Hm?
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
west silo
Sad
Am still disappointed that no one even mentions the sentinels like it didn't even happen
gilded mason
You know the true reason
west silo
It was all a dream?
gilded mason
||neural physics||
cedar surge
Perhaps they will become a important plot point in a future thing?
slim thorn
I think Spartan Ops already mentioned something, like "We're just like monkeys."
Especially during the level where the eggheads gone missing.
west silo
Wasn't that just Glassman being Glassman
He's not wrong
But he's also the guy that thought poking a weird forerunner object with a stick would make it work
vague scroll
just about every scientist in the Halo series has amounted to "let me press that button"
Halsey, Anders, Glassman
cedar surge
We are really lucky they havnt been on any halo rings
vague scroll
Anders has
west silo
What's funny in Spartan ops is that halsey did the exact same thing Glassman did
Why did she get through again ?
Because shes a reclamier
Also how did they get halsey to requiem so fast ?
paper reef
Ok Im pretty new to Halo lore but is the planet in the back of the halo 3 legendary ending requiem?
cedar surge
Pretty sure it is
vague scroll
it is in fact Requiem
jolly furnace
I think Bungie had planned it to be onyx back when they were considering doing Halo 4
But now its requiem under 343
craggy sierra
I don’t think Bungie planned anything at all.
limpid meadow
From what I recall, ideas around Halo 4 weren't really fleshed out. I think it was Paul Russell who said something like, the ideas for Halo 4 and Reach were floated, and the studio decided on Reach.
If I recall too, Halo 4 early on was codenamed "Onyx" or something like that, but I don't think the Shield World in Halo 3 or 4 was ever going to be Onyx. Unless another "Halo Reach" situation was going to happen, that planet could never have been Onyx.
vague scroll
@craggy sierra there was some early concept work and discussion during the consideration for Reach to instead carry on with a Halo 4 game but it was shut down early in development
west silo
If that was onyx the planet wouldn't have been a sphere
Unless bungie was planning on ignoring the book which wouldn't be surprising at all
last anchor
They did it with Reach, more or less. We made the timeline work but...well.
I still find it funny they ignored the timeline for Reach, more or less, yet happily nabbed the S-IIIs.
vague scroll
based on some of the higher up accounts over the years, sounds like there were more than a few people that were worried/wanted to address the lore and others that were comfortable setting aside the history of TFoR
carmine sleet
If I recall, that was an issue inside Bungie all the way back on Halo 2 regarding having ODSTs appear in the game
cedar surge
Wasn't odsts originally marines with green glasses
I'm glad they got their own design
stable flower
I always considered Reach to be Bungie's Halo 4.
craggy sierra
You don’t normally subsequently number prequels
young bolt
Wasn’t the second Five Nights at Freddy’s a prequel?
vague bronze
Wasn’t the second Five Nights at Freddy’s a prequel?
It's the same with RDR2
silk ermine
What if one of the spartan 2's had anger management issues
gilded mason
Think we got that with Black Team. Wasn't much of a fan.
silk ermine
Lmao
west silo
Less anger issues and more just issues
Spartan love triangle ahoy
Who doesn't want that?
stable flower
I wonder if anyone knew about Halsey kidnapping kids and tried to blackmail her.
echo jay
Towards the end of the war, knowledge of the Spartan-II program was getting out there
After the war ONI basically said "screw you" and she was brandished as a war criminal
slim thorn
and then with Cortana threat rising, ONI can't get rid of her
Since Halsey is one of the key person to defeat her
If ONI did kill her, Cortana is certain to win
coarse trail
Unless they make another flash clone of Halsey's brain
To make another "Cortana"
Mendicant Bias vs Offensive Bias - kinda stuff
slim thorn
I think it's already happening
Halsey as Offensive Bias and Cortana as Mendicant Bias?
coarse trail
Halsey ain't an AI though
No matter how smart an organic can be, synthetics will always be faster and smarter
Besides, she's already old - way past her prime
humble yacht
Biologically speaking, current halsey’s dna would be in worse condition than when she made cortana, so any new clones would probably be worse off
And thus produce weaker AI
craggy sierra
Aging man, it sucks
slim thorn
The dev even jokes about Cutter de-aging
humble yacht
Aging man, it sucks
I don't know, when you think about the alternative beyond the surface level benefits, getting old and dying may be the better option
slim thorn
Somehow Halsey want to close her book with a good one
visual fox
Biologically speaking, current halsey’s dna would be in worse condition than whe...
Well technically since smart AI are just copies of smart peoples brains basically if she used the same Brain she used for Cortana let’s say she made a copy of her brain couldn’t she make another AI on the same level as Cortana?
jolly furnace
I wonder if a new AI made from Halsey's cloned brain will be as capable as Cortana or avoid deterioration given the law of diminishing returns. I assume a 1st generation cloned brain would be just as good as the original brain. I think the deterioration only comes in when keep making copies of copies of copies.
humble yacht
well, there is always a little bit of cellular damage during a freeze-thaw cycle
that's why you want to limit your freeze-thaw cycles to as few as possible
iirc, halsey used the best cloned brain she had out of 20 trials to make cortana, and there was only 1 other successful clone brain but it may not have been as good a sample
jolly furnace
Well who knows
I think serious deterioration only comes from many copies being made from copies
but if the 1st gen clones have issues
then any copies of those clones will have even worse issues
humble yacht
nobody is likely to clone a clone
silk citrus
You havent seen my Github then.
jolly furnace
nobody is likely to clone a clone
The Asgard of Stargate say hi
jolly furnace
Whats rule3?
humble yacht
don't tag admins/mods unless there is an issue
humble yacht
you can disable the ping when replying to someone
jolly furnace
I dunno how
humble yacht
I was reply to ur comment. How else am I supposed to.
By clicking the "@ ON" to "@ OFF"
humble yacht
pinging is when you @ someone
jolly furnace
Well I used reply on ur comment. Not @
jolly furnace
pinging is when you @ someone
Oh i see it
jolly furnace
i see it
humble yacht
you can turn off the @ in the reply
jolly furnace
Got it
tulip maple
Yo, real quick im not so caught up on my Halo lore, but whats the deal with 343 Guilty Spark?
cedar surge
You mean after he dead,or why is crazy, or who he is?
slim thorn
Yo, real quick im not so caught up on my Halo lore, but whats the deal with 343 ...
You mean about 343 Guilty Spark?
tulip maple
yes
I mean
How did he become guilty spark, and who was he before becomeing a floating soccerball
humble yacht
A human named Chakas
he had a very long and perilous journey involved with the Forerunners that eventually led him to being turned into the floating lightbulb we all know and love/hate
tulip maple
huh
gilded mason
Basically:
He's formerly a human named Chakas. After his body was ruined by Mendicant Bias, a last ditch effort to save him was made by transferring his mind to a monitor shell. His personality was then compartmentalized, with 343 Guilty Spark overtaking much of his former self.
His original personality has since re-asserted itself.
tulip maple
wow, that is, interesting, and where is this learned, in Halo 4 or the comic books/books?
gilded mason
The Forerunner Trilogy and then Renegades.
Point of Light will be the next chapter in his story when it comes out.
tulip maple
Cool, thanks
silk ermine
it really sucks that the didact was killed in the books and not in halo 4
because the books that tell that story are really cool
finding spartan team black dead
and that stuff
echo jay
Black team 😔
The didact actually died? I thought he was imprisoned again but in a different way
versed helm
how protected were the ODPs on reach?
cedar surge
Books you mean comics
And they were pretty well protected
By other space platforms
And 100+ unsc ships
Not mentioning the troops on the ground defending the generators
300 million
terse lava
Pity they all failed
Then again we see Covenant ships jump straight into the formations as well
cedar surge
It was a all out brawl in space and on the ground
stable flower
it really sucks that the didact was killed in the books and not in halo 4
That's what I say. To this day, I still don't understand why they didn't just make an expansion pack.
silk ermine
yeah
cedar surge
Well Spartan ops wasn't received that well I think
west silo
Wasn't the missions in Spartan ops super boring or tedious?
And didn't you have to wait an entire week for a new mission?
The cutscenes are the only light in that tunnel
stable flower
Yeah. Kill all enemies, go to extraction point, end mission. Occasionally, there's some variety with objectives, but that's about it.
west silo
No wonder people weren't really a fan of it
I don't think the escalations didact story would really work as a game
Its too short and would basically be you and blue team getting your butts kicked by the didact until the final encounter
Which ends with you just standing there
modest moss
idk if this is the right channel for this, but does anyone know if there's a nice collection of the halo books?
like as one big collection
where the books are all the same size for example
cedar surge
Like a group of books like trilogies?
vague scroll
no, there's no book bundles for the Halo series sadly - given we have over 30 books now @modest moss
versed helm
It depends which series you want to get
stable flower
Does the UNSC have doctrines for combating Forerunner constructs?
candid pecan
not exactly to my knowledge
there were some tactics created aboard infinity during the conflict on requiem following the didacts defeat, but none were ever officially made as a part of the unsc doctrine
i could be wrong tho so idk
candid pecan
idk if this is the right channel for this, but does anyone know if there's a nic...
i believe they used to sell some of the older books together like fall of reach cole protocol harvest, etc
not sure about now
and im pretty sure that the newer ones like bad blood the forerunner saga do not come in bundles
i could be wrong
it rlly depends on the seller
if its like barnes and noble or whatever, unlikely unless they still do sell the og bundle
maybe ebay and you could get some either related or unrelated books together depending on the seller
candid pecan
where the books are all the same size for example
if you were just looking for related books, not bundles, then youre in luck
i think all the ogs were related but im not sure about them
books like the forerunner saga, bad blood and new blood, and the books with the subtitle "a master chief story" are usually related or in the same series
modest moss
i just thought there was maybe like a collectors bundle where the books have special matching art for example with the logo at the same place etc.
Something like a special edition
I wanted to display the books in a nice dedicated shelf
ivory valve
what's the order that i should read the books in?
versed helm
I suggest start with the fall of reach and go down from there
candid pecan
yeah
if you want chronology the forerunner saga but those are complex and fall of reach is better
rn i would say fall of reach, the flood, first strike, the cole protocol, and contact harvest
after that you can read in any order (unless its a trilogy read those consecutively and in order)
ivory valve
yeah i like the forerunner saga
but thanks for giving me an order to read em in
i've only read the forerunner saga and the flood
versed helm
I mean the master chief story is good
signal osprey
I think that the history of the precursors should be further explored to know interesting things that would enrich the universe of halo, such as knowing how they reached that position if they had been the first in the mantle of responsibility or if they had had other conflicts with other species apart from the forruners
cedar surge
The thing is that
They should remain a mystery
The mystery which used to be the forerunners is now the precursors
craggy sierra
I think the precursors kinda do the opposite tbh
They throw the scale of everything out of wack on account of them being canonized god
And to something on that scale you lose all sense of interpersonal relatability that’s key to making a story since they pretty much made our entire existence as a hobby
Like the precursors is basically the universe standing up and going “human, aliens, halo rings, all of it means nothing to this master race pulling all the strings. We’re just a blip in the cosmos”
And that’s boring
cedar surge
Well yea you have a point
versed helm
why do ODST's hate spartans?
Because the ODST companies are used to being the top dogs, and the Spartans came and stole all their glory. Due to their augmentation and armor, they feel like they are cheated out of their former position. @versed helm
slim thorn
The feud starts when ODST bully John several weeks after augmentation.
I think it's been told during Halo: The Fall of Reach which recap the episodes about John-117's childhood.
versed helm
Plus ODST said that the Spartans aren’t real soldiers, they’re just freaks
uncut kernel
Janatorial corps.
cedar surge
I can still hear his non existent voice
slim thorn
Well, because we got no one to listen to "Twin Couple" rants
versed helm
Don’t you dare say Palmer in here after what she said to chief lol
stable flower
The feud starts when ODST bully John several weeks after augmentation.
Is that when John beats up and kills four ODSTs in Helljumper?
jolly furnace
Like the precursors is basically the universe standing up and going “human, alie...
How can we relate to such beings though? From what we know they've this position of godhood for billions of years. We can barely relate to life from 20/30 to 100 years ago nevermind billions of years ago,
craggy sierra
How can we relate to such beings though? From what we know they've this position...
That's kind of my point
You can't
jolly furnace
As far as we can tell the Precursors came up with the concept. They may have evolved in a different universe or higher reality from the looks of it
Assuming they haven't always been around.
craggy sierra
You'd essentially be writing a story about someone sitting down to play the sims but from the perspective of the sims themselves
jolly furnace
It could very well be that they just "are".
Well Halo is now in the Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror section
craggy sierra
Halo has elements of that but it's hardly about that
jolly furnace
I don't think the Precursors should be explained or brought up beyond vague mentions in a mythological context
or via legends or stories from Forerunners, Ancient humans and ancient san'shyuum POVs
craggy sierra
You'd literally be writing a story that says "everything you've experienced in the last 20 years of the franchise has virtually no meaning within its universe."
jolly furnace
I think their mystery should be preserverd
craggy sierra
It's not even about preserving their mystery. Like, tbh, I'd rather they just didn't exist at all in the canon.
Cause like I said, it throws the scale of everything out of wack.
jolly furnace
It's not even about preserving their mystery. Like, tbh, I'd rather they just di...
Well they've been there since H3. They've take up the spot the Forerunners had. The difference is these guys have an arguably legitimate claim to godhood. They are more for the lore background.
craggy sierra
And that's fine to a degree. But that means keep them to the background. Their story's over and done.
jolly furnace
I'm cool with em but I don't wanna see MC gunning down legit non-Flood Precursors in a game
versed helm
I don’t mind them being cannon
jolly furnace
Because that'd be dumb
I'd love to see Silentium level FLood return and i assume thats were its going but the issue is they break the modern setting utterly
You'd have to nerf the utter hell out of it to make it possible for modern Halo to win
craggy sierra
If anything all signs point to the flood not coming back into the series for a long time
At least in no deeper capacity than HW2's DLC
jolly furnace
I expect them back by 2030s
craggy sierra
What would you even do with them?
jolly furnace
If we are to get the level of Flood then maybe do it in a prequel
with Forerunners and AH
jolly furnace
What would you even do with them?
I wanna at least see how they'd look in a new game engine
craggy sierra
That's one thing
But narratively
What would you do with them?
They can't win cause that would mean the universe ends
jolly furnace
The only thing you can do with em is the whole test for the Mantle
craggy sierra
And in terms of beating them, we've already done that how many times?
The thing is that the series is currently in the middle of deconstructing the mantle and exploring why it's a really bad idea
So that's not happening
jolly furnace
And in terms of beating them, we've already done that how many times?
It is but that test is probably still coming
craggy sierra
Also what is this "test"
jolly furnace
The Librarian in 4 was setting up preparing humanity for that
craggy sierra
Is the test just the flood waging war on us and trying to consume all life?
Cause like
They've already done that
Because that's all the flood can do
jolly furnace
Also what is this "test"
Presumably unite the galaxy or known species and defeat the FLood when its at its height of power.
Cos the Flood we now know has been holding back its might
craggy sierra
But that's a contradiction to the mantle's premise which is all other races under a single ruler. Not as equal peers.
slim thorn
Is that when John beats up and kills four ODSTs in Helljumper?
Kills two and wound around... three I think? It happens on the gym when John is trying his augmentation strength and the ODSTs came to bully him, I think
jolly furnace
But that's a contradiction to the mantle's premise which is all other races unde...
Maybe the idea is to reject it.
craggy sierra
Yes
And Cortana's the narrative tool through which the series is using to approach that premise
jolly furnace
Ultimately I think it doesn't matter, I think any alliance of species is doomed to fail in the long term.
I'm cynical i guess
jolly furnace
And Cortana's the narrative tool through which the series is using to approach t...
I don't think I;ll ever like the Created angle
regardless of the intent behind it.
craggy sierra
The issue is that this "test" is just going to be the flood doing the exact same thing they were doing before. Trying to consume all life.
jolly furnace
Which i still think is partially microsoft's doing
craggy sierra
And that's the issue with the flood. They are a narrative dead end in every sense of the word
jolly furnace
The issue is that this "test" is just going to be the flood doing the exact same...
Well it seem they are the endgame of modern Halo
craggy sierra
How?
craggy sierra
The games haven't touched them in a decade outside of one nostalgia bait DLC that can be summarized as "we have to stop the flood" and then they stop the flood.
jolly furnace
They ain't gonna have Primy prophecize Armageddon and do nothing with it
We shall know more in 10 years
craggy sierra
FS?
jolly furnace
They've given themselves a 10 year thing with this Infinite expansions thing
craggy sierra
So like the issue is that
The flood really don't get a say in their own return
Their return is predicated on someone being stupid at a forerunner installation that has flood on it
And then waiting long enough for it to form a gravemind from wildlife
jolly furnace
Their return is predicated on someone being stupid at a forerunner installation ...
Their return was predicted by one of their own.
They are one.
Flood and Precursors
stable flower
Or an accident occurring and a monitor being too lazy to clean it up.
jolly furnace
Or an accident occurring and a monitor being too lazy to clean it up.
U assume there aren;t more outside the MWG
craggy sierra
Or an accident occurring and a monitor being too lazy to clean it up.
I count that as being stupid
stable flower
I'm talking about Delta Halo
jolly furnace
I'm talking about Delta Halo
It wouldn;t havent elsewhere if not there
craggy sierra
See ultimately I don't know what they could do with the flood's return
jolly furnace
They still havent fully explained what happpened there exactly
craggy sierra
Cause it's a battle we canonically cannot win
jolly furnace
See ultimately I don't know what they could do with the flood's return
We;ll see what 343 have planned
craggy sierra
If you're going to advocate for the return of something you should at least have an idea about how that's going to play out
jolly furnace
Sadly I don't
but i want them back
that's just me
But even i know its not logically possible to beat them
craggy sierra
Don't just say "they should do a thing" and then give zero ideas about how to do the thing.
slim thorn
See ultimately I don't know what they could do with the flood's return
and it's like all faction must band together to repel them
jolly furnace
I can't help that
jolly furnace
and it's like all faction must band together to repel them
That is the likely route
craggy sierra
and it's like all faction must band together to repel them
All factions in the galaxy can't even beat the forerunners tech right now, and the forerunners lost to the flood.
slim thorn
For Cortana case, I think she will hit a dilema for that
jolly furnace
What I what most in Halo is prequel eras
slim thorn
Either she will forsake her partner, or to join him
jolly furnace
I'd love interplanetary war
slim thorn
When Chief is making his stand against the Flood
jolly furnace
Or Insurection
slim thorn
With or without her
jolly furnace
Or Forerunner-Flood war or Human-forerunner war
craggy sierra
Oh we're probably just putting Cortana down in Infinite
slim thorn
I prefer everyone will be banding together regardless the faction you are
jolly furnace
With or without her
I think Cortana is done by one of Infinite's expansions endings
slim thorn
and putting an end to the Flood Invasion once and for all
craggy sierra
No I'm pretty sure Cortana's gonna be gone by the end of the base campaign
slim thorn
and I prefer John takes the Mantle and destroy it
jolly furnace
Its not a thing you can destory
craggy sierra
and I prefer John takes the Mantle and destroy it
The mantle isn't a thing
slim thorn
It have to be John to carry it for safekeeping
jolly furnace
Heck others in another galaxy could be doing it right now
craggy sierra
More to the point. no one besides Cortana and Halsey probably even have a concept of the mantle in the current setting
jolly furnace
It have to be John to carry it for safekeeping
Until he's what? dead? Again its not a thing. Its a concept. Metaphysical
craggy sierra
It have to be John to carry it for safekeeping
IT'S NOT A THING
jolly furnace
More to the point. no one besides Cortana and Halsey probably even have a concep...
Monitors, that Builder, Didact, MC. Librarian
craggy sierra
I meant characters that are likely to impact the story
jolly furnace
I'll be honest when they first brought out HCE Anniversary and its terminals i had forerunners pegged for a return in flesh and blood
but then i realized they'd be OP
craggy sierra
But my other key complaint about all this lore, mantle, and flood stuff is that it completely bypasses the character element of story telling in Halo.
jolly furnace
We can't realitistically fight them either
jolly furnace
I meant characters that are likely to impact the story
The Builder may and Didact down the line
craggy sierra
It's like people aren't interested in stories in Halo actually having good characters but instead just want a bullet list of neat lore tidbits.
And I think I blame youtubers for that
jolly furnace
Amusingly I think Javik of ME and SW Legends Thrawn would be all for the Mantle and 1 central government ruling all species
We know how JAVIK's race fared
jolly furnace
It's like people aren't interested in stories in Halo actually having good chara...
We can have both
craggy sierra
Except not really when you have concepts like precursors floating around and a new apocalypse literally every other week it gives the setting little to no time to actually explore characters that well. And if you do write about stuff like 100,000 year old prophecies of galactic dictatorship that no characters in the current setting know or even really care about they end up getting alienated from their own universe. As Halo gets bigger and more apocalyptic with bigger and bigger stakes every week linking back to stuff that happened 100,000 years ago the characters seem less and less important the more it goes on for.
So if anything I think halo needs to not only stay away from the flood but dial its scale and stakes in major time to actually give the universe more time to breathe outside of the extended universe material.
jolly furnace
Except not really when you have concepts like precursors floating around and a n...
That won't be for a while. But its coming eventually
Maybe by then humanity and co will be a higher tech tier
and the Flood will scale themselves to the enemy for testing purposes
a sense of fair play
Or just to play with their food
cos sadism
craggy sierra
Like it's kinda hard to care about Rion Forge making ends meet as an outer galaxy scrap salvager when an apparently omniscient space zombie parasite ThAt UsEd tO bE GoD is plotting to consume all life in the galaxy because some other aliens from 100,000 years ago killed it.
jolly furnace
Actually there's an issue with them going to full on tier 2 or 1. Loss of familiarity that I don't think all players will like
Many won't like the loss of projectile weapons
and stuff
jolly furnace
Like it's kinda hard to care about Rion Forge making ends meet as an outer galax...
I still care for her
I don't expect the Precursor plot to be for a good while
craggy sierra
So do I but what will it all matter for when everything in the universe goes full apocalypse
jolly furnace
Like probably by 2040 we get Halo's end
modern wise anyway
i don't think MC will be around by 2030
I think Steve will hang up by then
jolly furnace
So do I but what will it all matter for when everything in the universe goes ful...
Just a galaxy. We won't get to cosmic level
That's a bad timeline were we lost
craggy sierra
The series has barely even touched on post war politics and consequences yet and you're already looking towards its end at the hands of a space zombie apocalypse
jolly furnace
The series has barely even touched on post war politics and consequences yet and...
I do think that could have better handled
craggy sierra
It's barely started even being handled yet
And after the created are settled away there's so much more that can be done with that
jolly furnace
Well you can argue 343i didn't wanna do all that and just get humanity back to a good spot
after war
military wise
Most of this stuff stays out of games cos most players don't want that
they wanna shoot aliens
and have fun in MP
Hence it goes in EU
with references here and there in games
craggy sierra
Halo 2 and 4 say otherwise.
jolly furnace
Yah and how many people got EU references back then in them
I did in 4 cos I read the FS books
I didn't even know Halo had books back in H2 release days
Bungie payed lipservice to the EU
from what I've gathered from others
craggy sierra
Even without the books at the time I liked 4 for giving a much more grounded approach to chief and Cortana's characters and bringing them into a focal point of the story telling. Which again, is something that you kinda lose when dealing with galaxy ending stakes every week.
jolly furnace
Even without the books at the time I liked 4 for giving a much more grounded app...
I did love their story in 4. My favorite campaign
For all we know the Flood threat won';t even be dealt with in games
Heck MC could be dead by then
They could do it in books for all we know
As much as I love to see a Star Road in game, it'd be impossible to even dent.
Also it may be too big for the game to render
craggy sierra
A lot of stuff points to them kinda just trying to sweep the flood away in the EU
Like the UNSC has just cleared out all known installations of flood containments with Spartan 4 squads
jolly furnace
Oh I;m expecting that to be retconned in Infinite
craggy sierra
That's a pretty recent thing
craggy sierra
Not so effective?
jolly furnace
they missed some
craggy sierra
I mean all the flood would do in Infinite is ruin the story line and turn it into a CE rehash so I don't see it happening
ocean ibex
All of the precursor theories are just to get your hopes up about the flood, they’re all bs
cedar surge
Any time the flood appears the plot becomes about stopping/killing them
Most of the time
craggy sierra
That's because if it didn't every character would be written off as an idiot for not putting a zombie apocalypse on the top of their priority list
jolly furnace
I think Mendicant Bias has more a chance then Flood being in Infinite even though he realy shouldn't be on that ring.
cedar surge
Yea in HW the entire fleet of forerunner ships the covenant were trying to capture was slightly more important at the time
craggy sierra
Infinite becoming about just stopping the flood...AGAIN is the least interesting story that game can possibly tell.
cedar surge
Didbt he pass away in 3
ocean ibex
It was way more important
cedar surge
Also
jolly furnace
Didbt he pass away in 3
Not nessecarily He assumed he would
cedar surge
3 games was already about stopping the flood
jolly furnace
He could have a fragment around
cedar surge
3 was where the flood was defeated
jolly furnace
3 was where the flood was defeated
Like a river I ebb and flow - Gravemind
craggy sierra
If he does have a fragment then what even's the point? He's not going to have any knowledge of what happened on the ark or his own redemption
jolly furnace
If he does have a fragment then what even's the point? He's not going to have an...
Like I said he shouldn;'t; be there as the Forerunners would not live it there and risk it taking the ring over.. again
jolly furnace
The end of 3 threw a rock in that river
HW2 washed away that rock
Oh u said that
nevermind
jolly furnace
Point is all signs point to a Flood return en masse down the line
cedar surge
Maybe the flood should have been a bit more known
Since they were the rock thrown through the covenants window
And caused their downfall
jolly furnace
Its only a matter of when
cedar surge
Like how could you not know the flood
jolly furnace
Yah didn't some Banished not know of em
slim thorn
Atriox lack of knowledge about the Flood
jolly furnace
Like huh?
cedar surge
Like the tragedy of the fall of high charity
slim thorn
But he was aware the threat of it
craggy sierra
The UNSC literally has PSAs about the flood
slim thorn
SoF already have knowledge about it
cedar surge
That's the covenant capital
slim thorn
So most likely they abandon the bases
cedar surge
The most holy of sites
slim thorn
Before the Flood arrives
cedar surge
How would you not know what went down there
slim thorn
You mean Cutter may not know what happens around High Charity?
cedar surge
Like Pavium and voridus thought they were tales
cedar surge
I'm talking about the banished
slim thorn
Oh, the Banished
slim thorn
Atriox doesn't know it much, but he knows the threat
slim thorn
Even ordering Voridus to stay out from it from the beginning
Most likely the intel about the Flood was circulated on a very limited scale
cedar surge
But how could you not know how the covenant capital got taken over by flood
How did they think HC ended up there
craggy sierra
Atriox has literally fought the flood. ATN shows that the Banished clearly know what the flood are immediately upon seeing them.
slim thorn
The problem is where did they get that info?
Between the first encounter to end of Human-Covenant War is like three months
cedar surge
I think it was voridus who thought the flood were just tales of covenant propaganda
slim thorn
The information circulation should be limited
craggy sierra
The flood are probably common knowledge across the galaxy by the time he left
Like I said the UNSC literally has PSAs about the flood
cedar surge
And thus blew a hole in the containment feild
craggy sierra
They are public knowledge
slim thorn
SoF already knew it before UNSC encounters it
Principally, the first intel about the Flood reaches UNSC after Battle of Installation 04
craggy sierra
And I'm sure every race that lived to tell the tale of High Charity spread word of the flood as well
slim thorn
Unless they want to keep it secret
cedar surge
Very few
slim thorn
Like San'Shyuum
cedar surge
Would have survived HC
Certain prophets
Not all
Also so many prophets are fleeing when new covenant remnants are springing up who still believe in the great journey need a leader
west silo
The San shyuum are probably a few thousand away from extinction now
terse lava
The Covenant as a civilization were aware of the Flood. Certain religious leaders saw the parasite as one of the many hurtles to pass before the start of the Great Journey. Even humble unggoy deacons were aware of the Flood from stories about Mendicant Bias
west silo
Craig is best brute
clever cape
Craig is the best know to man
Craig is love and Craig is life. Be like him and you will have inner peace
terse lava
Most, yes, others traveled with fleets, or acted as governors of worlds. @west silo
west silo
So most likely the majority of those on high charity died
And only a few probably escaped
And isn't there an elite hunting prophets?
Man the San shyuum are as good as dead sadly
Well maybe if there homeworld isn't destroyed as they've lead everyone to believe
terse lava
it was at first thought after High Charity fell, less then 1000 or so San 'Shyuum were left in the galaxy. It is now known that during the battle around the covenant capital, multiple loyalist ships docked with the city-station to save the San 'Shyuum civilans. These ships eventually created an "exile fleet" with likely thousands of San 'Shyuum alive. Also yes, Rtas 'Vadumee is currently looking for this fleet to find those guilty of the crimes during the war and the schism, and those who are innocnet
west silo
If they could
Wouldn't they already have done it?
Plus it was done to them by the forerunners they're forever doomed
terse lava
I believe that part is only theory, no concrete proof. We see in Broken Circle that the Stoic San 'Shyuum are still quite fit
west silo
Nah it was in the forerunner saga
Cryptum
The builders did it to spite them even tho they surrendered
After also confining there once interstellar empire to only there home system
The forerunners were jerks
terse lava
no, the Forerunners simply contained them to their homeworld and another planet
Besides, such a task would have been for the Lifeworkers, not the Builders
west silo
The builders made them do it
They're the highest rank
Plus if not the forerunners fault then why do the San shyuum look so ugly and old
And humans would sleep with the peak San shyuum so something obviously went wrong
terse lava
Because during the San 'Shyuum civil war, known as the War of Wills, a group of only 1000 Reformist San 'Shyuum boarded the keyship. It was this small group who fled with the ship
west silo
I know about them
terse lava
1000 of them, over almost 5000 years, into a population of at least 23 million
west silo
But wasn't the whole thing that the whole species was made ugly by forerunners?
They sure were busy!!!
terse lava
no, nothing shows that outside of theories in-universe
eh fun fact on that, San 'Shyuum females fertility periods are actually quite rare. THIS was what was thought to be Forerunner-influence
west silo
How rare?
Weren't forerunners also rare as well like they went a 1000 or 2000 years of infertile after having kids
stable flower
The Forerunners had a lot of civil wars, right?
terse lava
correct, female Forerunners, at the very least Builder ones, has an infertile period of around 1000 years
as for civil wars, they did yes, over the millions of years they existed. Their last major one was 500,000 years before Cryptum.
west silo
The builders blew up prometheans worlds
And then sent there durances basically ghost to a ghost ship just to taunt the didact
terse lava
I don't recall them ever blowing up Warrior-Servant worlds
west silo
Its implied in a memory by the didact
In cryptum when he's corned by the builder at the durance ship
terse lava
They did send the durances of dead Prometheans though to the Deep Reverance, which was captained by the Ur-Didact's mentor
west silo
The line with no place to run
terse lava
oh, that memory from the didact was ancient human worlds being wiped out
west silo
Amd then he starts having a memory of the builder promethean war
terse lava
in revenge fro his children being killed
west silo
And entire worlds being burned
terse lava
there was no such thing
terse lava
yes..ancient human worlds
west silo
Then let's agree on that then
terse lava
close friends and family of the didact were killed during the war, enemy worlds were wiped out in revenge
west silo
So the master builder was bornsteller's dad mentor right?
terse lava
a mentor, but Born's dad did work for Faber
west silo
I think he worked on the halo
terse lava
yes, Born's dad's guild were the ones who created the halos
west silo
Was the miner family that were taking care of bornsteller ever brought up again?
I know another miner was in silentium
But she was a catalogue unit
terse lava
Nope, never heard from again, also I think that miner-turned-catalog was male
west silo
Nah it was female
Got jealous that her partner was marrying another miner and blew up the planet
versed helm
Lol she didn’t took it very well
eager willow
stable flower
Has it become a running gag how MC usually disappears whenever the UNSC goes to a Forerunner installation?
bitter brook
ok what if there was a banana in the lore some where
trim pivot
banana lore
versed helm
UNSC finds forerunner stuff
chief slips off a banana peel into background plot
versed helm
Remember this Chanel is for talking about lore and the expanding universe
jolly furnace
Plus if not the forerunners fault then why do the San shyuum look so ugly and ol...
It may be partially the Forerunners fault as some records suggest they genetically manipulated the species after the human-forerunner war resulting in its gradual genetic degradation and physical frailty
slim thorn
Frankly enough, I could wonder why the San Shyuum uses some sort of Throne rather than walk there and run there by their own.
One of the possibility is they have weak physical stamina
terse lava
They are capable of walking, most use grave-belts under their robes. We also see at the start of the War of Beginnings, they still were somewhat fit. Weak looking sure, but not as frail as the modern era ones
heck, if I recall from Shadow of Intent, it is said that out of Forerunner tech, Lifeworker devices were the hardest to learn. Thus why the prelates were so rare and the race itself wasn't cured
west silo
How old is the prophets?
cedar surge
You mean the halo 2 prophets?
slim thorn
They are capable of walking, most use grave-belts under their robes. We also see...
Well... That's still going to be a fact that they are physically weak. So, in natural strength, they can't do most of human and others can do
terse lava
Indeed, by 2552 its pretty much slim pickings genetics wise
slim thorn
In practice, humans can humiliate San'Shyuum once they are being taken as a slave.
gilded mason
What?
terse lava
Huh?
cedar surge
What
unique rune
That sure was a sequence of words
west silo
What the hell
They do be looking kinda thick tho
I think your mixing up the the UEG with the galactic empire
cedar surge
The difference is one was incompetent the entire time
cedar surge
So wait covenant and unsc territory were overlapping the entire time before the war?
The jackal homeworld was very close to earth
stable flower
Let's not forget that High Charity was first seen in a telescope.
west silo
High charity was a wild child in her youth
west silo
So wait covenant and unsc territory were overlapping the entire time before the ...
Nah only the jackel homeworld is in human territory
The closest the unsc got into covenant territory was zoist in slient storm and that was the other rim
The other was the planet in envoy
west silo
Question
In oblivion the fleet of 4000 ships what are the 20 large ship classes?
There not CAS class because it's noted that the fleet only has 200 of them
And the ships are noted as being bigger than the CAS ships
gilded mason
Denning said they're some unknown mix of CSOs and yet-unnamed other ship types.
gilded mason
They're simply bigger ships than CASs
Some might be CSOs and some might be unknown ships that are also bigger than CASs
west silo
Yikes my guess is that at least 6 of them were CSOs
I hope they at least had a more original design
gilded mason
Indeed lol
west silo
We're sure the uneven elephant isn't a CSO
gilded mason
😮
gilded mason
No idea
west silo
Sad
slim thorn
Some ship bigger than CAS was like a Brigantine or Blockade Runner that has slightly more size as far as I know.
Or possibly the Covenant are also using the "Old Hag" tech as well like Sangheili's Blockade Runner.
terse lava
The Runner was smaller then a CAS
stable flower
Were RCS-class armored cruisers in use by the Covenant?
Or were they a new model produced after the war?
terse lava
Older, ancient actually
They were in service in the 1400s to 1500s
The CCS was the later one
They were built with more armor as energy shields at the time were far more limited
jolly furnace
Covies would have ended UNSC fleets if they had used a fleet of 4000 ships
stable flower
Do Julie's Covies collect Gravity Hammers? Or did 343 just put the Gravity Hammer in 4 and 5 for gameplay reasons?
terse lava
Jiralhanae did serve in Jul's group
cedar surge
Well the unsc also seemingly had a large fleet
Including dedences
At least 2000 to 3000
terse lava
Yes but the fleet shown in Oblivion were not the total of the Covenant empire. Until like the 2-3000 of humanity
cedar surge
Yea if the unsc ever got caught in a battle like that the war is over
The whole fleet destroyed
But those 4000 ships could be used patrolling/defending covenant territory
signal osprey
someone knows how precursors turn their bodies into powder ?
versed helm
Idk 🤷🏻♂️
terse lava
Neural...
gilded mason
~Physics~
terse lava
@gilded mason 👍
slim thorn
The Runner was smaller then a CAS
Aaah wait.. I mean the Brigantine one
terse lava
Its only a little bigger then a CAS. Plus it was long transferred over to merchant fleets, and wouldn't see Frontline duty
I figure therr just exist other, largrr vessels then the CAS
versed helm
Yeah, good chance they had bigger ships
stable flower
So I take it the UNSC will deal with the Banished using the same tactics they've used against the Covenant.
gilded mason
Wait for it to implode?
terse lava
yeah when you think about it, they didn't really do..much per say. Just Chief
stable flower
I mean Banished are Covenant technically.
terse lava
yes?
carmine sleet
The Covenant fell due to in fighting, not because of anything the UNSC did. Like, sure, Chief blew up Alpha Halo and killed Regret, but that only really sped up the plans Truth had to replace the Elites
terse lava
Pretty much, nothing humanity did would have done anything
hollow sorrel
It’s not like killing Truth just deleted the thousands of covenant fleets still left
terse lava
The Coveenant was simply too advanced and large
stable flower
It’s not like killing Truth just deleted the thousands of covenant fleets still ...
No but it sent them into disarray
hollow sorrel
I know that.
obtuse crow
Which the covenant that already was falling apart sent them into disarray causing the elites to help the humans fight the brutes in halo 2 I think
ocean ibex
Interesting how the word armada is never used to describe hundreds of ships in the books
obtuse crow
Never read one of them so i wouldn't have known
stable flower
Same here
stable flower
Anyone else find it strange how Foehammer suddenly reappears in The Maw with no clue how Cortana managed to reestablish contact with her?
grand iris
How much is a suit of gen 2 MJOLNIR to gen 1 that costs as much as a UNSC destroyer?
nocturne owl
One part of halo 2 didn't make sense. When the gravemind made an alliance with Master Chief and Arbiter, why didn't he get the flood to ignore masterchief?
terse lava
Because his purpose was done. The gravemibd just wanted to gather attention away from the Flood.
carmine sleet
"Alliance" is also a generous word to use, given that Gravemind only really wanted them to find the Index and stop the ring from firing. Other than that, he didn't really care about what happened to Chief and Arby
nocturne owl
It's been established that the needler ammo is trash against even light armor if not fired multiple times. How did Chyler Silva die from a needle? If i recall correctly, she was wearing body armour?
slim thorn
It's been established that the needler ammo is trash against even light armor if...
You know Daisy-023? She even died with just two or three shot from Needler that stabs her chest. Even MJOLNIR armor can't withstand it.
grand iris
Kinda sad after Reach the needler rifle didn't make a return
west silo
Well it was a worse version of the carbine
west silo
You know Daisy-023? She even died with just two or three shot from Needler that ...
Then again in silent storm and oblivion the older versions of the armor deflect needler rounds like nothing
And legends is pretty inconsistent sometimes
west silo
The neeedler rifle was a poor mans carbine
fair hazel
I thought you said the blood of suban was a cheap needle rifle
Which I disagreed. But then saw what was written
fair hazel
The red white carbine.
ember raptor
Anyone know who soren 066 is, he got written MIA (Ref halo revolutions) but who knows if he still lives till this day cuz he is one of the most strongest spartan II ever known
neat sluice
Yeah, I still don't know what it is he stole from the UNSC before he went into hiding in that forest
Any guesses as to what was in that box he took?
cedar surge
Maybe designs for spartan armor or how to make Spartan augs?
west silo
Well he's gonna be in the halo TV show
west silo
Anyone know who soren 066 is, he got written MIA (Ref halo revolutions) but who ...
Not really he only has one appearance and his status is unknown
And he wasn't really a Spartan
He failed the augs and was crippled
And was reduced to only being able to have a desk job
Which he hated
I don't know about the strongest Spartan thing ?
unique rune
He wasn’t really crippled from what I recall, just severely deformed by the failed augmentations and unable to wear MJOLNIR. Other than that, he was still physically capable.
unique rune
Mendez told Soren that if he were to join a team of other Spartans, they would constantly be reminded of the Spartans which didn't make it through the augmentation procedures, and they would see it as their responsibility to keep him alive, thus hurting their focus and ability to perform.
From Halopedia
west silo
Just make a more costumed armor
Bruh that sounds really stupid
Spartans always focus on the mission
unique rune
I mean, it makes enough sense.
Plus his deformed hand reportedly made it hard to fire a weapon.
gilded mason
They're still human.
west silo
And now hes an innie
gilded mason
And do see other Spartans as family, so I can see why he'd be concerned about that aspect
west silo
Yeah
But it don't think it would make them lose that much focus
Wouldn't that count for every Spartan with a prostatic arm?
In fact why not give him one?
If the hand is really that huge a problem
unique rune
Wouldn't really fix his other deformities.
west silo
The other is just his really long leg
Cut it off
And get a prosthetic
Really or just clone a new one
Why was there such a huge problem anyway?
Did the author not know cloning tech or robotics tech existed?
unique rune
Or... they probably thought it wouldn't be worth it at that point.
And to my knowledge cloning entire limbs really isn't something that Halo does.
Not to mention you'd be sticking an unaugmented limb onto an otherwise augmented body...
west silo
Then robotics
Plus they did it with kat
And the armors already cost a destroyer
A few 1000 more dollars isn't that .uch more to it
neat sluice
Whenever I read about Soren, I think of him as a normal human but with one of those flood arms
All mutated
west silo
And a long leg
unique rune
Then robotics
Plus they did it with kat
Sure, but with Kat the arm was presumably completely beyond saving.
Soren's body still worked. There wasn't a need to cut off limbs that still mostly functioned fine.
west silo
But they weren't gonna use him and the field
When they needed every Spartan they could get
Plus he really wanted to become one
Isn't that the reason he joined the innies
He felt like they abandoned him and an innie mole was able to manipulate him to join them to feel accepted
unique rune
Yeah, but only after years of being stuck in a desk job that he was told would be "temporary".
west silo
That was just the pretty way for say forever
Since he was stuck there for years
I wonder how they'll handle him in the show
jolly furnace
I'd like to see Forerunner Planetary shields in action. They were a variant of Forerunner energy shielding technology that could be extended to cover entire planets to protect from stellar radiation. Sections of a planetary shield could be temporarily lowered to allow starships to pass through. Normally, a planetary shield was barely visible, but caused noticeable refraction when opening or during sunset. The homeworld of Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting was protected by a planetary shield.
cedar surge
Can't the covenant do that
west silo
I'd like to see Forerunner Planetary shields in action. They were a variant of F...
So basically star wars planetary shields
terse lava
At the moment I am unsure on if the Covenant did
west silo
A planet would just need a good power supply
We know the covenant have shields for moon sized stuff
terse lava
Indeed
frank warren
Hi
west silo
Hello
frank warren
Hru
terse lava
Greetings
west silo
So how big is the rock that makes up high charity now
Be the long part is apparently forerunners now
The spire of gods
Or something
west silo
Warfleet
west silo
Because warfleet
cedar surge
Last time I saw it didn't look any forerunner
terse lava
The spires of gifting are just docking ports. They aren't forerunner relics. Mixed in with the docking ports however are multiple weapon platforms powered by forerunner weapon cores
west silo
Okay
Forerunner weapon cores
Does that mean that high charity has genuine forerunner weapons?
terse lava
Maybe, either that or simply power systems capable of granting vastly more firepower to thr Covenant tech they are attached too
west silo
But doesn't the keyship power the entirety of high charity ?
With a few back up reactors
Wouldn't forerunner weapon core if they were power systems probably make having the keyship as a power source mot?
Since forerunner power generation is just that crazy
zenith sage
well, technically you're not wrong
it's likely that they managed to jury-rig some forerunner weapons, albeit they probably wouldn't have been at their highest potential
cedar surge
Wonder what would have the unsc done if they discovered HC a few years earlier
zenith sage
honestly they would have lost the following battle, they stood no chance against HC
west silo
Honestly the unsc only hope would be to nova bomb it
And they wouldn't get close thanks to its thanks to info from first strike
slim thorn
Red Flag was also a bold one
west silo
Debris smaller than a humans 100s of kms away from high charity is blown to bits
slim thorn
Considering you only send 1 Halcyon-class Cruiser to HC
slim thorn
If Cole was alive, he will certainly make a heavy diversion
gilded mason
Considering you only send 1 Halcyon-class Cruiser to HC
It would have been a Covenant ship.
Autumn's purpose was to disable a Covie ship to commandeer
slim thorn
It would have been a Covenant ship.
True, but considering minutes of code change update
west silo
They better hope they had the right codes
gilded mason
That's why they made Cortana.
slim thorn
But, finding it can be quite difficult
west silo
See can magically guess the right codes?
She can barely hack a covenant door
Remember TNR
slim thorn
However, it will be very beneficial to Spartans if they can capture a command ship like Ascendant Justice
Because higher authority tend to less inspection by the HC authorities
west silo
The CSO was the original target
Well improvised target
Then it got went up in slipspace
west silo
Because higher authority tend to less inspection by the HC authorities
Nah same code thing like everyone else
Plus they probably really hated thel
Except maybe regret
slim thorn
The question is at the FIrst Strike
How did they can slip a dropship into the middle of the Covenant Fleet
west silo
That wasn't high charity
It was just a very big flagship
That's destruction truth then swept under the rug
west silo
More like two squids kissing
300 covenant ships got destroyed and it was more of a loss for the unsc
cedar surge
Maybe the unsc could sneak a prowler fleet in?
west silo
They would probably be detected
cedar surge
Or just launched a mass attack with a bunch of canon fodder drones taking most of the fire for the fleet?
west silo
Remember slipspace leaves radiation
west silo
Or just launched a mass attack with a bunch of canon fodder drones taking most o...
This isn't enders game
west silo
Plus they would have to slipspace in from out of the system
cedar surge
Ah
west silo
And still a child soldier
cedar surge
So how many people did he betray
cedar surge
Wait what
west silo
Watch the movie
cedar surge
Nah
west silo
Anyways it a great movie
Sadly the other 2 books will not be adapted
Because the authors says the things in the book wouldn't be able to be adapted in a good manner
Then again the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy was adapted pretty well so who knows
neat sluice
The other two books?!? There was a book after Enders Game?!?
west silo
Yep
Xenocide
And children of the mind
Believe me if you think halo 5s plot went off the rails wait till you read those
In a good way
neat sluice
Ah yes I can't wait, I always wanted to see what happened after that open-ending
west silo
It basically becomes a coming of age story
They also go to a planet with killer plants
versed helm
Ender's saga is pretty dope
paper coyote
Yo i read new blood
Why crespo gotta betray ol man and agu like that
Sidin wit schein and stuff
slim thorn
I think you should read the part where Rookie was executed
pallid pagoda
Ya'll gotta check this out, someone pieced together all the original halo 1 storyboards and made a great animatic out of it, it even shows cut content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTYbSZ87Vzw&list=WL&index=2&t=9s
silk ermine
that is so sick bro
steep ether
does anyone know why chief was in the garage/hanger in halo reach? i kno its so people can see him but is it connected w/ lore or anything because he moves to the actual cryopod station in ce
carmine sleet
Chief being in the hangar of the Autumn isn't canon, he was conically in the pod we see him in during Combat Evolved at that time
steep ether
so he was just in the hanger so players can see him, correct?
carmine sleet
It was an Easter egg by Bungie
steep ether
im just gona asume that its not canon, tnks
fair hazel
It is not canon
steep ether
ok
west silo
Its as canon as the halo 3 novelization
cedar surge
There was a halo 3 novelization?
gilded mason
There was a halo 3 novelization?
There's not. That was the point.
sick berry
i loved this series when i was younger but i didn't understand the story and the lore
is it better to play the games then start the other media?
humble yacht
that's what i did
paper coyote
yo why mickey gotta do buck like that man
hes a trained soldier. How did he defect so easily?
gilded mason
You gotta stick it to the oppressive government at some point.
paper coyote
tell me about the spartan Is orion thing original spartans
hold up................do I smell bacon? I be right back
sick berry
that's what i did
started in chronological order?
humble yacht
i played the games in release order
sick berry
okay thank you
i would appreciate more opinion about it
i want to get into the lore and the universe
west silo
You'll understand the series with the games alone just fine
The forerunners and the inner workings of the unsc and the covenant is what the books really focus about
sick berry
so should i go with the chronological order for books and games or release date?
west silo
I would recommend reading silent storm and oblivion after reading the fall of reach
Mostly because the first two are like prequels to it
But release order
sick berry
so after finishing the games i read the first trilogy ?
versed helm
What about first strike
humble yacht
what about it?
versed helm
I was reading 117 message about reading silent storm and oblivion after the fall of reach
Me personally I like the read the book in chronological order
west silo
Yeah first strike is a prequel to halo 2
sick berry
isn't the reach trilogy chronological?
humble yacht
what reach trilogy?
west silo
Come on dude
The original books
The fall of reach
First strike
Ghost of onyx
And yes they are
carmine sleet
They're not known as the Reach trilogy
cedar surge
UNSC beat down trilogy?
humble yacht
ghosts of onyx doesn't even have major events take place on reach
it's only reach segments are flashbacks, effectively
actually i don't think any of GoO takes place on Reach
west silo
Unless flashbacks count then no
humble yacht
halopedia doesn't list reach in any of the flashbacks
west silo
Then double no
humble yacht
says that reach is only mentioned
yet you called it part of the "reach trilogy" and got all snippy when I didn't know what your personal colloquialism was referring too
thorny wren
“Fate had us meet as foes but this ring will make us brothers”
That line sent shivers down my back
Blur did a great remastering its So beautiful
obsidian thistle
yet you called it part of the "reach trilogy" and got all snippy when I didn't k...
Us on Halopedia admittedly did struggle to organize stuff regarding the books. So we essentially just grouped the initial 4 novels together and called it the "Original quadrilogy" in the Halo novels list.
That was obviously the biggest part debated lol.
west silo
4th book?
Is that the flood?
That isn't really part of the trilogy
Is it?
Its made by a different author and is just a novelization of CE
topaz wyvern
what exactly are the lore implications behind master chief being in Fortnite
craggy sierra
He got locked in a freezer
topaz wyvern
how did he get in said freezer then
obtuse portal
You see I believe that this is how he got into space in infinite
topaz wyvern
what he got locked in a freezer
nocturne owl
something is confusing. Were the flood originally the precursors?
obtuse portal
what he got locked in a freezer
No cus he got shot by a rocket launcher in FortNite and got blasted into the atmosphere
obtuse portal
Or he got shot at by a rocket and accidentally rocket rode it into the sunset
So like where is Atriox in the infinite trailer
zenith sage
something is confusing. Were the flood originally the precursors?
No. The Flood was originally a strange powdery substance left behind by the Precursors alongside the Primordial (the last remaining Precursor) which later became the first Gravemind after it transferred its memories into the Flood hivemind before its death via time acceleration bubble
This took place during the time of the Forerunners
unreal nebula
Atriox is on the ark i think
obtuse portal
No. The Flood was originally a strange powdery substance left behind by the Prec...
and that’s what killed the forerunners I believe
zenith sage
No. The Halo Array is what killed the Forerunners
nocturne owl
So now the primordial is now the gravemind?
obtuse portal
Atriox is on the ark i think
Ok thanks I’m playing through Halo Wars 2 for the first time
zenith sage
Yes
unreal nebula
I suck at RTS games
zenith sage
the gravemind is the Primordial essentially
obtuse portal
No. The Halo Array is what killed the Forerunners
Yeah but they only activated it because of the flood
unreal nebula
So I need to actually get around to playing Halo Wars 1-2
zenith sage
correct
the Flood drove them to creating the array, but we all know what it does after being fired, which led to their death
obtuse portal
So I need to actually get around to playing Halo Wars 1-2
I’ve never played an RTS and I love Halo Wars 2 so far
nocturne owl
doesn't explain why the gravemind is still bent on eliminating humans
unreal nebula
Ah ok
obtuse portal
To my knowledge everything
zenith sage
until nothing is remaining, only the Flood
nocturne owl
He was a precursor. and as far as we all know precursors named humans as successors
zenith sage
No?
The Forerunners named them Reclaimers
the ones who would take up the Mantle of Responsibility
obtuse portal
Halo lore is so confusing thank God I’ve been a fan for so long
zenith sage
after of course, the Forerunners claimed the Mantle for themselves and killed the Precursors
nocturne owl
i mean humans were chosen by precursors
zenith sage
Were they though?
zenith sage
The entire reason the Flood exists is because the Forerunners killed them all. It was meant to be their last act in the galaxy, their ultimate revenge
yes the Forerunners chose them
obtuse portal
Ah ok thank you
zenith sage
that is why humanity is able to interact with all Forerunner technology with no problems
anyways, im in the middle of a game. seeya guys
obtuse portal
See ya I’m probably going to bed too it’s late where I live
fair hazel
Not killed them all.
craggy sierra
Atriox is on the ark i think
Not anymore
unreal nebula
is he in fortnite now
stable flower
So the Ark has portals to Reach now?
terse lava
The ark had portals to multiple worlds
uncut kernel
I am the janitor of the forerunner installations
west silo
Wasn't there a portal to the ark that Faber made bornsteller and crew go through to get there?
I think that's hint enough that there may have been multiple portals
paper coyote
Wasnt one of the arks like 127, 280 km? Isnt that like more than 30 earths all lined up together? There was more than one ark right?
nocturne owl
I wonder how spartan's eat, drink or stay clean if they are seen always wearing their armour.
gilded mason
They can remove their helmet fairly easily
nocturne owl
fine, but how do they keep clean? I mean fighting is a tiring thing, they must be sweating
in other words how do they keep sanitary.
gilded mason
I guess the suit lining does something to suck up the sweat, I assume
west silo
I don't think the Spartans care about smell
And they're sometimes on missions for weeks to months so eh
nocturne owl
but what about other sanitary issues like diseases that can be contracted? e.g. trench foot?
west silo
It probably has some sanitation system
fringe sapphire
They probably do take off their armour, but we don't see it
stable flower
Did Halsey ever get the thing Cal gave to O'Brien in The Babysitter?
versed helm
quick question, we know that cybernetic limbs were a possibility at the time shown by Kat (and i think they can be even better considering it's 5 centuries into the future). so why were cybernetic limbs that could arguably keep pace with an unarmoured spartan so rare?