she greenlit the SPARTAN-II kidnappings
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
I read it as "you have to be kind of a joke"
west silo
Dare is a jerk
gilded mason
Though she's lower rank, so not as awful
west silo
I really don't like her
vague scroll
@gilded mason Dare's certainly a outlier
stable flower
It was teh only way to save da galaxy from innies
west silo
I'd even count Palmer
south mantle
Oh no Sully's quote had a swear word in it...ugh
my first warning, swearing by proxy
gilded mason
lmao
west silo
Shame
scarlet topaz
Without halsey we would not have halo <3
vague scroll
or more like the UNSC created the Insurrection itself by following a self-fulfilling prophecy called the "Carver Findings"
south mantle
I shall wear sackcloth and ashes to repent
vague scroll
a document that was paid and developed by the UNSC to tell the UNSC that war with the Outer Colonies was the only way to stay united
scarlet topaz
Precursers you mean
vague scroll
they created their own Insurrection
west silo
The oni is really stupid
stable flower
Don't forget going all USSR and nuking a colony to put down a rebellion.
west silo
Remember the whole killing our only allies plan?
vague scroll
Far Isle was the battle plan they chose to use after studying the Carver Findings
stable flower
Nevermind the dozens of innocent people on that colony who had nothing to do with the rebellion
south mantle
"You may get latitude out there in the shadows, but for those of us—in our 'glass towers'—it's not that easy. Pushed back by our employer looks a little different when you have surveillance up your (redacted) 24/7. We couldn't just let him air all of our dirty laundry. Then what? Positive change? Open dialogue? No! The public cannot digest real horror!" This quote shows that his traumatization from the school's invasion had changed him into believing people couldn't handle the truth, since he certainly couldn't.
west silo
Oor the give our enemies free weapons plan?
south mantle
There, redacted. phew
gilded mason
Remember that part in Cole Protocol where the UNSC sided with the oppressive corporation over the victimized colonists?
stable flower
Oh yeah, ONI starting a proxy war on Sanghelios.
vague scroll
they chose a desolate abandoned glassed colony to do the weapons exchange, it wasn't broad daylight - there was nobody there @west silo
stable flower
"Thank you guys for helping us win teh war. JK WE STILL HATE YOU HERE'S SOME GUNZ KILL EACH OTHER!!!!111"
stable flower
I'm assuming there were innocent civilians on the colony
cedar surge
Also that seems like a good way to give your enemt guns to kill you
gilded mason
Somehow I think that number is a bit bigger than "a few dozen"
vague scroll
as paraphrased from Karen Traviss, author of the Kilo-5 trilogy, "I took inspiration from the modern wars I covered as a war journalist"
certainly referencing dirty historic deals like the Iran-Contra affair among others
cedar surge
Oh
stable flower
I used the wrong term.
vague scroll
paying and equipping both your enemies to fight and kill each other instead of you is far from a new concept
even if you were their ally at one point
the USSR and the Western governments only took a couple years to start the Cold War after defeating the Axis Powers
gilded mason
Though it's definitely portrayed positively, and with a whole lotta fans foaming at the mouth for it, as well
stable flower
There was probably only a quarter of Far Isle's population that rebelled.
vague scroll
quarter is a rather large number in its own right, doesn't sound practical
you might have sympathizers but open rebellion is a whole different kind of concept
cedar surge
That's 3/4th of the population who did nothing wrong
fair hazel
Besides. That’s still a lot of just. People. Trying to be free
stable flower
Yeah, that.
vague scroll
I would hazard a guess only maybe 5% of the population actually even formed some kind of armed resistance to the UNSC
you could have another 75% that supported them but never took arms against them
cedar surge
The unsc shot itself in the foot because they gave the innies more material to work with
And a lot of angry people
vague scroll
when you start talking a quarter of the population, you might as well be saying children are among those active rebels since breaking down any population size and you'll find that a quarter of people means accounting for a great swath of people
gilded mason
UNSC: "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the colonists that are wrong."
cedar surge
You see clearly the unsc were in the right to nuke the planet because
gilded mason
lol
stable flower
Yeah, sympathizers and believers. Insurgencies have people side with either the government or the insurgents.
gilded mason
In this 58 page essay, you'll see that
stable flower
Red Faction: Guerrilla is a great portrayal of an insurgency.
stable flower
The gameplay features like Morale, where if it's high enough, random people driving by join you.
Also, each side needs the support of the people.
Killing civvies won't get you any.
west silo
Am I the bad guy for wanting to kill billions of innocent people because a shady intelligence group kidnapped my kid to save humanity?
Going by karen traviss logic this is a good guy
stable flower
BTW PsyOps is useful in COIN too. I dunno if the UNSC used that.
spiral jewel
I got to thinking, what type of Mjolnir would work best for scenarios where a battle is taken uh... Under the sea (the best way I could remotely describe it)
ocean ibex
Spartans don’t perform maritime operations
Plus no unsc ships can perform underwater
Pretty sure covenant ships can tho
west silo
Didn't Spartans go underwater a few times?
Once in first strike
And another in collateral damage
ocean ibex
Those were unintentional
west silo
And am pretty sure there is a halo 5 armor that specializes in it
ocean ibex
Can you dm a picture
west silo
I don't have 5
And I may be mis remembering. Anyways
Then again there is a specialized dropship armor so who knows
ocean ibex
Maybe
vague scroll
@ocean ibex @west silo we have two technically
west silo
Really?
vague scroll
vague scroll
and the other one that has a skin with shark teeth but I can't remember the name
found it
cedar surge
How often would they need to fight under water for two new suits
west silo
Wait Hannibal makes armor as well?
vague scroll
more often then you think @cedar surge
vague scroll
maritime operations is still relevant combat field for the UNSC
@west silo not a lot, it was just high profile for that one operation but yes, deploying to high pressure, non-oxygenated environments are of consideration
given the relevance of UNSC maritime warships (carriers, gunboats) in several minor appearances in Halo lore, traditional sea control is still a relevant warfare domain
west silo
Well we've barely discovered less than 5 percent of our oceans
ocean ibex
Can any starship perform underwater operations?
cedar surge
Can't imagine a Paris class faring well under water
vague scroll
we've seen Covenant starships descend below ocean surfaces
versed helm
Covie ships are built pretty different from UNSC ships
cedar surge
Like mon calimari from star wars
vague scroll
cedar surge
Also elites from a ocean planet
west silo
Well the mon are oceanic
cedar surge
Oh yea
vague scroll
given that I've been writing about maritime operations for the Halo fanfiction wiki, I did do a bit of research on this a while back
west silo
The elites didn't live in the ocean
They just conquered it
Like us
Well not really
cedar surge
5 percent of the ocean
versed helm
Cant imagine the Infinity, SoF or any other ship doing stuff underwater
vague scroll
we also have submarines from Halo 5 Fathom
vague scroll
and a forge palette for Halo 5 that takes place underwater in 5
It was 3
Halo 3 multiplayer map Longshore
west silo
Yeah thanks
vague scroll
UNSC aircraft carriers off the coast of Mombasa
cedar surge
Yea a drone carrier
versed helm
Oh yeah
cedar surge
That carries wombats
vague scroll
there's also a brief cameo of a frigate-sized warship in Collateral Damage
west silo
Oh yeah
cedar surge
Remeber that one halo comic
west silo
Yep unsc build big
vague scroll
I'm not aware of any such things
but its possible there are, just doesn't sound practical
west silo
Well maybe the covenant wanted something underwater
vague scroll
they did in Ghosts of Onyx
west silo
So they made a vehicle for it
vague scroll
but they weren't sending Banshees underwater
vague scroll
this isn't a lore discussion anymore is it...
vague scroll
do you remember where you heard of a oceanic banshee?
vague scroll
it happens, no biggy, I get stuff wrong all the time
vague scroll
Reach
west silo
Or just really ugly
vague scroll
its the space interceptor banshees you fight in Long Night of Solace
west silo
Ohh
vague scroll
mostly designed for space combat
west silo
Wait those are space bansees?
west silo
Jesus
unique rune
Oh weren't there an ocean version of the bansee?
That sounds familiar...?
One second.
AMPHIBIOUS ATTACK & ESCORT
Though rarely encountered by UNSC forces, amphibious Banshee variants have also been commissioned throughout the Covenant’s history to provide multi-environment security for oceanic Covenant installations and deep-sea artifact retrieval missions.
From Waypoint’s Universe entry on the Banshee
vague scroll
ah that sounds familiar to me oddly enough... how did aI not... that's probably in Ghosts of Onyx...
west silo
Either that or was a recent add-on
vague scroll
it seems to be a recent addition
Halopedia has no further references to it outside Waypoint
west silo
But yeah there mostly on forerunner installations or covenant planets
vague scroll
it makes some sense
though still seems very odd, in the vein of the "flying shadow"
vague scroll
unique rune
Thinking about that thing always makes me laugh
vague scroll
essentially what happens with tracing in comics to save time
west silo
How did tracing result in that?
vague scroll
Halo Escalation has a reputation for tracing
vague scroll
they're just reusing art assets
unique rune
Reminds me of some of the weird tracing bits in some Star Wars comics
vague scroll
it happens a lot in comic books and concept art
west silo
Wasn't that like illegal?
vague scroll
nope
west silo
The star wars one
vague scroll
they're using their own content so no
west silo
I saw it on a channel with a doggo
vague scroll
or if its significantly modified, it falls under fair use or transformative works
unique rune
There’s a station in one of the Darth Vader comics that’s just a tracing of an ODP with a docked frigate from Halo 2
It’s kinda amusing
vague scroll
yep but there's also like 4 or 5 separate occasions where Marvel's Deadpool also uses Halo weapons
west silo
Well he is 4th wall breaker
vague scroll
but Deadpool is also well known for referencing other popular media in its comic line
still, like I said, its not uncommon
unique rune
One of the others I’ve seen was an inverted VF-25 from Macross Frontier, sans wings
From like the Thrawn comics or something
west silo
Yeah
Okay are they really that drained of original designs
Can't they use ones from legends?
vague scroll
you misunderstand
this isn't for the sake of lack of creativity, it's a time and money issue
comic book artists aren't paid the big buck and they got to meet deadlines
west silo
Yeah
But isn't retracing something from another work like illegal?
Like a halo ODP in Star wars
Anyways am going to drop it
next fox
It’s protected by creative license
Why hasn’t any ancient halo faction ever attempted to colonize galaxies beyond path kethona?
west silo
Simple
Why?
That was the forerunners reason they didn't really have a reason to leave the galaxy they were content with what they had in the milky way
next fox
Did they at least “try” to do so at one point?
vague scroll
because the Large Magelleanic Cloud is literally our next door neighbor, Andromeda is so far away, it would be eons before anyone would hear back
it's just too far, it would be the single longest journey ever attempted by any Halo civilization
its possible such an event took place but we don't have any lore of such at the moment
next fox
It’s not impossible for the forerunners to reach such distance I assume?
vague scroll
we don't know
that's the most accurate answer I can give you
we know that the Forerunner survivors left the "known" galaxy after firing the Halos but we don't know where they wet
we know they settled down though
Chant-to-Green and Bornstellar had a son
next fox
The forerunners didn’t colonize all of the Milky Way right?
Couldn’t they have just went to some random point in the galaxy that wasn’t explored yet
west silo
They pretty much ruled the milky way
The flood did leave the galaxy
We just don't know where they went
vague scroll
*forerunners left the galaxy
next fox
Ahhh ok, this was a question that was in my head for months, thanks for clarifying
austere stone
where did kelly go after halsey took her
stable flower
Why do people not like the UNSC being the top dogs?
gilded mason
I just don't see it being realistic.
pseudo agate
if a hunter got infected by the flood would it still have partal control due to the fact that hunters are made of multiple worms making it harder to gain fll controll of every one?
stable flower
Seeing the UNSC behave like rebels all the time is repetitive.
west silo
4 years baby
That's all it takes to make it to the top
Especially after just barely surviving a genocidal campaign above 4 years earlier yep nothing wrong with that
gilded mason
Especially after losing most of your resources/colonies
stable flower
Even with Infinity?
west silo
Oh and apparently the entire covenant military just vanished
gilded mason
Infinity is one ship
west silo
Because Karen traviss
stable flower
One ship that makes use of reverse-engineered alien tech
west silo
The infinity nearly got destroyed in some very stupid situation
gilded mason
A single energy projector can disable it.
west silo
Remember the innies somehow putting a nuke on the ship
If that a bomb was a slipspace bomb it would have been over
gilded mason
And it can only be in one place at a time.
west silo
It isn't even that powerful
It managed to hold off like 12 ships by itself which is awesome
craggy sierra
One ship that makes use of reverse-engineered alien tech
Literally everything the covenant had was reverse engineered alien tech. By that measure we should still be massively losing.
craggy sierra
I’m not opposed to humanity having their crap slightly more together while everyone else decends into civil war but it’s definitely nowhere close to being a leading margin.
west silo
What about them nova bombs?
gilded mason
shut
stable flower
Well there's the insurrection, which may have been able to overthrow the UEG this time around if not for the Created.
gilded mason
they require magicium to make
west silo
I think you mean a strong box
craggy sierra
They’re not easy to make and I don’t think anyone is going to ever make more of them given the ethical situation of literally detonating planets
gilded mason
Also they break the setting
craggy sierra
literally
gilded mason
...and physics
gilded mason
I've no idea of the reference
vague scroll
You mean Witcomb
west silo
Yeah
That's the guy
How did the unsc response to the planet that grey team blew up in envoy?
Like I think the SOS would have some questions
Unless oni can cover up an entire planet not being there anymore
versed helm
In Reach, why didnt Noble 6 just go on the pelican and escape on the Autumn, couldnt the Autumns guns shoot down the Covenant carrier?
jade depot
Because the plot.
gilded mason
The MAC both wouldn't have been ready, and it wouldn't be a for-sure thing
west silo
Pretty sure the giant ship might have had something to do with it
And the fact that a bunch of phantoms appear as soon as you get in the little mac gun
Wasn't emile supposed to fire it?
gilded mason
Ye
west silo
But a zealot had other plans
gilded mason
based zealot
west silo
Thank emile for being careless
So the ship in the fall of reach animation isn't right?
stable flower
A lot of things in the FoR animation aren't right
west silo
Because the book its 3 times smaller than the frigate
In the animation its 3 times bigger
And its looks like a ccs
While the one in the book is an unknown class
Actually that's wrong it was a 3rd the size of the frigate
stable flower
I wonder if non-humans could be composed into Prometheans.
gilded mason
Yes.
stable flower
I wonder if they considered composing Flood too
gilded mason
In the time it takes to compose, they could also just vaporize them, so it probably wasn't a big priority
gilded mason
Ye
west silo
It didn't have that affect
Spark himself is composed
And he's pretty fine
Well minus 100,000 being alone but he was doing pretty good
stable flower
I'm talking about Flood infected Forerunners
gilded mason
"People require companionship to not go insane? Who knew?"
- Forerunners
west silo
They don't have to come out insane
The comment above yours
They wanted to remove the essence from the flood infected body and put them in a new clean one
This did not go well
last anchor
Even before the Flood rolled around it didnt work too well. Sentient beings dont take to being turned into computerized versions of themselves too well.
west silo
I think the problem was mainly putting them into a fleshy body
Spark was a okay
Everyone that got the fleshy treatment not so much
fair hazel
Imagine experiencing the stories of the ace of spade crew in a mandalorian show like format
slim thorn
If they are killed by pulse, then how did the Covenant remnants survive the firing? I don't think Anodyne Spirit was designed to withstand the pulse to keep the crew safe, isn't it?
versed helm
I dont think any Covie ship is designed to withstand a Halo Pulse
slim thorn
Anodyne Spirit was a Forerunner Keyship, the ship that Truth used to trigger the Portal to the Ark from Voi.
terse lava
@slim thorn At the time of halo 3 yeah, its implied anyone left died. After Hunters in the dark, along with other new lore, it seems to be the ring did indeed fire, but a very weak pulse, as it was still incomplete. You can also make the argument that keyships possibly have areas that can slipspace-lock, which would protect those inside
versed helm
Or that the incomplete pulse wasn't strong enough to go through Forerunner matter
cedar surge
But it wasn't strong enough to go through the rest of HC
slim thorn
Yeah. Chief did survive the pulse, let alone the native at the Installaion 00 unless it was biologically rushed for the ages by 000 Tragic. The weapons itself was incomplete as stated by 343 Guilty Spark.
cedar surge
So firing the ring was totally worthless then
terse lava
Not really, it still did its job, it wiped out the flood on the ark, and killed/reduced the gravemind
grand iris
What are the chances that SPI or at least a modified version of it can be ported over to MJOLNIR gen 3?
west silo
So how did the gravemind inside high charity go back to proto stage
cedar surge
It reversed back due to the stupidity of how animals are alive on the ark
But seriously I think it transferred itself into the ark control room going by the tentacles
west silo
Maybe it just jas long tentacles
But really that's a valid point
Remember in 2 when it rescued chief
And am pretty sure it wasn't anyway near him
And we know the gravemind can communicate from far distances
Or was the whole " but you are welcome to it " line just a forth wall thing
jolly furnace
Humans are doing that with other ships anyway. Infinity has some Forerunner stuff integrated and they would use any Forerunner tech they found to upgrade existing ships or built new designs with. New fleets will combine Forerunner ships (assuming they can unlock and use them) and Forerunner-upgraded human made ships down the line.
jolly furnace
So how did the gravemind inside high charity go back to proto stage
Weakened by Halo pulse.
I have mixed feelings about the retconning of that Halo pulse
west silo
Me too
jolly furnace
On the one hand I can buy that the ring being incomplete or breaking up could weaken the pulse but at the same time they said the weapon was finished.
Unless the power being pumped into it was less then needed... but even then
I mean MC got it right in the face from the ending
U even see it go past him
west silo
Wasn't he on the dawn in orbit by then?
jolly furnace
Then you have those brutes surviving in a keyship
west silo
And didn't the blast spread across the entire ark
jolly furnace
Wasn't he on the dawn in orbit by then?
Yah but if u watch the pulse goes by him in the scene
right before we go to white screen
yes it did
west silo
Maybe that was unintentional?
west silo
Like that kinda defeats the point
west silo
Of not getting hit
jolly furnace
It went by/through him. So he got hit
vague scroll
Humans are doing that with other ships anyway. Infinity has some Forerunner stuf...
I discussed that like a couple days ago. Regardless, its not a done deal yet. We won't be seeing it for a while, Ace of Spades and the Infinity are unique as hero ships.
west silo
I think distant means that the ace is basically a forerunner ship now
jolly furnace
I discussed that like a couple days ago. Regardless, its not a done deal yet. We...
Yes but other ships will eventually get such treatment if not already. We just don't see em yet or they won't have the tron lines
decor
Heck both AH and Forerunner vessels sport tron lines
west silo
I don't think they have ever had an upgrade seed
jolly furnace
and similar designs
west silo
They just strapped the tech onto the ship
vague scroll
alright, I don't know why you brought the topic up again.
jolly furnace
Heck Forerunner ships we see in H4 terminals were actually concepts for AH ships
west silo
Wait are we talking about the ship design?
Because just look at the ship in the reach ending
jolly furnace
Infinity incorporates covie and forerunner tech and a forerunner drive. Ace of Spades has a design seed use on it to upgrade it
west silo
It looks like the ace
west silo
Wait what
vague scroll
it isn't
west silo
The ship in the end of reach?
vague scroll
KH just about treated his headcanon as lore
I'm just saying don't do it
going to start confusing people
jolly furnace
Wait the one at reach epilogue?
Thats a different ship
That's a new colony ship
west silo
I know
west silo
But its design or style is similar to the ace
The above
Pretty much future humanity has glowy lights everywhere
jolly furnace
west silo
And mostly sliver color scheme
jolly furnace
I don't think they look alike
west silo
Wow
jolly furnace
Most sci-fi human ships have TRON lines in em
west silo
I never knew there was a closer image of it
Yep it looks like if a marathon or POA class ship had got the upgrade seed
jolly furnace
It looks cool
west silo
Really cool
jolly furnace
Heck some ships in H4 midnight were rocking the silver forerunner-esque look
west silo
Ehh I kinda like the dark grey ships
jolly furnace
Hmm
west silo
Especially the frigates
jolly furnace
https://www.halopedia.org/images/7/73/Primordium_wallpaper.jpg Heck i thought these were forerunner ships back in the day
before i saw it was H4 concept art
slim thorn
It reversed back due to the stupidity of how animals are alive on the ark
Gravemind wants to rebuild himself at Installation 08, so he send most of his bodies into it.
jolly furnace
Sorry I'm back
UNSC ships
U can even see UNSC troops in background
Also the shuttle is clearly human looking. Looks like modern shuttles
Yes the cover art of FS books are Halo 4 concept art
west silo
Wait those were supposed to be unsc dropship?
They look more like something the sangheli would make
Especially with the dark red color
Or is that purple?
jolly furnace
They are grey
The sunlight filter in the background is messing with you
the ships are grey
west silo
Oh but they look like something the elites would make
We're those like supposed to be replacements for pelicans ?
jolly furnace
I don't know
I think the foreground one is a transport for troops
the background one is a shuttle
barren ferry
Do marines honestly believe spartans never die and are just MIA
cedar surge
That's propaganda by ONI and myth
barren ferry
Yeah, but apparently it boosts their morale
cedar surge
Heck some in the covenant actually believed this
Yea
Its propaganda
So they do believe it
Or they just like seeing spartans
barren ferry
I think they probably believe it to some extent
But deep down, they know it isn't true
They just try not to think about the latter.
west silo
Well hearing that your greatest last line of defense is basically unkillable would put me in a good mood too
stable flower
You can think Uncle Innie for that
west silo
Realistically the unsc shouldn't even have any good moral left since almost all of there victories either end in both sides losing or the planet they saved ended up getting glassed like a weak or a month later
And this is only like 3 years in a nearly 30 year war
stable flower
The Covenant don't play fair. They get wrecked on the ground and resort to glassing the planet.
cedar surge
Well the unsc won a few times
All of Coles soace battles
Chi chiti
Harvest
Meridian
Tribute
gilded mason
Though could you consider Harvest "won"
gilded mason
Cause it ended with Harvest a dead scorch mark on the galaxy
cedar surge
Well the north was kinda ok
gilded mason
As of 2558, there's still nobody on the planet
vague scroll
meridian was a loss
so was Tribute
Mars was a loss
Sigma Octanus IV was a pyrrhic victory
cedar surge
All 3 is when the covenant could finish the job but didn't
vague scroll
they certainly weren't UNSC victories, fighting better than other times but losing is still a loss
cedar surge
Arcadia was won in halo wars before the covenant showed up again angry and glassed it
west silo
That's still a lost
cedar surge
Yea
gilded mason
lmao
west silo
Dang I'd say coles last stand was also a lost
west silo
Because the unsc lost there greatest admiral
cedar surge
Cole destroyed 300 covenants ships while his fleet was still mostly intact
west silo
And the covenant lost a disposable fleet
west silo
Everyone died
cedar surge
No
west silo
Except the innies
west silo
That still the most of the fleet dying
cedar surge
Still a victory
west silo
Technically a lost
cedar surge
Its a heavy win
west silo
The greatest lost to me will always be when a hundred unsc ships fought a dozen covenant ship
And half the unsc fleet was destroyed
stark hinge
Energy shielding, baby
west silo
Energy projectors baby
cedar surge
Well most of those ships were likely frigates and destroyers
cedar surge
Hey archers are powerful when shields are down
west silo
They just can't take a hit
cedar surge
And sent en mass
west silo
If they don't get shot down first
cedar surge
Yea your going to pick off a few in a archer swarm of hundreds
west silo
And deck A through E isn't destroyed
cedar surge
Why so specific
gilded mason
Initiation
cedar surge
What
west silo
Yeah that
west silo
Its the daaaa future
Paper is overrated
Get your 5 credit eco friendly tablet instead
cedar surge
Perhaps its just the planet Palmer is on?
west silo
Nope it's spoken matter of factly
They used a paper contract for her to become a Spartan
Which she reacts in shock because apparently paper is rare or something
hoary sigil
The future is eco friendly
cedar surge
Guess trees barely exist anymore
lean karma
If Marvel being in fortnite game is cannon as alternate reality confirmed, is Halo in Fortnite cannon, therefore if there is ever a Marvel movie where Marvel characters get sucked into fortnite game, could Master chief be Marvel Cannon!????
slim thorn
Nah, it won't. It will be like joint product or a non-canon ones. In several games, some playable Spartan and an Arbiter appeared as non-canon character.
unique rune
what kind of gun is a Marvel Cannon
unique rune
stable flower
Why are UNSC bases on Requiem so poorly defended?
stable flower
I meant those.
A lot of SpOps missions have you visit those camps and they're completely empty. Wouldn't it make sense to have Marines run security?
craggy sierra
Probably because they were some hastily assembled research camps set up on a hostile planet by a group with its resources being spread thin by battles happening on like 10 different fronts
I think the idea is they died
cedar surge
Man if only there was a base meant to be set up fast for the unsc
west silo
Looks at wars
But yeah teleporting antimatter shooting death bots may be a little difficult
craggy sierra
I’m not saying that I doubt the canonicity of the canned bases from wars but I do think that I’m not going to blame the writers for never bringing them up.
Cause it would be more than a little silly on the face of it.
Besides, going off of wars those all seemed predicated around having a large expanse of open flat land. Something which few if any of the actual Spops locales had.
stable flower
I wonder how Chernobyl is in the Haloverse
west silo
Either still a radioactive wasteland
Or maybe they were able to make it livable again with there terraforming tech
craggy sierra
Does that even need terraforming? I thought that was clearing up on its own?
mild grove
no its nuclear fallout it'll never go back to normal around there
quaint beacon
what is the metal looking part of the skull on emiles helmet, is it just really metalic looking glass or is it somthing else
quaint beacon
@west silo yea im talking about the material of the visor in the skull area
why does it look like metal
is it metal or is it just scuffed up future glass or somthing else
carmine sleet
It's just meant to be scratched glass
quaint beacon
huh, thought it was metal, shader on it makes it look metalic
slim rivet
Ok how dose the master chef survive a nuke to the face??
carmine sleet
Cortana protected him with hard light
slim rivet
? what
carmine sleet
I'm assuming you're talking about Halo 4's final mission, no?
slim rivet
yes i am
carmine sleet
Well what I said explains how he survived
sterile crescent
hard light is apparently possible
In theory, photons, the particles that form electromagnetic radiation including light, could be attracted in a nonlinear medium. In a test, a laser beam fired into a cloud of rubidium a millionth of a degree above absolute zero, which slowed down the photons from the speed of light (300,000km/second) by approximately 100,000 times to 3,000km/second which caused the photons to act as a single entity.[6][7] In 2013, the same group of scientists at MIT led by Vladan Vuletic observed two photons binding and making a new state of matter. The scientists continue to attempt to find the boundaries of this new and exiting field of development.
white marlin
why is cortana bad in halo 5 pleas explain my brain cant register what i saw in halo 5
sterile crescent
Are the elites in halo infinite enemies or allies to the unsc or are there different factions with different ideologies?
terse lava
The Sangheili seen thus far in Infinite are enemies of the chief as members of the Banished
terse lava
as for Cortana, chalk it up to the scattered, rampant Cortanan fragments that were used to overload the didact's shield ended up merging into one being and sent into the domain. Cured of the rampancy, but still all the negative traits
ocean ibex
I wonder how Chernobyl is in the Haloverse
The main reactor where the meltdown happened will remain radioactive for tens of thousands of more years, there is nothing you can do about that, however the actual city would be safe by the 2500s
west silo
Then there's that other city that is undergoing a meltdown
vague scroll
Chernobyl is mostly safe to go to today, its a big tourist attraction in Ukraine
oh apparently I can't say the name of the Japanese city (Fukushima) due to letter association to profanity, I digress
the city is abandoned and will be for some time but the background radiation is not unlivable, still dangerous but they're not entirely abandoned only a few years after the incidents
the cities the US bombed in WW2 are highly populated metropolises today, Hiroshima and Nagasaki
boreal bane
@vague scroll I fixed that now and removed the warning
vague scroll
thanks stckr
boreal bane
Words inside words lol
vague scroll
yeah it happens, coding can be a painful endeavor, small things always get overlooked
versed helm
What countries still exist in the Halo universe?
vague scroll
most if not all of them
only ones that kinda sorta changed we know of are the United Republic of North America, Unified Korea, and Germany kinda sorta - called the Unified German Republic
versed helm
What happened to the United States in the Halo universe?
vague scroll
collapsed
the United Republic was built on top of it, combining the political remnants of the USA, with Mexico and Canada to make a new nation
versed helm
Wasn't there a map that showed the borders of all of the old U.S states?
vague scroll
that was a really badly drawn map for Halo Escalations with a lot of extreme inaccuracies
like north Mexico being an ocean
versed helm
Japan sort of still exists from what I recall
vague scroll
Japan definitely still exists
China does, a lot of nations do
some areas of the world have weird superpolitical formations though
like the East African Protectorate which is based on the borders of the old British East African Protectorate but the British Empire no longer exists by Halo's time and the protectorate seems to be more of a UEG thing
versed helm
How about India?
vague scroll
especially when at one point New Mombasa was the most wealthy city on Earth in the late 2300s
India's still around
so is Pakistan
there's not much lore on either
though the Halo 3 commercial Landfall takes place on the Afghan-Pakistani border
versed helm
And the University of Calcutta still exists
vague scroll
United Republic of North America (URNA)
west silo
Yeah that
cedar surge
All under UEG control
west silo
So did allot of the innies know the Spartan 2s origins?
Because the innie dude in silent storm pretty much gave it away at every turn and got a way in the end
stark hinge
Talk about this country thing, since humanity has capable technology to colonize planets, did they have the technology to make Antarctica a much more habitable place? Or did they used Antarctica as a place to mine important resources?
cedar surge
Well yea they do
They turned draco 3 a lava planet into something liveable
And they could just throw a asteroid
stark hinge
What happened to Antarctica then?
stark hinge
Ooh that's interesting. Wonder if we'll ever get a novel all about how earth has been doing. Would be pretty interesting
west silo
Doubt it
Most books have just been about the resent forerunner doomsday weapon of the week
Or during the humans covenant war on a another planet
Or a boring action flick
west silo
Read oblivion
Or silent storm
Or even battleborn
Technically any halo book because they take place on another planet
stark hinge
Hm aight once I got free time
Wait, what happened to Russia in the Haloverse though? Did they collapse like the U.S or are still alive?
stark hinge
Inch resting...
ocean ibex
And uniting with an enemy they tried to destroy for over 70 years
ocean ibex
Talk about this country thing, since humanity has capable technology to colonize...
If you made Antarctica habitable, you’d destroy the entire planet’s atmosphere and kill everything on the surface
stark hinge
Oh, I see
ocean ibex
The UEG knows not to mess around with any of the poles
vague scroll
this is 500 years in the future, everything you expect from the world has long since been washed away by history
Antarctica is still there, it's still a cold lifeless desert
Russia seems to be the same as it always was, it got some lore from the canceled Halo Online but it's not much besides a remake of a Halo 2 map
North America hasn't changed much either, more cities went up, a few more million people live there
terse lava
Just watch, Antarctica is actually an ancient human flood research lab
vague scroll
American laws may still have some relevance based on dialogue from the non-canon iluvbees ARG
ocean ibex
They turned draco 3 a lava planet into something liveable
Draco III wasn’t a lava planet... you can’t make lava planets habitable, unless it cools naturally
vague scroll
otherwise, Earth is stable, an interesting place but ultimately not that important in the grand scheme of things other than its Forerunner connection
Sydney, Australia is the capital of the UEG
next fox
Is it theoretically possible to transcend beyond a tier 0 status?
vague scroll
yes only by that under the pretense that 'anything is possible in fiction'
and that Tier 0 is a arbitrary number given by the Forerunners based on their experience of knowing only one civilization beyond their technological ability
there is an unknown limit of what Tier 0 is capable of but what is Tier 0 is also really an unknown given the Precursors are so poorly understood
terse lava
Would say at what point does one make the step from tier 1 to tier 0. The ability to create multi-dimensional structures? Ascend oneself? Moving entire galaxies?
next fox
I thought it was traveling between galaxies at much greater speeds?
west silo
Would becoming a GOD make one beyond tier 0 ?
Nah you have to master neural physics to become tier 0
stable flower
I wonder what Andrew "Sending in recon would just slow us down" Del Rio is up to by SoR
west silo
He technically was right
vague scroll
he was a junior senator for a Jovian moon days before Cortana's attack
west silo
But for the wrong reasons
soft fjord
I am making a video with Master Chief. But I am not the best with Halo lore, Could someone help me fact check some stuff, please?
vague scroll
soft fjord
thanks
stable flower
So who leads Jul's Covenant after he dies?
stable flower
Speaking of Jul, a lot of people say that he appears in Halo 4's campaign during the cutscene where the Didact awakens (the Elite who says "Didact!"). Is this true?
west silo
I don't know
They all looked the same
He does make a very small appearance in the halo 4 terminal
As in like 3 seconds
He also looks like a grunt
gilded mason
Speaking of Jul, a lot of people say that he appears in Halo 4's campaign during...
Only in the concept cutscene, I believe. Not in the final game
west silo
If we took concept stuff at face value
The prometheans would be space pirates
gilded mason
based
west silo
Teleporting is cool and all
But seeing a promethean transform into a ball would be something
gilded mason
The Metroid crossover we've all been waiting for.
west silo
Plot twist chiefs parents were killed by prometheans
gilded mason
"I'm authorizing you to use the Light Rifle."
west silo
Ironically that's something chief would probably ask
The space bounty hunter on the other hand
Oh and shame on you for reminding me that game exist
gilded mason
John: "The words he so carefully chose, 'Aging Spartan', pierced my heart."
west silo
The aging Spartan line doesn't even make sense
He's not that old
Made it sound like chief was 70 or something
gilded mason
lol
west silo
"Your old "
Pot calling the kettle black
gilded mason
John: "The Didact?!" Cries
west silo
I hope the new book at least mentions him
Because it's take place like a few months at most after 4 amd spark is aboard and most likely remembers him
Its pretty hard to forget the guy that kidnapped you and then threatened to kill you constantly on there ship
gilded mason
lol
That does remind me, we've gotten a whole lot of post-war books from before H5, but only two afterwards that don't really give the full view of what life under the Created is like. I wonder if they'll ever go to this period after Infinite is out, or just leave it as a sort of "dead zone".
west silo
I think there being really cautious
Maybe they want to have cortana as some morally grey character
"The she's not evil you just don't agree with her methods"
gilded mason
Yeah, what a thing to say out loud lol
west silo
Jesus this sounds like something someone evil would say
Its not genocide
Just early extinction
slim thorn
So who leads Jul's Covenant after he dies?
Considering the asset, some could splintered into Nyon's faction
west silo
You know people say that the created won't be in infinite because the marketing doesn't mention or hint that them.
Its like these fans forgot that halo 1 2 and 3s. Big bad were the flood
And they weren't even hinted on any of the media
gilded mason
Also, we got those Cortana moments in the earlier trailers
slim thorn
I just wish that the Flood returns at Halo: Infinite
west silo
Most likely as a surprise boss
To be honest after some of the sick new forms and lore in HW2 for the flood it would be a waste to not include some infinite
Then again the same can be said for HW that had some neat forms
gilded mason
It'd feel a bit lacking in gravity, I feel.
west silo
But were never included in anything
gilded mason
If the Flood were ever included again, I'd rather they be treated as the huge emergency they are
Rather than a small side thing
gilded mason
Imagine teaming up with banished
🤢
cloud trellis
oh theres a new halo book on halowaypoint announced?
cloud trellis
I gotta catch up
west silo
It sounds fanfictioniy
cloud trellis
someone should archive all the halo cover art wallpapers from the website XD
I like the cover from point of light
west silo
Spark is looking fresh
Rion is looking like a COD character
And the ace looks like its made of legos
gilded mason
Spark is looking fresh
I wonder if that's actually the new design for the Soldiers going forward
gilded mason
Oh, I thought he like "found it" or something
west silo
Nope he made it on the Rubicon
Apparently
Or he found it?
Ahh now I got myself confused
gilded mason
lol
west silo
But yeah am expecting them to go on the ring
gilded mason
Oh, Halopedia says "Spark survived by creating an armiger for himself out parts salvaged by the crew from the Ark"
slim thorn
I want Cortana to be like... Going into the nightmare.
west silo
What
gilded mason
So you were right
slim thorn
You mean Spark?
gilded mason
Oh lol
remote field
Yeah, asking for a purge lol
Sorry about that
For now, just refer to them as Kelly and try and avoid the filter
west silo
Nah its fine I should have remembered that
remote field
You're good my man 
west silo
It just I really hate retyping stuff
fair hazel
point of light sounds like it fits halo books
crystal perch
poor poor grunty
slim thorn
If they are going to the Ark then they will be able to find SoF
stable flower
It's funny how humanity is in space but people still say expressions like "What in the world?"
humble yacht
Old sayings have staying power
thorny wren
Hmmm
sterile crescent
Real quick what is with this voiceline from halo 3 between elites
If you gaze at me much longer we might as well exchange fluids
I'm sorry but what? Is this cannon, is there an explanation or is it just devs having fun?
I'm kinda weirded out, btw there are also quite a few more quirky voicelines between elites
radiant matrix
Real quick what is with this voiceline from halo 3 between elites
> If you gaze ...
Probably the devs having fun
sterile crescent
thanks
vague scroll
@sterile crescent it’s a rare voiceline created for comedy, non canon, and was intended for discovery with the IHWYMD skull
Without the rare dialogue skull you pretty much will never hear it otherwise
sterile crescent
thanks, im really new to this universe
paper coyote
i luv halo
open hare
yez
echo jay
Yes
slim thorn
When exactly we can discuss the new book about Rion on Spoiler-chat? I know the time limit is a month after release, but I want to know before the release itself. Is it when the book was confirmed to be released on set date or...?
humble yacht
you can discuss Point of Light in spoiler chat when the book comes out
slim thorn
Only when the book comes out? Okay.
humble yacht
how you gonna talk about a book when its not out yet?
slim thorn
Ah...
humble yacht
nobody like story leaks
paper coyote
hey ladies you beautiful humans
humble yacht
don't quote meatcanyon here
surreal sparrow
So who thinks having the arbiter as a main character in halo infinite is a good idea
humble yacht
tmw even the crickets are silent
barren ferry
How many bolts would ODST armor be able to take from the following weapons before the trooper is killed?
-Plasma Pistol
DUDE HOW IS THAT A REPEAT
wow man i didnt know that plasma rifle was a duplicate of plasma pistol
10/10 best bot
craggy sierra
Like 1 and a half
craggy sierra
Plasma is more lethal than bullets
You’re not surviving many shots without power armour
barren ferry
well i know that for a fact
watched too much star wars and halo lore to deny that
like in both franchises they usually kill a dude instantly if he doesnt have armor
even then there's no guarantee
craggy sierra
Halo’s gameplay makes a lot of people think otherwise but yeah.
barren ferry
Yeah, in the games i think the damage for ballistic weapons is spot on
the plasma weapon damage on the other hand is way off.
barren ferry
true marines should have been way weaker
thats why i modded my mcc game so elites are made stronger than them
craggy sierra
Honestly lore depicts the AR getting headshots on multiple occasions. They just flat out can’t headshot in games at all.
Every gun is wrong in the games
barren ferry
In my version of halo, the most a marine can survive from a plasma based weapon is 1 plasma pistol bolt
craggy sierra
Without fail
craggy sierra
Yeah one or two
barren ferry
but they do get one shotted by beam rifles, carbines, and plasma rifles
ODST's can take one plasma rifle bolt or carbine slug
but no unit other than spartans are surviving a beam rifle shot
this i found on a reddit post asking about it probably sums it up though
"Ultimately any lore reason will feel half baked, because it's not a design choice born out of the story, at least, not in a positive way. The real reason is because Bungie couldn't make Halo 3 without an enemy that fit the profile of the Elite. Moderately tanky commander unit with multiple ranks of shield/armor strength that can use a wide variety of weapons. Every Halo game has, and needs that enemy type, and in Halo 2, they turned that enemy type into allies, so now they had to move Brutes into that position, even though they don't fit there." - Texual_Deviant (thats his profile name ok)
stable flower
Shielded enemy who commands often unshielded enemies is a standard enemy archetype of Halo.
stable flower
true marines should have been way weaker
Marines are weaker in Halo 4 even on Easy difficulty.
cedar surge
They are?
slim thorn
Yep
stable flower
I once saw a Marine get killed by a Promethean Knight's melee attack in one hit.
west silo
And the fact that the sword can sometimes one shot you in gameplay
Its kinda understandable why the marines might die so fast
versed helm
Why did Noble 6 travel down from where the MAC cannon was into the valley below besides plot reasons? Wouldnt it have been better to stay near the MAC cannon?
thorny wren
No The forces what is seen as a Mac shut down the carrier So they would try to take it off line so I couldn’t do any more damage it was better to move
Although in the end it doesn’t matter
slim thorn
Yep. Then they found the guns they used to shot it down, they will definitely send their ground forces to take it down.
slim thorn
And the fact that the sword can sometimes one shot you in gameplay
Not to mention it also affects all flesh soldiers, including Spartans.
That's why never underestimate ancient battle technique for some reason. Replying yourself with guns and knife is not always the good choice when you can take it down with a sword.
vague bronze
I mean there's also the gravity hammer.
slim thorn
Gravity Hammer is literally a one-hit kill for all humans, Spartans are included.
Considering the shockwave can destroy your organ and bones in one hit.
vague bronze
True
slim thorn
You saw when it hits the NMPD Officer during end of NMPD HQ level? That's when you got smashed by a direct hit of Gravity Hammer.
vague scroll
No The forces what is seen as a Mac shut down the carrier So they would try to t...
CCS battlecruiser for the record, not a carrier
jolly furnace
I wonder if AHs and forerunners could materialize energy swords of hardlight from their armor in combat if needed
ocean ibex
They probably could
However it’s unclear if AH used hard light weapons
But Ancient Human weapons were superior to forerunner weapons soo
jolly furnace
I assume AH did have hardlight weapons.
A tier 1 species would master it
Whether they use like Forerunners is another matter
Hardlight has too many potential uses to not use
if you can
I'm just imagining sci-fi samurai weilding a hardlight katana now
ocean ibex
I doubt hardlight would make an efficient weapon type in the real world
jolly furnace
It can be made to stay solid
for long enough then yes
IRL probably not
power needs would be nuts
Halo its doable
We can make it
but its just to much power i think
So no lightsaber for ua
ocean ibex
We’ve already made a version of hard light before in the real world
wispy wasp
How should i go through with reading the halo novels?
gilded mason
Release order
wispy wasp
Ok, thanks
gilded mason
Though prioritize reprints over original releases.
wispy wasp
Is there something on halopedia for that?
gilded mason
wispy wasp
Thanks
slim thorn
I'm just imagining sci-fi samurai weilding a hardlight katana now
I'm much more like imagining several people from some series like Akame using her sword to cut down Elites, Brutes, or even Prometheans. If UNSC are trained in close combat and having a sword, probably Elites can respect them more.
west silo
Is there anything that hints that ancient humanity used hardlight?
Because the only weapons we see them use are generic sci fi blasters
And they may have had better weapons than the forerunners but we don't know what those weapons are
jolly furnace
Because the only weapons we see them use are generic sci fi blasters
So far no. but i imagine they could given san'shyuum at tier 2 could use it to an extent.
The ones we saw appear to be particle rifles
Its only known both species shared military technology types
in many ways
west silo
Ohhh SOI
jolly furnace
They had some at least
west silo
Ot in the original CE trailer
jolly furnace
covies mostly reshaped plasma to emulate more advanced hardlight
west silo
Well the covenant uses forerunners technology
And the prophets are the best of the best
Maybe they kept the best things for themselves?
jolly furnace
According to the Minister of Discovery in Wages of Sin, hard light was one of the several Forerunner technologies the Covenant never successfully reverse-engineered.[5] However, the San'Shyuum Prelate Tem'Bhetek sports a hard light shield gauntlet in Halo: Shadow of Intent.[20] It is possible that the device was of Forerunner origin, rather than having been manufactured by the Covenant. Alternatively, the Minister of Discovery may not have been informed of the technology incorporated into the Prelate's armor. Halo Waypoint further claims that the Covenant developed technologies to control and utilize hard light from the analysis of Forerunner technologies.[21]
San shyuum defo kept stuff to themselves
west silo
He also used an anti gravity belt
jolly furnace
Also i just realized the San'shyuum remind of the Skekis of Dark Crystal
jolly furnace
its great
netflix yes
though they cancelled it
A-holes
only reason i subbed to em along with Witcher
west silo
Ahhh Netflix
Always canceling there best shows
Reminds me of what happened to the whispers
jolly furnace
never heard of it
but yeah netflix cancellin stuff
while keeping questionable stuff
i've heard they'll cancel Witcher too
bloody hope not
im hopin amazon or someone else picks up dark crystal
gilded mason
Unknown to most in covenant
I don't think it was exactly a secret, since the Waypoint entry is pretty blase about the Covenant using hardlight.
Interestingly, another reference book implies that Covenant energy shielding is made using hardlight.
west silo
Which book is that?
gilded mason
I think it might've been the Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide.
I'll quote the line
Although ONI has utilized a number of portable energy shields from previous Covenant technology, the best application of hard light has come from the Forerunners.
gilded mason
Seems so
west silo
That isn't really shocking
Since they pretty much behave the same
Except one can build stuff
So is the the explanation for why humanity can use and understand anything forerunner just that there reclaimers ?
gilded mason
Yes. That's it. Cheat codes.
west silo
Because Jesus it took them longer to understand covenant tech in some cases
gilded mason
lol
west silo
But with forerunners let's just poke it with a stick
I can't believe glassman tired that same thing that failed again in escalations
gilded mason
Though that does remind me that I'm glad Legacy of Onyx included that "Yeah, uh, Sangheili kinda know Forerunner stuff a lot more than us, so SoS scientists get to live on Onyx with us."
gilded mason
lmao
west silo
So onyx still has a giant hole in it right?