the channel is for lore
#lore-and-universe
topaz wyvern
grim copper
To be fair... that was a valid question
woven stone
this is literally the official halo discord and questions need to be asked if were surious
woven stone
EnD oF sTorY
versed helm
the questions need to be serious too
grim copper
Stckr do you work for 343?
boreal bane
Nope
grim copper
How you a mod then
boreal bane
343 invited me
grim copper
Bruh
ocean ibex
Yo what
slim thorn
I'm wondering why Lasky won't bother to find another XO? I mean, he got like around 5 months between Oth London to Halo 5.
I also notice that Cutter doesn't have XO either after Hood was reassigned
humble yacht
pretty sure palmer is functionally his XO
slim thorn
and that means Jerome is Cutter's XO then?
humble yacht
no
slim thorn
Cutter did promote Jerome into a Commander Rank
humble yacht
well then you answered your own question
slim thorn
It's kinda weird if a Spartan becomes an XO
austere stone
give me back that chip that captain right?
vague scroll
its been seen repeatedly that Spartans have assumed senior commissioned officer ranks, while it is odd in the modern/traditional sense for ground personnel to fill a senior naval position, this is Halo and 500 years in the future - not all things follow our sensibilities
plus it's just there to simplify the plot
@austere stone which person you asking of?
Del Rio is the character but which user are you asking the qusetion to?
austere stone
Halo 4 captain, what ever happened to him?
vague scroll
he was forced to retire
became a junior senator to the UEG senate, represents one of Jupiter's moons
humble yacht
he went into politics
austere stone
Yeah him, interesting character. Oh? Through ONI or naval?
Gross of course he would
vague scroll
he was always Navy
austere stone
He probably represents Uranus if I didn’t see ur edit
ocean ibex
Uranus has no commercial or military use for the UEG
austere stone
It’s an interesting plot point that he rattles off the AI decommission article; tho granted he’d have to know it
ocean ibex
And it’s very expensive to travel that far out to the sol system
vague scroll
of course he knows it, it's standard military procedure @austere stone
austere stone
Is there an interactive map of the colonies online?
austere stone
I know, but, he didn’t really like cortana from the gecko or maybe disliked AI
lame time to create one
vague scroll
fans have tried making their own, none of them are accurate
humble yacht
Del Rio didn't view cortana as a person like Chief did
austere stone
True
vague scroll
Cortana was showing signs of rampancy
humble yacht
to Del Rio, cortana was just a broken tool
vague scroll
decommissioning her was standard policy
he was following regulation like a good employee of the UNSC Navy
austere stone
yeah but he’s also dorito guy, fair enough
ocean ibex
I mean, he also tried to arrest the man with the most amount of confirmed kills in human history soooo
austere stone
I like that we got to see the expression that that other Spartan, blanking on her name, had when given that order
vague scroll
kind of hard to tack on any claim of "most kills/awards/etc
@austere stone Commander Palmer
austere stone
Come to think of it, impressive foreshadowing on Locke and his ability to see mc less of a big time hero
vague scroll
@ocean ibex given that we're talking about a broken AI here, Chief's mental health really would be worth questioning
austere stone
Though the h5 ads following the truth or whatever was way wrong to what the game portrayed
Ah halo 4 Halsey intro yeah
vague scroll
like, Del Rio may not be likeable but he's honestly one of the most pragmatic naval officers we've seen in Halo
he just follows rules to a fault, he didn't show any practical talent for military command
in Kilo-5 Parangosky described him more as a "office manager" than a naval officer
he would have had a stellar record if he stuck to something like UNSC Navy Logistics or something
the only reason he was given Infinity over someone like Lasky was that the Naval HIGHCOM thought Lasky was too young
ocean ibex
Of course, but since the ship he commands was literally made from aliens 100000 years ago, shouldn’t he have at least tried to listen to chief when one of the most powerful forerunners explained the true threat of the didact?
vague scroll
how are you supposed to know whether the Chief is speaking the truth? He's been on Requiem for whoever knows how long
with only a broken AI to talk to and a bunch of new Forerunner machines that are more violent than any they've ever seen before
and the Infinity wasn't made by aliens, the only part of it made by Forerunners was the ship's slipspace drive that Halsey helped strap to the ship
"strap" being metaphorical in this case
ocean ibex
Wouldn’t the amount of space time anomalies around requiem have given chief’s story some credibility?
vague scroll
what spacetime anomalies?
ocean ibex
Not really anomalies, requiem literally bends time and space around it
vague scroll
so does any object passing through slipspace
gravity literally bends spacetime
it's not an unusual phenomenon in Halo or reality
austere stone
Such as the piece of that one crystal in the pelican with Halsey and that ODST that eventually shot it
Somewhere in the books, I think first strike, but it was right after the events of halo 1 or reach or something
vague scroll
you're right in the case of 'anomaly' regarding the Slipspace Crystal in First Strike but that doesn't really have anything to do with Requiem
The Infinity was heading to Requiem because they were charged with finding and disabling the Halo array, when scientists on Gamma Halo got zapped and the Forerunner tech spit out some space coordinates, they went to the said coordinates and found Requiem - they didn't even know the Forward Unto Dawn crashed there till they were right in front of the shield world
west silo
So what would have happened if the infinity never came?
Because chief's original plan was to jack a covenant ship and return to human space but the didact used the infinity's signal to fool chief
So if the infinity never arrived would the didact never have been released?
ocean ibex
you're right in the case of 'anomaly' regarding the Slipspace Crystal in First S...
I mean requiem was made from energy from alternate realities, that might have some effect on the people on the surface
vague scroll
@west silo probably either still aimlessly wandering the surface or the Didact would have just used a 'Forerunner signal, very helpful, please activate me' thing
jolly furnace
Didact gets off Requeim but has a harder time finding a Composer
Or he just goes to Composer's forge
west silo
How would he get off?
vague scroll
the Didact? All he need was Chief to press a button
jolly furnace
Which MC did
west silo
That he had to lure him into the planet
vague scroll
everything else the Didact could of done without the Chief's involvement
jolly furnace
With or without Infinity Didact gets off requiem once MC opens the cryptum
vague scroll
The Didact didn't lure John into the planet, he just opened the doors - gravity did the rest
west silo
Free cortana upgrade
Push button to use
Nah the whole teleporting deeper into the planet
humble yacht
lol, i can think of so many bad ways to take that 
jolly furnace
The Didact didn't lure John into the planet, he just opened the doors - gravity ...
I don't even think Didact did that, I think requeim itself just scanned the ship and then him and opened cos reclaimer status
humble yacht
the requiem scan appears to be Didact's scan
vague scroll
that could be the case, I'm not going to say my thought on it is a fact, the high level scan though with an orange hue that's distinct to the Didact makes it seem like he had a role in it
humble yacht
sense we see the Mantle's Approach use the same scan
it's apparent that even when Didact was trapped in the cryptum, he was awake and had some access to requiem's systems
west silo
The planet just really liked orange
vague scroll
now, I'm also not saying it's definitely the Didact but from a visual storytelling perspective, the easiest way to distinguish different intent or people is through color
jolly furnace
the requiem scan appears to be Didact's scan
Requiem is forerunner promethean world. It uses orange in its design
humble yacht
and yet all the prometheans were blue at first
vague scroll
the switch from blue to orange on the Prometheans upon his awakening is a big hint towards it
jolly furnace
Orange seems to be a fav color of prometheans
vague scroll
they were all blue until his awakening
jolly furnace
But then again forerunner lighing on stuff changes depending on whoever is using it
west silo
The blue was the librarians doing
vague scroll
exactly the point, its visual storytelling
jolly furnace
Even their armor would change color depending on mood/emotion
humble yacht
it's not that shocking that didact could have accessed the scanning network of requiem and used it to let chief in
west silo
And cortana also uses orange
jolly furnace
we don;t know ultimately
vague scroll
cortana never uses orange?
jolly furnace
and it doesnt really matter
humble yacht
especially when Didact starts using infinity's signal against chief immediately
west silo
5 ?
jolly furnace
Didact is lucky MC even arrived
vague scroll
Promethean default color is orange as KH said
west silo
Aren't the prometheans orange in 5?
jolly furnace
Promethean default color is orange as KH said
I don't know actually. It just seems they like orange on Requeim
humble yacht
yes they are orange in 5, but one could argue that the orange color denotes warrior-servant alignment while blue could denote builder or lifeworker alignment
west silo
And requiem is a warrior servant planet
vague scroll
it's all accurate observations, from simplest to most complex
west silo
Thus orange
vague scroll
I was just wondering when Cortana 'personally' used orange
jolly furnace
Colors change on same locations from 4in SO
humble yacht
at the end of the day, we don't know whether didact initiated the scans of FoD when chief first arrived
it could go either way
jolly furnace
Regardless didact can thank MB for MC being at Requiem probably
humble yacht
forerunner stuff is naturally attracted to Reclaimers, but at the same time, Didact would be very happy to bring a reclaimer into the planet
vague scroll
I'll refrain from adding any other comments, I think Chimera sums it up well enough and I think I'm actually only confusing/complicating it now...
jolly furnace
Oddly the earlier version of his awakening implies he didn't know MC was there intially
And only realized after he starts addressing Sangheili
humble yacht
the scan that opened the planet would have alerted Didact to chief's presence even if he didn't initiate it
that's how didact knew to mess with the terminal they were looking at
jolly furnace
Yah hence weird if the prior were similar or the same regarding Infinity's signal use
west silo
Why was didact scanning infinity when it crashed?
jolly furnace
info
humble yacht
maybe he wanted to take note of how many reclaimers were on board, maybe he was scanning their engines, maybe taking note of their weapons
huh
light years?
no he didn't
jolly furnace
Closer for a better scan
jolly furnace
Spark scanned the autumn from light years away
Spark was using Halo's scanners
humble yacht
343 only sent them that message after they exited slipspace
jolly furnace
Didact had only a cryptum
humble yacht
they weren't lightyears away, the ring was in visual distance
west silo
He scanned all of human history
jolly furnace
on the ship
west silo
He had them in a 1 light years warning
jolly furnace
and only recorded human history
west silo
No he scanned the ship on the halo
jolly furnace
good luck with the POA getting away 1 LY in time
west silo
While it was in space
humble yacht
yes and it wasn't 1 lightyear away in space
it was in spitting distance
they could literally see the halo through their windows
west silo
It wasn't that close
jolly furnace
Halo actually seems to windows on its exterior shell
west silo
It takes place before the opening of the game
humble yacht
we're talking 100s of kilometers at most
maybe a planet's diameter, max
nowhere near a lightyear
jolly furnace
In space if you see something clearly from ur window, you are close to it
winged needle
Question: is Red Vs Blue Cannon? Like Rooster Teeth RvB?
humble yacht
@west silo the message tells the autumn to retreat to a minimum distance of one light year from the ring
humble yacht
Not with the covenant on their tail
jolly furnace
then they were lucky
Also bridges with windows in front of ship or exposed is a bad idea
Even the ancient humans and forerunners did it
Covies were smart enough to put them in centre of ship mostly
west silo
I wouldn't call crashing on the ring lucky
But yeah chimera is right
About the safe distance thing
jolly furnace
better then being killed by Spark and halo's guns
which would have happened if he hadnt called it off
west silo
No clue about how close they were tho
jolly furnace
within 1 LY
west silo
Still weird that he just let the covenant attack his guest with out even trying to help
jolly furnace
And given u can see the ring clearly from a window, i'd say quite close
jolly furnace
Still weird that he just let the covenant attack his guest with out even trying ...
He did ask them to stop
they refused
west silo
After one crashed
west silo
And the human ship destroyed
humble yacht
The reclaimers weren’t necessary until after the flood was released
west silo
But he allowed them entrance
humble yacht
So? Doesn’t mean he had to protect them
He’s a lightbulb, he doesn’t have to follow game of thrones rules of hospitality
west silo
He was gonna blow up the POA without a sweat
But then got interested in them
And other hostile ships arrive attacking the ship he let through and he's completely fine with it
humble yacht
Or he just didn’t care
Or an entire covie fleet was too much for him to risk attacking
Vs one ship
west silo
Really?
The sentinels would probably be too much
And the POA destroyed 3 ships
All by its self
humble yacht
halos have fewer sentinels than the ark
west silo
Still has big guns
humble yacht
also the ark sentinels attacked one ship that couldn't really fight back
what big guns?
humble yacht
maybe he could have challenged the fleet with halos defenses
but why risk it when all they wanted was the human ship
west silo
How would covenant ships stop a halo?
humble yacht
who knows
west silo
How big was the fleet again?
humble yacht
maybe the threat of some damage to the installation was enough of a deterrent
vague scroll
Thel's force was much bigger than 6 ships
humble yacht
Fleet of Particular Justice was 60+ ships
west silo
Okay
humble yacht
12 ships during the battle, according to halopedia
west silo
Only 12?
vague scroll
at this point I emphasize that you're pursuing a question that was never intended to have an answer
west silo
And 4 were destroyed by the POA alone
vague scroll
regarding why 343 let the PoA or the Covenant get so close
vague scroll
who said he was scared
humble yacht
maybe spark didn't want a single scratch on his ring
vague scroll
look Chimera is trying to answer you with as many broad stroke answers as he can for your question but that just shows there's no satisfactory answer
west silo
And one was willing to break off a huge piece of his
humble yacht
like disant said, this is one of those things that doesn't have an answer
vague scroll
it's probably best not to worry about it anymore
humble yacht
just accept it
vague scroll
it's not a bad question but trying to answer it and then running back to repeated 'no's and 'maybe's begin to get out of hand, it's a nice thought exercise but I think it's trying patience
west silo
True
humble yacht
yea it seemed like you were looking for a particular answer
west silo
Now for the real question why is cortana blue
humble yacht
because she wants to be
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
bungie ignored alot of TFOR
maybe you should ask Nylund why he wrote her as blue when she was purple in the game
vague scroll
Cortana also has the most varied color palette in Halo CE and for the franchise
she bounces between purple, green, and blue through the story
west silo
It really shows the whole she was supposed to be evil thing
fringe robin
She's sometimes pink too
west silo
Like the ai from system shock
ocean ibex
Was shun space and other forms of inter-dimensional space forgotten by modern halo species?
jolly furnace
Assuming its been discovered by some in first place
Wave space is known
ONI nows knows of the ones forerunners knew from the Forerunner saga records
west silo
We're the records collected by the rubicon crew ever given to oni?
Because everyone on the ship ended up dying
steep ether
does anyone know if the eaaster egg that shows noble six in a cave is canon or is it just a random easter egg w/ no significance
ocean ibex
What
steep ether
in the final mission if u do cirtain things then after the final cutscene u can see noble six alive vibing in a cave
vague scroll
Bug, can you do everyone a favor and stop trolling?
steep ether
im not
vague scroll
the meme's literally been going for the last year and a half if not longer
steep ether
im like 98% sure thats its real
vague scroll
then you're 102% in the wrong
steep ether
bet
vague scroll
if it gets you to stop
steep ether
not a troll
vague scroll
it's a video by GeneralKidd, on April 1st, what do you think?
steep ether
idk
vague scroll
GeneralKidd is a pretty reliable youtuber, he did it as a joke
vague scroll
yeah, I hope they like their stolen bank accounts
stable flower
So the Rainforest Wars are basically Vietnam in the future.
ocean ibex
Yup
slim thorn
Every rainforest wars have potential to be like that
Unless the covies or others glass it to cinders
vague scroll
The new Point of Light design for Ace of Spades kind of worries me on a fanfiction level, seeing Forerunner tech integrated with low level characters and scenarios is kind of an odd tidal shift for the lore. In past it used to be looked on as a crazy thing, now that the canon is doing something similar, I guess it will be a new reality of seeing fanfiction stories about human warships integrated with forerunner tech. Will certainly be interesting to see.
humble yacht
ace of spades is unique because they have a forerunner crewmember who can give them benefits that other humans don't have access to
vague scroll
true, just feels like an 'opening of the floodgates' I guess, for a lack of a better analogy
unspoken permission that such things aren't to be looked on as outside the realm of disbelief within the universe anymore
beyond that, it's a really beautiful digital cover
great work by PixelFlare and can't wait to read
humble yacht
the art makes Rion look like Claire Redfield
craggy sierra
Holy crap you’re right
Also that forerunner tech thing already happened in renegades
vague scroll
I was thinking a bit towards Lara Croft but I agree with Claire actually
@craggy sierra yeah I'm aware, it's just the visual confirmation of it kind of feels like a shift change
humble yacht
she is rocking the dual pistols so I can see the lara croft too
but something about her face made me think claire first
vague scroll
maybe one day sooner rather than later, we'll be seeing modern humans with enough of an understanding of Forerunner technology that they could reach a comparative level as ancient humanity
fair hazel
Low level characters!
Honestly some of the integration is stuff I expected before
Spark looking quite good there honestly.
humble yacht
i like how the emblem on Spark's chest looks like his old Monitor eye
vague scroll
I don't mean it as an insult, just that Rion Forge starts out as a freighter captain on the frontier, to now having such a drastic change in pursuits, its a well-established call to adventure if there ever was one, now she's chasing ancient aliens and running from the government secret police
humble yacht
kinda sounds like Samus Aran
ocean ibex
ace of spades is unique because they have a forerunner crewmember who can give t...
Was it ever explained what perks they had from having spark?
fair hazel
I want a mega construx figure of Spark
vague scroll
humble beginnings to extreme galactic stakes
humble yacht
Was it ever explained what perks they had from having spark?
well if you look at the ship, looks like forerunner improvements
fair hazel
When is the mega construx ace of spades with Spark, Rion and crew coming?
humble yacht
never
gilded mason
based
vague scroll
from what I've read on Ace of Spades, it was able to fly past the Earth defense grid without setting off any alarm
looks like its got integrated dazzler technology from the Forerunners
vague scroll
it certainly doesn't jump out at you as Reach at first but I've warmed up to the idea quickly
humble yacht
The way SoR described the portal, I thought the machine shot a beam up into the air and made a huge spherical portal like the one at voi
fair hazel
The sky does look like the way i imagined it in my head
cedar surge
Wasn't expecting it to tie into a map
vague scroll
well Voi was more of a giant hurricane with a flat portal at the center
this feels more... right somehow
humble yacht
The voi portal wasn’t flat
vague scroll
I'll need to look again then, my memory is failing me
gilded mason
It's spherical, yeah
vague scroll
yep my memory failed me, sorry guys
gilded mason
Time to be punished. 🙂
vague scroll
please no 😢
fair hazel
now which direction is menachite mountain
craggy sierra
Time to make the sddt tags go boom and see if it’s there.
west silo
Not gonna lie I love the art for the new upcoming book
But the girl looks like something ripped out of COD blackops or MW
Is that supposed to be rion?
humble yacht
Who else
west silo
She looks different
Or maybe it's because of the mass effect style armor she wore on the cover of renegades
humble yacht
Her hair color changed
cedar surge
The front of the ace of spades reminds me of the SoF a bit
west silo
I think its because we never saw the front on the book
Only the back and sides
Anyways am glad we have Kelly back
Think this story will take place after 5?or a little before?
The last time we saw them it was a month before the events of 4
cedar surge
Also they are fighting ONI for some reason
Havnt read any of their books
So it looks like by that time ONI still has a bunch of power
Well
More like some
vague scroll
it's set in August 2558, 2 months before Halo 5-ish
they picked a fight with ONI in renegades by going to Earth
cedar surge
What's wrong with that
unique rune
The nose of the Ace of Spades looks kinda like it's made of plastic building bricks on that art.
junior dome
So High Noon really was where SoR ended
west silo
And they kinda wants to kill the crew
cedar surge
Oh wait
The nose
Its almost looks like the first order dropship when we first see them
west silo
Holy hell it does
Oh yeah and oni wants there ship because forerunner stuff
And they have the closest thing to a forerunner that is helping them
Tho spark is hiding something
Potentially dangerous
cedar surge
Well in a galaxy with a forerunner superweapon behind every corner one touch away from activation perhaps there is a reason to be cautious
west silo
Yeah but oni isn't really subtle
Stealing an entire warehouse overnight is really noticeable
cedar surge
They did what
west silo
They stole an entire warehouse
It was hilarious
They also put trackers in the crew that were so unnoticeable they had to get a jackal to remove it
Oh they also sent a unarmed or armored Spartan team to kidnap someone
Anyone else find it funny that the Spartans had no idea what a harvester was
cedar surge
Well Apprently since cameras and drones don't exist anyone who saw one got killed. Or was that liches
cedar surge
Sometimes covenant designers just can't think of completely new designs every time
calm zinc
obsidian thistle
Well Halo Evolutions was split into two volumes. Both with 1 extra story in them.
And there was a more Forerunner focused "Halo: Fractures" @calm zinc that may take your fancy.
Some pretty good stories in that.
Halo: Shadow of Intent is a fav of mine.
west silo
Covenant POV are always welcomed
Especially when it allows us to see some aspects of there society
gilded mason
👆
west silo
The little tidbits about grunt society in badblood and legacy of onyx was pretty cool
Like grunts creating there society underground
Does that mean the grunts are the locusts of the halo universe?
vague scroll
they have more in common with crabs than any other terrestrial species
west silo
I see it as more a combination of crabs and monkeys
vague scroll
that would be a fair comparison yeah
vague scroll
no, the UNSC do
Unggoy is the official name for them as a species and what the Covenant call them
ocean ibex
So, if the forerunners are from the planet ghibalb, would they be called, ghibalbians
vague scroll
no, that's not how it would work
humans aren't called "Earthians" are they?
Unggoy aren't from the planet Unggoy, they're from the planet Balaho
and in lore Forerunners are specifically known as 'Forerunners' even calling themselves that
tacky yes, but also consistent
ocean ibex
Didn’t they have a scientific name before “forerunner”?
vague scroll
latin names are not official designations
they're scientific designations for the purpose of taxonomy cataloging
despite the fact that latin taxonomy doesn't work for anything outside the Earth biosphere in real life...
versed helm
Well it does now 🥳
fair hazel
Is there no halo renegades wide image?
obsidian thistle
I think it was made to be the size it was this time @fair hazel.
vague scroll
erickyboo, I checked my paperback of Renegades, it's just a plain background - dark gray/blueish metal stylized with Forerunner furnishings - there's nothing interesting to see
stable flower
I may have said this before but the pre-UNSC and early UNSC eras are criminally underexplored.
craggy sierra
What? The eras that have like zero relevance to the Halo universe right now?
stable flower
What about the Covenant's civil conflicts (Taming of the Hunters, Grunt Disobediences, etc.)?
The only human history we see are the prehistoric humans.
craggy sierra
Probably more amusing than just us trying to figure out FTL travel but also ultimately not that important.
Also like all of those were covered in the H2A terminals anyways
Well that’s probably because our history is kinda bland.
Like we figured out FTL, took to the skies and colonized a bunch of places. Literally every character you could place in those storied would be long dead by now if not even the planets themselves by glassing.
The one major source of conflict revolving around us taking to the skies has been relatively explored. That’s the insurrection.
stable flower
I just wanna see the Koslovics and Friedens explored more. I imagine they would have powerful military and political wings like the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Ealem (who had their own police force), which would explain how they could wage war across the Sol system.
ocean ibex
Nah, I wanna see a time lapse of onyx being built
versed helm
I wanna see Ur and Iso chilling and having the Forerunner equivalent of coffee, for some reason
stable flower
What if the UEG demilitarized between the 22nd-century and 25th-century?
sterile crescent
im pretty new to halo so im not really sure about the deeper lore
is it canon that the humans train with the elites
after halo 5 events?
gilded mason
And before H5 as well.
sterile crescent
would they be considered allies
gilded mason
If they're in the SoS, yes
sterile crescent
something like previously axis and allied countries right now
?
I feel like if the human elite alliance continues at the end of halo infinite there should be a dedicated memorial-ish cutscene
basically a joint war cemetery or something like that
?
My opinion i would like to hear your thoughts on this.
gilded mason
To specify, the alliance is the UEG with the Swords of Sanghelios, not all humans and all Elites. As for the cutscene, feels like it might just be a retread of H3's ending.
sterile crescent
yes something like that, and yeah i kinda get it now
ocean ibex
What if the UEG demilitarized between the 22nd-century and 25th-century?
What, the UEG doesn’t deal with that kind of stuff
stable flower
I mean they went 300 years without an enemy to fight
ocean ibex
That’s entirely why the unsc exists...
slim thorn
Can we discuss this at #485883236430512168 ?
My first impression to see Rion is like a Sci-fi Resident Evil
versed helm
Who's Rion?
slim thorn
Sergeant forge's daughter
slim thorn
She was around a child when Forge was reassigned to SoF
So +28 years of disappearance
Make it early 30s
slim thorn
SoF disappeared for 28 years
and she just start her hunt around 2557 iirc
Ace of Spades probably is the most advanced UNSC ship if it was on the military list
Infinity doesn't even have hard-light bonding iirc
thorny wren
Someone ask me lore questions I’m bored
slim thorn
Then I can ask why the Spartans can be an XO on the UNSC Starships
Like why Jerome and Palmer can be an XO on both SoF and Infinity
tardy blade
What happened to the Prometheans after halo 5
west silo
Enforcing cortana's galactic rule over the galaxy
lean karma
What do we know about what the covanant was up to during earth WWII? Im so curious what an ancient covanant would be like (besides the rough glimpse we get in "The Dual" thing from halo legends
silver kernel
problably killing a planet
craggy sierra
H2A terminals cover some specific events from their past
No specific dates given but they’re all like hundreds of years before the game I think.
versed helm
The war between the Sangheili and the San Shyum
cedar surge
Yes
fair hazel
My first impression to see Rion is like a Sci-fi Resident Evil
No. Here. Once the book comes closer with actual spoilers then yes. But not now.
slim thorn
Ah, okay then.
Is it possible 343 hire an RE illustrator?
Because of the 1st impression on Rion that looks like Claire from RE 2 remake
hexed ermine
IIRC, they hired a fanartist for this one?
gilded mason
PixelFlare, yeah
hexed ermine
Poor Rion.
I need to read the books. I'm interested in Forge's daughter.
She had to be a baby for HW1.
And man! That's some of the fascinating stuff about scifi stories. Cryo, and how that can impact interpersonal and familial relationships.
"Hi Rion, you're all grown up, huh? That's cool. I was uh... at your baby-shower last week, before Harvest and Arcadia went down..."
stable flower
That’s entirely why the unsc exists...
To fight nothing?
vague scroll
@stable flower I skimmed that previous discussion, the thing about the UNSC is that it was in fact busy fighting wars through the 3 centuries between the Covenant War and the Interplanetary War/Rainforest Wars
west silo
War war never change
vague scroll
you got the formation of the UNSC/UEG between 2170 and 2178, the creation of slipspace technology around 2291, the first big colonial efforts around 2362, the Inner Colony Wars at some point after, and then the Insurrection in the late 2490s
you're seeing a major human conflict almost every hundred years or so and doesn't even address the many much smaller conflicts you would expect to be rather normal in between them
west silo
So any idea how the nightengale works?
vague scroll
also there's the pattern that after every major expansion attempt by humans into the stars, it's followed by a major human conflict
vague scroll
So any idea how the nightengale works?
expand on your question, I'm not sure I follow
west silo
The vehicle from HW2 that can heal units
west silo
The healing part
vague scroll
well, fundamentally it's a gameplay mechanic and shouldn't be taken as a canonical face value - there's the other special weapons that drain health points that doesn't have a good explanation either but I digress
basically what I recall about the nightingale is the use of armor repair nanites or something of that mindset
vague scroll
it was, but the weapon could still exist in canon, just for a different purpose
exactly
west silo
But the nightingale is a healing unit
It has no other function
Not even a weapon
Plus it uses the drones to heal some maybe they have some special medical tech
vague scroll
right but its a support unit that maintains a small drone repair fleet
west silo
Maybe it just repairs vehicles?
vague scroll
well then you've just answered your own question
vague scroll
seems so, yes
west silo
It seems criminal that they don't use them that much
Are engineers noted as rare on the battlefield or something?
vague scroll
if you're not referring to huragok, that's a gameplay thing only
west silo
The huragok
vague scroll
huragok are Forerunner biological machines and are quite rare
vague scroll
not really the point, they don't serve the Covenant because they want to - they're not going to reproduce just because the Covenant wants them to
gilded mason
I dunno if they're all that rare. If thousands can be in one ship, and one is given to a 5-man Jackal ship, then they don't seem all that short in supply.
west silo
Just let the covenant rust for all they care
vague scroll
they're rare enough that they're not considered a common sight on the battlefield
gilded mason
Battlefield would be the keyword, I suppose
vague scroll
or known enough that the regular UNSC infantryman would identify them on the spot
yeah, I suppose they may be more numerous among the Covenant fleets
west silo
Weren't hunters also noted as rare.
Like it being a blessing to have a pair on the battlefield
Then again that was from the flood
ocean ibex
Isn’t each unsc warship supposed to have at least 1 engineer at all times
vague scroll
there's no rule on what UNSC warships can have huragok, in fact, there's never been any addressment on whether huragok have been on UNSC starships except the Infinity with hints to it in Halo 4
west silo
Wait where's it said that all unsc ships should have engineers?
I know the unsc wants to get engineers available on every unsc ship but I don't think they have them on all ships
vague scroll
apparently there was a plan for it, Fairly is right, I was wrong but it's really small flavor text from Thursday War and I completely missed it during my read since I'll have to say Thursday War was one of the more boring Halo novels for me
Rear Admiral Saeed Shafiq wanted Huragok on all UNSC ships by 2557, Parangosky was apprehensive on such an idea
that is all: https://www.halopedia.org/Huragok#Post-war
slim thorn
But the nightingale is a healing unit
It was canon, but the main purpose was the medical unit and evacuating the casualties.
So the weapons was non-canonical aside of its main purposes.
stable flower
So I wonder how the UNSC handles jungle warfare.
west silo
?
slim thorn
So I wonder how the UNSC handles jungle warfare.
I think it has already been explained that UNSC did excels at Guerrilla Warfare
west silo
Blow up the jungle
slim thorn
The Covenant had a tough time dealing with UNSC on Installation 04
slim thorn
Blow up the jungle
They don't want to mess with the ring, so they kick the glassing methods completely out.
west silo
Wouldn't other less powerful weapons still work?
As long as they don't cause damage to the rings systems under the surface
stable flower
There are so few instances of jungle warfare in the games. For example, 343GS in CE, Sierra 117 in Halo 3, and Infinity in Halo 4.
west silo
Does genesis count for 5?
stable flower
I guess but I never played 5 so I'm not familiar with that.
vague scroll
Genesis does not count @west silo it's very much a entirely alien biome all to itself, it has more in common with a coral reef than a forest
west silo
Isn't a ring also a alien biome ?
And 343GS counts
Wouldn't the mesa in onyx technically not count as well since that is also an alien planet?
humble yacht
Isn't a ring also a alien biome ?
not really? all the biomes on the ring mimic different biomes found on earth, so there's nothing that alien about them
vague scroll
343 Guilty Spark was more swamp than jungle, the remake gave it a more rainforest look
gilded mason
the remake gave it a more rainforest look with the remaster
😔
vague scroll
I phrased that weird sorry
gilded mason
Hm? I understood you
vague scroll
oh, I read your emoji wrong then lol
gilded mason
I'm just lamenting CEA doing that to the level
vague scroll
yeah it does kind of take away from the dread feeling of the level layout
too much light
stable flower
Well, any type of warfare in a woodland environment falls under jungle warfare (even if it's not actually a jungle), sorta like how any type of warfare against irregular forces falls under counter-insurgency (even if the "insurgents" in question aren't actually insurgents).
paper coyote
what do you think the dumbest thing and I mean the dummmmmest thing in the entirety of the halo universe is?
humble yacht
depends on what you mean by dumb
west silo
Kilo 5 trilogy
And halo not affecting animals
Or brutes apparently
And elites can't build barns!!!!
Or swim
gilded mason
Or brutes apparently
brutes not sentient confirmed
humble yacht
And halo not affecting animals
where did it say Halos don't affect animals?
gilded mason
Hunters in the Dark
humble yacht
it never said they survived the halo
gilded mason
It did, actually
west silo
We had that convo like a week ago
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
it said that tragic solitude made them from gene seeds on the ark and modified them to be able to control them
west silo
The other reason
gilded mason
“The Ark isn’t just a manufacturing plant for Halo rings. It was used as a sanctuary for life found across the galaxy, not just sentient life but species that depended on sentient creatures for their survival, whether for care or food or whatever.”
“You are saying,” N’tho attempted to clarify, “that the Forerunners kept the natural predators of sentient species on the Ark so they wouldn’t go extinct when the sentient beings on their own world suddenly died off?”
“Yes, they were trying to save entire ecosystems, not just sentient beings, whenever the Halo was activated. If they save a sentient being but return it to a world that is in the throes of ecological collapse, then no one wins.”
humble yacht
that's not specifically saying they survived the pulse
gilded mason
It does.
humble yacht
it doesn't
west silo
Actually no
gilded mason
the Forerunners kept the natural predators of sentient species on the Ark so they wouldn’t go extinct when the sentient beings on their own world suddenly died off?
west silo
Wait ostral
gilded mason
This line specifically
west silo
It says they return them to their world
humble yacht
that could mean the gene seeds of those organisms
gilded mason
so they wouldn’t go extinct when the sentient beings on their own world suddenly died off?
"Died off"
humble yacht
another way of saying going extinct
gilded mason
No, as in killed by the pulse
humble yacht
it'd be pointless to hold live samples of predators on the ark without also having live samples of the prey there for them to eat
humble yacht
there was no telling how long they would be on the ark, for one thing
west silo
The reason itself is horribly planed out
humble yacht
and for another, there was no telling how long the repopulation would take
stable flower
A notable dumb thing in Halo would be Truth leaving Mercy behind to die and he lives long enough to tell MC where Truth is going.
humble yacht
those samples could have very well died waiting to be transported back
i think this was just a poorly written passage that is contradicted by pretty much every other piece of lore
it's also ultimately speculation by the characters on the motivations and actions of the forerunners, not a direct statement from someone who actually performed those actions
and we know they've gotten stuff wrong before about the forerunners
gilded mason
The way the line is said looks like a "word of god" to me
humble yacht
"word of god" would be something said by the narrator, not a character
characters are fallible in their knowledge
gilded mason
As in, the author is saying the "truth" through a character
humble yacht
it doesn't read that way to me
gilded mason
Okay.
humble yacht
but even if it did, authors have gotten things wrong before
gilded mason
I know. I never said the author of this was right in his assertions
scarlet topaz
Why is the UNSC Infinity so special? The covenant had thousands of ships the size of Infinity and ships like The long nigh of solance.
versed helm
Because the infinity was way head of every single ship
gilded mason
Because the UNSC built it and they're big boys thank-you-very-much
stable flower
what do you think the dumbest thing and I mean the dummmmmest thing in the entir...
It would be how the UNSC doesn't have force fields on their ships after 400 years of existence.
versed helm
Plus Halsey help build it
humble yacht
It would be how the UNSC doesn't have force fields on their ships after 400 year...
They do tho
scarlet topaz
Its not that big compared too what the covenant has
stable flower
It's humanity prized achievement
humble yacht
Sabers and broadswords have shields
stable flower
I mean prior to the Covenant war
west silo
No but it's really powerful
versed helm
No for what
scarlet topaz
Bcs it has forerunner tech?
scarlet topaz
Makes sens xD
west silo
Like FTL speeds
It's shields can also handle a supernova for a couple seconds
But am not going to go there
stable flower
BTW did they explain why vehicles and vessels in Jul's Covenant have green gravity engines?
scarlet topaz
Yeah like 343 changed everything'll for no good reason or explanation
gilded mason
Storm harness
west silo
It doesn't even provide any benefits
scarlet topaz
Arbiter is the best example
scarlet topaz
Everyone thought the elites changed bcs of a differnt subspecies. but arbie changed too so it makes no sens
cedar surge
In lore arby is the same
west silo
Could have just waited for him to reach the infinity then change the armor
cedar surge
In game was to save resources and time
scarlet topaz
Yeah in lore everything is the same before halo 4 for me
stable flower
I get the post-war UNSC weapons being on FUD in Halo 4 as being for gameplay reasons, but then they use post-war designs in media set during the war.
humble yacht
Budget and time reasons
scarlet topaz
I always like too imagine chief is still in cryosleep xD
west silo
So using it for the fall of reach animation?
cedar surge
It's more efficient to use the post war designs and be less lore friendly than use accurate designs you see a few times like once or twice
west silo
Bruh the animation wasn't even about the fall of reach
More like the first chapters of reach
stable flower
Like in Something Has Happened, Jerome has a BR85.
west silo
The grunt and elites
cedar surge
Atp you mean in like HW2?
scarlet topaz
The weirdest thing for me was that they took alot of designs from halo reach, but that game was way before halo 4 so i dont understand why they just didt take the designs from halo 3
cedar surge
Cause Isabel have them new designs
stable flower
No I'm talking about the Tales From Slipspace story
west silo
Actually in a comic
cedar surge
Huh
stable flower
FoR animated Covenant wearing post-war Jul's Covenant armor lol
west silo
Set before they reach the ark
cedar surge
Before isabel
stable flower
They'll probably try and make up an excuse like "It's a prototype"
cedar surge
Everything is a prototype
west silo
Even humans
cedar surge
Best excuse there is
stable flower
Treyarch used it for the anachronistic weapons in COD Black Ops 1
west silo
Remember the excuse for halo collateral damage?
cedar surge
What happened there
west silo
That the armors were just a prototype
Despite the armors just being given to the Spartans less than a week ago
And the armors were expensive as hell
cedar surge
You see we give our troops inferior armor until its lore accurate again because its a prototype
scarlet topaz
There explanation (Excuse) for the change in armor for chief between halo 3 and 4 was bcs of microbots 🤣
cedar surge
Oh yea that
west silo
Nanomachines son!!!!!!
stable flower
Also Spartans had shields in HW1 despite Mark IV not having shields, but it's for gameplay reasons.
west silo
That is passable
stable flower
They pulled The Maw on the FUD
scarlet topaz
The maw?
west silo
Its because the original isn't that big
So they used a different model
The FUD is still the same
Just looks different in 4 because model
gilded mason
Though if there wasn't outcry, they would have kept the redesign canon
scarlet topaz
Bcs of map reasons basically?
west silo
That worse
gilded mason
Since the art book (or whichever book it was) made fun of the FUD's original design and said it was boring, which is why they wanted to spice it up.
stable flower
BTW about the weapons, dunno why they put M739 SAWs on FUD.
scarlet topaz
Yeah or the br
west silo
Whats next the 4 suit was the one John wore in every game
stable flower
Though they could be M247s canonically
west silo
Every elites mouth was always trying to eat there face
cedar surge
They made fun of the FuD and made a worse ship
stable flower
It tickles me how the FUD's wreckage is found all over the Requiem level, even in a freaking cave
west silo
The biggest thing is that non of the changes are even noticed
No one says a thing about chiefs new armor
Is that armor even on the level of the new gen 2?
humble yacht
None of those people saw his old armor
west silo
Bruh isn't there like pictures and propaganda posters of the old armor?
vague scroll
Frank O'Connor gave the nanomachines explanation as a throwaway line, 343i had no intent for people to read this far into an armor redesign - it's just a different artstyle and they gave it some flavor text because people complained
it's really not worth complaining about
vague scroll
no, FUD in Halo 4 is a matter of asset reuse/style change/map design circumstances
west silo
They treated the series like a reboot
vague scroll
it might as well be
cedar surge
Stuff getting their look entirely changed for no reason is annoying
vague scroll
new company, new look
west silo
Instead of a sequel
unique rune
I mean. All of the retcon stuff came after the game was developed and written. If there hadn't been concerns with why stuff was different I can't imagine we would've gotten the silly "nanomachines" excuse.
west silo
Change everything
vague scroll
hey, they caved to these complaints a long time ago? What's the point in complaining 10 years later?
west silo
For no good reason
humble yacht
Sounds like crude ranting to me
west silo
The lore drought sucks and there is really nothing better to talk about
vague scroll
"lore drought"
unique rune
If Halo 4 was taken as intended, no one would notice that the Forward Unto Dawn was different because I'm sure the idea was that that was how it always looked canonically. Same with Chief's redesigned armor.
west silo
Bruh I say they as someone who likes 343
cedar surge
Well its 5 years and there's been like 3 books
vague scroll
what kind of nonsense are you living
cedar surge
In 5 years there's been like 3 books announced
vague scroll
Bad Blood, Legacy of Onyx, Battleborn, Meridian Divide, Shadows of Reach, Oblivion, Silent Storm
south mantle
Hey new to this halo server. I have a channel use question..
vague scroll
yeah 3 books I'll believe it when pigs fly
cedar surge
Is it about the suit
vague scroll
Hey new to this halo server. I have a channel use question..
go ahead ask, ignore the fight taking place
unique rune
Bro cod has a new game out every 3 months
And everyone dogpiles on CoD for being basically the same game every time, what's your point?
cedar surge
Cause no it doesn't preform that function
unique rune
So... I'm still not getting your point here.
cedar surge
Doesn't mean that's necessarily good though
humble yacht
Cod isn’t relevant to halo lore
west silo
Only BOps 4 got some complaints
vague scroll
I named 7 novels, doesn't even address the two source books we got since Halo 5's launch
west silo
And that's because it had no story
stable flower
Black Ops 4 was what I like to call an "excuse game"
cedar surge
Ok tide
vague scroll
or that we've got a new game, a tv show coming
cedar surge
Also
humble yacht
Let’s keep it on halo, please and thanks
cedar surge
That's the distance tide
unique rune
I'm still not getting what CoD's release schedule has to do with this supposed "lore drought".
west silo
Yeah ok
cedar surge
That's the goal line
stable flower
They made it because they merely needed an excuse to have a COD game in 2018. Anyways, back to Halo.
south mantle
Lol so this channel here, what are the restrictions? I'm on another Halo server where I help write lore posts every so often, more long length analysis posts to discuss. I'd love to post them here too when I write them to get more interaction outside of Halo Headquarters, but I don't know if this channel is purely for short length messages? In short is posting little lore rants here ok?
west silo
Mostly I mean there is barely any info on infinite
unique rune
a tv show coming
Ah, the days of when the show was intended to launch alongside Halo 5...
vague scroll
@south mantle no foul language, no arguing with admins/mods, no inappropriate discussion
stable flower
I'd like to see MC wear Mark 7
west silo
The most ambitious halo title ever
cedar surge
You can pretty much talk about anything as long as its appropriate and about the lore
west silo
And no cursing
south mantle
<@!477161670356107274> no foul language, no arguing with admins/mods, no inappro...
Thank you, I meant lore specifically, other than general rules. 🙂
cedar surge
Any lore really
humble yacht
Lol so this channel here, what are the restrictions? I'm on another Halo server ...
You can post long messages but they might get skipped over
south mantle
I am a good Catholic girl. You won't catch me swearing. 😄
west silo
Well anything lore related
vague scroll
don't ask about the meme'd suit picture from reddit pretending to be in the Fall of Reach
humble yacht
People have issues with walls of text
west silo
Except for PMS
cedar surge
That's false
vague scroll
the one about the suit doing stuff to Spartans
exactly, it's false don't need to discuss it further
cedar surge
Can that be forgotten pls
west silo
Why did anyone even ask that
vague scroll
because people still belive it @west silo
west silo
Not that
cedar surge
Because somebody put too much effort and now its a curse
south mantle
Good to know, lol ok I'll cut the lore posts down. If they get looked over it's fine I'm lore master on another server I just wanted to join the official halo server too because, well I have no idea how I hadn't before. 🙂
unique rune
Why did anyone even ask that
Because some people feel the need to be insensitive for no particular reason.
humble yacht
People can take the lore seriously so don’t take an argument or differing opinion personally
vague scroll
it's not about being insensitive, just that they feel they can get away with nonsense or trolling
stable flower
I asked something like that about Palmer a few days ago and got a warning
west silo
I don't think they had any bad intentions about it
south mantle
Oh trust me I'm not sensitive I've gotten ranted at before. I welcome it.
humble yacht
Like I think elites suck, and ostral hates that
unique rune
Need to get back to reading Shadows of Reach but ugh finals next week...
cedar surge
Why do you think they suck?
west silo
I like 4s story and most people hate that
humble yacht
Most people like it
cedar surge
I think they are the best aliens
humble yacht
Halo 4 story is one of the most well received
west silo
Hunters are the best
cedar surge
Strange way of spelling skirmishers
west silo
Most undeveloped characters
stable flower
The Taming of the Hunters says all
humble yacht
Skirmishes look like evolved jackals
cedar surge
Exactly
humble yacht
Like how Dinos evolved into birds
cedar surge
Though they somehow cane from the moon
stable flower
I wish Skirmishers would make a return already
stable flower
The Banished should use them in Infinite
cedar surge
Hope so
west silo
Maybe
cedar surge
Also the skirmishers are related to the jackals but came from the moon
Which is wierd
west silo
We also hope AR get a grenade launcher
vague scroll
they also appeared in Escalation and several other small cameos @stable flower
west silo
Also in the rise of atriox
cedar surge
Jackals got the most love in escalations
stable flower
Yeah that one Elite ran a mercenary group with a Skirmisher in it
cedar surge
Og elites best elites
unique rune
Also the skirmishers are related to the jackals but came from the moon
Which is wierd
I mean, is it really that weird? All it means that a group of Kig-Yar colonized Eayn's moon and selection just did the job from that point.
west silo
They could roll
vague scroll
sigh what the heck is a "OG elite" we've seen like 4 different designs over the years?
versed helm
@humble yacht I agree
west silo
The classic
vague scroll
and not withstanding, the comics often show multiple variants together
"the classic" is no more descriptive than "OG"
west silo
The ones who look beautiful
vague scroll
still not ringing a bell
gilded mason
The CE boys. 😎
west silo
Like 1 2 and 3 and HW1 and 2
vague scroll
low-poli lizard in moon shoes
west silo
Still better than 5 elites
gilded mason
u hate 'em 'cause you ain't 'em
stable flower
Anyways, Arbiters seem to be the Covenant's counter-insurgency commanders.
cedar surge
Are they commanders really?
west silo
Because there mouths aren't trying to eat its face
humble yacht
Ostral your son will be born a hesduros elite
vague scroll
more like people are rather opinionated to a fault on this that is rather trivial
gilded mason
wude, chim. wude
west silo
Wort
cedar surge
In 2 it was Rtas who was controlling all the forces
vague scroll
Arbiters aren't Covenant COIN commanders
cedar surge
Coin?
unique rune
Anyways, Arbiters seem to be the Covenant's counter-insurgency commanders.
More like "this guy thinks too much for himself, he needs to shut up".
vague scroll
they're sacrificial lambs going to die a final death
COIN's the US military acronym for counter-insurgency
stable flower
I mean they fought in all the rebellions.
west silo
Ahhhhh
stable flower
It's a high Elite rank though
cedar surge
He was bassucally the closest to a elite demigod
vague scroll
in traditional Sangheili culture, the Arbiter was the highest military order
cedar surge
Till a arbiter tried to rebel
west silo
Dies on his first real appearance
stable flower
I wonder how the hell the Grunts managed to kill an Arbiter though
west silo
Numbers
cedar surge
They did what
vague scroll
under the prophets, they're just disgraced zealots told to go die a good death
unique rune
...When?
vague scroll
they have no political power in the actual Covenant
cedar surge
Zealot v2
west silo
But when
vague scroll
when I say "Zealot" I don't mean the rank @cedar surge
stable flower
One of those terminals shows one dying in I think the 16th Grunt Disobedience
vague scroll
I mean the actual word, they're blind religious zealots sent off to die a good death
west silo
Nah he glassed there planet
vague scroll
they have nothing more left to offer Covenant culture
cedar surge
Well grunts are tough
unique rune
There was an Arbiter appointed for the purpose of bringing the Unggoy rebellion to an end, but I don't recall any incidents where Unggoy killed an Arbiter.
cedar surge
They can rip off arms of a spartan
west silo
Sholt is a perfect example
cedar surge
And did heavy damage in their first rebellion
south mantle
Next time you watch Forward Unto Dawn there are certain things worth keeping an eye out for, as the Halo Universe has grown and expanded there are a lot more things you can learn about and appreciate that have ties to that story. For instance one of my favorite character studies in the Halo Universe has to be Michael "Sully" Sullivan, one of the the three students to escape Corbulo Military Academy with the Master Chief. I don't know how much you guys know about his back story or what he became, but honestly it's such a great character study on the effect of fear on people.
cedar surge
That's 1 arbiter vs dozens to maybe hundreds of grunts
stable flower
It's funny how Grunts started sixteen rebellions but then they fight for both sides during the Great Schism.
vague scroll
he went on to become the ONI Senior Director of Communications @south mantle
west silo
Because some really believe in the great journey
vague scroll
he's also kind of a unhinged individual
west silo
And are pretty much slaves
cedar surge
If all grunts did a rebellion the covenant could or may crack
gilded mason
Sully's kind of a jerk.
cedar surge
Monster inc?
west silo
Glass there planet again
vague scroll
you kind of have to be a jerk to rise high up in ONI
cedar surge
How so
west silo
Halsey is a perfect example
west silo
So is osman
vague scroll
tell me, of all the ONI officers that you've seen, how many are good people?
west silo
Paragonksy
gilded mason
Uh. Dare?