#lore-and-universe

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cedar surge
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It was really only the SoS

west silo
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It gets funnier when humans aren't allowed on elite worlds

gilded mason
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@versed helm
I mean specifically the refugees

versed helm
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swords of sangheili? aren't they the arbiter's boys?

west silo
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Yes

cedar surge
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Swords of sanghellios

versed helm
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oh right

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misread

muted creek
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Yeah but there's the saying that not all of them are bad, the jackals and grunts though have to be just hated

cedar surge
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Not all jackals and grunts are bad

west silo
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Grunts aren't hated

gilded mason
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Jackals are good boys

cedar surge
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No cursing

versed helm
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the jackals are all pirates arent they?

west silo
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And jackals work with humans

muted creek
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Bro all jackals are bad, they are thugs and savages

gilded mason
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the jackals are all pirates arent they?
aaaaaa

cedar surge
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Not all of them

west silo
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There not that bad

ocean ibex
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Stolt literally beat the crap out of an unnamed spartan 3

cedar surge
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Its speciesofhats all over again

west silo
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It was a 4

gilded mason
west silo
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3s have there dignity

cedar surge
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Just like not all humans are the same goes gor other species

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Not all brutes are blood thirsting majiacs

gilded mason
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Just like not all humans are the same goes gor other species```
👆 👆 👆 👆
ocean ibex
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Ahh, I must’ve read something wrong

west silo
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Or all elites are honor bound morons

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And can't build barns

gilded mason
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Th-That can't build barns

muted creek
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I think your pushing human emotions onto jackals, something very dangerous

west silo
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Or swim

gilded mason
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Beat me to it

cedar surge
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Or grunts are stupid methane breathing crab monkeys

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No

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They are not all pirates

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Not all of them are thugs

ocean ibex
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All covenant species are physically superior to humans

cedar surge
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I'm not pushing anything

west silo
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Yes

cedar surge
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Its common sense

gilded mason
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Ye

west silo
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Except the ones in night fall

cedar surge
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They are not a hive mind

west silo
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The star trek looking ones

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With the humans body

muted creek
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Jackals man, tell me one good thing about them

west silo
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There raptors

cedar surge
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Beuriful feathers

muted creek
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even brutes have some honor

west silo
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Great sniper

gilded mason
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Jackals man, tell me one good thing about them```
They're cute
ocean ibex
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They’re delicious

west silo
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Mhhhhmmm

cedar surge
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Jackals do not all feel the same

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Some of them even felt bad having to betray their human friends in the Cole protocol

west silo
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They were basically forced to

cedar surge
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They are not a hive mind

west silo
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Then again they were gonna genocide the grunts

gilded mason
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Some were, at least

west silo
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Sterile the race

cedar surge
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I really hate The species of hats trope

gilded mason
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Same

west silo
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Me too

cedar surge
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Where a whole species must have one personality

west silo
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Like the kilgans from star trek

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That's what there called?

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Then again almost all San shyuum are manipulating evil old guys

ocean ibex
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Nope, they’re just shells of their former species

west silo
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I say almost because there was a nice one in halo broken circle

west silo
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As in the ones from warhammer

fallow girder
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Spartan?!?

ocean ibex
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Nope, again their ancient ancestors were very noble and physically superior to most other species

west silo
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No

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They were even called manipulator by spark

gilded mason
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I imagine most were just beaurocrats just going about their lives.

cedar surge
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Well in Rtas book one realised the error of his way acredeemed himself

west silo
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He even stated they've always been very good manipulators

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Him too good

gilded mason
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Spark is just a racist

west silo
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Spark is a computer

gilded mason
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A racist computer

west silo
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So is cortana

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"But she's not evil"

gilded mason
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I don't recall any examples of that, but I believe you.

versed helm
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spark is like that tay ai

gilded mason
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lol

gilded mason
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I meatn regarding her being racist

west silo
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Cortana and here ais ruling the galaxy

gilded mason
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Ah, actually, just realized what ya meant

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Agreed

west silo
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She's not outright racist I was just making a joke

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No one in halo is really racist

gilded mason
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I am

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😎

west silo
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Your not in halo

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Just an OC

gilded mason
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True

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In that case, there's a new 1st place winner

west silo
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The didact

gilded mason
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You know him. You hate him.

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Vaz

west silo
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Far cry 3?

gilded mason
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From Kilo-5

west silo
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Ewwwwwwwwww

gilded mason
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Eyup

west silo
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So what's your favorite book in that trilogy?

gilded mason
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Uh

cedar surge
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"They should fear us"

west silo
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Gotta be something

cedar surge
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I like the book where the pain ends

west silo
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The ending

gilded mason
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Maybe Mortal Dictata, if only because there's no more stupid as heck destabilization plot. Though there's still other dumb stuff in it

cedar surge
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"He is justified mass killing billions of people because ONI took his daughter"

gilded mason
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As well as trying to rewrite canon just so Halsey can be hated more.

west silo
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Mahhh daughter

cedar surge
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Yes because one man in a dinky winky covenant ship could kill all of earth

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"Genocide is good as long as the guys I like are doing it"

west silo
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You know mortal dictata reminds me of the plot of sonic adventure 2

gilded mason
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That reminds me...

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I love this Halsey sass from Shadows of Reach

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Halsey’s natural limb had been amputated a year and a half earlier, after she was wounded during an ONI assassination attempt ordered after Halsey dared to think for herself one time too many.

Palmer saw Halsey first and rolled her eyes in exasperation. Halsey smiled and raised her prosthetic arm in greeting. It had been Palmer—acting on orders from ONI’s commander-in-chief—who had made the shot during the unsuccessful assassination attempt. Halsey delighted in every available opportunity to remind the Spartan-IV of her failure.

cedar surge
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Waving around her prosthetic arm

west silo
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I will everyone because a few people caused the death of my daughter

cedar surge
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She seems to have forgotten commiting treason

west silo
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Man halsey is the greatest taunter ever

west silo
cedar surge
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When Palmer dies halsey is going to toss her robo arm in her grave

west silo
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Well she was trying to get the janus keys

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And stop jul

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She even gave thorn the other half

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That should have been a huge hint she was still on there side

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Then again it was serin in charge aka paragonksy's personal pet

patent tree
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hmm

slim thorn
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Well, Miranda did dual wield Shotgun and Magnum pistol. Although she never did fire any rounds of it.

versed helm
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It should be standard for what Spartans do, lol. They see mostly CQC, so it makes a lot more sense for them to employ it at the expense of accuracy

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They’ll be scoring precision headshots either way

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I’m still petty about Reach abandoning it all together. It was acceptable for ODST (they had to make it somewhat less Spartan-like), but why Reach? Why did 343 continue the trend?

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Kids really are geniuses sometimes. Not that they should cater to them (after all, I loved the idea of playing a mature game like Halo), but they are on the mark with their desires to fly Pelicans, play as grunts and hunters, dual wielding Assault rifles and energy swords..

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Why not?

cedar surge
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You can't handle the recoil of two weapons that require the use of two hands

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Its not like the smg where they are small

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They are big weapons that require too hands to keep steady

slim thorn
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Is there any AR weapon that got less recoil?

carmine sleet
slim thorn
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Or maybe at a caliber of SMG for recoil.

cedar surge
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Tge three main rifles are the BR AR and DMR

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They got kickback

cedar surge
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Also didn't the duel weilding end with odst?

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It didn't have any

humble yacht
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i think its dual wielding postums

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but it's only been in H2 and H3

fair hazel
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Dual wielding with an a. Palmer dual wields pistols though

humble yacht
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wait this is the lore channel?

fair hazel
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Did you see me talk about Palmer and realize that?

humble yacht
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i was still addressing Lance

fair hazel
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I know but did I make you realize

humble yacht
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no

fair hazel
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Palmer and her dual wielding in shadows of reach

humble yacht
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i wonder what the range of Cortana's avatars is

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can she make a hardlight avatar anywhere or does she need to be in range of some sort of holographic generator

west silo
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Isn't she completely physical now?

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Somehow

humble yacht
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no

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i think she exists in the domain

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but thanks to forerunner hardlight technology, she can generate hardlight avatars that can interact with the physical world

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the question is whether she can manifest anywhere or does she need some forerunner tech nearby

ocean ibex
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Do we know where maethrillian is

humble yacht
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no

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well

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we don't have exact coordinates

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iirc the book said it's near the center of the galaxy

versed helm
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so i just got the cutscene with ghost lady and didact

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in halo 4 and i have no clue what that was just about

west silo
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Well yeah

versed helm
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so didact wanted to kill humans ages ago so they imprisoned him?

slim thorn
deep pewter
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Sounds like you need to rewatch it

versed helm
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whats the cutscene called?

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ill rewatch it

west silo
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Nah he's right

slim thorn
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and Didact was a result of being infected by Logic Plague by the gravemind

west silo
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The cutscene expects you to read the book

versed helm
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oh 😦

slim thorn
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What's the book it references to?

west silo
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Crytum

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Primordium

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Slientium

humble yacht
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The cutscene doesn't require you read the novels

versed helm
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whats the ghost lady name?

humble yacht
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it gives the bare minimum context

versed helm
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so i can find the cutscene to rewatch it

humble yacht
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she's the Librarian

west silo
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His wife

versed helm
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how did didact escape?

humble yacht
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chief let him out

versed helm
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how?

humble yacht
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did you play H4?

versed helm
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im during halo 4 now

deep pewter
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You literally watch him do it

versed helm
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i just met librarian

west silo
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Remember the signal for infinity?

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That's how

humble yacht
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you might need to pay more attention

west silo
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He was tricking you

versed helm
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signal for infinity?

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who was tricking who?

humble yacht
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🤦‍♂️

gilded mason
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How long ago did you start H4?

slim thorn
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Chief accidentally freed the Cryptum as Didact is exploiting Infinity's signal.

versed helm
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yesterday

gilded mason
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Oh dear

west silo
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The communications thing?

versed helm
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i have no clue what you just said @slim thorn

slim thorn
versed helm
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halo 4 yes

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played 3 months ago

gilded mason
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...Huh.

slim thorn
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Yeah. Didact exploit the COMs between 117 and Infinity

gilded mason
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It was fairly explicit.

versed helm
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who is infinity?

west silo
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Did you skip a cutscene?

slim thorn
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UNSC Infinity

versed helm
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i hope not

west silo
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Yep

versed helm
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OH

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wait maybe i got it

humble yacht
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starting to think this may be a poor attempt at trolling

gilded mason
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Feels like it

slim thorn
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Or maybe he's just skipping it

versed helm
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but why did didact wait this long?

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and not do it earlier when chief went to those planets for flood.

slim thorn
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No visitors for over hundreds of years

west silo
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He had no way else?

versed helm
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oh ok

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i think i gets it

slim thorn
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I think you should understand the story while watching the cutscenes

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Rather than just woo woo and waiting for it to be done

versed helm
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i was

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but what i thought was

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u know when the ship they said it was inside the planet

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i thought maybe it managed to get outside quickly

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then it decided to go back in

west silo
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It was

slim thorn
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No, it was outside the Requiem while 117 and Cortana must stop Infinity from entering it or they will be caught by the Gravity Well

versed helm
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who is infinity?

gilded mason
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It was a signal trick by the Didact to make John and Cortana think it was inside.

west silo
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Yep trolling

versed helm
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not trolling

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i forgot who infinity is

west silo
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We just told you

gilded mason
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As said by Cortana several times in-game, it's a big UNSC ship

versed helm
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oh the ship

west silo
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A ship

slim thorn
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I think you need to take a look at every inch of UNSC Starship

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Or perhaps he didn't get much understanding

west silo
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It was literally in your face for a minute straight

gilded mason
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^

west silo
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Like the crash was long

gilded mason
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And if he already met Librarian, he's even been inside it

versed helm
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i forgot the name of the ship thats it...

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also i thought the forerunners greatest enemy was the flood

west silo
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You remember the name of the ship in 3 ?

versed helm
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but librarian said 'you'

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nope

west silo
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The librarian was being nice

gilded mason
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I feel the Librarian saying that was a bit of a mistep

west silo
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It was obviously a lie

versed helm
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because then they show pictures of a black goo and dna

west silo
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True

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Promethus had also came out that same year

versed helm
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are they related/inspired in any way?

west silo
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Nope

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Just a coincidence

slim thorn
versed helm
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the forerunner were played by the flood?

west silo
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Less of a war

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More like a slaughterhouse

versed helm
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i thought forerunners killed themselves just to get rid of flood?

west silo
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Yes

slim thorn
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Ye, the forerunner thinks that human has a cure for the flood, but in reality the Flood withdraws to make Forerunners think.

west silo
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That's not considered a win

versed helm
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(which they didnt even get rid of)

slim thorn
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Triggering human-forerunner war

west silo
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And the humans got burned

versed helm
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wait a sec... couldn't the forerunners just do to themselves whatever they did to didact to survive?

slim thorn
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and devolved as a punishment

west silo
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The didact isn't immune

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Only to the composer

versed helm
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but he survived the forerunner killeveryonetogetridofflood thing

slim thorn
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Didact's authority on the military was high, akin to UNSC's Fleet Admiral.

west silo
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Yes

slim thorn
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That's because he was imprisoned inside Shield World.

versed helm
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and rest of forerunners are dead

west silo
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Because he was in a cryptum

slim thorn
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and Shield World basically shields everyone from the Halo Array.

versed helm
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they should have improsoned themselves in a shield world to survive?

slim thorn
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The Forerunners doesn't have time for that

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They were on desperate defenses

west silo
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A cryptum locks a person out of time thus making them immune to the halo effect

slim thorn
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Not just a cryptum but anyone living inside the Shield World will be also immune

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Cryptum was only a prison

versed helm
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hmm they spent a thousand lifetimes making chief but couldn't spare a few hours to think about how to survive the flood.. they dumb.

west silo
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No remember requiem wasn't in slipspace

slim thorn
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.....

west silo
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That's why the cryptum protected him

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It's funny because even a halo uses time as a defense

slim thorn
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Does anyone know how fast the Halo Array can fire?

humble yacht
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superluminal

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that means faster than the speed of light

slim thorn
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No exact speed was recorded, isn't it?

humble yacht
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technically the pulse fires so fast, it can be seen in the past

west silo
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That scene was wack

carmine sleet
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Basically it's at the point where it's too fast to care about how fast it fires

west silo
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I 've already fired the halo somewhere

slim thorn
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There's only 1 mystery left, the crew of Everest along with the Commander of Third Fleet

west silo
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Dead

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Maybe coles ship escaped

slim thorn
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Is it possible for them to sleep inside Cryopods?

west silo
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But then that also means the crew also decided to abandon the unsc too?

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How many of them would be willing to leave the rest of the unsc to die?

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There would probably be some disagreement aboard

slim thorn
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Unless the Ship got a Shipboard AI that issues an order to have the ship out of slipspace

west silo
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Eh?

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As in entire slipspace?

slim thorn
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Err I mean if Everest got an AI housing it. It will be weird to keep the ship stays at slipspace for a long time.

west silo
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Well they have to exit somewhere

slim thorn
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Let alone they even didn't raise a distress call

west silo
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Then again ships can probably go months in slipspace

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That's what cryo is for

slim thorn
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SoF can remain operational for 28 years

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Only essential crew are awaken from time to time for routine maintenance

ocean ibex
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Theoretically a halo array’s light could be seen from other galaxies in a couple million years

obtuse crow
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Is slipspace safe from the halo array?

cedar surge
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No

humble yacht
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maybe

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wait, it has to be

cedar surge
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If slipspace was safe couldn't havecthe flood fleets just escapped to it

humble yacht
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the only reason chief survived H3 is because he made it through the portal before the pulse reached him

cedar surge
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Isn't the pulse instant

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Or near

obtuse crow
cedar surge
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The flood had trillions of ships under their control

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They knew slipspace

stark hemlock
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flood be like

obtuse crow
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Hmmm

dire sparrow
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Hmmm

ocean ibex
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It is safe, the halo array’s beam has no affect over slispace

humble yacht
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But

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Star roads were destroyed by halos. Where did star roads exist?

cedar surge
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Wait what?

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Didn't they get destroyed while destrouing the greater ark

humble yacht
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No

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Star roads were made of neural physics so they got murked by the halos

quiet hemlock
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what is the best level in halo 3 odst

humble yacht
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Not Mombasa streets

quiet hemlock
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im planning on building a new mombasa diorama out of lego from halo 3 odst or halo 2

cedar surge
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I think maybe Dutch's level? Where he is fighting the covenant in a wartjog and the space elevator falls down

quiet hemlock
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that one is pretty cool

ocean ibex
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All precursor constructs and structures were destroyed

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There is no evidence of their existence

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I have no idea how a few people at oni even know what they were

slim thorn
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The only thing UNSC have left is at Zeta Halo

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I'm sure Zeta halo houses files regaring Precursor

humble yacht
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Well, they have reach again. Sort of

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Also rossbach’s world, as far as we know

cedar surge
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Well yea they reclaimed reach for 10 to 30 minutes before cottsna took it away from them

versed helm
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how tf does cortana come back in 5?

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im not gonna play it any time soon until it comes to pc.

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so if its possible explained in a spoilers but no major spoilers way

strange sable
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in halo 5 she comes back ||as a rampant AI|| (cortana spoilers) due to some techy techy forerunner malarkey

ocean ibex
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You cant really explain her return without spoiling anything

strange sable
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and it's honestly not v memorable

cedar surge
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Forerunner magic

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I'm pretty sure how she came back got explained in a comic

ocean ibex
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Meh, halo 5’s story was a complete mess

west silo
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It was poorly executed

strange sable
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quite

west silo
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Cortana reveal was wayyy to early

strange sable
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truuuuu

west silo
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I was like already?

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The second mission?

strange sable
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Juul Pod Madame should have been around for at least like half the story, not just a single cutscene

fast osprey
west silo
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And the locke and chief thing was just

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Pathic

fast osprey
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Halo 5 would've been decent without fireteam osiris

strange sable
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blue team would have slaughtered osiris

west silo
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It was nothing like the marketing suggested

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Nah osiris was okay

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It's just too much osiris

fast osprey
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Buck was the only good one in my opinion

strange sable
west silo
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In a chief centred game

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Imagine halo 2 with there only being 2 chief missions

fast osprey
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Yea

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I geusd

strange sable
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there should have been less osiris, and more focus on the reasoning behind portraying chief as a terrorist to the public

fast osprey
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Idk the characters of osiris just get on my nerves a lil

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Other than that they're okay

west silo
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They actually threw out the terrorist chief plot line

strange sable
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which mad sucks

unique rune
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I'm pretty sure how she came back got explained in a comic
Dominion Splinter kinda explained it.
Mostly what she did after getting to Genesis and into the Domain though.

Most of what you need to know is stated in the game.
Mantle's Approach wreckage exits slipspace near Genesis, somehow Cortana found her way into the Domain, etc.

fast osprey
west silo
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The didact should have been the baddie

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It was literally the build up of 4

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But it was wasted

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Like jul

fast osprey
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Yea

strange sable
west silo
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Actually he died in a comic

unique rune
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But Tartarus died in one game

west silo
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He wasn't really important

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Like at all

strange sable
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F

gilded mason
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I miss him everyday.

ocean ibex
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Big monke Tartarus

fast osprey
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F

slim thorn
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The Mohawk Tartarus

west silo
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Actually a lot of halo villians die in a single game?

fast osprey
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He was harambes second coming

west silo
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All without one dimensional characters

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Mercy and regret

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Tartar sauce

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The heretic

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The gravemind was kinda killed in 2

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And the didact

versed helm
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how tf is chief saved?

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when he blows up a nuke with his hand

slim thorn
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Cortana uses some sort of shielding

versed helm
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how can cortana touch chief?

gilded mason
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Hardlight

stable flower
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The little tiny Cortanas touched Didact so I believe she did something like that

west silo
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Cortana used the hardlight on the bridge

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Any ways wasn't cortana's chip destroyed?

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Crushed by the didact?

versed helm
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but how can cortana feel it

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me reading the wiki just says it should be just like objects

west silo
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She could?

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She just touched him

versed helm
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m a g i c

slim thorn
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Her chip was like... digitized

versed helm
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what?

west silo
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He destroyed the terminal she was in

versed helm
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oh

west silo
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That was made of hardlight

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Downloading her in or something

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I have no idea how she survived

versed helm
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and im gonna assume she turned into an actual person in 5

west silo
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No

versed helm
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cuz the librarian ghost lady was saying the thing was made to make ai into people and people into ai

west silo
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She's just an immortal evil ai now

versed helm
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the cortana at the end of halo 4

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was that a good cortana?

west silo
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Yes

versed helm
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or was that bad cortana acting nice?

west silo
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The one in 5 is probably rampant

versed helm
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i might just not watch 5 then at least for a few years

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4 was ok ending

west silo
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Its hinted in a comic

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Dominion splinter

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That has here rampant selves tricking the warden into accessing the domain

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How did they distract him ?

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The same way halsey outsmarted a forerunner contender class ai
Plot

humble yacht
#

one fragment talked to Warden while the others snuck by

#

that's like subterfuge 101

west silo
#

That's something you'd see in comedy sketch

cedar surge
#

So a forerunner AI could only focus on one thing

west silo
#

Wouldn't any unsc ai be able to outsmart a forerunner ai if that's the case?

cedar surge
#

BB talking to cortana while behind her Roland is bringing up his hammer

west silo
#

Halo 6 ending leaked

humble yacht
#

well, cortana is an AI specializing in intrusion

#

also, it's worth noting that even the Didact referred to her as an "evolved ancilla"

west silo
#

That's weird?

humble yacht
#

which seems to suggest that to the Didact, Cortana was special even among all the AI he had encountered. And he knew about MB

west silo
#

Since I doubt shes better than a monitor

humble yacht
#

the monitors weren't technically AI

west silo
#

Which is the forerunners version of a pc

#

They were

humble yacht
#

they weren't

#

they were composed humans/forerunners

west silo
#

People could just be turned into monitors

#

Not all of them were humans or forerunners

humble yacht
#

both Cortana and the Warden considered the Composed to not be true Created

west silo
#

Do they call monitors that?

#

Prometheans knights obviously don't count

humble yacht
#

it's the same principle

#

the monitors for the halos were all composed, as far as we know

west silo
#

Do they call monitors or hint at them?

humble yacht
#

Tragic Solitude was a forerunner who composed himself into a monitor for the ark

#

Exuberant Witness is unknown

west silo
#

Because most people only think knights when they hear composed

#

Yeah wanted to be come an ai

jolly furnace
#

Forerunners had many ways to make AI and Monitors

west silo
#

And the composer was a recent invention

humble yacht
#

not that recent

west silo
#

Wasn't it also regarded as failed

humble yacht
#

it was a failure at trying to cure people of Flood infection

jolly furnace
#

Forerunners warriors also had a custom of preserving the last essences of dead foes for study and interrogation and preservation

#

Uggghhhhh

#

Like seriously let the dead rest

humble yacht
#

also, "evolved" doesn't necessarily mean strong

west silo
#

She has emotions?

humble yacht
#

so just because didact called her evolved doesn't mean he's saying she could 1v1 a forerunner AI

west silo
#

Every ai has that

#

Or feelings?

humble yacht
#

Dumb AIs don't have real emotions

#

at most, they simulate emotion

#

Smart AI, on the other hand, do have emotions (if they want to)

west silo
#

Forerunners were probably beyond dumb ai

humble yacht
#

well

west silo
#

Bornsteller at age 12

humble yacht
#

I doubt a Forerunner's armor ancilla had the capacity for emotion

west silo
#

Had a ai that was basically his version of cortana

#

A blue lady

humble yacht
#

imagine if Didact's armor just decided not to work because it was angry

west silo
#

Yes they did

#

Have you read cryptum?

humble yacht
#

why don't you reference the section where a forerunner's armor AI displayed emotion

jolly furnace
#

Yah I don;t get why he called her an evolved ancilla - Forerunner ancilla were far beyond her capabilities

west silo
#

I don't really have the book on me

#

Then again the ai was the librarians

#

Because she was manipulating him

#

He did get another ai
But she didn't really talk because she didn't know how to help him

obsidian thistle
#

Oh hey I think I re-found (as I knew they existed and lost the source) one of the most "out there" and obvious "non-canon" Halo things ever. xD

#

The two Cyclops rebuild sets from 2016. xD

west silo
#

Dear god

#

What is that monstrosity

obsidian thistle
#

They have no name xD

west silo
#

Man you can tell they regret building that

obsidian thistle
#

I personally love them xD

unique rune
#

Someone sure got paid for making those.
Whatever they are.

obsidian thistle
#

Halo needs more Walkers. (A guilty pleasure from Star Wars that is)

cedar surge
#

At least it ain't the unsc walker that looks like it was made in space engineers

#

Wait they actually call it chicken walker

obsidian thistle
#

Fun fact thats the only "rebuild" with a name. Making it the only rebuild to be potentially canon aha. (I'd say its ambiguous atm however)

cedar surge
#

If grunt goblins get to get in the chicken walker should also get in

west silo
#

That's looks pretty unsafe

#

Goblins are cool

cedar surge
#

Yea

#

But they look like grunts

west silo
#

Not really

#

More like grunts

cedar surge
#

I like walkers

#

More walkers like the mantis please

west silo
#

Every one loves walkers

cedar surge
#

Cept boring peoplr

west silo
#

People who don't like metal gears

cedar surge
#

Man the colossus is absolutely massive

west silo
#

What's not to love about nuclear death machines

cedar surge
#

Its the largest ground vehicle in the entire unsc

west silo
#

It's not as big as I thought it was

#

Nope

#

The mantis in 4

cedar surge
#

You saw its blitz card right?

west silo
#

Is wayyyyy bigger

cedar surge
#

Oh

#

Wait

#

Are we talking about the same thing?

west silo
#

There is a mega mantis in 4

cedar surge
#

I was talking about the one in HW

west silo
#

I know

cedar surge
#

Yes the mega mantis

#

I want to see it in action

#

Like in a huge battle

west silo
#

Probably not canon

#

Or a technical error

cedar surge
#

Mega mantis v scarab please?

obsidian thistle
#

The Colossus?

cedar surge
#

Yea

west silo
#

HW2

cedar surge
#

The one in halo wars 2

obsidian thistle
#

The Colossus is canon

west silo
#

The mega mantis is not

obsidian thistle
#

Oh that is canon also

west silo
#

From 4

cedar surge
#

No he talking about mega Mantis

west silo
#

Really ?

cedar surge
#

Yea

obsidian thistle
cedar surge
#

It got specs

west silo
#

Holy hell

#

It's actually called the mega mantis!!!!!

#

Why was this bad boy not in HW2?

cedar surge
#

Yep

#

Too similar or not distinct enough I guess

obsidian thistle
#

Cause the Colossus be cooler

west silo
#

Nah

cedar surge
#

I want to see a mech battle between unsc and banished forces

west silo
#

The mantis is wayyy cooler

cedar surge
#

Full on brawl

west silo
#

The banished have some neat mechs

#

Especially the skitters

obsidian thistle
#

I like the Breacher Exosuit the banished have.

cedar surge
#

I like most HW2 banished stuff

west silo
#

Wasn't that a mega construcx?

cedar surge
#

They got some awesome stuff

#

I can't wait for a lot of those units to be used in infinite

west silo
#

Hopefully

#

There in

obsidian thistle
#

Yup. I am a supporter of Mega Construx lore. 😉

west silo
#

Nice

cedar surge
#

Mega construx is like a lifeline to any infinite stuff

west silo
#

Yeah

#

It's both good and slightly sad

#

Because we have nothing concrete

unique rune
#

Why was this bad boy not in HW2?
I mean... going off the designation of the Colossus... it kinda is.
In a way.

cedar surge
#

I think we are getting desperate for any lore

west silo
#

All the water is gone

obsidian thistle
#

I hope we see some of Hyperius soon. 😄

cedar surge
#

Oh yea

#

Forgot about that guy

west silo
#

We really don't have anything about that guy

#

Besides Palmer helmet

#

And locke

#

Oh boi

obsidian thistle
#

No Palmer helmet.

cedar surge
#

You think disruptors are made specifically to kill Spartans?

obsidian thistle
#

That was a misconception

cedar surge
#

Its Locke helmet

west silo
#

Oh

#

Well am still upset about it

obsidian thistle
#

I'll stick to saying "Hunter helmet" for now.

west silo
#

Yeah

cedar surge
#

Plus it could be just another Spartan but its a specific helmet for a specific character

obsidian thistle
#

Nothing says Locke atm bar familiarity.

west silo
#

It's smells like another Jul situation

cedar surge
#

Heroic sacrifice in the first 5 minutes while saying he respects chief

west silo
#

Please nooooo

#

Stop

#

All the while chief is being cool

#

So is onyx okay?

#

Last I heard it just went into slipspace

cedar surge
#

Yea

#

Unsc might have won

#

Wait

#

Didn't the unsc win and then went into slipspace?

gilded mason
#

You mean the UNSC and SoS. 😉

cedar surge
#

Or was that the first book

gilded mason
#

It went into slispace at the end of Legacy, yes

cedar surge
#

The SoS is like the classmate that did all the work but lets the unsc have some if the credit

gilded mason
#

lol

west silo
#

Its kinda funny that there just kicking back

#

While the entire galaxy is basically getting enslaved

#

Doesn't onyx have some forerunner ships in it?

gilded mason
#

I think so?

cedar surge
#

You think cortana is hunting for shield worlds?

west silo
#

No clue

cedar surge
#

Since a bunch of them have forerunner ships

west silo
#

Maybe to reactivate still dormant guardians?

#

They can't make her too powerful

#

Remember we need a realistic way to defeat her

cedar surge
#

Forerunner mcguffin vs badly introduced villain

west silo
#

They cancel each other out

#

The universe dies as a result

#

See mass effect 3

cedar surge
#

Quest started:the Flood always wins

west silo
#

Even when they lose

#

So did keyes help halsey scout out Spartan cadets?

#

Because it's in the fall of reach animation

#

And I don't remember if that was in the book

unique rune
#

I'm pretty sure Keyes accompanied her on the visit to Eridanus II in the novel.

west silo
#

Okay

#

Did he know about the whole kidnapping kids thing?

gilded mason
#

Nah, Halsey kept it secret from him. Partly because she wanted to give him deniability.

stable flower
#

Even in a top-secret organization like ONI, you've gotta keep secrets from certain people.

west silo
#

Am pretty sure bringing your husband to spy on kids at a school on another planet is pretty sus

versed helm
#

Nah they were just visiting lol

#

And been in the right place at the right time lol

west silo
#

But is hunt the truth still canon tho?

#

Because 5 threw everything including the sink outside

versed helm
#

Good question

west silo
#

5 just doesn't make sense with hunt the truth canon?

#

In HTH he's already seen as gone rogue

#

But in 5 its all good

#

He just wants his blue lady back

#

And the unsc doesn't like that

fair hazel
#

Uh no, it makes perfect sense. Did you not even listen to all of it?

west silo
#

Oni are jerks?

#

Always one step a head of you

#

Unless your in kilo 5 trilogy were they just become stupid?

fair hazel
#

He's fine and wasn't actually even declared rogue

versed helm
#

Well smart AI have a seven year life span before they’re terminated

west silo
#

Yes

versed helm
#

The reason why the UNSC wanted to terminate cortana was because she was pass seven years life span I believe

west silo
#

It's like that was one of the plot points of the game

#

😝

#

But yes 7 years and an ai goes crazy

cedar surge
#

Cept they kept a AI in stasis past her lifespan because she pleaded

thorny wren
#

Daily lore fact

#

The main reason why the forerunners were able to fire the halo rings was because offensivebias held back a large flood attack buying enough time for the rings to be lit

west silo
#

So you guys think baston will make an appearance in infinite?

#

Or a book

terse lava
#

Think likely a book

west silo
#

I also wonder if spark will return in game

#

Or if he'll only be stuck in the EU

#

Him meeting chief again would be pretty interesting

thorny wren
#

He killed Johnson He doesn’t deserve to come back

west silo
#

Too late

#

10 years too late

cedar surge
#

Baston?

west silo
#

A place in 5

cedar surge
#

On genesis?

west silo
#

And is mentioned in halo renegades

#

Nope

#

Its somewhere

cedar surge
#

I only remember sanghellios meridian and genesis

#

For 5

west silo
#

It was in an audio log in 5

#

On the genesis level

#

It's pretty mysterious

#

And it's hinted that forerunners might be there

#

Living

cedar surge
#

Didn't some of Jul covenant think they were in some heaven when they got to genesis?

west silo
#

Maybe

#

Soo are all elites in the banished basically mercenaries?

#

Because I can't think of another reason elites would join the banished

#

A largely brute faction

#

Then again atriox used talk no justu to convince both a team of silent shadows and a ship master that was trying to kill him during the covenant war to join him

cedar surge
#

Half his stats are in charisma

#

And who can blame them

#

He is the best looking brute since reach

gilded mason
#

Castor is pretty hot

#

And he has nice, big ol' tusks.

west silo
#

Isn't his face like you know not in the best shape?

gilded mason
west silo
#

Could be worse

cedar surge
#

It could've been halo reach brute

west silo
#

Remembers the brute in envoy

#

So was let's backstory retconed?

#

Because in the game he's apparently hired by atriox

#

While in the comic he joined atriox's banished after being persuaded

gilded mason
#

It could be considered being "hired" in the comic

west silo
#

So does that mean that the silent shadow were also "hired" as well

gilded mason
#

I dunno lol

west silo
#

Every one in the comic seems to have different characters from there game counterparts

#

I literally called decimus another name because he came off as an entirely different character

cedar surge
#

Book Atriox,comic atriox,and game Atriox might as well be different characters

terse lava
#

why is the first thing I see in here Ostral complimenting Castor's tusks?

gilded mason
#

😉

#

I like tusks.

terse lava
#

...yeah, you're right. I should be used to this by now

gilded mason
#

That's the spirit. 👌

analog frigate
#

ayo mayo

hollow flume
#

I want to be as tall as kurt

#

@terse lava I can't help but read your lines with an elite voice in my head

versed helm
#

Everybody wants to be as tall as Kurt

stark kettle
#

n

neat cypress
#

what was master chief doing onboard the PoA? how did he end up there after the fall of reach

terse lava
#

that's where he and the other spartan IIs were stationed as part of Operation: Red Flag. Once Reach was attacked, Keyes was forced to return to the planet to help.

obsidian thistle
ocean ibex
#

Anyone know the reason why the covenant can’t just, you know, go around UNSC fleets?

humble yacht
#

because they don't want to

slim thorn
#

Their battle doctrine

#

They just want to smash any UNSC ships that gets in their way

eternal vigil
#

mhm

#

its a genocide

#

they're hellbent on killing every last human there is

west silo
#

Don't the covenant usually do that?

#

Kill the fleet in the space

#

Then massacre everyone left on the planet?

cedar surge
#

I mean that's basically what they did every time

#

Except the rarevtimes where the unsc have enough forces go push em bacj

#

Like at meridian tribute and mars

west silo
#

And Luna

#

Wait a minute when the covenant glassed regrets position in 2 did they know he was there or that chief was there?

#

Like how did they know he died so fast?

humble yacht
#

good question

west silo
#

Was his ship that glassed the area?

cedar surge
#

Well I assume truth knew

#

Because even if the chief died it would ensure regret was dead

#

Like how mercy's chair lasers were deactivated

humble yacht
#

truth was looking for an excuse to get rid of regret, anyway

west silo
#

Isn't it funny that the all the main villians of halo are giant control freaks

#

The gravemind
The prophets , especially truth
The didact
The precursors
Even atriox

humble yacht
#

Most halo villains are lawful evil

#

except the gravemind

west silo
#

He's just chaotic

humble yacht
#

the precursors were not control freaks

#

they were either neutral or chaotic

#

possible true neutral

west silo
#

Didn't they get corrupted because they got angry there creations attacked them?

#

Despite the fact there immortal

humble yacht
#

i mean, at that point they aren't really precursors anymore

#

they're flood

west silo
#

And death means nothing to them

#

Also its implied that they may have exterminated the other candidates for the mantle because they didn't live up to standards

#

And the forerunners were just the latest victims on the list

humble yacht
#

that was just the forerunners' fears

west silo
#

Its never proven or disproven

humble yacht
#

they struck first out of that fear, but there is nothing to say that the precursors would have actually destroyed them

west silo
#

Well probably never know

#

And that's probably a pretty good thing

#

One of the mysteries of the past

teal echo
#

hello!

west silo
#

What

teal echo
#

hi

#

it's me

#

nobody knows me

#

but whatever

plush niche
#

Should I use spoiler tags when I talk in here?

humble yacht
#

not necessary

teal echo
#

I don't know what a spoiler tag is

plush niche
#

||this||

teal echo
#

huh

#

so whats up?

#

cool

fair hazel
#

Ahhhhhhhhhh! The newest ONI Intel thing!

teal echo
#

that's always fun

cedar surge
#

Oh yea

fair hazel
cedar surge
#

Halo 4 with a picture of halo 3

humble yacht
#

it recaps the end of H3 first

fair hazel
#

This got me like, feeling excitement and worry and all of that ins ide

#

Maybe chills I dont know

#

Certainly excitement

teal echo
#

hello

west silo
#

I hope the comms guy is alright

#

The Guardian pulse going off and him in a shuttle did not sound good

cedar surge
#

When has anything involving a guardian ever ended well

west silo
#

That's honestly horribly true

#

You know after watching some gameplay of 4 and the earlier games I totally understand that 4 feels more like a reboot

#

Art style wise

#

The weapons on the dawn have completely different designs

The dawn itself is a completely different ship

The covenant look uglier for some reason

Chief's armor changes for no reason

And unsc ships look really different

#

The forerunner stuff to me is ok

humble yacht
#

The Infinity doesn't look that different from a bigger PoA

cedar surge
#

Yea the infinity is the most unsc looking post war ship

#

Autumn class doesn't count since its just the halcyon Cept bigger

#

But stuff like the vindication and Posiden

#

And the anlace class is the worst offender

west silo
#

The infinity looks like a giant railgun

cedar surge
#

Uh

#

Well

#

That's like 2/3rds of the entire unsc fleet

#

Looking like giant guns

west silo
#

Mostly frigates

#

Those are the only ones really

stable flower
#

Infinity looks smaller in Halo 4's Shutdown level

humble yacht
#

probably just a perspective thing

west silo
#

Well so does the mantles approach

ocean ibex
#

All unsc ships look like foot long subs

cedar surge
#

Maybe a candy bar

unique rune
#

Picked up a copy of the Walmart edition of SoR today.
Might read it over the coming holiday.

cedar surge
#

Oh ONI archives mentioned operation Wolfe

#

Along with two other i don't recognize

#

Wolfe is what the operation blue team is doing in SoR s called

humble yacht
#

i can't imagine ONI was aware of what operation wolfe entailed

#

considering that Lasky didn't

cedar surge
#

They let the operation happen without really knowing what it was about

#

They must put a lot of trust in halsey

humble yacht
#

i mean

#

how they gonna stop her? postums

#

ONI is probably a shell of its former self

#

even Chief was like "what's left of ONI"

#

also, I imagine that ONI is aware that Halsey's connection to Cortana makes her uniquely suited to understanding how best to try and beat her

cedar surge
#

They were also talking about "her" in the second part. Think its a new AI?

#

And since that part was before the pulse that meant they were planning it for a while

humble yacht
#

I think "her" is referring to that AI who went into stasis to stop progression of rampancy

#

i think ONI is studying her potentially for developing a cure for rampancy or something

cedar surge
#

It was Sadie right

humble yacht
#

huh?

#

Sadie is human

cedar surge
#

Could have sworn that AI had the same name

west silo
#

Yeah Sadie was put in stasis

#

But I don't think it's her

full citrus
#

I am pretty sure they mention the AI gabriela in the audio thing they mentioned the serial number

humble yacht
#

can't find anything about an AI named sadie

#

the AI in stasis is named Iona

#

please don't tell me you thought her name was sadie because they're both black

west silo
#

Really Dude?

#

Why?

#

No it's because sadie was said to be put into stasis in saints testimony

#

I don't even know who iona is

#

Who the hell is that

humble yacht
#

She's an AI who was put into stasis to stop rampancy from getting worse

west silo
#

Then no

cedar surge
#

What no

#

I just thought her name sadie

#

I didn't remember the name Iona

humble yacht
#

that was Iona

#

-_-"

west silo
#

Really?

#

Then yes then

#

So what happened to Sadie?

humble yacht
#

she works for ONI as Vergil's handler

cedar surge
#

She is on the infinity I think

#

Alpha nine took her with them in bad blood

west silo
#

Oh lord I mixed them up

cedar surge
#

And Vergil followed

humble yacht
#

smh

west silo
#

Sadie is the human from odst

cedar surge
#

Yea I absolutely did not Remeber Iona

west silo
#

Lona is the ai from bloodlines

humble yacht
#

I didn't remember Iona's name but I knew it wasn't sadie

#

Sadie is human

west silo
#

I just remembered

#

It's because I haven't read that comic in a long while

#

And sadie is easier to remember

#

Yep the ai is probably lona

cedar surge
#

Iona was with black team when they crashed onto a forerunner testing facility right

#

Should probably give it a reread

west silo
#

Yeah

#

She was the ai for the ship

#

So was here donner black?
Or did she just pick that avatar?

humble yacht
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

west silo
#

Its a mystery

humble yacht
#

i don't think it really matters

west silo
#

Yeah was just curious

#

Since ai can basically be anything they want

#

And don't have memories of there donners

humble yacht
#

not true

#

they do have memories

#

the AI made from FERO's brain remembered how she died

west silo
#

Isn't that regarded as an unusual thing?

#

Or not very common

humble yacht
#

pretty sure cortana shared some of halsey's memories early on, too

carmine sleet
#

Pretty sure most Smart AI have memories of who they were made from

west silo
#

Well cortana is special

humble yacht
#

Black Box shared his donor's personal distaste for humans

cedar surge
#

Think the SoS might start making smart AI of their own? Its been seen how effective they are and they are allies of the unsc

#

Before the created thing

humble yacht
#

doubt it

#

ok so to ONI vid does mention Gabriella's service number so it's her after all

junior dome
#

Who is Gabriella

humble yacht
#

the Outpost Discovery AI

junior dome
#

Oh, is she canon?

west silo
#

Yes

junior dome
#

How is Outpost Discovery canon? What is the lore behind it?

west silo
#

It's literally the point of the comic lone wolf

junior dome
#

What is that

west silo
#

A comic

junior dome
#

About

humble yacht
#

a wolf who's alone

junior dome
#

Noble 6 then

west silo
#

The plot is that linda is sent to retrieve Gabriela

#

Because she has a of earth's history or something

junior dome
#

How can a canonical AI exist in 2019

west silo
#

It doesn't

#

Its in universe post war

cedar surge
#

She just has all of war the history

junior dome
#

Is she a smart AI

west silo
#

Little before 5

#

Yes

cedar surge
#

Yes

junior dome
#

Then she's been terminated by now?

west silo
#

No

junior dome
#

Why

west silo
#

Probably in stasis

junior dome
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When was she made

humble yacht
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watch the ONI drop

west silo
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Because not all ais are evil

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Or traitors

junior dome
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Weird how Roland wasnt in SOR

west silo
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He was removed from control

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Of the ship

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Systems

humble yacht
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says who?

junior dome
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Does he still do stuff

west silo
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Well its implied

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The unsc is starting to use dumb ais now

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Where ever they can

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Because you know they don't really care

junior dome
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So Roland is gone

west silo
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Nah

ocean ibex
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Sort of

humble yacht
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he wasn't gone in Bad Blood

west silo
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He's just somewhere

junior dome
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Was Serina from the SOF a smart AI?

ocean ibex
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He still has some control over infinity

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Yes she was

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She was just an earlier generation

west silo
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Bad blood is before shadows

humble yacht
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all ship-board AI are smart AI

west silo
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Yes

humble yacht
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Dumb AI aren't smart enough to run ships

junior dome
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When does Bad Blood take place

west silo
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But the unsc are using dumb ais now

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That's what they are doing now

ocean ibex
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They don’t even allow Spartans to run dumb ai’s on the field

west silo
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Because smart ais are a threat

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Now

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It's why the gen 3 armors don't even have ais

humble yacht
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But Roland explicitly refused the Created

west silo
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Yeah

junior dome
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What was it that Halsey wanted Blue Team to retrieve in SoR?

gilded mason
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Yup. It was confirmed in SoR that absolutely no Smart AI are in use anymore.

west silo
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It's not because the unsc are evil

junior dome
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And why does the ONI video released today mention Operation Wolfe