can't read.

tacit pecan Dec 19, 2020, 5:41 AM

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If only there was a memes channel.

placid root Dec 19, 2020, 5:42 AM

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If only,

cedar surge Dec 19, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Actually not even four

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1 or 2 will do it

ocean ibex Dec 19, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Where’s you get 4 from

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Cuz like lance said, 2 is enough to disable a marine

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 7:43 AM

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So why does the Mombasa in the Halo universe look different from its real life counterpart, in terms of geography?

ocean ibex Dec 19, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Why would the halo devs go out of their way to research the topography of the city

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Like you understand how terrible the halo 2 development was

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Yep, I heard that they used the same assets from Halo CE

ocean ibex Dec 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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They did

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 7:56 AM

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That was lazy

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Halo 2 wasn't an asset flip of Combat Evolved but the team making the game definitely when through hell trying to make it

carmine sleet Dec 19, 2020, 8:36 AM

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versed helm So why does the Mombasa in the Halo universe look different from its real life c...

Bungie more than likely didn't want to limit themselves to real world geography when designing the levels set within the city. Plus, Halo is set 500 years in the future, things aren't going to look the same

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 8:38 AM

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True

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 9:40 AM

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versed helm So why does the Mombasa in the Halo universe look different from its real life c...

Yep I noticed that too. Judging by geography position, it moved 15 degrees south considering 7 PM the sun still up at NMPD.

But, need to take another look to see if there were any ring that can linked to it such as Japan and Indonesia that often has earthquake due to have the slab from multiple area.

versed helm Dec 19, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Well, tectonic movements will have caused changes over 500 years.

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 1:52 PM

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15 degrees south it's like... extreme

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That can be like in 35 years, you get one degree to the south

vague scroll Dec 19, 2020, 4:10 PM

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@versed helm the vast majority of Mombasa is very close to what it looks like in real life just 500 years in the future and some stuff just didn’t make it into the game or quite fit due to lore expansion over time

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@slim thorn you know Bungie isn’t checking something as compulsive as where the sun rests in the sky

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They’re not Bohemia Interactive getting their employees arrested by the Turkish government for quote on quote spying because they’re taking a bunch of pictures of government buildings and locales for research for Arma

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~~Also I’m pretty sure Mombasa rests on a relatively stable seismic zone compared to Japan or Indonesia~~

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The closest fault line is the Great Rift Valley inland

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Actually, recount that, East Africa is volatile to seismic activity quite a bit

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Yeah, but not to the extreme point itself like I said.

signal osprey Dec 19, 2020, 10:48 PM

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west silo Hmmm does this mean that the human covenant was was just WW2 in space

wow this makes a bit of sense

west silo Dec 19, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Both of them were about one side on a genocidal campaign against another side while using effective but extremely drawn out methods

slim thorn Dec 19, 2020, 11:10 PM

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So like The Covenant are axis and UNSC are allies, then?

gilded mason Dec 19, 2020, 11:11 PM

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What

tulip maple Dec 19, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I mean it makes sense

unique rune Dec 19, 2020, 11:49 PM

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I feel like that comparison stops working when you add in the fact that the UNSC was pretty much just getting steamrolled the entire time by a numerically and technologically superior force

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Any human victory in the Human-Covenant War was just delaying the inevitable, at best

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Had the Great Schism not happened when it did, the UNSC surely would not have stood a chance.

versed helm Dec 20, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Humanity only survived because of the Sangheili

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We owe them our thanks, even though their hands are stained with the blood of billions of humans

dusk basin Dec 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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so, after recently talking about playable elites and some people thinking they may not be lore friendly- whats the general consensus on that?

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i know peace talks with the sangheili havent been made yet (i think)

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and ONI continues with their crap on the sangheili

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and i definitely dont think playable elites should be excluded because of lore

pale zephyr Dec 20, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Lore shouldn't have any bearing on multplayer :v

dusk basin Dec 20, 2020, 1:27 AM

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exactly

pale zephyr Dec 20, 2020, 1:27 AM

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playable elites would be cool, lore friendly or not.

dusk basin Dec 20, 2020, 1:27 AM

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well infinite is a good few years after 5 so maybe oni's done with their tomfoolery

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or maybe tensions did erupt and the sangheili (all sangheili) are back to hating humans

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Not sure how playable elites wouldn't be lore friendly

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The unsc is allied with the SoS and train with them

opal birch Dec 20, 2020, 1:44 AM

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unique rune I feel like that comparison stops working when you add in the fact that the UNSC...

This. Also the major powers of WW2 were on relatively equal terms technology wise when the war started. The Allies had superior industrial capacity and capability, they established extensive supply lines during the war, had/or established better intelligence and code breaking services, and they eventually fielded larger armies than the Axis powers. The UNSC's victory was kind of a Hail Mary. I don't see how anyone could really make any real parallels between WW2 and the Human-Covenant War.

opal birch Dec 20, 2020, 1:47 AM

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cedar surge Not sure how playable elites wouldn't be lore friendly

You're right that it doesn't contradict lore, it's just that Elites were kinda unbalanced due to their weird hit boxes in all the games where they were playable.

dusk basin Dec 20, 2020, 1:58 AM

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probably just allow them in social but not in ranked

pale zephyr Dec 20, 2020, 1:58 AM

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That'd work

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 2:03 AM

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If 343 really can't think if a way to balance them in rank, give them their own rank playlist.

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 2:14 AM

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opal birch You're right that it doesn't contradict lore, it's just that Elites were kinda u...

And the fact that they don't need health packs in Reach.

opal birch Dec 20, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Wait really? It's been like 9-years since I played any mode in Reach that involved the hinge heads.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Yeah, no need for a health pack. Just fall back and heal up

west silo Dec 20, 2020, 2:18 AM

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That's a pretty big balancing flaw

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Then again this is bungie and looking at destiny 1 and 2 I can't say am surprised

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I take it because Bungie didn't think of coming up with the Covenant equivalent of first aid.

slim thorn Dec 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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dusk basin and ONI continues with their crap on the sangheili

I was personally think ONI is a jack*** politician that only care for profits for their own, not thinking what lies at the future.

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 2:23 AM

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That reminds me. Do the Covenant have first aid in lore?

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Yes.

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Their medical tech is actually extremely advanced

west silo Dec 20, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Yeah it actually more advanced than humans

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K traviss just made them super dumb

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Well for everyone except most elites

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 2:49 AM

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The elites have tooo much ''honor'' and just refuse medics.

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Nah

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Only some

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 2:51 AM

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That was exaggerated.

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Righteo. Felt it was worth a mention since so many others think all of 'em refuse.

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Yes, obviously the arbiter wants it and the medics want it so the idea that all of them hate medics is contradicted by something sitting right next to the complaining elite.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, we do see all covenant ships do have medical suites, which are capable of repairing anyone within a very short time. Sure Sangheili sometimes passed on that, but not all

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I feel like those Sangheili were treated as the anti-vaxxers of the Sangheili

versed helm Dec 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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As far as I know, the contact in harvest started the human-covenant war, right?

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Yup

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Yep, also I think truth's original plan was to infiltrate humans from the inside but also sent the least negotiable team possible to screw it up from early on.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:01 AM

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No, Regret was the one who sent the Jiralhanae as an official first contact group to Harvest. At this time, Regret and Truth, and Mercy were not Hierarchs yet.

versed helm Dec 20, 2020, 4:01 AM

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:0

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:01 AM

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There was no plan to screw the meeting up that was pure accident

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:01 AM

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The second part was a theory the first part was also a theory

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thanks for clarification, Regret is always the one to accidentally screw up everyone elses's plans

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:02 AM

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He didn't screw anything up

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:03 AM

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He did for a few things, such as ordering elites to kill jackals that were planning to infiltrate huamns, jumping the gun, ect.

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 4:03 AM

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First kill: Johnson. First weapon used to kill: XBR55. First species to be killed: Kig-Yar.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:04 AM

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It was all on the over eager unggoy. Two teams were sent to meet with the humans. The team the chieftain was with, and another led by Tartarus. Tartarus's team was searching the area for the oracle while the chieftains group talked with the humans. An over eager unggoy was serving in Tartarus's team and was spooked by a marine and killed him.

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Yes, I said accidentally and I should've followed up with accidentally causing the events.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Makes you feel any better, Truth was the one to issue the idea to wipe out the humans, and told Regret to carry it out.

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Yes, I knew that he was the one who really wanted humans to be killed (The most) and also regret indirectly caused the covenant to fall by getting to delta halo.

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but- Really it was that one prophet in thel's fleet.

deep dew Dec 20, 2020, 4:13 AM

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who is yap yap

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:13 AM

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They are a grunt that rebelled from the banished.

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And sorta succeeded

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 4:14 AM

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So a Grunt started the war?

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Which war?

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Yapyap may not even be truly canon

stable flower Dec 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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HCW

nocturne owl Dec 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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wonder what happened to the librarian

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Died on Earth.

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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There are probably more grunts than humans so names will 100% overlap/

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Think of some guy named john who died to accidentally sticking himself, that doesn't mean master chief died by sticking themselves.

terse lava Dec 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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...huh?

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Someone said 'died on earth' and I was assuming they were referring to yapyap

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Nope, I was answering the person right above me.

uncut kernel Dec 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Oh, sorry.

gilded mason Dec 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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It's fine

noble elk Dec 20, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Shadows of reach is no longer spoiler content here right?

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Yea

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Its been months since release

full narwhal Dec 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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whats a level 1 directive?
Making a machinima wanna know it’s meaning to use the term or not

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Most important task that needs to be completed I think

thorny wren Dec 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Hey guys what order should I read the halo books and in a lore standpoint

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 8:53 PM

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I suggest starting off from FoR

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Or if you want to start from the complete beginning

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The forerunner saga

thorny wren Dec 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Can I get a complete list of all the books In order if you want to Planning on getting them this Christmas

hearty dirge Dec 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I'm pretty sure there is a lot of books.

thorny wren Dec 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Probably 40+

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From what I’ve seen

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But I’m a huge fanatic of the Lore and I’m planning on getting all of them

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If anybody has any questions go ahead try me

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I’ll do my best to answer

cedar surge Dec 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Oh I recommend going onto halopedia

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They have a complete list of the books and the order

sick surge Dec 20, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I think the number of normal books is around 33 but there are a lot more if you consider guides, comics etc.

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I read 2 so far and just got 3 more

twin venture Dec 21, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Stupid question: What happened to fireteam crimson after halo 4?

vague scroll Dec 21, 2020, 1:08 AM

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they're still around, the lore hasn't mentioned them since Halo 4 Spartan Ops

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:31 AM

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I think they cameo’d in shadow’s of reach

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They kinda just show up on when the Infinity sends re-reinforcements and chief’s just like “yep, that’s a group of Spartan’s alright”

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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How badly would the Human Covenant war have gone for the UNSC

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Had SPARTANs never existed?

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On a scale of 1-10000

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Honestly I don’t know how much would have been different. The covenant would’ve collapsed in on itself regardless.

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Really wouldn't, considering the prophet of regret wouldn't have died.

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They wouldn't have been able to send Blue Team in halo legends and prove humanity could win either

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Truth was plotting that very very very far in advance

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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After SPARTAN-II'S had been created.

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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If chief hadn’t been around to deck him in the face 25 times something still would’ve happened to regret.

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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The ground battles were really only won when SPARTANs got on the field. The marines had trouble with grunts and jackals I imagine.

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And if an Elite (which was a pretty rare sight for marines) got onto the field, they were pretty much dead.

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Especially if it was a Zealot or Ultra

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(shivers in reach and halo 2 ultras)

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:50 AM

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There were only like 3 dozen spartan 2’s you know.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Earth would have died

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Remember first strike?

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Remember halo wars

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Remember reach

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Oh I remember reach quite vividly

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Yeah none of those events really had to do with the covenant falling apart from the inside.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Am not talking bout the covenant stability

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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BRO

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AUTOCORRECT

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Am talking about the unsc dying

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Anyways, there were spartan 3's along with 2's, which provided heavy aid for UNSC Troopers.

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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I mean the war was going terribly even with spartans

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Without those assets, the UNSC only has human troops which could be one-two hit killed by any covenant plasma weapon.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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And it would have been worse without them

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Active camo didn't exactly help the situation for marines either.

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Most spartan 3’s were in the same boat as well

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Spartan 3 were pretty small scale

stable flower Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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3s were designed to fight the Covenant

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Hell I'm pretty sure SPARTANs were the only UNSC unit that could stand up to elites 1v1 and actually win.

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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A vast majority of the 3 forces never had power armour

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:53 AM

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As in there operations

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:54 AM

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That is true. We saw how badly it turned out on lone wolf with Spartan III's that had MJOLNIR

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Imagine what the ones with SPI had to deal with

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:54 AM

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barren ferry Hell I'm pretty sure SPARTANs were the only UNSC unit that could stand up to eli...

You’re not wrong but you are vastly over selling their role in the war as well.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Probably not as bad aa the ones on onyx

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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I'm really not. SPARTANs greatly increased the morale of marines during it.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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craggy sierra You’re not wrong but you are vastly over selling their role in the war as well.

Actually Spartans have more covenant ship kills than most unsc ships

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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And without chief to get Cortana off the pillar of autumn, that would have been the end for humanity.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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I am not joking

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Like we were losing the war. We would have lost if the covenant never ate itself from the inside out.

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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We would have lost without spartans as well. What exactly implies truth was planning to do that without chief and other spartans getting in the way?

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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craggy sierra Like we were losing the war. We *would* have lost if the covenant never ate itse...

We would have lost before that

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First strike was gonna happen

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They just got lucky

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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First strike happened before or after CE?

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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After

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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We would have lost before first strike on the pillar of autumn

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Chief was literally their only way to get Cortana off the ship safely.

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And even he struggled to do so.

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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And time travel was involved A little so the timeline is a little screwed

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:57 AM

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barren ferry We would have lost without spartans as well. What exactly implies truth was plan...

The broken circle and also the fact that he was literally pulling troops away from regret and silencing communications about chief’s approach.

barren ferry Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yes, chiefs approach right?

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You know, the only soldier humanity had that could break through their defenses even with the pulled troops?

west silo Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yep

craggy sierra Dec 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Regret’s death was literally orchestrated by him to usurp the elites with brutes and we just happened to be in the neighbourhood to do it for him.